Jack - Fusion GPS Transcripts

Episode Date: January 15, 2018

This week, we discuss Bill Browder’s ongoing battle with Fusion GPS, the “delightful” Mr.Epshteyn, and highlights from the recently released Fusion GPS transcripts. Enjoy!  Also, remember once we reach 10,000 likes on FB and 10,000 followers on Twitter, we will give one lucky listener a brand new PS4! Follow/Like us today!

I'm Greg Oliar. Four years ago, I stopped writing novels to report on the crimes of Donald Trump and his associates. In 2018, I wrote a best-selling book about it, Dirty Rubles. In 2019, I launched Proveil, a biweekly column about Trump and Putin, spies and mobsters, and so many traders! Trump may be gone, but the damage he wrought will take years to fully understand. Join me, and a revolving crew of contributors and guests as we try to make sense of it all. This is Preveil. So to be clear, Mr. Trump has no financial relationships

with any Russian oligarchs. That's what he said. That's what he said. That's what I said. That's obviously what our position is. I'm not aware of any of those activities. I have been called a surrogate at a time of truth in that campaign, and I didn't have, and I have communications at the Russians.

What do I have to get involved with Putin for having nothing to do with Putin? I've never spoken to him. I don't know anything about a mother than he will respect me. Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. So, it is political.

You're a communist! No, Mr. Green. Communism is just a red herring. Like all members of the oldest profession I'm a capitalist. I'm a communist. I'm a capitalist. Hi, welcome to Muller She Wrote. I'm AG. I have to go by AG because of the Hatch Act. I know I explain this every time, but in case you're coming in episode 11, which is where we are now.

I want to explain to you that basically I work for the Fennel government. I'm pretty high up. I'm seven degrees from Trump himself and so I'm not allowed to associate my name with or my title with the federal government with anything political and this can be construed as political. So for ethical purposes, I'm AG. And with me as always is Jolissa. Say hi Jolissa. Hey. How's it going? Good. And Jordan? Hello. Hello. Alright, so today I've asked Jolissa to cover the battle between Bill Browder. And if you remember Bill Browder, if you want to right now take a break, hit pause and go listen to episode 2, the Magnitski Act, Bill Browder was a guy who testified in front of the Senate Judiciary for quite a while, eight hours. He is an expat.

He gave up his citizenship in 98 and he runs something called Hermitage Capital and that's pretty much an offshore, like hedge fund and he invests in a lot of different countries and stuff like that. And he is the one who spearheaded the Magnetski Act because his buddy, his lawyer, who helped him find fraud in the Russian government. He uncovered it. he was arrested and beaten and taken a jail and so that's why we have the Magnetski Act in. So that's who Bill Browder is and he's had this ongoing battle with Fusion GPS and as you know the Fusion GPS transcripts were released this week and it's an interesting when we hear Bill Browder's story and we're like oh

Billy you're the best and then we hear Fusion's story which Browder's story, we're like, oh, Bill, you're the best. And then we hear Fusion's story, which I'll go over later, and you're like, oh, Bill, you're kind of a slimy dude. So, we're gonna talk about that today. And Jordan, she's gonna be talking about the delightful Mr. Epstein. He's such a winner. Yes.

Oh my God, I hate that. He's all around. He's so creepy. So, anyway, that. He's so creepy. So anyway, that's our show. I'll be reporting on my findings from the Fusion GPS transcripts that were released by Diane Feinstein in an N-Run around Senator Grassley

in the Senate Judiciary Committee. So please, I'd like to reiterate to follow us on Twitter. We blew through 1,000 likes on Facebook, which is cool, because once we get to 10,000 on Facebook and So what's the gen in the PlayStation? Somebody's gonna get a PS4. And, but I also have the stipulation that we need to have 10,000 followers on Twitter. And so far you guys, I think we went from 220 to 280, but that's not really good.

It's really good. It is. I guess, okay, okay, but I don't know if that's really gonna, I'm not sure. Maybe I might amend it to 5,000. So we did, we blew through a thousand likes on Facebook. Thank you guys for following us and liking us. But we are lagging in Twitter, so get on Twitter and follow us.

And you have also been subscribing to us on Podbean, which is great, so keep that up. So it's a big news week, so I'm not going to waste any time and let's just get right into it with just the facts. I'm going to fly through these, so stop me if you have any questions. Okay. On Monday, NBC reported that Trump's attorneys are now in negotiations with the Office of the Special Council to set up an interview between Trump and Mueller. It's kind of what we've been waiting for. It kind of came fast. I was a little surprised. Notes on Monday, it was just

reported that they're talking or they're gonna be talking. Also on Monday, the White House re-nominated K.T. McFarland as the ambassador of Singapore. Remember her? Yeah, she's fancy. She was the, she quit as the Deputy National Security Advisor under Flynn. Also, Monday, Dems in the Senate were considering ways to release diffusion GPS transcripts, like tricky ways. A la Senator Gravel. And Senator Gravel was a weird Democrat who ran in 2016, but he was a senator, he was a baby senator during the Pentagon papers. And he was trying to figure out a way to get him into the public record. So he, he, he called a quorum at the Senate and he was just going to read them in the Senate and that would put him in the public record. But when he got there, there weren't 51 senators.

So that, you have to have 51 senators for a quorum. So he was like, shit, what do I do? Well, he was also, he was a baby senator and he wanted to chair committee so they put him in charge of ground buildings and grounds committee which is like you know who knows the law. Who's the janitor contract and stuff like that? So it's a you know it's a committee that for reals. So he's like I know I'll just call my committee to order and I'll read them in the committee. But in the committee, you have to cover business that has to do with the committee. So what he did is he goes, well,

because of all this, you know, budget problems, you know, that are going on right now in the Nixon White House, we don't have the money to take care of buildings and grounds and speaking of the Pentagon who's taking up a lot of our money and then he just launched into the Pentagon papers. You just need a segue as well.

A couple of senators showed up from the committee and they listened to him for about the first four hours and then they bowed out. So he read on into the night to like the point of like 4,000 pages. A hallucination. Yeah. So he was he was reading he was crying at the end because he was so tired. Oh my God.

And he dawned on the calendar. Dawn on him. And he's like, you know what? You know what? I, motion to enter these documents into the public record. Because he, he remembered you can do that. Yeah.

And he goes all in favor. And then he says, I, and then he says, I, and then he goes all opposed, and no one was there to oppose it, so they were entered into the background. He was like, wow. And then in his group, so it was like he unanimously decided by himself.

Yeah, so that's pretty hilarious. So then that was tricky. So then Dennis were considering some sort of trickery like this on Monday. They're like, what can we do to get these fusion? His Chuck Grassley had refused to release the fusion GPS transcripts, even though fusion GPS was cool with it. Glenn Simpson, who was the one who testified, was cool with it. Everybody was cool with it. And so was Grassley, and then Grassley flipped and changed his mind because he's weird.

Man on Tuesday. The thing that reveals about the elections for guarantee. It totally does. But yeah, yeah, I mean, it's because this is the House Intelligence Committee and I think the House is corrupt. More so than the Senate. May that on Tuesday, Diane Feinstein just doesn't end run around the whole thing and just releases own. So hardcore. She's a bad ass.

She knows the rules in decorum of the Senate. And what was interesting is a while back, Chuck Grassley was like, look, you do your own investigation and will do ours to the Democrats. Because if you're a Democrat, if you aren't in the majority in any committee, which is any committee right now, you have to get the approval of the chair.

Even if you're the ranking member, if you're even your top Democrat, you have to get the top Republican, which is any committee right now, you have to get the approval of the chair, even if you're the ranking member, if you're even your top Democrat, you have to get the top Republican, which is grassy. But then grassy's like, you do you, we'll do us. It's a great idea. Thanks. So she just dropped them. She took a lot of, she took a lot of flack for it too,

but she was like, look, this has to get out. Yeah. Also on Tuesday, CNN reports that Don McGahn and HR McMaster are thinking about leaving the White House So that's and I guess it's pretty typical and after one year that they clean house, but we just talked about McGann was it last week? Oh, yeah, yeah McGann is the White House lawyer White House attorney who told everyone in the White House that Flynn was a criminal and Everyone in the White House said oh He never told criminal, and everyone in the White House said, oh he never told us that.

Right, right, right. So McGann is the guy who has the same lawyer, the White House lawyer has a lawyer, and he has the same lawyer as pre-miss. So their stories have to be? Exactly. And H.R. McMaster, so they might leave. Also on Tuesday, Spencer Ackerman reported that early in the Trump administration, a Trump aide floated the idea of withdrawing US troops from the Balkans as a favorite Putin. So that was early on. So that's another possible quid pro quo. And we can think of all the favors that Trump's done for Russia in trying to relieve sanctions, and then this, you know, trying to remove the troops. So he's, you know, there's been a lot of sort of back and forth, but, you know, obviously Mueller's

gonna have to find the documents to tie that all together. Also, Michael Cohen filed a lawsuit against Fusion GPS and Buzzfeed for defamation in the Trump-Russia dossier. So he's gonna actually have to prove that something in the dossier is not true. And you guys remember like a week ago Trump came out and said it's been a year, they've been investigating, it's been a year, no collusion, no collusion, he said no collusion like 900 times, it's no collusion, it's been a year. Well, it's been a year and no one's disproven anything in the dossier. So take that. But yeah, so Cohen filed a lawsuit because Cohen's named in the dossier and he's mad, but he's... Well, do you think they'll only have to verify things pertaining to him since he's the only one in the lawsuit? Right. It would be whatever they said about him. And he would have to disprove it. Yeah, hopefully there's a lot of stuff in there

that relates to Trump. And what's really gonna be interesting is, I think that if anyone, anything in the dossier was disprovable, it would have been disproven by now, because of the huge Republican effort to try to discredit the dossier. Yeah. Like people are trying actively to do that.

They had a little subgroup that Nunez led, that Republicans in the house that were trying to do it, but I think these lawsuits, and I said this last week, they're just going to bolster the investigation. He's going to pursue, he's not going to be able to prove it's not true. That's just going to add credit to the dossier, which is going to add credit to the molar investigation. Yeah, are these lawsuits as a last stand, do you think? Yeah, not so much trying to get ahead of it. Yeah, because exactly if it's just an open up further investigation, that seems like bad moves, but it's all they can do, I guess. Yeah, they don't really have any options left. On Wednesday, Senator Ben Cardin released a report detailing two decades of Putin's attacks on democracy.

In 19 countries calling for policy changes ahead of the 2018 and 2020 elections. Now this reminded me a couple episodes back I talked about when Ray, the director of the FBI, a Trump guy testified to one of the committees. I can't remember if it was Senate or House. And he said, oh, we've put together a multi-agency task force to combat foreign influence it's gonna include the NSA and FBI and CIA and LILA and and everyone was like oh cool so what happened to that so I'm interested in that

I've asked a few of my sources and and everyone's like yeah what happened to that? So it never existed at all and never came together. Not yet. I don't know if he's working on it, but whatever. Also, more bad news for Manifort and Gates, they're being sued by a Russian oligarch named Oleg Derapaska. He sued them in 2014, but that lawsuit disappeared when Manifort became Trump's campaign manager. Well, it's back and they're using the felonies that he's been charged with to previews a shady dude.

So this should be fun. What do I do? Also on Wednesday, Ryan Kay Dickey was added to Mueller's team. Do you guys know who Ryan Dickey is? No. He is a cybersecurity investigative expert. He was added in November, but we just learned about it on Wednesday.

And that's important because he brought down the original goosefer. Okay, if you remember, it was also in November that Mueller began digging into the RNC hacking and the three data mining companies that Kushner was his data analytics companies that he was was, you know, his data analytics companies that he was in charge of, interesting, that they brought out a cybersecurity expert

when they start looking in the RNC hacks. Also, Trump re-nominated Brian Benschkowski to be the assistant attorney general of the criminal division of the DOJ. And here's why that's crazy. I haven't talked about Brian Benschowski before, but early in the spring of 2016, when all this shit was starting to stir up, before the dossier, before steel, before a drug pop a dot mouthed

off to Ossi Downer in the UK pub. The FBI was looking into a Russian bank called Alpha Bank, and it's mentioned in the Fusion GPS transcripts too, because at the beginning of the campaign, the very beginning of the campaign, one of the Trump servers began communicating solely with that bank. And Alpha Bank hired a US lawyer, all US lawyers, including a Trump lawyer by the name of Bench Kowski. Now, at that time, it was right around the time of the transition. So this is, you know, months, months, months later, transition December, October November, December, and Alfa Bank hired Ben Chowski.

So he quit the Trump transition team to go defend Alfa Bank in some money laundering lawsuits. Then after a while, Trump nominated him early on in 2017 to be the Assistant Attorney General of the Criminal Division of the Department of Justice. He was not confirmed because all the senators were like, what? Al Franken was like, wait a minute, let me get this straight. You should see that Al Franken,

look at that Al Franken Benchowski back and forth. It's so funny. He's like, okay, so you defended Alfa Bank in money laundering. You defended Alfa Bank in money laundering, you defended Alpha Bank in money laundering suits. And then, you know, so basically, he wasn't confirmed, but this week Trump re-nominated him for the same position. A guy who represented a Russian bank accused of colluding with the Trump campaign to head the criminal division of the Department of Justice. Wow.

Yeah. It's amazing. I know. He's so balsy. He thinks we won't know. Like we won't figure it out. He's just going to walk in the door and just play the part. Alfred is not there.

So maybe he's like, we'll try again with Alfred. Alfred can get his guess. Because Alfred didn't download everything to the lady coming in anyway. Also, on Wednesday, Chuck Grassley, he's our guy who sent the criminal referral of steel to the Department of Justice who blocked a release of the fusion transcripts. He's the head of the Senate judiciary.

He announced he will honor Christen Jule brand's objection to Trump's nominee for the US Attorney job in the Southern District of New York. So if you remember, if you remember, last year Trump fired 49 US attorneys general and then waited 300 days and then appointed recently 17 replacements. And of note is the one that he's appointing in the Southern District of New York where all Trump's business interests are headquartered. Trump interviewed this guy personally before he

appointed him and this guy also used to work for Giuliani's law firm. Now, presumably, he would do like Trump a lot of favors by not prosecuting him in his home district. Now, Berlin, that's the guy's name. This is the guy the lawyer's name that that Trump nominated. He worked for another then Deutsche Bank. Trump owes Deutsche Bank hundreds of millions of dollars. Deutsche Bank also made a weird $285 million dollar bond to Kushner right before the election, which he failed to report on his financial disclosure form. I mean pretty much everything he failed to report. And Deutsche Bank has paid hundreds of millions of dollars and fines for money laundering. They're well known for it. And two days after Trump appointed Berman, Berman selected his deputy US attorney. And that guy is the former General Counsel

for Deutsche Bank. Jesus Christ. So, Jilla Brand and Chuck Schumer, who were both the New York Senators, were like, they want to formally oppose these nominations. And Trump is like, I don't care. It's called a blue slip, I think. You file a blue slip. But Grassley, who's the one who makes that decision, he says he's gonna honor those objections. Okay. So Trump's guy might not be put into the US attorney

in Southern New York. So that's cool. Yeah, that would be fantastic. And also on Wednesday. Wednesday was a big day. Trump walks back, his promise to interview with Mueller. Do you guys remember this? Uh-huh.

Oh no, we'll see. There was no collusion. So why do we need no interview? No collusion, no interview. I wanted to be like, okay, we won't ask about collusion. We'll just ask about obstruction. So he said that but NBC I'm not charged already you can interview me yeah shut up so whatever but NBC reports that the

logistics and scope of the interview are still being negotiated anyway so yeah I heard that he wants to get a take home written test and not actually answering questions. This one works in real brain. Yeah, so he's gonna do it on it. Yeah. Bill, they're just gonna like come behind him and try to like, write for him. He's gonna write. Yeah, he's gonna cheat.

Oh yeah, I'll put their arms like in here. Yeah, exactly. Chair cushion was just like, share the jacket with him. You can tell because they can't do it. Yeah, from people past. Maxine Waters also on Wednesday sent a letter signed by the ranking members of the House subcommittees on Terrorism, Elicit Finance, and Oversight and Monetary Policy, Criticizing Mnution. Mnution, Pfancy Pants we call them. Yeah. For failing to respond to a

December document request for all evidence relating to Trump and Trump failing money laundering and they've given him until January 17th to respond. So that should be fun. Thursday. Told you this was. It's an equal version of like John Oliver or something. This was a long week. Thursday, Bannon hired a lawyer for his next week next week. Next week has a House Intelligence Committee testimony and guess who it is? It's the same lawyer that Dominic Ann and Prebis have. Wow. I know. It's so great. On Friday, a meeting has been set for next week now, solidified between

Mueller and Trump's lawyers regarding an interview. And they expect these negotiations to last several weeks. A meeting regarding the interview. Yeah, they're going to negotiate the terms of that interview basically. So Trump's gone from 100% all sit down under of, I don't care too, to I need several weeks to negotiate the terms of how I can be interviewed and what you can ask. Yeah, this is really exciting now.

You can actually get in the talk to him. And also Friday, Muller filed a status report on the felony case for Manafort. He set the trial date for May 14th. We knew it was going to be in May, but he's solidified it for May 14th. And he also stated the investigation is ongoing, but nearing conclusion with Manafort. And what's interesting is he's got his discovery ready, and he's got 590,000 documents ready for discovery.

That's up from 400,000 last month. And the number of electronic devices has increased from 36 to 80 something. So I don't know. They just found like 50 more laptops. I have no idea. All right, so I want to talk a little bit about the Fusion GPS transcripts. Fusion GPS and Glemsons and Glenn Simpson testimony transcripts.

I encourage you to read them for yourself. Jordan, do me a favor and post a link to the transcripts on our Facebook page. I know fire and fury is super interesting, but these transcripts, but these transcripts read like a Jason Bourne novel, you guys. So as I had mentioned on Tuesday of this week, DyeFi, that's DyeFi and Stein, she went behind Republicans' backs and released a fusion GPS transcripts that Shub Grassley had refused to release. There's only a couple of bombshells in this thing, but mostly it flies in the face of

the GOP trying to attack the validity of the dossier. So, I'm just going to go over the bits I found fascinating. All right, so quote, here's a quote, quote, the Trump family was selling merchandise in the U.S. that was made in sweatshops in Asia and South America Of course, that's on page 77 Another quote, they're internal numbering system. It jumps from 80 to 86 on these memos. I never asked steel But there aren't five memos between those two and then that was weird. Like hmm. Why did he jump from 80 to 86 or five memos missing? He just up late real tired typing And then that was weird. Like, why did he jump from 1886 or five memos missing? Or is he just numbering up?

He's just a really tired typing. But the dates coincide. So anyway. That's weird. Yeah. And quote, here's another one. I remember political, digital espionage was going to be part of the Trump campaign.

That's on page 144. And who said that? This is all Glenn Simpson. Oh, OK. There's one page 144. And who said that? This is all Glenn Simpson. Oh, okay. There's one quote from his lawyer. I'll tell you which one it is. One of the last things I did, quote, one of the last things I did as a reporter at the Wall Street Journal was report on FBI investigations into American politicians who had been corrupted allegedly by the Russians. That's on page 150. So this has been going on for a while.

Okay, so question. You mentioned a Russian oligarch that met with John McCain in 2008. Who was that? Answer. Olegg Darapaska. He's banned from the US for suspicion of ties to organized crime, and he's extremely close to the Premlin. So I just thought that was weird. What was McCain meeting with him in 2008 for? Was he colluding against Obama with the Russian? I don't know. That's just weird. That's on page 152. Not McCain. Steel. Quote, Steel had told me the FBI and other intelligence had the FBI had other intelligence about Trump Russia collusion from an internal Trump campaign source and that the FBI believed Steele's info because they had other

intelligence from a human source inside the Trump campaign. So aside from pop-adopolis there was somebody else who had come to the FBI and the reason that I that I say I don't think it was pop-adopolis is because on page 176 he said this human source from inside the Trump campaign was a voluntary source. Someone who is concerned about things the same way we were. And popodop wasn't a concerned guy. He was just a drunk loudmouth.

All right. So another quote. So steel told a UK official about Russian interference into the election on behalf of Trump. That UK official told David Kramer, David Kramer is a longtime McCain advisor and he told McCain that McCain told the FBI. So that was the emissary that we were talking about. That's on page 222.

Another one, I have read recently that in a letter from Senator Grassley that the FBI reimburse the expense but to be clear I mean that's it. Steel was not compensated for his work or any other work for the FBI at that time. I thought at that time was interesting. But for that engagement because the Republicans were like, oh, the FBI paid for this dossier. Right. Well, when the FBI wanted to get all the information from Steel, they met him in Rome and they reimburse him for that travel. That's not paying for the dossier.

So that's on page 225. Manafort's notes. So how are they so? Manafort's notes from the June 2016 meeting are in the transcripts as evidence and they're on page 264. Oh, that would be so cool to read. I'll tell you what they said. Oh, shit!

Quote. Value in Cyprus as Inter. Unquote. Another one. Elicit. Another one. Active sponsors of R&C, another one, Browder, Higher, Joanna, Glover, and finally Russian

Adoptions by American Families. Wow. So, Value and Cypress as an Inter, which I think is short for Intermediary, is really interesting, and I'll talk about that later. That was it. Those were all of his notes. Super short hint. Those were all of his notes. Super short hand. Those were all of his notes in his iPhone. Alright, quote, it's a voluntary interview. This is, this is a, Glenn Simpson's lawyer. This is a voluntary interview. He wants to be very careful to protect his sources.

Somebody's already been killed as a result of the publication of this dossier and no harm should come to anyone else. Who was killed? I don't know, but what? Jesus. What if that was blown up? There was a lady that was blown up? Yeah, I want to say it was going to the dossier. But there was a Russian guy who got a car bomb to do it. Okay, there we go.

Interesting. So yeah, what a lame, stupid piece of meaningless shit that people are dying for. So yeah, what a lame, stupid piece of meaningless shit that people are dying for. Another quote, billions of laundered Kazak money went into Trump's Soho and Felix Sater was involved. That's just fun money laundering. Oh yeah. That's on page 296 and apparently they couldn't account for millions of dollars that went into Trump's Soho that came from foreign shell companies and banks.

Another quote here, quote, another figure involved in Trump soho was Tefik Areef, a central Asian organized crime figure who had been arrested for involvement in child prostitution. Okay. Okay. So just, you know, the good Christians of the United States for the best people for this guy for his good Christian value It was also revealed in this testimony that the first group to pay for the Oppo research That's what they call opposition research on Trump was a conservative group Washington beacon we knew that but now it's now it's being proven or laid on yeah

Washington, Beacon. We knew that but now it's now it's being proven or laid on. Yeah. They stopped paying when Trump won the elect or won the nomination. Yeah. And once Trump won the nomination, the Democrats took over and started paying. Well somebody hats you. Right. So because, you know, it was Trump against conservatives. So the conservatives were paying for the dirt on Trump. And then when Trump won the nomination the Democrats are against Trump So they want to pay for the such a big family. Going to the same source. What do you mean? Would they go like where the Republicans using the same source as the Democrats?

Yeah, well the fusion GPS. That was cool. Okay, so Democrat. They basically essentially just like turned off. Yeah, just took it over. That's cool. I didn't know that. Yeah, Hillary swooped in. Yeah, started

dropping some money down. Oh, sorry. Who says Democrats or balloons can't work together? Right. Trump brings us together. Yeah, establishments. Yeah, Trump brings us together. All right. So who is the mole? I put a poll up on Twitter. Okay. I want to know who this other mole is. And according to Fusion GPS transcripts and NuNez's account of an insider, the mole would have had to have worked for the Trump campaign before steal went to the FBI with his dossier because when he got there, they were like, we've already heard this. Yeah. From a voluntary nice guy, a drug-popped-opeless guy, but a voluntary nice guy. Through, so we'd have to be before the steal, before steal what to the FBI through March of 2017 because that's when newness said

There's an inside guy So my four guesses were Epstein Pence pre-biss and spicy sessions is also available for that role Now it's pants that would be crazy Prebiss won my online pool with 56 Pence Penn's got 21, spicy got 17, and Epstein got 6. Prebus, interesting. The reason I don't think he was talking about popodopolis, and I've told you this, is because of the way Simpson characterized the mole in the fusion testimony, as a concerned worried fella.

And Prebus is a lawyer. Oh yeah. So he knows the legalities. I mean, I just imagine, like, when Trump and everyone was on the plane in Air Force One, they're trying to craft their message about what the June 2016 meeting was, and there's somebody in the corner going, shh, this is obstruction. But everybody, like all of the Trump people were like,

they have no idea. You don't know. I would be delusional too. I probably wouldn't know. I don't know how they're doing. I wouldn't either. But I wouldn't be doing this. Exactly. You don't know. I would be delusional too. I probably wouldn't know. I would be out doing I wouldn't either But I wouldn't be doing this exactly. There's a difference The previous is a lawyer so that makes me also think it's him Plus previous quit the White House the same day pop it up. This was arrested. Oh, I thought that was interesting

Yeah in July July 26th or 27th Steel went to the FBI in July 27th, Steele went to the FBI in July. The same time, previous quit, and Papadocolis was arrested, and some think that this fellow Epstein is the mole, and I'm going to hand it over to Jordan to talk about Epstein. So Jordan, take it away. Yeah, so Epstein is...he's a young dude, he's only 35, but he's apparently...he looks like wailed or the man. He really really does I was honestly shocked to what I read is it's administration will age you yeah yeah that I don't know but so this guy is he grew up in Moscow and he came to the

States I think when he was 12 or something he came in 93 so math and he came here apparently it was buddies with Jared Kushner growing up. He is... Yeah they went to college together. Yeah. So they were... They were in open asks. Right been ladies together.

Oh gosh. Gosh. I have such a weird moment of feeling defensive sort of for them for some reason. Yeah. Because I'm like, you know, maybe not. Probably. Probably. He's muller will find reason. Yeah. And I'm like, you know, maybe not. Probably. Probably.

He's a muller, we'll find out. Yeah. You. Poor muller. But he's like fluent in Russian. He was really close with Trump and that campaigning worked on it. And then he was in the White House until March of 2017 when he just kind of mysteriously dropped away and That's unanswered still the White House still hasn't given any sort of a statement or anything on why he left

but he was their Communications Yeah, he was one of the many communications people. And then, so he's just very, he's been around, you could assume, you know, when all of this stuff was going on, and that time frame, oh my gosh. That time frame that ancient was just talking about.

Bleep. Bleep. That time of people. That's so hard to figure out who I am. I know. It's really hard. Yeah, you don't have any identifying characteristics. So I can't murder anyone.

It's a burden. Yeah. They'll see the Hawaiian beautiful landscape on your murdering. But anyway, sorry, getting a side track there, that guy fits the timeline that A.G. was just talking about before. Of someone that had to be there before the steel dossier came out and then, you know, May 2017. So March 2017. Yeah, March, you got it. So I don't know, this is the thing about this guy though.

He was just, for example, May 2017, he was on an interview with Bill Mar. And he's just not even coming close to admitting that the 17 security organizations in our country that all came out and said, yes, there was meddling. He, his response, Bill Mar could not get him to just say yes I accept that that happens and he was so stubborn and he says things shit like oh I have to ask the Russians myself you know I can ask the how I supposed to know you have to ask the

Russians because you you'll believe what the Russians say and not the 17 intelligence agencies of the United States of America. You fat fuck this. And so that's in May, and unless he's just completely really good at, I don't know. He's head of the same show. He's head of the same Claire group. So that's a super right way. Super yeah, he tried to explain to Bill Mar-2. No, we're just down the mill just a town in the organization but clearly it's just gonna be

extremely to the right more to the right of Fox News is what people are saying whoa yeah more right than right part I think is what they were saying yeah like that's nuts yeah so I don't know when I see stuff like that that happened in May I think you know he is clearly still so dedicated to the story right now. Yeah. So it's hard to believe that he was a mole, but he could have been the mole. There's a lot of reasons to believe why he could be as well. So we can post the article maybe, the conjecture, but you know, it's interesting.

Yeah. Yeah, I get that article up there. There's a couple of them because I know that there's a one of the people I follow on Twitter. I think her name is Louise Mange. She writes those blogs and she's the one who thinks Epstein is the mole. I don't think he's got an in him to be a concerned party. And unless he legitimately believes everything that they're saying, like, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

And now he's learning that you're saying, like, no, man. Yes. How is believing everything you say? Oh, that's possible. Or if he's playing a part, you know, like this right wing to have his job at Sinclair, but he's actually like, this is so fucked up, you guys.

Now he's so hardcore. Yeah. I really, there's, I hope that the mole is someone that is like that. Just a homely intent. Yeah, just completely. It's a shame. Everybody just so fucking awesome. That's great. Awesome. All right, thanks Jordan. Thanks for going into the Epstein for us. Epstein. Epstein. He's also Jewish. Oh, oh. So he can't work for the Israeli policy that Trump would like. So he can't work for Roy Moore's campaign.

Yeah. They only allow one. And he's, oh wait, I think he quit. But now I wanted to address something else in the fusion transcripts that I came across in the first 70 or 80 pages. I've read these things so hard when I came out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was surprised I didn't go more viral.

I was thinking people were gonna be just like... Maybe you don't know. I'll catch up to it. It's gonna take a while. I still have a read through at all. Yeah, same. But it's a lot of 312 pages. You don't get to catch up to it. It's going to take a while. I still have a read through it all. Yeah, same. But it's a lot of 312 pages. You know, that's a lot of, that's a lot to get through. Yeah, I think it was saying in the news.

But what, what, what was interesting to me, what stood out to me was the characterization of Bill Browder. Oh, yeah. Because when I had first heard Bill Browder's testimony and was introduced to who he was. He was like a saint to me. But hey, Julie, so why don't you tell us what's actually going on? Yeah, so we think he's the same because of his connections to the Magnusney Act. Basically, his lawyer was Magnusney, and when everything went down and he was murdered by Putin,

Browder became the face of that movement. So he's kind of this like anti-Putin global activist. But what's really going on, we've noticed from the transcripts, is that he may have had some involvement with that tax game that he supposedly outed with that, you know, act that $230 million that was stolen from Russia, apparently. He won't really speak on his personal involvement in that. you know, act that it's $230 million that was stolen from Russia apparently. He won't really speak on his personal involvement in that.

So that's something that Glenn Simpson noticed and spoke about in the interview he had in August. So basically, here's a quote from him, he said, I became personally interested in where Bill Browder came from, how he's made so much money under Vladimir Putin without getting involved in anything he'd listen. And it's pretty weird that Grouder won't go on the record at all under oath to talk about his involvement or Sergei Nymisky's involvement in the tax scheme specifically by he'll go out and talk about the general parts of it. So there's this disconnect that they're trying to figure out right now and it's really sketchy.

Well here's the main thing is that is that Prevazon holdings. Okay, that's a Russian company. A Russian hedge fund that has all sorts of weird ties to all sorts of weird things. But Prevazon hired Prevazon hired a hostellar, what are they called Baker Hostellar? Yeah, Baker Hostellar. Yeah. To try to find out what was going on with Bill Browder, because Bill Browder was accusing Prevazon of that $230 million tax fraud that some of it was laundered through Prevazon. And Prevazon's like, no, it wasn't. So Prevazon hired lawyers, including Vesonet Skaya. Yeah, okay

and then they wanted to hire some American lawyers so they did they heard Baker Haas debtler right Baker Haas debtler is the one who hired Fusion GPS to dig up dirt on Browder so we're not trying to use that against them and say that they're what is it the foreign of agents after the Farah Farah Yeah, so they said he didn't register, a browser's like they didn't register as foreign agents and institutions like, we were working for Baker Haas, they're other American lawyers.

Right. And it's kind of the same with the whole steel dossier. But what's interesting is, a browser was like, they're doing a smear campaign against me right before the Global Magnitsky act hearings to try to under, because Vesselnaut's guy was heading up the, you know, get rid of the Magnitski Act.

Yeah, fang. But it was just coincidence that she was the lawyer for Prevazon Holdings, that hired Baker Hostel or that hired Fusion GPS to dig up dirt on Browder. Exactly. It's like, what? I know, it's a lot.

And Fusion didn't want to undermine Magnitskey act, but that's what he's trying No, they didn't want to they love the Magnits key act Glansombs is like we're I'm happy about the Magnits get I think it should exist But my job is to dig up and you know interesting stuff might do do research not dig up there But do research on Bill Browder right? Did you did you find out what he found about Bill Browder with his their attempts to serve him and all that stuff? Yeah, so apparently he's been avoiding their subpoenas, like he just straight up dodges them and then like he won't go on the reburet and then he actually tried to evate taxes, apparently with Russia, right? Like he tried to straight up just like,

yeah actually don't personal taxes, so he just won't go on record with anything. And at one point when when G point when Glenn Simpson himself was trying to serve like, um, Browder on the street in Colorado, because they're like, wait a second, he gave up his, he gave up his citizenship in 98, but he has a $10 million mansion in Colorado. And he's got cars registered in his name.

He's living here. Yeah. Right. So they find him and they go to serve him and he just drops his coffee at his briefcase. He runs down the street away from him like, and I'm like, it's so obvious. Doesn't sound like the brownie that I know, you know?

But so brownie is an interesting fellow. And hats off, Magnusky act is amazing. Yeah, he did it, he did it, he did it, he died investigating tax-prote right and was murdered excuse me I should just I should clarify was murdered, but that had nothing to do with fusion GPS and their work for Baker Haas settler for previs on holdings even though Vesselman sky was involved exactly They should be treated separately, but that's the argument. That's one of the things. And then, it was Grassley, he's behind this too, with Browder, he's back in him up.

So it's one of those GOP arguments that they're just gonna keep throwing in there. Yeah, and you can tell every time, in the fusion transcripts and in the Browder testimony, every time Grassley's asking questions, he's asking questions about Prevazon. Prevazon hold it. What if they have to?

At the Eugen GPS and what kind of evil are they trying to do? And then you can tell when the Democrats are asking questions, they're like, so what'd you dig up on Trump, bro? Yeah, it's very clear. The line has been drawn. As a kid. Do you think they're, they never before, with doing two separate investigations, party party led ones? They kind of are right now, right? They don't recognize them. How do you even recognize that?

Yeah, okay. Thank you for sharing. We're like to the end, I guess. Whoever has the most compelling argument, why? I, you know what? And in, and to be clear, in the Senate and the House, both the judiciary and intelligence committees that are doing all this interviewing and the Russia probe, they are not doing a criminal investigation. They're doing a fact-finding investigation because the Senate and the legislative branch can't do criminal investigations because they are executive branch, not judicial branch.

That's part of the checks and balances. The Mueller is the one doing the criminal investigation. That's why you hear all the Democrats constantly saying, look, Mueller's got the juice. Right. And we're just here because what we can do is we can interview people and release stuff to the public because it's not a criminal investigation. And that's important too for the case.

It's very important for the public to know what's going on, which is why Dify wanted to release those transcripts. Yeah. So I don't understand how Republicans can argue transparency when they are the ones being opaque. Exactly. And up to. So that's the whole, with the, versus, Judiciary versus legislative branch. And the Democrats keep insisting, hey, Mueller's the guy looking at the criminality.

He's got all the crimes. And that's why they're trying to discredit him. And because it's a criminal investigation, he can't release that stuff to the public. So, all right, well thank you very much, Shaleesa, for looking in there. Of course, yeah. Because I just, that caught me off guard. I was like, not brown or no. I wonder who else is going to turn out to be a crappy person. I am rather all crappy people, I think. And I even tweeted at Bill Browder, because he liked one of our tweets. Oh, Bill. I remember that, yeah. Because I told him, I was like, hey bro, if you ever need a place to stay,

we got a spare room if you're not allergic to cats. And he liked that. Little fucking bitch has a $10 million mansion in Colorado. Oh, it's just a chicken. How about I stay at your house, you dick? All right, you guys, it's time for sabotage. Oh, yeah. Eat, do get me.

Okay. Coffee. All right, Eat me. Mmm. Coffee. Alright so this is interesting. You guys remember in episode 6 when I reported on Flynn texting his buddy Copson on the inauguration day during the swearing and ceremony. On the like platform right like basically. Yeah. And he's texting his buddy Copson.

Trump's gonna rip up the sanctions. This is gonna be great. You go forward with the nuclear reactors. Yeah. And you remember you talked about the Mayflower, right? Right. With McFarland. Yeah. But McFarland and Katie McFarland and Eric Prince and the meeting in the seashells, set up by the UN and dining and the Russian. Yeah. And but McFarland was a big nuclear reactor built. He was big, the Marshall plan is what I'm going to call it. That's what it's called. That's the, that's the desire for Russia to team up with the United States. United States is going to provide security and military

contracts and security contracts. And Russia is going to supply the uranium and the oil necessary. And then you need some oil person to drag it in. And the United Arab Emirates is the one who's gonna make money up along with Saudi Arabia on the reactors being in there. Oh yeah. That's a whole thing. Huge deal with bad people. Yeah. Like the worst.

He picked the worst people. Billions of dollars that you would need. I don't know. A Cyprus intermediary to launder that through like good old Manafort's notes said from the 2016 meeting so I put those two and I put that together you're welcome. So remember all that right and this is early 2016 when they had this Mayflower meeting right and it was Trump and sessions and pretty much everybody who was trying to get Komi

Fire or was trying to cover up Russia. Yeah was at this meeting plus the ambassador for the ambassador for Singapore was there and Kteam McFarland was nominated to be the ambassador of Singapore. She's the one who was emailing back and forth with Flynn about Contacting the Russians you got Prince, a security guy in the St. Shells trying to talk about pipeline stuff and I wish trade would go back to normal between Russia and the US, which means I wish sanctions would go away, set up by the UAE. So start thinking about all this stuff put together. Well, on Friday, very late in the day, I got handed this thing fell in my lap.

There's a guy in Maryland named Lambert who was charged, there was an unsealed indictment for 11 felony counts, one of which was bribing 10x. and 10x is a nuclear company, a uranium company in Russia that's part of Rosatom and Rosatom, one of their lawyers is this guy named Bulber, which is the weird name, but that's his name. And it turns out, if you follow me, this is a long way to go, but Balber, the lawyer for Rosatom, that, and this guy in Maryland who's got 11 felony counts, again, he's a nuclear materials transportation expert. OK.

OK. So he bribed 10x to get contracts. OK. 10x is a subsidiary of Rosatom. Balber is a lawyer for Rosatom. Balber is also a golloroth and Cavalazze's lawyer. Those are two of the Russians of the June 2016 meeting. And he was Trump's lawyer for the Miss Universe pageant in Moscow.

Wow. So this ties them together. You follow the money for this Marshall plant. And this kind of becomes the deep throat moment in if you have ever seen all the presidents men or you know anything about deep throat when he was talking to the reporter from Washington Post in the parking garage he's like this is bigger than you're looking at right now and if you listen to episode six guys go back and listen to episode

six was Zach Miller. There's a middle part where I start talking about how maybe this whole thing was Russia trying to either get Trump to win or blackmail him to run or both to install him to East Sanctions to do the Marshall Plan deal. Yeah, because Copson when Flynn was texting him on the day, so the inauguration was like, Trump's gonna rip up the sanctions, which means he'd already been working during the transition against the Logan Act, by the way.

Oh yeah. To make that deal, okay. So he's texting him and Copsin says, this is great, because we can build all the reactors in the Middle East, we won't have sanctions so Russia can supply the Uranium. And we've got a lawyer now we found out yesterday that their lawyer is a trunk-connected guy that can help us do this. We just need to get the pipeline stuff going and that's Eric Prince

and the St. Shells with the UAE. And he said, then we just need to send our troops over there to protect them, which is a pretext for recolonization of the Middle East. Remember that? Yeah. So go back, you guys, and listen to episode six, and don't freak out too much. But try not to.

I think this is what this whole thing is boiler down to. That's what you do. You're going to need shell companies and money laundering capability, which Trump has. And there's proof of that. Manafort also has it. Deutsche Bank, Alpha Bank, already have that. And a $285 million loan to Kushner, right before the... I mean, I think all of this is gonna tie into the Marshall Plan.

That's crazy. I know, because there's billions and billions of dollars to be made. And it's so much bigger than Russian than US. And I think that's like a worldwide kind of assault. In oil, pipelines, military contracts, security contracts, air princes, the former head of black water. Just, I think this is all gonna start coming together with this and I think Mueller knows all about it. Yeah, and probably has for a while. So this is the movie plot. We finally got to. Yeah. And it starts with the fucking Mayflower meeting.

That's crazy, I know. Alright. Well you guys, this has been fun. Oh yeah. I've been Jordan Cover. I've been Julie Cedanson. And I'm A.G. and before we sign off, on a personal note, I found myself very emotional on Thursday night. When the news broke about 45 referring to Haiti and the whole of Africa as shit hole countries. Yeah. And I know we don't report on things unrelated to the Russian investigation, but I feel like I would be remiss if I didn't address something I consider to be historic. Now Trump has been overtly blatantly bigotent and racist in word and deed for decades.

Okay, starting with the Central Park 5, probably even stuff before that. His father's arrested and KKK rally. His racism in real estate dealings, not allowing black people to rent his properties. His comments after Charlottesville calling Mexicans rapists saying a Hispanic judge is not capable of doing his job, trying to ban Muslims, saying all Haitians have aides, and saying Nigerians won't go back to their huts. Our president has a well-documented history that's right with racist words and deeds, but what happened is Thursday really hit me hard, and I searched my soul and my heart to figure out why these

most recent comments affected me more deeply than anything else he has done, which is he has done some repugnant stuff. Oh yeah. So I was trying to figure it out. And at first I thought, you know, maybe it's because of all the people that I served with. I'm a veteran. And maybe it's all the people I served with who put their lives on the line to defend the Constitution of the United States and defend this country.

And how many of them are from countries that are present called shithole countries? Our president who ran five times to avoid serving this country and insulting people who have by calling their homes shitholes. And I thought about all those who served alongside my dad and my grandpa, patients have been serving and Africans have been serving alongside us this entire time. And it became clear to me that all of us know things that our president won't ever understand. know things that our president won't ever understand. Things like bravery and sacrifice and the dedication necessary to risk everything to uphold the ideals that our country has built on and that's a diversity. That's the one out of

many one, E. Pluribus Unum, which he took off the presidential coin by the way. But it's not just what the president said. It's who he said it to. It's who he was given a nudge and a wink to. And there's a cancer in this country. And we have to treat it as such. And I think that the reason I got so emotional over what he said is because my father died of cancer. And I had to watch him be terrified and I was 16 years old so I couldn't do anything but I'm fucking 44 now and I'm a grown-ass woman and I'm not gonna stand by and let him do that. This is a cancer and these people who support him are cancer and they need to be treated

like cancer, they need to be cut out and they need to be cauterized so that they don't return and we have to work together to do that. So thank you for letting me get that out. It was important to me that just really hit me and I think it's it's an historic moment that we need to recognize and that we need to rally behind and come together us. So thank you. Join us next week. This has been Mueller. She wrote IMAG. Season 4 of How We Win Is Here. For the past four years, we've been making history in critical elections all over the country. And last year, we made history again by expanding our majority in the Senate, eating election denying Republicans and crucial state house races,

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