Jack - Individual 1 (feat. Grant Stern)

Episode Date: December 10, 2018

Ep #58 - Joining us this week is Grant Stern (producer of The Dworkin Report, Editor at Large for Washington Press and publisher of The Stern Facts)! Plus, Jaleesa covers Trump's undocumented workers in a new segment called "Racial Maddow," Jordan updates us on the NRA, and AG breaks down this week's Flynn, Manafort, and Cohen filings! Enjoy!

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Like all members of the oldest profession, I'm a capitalist. Hello, and welcome to Muller, she wrote, I'm your host, A.G. With me, as always, is Julie Sejanson. Hello. And Jordan Coburn. Hello. All right, guys, we have a crazy episode for you today. Jordan you're gonna talk about how the NRA illegally coordinated with the Trump campaign. Classic. Classic. And Jolissa in your racial maddo segment you're gonna talk about some undocumented

immigrants working at Trump's New Jersey golf course. Oh yeah. Great story. I'm gonna be covering the Flynn Cone and Manafort fil, along with the rest of the news. But I have a correction from last week. And I feel pretty stupid. Last week, when Alderman Burke's offices were closed in Chicago, I had reported this as though it was Alderman and Burke, and they were tax attorneys. But apparently, Burke is an alderman.

Alderman is a title. He's an elected official. There's 50 of them, one from each warden together they make up the city council which serves as a legislative branch for the city of Chicago. And that office was shuttered shortly after Deutsche Bank was rated for issues surrounding the Panama papers which Trump was suspiciously absent from. But Alderman Berks, or excuse me Alderman Berks handled Trump's Chicago taxes for 12 years. So put some beans on there being some sort of an Alderman Burke, Chicago real estate tax, money laundering, Deutsche Bank, Panama Papers connection. And thanks to our Chicago listeners for that assist. I had no idea they were called Alderman's.

Yeah, I mean, either. No way. I'm glad we still use such proper sounding titles in America. Right? It sounds like an old English alderman. I'm Alderman Burke. I'm Alderman Burke. Sounding titles in America, right? Sounds like an old English Of course yeah, I wanted that happened. Hello, I'm Alderman Burke No sir, I don't like it. Oh, that's funny

Or maybe he's one of those 1930s guys like yeah, see I'm I'm Alderman Burke, see you know. Oh yeah, it could be that We don't know. All right, you guys we have a ton of news to get to I don't even know how we're gonna do it So let's jump in with just the facts All right, so all week the rumor mill about Pence was swirling And it started last weekend and there were all kinds of all kinds of speculation that perhaps Pence was the subject of that sealed subpoena battle going on with Mueller right now in the DC appellate court, or that he might resign so Trump can appoint someone not compromised by Russia that could pardon him. The truth is we just don't know what's up with Pence.

Other than he's insulated himself very well, and probably not good enough, and that Trump is eyeing his chief of staff, heirs, to replace John Kelly as his own chief of staff. But I was reminded about something we covered way back in episode 8, and I encourage you to check out episode 8. It was a very important episode, and in it, we talk about the GSA and how they handed over all of the Trump transition emails to Mueller without a fight. So, GSA stands for General Services Administration,

and they're the agency within the government that manages presidential transition emails among many other things. And Trump had apparently installed an ally named Beckler in the GSA so that he could maintain control over the transition emails and the transition materials. But that guy died. I don't mean to laugh, but you'll find out why it's funny

in a second. And when Mueller wanted those Trump transition team emails from GSA, he pretty much just walked in and asked for them and they gave them to them. And to be fair, if they'd fought him on it, Mueller probably would still have won because it's a GSA and he's got access to that. But there wasn't even a fight. And it upset Trump a lot. He's like, this is bad, this is really bad.

He tweeted out that Mueller obtained the emails improperly, but he didn't. And the thing I can't help but remember about is whatever emails Pence sent and received during that time, Mueller has. Pence was head of the transition team. Right. Mueller has those. Every time I hear a GSA, I keep thinking gay straight alliance.

Which is funny if Pants is involved with that. Yeah, highly doubted. He probably wanted to change the name. I mean, he changed the name of this. I don't want to be associated with the gay straight alliance. Yeah. Something else occurred to me this week as I was working on a story about the potential collusion

between Manafort, Stone, Corsi, Trump, and all the others to get their story straight and to offer pardons and stuff. If you recall, they're all in a joint defense agreement or a JDA. That means they share information among their legal teams. Not to mention the information sharing they're doing right out in the open includes like Coresea releasing his draft plea agreement with Mueller. He said he intended to turn down or that Trump leaked some of his answers to Mueller's written

questions or, Manifort blowing up his plea deal out in public. All in all, there are 27 parties in Trump's joint defense agreement. But if just one person breaks that deal, Mueller will have a witness or witnesses that could testify to possible witness tampering or suborning or dangling pardons by Trump. So we had some early dropouts from the JDA, including Flynn and Gates, but we have more recent ones too. And depending on when Trump tried to make his deal with potential witnesses, if he did, some of the later defectors could have information on those discussions, like Cohen, for example. And we've heard Rumblings this week that Cohen thought he was being offered a pardon in exchange

for singing the same song as Trump. So there's also Nundberg, who at first was resisting in the subpoena and got drunk and told everybody, he's taken from a cold dead hands or whatever. And of course he could defect from Camp Trump too, though he's seemingly still there. But in any case, I'm interested to see who, if anyone was offered or was aware of an offer

like that from Trump, and if they're willing to testify about it. And after talking to Renato Marriotti last week, we know that that kind of obstruction's really hard to prove, but perhaps witness testimony could help with that. So dangling pardons, proofing that, yeah. Or that they were all trying to get their story straight. And that happened a little bit this week, also in the Cohen papers, which we'll talk about

in the Cohen sentencing memorandums. And I remember that Corsi is the one who tweeted out all those nasty things about Trump recently. Was that him? That was critical. Okay, there we go. I was like, why would he do that? But okay, I see the difference. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I know Corsi is still like, none burying it up pretty much, but he hasn't defected yet. Okay, okay. But he's the one who released that draft plea agreement where they were going to offer him probation only in exchange for, you know, his testimony. How is that not illegal? Releasing that document? Yeah.

It depends on whether or not it was part of a coordinated attempt to collude their answers to make public their answers. And when we talk about the co-enfiling, about it was mentioned specifically in the document that he went public. It wasn't just that he told Congress that he had lied about the when the Trump Tower Moscow ended, but he did it publicly. And they said that they alluded to that being obstruction of justice because it's collusory. And so that because these basically come in out and telling all potential witnesses what

to say when they testify to Congress. And then shortly after, of course, Congress hands over all these transcripts of testimony to Mueller. Like, oh, here, here's everyone else who said oddly, exactly what Cohen said about the Trump Tower Moscow stopping in January instead of June, and how that actually could have negatively impacted the investigation. He was trying to steer the, you know, the narrative, right, of the investigation. He was trying to steer the narrative of the investigation, which, and I don't think, unless they had a case, that there was some sort of a collusory attempt to get their story straight, and they said

that he had circulated these documents, his congressional documents around the administration, to solidify what everybody's was going to say. And I don't think releasing these kind of things publicly is the problem. I think being able to prove that it was part of a coordinated effort to mislead the investigation and obstruct justice and tamper with witnesses. Right, because he can still go back and still take the plea agreement. If he releases the draft agreement, then at least everyone, like he said,

that are in the same team together, basically, the colluser team. They can get all of their, they can be like, okay, this is what they're looking for. Let's get our story shared on that. And then he can go back and still accept that plea agreement, because I guess it's probably not going to change the information they're looking for. No. Right. And what it would be in exchange for, and then, yeah, just need some public records and

get those motherfuckers in jail. Yeah. And thanks for that new nickname, collusers. Callusers. Calluser put the L on your forehead. Oh, God. Smash mouth. You killed me. Dude, I saw them once, so like a reunion tour. Oh, sorry. It was in a Henderson Pavilion. It was like, it was like, where you'd, Jazz, or Smashmouth. They're playing state fairs now. So how it's going for them? OK, loser. Another case was filed early in the week,

challenging the appointment of Matthew Fucking Whitaker, another one. Basically, a convicted drug trafficker who was resentenced after Whitaker was installed. His attorney has asked to set aside the new sentence on the grounds that the new attorney general's appointment was unconstitutional and therefore has no authority to resent him or preside over the, you know, the agency that resentons him.

And this is just one of a bunch of legal challenges to Whitaker's appointment and we'll keep you posted as we know more. People are just asking judges to get rid of him. Like, you know, our, what we want is for you to make him not the attorney general, make Rosenstein the attorney general, buy the succession act, and then we'll discuss what the recentencing situation should be. Later Monday, Michael Isikoff, he's one of the authors of Russian Roulette, which we reviewed. Very good book. He reported that Mueller was fine with the Senate's request to start subpoenaing people in the obstruction case, indicating

to me at least that Mueller is fine with the testimony of key witnesses being made public now. And that could indicate that he has what he needs. Though I still have no idea how he can wrap that report up when Trump finds new ways to obstruct justice pretty much every day. I just see him like for innovation for that. Yeah. He's just like, stop bringing a lot. I got to get this report done. It just keeps adding to a dend Yeah, he's just like, stop bringing them. I got to get this report done. It just keeps adding to a denim, a denim, a denim. It's gonna be funny.

Funny peculiar, not funny, ha ha. Then Tuesday, we learned Jeffrey Epstein settled out of court and won't face trial. And this really upsets me. If you remember from last week, he was given that sweet heart deal where he only served a light 13 months in jail, not prison, and he got a work release program, so he's only there 12 hours a day, and he got immunity for him and he was co-conspirators after raping 30 girls.

That was just what they had FBI had gathered evidence on. There was probably far more than that. And now the AG that gave him that sweet deal is Trump's labor secretary, weird, but I'm really mad about this. I wanted him to have his day in court, and he basically just bailed out of that. Yeah, bought his way out of it. Yeah, he didn't have to hear testimony for many of the victims. Yeah, and that's, I really wanted them to be able to have that. Yeah, but the lawyer of the victims did say it was a win on some

levels for the accusers. We actually have a mini-suit about that that we'll do soon, but basically, yeah, he said that even though this was a bailout, so to speak, for Epstein, he still has a follow-up trial. That this first trial helped them get more information for, I believe. So he may still have to face the music soon enough, but he's gotten away with it so far. So it's kind of like one of those things where we'll see, but yeah, the lawyer thinks Edward, the victim's lawyer, he thinks that they're going to be able to take

them with this next trial. Well, good. And the other concern too is that Trump gave a high position to the guy who gave Epstein the sweetheart deal. Yeah. And I can't help but think it's because Trump is one of those co-conspirators. Yeah. Head of the Sex Labor Department. Yeah. He owned a modeling agency around that time. And so, ooh, that's just gross. Shrikey, one more reason to impeach Trump. He's got so many things, and I'm sure he's tied to that. Yeah, for justice, get a gay rid of him.

Yeah, the victim's also maybe could have not wanted to testify. That could have been something they would have rather not done. But considering there were so many, I've highly doubt all of them. Yeah, apparently. I don't want that chance. The three of them were going to come forward at least three.

Yeah, I think there were some, probably not others, but you just, I wanted them to have that. They encore. Yeah. Yeah, I did. Well, some might call it justice anyway, because he did pay pretty heavy restitution, but he should have paid that in the first place in the criminal trial that he got let off the hook for in the civil trial should have been different but totally oh well. The sucks, it sucks a lot. So yeah, check out that mini-sode. We're going to go over that in a mini-sode this week and he has agreed to meet with the Senate Intel Committee in January as part of the investigation and a Russian election interference.

If you remember, Nunberg was previously determined not to cooperate with special counsel threatening to ignore us, a let him arrest me, I don't care. And then that nice lawyer lady was like, that's a bad idea, bro, and he changed his mind. Yeah, the real VIP is a lawyer. All the air. Yeah. It sounds a lot like Corsi to me, right? And Jordan, we talked about this. We think a prize gonna fold like a cheap suit. Corsi.

So Nundberg was summoned by the Senate. Summoned. You come. We summon you, you say his name three times in front of a mirror. You have been chosen. Corsi, Corsi, Corsi. Or, excuse me, Nundbergerg, non-Berg, non-Berg.

And Roger Stone was also asked for documents. And instead of agreeing to appear like Non-Berg, Stone has said he will plead the fifth, which he didn't need to do because they only asked him for documents. And it was Typhy, so she's not quite yet the majority leader, she's not the chair, so she doesn't have subpoena power.

So she wasn't subpoenaed, and they just asked for documents. It's not necessarily plead the fifth when you are asked to produce documents. This is especially hilarious, considering all the things Trump had said about people who played the fifth. If you remember when Hillary was your staff pleading the fifth, guilty, mobs do that, mob fifth, pleading, you suck. Yeah. And now you're stone, like I'm pleading a fifth to a document request, which you don't

have to do. You paranoid, bro? Yeah. It's like when I pop, stops you and you run away, basically. Where are you going, buddy? Everything okay? No. We're just looking for a cat in a tree.

Over there, the type. We have to get there fast. Also Tuesday, pre-stap left the FBI. Pre-stap, who currently serves as the assistant director of counterintelligence division, is set to retire by the end of the year. He's the last of the old guard of high ranking FBI officials that helped oversee the investigation into 2016 Russian election meddling and the investigation into Hillary's emails. So the Wall Street Journal says his retirement is unrelated to the investigations and he's

simply retiring because he served his 20 years and he's done. He wants to go just like all the other people who worked on the Russian investigation. Nothing to see here. Then we got the Flynn sentencing document on Tuesday. We were all waiting for and I'll go over that later in the show. Wednesday we learned that the RNCC hacked again, this past election cycle. This in combination with what we know about the first RNCC hack where none of the materials were released adds to the speculation that foreign actors have stolen from both sides, but

have only weaponized hack materials from the left, from the Democrats. Reports indicate that the RNCC, CC hackAC was executed by a foreign actor, but it doesn't confirm that it was Russia. Well, they could still weaponize it just behind closed doors via Compromont. Yeah, yeah. That's precisely correct. And it could explain why Rand Paul is all up Putin's by-hole. Like, it's ridiculous. I'd assume he has a really clean but-hole though, for some reason.

Putin? Yeah. Why do I have to hold a crew of but- for some reason Yeah, why do I gotta hold crew but homemade? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, like a human bidet team It's my arms hair. It's my ass on to rush And they all walking down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down I got all their butt clean and tools. I don't know when talking about it. It's like a chimney sweep. Oh yeah, but for butts. Butt for butts. Chimchimmy. All right. It gives a whole new meaning to me for the Mary Poppins. Yeah, song. You just got to fit his head up there. Yeah, that's the only thing. There's a lot of people with their heads up there, I'll be honest.

Also Wednesday we learned that the Trump organization was subpoenaed for business records along with additional subpoenas. NPR reported Monday that Maryland and New York or Southern District of New York or DC, Maryland and DC were getting ready to subpoena the Trump administration. They were the Trump organization and they did Wednesday. So they were subpoenaed for business records along with additional subpoenas served to a dozen linked entities in a lawsuit challenging Trump's business ties while in office.

DC attorney Carl Ray Cine said that he can confirm all Trump organization entities have been served. The lawsuit brought by DC and Marilyn Claims that Trump is in violation of the emoluments clause in the Constitution, meaning payments from foreign governments benefiting the Trump International Hotel, have continued into Trump's presidency, among other things.

So we'll keep you posted and watch those spacebeams. And speaking of violating the emoluments clause, we learned Wednesday that a Saudi-funded lobbyist paid for 500 rooms at Trump's Hotel in DC within weeks of Trump's election. In all, the lobbyists spent more than $270,000 at the Trump International Hotel in downtown DC, which Trump still owns.

The lobbyists have said they only booked at Trump's hotel because there was a discount. Oh, yeah, that's right, that tree's in discount. It was only $750 a night. There's no other hotels. There's 800 other hotels. There's a cheaper than that. And that they only did it because there was a discount,

not to curry favor with Trump. And the quote is absolutely not. It had nothing to do with that. Not one bit. That's what Michael Gibson says. A Maryland-based lobbyist who helped organize the trips. His lobbying firm being in Maryland could explain why it's DC and Maryland state attorneys

general that are filing the suit. Oh. Oddly enough, the trips were part of an unorthodox campaign and could explain why it's DC and Maryland state attorneys general that are filing the suit. Oddly enough, the trips were part of an unorthodox campaign that offered US military veterans a free trip to Washington, DC. All expenses paid. And then they sent these veterans to Capitol Hill to lobby against the law that the Saudis opposed. The veterans were never told they were lobbying on behalf of Saudi Arabia or that it was

the Saudis footing the bill adding to the unabashed exploitation of veterans for political purposes that I might add. And speaking of lobbying firms, it was reported Wednesday that the New York Post has said that the feds are ramping up their probe in two lobbying firms with ties to Manafort. According to the Associated Press, in a flurry of new activity, fl. Just as department prosecutors have begun interviewing witnesses related to the Podesta group and the Mercury Public Affairs group. It's not that Podesta. Oh, different Podesta. Got it. This is all related to Tony Podesta and

Vin Weber who did not register as foreign agents for Ukrainian lobbying work done on behalf of Manafort. And also speaking of that, it's been pointed out to me several times now and I just haven't learned yet, I keep referring to Ukraine as the Ukraine, which is left over from former Soviet Union, and it's improper. So I apologize for that. I mean no ill will.

I think it comes from growing up and watching ice skating and gymnastics so much in the 80s and 90s. But I'll do my best to stop referring to it as the Ukraine. And I apologize if I've offended anyone. It's certainly not intentional thanks to everyone for pointing that out. Keep doing it because I apparently keep, I can't stop. Yeah, Julie, so I have age privilege. We never even knew that was ever a thing. Exactly.

Yeah. No idea. Yeah, we just always grew up calling it the Ukraine and that's not cool anymore. Got it. Got it. They're like their own thing. Yeah, yeah. Sovereignation. Ukraine. Nice. The Ukraine. It seems more important, sort of, when you say it that way.

The Ohio State University? Yeah, I don't think they do it the same way. Yeah. Like the United States of America. I don't know. But they've asked me to stop, so I'll stop. Yeah. I don't mean to.

Finally, Wednesday, the Hill reported that the Trump team is considering removing Pence from the 2020 ticket. According to two sources, familiar with the meetings about Pence, the Trump team believes that Pence doesn't expand Trump's coalition. Additionally, the sources have said that Trump isn't putting much into the 2020 campaign and seems wildly unprepared for the election. That's the reporting. My conjecture is that he isn't focusing on a run in 2020 because he knows he isn't focusing on a run in 2020 because he knows he won't be on the ticket in 2020. And this ties in nicely with the

story about sources close to Trump telling the daily beast he has repeatedly shrugged off the ballooning debt because he won't be around to shoulder the blame when it becomes untenable. He says, quote, yeah, I won't be here. That's what Trump said in a meeting about the debt crisis. When? Unconscious. Well, this week, Jesus. Well, maybe he means like I physically won't be on this earth anymore. One way or another.

Yeah, he's like, I don't care. It's not, I'll be gone. Yeah. I mean, to be fair, I don't think he was focused on a 2016 election either. That's a very good point. This has all just been a whirlwind of surprises for him. Yeah, he's just finding himself in places. He was also wildly unprepared for 26. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, he just hasn't been caring. People are like, you got to start setting that

shit up. I know he hired par scale, Brad par scale to be the campaign chief in 2020. He's the guy got the whole Cambridge Analytica data analysis shit going. I don't think he's, I think he's going to be indicted, so I don't think he's going to be able to run any campaigns. Although that seems to be a trend with his campaign managers being criminals. So, yeah, true, true. America has this dynamic with Trump. Like, that girls have with emotionally absent men, you know, where you like want them to love you. So you're like, love me, but they're like, oh, I don't even care. Yeah. And then you just invest so much of them. And you elect

them as president of the United States. Yeah. It makes them more powerful. We deserve better, Mac. Yeah. I don't know how he's gonna get 2020 going when all of his all of his dudes are going to be indicted. Somebody actually said if Trump wants Hillary to go to prison so bad, he should have hired her to be on his campaign. That's funny. That was a good tweet. Maybe being unprepared is his strategy. Yeah, that's what I was saying. People like it.

Yeah, yeah. Worked for him, I guess, before. But I think he was pretty well prepared in the Russian collusion part of it. True, he seems like it, at least. Yeah, I think he knew. But we'll find out, not this week, but we'll find out eventually.

Every week we'll say that. Just tune in next week. Just keep sticking with us, stick with us. Hang in there. It'll come out, it will. Yeah, one day we're like, it's here. As will all the redactions in the memos that came out, the sentencing, memorandums,

and documents that came out this week. So we'll be going over that later in the show. And we'll, you know, I can't wait to talk about those, but. Yeah, we'll be going over that later in the show. And, uh, well, you know, I can't wait to talk about those, but yeah, that'll be a fun day. Fun episode. That'll feature. Oh, well, when it's full report, come talk about today. Oh, oh, yeah, that's you. Yeah. So there's a lot of meat on the bone. It's not all the meat, but there's some of it. So stick around. We'll be right back. Hey, Mueller junkies, we want to thank outdoor voices for supporting our podcast. Outdoor voices believe that harder and faster and stronger is not necessarily always better.

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painter who did his scheduling, Stone scheduling. He's fighting the constitutionality of Mueller's appointment, Hallouse, in that subpoena battle. And maybe there's even a push to get Corsi to go, Nunberg, and flip on Stone. In other Assange news, the Guardian reported Thursday that Mueller is examining Ted Malik's appearances on the K In other Assange news, the Guardian reported Thursday that Mueller is examining Ted Malik's appearances on the Kremlin-controlled Russian television RT. Mueller's investigators have asked Ted Malik the London-based cutout that Korsi used as a go-between for stone and Assange while he was talking to Trump late into the night. They're asking him about his appearances on RT because RT has a close relationship with a Sange.

The story also reveals that RT staff met with a Sange this same day of course he emailed Stone. I'm sure this is all part of the Roger Stone hinge investigation and the possibility that he was the Linchpin between WikiLeaks and the Trump campaign. I'm sure all or most will be revealed when we finally get the Stone indictments, but again that could be delayed for several reasons and one of them could be that secret subpoena battle or the Miller subpoena battle

or waiting for a sange to be extra-dited or at least for you to be extra-dited to the United States before he unseals those indictments. I think they're already sealed. I think they're already existing indictments. Yeah. They're just sealed. What a web of criminality, Stonehenge has become. It in indictments. Yeah, they're just sealed. What a web of criminality.

Stonehench has become. It's so gross. Yeah. I look at it and he's just like, ah, my life's work. I'm going to jail happy now. Yeah, I think he wants to. Yeah. He wants to go out in a big flame, I think.

Yeah, and I people probably will. He'll probably refuse. Everything might flee. Who knows? Yeah, I think Trump still might flee. I'm hanging on to that. That'd be so funny. That'd be cool. Also Thursday we learned Bannon interviewed with the Senate Intel panel on Cambridge Analytica last month. According to the Daily Beast, Bannon

faced questions about the now defunct data company in a closed door session. Richard Burr, Mark Warner, and Bannon's attorney have declined to comment. But it's important to note that Bannon's attorney is still the same lawyer used by former White House counsel Don McGahn and the former White House chief of staff under Trump, Ryan's pre-bus mole. That's important because if you're a lawyer representing three dudes or three people, all three people have to be telling the same story. You can't have that conflict of interest. So presumably, ban in previous and again are all telling the same story. Yeah, these are all people. Trump is publicly turned against too. So hopefully they're all motivated to actually tell the truth and give some good information. Yeah, and we've got a lot of past episodes on Cambridge Analytica.

So if you want to look up what that was, that's the company basically that was stealing the 50 or not stealing, but it's well, yes, stealing 50 million Facebook users information and using it in politically Psychographics to politically manipulate voters, so that's what that came to the channel. They're now closed. They've been closed. And they renamed themselves to though. Yes, they did. They came out and and par scale is part of that, which is the guy who Trump, we talked about, he's had at the 2020. It's all whack-a-mall, man. It's ridiculous. Wacka Prebus. Just see the whack-a-mall game with little prebuses coming out of it. Prebi. Oh, I like that. Yeah. All right. let's see. In Maria, Bhutina News this week, the Red Devil,

there was a conference call Thursday morning between her lawyers, the federal prosecutors and the judge in her case. The content of the call was placed under seal by request of the defense, not the government. The government just agreed to it, which indicates that either health issues were discussed, or defense strategy was discussed.

I tend to think it was defense strategy because shortly thereafter, a public defender was appointed to Bhutin as case. We don't know if her current legal team is on the way out or not. I heard rumors that she wants to defend herself, and they may be appointed this public defender to be like, don't do that. But I can't confirm that. I haven't been able to corroborate that, but they also may have discussed her mental health status as she's been in solitary confinement since November 21st.

And we know from a previous episode that we did reporting that her defense team was concerned about her mental health, health issues, and defense strategy seemed to be two of the main reasons that hearings are placed under seal, because health stuff is hip under, falls under hip, health insurance, portability, accountability act. Basically, privacy act for health stuff. But we also learned from the hearing that they're no longer pushing for a subpoena, and Bhutina's hearing previously scheduled for December 18th has been canceled, which says to me, she's cooperating.

So keep that in mind for your fantasy indictment leak draft this week. In related news, we learned Thursday that Paul Erickson, Bhutina's Republican boyfriend, Beauty and the Beast guy, has received a letter saying he can expect to be indicted under section 951 of the US U.S. code, a law barring people from secretly acting as agents of a foreign government. This is less than full espionage, and is typically referred to as espionage light, but it's more than just failure to register as a foreign agent.

The letter also said he could be indicted for conspiracy to watch for Paul Erickson indictment in the boutina case. Poor NRA beard. Maybe they'll let them share a cell together. Oh yeah. Her house can finally be together. And even though this is outside of the Mueller investigation, I say it would count toward the fantasy

indictment leave because it's related to Russian interference in the 2016 election. More news Thursday that Trump is considering William Barr as the leading candidate for attorney general, replacing Matthew fucking Whitaker. Barr served briefly under pop of bush in the early 90s. He said some disparaging things about the Mueller probe. So there's that. We have to keep that in mind. And speaking of Whitaker, this week the Department of Justice offered

some guidance on his oversight of the Mueller probe, but then not really. In a report by the Washington Post Friday, the Justice Department has received requests for advice and issued guidance concerning Whitaker's involvement in the special counsel's investigation of Russian interference according to department records. The records existence shows for the first time that the issue is a point of discussion within the Justice Department.

The Justice Department is acknowledging they found the records in response to a FOIA request. That's a Freedom of Information Act request filed by Lafayr, who shared the response with Washington Post. So LaFaire asked for all records of requests for advice, authorizations, determinations, guidance, and all requests for advice, authorizations, determinations, guidance, or legal issues arising from Whitaker's appointment, along with anything the Justice Department had provided regarding ethical or legal issues arising from Whitaker's role. So he's basically like, give us everything you got on Whitaker and all the requests and

advice that you received about him. The office responded, they said they found 13 pages of such records, but we're withholding those documents, citing a legal exemption that allows the government to keep private, any internal communications that might be protected by a attorney-clant privilege or could be considered deliberative in nature. So basically, LaFaire asks, just as says we have some, but you can't see them. Yeah, yeah, classic. That old chestnut.

Then some great reporting in the trace and mother Jones about NRA and Trump running a seemingly coordinated ad campaign, which is illegal, came out and Jordan, you have that story for us later this year. coordinated ad campaign, which is illegal, came out. And Jordan, you have that story for us. Then do you guys remember the USV gamble? It's a case about the guy who went to prison and then was charged for the same crime in state court. And everybody was worried that if the dual sovereignty doctrine were overturned, the Trump could pardon folks in the Mueller probe. And they wouldn't be able to be tried again in state court. And everyone was freaking out. And I told everyone to chill. Well, chill.

Because the oral arguments in the gamble case this week indicate that scotis is in no mood to overturn the Dulce-Overnty doctrine and the rule should remain in place, meaning that folks like Manafort and Trump can still be charged in state court for crimes they were charged for in federal court. They haven't made their ruling yet, and it's not until the summer, but the justices made clear that they didn't seem like they wanted to turn over this rule. Even Kavanaugh was like, that's kind of dumb. Yeah, yeah. All right. I mean, I want to shit on him every time I hear his name, but in this case, he's being reasonable. Yeah, and also, it just seems like a

lot could happen between now and the summertime. So I wonder if they're open and changing their mind at all, too. No, I mean, probably not. Usually they have the arguments, and then that's it. And then they come out with their decision. But they have that whole time to come up with their decision. But basically, they were like, this is a hundred year old rule. It's been upheld over 30 times by precedent and other judges.

So that was RGB, that was RGB. How was she doing, by the way? I haven't heard of health update in a while. A good back on the bench. Nice. I mean about as benching 120. I can't even do that. She probably benched more than me for sure.

In a weird twist this Thursday, we learned that Brian Benchkowski, the guy Trump pointed to run the Criminal Division of Main Justice that also represented Alpha Bank after it got caught communicating with the Trump Tower server, recused himself from the Mueller probe or was recused during his confirmation hearings in July, Senator's voiced concerns about his ties to Alpha Bank. And a recent letter sent October 18th from Assistant AG Boyd told senators that Benchkowski is currently, quote, screened off from any matters regarding the Mueller probe.

Cool. Yeah, we. Yeah, we. I feel like as things are ramping up and more people are getting closer and closer being indicted, I see people being more reasonable in other arenas. I don't know if that's to be like, I don't know, like Trump even is doing things that he would have never done months ago. Like, canceling with Putin. Yeah, exactly. Stuff like that. Or coming out with public statements saying that the reason he canceled is because of Putin seizing those Ukrainian chips or something or right, what he, yeah, he said because of the navy thing that happened. Yeah, that was what he gave as a reason It's like they're just trying and then to not do a press conference to respect

Papa Bush exactly They're trying to behave well Yeah, they're they're their last defense is Trying to change the language and we're gonna talk about that a little bit later When we get into the komey hearings that happened on Friday. There's so much news. Oh my gosh is trying to change the language. And we're gonna talk about that a little bit later when we get into the Comey hearings that happened on Friday.

There's so much news, oh my gosh. And new reporting from CNN emerged Thursday saying, Andrew McCabe, my boyfriend, former acting director of the FBI had opened up an obstruction investigation into the Trump administration after Comey was fired. And we knew that, but it turns out him and Rosenstein weren't buddies.

McCabe was upset about Rosenstein overseeing the Mueller probe after having written the memo that Trump used as an apparent excuse to fire Comey, saying he mishandled the Hillary email investigation. So the actions of Rosenstein are at odds with the McCabe memos that we talked about several weeks ago, saying Rosenstein wanted to wear a wire when he was talking to Trump, and Rosenstein maintains he was joking. But I'm sure we'll find out as the obstruction case becomes public. If I were you though, I wouldn't look for any resolution that would be degrading to

the FBI. So the actual nature of these internal discussions may never see the light of day. One source indicate that reservoir of twust. Remember, Komi talked about all the time, reservoir of trust, and I could never say it right. So it's the reservoir of twust, remember? Comey talked about all the time. Reservoir of trust, and I could never say it right. So it's the reservoir of twust. One source indicated that Mueller preferred Rosenstein oversee the investigation, though. So it's still unknown who was doing what and why.

This whole thing is just, we're just trying to piece things together with like 2% of the evidence, and we're just not going to be able to. Right. We're going to wait. Someone sent on Twitter that we try to stitch the news together. That's what we do. Yeah.

Yeah, we speculate. Yeah, just making a shitty quilt. Big shitty trees and quilt. There are shitty year quilts. There's a polio quilt out there. There's all kinds of... This is a pretty good quilt, I think. I hope so.

Yeah. Now I just said shitty as a joke. I think we're doing a pretty good job. Oh, yeah, yeah. I know. I know I know there could be shitty year quilts too, I think. I don't joke. I think we're doing a pretty good job. Oh yeah, yeah, I know I've seen there could be shitty ear quilts too I think yeah, I don't know. I like all quilts. Yeah, all quilts matter. I'll definitely look back on this quilt fondly That's for sure. Yes, that's true. Hang in on the wall Go spread it out on the natcha. Quilts go. Yeah, we could do a Molo's shirt quilt too. Yeah, safety blankets. We got too many projects

Put it on there on the list of projects. But yeah, pretty soon, and I'll talk about this in the Comey hearings, that IG report on the FBI, a field office in New York, that's going to come out. And this whole timeline of what happened in September and October between McCabe, Comey, and everybody is going to figure wildly into all this. And then I don't know if it's going to go into the Comey firing and the Rosenstein memo and what McCabe thought about that and that he set up that investigation on obstruction. I don't know, but we'll eventually get the story or at least some of it. But like I said, they really, they're number one thing at the FBI is to not talk bad about the FBI. So there might be some things that we just won't find out. Yeah, that's what beans are for. Beans.

There might be some things that we just won't find out. Yeah, that's what beans are for. Beans. Also Friday, Giuliani, Rudy Giuliani called CNN's Dana Bash and said that Manifort is being accused by Mueller of lying about Trump. Specifically that Mueller says Manifort lied about Trump knowing of the Trump Tower meeting. Oddly, nothing about that came out in the Manif Fort filing, which I'll cover later in the show. But that says to me that Trump's team did not know what was in those filings ahead of time, which means that maybe Matthew fucking Whitaker isn't getting shit, which pleases me. That's all conjecture,

but Rudy likes to seem to come out and lube the truth like we've always talked about with filings that are gonna come out, like whether he says, yeah, he knew about the payments to the playmates, you know, and change the whole story that they've stuck with And that's kind of what he does that he's he's the punching bag for the you know for the legal team and and he seemed to think or at least I don't know why he would talk about trump trump knowing about the trump tower meeting a man of fort And lying and all that stuff if he didn't think that was gonna come out in the man of fort filing and lying and all that stuff. If he didn't think that was gonna come out

in the Manifort filing, which means he didn't know what was in it, that place. That's amazing. That makes me happy. Friday we learned that chief of staff, John Kelly, is not only likely to resign, but the Kelly has spoken to Bob Mueller over the last few months about obstruction of justice.

According to CNN, John Kelly was a witness to Trump asking Don McGann to publicly denounce the New York Times article saying that Trump wanted to fire Bob Mueller. McGann refused to do so at the time, so Mueller went to Emmett flood. Mueller recently went to Emmett flood, the current acting White House counsel, and said he needed to interview Kelly about the incident. And flood said no, not unless you can prove he's the only one that can answer those questions and that it's absolutely

necessary. Those are the two criteria you have to meet in order to have that conversation. And it seems Mueller provided the proof needed to indicate Kelly was the only one who could prove or provide that information. So Flood was forced to allow him to answer undegotiated set of questions about the incident.

Mueller also asked Kelly about telling telling McGann to fire Mueller, and this testimony from Kelly is meant, presumably, to corroborate what McGann has told Mueller's office, who spent 30 hours talking to them. And this shows how Mueller is really taking advantage of the disorganization inside the Trump White House. When Emmett fled his force to agree with Mueller about conversations that occurred before he even got there, it's clear that the lack of discipline and continuity in the White House is going to be a part of Trump's undoing. It's so crazy that this is even a thing.

This also shows that obstruction is still a major part of the Mueller investigation. Something else to consider. Could this have been the subpoena battle under seal in the DC Appellate Court right now? Meaning Mueller subpoena battle under seal in the DC appellate court right now, meaning Mueller subpoenaed him, Flood and Kelly fought that subpoena, but Mueller won. I'm not so sure because I feel like we'd have heard that the December 14th oral arguments hearing would have been removed from the calendar, and we haven't heard any reporting that those closed sessions hearings have been canceled. So they're going forward with those hearings. And I'm trying to figure out in my brain if they're still going forward with those hearings,

but Mollerardi won the subpoena battle with Kelly. Why would they still have hearings? So I don't know. Yeah, that is tricky. Yeah, I love that he's doing all this work to get down to the bottom of something that relates to them trying to fire him. That's funny.

You try to fire me. Mm-hmm. He wants to talk. Me, Bob. You want to say trying to fire him. That's funny. You have to try to fire me. He wants to talk. Me, Bob. You want to say it to my face? That's great. If you have something to say to me, you can say it to my face. To my striking jawline. Yeah.

Gonna do a Winnipean of Battles so you can tell me everything that they tried to do to get rid of me. Oh, I love it. That's part of the investigation. It'd be funny if you'd like, all right, it's time for me to recuse myself because I'm now a witness in my own case. Yeah, that's what I was kind of thinking, but I guess I would just be too absurd since it's all connected.

Yeah, how many can I share? Right, I can't. They probably already did try to fight it on that ground. Yeah, probably. They have all sorts of little fights and Mueller is about 1,000. He's won every single motion that he's filed. Yeah. You should come play for the Padres. Right? He's won every single motion that he's filed. Yeah. You should come play for the Padres.

Right. He's like a little abroad games of this. He wouldn't leave anybody stranded. Stupid Padres. We also learned from it. Now we're a sports trump test. Yeah, no one knows the Padres that are listening. The Padres is the only team I know.

That's the only reason I said that. Are they still in San Diego? Have they left yet? Oh, no, they're here. Oh, yeah. Unfortunately. I like them. We also learned from it that Trump is Are they still in San Diego? Have they left yet? No, they're here. Oh yeah. Unfortunately. I like them.

We also learned Friday that Trump is nominating William Barr, as I said earlier, to be the next attorney general. CNN said, to be his next attorney general. And I take issue with that phrasing because the attorney general is not his. The AG is ours. He's the acting. He's the AG of the people. And I wish CNN would take care to word things in such a way as it was not to indicate

that it's Trump's attorney general. Bar was in the CIA in the 70s. He served in a few leadership roles in justice under the pop of Bush. He was attorney general from 91 to 93. So we'll bring him back, vintage attorney general. And he's also served as an executive in the private sector for a while.

Many believe he should recuse himself from the Mueller probe not only because he has some negative things to say about it, but because he has no idea what's going on with it. And Rosenstein should just remain in the role. That's what Richard Painter's coming out saying now. He's like, I don't care if you have a conflict of interest. Why do you think you can come in and just take over the Mueller investigation? Yeah.

This would go on for 18 months when we have a very capable person providing oversight. Exactly. So, I don't know. We'll see what happens with that. Also, Friday, Tillerson told CBS News that Trump is impulsive and he hates to read, and that he often would want to do things that were against the law. Wow. Is that like his Twitter bio now?

No surprise there. As we know, Tillerson, who might have been installed by Russia, by the way, that's conjecture, though there's proof out there that Carter Page announced Tillerson in Russia before he was announced here and he had communicated with the transition team about it prior to it happening. And I think that there was some sort of connection with McFarlane and Bhutina and Flynn and all that. Yeah, he definitely wasn't qualified. That's for sure. With the appointment of Tillerson. And now Trump's out on Twitter saying, Tillerson's of Tillerson. And now Trump's out on Twitter saying, Tillerson's, uh, what did he say? That was a rock. That was a rock. Yeah. And I shouldn't get rid of him fast enough. It's

like, you hired him. I actually, he always says that. I said about Amarosa and countless other people like as if he is admitting that he sucks at choosing people. Yeah. Well, my tweet to him was, you're acting like you didn't hire him. Was it Putin? The hired him. Oh, yeah. You're acting like you didn't hire him. Was it Putin? The hire them? Oh, you're acting like you didn't hire him. Yeah, he just had to let him serve out his contract. The hire him as soon as he was allowed to. He's free agent now. Our book, not our book, our book club, I should say,

that we're reviewing Fear by Bob Woodward. There's a lot of good stuff on there about Tillerson and how he thinks Trump is a dumb box of racks. I remember when Tillerson, when he was being really disrespectful 12, the essentially like it's central people in our National Security Council. He's like, I'm not going to work for this guy anymore. He's disrespecting all the people that actually have credentials.

But you know what they're doing? He was the one who called him a fucking moron, according to some reports. That's right. Many reports. And he's never denied saying that. Yeah. He's never denied it. Maybe Trump thought a guy named Rex would be better at,

like, you know, fetching for him. And do you have a bidding? Yeah, he's got a dog name, I like that. Rex, I need someone that has shorter arms than you. I love it. I love it. I love it. Won't make me feel insecure about my small hands.

Oh, Rex T. There you go. I have a new nickname. We have an nickname for Tillerson's Rex T. Okay. I like it. Small hands. Can't stab out his own eyes. That's why Trump liked it.

Yeah, right. And of course, then Friday, the Cohen and Manafort filings came to light and we'll go over those later in the show. Finally, guys, Komi testified for six hours behind closed doors on Friday while Republicans emerged tight-lipped, Comy Kit, which is bad news for them always, otherwise they come out blabbing. Comey came out and said, quote, I don't understand why we couldn't have done this publicly.

And also, when you read the transcript you'll see we're talking again about Hillary Clinton's emails and I don't think we need to do this at all, basically. It's like, this is tidal damn emails. So I'm sure as they touched on were biases in the FBI about Donald Trump, the origin of the Trump Russian investigation and also the surveillance on Carter Page. Also, Hillary's email investigation, particularly why Komi closed the case, Democrat said it was a waste of time, this whole hearing, but Republicans plan on having Komi back again, because he couldn't answer

a lot of the questions, because they're part of open and ongoing investigations. When are you gonna get the message? Komi tweeted after the hearing, today wasn't a search for the truth, but a desperate attempt to find anything that can be used to attack the institutions of justice investigating this president.

They came up empty today, but we'll try again. In the long run, it'll make no difference because facts are stubborn things. That's a thing he likes to say. It's beautiful. There's another hearing in two weeks. It's important to note the Republicans will only hold the majority for the next few weeks. So they're running out of time. So they're going to amp it up by that.

Yeah, some of the highlights of the transcript include Comey's assertion that he saw zero evidence of bias in the FBI investigation including Paige and Struck. Lisa Paige was the attorney and Struck was the guy they texted back and forth about they hated everybody pretty much Hillary Bernie Trump they hated everyone. The cornerstone of the defense of Trump is that there's a corrupt deep state group of radical liberals in the FBI that were hell bent on investigating Trump and exonerating Hillary. But that argument holds no water because Struck actually helped with the reopening of the Hillary email investigation 11 days before the election.

And he could have easily leaked that Trump was under investigation, but no one ever did. If you wanted to wreck Trump's chances, all you had to do was leak that he was being investigated by the FBI. And no one ever did. But the shares hell came out and said Hillary was, you know, we have to reopen that investigation. And then the Republicans kept trying to get combi to say that collusion and conspiracy are synonymous, seemingly gearing up for a semantics battle when the bombs start dropping. They can't argue the facts, so they're going to try to taint the language. And Republicans have a history of doing this. We talked about this last week, like referring to

family reunification as chain migration, or the estate tax as the death tax, or advanced medical directives of death panels. And now they're trying to confuse people into thinking that collusion equals conspiracy, but it doesn't. And Komi wouldn't budge on that point. Collusion can also mean aiding and abetting. and he said that several times. And Seth Abramson did a great threat about this on Twitter, so check that out if you get a chance. Something that stood out to me is when Republican Rat left question Komi about Loretta Lynch, talking to Bill Clinton on the tarmac, remember that?

Yeah. Which Republicans have been trying to hammer over and over again as a reason Komi went rogue and didn't include lynch in his decision Not to prosecute Hillary Rodham Clinton and that's why he should have been fired and why he was fired Which is particularly hilarious because this week Kushner and Matthew fucking Whitaker took a trip together on marine one And then Ratliffe asked Komi making false public statements ordinarily is not a crime. Correct. And Comey said, that's correct. Thank goodness for a lot of people. All is a funny guy.

Yeah, you know, for a dad humor. But very cute. That's adorable. Finally, we get to the problem surrounding the FBI New York field office. This is what I was looking for. They sometimes refer to the New York field office as Trump Landia.

There was a lot of Hillary haters in there. We often get a lot of flack here on Mollershi Road for having Comey as my homie stickers, mostly because a lot of folks believe and write fully so that his reopening of the Hillary email case is what cost or the election. We have maintained that Comey did not have a choice because Giuliani was leaking and some FBI agents in New York were conspiring and threatening to leak the Weiner laptop, which is the evidence at the heart of reopening the Clinton case to the public, which forced Komi to come out ahead of it so he could control the narrative. Komi said, and they sat on this laptop till right up to the election in the New York field

office. It seems like there's definitely a conspiracy to- He was there, he'll marry. They were waiting to use it. Yeah. Komi said he was indeed concerned about a leak problem at that field office. What we don't understand is why Komi fell for it. If he was being set up, this is currently an investigation into the political leaks. There's currently an investigation into those leaks by Inspector General Horowitz. But it's taking way too long to release. And

we're, you know, we can't figure that out. Perhaps it's because it could damage the Mueller investigation because it involves Giuliani and Eric Prince and probably others including like Bannon and Prebus or maybe Junior or maybe Pence. Yeah, and Diamond one Junior and Diamond one and individual one Trump. Yeah, oh that's right. Yeah individual one Junior. But that's that's you know that's we've been saying this and we don't know but the IG report on Komi came out a long time ago. And presumably this this report would be done. But they either I think they're waiting because there's people in this report that are implicated in Mueller's investigation and they want to

wait until those indictments come out. That would make sense. Yeah. And I feel like Komi probably fell for it because he's so like synchdemonius that we said before I think he's the kind of by the book guy that wouldn't see it coming because he goes by the book and now after he got played He's like, okay, now I'm gonna start playing by my own rules a little more like he seemed to speak out more after the fact Yeah, and the reality is is that he there was nothing he could do to stop those leaks Everyone's like well, he was in charge. It's like, yeah, but that's why they're called leaks. Yeah.

You don't know where they're gonna, you know, when they're gonna happen and where they're gonna come from. And I don't know, we'll find out. Like I said, if Comey is an A-hole, I'll stand up and say Comey's an A-hole. Oh, yeah. We'll be the first, but I just don't think

there's enough evidence to say that he did it on his own merit. I think he was cornered. And the most definitely aren't gonna release anything that gives a black eye to the FBI. They're just not going to do it. Right. So when they, you they even though the the field office in New York Was probably you know and the most of them all should most definitely

Leaking with Giuliani. I don't think that anyone's gonna be happy with coming out and saying that the FBI fucked up No, that's a bad position to take right now. Yeah. Yeah Definitely so guys botinas teed up. Ericsson is going to be indicted. We got the Manafort and Cohen and Flynn reports. The subpoenas are coming in for the Trump emoluments case. The Eastern District of Virginia case is moving ahead in the Flynn case for Turkish lobbying, along with the state prosecution case moving forward on the Manafort lobbying

case. Mueller says the Senate can start subpoenaing witnesses in the obstruction case, indicating he's wrapping that up. Everything's lining up in this grand plan. Mueller's been working on diligently for the last 18 months, so stick with us. Things are about to get interesting. We'll be right back. Hey, Mueller junkies.

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who worked as a maid since 2013 at Trump's New Jersey Golf Course and Bedminster, I believe. Oh yeah. But first, the NRA could be in more hot water. And Jordan, you have that information for us. I do, yeah. So some great reporting came out this week that that R RA potentially was coordinating

with the Trump campaign, or I should say they're media organizations that were handling all their ads were coordinating with each other. So as we remember, the NRA spent $30 million to elect Donald Trump. Most of that money was at television ads. To produce the ads, they turned to the media strategy firm Red Eagle Media. That name just screams cover up. It also screams Russia for some.S. strategy firm, Red Eagle Media. That name just screams cover up. It also screams Russia for some. Absolutely.

It's the classic naming structure of animals, colors, and freedom. It's always the same shit. In late October 2016, the NRA bought up a whole bunch of ad spots for a certain very specific demographic in North Oak, Virginia. And they were very pro-trump, obviously, in very anti-hillary, and around the same time, the Trump campaign purchased a series of political ads in that same area aimed at that same demographic and did so through the media strategy company, American Media and Advocacy Group, also known as A-Mag.

So, A-Mag, is that Maga? Right, I'm talking about that. I'm talking about that. group also known as A-Mag. So A-Mag, is that Maga? Right, I talked about that. I talked about that. But there goes my riff. It's okay. You can pretend I didn't say it. No, it's fine.

That's fine. I have more comedic integrity than that. The timing and nature of these ads for the NRA and then the Trump campaign might seem merely coincidental But it turns out that both of these firms are affiliated with a major conservative media consulting firm National media research planning and placement These companies are so intertwined that the ads from both the NRA and the Trump campaign were actually signed off on by the exact same guy Someone named John Farrell. he's National Media CFO.

So now the juicy part, this kind of coordination, it's apparently considered to be in violation of FEC regulation according to experts. The same person that is acting as an agent for one group is not supposed to be acting as an agent in direct coordination with the other. The reason this is so problematic for, you know, once you can predict yourself, I'm sure,

is that this means that national media is acting through two separate cover agencies, essentially, to bombard the exact same group of people with the same messaging at the same time. This is all apparently in violation of campaign finance law, like I said, and essentially creates this megaphone effect to a certain group of people when you get to coordinate with two separate organizations. That's why it's not okay to do an unfair advantage. Former chair of the FEC and Ravel said, quote, I don't think I've ever seen a situation where illegal coordination seems more obvious. It is so blatant that it doesn't even seem sloppy. Everyone involved probably just thinks there

aren't going to be any consequences. Yeah, it's almost like they just didn't even realize the whole, the laws surrounding packs and dark money and the donations and how you can't coordinate with the Trump, with the campaign that you're raising the money for because we don't know where those donors are coming from. Right. And then when you, when you do something like that, your donations have to be limited to $5,000. And we've got 30 million.

Yeah. And I think even if they were aware, like you were saying, Jordan, they didn't think they would get caught. Why color crime? We talked about this. It's said in all time low, 20 year low, I think, like in terms of being actually brought to justice.

Yeah, prosecuted. Yeah. Right. Well, so research discovered that A-Mag, that firm that Trump campaigns, that Trump's campaign used, doesn't have a single employee or contact that cannot be found at national media.

So there's if you cross reference everyone, there's not a single unique actor. So it's almost like the NRA's ad campaign agency that they were using created an offshoot. It's to do Trump's ads. It's more so this parent company, what it looks like, created those two separate offshoots assigned them to the NRA and then Trump's campaign respectively. So maybe that was their attempt to separate them? Oh yeah, on paper, for sure. That's the same fucking dude signing up, exactly.

If you look at it one, it's a little bit too unlaid. Like just hire two other people and put them over there, and then that would have probably been at least a little less obvious. Yeah, yeah. No, it is so obvious. It's offensively obvious. And that's what you're saying about it. It doesn't even say what you're saying. Yeah, they didn't even try.

They literally just created these essentially shell firms that they're using to do this. Other major clients also fund fact of national media include the RNC and other major GOP candidates. So that's not a surprise there. And if it wasn't already obvious that these groups are all basically the same group, corporate FEC and FCC records for all three groups. This is that parent one and then the two assigned, one to Trump and one to the NRA.

Records for all of these groups, Listea dresses of one was the 815 Slater's lane, and the other is 817 Slateriders lane, a pair of adjacent brick buildings that share a parking lot in the historic old town section of Alexandria, Virginia. So 22 Jump Street. Yeah. And 21 jumps. Exactly. And they couldn't even get three addresses. They had two addresses for three companies. At least get a one-on-one match. Yeah, they really did not suspect a con for the shit. Open one in Delaware and then open match. Yeah, they really did not suspect the icon for the shit. Open one in Delaware and then open the... Yeah, come on. Try harder. Now the NRA could have spent as much as they wanted to on Trump, but per federal election law,

if an independent group begins coordinating with a campaign and they're sharing information, they lose their independent status and the right to spend as much as they want and they're now supposed to be held to that $5,000 in kind donation limit, which they only exceeded by $29,995,000. That's close. Yeah, very close. That's close. I had to get a calculator on that when I'm not proud.

What do you love that slide? Yeah. And so the people who work for those consultant firms that are working for two different groups at the same time, for example, you know, Trump and the NRA, they're actually supposed to sign, and this is on the media firm side, not the people within those actual organizations, but the people in the firm assigned to those two different groups. They are supposed to sign a pledge not to coordinate campaign slash election information with those two clients, with those two clients

between those two clients. The pledge also serves as a formal acknowledgement that there are civil and criminal penalties for doing exactly what they did. So they did know because they had to sign a pledge. Yep. And so what's going to happen? Unfortunately, experts believe it's unlikely that any investigations would be started against the NRA or the Trump campaign.

Apparently, to do so requires unanimous consent by the FEC's current four commissioners, they're supposed to be six, but there's only four right now. And apparently those four have been in complete ideological gridlock for a long time. So the chances of them coming to any sort of unanimous vote on that is slim to none. The DOJ also has the authority to lodge an investigation, but that is extremely uncommon for them and there's really no precedent for that. So all of this makes me think that these motherfuckers knew that the chances of them facing penalties was small, so they just did it anyway. It could end up in Mueller's report to the Senate Judiciary Committee or to the House Judiciary

Committee, which is like the, you know, the Jaworski Road map that we learned from Watergate. It could put it in there. Yeah. I'm sure Congress can investigate that if they felt the need because there isn't the only NRA problem that they're having. Right. Yeah, they would also have to prove that people within the NRA and the Trump campaign were aware that one media group essentially was doing that. So on top of prosecuting the media group, they would then have to find some proof that

that RA and the Trump campaign were like eating it, abetting that. That law needs more teeth than that, honestly. I mean, if you're going to be able to say corporations are people and they can donate unlimited amounts of money to campaigns, you really need to solidify the wall between the campaign and the donors. And to make it so hard to prosecute when you just do this blatant dumb, oh, we'll just make two companies next door to each other and do that. To be able to get away with it by just doing that is not okay.

Yeah. And how the public, all of us know that. There's copies of those documents showing that they blatantly lied and have a cover-up companies. It's like, that's so bad for the public to know that and know that there's nothing really that they can do because the FEC is in gridlock. They're basically just saying fuck your votes.

We don't, you know, you're like, oh, thanks. It's so bad from around. There's a lot of bad shit from around right now. It's not going from around time. Speaking of bad morale. The workplace. Oh, yeah. Julia said, a morale time. Speaking of bad morale. The workplace. Oh, yeah.

Julie said, what do you got for us in your racial matters? That is such a smooth transition, AJ, because the name of the woman I'm going to talk about her last name is Morales. Whoa. Yeah, there you go, people. So on Thursday, the New York Times published an article

called Making President Trump's Bed, a Housekeeper Without Papers. Specifically at Trump's New Jersey golf course and a documented immigrant named Victorina Morales has worked as a maid since 2013 and she said she never imagined to see such important people up close and in 1999 Victorina left Guatemala and illegally entered the US just five years ago she began working at Trump's National Golf Club in Bedminster. So Guadamal, so she was in one of those caravans then. Not recently, but one of them.

She definitely has all kinds of just leprosy and... Exactly. She's probably an ISIS person. Oh, definitely. That was my favorite. There's ISIS people. Yeah, that is insane. They're just going for the keywords to scare people. I guess they worked for some of them. Yeah, she's been in the US since 1999. And basically, she just worked for Trump for the last five years.

During this time, she made his bed, cleaned his toilet, dusted his crystal golf trophies. Yeah, she also washed an iron. Golf trophy sucks at golf. I just think participation trophies exist too. He made it. He made his time magazine cover or just pays people off. You remember the fake time magazine cover that he had hanging in his bathroom or whatever? I would not put it past him. Yeah. I just imagine him just swatting people with clubs. It's just regular crystal statues with Post-it notes on it.

This is Trump is the best golfer. You tried. Things remembered made it for me. Yeah. Oh my gosh. And she also apparently ironed his white boxers, khaki trousers. He's a boxer's guy. Yeah. I wouldn't take him for a briefs guy. I always thought briefs too.

I could just one that stormy described him as in briefs when they were, but you know, maybe he switches it up. So yeah, she also just, you know, folded his sheets and towels apparently though everything that belongs to the Trump family is washed with separate detergent in a separate washing machine. So, you know, privilege wherever you can find it. Like, so the family stuff doesn't have to touch each other? I guess from the other members of the golf club. He's got his own private washing area. Yeah, he doesn't have to. The Trump family is closed. Don't have to mingle with that of the commoners. Yeah, exactly. Okay. And Victoriana said, quote, Trump is extremely meticulous

about everything. If he arrives, suddenly everyone runs around like crazy. So she even says she's not the only undocumented worker employed at the golf course, which we would have figured. No. Yeah. There's a woman named Sandra Diaz, who is now a legal resident of the US. She says that she was working there from 2010 to 2013 when she was a document. And both women said they worked for many years alongside other undocumented workers at the golf course. But they couldn't specify how many, however, at least two supervisors at the golf course were aware of the undocumented workers. And they actually took steps to cover it up, which is all ironic because Trump made border security in the fight to protect American jobs, the centerpiece of his presidency. And I have no problem with these women working here.

It's just the hypocrisy. Yeah, I was going to say that's the story. Yeah. Just that Trump has undocumented immigrants working for him, which again, we 100% support. Totally. But because he's that guy, it's like when the Republicans are like, that Loretta Lynch meeting on the tarmac with Clinton, it's unacceptable.

And meanwhile, Whitaker and Kushner on Marine 1, taking a trip together, hanging out. Totally. To the pair of walking dildos. Yeah. And now we've got just, yeah, I mean, we could do a 60-hour long podcast. Hip-Hop, Chrissy Nath. Yeah, yeah, whenever Trump wants to get his toilet cleaned all of his values also good on the toilet

So seriously during the campaign Trump brag that he was using his jealous of that sweet sweet Putin bidet team. Oh, that's right That we just learned about it. They have jackets The pink ladies. Oh my goodness, I love it. The red maggots. I saw it on the back of it. Yeah, I believe it. I might buy one just to frame it. So during the campaign, Trump actually, actually bragged that he was using an electronic verification system called e-verify to ensure that no one document at workers would be hired by his businesses. And this was after he opened his Trump tau uh... trump hotel in washington he specifically said quote we didn't have one illegal immigrant on the job

he sounds like was that president that's like mark my words no new immigrants that was bush it was bush ok ok yeah taxes yeah freed my lips there we go yeah no new and i don't want to look at your lips man gross we're all good. Very good point. At the same time that Trump was saying all this, Victorina and Sandra and all these people were working at the golf course in New Jersey. So I just imagine that Trump was like, oh, you mean do I have Eagles in Washington? No, they're just in New Jersey, my bad. So, you know, just

semantics. And apparently Trump wasn't always a racist piece of shit to them either, because surprisingly, Sandra recalled one time after she finished cleaning his villa. He told her you did a really great job and he handed her a $100 bill. Well, she's not black. Yeah, exactly. She's got that gone for it.

Yeah, and I guess when Trump first met Vick Dorena, he asked her where she was from. And when she said Guatemala, he said, quote, Guatemalans are hardworking people. And then he gave her a $50 bill. Oh, yeah. He just liked her because her name had victory in it. Probably.

Yeah. So, you know, she said she thought to herself, you know, God bless him. He's a good man. But then later that same year, Trump had an outburst over an orange stain on his collar and Sandra tried to tell him that it was- No, go to the tape, it's a spray on it. Exactly. That's your fault. He tried to tell him, but he wouldn't listen. So she's suing him now, no, I'm kidding. There's more to it. But these undocumented workers were in really close quarters with some of the

most powerful people in the world. How can you imagine trying to get the orange marks off of his sheets and telecasts? It's impossible. And she's literally the like most prestigious maid in the world and she cannot get it out She can't do it just by a new shirt you jeep ass. Seriously. Yeah, you stole everyone's money He's it. He was having a bad day. I bet she's taking it out on them But yeah, these these ladies they're around really powerful people which I think is kind of cool It at least proves to me that Trump doesn't assume they're all rapists and murderers right a G

Cushing and at least proves to me that Trump doesn't assume they're all rapists and murders, right, AG? Like you were saying. And Victorine, in particular, said that she got to clean Trump's villa while he was even watching TV nearby. And she got to stand around when potential cabinet members were brought in for interviews and even when John Kelly would visit. So she's been around all these people that are making the laws that stop her from being a citizen. Wow.

And in other news, Mueller has interviewed her six times for a total of 100 hours. He's so cool. Yeah, and just to wrap it all up, even though Victorina appreciates her job, she said that she still feels very hurt by Trump's racist remarks during the campaign and his president. In fact, that's the whole reason she's speaking out now. She said that and the abuse of comments from a supervisor about her intelligence and immigration status. And she said, quote, we're tired of the abuse, the insults the way he talks about us when

he knows that we're here helping him make money, we sweat it out to attend to his every need and we have to put up with his humiliation. So, Victorena and Sandra approached the New York Times through their immigration lawyer in New Jersey, and Victorena says that she understands that she could be fired or deported for coming forward, but that's just how important this is to her. And she also recently applied for protection under the asylum laws, and is currently exploring a lawsuit for discrimination and workplace abuse. So that's where they are on that. Well, who knows to them for coming forward?

Totally. Super brave. Really brave. I use a pseudonym, so that shows you. Yeah, at least you're protected, right? That's the idea that you at least have a law that helps you and they're trying to work with the system, but it sucks that they're working with the most racist system that I've ever been around to see, and so it's that much harder for them, but they're trying.

Yeah. That's cool that they came forward. That's really, that's amazing reporting. Honestly, it could those New York times. Oh, yeah, definitely. Uh, all right, guys. Are you ready for the money show? I want to approach this from a 30,000 foot view,

because we get into the weeds later to borrow some phrases from my time in the military. I like that. Three major filings came out this week, as we all know, Flynn, Cohn, and Manafort. I want to make sure everyone understands the difference between them. The Flynn document is a sentencing recommendation.

It says, because of Flynn's substantial assistance, we recommend no jail time. The Cohen document is a two-parter, Mueller's sentencing memorandum and the Southern District of New York's sentencing memorandum. And then the Manafort document, however, is not a sentencing recommendation, as we thought. It's a submission in support of the government's breach

determination. Basically, here's why we're back and out of our Plyagrimate with Manafort, and we have all the evidence if you want to see it in court, just let us know. We have the documents, text messages, emails, and witness testimony. So the Manafort document is not a sentencing memorandum. And I just want you to bear he's not yet been charged with crimes of collusion as outlined in the redacted Rosenstein memo that outlines a scope of the Mueller probe nor has he been charged with crimes of conspiracy with Russia. And as you know, if you've been listening, I believe Manafort is facing superseding indictments for crimes of collusion and since the government is backing out of the plea agreement, they may now charge Manafort with those crimes, which he will have to enter a plea for. If he pleads not guilty, we go back to trial.

If he pleads guilty, he goes to jail, but upsets his Russian handlers. Or he could even try to cooperate again. Though I'm not sure Mueller would have him back at this point after this cating report he filed this week about what a giant fucking liar he is. So... Colleuser.

He is. He's definitely a collusionary. It's a collusionary man. And then I talked to Renato Marriotti offline, and I said, hey, why is no one talking about these additional crimes of collusion? And he said, you know, he might not even charge these additional crimes. He might just lay them all out in the actual sentencing memorandum. He doesn't get sentenced until March 5th. And just lay those all out in the other memorandum instead of officially charging him.

So we'll find out either way that he either committed these crimes and he'll be charged or they'll just include them in his sentencing memo at the end. So let's go through these filings. First the Flynn document, while it was highly redacted and didn't give any big clues into Russian collusion, it did say that Flynn was assisting the special counsel with three different investigations. An unnamed criminal investigation, the Russia investigation, came second, and a third totally redacted investigation that doesn't even indicate if it's criminal, which means it could be a counterintelligence investigation or a criminal investigation or a civil investigation.

It doesn't even say. Of note, in the documents, is that in the first criminal investigation Mueller says Flynn provided substantial assistance, which is the gold standard of cooperation. It goes on to say he provided assistance in the Russia probe, just regular assistance in the Russia probe, and he gave useful information in the totally redacted investigation. So there's three levels of cooperation, but he gave the most substantial cooperation in that first criminal investigation, not even the Russia probe. Mueller recommended no jail time and indicated that this was because Flynn cooperated early

and eagerly and with a laquerity and with firsthand honest information, meaning he was in the room. This verbage leaves me to believe that this was a public statement to all involved that if you cooperate and you cooperate early and you cooperate hard, you'll get off with no jail time. And that to me is a clear counter punch to Trump's dangling of pardons, effectively cutting his legs off at the knees. Yeah.

And you'll get a little gold star that says, I cooperated. I know, my own way. I know. My head is cooperating. My mind is broken. My head is cooperating. My mind is cooperating. My mind is cooperating.

Witness in the middle of the probe. My head is cooperating. My head is cooperating. kid is a cooperating. My mother cooperating with us in the Millic Pro. My kid is a cooperating. My mother didn't get trapped at that bumper sticker because it's probably going to be true. Oh snap. You've got a couple kids that are probably going to cooperate. And that's what he's saying to people like Kush and Ivanka and Junior like, hey man, cooperate early, cooperate good, you might get a no jail time recommendation, or you can try the pardon thing and I'll find a way to, you know, that'll be illegal and

you'll still get a jail. Good luck with that. Yeah. So he's like, come to where the pardons are, which is this side of the aisle, not that side. Exactly. And it's not a pardon, but you know what I mean. Come to where you can get no jail time. So that's he's, he's countering that pardoned angle situation, which is going on openly and yeah in the public for

everyone to see with Trump being not taking it off the table. And I think Giuliani told it said today that he should somebody said today I have to look it up that that he should pardon Manifort. Yeah, that Trump should just out in the open. People are gonna look back on this and be like, how did you guys let him get away with all of this in real time? But I think that's the point is it takes so long when you're going through it. It was Matt Gates.

Matt Gates, okay, okay. Yeah, Dushbag. G-A-E-T-Z. Yeah, date, rapey gates. Date, rapey gates. Yeah, that's gonna stick. His, he's the one who came out and just openly told Trump he should pardon Manifort. There's pardoned ridiculous

So there are two documents in the Cohen filing I'm gonna go over the Cohen stuff first one from Muller and one from the Southern District in New York Southern District in New York lays out all his crimes and isn't really recommending leniency at all Basically saying he's a bad ombre And he committed crimes from a place of privilege and he should pay for it. They were mad Estee out language. We aren't even fucking around right now They they said they hear some here's my take on it On the on the Mueller Cohen doc. Okay, so this is filed in tandem with the document from SDNY

But I haven't talked about the the Mueller filing. It was only seven pages. The SDNY one was like 40. They were angry. So after they get through the business of saying, and this is the muller document, after they get through the business of saying, Cohen admitted to line to Congress and the public about when the Trump Tower Moscow deal had ended, he told us January 2016 when it was actually June 2016.

It says that he did this to support the president's narrative and minimize links between Russia and Trump and to give the false impression that the Tower Deal ended before the Iowa caucus and the first primaries. But not only does it say he did this to trick the public into thinking Trump had no rushetize, but to, quote, limit the ongoing Russia investigations being conducted by Congress in the Special Counsel's office. Unquote. It then goes on to say Cohen kept lying about this in 2017 and into 2018 to Congress,

and it wasn't until September 2018 that he've told the truth. Even lied about the Trump Tower Moscow in the first meeting he had with special counsel that he had with Mueller, that Cohen set up. He's like, let me come in and talk to you guys. And they came in and still said that the Trump Tower stopped in January and they're like, dude, idiot. So it makes sense if you're going to lie and make it seem like you're doing the right thing. Yeah, so then it says Cohen's cooperation starting in his second profer session. And remember, he was still lying about Trump Tower Moscow in the first one. It was significant for this is the second profer session session with significant for four aspects.

First, Cohen provided info about his own contacts with Russia during the campaign and his discussion with others in that respect. Cohen also provided information about Russian outreach to him, including in November 2015, when he received contact for and spoke to a, quote, Russian national, unquote, who claimed to be a trusted person in the Russian Federation who could offer a, quote, political synergy, which sounds collusiony. And quote, synergy on a government level, unquote. According to BuzzFeed, that person is Dimitri Klockoff, and he made several attempts to set up meetings with Putin and Trump through Cohen promising such a meeting would have a

phenomenal impact, not only politically, but in business as well, alluding to the Trump Tower Moscow. So Cohen didn't follow up on that because he was already working. It says this meeting never took place or Cohen never followed up on this. But there's just footnote that's very important. That says the reason Cohen didn't follow up on this is because it's already had a Trump Tower deal in the works. It's ridiculous, isn't it?

So that's really important. He didn't just, it wasn't like it didn't take me. Now it's not when it comes to conspiracy because you don't have to actually follow through with the Trump Tower Moscow in order for it to be conspiracy. You just have to be talking, you just have to be inspired to make it happen. Yeah, yeah. So there's that. Yeah.

And then he also didn't bring that information to federal prosecutors too because that's like an attempt at illegally influencing a campaign. Right. And they came to the campaign instead of, the Russians are probably going to try to talk and a federal prosecutors too, because that's like an attempt at illegally influencing a campaign. Right. And they came to the campaign and said, the Russians are probably going to try to talk to you guys and just let us know, okay? Kudja, wink, wink, no.

Cohen, the second thing in the four things, Cohen provided special counsel office with useful information about a certain discrete Russia-related matters core to the investigation that he obtained by virtue of his regular contacts with the company, which is the Trump organization, executives during the campaign. That means they're shit he learned by hanging out at the Trump org that's core to Mueller's investigation.

So that's interesting. I don't know if this has to do with maybe going to Prague and the payments for the hackers and all that other stuff that's in the steel dossier we don't know yet. Yeah. But again, more in the steel dossier we don't know yet. Yeah. But again, more in the steel dossier has been proven, none of it's been disproven. So keep that in mind. I still want to see like a Kardashian style movie poster for Cohen, like Cohen takes Prague or something, like this bag's packed. Oh, like Crossroads with Britney Spears.

Oh yeah. So it's Cohen, like it's a crossroads for Partens or... That's great. ...it gets in a pink convertible on ghost 10 talks to Prague. It's beautiful. Eat prey lie. That's my new favorite. Eat prey lie.

And Cohen has a big Julia Roberts wig on. Eat prey lie. I love it. The third thing, Cohen provided relevant and useful information concerning his contacts with persons connected to the White House during 2017 and 2018. So this kept going. And then Cohen described before, and number four, Cohen described the circumstances of preparing and circulating his response to the congressional inquiries about Trump Tower

Moscow while continuing to accept responsibility for the false statements in them. This makes it seem to me like the obstruction investigation is alive and well regarding conspiracies to lie to Congress and lie to the public, especially given the news on Kelly who joined in August of 2017. He didn't come into August of 2017 and all the cooperation with McGann and he used public deception to obstruct justice and not just to mislead the public, if that makes sense. It's important because he didn't just lie to just to mislead the public. If that makes sense. It's important because he didn't just lie to Congress, but he lied to the public, and that is important because it was a message to other witnesses involved in Trump Tower

Moscow on how to lie about Trump Tower Moscow. That means everyone else who testified to Congress and lied about the Trump Tower Moscow ending in January 2016, 2017, 2016. Sorry. They were basing their stories on what Cohen had said publicly, and that could have been ending in January 2016, 2017, 2016, sorry. They were basing their stories on what Cohen had said publicly. And that could have been what spurred the Senate to send over that batch of transcripts that you were talking about, Jordan, last week, in hot notes from others who may have lied to them.

And that could be akin to conspiracy to obstruct. And Cohen's lies also obscured the fact that Trump tower Moscow was lucrative because you know, you don't come out and say, you know, we could get hundreds of millions of dollars from Russia while I'm running for office. And they hacked the election. That seems weird. It all seems way too coincidental. Yeah.

And all despite that, the Supreme Supreme. The Supreme SCO, no, the special counts, the Supreme Council's office. Yeah. It's, cream. The special counsels office tells the judge to go ahead and sentence him for the SDNY stuff, but not at, don't add any time for the charge of lying to Congress, because perhaps what he eventually told the truth about could implicate many others in the crime of lying to Congress. And we're going to find that out in the coming weeks.

It could help them roll people at Kushner or Junior or Ivanka or Bannon or everyone else who basically said Trump Tower was over early and coordinated their story with Cohen. That's going to be the first dominant. Yeah, yeah. It's a little tell there. That's crazy you guys. The Cohen SDNY document, the Southern District of New York prosecutors, this one's 40 pages, it's a lot less nice. My favorite thing is on page 33, the word load star is used. So, interesting. Remember the op-ed, the anonymous look? We're the star supernova, yeah. Yeah, our episodes called load star supernova, but they use the word load star, like, why do they keep just pepper in that in there? Like, that's

just funny to me Yeah, or they're trying to tell us something or it's the guy. I don't know. Yeah, but they're really into that word So we already knew that Cohen Implicated the president when he pleaded guilty to eight charges in the Southern District New York a Southern District of New York six for tax evasion and two Two for counts of campaign finance violations where he said he was directed to do so by the president and basically making Trump an unnamed co-conspirator, unindicted co-conspirator and that was in August. But last week Cohen was back in court and he pleaded guilty to lying to Congress about

the Trump Tower of Moscow as part of the Mueller investigation and not with the same prosecutors in the Southern District in New York. These are different and that's why we have two separate documents here. So now all the felonies combined are being heard by the same prosecutors in the Southern District of New York. These are different. And that's why we have two separate documents here. So now all the felonies combined are being heard by the same judge. And Cohen has asked for time served, or no jail time. But the Southern District of New York filed a really mad angry document as to what a giant piece of shit Cohen is. So Cohen is set to be sentenced next Wednesday, December 12th, on all of his felonies. And this document says he committed four distinct federal crimes, quote, now he seeks extraordinary

leniency, but the crimes committed by Cohen were marked by a pattern of deception and were evidently hidden from his friends and family. So the Senator District of New York recognizes that Cohen provided assistance to the special council and they clarified that Cohen does not have a cooperation agreement. And they say he should not be given credit for a traditional cooperating agreement as a traditional cooperating witness would get. They thereby recommend a substantial term of imprisonment that reflects quote, quote, a modest downward variance from the applicable guidelines range.

So maybe give him a tiny break, but they're, they want to throw the book at him. So SDNY says, we be cool with shaving a little time, but this dude just come back. The applicable guideline is 46 years. Probation department is recommending three and a half. Yeah. They don't have anything to gain from him like Mueller does. So that was smart of the special counsel to shift that over to STNY because they don't have to sit and sit there and be like, thanks for telling us all this stuff about an investigation we're not looking into.

They just get to totally do whatever they need to do. And he had a normal cooperating witness would have to tell you every crime he's ever committed in his life and implicate all sorts of people. And that's what SDNY expects when they bring in people like this. So when he's not going to tell him anything but these things, they're like, fuck you then. Yeah. We recommend almost the full jail sentence that you're like, fuck you then. Yeah. We recommend almost the full jail sentence that you're supposed to face.

And then that, they're mad. They're like, they're like, this is, this is a not, we don't like you. So it goes, it goes on to outline his four crimes over several years, which include willful tax evasion, making false statements to a financial institution, lying to a bank, to get alone, illegal campaign contributions and lying to Congress, of course. They go on to say that what his crimes have in common is that they're all deceptive and they're all motivated by personal greed and ambition. And Cohen was already rich, so it pisses the prosecution off even more than if he were

in need, which is a pretty interesting point of view, right? They're actually saying his crimes are worse because he's privileged and I love that. Yeah, that's really new to me. That's unbeautiful, but this is the new kind of push for that in law. I was, yeah. Yeah, I was surprised to see that language in a court document.

Yeah, this was for us. This was written for us. Because they're like, the regular American is out there voting, going to the polls, doing phone banks, knocking on doors, and here's this guy from the shadows influencing elections like an asshole. And you're like, yeah, for listening to the people,

I love that so much. That's disenfranchising the voters. And that's why it's important, and they're saying that's why this matters in the United States. I completely agree, by the way, sentencing him to pretty much the full extent, at least in the STNY case,

because we've talked about this before. Yeah, he's cooperating now, but he's had an entire history of being a complete crook for so long. Yeah, and this actually separating it, like you said, leaves Mueller to be a good cop. Yeah. Meaning, come, talk to me.

I won't recommend any jail time for you. Flynn, look, Flynn, no jail time. Exactly. Be good and cooperate. Because the cooperation with Mueller is way more important than the cooperation with SDN. Why, I think, I mean, yeah, no, that makes sense. It's all important.

You should be telling the truth all the time, but in terms of the implications for the greater investigation, it's good that Mueller is able to provide an incentive like that. It's good for Mueller to stay a good cop So that he can entice people to cooperate because in the face of all this public obstruction of justice where he's you know We're Trump's dangling pardons and and everyone's releasing their testimony

So everyone can make it the same Cohen went public with his of course he went public with his plea agreement Manafort blew up his plea agreement. You know, they're all just being totally out and open and public about what the lies they say, so that everyone can tell the same lies. I have a question for you, A.G. Are you personally cool with Mueller letting someone like Cohen go for the sake of getting closer to Trump? He says, I know it's a whole idea of flipping

used to get the smaller fish out, but someone like Cohen, I'm like, man, he's done so much shady shit. That's what the SDNY is doing. Right, right. He's not gonna get off the hook. So SDNY is gonna throw the book in him. He's gonna get fortified. He's gonna serve his jail sentence. No's what the SDNY is doing. Right, right. He's not gonna get off the hook. So, the SDNY is gonna throw the book in him. He's gonna get fortified.

He's gonna serve his jail sentence. No matter what Mueller does, that's gonna be a separate thing that they do no matter what. Is that what you're saying? Well, that was what this whole document was. This what he paid you to document. Is they're recommending

pretty much the full jail time for his crimes. Where Mueller's like, don't add any for me, but, you know, he's a good cop bad cop. He's leaving the SDNY to It's good cop bad cop. He's leaving the, you know, the SDNY to do, to be the bad cop so that Mueller can be, can maintain his, you know, his track record of going easy on cooperating with the city. Yeah, yeah.

But you don't have to worry about Cohen getting a lot off the hook because it sounds like the Southern District of New York is not letting him off the hook and Mueller wouldn't know that. Yeah, exactly. That's good. Yeah, it was really smartly by Mueller and I was just going to say that. Mueller knew that SDNY would do that and he wouldn't get off the hook completely. And it's important that he doesn't get off the hook completely for the continued, you know, justice of

that department. It's like if he got off on nothing, that would be crazy. That was what that's what brought me out about Flynn. Yeah, Flynn got no He's not he doesn't have a tandem Southern district in New York lawsuit trial going on so yeah, that's why I try to find comfort in the fact that Flynn is a bad guy who only seem to be Briefly bad. I don't know. I think he was bad for a long time Yeah, probably and it's extra sad because he's a veteran. Yeah, yeah, that makes me mad. Soft spot. No, like it makes me mad that he would...

Oh, even more mad at him. Yeah, yeah, on the flip side for me, I'm just like, oh, but he did so much good. He's also an asshole. So maybe that's just being the first, like Miller said, being the first guy to flip no matter how bad it was. He was like, that guy's getting off the best. I personally think three star admirals in the Navy

should be held to a higher standard. Yeah, yeah. But that's just me. No, good point. I personally think three star admirals in the Navy should be held to a higher standard. Yeah. But that's just me. Oh, good point. I guess everyone's the same from everyone's the same. But the big news in this filing guys is the implication of Trump in the campaign finance violations. Now, we knew from Cohen's previous hearing when he pled guilty that he says the president

directed him to violate the law. But in this document document the prosecution spells out that Trump did in fact order the payoffs which amount to illegal campaign contributions and they lay out all the proof in detail. It says Cohen played a pivotal role in purchasing the rights of two stories about women who claimed they have had affairs with Trump. So it's to suppress the stories and prevent them from having a negative impact on Trump's election. That's the intent and that's important because that's, we've had this with John Edwards,

where they were trying to get him on the same thing, but they couldn't prove that the intent was to change the election because it happened a year before the election when he was paying for his mistress's apartment or whatever. There was an effrime in there in between, yeah. And they never told anybody about it. So it's not like, you know,

but co-incordinated his actions with one or more members of the Trump campaign. It says one or more members of the Trump campaign through meeting some phone calls about the fact and the nature and the timing of the payments. One or more, that's big. And that he acted in coordination with and at the direction of Donald Trump. Yeah.

Yeah. That's a little more on the nose there. Definitely, that means more subpoenas and indictments to come. Yeah. So this isn't just Cohen saying it happened. This is federal prosecutors in New York saying this happened. Yeah. Yeah. They funneled them through Trump's real estate businesses, these payments. And the filing gives all the details about how the payments were made. So now it's, it's not Cohen, like I said, it's not just him saying Trump committed felonies, federal prosecutors, three of them in the southern district of New

York. They're saying it. They are laying out the proof that it happened. The government has proof that Trump committed these felonies. So not only did he defraud voters by influencing the elections from the shadows, Cohen, but he told people in text messages, he thought he was going to get a prominent position in the White House because of what he had done and when he didn't, he set up a slush fund, essential consultants, it's fucking essential. He set that up and started taking money from businesses, trying to buy access and influence in the White House without providing anything really of value in return, and I'll told him he made more than $4 million before those contracts were terminated.

So he's like, you're not gonna to promote me. So I'm going to make money on the side for me anyway. So you have nothing. So while he may have helped the special counsel's office, the Southern District, New York don't give a shit. They want him to go to prison. And that was their recommendation. He's an asshole. Yeah. All right. Man of Fort. Time for Man of Fort. Oh my God. I forgot there was more. Oh yes. Lots is redacted in this. First, Mueller wants the court to know that he's about to lay out a bunch of lies

and that he can prove Manifort lied in a hearing with documentary evidence and witness testimony of the court wants to do that. It also includes a motion to file under seal factual material that relates depending investigations and uncharged individuals. So there's a second document that was filed under seal. That's the one I wish I could read.

It then goes on to describe the case law that allows for the prosecution of to breach the cooperation agreement at least fourth, how manifold breached is agreement. So this document is not a sentencing memorandum. We thought it was going to be a, here's every single crime we ever committed in. Here's how you should sentence them. It's not that. It's a, here's why we blew up the plea agreement. That's all it is. Here's the lies he told after he started cooperating. This is why we're blowing up the plea agreement. And it only outlines those lies and crimes. It doesn't outlaw anything he did before. Yeah. Or any of his collusionary

stuff, collusionary. So the first thing it says interactions with Kalimnik. So first he lied about interactions with Kalimnik. And if he lied about interactions with Kalimnik. And if you remember, Constantin Kalimnik is the guy who was indicted alongside Manifort. He's the guy who was the go between him and Darapaska, right? Like he's the one who sent the message to Kalimnik. Like if I give up campaign briefings to you that you sent to Darapaska, will this make us whole? Because he owed Darapaska like $19 million from a telecom deal that went shitty.

So first, he lied about interactions with Kalimnik after he started cooperating. And then much of the document is redacted. It appears to say what he lied about and what really happened, both of which are redacted. And then it says the evidence included electronic communications and travel records. And when they showed those documents to Manafort, Manafort conceded. When he said, here communications and travel records. And when they showed those documents to Manifort,

Manifort conceded when he said, here's your travel documents. So he's like, oh yeah, I met with Kalimnik. And we may, and he and Kalimnik discussed or may have discussed redacted at each meeting. So that's probably, I think that that's Derapaska. Or the Trump, you know, Trump campaign. Yeah. So there were multiple meetings, possibly one with Derapaska, and Trump, you know, Trump campaign. Yeah.

So there were multiple meetings, possibly one with Darapaska, and they have proof of Manifort's travel and maybe Darapaska's and Kalimnik's travel as well. And they discussed something that's been redacted. And then there's more redacted stuff about Kalimnik. The number two thing on there is Kalimnik's role in the obstruction conspiracy. And this is about Manifort reaching out to two witnesses through Cholimnic to get them to change their testimony. Manifort lied about this after he entered into his plea

agreement. This is the thing where that blew up his bail and got him thrown in the clank. The subordinate perjury. Yeah. And he continued to lie about it after he agreed to cooperate. Then he admitted he conspired with Cholimnic to subborn witnesses trying

to get them to ex-go-paid him of fair violations. Now this is funny because every single thing that he lied about, he eventually, oh yeah, I love you. And this is all in the last couple. This is after he started to cooperate. That's crazy. It is. You've got to be like, dude, I'm going away for a long time.

I'm just going to do whatever I can right now. To start. Yeah. Yeah, I just push him back, and he's already in jail because he's subordinate those witnesses. And so it's like, you dumbass. And they won't let him wear a suit.

He's got to wear a green jumpsuit. I love it. The number three thing is payment to a firm working from Manifort. This is about $125,000 payment Manifort lied about from firm A to entity B. And then there's a bunch of redactions. I can't guess what this was for. Other than maybe a little conjecture, perhaps it was about that whitewash report on Temeschenko by the scatting law firm maybe, or maybe a payoff for the conspiracy to lie about

Farah, where he maybe paid those two people. I don't know. My beans are on the first one. The whitewash. It's all yeah, it's all redacted and I can only speculate. My beans are on the first one, the white wash. It's all, yeah, it's all redacted and I can only speculate. But it does say Mueller has documentary evidence that the payment was not what Manafort said it was about. So, it's all that matter. I know.

And then number four is mysterious. It's another Department of Justice investigation. This says that prior to the cooperation agreement, Manafort provided information about person's name redacted that was pertinent to an investigation in another district. But after his agreement, he changed his story and gave up exculpatory information

about the redacted person and then changed it back when shown notes of his own testimony in the earlier processions prior to the plea agreement. So he can't even fucking remember what he lied about. So he came in, he gave this information about Namridacted, and then he came in, and after his plea agreement and said, change the story about that guy, or lady, probably guy. And then they said, but you said, and here's when you said, and he's like, oh yeah, that's what I meant. Like he can't even...

That's a true pathological liar right there. He can't even lie to me. He's such a piece of shit. And then number five, contact with the administration. After his plea agreement, Manafort said he didn't have director and direct communications with anyone in the administration. You said no, the lie detector tested term in that was a lie. So here we go. Quote, the evidence demonstrates that Manafort had contact with administration officials.

Unquote, for example, in a text exchange from May 26, 2018, Manafort authorized a person to communicate with the Trump administration officials on Manafort's behalf. And Mueller had all the text communications. And this sounds like maybe that could have been that faltering thing that was going on. When he was trying to get his, he had a spare laptop brought in, but that was back in May. I don't know. That's interesting, that they, yeah, that might come up.

I don't know. But apart from all that, there was like I said, a second document filed under seal about uncharged individuals and ongoing investigations. Those are those superseding indictments I've been talking about for a year. That's what's in there. And it's important to note that this is not the sentencing recommendation, like I said, for Manafort. And what I want to know, again, is why nobody's talking about what happens with the crimes

he's committed that he's not been charged with. All the conspiracy crimes, collusionary crimes, crimes, we asked, like I said, I asked Renato Marriotti about that. He's that law professor, he's the host of on topic, the podcast, great podcast. And like he said, like I said, he said, there's probably more conduct they could charge Manafort with, but it's more efficient to present the judges. Yes, there are two judges, because there's two cases who are already sentencing him so they can factor them in. In that case, we would hear about

the crimes of collusion in the sentencing memorandum, whenever that comes out sometimes before, sometime before March 5th, unless it gets pushed back again. All right. Put some beans on it. Yeah. What I thought's it, those are the big three. Woo! That's my brain is so packed right now. Like that's a lot of information I want.

Why do you think they did that on the same week? That's just how the cards fell, man. I guess so, that's pretty nuts though. I love it. I love it and I'll roll it up the same week. It was a lot. Yeah. Yeah. To get in a week, but I think the Cohen and the Manafort filings have separate redacted filings. I love it. I love it and I'll roll it up the same week. It was a lot. Yeah.

To get in a week, but there's, but I think the Cohen and the Manafort filings have separate redacted filings. Yeah, yeah. Uh, that we don't get to see. I think we're breaking that down too. Yeah. Because it was harder to process in real time when the news was rolling out. And now I'm like, oh, okay.

It was so much. Yeah. And people, you know, I appreciate them going through the details and stuff, but to look at it, big picture, I appreciate them going through the details and stuff, but to look at it big picture, I think, is important. We have to kind of pull all that together and just remember that these aren't all the things. It's always more. It's all yet to come.

And he can't release anything that could be harmful to any opening on going investigations. So we knew that until the end unless the stone indictments came out. There's a lot of redactant. That all this was gonna be redactant. Yeah, we knew it. But there's still so much from even the unredactant parts that I can't even imagine what an episode would look like if we got all the information.

Yeah, I want the second, they're good to see you. Yeah. Never random. Yeah, there's so much fun conjecture that came out of even the released, you know, redactant images like people found out that the length of Donald J. Trump would be the exact same length that some of the redacted elements in this. Scott's that one showed that.

He's like, he's so much brilliant. Yeah, exactly. I love all the jokes that came out of it, the memes, the redacted memes. Trump has tiny pixels. I'm sure, yeah, the redact memes were good. Yeah. We posted a picture of the United States flag. That was a good one.

That looked like a redacted document with a stripes where the redacted redaction. They did the Alcaste album cover. I think it was St. Tony or something like that because it has like an American flag in the back and they put the redacted picture over it. Somebody from your own went up. Yeah.

Huge mural went up with the redacted documents. People are creative. I've got some great pictures of it instead of it's saying Trump Tower International. It says individual one tower and we should start referring to him as individual one now. As much as we can. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, a fun drinking game or Another nickname I came up with with and I'm sure that I'm not the first to come up with this is that Somebody was talking about the payments And how they were you know made on accident or something like that and and I've said oh, yeah

It must be just like how he accidentally must have just fallen into that playmate Maybe a couple times because he's a two pump Trump and then I left it in that and then I said I'll show myself out To pump Trump. Yeah, and then I and then I wanted to show myself out for saying I'll show myself out because that's also kind of a hat show. It's beautiful. What if his slogan for 2020 is like four more pumps? Four more pumps. Oh, nobody wants that. No one. All right, you guys, we'll be right back. Thanks for listening to Muller Shee wrote. The shee in Muller Shee wrote is no accident. Did you know we are 100% women owned and operated? Every single person that helps make this podcast possible identifies as a woman. Our creative and web

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Yeah, I think that I feel like that usually happens within a certain amount of time. So I'm gonna stick with or I'm gonna draft Erickson. I'll stick with stone and a song and a Coursey plea agreement. I still think he's gonna flip Jordan like you were saying and then a boutine a plea agreement I think we might get news on that. We've it's been in the rumblings. It's just been rumors, nobody gets points for it yet, so I'm gonna do that. So of course you play agreement, but you know, you know, you play agreement, stone, a sange, and arikson. Whew, that's good.

That's good to get. So I'm like, what can I even say to that? I feel like I'll just stick with a rando for the fun of it, but I'll do my usuals as well. I'll do you. Keep in mind too, Manafort could be brought up on additional crimes. He will.

He will for sure, I think. I just don't know if it's this week. Because Renata was saying that they might not, they might just spell it out in the sad and sing agreement. Yes, but he could still. That's true, I take back my for sure. I didn't go to law school. I don't know what the hell talking about here. Good point.

I wanted to add Scott free to my random. We never talked about Scott free. Oh gosh. That was a great day. Yeah, okay. So I've got Kush who I know is a big fish, but just hold now, hope. Bhutina, plea deal still have her, we've had a course you last week, so I'll keep that and plea because he hates Trump now.

And he's not retic- Oh, it's right. He's not going to go number. I think he's going to go number. No, my go number. OK, it's going to be number. Yeah, I'll keep him in there. And man, they should have a sitcom. I keep compusing them.

Of course he's retic- I want to do a rando. And then one more, who do I normally have? There's so many that I mix them up. I have Stona Sange. I don't have Tina. Yeah. But Tina, you have?

I don't have Larry Sen, even though I know it't have tina, yeah. Okay, but Tina, you have, I don't have a very thin, even though I know it's likely to happen, I just wanna be different. So I'm gonna do, play the wingely sond. Yeah, yeah. My last one, I'm gonna pick stone.

Yeah. Yeah, I would definitely have stone on there. Even though it's been, we've been saying, like for weeks now, we should get here, get those in diamonds, but then, in a week now, yeah, yeah. Again, it could be delayed by the Miller case, the Miller subpoena case. That's going through the courts right now where he's challenging the constitutionality

of Mueller's appointment. They might be waiting for that to wrap up. He could be really pressing Corsi that could take a while to get him to flip. You never know, but I've seen it. I got to keep stone on there. I got to. Now this is a sange thing where they were announced that he's good It's free not free, but the Ecuador is good with him. Yeah being kicked out of the embassy the Ecuadorian embassy

Yeah, I replaced my rando with a sange. That was too good. I can't let it go. It's just too good All right, what do you got? Okay, so I have it's hard because there are so many obviously But I think what I'm going to do, I'm doing Trumporg. I'm going to do Patina Pleadale. I'm doing Ericsson. I'm doing Corsi Pleadale and Assange. And I'm leaving out stone because I'm thinking maybe for this week at least the likelihood

of them going for the smaller fish first or something would make sense. And I think the Trumporg has a good chance of being indicted. Indicted by Mueller or just indicted. Because you said we can count, right? They were just subpoenaed for the documents case. Yes. Not going to be that this week. Oh, like that's the biggest thing you think they'll have

for a while. Is that subpoena, you think? They won't move that quickly, you don't think? They just just send out the subpoenas i don't know how these things work how long does it how long does it they haven't even interviewed them okay well then whatever but that's the emoluments case that's that's DC and Maryland court that's not part of the Mueller investigation right but didn't you say that we can do nothing to do with russia either i thought you said we could still do that that truck financial stuff the boutina one and you can do the Trump organization

as it relates to the Mueller investigation. No, no, no, no. Yeah, no. Well, now replace Trump work was done. Nice. That's good. No, I don't want to feel like I was twisting your arm on it. No, I don't know.

You make the role. So it makes sense that we would talk to you. I do feel like just because it's Trump related, even though it's not Mueller investigation related, if it relates to and dieting an organization that has his own name in it, part of me feels like. Yeah, it is. It should count. But it is not the Mueller investigation in that. It actually has nothing to do with Russia. It's just a monument. Yeah, no, that's totally fair. It just bad Trump. But it does have to do with bad Trump. Yeah, it's just an extra fun icing on the cake. Maybe we'll do some sort of a bonus alt draft where you can

call indictments and charges that aren't part of the Mueller investigation. Maybe you get some bonus points or something like that. Yeah, I'll flee. I like that. Yeah. Work on that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That is totally fair. Like an all this. But yes, well then especially considering the slow moving nature of subpoenas that I did not fully consider anyway. Even if it was relevant to the moral investigation, I'm gonna take them off for a place in the middle. Okay, okay. Nice. Sounds good. All right, and I don't know if it's a slow-moving as much as there's like 18 of them. Yeah. And they've got to interview all those folks and get all the documentary evidence. Just time consuming in general. And they just subpoena the

Trump work for all those documents and stuff and you know they'll slow roll that shit Yeah, yeah, as long as they can because they're a holes unless we're icebergs, you know Is that is that who? Weissman yeah, yeah, the guy who got immunity and there he's helping them out too. Who knows the financial guy? Yeah, the the accountant I think it's weissleman sounds like yeah Yeah, come up because I don't want to get his name wrong. Yeah, a fact checking in real time. Why, Andrew Weissman? I don't know his first name. He's on Mueller's team. It is Weiselberg.

Weiselberg. Weiselberg. There he goes. I was thinking Weisman, he said. Yeah, he's one of the prosecutors on the special counts. Are you guys ready for sabotage? Yes. Yes. This does definitely. This is the, in the true spirit of sabotage. This is going to throw

a wrench into at least my fantasy indictment pick this week. According to reporting from Vanity Fair's Gabriel Sherman, Don Jr. is facing an indictment for lying to Congress. And Jackie Spear said this week on television, indictment for lying to Congress. And Jackie Spear said this week on television he lied multiple times to Congress. And this week he left for Canada. Gabriel Sherman was told by a source familiar with the matter that quote, they think the bomb is coming this week and he doesn't want to be anywhere near a microphone if the bomb drops. Damn, at least he's smarter than his dad. He's like, I don't wanna even, you know, put myself in more trouble by having a microphone near me. Yeah, I saw that he was going to Canada,

but I didn't even think about that. I thought he was hunting. He's hunting for a better lawyer. Yeah, hunting for a PR firm to help him out of all this. Yeah, for a clue. So I have to, so that means, if I, if I add junior, I have to take someone else off. So I have to either take Er means if I, if I add junior, I have to take someone else off. So I have to either take Ericsson, Stone, Assange, Corsi or Bhutina.

Oh, Corsi, right? And I'm going to take Corsi off of there because he could take a while. Totally. If they indict DTJ for line of Congress, would that not mean that there's a, like everybody else that lied as well that's going to come out at the same time? Or do you think he would come out first for some reason? Well, the only reason is because somebody close to him said that he's in Canada to avoid that. Yeah. Yeah. Like, it's like, oh, it was a little sweet. Okay. They think it's this week. What's interesting to

me is that I feel like Mueller would, and he might have already done this, gone to these guys who lied to Congress, particularly maybe about the Trump Tower Mosco thing. That's just one thing that he knows that a bunch of people lied about. And Cohen kind of orchestrated it when he publicly said what his lies were. I think that if he's indicted for that lying to Congress, I feel like he'd go to him separately and say, hey, like give him what course he got. I got you lying to Congress. So here's what I'm going to offer you if you cooperate.

Yeah. And I don't think we would hear about that indictment until he sort of made that offer to the kids. You want to give him a phone? You want to give him a phone? You want to give him a phone? You want to give him a phone? I love it. I like that.

I'm going to actually do the same switch. I'm going to take off coursey and and put individual one junior on there. Yeah, it's a Trump is individual one. Yeah, junior. No, Trump is individual one. So this is the individual one junior. Oh, oh, oh, oh, you can shake it. Yeah, it is. No, it's not. My brain's like that to you sometimes individual one means Trump and so individual one juniors Trump junior Yeah, yeah It is kind of smooth so I can see how it goes over your head. I miss a lot you guys believe it or not I do it happens it happens more frequently. I like to admit Anyway, so all right cool. I don't know though. It's like he could they might wait, you know They like I said it might be secret back dealings were mullers like, hey, buddy, hey, God, you want to help me want to help, but

he could be indicted. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe he's the indictment fight, a subpoena fight. You know, we, we know that's holding everything up. Yeah, it could be. I don't know, but then people are also saying it could have been John Kelly and the timing we talked about earlier. Yeah. Well, I know we'll find out one day, but no, no, no, no. Those are big beans. Yeah, I'm eager for those. Yeah. They're super big beans.

What friend was it that said he's fleeing to Canada? Yeah, what kind of friend are you? Seriously. Like, I didn't know. The lion that is hunting. That is brutal. Maybe it was Dick Cheney. It's like, oh, hunting's not a good idea

Don't go hunting with your friend don't shoot me in the face to distract from the malignant investigation He would shoot some one Yeah, he can't stay in Canada forever. I Think I mean, yeah, sorry Canada if he does yeah We'd like to apologize on behalf of the United States to Canada and its provinces for having to have him there. Yeah, we're very sorry.

If you'd like Canadian listeners to see him, just let us know. Tweet us. Imagine like him going through customs, like what brings you to Canada? Uh, flinging diamonds. You know, typical. Look at Versailles house. You got Nick Habbins? They shit like spray him with the, what do they do with the tear gas?

What do the people of the border? They should do that to non-Juneer. He's gone. They can't do that. That's every tear gas thing in the matters. Yeah, they go into our country. Oh my god, it's terrible. Okay, I do think I am going to put him on my list and I'm going to take, I'm going to take

Stone off for this week or replace him with DTJ. All right kind of the same logic. Yeah. Yeah. All right cool guys It's time for the interview and this week we had a discussion with Grant Stern so check it out. So joining us today to discuss some bits about the Cohen findings this week is Editor of Occupy Democrats at the Washington Press.com. He's the producer of the Dworkin Report podcast and publisher of the Stern Facts.com Grant Stern. Grant, welcome back to MSW. Thank you for having me back on the program, EGI. I appreciate it. Yeah, no problem. So you wanted to talk to me a little bit today about a guy named Weldon.

And way back in episode 32, we released on June 10th called Manafort Slapped with a Super Seeding Indicment. Our fantasy indictment league was a bit about this guy. So I basically went over a report after, you know, we went through the Kalimnik indictment and we all got points for that. And then because that's part of the fantasy indictment league. But and I also added Sean Hannity and somebody named Alahem and Mousin to Friends of Brody to my fantasy indictment league that

week. And then during that report, I talked about Natasha Bertrand, who's a staff writer at the alana actually put out an article on ex congressman uh... well done who has ties to trump and russia uh... twenty years ago he lost his bid for re-election in pennsylvania after an fb i investigation exposed his ties to two russian companies and uh... back in june dianne finestein wanted to set it judiciary to interview well done about his suspicious suspicious ties to trump and russia it seems that back then he seemed to know about Trump wanting to live sanctions on Russia,

and he knew about the role Russian oligarch may have played in trying to influence the Trump campaign, and a significant instance in which a foreign national wanted to sway Trump through one of Trump's closest advisors. And I can't help but think that that might have been Cohen. And this- Sounding like it. Starting to sound like it. This guy might have the intel, I said back then. This guy might have the intel about a specific quid pro quo.

So I'm adding him to our fantasy indictment draft. Natasha reports he's likely connect to Ardemenko Cohen and Sater and was probably funded by Vexelberg, all of whom have been questioned by Mueller except for Cohen until now. So the $500,000 payment to Cohen by Columbus Nova was likely about this Ukraine peace deal and Diane Feinstein believes Weldon is the linchpin in that. So what now that we've got these Cohen documents and now that I'm reading back, it seems to just slide in really nicely, doesn't it? It certainly does, doesn't it?

So I want to first start by acknowledging my co-author, Patrick Simpson. He's on Twitter at Patrick Kiel Simpson and we started writing a series on the Sternfacts called The Grand Old Putin Party. And yeah, you can laugh. It's okay, we laugh when we say it too. I think it's a good title.

But what happened is, so we started examining, we're like, man, there's this one guy and he's like the forest gump of Russian lobbyists. He's everywhere, okay? Like he just turns up everywhere. But he's very smart. Anyway, so we kind of like saw this guy, we're like, man, this guy is like really close to the Heritage Foundation and he's having these annual events and people are coming to these annual events. Like,

who are these people that are going to these very frequent Russia events, and then who are the people who continued going? And so we started writing this series, and we released the first 10 parts in May of 2017, outlining how this one fellow was a Republican, Russian- American, Republican, basically lobbyist for Putin that wasn't registered. And after that series came out about a month later, you know, I told Patrick to write the story that he wrote on Weldon. He dug up Weldon, we talked about it, we're like, this guy is definitely a player. Like, Roarbocker is a player. In fact, I'd like to call him to do that.

Because that's who I instantly thought of when we started talking about Weldon again. I was like trying to, you know, recall him to the front of my brain, the part of my brain. And Rorabokker kept coming up in my head. Well, Weldon would be like the Putin's first favorite congressman. And by the way, probably a much more favored congressman because Weldon was in congress for 20 years. He lost his 2006 election. After the FBI raided him, it was a deal that he tried to concoct to give $100 million of US tax money to a company in Russia that supposedly had a good in with Putin, which you would think those

are government really need that. But it did have a good in with Putin because it was run by the former head of the FSB intelligence service, by the way, who's still the head of the FSB. This guy was a connection of Weldens. So it puts him very high on the suspicion list when you know that this person openly was trying to concoct a deal between the United States government and the head of the FSB. That is Kurt Weldon, that was his swan song in Congress, and he's quite bitter about that by the way. Oh yeah, he says he's a victim like Hillary. Yeah, nice. But but here's the thing. So, you know, we researched Cohn and Weldon and I mean they intersect when it came to that back channel Ukrainian piece deal. But as we've been learning from the revelations with Cohn's latest plea deal and then sentencing report this week, you know, he obscured that Moscow tower project, right? He obscured that that he was doing with Felix Sater, the Russian mobster, you know, Russian American mobster turned FBI informant So he's doing this deal with Sator doing the deal with Sator hides it completely from January through June

Which is a key time in the campaign and then suddenly those two popped up again Together for this Ukrainian peace deal Weldon and Cohen for this Ukrainian peace deal. Weldon and Cohen. Well, Weldon had a role in it that nobody understood, but Patrick actually wrote about as part of our coverage in June of 2017. You see, Weldon wrote the plan. And he wrote it with a Ukrainian oligarch that connected to Paul Manafort.

Oh, no, really? Oh, yes, really. And they they did it in a college conference. Are there any Ukrainian oligarchs that don't connect to Paul Manafort? It's a very small pool compared to the Russian oligarch parties, you know, like they're more Putin friends. the Ukrainian ones, they're all amount of Ford buddies. Right. And it's funny whenever they talk about lobbyists here, I'm like, are there any who haven't worked with Russia? Like I can't like, I would, I could go open a lobbying firm and just be my whole advertisement would be, I've never worked with Russia. And that's crazy, but true.

And I would be the only one, I think. So, so, you know know we've traced the connections and And we've stumbled into something Okay, we stumbled into something actually like a little bit bigger than just Trump Russia if you want to Bear with me for a minute these people have a couple of businesses and our friend Weldon is connected with some of Cohen's friends including Ardemenko through an aviation business in Florida. And we have been investigating that

and the reason. Yeah, weren't you talking about that a while? Like you've been working on that for a while, right? Well, we've been working on a lot of things for a while. But like, but this is big that the special counsel's office is looking at Weldon. I think I want to say, refresh my memory. Was there some sort of aviation business in Florida that got shut down? And this is, I feel like this has been in the news before it. This has come up before it. I don't know. The only other thing that has come up

and I don't know if it has any connection, it's just a Cohen Florida Aviation connection, which is that Cohen actually, one of the items that he's been convicted of is hiding $100 thousand dollar real estate commission for selling a home in a Florida aviation community in Ocala, the aviation company that we found is in South Florida, Ocala's in North Central Florida. Florida has these aviation communities.

That was it, Grant. it that was it grant. It was the it was the aviation It was the aviation community. That's what I was thinking of right I believe that was part of his his time working for the nation state of cutter There another favorite topic of mine. We could do a whole podcast about that, but in short The special counsel's office is investigating Kurt Weldon because he's on the board of a Russian mob connected aviation company. That company is connected to Andre Ardomenco, who took the plan from Weldon and a man named

Alexander Roved. They made it at a Pennsylvania area college. We have video footage of them with the plan. It was actually drafted by former heritage foundation lawyer You know like he was involved in all this And we have actually two reports on it on the sternfacts.com all tweet them out in a second So everybody can take a look but The crooks of this like the rub the reason why we know it's like mob-connected and what is it? Like what is it? Is that this is a company that's been used as a cover to

create fake debts and sell the portfolio of fake debts. This is a kind of a crazy thing, but in America there are people who are running scams where they create paperwork claiming that people owe debts and then go try to collect. And if they call 50,000 people, a few hundred will be like, oh, I must owe that and send a check or give a credit card or pay money. And it's a giant racket. It's a literal racket.

It's something that the federal government is actually cracking down on. So that's the answer section, and it's a very broad intersection when I say like mob connected, I mean it's... Okay, so do you think that Weldon might be one of these discrete Russian Issues that was mentioned in the Cohen Mueller document or or it's it's very possible and I think you pointed it out when we chatted earlier that You know there's been reports that there was a bodybuilder, right? And of course Cohen actually did plan a You know, what is it? The extreme wrestling. I'm not a big fan, obviously, but, you know, he was doing the Noholds barred, you know, UFC style fighting.

And he was doing that in Russia, so that's one of the people that is listed in the Mueller document, the November contact. And I believe that's something Scott Stedman pointed out. Well, that's a cloakoff, right? Demetri's cloakoff. Yes, a cloakoff, yes. From the BuzzFeed reporting that came out. And, gosh, if I hadn't closed my laptop,

I have a little chart that tells you the name of the entertainment company there. I mean, I gotta say, though, I give a lot of credit for this work to Patrick Simpson. It came out, it arose out of our series. And to further, I'm going to tweet something else out that we've done on Weldon, which is actually super important, which is in the 1990s, Kurt Weldon changed. Okay, and we kind of observed that change, and we reported on it because it's kind of relevant. You see, in 1999, he was going on CNN as

congressman and saying that America had been cyber- by Russia. That's out familiar. So they got to him. Well a few months later he started working on a peace plan. US and Russia, new beginnings. Good old GRU. Yeah, after like one, after one particular trip. And he started pitching that thing everywhere. And, you know, he and this Republican Ed Losansky, Dr. Ed Losansky that we talked about, they started pitching, you know, cooperation, and they very highly partisanized Russia in the late 1990s. You know, it was like Yeltsin and Clinton

versus everybody else, you know, Republicans and the new people in their mind. Right. And the big, the big reset button. Right. Then Putin arrives and Bush arrives. And this fellow Weldon was presenting his plan to Bush and Putin. Oh, wait, the big reset. Sorry, the big reset button came with mid Vedev and Hillary. Sorry, my bad wrong Clinton and mom The reset was Obama, but there was a big reset of US Russian relations when it was Putin and Bush versus Yeltsin and Clinton In fact, you know Bill Clinton released his archives lately Pretty recently like you know paper version stuff and there's a note from yeltson saying that i think putons are really good guy

ha ha ha ha skid reading not really like strategically important but um... important ronnie he's been saying this all along you know rushes yeah we're not laughing at me now now let's see if he does anything about it in the senate you know he could lead the sorry met you know what met could lead the gang We're sorry, Mitt. You know what, Mitt could lead the gang of,

it'll take 17, 20. It'd be the Romney 20 now. Yeah, it'll be the Romney 20. It was the Romney 9, but it was now the Romney 20. Yeah. I was feeling really, really, I was feeling really optimistic about the Senate chances for Democrats until I finally took a look at the map

and went, oh, well, yes, that's true. Grant, thank you so much. Everybody check out the SternFacts.com and Washington Press, is that it? That's right. I'm at WashingtonPress.com. Slash author, slash grants. Great. And thank you again so much for coming on. We always appreciate your insights and your your end up reporting is really, really, I think important during during this kind of an investigation so that we can get sort of the context of what's happening and not just the top headlines. It is my humble honor to be invited on Mueller's hero with you guys. Thank you so much. Thanks. All right. We'll talk to you soon. All right, guys. That's our show this week. Kind of a jam pack show. Kind of. Yeah.

Our hopes of having a 45 minute podcast as was recommended to us by everyone in the industry went out the window a long time ago. I think we're going to start season three on January 2nd. That's when House takes the Gavals, Democrats take the take control. And so that will be season three because now we're getting into reopening all the Russian investigations in Congress. And we're gonna, I think we're gonna start seeing some of this, some of these major indictments come out. Yeah, and if we get the 10,000 page rents, we'll start putting out those two episodes

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