Jack - FBI Raids Michael Cohen

Episode Date: April 16, 2018

MAIN - This week, Jaleesa discusses a potential Trump lovechild, Jordan covers a guy named Cohen-Watnik, & AG breaks down all the latest on Michael Cohen; plus all the week’s news! We're also joined by the very funny & informed Dallas McLaughlin (Comedy Store, The Kept Faith Podcast)! Enjoy! 

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Hello. And Jolissa Johnson. Hey. And today, we have a very special guest. As you all know, I'm testing catch phrases. And joining us here today is the originator, the author, of Put Some Beans on It. Mr. Dallas McLaughlin. Put some beans on it.

Very good. Hi, Dallas. How are you? I'm good. How are you? I'm so good. I'm glad to have you here. Thank you. If this qualifies me to talk about the investigation, then I'm happy to be along for the ride. Thank you. It does. It absolutely does. Yeah.

Flip the door. Ooh, that's a few catch absolutely. Yeah. The door. Yeah. That's right. Lift the door. Yes. Sorry. All right. Holy hell, guys. This has been a week. I was in DC all week. And the atmosphere there is pretty tense. Yeah. How was that?

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That would be great. We'll keep you posted for the Pallonium Tea Party. So this week, Jelice is going to talk about the $30,000 payment to a Trump door man, who knows he has a Trump that he knows Trump has an illegitimate child. That's a really dumb term, by the way, like illegitimate, like illegitimate rape. Yeah, that word should just not be used for social issues. I'm thinking at this point, it's just a little, you're a legitimate person. You are, yeah.

You've just been really screwed by your circumstances. Like, yes. We're not necessarily bastards are fine. Yeah. That's another one that's probably a little... That word, yeah. You know, I didn't make the rules, guys. No, you didn't.

And that's okay, but you can change the rules, man. Just keep going. Hell yeah. I actually think bastard sounds better than illegitimate child. Yeah, it is a step up. Yes, definitely. Jordan's gonna cover a guy named Wattnick.

Yeah, you answer that? Yep, yep. It should be fun. Cohen-Wattnick. Yep, Cohen-Wattnick. And he hyphenated his name because he got married and I don't know. He needed to separate himself from Cohen.

Yeah. And I'm gonna try to make sense of all of the Michael Cohen news speaking of Cohen. And we'll get into that later, but let's hit the week's news first with just the facts. All right, you guys, Monday, the CEO of Deutsche Bank stepped down, amid money laundering scandals involving 10 billion, not million, billion in Russian money through their New York London and Moscow offices from 2011 to 2015. Weird, that's when Trump was doing business time. The bank has paid nearly $600 million in fines and they never quite got back on track, so their CEO stepped down this week. Also, Monday, the House Judiciary received about a thousand documents relating to a number of issues that were actually due on Thursday, but they didn't get them until Monday. And of course,

Trump tweeted out that he was mad that the FBI missed their deadline. Why are they hiding? Why are they late? What does FBI even mean? What does it stand for? I don't know. They suck female body inspect Fucking baloney investigation fake baloney investors It's so funny how he flips his dick over like a one day overshoot for the deadline of this when he missed his sanctioned deadlines on Russia by Six months seriously not to mention his appointee runs the FBI, but you know, whatever. Or his firing Flynn date. He's late a lot. Yeah, he's, he's, yeah, 18 days late on that. If I was 18 days late, you'd be pregnant.

Yep. And then I might need to go find Michael Cohen so that I could, you know, get somebody to pay me for an abortion. We'll talk about that. We'll talk about that. We'll get to that. Um, I don't know. We'll see. Uh, and maybe that. We'll talk about that. I don't know. We'll see. Maybe Trump will blame Bowditch. He's one of the last remaining

FBI officials that corroborated the Komi memos. So maybe he could blame him for no reason. House Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlott, he announced in March that he had subpoenaed the Department of Justice for this information, relating to quote, charging decisions in the investigation surrounding former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's private email server, potential abuses of the Fisk, that's the court that issues FISA warrants, and the FBI's Office of Professional Responsibility. That's the office that recommended the firing of McCabe. Right. So it's funny that they're all now concerned about the FBI going hard on Hillary, you know.

Mm-hmm. That is one of the things that blows my mind the most is how quickly Trump was like, yeah, that call me guy. He doesn't sit right with me with the way he handled that Hillary thing. But lock her up anyway. Yeah. It's offensive to my memory. It makes no sense.

I know. What does? Then some crazy shit went down Monday. You guys, I was traveling to DC when the FBI rated Michael Cohen's office They also rated his hotel he was staying in a hotel because he was having his house remodeled and And his home Yes, yeah, it's gonna be a fucking hotel stay at the wall door for no big Mueller and Rosenstein referred some criminal evidence to the Southern District of New York, US Attorney. That's name is Berman. And basically the warrant was obtained from a federal judge

to do a no-knock raid. Right. Mueller and Rosenstein presumably turned this over to New York because they felt it was more appropriate than the Mueller investigation looking into it. So news about these raids came out all week, and I'm going to go into it more later in the show. That's what I'm going to try to break down for you in hot notes. Hot notes.

As you can imagine, we need a sound effect for our hot notes section. We need to move Google hot notes and see what we could do is the hot, I don't know, we'll figure it out. Hot stuff song, we can get the rights to that from you in the summer. And we'll just be able to go on for some hot song. Yeah, the rights to that from You know summer Because it has to sound terrible I like that otherwise it otherwise I'm you know

It's too close to the uncanny valley of unfunny valley. It's the only funny valley. Yeah, no one wants to be stuck there No to the uncounty valley of unfunny valley. It's the only valley. Yeah, yeah. No one wants to be stuck there. No. Yeah. As you can imagine, the raid on Cohen really upset Trump despite his thick skin. And despite having met with Mueller just hours before the raid, like total coincidence, right? I heard he was freaking the fuck out.

Yeah. He was fuming, I think, were the words that people were saying. Even more than normal, he used a lot. That's why he's so orange. It's like he's constantly in a sauna. He needs to be regulated by Scott Pruitt at the EPA, because he's so fuming. I like that.

That would be so nice. But he won't, because that's what he does. Not do. And he started floating the idea of firing Rosenstein and firing Mueller. He called the idea of firing Rosenstein and firing Mueller. He called the rate of disgrace. He said the FBI broke in to Cohen's residents, broke in despite having a warrant. And despite Cohen actually saying the FBI was very gracious and polite.

He did. He was like, overall good experience. We'll do it again. He's like someone about to cooperate with you. But that's just coming from here. Five stars, then you open it. As far as these go, nice. Up through worse. We'll do it again very nice like someone about to cooperate if you ask me but that's just coming stars As far as these go nice. Yeah, up and through worse. It was one of the raids. I've ever experienced Yeah, no, he was like they were fine. They were great

Senator Chuck Grassley had something to say about the threats to Rosenstein and the special counsel from the White House And gave a speech on the floor the same day. Jolissa. Do we have a clip of that? Oh, yeah. All right, here we go. Now, if the president is thinking of using this raid to fire special counsel Mueller, or otherwise interfere with the chain of command and the Russia probe, we have one simple message for him. Don't even think about it. We have one simple message for him. Don't even think about it. Special counsel Mueller has uncovered a deep and detailed pattern of Russian interference in our elections.

It has led to several indictments in guilty pleas. It has also led the Trump administration itself to level sanctions against Russian individuals for meddling in our elections. That is proof positive that Marla's investigation is not a so-called witch hunt. We then learned from the New York Times that Trump had indeed tried to fire Mueller last December. But his lawyers talked him out of this. He said, quote, Mueller's investigation

has to be shut down. That's not obstruction or anything. Not at all. And we talked about this in December. There were rumors going around. We were like, he's going to do it. He's not obstruction or anything. Not at all. And we talked about this in December. There were rumors going around. We were like, he's going to do it. He's going to do it. Even Thanksgiving, he was like shut it down by then,

make sure it's done. Yeah. He thought the whole investigation would be done by them. Well, that was, they thought it would be over. But this is him acting to fire Mueller. Yeah. And he had threatened to fire Mueller back in June. We've reported on that already.

But in December, we were in all the new agencies. We're like, there's rumors, we were in all the new agencies were like, there's rumors that he's threatening to fire a muller and the right wing, new nez was like, no, you dumb. No, he did. Direct quote. Yeah. I do.

I direct quote him all the time. Muller's investigation has to be shut down. That's pretty clear. So check this out. Here's me talking about Mueller in December. Also, Trump said he would not fire Mueller, amid rumors that he would do so on the 22nd of December. And we made it through that day and there were no firing. So, Phew.

All right, also, Mueller is looking into potential Trump campaign donations from a Ukrainian billionaire named pin chook Who we will be adding to our fantasy fantasy indictment team. Oh, yeah, he made a $150,000 payment to mr. Trump's foundation and That was a payment for a 20-minute talk that Trump made over Skype to a conference in Kiev $150,000 for a 20-minute, hey, I like your steel, then I cannot lie, I don't know what he said, but it was the 20-minute thing. Apparently, Cohen solicited the contribution and Mueller subpoenaed the Trump organization for these records.

Nice. We'll see what happens. It was announced that Cambridge Analytica, the whistleblower, remember the guy Christopher Wiley with the pink hair? Wiley with the pink hair? That's cute, yeah. Becky with the good hair, I don't know. He's going to testify to Congress, US Congress, and he will sit down with Mueller's team.

Wiley has evidence that Cambridge Analytica sent multiple illegal foreign campaign workers to advise on multiple Republican campaigns, trumps and john bolt and super pack uh... we've been insisting that the gop in congress particularly in particularly in the house new nas and his weirdos uh... that's dumb newness uh... we've been that's a sketch for us now

uh... we've been insisting that they're compromised and I think this is why so Dallas put some beans on it They're complicit in the Russian election interference because they used hacked materials Pyroided by Russians and delivered by foreigners. I don't I don't mind foreigners, but in you know This is just illegal. Yeah, yeah, I. I hate saying that because I feel like I sound like Trump. Yeah, he just outed yourself as a drunk spreeman. We need to build a wall. Well, Trump's the one that muddied that word up. I mean, it was neutral.

I mean, I'd imagine before then. It was. It's what ER at the end that makes it bad. I think the yeah, in word. I don't know. I feel like forens would be even worse. Like the- Like the blacks.

The forens are coming. Yeah, yeah It's a bit bold Forners has always been bad. Westside story. Yeah, Westside story. She goes for Right good point in the band for her. Oh Anyway, I think it's why we might be seeing so many resignations of congressional Republicans. I don't know That's what I think Dallas put why we might be seeing so many resignations of congressional Republicans. I don't know. That's what I think. Dallas, put some beans on it. That sounds like a, that sounds like a, I don't know if I agree.

Yeah, yeah. Put some beans on it. Yeah, it's an endorsement when he does it. This week, Facebook CEO and Booster seat magnate, Mark Zuckerberg testified to Congress. Oh, amazing. And he needed a a booster seat. Did you see the photo? Because he's five, seven.

Is that supposed to be short? I'm five, seven. Yeah, what's wrong with that? I guess when I testified to Congress, I'll need a booster seat. I'm definitely going to need a couple of books. The best part was they were going to use phone books, but they decided that that wasn't modern enough. Yeah, they were going to use Biblesibles but he would have let it spin continuously,

combined with it. But what's sorry, I like it. They were gonna give him a phone book of everyone's information, but he already had it. Oh, I like that. That's good. Hey. What was hilarious and painful was watching him

explain the internets to old people? Yes, that was cute. Oh my gosh. Did you see that? Dude, I thought it was great. In Kennedy's all, so what if I click on no? Am I then in the spaces? Or, I don't know, it was just so far, I just it was great. Yeah, Kennedy's all so what if I click on no am I then in the spaces? Or I don't know it was just so if I just made that up I don't know what he said, but it was I can't even be that dumb. Yeah, it was hilarious

One person was like so what I messaged with someone in WhatsApp Do you get that information and he's like no that's an entirely different platform? It's in crypto data. We don't have he's, no, no, no, that's not my question. Yeah. Do you get the data from what's it? It was just like, yeah, they basically use the hearing to just solve their own computer problems.

Yeah. He was customer support. Yeah, exactly. But you know what, when I'm talking about Tinder, that would have been really awkward for those parents. Now what I really want to know is how do I change my Windows past?

Yeah. Did you see the meme with Ted Cruz and it was him questioning him and he was like, can your platform fake a like on a porn video from a man who actually really does love his wife? Do you see that? No. We've come to a point where I don't know what's true and what's not. That's why I was dead. I almost I almost would have liked him more if he did ask that question. I was going to say mad points for Ted Cruz

if he said that. It would have been great. He is a zodiac. He is a zodiac killer. That's true. And didn't his dad kill Kennedy or something? Yeah. And I killed Tupac.

Just so we're clear. Hell yeah. Oh no. Yeah. Well, I probably shouldn't say that on the pond. You killed two Buck. Well, now I have to edit it out No, no, you now you have to go back in time and kill two bucks. Yeah. Oh, well, yeah, that's you can't draw a red line You're right. I have to just move forward

Then late Tuesday night Rachel Maddo. I don't watch Rachel at all She had an exclusive scoop. This was incredible She and her team got a hold of a couple of letters one letter was from Dana Bente She had an exclusive scoop. This was incredible. She and her team got a hold of a couple of letters. One letter was from Dana Bente. You guys remember Dana Bente? The guy we talked about that was mysteriously fired after having like nine different jobs in the world.

The Virginia guy? Four different jobs under Trump. Yeah, Eastern District of Virginia, and then acting W.A.G. and then acting A.G. It like he moved around, and then he sent him back to the Eastern District of Virginia, and then he was mysteriously pushed out. But then Ray, Christopher Ray hired him to replace Baker

as the general counsel at the FBI. Baker was one of the Komi-5. That's right. General counsel is a lawyer. FBI is... Uh, oh, female body inspectors. Yes, I think you were about to submit some beans on it. I was ready for a

the i and so the letter from bento uh... the this letter from bento was written to the department of justice and it was dated january second of this year saying muller has asked me to come and speak with him and interview with him uh... he said

a bento said i need to go meet with meet with Mueller's team because if I don't, he'll just subpoena me. And I'm sure I'm not a subject or a target of the investigation because Mueller's team told Bente they just wanted to ask him about his time as acting deputy attorney general. Right. When and when he was that, he was overseeing the Russian investigation. He oversaw a lot of the Russian investigation. So interesting. I don't know how to feel about this, but I'm just, I don't know,

because we talked about Bentea a lot and we talked about the Komi five a lot. And there was, I don't know, I'll talk about it in a minute, but there was a second letter that Rachel Maddow got, MSNBC got, I don't know if Rachel got it herself. She's waiting at the mailbox. But she showed this second letter and this was too benty from Bill Prestapp. Bill Prestapp is the assistant director of the FBI's counterintelligence division. And he said, I reviewed your handwritten notes about your phone

conversations with James Comey, and I've determined that they are not classified. Apparently Bente had taken a lot of handwritten notes during a March 30th phone call with James Comey about a troubling conversation he had with President Trump. And the best part is that the handwritten notes are attached to this letter. So we now have Bente's un that the handwritten notes are attached to this letter. So we now have Bente's unclassified handwritten notes, memorializing the call from James Comey. His notes match pretty much exactly what Comey told him about what Trump said and they match what Comey testified to in front of Congress. Oh yeah.

So when you, when you run it up across these, he said, he said types of situations, and you have all this corroboration, not just from Bente and his handwritten notes and the phone calls, but from all of the Komi-5 who corroborated all of these memos and all of the phone calls, Mikaib, for example. You start building a case on leaning toward one side, being more believable, incredible, than the other side, because what's the other guy going to do? Exactly. Do you have tapes?

Lorty. I hope there's tapes. That's why, that's why Komi said that. Like, well, please let there be tapes. Because I am saying what I said. Yeah. And there were mentions of Trump asking Komi in these notes to, quote, lift the cloud.

The cloud, this investigation is a cloud. The p tapes are a cloud. Yeah, yeah. Is that like the past decision The cloud, this investigation is a cloud. The P tapes are a cloud. Yeah, yeah. All of his past decisions for the lead, all of his cloud picks. I think that might be Trump just speaking to his lawyers like the cloud Russia, the lead the cloud. I think he was trying to say if his P was cloudy. There you go. Yeah. I don't know. Call your doctor. Sorry. So we kept asking Komi to lift the cloud, lift the cloud. Another note read, the ask was to get it out, that Trump was not part of the investigation. So that was, now we hear at MSW, we've been talking about the Komi five for a long time.

As I've said, these are the five FBI officials. Komi told about his conversations with the president and his contemporaneous memos and how Trump is picking them off one by one. First there was a baker who I told you about a minute ago, he was the general counsel at the FBI and he was moved to like a human resources the whole or some shit like he just disappeared. Then there was no offense to human resources people. Oh yeah, no, I just like the whole image.

Yeah, that's all the offense in the world. Yeah, I mean, that's be honest. No one likes walking into that building. Fuck you, Susan's amazing. All the offense in the world. Yeah. I mean, that's, be honest. No one likes walking into that building. Fuck you, Susan. Yeah. That's probably Trump's favorite department though. They fire everyone. He just loves human resources.

Yeah, except he is always on her investigations. Human resources level. Then there was Rubicki. He was forced out a couple months back. Then McCabe was fired. My husband, we know that. I'm here to comfort for you. Sorry. The two others were Bodich and Gattis, but we still are waiting on, like Bodich had to testify in the cruise Parkland shooting thing. He got grilled on that, even though Ray was the director

at the time. I'm thinking he's trying to find ways to get rid of him. Gattis, I haven't heard Heidner Harav, but in his testimony, Komi mentioned five or six. We only grabbed onto the five because those were the only ones he named. What seems as though Bente is the fifth beetle, or the sixth one. Yeah, nice. And we have always thought Trump's treatment of Bente

was suspect. We've talked about it a billion times. What position was Bente and again when he had that phone call? He was the acting attorney general, deputy attorney general. Go out. At the time.

So don't lose sight of the fact that Bente will be meeting with Mueller if he hasn't already. And that was in the letter that he wrote to the department of justice saying, hey, I got to go meet with these guys. These letters went out in January. So he could have already sat down with special counsel and handed over all his notes, which he made sure to declassify prior to the meeting. And I wonder who classified them. And if it was an effort to try to keep them under wraps.

Yeah. And also, uh, it's into, you have to start thinking about declassification. You don't have to declassify these notes to give them to Mueller. You have to declassify them to give them to the public. Mm-hmm. Some Mueller knows. Well, not just Mueller,, but he these were going to be released maybe Comey's book, something like that. Oh yeah. Yeah, I have no idea. So, I don't know. Jalus. Put some bees on it. Yeah. Nice. Thank you. Then Wednesday. We're only up to Wednesday now.

Thank you. Then Wednesday. We're only up to Wednesday now. Coons, Booker, Graham and Tillis. That's two and two. It's a Southern group of names ever. It's two and two though. It's two Downs and two Republicans. I mean, we don't hate on Southerners, blankly anymore, right?

We established that. You're right, but I'm going to ask really quickly because I forgot which party is Coons a part of? Booker and Coons are our Democrats. Okay, got it, got it. And Graham and Tola are Republican. Unfortunately, last name is all that it's got it. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he chose it. He did not. Yeah, look her. Yeah, look her. It's bad. That's a bad one. Yeah, with the hard ER on the end there. Yeah, just call him, book a, just call him, book a, and you'll be okay.

So they wrote, no, they began working on legislation to protect special counsel. It's kind of weak sauce, though, because basically it says if Mueller is fired, he would get a 10-day window to seek an expedited judicial review of the firing. Woop-de-shit. Like, how about you can't fire him? I don't understand.

All right, you guys. Then on Wednesday Wednesday Paul Ryan Announce he is not going to seek reelection in November and Everyone rejoiced. Yeah. Oh, yeah Good riddance. Yeah, okay. Are we can I sorry? Yeah. Oh, yeah, I don't know. I don't want to jump in do it I'm not allowed to well, so you have to tell me to you have to say the thing first. Thank you allowed to. Well, so you have to tell me to, you have to say the thing first. Thank you. This Paul Ryan thing is super annoying to me. I hate it so much because this is going to be the trend going forward like because I was a big iron stash supporter for like the last year,

you know, like I love the dude. Like that's the kind of people that we need in Congress. Oh yeah. And the reason being is because that's the kind of people that were in Congress in Senate when they invented Congress in Senate was hardworking people. But Paul Ryan is just it's going to be this is going to be a snowball effect of these Republicans who went in, they did a bunch of horrible, horrible things to make themselves much more money when they returned to the private sector. And then now they're all returning to the private sector. Yeah. Oh, well, what are we supposed to do about it? Like, well, it's like freaking wash, it's like pilot washing his hands of the butt of Christ and moving on saying,

it's not my fault, I didn't have anything to do with it. Dang, did you just do a Pontius pilot butt of Christ? I am right. I did. And like, that's what it feels like to me with this announcement. It's like, he knows that he won't win because he fucked up so hard. But in his mind, he didn't mess up. Just that's the part that frustrates me.

In his mind, he did. He don't think he does, like in his heart of hearts, like no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I feel like a real human being would know when they've done wrong shit. Morality is subjective though. I think he's in this case. It's pretty black or white. In general, yes, but you're right. I make an evoconversation about this

because I disagree. I think that there are universal rights and wrongs. I agree with what you believe is right and wrong. I also agree that as you should. Absolutely. But I believe there are people out there who can find ways to do mental gymnastics, call themselves a Christian by the book and still do things like. Yeah, exactly. Do they know what information they're hard to find? I believe they can convince themselves that, yes, sure. Or do they do they think that they are really good people?

That the mind is a powerful thing and even if it's not exactly fact or you know by tradition You can convince yourself of anything. I've tricked myself into some shit. I believe it. Yeah, I have to my first marriage Only one oh yeah, you know what I really true myself into that co-need 2012 thing do you remember that? Oh? Don't give me talking about that. Oh my god I can see that you're wedding. Well, yeah, he's one of my, I grew up with the man. I really? Yeah, he's a good friend of mine to this day. I was so alive.

Yeah, so his brother is one of my best friends. That's why I looked at you. That's crazy. What a coincidence. I was so, when that came out, I was so into it. I was like, I'm gonna drive out of college and just help these people. That's the only thing I can do.

Can I say something though? What do you mean? Oh, sure. You tricked yourself into it. I have to go back in my memory and remember why that was problematic to my college activists self. Why did you choose that? I mean, it was really great marketing and a great cause.

So I think you weren't wrong to fall. I'm not falling for it, but to get on board. But you're right. Do you see the language that's typically associated with Coney? It's a controversial thing because people aren't aware of it. People aren't aware of it. Just like the DNC hex, if people don't know,

you're language. You're right. I'm a part of the problem because I couldn't tell you what Coney 2012 was about. I have to tell you guys, Jalise is the sweetest person ever. Like, Jordan will come in and say, somebody shot my dog and she'll be like, yeah, but what was he going through right then?

There's always gray areas. It's so adorable. I love that about you. And I'm glad that you balanced that out in me because I'm a dick. So I love you, H.E. I'm also gonna, yeah, I just remember, news agency's came out with so much stuff about him

and how he got caught, I don't know, doing something. Well, no, he was definitely on TV doing gnarly stuff. Yeah. Because he had like a, basically they described it as a heart attack for the brain. Oh, that was not reported. They said, of course it was reported. Because there's no fun in the actual fact of the situation is there. So the actual fact of the situation was that he literally went through a situation where

he basically had a heart attack for his brain And that's what caused him to just flip out and walk away from his house. Oh, almost naked. I think I got zero that was Up for you know basically awake for seven days straight because that video became so huge He was on a bunch of you know day and and and that's part of that is I was in Vegas When that video came out with a bunch of other people who had grown up with him. And while we were just getting loaded and losing tons of money on Blackjack, he was trying to change the world.

So we were at the Blackjack table just looking up and seeing him going, ha, Jason. And yeah, double down. We didn't care at all. But that's the thing to me about the C movement is that sure there are there were issues and problems But name me an organization that doesn't have issues and the fact that they were trying the publicans Publicans are perfect. Yeah, I don't mean to do rail is sorry, but the fact that they were so They were the that's what happens when you're the biggest dog in the race then you're gonna get the most scrutiny And can I ask you really quickly to explain

to our listeners who might not be familiar with Coney 2012, right? Exactly. What he was and what he was standing for. Coney 2012, Joseph Coney is a warlord and Northern Uganda, I believe, I'm gonna, I'm not a scholar on the subject, but basically what happened was he would go around.

He's only your friend. Yeah, Joseph Coney. He's only your friend. Yeah, Joseph Cohen. He's the world on my friends. I didn't knock her up to the theater with Joseph Cohen. No. Although, how fun with that be. Oh, man, dangerous. He would go around and they would kidnap kids

in these villages and they would force them to fight for their war, the child soldiers, which is the invisible children. So they called the invisible children. Jason and his two friends went and they found out about this when they went on a trip to, like just literally as kids, we're going to Africa, went to Africa, found out about this, and then we're like, holy shit, this is awful.

How can we do something about this? And I mean, that's when you start to get to a point, a lot of people go, oh, but three white men trying to figure out how to fix Africa. It's like, well, you know what? Sorry. Somebody's got to. It's not like they were like, hey, we're three white guys.

We can fix this. They were just like, hey, we should try to fix our problem. We are people. Yeah. We care about that. That's when people flip the race issue in a really negative way. And it's unfortunate that that happens, but you're totally right. Yeah.

Actually, back then, it wasn't even, I'm not gonna say that wasn't about that, not as much as it is today, but I don't feel like that was the issue as much as his health issues were the issue. Well, then they basically, they did a bunch of work. The company was around for years before County 2012 happened. So it was around for years,

and they were doing a ton of stuff. They opened schools and built schools. They opened up ways for people to get water. They were doing tons of things in this in Uganda and this surrounding I don't know where your countries, I guess. I don't know. I'm sorry. I'm not. This isn't my forte. But they were doing a lot of really good work and then they made this video raise awareness. They raised a bunch of awareness. Yeah. Yeah. And the thing about it is that Jason still goes and does stuff. He's actually right now with his family on the road. They released a children's book called A Little Radical, which basically teaches kids how to be activists. So they are now on the road doing

a book tour going around. They're just in DC meeting with senators and all the people that they've collected, you know, contacts with over the years, introducing this book around. So their whole lives are being activist and wanting to push forward in the next generation and pushing it out there and trying to get people to stand up for what they believe in. And when you help people and you're the biggest dog, like you said, you're gonna get the most scrutiny

like the kids at Parkland. Like the kids at Parkland, exactly. Exactly, they were weird. Was weird though, is that that narrative infiltrated my super liberal college spirit that he maybe wasn't liberal enough when you talk about the white people thing, you know, and that's coming out of ethnic studies classes that are very against white people trying to solve problems in Africa.

But yeah, they totally portrayed it as him going crazy, being an alcoholic. Well, then you have to ask, well, if you had one wish, what would it be for us to stop helping? Yeah, I think Dallas addressed that perfectly to Jordan. I think the fact that I did kind of create this weird like I said, don't meet me. I wasn't involved. Oh, no worries. When the, we know that I only help other white people. I understand. Totally. I'm sorry. That was a joke. Please don't email me. I understand totally. It's a great. I'm sorry. That was a joke. Please don't email me. No, AG's the best So seriously, I think you made a good point Dallas. I think it people no matter how much good you do People are always gonna say you're not doing enough and it's not your fault Jordan that you got sucked into it because I did too I think sometimes it's just it's what word gets around. Oh, I don't mean like yeah, yeah, I mean

I was just really going off of you just like I don't know what you were hearing I had in my own news. Yeah, this prop has makes you dig into stuff, but most people don't yeah, so just to wrap it all up. Yeah, I know this is a good point even though we're six years late. I think it's still Well, you guys when I make the wrap-up sign, you don't have to say oh they're to they're giving me a lot I Comments were so used to I know well. Yeah, yeah, yeah, give, give me a minute. On the radio, if I wanted to make it known, I would say.

You're right, you're right. I'll say this, to close it up with a Coney thing, I wrote a long piece about the whole thing before he went, you know, had his incident. About the fact that the internet in general, and it's only gotten worse since then, it does those things worse since then, it does those things where they go, hey, I'm going to hear, I'm going to sit here, I'm going to talk

shit about everything that you're doing and then I'm going to go watch Netflix because that's what people do. That's how people act. Yeah, the armchair. For the most part, I would just say, it's an easy 50% of the people. Oh, and honestly, whenever anybody gives me shit about anything, the first question I have for them is what have you done to help your country today? Exactly.

That's all my only question. What have you done to help others today? I'm a little country, you can totally talk shit about this kid doing this stuff in Africa, or what you guys are doing here, you can talk all the shit you want, but then at the end of the day, how are you gonna fix it?

What are you gonna do? Is this what you do? You just shit all over everybody else. That's not very productive. You're political troll. So that's kind of my first feeling with that. And they told me, now with Twitter being with Twitter is it's like, you could post a puppy on there and people like, oh, you hate Jews. You're like, what this is a puppy? Like what? It doesn't even make any sense. It's hard. It's hard to do. Yeah. Well, I'm sorry. Anyway.

Yeah, sorry about your friend that was spent a nightmare of a situation for him. Oh, no, he's great. I mean, like I said, yeah. Yeah, sorry. Anyway, yeah, sorry about your friend that must have been a nightmare of a situation. Oh, no, he's great. I mean, like I said, he's doing fantastic now. His family's doing amazing things. So, yeah, yeah. His good heart came through. That was why I got sucked in in the first place. Of course. There you go. It's just, it happened. We'll be talking about Seerold on another episode if you want. And that was one of the best wedding ever. I love that wedding. That was a fun wedding. It was very fun wedding.

Hell yeah. It's really great. That guy's wedding. So, right? Paul Ryan. That was a fun wedding. It was very fun. Really. That's really great. That guy's wedding. So right. Paul Ryan. Oh, you're that. Oh, Paul Ryan. I'm a right. Yes. Yes. Yes. I found a meme really quick. Sorry. It was a political cartoon where he says, I can no longer stand passively by, well, Trump spins out of control. It's time to take bold action. And then the next image is him running out of door. Yeah.

Bye. How do we need man? Yeah. They're all they all are pretty thin skin, we need so sorry about your disease. I I think and just along the lines of what you were saying before we got into the Coney conversation Dallas is that they're going to lose. Um, he was going to lose to iron stash. I 100% guarantee you he's going to lose to iron stash. And love that guy and we need more people like that in Congress and that's we we if you If you are a patron if you subscribe to our podcast even for a dollar a month part of your proceeds are going to act blue

They're going to go to act blue to flip Yes Yeah, actually technically if we get through it Yes. Yeah, actually technically if we get through it down. Let me ask you this maybe you know I said I see you said Darryl I say you said I say oh Darryl I said district 49. He's retiring. He's retiring See another one of these guys is retiring. There's about 40 years. He would a lot Sarah Jacobs would have been a heartbeat There's about 40 and and that and you guys we've been saying this I've been saying this even sayings for months now they are complicit in for an election interference via Cambridge Analytica they used stolen and hacked emails from the DNC and the DCCC to win their elections to win their elections yeah and so they're going to be

their complicit in this could we get them back for that like once they're even out of office Is there a way that Muller even the people that he's given power to if there's evidence Muller house it? I'm sure he'll bring charges. It's okay. It's what he does nice. I've heard a Little birdie told you on Twitter. Let's get a little quicker on it and now back to the action We also learned that the FBI rated when the FBI rated Cohen stuff when he rated his office in his house and his hotel. They were looking for stuff connected to Donald Trump himself. And I'll talk more about that later. Also, news drop that a former Flynn staffer named Wattneck, Cohen Wattneck, a possible co-conspirator in the Devon Nunez shit. He's being hired at the

Justice Department and this blew my mind. Jordan, you're gonna go over this later. Yes. And fuck that guy. I gave it to you because it's newness connected and you're like my newness person. Oh yeah, I didn't see it coming until then the report and I was like, Oh, that's fucking newness.

This is why she gave it to me. Then we found out the NRA got back to Senator Wyden. Do you guys remember this? We've been talking about this for weeks. Oh yeah. If you remember, we've been following NRA got back to Senator Wyden. Do you guys remember this? We've been talking about this for weeks. Oh, yeah. If you remember, we've been following NRA rushetize for months. Feels like forever.

Last January, Senator Wyden wrote the NRA and the Treasury, a minutian, a note. M minutians produced so many movies. It's weird, dumb and dumb. That's right. Yeah, he's been involved with a lot of and movies I liked too. It's, yeah, the Lego movie. That's right. Yeah, he's been involved with a lot of entry movies. I like it's yeah But Lego movie knocked up

40-year-old virgin Yeah, he's got my I think spider-man the last spider-man. He's got good taste Whenever Dallas does anything seriously, I have to laugh because I think he's joking It's a burden. No, it's try everyone's like hi. Yeah right. You're like, no, I'm really, I'm dying right now. So yeah, exactly. It almost feels like Manuchin shouldn't have left the movies. Right? Or was he laundering money through the movies?

That's what I'm leaning towards. And he's just talking to the Russians, like, we'll see you at the movie. I'll be back. That's for older people. Yeah, I went over my head as usual. It's okay, it's a Cisco and Ebert reference. I think one of them was dead by the time you were born.

If you can start at Spongebob and move on from there. Spongebob, that's right, represent. That's a great life. Yeah, listen, just that's a good rule. Just start, just post Spongebob. Mm-hmm. Anyway, so the NRA wrote back to his first letter and said there's none. We don't have any foreign donations. Then Wyden wrote them again saying yes, there is I bet what's up with it and the NRA replied

with their policy on accepting foreign donations. We would Jordan we talked about this last week like Did you murder someone? Let me tell you about the laws on murder. I'm not allowed to. So, Wyden wrote a third time and said, quit dicking around and tell me what's going on. So, they wrote back again and said, okay, we took Russian money, but it's only dues,

and it doesn't total more than 2,500 now. Duse? Duse. Sorry. NRA, like people in Russia are allowed to pay NRA dues? Anyone can. So, I didn't know that. Or maybe not. I don't know. I don't read their rules when they sent them. So they wrote back and said we took Russian money, but it's only doos and it's not more than $2,500. Now leave us alone. We've done so much work for you and our fingers are tired. My fingers hurt. Oh well. They're backstabbing hurt.

You just pull landscape and duty. Mmm. Anybody else's fingers hurt? I didn't think so. So I doubt Wyden will be satisfied with that answer. There may be another letter going out, but we'll see. I don't know. Wednesday night news broke that Bannon, crazy Bannon,

he pitched the White House aides. He pitched a bunch of White House aides about his ideas about what Trump should do about the Mueller investigation since they rated Cohen's stuff. It's a very complex three-part plan. First of all, the step one, fire Rosenstein, step two, refuse to cooperate. And step three, put your junk in that box.

No, step three,roactively assert executive privilege. Good. Fashes in 101. Yes. All of those things. And I can't help but wonder, like, is he trolling Trump? Like, is he fucking with him? Because we know Trump hates Bannon, and he shits his pants whenever anyone mentions his name. And Bannon lost Mercer funding because Trump broke up with him on Twitter or whatever. So this could be a setup. So I'm not in this week's review of Russian Roulette. We learn that ban and blames himself for Trump firing Comey.

By the way, after the intelligence community chiefs met with Obama, they all went over to Trump Tower to brief Trump and his team on the findings that Russia meddled in the election. And then they all left the room and left him alone with Comey, who was supposed to hand him the two-page p-tap dossier after they were all gone. And he just to make him aware that it was out there. I'm not saying this is true or not or this is substantiated, but it's circulating, it's probably going to come out, you just want to know about it. Right. Hit bro. Like here's a bro favor. Yeah. And then after Comey left, Bannon yelled at Pribus and said, why did you let him give Trump this shit?

Fuck. He's like, is this an official FBI document? Has it been vetted by handing you that? He said to Trump by handing you that. It's now part of the official presidential record. And that convinced Trump that this was a shake down and Comey was out to get him. And Bannon said, quote, I planted planted that seed and then he fired Komi. It's my fault

So I'm not sure Bannon has Trump's best interest in in mind or if he's trying to weasel back Into his good graces so he can get his merciless allowance back I'm not I'm not sure and either would surprise me. What do you guys think? Yeah, I think it's both I think Bannon's just out for himself, but he'll do whatever he needs to with Trump to get there. I think he's trying to get back into his good grades. Yeah, he pretty desperately tried to redact his comments, calling him a psychopath.

All right, well, we're gonna go ahead and go with that prediction then. So Dallas, put some beans on it. So good. Do you feel reduced to a lower level? Why are we only just kidding you for that? This is great. This is great.

What are you talking about reduced to a lower level? It's a genius question. It is, it is. But Dallas is such a smart person. I can literally do this. How many things to say? On podcasts that I would. I'll make the rotate.

And it's because he's a smart person that he was able to come up with puts and beans on it. It's true. Yeah. If you one day you'll see me on Maddo. Yeah. You'll see me on Maddo behind you're just going, put some beans.

Just like the Maddo hype man. Yeah. Jump in and go put some beans. You're a Wayne's World too. Yep. Wouldn't it the screamer? Is that a thing? Yeah.

Really? That's funny. Wow. That's extra. Extra. When he screams and flies back in the chair, that one? really? That's funny. That's extra. That's extra. That's extra. When he screams and flies back in the chair, that one? Yeah, that's me. I'm doing it.

I'm the screamer in the studio. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. All right, sorry. Hello, Bob. At least it's like, I don't even know. I'm so sorry. No, it's okay.

Don't be sorry that you're here. I'm heavily underrated. Yeah. That's good movie. It's Republican movies. Chuck Grassley. Republican Chuck Grassley. I have a little bit of a story that you're having. I have a little underrated. Yeah, a stupid movie. Republican movies. Chuck Grassley, Republican Chuck Grassley announced he wanted to raise the Coons till his Booker Graham legislation to protect Mueller in Thursday, Senate Judiciary Hearing.

I have not heard follow up. I didn't know if he brought it up yet. I've been looking. I'll keep everybody posted. So, that would be... Dallas. Put some beans on it. keep everybody posted, so that means... I don't know. Mm-hmm. Dallas. Put some beans on it, thank you.

Yeah. Also Wednesday night, someone sent me a Mother Jones article. People sent me articles all the time, like, oh my god, you have to see this. You have to see this. Yeah. And I usually have already put it in the script, but somebody sent me a Mother's Jones article

about a Trump, about a Trump. About Trump, possibly replacing Rosenstein with a guy named Bench Kowski. Ooh. And I had to laugh, because this is a brand new article this week, but here, check this clip out from episode 11 three months ago. Also, Trump re-nominated Brian Bench Kowski to be the assistant attorney general of the criminal division of the DOJ. And here's why that's crazy. I haven't talked about Brian Vanchaski before, but early in the spring of 2016, when all this shit was starting to stir up, before the dossier, before steel, before a drug pop a dot mouthed off to Ossi Downer in the UK pub.

Well, the FBI was looking into a Russian bank called Alpha Bank, and it's mentioned in the Fusion GPS transcripts too. Because at the beginning of the campaign, the very beginning of the campaign, one of the Trump servers began communicating solely with that bank. And Alpha Bank hired a US lawyer, all US lawyers, including a Trump lawyer by the name of Benchkowski. Now, at that time, it was right around the time of the transition. So this is, you know, months, months, months later, transition December, you know, October November, December, and Alpha Bank hired Ben Chowski. So he quit the Trump transition team to go defend Alpha Bank in some money laundering

lawsuits. Then, after a while, Trump nominated him early on in 2017 to be the Assistant Attorney General of the Criminal Division of the Department of Justice. He was not confirmed, because all the senators were like, what? Alfred, it was like, wait a minute, let me get this straight. You should see that Alfred, and look at that, the Alfred and Ben Chowski, back and forth. It's so funny. He's like, oh, okay. So you defended Alfa Bank

in money laundering suits and then, you know, so basically, he wasn't confirmed, but this week, Trump re-nominated him for the same position. A guy who represented a Russian bank accused of colluding with the Trump campaign to head the criminal division or the Department of Justice. Wow. All right, so then, right? Weird. So then Thursday, a dorman was paid $30,000 to keep his mouth shut about Trump allegedly

fathering a child, not illegitimate all children or illegitimate. Yes, a bastard. Yeah, exactly, exactly. That's exactly it. Jalice is going to tell us more about the Doorman later. Doorman. You know what?

You may have power now, but you're not God. You're a Doorman. OK? You're a Doorman. Doorman. Doorman. Doorman. Doorman.

You're right. You're a Doorman. Yeah, she's so funny. You're right. I can only let one black person in for every 30 people If I have there's 28 people I have to hope for like a black guy on a Asian midget I can't remember. Yeah Craig Robinson was in that Craig Robinson scene. It was Leslie Mann Judd at Patel's wife Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, she has a Tarzan. She has the best line and I wait George for your version. Exactly. What's the motherfucking pain?

She's stormy Daniels wasn't that oh no way she played the porn star Oh, we gotta look back. Oh, we gotta watch it together now. I know we should have us We're authentic actor. Maybe our maybe our hundred thousand viewing part. I don't want to porn I was gonna say I don't want people to know my address, but I got a 12-foot movie screen in the back with the screens and permission. A channel we need to do that. I would be so down. Yeah, but I don't want to tell our fans where I live. We'll blindfold them.

Yeah, and then when they get here. Renta Theater. And we're at like an AMC. That's what I'll do. Okay, okay. All right, you guys, we also learned that the acting CEO of Cambridge Analytica Alexander Taylor stepped down just weeks after taking the job over for Alexander Nix. So maybe you just can't be named Alexander and run Cambridge Analytica.

There's some glitch in the matrix. Der Shawitz visited the White House Thursday and he pitched his plan for what Trump should do about Mueller, much like Bannon tried, but this is Der Shawitz now. Der Shawitz, he's a Fox News contributor and he's a lawyer. And he thinks that Mueller should have never been appointed in the first place. He feels like an independent commission, like the 9-11 commission, would have been a better idea. So Dershowitz says, steel doesn't melt. Dershowitz says Trump should try to force Rosenstein,

Stein, so kind of can't believe I just called him Rosenstein. Hey, I fucked. Yeah, I'd say all the time. You've I fuck yeah, I say you've been called, you've been called Diane fine steam, you've been called her fine steam too. I go back and say, is that a fence to Jewish people? Is there, are there any Jews in the room?

I am half Jewish on my mom's side. Yeah, we're in a room. Well, then you're all Jewish. If you're, just your mom's side, you're all Jewish. Yeah, yeah. So Dursu, it says, Mint jelly, okay, sorry. Just don't give me gifeltifish.

Yeah, I'm in a schixza at say to her. I know. So Dershwitz says, Troubleshwards mean. And you're half Jew? Yeah, McGregor was a bad Jew. She would unfold an abkin instead of having like the actual ceremonial cloth that's supposed to

shield her from, you know, I don't know. God's love? Is that, is that what that is? I don't know. God's love? Is that the sound that is? I don't know. No one has to do it. No, it's totally what it is. Yeah. Oh my God.

Anyway, Dershew, it says Trump should try to force Rosenstein to recuse himself. We've talked about this eventuality on the show. Rosenstein is likely to witness in the obstruction case because he wrote the letter that recommended Komi's firing. but we were saying Mueller would have to finesse the timing, right? Like, you know, drop the indictments and then do the obstruction because Rosinstein would accuse himself and he would have a window of time to get the, you know, that part out.

Dershowitz is saying Trump should file a motion and force it, force him to do that. So that's interesting. I don't know. should file a motion and force it, force him to do that. So that's interesting. I don't know. Dershowitz is insane, but he's probably the sanest of all the Fox News contributors. You know, because they're all, you know, they're all just fire them, fire their masks, fire them

from top to bottom, at DOJ, put means on it or whatever. So, you know, I don't know, he seems like the most sane version. He's like, dude, you don't have to fire anybody, just tell him to recuse himself. He's gonna have to, he's a witness in this. He's a genius dude when it comes to manipulation. He's the one who won the OJ case. Yes.

Oh, no way. I love it when we know he was the secret behind. Wow. We got OJ off. The 20 defense or the first that, yes. No, it was the very, and something happened to the, I forget. It was, the glove doesn't fit, you must have quit. That was a, that was a con and something happened to be I forget I love big love doesn't fit you must equip that was it

Cockrooted that but Dershowist did something from like a like a Fax machine basically when he was he wasn't in the room like I know that he's ever in the room Can we explain to our listeners what a fax machine is really quickly We as a facsimile machine think of a net that sends paper What's a facsimile machine. Think of a net that sends paper. What's a phone? Yeah, exactly. Anyway, so there's your wits met Thursday with Trump. So we then learned that Mueller will likely move forward

with an obstruction report without interviewing Trump. This is kind of big. The likelihood of Trump sitting down with Mueller after the Cohen raid is like gone. Women non-yelch So, he's so stupid. He's told me he wasn't a subject of the investigation and then raided his personal, during his office.

He's so, he didn't. He's so, he's told him he wasn't a target in the investigation. Yeah, yeah, sorry. Is this subject not a target? He is. Well, he didn't even say that. He's like, you're not a target, man, chill.

He's like, great, I'll talk to you that sounds fantastic. We'll have Fondue. Fondue is a dip, a bread with a fork and cheese. Never mind, I'll tell you guys, I'll show you photos. Is that for me and Jolissa? Yeah, are you explaining? What we know what Fondue is, I'm a stoner, okay? I've melted anything.

I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I didn't realize it made a resurgence. And now I feel like a... I knew it was back on top. Now I feel like a layer of hipster. Yeah, I figured they wouldn't do it because a resurgence. Now I feel like a... I knew it was back on top. Now I feel like a lame hipster. I figured they wouldn't do it because the beard's... I went there for prom once. My mom paid for it.

You went to fondue. Forever fondue. The melting pot. Oh, the melting pot. I've never heard of Forever fondue though. Is that insane either? I don't think it's around anymore to tell the truth. It used to be a...

Forever fondue would have hired. Anyway, it's not forever. It's shut down. The likelihood of him sitting down with Mueller is next, right? It's gone. So Mueller is activating Plan B, not the birth control. And that is file the report without Trump, basically. We were expecting a report in May or June according to them.

We were going to get an obstruction report in May or June after the Trump interview. But maybe we'll see it sooner now. There are four findings of obstruction of justice, and they are ready to go according to sources close to Mueller. Damn, they include on Trump. Yeah, they include the intent behind firing Comey, the drafting of the response to the June 2016 Trump Tower meeting, the dangling of pardons. I like the visual. For man-of-fortant gates, yeah. And pressuring sessions, not to recuse himself. Do those four things sound familiar? Oh, yeah.

We went over them in our four questions that Mueller wanted to. Our mini-sode. Yep, to ask Trump. If you don't get mini-sodes, get them. Yeah, get that. It's $1. If you need a dollar dollar I'll give you dollar

That's how it works. Oh damn it You gotta give you the dollar right cuz then net zero. Okay. Yeah It's a lie zero what? Ask the mions That's a weird reference. Okay, there was a chatter late Thursday that Trump was thinking about pardoning Scooter Libby. Scooter Libby and that Cohen may have had recorded phone calls that were seized by the FBI. And then lo and behold on Friday, Trump pardoned Scooter Libby and there were taped phone calls in the Cohen loot. So I'm going to go over the Cohen stuff in the

notes, but let's chat about Scooter Libby for a second. I want to throw this over to Jordan because I know Scooter is, you know, before your time, but you and I talked and you were really into the Valerie Plame story when you were in high school, you said. I was. So I thought this would be great for you to tell us about who Scooter Libby is. Yeah. And maybe why Bush didn't even pardon him. Yeah, thank you for sending this my way. The Valerie Plame story was one of the first things that really politicized me in high school for sure. My dad was really into it and it was just in the bad way, you know. Like, is your dad some good?

Yeah. Oh no, no, oh god, no, I'm so sorry. He has a girlfriend, yeah. Yeah. Is she cute in the mirror? Do you know what don't answer? Just go, just go. Well, she's around my age.

So, just. All right, so she's tighter than me, but is she cute? I mean, there's the tough ones. You know what, it doesn't matter. I'm a true to McCabe. I've already disappointed my dad so much, H.G. I don't know if I can continue.

But, so, yeah, Scooter Libby was dig Chinese chief of staff during the Bush administration and Scooter Libby was charged on multiple counts of obstruction of justice and perjury and things that I can get the exact list here. Libby was indicted by a federal grand jury on five felony counts of making false statements to federal investigators perjury for lying to a federal grand jury on five felony counts of making false statements to federal investigators Perjury for lying to a federal grand jury and obstruction of justice for impeding the course of a federal grand jury investigation Concerned with the possible illegal leaking by government officials of the classified identity of Valerie Plame who I get it now. I get why Trump pardon him leaks. Yeah leaks more leaks well and also

Okay, so Basically Valerie Plain's identity was leaked by someone who they now know Or who they didn't know at the time was not Scooter Libby. It was actually someone it Richard Armitage Who is in the state department But Scooter Libby was Dig Cheney's right hand man. There was a triangle of I mean, there's this larger than a Department, but Scooter Libby was Dick Cheney's right-hand man. There was a triangle of, I mean, there's this larger than a triangle, but many more sides than that.

But it was Dick Cheney. Yeah, Dick Cheney. But he's a do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do My dad is his octahedron all the time. That's really nice. My wife and her like, Oh my god! Like every time she, like it's just a word. That's a great freaking word. It is. It's a genius word. Yeah, that's great. Sorry.

Sorry. No, that's okay. It's an essay keyword. Take some beans off of that word. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Take some beans off it. Yeah, you have to be like, Womp, Womp, take some beans off it. You give me a take some beans off it. You have to be like, want, want, take some beans off it.

You give me a take some beans off it. Take some beans off it. We get a rewind you saying. It goes down at the end. Yeah. That was good. Perfect. Please continue with the wonderful Scooter.

Yes. So Scooter Libby dig chaining Carl Rove. All of these names were really prevalent in that. Rove is a time-up. Yeah, Carl Rove is like arguably the mastermind behind essentially undermining Valerie Plame, who was a CIA agent at the time, who was sent to try to discover any evidence of WMDs in Iraq, and she finds that there isn't any even find out how she did that. She seems more like a, I don't know, she's a very beautiful, very white,

very blonde woman. How did she sneak in? Yeah, I don't know. To the Middle East and get into the places where they would keep WMEs. Like how did it? Because blondes can go anywhere. Yeah.

Oh my gosh. It's global. You know what? You're right. Yeah, I almost won. They were just like, hey, a pot lady. Yeah, yeah, it's a perk for sure. But yeah, so Scooter Libby winds up getting indicted

on those charges of obstruction of justice and perjury, essentially. And this was seen largely as an issue of prosecutorial overreach because they thought, if this isn't the guy that actually leaked her name her name winds of getting leaks boiler alert at which which is which is boiler alert the issue with that obviously being that in danger is the life of her and anyone that helped keep her cover basically and she's she's only researching terrorists organizations, you know, it's not, it's not a big deal or anything.

But the really, really interesting detail that I did not know about this was that James Comey was the person who appointed the special counsel to investigate Scooter Libby. So Trump pardoning Scooter Libby. So there's like nine levels. Yeah, it's a big F you to come. Yes. Yes. It's a huge F you to come. A signal to saying, Hey, you don't have to cooperate that much. I'll pardon you. Yeah. Not on the state level though. Trump. He can't do that. He still can do that. Right. Yeah, but this isn't a state right now. I know this one isn't, but I feel like, yeah, he still has people that he can't. I mean, he's trying his only hand, but it's not a very strong one. Yeah, but there are no state charges against

man-afforded gates right now. Wait, what? None? No. Oh man. Uh. Isn't it a fun, uh, agey, or understand this, but just to hearing all these old names again.

I know. Trump become president. He's like, I'm drained in the swamp. Now you're just going to the 90s. Like that's all you're doing. Like everybody I grew up hating when I was in, when I was in the 19 was going to the 90s. 18 years, yeah, it's like,

oh, scooter, oh, scooter, that's the swamp. It's with bad music. Exactly. New gang rage, oh my gosh. Yeah, yeah. Also a fun fact I learned scooter Libby's only novel he's ever written is titled The Apprentice.

Oh, that's hilarious. It's like the Lincoln Kennedy kind You're kidding me, right? No, this is somebody make that meme for me. No, that's fantastic. I would just hope that Mueller has enough people speaking up that he wouldn't need Manafort, but I know those guys are big gates. Oh, yeah, they're huge. You don't need Manafort.

I think Cohen's going to flip. We'll talk about it in a minute. Yeah, yeah. Julie, so your boy, Broidy, resigned after paying a playboy, playmate, $1.6 million to shut up and have an abortion, which I'm sure the evangelical voters will overlook and support of a pro-life offense. Oh, you know it.

He's the second in battle RNC chair to step down in recent months after win left, amidst accusations of sexual misconduct and assault and rape and stuff. The law and order party. The party of principles, the grand old party. Julia said, and this is actually really sad to me because I actually miss having discussions with legit Republicans about big government, small government, physical conservatism versus socialism or democratic socialism.

Julia said, do you have a little bit of, can you read me, Brody's statement? Yeah, yeah, we have this unfortunate statement. So, this is Brody, he says, first, I would like to sincerely apologize to my wife and family for the hurt that I have caused. I acknowledge I have a consensual, I had a consensual relationship with a playboy, playmate. At the end of our relationship, this woman shared with me that she was pregnant. She alone decided that she did not want to continue with the pregnancy, and I offered to help her financially during this difficult period. We have not spoken since that time. It is unfortunate that this personal matter between two consenting adults is the subject of

national discussion just because of Michael Kohin's involvement. Mr Kohin reached out to me after being contacted by this woman's attorney, Keith Davidson. Although I had not previously hired Mr Kohin, I retained Mr Kohin after he informed me about his prior relationship with Mr Davidson. I will have no further comment about this matter, And I request the media respect my family's privacy. My favorite part about that is she alone decided that she didn't want to have this baby

as if to deflect pro-lifers. Exactly. But you do realize that she alone decided is pro-choice. Yeah. So just letting you know. Yeah, we're not actually pro-baby killing people for the record. But also, yeah, we're not actually pro baby killing people for the record She alone decided to not have this baby. Don't worry about the whole you know infidelity thing that I

Happen, you know, let's talk about the she alone part. It's a really well-written statement for stupid people It really is yeah, he's like it's a shame that two relationships between two consenting adults never mind the fact it's extramarital people want to play play me. If you want to be on Obama's bed, that should be fine. Right. Which in theory I'm very down for. I'm down for a lot of like whatever. No, we are sexual liberation.

Guys, we're all down for all this. Yeah, down for being somebody off to his playboy playmate posing new to magazines and having an abortion. Yeah, this is, this is a huge night for me. It's kind of my high school. So, you know, I'm a hundred percent down for it. The interesting part here is the hypocrisy, exactly. And the post they hold, the level of... I don't care, I'll be president.

Not fucking having an abortion. I don't care. I'll do it ever six months. Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll do it ever six months, just in case. Absolutely. I don't care. I think you're seeing because it's the post they hold that makes them feel like they can do this. And it makes it hypocritical as well. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's that. Yeah. That's a different kind of

power. And Komi talks about in his book he talks about transactional power. Right. I've talked about positional power, which means, you know, you only hold power because of the position that you're in. And the kind of leader that you want to be as somebody who has expertise or, or, you know, people who follow you because you have a good vision. So anyway, you know, I don't want to get into. We're not going to do a Franklin Covey seminar right now. No worries. Check this out, you guys.

Muller may have proof that Cohen went to Prague. One of the major sticking points in Cohen's testimony is that he claimed he never went to Prague as alleged in the steel dossier, right? That he even sued BuzzFeed over it. He's like, I never went to Prague. Look at my passport. I don't have stamps. I've been, I, I had to fight for stamps.

Yeah, I didn't get any Mexico. They didn't give me a stamp. You have to. Okay, Mexico doesn't count. Those people are rapists. But I don't even, sorry. No, that's Trump. That's Trump talking.

Not AG guys. Sorry. Sorry. No, that was time. You don't even get to get. Yeah, yeah, that's Trump. That's Trump talking. Not AG guys. Sorry. Sorry. No, that's not time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, it's it gets alive. Well, I'm gonna go over a Cohen in detail later. So hang tight and we'll get to the hot notes after these amazing messages played to soothing music. Hey, Mueller junkies, I have to give some love to joisttspoon.com this week for partnering with us and making us our own signature polonium tea from russia with love. An amazing Earl Grey which is perfect for making

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You'll be glad you did. All right, welcome back. Oh man, this week was heavy. Jolissa, you have some news for us about a Doorman and $30,000. I never got paid $30,000 when I was a dormant. Oh my God, yes, I do have some news about a Doorman. Doorman or a lady. That's a lot, yeah, door person. Oh, god, yes, I do have some news about dormant. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no right? I mean, rich hypothetical baby, of course, but poor excuse of the father.

So this story. It's me of Meet the Falkers when they have that kid who they think is his baby, and it's not. And it's not, it's a start of business, but it looks just like, we can't, we need a Saturday Night Live sketch of Trump's illegitimate child with a weird hair, but he's a kid. Yeah, what I think his baby looks like.

An orange face, but he's a kid. And this is not to bash a baby because it's not the baby's fault, but it just, it makes Yeah, what I think his baby looks like. An orange face, but he's a kid. And this is not to bash a baby because it's not the baby's fault, but it just makes me think about. Don't kick the baby. Yeah, I don't kick the baby. I think about the hangover and the baby and the little satchel.

I think Trump's baby is, I mean, it's a 25 year old baby now or 30 year old. That's the kicker. I wonder him and Eric Trump should look at each other like they're looking at their own reflection or something. Exactly. Right? Who is this baby? So according to the New Yorker, him and Eric Trump should look at each other like they're looking at their own reflection or something like Exactly right? Who is this? So according to the New Yorker, he's gotten less gums than we have.

It's a good give a little bit. How did he get such big teeth? Right? Go on Mari, figure this out. So according to the New Yorker, this story is that Trump may have knocked up his housekeeper in the late 80s. Done, done, done. And that was like we said, we're looking at another Schwarzenegger situation. Oh, yeah, I forgot about that. That's right. Right. Did not have Schwarzenegger. Yeah.

It's like a shitty maiden Manhattan situation. Yeah, somehow, somehow Schwarzenegger is a thousand times more likable than also was a better politician for sure hands down governor governor better ball better politician But not the best verbally, but I've done them in actions Sure, I think I just remember the the Blarneystone jukebox Yeah, yeah, we had a Dallas now used to do shows the Blarney Stowell probably all the time and on the jukebox

They had the Arnold Schwarzenegger workout tapes. I don't know why but you put them on like imagine being in a bar Hang it out having a pint and then all of a sudden you're all right one two work your muscles three Do it now five is great. It was great. I was great The music behind it was something insane. Something weird. Something very Austrian. I apologize. Please continue. Oh, absolutely. So yeah, like I said, this was about 30 years ago that Trump may have gotten his How, how's keeper pregnant? And I was thinking how crazy would it be if hope Hicks is the baby? Right? I know she has a history on the record. According to Wikipedia, I know she has a family and parents, but how much proof he asked Obama for his birth certificate and everything stopped,

everything called. You don't run this ship by me first. Last week you pulled the half man half must option, you must ask for me. And I was a blown away. Now you're pulling the hope Hicks is Trump's daughter. I can foil which is on. Which makes sense that he wants to have sex with her.

Yeah, and I can so attach to and like so attached and so I'm sorry I'm sorry. No, you're right. You're right about parts of that though. Absolutely. I've never even thought about that. Yeah It is an attorney for the actual choir. If I can quote the Beatles, I'm not prepared for that eventuality That is insanity. Yeah, I wish this oh my god. I was high when I thought of that so we'll see You know what? Get high more often. I love your contributions when you're not. Thank you so much. She blow my mind. I appreciate that, H.

Blow my sober mind. So the New Yorker claims that the American media ink or AMI who publishes for the national inquire, they may have paid for this story with the sole intention of covering it up. So come to think of it, that's pretty typical of their character. I love that you call it the national inquire. Oh, I'm so sorry. Is it, is it E-quirer? No, it's the National Inquirer. Oh, okay.

Inquiring minds want to know. Oh. And I'm only telling you this because I need to know. You didn't know. Yeah, yeah. It's very old. So for the record, it is National Inquirer. Inquirer. Inquirer. I literally did read over that like 10 times. Like what am I reading? but thank you. I appreciate it They still sell that I think I But I never really set it out loud. Yeah, yeah, I appreciate that so this is pretty you know in character of them Considering that they use similar tactics to hide stories about Harvey Weinstein at least according to the New Yorker and not to mention in

August 2016 I think it's Weinstein I think it's fine to mention in August 2016. I think it's Weinstein. I think it's Weinstein. Weinstein and Rosenstein, but I think it's Weinstein. Weinstein, so too. I think so too. That's because he has been ousted as an honorary Jew of the community. It's going to turn into his new car. It's no longer allowed to be a Stein.

He has now a Stein. Oh, well, there you go, Harvey. That's what you get. And, you know, don't be a dick. Yeah, yes. I appreciate that as well. Thank you. With your dick.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yes. I appreciate that as well. Thank you with your dick. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Most importantly. Yes. Yeah, the the Speckle what is it called when the schmecken? I don't know. I love it. Oh my god. I feel like it's okay. I'm a bad you guys. No, no. I'm a bad a lot of things too. Don't don't feel bad. So in 2016 of all you have but you're a good Gentile. Thank you. I appreciate that. You're a good Gentile. Thank you. You're welcome. I appreciate that. I love it.

OK, I'm so sorry. In August 2016, AMI paid former Playboy model Karen McDoodle $150,000 for the rights to her story about an alleged nine-month affair with Trump, and they never published it. They said that her story just didn't pan out. She was, I guess, untrustworthy. They found that her claims were not valid. So yeah, they just kind of bought that story for $150,000 and just said, well, just throw it away. So that's what they do at AMI. And the person behind this latest scandal with them, and then catch and kill.

Mm-hmm, catch and kill, that's the name of the tactic where they buy stories and they suppress them, just buy them for the sake of shutting them down. So the person behind this latest story is a man named Dino, Sudjudin. And my landlord's name is Dino. So I found that I'm really interesting. There's no relation now.

This Dino used to be a door man at Trump Tower. And according to this article in 2015, Dino was paid $30,000 by AMI for exclusive rights to this Trump Housekeeper Love Chowd story. So the father of the family of the alleged love chowd said that Dino's claims were completely false and ridiculous, and that he doesn't understand what AMI had to pay him for. However, legal experts say that AMI's payment to Dino is important because it corroborates the company's pattern of buying and bearing stories

that could have been damaging to the Trump presidential campaign. I got it, so they buy and bury. Absolutely, catch and kill. Catch and kill, like you were saying, AG. So just to break it down for you guys, AMI invests. Break it down. Yeah, look at these.

Look at these. We're at a real ripple. AMI investigated Dino's allegations. D told them that high level Trump employees including Trump's head of security His name is Matthew Calamari told him the Calamari Calamari. Yeah, he'll probably come up later too And then they actually gave Dino a lie detector test squid pro croak squid it all comes together the dots are connecting a Lytid-sector test. Squid Pro Crows. Squid Brits. It all comes together.

The dots are connecting. So the AMI gave Dino a Lytid-sector test, which he passed, and then AMI reporters met with Dino Adam McDonald's of all places in Pennsylvania where they signed a contract. And in this contract, it was a multi-million dollar penalty that was going to be issued if Dino disclosed any of this info without AMI's permission. Who fucking conducts their lives this way? I mean let's get Dino over and get him a lie detector test over New Jersey and then we'll see what happens in McDonald's and everything is gonna go down

Wouldn't it be funny if the test was at McDonald's to you like the just set them away? I know who does it the mafia that's who conducts their lives. Yeah, the mom boss so to speak The most ridiculous should I've ever heard this story Yeah, you you can't write that. I'm I'm riveted. Oh absolutely. So according to a source with knowledge of the meeting, Dino and the AMI reporter signed the amendment, which the New Yorker has a copy of now and Dino said that it was going to be a very merry Christmas for him. Wow. So yeah, this guy with the info is all about the money. Which, I mean, it's a capitalist society.

If I, you know, if I, if I got a $30,000 pay off. And you don't care for Trump, it's like, yeah, he, It'd be a nice Christmas. No, skin off his back, yeah. So soon after Dino was paid, the CEO of AMI, David Pecker, oh my gosh, Pecker. Oh, do your God, Pecker. He's hanging out with that guy, cock,

that we were talking about. You know, and Coons, maybe he's in the mix somewhere. And we names, Pekker. Oh, dear God, Pekker. I'm hanging out with that guy, Cawk, that we were talking about before. You know, in Coons, maybe he's in the mix somewhere. And we names, oh my God. Cawk, Pekker and Weiner. Oh my gosh, yes. Do you guys remember? No, you don't remember.

Dallas, do you remember a movie phone? Yeah, of course I used to do a great impression of movie phone. This was my favorite thing about movie phone. And we did this several times. There was a movie called Pekker that came out. Yeah. And you call movie phone and then you select Pecker and they go And the guys was a thank you for calling movie phone and then you select and he goes you've selected

Pecker. Oh, that's hilarious. I was like one of my favorite just I would just do that I was you're first in my set in my spare time. No, just in my spare time. Hello. Thank you for calling movie phone I told you yesterday impressive Thank you for calling me by movie I told you yesterday impressive. Thank you for calling me. Thank you for calling me. Thank you for calling me. Thank you for calling me. Thank you for calling me.

Thank you for calling me. Thank you for calling me. Thank you for calling me. Thank you for calling me. Thank you for calling me. Thank you for calling me. Thank you for calling me. Thank you for calling me. Thank you for calling me. Went on for quite a while you selected packer you've selected poison ivy 3 the new seduction It was like in the at the AMAs or the MTV Music Awards when Bob with a ball was up for an award

And they had this like animated like Automated voice that came on is like and up for a song of the year. Kid Rock, bar with a bar. And it was just like the most hilarious thing. I like, oh, the hilarious. You've selected, Pucker. Anyway, continue with Pucker.

I love that. Yes, of course. So Pucker, he's been quite open about his friendship with Trump. And he told AMI reporters to stop investigating the Housekeeper Love Child Story after Dina was paid. So, one AMI source said, quote, there's no question it was done as a favor to continue to protect Trump from these potential secrets that's black and white. So, this is where it all ties. That's black.

Yeah, she was black Trump is white. Okay, it's so gay. She's making fact checking. She was white. Yeah, she was making fact checking. No orange. Well, Trump is orange, yes. Good point. So as we discussed, it's black and orange. Black and orange, yes. Orange is the new black, yes.

That's what people said when Trump got elected. I love it. After Obama oranges the new black. Like, hey, hey, we get our jokes when we can. So not any of our jokes, by the way. You're right. That's not our jokes. Nope, nope. They're just jokes when we can. So not any of our jokes, by the way. You're right, that's not our joke. Nope, nope, nope.

They're just jokes in the world. Just color puns. There you go. Unrelated to humanity. Right. I would love to have a bumper sticker that said, not color jokes, just color puns. No, not, what was it?

Not what jokes? Not racist jokes, just color puns. Yeah. That'd be a great bumper sticker to have. That's kind of beautiful. Yeah, that'd be a great bumper sticker. That's kind of beautiful. Yeah, that encapsulates a comedian's thought behind everything. So sorry. No problem. So this is where it all ties back to Mueller.

As we discussed in previous episodes, Trump's personal attorney, Michael Cohen, paid off Storming Daniels in 2016. And even though AMI was not party to this contract, we now have three separate instances where Trump associates have paid off people to suppress embarrassing stories about Trump during the 2016 presidential election. It's crazy.

So I'm just going to skip through a lot of this information that I could talk about for days. But let's go ahead and just go down to the fact that the AMI has a history of going pretty much not just with the killing catch practices, but I'm sorry, catch and kill practices. Kill and kill. Get your order. Shoot first.

Ask questions. It's very important, me. Say it in the right order. I don't like running around. Kill and then catch them. Like shoot them in the middle. I got you. That's not.

That's cheating. Yes. Definitely. So they also, AMI has a history of basically trying to prevent other news agencies from running the story. So the AP ran a story on Thursday, the Associated Press, describing the payment to Dino and the legal obstacles they encountered along the way.

The story says, quote, during AP's reporting, AMI threatened legal action over reporters' efforts to interview current and former employees and hired the New York law firm, Boy Schiller Flexer or a pecker cock and weiner. Boy Schiller Flexer? Yeah, that's a real one. Which challenged the accuracy of the API's report or APS reporting. So the FEC now might be able to investigate whether the payments to Clifford and McDougall violated federal election law since Trump didn't include them on his financial disclosure forms.

And as we've discussed before, the federal election law bars individuals from making contributions of more than $5,400 to a candidate during an election cycle. 5,400. 5,400 is the cap. So the pattern here just seems to be that. For everyone. Yeah,,400 is the cap. So the pattern here just wraps. So for everyone.

Yeah, absolutely. For every single person, the pattern here seems to be that Trump and its associates use third parties to pay off individuals with information that may harm Trump. And that to me, sounds like a pretty relevant case for obstruction of justice. No. But that's what I got.

That's right. Yeah. Thank you so much. Yes. Really interesting reporting. That was great. Yeah. Thank you so much. Really interesting reporting. All right, you guys, that brings us to our major discussion of the week. I can't believe I just said that.

Just shoot me. Hey, we're rubbing off on you. I know. I have young people around me now and I think you're abbreviating everything. I'm like, check out the sood that we just did with our discussion fantastic, off V Toads cute.

I love it. That's actually did. Yeah. We did. Yeah, we did. We did. Yeah. We did. Yeah. We did. Yeah. We did. Yeah.

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Like we've been waiting for 24 weeks. Like, come on, get it, do it. And here we are, it's all the floodgates of opens. Jordan, you have a story about Wattnick, a friend of your bestie, Nunez. I hear. Let us know. Apparently, let us know.

Yeah, so Mr. Ezra Cohen Wattnick was a pointed very Jewish man. Yeah, it is. Yeah. And woman is combined. Oh yeah. Which is totally fine. It's totally, oh yeah.

Do you, oh yeah. No judgment, just really impressed. Me, you, and the only, you know what, Dallas? Yeah. Oh, put some beans on it. Yeah, okay. I should have done it. Sorry, can we do it?

Yeah, we want to end. You don't have to delete this at all, just what? And Dallas? Put some beans on me. Oh, yes, that's what I was looking for. That's the publicly correct version of that. Yeah. Because you're absolutely welcome. Yeah, absolutely.

You're all welcome. Sing your complaint. The Jordan. Uh-huh. All right, so I was just hissing from my throat if you'd like to cut that out. Yeah. It was supposed to be a Jew sound.

You had a great throat. No, it was last week. Oh, yeah. It was bubbled up from the depths of my fucking Yeah, and it wasn't cut out. No, don't cut it out. Leave it actually go back I thought about going to a doctor about go back and listen to episode 23 and see if you can find it And then find it record it and then tweet at us at muller she wrote oh god, and I will I don't know Did you some clappy hands and respond.

Yeah, I'll leave that shit in there. Thank you. All right, so as you're Cohen Wattnik was appointed as the national security advisor to Jeff Sessions, Attorney General Jeff Sessions. A time of two? I do not recall. God, the worst catchphrases ever.

Right next to the cacaoi. Pretty, pretty accent, but just he's such a dick. He gives southerners a really bad name. Yeah, like a debut talent bail. You give southerners a bad name. It's true. And so this guy was selected by sessions because he's kind of known for being really tough on Russia and China, I guess.

He's 31 years old, not being ages, but that was the issue with the previous office that he held that caused a lot of controversy, which was when he was the senior Trump and Flynn appointed him as the senior director for intelligence for the National Security Council, and they oversee covert action and other intelligence programs. So the issue with this guy was that this position is typically filled with a multi-decade long veteran and this guy was 31 and very inexperienced. Hey, he's not under 30 everything's fine. That's true. It's like the PPO. Yeah 30 under 30

Yeah, I hate the ages element of it But there is just something to be said for wisdom when you're talking about war against humanity. You are right. Really, uh... Look, when I have to admit that when I was under 30, I would not have hired me to do the job that I'm doing right now. And it's not because I was not smart. It was because I just didn't have the experience. Yeah, exactly. I was not drinking that. I was not drinking that. Drinking and partying for nights a week. So you gotta live. Yeah. Rocking the bass. Yeah. With that work life balance doesn't mean shit until you're in your 40s. And you know, yeah, truth. Yeah, exactly. Because

it's all it's all life before. Yeah. So this guy is supposed to be advising sessions on counterintelligence and counterterrorism. So pretty important job. He was replaced from his, when he got taken out of his previous position, McMaster did that. So he's McMaster is the guy that replaced Flynn, right? And then who is gone now? And he was, yeah, I was now gone. Now it's John Bolton.

And we had hope for McMaster because he was actually intelligent. I like McMaster. Yeah, McMaster, belly and lattice. Or like the three amigos of... And Tillerson I had hope for. I don't know about that. It was just me. I'm alone.

Alone wolf in that. You're a nice person I guess. Maybe because he's an outsider and he didn't have anything to do with anything. Yeah. He felt us to. Yeah, for sure. So, Mr. Cohen Wannick was outed in August 2017 as part of the changes in the White House when McMaster comes in and is apparently one for qualified candidates.

So, not good news. Not good news for him. It's really hard for Trump to find qualified candidates. And it always has been. It's been hard for him to find qualified judges. It's been hard for him to find qualified white house staffers. Everyone beats women and breaks glass doors and smashes people in the eye. Launders money. Of a margarita glass and or is his son or It just like he has a really hard time finding people who are legit to to work in these positions Yeah, and and he he's blamed or he's he's accused Mueller and Mueller's team several times of being biased and Democrat and it's like well, I'm sorry that the brightest minds legal minds in the country

are liberals. Yeah, exactly. So anyway, sorry. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, it's fine. We sound like Hillary. We're like, the people that voted for me, they were progressive. The thing is though, some patterns are just new sounds like Hillary. I do, yeah, sorry. You're right. I should take the blame for all that. So just kidding. Yeah, well typically also what Trump has an act for is picking people like it swept up in all these huge public scandals and the political and social alike. And Mr. Cohen Wanig did get swept up in a sort of scandal, and this was in 2017 when Trump accused Obama's administration of wiretapping his phones at Trump Tower. So of course when Trump makes his allegations, David Nunez, good old David Nunez comes in.

Yeah. Nunez came to him and said, Oh my God, they're tapping you when they were actually just had a fight so worn out on, you know, our buddy Carter Page, who was gone from the campaign at that point. And when Nunez comes out with this bolstering everything that Trump's saying, he says that he had evidence that Trump's communications were swept up in surveillance, surveillance technologies by American spy agencies. And at the time, Nunez did not divulge the sources of this, but then he later to American officials later tell the New York Times that Mr. Cohen Wattnick, the subject of this hot note,

had helped print the intelligence reports that later served to be Nunez's proof. So obviously that creates some issues because this revelation shows that Mr. Nunez and one of his aides, Michael Ellis, who was a lawyer in the White House. Stop calling him Mr. Nunez and one of his aides, Michael Ellis, who was a lawyer in the White House. Michael and Mr. Nunez is Devon.

Mr. Nunez. That's that dude in the A. Yeah. Devon? Yeah, I do feel like Mr. is almost too distinguished. It is. It is vital for all these people. So Devon?

Even what did Devon do? Yeah, so good old Debbie Boy. WDDD. Devon and Michael Ellis, a lawyer at the White House Counsel's Office, they were using it's intelligence especially specifically to advance political goals. So right now when we look back on this and we see that this guy is getting appointed to this position, it's like he's getting to do a sort of victory lap in the administration after he was let go. And it's gross.

It's gross. And I hope that all of these investigations just bring everything down. He just doesn't get anything and he has to go home and cry. That's my whole hope. Yeah, Ann Nunez-Liadin said that the information came from whistleblowers.

Nunez-Liadin. What? Yep, he said it came from whistleblowers. Who has lied? He did. What? Yup, he said it came from whistleblowers and it in fact did not. It was coming from people that arguably manufactured the information with their administration. One of the ways it in fact did not is what the f*** is a barrier. Oh my god, that's stupid. I can probably do a great impression of you. We'll figure it out later.

Hell yeah. Well thank you so much'll figure it out later. Hell yeah. Well thank you so much for that. Thank you, George. Welcome. So Dallas has to leave. Sorry. So we're going to record some puts some beans on it. A few different ways.

Yeah. So give me, give me angry put some beans on it. Put some beans on it. Thank you. Now give me some sad put some beans on it. Put some beans on it. Thank you. Now give me some, uh, sad puts some beans on it. Put some beans on it. Now give me some inquisitive puts some beans on it. Put some beans on it? Oh yeah, that's an exasperator one. Give me some, uh, some, give me, uh, uh, like, uh, like a, so mad, put some beans on it. Put some beans on it.

And finally, give me a, I love you, put some beans on it. Put some beans on it. Thank you so much, Dallas, for being here. That is amazing. Dallas, thank you so much. I'm gonna say this is awesome. You guys are great. I'm a big fan of the podcast.

Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, no, this is great. Do guys are great. I'm a big fan of podcasts. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, no, this is great. Do you have any shows coming up? Oh God. What is this going out? What do you want to plug? Do you have a podcast?

I mean, I do a very specific San Diego Sports Podcast. That's fantastic. If you live in San Diego or a country. Fatal of faith. Fatal of thought. Fatal of faith. Any fires. What is your San Diego Sports Podcast?

The Kepp Faith. That is what it's called. It's called the Kep Faith. You can find it on iTunes and Google Play. You can follow me on Twitter, at Dallas underscore, and see if you so choose. And I think the next show I'm doing is April 19th at the Comedy Store.

And San Diego, yeah. San Diego and La Jolla. How's La Jolla Comedy Store? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that'll be fine. I've been there in a few months, so it'll be fine. I have a leader, I'm gonna come see you. Great. I'm doing like a May 17th with mob handsome. I miss that guy

Bob Hanson yeah, you should have him on the podcast They'll just talk about 9-11 conspiracy theory And it's hilarious and you know what I think all I might invite him down I don't know what you guys doing. Hey, we're gonna die. Well, what are you even to work for? You're all dead. We're all dead right now. We're gonna die. Everything's dying. It's so funny. I love it.

All right, well thank you guys for having me. Thank you, Dallas. Thanks, Dallas. Please feel free to share. So don't let the cats in or out when you leave. And I love your face and it's good to see you. And I hope I see you at a show soon. All right, you guys.

Well, that brings us to our major discussion of the week. The FBI raid on Michael Cohen. Michael Cohen pretty much first came to everyone's attention when his name popped up in the steel dossier in January of 2017. When the Buzzfeed, you know, they published it, we all got to see it for the first time. Trump and his lesser demons have decried the dossier as fake news and a failing pile of garbage since before it was even published. The dossier talked about a clandestine meeting in Prague in August of 2016 that was allegedly attended by Cohen, two Russians and several Eastern European hackers.

Russians and several Eastern European hackers. They met at a cultural center called Rosal Thru-Duc Nistvo. I'm going to try it again. Rosal Thru-Duc Nistvo. It's really bad. Thank you. I speak German much better. They did that. They met at the cultural center so that they could say they were just being cultural if they got caught, right? So they did that. They met at the cultural centers so that they could say they were just being cultural if they got caught, right? So they're all about plausible deniability. The dossier said Cohen and a Russian were discussing how to make cash payments to Russian hackers working to undermine Hillary and how they could be paid with deniable cash, right? Because cash is the way you pay everyone if you don't want anyone to know what you're doing.

Right, no paper trail. Exactly. So they also talked about how to sweep it all under the rug and cover their tracks. And how they could hide in Bulgaria. That was another thing. We could lay a little in Bulgaria. Well, this past, everyone loves Bulgaria.

This past Monday, there was a no-knock raid at Cohen's door. The FBI raided his home, his office, and the hotel he was staying in while his house was being remodeled. News trickled out all week about what the FBI was searching for and what they found. The first news story said that this wasn't Mueller, right? This has got nothing to do with Mueller. Mueller had found some things in the course of his Russia investigation, took it to Rosenstein, and they decided together that this was a dish better served by the US attorney in the Southern District of New York.

Yeah. I have a feeling that Mueller and Rosenstein decided that even though anything arising from the course of the investigation is fair game, anything arising is fair game for special counsel. They wanted to avoid any appearance of violating the scope, so they handed it off. They handed it... They... They handed it all. Yeah, it makes sense. During the Clinton investigation, Ken started this.

He began with a real estate deal, a white water, and he ended up on Lewinsky in the Blue Dress, and he caught a lot of flack for that divergence. So in this case, they figured best to hand it off. Of course, Trump was seething seething. Fuming. Fuming, I'm fuming. About the raids. He went on TV and did that thing where he sits at a large conference table with his, like he's on celebrity apprentice, with his arms crossed and his dentures falling out.

And he talked, yeah, yeah. And he talked about how the FBI broke into Cohen's house despite Cohen saying the FBI was polite. And Trump kept repeating that Cohen is a good man. He's a good man. He's a great man Which is what he kept saying about Manafort and Flynn and Flynn after they got arrested and oh those people in Charlottesville They're Nazis. Yeah, oh fine people people on both sides The next day we learned the FBI was looking for communications about stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal But that seemed weird to me like a no-knock raid I was looking for communications about Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougall. But that seemed weird to me. Like a no-knock raid for campaign violation

for playboy model, for paying a playboy, like a no-knock raid for that, like it would have much. I get the no-knock raid for Manafort, but what, it seemed weird. Then we heard the FBI was looking for communications about the access Hollywood tapes. That's the one where Trump told Billy Bush, he grabs women by the pussy.

Right, Bush, yes. Bush. Sorry, I just think it's so funny his name is Billy Bush. Yeah, I was talking about you, it is. Billy Bush is the name that I would think would grab me by the pussy for sure. Yeah, totally. Yeah, yeah.

Billy Bush. Yeah. Anyway, the thing is, I remembered that the wiki dump of the pedestrian emails happened less than 30 minutes after the release of the access Hollywood tapes. And perhaps they were looking for communication, so in coordination between Trump AIDS and wiki leaks to strategically release these emails. Dallas? Oh, he left. Oh, no. Put some beans on it. Yeah. I can only hear the birds chirping in the background. Then the news dropped that Berman was recused from this raid. Berman is the US attorney in New York, Southern District. He was hand picked by Trump after he fired Barara.

Oh yeah. And I believe he's recused because he's a Trump supporter and a donor with ties to Rudy Giuliani. And he may be a subject in the raid himself. Dallas. What? Put some beans on it. So sad he's gone, because this is this big moment.

I know, there's all the beans pudding. There's a lot of beans in this part. I don't know if you guys remember, but Giuliani may have put a mole in the GSA to protect the Trump transition emails from ever going public, but remember that guy died and Mueller just walked in and asked for those emails. So perhaps Berman is tied to that, which could make him a suspect. Finally, it was reported that the FBI seized tapes

from Cohen, a phone conversation, specifically with another lawyer named Keith Davidson. You guys are gonna flip out about this. Keith Davidson represented three women we know of so far, Stormy Daniels, Karen McDougall, and the Brody abortion lady. They all ended up getting payouts for their silence. It sounds to me like Davidson and Cohen had a deal together.

And they might face Riko charges. That's racketeering charges because that's a racket. Then Friday, they announced that Cohen is now a target in a criminal investigation, which is more than Trump is. Trump's just a subject. I'm just a subject. I'm not a target. I love being a subject. I love subjects. They're so great. They're so fantastic. I'm the best subject, the greatest. Anyway, the FBI was forced to do a no-knock raid because they were able to prove that a

federal judge that Cohen would likely destroy important evidence. He would destroy evidence if they didn't just come in and take it. So not only is Cohen probably facing wire fraud, election fraud, FEC violations, campaign finance fraud, computer fraud, money laundering, racketeering charges. But any communications found that cover conspiracy with Trump or Russia, you know, with Wigileaks and I don't know, that will likely be handed back to Mueller. Trump is reportedly said that if he sees the Cohen probe as a bigger threat than Russia, which is interesting.

That is very, just because of all the information he has. Yeah. Trump says this is bigger than Russia. Cohen is bigger than Russia. Who's that? Sorry, not Trump. Trump said that. Yeah.

I doubt it, but do you guys think the feds could flip Cohen? Oh, yeah. They'll flip him over and bend him over. Yeah. I think it's Steve. Do you guys know? Do you guys think the feds could flip Cohen? Oh, yeah. They'll flip him over and bend him over. Yeah, I think it's Steve. First thing, I didn't mean any about that. They'll get him the same thing, you know what I mean. Yeah, I think for me, I would have to know what they're legally allowed to take from what

they find in actual, and like actually prosecute him with. Well, we'll talk about this in a little bit, but apparently he has not been an attorney for the last three years. Oh my God, I just had a guy, right? Just turning a friend. My attorney client privilege doesn't. Exactly. They don't need much to get him to think about it.

But I mean, but here's the other thing too. If you, even if you are an attorney, if you are conspiring to commit crimes, that's not covered by a client privilege. It's like your doctor when they have doctor client or vision privileges when you're saying you're gonna sell for someone else that goes out the window.

Right, they have to report it if you're a threat to someone else. Yeah, it makes sense. Or just society. Yeah. I don't know. I just think it's insane. Yeah, that is.

Anyway, knowing how loyal Cohen is to Trump, do you think he could flip? I think he could flip. I think he's loyal to Trump's money. Is he beholden to Russia in a way that's scary, like Manifort? I don't know about that. I haven't heard anything about that.

He's been a middleman, it seems, but I don't know about beholden, I think. I don't know. I don't know. I think he's just beholden to Trump. Yeah, Trump's bank account. Either way you guys Cohen is Fuck

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Are you ready for the fantasy indictment, Lee? Yeah! Are you ready for the fantasy indictment league? Yeah. Yeah. All right, I don't know you guys. It feels like someone took a bat this week and hit the hornet's nest. I'm hoping for some indictments of the Russians who hacked the Podesta and DNC and DCCC. Yeah.

Along with perhaps Stone and WikiLeaks. Maybe they'll drop soon. I don't know. What do you guys think? I'm hoping the same thing. It's over-do. We're already pissed off. We already know what they did.

Yeah. We're ready. It's time to go up that first. Yeah, we've been talking about that. They're not even big fish, so I don't know what the whole thing is. I feel like he was about to world-bred up Chris. Oh, cold and distracted him. He'd's warmed up Chris and then Trump drops him shit Right, like I feel like things went down and he was like off

I saw a thread on Reddit that said um, it's a quote or a Trump quote It said you can't get indicted if you keep giving him things. Yeah, investigate You know, that's really true. Yeah, you asked me that were like, well, how can we turn in a report if we keep doing the things? Yeah. So, I don't know, we'll figure it out. It's tricky. But I'm hoping for indictments,

like I said, I want them to drop. I really, we need them to drop. We're ready. It's so much momentum. It would really help out a lot, Mueller, if you would. If you would just do the thing. Or a little birdie and Mueller's ear to somebody, to his past on the word.

Well, a lot of that has to do, a lot of it hinges on this week's sabotage. Alright you guys just before recording, Cohen was ordered to appear in court Monday. It turns out that's today if you're listening to this. It turns out Cohen may not have been an attorney for the past few years. You don't even go here. She doesn't even go here. She doesn't even go here. I just wish we could all get along like we used to in middle school. I wish that I could make a cake made out of rainbows and smiles and we'd all need to be happy. She doesn't even go here.

Do you even go to this school? No. I just have a lot of feelings. Okay, go home. So Monday, Cohen is required to provide a list of clients to the court, to the judge. Because yesterday in court, Cohen's attorney tried to assert that the documents and tapes seized aren't admissible

because of attorney client privilege. We call that ACP. When they were asked who Cohen's clients were, the judge was like, who's your clients? The lawyers for Cohen, Cohen wasn't there. The lawyers for Cohen's couldn't answer the question. I like, we don't even know. Yeah.

How lazy is that? I can't tell you, I don't even know. And that pissed off the judge. She was mad, right? I love this lady. I love lady touches. So she's I don't even know. And that pissed off the judge. She was mad, right? I love this lady. I love lady judges. So she's not biased. I know.

I have a thing for Judge James. Yeah, I had a female judge and she gave me a citation. I still loved her because she was a lady. Oh, I thought you had a female judge. Oh, like I had a female judge. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no and she's ordered Cohen himself to appear, not his lawyer. So she can get a list of his clients and she's required that as well. Cohen's lawyers are also trying to say that any communications seized involving Trump

are not admissible because they are protected by ACP, attorney, client, privilege. But the government hasn't even gotten the evidence yet. It's still with the Taint Team. I love this fucking term Taint Team. I really do. I really do. So the Taint Team comes in, they gout, there's a clean team who cleans it.

And then they send it all over to the clean coal. And they send it all over the Taint Team. And the Taint Team decides what is attorney client privilege and what is not covered by attorney-client privilege. They will hand over to the government. So the government doesn't even get to see anything and they still don't have it. So I don't know. It's crazy. It's ridiculous. Co-in lawyers are trying to say that any communication seized involving Trump are not admissible because they're protected. But as I said, the government has not even seen or gotten the evidence. Right.

They're waiting. Right. Taint team. So Cohen was already on my fantasy indictment team, but this moves him to quarterback. Really. Also, since the bombing in Syria began yesterday last night, so has the Russian dozen from Asia campaign, the Pentagon reports that there has been a 2,000% increase in Russian trolls in the last 24 hours.

So while Mr. Trump thinks his mission is accomplished, like George Bush, Mr. Kaplish, Mr. Kaplish. Stay the course. His failure to address the attacks from Russia will ensure their continued efforts in attacking us. I hate so much that they think that the threat from Syria is so, I don't know, important or relevant that they have to stand 112 missiles over there and spend, you know, $200 million. But that they, he doesn't take, seriously, at all, the threat

from Russia attacking us because he just doesn't, he's too old to understand that, because it's computers, it's not dangerous. That's our downfall right there. That's America's downfall list. We don't see that. It's his downfall. He's our president unfortunately. Yeah, but it's not our downfall. The rest of the world is gonna look at it. It belongs to us. We know that. I know that and you know that, but the rest of the world is gonna make sure it's gonna blame. Then we need to make sure it's our son. We need to. We really gotta make it clear. I don't know, it really upsets me. It does, me too. Yeah. Alright you guys, let's go to questions.

Oh yeah, bring it down a notch. Do that. Nice. Yeah, boom. Take it out. Nice smooth landing. Mm-hmm. Annie Goldman, who people think I am, but then at Annie Goldman, 82 asked why do I simultaneously feel pumped that Muller's got this and

that Trump will absolutely get away with numerous crimes. Oh no. I feel that. So she's pumped about muller. I think what Trump will get away with are actually not crimes. Oh no, this is what I said. Oh, that's what my thought was. Yeah, but you know, she has a legitimate

point. What she says, why do I feel like Mueller's got this and that Trump will get away with this shift. Yeah, like both. Yeah. Yeah. I feel the same way. It's a duality of feelings. And I think that yeah, Mueller does have this in the bag. But what does it matter? Yeah. Well, the problem is is that what what Trump will be charged with and what Trump will get away with are two different things. The things that Trump will be charged with are, you know, I mean, laws that currently exist. The reason we don't have laws against what Trump has done is because it's never been done before. Right. So the major violations of, I don't know, human decency that Trump has committed will not actually be crimes.

I remember talking last week about how the DOJ is starting to see collusion as a crime with Russia. And it's a new thing. And I'm hoping that it actually is. Because if it's not, then his only crimes are, you know, obstruction of justice maybe yeah, yeah exactly the thing Computer fraud and abuse act Rico you know fairer the fist things that you know that are laws But what we have never had before is someone who's conspired with a foreign adversary to Win an election a presidential election. All turn an election.

That's intense. It's top level. How much higher could you get? But what crime is that? It's a new crime and you know what, I'm all for making new laws. And I'm hoping that Mueller sees it as such and charges and it has to go up to the Supreme Court

and is litigated and becomes a law. How is that not espionage? Thank you. Good point. I think it's just too broad for people to know how to interpret it sometimes, but yeah, I agree with you. It totally is, being an ash.

I don't know how it's not. Yeah, I don't know how to get litigated as espionage. I'm excited to see what the law is. I almost want to go law school. Yeah, fuck yeah. I'm sure there's a huge uptake right now in enrollment. Oh, I bet. Yeah. I want to go to law school. I'm just like, this is crazy. I'm sure there's a huge uptake right now in enrollment. Oh, I bet. Yeah.

I want to go. Yeah. I've already got 86 degrees, but let's go. Yeah. That's so true. At Lakote wants to know, quote, what is the confidence level that the Syrian attack was just a dog and pony show to distract us from Trump's legal issues

and make it seem that Trump is not colluding with Russia. Well, remember, we coordinated with Russia so that they could get their shit out, but that's pretty normal. We don't want to engage Russia, but the simple existence of Trump as our president will give some in the global community, if not most, in the global community, and here at home, the idea that this was all just a distraction, even if it wasn't, even if it was completely, even if Trump was a hundred percent in it to win it,

like just to be great and do the right thing, the, there will still be a perception that he did this to distract people because he is who he is. That is what makes him dangerous. His character history? Yeah, it's connecting dots. At a certain point, he may be the boy that cried wolf, right?

He may have actually done so many bad things that by the time that he's innocent of anything, we're just not gonna believe him. Oh yeah, it's not only that, but him being who he is, it just makes it unreliable. You're totally right. Yeah. Yeah, sucks. Seth Taylor at Seth underscore Taylor asked, what are the chances Cohen rolls on someone? That's...

I love this. I'm hoping with every fiber of my being that everything that they're getting on Cohen right now, which is a lot, will cause him to roll on Trump. Yeah, and everyone. Yeah, it's also not a coincidence that he announced a pardon of Scooter Libby after their raid on Cohen's office. And that Cohen said that the FBI investigation or the raid was actually very polite and courteous and professional. So maybe all of these things are signs that Cohen has options. I think the whole thing about

Exactly what you just said Julie said the fact that he's like, oh, they were so great nice He's to eat. I think he's ready to go out of the waters. Yeah, no, I think he's just all in Divided in ready to cooperate. I love so I would be would you save me for this? Even if you even if you were a Diabolical bullshit asshole thug would you Oh, you mean if I told the truth about this one guy I could go free Is it that simple? Yeah with Muller I can do you really think that he's

Integrity at all not at all. He's a lot of fuck though. Okay. He's loyal to you loyal as fuck He's like you were watch house of cards, but Okay, he's loyal too. He's loyal as fuck. He's like, you were watch house of cards. But yes. He's like that guy that was under underwood. What was his name again? The one that I was reading the murder. They told Russians to watch house of cards. No way.

Yeah, they did. They told Russians. Reality is stranger than fiction man. I can't, I can't. They said if you want to know it to do watch house of cards. There's a Putin character in house of cards and he's just like him. Yeah.

I love that. Mm-hmm. Squid pro crow. he's just like him. Yeah. I love that. Mm-hmm. Squid Pro Crow. That's Chalupa Cabrote. He changed his name to Squid Pro Crow. Oh my God. Yeah. In a recent episode, the impeach versus in Dite conversation, can they do both? Impeach and remove and then prosecute for actual crimes.

Yeah, of course. Technically, will they? Will the house remove? If the investigation is still ongoing and they get impeached within that time. Yeah, or if he doesn't get impeached, if nothing happens to him, he can still be charged every citizen unless somebody pardons them. The end game can be the same. Yeah. That would just why they're trying to do it in state court too.

And there's plenty of state crimes though. Oh, countless. That he's broken. So. Sister reliability asked, quote, can you please do a live show? And can we all hang out together and cry afterwards and then smoke up? Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Hey, dude, we'll have our new sponsor do it. Are we allowed to say that yet? Oh, not yet. Oh, OK, we can edit that out. Or keep it a secret. We'll just keep it a secret. I like that. New sponsor.

Mm-hmm. Stephen at Verbal Jungle says, quote, we talked about Schiller being the guy that threatened Stormy, but someone pointed out that she met Schiller before, and this was someone she'd never met before. Okay. Someone else, throughout Sater, but that feels wrong.

My guess is that someone, it's someone else, but they can't discuss it because maybe he might be Cooperating against Maniford or someone we haven't heard of yet. I You know what you're that's a good point. I thought for sure it was Schiller, but she stormy already new Schiller Exactly. So she would have been able to identify Schiller. Good investigative work by the way. Who was that? That was a Steve verbal jungle very nice Yeah, it's good citizen Dane asked is Michael Cohen fun Good investigative work by the way, who was that? That was a Steve verbal jungle. Very nice. Yeah. That's good.

Citizen Dane asked, is Michael Cohen fucked? Yes. The answer is yes. See you a few minutes ago. Totally. Michael Cohen is fucked. Fucked. This is great.

This is my new favorite thing. I loved your ending. Fucked. This is great. This is my new favorite thing. I loved your ending. Fucked. This is great. This is my new favorite thing. I loved your ending. Fucked. Slow cherry on tap.

At Samira LV says, quote, We have heard that Mueller isn't going to interview the president anymore. Is this more or less indicative that Mueller will recommend impeachment for obstruction? And if Rosenstein agrees and sends it to Congress, will he be more or less likely to be fired? Well, first of all, he has to send it to Congress. By law, Mueller has to turn it into Rosenstein. And by law, Rosenstein has to inform the gangivate, not the gangivate, the four majority

and four minority leaders of the house Judiciary a judiciary Senate judiciary House intelligence and Senate intelligence exactly those four people have to know about it now We're not included in indictment. I think at this point. It's it's not it we can't say it's a recommendation for impeachment Right, so we it's kind of hard to say if this changed if him not in being interviewed makes a difference because I think Mola was going to do what he was going to do regardless, right? That's what I would hope so yeah, I don't I don't think Trump not doing the interview changes that in game and I think yeah I think it's likely that he could just do it all pull it all off and still in nightmare or still recommend that impeachment for the yeah the groups well

He's about to Recommend you think he's like peach super close Like you feel it in your loins Gird your loins. Yeah, I think it's this month wow If Rosenstein agrees to send it to Congress which he has to he asked it would not full Congress but the four mm-hmm And and they asked if he does send it to Congress will he be more likely to be fired or less likely? I think he'd be less likely to be fired because once you want to, yeah, but once you send that shit over to Congress, then firing him is more of an obstruction of justice.

But the GOP doesn't give up, fuck. Yeah, but it's more of an obstruction of justice than a less. You're right. Would they dig a deeper hole, I think so. What did dig a deeper hole? Dig a deeper hole. Dig a deeper hole. Dig a deeper hole.

Perl. Yeah. Dig a deeper hole. Dig a deeper hole. Yeah. Dig a deeper hole. Dig a deeper hole. Dig a deeper hole.

Dig a deeper hole. Dig a deeper hole. Yeah. Dig a deeper hole. Dig a deeper hole. Dig a deeper hole. Dig a deeper hole. Dig a deeper hole. Dig a deeper hole. Dig a deeper hole. Dig a deeper hole. Dig a deeper hole. Dig a deeper hole. GOP-controlled house passes it. Can that be brought up again after the next election, if the Dems take the house,

or does the president get like a no double jeopardy thing? Oh, I don't know. I don't think double jeopardy applies to impeachment. Really? Or any. It's not a general legal thing. No, it's not a trial. Oh, so there's no trial, legal.

Congressional, no, it's congressional. Okay, I'm about to ask. We gotta lick that up. We gotta ask our partner. Yeah, our lawyer friend. Yeah. Well, our story partner. Mm-hmm.

Hello. Uh, Pavivas, P-A-V-I-V-A-S. What, P-A-V-A-S, says quote, thanks for all you do. And let's bring the orangutan down. Yes. By the way, orangutans, nothing wrong with them. But yes, Trump is an animal,

like in the very negative sense, not in the neutral. We have to protect ourselves. Are people gonna hate us or saying orangutan? We're a monkey. We're a monkey. We're usually the place. We get to the place where like, sorry, no, we love orangutan love.

Yeah. Up at hashtag, orangutan love. AtYagerman asked, quote, do you think Priebus gave up Cohen? Mm, no. Okay. I think Cohen gave up. Yeah, good point.

But yeah, Priebus will collaborate some shit. Exactly. As the mole. Molle molle. Molle. Steven, sorry, Stefan, 68 says, you crew rock, keep it up and thank you. Also, best opening sound bite montage ever five stars

Yeah, it's well agent thought of that idea and I whipped it up, but yes, that was my vision. Mm-hmm. It was executed by I friend Thank you very much. Oh, yeah Ian Harvey. Oh God. I love Ian so much. Ian's the man. He asked quote After the Cohen raid if the FBI comes across shit unrelated to Stormy Daniels, can they turn it back over to Mueller? Absolutely. Oh, yes. Actually, I think they have to. And they haven't looked at it yet, but everything they get from Cohen, if it's not, if the Taint Team, Taint Team did it. That should be the new X-Men. We're going to get a theme song, yeah. If the if the Tain team You know after they go through everything and they turn over everything is not a turning client privilege

And they give it over and then they you know give it to the feds and then the feds look at it and they go Shit 30% of this has to do with Russia. They I think they have to turn it back over to Mueller. Exactly. Or it would just be the best thing. Right, it would only make sense. I don't see why they wouldn't. Alexander FMR said, quote, je voua d'or. I love your podcast. I don't speak French.

I do speak French. Is it je voua d'or? Yeah, je vues à d'or. Oh, thank you. Very nice, Jordan. Y a fliebadi. I'll do my German. It's French. French leave a deep. I'll do my German.

French fries. French fries. French fries. French fries. French fries. To drink. Peru. Anyway, she loves our podcast.

Thank you. Thank you. The deep magic wants to know why I have so much faith in the Romney 9. This is a good question. Yeah. I don't have faith in the Romney 9. That's a good question. Yeah. I don't have faith in the Romney 9 at all. What's so ever? I'm just hoping.

I'm just hoping that Romney gets in there and turns eight other people around that can remove Trump. Does he not have anyone yet? Oh, well, there's plenty of people in the Senate who hate Trump. Yeah, I believe he has been to people too. But if he wins and he goes in, his whole deal is to get nine people to vote him out. And all he has to do is leverage some big policy move that would be really beneficial to all their re-election.

Absolutely. And we don't have them. Absolutely. Or not. I mean, you could just be like, don't be a dick. And, you know, do this thing. That's a nice campaign slogan. Don't be a dick.

JC Duelos won wants to know if we have peace of mind that the FBI rated Cohen. Not yet, but it's getting there, right? He says it seems that because this is a separate investigation, Trump is screwed. Even if Trump fired Rosenstein or, and or Muller the FBI investigation will continue Yeah, yeah, even if Muller's fired he has other people too that can There's put it up and I think that that was a Rosenstein and Muller's whole point. Yeah, whatever's not about Trump Russia Let's send over here and whatever is it's it's not even delegate. It's not about Trump Russia. Let's send over here. Delegate. And whatever it is, it's not even delegate. It's hand off to the appropriate-

Department- Investigators. Paranof, yeah. We don't want to be viewed as someone who's investigating shit. We don't. That's outside of our scope. Even though it's within our scope, totally 100%. Right.

He can do everything. I don't know. Finally, at Cage 23, once to now quote, when exactly did we cross into the mirror universe? And how are we going to get back without a sport drive? She a Rick and Morty fan. Look, easy. Polarretcon to reset the old canon by traveling back in time.

Of course, you can create two alternative timelines, one in which we don't exist at all By altering major events like Tasha Yare and yesterday's enterprise or the city on the edge of forever Where they had to kill Edith Keeler or return to their existence But I think people from the reset timelines can still exist and You know in the reset and the first JJ Abrams movie is a good example of that. So sling shot around the sun, bro. Anyway, that's our show. I like that a lot.

You know, I just want to let you know. That's time travels a thing. Yeah, that was very creative and beautiful. Thank you. Guys, that's our show. I've been A.G. I've been Julie Sujanson. I'm Jordan Coburn.

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