Jack - Kushner’s Role in Firing Comey

Episode Date: November 28, 2017

On this week’s episode of “Mueller, She Wrote” A.G., Jaleesa, and Jordan discuss the upcoming Hope Hicks testimony, Jared Kushner’s role in the firing of James Comey, and more!

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And they still have time for other songs. They're fooling around. Who can stop? They might be giants and their liberal rocket gender. Who? No one. This had to stay forward forward somebody else's money. So to be clear, Mr. Trump has no financial relationships with any Russian oligarchs.

That's what he said. That's what I said. That's obviously what our position is. I'm not aware of any of those activities. I have been called a surrogate at a time or two in that campaign. And I didn't have, not have, communications at the Russians. What do I have to get involved with Putin for? I have nothing to do with Putin. I've never spoken to him. I don't know anything about a mother than he will respect me.

Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30-year-old I've never spoken to him. I don't know anything about a mother than he will respect me. Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. So, it is political. You're a communist! No, Mr. Green. Communism is just a red herring. Like all members of the oldest profession I'm a capitalist. Hello, welcome to Mueller, she wrote, I'm AG, I have to go by AG because of the hatch act, I work for the federal government and I've got some ethics and I'm not allowed to tie myself to political discussions or use my title or my poll with the federal government in, you know, kind of selling myself.

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to let you know. You obviously found where we were because you're listening to us now. So this is probably not directed at you. Tell your friends. You know all the people who are wondering you know running around screaming how do I get that podcast I've lost it. You can tell them that you know that because you're here you're here now so thank you for tuning in. We really appreciate it. Please subscribe so that you can get updates on when these episodes drop. So this week in just the facts, my cats are having some input. Do you want to go in on this Bruce Willis? His name's Bruce Willis. Do you have anything else to say? I didn't think so. Go to your room. So just the facts. This was a pretty slow week, probably the slowest week so far since the Manafort Gates

indictment in Russian news. There's still plenty to go over. In fact, we're not going to be able to get to the making of an American Nazi article that I wanted to touch on, but we'll probably get to that next week. But there was enough to fill up some time, and we'll start that with just the facts. So it came out this week that when Kushner was forwarding his WikiLeaks emails, one of the people he forwarded them to was Hope Hicks. That could mean Hope has already had her interview or been interviewed. Now that's theory.

The fact of this week is that we found out Kushner forwarded these WikiLeaks emails to Hope Hicks. So when I remember when the Senate Judiciary Committee sent letters to Kushner saying, remember when we asked you to give us all your stuff, things are missing and we know they're missing because other parties have turned them in. That potentially means, and now we're going back into theory land, that hope Hicks had turned over these documents already or has been interviewed by the Senate Judiciary or by Mueller, and they know that this email is missing from Kushner's bundle of emails that he sent over and why they are just so idiotic in continuing to not disclose shit about Russia, blows my fucking mind. Like, this is the one thing that they're looking at. We ask you for these things,

and the things that you continue to hide, like registering your fairer document for being a foreign agent to Russia or Turkey, the things that we keep asking you for, you keep emitting Russia shit. And that, I'm sorry, doesn't make you look good. Not that much could, but seriously. So that came out this week. So there's a lot we can we can go into a lot of theories about what that

the effect of that could be, but the truth is is the Kushner we found out. Kushner was forwarding those wiki leagues emails to Hope Hicks. The truth is, is that Kushner, we found out Kushner was forwarding those wiki league's emails to Hope Hicks. She's one of the people in the upper circle of the campaign that was receiving those emails. We also learned that the quote, Russian backdoor overture, unquote, Kushner was referring to in his emails was Alexander Torshin. He's the deputy head of the Russian central bank. He's interesting. Maybe. Hmm.

Small positionally. I might know Putin, maybe not. Why so many Russians? Also, and the legend member of the Russian mafia, you guys. So we learn that. And I will say I will be clear that his mafia ties are a legend. Much like Frank Sinatra's. We also learn this week that Mueller's investigation is exempt from FOIA requests. I didn't know that. That's not

really a fact that came out this week. It's just something I learned that I wanted to share with you guys. You cannot make FOIA requests of an ongoing criminal investigation. What is a FOIA? Freedom of information. Okay. That's important because we also learned that Mueller is now investigating Kushner's role in the firing of Comey. And Julius is going to talk more about that in a little bit. Oh, Jordan's going to talk about Kushner's role. That's right. All women sound like that. I'm gonna be like, fuck, there's, turn it off. No, we're listening to this again. Oh, why?

It's not like me. How can we believe we're on Russia? So, okay, so the important part about, or why it was important that I learned that you can't make a FOIA request of an investigation is that a FOIA request that was made by a journalist in 2015 asking why Flynn was fired by Obama as the head of the Defense Intelligence Agency was answered this week. Wow. Two years. Yes. Because this guy, this journalist wanted to find out why Flynn was fired as head of the

defense intelligence agency. So he put in a FOIA request for why. He got an answer this week. We are unable to respond because it's part of an ongoing criminal investigation. So Mueller is looking into Flynn's time under Obama as the DIA. Oh snap. That's, yeah, it's interesting. Yeah, quite, quite. So if any of those left Obama type indictments or issues happen, it could be being surrounding Flynn in the DIA position. Obama fired him.

Yeah, so. And then he immediately went back to work for Kaspersky, and he started taking money from Russia again. Wow. So that's interesting. He didn't waste any time. No, right back to it. Also, this week, the Independent UK reported on 1123

that a US intelligence official told Israel that Russia has leverage over Trump and he told him this back after the election but before Trump took office. Okay. An intelligence official, a US intelligence official, told Israel, don't trust Trump. Russia has leverage over Trump. Okay. We don't know why.

We don't know if it's part of the stuff that was in the steel dossier or how they knew they had Compromot or compromising intelligence on Trump, but they did and and that's what the US intelligence Officer told Israel Prior again prior to Trump taking office, but after he was elected Interesting. He proved them right. Do you guys remember this when he was in the Oval Office talking to Kislyak and the other Russian dude and United States reporters were not allowed in the Oval Office for that meeting. I remember that Russian reporters. The media, they were recording machine in there. Yeah, and it was the day after he fired Komi and he told them I

got rid of Komi. That's right. I had pressure on Russia now. I don't. And Russia told us. And basically, yeah, Russia told us. We learned from it, Russia, Russian. Yeah, Russia told us we learned from it Russia Russian troll media And he said and he called Komean nut job Right, well, he also in that meeting lead to kissley a Israeli deep ops information of think about they had gone into Israel, I don't I can't remember what they call their special ops. It's something badass But they had done this really like idea. Yeah, it's it's attached to that

they had done this Black ops secret thing where they intelligence Intel thing where they went into Syria and they got to like found that these guys were making laptops Into bombs that could get through airport security. Oh, wow. And Trump got that intelligence, and then Trump shared that intelligence with Russia. Just a brag, right? Well, just to be like, I get the best intelligence. They tell me important things.

Caisy. And that was, and he told, that's old news. Right, right. That is old news. But the new news this week is that the US intelligence official told Israel that Warren, Israel, that Russia had dirt on Trump. So how does he know that? Where is he getting that?

Is he cooperating with a new investigation? That official? Like who is that official? Yeah, who is that? I'm sure it's part of one of our intelligence agencies, and I'm sure that he's also given a statement. I don't see why he or she, and I'm sure that he's also given a statement. I don't see why he or she wouldn't. Yeah.

So that's also very interesting. Also, we learn Muleer is investigating Bijan Keon, who worked with Flynn and Flynn's son in Flynn's Intel group. Both Keon and Flynn, those are the two dudes who had to retroactively register his foreign agents for Turkey after Flynn got fired. They went back and refiled their paper, we're like, sorry we left that out.

So Mueller is investing in Bijon Kion. So I don't know if that's just got anything to do with more on the Turkey side, but we'll see. It's a Thanksgiving special. Happy turkey day. Ty Cobb, who by the way looks like a slave owner. He's Trump's attorney. Have you seen this guy? He's got like the curly mustache. Oh yeah. Silverhand. Excuse me. Oh, oh. Oh, oh. Was he the lawyer, that hired a lawyer? Yeah, I think so. But he looks like he should have a monocle.

Oh, definitely, yeah. She's like one of those fucking guys. He said that this week that Trump is not gonna pay for Flynn's legal bills. And this was kind of a big deal because Trump had kind of left it out there floating like maybe I'll pay for you, little. And this was kind of a big deal because Trump had kind of left it out there floating like Maybe a wall and so Flan is like do I talk do I not talk do I not do I not talk if I talk

He's not gonna pay my legal bills if I don't talk maybe he'll pay my legal bills the crushing debt of these legal bills that could He's not a rich dude flan. No, Oh, that's why he's the 15 million. He was going to use that to get away. He didn't do it. Yeah. He needed that 15 million, right? But Trump was kind of holding that over his head this whole time. Like, I'm not going to tell you if I'm in the plane.

Right. He already said he wasn't paying for pop-up offices. And he already said he wasn't paying for somebody else as I can't remember who. But that he said he might pay for some white house AIDS staffers and Flynn was a staffer. Yeah, but he might not. He was just kind of like out of his own pocket. Yeah, out of his own pocket. Which sounds like obstruction of justice doesn't. Yeah. And it's also surprising to me that Flynn wasn't wealthy. I didn't know that. Yeah he's not that makes him more sad

Military, you know forever. Yeah cap. If he was wealthy If he is wealthy, he could have been through like laundering money and kickbacks and all that other shit that he was doing Sort of on the DL But Mule would find that. Yeah, but it's not and Mule would find that but he's not like billionaire rich like Trump who apparently isn't as rich as he's 70. But I need that already. I already knew that. It's just such a liar. Oh, time magazine call them. No. For people listening to the 75 years into the future, who don't know what I'm referencing, it's a big news story this week. Trump, today I think tweeted that Time Magazine called him and offered him the cover and

he's like, hmm, probably is not good enough. No, no, no. And time tweeted immediately. We didn't talk to him. And that's... Beautiful. And everyone's just... Everyone's now making their own statements like, well, I was going to be offered comedian of the of the year, but you know, they said probably,

and I was like, probably's not good enough. So I turned on their photo shoot and I said no. And so everyone's doing all these mock tweets and people are saying, you know, what time you should make that lady who flipped off his motorcade and got fired for. There was a photo of some lady on her bicycle flipping off the Trump motorcade and apparently she lost her job. She worked for the government and so it's like flipping off her bosses I think that argument. Which is so wrong. She'll win the lawsuit. But anyway, the people are saying she should be time magazines person of the year. Another really great idea is to put a faceless woman on there and say the women who came forward are the people of the year. Like the hashtag me to people.

That would be badass. Definitely. The flip-off lady or the women. I'm down with either one. I think Trump would be pissed at either one. He wouldn't like me either. Capron air could also be really pissed about. Oh my goodness. Yeah. So and he's also we all just know because I think Obama had 16 time covers. So yeah. Maybe a little. He's got a little bit more. He's got his ass about Obama man. It's weird. So anyway, sorry. So talk about, oh, says the Trump

will not pay for Flynn's legal bills. So Trump's at our, so Flynn's out in the cold. So it's Flynn gonna flip. Huh. Flipping all the things. Fuck, dude, I definitely would. I wouldn't, I wouldn't, if he wasn't gonna pay my legal bills, if there was nothing left for me to, to,

oh, that guy, the loyalty to be out the window. Oh yeah. So I wanted to talk a little bit about Manafort. Some stuff came out about Manafort this week, nothing left for me to to oh that guy the loyalty be out the window oh yeah so I wanted to talk a little bit about Manafort some stuff came out about Manafort this week and he's kind of old news because he's already been indicted and we already know he's a dickhead and he's got his fucking fingers in so many banks that it's it's just there's no way that he's not gonna get got on something yeah whether it's Russia. Hmm who knows Definitely in some money laundering schemes. So McClatchy reports this week

Manafort's Russian ties go way deeper than we all thought he had 18 trips to Russia after the 2014 fall of Yana Kovic the Ukrainian president that was a pro-Cremlin guy Who Manafort helped win Ukrainian president, that was a pro-Cremlin guy who Manafort helped win by using Russian tactics. He worked with Russia as a Russian asset to help this guy win the Ukrainian presidency. One of the tactics was to jail his competitor. Sound familiar?

Lock her up. Lock her up. So Trump heard about his work in the Ukraine getting in a coach, one of Kremlin's puppets, into office, and they're thinking that that's why Trump hired him. And he used several of the same tactics in the Trump campaign that were used in the Ukrainian campaign that was spearheaded by Russia. So now you've got Manafort who is a Russian asset. You know interfering in the Ukrainian campaign. Is he interfering in the United States campaign?

So that's kind of really interesting. So Trump heard about it and brought him on in May of 2016 because he liked the way he worked. This indicates Manafort was considered a Russian asset as I said. So now Mueller's looking into Manafort's potential collaboration with Russian cyber efforts to improve Trump's chances of winning in the United States, because that was another tool that he used to get Yana Kovic elected. So, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, that he was working for the Ukraine. And I mean, one of the whole things about Russia was they're trying to annex Crimea. They were trying to get Ukraine back into Russia. And that's why they wanted to install Yonikovych and they had Manafort help and do that.

And interestingly enough, when Manafort was helping Trump, and Trump was running for office, presumably to help Russia Trump at the RNC, and Kissley Act was there, and met with sessions a few times, and Carter Page at the Republican National Convention, they changed the platform to ease the language on Ukraine. That's right. So, that just, I mean, I don't know. Maybe I'm insane, but that seems like it's just...

I mean, if you feel like it, but I don't think you are. All ties together. So, Maniford resigned in August when the New York Times found that investigators were looking into a $12.7 million cash payment for Mianna Co-Bitch to Maniford. Jesus. So, I just wanted to go about a little bit, $1,000,000 cash payment from Yanukovych to Manafort. So, that I just wanted to go about a little touch on the Manaforts. Because that's just, that blows me away. That's so interesting to me.

Yeah, this goes so deep. Yeah, he had 18 different trips to Russia, Carter Paid, Gordon. I mean, all these guys.. And this is down the campaign, and they just happened to not disclose any of this. And these were the ones that they didn't fill out, you know, the fair paper work for. And Putin's number one and number two political issues in this world is to get the Magnitsky Act overturned and ease sanctions and to ease the, make it easier for him to invade Ukraine. So what? You got your motives. I didn't know that Manafort was kind of paid by Russia to help Yana Kovic, a Kremlin, a pro-Kremlin Russian Ukrainian to get the Ukrainian presidency. What? Holy shit.

I know. We're all learning something. It's so good. There's so much. It hurts my brain. I was like looking this week. Like I remember the biggest scandal we had with Obama was his tan suit. And the mustard.

He's the fancy mustard that one. Did he use fancy mustard? Yeah, outraged people. Gray poop on. Black people only supposed to use shitty mustard? Yes, so I guess there was just too bourgeois for them. Yeah, the good old days. You know, I'm sure old bar owners, those argumenters too. Like, he'll be a big mustard. The tan Su was the biggest thing. And now we're talking about our current president hiring a pro-Russian Ukrainian, being hired by a pro-Russian Ukrainian to install a dictator in the Ukraine and then possibly help Russia install Trump. It's like a Transformers movie in the United States. Like,

oh my, and that's just one tiny part. We haven't even talked about Kushner and Junior and then even Big Daddy. So it's just, is that pop-a-dop or is Big Daddy? Big Daddy's trouble. Oh, it's trouble. Big Daddy. I have a quick question. So we've like instituted military coups and foreign governments, you know, many at times over the course of being a country. But like with Chile, for example, there's no, there were no like sanctions that were actually or not sanctions, but any punishments actually dulled out to the US officials that like helped institute that, right? It's just something that's kind of in hindsight like, oh yeah, that happened.

And is that like what's going to happen just with this stuff again, do you think? Well, there's not much to have leverage over things like that. Like the Iranian shot we put into power in 79 or the Chilean government that you were talking about or even if we're trying to interfere in the Venezuelan elections or anything. Who are we bananas? Who are we, I mean, there's just, there's no leverage, you know. What are we gonna put sanctions on chili? Like, in Venezuela, whatever, they'll just give us double bear on little fingers, because they have pretty much all the oil in the world and be like go ahead and fucking sanction us. Whatever, Russia Putin's livelihood is dependent on the ease of sanctions.

Because he gets all of his money from all the other rich guys in Russia who have money in all the banks in all the world. And the Treasury Department has that O-Faclist based on the Magnetski Act. That's where you really get them, where it hurts. And it does hurt him. He's worth 200 billion and he can't get his hands on most of it if we have these sanctions in place particularly under the Magnet's G-A. And those that are on the O-Faclist. Trump does have the executive power to remove people from that O-Faclist and he may or may

not have and we don't know. It wouldn't be an announcement. But what we do know is that our Senate, even our Congress, our shitty shit Congress, was like, this could get bad, we need to reinstate or reinforce the sanctions in Russia. We're going to write this Russia sanctions bill and we're going to make Trump sign it. And Trump is bad. this Russia sanctions bill and we're gonna make Trump sign it and Trump I promised my friend that I wouldn't do this are you good they won't let me you know I mean a real bad ass dude was standing me go yeah this fucking dope help get me elected fuck that guy I'm

not helping that guy at all high five five America, let's be forward together. Like, well, I can't you, I don't know. He's just stupid. I think he's scared, I think he's just a bit scared. Oh yeah, I mean, Putin murders people. We're probably on a list. We might be, oh shit. We're not that popular, yeah.

We're getting Putin at this level. If we have to die, at least we could die knowing our punk hands. Yeah, I bet it. Yeah, we're like, oh, you know. You're a trainee and pirate radio and shit. So this brings me to a really interesting guy, who I had not heard of, who had been off my radar, because I'll be honest with you.

I know, I sound like I know a lot about politics, but I really follow McDonald's politics. Like, I eat what's fed to me. I well I shouldn't put it that way, but I am a consumer of politics in the way that they give it to me. Like I'm a brand name whore, if you will. Yeah. Like I know what's going on in the things that everyone kind of knows are going on. I might know more about it because I read into it. But this is something I hadn't heard of, and I'm kind of embarrassed that I didn't know about this. There's a guy named Dana Bente.

Bente has had a very long career in the judiciary in the United States. He was the US attorney of the Virginia Eastern District under Obama. The Virginia Eastern District just to give you an idea. There's two districts, court districts in Virginia that have grand juries convening in the Mueller investigation and the Eastern Virginia District is one of them. That was the one that got 50 sealed indictments on the docket in one day. Right. So that's what he was doing. He was the US attorney of that district.

Okay. Obama pointed him, Deputy Attorney General, from that job, which is a normal succession. Yeah. Okay, usually the Attorney General is tapped from one of the two Virginia districts. Okay. And the Eastern District is the first one to be,

to in that succession. Comey reported to him. Right. As, you know, in the Department of Justice, he became acting attorney general when Trump fired Sally Yates, remember that lady? Yeah, love Sally. She was great.

So she got canned along with like 20 other US attorneys that day. And they had no idea, right? They all found out that she was last minute, yeah. And but Bente was there and he became acting attorney general, full attorney general. And when sessions came in, Bente went back to his old job as the US attorney in the Eastern District of Virginia.

OK. Again, that's one of the districts convening And Bente went back to his old job as the US attorney in the Eastern District of Virginia. Okay. Again, that's one of the districts convening grand juries in the Mueller investigation. Right. Just after the gates, Manafort indictments. Bente resigned, kind of suddenly. And I hadn't heard of this and no one had heard of this.

Oh, maybe my friends who work in the Department of Justice or US Attorney's Office or people who are connected with us, but no one had talked about it loudly. Right. He resigned. According to the news that we knew at the time. Yeah. Just left. But we learned this week. He didn't resign. He was pushed out by Trump. Oh. He was fired or pushed for suicide. Yeah. By Trump. Disturbed by the broadening pattern of Trump's interference with a judicial branch in Senator Kuhn,

this is Democrat, sent a letter to Rod Rosenstein. Rod Rosenstein is the current deputy attorney general. He's the full attorney general in anything Russia, because Jeff Sessions isn't allowed to touch Russia. Exactly. Why? Because he can just touch us. Can you believe that the number one investigation

we have going on in this country, our attorney general, isn't even allowed to take part in such an asshole? It's ridiculous. I think it's just because he's an asshole. So that's who Rod Rosenstein is. Rod Rosenstein appointed Mueller as the special prosecutor. Okay. Okay.

He's the second in line, Deputy Attorney General. He's the first in line when it comes to Russia. So Koon sent him a letter going what the fuck? Man, why did Trump fire Bente? The third in line. Yeah. The US in line. Yeah. The US Eastern Virginia District guy. Right.

I demand to know. And I demand to know by November 21st. Oh. Well, November 21st is coming on. And Rod Rosenstein has not replied to the letter that Koon sent him. And this is an official letter. This is not just like a...

Private note slip in class. Yeah. This isn't a... Yeah. Hey, man, yeah, hey man. So check this box. So 1121 came and went no response from Rosenstein. And again, as I said, he's the deputy attorney general, but he is the full attorney general for anything Russia. So that's why that letter went to him. Yeah, because sessions isn't allowed went to him. Yeah. Because sessions isn't allowed to do Russia. So Kuhnko has sent a second letter asking why Trump fired Bente from the back. And again, Bente was doing his job at

the U.S. Attorney in the Eastern Virginia District, overseeing things like the Wickeleaks investigation. Right. He was overcomy when, you know, when they, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when So Kun sent a second letter to Rosenstein and he's talking to Chuck Grassley. He's the ranking Democrat on the Senate Judiciary Committee. To tell him, please hold hearings examining the president's interference in the U.S. attorney's office. This is nuts that he fired this guy, particularly when you think of a line of succession. I was telling you a little bit earlier about how he's the third in line, Bente, behind Attorney General, deputy Attorney General, and then the next guy in line is the Eastern Virginia District US attorney And that's what benté was if we go back to Nixon and Watergate the Saturday night massacre

Was Nixon asking his attorney general to fire Archibald Cox? That's the special prosecutor. Right. Nixon asked the attorney general to fire the special prosecutor investigating him and the attorney general went, fuck you buddy and resigned. Like, are you kidding? I'm not going to jail for your fucking ass. No way. F off. So he resigned. Out of there. Yeah. Then Nixon goes to the deputy attorney general that says, Hey buddy, fire Archibald Cox, fire the special prosecutor, and he's like,

fuck you, and resigned. Bam, he was out of there. Third guy in line, US attorney in the Eastern Virginia District Court. Nixon goes to him and says, fire the special prosecutor, and he does. He's the guy who does it. And then he goes down for obstruction. That's like a story, like a little, like a, a, a, a fabule,

you tell a children like, but that's our history. He likes, like, in Trump to the museum. And isn't it exactly happening again? The only differences are Attorney General isn't allowed to fire Mueller because it's got to do with Russia. So he's recused. So he's gonna go to Rod Rosenstein. His number two, as him to fire Mueller, Rod Rosenstein appointed Mueller.

Rod Rosenstein will say fuck you and resign. Third in line would have been Bente. Yeah. An Obama appointee. I have a buddy that got rid of him. It's like three little pigs. And now he's gone presumably in the process of being replaced by somebody Who I don't know why they would fire Mueller and go down for Trump, but Presumably someone who would yeah I'm gonna find someone that would do it. They just have to he just has to find a guy that'll take a payment He used to firing people and having fall guys. I'm afraid he's gonna get away with it Yeah, well, I don't know if I'm. If I'm on it, I'm hoping other people are on it too. Like, please don't.

I can't be the, like I said, I'm sometimes the McDonald's of politics. Like, I can't be the only one who fucking knows this. I learned all this, you know, from the news that I consume. So, and watching an interview with Senator Kunz on the Rachel Maddow show. So this is just struck me as that's insane. And when I, because just, I think, two weeks ago I watched,

and I think I brought this up on the last episode, I watched a special on Nixon and Watergate. And the parallels are ridiculous. Yeah. And so when I saw that and that, but now Trump, we always accuse him of being stupid and not understanding history, particularly when it comes to Watergate because it's happening to him. Maybe he knows better than we do and that's why he fired the guy who probably wouldn't get rid of Mueller if he asked.

Trump loves to fire people. And that, again, is a theory. Yeah. We don't know why he fired him and that's what Center Coons wants to know. Yeah. Following that line of conjecture, though, why would Trump believe that that would even work and he'd be able to get away with that if the very thing happened with Watergate and then he wound up getting? Maybe it's a he Hello Mary. Maybe he didn't realize it would even get this better. Yeah. It's gone for the any of us. It's probably just his crazy, you know,

delusion and disconnect. But what? Or his lawyer telling him. Yeah. You got to set up a couple of things in case this shit goes south. Yeah. You got to set up a guy who's gonna fire Mueller for you if you need him to. Yeah. That's gonna have to be somebody besides Jeff sessions and Rod Rosenstein because sessions isn't allowed and Rosenstein appointed him So you need the third guy you us attorney over here to be one of somebody in your pocket you need to be able to Finance Roy Moore's campaign because the RMC pulled their funding. He's got a win because I he wins You can remove him and put sessions in and then A.G. and who will fire you? He's a test game. So even if Trump's not the main, you know, brand of it all, he's a major player. And so he's got people on his team that they know what they're doing. And they're gonna get away with this probably.

It's sad, but here's the thing. If Mueller catches up to whoever is the fall guy, then all it is is a fall guy. I mean, I would love to see it at the end of this trauma. I, then all it is is a fall guy. I mean, I would love to see it at the end of this trauma, I bet we all would, I guess, or maybe not our trauma supporter listeners, but I just, I don't know, I feel like. Which is fairly we have a lot of, yeah. Yeah, I guess. Hey guys, see this. Ah, I want to see something, some consequence for being a rich person that abuses your

ear power and your influence. Yeah, well. Ah, well you can dream, right? For now, we'll have to get off on Weinstein. Yeah. All right. So, you like that? So, all right.

I've talked about all my guys. So now I want to hand it over to who wants to go first. Jolie's or Jordi, you want to talk about Kushner and Komi, your homey, or do you want to do we want to go about Hover Hope X? I'll go. Yeah, I'll do, I hope, I hope, yeah. Hope Hicks. This is, yeah, Hope Hicks, a big, big one because yeah. We've been waiting the last two episodes have in our next week's segment been talking about Hope Hicks, Hope Hicks, so please take it. Yeah, yeah, Hope Hicks is a big deal. She's Trump's longest serving aid and

One of his closest confidants and she's a her White House communications director like right now like if you look at beat her She's there. She's doing this like it's a real big deal and she's only 29 So it's really impressive on one hand the other hand. It's it's really confusing She knows everything and if you want a meeting with Trump, you go through her. Yeah, because I heard he doesn't have email connections only she does, which is why. It's so interesting when you think about the room she's been in, the meeting she's been a part of,

and the fact that we just found out that she or her email. She might have heard that email about that. The missing link. Because none of these emails are forwarded to Trump, because Trump doesn't do email. Presumably. Or Twitter. Apparently, she might control his Twitter too, like.

No, that can't be true. She does look that stupid. But she might be the verbal go-between between like when Kushner forward-hidden-a-weekly these emails. You can't forward email directly to Trump. If you can't, she might be the one who reads the emails to him And that's what Mueller's trying to figure out. And so what did he know when did he know it asking all Nixon favorite? That'll chestnut. Hope Hicks knows what he knows and when he knew. Hope knows Hope floats So she's gonna be or if maybe she's already been interviewed by Mueller

She's on the list for sure by the end of this month, November, to be interviewed for that. So if she was in specifically the meeting on Air Force One where they drafted Don Jr. Statement for what happened at that Russia meeting where they said they were just talking adoptions, we now know from a Russia source that that was a lie. So if that was a statement that as the communications director, helps say, hey guys it's not gonna sound really good to tell the truth so let's lie you know she was a part of that then she could do that for that but let's say she- Well by not have been her idea she was just sitting in on it. Exactly she just knows she has information and that can be used

as leverage to you know just help her distance herself from the fault and That's what they were drafting. We're drafting John Jr's response to that What that meeting was about. Yeah, which was sanctions as we learned which They said adopt which as if you listen to this podcast you know adoptions as Russian for saying. Oh, yeah We should get a t-shirt adoptions Eagle sanctions Yeah, we should get a T-shirt, adoption, Eagle sanctions. I'll go around with it. So yeah, you're gonna be like, who the fuck are you? What are you doing? Hope Hicks, she's really young and she doesn't have a lot of, or any really political experience outside of working with Trump these past few years. So she was the

press secretary for the campaign and she was leading the transition teams communication department. So she's been with them the whole time as far as politics goes. And they literally brag about how little she knows, like, in a four-up energy. She made four-ups 30 under 30, which I get it. I get it. Her job is impressive. But it's so weird, because she'll say in the interview,

I think, Eva Coach. She said, I knew very little about politics. Obviously, I wasn't expecting to take part in this, and certainly not to play the role that I had. No, she said she's a good-looking chick and I think Trump just hired her because she's a hot and he wants a girl Friday like you know like in the 1950s when you had a secretary that did exactly. I don't know. I don't know. I'm not. I don't know. It was beautiful and represented you. You know. She's still you know she shows up. She seems very nice

and loyal to you. The money's gotta be good. The money's gotta be amazing. And so as far as I can tell, she has a much better thing. Yeah, demeaninger and anything. I think it's just, it's not gonna be fun when the relationship is strained by this investigation. And it could be a professional relationship, but like, in just in terms of their friendship. She was working. Oh, it's gonna end. Yeah, it's gonna end. Because there's no way Hope Hicks is gonna, is gonna

jeopardize her. Yeah, she try to be. Because there's no way Hope Hicks is gonna, is gonna jeopardize her. Yeah, she's young. Future for a 70 year old dickhead. Just like Papa Dopp and they get their whole lives ahead of them and Trump has lived a long crazy life it seems and I don't think anyone would wanna trade in theirs for his. So I can't think of any reason to be loyal to that guy besides the money.

Ivanka, maybe family ties, They actually say that Hope Hicks is kind of like the closest thing he has in his group than Ivanka. Like they call her the Trump whisperer. Yeah. Like apparently she calms him down and like she can break through to him the way other people can. So they are really close or they were. And this is horrible. Yeah. Yeah. Well, after you've got to start wiping his butt in a. Well, I've heard some things. This is more respect than I've been conspiracy theory-ish, but like some people and her close friends, I guess, say that, she kind of got more disconnected

when she started working for him. She used to be a model. So that's her thing. She worked for Ralph Lauren and Ford. And that's how she got in touch with Ivanka. She did PR for her. So she kind of crossed over, not quite into politics, but that's how she met Donald. And so he apparently just got really interested and kind of obsessed with her from the start and just said, Hey, I'm doing this.

This is a gross opening. Yeah, it's like you got this job now. And people say she was really reluctant. People say that she stopped being social, stopped doing, you know, like interviews and like hanging out. She broke up with her boyfriend of six years of parents. It was just some weird personal stuff I guess happening in her life when she took this job. And I just wonder how it's going to come out now with the investigation since she has to have a testimony. It's like, well, what is she going to choose to say? Because for a PR person or a White House communications director, she's so quiet. We only just heard about her because of all this. So it's kind of weird that we haven't

heard her opinions on anything. Except for like if you watching a video she'll be like, I love Trump. God bless Trump. Yay! And then she'll walk away. Like she's just a frisiner or something. So I don't know. Like twice hope. Yeah. If you need help. Keep hope alive. Yeah. Yeah. Free hope picks. Definitely. So yeah it's all gonna come down to you know if she has information that will help Mueller Girl who raised money for you can yes, we'll get a hope Hicks you know kickstarter going I'm on her side I like hope I do I feel even if she she wasn't some bad meetings

Douchy was leaving strange bed fellows.ows. I have a love with Koby. Hey, there you go. Yeah, no one's perfect. Oh, look at the whole new year. She always was like, mm-hmm. I'm team hope. Give me a piece of that. Tall, but we're gonna help you.

Yeah. I think I have just this weird sick man crush on Koby. And I think I'm like, you're a killer too. Like, come on. Yeah. And these are really good. They're a big pillar of jazz. Yes.

I love it. You're a killer. You're a killer. You're a pretty, suddenly turned into a Daniel Steel novel or a Christopher Steel dossier. We got to make it. Both are just as fiery and juicy. Wow.

I love it. Well, thank you, Jalice. Of course. For, you know, the audacity of hope. Yeah, yeah. We'll see what she knows. Jordan, I've been looking forward to this. I want to know what cushioner knew about Comey. Comey's my homie.

Yes. Yeah, so I, so a couple different things have just been like trickling out over the last few days. I got to say nothing that's super shocking really. I think it's all stuff that was probably kind of assumed to be true a little bit by more conspiracy theorists. I guess, which is what we're called until it all comes out. It's proofed, but so right now, they did it during watergate. Yeah, we're all crazy. We realized that vibes are real. But Wall Street Journal reports that Kushner pressed for the firing of Comey, so that's now being like reported by news agencies

and that's kind of more so fact, I think, than any sort of conjecture. But so the firing is now, as we know, being investigated by Mueller as a possible attempt to obstruct justice. And there are different reasons that were reported by inside officials as to like why potentially he could have urged the firing. And these are reasons that would not be considered reasons that align with any sort of obstruction of justice thing. So these are like legit reasons Komi could have possibly like urged Trump to fire here. Or I'm sorry, Kushner could have very different. Could have urged Trump to fire Komi. Right.

One is just saying that that decision would be supported by FBI agents who thought Komi mishandled the Clinton email investigation, which is the one that we're hearing most. By the way, not so true. They interviewed all of the FBI agents. And there was no feeling within the FBI or any of the intelligence agencies that Komi mishandled.

But they're trying. They're trying really hard. Yeah, yeah, yeah. These are the reasons that I should say that. They've sympathized. You're actually pissed about the handling of the Hillary emails? No.

They've gone back and forth to the election in a large part due to the fact that Komi came out a week before the election and kind of brought up the Hillary e-mails again. Absolutely. Yeah. The Weiner account. Right. That's their best excuse though. Yeah. That's the lamest of lame excuses. And the second one that I've been seeing circulating a lot is that Comey, uh, or they thought that Comey's handling proved that he was too unpredictable. So that's a little bit more specific. Oh, his temperament, perharmonic issue with like the Clinton email investigation is the

way he was handling it. It means or shows that he was too unpredictable for the position and that's why he needed to get. Yeah, super rich stuff. So Trump had said Comey. Well, he was too tall. He has a bigger than mine. For Photoshop. Super rich stuff. So Trump had said, he was too tall. Hands are bigger than mine. For Photoshop.

I couldn't Photoshop his head down to my level. Very masculine. Scares the shit out of me when he walks towards me. So Trump had said, Komi's handling of the investigation was his reason for firing him in May. Also said, Trump came out inside an the investigation was his reason for firing him in May. Also said- The Trump came out and said, in an interview that he fired him because of Russia, and he told Kislyak, thanks to Russia News, we know, and they've got it on.

Trump said he fired Komi, and he was a nut job, and he was getting close on that Russian thing, and now that pressure is not there anymore. That's like word for word, word like so fucking with your email. Exactly. They're trying, man. Yeah, and especially too in the beginning Trump tries to blame it on Kushner and now that Kushner is getting investigated, he tries to say, oh no, that was totally me. That was just what I wanted to do because of recommendations I got from the Justice Department.

So the Attorney General, that way he's saying that that's what Session said. Yeah so he's trying to like absolve Kushner probably. It's absolutely I would say. It's a possibility. Yeah this is yes this segment as all of ours are I think it's just it's a mixture of facts. Yeah no I'm especially enjoying it. I'm sorry. I'm only mad at them. Oh no no no I'm just making sure whoever's listening to this is like they're spreading fake news It is but these are all All of this all of this comes from very I think objectively reputable news organizations like the Wall Street Journal Did you guys hear there's a child sex ring in the pizza restaurant basement pizza rats at Hillary Clinton run?

Did you hear I thought you were gonna say Papa John's. I was like, oh yeah. Did you get to run a sex ring? Don't call yourself Papa John. Yeah. Oh, it's so true. Yes, yeah, it's true. It was all Hillary.

As long as you know. Yeah. As long as you guys ever. And here's Mary time, of course. Yeah, tell everyone. Tell everyone. Make it known. But, so. But, go Roy Moore. So, this is, yeah, tell everyone. Tell everyone. Make it known. But, um, so-

Go Roy Moore. So this is, yeah, they would- Jesse, you can shout out to- Okay. He said a great line about how it's just amazing how like Republicans would rather like to pedify than a Democrat just like- Yeah. Obsin-

Insane. But so, so it appears that Kushner definitely is guilty for obstruction of justice just in terms of the reasons he was telling Trump to fire him because it had to have been related to his investigation into the Russian collusion. There's just really like or Flynn. So there's there's there's really no it seems like there's really no getting around that but Officials are saying that it's going to be really difficult to prove that obstruction of justice because there are so many quote-unquote innocent reasons that Trump could have conceivably fired. Can we draw the line somewhere, though? Yeah, exactly. And also not to mention that the President can just, the President can fire somebody and not have to give a reason for it and that's totally legal and totally fine. So what makes like what makes prosecuting Kushner so difficult for obstruction is they have to prove that he specifically was saying yeah was saying fired this guy and then have proof that it was directly

related. The system protects them. Yeah to come investigating. They're involved with Russia. So he has to prove that there's a quote unquote knowing and the system protects him. Yeah, to come investigating. They're involved in the rushes. So he has to prove that there's a quote unquote knowing and willful attempt to obstruct justice and that is just like incredibly difficult to prove. But, um, Comey's memo though. Yeah.

That Comey homey memo where he was like, um, yeah. Oh yeah, he pepped the notes. Yeah. So, homestero. I mean, I don't know, I don't know. I don't know what kind of proof it takes, but I do know that Mueller isn't gonna prosecute anyone unless he's got. Absolutely, yeah. I've got a great point coming up that really kind of wrap up. Oh, and if you don't think that there's not something else that all of them haven't done to break any law in the last 20 years, that he can get them on. Yeah, right, it doesn't even have to be. It's yeah, just get them out.

There's a bunch of things that they can investigate. But this is as difficult as it might be to pre-upstruction of justice, there's other areas where it starts getting more messy for Kushner. So for example, Kushner's attorney told the Wall Street Journal that Kushner supported the president's decision, but like, you know, and said he should fire Komi. But then the White House attorney said that there was no apparent evidence of Kushner's involvement period. So now attorneys are giving different statements and now they've just stopped talking of the press period about Kushner's involvement.

So that looks extremely fishy. Yeah. And then yeah, okay. And then, so yeah, both attorneys have to client to comment. Day after firing, the president says, regardless of recommendation, I was going to fire Komi. And this just begs a question, he must have been trying to absolve Kushner with all this. That's really because Kushner is tied to so many other dirty things. So I just, I think that's what is going on. But yeah, the president told Russian officials during a meeting in the Oval Office that

firing coming had relieved, quote unquote, great pressure. That I think is a super incriminating statement. Yeah. And that was mostly because he was looking into Flint. Yeah So it's just a domino effect right and it just ultimately begs a question like what pressure are you being relieved of? That can't be good. You can't oh that's just that that cannot be get it all so When I hear Trump say that when Kobe was fired I was relieved of great pressure that to me either means that Trump was one Reliefs of some pressure that was being brought on him through an ongoing

Comey investigation or two Trump was relieved of pressure Maybe that like his aides were giving him to fire Comey so whatever pressure was physical pressure. Comey was putting on it like arm wrestling I'm just wouldn't let him win at arm wrestling guys. He was laying on top of me That's all. He was putting the pressure his all the time. The pressure is off because I don't have to arm wrestling anymore. I love it.

Just yeah, I'll wrap this up. So now the White House is taking Kushner's roles and just diminishing them very, very much. So like the in the White House. Yeah, like the Chief of Staff, John Kelly, he's a huge proponent of getting Kushner straight up out of the White House. So there, so he's been saying that by the end of 2017, he wants Ivanka and Kushner like out not even doing things anymore. Whereas before Kushner was the head of the piece in the Middle East project, like just going gonna save the starving wellies and after. I mean, you know that, like, if you want the trouble

out of the White House, you just gotta get Trump out of the White House. Right, yeah. I mean, I guess what Kelly's saying, I'm like, all right, anyone who's a lot of trouble, except for obviously Trump. Yeah, well, what would the Trump administration be without all of his evil aids?

It would just be a fucking idiot, just like, yeah. Oh, I want to see that. be without all of his evil aids and just be a fucking idiot just like yeah yeah yeah oh so true but so throughout this up with this ending quote I'm gonna I'm gonna quote the guy named Norman Ison I think is how you pronounce his name

you guys I've got a nice in tweet oh that's awesome I think think maybe then it's probably the same tweet. Hit what's the quote. Okay, it is. So just for background, he was Obama's White House Special Counsel for ethics and government reform. And this senior fellow at the Brookings Institute. Yes. Really smart, dude. Really smart. We clearly have ladyboters for you. No, I'm not. I'm not sure if that's right. So he quotes, he tweets, when I on Friday that Mueller could be leaning on Flynn

in hopes that he'll squeal on Kushner, that's what I read about in a tweet. And then he also quote and quote says, when I was at state and Mueller was at FBI, we worked together on an investigation and he loved surprises. Kushner, Donnie Jr., and the rest of the Trump crime family better keep their overnight bags handy.

Pack shoes with no laces, guys. Mine was different. Oh, good. I can't wait to hear that one. I love it. He worked with Mueller and that Mueller isn't going to give one to Flynn unless he

What is it? Unless he implicates someone up the ladder Kushner Donald Trump Jr. Or Big Daddy. They all have indigestion tonight like his twist Twitter. He's so great I know I love Norma isn't yeah you guys follow Norma isn't on I didn't know. Normalizing. I love normalizing. Yeah, you guys follow normalizing on Twitter

because his tweets are the best. Yeah. They really are. So funny. But yeah, he said they're not going to give one to Flynn. And I'm going to go straight into our sabotage for the week because this plays heavily into what you're talking about. And what I was talking about with Comey's investigation

of Flynn and the firing of Comeomi because he's investigating Flynn. Just Friday, just yesterday, this comes out on Monday but we record this on Saturday. So just yesterday, Flynn's legal team told Trump's legal team that they're no longer going to speak to them. I heard about that. Yeah. It's not me, it's you. that they're no longer going to speak to them. I heard about that. Yeah. It's not me, it's you.

It's just not working out between us. And that's big because generally what that indicates, that's a fact I'm going to start theorizing now. Generally what that indicates is that they're cooperating with the investigation, which means Flynn has flipped. He's found out Ty Cobb. Yeah, oh no. Well, we all not going to pay your legal fees,

and so he's like, well then, fuck y'all, I'm not going down for this shit, and I'm not gonna rack up millions more in legal fees for you to defend you. So he's telling it all. Yeah, I think. Yeah, that makes sense. I think Flynn is telling it all. Not talking to someone is never a good sign period. Oh yeah, it drives them crazy. So yeah, so Flynn's legal team gave Trump's legal team the hand Talks in the hand beautiful And that's nuts and that's when I was gonna bring up the normizing tweet here that Mueller isn't gonna give one to Flynn He's not gonna let Flynn go or give Flynn a bone unless Flynn implicates somebody up the ladder

Kushner Donald Trump Jr. Big daddy. That's who that's who called big daddy Which is why I call big daddy It should so he said don't put laces in your shoes. Over here he's like this indigestion for Thanksgiving, for sure, for this three of these guys. All of his tweets are like pretty much he's by on. And particularly with this Flynn stuff. And now that he's not they're not speaking to Trump's legal team, to me it's clear that Flynn is cooperating with the Mueller Investigation. Oh yeah, it's good.

Everything I read indicated that. We already knew he was fucked. So he had to know he was fucked, doubly. So he's playing the best card. He's probably like, all right, well, I'm not, I'm not gonna go down for him. Mm-hmm. And I don't think that this changes any of our indictment picks because we all have Flynn,

Flynn, Jr. Yeah, Kushner. Yeah, Kushner. DT Jr. Yeah. I don't... Could they indict Trump himself? Do they have Big Daddy?

Do they got enough? If Flynn's talking, you guys, he could fucking, that would be what I would hope for. Because Flynn was the one being investigated by Comey when Comey was fired. I'm gonna drop. Was the one saying, use up on my buddy Flynn. Yeah.

I mean, we don't get points taken away. That's so exciting. Right, right. You're gonna throw Trump on there, right? You're gonna throw Trump on there. Oh yeah. Because, well, I mean, listen, if Flynn knows, if Flynn talked to Trump and Trump told Flynn, I'm gonna get rid of Comey to get the fire off you.

You just can't say anything about me knowing any of this shit. Yeah. If that went down, which, I mean, all signs point to that have gone out again. Theory, theory, not fake news. I'm just guessing this isn't news. If that went down, then that is obstruction. That's a direct connect to obstruction justice. To me, it's the bullet. That's the the bullet.

That's the silver bullet. That's the bullet that came that, you know, comes out of the smokey guy. It seems so plausible. In him, yeah, just him knowingly firing Comey after Kushner had told him to do it for reasons that were definitely obstruction of justice. Him firing Comey is just an extension of that,

of that. And it couldn't even be been Trump telling Kushner to tell him to tell Flynn. It could have been, there could have been, he had to tell Hope to tell. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Any single steps in between there to dilute the guilt, I guess. Yeah, but Millie is gonna uncover them. I really think so. But yeah, whoo, so I hope the full guy is the guy that deserves it. It's all the fact that the fact that Flynn's legal team stopped talking to Trump's lawyers is so huge. Yeah, that's so exciting.

I know, I'm very pleased. And I hope something big happened. I hope that the next set of indictments with Kushner and DT, at least DT Jr. and Kushner and Flynn, or Flynn's cooperating. Go down before the December 12th Roy Moore election. I need the dominos. I need the dominos.

I need the dominos. Yes, it's gonna be big, right? I need the dominos to start falling hard and be irreversible before Roy Moore gets ousted and replaced with Jeff Sessions and an attorney general is installed as a stop and Mueller investigation. Mueller's gotta know that.

I need that Mueller train going fucking 800,000 miles in a row and by the time that even, if it gets close to happening happens. So that would be really great for Christmas time because I know it's not Christmas, I know it's not Christmas, but like net neutrality is voted on two days after Roy Moore's elections. Yeah, but that's all about the FCC.

I know, but like can you imagine that week is gonna be crazy though? That's in that sweet, December 14th. Yeah, but that's all about FCC. I know, but like can you imagine that week is going to be crazy. That's a next week. December 14th. Yeah. And and there's unfortunately there's nothing we can really do about the FCC thing except we've, you know, I've emailed them and I've left numerous comments on their website. I hope they use their actual information. Yeah. I can actually go to go FCCyourself.com. Hi! It was set up by John Oliver on last week tonight and you can leave a comment that way. So I highly recommend you guys do that.

So I just wanted to thank you guys again for listening. Thank you for switching over to our new home with Podbean. Keep a lookout for us on iTunes. We'll keep you posted. We promise you won't hear the end of it. And other than that, next week, all I've got is waiting for Hope Hicks. We know Kushner was missing those emails, but I'm sure he just forgot innocently to turn in about wiki leaks and and he forwarded those to Hope Hicks so presumably I'm guessing and again not news just guessing she handed those documents over already I think she's already either testified or she's already been cooperating with them that would be nice because where else would they have gotten those emails knowing

cushion or forwarding them to Hope H picks from other than from from hope picks unless that he forwarded to other people right clovist Gordon Manafort but he would now ski whatever now hope is a part of it yeah and next week we'll see if Flynn is flipping we'll see if he's if he's you know no longer talking to the Trump team because he's now cooperating I may move my hear some more about that this week. Now that we're back off Thanksgiving break. So, guys, that's all I have. I've been Jordan Coburn. I'm Julius Johnson. And I'm Angie. Thanks for listening to Mule, or she wrote.

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