Jack - Is Your High Horse a Thoroughbred?

Episode Date: August 12, 2019

Today on Mueller, She Wrote we have an interview with CNN national security analyst Sam Vinograd, we discuss the death of Jefferey Epstein, the FBI releases Bruce Ohr interviews, and the DOJ blocks reports on white nationalism, Support Mueller, She Wrote (and our new show, The Daily Beans) on Patreon at patreon.com/muellershewroteThank you!

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Hello. We have a great show for you today, including an interview with CNN National Security Analyst. She was also a senior advisor to Obama's National Security Advisory Council. Sam Vinaigrad is her name. And this is her first time appearing on Mueller, she wrote. So we're really excited to have her.

We'll be chatting about election security and leadership shakeups at the Office of National Intelligence and the Department of of National Intelligence and the Department of Homeland Security, so and the FBI as well. So how was your week guys? Pretty good. Yeah, yeah, good as well. How was that Hollywood show?

Oh, it was amazing. Oh my God. Thank you for reminding me how good my week was. So first of all, Rebecca, she is the producer of the show and she works for the LA City government and she is just amazing. She let me stay at her place. It's where you all would have stayed.

She missed you. Never met her, but she missed you. And yeah, she's really sweet and then we got these nice little big, dig energy hats from another fan of the show whose name I forgot because I was drunk when it happened. But the show itself was amazing. They raised money for the North Carolina district special election that's happening I think this week or not. Yeah, so they raised I think $31,000

Hopefully I'm not miss quoting but yeah a lot of money and it was incredible good. How was Dana Gold? He was dressed as an ape Oh my god, but it was funny. I should have played with that very funny. He was hosting. He was hosting Yeah, it was like a planet of the apestyle costume Which was so well done because his mouth moved with it and everything. And I made a joke about us being the only brown people there and that killed the room. So thank you. Oh, yeah, for success. That's fucking good. He sets them up. You know,

I'm down. It was a really wide audience. It was, but you know, the best kind of white people really, just like all around like, they happen to be white. Yeah, it's happened to be white. Best kind of people that happened to be white. They really just were so energetic. Like, you know when you get a great crowd that is there for the comedy, but also the cause and just the energy was so good. That's pretty much like every live show that we do, right?

Exactly, it felt like a live Miloshoew show, just like on the right audience. Yeah, for sure. When we have that, and you know, we're coming to San Francisco, August 30th and those shows are just, the energy is so great, the crowd is so great. You get the, like, minded people in the room, and it's just, there's some sort of, like, the, the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. It's just so much fun. And we hope that you guys come out.

Oh, yeah. We have a great surprise. I believe Steph Miller is going to be joining us. Oh, yay. In San Francisco, our homie. And this is not actually... Oh, it's so funny. We have an unconfirmed guest that I'm not actually going to tell you about yet, but it's super secret and amazing and you will freak the fuck out. So get tickets while you can because there's not too many left. And we're also going to be having a second VIP meet and greet because the first one, the one that is before the show, the cocktail meet and greet before the show,

sold out in like an hour. So we're having a second one. I believe on Thursday evening. So check that out and we're teaming up with Beta brand for that so it's gonna be rad. That's awesome. Yeah, they're like the CEO. A pants party?

A pants party. Okay, I can even know pants. I was gonna say, is that appropriate? But we have a no pants party at a pants That's awesome. Yeah, they're like the CEO of Pants Party. A Pants Party. Okay. I can't even know Pants Party. I was gonna say, is that appropriate? But we have a no pants party at a Pants manufacturer. If no one thinks of harassment, we should definitely have a no pants party. Which is a verbatim of our own coats. Yeah, I like to assume that Rachel Maddow wears no pants underneath the desk.

You know, like just, you know, a little under the... I've seen her though. She does, she wears like, they're not like suiting pants either, they're like, and she wears a chucks. That's cute. Yeah, because I remember when, I think it was, I can't remember who did a filibuster on the floor for like hours,

but she was like, I can't imagine in four-inch heels standing and she took her chuck tailor and she taped a ruler to it, like duct taped a four-inch ruler to it and she was like, this, she was standing on this the whole time because she's trying to relate it in her brain, which I totally understand I never were heels either. We'll talk about Rothy's later, but yeah, she wears her chucks and it's the most adorable thing.

That's awesome. So anyway guys, it is time for my new favorite segment, Corrections. It's hard for me to say I'm sorry. Oh, I made a mistake. All right, so this week during a daily beans episode, we wondered if there was a lobby for video games. And there is. It's called the Entertainment Software Association, ESA or E3 or something like that.

They might see this new fight as a welcome distraction It's called the Entertainment Software Association, ESA or E3 or something like that. They might see this new fight as a welcome distraction from the fact that they recently accidentally doxed over 2,000 journalists, YouTubers, and streamers when they accidentally made their spreadsheet public on their Expo website. Oh, no. Oops.

But that is a lobby for the video gaming industry. Interesting. I guess, yeah, I always thought ESA stood for eSports association. That might be that. This might be E3 or something like that. I have no idea what I'm talking about. So, I am very willing to admit that it's not that.

Me neither. The last video game I beat was Zelda. And yes. So, that's me. I'll play some pong, you know, maybe a little candy crush, but besides that, I did redo Wolfenstein 3D from the 80s when it came out on my phone. I did play that because I like to shoot Nazis. For clarification, on our discussion of whether AIDS can be cured, AIDS, as we know, is caused

by the advancement of HIV and it's theoretically possible to cure AIDS if the HIV virus can be eradicated or dip down to levels that are not detectable in blood tests before it overwhelms the human immune system. So that's sort of the idea of curing AIDS. So there's that. All right. Catching it early, basically. Exactly.

Also, in a daily beans episode, when we generalize that most Americans don't own stock, I did not take into account the people's 401K's, their 529 education accounts, or IRAS Roth IRAS, which include mutual funds, no load mutual funds, and securities, which are comprised of diversified stock portfolios, which would be negatively impacted by Trump's trade war on China. So it did hit every American, at least those that have those kind of savings accounts. And through work, whether you got a 401k or whether you're saving for your kids education with a 529, those people were negatively impacted as well.

So I think what we were trying to say is, Rich, people took a hit too. It's not just Rich people that rely on stocks in these situations. Yeah, totally. I think I heard an economist or financial advisor or something on NRI, NPR. So I got watching NRA TV during the take his difference in two organizations you can possibly have. NPR was like, damn it, it happened again. But NPR, PPU. Yeah.

They were, they were, can you thank God they never got to the point where they had like an FM station? Oh my gosh, I'm so glad that we sold out. Yeah, but they'd never sold out. Oh NPR Oh, you're saying in R.A. Yeah, like they had our own so yeah But this guy was saying they were talking about if it's wise to pick a retirement plan that relies on the stock market in any way Basically right now since it is affecting those so much. It's been so volatile. Yeah. And he was saying in the long term, it's still probably a good idea.

But for these couple of years, you might see your ROI, if you were looking at what it would be, not looking too hot. Yes. I return on investment. Yes. So yes, we failed to include all of those. I just didn't think about it, so those are there. Also in a daily bean, let's see.

Oh, the line item veto, when I was wondering, whatever happened to it, it was declared unconstitutional by scotists on the grounds that it violates the presentment clause by effectively allowing the president to legislate. Oh, I guess, yeah. Very good point. Sometimes we only see how something would benefit our party without realizing how it could bite us in the ass. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yes. It did seem like a nice fix to this problem. We have with the gridlock, but you know moving on to the next solution

I guess. Yeah, and then you know that checks and balances thing if you allow the president to legislate and the legislature to legislate then you're violating, I would say the separation of powers clause. You know, it should be not allowed. They call the presentment clause. Yeah, they shouldn't allow you to put two bills together then, because I don't solve that problem too, right? They do, though, they do it all the time. Yeah, so it's just like, you're rid of both of those things, and then we shouldn't have the problem. Yeah, that's interesting that vetoing the legislation entirely is not considered legislating. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's only line only line item veto. Yeah, but then, you know, he would,

that he or she would be deciding which part of the legislation would go through. And so that does sort of step on the toes of the powers of Congress. I get it. And I wasn't saying the resentment clause is the the balance of powers. But that you know, it's I what I was saying is it's the it's the resentment clause that prevents that from happening. So let's see, guys, those are corrections. If you have any for us, either from Mueller She wrote the Daily Beans or the Thursday special coverage of the Redacted Mueller Report, just head to mullershearote.com, click contact and select corrections.

We'll get it right eventually. We have a lot of news to get to this week, so let's jump in with just the facts. So as I'm sure you've heard this weekend, Florida, multi-millionaire accusive operating a sex trafficking ring, Jeffrey Epstein was found dead in his jail cell from an apparent suicide. This happened the night after a huge tranche of documents in his case were made public that linked him to Mar-a-Lago, Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew, former Democratic governor of New Mexico, Bill Richardson, another Democratic senator, and several other high profile figures.

Among these files, released, was a 76-page ruling in the case of Jew-free versus Maxwell. Jislin Maxwell is the head, I guess, madame of the operation. And Jew-free is Virginia Jew-free, the woman who was, I believe, 14 at the time and was passed around amongst all these wealthy people, including Epstein. And Dershowitz, right? Yeah, she. Yeah. In the document, it says, G-Free also alleged she was forced to have sex with Alan Dershwitz,

model scout Jean-Luc Brunel, and many other powerful men, including American politicians, business executives, foreign presidents, a well-known Prime Minister. Epstein's apparent death by suicide is now under investigation by the FBI and the inspector general after he was apparently removed from suicide watch two weeks ago after an apparent attempt, a cup, you know, they attempted a couple weeks ago. Seems like they put him on suicide watch for 72 hours, which is the norm. He was removed from suicide watch. And the prison has multiple cameras.

We'll hopefully show clearly what happened. I saw a lot of unsubstantiated reporting on Twitter from people with blue check marks saying that the cameras had malfunctioned. I have not been able to corroborate that claim. A lot of it was coming from the right right wing new sources. So I don't know if that's the case or not. And just this morning, Sunday morning from the New York Times, late breaking news, before his apparent suicide, Epstein was left alone and not closely monitors. He was supposed to have been checked by guards every 30 minutes, but that procedure was not followed the night before he was found. This is according to law enforcement, law enforcement official with knowledge

of Epstein's detention, and additionally his cellmate, Tartaglion, Nicky, Nicholas Tartaglion. He had been transferred out of Epstein's cell, allowing Epstein to be housed alone in his cell, just two weeks after he'd been taken off suicide watch, and that decision violates procedure. Officials have cautioned that their initial finding about his detention was preliminary and could change. Apparently, after Epstein was removed from suicide watch,

the jail informed the Department of Justice that Epstein would have a cellmate and a guard would look into his cell every 30 minutes and neither of those things happened. So that's what's going on with that. There's a lot of conspiracy theories out there flying that Clinton ordered the hit, Trump ordered the hit,

Barr ordered the hit. Barr seemed to be according to reports genuinely surprised and pissed when he found out that Epstein had killed himself because according to these law enforcement officials with that reported to the New York Times, they did call the Department of Justice and say he would be watched every 30 minutes and that he would have his cellmate again. And I guess having a cellmate helps is a preventive measure for death by suicide. So none of that happened. And now, of course, I think that's going to be one of the main focuses

of the Office of Inspector General investigation and the Department of Justice investigation. But I think the most important part, and I tweeted this this morning, is that whether you think whatever your theory is about what happened, I personally, my beans are on negligence, a blind eye, somebody maybe either willfully negligently or potentially was paid. Unknowingly, negligently allowed this to happen, either case, huge scandal. But whether or not you think this was a hit or it was an inside job or whether you think he really just killed himself because he's narcissistic that way, that or whether he died by suicide,

I should say the main point here is that nobody has any faith in the justice department. I, you know, when, when they say that Department of Justice is investigating, I don't care. I'm interested in the IG's investigation with Horowitz and what that finds out. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, this news was absolutely insane to wake up to. I didn't even believe it when I read the headline. I saw it as a notification. It was like, now that Epstein is dead, blah, blah, blah.

I was like, what? Yeah. It's freaking crazy. This is such a huge time in history right now. And something I've also learned is I didn't realize so many people were even in the know really about his case exactly aside from just general headlines, the reaction that it got from everybody like comics, you know people that typically don't really engage in politics and it was a fringe

story for a while until it came into the mainstream and just the fact that everybody so quickly has an opinion on it. It was kind of, in a weird way, it gave me hope that people were invested enough to understand the severity of how crazy this is. It has the public knowledge I wish the Mueller report had. Right. Yeah, exactly. Like if you walk up, I was in a karaoke karaoke bar and Roger Stone is up on the screen talking to Cuomo or whatever on CNN

Someone's like who the fuck is that weird looking dude? And I'm like you don't know who the Roger Stonehenge you don't know that guy Stone no Florida 2000 nothing. Okay, like I was blown away But Epstein's photo pops up on CNN, everybody I think instantly knows who that is and what's going on. I'm actually surprised that people even know Epstein, that gives me hope too. I wouldn't have guessed that myself. Yeah, definitely Roger Stone seems more noteworthy.

Yeah. And that they understand, even though there's like a lot of comics, especially sort of peddling these conspiracy theories. And I think even them doing that is indicative of them understanding how potential people could be compromised by what happened at his estate and through all of his work doing child sex trafficking. So it's so crazy and insane. I do agree with you though. I think it's most likely that he was either paying people off to let him kill himself or he actually just killed himself because for someone to have put a hit on him last month,

was that one the last like he was found with marks on his neck? Little over two weeks ago. Okay, so when that happened, assuming, because people thought that that was a potential hit on him as well, if that was, you would have this. Yeah, you would have think he would If that was, you would have this. Yeah, you would have think he would have come out, something would have come out where he's like, hey, someone tried to kill me, but that didn't come out.

You're right. So I find it hard to believe just because of that, that someone else would have done this. Yeah, unless he's being somehow like silenced, but that's pretty, I guess, tinfoil-like-to-you. Yeah, that is a huge conspiracy theory that I'm not saying I don't see the potential motive for, but less likely. Yeah, I personally think the most nefarious thing that could have happened here would have

been without anybody knowing somebody paying off the guards to leave him alone, knowing that he would probably commit suicide since he attempted it already. That would probably be the most nefarious thing that could have happened. Yeah, I agree. I don't want to take away from anyone's speculation. That's what we do. We're humans. We speculate. That's just where my beans are, honestly. Yeah, same. It's again, not that I don't think that it could be possible. I don't put much past, you know, because of that distrust and the justice department. But just with the other facts, yeah, I mean, he had a safe full of dirt on some of the most rich, like the richest and most powerful people in the world. Yeah. But it's and it's very odd to me that he seems to be the guy who in the in the whole world who would want to die by suicide the most of any other person in the world. So you would think he would have been placed in that suicide room with a suicide jacket

where you can't have anything. And it's just a padded like you would think that. Yes. But he wasn't. And so either negligence, it's either gross negligence or willful negligence. And I honestly don't know which I'm going to wait for the IG report. I know they're going to look at the bank accounts of the guards. They're going to look at all sorts of things. I mean, I do still sort of trust the FBI, but because that's part of the Department of Justice, my faith in that

organization is pretty much totally shot. Yeah. Or how the findings would be released to the public. Right. Yeah. But Office of Inspector General Report is a report that's released to the public. However, we've seen in the past these reports get buried. For example, the FBI New York Field Office, Office of Inspector General Report

from the Department of Justice. We've never seen that. And it was due six, eight months ago. Yeah. Or like when they inspected the detention camps and when they found out people were releasing the information they stopped letting them come in. Well, the IG report was made public though. Oh, yeah, yeah. But still, it had a result where they were still suppressing journalists and stuff.

So I feel like even if it were released, it still can't trust that they're not going to find a way. That was Trump's administration and leadership, not the Office of Inspector General. Okay. Because the Office of Inspector General, despite what they found, released all those photos and everything. And that's why I put a little more faith in them than the Department of Justice, because even though it's the Inspector General for the Department of Justice, they are sort of a standalone, independent thing.

They came out and said, struck and paged, didn't do anything wrong. They came out and said struck and page didn't do anything wrong. They came out and said, Comey didn't do anything wrong. They said steel was credible. There's just been a lot that makes me have a little more faith in them than the Department of Justice. That's going to be the report I look to. Watch and see if that report doesn't come out. It usually takes about three to four months for an inspector general report to come out.

If we don't have it by the end of the year, then we should start asking questions. Yeah. Yeah. And then just some last beans here on me thinking that he committed to a side himself. He, to me, doesn't have a, he has way more of a motive to kill himself than I think people realize because outside of him, just being a total piece of shit. Number one, if he kills himself, he gets to escape justice. He doesn't have to face his actions publicly in court, which is what narcissists literally pathologically

cannot do is be faced with what they've done. And thirdly, he has no plea deal hopes in this, right? Because the crimes involve children, and I can't imagine that he could do any amount of flipping that would, even if he did, he would be turning on very rich and powerful people. Exactly. It's like there's nothing that he could really have done,

I think, to get himself out of prison, out of spending prison for the rest of his life there. So. Yeah. One thing I do want to advocate for is that the language committed suicide. I prefer and I think it's best to say died by suicide because committing indicates that you have your criminal. And it is illegal in some places to die by suicide, which I think is wrong. So I don't want to, I guess I don't want to put that on them.

Yeah. Because a lot of times when we die by suicide, victims are survivors of mental health issues. So yeah, some people might So, yeah, I appreciate that. Some people might argue, well, fuck him, he's a narcissist. If he died by suicide, it's because he's an asshole. So he committed suicide. But, I mean, I just think that the language in general should probably change.

Yeah, I appreciate that. Thank you. I do think, though, that it could be argued that it was criminal doing that in some sense because it stopped an investigation, which is like the biggest amount of obstruction regardless of the morbid nature of how that happened, and you can't inherently prosecute anyone once they're dead. So technically, I guess you wouldn't say that anything was criminal.

Not to say, I'm not like standing by saying, I'm not going to die on the hill of saying that suicide. Just an interesting. Now, the criminal case, the charges will be vacated because he is dead. But the civil suits will go on. And there's upsides and downsides to that. We're gonna go over that in our Monday Morning Daily Beans

episode. So tune in for that because we talk a lot about that. Spoken to and listen to folks like Renato Marriotti and Prebarara talk about how we move forward legally from this standpoint and how it benefits the victims and survivors in some way, and in other ways it hinders the investigation, like you're talking about. But one of the big things is that no one now, he would have been the only one who could have filed motions to dismiss evidence gotten by warrants and searches.

He was the only one that could do that. It can't be done now. Yeah. So that is a benefit to the investigations and the survivors. But there are downsides too. We'll talk about it on the daily beans. So tune in for that. If you're a patron, you'll get that episode Sunday night.

Let's see. Let's head on to federal judge Reggie Walton this week. Says he's thinking about releasing an unredacted version of the Mueller report in response to a consolidated FOIA lawsuit brought by BuzzFeed in the nonprofit Electronic Privacy Information Center. They are seeking to remove black bars covering almost a thousand items from the report. My favorite part of this story is when I tweeted out the news. I got someone replied to me and said, not all of the redactions will be uncovered only part. To which I replied, correct, grand jury material and material that would harm an open and ongoing

investigation would remain redacted, but most interesting would be the reveal of the reasons that the likes of Kushner and Junior weren't brought up on charges of lying to which the person said, I know I'm one of the plaintiffs smiley face. It was Jason Lee a pulled from Buzzfeed. Nice. So I was muller-splaining Jason Lee a pulled of Buzzfeed of Buzzfeed's news own case to him. That's so fun. I know.

I'm like, correct, sir. You were correct. I just like. He's like, own case to him. That's so fun. I know, I'm like, correct, sir. You were correct. He was like, thanks. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's my case. Like, oh, I love your face. So that was pretty funny and took me down a peg or two. Like, all right, that should be Mueller

explaining so hard on Twitter. I might be talking to a plaintiff. So that was kind of funny. Judge Reggie Walton is the guy who, you know, a few months back. I think it was in April where he was saying, I need to look at the redactions of the Mueller report. I need to find out if what Bill Barr is saying is, or what he's choosing to redact is, you know, like, legal. And so he's also weighing that option.

So he not only is he thinking about redacting a bunch of stuff or unredacting removing the bars and a bunch of stuff But he's also looking at maybe weighing what redactions like looking at them and seeing if they you know meet the standard first having you know needing to be redacted in the first place So that'll be interesting The judge cited the Epstein deal as an example of how interesting. The judge cited the Epstein deal as an example of how advocating the reason behind not prosecuting high-profile people like Kushner or Junior generates public distrust in the American criminal justice system. Yes, it does. The judge is also, like I said, weighing reviewing the redacted bits to see if they line up with a law,

though the Justice Department is trying to block the release of the information. Walton says he has some concerns about trying to reconcile the characterization of Mueller's work by William Barr and Trump saying, quote, he said, this is what the judge said, quote, it had seemed to be inconsistent with what the report itself said. Yep. So we'll stay on this story for you. That's pretty big to have a federal judge say that. Yeah.

And go Buzzfeed. Oh, yeah. Go Jason. Sorry. I thought you were not Jason. And this week Amy Burman, Judge Jackson, if you're nasty, she has dropped one of the two counts against former Obama White House Council Democrat Greg Craig, that we thought he should be penalized for having two first names. He was only charged with falsifying a fair filing and then lying about it. Specifically, she dropped the fairARA charge for an agency registration act saying that

a letter he wrote in 2013 to the Department of Justice, FARA office, was not part of a formal FARA filing, so it can't be the basis for a charge under the law, barring false FARA submissions. His trial starts this week, Monday, for the remaining charge of making false statements relating to his attempt to deceive investigators about his role in promoting a report he prepared on behalf of the Ukrainian government, sorry, Ukrainian government in 2012 about its corruption, it's about its corrupted prosecution of Yanukovych opponent, Yulia Tamashenko. So Jordan, you had asked about this 2013 letter to the Department of Justice, Pharaoh

Office during an episode of the Daily Beans this week. And I did a little digging. So it turns out the letter he sent to the Farrah office falsely claimed he was not lobbying for a foreign government. But since the letter was not a legal Farrah form, it cannot be used as a basis for a criminal charge. I'm not sure why he couldn't then be charged with failing to file as a foreign agent at all. Yes.

But this particular charge seemed to be for lying on a fairer filing only and not failing to file. All right. So we could see a superseding indictment for failing to file as a register agent at all. Yeah. If they find that it's worth their time for what they'll get out of the prosecution.

That's interesting. You might add Greg Craig to your superseding indictments fantasy indictment. Oh, yeah. You never know. I'll take the first name. You can have the last one. Let's put the points. Blackjack.

Also, this week, Department of Justice released dozens of FBI 302 interviews from Bruce Orr, then senior justice department official during the investigation of ties between Trump and Russia. Bruce Orr has been a target of Trump and his supporters decrying deep state conspiracies despite the indictment of 26 Russians and Russian entities, the intelligence community assessment. Also, not only do we have the 26 Russians that were indicted, we have the intelligence community assessment that Russia interfered in the election on Trump's behalf, and we have

congressional testimony from Mueller, Chris Ray saying that the Russians interfered in the election on Trump's behalf. And we have congressional tested money for Mueller, Chris Ray, saying that the Russians interfered in the election. So despite all that, this guy's been a target. And the interviews indicate that these 302s indicate that Orenu, that Chris Steele did not want Trump to be president based on what he found. And that our FBI did not disclose that information to the FISC is what the Trump supporters are saying, when they applied for a FISA warrant on Carter Page using, in part, the steel dossier. But prosecutors did, in fact, inform the judge of the origin of the information, and Rod

Rosenstein signed off on it for separate times. Ellie Orr, that's Bruce's wife, happened to work for Fusion GPS, which was originally hired by Republican opponents of Donald Trump, which was originally hired by Republican opponents of Donald Trump, but then was hired by the Clinton campaign after Trump won the GOP nomination. Also of note, the first interview of OR was more than a month after the FBI asked a judge to approve surveillance on Carter Page, who had left the Trump campaign months earlier. The application explicitly stated the FBI speculates the identified person was likely looking for information that could be used to discredit

candidate ones campaign. So it was told to the Fisk when applying for the FISA for Carter page by the FBI that this part of the application the application was like six to 800 pages and we know that the that you know the steel dossier is not the tiny part of that application. And they did tell the court, hey, just so you know, this was op-o research by people who didn't want Trump to be president. So they did mention it. So we'll see how that goes. But yeah, this is part of the DOJ.

You know, I feel like Barr is declassifying these documents to try to make it look like deep states of things. Oh, God. Get off the frickin dossier. And something very interesting that came out of the or document dump was a statement in a 302 from what appears to be an interview with Glenn Simpson for Fusion GPS about the Alpha Bank server communication with Trump Tower. Listen to this clip really quick from way back in October, October 14th of last year in

our episode called the Mueller Megasode. Check it out. All right, I'd like to talk a bit about a theory I'm cooking up. About the three big stories that dropped this week, one about the AlphaBank servers, one about Gates and his connection to the Israeli firm, SIGROUP, and the Peter Smith update. And let me say, this is conjecture. A lot of this is conjecture. There'll be facts in here, but this is,

just hold on, because it's gonna get tinfoily. I noticed there was something that was mentioned in all three of the stories, a thread that runs through them all. And if they all dropped pretty much at the same time, almost the same day, within the same 24 hours, 48 hour period, I think it could have been because of that one common thing. Like something was found and somebody had gotten out. It just seems odd, the timing and that this is one thing that goes through everything.

I started to wonder about the timeline of the Trump campaign and the Office Server communications. Let's start with a common thread. All three stories, Peter Smith, Sci Group, and the Alpha Bank story, all mentioned foldering. They messaged your apps. stories, Peter Smith, Sy Group, and the Alpha Bank story, all mentioned foldering and messenger apps, right? So, foldering is that communications technique, like I said, where you log into your email, write a draft, don't send it because sending it is detectable. And there are all three of these stories come on the heels of the Maniford Cooperation

deal. And Maniford is a known folderer. So what makes that common theme of foldering and messenger apps important is the timing of these stories. It seems to me that foldering or messenger app Intel could have been the catalyst for these stories. And Manifort, as I said, he's a known user of foldering and messenger apps like WhatsApp and Signal. If you remember when Manifort was on house arrest wearing two ankle bracelets, the feds caught him foldering with a guy named Sagar and attempt to influence his testimony in Manafort's then upcoming DC trial. Manafort was subsequently charged with witness tampering thrown in jail and his bail was refoked.

According to the amazing reporting about the AlphaBank servers, as I mentioned earlier in the show, there were peculiar communications between the AlphaBank server and the Trump domain Trump tower server. And to get answers, the cyber experts found that these communication, they put two groups of cyber experts together, separated them so they didn't communicate. And the cyber experts found that the communications between the servers called DNS lookups

did not seem to align with patterns associated with normal email marketing or spam, which is what usually happens, and that between servers like that. Two separate independent groups of experts concluded these communications were likely not emails or spam, but the DNS lookups seem to be random and manual, not automated, and they could be foldering, which requires a DNS lookup

for the other person to log into your Gmail account or whatever email account you're using to folder, or the utilization of a messenger app. They do not have the messages. They only have the DNS lookups and when they occurred, though Adam Schiff did request the meet of the messages from Sendine and AlphaBank without subpoena power, he couldn't get those data.

So, please. So now remember Sager, that's the guy Manifort was trying to communicate with and was ultimately charged with witness tampering for an obstruction of justice for. Well he pops up in the New York Times story about Rick Gates and Sigh Group. Sigh is the guy Burnbomb got Gates's email address from to discuss Sigh Group capabilities. So now we have Manafort Gates and Sigh are all using foldering for sure and probably messenger apps as well.

And the reason I mentioned foldering there at the end of that was because three stories dropped that week in October that mentioned foldering technique, which it's the end of the use of encrypted messenger apps like WhatsApp and Signal. And foldering is a primitive way to hide communications by drafting emails, saving them in the draft folder of your email account without sending, and then providing your password to the person you're trying to secretly communicate with so they can log in and read your drafts without actually sending the emails. And foldering would generate these types of DNS lookups found in the AlphaBank server communications. known folderers. Manafort had a Trump Tower apartment at the time. Manafort engaged work with Vandors Juan and Greg Craig. They used foldering when they talked to them. And they worked together on that Scadda Narp's report

that attempted to justify the jailing of Yanakova's opponent, Yulia Tamashenko. And as we know, Vandors Juan's father worked at Alpha Bank. Manafort folded with a guy named Sager when he tried to get him to lie on Manafort's behalf. That move got Manafort's bail revoked and he was put in jail for tampering with witnesses subordinate perjury. Seger also happens to be the guy, Bernbaum, got Gates' email from so he could pitch

SIGROUP to the Trump campaign. And the Alpha Bank server activity started shortly after the Trump campaign got proposals from Joel Zamol and Sci Group. Well, these newly released 302s include a blurb that says, quote, the New York Times story from October 3rd, 2016 that downplayed the connection between Alphabetic servers and the Trump campaign was incorrect. There was communication and it was not spam. So we've had beans on this for a long time.

I think this is the kind of stuff that's going to be true for a lot of things the DOJ tries to release in an effort to make Trump look good. So, you know, in every situation that they do this, there will also be something that makes Trump look bad. It's going to be hard for them to find things to release that doesn't implicate that don't implicate the president. Do you know what I mean? So, keep them coming. The Wall Street Journal reported this week that police in the Philippines have launched an investigation into 8chan where the owner and founder live. They both live there. They have said they're down the street from each other.

Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah. They have said they're specifically looking for any negligence in the moderation of the site like moderators that could be linked to the U.S. domestic terrorism, Specifically the mass shootings linked to 8chan such as the El Paso murders. So that's interesting. So they're under investigation by the police there. And one of them one oh sorry go ahead. Well one of them wants to have 8chan like well it's already been taken down by the servers but they wanted to be done forever. Yeah. And then the other guy gem is all for it and he's creepy for so many reasons.

Yeah. But yeah it's his money maker. Is that first guy you were talking about differ from the guy that left back in December? Yes, because he was the original founder and Jim got on board. I just forget his name. Okay. Yeah, the original founder's name.

Yeah, I think the guy who left last year is the founder and he's one of the guys. But he wants the site, he's like, he's done with it. Right. But this new guy is like, come on man. Yeah, the other guy Jim, his first business that really got him some money was some kind of Japanese porn thing,

like a porn website, which, you know, I'm not a problem with porn, but just knowing that, that was his first, like, you know, baby of a project. And now he's like, yeah, let's keep a chain going. I'm like, oh, this is just, together, it doesn't look good. And individually, it's like fun, I'm a porn site. But like, now being the guy that's like the face basically of why it's

a premise here, at least allowing it to have its free speech, it's like, okay, yeah, fuck you. Yeah, like a Chan, he just really believes in Japanese porn on principle. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That should just exist. But only girl on girl Japanese porn. Yes, and that's all. And that's a moral thing.

Because that's why they won't close a Chan. Yeah, that's it. That's the only reason that's a moral thing. Because that's why they won't close any chance. Yeah, that's it. That's the only reason. Yeah, crazy. Y'all can fucking will watch it, but you can't get a visa. Right. Okay.

So, I got taken down them. It's servers, like kicked them off, but they can find a new server home as somebody's willing to. I think they've popped up somewhere, but it's that whole whack-a-mole thing that's happening. Yeah, they're looking for a new permanent home, and they could find it, honestly.

Someone might host them eventually. Yeah, I've never been on the website, but do you know if they advertise on there? Oh, you know what? I've only been on for a few minutes, and I can't remember. They might have the space for it for my big memory, but it's pretty straight forward.

It's not one of those fancy sites. It's like an old form. They must. I mean, they monetize it somehow. Yeah, somehow. If they have vads, then I don't believe anything that comes out of that dude's mouth, about wanting to keep it going. He's got to be making money somehow. Yeah, somehow. If they have vads, then I don't believe anything that comes out of that dude's mouth about wanting to keep it going.

He's got to be making money somehow. Some reason. Yeah, if they weren't making money, I don't think they'll be fighting so hard for free speech. Exactly. Exactly. I guess I tuned out the ads that might have been there when I, I was like, yeah, because I knew it would be shutting down

on the hours that I was on. And I knew electric. Yeah, I was looking for the content. Yeah, it's like their subgroup called poll, like short for politics. And it was just grossing those last few comments Oh my god, now we're still up when you oh for sure They were like oh, they're gonna shut us down boys and they're like don't worry. We're gonna come back up

They're not gonna stop us. We'll keep at it and I'm like fuck Yeah, Jesus Gross special Speech fuck fuck it if it was just about that but I doubt it. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I think you know originally it was for speech fuck fuck it if it was just about that but I doubt it Yeah, I don't know I think you know originally it was that's why the founder started He would want a place where it was like in the game Just read me exactly very there's always a cost damage. Yeah, if you posted if you said the shit that you post You'd be like arrested so exactly yeah your speech isn't free if it incites Murder right yeah, so there's that. Totally.

In a related story, though, hate watch has obtained photographs of a guy named Matthew Q. Gabort. Um, Gabort, Jirbit. I don't know. He's a State Department official, a United States State Department official that also oversaw a DC chapter of a white nationalist organization. And he's published hate propaganda under the pseudonym Coach Finstock. The State Department has suspended Gebert from his job as foreign affairs foreign affairs officer in the Bureau of Energy, recent, Bureau of Energy resources, according

to report Thursday from Polico. Among the photos is one of Gebert as a white national, at a white nationalist event in Charlottesville, Virginia, just months before the Unite, the right rally in August. So that was somebody working in our very own state department. He is now suspended. We will try to track that story for you. I doubt much more will come out on it. Don't they look into someone's online presence at all before they get hired? We used to.

Yeah. But now we know that the office of personnel, the president, they're all shmere not facing each other. Yeah. Yeah. And from Ross story this week, we have learned that the office of personnel, the president, they're all schmiering off icing each other. Yeah. Yeah. And from raw story this week, we have learned that the Department of Justice has blocked a report showing white supremacists were responsible for all race-based domestic terrorism incidents in 2018 in the United States. The report was circulated throughout the Justice Department in April, just as members of the Senate had asked the DOJ to provide them with information about the number of white supremacists involved in domestic terrorism, but the DOJ under Trump and Barr refused to hand the data over to Congress.

Additionally, the Anti-Defamation League compiled a report announcing that right-wing extremism was linked to every 2018 extremist murder in the United States, making them responsible for more deaths than in any year since 1995. 1995, incidentally, was the year of the Oklahoma City bombing. That's a 35% increase over 2017, making 2018 the fourth deadliest year on record for domestic extremist-related killings since 1970. And despite the evidence, the Trump administration is not only not addressing it, Trump is actually substantially reduced or eliminated funding for programs that combat white supremacist extremism and violence and terrorism. I'll discuss this a little later in the interview with Sam Vinaigrad, but they buried that report.

Of course they did. Yeah. I'm glad we eventually heard the truth even though it's like disturbing as fuck. 100% of the domestic terrorism deaths. That's really scary. It's like everything is on edge right now, like global warming, it's the hottest it's ever been. You know, the most, I guess, Nazi-related deaths, it's just a bad time. Yeah, 35% increase over 2017.

So, I wonder if they relate it to heat and the racism. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, it might be okay. Yeah. I definitely feel there's just like so much chaos brewing in general and everything is just like fucking awful. I'm not saying that. Yeah, I'm not

sharing the sake. The chaos that global warming. No, they might not. If people's minds turns them into Nazis, oh, let me see. Okay. So people get more violent and hot weather. It's been proven. Okay, that makes a lot of sense. Thank you, man. Yeah, yeah. I get so many emails. Well, the goal, Tan has a joke about that, you know, like the hotter it gets, like, just you get into more fights with your boyfriend and girlfriend. Like, yeah, be sure to dig and you don't know why.

Yeah. Yeah. And there could be unintended consequences of, like, in the Northern Triangle, if it gets so hot, that could be another reason for, um, migration. Oh, shit. Yeah. For just keeping migration to more northern, more northern-y, whity kind of areas. Right, but no, I'm just guessing.

Yeah, no, I'm angry when I'm hot. You can't stand the hate. Yeah. I don't murder people. Right, yeah, yeah, yeah. I turn on a fan, you know, but okay. Yeah, I do think. Coping skills, real low.

Yes. I think, like, fucking do think coping skills real low Like fucking go to municipal pool dude. Oh, how about the chill out? I stand the haystead of the criminal oh There was literally a report about heat and people's moods that came out about climate change aggression increases And so yeah, that makes total sense. Yeah, thank you Amanda Our producer is handing over secret notes in the room. Yes, it is linked. It is linked. Hate and heat and racism. Yeah, I can see it. Heat hate. Heat hate. Hot. Hot. There's also some hot shows. Oh, dammit. No. Oh, but okay, all right. But also, I think this is a man problem. And of course, hashtag not all men.

But like women go through menopause. Hot flashes happen. We don't murder people. We're programs to just go on with our lives, no matter what the heat is. Yeah. And men just don't have that, you know, built into them in their lives. Or the bleeding. They have to go to war, but no kidding.

It's totally different theory. Communion Ryan Shores, he put this post up, which I thought was hilarious. He said, if you want to buy a gun, I think one of the rules should be you have to bring a female with you that says and will confirm she's had sex with you recently. I'm going to purchase the gun.

I can see a whole underground community of people like lions. And that's another thing. It's females. It's the population. We have a bunch of sex. We don't want to have. And these guys can't get it. So they're mad and hot and angry.

So now I'm just making huge sweeping generalizations. They're hot and they're horny and they're angry. It's like angry, but I can't. Yeah. Yeah. That should have be a great snickers commercial. I'm angry, but I can't. Yeah. Yeah. I'm angry. That should have been a great snickers commercial. Just a white nationalist about to murder a bunch of people.

Right. A melted snickers. Do you need a snickers? And if you're not yourself. Do we? That's great. This is so hot. That's good.

Is your good idea? Everything is so messed up right now. This is so hot. That's good. It's a good idea. Everything is so messed up right now. Oh. Oh. Mm.

I do think, as our economic turmoil continues, and by that, I just mean the widening gap between the rich and the poor too, racism becomes an increasingly escape goat too. Oh, yeah. So it's just like everything, including, and I mean, global warming is related to the huge corporations of the world that just refuse to do anything that

Changes it's Mr. Wrecking finger right? Yeah, the old phrase the enemy doesn't come on about the enemy comes in a limousine Yeah, that's good eat the rich. Yeah I'm surprised the second one isn't yacht. Oh, that's gonna be the new one. Yeah, what the second like they don't come on a They don't come in a boat. They come on a yacht. Oh, we could gonna be the new one. Yeah. What the second light boat come on a they don't come to boat. They come on a yacht Oh, we could upgrade it to the time. That's way better. Yeah Inflation, you know, well one has water the other one doesn't yeah, yeah, you know when from boat It's really apples and oranges Yeah, people are starving the whole time yeah, or so you want to start

Because we repossess so many yachts the Justice Department from these dudes like Jolo and the Malaysian Prime Minister and stuff. We have all these yachts just like hanging out like we own them. Put them on TV, yacht wars, Los Angeles, wars Miami. Comedians can go and bid on them. But you don't know. We don't know. But you don't know what's in the locker yet. Is there a yacht? Like it's just a storage locker, but there might be a photo of a yacht in yet. Is there a yacht? Like it's just a it's a storage locker But there might be a photo of a yacht or no yacht or no yacht or like jeffery upstines diamonds pile or something

Oh, yeah, who gets those diamonds? Yeah, stay the victims. Yeah, I hope the victims would be nice Yeah, give them everything and it still won't be enough, but give it to them anyways. Yeah, okay That was nice letting off some non politically crazy. Don't add us. Not all men. I know. Love you guys. We have a bunch of lawsuits this week.

I'm going to go over those except for the NRA lawsuit. Yeah. Which you're going to go over because the NRA did. We had a lot of NRA stories this week. I mean, you're going to sum them all up for us. Jordan. I'm going to go over the rest of the law, see it's in hot notes. And you're going to go over the Kacheou G records request by the US government, right? Yeah. And a quick note on Roger Stone before we go to break because this is just so funny to me. Roger Stone has filed an objection in a court of law in the United States. He wants to object the government's request to play a clip from the Godfather Part 2

during his trial saying that this was the pentangially thing where he's going to testify. Because basically I think what they're saying is stone was I think threatening, corsie, or credit code, or you know, doing mob threats. Like I'm gonna get your dog. Yeah. And so the government was gonna play a Godfather part two in the court to sort of illustrate what this is all about. He's filing an objection Roger Stone

saying it would instantly create a connection in the minds of jurors that Stone is similar to a murderous Mofioso. Oh my goodness, but he, I mean, kind of is similar. We're not saying he's exactly that. Oh, he's exactly that. He's exactly that. I think he's still really bad,

but I get the little bit of logic he's trying to apply, but it's not good enough. It's not strong enough argument. I have no murder. He doesn't have the resources. Yeah, he's probably like a, I'm just gonna hurt your dog sort of. Just a tiny dog.

People, yeah, they're very sensitive to dogs. It's not like the guys got a pit bull. Yeah, might as well be murderous. That's, yeah, that's creepy enough. California is like that. I don't have any evidence that stones had anyone bumped off on his way up to wherever he is selling stones out of his house with his name on it.

I'm not talking people with all his stones. That'd be the, I guess, more effective way, but don't, yeah, don't have me for that. It just reminds me of, okay. So, you guys watch 30 Rock. I see an A. There was a show that Kenneth came up with called Gold Case and it was a combination of

good dealer, no deal, and do you want to be a millionaire? Where you had to guess which case was full of gold. But they have these, like, wavy models holding these suitcases. And so one of them is struggling. And everyone's like, that one. Oh, like that one. And that reminds me of Roger Stone saying, what a brilliant idea.

I'm going to sign rocks and mail them to people. And then when he gets the shipping bill, for how much it costs, Yeah. Just ship rocks. We've got to be hollow. Oh my. Shut it down. We're shut it down. That's just how I see it going.

The guy walking out at the end of gold case, shut it down. It's not working. Well, his only acquisition cost is a walk. Yes, true. Very true. Yes. That's very simple. Probably save money on the front end. Yeah. That's true.

And it's a play. That'd be great if somebody, like, is stealing these stones from someone's yard and got in trouble for that. Just tacked that on. Maybe a possible super seating indictment for Roger Stone. Someone made us a rock stealing. Remember they sharpening Roger? I still have it on my little window. Yeah. Yeah. I've got my Roger Stone as well. I was a tiny one. So it was tiny. Yeah. A, yeah, I've got my Roger Stone as well. I was a tiny one so it's not any. You have a little pebble, Roger Pebble. It was nice.

That was hilarious. So no, he doesn't want the Godfather to. I'm really interested to see Judge Jackson's ruling on this. Like, dude. Yeah. You can be able to play any movie you want in court. That's relevant. I think that's a good idea for Pressonette.

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Yeah. So today we learned from NPR that a federal judge in New York named Paul Engelmeyer has ordered the Trump administration to release records on the death of journalist Jamal Kashoggi. As we know, Kashogogi was murdered in Turkey last year by Muhammad Bonsa. And apparently, there are over 5,000 documents related to his death, that the judge said is of, quote, considerable public importance.

The original request for the documents was filed by a group called Open Society Justice Initiative. And in response to the judge, their lead attorney said, quote, this ruling is a clear call for accountability at a time when the Trump administration is doing everything possible to hide the truth on who is responsible for a coach of these murder so clarion call I heard Obama mentioned that phrase to this week is that that's interesting is that hypernostic clarion yeah clarion yeah clarion yeah it's interesting but yeah I think it's really important that

people do bring this up but it's just crazy that it's taken so long even to get these basic documents. I think they were probably waiting for Trump's violation of the Magnetski Act, but he was supposed to report to Congress what he thought and what his, I guess what his findings were after it was reported to him what went went down he had 120 days when they triggered the Magnitsky act Mm-hmm when Congress did and he that day came and went a while ago And I suppose maybe there was some sort of a legal Mostly whenever anybody says I wonder what took so long there was probably legal behind the scenes things You have to do for due process in order to put your case together to make it a good case And so that that would be my guess, I don't know for sure.

Right, they probably even more by the administration itself. Yeah, exactly. That's a bummer. Because you got to wait for them to not do anything for 120 days. And then you probably have to wait another certain amount of days after that before you file a complaint or whatever or have it investigated or looked into. But now this judge is ordering it. That's good.

Yeah, better late than never. It just makes me feel like we're in like, you know, investigated or looked into, but now this judge is ordering it. So that's good. Yeah, better late than never. It just makes me feel like we're in like, you know, Putin territory. This is what he does, like with, yeah. So I know that this was like Saudi Arabia, but the whole idea of murdering journalists is so Putin style and they're all intertwined. So the thought that this has already happened

to a US resident, at least. And that's not a big deal to the president. Like it. Well, of course he doesn't want to, you know, disrupt the Middle East Marshall plan. Yeah, and you have to have Saudi Arabia and Russia on board for. That's probably the exchange, right? And the Saudi Arabia, yeah.

If you do this, we won't do anything about it basically. Yeah, and we'll buy arms from you. Here's billions of dollars. And, you know, we'll help you keep this under wraps, you know, et cetera. I mean, it's just all part of this huge. Yeah, I wonder if any of the documents related to what Kishogi was investigating to like his actual, I guess, stories that he was following? It could have been.

I'm not sure what he was working on. If he maybe was working on the Middle East Marshall Plan, but he was definitely a dissident for the Saudi Arabia. In fact, he was expelled from Saudi Arabia for negatively reporting about Trump. That's right. Like literally right before he had killed right a couple months. Yeah, yeah, yeah, weird time.

Oh no, he'd been here for I think over a year. Oh okay, okay, yeah. And that's why he was an exile was because he had said negative things about Trump. Yeah, otherwise he would have been in Saudi Arabia. They'd come to Turkey because... Any word for Washington Post, which is a Bezos joint, Bezos owns the Washington Post,

pitched Amazon and remember how he tried to press, the Trump tried to press the Postmaster general to double Amazon shipping costs to sort of try to cripple financially, cripple Bezos because of the Washington Post reporting. So he's got a history of trying to fuck with Washington Post. Just for his own petty reasons. And now you got this motive here. Wasn't I'm Kishogi and Turkey because he was trying to get his like marriage license or something. So he was living in the US at the time of his death, right? But he was visiting Turkey to get a

marriage license. Yeah, yeah, that's just crazy. And that's where he was. Cannot murdered and dismembered. And then yeah, possibly dissolved in assets somewhere. Oh, the Apple Watch. I wonder if that's a part of the documents at all, or the, because I guess they can't all be like, they don't have to be print, like, or text documents. I wonder if any audio has come from what happened, because there was like a rumor at the time

that he recorded his whole death, like the audio on his Apple Watch. Yeah, so I'm just curious about what these documents actually are. Yeah, that's fine. And I think this judge is what these documents actually are. Yeah, unspiled. And I think this judge is saying it's important that the public has this because of the widening public's distrust in what's going on at our department of justice, which is connected to so many things right now, not just the Mueller report, but what we were talking about earlier

with Epstein and those findings and their investigation into what happened there. And of course, the passport to Saudi Arabia to Epstein wasn't his fake passport for Saudi Arabia. His address was in Saudi Arabia but it was from somewhere else and that was to I think protect him from hijackings. Oh God, stupid, stupid excuse. But okay, yeah hopefully we find out more about this. I see little dots but I don't know exactly how they connect yet so. Well we also have to remember that Epstein and American media. were in bed together, probably collecting dirt on super rich and famous people because Pecker had a safe with shit in it,

Epstein had a safe with shit in it, and then Pecker and Dylan Howard from AMI signed the Non-Prossecution Agreement, and then they tried to extort Bezos, then Bezos came out and did the whole article in Medium about how he was being extorted, and that probably blew up Their non-prossecution agreement in the hush money payment case

Yeah, and then AMI of course was in bed with Saudi Arabia when they published that giant glossy magazine about the future of the beautiful Amazing princes in Saudi Arabia and United Arab Emirates and there was a connection According to Bezos's security guy that Saudi Arabia was the one who hacked or helped Jeff Bezos' mistress' brother hack his phone. And they were somehow involved in it. So Saudis got their hands in a lot of different stuff. And when you bring in this Kashogji thing, how related it is, I don't know, but hopefully we'll see through these documents.

Totally. All right. Jordan, what is going on this week with the failing? The failing in R.A. Has Trevor ever said that? No, no. Renex all his quotes. Yeah I was doing a failing new, I was doing a failing New York time. Oh totally. Yeah no I wouldn't put a pass into use the same cadence for everything. It's like you get to be in a race.

But yeah, the NRA had another tough week this week and what's basically just a continued fall from financial grace. And this week's news is all centered around the NRA chief Wayne Lepier in his lavish spending. So there's more criticism coming down from that. Earlier this week, we learned that after the Parkland shooting Wayne Lepier tried to set up the purchase

of a six million dollar mansion in Texas and intended on using the non-profits money to make that purchase. $6 million here will get you like a condo. Yeah that is true. It's a fat ass estate in West York Texas. The picture of it, it's sprawling, so big, huge, probably a hundred bedrooms, probably way more bathrooms than you'll ever be able to pee in for the rest of your life Yeah, with the last name like that you got to go big, right? It's not Pierre and his wife apparently was like complaining about their napping enough room in the men's closet I have toilets in the bathroom. Yeah, so they were they still had issues with it

Good Matthew fucking Whittaker come put some big dick toilets in. Yeah, she'll need one you can share it together She needs a big toilet for a strap-on. Oh, there you go. That's right cuz you don't take it. She fucks you time. Yeah, and she I'm gross I just got what I said Okay, yeah, strap-on toilet. Fucking shit up, moving along. All right. In the book. So we,

dick plungers should be a dick go. You can grab a trap on plunger. Right, but which one is the, which side? Okay, I'm confused. So do birth control. Yeah, but so the the claim is that he said that he

needed this house to protect him after all the threats that he was getting in the wake of the parkland shooting and apparently only a massive estate and a gated community and a permanent membership to the estate's country club would do the trick. Oh yeah. Well, you got to hide out in the country club if they come to your mansion.

Yeah, I'd go all the way. Right. You got to have, because I mean, you know, golf courses provide a lot of cover, right? Just like burrow in the sand trap. Yeah, pull it away. Yeah, then mimosas use like some kind of tree. Hide under the tree, just die into the lake. Oh yeah.

It's actually the best lake. It's a pretty wide open area. I think is what we're getting at. It would be a really terrible place to hide. Oh yeah. And then so that's why the house needs to be so big as well. So it's like the fucking. But you could hide against the country. You could hide in the in the Omelet Bar area.

Yes. The Omelet Bar. Just my hard getting back to Trump's Omelet Bar visits. Yes, sorry. Yeah. But it's like the God complex of this man is insane Just he's just he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's for so many deaths, you probably do feel like God is her point. Yeah, that's true. I'd decide who lives and dies. Yeah, that is basically how it seems like is happening. They also said that they needed two cars to be purchased as well and kept at the estate. Well, that's how you're going to get

to the country club in times of distress. That's right. And you need one that like, get away the land speed barrier. Yeah, maybe we're judging Trump to, maybe we're judging Trump too harshly. Maybe he goes to golf clubs to hide out because he's actually in danger. Those are his safe spots. Yeah, I mean technically, right? Maybe we're sitting right once that you know, fuck him up. Yeah. The transaction was also set to take place through an entity that was created at Wayne Lupier's request, obviously creating another potential issue of, I don't know, maybe money laundering or something. Yeah, yeah.

There's an bezel man there. Yeah. This play of purchase is also under investigation by New York investigators who are continuing to look into the NRA's non-profit status as undeserving as it may be. And if they can legitimately, yeah, even claim that title.

So the NRI is now strongly contesting the reported reasons for the purchase of the mansion and the reasons that it never went through. So there's a bunch of disputing there. So we have to at least answer to it, right? The reason? Well, hopefully, because it then came out that will, yeah, through the investigation.

Right. But also, it came out on Wednesday that a major NRA donor is filing a class action lawsuit against the NRA to seek restitution for donation solicitation fraud. Oh my God. So calling them out basically for mismanaging money and the man's name.

Yeah, like I pay my dues, I want you to protect the second amendment, not get a $6 million mansion in a bunch of cars and spend lavishly. Exactly. Why can't we do the government in the same way? Gosh, that'd be great. I mean, you can make the argument, right? Technically.

In some way, I guess it probably just wouldn't go anywhere because of lack of standing or something. Because you can try. You can try. Yeah. So the man's name who is suing them is David Delacula. And he filed a federal class action lawsuit in Tennessee citing lavish spending by Wayne LaPierre who he claims

blew $275,000 on suits alone. Oh my God. Not lawsuits. Yeah, just suits that you wear on your body. Get all suits. Clothes suits. Any hand suits in there? Probably.

Makes it up. Yep. And $243,000 on luxury travel. So together, that's well over $500,000 just on this bullshit. So this guy, Del Akeela, he is given about $100,000 to the NRA and donations over the course of his time as a member.

So he is a big supporter. Not one of their biggest though. But the $100,000 is almost Trump changed for them. I'm almost like suck it up. You gave your, you know what? I'm glad he's going for it though. I support it. He might not win, but I think it's about, yeah, it's about him fighting for what he thinks is.

And I have a hard time supporting or caring about anybody who donate $100,000 to the NRA. I mean, unless he's like specifically thinking, like, I really want to protect my second amendment, right? Which a lot of them actually are, I think. I would give him credit. It sounds like the fact that he's suing them at all as he doesn't represent what they do.

Yeah, but why did he think that a 501c4 private nonprofit would be advocating on his behalf in government situations? Like, that's, it just seems odd. We'd be like suing a super PAC for, in government situations, like, it just seems odd. We be like, suing a super pack for the Trump victory fund when you found out Trump didn't get the wall built. If they said, we're gonna build the wall with your money

and then they didn't, that sounds like the avenue where they could go. But you can lie. Politicians are allowed to lie. You can see them. I mean, I guess you could. Right, it just seems like a message, right? He's like doing it for the,

I guess just for the morality of it, right? Like if somebody filed a class action lawsuit against a Trump victory fund because there's not a wall right now, I'd be like, fuck off. Yeah, but in this case, just because we've been reporting on it, I'm like, this is fucking crazy.

I wasn't expecting that to be the outcome. Like, because we're listening all the reasons why they suck and we're like, yeah, man, but what can you do about it? And he's like, I'm gonna fucking do something about it. Yeah. That blows my mind. Yeah, totally. And I guess in that example, maybe it wouldn't just be the fact that there is not a wall that's built, but also that they've used the money

on these crazy other things. Right, right. That were not laid out in whatever contract or something they signed when they gave it to them. Right, like how I wanted to like try to do a class action suit that were not laid out in whatever contract or something they signed when they gave for the government. Right. Like how I wanted to like try to do a class action suit against Jill Stein for soliciting funds for a recount and then that kind of never went anywhere.

Exactly. You know, told me. Yeah. I think that it that there'd be a similar case brewing up against her for that too because that does that is fraudulent. It seems just inherently to tell someone you're going to use the money for a certain thing and use. I think you would have to prove intent that you were intending before you got the money that you were intending not to use it for its Solicited purpose that you probably have to prove that through some sort of explicit don't have Mueller do the investigation.

Yes, he's going to be like, they're too stupid to crime. Right, basically. Yeah, and I'm sure there's so he got Martha Stewart and jail for it. That's right, and he was conflicted too. Yeah. Yeah. Should I take this white woman to jail? I gotta.

I give a thought. Come on, Martha. I'm sorry, ladies. So, Delegio, he writes that we feel that the NRA no longer represents its membership and has been corrupted by those in control. He says that the NRA needs to reform their bylaws and that they need more transparency and accountability.

And in addition to this lawsuit, he also set letters to the New York and D.C. attorneys general requesting that they finish up their investigations before the 2020 election. So their investigations do not seem politically motivated because he takes these things seriously. And he thinks if they do any early morning raids, he says, which was a total jab, right? At the Rogers Stoner Res, that it's going to be seen as something that's not legitimate when it is. And this all comes just a week after a few high up in our A board. That's just like a nice sort of, hey, here's a piece of advice.

I think so. Yeah, but it's also like, hey man, get off that horse for a second dude. Yeah, he files one class action lawsuit. Get off your Polo horse for a second. How much did he spend on that high horse? Yeah, seriously. That's a thoroughbred. When you're high horse, there's a thoroughbred. And you might be, I don't know what the new term is, a red hat. You might be a red hat. That's funny. Your horse is a thoroughbred.

It's funny. So yeah, the NRI's crumbling. This all comes just a week after some high up and R.A. board members resigned., also citing concerns with all of this bending. That's right, like three, like three, just were like, peace out, right? Yeah, it's three of like 96 or something. So 76, cute.

So, and I only remember that because it was four more than 72, which is how many virgins you get in heaven if you die by suicide bomb. That's right, in the name of all in pervigies. That is a weird way to remember shit, but it worked. Yeah, monics. Yeah. I remember that because in the movie,

a sausage party, there was a guy who said, if I do this, how good a gel and have 72 virgin olive oil bottles waiting for me, it was like some weird reference. Did you see sausage party? Oh, 72 virgin olives. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, that reference. Did you see Sossout? Oh 72 Virgin olives. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like that's clever. Yeah, it's a terrorist though. Sossout is party. Yeah. Yeah, so it's interesting.

That's a funny movie. Yeah. And you see that. That was Seth Rogan, right? Oh, yeah. So good. So inappropriate. It's super dirty. You're like, whoa. Like it was like when I first saw South Park on TV. Yeah. How are you getting away with this? Dude, we're big mouth. Oh, it's worse than big mouth. It's worse than big mouth. Yeah, watch the whole thing definitely. I mean, better worse. Right, right. Good. Good,

good, good worse. Right. Michael Jackson bad. Good. Oh, no, I said, yeah, you can't even use that. Bad bad. Damn it. It's just bad. It's not even Michael Jackson bad. Yeah, we should have believed in when he said he was bad. Yeah, we didn't let him. He was trying to tell us. Yeah, people tell you who they are if you listen. That's so true.

But yeah, just to wrap this up, I think it's very interesting to me that it takes the mismanagement of money and not the mismanagement of lives for anyone in that organization to be pissed or skeptical that they're doing the right thing, but whatever. At least they're losing power. Yeah, hopefully this is just being another hit. Yeah, yeah, I'm glad that you're seeing that. Even if he doesn't win this, exactly. The beginning of something else, that just keeps coming.

Yeah, we're looking for the class action suit where they killed a bunch of people. Yes. All right, thank you. Thank you, guys. Thanks for the hot notes there. This week, guys, we have a ton of lawsuits filed that y'all should know about Trump sued California. The Department of Justice filed an amicus brief in the Mazar's lawsuit.

Now they're filed a lawsuit to get Don McGam's testimony. Peter Struck is suing the DOJ FBI Bill Barnes-Kris Ray, and Andrew McCabe is suing the Department of Justice and the FBI as well, and both the Struck and McCabe suits are for a wrongful termination. So let's start with Trump suing California. As you may know, Governor Gavin Newsom recently signed a law that would require all presidential candidates

to release their tax returns to appear on the primary ballot. Trump's biggest fight has been to keep his taxes and finances out of the public eye. When Mueller was appointed, for example, the first thought after, oh my god, this is the end of my presidency, I'm fucked, was to draw a red line around his finances, telling everyone that Mueller would be crossing that line if he looked into his personal and business dealings. He was so worried about his finances becoming public that he hired his former personal tax lawyer as the general counsel for the Internal Revenue Service, and he installed

a business partner that profits from Trump owned properties as the Commissioner of the Internal Revenue Service. It was so important for him to have these allies in the IRS that he prioritized the confirmation of the IRS Commissioner above the confirmation of Bill Barr. One could reasonably assume he was more worried about keeping his taxes secret than he was about the contents of the Mueller report. Then when the House Ways and Means Committee asked the IRS and the Treasury for Trump's taxes under law, Trump filed sued to block it. He filed a lawsuit to block them. And when Congressional Committee subpoenaed Trump's accounting firm, Mazar's, for his financial records, he sued to block them. And when Congressional Committee Sapina Trump's accounting firm,

Mazar's, for his financial records, he sued to block that. And it's becoming apparent that he's losing those lawsuits to him, so much so that when New York signed a new law allowing state taxes to be given to the House Ways and Means Committee, he filed suit to block that preemptively, even before the committee asked for them, which they still

haven't done. But I think that Richard Neal's getting a lot of pressure to do so. When Democrats took over the House, Trump hired a team of 17 lawyers that specialized in executive privilege and tax law to assist him in preventing his finances from going public.

He spent millions and millions of dollars to prevent us from knowing about his financial dealings. And this week, he got his pals at the Department of Justice, which is supposed to be responsible for executing the law in the United States, to file an amicus brief on his behalf in Trump's appeal trying to block Congress from getting the Mazaar's financial records. It basically says the Congress is not providing a specific enough reason to get the documents, and despite his best efforts, the law is firmly on the side of Congress and its oversight

role, as the judges in these cases have so clearly articulated in their findings in their rulings. He has not yet filed suit to block the banks from handing over their documents related to the Trump Organization and Trump family loans and deals like the Deutsche Bank and Capital One case, for example, and those institutions have started handing over their records on Trump and the Trump Organization and the Trump family to Congress and the New York State Attorney General, Tiss James. He, uh, they're responding to an April subpoena. He doesn't seem as concerned about his bank records, uh, as he is about his taxes, right? But either way, I suspect we will have his taxes and his financial records before election

season is in full swing, which might be why he has not put Pence's name on any campaign gear or why he seems to possibly be's name on any campaign gear or why he seems to possibly be grooming Ivanka to take his place. I'm not sure he imagines he'll win at all in 2020 and his efforts are now to set himself up for whatever comes next. So put some beans on that. Yeah, I wonder how to work out for him because the first time he didn't want to win either so.

He's like, I really don't want to win this time, guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely not this time. For reals, my taxes are gonna come out of money. I'm gonna lose anyway. Everyone's gonna know what piece of shit I am. Yeah, unless that statute of limitation things is on his mind, like, he, I guess, if he's a second term, he's good,

but if he doesn't then. Yeah, I can like, run from the law more than this. Yeah, he might be really torn. But we might have a tolling case on our hands. Oh, that's right. Because tolling, and we talked about, talked to Renato Mariotti about this, although he thinks it's probably a slim chance,

it's actually never been litigated. Meaning, we've never had a president try to win a second term to prevent, to stop the clock, to continue the clock ticking on the statute of limitations. So that's by the time he gets out, because statute of limitations on federal crimes is five years, in most cases. And if he stops crime and he's, you know, on January 20th, 2020, by January

20th, 2025, the statute of limitations will expire on most federal crimes. So, but there is a thing called tolling where if you were incapable of being charged for some reason, then that clock on the statute of limitations stops, and it's called tolling the clock on the statute of limitations. And it would seem like being president would be reason to toll a statute of limitation because you can't be indicted as a sitting president.

But the problem is, is that's not a statute that says that you can't be indicted as a sitting president. It's an office of legal counsel memo from the Department of Justice. Yes, so don't listen to it anyways then. Right, and that's why I'm Tis James, Tis James. But yeah, that's the whole thing, right? Is that it would need to be a statute,

I think, that prevented you from being charged or indicted. So it's not, it's a memo. Yeah, like how do you use a memo to not charge them, but you can't a memo. Yeah, like how, the TPS report. How can you use a memo to not charge them, but you can't use the memo to, you know, charge them later. That's crazy. I'm sure that's what, that's an argument that will come up in court

if it gets limited. That would be the fight I would use. And be like, look, if it prevented me from charging the president with 10 counts of obstruction of justice, then it is good enough to toll indictment charges for the purpose of stopping the statute of limitations clock. That would be my argument.

It would likely go to the Supreme Court. It's never been litigated if they even try to do that in the first place, and in order for that to even become a question Trump would need to get reelected. But we're not going to let that happen, right? No. So many firsts in this administration, Well, I'm president, presidential stuff. None of them good. Not like a first black president, kind of.

No, that was, yeah, different, different. Next lawsuit, NADLAR, in the House Judiciary Committee, is filed suit to compel Don McGahn's testimony, probably the single most important witness in the Mueller case against Trump for obstruction of justice. In this lawsuit, as within the suit they filed a couple weeks ago, to get the grand jury materials for the Mueller probe, Nadler, with the go ahead from Nancy Pelosi, has fully invoked Article I impeachment powers, saying the committee needs the testimony and grand jury material

is part of their investigation into whether or not they will draft articles of impeachment against the President of the United States. This is a clear signal that impeachment inquiries have begun, but it's different than we're used to, right? Not us personally, but as a country. In the past, while the Constitution does not say what is necessary to open an impeachment

inquiry, there's no rules about it, they have had the norm is they would have a full house vote to pass a resolution to begin impeachment. They have not done so at this time as they did with Nixon and Clinton. But remember remember a couple months ago the House passed a resolution for going a full house vote to file suit without having to take the full house vote. That's right. Leaving the decision to the committee. And that's what they've said they've done.

That's what Nadler has said he's done. He said it's up to me. It's up to my committee. We are investigating for impeachment. That's what Swalwell has said. And if they're going to impeach Trump, that vote would likely come by the end of the year. So put some beans on it. Wow. Exciting stuff. Christmas present, maybe. Yeah.

I say, I say it's okay now to pop your bottle of champagne and go ahead and say we're impeaching the president. Yeah. Even though we haven't filed articles, the impeachment investigation is open. But that's just gonna be in the house, right? And then as far as like that actually doing anything, it most likely won't, but that's put pressure

on people to vote, is that what we should expect by the, because you can't remove him, right, without the Senate. So we're definitely most likely gonna impeach him, but we don't know if we're gonna drop articles. We're definitely, we're definitely doing an impeachment investigation right now. Got it. By the end of the year, they'll have a vote to decide if they're going to drop articles of impeachment, which is an indictment. Okay. I see. Okay. It makes the house a grand jury,

it makes the impeachment articles an indictment. Then it goes to trial, which is the Senate. Right. Okay. So they've taken the judiciary responsibility of a regular indictment charge trial conviction and sentence out of the judicial branch put it into the congressional branch because congressional the congressional branch has the exclusive article one powers of impeaching a president. So you got the house as a grand jury they drop articles which are indictments then they send it over to the senate where the trial is held and they decide whether or not they're going to convict them and remove him. Okay, so let's say we impeach or we vote for the articles by the end of the year.

Then going into 2020, people can vote for the Senate to be, I guess, more blue, so that the timelines like link up at all. Okay, you need 67 votes in the Senate. That's why we had the Romney 20. Yeah, so we really, what can we do with a more blue Senate? That's not you know at 60 yet. You can confirm judges Okay, if they want you can confirm Supreme Court judges Damn, it's not a lot wiggle room. So all they can do is just send a message that we want him removed Yeah, you can impeach him you could drop charges on the president and basically the idea for me at least is you drop the charges You indict him you have mountains of evidence you send it to the senate if the senate refuses to even hear the trial or

refuses to convict and remove then you run against them in 2020 on that right which okay that will line up and then if it works we'll have another blue wave that hopefully will affect the senate and then we still won't have 67 votes but but by the new president yeah we should have a president. Yeah, we should have a new president. If we don't have a new president, are we kind of back to square one? Is it? Yeah, then we have to start talking about the tolling. And if we're going to charge him when he gets out of office

and. Lots to consider. And all that good stuff. Yeah. So definitely, well, Blinomatter, who, obviously, we pre-shell the time, but just in case that it's not enough, we should be thinking about the tolling alley. Well, the main thing we should be thinking about is if he does win, we need to flip the Senate 51, because if he is president and a Supreme Court Justice,

Dioza retires, he will get to a point that Supreme Court Justice, and we will need 51 votes in the Senate to block it. And right now, we're at nine justices, right? And how many conservatives? I know he had two appointments. I think it's five to four. So, ooh, and that's five, like, liberal versus conservative. There's four and four and one guy in the middle who can be shamed. But this will definitely, like if he gets another,

just one more. Then it's a full five four court. And he'll win every Supreme Court decision He wants my God including overturning Roe v Wade including anything against guns including upholding citizens united Uh, and probably even more things that we don't want to think about wrecking labor laws Yeah, anything and so that is that is the number one reason Oh, to flip the city. He may go try to stay for more than two terms. If he gets another reason to flip the set. He'll try to stay for more than two terms. If he gets another thing, you don't think so. Some people are afraid.

They're just like, you don't be because you have the FBI, you have the secret service, you have the Department of Justice, you have, yeah, okay, and you have guns. Yeah. Well, a lot of trouble. So many, here's the thing. I'm very afraid of what'll happen if things go our way and his base doesn't let up. Like, they will probably only get more route up. That's probably going to happen even if we vote them out. Right, yeah. So I guess that's something I don't think enough about. Because when Obama got elected, we were like, yeah, that's great.

But we didn't realize the tea party or I didn't realize the party was like getting even more angry and like really organized. So if we think that things are popping off now with white supremacists and all that, I just don't want to not consider the, I guess, ripple effect, right? Yeah, and that's something we've been saying for a long time. You can get rid of Trump, but you can't get rid of his supporters. So, yeah, yeah. So, keep that in mind, but that's no reason not to do something.

That's so true. Yeah. It's just going to be an interesting time. And guys, finally, this week, we have a pair of lawsuits from Peter Struck and Andrew McBabe. And the discovery in these cases are what's going to be explosive. They're both suing for wrongful terminations, saying based on what's in the Mueller report and Trump's public statements, they were fired for nothing other than the fact that they

would not commit loyalty to this one man. And they had worked on the investigation of the president. Struck says that the Department of Justice has no right to release his, had no right to release his text messages to the public, violating the Privacy Act. And rather they should have handed that information over to Congress if they thought it was, but something that should have been investigated. He then says the Department of Justice deprived him of due process to challenge his own firing. One of the things the suit seeks to determine is who at the Department of Justice authorized

the release of the text messages, the struck page text messages, thereby violating his first amendment rights. McCabe on the other hand is contesting he was not lawfully fired at all, and he's asking to be reinstated so he can receive his full pension. If you remember, he was fired the night before he would have been eligible for a full retirement. Apparently, that's what Trump wants you to think, but he wasn't. According to the lawsuit, he was fired at 10 pm on Friday, March 16th. However, his tour of duty ended at 5 pm that day, as did his time in the FBI. And according to the lawsuit, he was fired at 10pm on Friday, March 16th. However, his tour of duty ended at 5pm that day, as did his time in the FBI. And according to the FBI, he was already fully vested by the time sessions tweeted out

that he was fired. Secondly, even if that wasn't the case, the FBI rules say that while the Attorney General or President can fire certain officers in the FBI like the deputy director or the acting director, only the FBI director can fire everyone else. And since before he was fired, McCabe was removed as deputy director of the FBI, only Chris Ray could have fired him. Therefore his firing was improper and his due is full pension. Both struck and McCabe have very, very strong cases and I'd put beans on the DOJ settling

with them before discovery because I don't think they want this shit to come out of the public, which is a bummer because I really like to know who at the DOJ released this truck in page text But maybe that case will go to discovery and McCabes will settle I don't know but keep an eye out for other suits to follow guys Maybe Lisa page will file suit and the Komi 5 Rabicki Bodich Bente Yates Gattis James Baker These guys might file lawsuits for wrongful termination and demotion as well. Under the same reasons. As they should. Yeah, I agree too. Guys, we'll be right back. Hey guys, A.G. here to tell you about my new favorite shoes, Rothies. Rothies are everyday flats that look good. They feel good. They're sustainable. They pack

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Remembering to note that state crimes are not part of the ball. This is Tish James, New York state attorney general. Weislerberg's immunity does not apply to New York state unless she offers a separate immunity. And the Department of Justice, OLC, opinion that says you can't indict a sitting president does not apply to state attorneys general either. So here we go to James James James. Alright guys let's play the fantasy indictment league.

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I'm gonna be a candidate. I'm gonna be a candidate. I'm gonna be a candidate. Alright so this week Jordan you get to go first. I am second Jolise. So you are third? So Jordan Okay, just lay max well. Oh shit Nice, nice. Just laying I I'm gonna go with the Trump org. Good. I'll pick Brittany Kaiser, of course. Brittany.

Der Schuitz. Alan. What a dick. I know. I'm gonna go with Kalamari. Okay. One of the Trump org executives. Yeah, yeah. Squid, poop. Okay. One of the Trump work executives. Yeah, squid pro. I will do the superseding Greg Craig. Oh nice. Nice. Good call. I would do Tom Barric. You're

dude, you're dude forever. I'm gonna go with Weiselberg. Weiselberg. Weiselberg. Yeah, by Tis James Weiselberg. Oh, yes, it's me. I'll pick someone named Igor. Igor. Kind of a rando, kind of. Rando Russian.

I'm going to go with someone, anyone named Igor. Which means if you haven't heard, if you say Igor and it's a it's a rando Russian you get a point But if his name is Igor you get an additional point. Yes, I'm gonna go with George Nader nice. I skipped you Jordan. Yeah, that's okay. I wasn't gonna pick Nader. Okay Trim binog girl. Okay I'll take Alexander Nick's. Nick's? All right, and we all get one more, Jordan.

All right, let's do... Pecker. Pecker. It's a gift selected, Pecker. Along those same lines, I'll do Dylan Howard. Okay, and no one's picked AMI, all right? Nope, I will take it. Oh, yours.

All right, guys, that's how we play the fantasy indictment league. Yes. All right, earlier, guys, I sat down with counter-terrorism expert former advisor to the Obama administration, Sam Vinaigrad. Let's check out that interview. Joining us today for the interview is CNN National Security Analyst and former senior advisor to the National Security Advisor in the Obama administration. Please welcome for the first time on Mueller, she wrote, Sam Vinaigrad. Sam, welcome to Mueller, she wrote. Thanks so great to be here quite a week, huh?

It has been a pretty incredible week and just, you know, getting up today with all the Epstein news and the release of his documents yesterday and now we've got the North Korean missile set. Like there's just, it never ends. I know. There's no pause button, unfortunately. No, it is a fire hose of news as we like to call it. So I wanted to talk to you a little bit because you're counterintelligence, counterterrorism

expert. And I wanted to talk to you a little bit about the more recent shakeups in the leadership at the Department of Homeland Security a couple weeks ago. And I know they replaced their chief of Customs and Border Protection. And of course, we had Kirsten Neilson leave. And then we had the Maccalling and stuff. So can you talk a little bit about what this kind of lack of

leadership or governance at the Department of Homeland Security could mean? Most definitely. I kind of come at this from a position of why are these people leaving? And then what the impact is of this kind of power vacuum at such a critical on department and DHS isn't the only one. First, let's think about why these people are leaving. You look at Nielsen, you look at the CBP commissioner and potentially others. are leaving. You look at Nielsen, you look at the CBP commissioner and potentially others. And you look at someone like Nielsen, who ostensibly resigned under pressure

from President Trump because she either could not or would not implement his highly politicized agenda. Nielsen was the public face of a lot of highly disturbing and potentially illegal policies that the president was trying to implement. You look at something like the zero tolerance policy, kids and cages, the border wall, and Nielsen was seemingly willing to do a lot of the president's bidding when it came to those kinds of policies, but wasn't successful from the president's perspective, at least in implementing others. And she resigned under pressure. This recent resignation of the CBP commissioners being reported, you know,

really after more highly horrific immigration policies were announced by the president. And obviously we've just seen an ice rate occur in Mississippi with pictures of children separated from their parents with nowhere to go. And you have this kind of cascading array of highly disturbing policies and images while at the same time, you know, we are still trying to make sense of the Alpazo shooting, which was implemented reportedly by domestic white

nationalist terrorist. And we're hearing reporting of the CNN exclusive, that DHS was rebuffed by the White House when they asked to reprioritize white supremacy as a threat. So you kind of have the situation where you have officials that may really be questioning whether they are complicit in actions that are unconstitutional, not to mention, unconstitutional, and don't protect Americans, don't allow them to fulfill their responsibilities. While the president seems to be picking people for jobs that don't have experience, experience should be a resume pattern for these high level positions, but picking people that are inexperienced, but perhaps willing to do his bidding, which is inimical with the roles and responsibilities of these departments and agencies. So that's why we're seeing

this array of resignations. And why, you know, we really have you look at something like DHS, they have no confirmed deputy secretary and acting chief of staff acting under secretary for management acting CFO, I mean, I could keep going, but you have a power vacuum of President Trump is trying to circumvent the law, and they'd cause themselves a law in order to president. And that really signals globally that all these people are just placeholders. We know that President Trump is really comfortable getting rid of people, and that he doesn't empower his fully confirmed cabinet secretaries and officials. When you have all these acting officials in place,

they're kind of here today, gone tomorrow. It's much easier to get rid of them, and it's probably signaling globally that, you know, spending time with these guys just isn't really worth it. Just go straight to President Trump or Ivanka or Jared, because those are the real power centers. And so it really brings us to a situation from national security perspective where people that are willing to speak their mind are Resigning being fired or in the case of the intelligence community being investigated by a 20 general bar when it comes to Russia and you just have to wonder Like who's aminding the ship here? Who's making the decisions? What is that based on and are we actually

Suffering from brain drain that is hindering the policy making process? I would argue yes and I know we're going to talk about the intelligence community but this massive brain drain and placeholder positions in the administration are leaving us a lot more exposed. Yeah definitely and it kind of reminds me of the way that the Kremlin operates with all of their, you know, temporary sort of deputy prime ministers that don't really serve full terms and are kind of movable whenever, you know, whenever Putin wants to kind of get rid of them. So I just thought that that was like kind of a stunning coincidence with all of our acting, you know, chiefs and secretaries and you're right, you know,

about the brain drain for sure. And speaking of white national terrorism, Ross Story reported Friday that the Department of Justice actually blocked reports showing that white supremacists were responsible for all race-based domestic terrorism incidents in 2018. Do you think that might have also had something to do with like MaccLinan's issues

considering Trump has substantially reduced or even eliminated funding and programs that combat white supremacist extremism? Well, I have not seen the BuzzFeed reporting. I think that FBI director Ray has been very public about what he called the pervasive threat posed by white supremacy. He testified that, and DOJ actually later clarified this on the record, but that white supremacy accounts for the majority of race-based domestic terrorism. So I think that FBI and the DOJ have been very public about the threat, the white supremacy poses domestically. And internationally, the director of national intelligence put in the World

Wide Threat Assessment, which is the coordinated assessment of all 17 component parts of the intelligence community, that ultrownationalism and ethnomes supremacy posed an increasing threat to the United States. So the Intel law enforcement community could not be clearer about the threat posed by white supremacy. The issue is policymakers have to take that intelligence and do something with it, right? So if the threat is surging, the logical response to a terrorist threat would be to devote more resources to it. What we've seen is a white house, do the opposite.

You know, it's interesting. I joined the US government after 9-11 because I wanted to fight terrorists and engage in counterterrorism work, we had an intelligence failure that led to 9-11. We didn't know about the threat. We have a situation now where publicly even intelligence professionals are screaming from the rooftops about the threat posed by white supremacy. And the White House is rebuffing them. Instead of putting more resources in the FBI, in DHS, and in the Intel law enforcement community, there's reporting that the administration is doing exactly the opposite. And so you just have to ask yourself why

from a policy perspective. And the answer is either President Trump doesn't believe that the threat is real, which is ridiculous in light of El Paso and all of the other white supremacist attacks that we've had, or he in some way agrees with their ideology or doesn't want to stop it for any other number of reasons. So I don't doubt that the FBI, DOJ, and DHS, and again, that the DNI more broadly with respect to the threat posed internationally,

will continue to flag the threat. The issue is that they're meeting a dead end when it comes to getting resources to address it. Yeah, definitely. And you mentioned briefly there, and I kind of want to touch on this. The 17 intelligence agencies and post 9-11 coordination and communication between these agencies. Can you just really quick? We recently lost the director of national intelligence Dan Cotes and the deputy director Sue Gordon. Yeah, can you explain what the office of the DNI was for and and how this could additionally leave us vulnerable? Definitely, you know, it's really interesting because I worked with the DNI. They were literally kind of like the first thing I interacted with every morning when I was a senior advisor to the National Security Advisor because they were responsible for compiling

and delivering the presidential daily briefing. Their job is lead intelligence integration and ensure that the intelligence community, those 17 component parts are coordinated that has to do with budgets that has to do with resource allocation that has to do with intelligence analysis, as well as priorities. So as you look across the 17 component parts

and people are more familiar with the CIA and NSA, but then you have institutions like the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, which is where Sue Gordon, the recently departed number two at the DNI, it spent a large part of her career. The DNI was born out of 9-11 and the Terrorism Prevention Act because there was a sense that there were seeds of intelligence, collection, and reporting that

should have raised red flags with respect to the 9-11 attack, what Al Qaeda was planning, how they were operating. And that because there was not this one entity looking out across the intelligence community, that was missed. And the objective was to ensure that that never happened again. And so the intelligence community in terms of intelligence collection, and I'll come back to analysis in a second, has different capabilities. So you have the NSA, which focuses on signals intelligence, you have the CIA which focuses on human intelligence, you have the defense intelligence agency which does a lot of work looking at different military intelligence around the world and supporting the Department of Defense.

You have other component parts to look at geospatial intelligence, like I mentioned the National Geospatial Agency, you have the National Founder Terrorism Center, which is focused specifically on terrorist threats. And so all of these things come together in the office of the director of National Intelligence. So someone like Sue Gordon, who is the number two, in her current role, which is ending as of next week,

she would have been responsible for kind of all of the above, right? Like she would have been looking out across the intelligence community, all the 17 component parts, what they were doing, whether they were focused on the right things, whether she needed to, the intelligence community needed to ask for more resources

to focus on a specific issue. What is there a gap in North Korea collection? Do we really know what's happening in Syria right now with Bashar al-Assad? Do we have enough resources, signals, intelligence on, you know, naming your, your despotic leader that we need to collect more on? She kind of saw it all, so to speak, which is why she would have made, not to mention her decades of experience, an ideal acting director of national intelligence. The learning her for her, if she had assumed that role, would have been a lot less steep. And that's kind of the thinking behind the, the, the law with respect to the succession

at these agencies, the vacancies reform act, she should have been named acting director. And again, not to mention her decades of experience. Instead, the guy that was named, and he was able to be named because she was forced out director of the National Counterterrorism Center, very experienced guy, but he's going to have a much steeper learning curve coming into this, this acting role than to Gordon, and what a bad. Yeah, I, I, I was wondering about that myself as well, because while he, while this new guy is, you know, counterterrorism guy, he just, he doesn't have the depth of experience, I think, that suit Gordon did in, in counterintelligence as well, but it is definitely a higher learning

curve. It just seems odd across the agencies that we're seeing sort of this just removal of everyone with any experience. And so it's kind of scary. I'm going to call it gutting. Yeah, gutting. And also just to go back to the Department of Homeland Security for a minute, they're not just responsible for immigration and border policy, but election and cyber assessment, which indicated with

high confidence and I think moderate confidence at the NSA that it was indeed to hurt Hillary and help Trump. But we learned that the acting DHS secretary, McAleen, had contemplated resigning over the conflicts with the Trump administration and does this leave us more vulnerable to election interference, which we know is continuing per Mueller's testimony, the intelligence community assessment, the Senate intelligence community's assessment, and like even Christopher Rae's testimony. Well, we're more vulnerable for several reasons,

starting with the fact that the president has said publicly, God knows what he said privately to Vladimir Putin, that he would accept foreign support during the election cycle. And not to mention the fact that President Shukam kind of conducts what we would have assumed would have been Russian information warfare from his Twitter feed. I mean, at this point, Russian information warriors who are

focused on election interference kind of just have to retweet POTUS, right? Like he's a huge cost saving for Putin in that respect. So that's kind of number one. Number two on the election security front. I'm going to come back to kind of the role of intelligence as an input to policymaking from an executive branch perspective. the director of the FBI and others have been on record saying that the threat has actually become more complex since 2016. The Mueller report, as you just mentioned, and the National Russia, Russia, Iran, and China have been named as attacking us in these elections. And so at this point, our adversaries have had years to up their game in terms of election interference, whether that relates to our voting infrastructure or the information space. And President Trump refuses to take the threat seriously. So what resources has he allocated to just keep up with the threat is kind of question number one.

And then two, he's made the threat more complex by saying he'd take foreign dirt, which adds to the counterintelligence burden, by the way, of the FBI rather than mitigating it. And then we have Congress. I mean, you have to just take a step back and ask why Mitch McConnell and the Republicans are blocking election security legislation. And I don't say that from a political perspective.

I say that from a policy perspective. It is clear that Mitch McConnell has a big issue with kind of federal versus state authorities when it comes to election security. But at this point, he's kind of knowingly letting states remain vulnerable, and voting infrastructure remain vulnerable because they're still in the blank. States still have paper ballot systems. We don't have enough integration between state and federal authorities, just with respect to intelligent sharing.

So we're going into this 2020 election cycle, highly vulnerable, while the president is adding to those vulnerabilities every second. And I think that we have officials in high-level positions that are publicly talking about the threats. Even if President Trump doesn't want to read the classified briefings, he just has to turn on the television, which we know he likes to do, to understand the election security threats. So he may want to wear earmuffs and blindfolds because he thinks that Putin will help him

get elected again, even if he refuses to admit the Putin's at the last time. And the threat is metastasized and is involving more countries now. Yeah, totally. And then of course, we have McConnell on one hand saying it is the state's responsibility. It shouldn't be federal for them to protect their elections. But with his other hand, he's blocking additional funding for the states to, you know, shore up their election security. So it's you have to kind of watch what they do and not what they say, you know. Yeah, actually, yeah, and I just that one,

there's really no logical explanation for why every policy maker shouldn't want to do more to secure our elections. Unless in some way, whatever our adversaries are doing helps them. There's no other logical explanation from this. And the intelligence couldn't be clear. We know what they did in 2016.

We know that they've up their game since then. We also know that Russia infiltrated voting systems in 2016 and worked around and did reconnaissance, rather than bringing them all down and having some massive cybersecurity incident. So the warning signs have been there for years and we haven't done enough to protect against it. The writing is unfortunately on the wall

with respect to this threat, just like it is, I hate to say it, but with respect to white supremacy, if we don't devote resources to a threat, and at the same time, the president, whether it is rhetoric or his lack of response, incites those threats. We're just guaranteeing that they're going to grow stronger. Yeah, and when we know through testimony that Mueller did not investigate, whether the vote counts were hacked themselves, and so that's probably part of a different investigation

that we just don't have access to at this point. So we'll just have to see. But Sam, thank you for joining us today. Everyone, you can follow her on Twitter at Sam underscore of Integrad or catch her on CNN. Sam, thanks for being on Mola Shiroot. Thanks so much. All right, guys, that is our show.

Thank you so much to Sam for Integrad for coming on. I really appreciate her expertise and her point of view. She's really just a great person and super knowledgeable about all that stuff. And it was a pleasure to be able to talk to her. So does anyone have any final thoughts? It's my mom's birthday today. Oh, happy birthday.

Happy birthday, Madhya. Yeah, happy birthday, mom. Also, yeah, you can adopt a voter. It's totally unrelated to my mom's birthday. But for the North Carolina thing, I think it's still, you still have time to like get involved if you want. It's apparently it's a really big election. It's one of the ones that Republicans dropped,

like $4 million on the last minute. And then the person that's running that's a Democrat has to run again next year for 2020. It's a really special election. So yeah, if you want to get involved with that, I think it's a swing left thing. So you can just go to the website and yeah, it's all laid out.

You can literally- Yeah, Google North Carolina adoptive voter swing last. Totally, yeah. And see what pops up. I think it'll take you right there. Absolutely. Dude, that's so great. And thanks for doing that show.

That's so cool. Oh, for sure. So glad I got to do it, yeah. Yeah, that's awesome. Adoptive voter. So is that just like donating basically? Not exactly. It doesn't apply that, but what you do is you would download like a list of people's like, I guess, homes that you would send letters to. So they're already registered voters. They're

just people that maybe are not planning on voting for some reason and you're reaching out to them to let them know why you think they should. So yeah, one of those like, I guess, metaphorical adoption. Like a penpal. Yeah. Order penpal thing. That's an highlight. Hey, my name is this and this and this is why it's important to me. Please vote. Yeah, just a reminder. Yeah, that's very cool. This week's collection. Yeah. Be nice. Guys, all right, that's our show. So stay tuned for tomorrow morning. We have

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