Jack - House GOP Russia Report

Episode Date: April 30, 2018

MAIN - This week on MSW, Jaleesa gives a Broidy/Nader update, Jordan covers the amazing Trump Fox meltdown, & AG breaks down the House GOP's official Russia Report! Enjoy! 

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themolarsheewrote.com website to become a patron today, and we'll see you on the 3rd of July. This podcast may contain laughter. So to be clear, Mr. Trump has no financial relationships with any Russian oligarchs. That's what he said. That's what I said. That's obviously what the opposition is. I'm not aware of any of those activities. I have been called a surrogate at a time or two in that campaign, and I didn't have, and I have communications with the Russians.

What do I have to get involved with Putin for? I have nothing to do with Putin. I've never spoken to him. I don't know anything about a mother than he will respect me. Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. So it is political. You're a communist. No, Mr. Green.

Communism is just a red herring. Like all members of the oldest profession, I'm a capitalist. Thank you. Hello, welcome to Mueller, she wrote episode 26, 26 weeks since the first indictments. And never a dull moment. I'm A.G. your anonymous host, ethically complying with the Hatch Act unlike some folks in the White House. I work for the executive branch of the government.

I'd like to keep that job so I go by A.G. With me as always is Jordan Coburn. Oh, switching it up. Hello. And Jolissa Johnson. Hey guys. How was your week? You know, I'm in Twitter jail right now.

Oh no. Yeah, it feels like, have you guys seen Ready Player One yet? Yes. Or all caught up. OK, yeah, it feels like the internet is like everything to me. And now I feel like I'm disconnected from like the universe. Is this related to that screen shred I sent to you that said, you couldn't see the exactly. So they related to that screen thread I sent to you that said you couldn't see exactly.

So they halted your account just temporarily. Yeah, she had a phone number and sent it to Twitter and they're just taking their sweet time. Sweet, sweet time. I wonder if like Black people are just proportionally Twitter jailed. You think I wonder. I'm kidding. Nothing to do with race. I just couldn't help. But yeah, it'll be fine in a few days. But there is a hashtag free jolisa going on. So, yeah, yeah. Some of them, Milo, she wrote fans are like,

trying to get Twitter to check their email. So it might work. But the confirmed reason that you're halted is because of unverified phone number. Correct, that's what all they want is, I mean, they're saying. Well, they want me to send a text. You know how they like you, the code thing.

And so it's my Well, numbers so I can't send the code so now I have to wait and delete update my new number got it It's unfortunate. Yeah, I'm sorry. I feel so disconnected You'll be back soon. Yeah, I was an amazing leadership seminar all week. Oh, yeah I'm pretty tired. It was a lot of work, but it was well worth it We took the Myers Briggs personality test, have you guys taken that? Yeah, do you know what you are?

I do. What is it? ENFP. Oh, nice. Oh, I forget, because the letters are confusing. Yeah, I remember the general legs, so you're an outgoing. I am.

Okay, go ahead. What are you? I'm an ENTJ. Oh, cool. Yeah. So we're all at different letters. At one point in my life, I was an ENTJ, and now I'm an ENFP. Interesting. Yeah, because I'm pretty on the border for those last two. I got it, so you're all at different letters at one point in my life I was in the NTJ and now I'm an ENFP interesting. Yeah, cuz I'm pretty on the border for those last two. I got it

So yeah, I just want to be an EMT No, it's really cool. So so what does that mean about you like what what is your well like my strengths? Our leadership and all that other stuff, but my weaknesses are Here's what they said dismissing the feelings of others, ignoring pragmatic details and making decisions too quickly. And I'm sorry, but they'll sound like strengths to me, so I don't get it. I'm so high, I don't get it. And I also apparently don't take criticism very well, whatever.

Well, neither does Komi, we talked about this. Yeah, Komi's probably an ENTJ. Yeah, mine was the campaigneromi's probably an ENTJ. Yeah. Yeah, mine was the campaigner, is the ENFP. Yeah, like a good-of-people. Yeah. Yeah. Just fake as fuck.

No. I'm just kidding. You're like an Obama. It was just a joke. Yeah, totally top 40. Anyway, it was a fun seminar. I had a good time. I go back in for a week in June and a week in August.

Oh, cool. With the same group of people. Yeah. Very nice. All right, so today, Jordan, you're going to talk about the amazing Trump Fox meltdown. Oh yes. So excited. And Jalice is going to give us a broady-nader update. And I'll be talking about the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence Final Giant 223 Page Report. That's the HIC House Intelligence Committee. GEOP put out a 223 page report. I'm just going to read it. I'm kidding. It's going to be an extra long episode today.

And there was also a Democratic Minority Reply. So that was also I think 99 pages. I can't remember, but they're pretty, pretty beefy. Did you see that image of David Neunez and Adam Schiff sitting next to each other this week? At the course of the sad. No, it was something in, yeah, I don't know, it's a capital, but it was so sad seeing that. Oh, just that they were hanging out. Just how Schiff must feel all the time.

Right, just gross. Anyway, let's kick it off with just the facts. All right, the week started off pretty slow, guys. On Sunday, a reminder article was published that Giuliani has ties to BTA bank, which has ties to Felix Sater, Arif and Cohen. We covered this in episode 12, but they put it out this week. So, Giuliani said, did you have that clip? I do. What?

What? What? What? My Monday Monday. It was announced on Monday that the dictator of Kazakhstan, who is not borough, I found out. He's going to be visiting the White House. Well, he already did, but this was, you know, Monday. Right.

He visited the White House last week. And here, okay, here's the thing with Kazakhstan. We learned in the first round of Fusion GPS transcripts that, that die-fi released, die-in-fights time, that the dictator's son, the dictator's the guy who's visiting the White House. His son took over BTA bank in Kazakhstan after it was looted for billions of dollars by the previous chairman who then set up shell companies through Felix Sater and purchased Trump properties, all of which were quickly, quickly, resold for less money. It's funny, as we get deeper into this, stories keep popping up that we've covered in the past.

And I'm getting the feeling that we report on a lot of stuff that other news outlets miss, or they're late to the party. Yeah, distracted by other Trump stuff. Yeah. Yeah, I would share articles, but I feel like we've already covered them. So it's like, I share them on Twitter and I'm like, this will sound familiar if you listen to the pop. Exactly, but it's a nice refresh or two and it's validating. Yeah, it's very validating.

It's good to know that we're on top of things at least. So thanks to our listeners for that, we couldn't do without you. Yeah, it it's very valid it's it's good to know that we're on top of things at least so Thanks to our listeners for that we couldn't do without you. Oh, yeah We learned early in the week that the US eased sanctions on Darapasca's aluminum company And that sent aluminum stocks into a tailspin Manuchin said that if Darapasca Relinquishes control of the company they'd ease up on sanctions and extend the deadlines for US companies to comply by five months. People who listen to our pod already know, Derapaska was planning to step down already, so whoop-de-shit.

The Hill reported this week that Sean Hannity is linked to Shell companies that spent $90 million on property. That's a red flag for money laundering, by the way. And Hannity used HUD under the National Housing Act loan program and Obama program by the way and so bomb yeah and Hannity didn't mention his HUD cooperation when Ben Carson the HUD secretary was on his show that's his nickname he's in the HUD Carson till of the HUD

Hannity is real estate lawyer whose name is Christopher Reeve. This country is safe against Superman. Thanks to you. No, sir, don't thank me, Warden. We're all part of the same team. Night. Anyway, Christopher Reeve said Hannity's real estate holdings were highly confidential and not relevant for the public when the Hill asked for comments, so funny. He just got like an $8 million loan from HUD. No big deal.

Yeah. No red flag at all there. It's not as expensive as a dining room table, but I mean, you know. Yes, I'll work into the mind. My large basement geographical region is irrelevant. What's going on there? No one needs to know. There was a new court filing Monday from Muller, opposing Manafort's motion to suppress

evidence that the government obtained during the raid on his house in Alexandria. The filing goes into detail about what exactly the FBI could grab because Manafort is saying and his his fourth amendment rights were violated And listed I'm like they you can't you can't take my bong you weren't looking for bongs man, right? Never when people would say that like you have a bong on your table if that they didn't come in for that They can't bust you. I have a water pipe. They can bust you So yeah, his fourth amendment rights were violated. He listed, oh, and listed among the specifics in this warrant are quote, communications records,

documents, and other files involving any of the attendees of the June 9th, 2016 meeting at Trump Tower, as well as Aras and Amin Agalorov. So interesting. That means, I mean, we've been speculating forever that Mueller's looking into the June Trump Tower meeting. I think that's probably a given, but now there's documented evidence. On Wednesday, judges in the federal district court in Manhattan voted to appoint Jeffrey

Berman as the US attorney for the Southern District of New York days before his interim appointment was about to expire. Trump didn't set an alarm, I guess. So the court exercised this very seldom used power to fill the seat without him. So they put Berman in there. Berman is the Trump guy. He's also recused from Cohen, probably because he's part of Cohen's business. He's probably tied to BTA bank with Juliana or some shit who knows. Well, sorry. No, go ahead. I I was just gonna say it's so annoying that Giuliani's name is back in politics now I thought he was done with after yet that failed presidential campaign. Yeah, I know here he is again

I hate him. This teeth freak me out. Mm-hmm. I shouldn't judge people based on the law I shouldn't I shouldn't teeth shame to my my listeners with dentures. Please don't email me. I Have a partial. No, I don't I'm just trying to relate never mind. Yeah, I got a gum graph. Sorry. Oh, did you I'm gonna have to yeah, yeah It's not that bad my little my front gum started receding. Yeah, same mine did that too Oh, you're not even old. I feel better. Oh, no, no. Yeah, I have one. I was 19 They had to cut off a piece of the roof of my mouth. And then, yeah. So it on at the bottom.

Yeah, it wasn't so bad. It's pretty cool actually. You're then you're like a zombie mouth. I think I could get some oxy. Yes. Awesome. You do get it. I mean, I can confirm that.

Either that or I can just go ask Ronnie Jackson for some, right? You'll just give me some. Just hey, bro. Yeah. Admiral, excuse me. Admiral. Best of luck in your surgery, Angie.

Thank you. I know. I could get him to a ski one. I can just get Ronnie Jackson to announce my health all the time. I would feel so much better about myself. Anyway, the story started to come out about Ronnie Jackson this week. And I've said the nomination for the Secretary of Veterans Affairs is not really a Mueller story, but I'm a veteran and I know we have a lot of veteran listeners, particularly part of the veterans resistant squad veterans resistance groups that listen to MSW. So bear with me Mueller junkies anyhow, they were missing per cassette. He wrote himself prescriptions. That's really. Yeah.

There were over 20 complaints from active duty and veterans, assholes, right? Active duty service members and veterans that worked with us. Yeah, untrustworthy. Totally. Apparently, he got to joke everyone. Apparently, he got drunk and crashed a car. It was drinking on duty. Then Trump said midweek in a press conference that he told Ronnie quote, I wouldn't do it if I were him. I wouldn't do it

So basically giving him an out, right? But then Ronnie said no way man. I'm in a man a hundred percent But then Trump called him over to the White House that night and was like we should talk and He withdrew his nomination the next day. Yeah he's like, seriously, don't do it. My was being serious. Yeah. When I say don't do it, I mean don't do it. You gotta see his face to know he's serious.

Yeah, don't. Yeah, or he could do it like how he talked to Comey. Like, I'm hoping you can see your way clear to not do this. We gotta speak Trump, you know? Yeah, totally. He made an amazing phone appearance Thursday morning on Fox and Friends, by the way. I'm sure you've seen the video or maybe you watched? Yeah, totally. He made an amazing phone appearance Thursday morning on Fox and Friends, by the way.

I'm sure you've seen the video or maybe you watched the Daily Show clip. Oh my God, the Daily Show clip is the best. I gotta watch it, I haven't seen that one. Trevor Noah kills me. And the way they cut it together, it was just so funny. Yeah. It only took two hours before Trump's own words,

were used against him in federal court. It's gotta be a record. I don't know, he could probably beat it himself next week. He could beat it himself. We'll just get that child back. I'll go back. Trump said that Cohen only represented him in a teeny tiny fraction of his legal proceedings.

And that led the prosecution in the Cohen case to be totally comfortable with a special master going through the documents and the judge agreed. So Barbara Jones, a former US attorney, was appointed, who was, who's an appointment, appointee from Bill Clinton. And she was a prior assistant US attorney in New York was appointed as the special master in the Cohen case. So she's familiar with the court

because she, she was assistant US attorney in Southern District. And this will make the case move forward much faster. And I'd wager we'll get a coin indictment within 30 days. Did it have to be so cool? Let's do a countdown. That's crazy. Are they allowed to account down? They're going countdown or just all of them count down. But do you think they cited what he said in that interview in their explanation? They did. They put it directly in the court file. That's allowed. Yeah. Wow, that's interesting.

I mean, it's like confession, right? Essentially, it's, I guess so. I would just feel like you would have to be under some sort of oath when they were going to take it in a consideration. Interesting, yeah. I don't know. That's cool. That's fucking great.

Yeah. Blue up his entire case. His whole case, the reason he hired special attorneys, some couple, some husband and wife couple, the same day he brought Giuliani on. Their whole case that they were meticulously and carefully building was to say that none of these documents seized could be used because of attorney client privilege. And Trump gets up on Fox and says he wasn't really my attorney at all.

And God, ha ha ha. Oh, God, God love him. Yeah. Brilliantly stupid. Yeah, so if we don't see an indictment by the end of June with Cohen, you can bet he's flipped. Mm-hmm. But some beans on it.

Not to mention, after saying he would plead the fifth, earlier in the week in the Stormy Daniels case, the judge in that case put the entire thing on hold for 90 days in the likely event that Cohen will be indicted. So the judge in the Stormy Daniels case is like, because he pleaded the fifth, and then the judges like Donnie,

and we're about to just put the case on hold. And I wanna mention that it's pretty normal to plead the fifth, well, it's not normal to be under in a civil case and be under federal investigation. None of the same type. It's really normal, but technically, yeah. But if you are, if you're already at that point, if you happen to be, uh,

but, you know, a potential, um, deposition candidate in a, in a civil case, you, and you're being federally investigated, you usually plead the fifth, because anything you say can be used against you in federal court. So most people plead the fifth in that case. So everyone's, you know, oh, you plead the fifth, you're guilty, he is guilty AF, but like that's why. Yeah, they're usually guilty if they're in that position, right? I'm guessing, dude, is that wrong to say?

I guess yeah, there's the whole benefit of the dolloping. Yeah, benefit of the doubt. It's called presumption of innocence. There you go. Yeah. Basically. You're so cute. It seems like it's the same. Dude, I love you so hard.

Thank you. You're like, huh? Oh, no, they're all guilty, A.S. Yeah. No, go for it. I was just going to say say pleading the fifth definitely is some purgatory between pleading guilty and not guilty. It's like, I'm not gonna say, I'll let you do with that

what you will serve. And the judge is like, well, I've seen this before. I'm gonna put this on hold. It looks familiar. Definitely. I think I saw some time. You were really, because if he gets knighted in the, other case, then he's not going to be able to participate

in both trials of simultaneous. I think I don't know lawyers. Let me know. Yeah. Tweet at me at Miller. She wrote Jordan Parker is the best for that. He is. And he's moving to Oklahoma. Really? I wanted him to come to our July 3rd thing. And he's going to be he's moving to Oklahoma. Well, for I don't know why would anyone move to Oklahoma. My mom actually wants to move to Oklahoma City and yes, tornadoes. They're funny to look at. This is storm chaser. That must be what it is. Yeah, yeah. It's giving up law. Real estate is apparently great right there right now. It's you can get a lot for a little. Actually great is like price wise, right? But definitely not like like property wise. Yeah, it depends if you're that person that sits on a rocking chair in your porch, you know? Oh true, yeah.

And I can't even say I've never been to Oklahoma. I've been to Nebraska and Kansas and Missouri. I don't like the flatness. I've been to Oklahoma and it's just like Texas. Yeah, flat for days. It is. It's humid in the summers too. It's like really hot humid, but it's beautiful.

So yeah, it's like American planes. Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, you know, America. Yeah, it is pretty. Trees and whatnot. Mm-hmm. Seasons, we don't know what that is. No. It makes time go faster, I was thinking the other day.

You think? Because it's just one constant state. It's just like, I have no, my frame of reference could be five years ago. Ten years ago? I know, you're like, last winter, I don't know, could have been the summer. It was 70 degrees out. It could have really been any day of the year.

Sorry. Yeah, sorry. The rest of you. You know, Jesse Egan, he's like, a huge front is moving in, a front of jealousy from the rest of the country. Coming into San Diego. It's funny. Yeah, plan your vacation, man. Come out here for the Fourth of July. We have an incredible Embarcadero Firework show. You can take a cruise out on the, my favorite thing is to cruise out on the bay for the fireworks. That sounds so fun. Star of India is down there.

We should do that. We should hang out on July 4th, maybe. Yeah, that'd be fun. Like after the show, oh yeah, the next day. Yeah, maybe, yeah, that'd be great. And some patriotic, like true patriotic. Sexy just so sweet. Celebration, the next day. Yeah, yeah, maybe yeah, that'd be great. Some patriotic like true patriotic sexy just celebration. Real patriots only. I love it. I do. I think that's a good idea. But yeah, July 3rd, it's Tuesday. It's our Moshe Road live and you can plan a whole vacation around it. It's plenty of

time. Come to the zoo. We have we have a zoo here. I've heard the San Diego zoo is very nice. No, I remember I go there like every other day. We got SeaWorld, Noxia Moodo, Blackfish, what's up? Big ups to Blackfish. But yeah, Noxia Moodo, but dolphins. Fastgrass. And fastgrass. Dallas McLaughlin worked at SeaWorld forever. He put some beans on that place. Wait, are those dolphins high? Is that why they're

so like chill with it? Yeah, I'm thinking about when they're like dancing backwards, like moonwalking across. You got to see the show guys. You got to see the dolphin show. They're high on something. You got to see the dolphins, the high dolphins moonwalk. Yeah, no dolphins were harmed. I'm sure it's consensual. Oh my God. The coons booker Tillis Graham Bill advanced through the Senate, you guys, the Judiciary Committee only though. And McConnell still says he'll kill it

by not allowing it to be brought to the floor. That's an unnecessary verb. Yeah. Why? You treasonous bitchbag. Can we not vote on this damn bill like what why are you blocking it? Because remember Mitch McConnell knows why people are going to act the way they will act Oh, that's his reasoning for stopping legislation for getting seen. He knows for sure. Yeah

Anyway more texts from struck and page came out this week and Anyway, more texts from Struck and Page came out this week. And remember, we now know that page, Lisa Page is a witness in the Mueller investigation, which is weird. I can't figure out why she's a witness. Say Carter Page is wife. Who is this? No, Lisa Page is the one who was texting back and forth, Struck and Page. You know, Trump is a dill though, but also have Hillary and

fuck Bernie. Yeah, the best thing that happened to Trump, basically. Yeah, they're texts. Interesting. Yeah, I wonder why she'd be a witness. Yeah, I can't figure it out. Like I've been I've been rack of my brain. And I mean, maybe she knows something about the obstruction. I don't know. Yeah, because they wouldn't. It's not as if they'd be interviewing her to investigate her. She's within this other investigation. No, she's just a witness.

Yeah, she's pure witness. She's not even a subject. Right. Like Trump. Yeah. I don't know. I can't figure it out. We'll have to, you know what?

Tweet us your theory. I'd like to know. Like what she has to bring to the table. Yeah. How is she involved in the Russian investigation? Tweet us at Mueller She- And then Lisa Paige tweets his. Lisa Paige is a big fan.

I played the fifth. She's like, here's the deal. Long time listener, a big fan. Yeah. I can't tell you why I'm part of the investigation. Anyway, it's just, she's a witness. And that's, and I think the obstruction case, but then I'm just, I'm just full on guessing.

Anyway, these texts that were released are struck in Paige's reaction to Comey's firing and Mueller's appointment. Struck said of Comey being fired, quote, having a tough time processing tonight, lease, feeling a profound sense of loss. And then lease, Paige responded, quote, I feel the same loss. I want to see, I wanted to see what the FBI could become under him. His vision for greatness

for our strong but flawed organization. I'm angry, angry and mourning. Those damn humans. That's a good text, man. Yeah, it's really sad. Almost like they knew someone was watching. It's a full on tape. Or they always talk like that. Yeah. Some of the texts were cryptic and their shorthand wasn't really clear such as, quote, we need to open the case we've been waiting on now while Andy is acting. Oh. Like what case? Yeah, they must have been meeting up.

And why open it when McCabe is acting? I'm thinking maybe it's the investigation into the leaks in the Southern District or in the New York Field Office when they leaked to Giuliani. Right. Who, by the way, said that they leaked. The thing that prompted Comey to come out with it right before the election? Yeah. That's what I think.

Yeah. That makes sense. Comey's not saying, nobody's saying. And honestly, I think it's because it's an investigation. So you can't. Can't. That is a bit of a flag. That language. Honestly, I think it's because it's an investigation. So you can't. That is a bit of a flag. That language. Let's do that one thing.

We won't be able to do later. We can't do now. My cave is in charge. Well, you know, my husband's a very wonderful leader of the FBI. So you would want to open a case under a macaque. Yeah. How is he by the way? Anything under mechanic? It's adorable. That's how he is. He's just adorable. Another another text that was kind of cryptic said, I could hear the shredders in

the White House and DOJ running from here. After Mueller was appointed. I wonder if it's metaphoric or if it's literal. So that's literal. I can hear the shwell. I'm gonna go with literal. Well, I'm sure they couldn't literally hear the shredders, but that's not what I was wondering how close is their building. That is massive industrial shredders. I can hear it. I can hear the obstruction. It's literal but not literal. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, I think it was struck texted page. I could hear the shredders in the White House and the DOJ running from here. What the DOJ, what?

Mm-hmm, what? What? Who the DOJ, is that a song? Am I missing something? Sessions, it had to be sessions. Oh yeah. I thought you were rapping for a night. What? What, what you know? Is that a song? Am I missing something? Sessions, it had to be sessions. Oh yeah. I thought you were rapping for a night. What?

What, what, what? Where were we? We'd get leagues. Yeah, we got it. We got to make strikes. We got to make strikes. Anyway, Friday was a pretty crazy news day. And it was a travel day for me.

We learned that 16 phones were seized in the raid on Cohen, going back like 12 years 16 apparently he keeps all his old phones. Oh my god like a smart guy. I lose my current phones Exactly the FBI imaged them all. Yeah, so this is cool technology. They show up. They grab your phone They plug something into it make a copy and then you hand it back to you. Here you go I imagine they're just hanging a straight jacket just up on a coat rack. Do they just sell it to girlfriends or something? Like, can you imagine this in the market for like crazy girlfriends that want to see everything?

Like, or I guess crazy boyfriends? You mean like this boyfriends of his clients? No, just in general, like just a device where you could like put your boyfriend's phone into it. Yes, exactly. Oh my God, I'm gonna make this. Yeah, that's brilliant. I feel like I have some's phone into it. Yes, exactly. Oh my God. I'm going to make this. Yeah, that's brilliant.

I have to have some. Go get one. Yeah, I got to. Oh, here you go. Here's that back. Your life is over. Bye. Here's your phone back.

Great. Okay, thanks, bye. Feel free to text anyone now, but we might come back and image those as well. Oh, man, that's crazy. Well, there's 16 phones. Oh, man, that's crazy. Well, there's 16 phones. Yeah, that's insane. How do you keep... Oh, wow, yeah.

And I bet if any of them traveled to Prague with them in, you know, August that data would be there too. So more shit about Nader and Broidy dropped Friday. I'll let Jalisa our Broidy expert tell you about that later. I'm ashamed. No, yeah, he's got a lot of stuff coming up. Being a Brody expert. I don't want to be a part of his Brody. But yeah, no, I'll break it down. I'm sorry to fam. No, it's made you a Brody expert.

Yeah, you're the Brody whisperer. There we go. Yeah, yeah, no, I dig it. You'll go to jail soon. Sessions, our racist possum, defended his decision not to appoint a special counsel to investigate the FBI, like the GOP wanted him to. He's like, I'm not doing it. There's not enough criminal shit to be justified. But then he also said that the Mueller investigation has, quote, taken on a life of its own. Well, okay.

Yeah. What does that mean? I don't quote, taken on a life of its own. Well, okay. Yeah. What does that mean? I don't know if it's bad or good. Exactly. Like, it's just taken it like it's grown legs, I guess. Yeah, these are observations. It's a big damn investigation, you know. So people keep saying they think it's close to over and I wonder if it's far from over.

I keep wondering like, if I don't know, man. Things keep getting added to it But like we have 80 maybe 90 people on our fantasy and diamond team. Yeah, and that's just And that's you know, I would I would be willing to say we only know about 10 to 15% of the people Yeah, that are involved in this case not to say that there's gonna be you know 500 indictments, but There's more information about the same people perhaps. Yeah, that too. Yeah.

And I don't know if it's going to all come out or not. Or are we going to have to wait 40 years for them to be unclassified? I'm not going to be alive. We got to know soon. You can probably upload your brain to the... I was going to say, there's like blood transfusions. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I almost got more baby.

I was like, wait, no, you could totally take out blood. You could get the FBI blood Transition. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I almost got more baby. I was like wait no you could totally take our blood You get the FBI Definitely, well there's all be added dialysis on her. Yeah, I regenerate your brain. It's a good brain We gotta keep it My blood type isn't be possible. Yeah keep her alive She's got to see the papers That's her weird element. Because I'm totally normal.

Jill Stein turned over documents to the special counsel related to Russia, but refused to fully comply. And her reason is ridiculous. Julie, so you got to tell me. You got to say what the reason is. Yeah, yeah. So essentially, I have to cut up, but I'm gonna paraphrase, because it's that crazy.

She basically said that it's impossible for her to recall every single Russian she may have had contacts with because of the millions of Russian heritage people she may have talked to in her lifetime. So it's just an impossible request. I'm so sorry, it could be anybody. I'm just so guilty. It's overwhelming.

She was saying like, it's prejudice against people of Russian descent that are living in the United something. Yeah, she literally said there could be million. And you know what, she's probably right about that number. There could have been millions of trolls involved with this, but I doubt she would know all of them. I mean, she's literally in a photo with Putin and Flynn.

Oh my god. So I mean, she's, she's needy been some shit. I just, I just love the, I couldn't possibly even know who all is Russian or not or how much like, how, what percentage of Russian do they have to beat? Like, oh my God. Seriously? I think she's buying herself some time, right? Like it just sounds like she must know that's a ridiculous.

I can literally hear the shredders from here. And offensive to Russians living in America, what does that even mean? I don't I don't know She it's it's a tailed Mary. Yeah, defensive to Russians to target them in this Right, just like it's how could you possibly ask me about Russians? I know that's just like a weird thing I say like a lot of people are Russian what are you racist? Just seems like she's trying to be tweet at her, hey, I want all your emails to Irish people. Yeah, there we go. Also, how much do you weigh? How many blacks do you know? Yeah.

So weird. Ask for the unaskable question. Yeah, I don't trust her. I... Right, how old are you? Yeah. Also on Friday, the NRA started setting aside years of documents linked to Kremlin Banker Torschen. We've done multiple stories on the NRA started setting aside years of documents linked to Kremlin Banker Torschen. We've done multiple stories on the NRA. Jalisa, you've covered this. Jordan, you've covered this.

We did a mini-suit on it. It looks like they're preparing for a possible subpoena. They're gathering all their shit. All right, everyone, skirt your loin. So this all harkens back to the email sent to Dearborn with the subject line Kremlin connection or Kremlin back channel or whatever the fuck it said that we've referred to on multiple occasions.

So keep your eye on that. I'm sure Jordan, you'll have an update. In due time. Yeah, as you're our Dearborn and Mashburn and our Aresha expert. Now that Julie says, got Broidy. Yeah, you got Broidy. Yeah, the NRA, I got the NRA. There's a...

I did it, yeah. There's so much. There is. We could probably each have five recurring segments. Yeah, we're like correspondence. We're our own daily show, yeah. So that makes you triber know age. Oh, nice.

How does it feel? I don't think he's suddenly black, yeah. Exactly, I didn't want to say that. I was like, that's just not. I feel like as a woman, I'm not being paid the same. You're probably right. Even in this parallel universe, I'm still oppressed. I want to, even in this completely made-up thing.

I can't even get away from it. There's a glass ceiling in my imagination. Oh, after a steep. I can't even get away from it. There's a glass ceiling in my imagination. After a steep guy at the leadership conference was complaining about how he didn't get promoted because he's a man or something and I'm like, well, you couldn't break through the glass floor. He's sucking egg. After a few hearings and asking Manifort to write a brief, the judge, in his case, dismissed his civil case against Mueller. It's over. Now, if I can remind you what this is, he filed two counts. One said that Mueller should have never been appointed in the first

place, and the second one said that Mueller was going outside of his scope. And taking on a life of its own, I guess. Like a tumor. And in response, the Mueller team gave the four-page Rosenstein memo, mostly redacted, that basically outlined what he was allowed to investigate in Manafort. And so the judge dismissed that one, but said, write me a brief on your first count that Mueller should have never been appointed in the first place.

And give it to me by April 11th, and I'll consider it. Well, she got it. She considered it. She's like no No, dude, so that was pretty much his last hope so man of fort is Fuck thank you. Oh nice with the We're getting really good If you have one word you want saying like that, anyone hit us up. We'll do it.

Yeah, any name, yeah. Yeah, like bill at your office. We'll do bill this. Yeah, we'll do it. We need one fuck up all out of the beginning now too. Just now. Yeah, we always do. We're not going to get it right to the first time.

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Everybody just right now hit pause. Mm-hmm. Go give us a rating. It would mean everything to us So like that's how we get on the charts. Yeah, I think yeah Exactly so do that. Yay. We would love you forever So this week's hot notes Jalisa you have an update on Brody and Nader. I do, yes, we have another Elliott Brody story, so this one broke on Wednesday, the Associated Press reported that George Nader, the guy who wired $2.5 million to Brody, was also secretly pushing his pro-UE agenda through Congress.

So this story basically highlights another instance of top Trump campaign officials coordinating with foreign political advisors to directly influence foreign policy during the 2016 US presidential election. And in this report, we learned that the money-nater centrabrowty was wired just weeks before he sent even more money to several US lawmakers who had some say in legislation regarding Qatar, which we know is UAE's rival in the Gulf. So according to this article, the 2.5 million was wired through Canada, and it was given to Brody with the sole purpose of persuading US lawmakers to turn on one of the US's

longtime allies, Qatar or Allies. So a month after this money was distributed, Brody organized a conference on Qatar's alleged quote ties to Islamic extremism. Yeah, and at this conference, Republican Congressman from California, Ed Royce announced that he would introduce legislation that would brand Qatar as a terrorist supporting state. Wow. Yeah. That's crazy.

They were serious about this. I mean, they got paid for it, so they delivered it. In July of 2017, Brody gave Royce $5,400 in campaign gifts, which we know as the maximum you can give by law. And then by November, Royce's bill, naming Qatar as a state sponsoring terrorism, was approved by the House Foreign Affairs Committee and is currently waiting review by the House Finance Services Committee. Wow. So institutionalized Islamophobia. For sure. Yes.

Legislative level progress. I mean, they were literally making headway here. If that travel ban goes through, I think Brody should be on it. Oh, for sure. Hi. Oh, that's so good. You know it's funny, anyone that thinks that Obama was like, Pro the Muslim ban, but they also think he's Muslim.

That always blew my mind. They're like, yeah, well, Trump's just doing what Obama said we should do. But you thought Obama was a Muslim. He wouldn't be able to come back in the States. Okay, sorry. You don't get to have your cake in the same room. You're a Muslim.

I was gonna stick it something too. I was like, I'm gonna say some. I think racist cake is what she is. We're thinking of Jewish. Yeah, it is. I'm half Jewish. I forgot. I forgot. I'm trying to think what would be on a racist case.

What kind of... Vubbogunushin. I honestly don't know. I'm so sorry for being a Jewish. Oh, no. If I'm a holy shit. We love remotes. Yeah. So basically the donation that Roy Scott was just one of many donations Brody had given to GOP lawmakers in 2016.

In fact, in just two months, Brody donated almost $600,000 to GOP members in Republican political committees, and all of these donations came right after his anti-Catara conference. By the way, that's more money than he's given donations in like the last 14 years combined. So he clearly had a hard on for this particular election. And in 2016, Brody's company, Sysrness? Sursonus. We talked about this a couple of times ago. They also received $200 million in contracts from the UAE, even though there's no record of having done official business together. So people are wondering, obviously, Mueller,

why they get their money. And not to mention in October, Brody Quote, raised the issue of Qatar at the White House in meetings with Trump and senior AIDS. In fact, on June 6th, Trump tweeted that Qatar was funding extremism. So Trump went along with this at some point, whether he claims he knew what they were doing or not. It's just the whole plan was working from, you know, the bottom to the top. And just a reminder, there are strict laws on foreign donations for political activities,

such as agents of foreign governments are required to register before lobbying, so that there is a public record of foreign influence. Something Brody and Nader both failed to do. And as we've covered before, Nader was at the Trump Tower meeting in December 2016. A month later, he met with Eric Prince and the top criminal and official Creole Demetrev. Well, make sure to note that the leader wasn't at the Trump Tower meeting.

In June. It was a Trump Tower meeting in December. Got it, he was at a Trump Tower meeting in December, right? There were two different ones that Miller was looking at. And so this was just another connection with the top Trump officials, but at a different time. And then when he got back, of course, we know that Mueller stopped him at the airport. And now he's a witness. So, ooh, side note, Royce, that congressman from California, he's not running for re-election. He said he'd rather focus on his committee this year instead of can't be on anything else.

When he knows all the men. Right. Oh, definitely. I mean, I guess he is doing us a service. It's just God fuck them. So anyways, with all of this Trump-Russia craziness going on, this potential backstory to anti-Catara legislative campaigns is just another dot in the continuous web of efforts

by foreign governments or their proxies to influence American politics without official registration or documentation. In other words, you know, they're shady motherfuckers. But that's that. Just sum up. Yeah, more on Brody and Nader, just, you know, the Brody bunch. And then just a reminder, just like can you tell us all who Brody was again and how fucked

up. Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. So Brody was Trump's top fundraiser. He essentially was the guy that was raising the most money during the campaign And he got all this money from this guy who's now a witness because he did so much terrible stuff that Mueller's like we need you and I mean it's now we know exactly what he was doing. So there's the 200 Minutes chair of the RNC. Yeah, let's yeah, hop guy. Yeah, like yeah, so top. Yeah as crazy as far as money goes if you're laundering

He's the one that approves. Like for sure. So yeah, he gives a stamp there. Londering approved. Yeah, I'm not being stupid. But that's crazy. But that's the latest. Yeah, good point, Jordan.

Yeah, he was the guy. Oh, yeah, no, you've just been doing such a good job covering him and it's like you just a little one week. Yeah, so it's all, I don't want people to like forget how important that guy is Everything both of them George Nader was was a political advisor for the UAE So they're both like top guys and these organizations Nader has partial immunity and he's cooperating which is huge. Yeah, no one else does that we know of that we know of

That could be who knows I mean Yeah, this is crazy, but that's that's what we. Of course, Molo is probably known as forever, so. I know, right. Yeah, getting a little sample platter. He listens to us, he's like, yeah, he just gives us. That's adorable. Yes.

All right, thanks so much for that. You are our bona fide broidi expert. Thank you. You could probably write a whole article and submit a device or medium or something. Ooh. I like that. We should all do that.

We should just do a little freelance, like from Molo Shiran on the side. You good. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you, H. I like that. We should all do that. We should just do a little freelance, let it from all of us here on the side. You good? Yeah. Thank you. Thank you, A.G. Yeah, do it. All right, Jordan, you have a story for us about the Trump Fox News meltdown.

I'm so excited about this. This was epic. It was so epic. It was epic and also terrifying. I watched the segment multiple times and I probably could have just done with one. And it was. So for those of you that did not see, Trump appeared on Fox and Friends this week to a group of three interviewers that were very excited to have him.

And then immediately their faces just went from just a stagnant smile for seven minutes straight to just nothing, just straight face. Somebody said it looks like somebody took the batteries out of that guy. Because at first he's like, hey, and then he's like, that is so true. Yeah, they're wrestling papers trying to just find a way to look busy sort of as Trump is going on this complete rant about everything. And he's on the phone, right? Yep, it's a phone interview.

It's three people sitting there on their little couch. It looks like good morning America. Yeah. Yeah. And and so, okay. First off, Trump opens up, just just comes out swinging with his idiocracy. He's like, this is Melania's birthday. So happy birthday, Melania. I decided I have to do it on your birthday my favorite quote is from Trevor Noah when because the the first question asked to the interview is by that one guy on Fox and Friends and he asks what do you get her for her birthday and Trevor Noah says it's like someone threw him a softball and he swung and hit himself in the dick Yeah Trevor Noah's segment on it is amazing Steven Colbert has a really good opening monologue that talks about it It is it was so hilarious how much this guy sucks. He talks. He talks about

Yeah, yeah, they ask him what he's gonna get and then he's like, oh, I got I mean, I got a very nice card Yeah, yeah, they ask him what he's gonna get and then he's like oh, I got I mean I got her a very nice card The I'll be in trouble at Edden get her I got her card. Yeah, the richest man supposedly in the world It's crazy and then he's like she did a great job of friends great job with friends They loved her and then I saw a quote from someone that was French being like she was fucking useless and literally did nothing He said nothing helpful. How do you get your porn star mistress $160,000 and get your wife a card? At least $161,000.

That's so true. That is so true. It's so offensive. Yeah, she's like, please give her a- Do I have to be a mistress for you? At least give her $160,000. Yeah. And a card.

131. How many gold and toilets does one woman need, really? Right. And what did that card say? Like, I am so sorry. I'm like, what? What could he, I don't know. That's just sad.

Yeah. I can't imagine him writing for some reason. Praewans for sure. That's what comes to mind. Just don't make your size flower. Just like, maybe he cut her a check. Like an a check. Like an apology check.

Yeah. Anyway, okay. So immediately, basically, Trump is off the rails. They try to ask him questions and keep him somewhat on topic, and it's just literally impossible for him. So if you have 30 minutes to spend being very frustrated, I really say you should go watch it. It's great to just see the evolution of the anchors, honestly. So

He goes in I really recommend watching the the Trevor Noah Rendition. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Oh, it's so good for sure So they start off the interview they start somehow talking he starts talking about how he's so much tougher than Obama was on I ran and how under Obama they were literally bringing barrels of money into Iran to fund them. He like like pirate ship barrels or something just filled with cash. Here's the thing. Obama we owed $15 billion to Iran and Obama paid it. Right. That's what happened. Right. Yeah. So of course Trump has to go this imagery like we're fucking just on pirate ships or something just doing sketchy deals with like I ran Whatever that's a whole other conversation, but anyway, so he segways with zero segway the the when the anchor finally gets a question

And he says all right, what about Ronnie Jackson? Let's talk about him So Trump's response to the Ronnie Jackson question as as we all know, he's the candidate for the head of the VA that just got, he withdrew himself because he's getting decimated by media. It's Trump comments on this saying that Democrats are obstructionists. And he goes on a rant about how ridiculous it is that it takes so long for people to get interviewed and confirmed by the House and Senate. And that it's criminal because these are quote unquote the best people in our country.

Oh my God. That are going up for these positions. I think he believes that. That is what I was going to say about this. This whole thing is just indicative that he gets into this character and he pathologically lies and he's able to deliver it and assume the character of a person where all those things were true. Yeah, truth and acting. Yes, it's honestly method acting is crazy, is terrifying.

Yeah. The anchors literally cannot get a word in. He's going on rants. They're trying to just say something and then... Okay, okay. Yeah. Yeah. These poor people are stuck.

It's as if they're watching a runaway train, but if they went and tried to stop the train, they would lose their jobs and their pensions. It is. It's crazy. It's just a nightmare for them. I would imagine. He asks, one of the anchors asks,

well, you say that how long it takes to get interviewed and confirmed as an issue, why don't the GOP leadership just sit there and wait it out and exhaust the question on the nominees and then try to of course try to say, yeah, that's what I'm telling them to do. I'm telling them to do that. So hopefully that's what they're going to start doing. He gets asked that if the obstructionists win when his nominees don't fight back, what

is he have to, what is he going to do about that? And mainly talking about, you know, Jackson stepping down after he was giving out pink killers like Altoids in the White House. And he says, well, I could also, I could say yes, they're losing, but I could also say no, which is a brilliant response. That's, is that what he said? Yeah, Trump said it. Well, I could yes They win but I could also say no they don't is very great in his So I imagine him in his head like you're doing fine, Trump. Just like he yeah, you're doing great Yeah, he keeps reporting all of his catchphrases. He says look him to the swab

All the hits after that he goes like another five minute round on how great of a man Jackson is and how sad it is that he's being targeted like this. Just have them in a fair with him already. Like, just go for it. Yeah. They ask him if he knows who he's going to put up for a VA, Secretary of VA.

He says he has an idea. Somebody with political capability. Someone unlike himself. The lowest qualifications, meaning they have a math and a brain. So someone political. Great. Just what we need to politicize the VA. Yeah.

Veterans. Thanks, buddy. You're in the right place. Washington, great. Yep. The anchors then ask him about Comey. This is when it starts getting more relevant to a week over here at Mollashiro. Asking about Comey, of course, he comes right out of the gates flying, saying that Comey is a

leaker and a liar. The most predictable response from Trump, we could have expected. Talks about how Comey's leaked. He's classified documents, which we are obviously now aware of actually we're not classified And Trump just watches Fox News. He admits to this interview that he does not watch CNN He does not watch MSNBC. He does not watch NBC He gives the reason for why he doesn't listen to NBC and he says that He was so good to NBC with celebrity apprentice and made them so much money and now they're so mean to him and he would expect that if he made NBC so much money, they would be a little bit nicer to him. At least he would.

He's free press. Exactly. So proof that this is how Trump's brain works. Literally, yeah. All squid pro crow. He's a broken. All it is. They go on and talk about Hillary, of course. He goes on this crazy ADD rant

just talking about, he's not even talking about this subject, they're talking about another one. And then he says CNN and then brings himself on his own tangent just saying how CNN is the most like, like, like, how they gave Hillary the questions to the presidential campaign debate before the debate and how CNN is the worst thing ever and he's like seriously, can you imagine how crazy that is if you guys did that Fox you'd be out of business. Okay yes I'm sure I'm sure that's totally how we go. Yeah they try to rain him in, he just cannot be raided, he keeps raising his voice talking over there. He sounded like he was on Coke. Yes.

It's that dragon energy Kanye was talking about. That dragon energy. Yeah. Yeah, they talk about Kanye and the interview, they're stupid enough to ask him about the specific interaction with Kanye. He starts, no, go ahead. I was just wondering if his favorite Kanye song is like, Niggas and Paris or something. I just wonder like if he's just because it says the end of the

thing. Yeah, like how down is he with the cause? Exactly. He's talking about how black people voted for him, but not as much as they should have and how black unemployment is a lowest in this country. It's ever been. And he says, quote unquote, his spanish unemployment is the

lowest in this country. It's ever been. And then back because they're all afraid to go to work. You're gonna deport their asses. Oh my God, that's so true. Yeah, and that, and he says, did I say employment or unemployment? Unemployment.

Oh good, okay, okay, I just wanna make sure I say that. Yeah, no, my thing is backwards. Oh God, I said it's back. Okay, got it, okay. I was like, oh shit, I forgot that. I wanna make sure he thinks. No, my thing is backwards. Oh god. I said it's okay. Got it. Okay. I was like oh shit. I fuck that I want to make sure he's not really represented Want to accurately report Trump's rant. Yes a complete rant They talk about yelling. He was like yelling raising his voice Root so rude and I have daddy issues. I was just like angry just hearing it

I was just like I can't take this right now. This is PTSD for me. Yeah, she's screaming Yeah, screaming talking over them not letting them get a word in they talk about Michael Cohen He says that the raids have nothing to do with Trump only Michael Cones is business and then like age He said earlier on he says that Cohen only handled a tiny tiny percentage of Trumps of fairs We all know this is gonna come out as We all know this is gonna come out as a few to the point of word for Just shove him in the ass of his own case lawyers. It's just so I I saw that and my jaw dropped to like That was your only defense. Yeah, and you just blew it. Yeah, I'm hinged man

You know saying it for weeks. It is I'm waiting for him to drop an end bomb I'm waiting for him to yeah, but what even matter? I'm waiting for him to... Yeah, but what did even matter? I'm waiting for him to call the Muslim ban. I'm waiting, you know, like, on this waiting. Yeah. He said that his appeal to Black American voters was, he says, this is a quote, he says, I mean vote for me. What do you have to lose? That is the most fucked up offensive argument to say. Rapist comment. It's just like, yeah, well some of you guys, like I'm sure, you know, it's just like, obviously you don't think highly of us generally, you know, you're like, what do you have to lose?

Your community has nothing. I mean, okay, but let's talk about my life. So inspiring. So inspiring. Yeah, we took away everything. What do you got to? Yeah, so what do you have to lose? Vote for me.

Why not? Easy. I don't think Trump understands the history of American slavery I think he really doesn't know why he hates black people. I think he's very confused And he thinks he doesn't hate black people. I think a lot of it we talked about this really racist don't realize that racist Yeah, did he ever see the Camo Bell Shades of America, I think in no I heard about it, but I didn't see it. He went to a KKK rally, and he was asking questions of the folks

that were there after the rally, and he's like, so what is it about black people you don't like? And the lady was like, they're mongrels, they're animals. They don't deserve to be alive. And he goes, is it tough like being a racist in society today, and she says, I'm not a racist. Oh my God. Like if that isn't like what is a racist to you?

What do you think a racist is? Name it, we have to name it, we have to agree here. If you're not, if calling African Americans mongrels and animals and less than human is not racist, what is? Exactly. And if you don't name it in legislation like that, that's how people get away with it.

When you have that gray area, that's how a lot of things slip through the cracks. And yeah, I know a poll in Texas tricky, but I feel like that's one of the ways that it's still like implemented on a political level is because we don't name it for what it is. Like hate crimes, it's like, oh, there's two sides to this.

You know, and they're both- Good people on both sides. Yeah, they're fine. People I'm sure is, it's not treat it like a real crime, like black and white crime. Yep. Oh, yeah. No pun intended.

Yeah. Yeah, it's, it's, yeah, so incredibly offensive to the groups that he was talking about. Oh, yeah. And as always, it doesn't seem to get it. It doesn't matter. They're from shithole countries anyway. Right, yeah.

Yeah. That would be a quoting Trump. Of course. Yes. I saw a sign in a business that said, all immigrants are welcome to this shithole. Like it was a pizza join or something. Oh, he was beautiful. Nice.

That's nice. Yeah. And then the last scariest thing that I think he says is he says in regards to the justice department because one of the anchors is like, this is your justice department. You're the one that's supposed to be taking control over this. And he says, you know, our Justice Department, I try to stay out of, but at some point I won't.

Ooh. Yeah, what the fuck does that mean? It's terrifying. Oh, it's like if Hitler had like a, and I don't know, people like get really sensitive when we compare Trump to Hitler, but what are we gonna wait until he's killing people when we're like,

oh, he is like Hitler. It's like there were things that led up to him killing people. Like a Trump may never get there, but like there's damaging things in between. You can see the steps. Like I was watching Handmaid's tale. Um, great. Are you caught up?

No, not caught up, but it's okay. There was just, this won't, this isn't really a spoiler alert. It's just one little aspect of the show. Because you know how they treat women in that day and like in that time and they would go back in time and they started to have dropping little hints about how it got there. Exactly. And one of them was she was going to go get her birth control refilled, was one of her errands and she had to have her husband sign. That was part of the rules. Like, he had to sign her paper for her to go get birth control.

So just this little changes, yeah, lead to that. Right. Fashes in that book by a nickname, Madeline, is that all bright? Madeline all bright? Yeah, yeah. We should probably put that in a book club. There's a book called How to Be a Dictator that my friend gave me as well. And it's it just outlines all these things.

Very well. We'll have a lot. Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah, undermine the mood. Yeah, not ironically, dreams. Yeah. Oh, this is a great guide. God, guidebook.

Yeah. All right. Well, thank you for that. Thank you. Yeah, of course. That rant was immense. Yeah. It was funny for a second and then it just got really scary, just like you were talking

about because it's like the the theory that he's speaking with and the unmitigated just rage and ego it's it's so scary and my boyfriend Ryan he brought this up he was like can you imagine if Obama got on to an interview and started talking like that it would be like what the fuck is going on what the fuck is it happening and that's why we don't look at like and this is not like I think a malicious thing either, but America does not look at a white rich man, the same way you look at a black rich man. It's almost like, that's how we should know racism is 11 well,

just the comparison of the presidents of the last, you know, two terms. It's just duh. You can hear it. Obama can't like slip up, not even that he was. Yeah, there's a glassy sky ever, but yeah. And the glassyling is a racial war of tan suit it was too much brown for the races yeah brown on brown does not sit right with that you did were a task yeah I thought that was

classiest fuck right in very ahead of his time what's wrong with handing don't why people love and like isn't that like their favorite thing I don't know yeah sorry it's some of us some of us turn orange. Oh my god. I don't think you can raise your races. No. I can't even define it. I don't know. I don't know. Be racists. Exactly. It's so weird. I don't know what's racist for a black person. And I don't know if it's different from it. It has to be. We got to might write a book about what we need to change the definition of racism. Yeah. Because right now it just says discriminating against someone for the color of their skin and I don't think that you can be a victim of racism if you aren't an oppressed group. Exactly. I think they need to add that. Yeah. Like, you know white people are like, there's reverse racism. If you don't like

me because I'm white that's racism. Why are you calling it reverse? Why do you have to reverse it? That's racism. Why are you calling it reverse? What do you have to reverse it? We're like the right original way towards black people America great again. Yeah, good old-fashioned racism. Great. It's so crazy I was listening to earlier Kanye records today and he talks about racism and then he's wearing the make America I'm just like what's going on? Dude, I don't like good rappers on both sides. You. I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't like it.

I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't like it.

I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't like it.

I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't like it. I do think that he's a manic person that has poignant and deep thoughts. I don't think Trump is the same way I think. I know, no, I swear to, I swear to, I think it's back if you're good as a kid. This is why they like each other. I love Kanye's music because that's like where he shows his best genius.

But if you look at the comparison to their marketing strategies, that genius is usually used in like really negative ways. Like the way that Kanye interrupts people and disrespects people and Obama had to call him a jackass. And so Kanye wanted to work with Obama about Chicago stuff. I know artists objective, but I just don't see it.

Oh, the music. Well, if you like, you don't think your legs, your older lyrics are very, a lot of people thought the doors were genius too. And I think that that's silly. So, that's fair, that's fair. It might just be me. Yeah, it is subjective, but I think there are artsy so. Oh, okay. That's fair, that's fair. It might just be me. Yeah, it is subjective, but I think they're artsy

and they're very good. Mojo Ryzen, you mixed up the letters of your name. You're the lizard king, I don't care. I like what Dennis Leary said. He's like, I'm drunk, I'm famous. I'm drunk, I'm nobody, I'm drunk, I'm famous, I'm drunk, I'm fucking dead. That's Jim Morris.

We're still live by. Yeah, we're dead by. Big fat dead guy in a bathtub, there's your title. That's not me, We're still live by. Yeah, or die by. Big fat dad guy in a bathtub. There's your title. That's not me, that's that's that's that's clear. Yeah, before any listener, I feel like we need to say I'm not supporting Kanye. I support Kanye's music and I'm having a hard time

like supporting the man anymore. It they said very different. And some people just don't listen to people that don't like, I don't listen to Chris Brown because he's a woman leader. Yeah, so with Kanye, I don't know, this is a tough one for me. Yeah. I love his music. I feel even if he's being a troll, it's not okay.

It's just a terrible, his power as an artist for like black people that are poor and came from like a state of mind that he came from because he was middle class, but still you know it's the struggle in its own right. And he just totally is turning his back on everything he wrote about in his music. Like his whole catalog is just like the corruption and racism in America and like poverty. And now he's just like I have $160 million so let's make America great again. I think that's awful. Yeah, Kanye is my moresees and asshole. Yeah, and I was a super bummed about that because I grew up on the Smiths.

You let it go. You never went back. You never forgave him. I feel like Kanye might actually go to a point of no return for me. And he's the person I would defend forever. And now I just, I can't. If he was wrapping about all the stuff that you're talking about, I don't know that I'd be able to take it seriously. Yeah. I think maybe he was just selling records. I think so whole time. Yeah. I think he's been lying to himself the whole time. But I don't know that I'd be able to take it seriously. Yeah. I think maybe he was just selling records. I think so whole time. Yeah, I think he's been lying to himself the whole time.

But I don't know. I really, I don't listen to him enough to be a, you know, a judge of it. There are a lot of people that started off with him that wrapped up the same things and saying about, like, John Legend, he came up with Kanye and he, Well, John Legend. Yeah, he was tweeting Kanye or messaging him and Kanye tweeted the text messages and John Legend was, or John Legend was like, please don't do this. Your fans, they trust you. They believe everything you say,

don't use this for marketing. And Kanye was like, dude, I respect your thoughts, but don't disrespect my free thinking. And Kanye's just, he's in his own head. He's so can't be tame. And here's something that's important to note. You're free to have your opinion. I do not have to respect it.

Exactly. That's the end. You can't force someone to respect it. You do not have to respect it. Exactly. That's the end. You can't force someone or something. You do not have the right to not be offended by me. Yeah. So I agree. I agree. He was also really careful to not say that he was in favor

of any of his policies per se, just simply his existence as a person. Even then, it's like, are you even paying attention to who he is? I'll think that. Like, right. That's like Dave can tell us. Exactly. Give Trump a chance. We gave him a chance, and now we to who he is. I think that, like, right. That's like, they could tell the same. Yeah, exactly. Give Trump a chance.

We gave him a chance and now we know who he is. And you can't tell me that you're still like, this guy's my brother. It's like, what kind of brother do you want? Like, if I have relatives that are like sexual predators, I'm not gonna be like, but that's my uncle though, we got that dragon energy. So basically, yeah, I just think Kanye,

it's like, he's at a point where I just can't support him anymore. Pointing over turn. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, it's crazy. Sucks. It does at a point where I just can't support him anymore. Pointing over turn. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, it's crazy. Sucks. It does suck. You're in such a, yeah, whatever. I'm white, so I can't have a, you know, I don't understand.

I don't understand. I don't. I, okay. But from my perspective, it's like, you were such brilliant lyricists and like producer, and then now, why would you fucking align yourself with this guy? Yeah, and I can say it's my Morrissey, but Morrissey's white as fuck so it's not to say, you know? Right, similar enough. Right, I do try to understand, but it's, you know, like you said Jordan, we can't know.

We just can't. All right, so I'm going to talk to you today about the House permanent select committee of intelligence, sorry, on intelligence. That's questionable questionable and their final report released on Friday, which is the Republican conclusion That despite telling us About a grip of meetings and secret meetings and covering it up with the Russians and their failure to report They they find there's no collusion Between Trump and Russia. They're like they it's 223 pages of all the meetings that everyone in the Trump campaign had with Russia and all of the times they covered it up and they're like, but no collusion. That's crazy. Further evidence that this is a sham investigation. And not the Mueller

probe, the House Intelligence Committee investigation. And the Senate's still going strong. So much faith in them, hopefully they'll produce. And I can't wait until the... We flipped the Congress and they reopened this case in the House. Oh, I didn't even think about that. In the House Intelligence Committee and reopened the investigation. We're going to be around for a while. I was like, we're just doing this cool, quick six month podcast. We're good. 26 weeks and we aren't even... We haven't even started the Manafort trials. Buckle up. So dang.

It's gonna be good. And like I said, Congress doesn't even get back in session until January, so we gotta go at least that long. Wait, you made your sense when since like from the November elections or? Right, when we elect everyone in November, they don't, they don't start working until January. Cool, cool, cool. It's still the old shitty congress for for the holidays right right shitty holiday is so forward to you shitty Congress for the holidays It's it's a it's a good thing the Republicans color is red so that you won't be able to see the blood in November It's going to be very messy and glorious like the fight scene between between Beatrix Kitto and the crazy idiots at the end of Kill Bill.

I think it'll be a kind of that. Oh yeah. Anyhow, I digress. The HPSCI, we've been calling it the HIC House Intelligence Committee, Republicans released a 253-page final report on their findings in the Russia investigation. It took 253 pages to say they found nothing. Basically concluding, the Trump campaign did not collude with Russia in the 2016 election. This report was probably supposed to exonerate the president, but this piece of shit, full of spelling and grammar errors, by the way, and all sorts of typos is basically a roadmap

of what a bullshit investigation this was and what a disgrace the House Intelligence Committee was on the GOP side. of what a bullshit investigation this was and what a disgrace the House Intelligence Committee was. On the GOP side, much like the brief majority and minority reports released right after the GOP shut down the investigation that we've covered, the Republican report basically says, yeah, Trump and his guys met with Russians a lot and failed to disclose that a lot and they were probably doing wrong things,

but there was no collusion. And the Democrat response says, quote, here's the zillion things the GOP didn't give a shit to ask about, basically. So for example, the GOP refused to follow up on a lead that could have proven Trump had advanced knowledge of the 2016 Trump Tower meeting. Donald Trump Jr. apparently made three calls

after he set up the meeting. The first and third calls were two and from M.M. Agalarov. He probably called him and then got his voice mail and then M. and called him back. And then middle call, he got a phone call from a block number. And the Dems wanted to find out who that was. And the Republicans blocked them from doing so. Why? Shiff said, quote, they didn't want to know whether he had informed his father and sought permission to take that meeting with the Russians. They don't want to know. You shouldn't ask questions. You don't want to know the answer to him. Exactly. If that call to a private number or from a private number was his father, it would mean the president has lied about when he knew about the meeting and it would show he was an active participant in the matter. It speaks to the, it speaks to

all the majority was determined to ignore. Unquote, basically, determined to ignore so many facts. The reason Dems suspect Trump knew about the meeting is that because on June 7th, the day after Donald Trump Jr. made those three calls after he set up that meeting. Trump said in a speech, quote, I am going to give a major speech on probably Monday of next week. And we're going to be discussing all of the things that have taken place with the Clintons.

And I think you'll find it very, very interesting. The Trump Tower meeting happened two days later. And the promised dirt was never handed over. And the major speech never happened. So that's... Big out plane! I know it's connecting dots, it's, you know, it's not beyond a reasonable doubt or, you know, it's not proof beyond a reasonable doubt, but...

It's definitely smoke. And if, and I'm sure Muller knows who that call was from. Oh yeah. So I wonder if we'll ever find out you guys could keep my head alive. Just to freeze my head. There we go. I like how you act like you're like a hundred years older. She's preparing that far behind you. If it was 40 years to release of I'll be, dude. I'll be like RBG. Each week of covering this too, it feels like a year.

Yeah, we're just gonna come in just like just a visible signs of aging. It's too much. Right, like Obama's hair after he was passed. Yeah, I mean, they give me major speech Monday. So DT Jr. sets up the meeting basically calls calls Emma, no answer, calls, or his dad calls and says, hey, I got a meeting to get dirt on Hillary and her emails. And then Emma calls him back and this time he answers and says, thanks bro. And then Trump says, I'm going to make a speech Monday about the Clintons and then the meeting happens.

They don't get the dirt and then there's no speech. It's so suspect. Either that or Donald Trump Jr. called Emmaem they decided he'd call his father because he he doesn't get email and plausible deniability is good with phone calls Right So there's smart criminals or they're dumb criminals. Yeah Yeah, they just thought someone was on their trail. I didn't know the FBI could image phones So I would assume they did anything in the movies They're pretty realistic. Yeah, yeah. Like seriously, like, except like

are imitating life. Yeah, totally. Anyway, the House Intelligence Committee Dums never got to find out who called innocent people don't hide that shit and people in Congress that aren't compromised don't ignore those kinds of things unless they don't want anyone to know who called Donald. Trump, the junior, It makes zero sense. If there was no collusion, then no one should care if we find out who called him. Right. You're blocking it from happening, actively blocking it, not asking, not like blocking. But don't worry, Mueller knows, like I said, and when the Dums take over Congress, they'll

reopen this case and investigate everything. Yes. Shift wanted to investigate. Shift. How do they do that without changing the subject of the investigation? What do you mean? Today, not have to switch. Can they reopen an investigation into the same thing? Yeah, it's not a criminal trial.

Not like double jeopardy or anything. No, there's no. Nice. I didn't know that. That's awesome. And there are a few other things we know that we didn't know before because of this report thanks to the idiot Republicans. For example, not all Republicans are idiots don't email me.

For somebody said, I can't remember who it is. I think it might have been Bill Mar. He said, look, I'm not saying all Republicans are racist. What I'm saying is all racists are Republicans. Yeah. Honestly, that's gotta be true. I've never met a racist diva. No, no.

If you're out there, please tweet at us. Let us know. Yeah, or at least not explicitly racist. Not as overt racist, right? Yeah, yeah. For example, here's some things that we found out. We already knew sessions had a secret meeting with Kissley Act in 2016, and he lied to Congress about that.

We knew that. But what we didn't know is that the I.C. told Trump in sessions, the intelligence community, sorry, told Trump in sessions that they perceived Russia as a threat 22 days before that happened. We didn't know that. We also knew that Pop-A-Dop was added to, that's Pop-A-Dop was, I assume everyone's been listening for ever. Yeah, someone's like, wait, who? Pop-A-Dop, what is she talking about, eight miles four?

We also knew Papa Dopolis was added to Trump's NAT SEC team, that's national security team, on March 21, 2016, because that's what he told a Greek newspaper. But what the GOP report tells us is that he was a member of that team by March 14, which is critical, because Papa Dopolis also told the Greek newspaper that he met privately with Trump earlier in the week And if that was after he was on the net the national security team

Then he most certainly told Trump about miff sued which is why Trump praised pop it up a list by name on March 21st when he added him quote-unquote to the security council That also explains the lack of surprise from Trump that JD Gordon reported That also explains the lack of surprise from Trump that JD Gordon reported in that meeting when pop it up Pop it up was announced his Russia stuff to the to the National Security Council in that meeting You know the Instagram picture meeting exactly And Trump didn't react because he already met with pop it up It's a new about miff's hood and the email offer his poker face is just awful. Can he even pretend? That means Trump has known about contacts with Russia earlier

than ever previously reported, and two months prior to the Trump Tower meeting, I already had emails on his mind. So, now that's, sorry, it just seems, that's really good work. It's conjecture. Oh yeah. But I'm right.

Okay, absolutely. Yeah, yeah, finally we love it. One of my strengths is a leader, I'm always right. That should be your catchphrase. Yeah. Finally. We love it. One of my one of my strengths is a leader. I'm always ready. That should be your catchphrase. Yeah. Second catchphrase. I wish I could that's conjecture, but I'm right. Yeah. That's how I legitimately like the preface everything I say in my life. Yeah. Yeah. Just just have a shirt. Yeah. I'm an empath. Finally, we learned that the reason Kushner told Flynn, we're going back to Kushner and Flynn now, to start calling the Russian ambassador

about the UN vote on Israel, the day after the resolution was announced, is because he already set up the back channel with Kisleyak and he wasn't worried about being found out. He snuck, because he snuck Trump, he snuck Kisleyak into Trump Tower 20 days prior and tried to set up that back channel. So basically, I'll explain this a little bit, I'll unpack it for you.

A Kushner told Flynn to start calling the... Okay, so there was a UN resolution on the floor, right, to about Israel and their settlements on the Gaza Strip. And basically Obama wanted to abstain from voting and to basically send a message to Netanyahu like dude you gotta stop this shit I know we're pro Israel but we're not gonna vote on this one. And then immediately all of everyone on the Trump team started calling all the UN ambassadors and asking them to delay the vote because they were pro this thing. Or against being against it.

They pro Israel. Yeah. And vote for them all the time 100%. Yes. No other option. And so, Flynn, Kushner told Flynn to call the Russian ambassador about the UN vote the day after the resolution was announced. And he did it cavalierly and without caution.

And the reason has to be is because they had a back channel set up to do these kinds of things. after the resolution was announced, and he did it cavalierly and without caution, and the reason has to be is because they had a back channel set up to do these kinds of things. He might have used that secret back channel in order to get that done. So the GOP, again, may have shot themselves in the foot, but nothing is as amazing as this typo in the report. Quote, questionable contacts like the Trump Tower meeting resulted in collusion, conspiracy or coordination with the Russian government. They meant to say did not result in collusion and they left that part out.

That is so funny. I think it can even lie. You can keep a straight face on people. I like to imagine they have two files. One says truth and one says lies. And then one says, really, they make lies. They make lies. They make lies.

Totally. Who put the truth in my lies folder? Come on, guys. They're on a tight shit track. That's why it's all mixed up. He was the truth in my paper. Who put the truth in my lies folder? In my co-feffi. Also, it was pretty hilarious how much the DOJ redacted this report. Like, obvious shit we know. Like, they like, blank went to Moscow in 2016 and it's page, right? And then they blank, you know, I'm just, and we know all these things. We know all the redacted material, but the DOJ I think was just like these assholes.

Let's just redact a shit out of this. Yeah. So that their report looks stupid. And let's not tell them about their typos and grammar problems. It's so poorly written. I want to believe it is just a rebel and he's just like, I'm gonna tell the truth. Yeah. People deserve to. Pop that out of there. That's so funny. Yeah. The entire investigation in the house was a sham. You guys in this report and the Democrat response just highlights that. I compare this report to here's what I said on Twitter. I said, imagine because I wrote, you know, all the Republicans in Trump are like, I'm exonerated. It's the report is out. No collusion. And

here's what it's like. It would be like if the Gambino bosses from the Gambino family were arrested. And then a bunch of lower guys in the Gambino family put together a commission to investigate the bosses and then decided they were innocent. Exactly. That's what just happened. Right. But the people that believe this is a victory, they have no idea. They probably really either watch Fox News or don't watch really anything and they don't

know that the GLP is a blog because I was even most shocked by that to find out that Congress was so and I mean you just there's so many of them that were in on this that of course they're going to cover it up. Our investigation was stronger than the seriously the house and the average for a lot of my friends like they just don't watch any news and so they just don't even know they think that if the Congress says this or like oh it's it's Congress, it must be true. I mean, Congress is Congress. I'm like, no, you don't know who's in Congress right now. Like, these are not good people. They cheated to get there. Seriously. So it's, yeah, education, man. Gosh. Yeah, it's like how so Starbucks

says, I think I may have already preached about this, but they say that they're all fair trade, but they actually only 10% of their coffee's fair trade. The rest of it, they just created their own certification for a fair fight. And it's like, well, that doesn't count. Knowledge is power. That's how people do it. You can't create your own verification systems. That is the biggest underlying of justice ever.

I'd like to say that some of our proceeds go to act blue, but not all of them. Right, let's make that clear. Just transparency. Yeah, yeah, now that we're on the topic, still in the red, we're trying to get that paid off, but I am making a continuous and consistent donation. We're responsible people. Not all the proceeds. Right.

Trump could be that self reflective just every now and then that's all I mean, we're not asking for much. It's like we joke about the fact that we're president. Yeah, just be a president. This is insane. This whole podcast is based on the fact that our president is just like not normal. He's under investigation. Not even a normal person, I think. Like what's God. Yeah, I don't know guys. All right, we'll be back in a second. We'll talk more about this, okay? Thanks for listening to Muller She wrote. The She in Muller She wrote is no accident. Did you know we are 100% women owned and operated?

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Alright, we're back. You guys ready for the fantasy indictment league? Yeah! Alright, so, a new story that sounded old. Dropped about our old friend, Vesonetskaya. She's the Russian lawyer that went to the Trump Tower meeting with promises of dirt on Hillary Clinton, but really just ended up giving a magnet ski lecture and handing over the same dossier to the Trump team that she gave to Rorobacher a couple months earlier, but no collusion.

The headline for The New York Times is, quote, Russian lawyer at Trump Tower meeting had closer ties to Kremlin than previously disclosed. So we here at MSW were correct. Ding ding ding. And if you're a bengalist, and you read this, and you read this and went, yeah, we know that already. This means she could have lied to special counsel about her ties to the Kremlin, which means I'm bumping her up in the fantasy indictment team. Oh, yeah. Also, there's a few sealed indictments on the docket right now. I think one of them is for Manafort.

If you remember my prediction that Manafort will have superseding indictments for collusion, I think they're coming. And they've been there since January. And I think that once legislation is passed in New York closing the double jeopardy loophole, those puppies are going to drop. Oh, Oh snap. Yeah like Peter Brady's voice in season 3 episode 16 of the Brady Punch. I make a lesson from other nature and if you do you'll know Where it's time to change, then it's time to change And then I have one more theory I want to drop on you guys

I was asking and I've had some discussions and I still don't know the answer What if new Congress, new Democratic Congress Now here's first let me set this up by saying, we can retroactively declare war. We did it for 9-11. It's basically, it's like, you know, all the people who are veterans from that time of war will get special benefits or special consideration. And all the money can be spent different from different buckets and just all sorts of reasons to go back and declare war to a date in the past.

And I'm wondering if New Congress, Democrat Congress, declares war, cyber war on Russia, either going back to the Cold War or just 2015, that would categorize all the Trump crimes as treason. You're totally right. So I'm retroactively speaking, that would make total sense. And I looked, I don't know that ex-post facto applies because it's not a law to declaration of war and I don't know if the writ of a tanger applies. I've done a lot of research trying to figure out if this is feasible. Right. And I don't honestly know. I really can't say. That's how you heard anybody talking about that in Congress at all?

I haven't heard. This is the first I've heard of it is when it came out of my brain. Interesting. So, I don't know. That would be awesome. I mean, if we get the benefits that we're looking for, but I don't know. That would be awesome. Well, we did it with 9.11 and I'm sorry to catch you off. I was just thinking about a lot of experts

with this whole Russia thing. They say that this is like the new 9.11, but people aren't looking at like the burning towers in this case. They're like, they're all delayed to it. So maybe like you're saying retroactively, if it happened with 9.-11 being that that was an instant attack that everyone acknowledged and then this is I guess by Experts you know supposed to be a new 9-11 that could happen. I don't see why not and I think Trump has actually been negligent and not declaring it totally an attack. Yeah How much power would the house have is that their thing and they can do that they can declare war no matter like they don't need anyone else. Congress has to authorize war. So the whole Congress. Okay, but not but like sometimes not even anymore. Like sometimes we call things war that aren't actually wars so that we can get the benefit of calling it a war. Like the Vietnam conflict was never a war. Okay. But like there's sometimes just presidential authorizations for use of force like Obama and Syria

Stuff like that. Yeah, and Trump when not like Obama and Syria He didn't he couldn't get congressional approval so he didn't but Trump did not get congressional for the Association for war for bombing Syria either time interesting, but he's putting it up under the 9-11 thing because it's against Terrorism, but it's not it's Syria. So so we can be it's against terrorism, but it's not. It's Syria. So we can be done basically. My only thing would be that people going back in history wouldn't see an event that is as catastrophic as 9-11, so it would be harder for them to maybe decry that retroactively. Even though you believe it's just as bad, obviously, right?

Well, that Obama wasn't tough on it. Tough enough. Sorry to criticize Obama, but he wasn't tough on it. Tough enough sorry to criticize Obama, but he wasn't tough on Russia. He wasn't tough enough on Russia during, you know, his news. Yeah, you're totally right. It's not to see that you're wrong about anything, but it is a new type of war.

Yeah, I just not wrong about anything. Never any. And there's another consideration too. You could just charge him with treason and have him take, like Sue and go to the Supreme Court you could just charge them with treason and have him take like Sue and go to the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court can decide if we are actually at war. Oh cool That's cool. I didn't know that unless it's I mean, you know, obviously it has to go through the lower court Right. It's a couple of different avenues. The Supreme Court could kick it back It would have to stick with the last court's right, but it's not the bicameral legislature that has to have any sort of

Bearing on it. This the courts can they may or may not I don't know that's just it. I just don't know. Yeah, this is crazy. They could be so many different avenues for this Yeah, I mean it would make sense right because cyber warfare if you just conceive of war as people dying and it's different now We were attacked mm-hmm. Yeah, I mean hacking is one thing like what China does they just hack and grab But hacking and grabbing and using the weaponizing. Yeah, yeah. What you've hacked that's war. They assaulted us.

It's just not in ways that we're used to. Like you're saying Jordan, it's got to be an awakening of the nation to what is the new war, you know, the new big crime. It's not a nuclear power as much as it is. Like he has Putin has control of our election grids. He claims right? He has like control. He shut down stuff.

Yeah. So he's like, you know what? You guys are either going to do it, I say or eventually I can shut down everything. And I don't believe he would not do it. Why wouldn't he? He murders people for a sport. Of course, he would shut down America. He'd laugh the whole time.

He's proven already that he is not beyond weaponizing cyber attacks. Yeah. People need to wake up. Telefriend. Yeah. Telefriend. Yeah. Telefriend. Pass it along. Just at your next party, just be a buzzkill.

Next little brunch. Treason. Telefriend. Yeah. Tattattah. Retroactive forward declaration. Let's talk about that over dinner. Yeah, it's conjecture, but I'm right.

You think you're safe, seriously? Yeah. I love that catchphrase. Are you guys ready for sabotage? Yes. Seriously. I love that catchphrase. Are you guys ready for sabotage? Yes! Alrighty, you guys I'm sure heard about this. It's been speculated on by a few people in my inner circle and now it's spreading, the rumor is spreading, that Trump is actually the person who made the $1.6 million payout to a Playboy playmate

to get an abortion and Broady is the fall guy. For that to be the thing that Trump says, okay, I'm not going to take the fall for this personally because it seems like what Stormy Daniel T. Caved is at the amount of money you think, he's like, that's just too much money to cover up. I don't know, but what I know for sure is that he's acting like this Stormy Daniels thing is worse than it is. Right. So that's why I, he's acting like this could be true.

Which means that of course if he paid more money, I would be a bigger deal. Yeah, because you paid for an abortion. That's right. I think that's political suicide if you're in the public debt. I mean, you would want to believe it, and I bet you're right. I just also, there's a little part of me that's afraid

that it wouldn't matter. No, yeah, Trump supporters would be like, she was a whore. Yeah, yeah. Because it would have been abortion or something. Right, the social things I wanted to bring him down, but it might be the illegal things. Yeah, like, the social things,, like all of us would want that,

like the grab them by the pussy and you know, dropping the in bomb, like we want to believe those things would make a difference, but his base and the GOP is proven that it does not matter, right? Yeah, he said I could shoot somebody in the middle of Fifth Avenue and I wouldn't lose voters. And he basically did, because it building caught on fire and a guy died on Fifth Avenue.

Oh, Jesus. And he didn't have a sprinkler system installed. You're so right. He pretty much killed somebody on Fifth Avenue and he didn't lose any voters. I think it's actually ticked up a sprinkler system installed. He's so right. He pretty much killed somebody on Fifth Avenue, and he didn't lose any voters. I think it's actually ticked up a couple of percentage points. Yeah, you're right. Now he's up for real, like people are like,

yeah, now I'm voting for him, he's got. Yeah. Kill the guy. That is crazy to think about. That he's very, yeah. All right, questions, time for questions and comments. At Al Smith, 75146234, also known as if six was nine, asked, quote, is Jill Stein on your fantasy league list?

She's getting more attention these days. I've heard you mention her, but definitely thinks we're the of consideration. Yeah, I would love to report on her maybe one day or something, because I feel like we haven't talked too extensively about that, but that's not. That would be great. I still have a mini-sode available.

Oh. It's all right. So maybe we could do a Jill Stonk. Yeah, very nice. All right. It was going to be why Cohen would flip that's the first one. Yeah, or yes, Monday. That's today. It's okay. At down a Festo says quote, when Mueller calls Ivanka Eric and Donald Trump Jr. Which one do you think will flip first? Somebody said Baron. Yeah. somebody said barren yeah practicing his car wheels Melania I wonder if Melania is cooperating just just yeah so great just like I fucking hate yeah just just fine there's such thing as like synchronized flipping like a beautiful like choreography like dolphins yeah tandem tandem diving definitely the whole family's in on it That's such a beautiful way to imagine them

just taking them down. I would like to think that because I Vanka cried when Trump said that about the pussy grabbing thing that maybe she'd flip first, but I don't know. Who knows? You're right though, that would be the only tip off. I really, they're all such terrible, terrible,

terrible people with such awful men in her life Like just like latent teenage rebellion. Yeah, you dad. You know what? I'm done They probably been waiting for this moment Drake. I'm Drake. Oh, Malphoy a.k.a Eric Trump a.k.a What do you do? Nesferatu

I can't tell you where I got that picture, but I love it. Yes, so good. Ian Harvey, a friend of mine, who was just on Will and Grace. He just made it on to an episode of Will and Grace. Amazing. Congrats. He's so great. He's just all around awesome human being.

He has. How long before Rudy G. Quits and under what reasons? I think it'll be soon, and I think it's going to be because of... That's too hard. He's part of the investigation. He's under investigation by the FBI right now. I'm I'm that's again conjecture, but I'm right for The leaks from the New York field office on the Hillary emails on the weener laptop Love saying the weener laptop because I have one No, it just have to.

It's just shaped like dig and balls. It's just all weiner's all the time. He's just opening it up in his weiner's. I love it. Ergonomically, it's horrible, but they are, aren't they? Very bad for the wrist. Let's see, it nevermind. So I think it'll be soon, and I think it'll be because he,

I don't think he's going to be allowed to represent him because he's under investigation in this investigation. And I think that we're going to there's going to be some evidence in the Cohen raid that might also implicate him. So I think for those reasons not long. Right. At five Hampton five, Janelle asked, quote, do you think Trump will become a target at some point? I don't know if, um, if Mueller's going to indict him or not, uh, Mueller might go by strict constitution and DOJ rules and just, um, write his report on obstruction and recommendation for impeachment and then indict everybody else because he may, he may be of the ilk that you can't indict a sitting president. Um, so I really honestly don't know. That's my, I'm leaning toward that that he can't indict a sitting president. So I really honestly don't know. That's my,

I'm leaning toward that that he won't indict Trump. He'll just write a report recommendation. Yeah. He would be very careful of him to be by the book. It would. Yeah. And, and, sorry. Yeah, I was just going to say it's very by the book and he, he, he also, I feel like he would think that was political theater or something. Yeah. In writing the president would be very dramatic. I don't think he'd want that kind of attention if he could avoid it. Especially in an investigation where the intelligence community has been attacked this entire

time to do something that's a little bit more extreme. You could maybe put it in history books. Yeah, I don't want to run the risk of it going. Like, homie, yeah, he'll pass it to the reporters in the Congress. Like, hey, you guys make this final choice. Yeah, we're just going to do our job. And I just, I imagine Mueller saying that it's, it's not my job to impeach the president.

It's the people's job to impeach the president. Very cool, me ask. Yeah, yeah, or just not re-imullery. Very democracy. Yeah. Yeah. Much democracy. I was thinking the other day, as Trump is going insane,

we're all just really blindly relying on the foundations of our Constitution. They were to hope that they do. It's scary though, because we're getting right up to the edge with this guy. It worked on Clinton and it worked on Nixon. So I have faith despite the facts that they didn't have Fox and friends like I get that they didn't have an organization behind them that was like affecting 33% of the population. But those 33%.

I don't think they're gonna be enough to overcome all. Like if the blue wave is a true blue and like the Russians don't swoop in and somehow, what if they screw up the numbers? Like, they've done it before in Ukraine. Yeah, that's why we have to be very, very diligent. Very aware. Yeah.

Actually, we have to get out and vote, particularly young people. Don't mess with my mind, man. Yeah Very aware. Yeah. We have to get out and vote, particularly young people. Don't mess with my mind, man. Yeah. Yeah. Seriously. If I watch the election results and it turns out that only 17% of you showed up to the polls,

like, come on. I'm being angry. But what would we be mad? We have to know if the numbers are mess with by knowing how many people are on board. There's a chance that, you know, Putin already did this last time and we just haven't caught. Like he does. And that's why we absolutely have to make sure we do this

hard because we're fighting two battles. We're fighting Republicans and Russians. Absolutely. Wow. The two are. I know. God. Yeah. Jason, JC Duelos won first apologize for asking questions every week and then said regarding Rosenstein is he technically a witness how can he oversee the investigation? Oh yes. I don't know if... I don't know if he, you know, Muller might have just left that whole piece out. It's not like him though, so I don't know. He may be waiting to investigate until he's closer to the end. On that piece he may wait to interview Rosenstein as a witness until the very lasties. So that, if he has to recuse himself,

it won't be for long. Right. What if it's that, like, this is one of those areas where, because now that I think of it, I'm like, yeah, Rosenstein is totally a witness. He's part of the Komi Fire, right? Are the Komi Six?

Is he like one of the guys? No, he wrote the letter recommending Komi's firing. There we go, okay, so yeah, he's in it though. So the bullshit pre-ticks. Yeah. It's almost seems like they're choosing to I don't know if it's like that gray area where they're like maybe it's worse if we let someone come after him than it is to let him stay because they could be very technical with the law and then they can be very vague and it seems like this is one of the times where of course Mueller had to ask himself this question too right? Well Mueller's

under him so I guess it wouldn't be his call but who would be the one to even say that it's okay if you can stay like you're okay with me. Oh him. Wow. It's a lot of trust in one. I want to jack like that. Yeah it's pretty job security on a fleek. No I believe in Rosen's probably sessions and I'm sure Mueller would advise him. So yeah there's a lot of filters. I'm about to interview you. Pro you got to recuse. Yeah, it's a great question, but I do believe that enough people with, you know, enough non-involvement have said, well, he can clearly stay. This is politics. It's not

that like there's a there's a there's a legality to it. For sure. We aren't clear on it. Mueller knows and that's what he's doing. I feel like they have their reasons. Yeah. I just trust. Honestly, I just trust whatever Mueller has this doing and that whatever he's doing is legal I hope you find out the answer to that would be nice to know Sean parent told us that Manafort should get Elon Musk to testify that our reality is merely a video game created by an Civilization so the judge might as well dismiss the charges because nothing is real Yeah, I love that. Yeah, I've got that amazing. Yeah, that's a nice, yeah.

I love that. It's so great. Thank you, Sean. I have a friend that actually believes that. It's a simulation. It's just simulation, yeah. Well, the odds are very high. I was gonna say, yeah.

He adds a very high. Look at our technology. I mean, it's only so fun to think about. It is. It's like technological reincarnation, I think. I'm glad our little blips have come into contact, guys. Yeah, honestly, you guys are cool at blips have come into contact guys. Yeah, honestly you guys are cool at I think you're so pretty sexy lips

Consciousnesses have more like morally sound blips Terracidol says quote this podcast rocks. Thank you for breaking down this tangled legally shit storm into manageable mini storms In layman's terms five stars. Oh, that's so nice. Thank you. Thanks, man. We found out this week we'll be doing some partnering with Robio Shodri and the 45th POT, so I'm excited for that. Yeah.

So exciting. You said it's so casual to you, like it's hard for you. Yeah. For ever humbled to work with women in media and I'm so glad we get to meet and work with all these incredible women. Definitely. I'm just, I'm super.

She was fantastic. Yeah, she's so smart. She wrote the book on on non-Scied from serial podcasts. She's, yep, amazing woman. At Christmas, wants to know, Christmas one wants to know since the FBI has pretty much everything ever on Cohen. What could he possibly offer to get a lighter punishment?

Well, here's the thing His sworn testimony That's the most powerful evidence ever a confession. Yeah, sworn testimony in court. This is current front of the graduate His testimony is worth a Bazzillion dollars and so yeah, you got all the stuff you know everything about him a bazillion dollars and so yeah, you got all the stuff you know everything about him But hit but to get his cooperation to get him to say it in front of the grand jury is everything Is that so for corroborating if they seize all that evidence and then they you know They have this case built just based on evidence only he would need to testify for it to corroborate it right completely

Okay, cool as opposed to another source, I guess, or something. Oh, no, yeah, they could have all sorts of sources, but to him, himself. I know that would be absurd for someone to accommodate themself, but I just mean super, super technical. Like what is technically required? They only need him, right? Right, and presuming that he would have an agreement, he would have some sort of a reduced sentence, reduced charges.

He is a family guy. He's a family. Yeah. I don't know if. He is a family guy, he's a family. Yeah. I don't know if he's a family man, but he has a family. This is why we're the law is interesting to me for social purposes, because it sounds like they would need physical, well, they have the documentations to follow the money, but it sounds like they would only need him to just confess it for them to just believe that these documents are. No.

You have to have all the documents. Oh, okay, okay. I also, yeah, and I wondered too about it because especially in this case, what if him corroborating something actually is going to cover up something bigger because he's an agent for somebody else. Yeah, playing, so, yeah, it's like at that point what they needed to be corroborated by someone else aside from him. As much corroboration as you can get, obviously, is better.

But the actual person, testifying to what they had in their possession is a 10 times stronger than just the stock limits. Yeah, and if he's playing Mueller somehow, he's not smart enough, I think, to pull it off. But if he is, then Mueller can always go back and get him, right? He got him 16 phones. Yeah, come on.

How many drugs are you selling, bro? Burner. Right, like some bodega, I've made a bunch of money off. I just buy a cell and phone so that guy seriously Garrett goes Metro PCS Your cricket subscription is expired Garrett Berkstrom wants to know if any punishment can be charged against Republican members of the House Intelligence Committee. I hope Um, I don't I don't know I honestly want to spank them. I don't give a good know. I honestly don't think I know enough about the law itself to know. But I would assume Rico or espionage or obstruction, certainly obstruction of justice,

you'd have to prove intent. That's hard. So, I mean, I guess it's just all, it's, you know, it's all up to whoever investigates them whether it's Mueller or not. You're right, yeah. They could have the evidence and like the other way. It's unfortunate. Well, no, Mueller wouldn't do it. Mueller wouldn't do it, no,

but you're right, it depends on who's investigating. I think, I mean, he should be able to get them if he wanted to, yeah, you can get anyone But they'd probably be smaller fishes what I'm thinking like hopefully he would go far enough to punish anyone in Congress But I think he would only need to get the top people for this to be yeah But he's the kind of guy that follows every single lead to its very end and and punishes everyone yeah His his joy in life is putting malifactors in jail. So,

it does. Yeah, I have faith. I have a lot of faith. I do as well. I do as well. And people say, if you don't like the people you're investigating, that's bad.

I'm like, it shouldn't make a difference. It should make you actually better as an investigator. If you're a high-end, I don't like them. If you, anyway. That's a weird thing.

I can't fill you. That is, and it's just such a inevitable conflict You're gonna have in the justice system like think about the defense the attorneys that have to you know Fucking go to court for child molesters. There's there's always going to be scenarios where it's not very likely that You're gonna be on the side of the person that you have to represent. No, well, Francisco was arguing in the Supreme Court for the The Muslim band this week so He can't have been happy about yeah

At least I hope not but maybe as maybe he hates Muslims. I don't know. I don't know what's in Francisco's heart Yeah, I learned something every day roommate that hated Muslims She's one of the really white women that but what if her Trump? She doesn't think she's a racist either She's like look at their Bible like the the Quran and says that they hate you know Americans and I'm like Where'd you get that app? Where'd you put making an app and you download it when you thought was the Quran? Putin's Quran. Yeah. At Segurio wants to know what surprises each the most in this week's news cycle.

Hmm. Which was most surprising? Yeah, what was the surprise? I think the Fox and friends really floored me That was insane because he lost it like an old man just like off his rockers like I just couldn't believe it Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was that was surprising to me that Fox Let it go on for that long and that they didn't rain him in at all and that there is yeah, they tried That was very surprising and the ending they're, yeah, they tried. That was very surprising.

And the ending, they're like, yeah, I think you probably are really busy and we should go because you have a lot to do. It was so obvious they cut them off. That was shocking. Yeah. God. I think the most shocking thing to me this week was the that Trump probably knew and called DT Junior and knew about the 2016 tower meeting. Yeah, that should be the

biggest story. Yeah, I knew about it and was buried by his rant. Also that he knew about the mish the mishood stuff. Yeah, technically for sure, that's the most important news. It's just juicy to people. It goes to the whole What did he know and when did he know what did the president? No, and when did he know it just to quote watergate? Did he time I wonder what the timeline of these articles came out because did he know that this news was coming out? Do you think Trump tried to distract us with a chaotic rant? Is it that they overlap at all? No? I don't know interesting. I think Komi says, Trump is above average intelligence. And I think a lot of us underestimate that. We think he's like average or below.

So if Komi is saying above, I mean, underestimating Trump's intelligence could be like our downfall. Like, I don't know. You know, it was also very surprising to me and this is not directly related to us. But Michelle Wolf getting so much shit for her White House correspondent center, because I watched his hominages. And it is just as biting as hers is and it's just as critical and he got nothing compared to what Michelle wolf is. I haven't seen her like the people against her because I have my liberal bias media like my bubble but yeah what are they saying what kind of thing she's just getting super attacked

for being mean to Sarah Huckabee Sanders everybody Everybody's talking about that. They will not stop talking about it. Yeah. And Trump didn't even go because he's so fucking... Because he doesn't support the first time. Yeah. Yeah. He can't take a joke. No, he doesn't support freedom of the press. That's why he doesn't go for a shirt. Most importantly. And it's like, are they doing this because she's a female? That's why they're attacking her more. I don't want to just jump to that. Right. But in her texture. That's why she's a real voice. She's, you know, biracial. I mean, there's so many elements. I mean, her son or her son was like,

he's a minority too. So I thought that he got a little backlash from what I remember, but you're probably right. If I look up, I can imagine that Michelle will've got way more. It's because of the good about Twitter. It's really bad. When women are really funny and really snarky,

because she like did not hold back, it's like, it's intimidating. You know, that's why women in podcasting is not just the thing we say. It's like there are a lot of people that hate to hear women speak. They're not. My favorite is what do you call an uncle Tom? What's the uncle Tom for white women? Yeah.

And it's called, yeah. And also, also when she says calling a Nazi a white nationalist is like calling a pedophile a kid friend. Yeah. Really? So funny man. So, like'm thinking about it, man. Like the best jokes ever. Yeah.

So yeah, he's really nice. And some guy on Facebook was like, she's proven the old stereotype, women aren't funny. And so, I told him I was like, you and me any time, any stage, I will wipe the floor with you. Oh, that's the joke off guy.

And he blocked me. Of course, of course. Like seriously being in comedy, like seriously, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, course. Like seriously being in comedy, like, all those Julian Metzmeier. I'm calling you out. Julian Metzmeier. Metzmeier. You think, yeah, J-U-L-I-E-N.

That'd be so epic. Metzmeier. Maybe like Z-Lander joke off. M-E-T-D-D-M-E-Y-E-R. And no ripping off jokes. We don't do that knock, knock street joke shit around. No, I'm just gonna do a set. No, I do.

I think he needs to know. He doesn't know. He doesn't know. Yeah, no, I'm not gonna do a roast battle. Oh. Just I do a set, you do a set. No, I do. I think he needs to know. He doesn't know. He doesn't know comic. Yeah, no, I'm not gonna do a rose battle. Oh. Just I do a set, you do a set, and we'll see. Let's see what gender happens in the final. And if you do this, you are a chicken shit.

I've already got every major comedy club offering me stage time, not every major comedy club at the improv in the hotel. But you can do this for a minute. Like a while, you, yeah. People underestimate women in comedy to this day and it blows my mind because we see so many great women And we're like you just don't even explore you just don't even like browse Netflix like you just you don't even know

He was bring it that's my yeah, I'm waiting for you I wonder if he even watched like you think he watched Michelle and say this isn't funny or he didn't even watch it because she was hilarious How do you know? No, it was funny is amazing. I was like what a Everyone was kind of like, oh, she dropped some F-bombs. She did. Oh yeah, rightfully so. And Pussy, and yeah, it was,

she doesn't give a fuck. No, but she's so smart and brilliant and poignant and it's like, it was fantastic. George Carlin, he said it himself, you can do clean and that's great, but sometimes fuck is just the best word to describe how you're feeling. And this era, I mean, like, yeah. Even Ellen said fuck on her show when Trump was elected.

You guys remember that? Like the first episode after Trump got elected, she screamed fuck on the show, but she had like a blow horn, like going at the same time. I love it. At SF Huntress 2018 says, what exactly is Jared doing? He has lower classifications.

He has lower classification than the calligraphers. He's just folding neck and he's plotting his escape. Yeah, he's doing side work at the way. He's rolling silverware up. Yeah, it's the pool boy. Yeah, he's in the garden. Yeah, I mean, the sad reality is like we talked about a couple episodes ago, Trump can still

disclose to him whatever he wants to. So he can essentially function in the same way he was before. It's just not right. And right now I think what he's out trying to do is raise money to get himself out of debt on that building. He's about to close some deal on. I can't remember. Before they get kicked out,

because they know it's a possibility. I mean, Trump wants to stay, but he's probably preparing. He's like, all the money you can and telling all his Kremlin friends to hide their money. Oh, well, not for this particular thing. He's $1.2 billion in debt on this. You don't think they can raise it by $6.60. $6.60.

Fifth Avenue property. I think you, I think the UAE probably hooked him up for the intel that he gave him on traders to the crown. Exactly. Seriously. And if that doesn't work, just threaten some other country. Unbuckling believable. Just unbelievable. Hmm. I got a message from Jennifer Nebacher. She wanted to hear the rest of the conversation we had to cut, where Jelisa was explaining that slavery has helped fuel the racism

that has led to 61% of black women being raped. Quote, I know A.G. tried to roll it back and clarify that she had no place speaking on this, but Jelisa never, I felt like Jelisa never got to make her point without being interrupted by a white woman. I'm a white woman too, and I say this out of love and respect, unquote. So Jelisa, I apologize once again

for having to cut that short. Of course, thank you. And I wanted to give you the opportunity to finish your point on that. Definitely. So yeah, I was looking at some stats. And so the Department of Justice estimates that for every white woman that reports her rape at least five white women

Do not report theirs, but for every African American woman that reports her rape at least 15 African American women do not report theirs So there's a lot of reasons why people think black women may choose to not report the incidents of sexual assault Some people think that there's fear that they won't be believed and they'll be blamed for their attack But I guess the most unique challenge is this just that there's a history, in my experience of being assaulted by a black man, there's a history of not wanting to give in to the portrayal that black man are predators, but then there are cases where there are white men that assault, and then that seems to fall into the idea of the racial stereotypes and the history of oppression.

It's like you just don't even consider the struggles of someone of that community as relevant as someone who hasn't been so oppressed or hasn't been so demeaned. So it's not a very conscious thing, I think, in 2018 that people say, oh, a black woman who's raped by, let's say a white man is just right because of slavery. It's more like historically they're not as valued as people. So generation after generation, it's more like, well, historically, they're not as valued as people. So generation after generation, it becomes this thing where maybe someone thinks that they're not racist or they think they're a feminist and then they get in a situation where it becomes convenient to look the other way because society already does. And then

that's where the stigma happens. And rape is all about power. For sure. So if you've got any kind of overt or covert racism going on in your head, you're going to feel probably more powerful. Yeah. Yeah, that comment that you made, too, it's interesting. I've read series from, not theories, but just opinion pieces by black women. That black women need to be really careful with when they're accusing other black men of violence because black men are already considered to be the mongrels.

And yeah, like, yeah, exactly. They're the ones that are, you know, unarmed, get them. Yeah, I was grown. I'm thinking back to it. Like, I was taught not to snitch on sexual predators in the family. And I never thought about why. And then as an adult, being around other white people,

I'm not white. Being around white people, it's a whole around other white, not other white people, I mean, white. Being around white people, it's a whole different thing. It's like, oh, I might, yeah. Who knows? I mean, what is race? I used to think that like I felt safer around white men. And then it's like that. Simulation has really messed up Elon Musk.

Yeah, like there's just so much, it's not just about white people being like, you know, like the bad person or something in this case. It's really just about systematically not only do why people fall victim to this like this power trip, but black people sometimes like we suppress our own struggle and we also, we believe that we're safe and forget that there is systematic racism and so we end up falling victim to things where we should have known better. It's like, oh, well, how could you, you know, think it's okay? I mean, like for me personally, starting to get into victim blaming, though. Exactly. It's a big, big problem for someone like me who feels like there's a lot of gray

area and things. And so now I'm learning about the patterns. And I'm like, well, you got to draw a line. Otherwise, I'm giving into this, you know, gray area in a negative way. I'm saying, well, things happen, but no, there are real statistics that are showing that this is why it happens and you can stop it by acknowledging it. And there's things I can do, but that's not the point.

The point is that there are jobs. Yeah, there's a lot of things that other people can do. And it's- The job is to stop raping people. Yeah, I mean, that's a crazy thing. The onus is on rapist to stop raping people. It's a piece.

We need to be careful We have not taught men really systematically to not raise Stop raping people. Yeah, and I know women rape too, but I'm talking about like the majority. It's not an all-lives Matter, you know, like just focusing on this issue. Yeah, we need to teach you Yeah, so soon as we tackle rape man on man man being rapist rape or just man on man on women Yeah, so as soon as we attack tackle that problem, we'll work on the next one. We'll work on the women-wrapest.

Right, they're all problems. I get a prioritize by the majority of issues. I think that one of them might happen more often. Definitely. I mean, the department of justice is like, yeah, this is a problem for every one African American that reports it, 15 don't. I didn't report 90% of the time that I was assaulted in my life. And I had to count probably over a dozen times. And I just started to report it this year

and I see the backlash. There's also a systematic. There was gotta be just a distrust for law enforcement is probably a part of it. There has to be. For me, I didn't report because I didn't think, I thought it was my fault. Yeah, we, but then another time, I victim blaming, we really are. And then another time I tried to report and was told that if I did, I would get in trouble.

So like it's, it's so, so many reasons not to report. So many layers. And I'm sure that race is going to compound the issue. For sure. And we just got to tackle that so that we can tackle all the non-racial issues with sexual assault. I mean, they're all important. But yeah, the stats show that black women have.

It's pretty bad. And I didn't know that growing up. I didn't realize that I was special. Like, I thought that it was just the way everyone was. So sorry to hear that, Julie. So that you, yeah. That's one time as too many said to hear you talk about Yeah, when it was is it's like unfathomable definitely there are people that you see out people and maybe this is also

Subconscious but once you see a window of opportunity and you let's say never raped It's like if you think you can get away with it. I mean like even the best it's a bit me too. It's huge for a reason It's everywhere everywhere it's absolutely everywhere so yeah even even good people sadly enough you know and Bill Cosby it's I mean it's a huge win I think but this is a guy who black people say that is being targeted because he wanted to buy NBC and a lot of people are so convinced that he's being targeted for being a rich black man I'm like come on we have to draw yeah so sorry that's no that's I wanted to give you that's

everything I wanted you to reclaim your time, so sorry, that's, no, I wanted to give you, that's everything. I wanted you to reclaim your time. Thank you so much, yeah. No problem. Thank you guys. It's been a great episode. I'm grateful for everyone listening. I'm really grateful for the two of you guys.

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