Jack - Jeffrey Epstein Arrested (feat. Glenn Kirschner)

Episode Date: July 8, 2019

S3E27 - Joining us this week is legal analyst and former federal prosecutor Glenn Kirschner! We also give updates on the Malaysian 1MDB scandal, Putin's strategy of flooding counties with refugees, Jeffrey Epstein's sex trafficking ring, and more! Enjoy! 

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the Annemburg School of Community Asian added this event for us. They really did on the schedule. Yeah, they reached out to us and they were like we want to invite you in special guests to come view the Mueller testimony. It's amazing. Add an Ivy League school at the Annemburg School of Communications. I'm hoping to get an honorary doctorate when I mean by now I think it's appropriate. I think double doctor. That's all right. Just watch something on campus and I should just ask. Yeah. When I get there. Just be like, hey, um, who do I talk to you about? Nice room, sweet donuts. Where's my doctor?

There you go. Because, you know, I've got to read. Double doctor. That'd be cool, double D. For a double dose of pimpness, it would be super awesome. Joining us later for the interview today, 30-year prosecutor for the DC US Attorney's Office, who worked closely with Mueller.

Like, he worked with him on homicide. That's incredible. So you remember in the threat in the book, Andy McCabe's the threat where somebody came up to Mueller and was like, I wish we could do this. And he's like, well, I wish I was, you know, Chase and murderers in homicide. But we can't have what we want.

He did it with him. He worked, yeah, with him. I'm a homicide. Mueller's better days. Yeah. His, the good old days. The salad days. days when he's like I don't want to testify god damn it I want to be a murdering Investigator exactly not he's not a murder. No. No. He's a good guy. I mean yeah, he's not gonna murder and invest right

We're militia and I'm murder she wrote so it's different. He's a good guy I love murder she meets you So anyway, he's gonna go and Kershner that's who's gonna be with us. Yeah, I just... I love murder she rap. Me too. So anyway, he's gonna go, Glenn Kirschner, that's who's gonna be with us. Yeah, I've seen him all over MSNBC. Yeah, he's fantastic. And he's good biceps. Yeah, he's gonna give us an insight into his biceps.

No, he's gonna give us an insight into what questions Mueller can answer. Like, because we've talked to David Prius before, who briefed Mueller on a daily basis as a CIA person. Yeah. And he knew Mueller exactly and he called it. He's like, Mueller's not going to do anything crazy, chill out. And now we've talked to Glenn Kirschner.

He's going to tell us what we can expect from his testimony. I love that. Which is pretty much what we figured. But still get to hear it from him. Yeah. So stick around for the interview. And July 22nd, guys, we're launching our daily morning news podcast called the Daily Beans. So follow us

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It's time to stay! It's time for me to say I'm sorry! Oh! I made a mistake! Alright guys, so it turns out I was correct. Thank you. When I used modus operandi. Yes. It's not modus operandi when referring to a singular. It's just modus operandi. So thank you for correcting the correction.

And do I really need to look up everything people? No, I'm just taking your word for it. Exactly. And this is proof. Yes, yes. At one point during our daily updates for patrons, I mentioned that it would be hilarious if Biden picked Obama as his vice presidential candidate, but he cannot. The 12th Amendment requires that Veebs be eligible for the presidency. And since the 22nd Amendment limits the president to two terms, Obama would

not be eligible to be the vice president because he wasn't born here. Because he was born in Kenya. Exactly. And no, because he's been president twice already. Yes, yes. If he's not eligible for president, he can't be the VP. That's a bummer. Lame.

I know. Because I mean, look at all the things VP's do. What up, pins? Uh, yeah, I just think to Dan Quail. I just think back to, can't spell potato guy. I did it. Yeah. You guys know what I'm talking about. Yes, I might think to Dan Quail. I just think back to, can't spell potato guy. I dig it. Yeah. You guys know what I'm talking about.

Yes, I might be like, what? All my people over 40. What? There you go. Duncan Hunter's wife is named Margaret, not Megan. Yeah. Okay, I'm sorry, but I didn't want to misname her. Cool.

You know what? For once, she doesn't matter. I incorrectly referred to Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador as the southern triangle, but it's the northern triangle. And I can see how you got there, because I was looking up the southern triangle and it didn't exist. I guess it's the northern triangle for some reason. It's pretty geocentric of me, because I'm basing its location on where I am.

Oh, you're right. That's how I was thinking to like the world revolves around San Diego. The world revolves around my ass. So I apologize for that. It's the Northern triangle. But is there a Southern triangle? Because I guess I looked it up and that nothing came up. So I guess it's just the Northern triangle for some reason.

There's no opposite. There's a lame song called the Southern Cross, but it's old. And this is South America. So it really threw me off there. But you're right. Right. And South America.

It's South America. Southern China. No, it's not the remuda triangle. It's the Northern. Very different. But yeah, Trump has pulled aid from there, probably causing refugees to flee North. And you're going to talk about that later, not note. Oh, yeah.

Very cool perception you had on Friday. Thank you. To grab that. I had said I thought that no president had to fight a Supreme Court ruling incorrect. Andrew Jackson, Trump's favorite president, who's portrait hung behind him as he referred to Elizabeth Warren as Pocahontas to some code talkers. That is so gross on so many levels. Yeah, well he ordered the Cherokee

forcibly removed from their land in Georgia after the Supreme Court ruled the government could not force them off their land. Yeah, so nice Pocahontas dig, bro. Cool deal, bro. Totally. No wonder your Trump's favorite. Why is it whenever they defy a Supreme Court order as It's for racist reasons. Like this is the pattern here.

Yeah, so far. Yeah, two and then both racist. And it was not flowers that sued Bill Clinton. Setting precedent that a president can be sued. It was polygons. Oh, shut out. My bad. I forgot my 90s trivia. Yeah, yeah. Give it credit. I lived through that too, but I was also in college, so give me a break. With a blur.

Yeah, I feel you. And in yesterday's daily update, I talked about Russian exports in relation to their interference in Libyan elections. And we'll get into details later, but aside from oil, aluminum, and steel, Russia is also trying to become the leader in agriculture. Yes, and I will get into that as well. That's going to be great. A really important story, specifically when it comes to what two Russians were arrested

in Libya for, fascinating. So thank you all so much for your corrections. If we make a mistake, just head to mullershirope.com, click contact, select corrections, and build us a shit sandwich. We'll get it right eventually. Alright guys, it's time for the news, so let's jump in with just the facts. Alright, as we all know, Mueller will testify before the House Intelligence and Judiciary Committees on July 17th.

And while Dems are preparing their questions, fuck boys like Jim Nazeum Jordan, who is Jim Jordan, Dev is Jim Jordan. Devon Nunes, Matt Gates and King Idiot, Louis Gommert are planning to press Mueller on their tired BS talking points about the oranges of the investigation. That's origins. Right. Louis Gommert said this week that Mueller has done some irreparable damage to some things and he's got to answer for them. A reputable damage to some things. he's got to answer for them a rep or reputable damage to some things. Oh yeah stuff like the legitimacy of Trump's presidency. Just some things. Yeah, no we do.

Yes. He also said of Mueller's work product, the Mueller report, all 448 pages, which Trump is called the Bible and publicly praised for exonerating him. Louis Gormert called it is called the Bible and it's publicly praised for exonerating him. Louis Gormart called it, well, he said that it, quote, reinforced the anal opening that I believe Mueller to be. Really painted picture. Anal opening sounds like parents trying to use the word asshole in front of a toddler. Oh, I see that.

Like, they spelled it out like, A-M-A-L-A-L. Don't talk about the anal opening. Because that's better. Yeah. Most a**s are openings already, Like they spelled it out like, A-N-A-L-A-L-A-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L asshole. Most of these douche nozzles have supported Mueller in the past who is a decorated war hero, right? Lifelong Republican, conservative cop, you know, blue life men. Yeah, it's all glass of water. It's all the rest of the man. Yeah. But it's fools like this that likely prevent justice officials like Mueller from wanting to testify to Congress in the first place. But if I had to put my money on anyone,

I'll take Mueller. Oh, for sure. Yeah, he's definitely like Trump's match. And it's even insulting to say that because Trump is not really on his level, but that's the guy like you said that has the most influence to match Trump's influence. Right. Like that's like that's putting me next to a dog turd and saying, I think the dog turd's met its man. Exactly. Yeah, I get it. Yeah. Thanks. But for realss like they all supported Mueller and they I mean Mueller was Given an additional two years as director of the FBI by congressional confirmation a hundred to nothing totally They were a team Mueller one time, you know like a while ago

They were they were like yeah, and Lindsey Graham's like great cool You couldn't have picked a finer fella to do it even after the report came out again Trump was like one time, you know, like a while ago. They were. They were like, yeah. And Lindsey Graham's like, great, cool. You couldn't have picked a finer fellow to do it. Even after the report came out, again, Trump was like, yeah, exonerated, you know, Mueller did it, you know, but like, he didn't read it. So obviously he's wrong, but he keeps going back and forth. Like, and it's going to backfire on him when it's just to testify. It's just so great that for so long, they've been

saying this 18 angry Democrats and a deep state and their you know Creeps on a mission, etc. And now they actually have to face him With his mouth like when you talk shit about someone and they like just walk up. Yeah, yeah, you can't sit with us Exactly, it's gonna be really awesome. I'm looking for that's like my favorite part of this whole thing Yes, getting the truth out to millions of people. Sure. Sure. But watching the Republicans try to take down Mueller. Oh, that's going to be good. Especially these fuck boy. It's just going to be so hilarious to me. I'm just going to be like,

oh, dude. Dude, like nice try. They got trampled by Joyce Vance and John Dean with Barbara Quaid. They don't stand a chance with Mueller. I really betting on that and even if Mueller is like chill and not he doesn't have to scream or anything just the words He chooses are just so good like I know what if he just looks at him is that I'm not answering You're stupid exactly even that will make them look stupid like just the way that he speaks He's like look at my look at my jaw. Do I look does this jaw look like it's gonna answer your dumbass question? Each it and die. Yeah, I really excited. Robert De Niro, come sit in behind me.

Could you answer this? Just say, right? Just to help him answer the dumb question. Absolutely, handle my lightweight. Yeah. Also this week, Stephen Cawke has been barred from the banking industry in a Cawke block move, pending a resolution to his indictment

on bribery charges for lending Manifort $16 million in exchange for a job as Secretary of the Army. Not even worth it. During the Trump campaign. So if you recall, cock work for this tiny bank, cock. In Chicago, that specialized in lending to veterans, but cock approved a huge loan for Manafort who's not a veteran at all. And that loan was nearly a quarter of the bank's annual revenue. People were like, are you sure? All in exchange, and he sent him a list of jobs.

He really wanted to be secretary of the army. Right. Really wanted to be secretary of the army. And there was some reason for that. Jordan brought it up, but I can't. Well, he's an army veteran. Oh, there we go. OK.

But then he also sent him like, oh, and if I have to be an ambassador, here's the countries I would be an ambassador for. You listen to them all. Singapore was on the end of the list. It was just a funny thing. Yeah, I really weird. And the reason I bring up Singapore is because Singapore was at the Mayflower meeting.

Oh, that might be part of it. KT and Farlin ended up who got fired from being the deputy national security invited a Flynn, ended up being the... The Singaporean ambassador. There's something about. Yeah, Singaporean. I mean, I don't know for sure, but it sounds like okay cool. We got a head nod from Connor in the studio. Nice. Nice. Shut up.

Wales, vagina. Well, sunshine. So anyway, we learned a lot of this from Discovery when his wife filed for divorce. This is so great. Yeah, remember that. She filed for divorce and like asked for all these bank documents and we're like, oh shit, we're gonna find everything

about this cockfella. Yep. From his wife. It always happens like that, like Hofler, his daughter sold them out, which is rightfully so. Hofler, Hofler. Hofeller. So at the time, Manifort was working for Trump for free

and his Ukraine money train had dried up to do. And he still owed Darapaska like $19 dollars from that telecom deal gone bad he'd already been sued twice by him and he was attempting to pay darapaska back make whole by giving him internal polling data make the anal opening not an anal opening this is a different kind of a call could call back uh... by giving him internal polling data

uh... via rick gates he He said Rick Gates make it so. Right. Engage my tea. And then Cork never got a job with the Trump administration. Exactly. They totally screwed him on that. So it was just a squid pro. There was no crow. And now he's facing prison time. Is a divorce aid barred from the banking industry proving yet again, everything Trump touches died. Yeah. Yeah, do not try to get a job with a Trump. Right, he did a good job all these decades of making himself look like he was like this, you know, golden figure that just made everything

like make so much money and now it's all. And he might have been until the day he wanted to become secretary of the army. That too, yeah, or I was saying about Trump specifically. Oh, I was thinking about, yeah. People want to work with him like Goldstone because they're like, oh, I just set up a meeting because he's Trump.

I didn't think he was like a criminal. Maybe it's some weird like Jacob Wool situation where you just want to be famous even if it's for the wrong reason. Totally. Yeah, Tommy Laren. It'll be the downfall of these guys for sure. How much of Dushar.

It's like mosquitoes like, you know, going to the light, you know, like just like to their own death. Oh, mobs. Mobs, yeah, sorry. I didn't even, they're flying things. I was like, blood sucking toward the light. What? Vampires?

No, no. That's you, no. That's you, no. That's you, no. Gotcha. Thank you, mobs. Before that correction comes in the email, you can just delete that now, guys.

Yeah, stop typing. We know it's mobs. We figured it out. And this week in what took you so long, Richard Neal and the House Ways and Means Committee is suing the IRS and the Treasury, Steve, to get the past six years of Trump's personal and business tax returns, right? This fight started

a while ago when Neil requested the returns under section 1603 of the tax code, which says the IRS shall furnish whatever tax return the Houseways and Means Committee asks for no questions asked. Pretty much. No, no, no, motive, not important. Uh, Steve and the IRS, we, we like to call him a newton Steve because it bothers him. Yeah, yeah. Steve and the IRS, uh, Steve, new department, the government, Steve. And, uh, the IRS, both of the guys, the general council and the IRS commissioner, friends of Trumps, uh, appointed with priority over Bill Barr, meaning that his taxes were more important, were more important than the Mueller report. Then the Russian Galicia prioritized your scandals.

I get that. Yeah, he really doesn't want us to see what's going on with Deutsche Bank. And by the way, it's firing like 20,000 employees this week. Right. Pretty much shutting down. And they released some information on, was it Kusher someone recently, they dropped some,

some bars. They've been, and mostly been working with tish james oh yeah attorney general new york love her so she keeps tweeting at Trump like calm down bro not above the law see you tomorrow com a tish that should be like a hashtag call me tish my name is my name is latisha call me tish it's beautiful it's fantastic so anyway steven the iris said they would not provide the tax returns citing the motive of Congress as being political in nature.

So Richard Neal issued subpoenas which have been ignored twice and even though it's not required by law He gave legislative reasons for wanting the tax returns including a review of the IRS presidential audit There's supposed to be a program that audits presidential tax returns. That's overdue. He wants to see if it works. And to determine whether or not Trump benefited from his own tax bill. And that's a new legislative reason.

I like that one. That was interesting because they're like, look, we might need to write counter legislation to this tax bill if it is shown that Trump is personally benefiting. Absolutely. They wrote that tax bill on napkins. that Trump is personally benefiting. Absolutely. They wrote that tax bill on napkins. They rushed that.

They knew they were going to lose in the midterms. They felt it. People were so mad that Trump was elected. And that was the number one priority in that fucking tax bill. Yeah. So that is a super legislative reason. Like we might need to look at the tax bill and write new legislation just because of this personally.

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Senate Republicans. And don't at me with your, they'll never turn. Yes, I know. That's the point is that they're already so correct that if this isn't do it, nothing will. That is my point. Exactly. I'll say it again so that you can hear me

because I still get emails about this. If defying a Supreme Court order does not turn Senate Republicans, nothing will. Right. Okay. That's my point. I like that point. Thank you.

So anyway, this lawsuit states that there has never been a case where the IRS successfully blocked a request from the tax or from the Houseways and Means Committee. So hopefully this will work. It's way through the courts quickly. I think the courts know that there's a public interest and they tend to schedule things faster when there is you Saw how fast the Deutsche Bank Capital One and Mazar's cases went through. Yeah, and that's because there's a national public interest. So once they have his taxes The Houseways and Means Community they aren't supposed to release them to the public unless they feel there's a public interest

Which there is definitely so let's hope we get them before the election. That's all I can say. Yeah, that's enough time, right? It's already making its way. I think it's more than plenty of time. And I think we will get them before the election. And I'm thinking that, you know, a lot of people say, what took him so long? Why did he wait three months? I think he's trying to push this into the next Supreme Court session so that it drops right in the middle of elections. Oh, that's smart. I guess, but I know it's not more like holding off for political reasons. It's what Pelosi's doing though. Yeah, they all do this.

Yeah, their kids are dying. They want the same endgame. Yeah, but they're wasting time. Right. I think what they figure is, yes, kids are dying now, but if Trump is elected, they'll die for four more years. We have to make Trump not elected, so that's their game. I get that it's tough to be a politician.

I mean, I don't like giving too much credit, but I get these are really tough decisions, but I also agree with you that we shouldn't wait. I mean, it's better than doing nothing, but I wish they would just go through with it already. They're probably afraid of the cycle dying down before the election right the new cycle of like, do you just want to keep it up there?

Yeah, but we can keep the pressure on while also saving kids now I think. Well, as a veteran, it makes me angry that they would politicize a decision like this. For sure, and even though it's for the right reasons, it's still tough. It's like when Obama drone places like, yeah, you killed less people, but people still die.

I get it. Politicians have tough choices. That's why I'm not one for many reasons. We really want to win 2020. That too, but I think though, I really want to make sure that Trump is held to account. And I think both can happen if they just do all this now, because it'll take so long to go through this process anyway

to get the people to take in a lot less time. Had they opened an impeachment here? Yeah, you're right about that. But then it wouldn't be in the middle of the election. Oh gosh. Yeah, I know. But then cycles already started, the campaigns season's already here. It will only seven months to the primary. Yeah, I know. But the cycles already started, the campaigns season's already here. It will only seven months to the primary.

Yeah, it's gonna fly by. A lot of weird shit this week, by the way, happened with the 2020 census citizen ship. Shoulder ship, shoulder ship, five times fast. Shoulder ship, shoulder ship, shoulder ship, shoulder ship, and this week talk over to the audience.

Ha, ha, ha. I seriously, a lot of shit went down. Oh yeah. With this, with beyond the scotus making a ruling lot of shit went down with this, with beyond the scotus making a ruling, kicking it back down the court, the court thinking it was over, and then Trump tweeting, and then the department of justice going,

oh yeah, sorry, we, I don't even know. They're scared of him. They saw what he did to sessions, and they're like, I don't wanna become sessions. Totally, I saw that bit on Mato. Absolutely, yeah, NPR too talked about it. Yeah. Imagine you were this guy who's been there the whole time.

And it's like, I saw the last time. Even if you're a good guy, you're about your reputation, your family being threatened. Trump is a mobster like. Specifically a 16 year veteran in the Department of Justice as a lawyer who now has no standing. Because he's already worked for Trump. Sorry, he's not got no credibility with the court.

He's like, oh shit, he's not just resigned. He totally should. And not because he's already worked for Trump. It's already right. He's got no credibility with the court He's like oh shit. Yeah, what just resigned he totally should and not because he's a dickhead No, it's just the right thing just be like I gotta get the fuck out of here. Yeah, peace out But he's probably looking out for his family and the money and security. It's tough man I don't think it's right to not resign, but I kind of get it. They're just cornered and they'll be all right Write a book sure write a book. Oh, write a book. I'll buy it. Get a book deal. So many book deals out there right now. Anyway, we'll talk about that in hot notes. This week, the Inspector General, Horowitz, Trump's Inspector General,

released a scathing report about the concentration camps at the border, complete with photos, which I haven't seen as part of an IG report in a long time. Usually they don't put photos out. Interesting, I didn't know that, yeah. It's usually just words. Yeah, they said a lot of photos. But it had a lot of photos in it, and the IG painted a really gruesome portrait of what it's like to be detained in the board of patrol facilities in five different locations. Surprise visits. Most of the visits that like the ones that AOC did, they had a 40 hour, 48 hour notice and they were still shitty. Wow. So they had two days to clean up their notice and they were still shitty. Wow.

So they had two days to clean up their act and they were still gross. Right. So this was 10 times worse. Oh my goodness. Refugees were packed in rooms meant for half as many people. They were drinking out of toilets. And when I say that, and a lot of Trump supporters

been like, who the water fountain's on the back of the toilet asshole, do you get a dickhead? Oh my God. The water fountain was broken and they were telling the people to drink out of the toilet bowl. Oh my goodness. The water fountain was broken, and they were telling the people to drink out of the toilet bowl. Oh my goodness. Yeah, standing room only for over 40 days,

you can't even sleep. And the inspector general said the conditions were a ticking time bomb, right? Terrifying. And this week another toddler died in custody. That makes seven so far, seven children so far since December. I'm not even counting the adults.

And the ones that they haven't told us about, probably. Right. These are just the ones we know about. And on top of all that, Trump doubled down on his cruelty policy by removing protections for deportation for families of active duty service members. That's right. Just pulled that program. Yeah. War on immigrants. Yeah. No reason. Just. I love the troops, but not the ones married to brown people. Exactly. And he canceled the translator program

for asylum seekers in the court. Oh, shit. Just canceled it. You don't need one. If the judge deems one, necessary, you can go find one in the hallways. And if they're not there, too bad deal with it. He's just chipping away at all of this.

Yeah. So it's really totally horrible. So at least join us July 12th at one of over 500 planned vigils, marches, and rallies with lightsforliberti.org. It's going to be a huge thing. We're going to be here in San Diego. So for more information lights for Liberty dot org. We'll see you there. Yeah, we'll definitely be there. Also this week, Pence was about to leave DC to speak at an opioid rehab center no one knows why he was called back other than maybe the revolutionary war needed him to guard the airport. Oh yeah that's right.

Though it was right after crazy like a super crazy Trump Twitter tantrum about his foundation, the Trump foundation against Tish James. I didn't notice that connection. New York A.G. did it up. He's like you're a terrible person. Yeah. It's after York age-eated up. He's like, you're a terrible person. Yeah. It's just after me, witch hunt, whatever. And it was right then. And then, Penn Scott called back, I don't know if they're related. Yeah, I thought it was probably Iran related, but no, that makes more sense that during that sweet storm, yeah. Yeah. And the White House said it had nothing to do with national security or anything like that. Chill out everyone. We'll tell you, maybe in a couple weeks, if we feel like that. Yeah, nothing is see here. So I don't know it. it's hard to trust them when they say nothing's wrong

Because like you want to believe when a president said that that they mean it but with its administration It's like the president that cried whoo, you know like whatever or nothing happening but something's always hiding With dying to know what it is like was there an emergency conversion therapy session? Right even if it's that I want to know mother didn't want them around women in rehab That makes sense that it's gotta be that one. Yeah. But just like just tell people something. Don't say nothing. No, see here because we don't trust you already. Like give us a reason. We may not believe your reason, but give us something. Like it's better than just saying, I don't know. When they say don't worry about it, that worries me more. I think I had an emergency where he had to get back because they're printing the census now.

And he had to replace the word Caucasian with the word white before they put the census out. Really? Maybe that's... Is that really? No. Okay, I was like, that one sounds like convincing. We should play like two truths in the lie or something about that. Yeah, it's from a mischievous.

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He's an otter. Yeah, murderous otters. Yeah. But they found him not guilty on six counts, including murder, but they found him guilty on one count of posing with a corpse. And that count carries a maximum of four months. And we thought he would get time served

since he's been in the brig longer than that, awaiting trial. But surprisingly, the jury came back and sentenced him to the full four months. Nice. And they broke him down in rank from an E7, to an E6, and they docked his pay about 2,500 a month for three months.

Oh my God, that's money. Yeah. That's like $7,500, bro. That's a lot to me, yeah. To, yeah, I guess, me, my feet. If you don't have a car payment, me, if you're dropped down, no. That's a whole car payment, right?

He is in San Diego, so that's kind of enough, that much money. But I thought for sure, Trump would pardon him on the 4th of July. I thought he was gonna get up in the rain and be like, we ram the ramparts. We ram the man parts. That's right. We took the airports, I'm pardoning that Gallagher fella.

But his teleprompter went out. Maybe he was about to. Maybe he was planning to and it was in the teleprompter speech, but he's just so bad at even reading what he's talking about. I hope somebody's unplugged it. They write it and they're like, fuck this. You think you read your own speech. It's 20 minutes long.

You're like, I'm going to go over this, I'm gonna talk about the Revolutionary War. We're gonna do some lyrics from the Star Spangled Banner. You're gonna pardon this Navy seal. His name is Gallagher. Like, I would just remember the smashing of watermelon with the hammer. Oh, nice, that's good.

And then we just say God bless America. And then I'm like, rip it up. You get it in your head. He can't even do that. He doesn't practice, he doesn't write anything. And his telepropter goes out and he's lost. Yeah, he starts like improving and not in the funny way. Well, everything that he was talking about before

is just gone because he was reading it. And somebody actually put a really interesting article. If you're a poor reader, if you're not good at reading or reading comprehension, you have to spend all your energy on just reading so that you can't think about what you're reading about. Yeah, there's no like delivery to it, right?

Right, it's like when I was first learning to play guitar and sing, I had to focus so much on what chords I was playing, I couldn't sing it at the same time, but then eventually you get so good and you could sing. And then eventually I got so good I could sing and play guitar and think about what I was doing next week. Oh yeah. But he can't. He can't multitask.

Anything beyond reading aloud. And once it's gone, everything that he was saying before is gone with him. Yeah, yeah. And that's either just your poor reader or you're in the third stage of Ciphaletic Dimension. Or both. I mean, that's like a real medical possibility. Like with the Epstein staff, just hearing about all his escapadesades like it's just a problem. We're gonna get emails for civilish Shaming we will but you know what? I don't think it's the fault of any of the victims

I think it's Trump just being gross and like you know being a whore there are and you know what? No, I'm not horshaming right right for sure right just just Trump shaming. I guess that yeah, I should say Yeah, and I'm not even I'm not even civilish shaming Youis shaming you know no no take these are just possibilities that he could have see a doctor get rid of it I think that was advice that the yeah you can cure syphilis right yeah yeah and even if you could I think don't trust whitey look Lord loves a work of man see a doctor and get rid of it there you go the three piece of it yeah I promise that in a yeah he totally did. But I honestly think that this kind of dementia

can come from a late stage syphilis, I'm just saying. Mm-hmm. Have that checked. Cause I don't really think that his crazy long hair doctor or that sugar pill guy, the guy candy man, the candy man. I remember him, Ronnie, whatever.

I don't think that they're a really good dog. Right, and like you would think with all that money, or you know, the money he had, like he would get that fix, but Trump is such a weirdo, like I don't know if he would go to a doctor or like, say I... I feel like he would lie to his doctor

like he lies to us, like he looks great. He looks like he looks great. My brain's awesome. Right, I don't think he, like even it's honest with his therapist if he has one. Like he just seems like he'll take these things to the grave. Yeah, he's like a really uncool Johnny Karate. There you go.

All right guys. So, uh, new other news here, the Inspector General, this is the IG Horowitz, the guy who just released the skating report on the conditions at the border in the facilities. So the Inspector General is finally investigating the FBI Hoover Building scandal, and this is the scandal where Trump probably allegedly stopped the FBI from moving out of the crumbling decrepit Hoover building in Washington, D.C. downtown into the burbs. They've been planning it for 10 years. But Trump probably stopped it because he was afraid or he knew that the old FBI building would be bought by a hotel, hotel air, that would be by a developer who was going to build a hotel. And that would compete with his downtown

D.C. hotel. And he's a giant baby. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, idea. Trump had nothing to do with it. She conveniently omitted the part where she had a meeting in the Oval Office with Trump about this. And there's photos of that meeting. Right, never matter. Because Trump can't get over an Instagram moment. Right. But she and Christopher Ray, the FBI director, told Congress that the idea to remain in the Hoover Building was the FBI's totally our idea and that Trump had nothing to do with it. After 10 years of all this planning and work, it was a tool, man, that guy. We just did it. We all know this is bullshit. And now the inspector general is looking into it. We'll probably get the report in a few months,

usually takes a few months to get report. So why does this matter? It's clearly another abuse of power, which is an article of impeachment to throw on the pile. And the longer the articles of impeachment document is, the dumber Senate Republicans look when they acquit him. Right, how can you like dismiss every single accusation, right?

You have to break it apart with facts, because these people are doing their work. Like the inspector general deserves so much props for all of this journalism, all this documentation. All these investigations. Absolutely, like he is killing it. Like it's just, it's sad that this even has to happen,

but he's really delivering the truth in a way that I wouldn't expect the Trump official to do. Right, Horowitz, whoa. And maybe one of the reasons Pelosi is stalling, opening an impeachment inquiry is because of this. She wants this super long list of documents and evidence. Because she said we have to have an ironclad case. I talked to my after dot all the odds and growth to absolutely my rep and my district Susan Davis I talked to her people at this festival yesterday and they were saying the same thing they're like we're not against impeachment we're just waiting for these hearings

or waiting for more evidence all these Democrats are like they have a safe you know district they're waiting for I don't like Susan Davis. Oh well you know how's the caviar was running against her. Okay I'm all more for that yeah, cuz she really does have a safe seat I don't know if she's willing to like take things to where they need to be because she's a little too Yeah, she's a little too little too cozy middle of the road for exactly, but she's done great things But there could be better people in her position for sure absolutely we need more progressive people. We do yeah past the Torch She'd bite it

Pass the torches. I'm still holding on to that torch So I still think we should open impeachment inquiry. We should have done it months ago when we took the house back because we'd be way further along in getting all the evidence and testimonies and grand jury material we need to move forward. And I personally think that stalling impeachment for political purposes and we talked about this earlier is the wrong move especially given the concentration camps. Yes, they are dying. Borderline death camps, right? Like, what are we going to call this if it's by accident that, especially given the concentration camps. Children are dying. They are dying.

Borderline death camps, right? Like, what are we going to call this if it's by accident that they're dying? Yeah, it's the dying. And is that worth a political gambit? Right. I hope I'm wrong. I hope Pelosi comes out at the end and throws down a, I don't know, would he throw down a mic? Oh, yeah, my drop.

Something, it just goes bam, bitches. And then just walks out of the room and there's an explosion and she's wearing the coat with the glasses. That's my fantasy. I doubt it will happen that way, but I hope so. I hope she's made. We found out this week that Trump can't just leave well enough alone or the fourth of July alone. Not only did he use footage from his sad dick energy parade to make a political ad paid for by the taxpayers, which is illegal.

Yeah, pass the savings on to you. That's the fireworks for his small mushroom extravaganza were donated by Phantom fireworks in Ohio, just like a Phantom penis. Who interestingly, they lobbied him to stop tariffs on imports from China. And as it turns out, Trump delayed the tariffs on the same day that the Chinese Firework distributor donated upwards of $750,000 in fireworks. How do you get a bribe with fireworks? To Trump's insecurity party. Chinese fireworks at that. Not even made in the USA. I guess they're really cool, though. In fact, the fireworks spelled out

made in the USA because if you can't lie all the way, don't lie. So I run it, yeah. And if you think that's weird, so do the citizens for responsibility and ethics in Washington, they have launched an investigation into the potential squid pro-crow. So we'll see what happens, but that is one tiny, tiny investigation in the big fireworks display of investigation. And the giant fireworks display.

One little spark. And we haven't even gotten to the finale yet. The finale. Consultant has a joke about how everyone says, this is the finale. And I literally heard someone saying that during the 4th of July, I just walked past the house and she's like, this is the finale. And I found a resultant. It reminded me of when we had the big bay boom and they all went off at once.

Yeah. It's about a decade ago. Yeah, the Russian said it. Seven years ago, I think, it was two other Russians. They hacked our fireworks. But no, they launched all the fireworks at once. And everybody on the beach is like, yeah, it was so beautiful. Yeah. And then everyone's like, we should run away. Because it was just so low. Yeah. And that's like 10 seconds.

It was really intense. I heard 30 seconds. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was crazy. I was there. It was funny. I just like video YouTube. Yeah. I'm just looking at it like everyone's running away. And I'm just looking at like everyone's running away. And I'm just staring at like somebody's fired. That's you in the apocalypse. Just going to stare into it. Yeah. Just going to look right into it. Might as well. I can't be saved. Bring it. I'm a rabbit in your headlights.

So anyway, it was just fantastic. So Michigan Republican congressional representative, Justin Amash, declared his independence this week on the 4th of July From the Republican party by saying Democrats and Republicans equally suck and he's above it all I hate that but I mean I'm glad he left the GOP but Stupid things. He's the only Republican in Congress calling for the impeachment of Trump cool But he also voted against the Equal Rights Act, the Violence Against Women Act. He voted against that, and voted to allow employers

to discriminate against LGBTQ plus people. So what does he have a problem with then? If he's for all of that, like what, what did Trump do that pissed him off? As long as he doesn't join my party, I don't give a shit where he goes. That's fair. I split the vote for the G.

I'm hoping he runs as an independent and Jill Stein's Trump in 2020. I want him to Jill Stein Trump. Right. I gotta look up what his argument was. They're like, I know why we hate Trump, but like if he's this kind of shitty person, he's just like a politics is spiraling down the toilet

and he didn't necessarily pin it on one party. He said party's are lame. He's a part of the problem too with all those fucking, going against that shit. Yeah, I mean, to me, his only use is educating his constituents on what's really in the Mueller report. And that's fair. Because they did get that one lady right

Yeah, you're right. She's like I know idea. I thought he was exonerated yet that lady Plus one yeah, well one of the time right? In this week, let's see Sci-group is back in the news It's been a while if you recall Sci-group was owned by Joel Zamol who was paid two million dollars by George Nader Pedophile after Trump was elected and who was paid $2 million by George Nader pedophile after Trump was elected and Zammel took part in the August 3rd 2016 Trump Tower meeting arranged by

Eric Prince for Zammel, Nader and Junior. And at the time of that meeting, Zammel had already drawn up a multi-million-dollar proposal for a social media manipulation effort to help elect Donald Trump. Seth Abramsam calls this meeting the biggest news story of 2018. Yeah, it's huge. It happened in 2017, but he said it broke in 2018. It's the biggest story of the year. And that was in our Mueller pollusa episode.

Yeah. And the year, though it didn't show up in the Mueller report. And it was likely handed off maybe when he closed up shop because it wasn't mentioned. But this week we learned from Israeli media that their justice ministry appears to be blocking access to and potentially trying to wipe Cygroups computers in a lawsuit against them. It's being positive that it has to do with Cygroup working to oppose the BDS movement. And the BDS movement is Palestinian-led campaign promoting various forms of boycott against Israel until it meets what the campaign describes as Israel's obligations under international law. Yeah, the constitution for them. Yeah, yeah.

Such as withdrawal from occupied territories removal of the separation barrier in the West Bank and full equality for Arab Palestinian citizens. I mean, that's a reasonable. And it would be very interesting if the government of Israel were working in secret to wipe the computers of side group, which was actively opposing the pro-Palestinian movement. Oh, yeah. Classic corruption move. I can even do the US doing some shit like this. We did.

Yeah, yeah. Totally, right? We've had to. See, 2016. Yeah. Sci-Grupe was even there. Yeah, good point. Uh, so let's see, there's been another indictment

in the 1MDB case, and we're going to cover that in hot notes. Mm-hmm. And, Julie, so you have a story about two Russians arrested in Libya for election interference, so we'll stick around for that. And finally, late Friday, all right, stick with me because this is confusing, because it involves Jerome Corsi. He filed a reply late Friday to Mueller's opposition to Corsi's motion for leave to file a second amended complaint in his individual capacity. So what does that mean? Yeah, because it took me eight times of reading that to figure it out.

Well, Corsi sued Mueller, right? And he also sued the FBI and the CIA and the NSA, saying they tried to force him to lie about his relationship with Roger Stone and Julian Assange. They've tried to force me to purge him myself or they told me I would spend my life in prison. Yeah, that little purgeury trap starring Lindsay Lovett the perjury trap so He filed this lawsuit against after he turned down Mueller's plea deal So then Mueller filed a motion to dismiss Corsi's case. You're stupid. He said you're stupid

And then Corsi filed an amendment to his complaint. Oh. Okay. And everyone gets one amendment complaint. That's a freebie. Okay. And Mueller filed to dismiss that too. Then, in order to file a second or third or fourth amended complaint, you have to get permission from the court. So, of course, he filed a motion for leave to file a second amendment complaint. Leave to file is a fancy term for, I was asking the court, he asked the court

if he could file a second amendment, amended complaint. Then Mueller filed an opposition to that. And Mueller filed it by himself. Oh. So it wasn't Mueller at all. It wasn't Mueller, the FBI, the CIA, the NSA. He's like, Robert. Well, because honestly, how do you respond

on behalf of the entire intelligence? I'm just going to respond myself. And of course, he apparently has a problem with this. So he just filed it on his own and not on behalf of the other defendants. So now this new filing, of course, he has put in is his reply to Mueller's opposition, of course, he's request to file a second amended complaint. And I think the basis for this argument is that Mueller is by himself, like I said, and he's not speaking for the other agencies, yeah.

The other defendants. It's really poorly written. Of course, he's okay. I would imagine. Reply to Mueller's reply to his request for a second. It sounds like when you're just like fighting online or something like, you know, go back and forth. That'd be so funny. If on Facebook Facebook you had to do that. Oh my gosh

Yeah, my reply to your second amendment complaint. I'm sorry. You want to complain again You're gonna have to get permission from the court. Mm-hmm. It's really this is really a poorly written thing I'm like hey people did it once You should it hey you taught me to lie He can't do it by the entitlement. He has so much confidence to keep appealing Mueller like that's crazy. Mueller's like, do I really need to file another opposition to your bullshit? Yeah, and Mueller will probably file a reply to his reply as to why he should get a second amended complaint and be like he shouldn't get one. Yeah, saying quit your shit, bro. And it's just like, no. Yeah, it's not going to work. It's not going to work.

Things to say, not, bro. They're either stalling or they feel so privileged that this is something that gets due all the time. Like, I'm just going to keep pushing it to see what. Because how many amended complaints can I file? Right. He's not going to get this one. Beans on him not getting the ability

to file his second amended complaint and beans on his lawsuit being totally dismissed by the court because it's so dumb. Right. Someone just didn't do an item. It's an item. Yeah, of course. He's gonna fancy indictment leak forever. Right, because he had that plea deal

and then went public saying, look at you tried to get me to lie. Yeah. No, that's a plea deal. Leaked it, bro. You accept that or you don't. It's cool. And coming up this week,

this is a new thing where I want to talk about what's happening in the coming week. Monday, we should expect the transcribed testimony from Christa Jones on the citizenship question. She's a long-time census bureau employee who currently serves as the chief of staff to the bureau's deputy director, Ron Jarman, which just looks like Ron Jerry me to me. She was apparently in touch with the grand wizard of Jerry Mandering, Huffellr, via official government and private email since 2010. She was using her hotmail account. Oh, damn. I'm sure the government's cool with using your private emails.

Oh, yeah, I don't see what they have a problem with that at all. Never been any problem with that. Yeah. Also Monday, Mick Mulvaney has a chance has chance number two. This is his second request or his second, like second deadline, I guess. Yeah. So he has a second deadline to submit proof that Trump and Putin didn't violate the Presidential Records Act when they met in secret. Tuesday, Mark Zuckerberg from Facebook has to submit all information from the I'm 1015

secret Facebook group to the House over at committee. Yeah, Mark Zuckerberg, right? Right. So this is the secret close group of... Custom and Border Patrol agents. Border Patrol agents, yeah, yeah. sucker bird right? So this is the secret close group of custom and border troll agents. Yeah, yeah. They're like, oh, look at these dead people. Ha ha. Yeah. Oh, let's throw Warren Brito's Adam. Oh, they're dead. So sad. Oh, well, yeah, I'm 10. 15 means aliens in custody. It's like their code. Yeah, that's radio code for aliens in custody. Wednesday,

Mike Flynn and Rick Gates are supposed to appear for testimony to the House Intelligence Committee. Yeah, right. Maybe Rick Gates will come. He for testimony to the House Intelligence Committee. Yeah, right. Maybe Rick Gates will come. He's kind of their bitch. He is. Yeah. And he's, I think he's also going to be testifying in the B. Jean-Key on trial coming in July. Right.

This month, Pat Cipolloni has a deadline to submit proof that no presidential record act violations occurred under his watch. And Mick Mulvaney has his second deadline to submit documents and response to the 2017 hurricane response. Oh, shit. Mick Mulvaney is busy this week. Yeah, a big week. And then Friday, oral arguments begin in the Trump v. Mazar's oversight committee case. That's court.

That's in the courts. It's going through. And oral arguments begin. Judge Barrel Howell also will release grand jury transcripts in the mystery company from country A subpoena battle on Friday. I don't know if we'll find out the name of the, I don't think we'll find out. But we're that much closer though.

We can get some clues, perhaps. More clues. And Kevin McAleenan and Mark Morgan, two assholes. They're exposed to appear before the House Oversight to testify on Trump's family separation policy. So that's Friday as well. So we have a big week ahead. You can sign up for our daily updates by becoming a patron at patreon.com slash mullershi

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where to work. Alright welcome back. Hot notes. So today we have an update on the 1MDB story, but first Julie said, what is going on in Libya? Okay, yes. So I'll provide a little context here before I get into that. This week, me and my girlfriend got high and we started to discuss the refugee crisis at the border and we started to wonder whether Putin maybe orchestrating these crises just like he did with Syria and Europe. So specifically he seems to have this pattern of weaponizing immigration to increase

xenophobia and ultimately destabil any country of his choice. So I did some research and it seems like a lot of people have this exact same theory. In fact in 2016 the independent reported that a NATO commander named General Phil Breedlove accused Russia and the Syrian government of bombing Syrian civilians in order to, quote, drive migration to Europe, and there were actually a ton of articles on this topic all dating back to roughly three years ago. I hate that when I have a brilliant idea, and then you look it up and you're like, already out there.

I swear to God, I came up with unitarianism when I was like 17 or 18. I'm like, I have this great idea, we're all connected byitarianism when I was like 17 or 18. I have this great idea. We're all connected by energy because I was about to be confirmed as a Catholic and I'm like, this is dumb. But we're all the same thing. We're all made out. And then it turns out it's already a thing. But great minds, you know, it's flattering, I think.

It's a good, you're on the right path. Yeah, I know. But when you think of this just giant cathartic idea and then you find out, hmm, well, that's how you know it's a good one. Someone beat you to the punch. Correct. Especially these to the punch. Correct. Especially these intelligent, brilliant people. Yeah.

But you came up with this theory in the midweek. I'm like, dude, it really makes a lot of sense. And then we're going to get into Libya too because it's all connected. But what I was also wondering is whether or not the same strategy is being applied to the Northern Triangle. So as we reported on the show, Trump pulled aid from three Latin American countries, Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador. However, in June, the White House announced

that they would restore some aid to the region, but would not allow for any further funding until they quote, do more to reduce migrant flows to the US. So basically, we know you're taking away your money. Yeah, that's like, hey, son, I'm kicking you out of the house and taking away your money until you do more to live in a place and make money. Yeah, and like, you know,

they're taking the resources and saying, you need to do better, or we're not gonna give you more resources until you do better. It's like this weird loop of nonsense. And who's to say that? Like being in your 20s. Exactly.

And their problems could very well be because of us. I was thinking if Trump is compromised by Putin, which is what this whole podcast is about, then maybe we're a little fucking complicit in Putin's evil plans to conquer the world, whether we're directly helping him or just looking the other way. And speaking of Putin's evil plans to take over the world this week, getting to Libya, we've learned that two Russians were arrested in Libya for meddling in their presidential elections.

Classic. Russians meddling in elections? What? Apparently, they also meddle in Madagascar's elections in a few other African countries, so I guess Putin has expanded his evil empire to Africa. And the funniest part about this whole story is that the name of the Russian troll factory that specifically targets African countries is called Fabrica Trolli, which is Russian for troll factory.

It's crazy. Oh yeah, they know. They know and they want us to know. They know exactly what they're doing. And this is kind of how it came up when we were talking about the two rats in Libya. Why are they trying to steal African elections? Maybe they're trying to drive refugees north across the Mediterranean. Absolutely. Yeah. And the two Russians that were arrested in Libya were also arrested with Kadoffi son. You guys might remember his dad, the Libyan dictator, you know, classic. And I guess his son is just picking up where his dad left off because the

Russian meddling was supposed to be in favor of Kadoffi's son to help him gain power. So we're kind of at a place where dictators are once again successfully weaponizing xenophobia and using it for their political advantage. And our current president is totally cool with it because dictators are cool with him, but at least these guys got it caught. So that's obviously better than nothing. But something else I learned this week is that Putin isn't just trying to take over the world by election meddling.

He's also trying to do it with agriculture. So apparently Putin is seeking to quote, minimize Russia's reliance on markets. He can't access and to achieve food self-sufficiency by 2020, which sounds nice. So perhaps another reason he's trying to take over Africa. Exactly. Oh my god. They keep robbing Africa. Like taking the resources. Putin has even weaponized the war in the Middle East to advance his agricultural goals Specifically after Turkey shot down that Russian fighter jet along the Syrian border last November Putin responded by quote Banneding a range of produce from its former ally and so the rest yeah the Russian government even broadcasts in their inspectors bulldozing over Turkish tomatoes

And now we will sell you aluminum tomato exactly Yeah, and they all have like, pull them in tea and then. And now Putin is growing an entire field of produce, pretty much produce power using quote, T34 tank tomatoes. Like I think that's the name of the actual device. And one Russian agricultural officer said,

we have big plans to drown the world and taste the Russian produce. So that's a really weird phrase, right? Drown the world in Russian tomatoes. Yeah, I get the feeling that. Watch out Paul Newman. Yeah, exactly. He might be trying to like just corner the market. I could see him just like scolding the earth and saying you got to come to me now for your tomatoes because he's doing that with all his neighboring countries and I think he's just slowly starting to fuck over the world. He stabilizes people flood the refugees.

Yeah, interesting how our tariffs are hurting farmers here. Exactly. Yeah. So he's just slowly starting to fuck over the world. He stabilizes people, flood the refugees. Yeah, interesting how our tariffs are hurting farmers. Exactly, yeah. So he's got all these different fronts for his evil empire with the refugees and the racism and then just taking people's food and kind of like Stalin did. He claimed he had this five year plan for having all this food and then he just kept into himself. Yeah, this is some crazy classic dictators shit.

Yeah, totally. Lots of different parts. But that's the reason. And we see a lot of it here at home too. Yeah, totally. Lots of different parts, but that's the reason. And we see a lot of it here at home too. Yeah, yeah, but that theory apparently has been circulating and even NATO officers are calling him out on it, but. That's really interesting. Yeah. Thank you so much for that reporting.

Of course, yeah, yeah. That's really crazy. And something else crazy this week, one MDB, the Malaysian fund, where the Malaysian guy stole or laundered like hundreds of millions of dollars. Totally. Out of Malaysia, stole from his country. I think it was like 60 million or something.

No, it's like 280 million. It's a lot of money. Oh, shit. Oh, he gave back 60 million. Oh, that's nice of him. And so a bunch of people were being arrested in that. And this is of import because I think that Jolo who helped wander this money out using one of the Fuji's

pros and cons, Michelle, yeah. Help with from Brody, Elliot Brody. They're all in it. Chris Christie, we're being paid, Casawitz, which is one of Trump's lawyers. So they're all in on this shit. Leonardo DiCaprio had to testify. That was the crazy part.

And this, I'm like, dude, the day that all of a sudden, Leonardo DiCaprio ice cube was wrapped up in this in the guy from the Fuji's. So ice cube had tried to get this guy to lend him the fund, tried to lend him money for his basketball league. He's like a three man old guy basketball league. So cute. And he failed to hand the money over.

And Ice Cube's partner heard him say, you don't want my money? You don't want my money? Oh yeah, he's like, everyone else did it. Flynn took my money. And he's like, whoa. And so he went to tell the FBI, like you're supposed to. That's incredible, yeah, yeah.

So this is the 1MDB fund. And I've often thought that maybe the secret company from country A could be 1MDB. Yeah. It could be Malaysia. But there's so much in the public reporting about Malaysia I figure like right. Yeah private, but something happened this week. They arrested another dude, right? Yeah, so they arrested the producer of wolf of Wall Street, Riza Aziz. So yeah, he's been arrested over the scandal and we reported that he was questioned last July for quote a Ledge theft and money laundering at the one mdb state investment fund

And so yeah, it's all coming home to ruse they waited a whole year And so that's kind of their counter argument the people that are on the evil side of this are like what year year Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's just the government right doing its fucking job like To toss him out. Yeah, it takes a little while to catch up with your shady ass Sorry, we couldn't account for all two hundred and thirty million dollars of laundry So we didn't catch you in the act of Swiss bank accounts. Which we had to trace through other shell companies around the world.

Exactly. You're welcome. They have the worst arguments, but they're so desperate. They just like, they're going to go for it. That'll be in their filing. It took too long. Yeah. I'm not guilty.

Look at how long it took. And the history books will see that fucking quote. Want an asshole? Yeah, but that's not. And I'm sure many more shoes will drop. I'm hoping they all go down for this. But one MDb is my favorite story just because it includes all the famous people Yeah, yeah, and then we actually found out through this that Steve From the treasury has produced 44 movies and he was even in a movie

Oh man, I forgot the name of it But it was like something really stupid. He has one acting role. He does one acting. Yeah, it's like one acting credit It's really done movie it It's produced 44 movies. Yeah. And movie production apparently which we've learned through one MDB in the Malaysia. Yeah. Skim. Is that's a way to launder money. Totally like real estate. So what do you do? Steve? What's up Steve? Mr. Treasury department who also lived face sanctions on Dara Pasca. He looks just like a car. Also not a money laundering. Yeah, the car teams they draw about Steve, he looks just like them. They nail that facial expression.

And his super hot girlfriend who I'm sure loves him for his soul. Oh, totally. Yeah, who's great. He can print money. That's why she's with him. Yeah. All right, I'm going to attempt to break down what happened in the 2020 census citizenship question lawsuit this week. So in March of 2018, Wilbur Ross said he was going to tack a citizenship question onto

the census. Then give a reason. And then an army of critics have said the question could disenfranchise nearly 9 million people to skew the results to benefit white Republicans, specifically white Republicans. Yeah, I discourages the brown people from being a part of it. Yeah. And that was reinforced by the disclosure last month of a 2015 study by Hufflelar. I do the man from two brains.

Hufflelar, who I call the grand wizard of gerrymandering, he's dead now, I'm so sad. That explained, his whole study explained how the citizenship question could be used to exclude people in such ways to hobble representation of Hispanics. That was their whole plan. And Democrats have to help white Republicans. Yeah, specifically. It's in his flash drive that he hid.

What if he hid it under his mattress? His daughter found that. She quits. She quits. Yeah, his daughter totally turned him in. She did. She did. Look what I found.

Because she kind of hates him. She said she grew up and he was always like a bell. He's a racist asshole. Yeah, but she realized pretty quickly. Yeah. Well, so last week the Supreme Court rejected Trump's stated reason for adding a citizenship question. But chief justice, he was using the civil rights or voting rights act. Yeah, the voting rights act. He's going to make sure everybody's voting legally. Yeah. Hey, we're just supporting the

voting right. Sure, dude. And Chief Justice Roberts said, nah, bro, but he left open the chance that the administration could offer an adequate rationale. Like, you come up with a better reason. Hit us up. I guess he's like, try me. He probably doubts that they'll come up with one. Yeah, what are you going to do? So Tuesday of this week, the Department of Justice lawyers, Trump's lawyers abandoned the effort and told this judge, uh, hey, we're done. We're printing the census without the question. And the commerce secretary Wilbur Ross also told Judge Hazel they had decided to remove the question once and for all. So we thought it was a settled deal. And then Trump tweeted the next day. He wasn't

giving up on this and it was fake news. If you heard that we were giving up, it's fake news. How is his news now fake news? It's like it's your people. Wilbur Ross's letter and emails to the and the Department of Justice lawyers to the judge fake news. Yeah. So Wednesday, the judge was like, all right, fuckers. We have to have a conference call. So we had a call with the lawyers right before the 4th of July and a third of July from the lawyers from both sides. And he decided everyone had until Friday at two. Fine, but lays on both sides. To either offer a schedule for continuing

the Maryland lawsuit or shut up. Yeah, right, basically. We have to settle this Friday too. All this is happening with a July first deadline to start printing the census, by the way, lest they imperil the schedule of the census itself. Then we learn, Trump says he's thinking of using an executive order to get the citizenship question on the census.

Friday at two, both parties submitted filings. They submitted their filings. The Department of Justice filing is stupid. It's not definitive. They just repeat that they've been asked to reevaluate all available options for Trump. We're trying to figure out a new reason. Yeah, it's like stalling. We have a plan to have a plan.

This is my professional report. And once we come up with a new reason, we'll let you know. That is the dumbest thing. And then if the Commerce Secretary Ross adopts a new reason for adding the question, that would be a new final agency action and the groups that sued before would be entitled to challenge it. So the lower court injunction blocking the citizenship question remains in place. Yeah. And this is basically what happens when you lose. For sure. It just goes back back down, right? He doesn't want to say we give up and we

lose. He's coming back and saying, we might come up with a whole new suit later and we'll file it at that time. Everyone gets to do that, but loses. Like you aren't special. Exactly. You dumbass. But when they said they wouldn't interfere

with Mueller's hearing, it's like you can't. You idiot. You know, like thanks, Sekulow. We're not gonna try to block this. Oh, well, that's good. So generous of you. Yeah. So the lower court injunction blocking the question remains in place. And the census is printing

forms without it. Or they say, okay, the plaintiffs filing the our side, asked to move forward with discovery regarding the equal protection civil rights claim that the newly found huffler files should be considered. And they don't want to wait for the administration to decide if they have a new reason. Right. And the DOJ filed a thing against that saying, we disagree with that. It would be premature and inefficient to do this,

to let them continue with discovery on this idea before we decide what we're gonna do. What? The judge said, fuck you, discovery can continue. You shut up. If you come up with a reason, file it and other, I don't fuck care. Nice. Good luck. Have a meeting. Yeah. I'm paraphrasing. Notably missing from the Department of Justice filing is any sort of timeline for the review of adopting a new rationale. No timeline, just whenever we want. But there is a 25-day clock ticking since the SCOTUS decision

on 627 to ask for a rehearing. Oh. So they only have 25 days after June 27th. And also missing is the mention of a possible executive order that Trump floated, or the quote, four or five ways Trump suggested might be on the table. Sneaking it in like, he's gonna, like, sneak into the factory. You just start like, you're trying to get him in. We have four or five other ways. He's on the printer's at home. He had the White House just printing out his racist and says, such an asshole. So Trump at this time is still trying to get his way, saying he'll evaluate all the options. Though Judge Hazel did order, like I said, discovery can go ahead with regards to considering

in a half-huller evidence, despite the Trump administration's request to delay it pending their feelings about some things. So that's what's going on. Yeah, wow, we're on the brink of a Supreme Court decision being defied. I know. For racism once again.

I'm sort of excited. I hate that it's about racism. It's just about putting a time out. I dare you to defy a Supreme Court order. And then I dare you the Senate to acquit him. Exactly. On that. Yeah.

Show everyone your truest color. Because they've seen him be, you know, a rapist. They've seen him be like all the things. I'm almost like, yeah. I'm doing it. Right. I'm doing this. Right. I'm with you. I am Cornolio.

I would defy your scotas butthole. I have no idea what I'm talking about. I love it. You're in D&D mode. Sort of. I dig it. All right guys, you ready for sabotage? Oh yeah.

All right guys, biggest news of the week, the thing that made me the happiest in months. We got word Saturday night that the feds in the Southern District of New York have arrested Jeffrey Epstein, and he will be a reigned and federal court in New York on Monday on charges that he molested dozens of underage girls in New York and Florida. It may seem molested when it was rape, but I'm glad they're even calling him out. We don't know what the charges are right now, and in fact, they need to actually be new charges because you can't bring him up on the old charges because he was acquitted of those charges, or at least a deal was made on those charges. Oh, thank you for cleaning that up. I always convinced that it's rolled over,

but these are the counter charges after other charges. I think they must be. They might not be the rape charges that were previously listed. It might be other rape charges. Okay. They only brought, you know, a cost only brought a handful when the FBI had dozens of women. Absolutely. So maybe the FBI sucks trafficking, because there's no statute of limitations on sex trafficking for federal crime.

So maybe they said, when we have all these other other witnesses and now they're bringing charges on everything. Right. And I'm glad this happened even when a cost is in charge of sex trafficking, they still were able to do this. So the FBI is independent of a cost as the department of what. Yes. And what you're talking about is a cost. Alex Acosta is the person who was the US attorney in Florida gave Epstein this deal. Yeah. In 2007, by the way. so if any Trump supporters come out and say, the deal was made under Obama and Mueller let it happen. And Lynch, asshole.

Yeah. First of all, Loretta Lynch wasn't, she wasn't the AG until 2015. Then you did. I'm lying. Obama was certainly not president in 2007. The where was he at Katrina? Exactly.

So just don't even just don't entertain that. Just go, you know, times linear, bro. 2007, the where was he at Katrina? Exactly. So just don't even just don't entertain that. Just go, you know, times linear, bro, 2007. Really? We need t-shirts. Time's linear, bro. Time is linear. Apparently, Obama's been president forever. Yeah.

Definitely. Donald Trump. But what you're talking about here is that Acosta, who was that attorney general, gave him this sweetheart deal where he didn't really have to go to jail. It was like an in and out thing. He never really went. Slap on the wrist. Yeah.

And he made it so that when he pleaded guilty to these charges, he only pleaded guilty to one charge and they made that the one charge a 16 year old so that he did not have to register as a sex trader. Oh my goodness. Yeah. Even though there were multiple. Under eight. Fourteen years.

Fourteen years. Yes. They picked up all under olds, but he wouldn't have to do this totally. And now Acosta is Trump's labor secretary. He is in the cabinet right now And so many people don't know about this but when they hear about it, they lose their fucking minds Yeah, yeah, so this is all according this news this reporting is according to sources who spoke to the daily beast And the Miami Herald we have to hand it to them for doing this reporting for years and being on top of this and NBC New York is now And Washington Post everyone's they're starting to cover because of the arrest yeah corroborating is been for so long

i'm just glad it's finally happening and this comes to weeks after the justice department announced it would not throw out his two thousand eight non-possication agreement this is bars justice department saying we're not throwing out the non-possication agreement his little deal and even though a federal judge ruled it was illegal yeah where does he was arrested saturday night by fby pursuant to a sealed indictment that will be unsealed on Monday? Which is weird to me like they didn't unseal it immediately which makes me think they think there could be other arrests

So his bail hearing is Monday and that's crucial because sources have told the Miami Herald that he's let out on bail He'll disappear. He will. He'll be able to space man, goodbye. He's ghosting. Yeah. So a constant, in my opinion, must now resign. This is the guy who is the labor secretary currently in charge of sex trafficking. Got a good job. A good job.

Sex trafficking. But I'm sure Trump has nothing to do with it. Obama was the president. That's how people get the job for Trump. He's like, can you fuck up this department the best? He didn't get secretary of the army. Exactly. So there's several big names that could be involved with this, including Alan Dershowitz, like you said, Bill Clinton. Yes. Yes. Back to him. Take him. To be wrapped up in this and I'm fine. Yes. Prince Andrew.

That is sad. That is really sad. And Trump himself, who owned a modeling agency for what? Oh, trafficking women. Perhaps, yeah. And then when I think of the children missing at the border, I'm like, what the fuck is going on? Yeah, that's extra gross. Yeah, that's like a whole different bean situation there. That is super gross beans. And that's messed up. Yeah, yeah. But they're all in power. They're in control of these things. And they're all fucking pedophiles.

They're all discussed. Yeah. They all come from Christian family values. Oh, of course, yeah. So anyway, we'll let you know Monday night during our daily update for patrons We do a daily update every day and they're so far We'll talk about a lot of things there like jokes and stuff I never make it to the main show so people should check it out Yeah, and we'll see how it shakes out and we're definitely gonna talk about that on the Monday It might be a good time to become a patron. I think so with the video feed. I'm gonna watch myself the webcam coming

Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna go home and just watch. And out free daily beans. We're just gonna be gonna be... Fun time, man. It's a pride season for San Diego. Pride, yeah. Just be proud and become a patron. Hell yes. And speaking of indictments, are you ready for the fantasy indictment leave? Yes. I'm gonna be a dentist. No, it is gonna be okay. I'm gonna be a dinosaur! No it is gonna be okay. Cunning dick. And diner! Cunning dick! Cunning dick! I told you they can't, it's gonna be okay.

Just calm down. I can't calm down, I'm gonna be a dinosaur! Alright, just me and you. Who? Alright. Cool extra picks. Anyway, if anyone had Jeffrey Epstein, go ahead and give yourself a point. Because moving forward, any indictment that involves in any way the Trump administration is going to count since we can't really know what was handed off by Muller

because it's all redacted. So any indictment involving the Trump administration is on the table for the fantasy indictment leave. Going forward now and on into the daily beans. So anyway, it's going to count. I dig it. I wish I would have thought of him because he was long overdue, but honestly, I didn't think they were going to succeed in getting him so soon. I'm like so stoked about it. I was it. I wish I would have thought of him because he was long overdue, but I honestly, I didn't think they were going to

succeeding getting him so soon. I'm like so stoked about it. I was shocked. It was like, yeah, that's crazy. Really great night. Yeah, everyone was talking about it. He was trending. Yeah. So Titsimagi was supposed to go first this week, but she's on vacation. So I get to go first and I picked the Trump foundation because of Trump's Twitter tantrum about New York AG. That's good. Tish, James this week, a lot of people confused that with the Epstein thing because the Epstein thing is federal.

It's Southern District in New York. Oh, that's pardonable. It's a pardonable crime. I was going to say I thought that was a state thing. OK. And Cuomo hasn't signed that law yet that says New York and double-jabrying the exemption for presidential pardons.

He should, though. And he'd like, we found out last week with Harry litman. He said it's the pardon that's the trigger. So that's post facto only happens with a pardon and we're still a long way away from that. So there's time but I'm going with the Trump foundation because there's something going on. I mean clearly those beans are brewing. I'm going to go with Korsi. Oh nice. He's such a bothole with his thing. A-po-a-po anal opening. I'm gonna go with Dershowitz.

Oh yeah, that was gonna be my pick. That's fair. I will take Brody's gross ass. Brody? Brody my ex. They're ex-poss- Yeah. Oh lord.

All right, I'm gonna go with... Super seating manifold indictments. Smart. I'll take Eric Prince. Yeah. I'm gonna go with Ken Downing, Manifort's lawyer. I think he's gonna be slapped with a contempt charge. I will do Trump org.

I did Trump. No, I did Trump. I did Trump founding. Yeah, there's so many, right? Three. Yeah, okay, and I'm doing the inaugural. Okay. What? Nice, and and I think let's see

one, two, three, four. So this is your last one. Yeah okay. And that was my last one. That was yeah with my fast. Where you still like, I take that back then. That's my last one. I want stone. Super seating stone. You got it. Thank you. Better pick. I will do it inaugural. Thank you. And we are done. All right cool guys. That's the fantasy and diamond league. If you want to play joining the closed Facebook group you just have to become a patron. You already know how to do that. Guys, we'll be right back. Hey guys, Summer is here, and I just started using the amazing

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He spent 30 years as a federal prosecutor with the DC US Attorney's Office, and he spent a lot of time working with Mueller. So please welcome Glenn Kirschner. Glenn, thanks for coming on Mueller, she wrote. Thanks for having me, appreciate it. Yeah, we're so happy to have you on because we want to get some expert insight into Mueller before his upcoming testimony to the House Judiciary

and Intelligence Committees. I think it's about in 10 days from the airing of this episode. And those of us who are keenly familiar with what's in his report and have been following this all along probably aren't going to learn anything new and might be slightly feeling disappointed with his testimony, but that's not really what makes this appearance so important is it? No, I mean, there's been so much disinformation put into the public square by Trump, by bar,

by all of their enablers that I think part of what we're, part of the reason Bob Mueller's testimony is going to be so important. It's not only to bring to the public's attention his findings, It's not only to bring to the public's attention his findings, particularly with respect to the many felony obstruction of justice offenses Trump committed, but it's going to be hopefully to rebut the epic disinformation campaign that Trump and company have been waging against the American people with their very effective mantra, no obstruction, no collusion. Hopefully, Bob Mueller will find some ways, and hopefully Congress will come up with some pointed, precise questions to help Bob Mueller find some ways to combat that disinformation campaign. Yeah, and that's all, yeah, thanks to attorney general William Barr, who's four page, quote,

unquote, summary of Mueller's findings. Sort of totally misled the public. We saw that woman in the Justin Amosch rally saying, gosh, I had no idea there wasn't anything about Trump that was negative. Or there was anything negative in the Mueller report about Trump. So it's, I think that that's kind of why this testimony is so important. And Mueller has said that his report is his testimony. And he warned that he won't talk about anything that's not in his report.

But as you were just indicating, do you think if, if the questions are asked properly, that he might answer some of the critical outstanding questions we have, like, was there actually no collusion or no obstruction, or if the president weren't the president, would he be indicted? I guess my inclination is when Bob Mueller says, my report is my testimony, he means it, but he is a by the book guy law and order. He's a rule follower. So I actually think what you referenced a minute ago when Bill Barr issued his misleading summary of Mueller's report. It really cut against Pob Mueller's grain to issue a

written rebuttal of that and say, Hey, look, Barr, you mischaracterized my findings and conclusions, and you're misleading the public, cut it out. That is unlike Bob Mueller because he's sort of the king of circumspection, but he's also a soldier. In the middle, I used to be an army Jag in the 80s. We are taught that you have to number one, obey a lawful order, but number two, you have to disobey an unlawful order.

And sometimes those two things bump up against one another. But going back to your question, I think if the questions are precise enough, then Mueller will have to answer some things even if they are somewhat outside of his report. So for example, one of the questions I would ask him is, look, special counsel Mueller, you've heard President Trump say over and over again, your investigation found no obstruction. I would ask him is, look, special counsel Mueller, you've heard President Trump say over and over again, your investigation found no obstruction.

Is that true or false? I think if he's answering, even within the four corners of his 448-48 page report, the answer is that is false. Our investigation did not find no obstruction. Same question with respect to collusion. So I think if craft did properly, I hate to say some of this is an exercise in getting some usable sound bites from Bob Mueller, but here's what I would do. If you can get those sound bites where Mueller says definitively, no, we did not find no obstruction.

We did not find no collusion. Then I think it's on the media. Every time they broadcast Trump or Barr, as they do a thousand times a day saying no obstruction, no collusion, they should be obliged to put up immediately after that. That is false, says Bob Mueller. So I hate to say it's an exercise in debunking this information, but because the lies got a several week head start coming out of Barr's mouth, the truth has forever been playing catch up and has not been catching up all that effectively. Yeah, totally. And you mentioned Mueller writing that scathing, maybe not scathing to us, but scathing to Mueller, that letter to bar about him and apparently it was one of a couple of

letters he wrote before the before the report was released to Congress and the public. How important is it because we read in the threat by andy macaque that when somebody like muller particularly you know mr. circumspect goes to paper like that it means a lot more than someone else just you know sending a reply on twitter writing a letter so how important is it that he went to paper on that and also made his ten minute public statement? I wasn't expecting either of those things from him. Yeah, writing a rebuttal to the attorney general who technically at that moment was still Bob Mueller's boss was, you know, I'm going to say out of character for Mueller. I mean,

ordinarily what we would do under those circumstances, if we had a dispute in our chain of command, we would go behind closed doors with our boss and we would say, hey, boss, I've got some real concerns here, but I think Mueller recognized how high the stakes were and he also recognized how dangerous bars mischaracterization was and that it was done, I think, with, I'm going to say, evil intent, and Mueller felt compelled to put in writing his rebuttal and his correction of what Barr said. So, I think for him, that was difficult, but necessary. And, you know And I appreciate that Mueller said, listen, I'm gonna stay within the four corners of my report. The problem is, once he raises his right hand

and swears to tell the truth, he will have to answer questions that are sort of proper questions in that they don't violate grand jury secrecy rules, so they wouldn't require him to disclose matters that are before the grand jury or compromise ongoing investigations. So I think those are two areas where he can decline to answer

because those are legitimate reasons to decline to answer those questions. Beyond that, if there are questions that are posed that require him to go beyond the four corners of the report, he's raised his hand and sworn to tell the whole truth, he's gonna have to answer those questions. As long as they are sort of properly phrased, my concern is that the Republicans are gonna wanna ask him

about dossiers and spying on the Trump campaign as a distraction. And the Democrats may want to push Mueller well beyond the report to a place he's not comfortable going, like if the president were a private citizen, wouldn't you have indicted him for obstruction of justice? I can tell you as a career prosecutor, the answer is, oh, hell, yes. But I don't know the Mueller will answer that question because of the way he has already signaled that, listen, the criminal justice system is not the place to formally accuse a sitting

president of crimes. That place is the Congress. And, you know, basically Mueller's report was an impeachment referral, plain and simple. How Congress hasn't gotten that or why they are declining to open impeachment hearings has me scratching my big bald head every day. Yeah, us too, believe me. And, you know, something like the question of if he were a private citizen, would you and died him? I'm, I'm, I'm almost sure, and I haven't worked with Mueller's at all, but I, I just imagine him saying, I'm not going to answer any hypothetical questions.

But is anyone actually consulting the Democrats on how to ask Mueller these questions because I think that's very important. I assume so, but I don't know it as a matter of fact. I think you should. I think you should. And I think David Priest should probably get in there and who briefed him on a daily basis. Be like, all right, here's how you ask Bob Mueller questions. And here's what he won't answer. I'm hoping they have some good consultants in that vein. But you had mentioned the Republicans, and we know from public reporting already, the Republicans are planning on attacking Mueller. How do you think?

I'm very interested to see how he responds to questions or at least statements that aren't questions. You know how they do that? That wasn't a question from folks like Jim Jordan and Matt Gaetz and Devon Nunez and Louis Gomer, who I don't consider to be very intelligent. Yeah, I mean, those men are a little more than gum on the bottom of Bob Mueller's shoe. He will be unflinching in the way he deals with their nonsense and shenanigans, which is all it's going to be. It so reminds me of when I was basically trial court prosecutor for 30 years, and I would have defense attorneys who would cross examine my witnesses about everything other than

the facts of what they saw. That's what these Republicans are going to do. They're going to talk to Bob Mueller about everything other than the fact that Bob Mueller found extreme coordination between the Trump campaign and the Russians in volume one and ten or eleven instances of obstruction of justice by the president of the United States in volume two. I would bet that the Republicans aren't going to ask him a single question about those topics. Yeah, no, I doubt it myself. And I imagine he just simply won't entertain shenanigans, as you said. He doesn't seem like a shenanigan entertainer.

So this is all Congress. You know, this is all the stuff that's going on in Congress. And as you mentioned, they still have an open and impeachment inquiry, which I think would benefit them in trying to get these materials and that they need and the testimonimony's they need at least speed it up through the courts uh... as muller clearly gave them a map to do but right now

there's a potential for the trump administration to defy a supreme court decision if they aren't already by trip by trying to add a citizenship question to the census and i was wondering what role you think the judiciary could potentially take in saving our asses versus Congress? Yeah, well thank goodness the state of our judiciary remains strong because it may be our last hope if Congress sort of remains as timid as Congress has been thus far. Now let me tell you, before I move on to the judiciary, I hope Congress has a plan.

I hope Nancy Pelosi and company have a plan. And I keep hoping for something good to happen. And I keep being disappointed, but I can't help but wonder what it is that was collected up as a result of the counterintelligence investigation. Maybe there is still something big coming that is going to make 10 counts of obstruction of justice by the president look like J. Walking Offenses. I don't know. Maybe there's something holding Pelosi and company back that is going to actually be so much bigger than the Mueller report, and that's why they are hesitating. But be that as it may. I think the courts have shown us over and over again that they are, perhaps, our last best

hope at making sure this is going to sound ridiculously hyperbolic, but that our republic survives. Because every time a consequential issue has now made its way into the courts, whether it was the sort of lawfulness of congressional subpoenas issued for Trump's banking records and financial records. We saw Judge Maita in the DC Federal District Court. He's an old, not old, he's young, but he's a former public defender in my backyard in the DC courts. He's a very strong judge and a very strong lawyer and a very strong person. And, you know, he took the administration to task when Trump's lawyers stood up and said, yeah, the house has no right to issue these subpoenas for my records.

You know, Judge Mehta knocked that down at light speed. So the courts are doing the right thing. They can do the right thing quickly. We saw that again with Judge Raymos in New York in similar litigation over the subpoenas for financial records from Deutsche Bank and Cap One. For the president, the president's lawyers went down in flames very quickly in that one. And I know they're appealing and it's still ongoing, but the courts can move quickly and efficiently

and the courts still care deeply about the rule of law, and most judges care deeply about governmental misconduct. I was in the courtroom when Judge Sullivan, whom I litigated before when I was a prosecutor in DC, took Flynn's lawyers to task. I mean, that was a thing of beauty to watch, and it gave me patriotic goosebumps because it's like the courts still care. And I think they can move these things through the courts pretty quickly once the house starts filing, you know, actions to enforce these subpoenas for tax returns and what have you.

You know, when we look back, we can see that there is a precedent for the courts to move quickly, you know, back during Watergate when Jaworski issued a subpoena for Nixon tapes, I think he issued it in April of 74, and the Supreme Court got it. It worked its way up through the federal system, and they resolved it in July of 74, unanimously against the president and in favor of the enforceability of the subpoena. You know, now these are different times, but I do think the courts know what's at stake, and I think the courts can and will move these things through quickly once Congress begins a steady stream of filing, you know, actions to support these subpoenas and enforce these

subpoenas. Yeah, exactly. And you're right. There's so much that's unknown, you know, as I'm working my way or work my way through reading the Mueller report very carefully, I know Mueller set up front that, hey, there's a lot of evidence we couldn't get because people lied to us, people destroyed evidence, people used encrypted apps, people, you know, et cetera, et cetera. And I think he was mostly talking about seemingly man-affort at that point who breached his plea agreement. And I'm wondering, and I don't see any redactions for harm to an ongoing matter in the manifort section in volume

one, but what happens when you breach your plea agreement, all those crimes that you would have been charged with, I would think you would be charged with after you breach your plea agreement. And I don't see any of that, all of his lies, and any coordination or any, but he said that he didn't have evidence or couldn't establish evidence or find enough evidence to charge these as a grander conspiracy. But what happens to all of those charges

that Manifort was forgiven because he was cooperating after he stopped cooperating? And I just don't see it anywhere. Maybe it's in the counterintelligence stuff but it's it seems to be missing to me yes or ordinarily when a cooperator falls from grace and we uh... withdraw from the plea agreement we we are free to charge any crimes that we decided against charging or we

agreed not to charge in light of the cooperation but there's a second issue that we always have to confront under those circumstances, and it's the sort of the time and the resources and the energy that we would have to put into prosecuting somebody who has already been convicted a couple of times over serving seven plus years about to be prosecuted by the state of New York, hopefully successfully, and put another

number of years on top of his head. Do we want to gear up for another prosecution that's going to take a whole team of FBI agents and prosecutors away from what they're doing, which is hopefully going after other wrongdoers? So, it doesn't shock me that we didn't, you know, sort of launch into new charges against Manafort because he breached his play agreement. You know, that's always, it's a challenging issue to confront when, you know, I always said that we are the federal government.

I was the federal government when I was a federal prosecutor, but believe it or not, we still had limited resources. We had limited number of prosecutors. We had a limited amount of time to bring charges against a whole lot of criminals. So it's not always easy to bring every charge. You would like to bring in a perfect world. Yeah, no, it just seems like these are specifically unique

circumstances to which I think the public's right to know about those crimes that could have included coordination or conspiracy might have just been decided not to be prosecuted in favor of the fact that he's probably already going to jail for the rest of his life. You know what I mean? It's like, yeah, but these just seem like unusual circumstances to me.

I know, and it sure seems like, you know, I was a very aggressive prosecutor. I also like to think I aggressively protected the rights of every defendant that I prosecuted by making sure that I was, you know, abiding by the rules and the law and, you know, holding, for example, if there was police work that was inappropriate and that may have violated a defendant's rights, well, it was my job to step in remedy it, turn it over to the defense and dismiss a case if it was that dramatic a violation of a defense rights.

And I did that when I was chief of homicide in DC on a number of occasions. But I hesitate to say this because Bob Mueller taught me how to be a federal slash homicide prosecutor when he was my chief at the US attorney's office in DC. But it's hard for me to conceive of how there is no larger conspiracy charge for everything we learned about what Manifort did, what gates did, sharing polling data with Kalimnik and and rolling into that the Trump tower meeting with the Russians and Don Jr.'s participation and all of the 140-plus contacts that Bob Mueller laid out in volume one. I understand if you're going to go after the king, you got to kill the king, but boy,

it sure looks like a conspiracy that many prosecutors could bring and many juries would convict on. Again, I don't want a second guest, Bob Mueller. I always trusted his judgment before. So, you know, we have to live with the decisions he made. Yeah, it's weird. At least if we knew why, but I suppose saying, well, we were going to charge him with all these other crimes, but we don't have the resources or we, he's already going to jail, that's gonna taint any future jury. You can't just come out and say those kind of things, but it would be irresponsible.

But yeah, just like you were saying, the conversations in that August 3rd meeting with Manifort, where he discussed the three specific states, four specific states, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, with Kalimnik, and gave him the polling data. And then it just so happens, Trump won by 80,000 votes in those three states to steal the electoral college. And it just, like, what key piece of evidence is missing to not be able to tie those together?

I feel you on that. So, but it is interesting. And I do trust Mueller's judgment. There has to be a reason I can't find it in the declinations. But, you know, we'll see. I mean, maybe there's, like you said, more out there that we just don't know about yet. Yeah, there are 14 referrals.

I think a couple of them are cases and the others are pending investigations to several US attorney's offices. Now, unfortunately, they are still sort of at the whim of a bill bar because there are various US attorney's offices. But, you know, at least they are still sort of at the whim of a bill bar because there are various US Attorney's offices, but at least they are out there and hopefully they are moving forward. And as hard as it is for us to take a wait and see approach given what we're experiencing every day by a runaway president, we unfortunately are going to have to wait and see what those

other 14 matters, what is produced by those. Yeah, definitely. And then hopefully we'll get some counterintelligence information from Schiff and the Intel committee, but probably nothing of substance that we can look at as citizens, but, you know, maybe in 30 or 40 years, they'll declassify all of it. All right, well, thank you so much. A formal, formal federal prosecutor, DC Chief of Homicide, Army veteran. Thank you for your service and MSNBC Legal Analyst, Glenn Kirschner. Glenn, thanks for coming on Mueller, she wrote.

Thanks for having me. Appreciate it. All right, guys, that's our show. Again, Jordan sends her love. And we send her our love to get well soon. And she is Tits McGee. She's on vacation. I can't wait to go to Philly.

It's gonna be so cool. At U-Pin, I'm so stoked to see everybody and have our little meet and greet the next day. And then the Lion King comes out on the 19th. We'll have a full week there. That's gonna kill me. I know. It's gonna kill me.

It's a lot of, a lot of feels. It's gonna make it happen. Yeah. That was a huge movie for me when I was a kid. Yeah, yeah, same. I think everybody fills that about the Lion King. It's like such a classic. And when I say I was a kid I was 19. I feel you know, no, I get it.

Yeah, I'm excited for all the shows. I felt like a kid until seriously two years ago. Yeah, I still do. It's totally fine. I would as well. And so when we have Philly the 17th, Muller's testimony, and then the meet and greet on the 18th, they're going to send you that information, patrons, by the way, you get a special deal where we're going to actually be viewing the Mueller testimony at the Annembourg school. And if you're a ticketed patron to the Philly show and you're coming to meet and greet, you can come watch the testimony with us the day before the show. It's so fun.

Right? Yeah, yeah, and everything. We got Seattle, San Fran, we got Boston, we got a lot of shows. Yeah, San Francisco is going to be awesome. Absolutely. And also joining us in Philly is Andrew Torres from Opening Arguments.

Yeah, it's a love kind of fest. And joining us in Chicago, July 27th, Ronaldo, Marriotti. Hell yeah. And also it's just Chicago. I'm going to have to try to meet John Q. Sack. You know that. Yeah, we're going to stonk him. We're going to find out. I'm just going to try to meet John Qsac. You know that.

Yeah, we're gonna stonk him. We're gonna find out. I'm just gonna have to like walk around with a boom box. We'll keep you guys posted. I'll be up in the air. Maybe he'll just walk out. And the bean, the Chicago bean was vandalized. I hope they cleaned it up before we get there.

Oh, we'll clean it. We can clean it. We'll make it happen. Well, the bean fundraiser. But I will just walk around with a boom box. John Qsac will just appear from behind the bean wearing a trench coat. Oh, this beautiful doll comes together.

Doing karate, kickboxing. What did he say? I don't want to sell or buy anything produced. I don't want to buy or produce anything sold. And I don't want to produce or sell anything bought. He's such an interesting man. I want to give him bucks. And I want to date your daughter, sir.

It's just fantastic. Yeah, he's always getting to share on Twitter. What an independent mind that is. He does right. He's always a shit starter. He's a shitster. That's his profession. Yeah and I appreciate it gross point blank. Guys have a very safe and wonderful week. Patrons will talk to you tomorrow and we're gonna find out what's going on. Hell yeah. With all this shit. With the upsides. My favorite news of the week. I'm really stoked And it sucks that we're at this point where that's what we have to look forward to but I mean hey I'm in this place. It's so when it feels good the world is like this

We can't really you know change it So nice better from now on that somebody who has been arrested by the Southern District of New York and important to note It was the public corruption unit that did this case not the sex crimes unit Which means it has to do with public government officials. Whoa. What? Oh my goodness. Yeah.

Yeah, take Bill. You can have him. I don't repeat that. Fine. Just please. Take him. Don't even argue with me. You love balloons. Just all you have to do is like, take Bill.

You just have to walk out with a bunch of balloons and he'll follow you. Yeah. And he'll be like, oh, she had to know this was coming. I will never blame Hillary for it. Unless she covered it up, but I don't think she, I mean, I never had evidence of that. But Bill would like to vote for her. Exactly. And I will vote again for her. And she covered it up, I don't think she, I mean, I never had evidence of that, but Bill and herself. I don't like her, but I voted for her. Exactly, and I will vote again for her.

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