Jack - Lodestar Supernova (feat. Jack Bryan of Active Measures and Seth Abramson)

Episode Date: September 10, 2018

Ep #45 - Joining us this week is Seth Abramson, author of "Proof of Collusion" and Jack Bryan, writer and director of Active Measures. Plus, Jaleesa gives an update on Mifsud, Jordan reports on the leaks from Bob Woodward's "Fear," and AG covers the Kavanaugh confirmation hearings. Enjoy! **Disclaimer** This episode contains explicit language in regards to Elliot Broidy's sexual assault allegations. 

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Like all members of the oldest profession I'm a capitalist. Hello and welcome to Muller She Wrote. I am your anonymous host, A.G. I work for Trump's executive branch, so I have to use a pseudonym to keep from violating the Hatch Act, and no, I am not the author of the New York Times op-ed. With me, as always, is Julie Sojonson, and Jordan Coburn. Hello. So this is episode 45 technically, but I think we might skip it and call it 46. It's been out at that. Exactly, not a legitimate episode. I kept 13. I'm all for 13. But yeah, like you know how semhotels don't have a 13th floor.

Oh yeah. And Mitch Hedberg told a joke, he's like, if you jump out of the window on the 14th floor, you'll die earlier. We're now politically superstitious about 45. I'm with you. Yeah, so no 45. But we do have an awesome show for you this week. Jolisa is going to give us an update on MifSude. And Jordan is going to cover the an update on Mif Sud, and Jordan is going to cover the leaks from the forthcoming book called Fear by Bob Woodward.

I'm going to cover the Kavanaugh Confirmation hearings, and I'll tell you how they're tied into the Mueller investigation later. And we also have very special appearances. First from the author of the new book Proof of Collusion, Seth Abramsom is going to join us. And we have the writer and director of the new film out on Hulu and iTunes called Active Measures, all about the Trump-Russia collusion, his name is Jack Bryan. And he just appeared on real time with Bill Maher on Friday, so I'm really excited to have him. I also, before we got started, wanted to address an email I got about our announcement last week that we'll be removing the $1.2 levels from our Patreon starting on October 1st. She's very concerned about those who might not

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my show notes, membership to the MSW Book Club, and all kinds of swag. So go ahead to mullershiewrote.com for more information. And we have a lot of news to get to this week. So let's just kick it off with just the facts. All right, so first of all, Kyle Griffin tweeted on Sunday that Chris Christie's administration reportedly funneled $500 million from New Jersey workers pension cash to American media and David Pecker.

So you guys remember when last week when we were talking about why would Pecker and Howard be willing to tank their paper for Trump? Well maybe they were okay because they had that huge injection of $500 million in cash from the point man on the Trump transition team, Chris Christie. It's a real problem though, because if the paper does go under that $500 million that's supposed to go to workers pensions is gone. Mainstream media hasn't picked up this story yet, but New Jersey newspapers have been reporting it back to August 30th, so put some beans on it. We'll watch it. It's so tricky. So it's just waiting there like a safety net for them. It might already be spent. I don't know but we but $500 million went from New Jersey

pension funds to Pecker. Yeah. Yeah. It's the opposite of Robin Hood. Yeah. Robbing the port of Peter Ridge. Yeah. And to cover up the portions. Totally. We had a quiet Labor Day Monday, which was nice, so we relaxed. But on Tuesday, the New York Times reported that Mueller will accept written answers on collision from Trump in lieu of an interview. According to two sources familiar with the matter,

Mueller will accept written answers about whether his campaign conspired with Russia to interfere in the 2016 election. The letter also said that Mueller's team understands that issues of executive privilege could complicate the pursuit of an interview about obstruction, and they didn't ask for written answers on those matters either. But it's important to note that Mueller has not given up on an interview for obstruction,

but many Trump allies have concluded now that if an interview does happen, the scope will be way more limited than Trump's legal team initially thought. Remember when we did those 50 questions the New York Times released, we did an emergency soad. Yeah. And they were turned out they were released by Trump's team probably secular. Mm-hmm. Well, a lot of people think now that because he's willing to take written answers and because he's walking, you know, treading lightly on obstruction, that it won't be a 50 question interview, it'll be much smaller. But that's their speculation and they're happy to welcome to believe that if they want. Interesting. Also Tuesday morning, the Kavanaugh hearings began. Kavanaugh is Trump's nominee for the next Supreme Court justice, and I'm going to talk about that later in the show. But he brought

children. Yeah, he brought his children. It reminded me of the scene in Liar Liar where, you know, she brings her children to the divorce case for sympathy, and then he goes, it's working. I feel sorry for that moment. Then the Washington Post did a piece on Trump because he suggested protesting should be illegal. In an Oval Office interview with the Daily Collar, that's a super conservative group of A-holes, just hours after Kavanaugh was greeted with pretty loud protests in the Senate hearing. Trump said, quote, I don't know why they don't take care of the situation like that i think it's embarrassing for the country to allow protesters

uh... you don't even know what side the protesters are on oh my god okay so there's like ninety things wrong with the statement first of all protesting is one of our constitutional rights it's one of our guarantees to peacefully protest so f you on that second to say it's embarrassing for the country to allow protesters, that coming from the most embarrassing thing that's happened to our country since the 70s.

Then he says, we don't know what side the protesters are on. They're protesters. That puts them on one very specific side. I know he doesn't read, but the huge signs that say vote no and be a hero and the shouting of words like vote no and be a hero should the shouting of words like vote no and be a hero should have been a clue. There was not one person protesting the Dems to vote yes on Kavanaugh. It's a protest. It means you're anti-something. That's put you on a side. I admit both sides.

I don't know. Maybe he's just confused about sides. Putin hates protests. So Trump's just being a good little Putin boy. Yeah. It, remember, he blamed Hillary for all the protests against him in 2011. We learned that from the Russian rule at book and that's why Putin hates Hillary Clinton. Yeah, yeah.

Sadly enough though, I do think that protests are getting a little bit neutralized at least in terms of how the public sees them because they just see it and it's like, here we go. Either people are gonna actually look and try to listen to what they're saying or they're gonna see it and just be like, oh, this gets us nowhere, you know.

Obviously, I don't think they'd think that protest thing should be illegal, but I do think that it gets money at least. And it's like, people are just sick of the conflict, I guess, but that's lazy. You need to actually listen. Yeah, we can't afford to be sick of it. We've been sick of it forever. I think that's the whole point of Obama's speech the other day, right? He was just like, I get it.

Politics is frustrating and we're jaded, but this is the time where it's now or never. Yeah, this is different. And people need to get over there. They're, you know, what do you call it? Apathy? Fatigue. Fatigue, yeah. Exactly. Fatigue. Yeah, I don't know if this is a legitimate concern,

but when I was listening to an NPR coverage of it, protests would happen. They'd break out. They'd be disruptive. and all the reporters on NPR would say, protesters interrupt. You know, they wouldn't say, protesters says blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and it's like, I question why. I understand you can't report on everything protesters are saying, but the fact that they just glossed over it completely and did neutralize it, I think, is problematic. They did and so did the senators and so did some of the dem senators.

They would just sleep, they like, okay, we have to wait till they leave. And it's like, and one guy, I think he was like, who are these people? Blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, those are voters. Yeah. And those are citizens that are concerned about the fact

that a proven liar and anti-row guy is gonna be appointed to the court. I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go into more detail when we talk about Kavanaugh later, but the protest should be illegal and they're embarrassing. Oh my god. You shit. Then the news dropped about the Bob Woodward book. A fear and Jordan's going to cover that for us later in the show. Really good juicy pieces leaking out before we get to let's gross. I didn't mean for it to be. It was more like

fruit. I thought about meat. So I got kind of hungry, but that's just me. I'm vegetarian. Oh, I'm so sorry. Vegetables. Oh, I'm so sorry. Vegetables. Wednesday, we learned another Roger Stonehenge guy named Jerome Corsi was subpoenaed by the Mueller team.

Corsi is a Republican conspiracy theorist with stone connections. Apparently, he was in earshot when Stone talked about his ties to WikiLeaks, and he was supposed to testify before the grand jury Friday But he didn't show up and he's also said that he could beat up Mueller I don't know. He's just a weird dude and it kind of looks like broady. They kind of look like they could be brothers But Randy Cretico Did show up and testified on Friday so Mueller keeps closing in on stone I just hope he doesn't need Andrew Miller's testimony before he because he could be tied up in his appeal for a while

If you remember, he's a guy who held himself in contempt for not responding to a Mueller subpoena so that he could appeal the constitutionality of the investigation to the DC appellate court Another reason Trump shouldn't be allowed to see to justice by the way who refuses to recuse. Yeah Um, let's see the op-ed the op-ed came out on Wednesday I didn't write it. Trump administration official wrote an opinion editorial for the New York, that's what op-ed means opinion editorial for the New York Times called, quote, I am part of the resistance inside the Trump administration, unquote. This person is he, at least I think so, because the New York Times tweeted he and then deleted

the tweet and walked it back. They wouldn't have said he if it were a woman. But everyone weighed in on who it could have been and of course Trump went nuts. He was already off his rocker about the Woodward book leak. But after the op-ed, he started tweeting that the New York Times needed to hand over the author to the government immediately. That's frightening as fuck. All of his staffers, including his wife, were forced to give him written statements saying that it wasn't them. And he tweeted at Jeff, which is Jeff Sessions, our attorney general, hey Jeff. He at Jeff? Yeah.

Wow, what a Twitter handle, at Jeff. He wants to spend our tax dollars investigating, not Jeff, but Trump wanted Jeff to spend our tax money to investigate who wrote the memo. And then he started considering giving everyone lie detector tests because Rand Paul told him it would be a good idea. But one thing I feel got lost in the bedroom was the absolutely terrifying message in the op-ed. It said they were considering the 25th Amendment early on.

That's the amendment that the president is unfit to serve, but decided to put their heads down and keep America safe from the president We'll just keep going so we can get our tax cuts and we can get our shit And that's absolute bullshit and they can go ahead and take credit for all the shit that's happened and will happen because they didn't remove Trump like they were supposed to per the Constitution I mean if you think about all that's happened family separations right one possibly two conservative Supreme Court nominations, a flubbed foreign policy, the whole North Korea debacle.

There's too many things to even think about, but I don't like this op-ed person or anyone else who has been aiding in a betting trump in the White House, I feel. I feel like that's why we saw statements against Woodward's book from Kelly and Madness so that they could stay and keep the daycare open. They didn't want to get fired because they're the only ones that are saving America from

this insane president. We have ways to remove him. You don't have to lie and stay there and try to thwart his efforts. I wonder if they used the phrase, have we trump proofed the White House today? Because that's what I would do. But a motto brought up a very good point. If you were high up in the Trump White House, and you thought he was unfit and insane or whatever,

who would you tell? The old lions in the Senator dead, Ted Kennedy, John McCain, the house is ridiculous because Nunez and Jim Jordan are still there. There's nobody to tell. So you tell the New York Times, you know? That's kind of what he was saying. Yeah, I also think that is a testament to maybe how fearful they are,

that the things that are already in place in our constitution to remedy, the situation wouldn't work because he's that crazy. Yeah, maybe. I don't know. It could be a test to see what people think of the 25th Amendment. Also, Could the author just be trying to put himself on the right side of history like he knows Trump is gonna go down and that he's Completely he's a completely insane criminal. So the guy wrote this to be like see

I didn't support him later on so he could maybe keep his you know a political future kind of like people who believe in God Just in case, you know those people yeah future. Kind of like people who believe in God, just in case, you know, those people. Yeah. But lots of folks thought it was Pence because the person used the word load star. Before you die, there is something you should know about our Sloan Star. What? I am your father's, brothers nephew's cousin's former roommate. So here to chat with us today about how this op-ed was most definitely not written by

Pence is a professor and CNN contributor, the author of the new book Proof of Collusion, its Seth Abramson, Seth, welcome to Mueller, she wrote. Thank you for having me. So tell us a little bit about this op-ed. I know that you tweeted out that it's not Pence, and I was just wondering what your thoughts were on that. Sure. Well, I've been studying the Trump-Russia case for a very long time, as people probably

know. It's been about 18 months or so. And in that time, I've read hundreds and hundreds of articles on the investigation, and the surprising thing, and people ask me about this a lot, is, you know, where is Pence in all this? And what I tell them is that the surprising thing is that Pence rarely shows up where significant Trump-Russia events are occurring, and that's true even during the transition. There are places you would expect him to be as the head of the transition that he is not present at.

That's clearly by design. He wants to be as clean as possible in terms of any suspicion of criminal liability when Donald Trump is impeached. Should that happen, which I expect that it will. And so right now, he's the luckiest politician in America. His political career is over. Now he's in a position to potentially be president if Trump is impeached. And I think that there is no way that he would risk any of that by by writing a letter like this and running a foul of Donald trump he has absolutely nothing to gain by it

yeah that's a good point and you know by the the great grace of god almighty he is to ascend to the throne of the united states uh... and so i he's definitely kept out of it uh... surprisingly well and so when people ask like what's going on like, what's going on with Pence? What's going on with Pence? I mean, I think that he knew about Flynn and that Flynn didn't get fired for lying to Pence or misleading Pence, but that's kind of the narrative that they put together. I think that that's true, but what's interesting is that on December 27th and December 28th, when Mike Flynn is having of 2016, when Mike Flynn is having

these conversations with Sergei Kislyak, he's in touch with a team of people who are at Mar-a-Lago, and his contact person is Katie McFarland, his deputy, and Katie McFarland is getting advice from senior transition officials, according to the indictments that we have seen, saying to Katie McFarland, here's what you need to tell Mike Flynn about negotiating sanctions and the UN resolution on Israeli settlements with Sergei Kislyak. And during that period of time, Mike Pence is in Indiana. And also, I will note Jared Kushner is far away at that point also.

So I think that at the time that everything's going down in December 2016, he's not present, I do agree with you that thereafter he was informed about what happened, and therefore his statements on, I think it was CBS's Space the Nation in January, were probably not accurate, and he knew at the time they weren't accurate. But that's still him doing the minimal amount to stay in Trump's good graces. Yeah, sort of by design kept insulated from all of this. I think that's true. One of the things that I do want to say, though, and this is not something all of your listeners will necessarily agree with, but I'm a little bit, I don't want to say ambivalent,

but I have a lot of concerns about the anonymous op-ed that was published in the New York Times. There's a part of me that wants to say that if you work in the administration and you think the president is a danger to the country, the Constitution mandates that you, if you are serving the country, if you're fulfilling your civic duty, that you push for the 25th Amendment to be instituted and for that letter to be signed by the cabinet temporarily or perhaps even permanently removing the president from power. If you're not going to do that, I tend to think that you should quit your job and then write an op-ed and talk to the media,

tell everyone you can everything that you know, but this half measure where you still get the judges you want and you still get to work for a Trump administration and don't have to reveal your identity and just claim that you're doing things to protect the country. I'm not sure that that's courage, that feels a little bit to me like cowardice.

Yeah, I know it actually makes me pretty angry too, because if you think about all the things that have happened as a result of this administration, I think that some of the culpability then belongs with these folks who were whispering about the 25th Amendment early on and didn't take any action. So the family separations,

and I mean, there's way too many to name here, unless we want a six hour long podcast. But I put some of the blame on this person who authored the op-ed and their inside resistance guys who are keeping their heads down and trying to just thwart Trump at every opportunity. Well, and there were a lot of us, I'm probably including you all, who are Trump critics, who very early on in the administration, raised the question of the 25th Amendment.

I mean, of course, now it's being raised by Elizabeth Warren. So you have a senator saying this is something that should be investigated. But I think early on, there were enough warning signs that the president was unstable, that you had a lot of Trump critics raising the issue, and it was very easy to dismiss those critics as cranks or simply hyperpartisan or even conspiracy theorists in some way or even in some sense disloyal to the Constitution because no one in power was saying the same thing, because no one in the

administration was saying the same thing. And now we find out that they were secretly having exactly the same conversations that some of the Trump critics were having in public, and I think that's frustrating too. Yeah, the same thing happened with the whole Russia investigation itself, where early on, I know that the DNC and people in the Hillary campaign were like, you guys, listen, Russia is working with Trump to elect Trump, but they couldn't come out and say it, and even the New York Times wouldn't put it in that headline. They released in October of 2016 because it could have sounded insane.

It could have sounded tinfoil hat-like, and nobody was willing to kind of step out on that ledge. Well, you know, that's one of the most infuriating moments of the entire Trump-Russia investigation, is that late October 2016, New York Times article, which told the American people 10 days before an election that the FBI had no credible evidence linking Trump to Russia or suggesting that there was anything untoward happening, and I certainly don't blame Christopher Steele for seeing that story in the New York Times as he did.

And withdrawing from his partnership with the FBI at that point because as a former MI6 agent, he said to himself, something's not right here that the intelligence community would lie to the American people like this. And so when Glenn Simpson, the Fusion GPS founder, testified that that was the point at which Christopher Steele said, I need to withdraw from this partnership until I figure out what's going on at the fb i i can really sympathize with that because that's one of the big scandals of this whole story that hasn't been explored enough is

why the fb i misled the american people deliberately they didn't they didn't say no comment they misled the american people ten days before an election about the information they had right and and yeah that that yeah, I think that October, New York Times article, like you said, it's one of the pivotal points in this whole investigation. They came out and apologized, and some other, I can't remember the story that had come out in the last two, it was probably like four or five months ago. And they said, yeah, we did that, our bad, but, you know, too late.

Well, and it's kind of like during the run up to the Iraq war, you had Judith Miller writing articles telling people that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction and then later on, you get a sort of slight maybe not entirely fully motivated or sincere mehikolpa, but by that point the damage has been has been done. And I think that after what happened in the arts, you would have thought that the New York Times would be even more careful. And frankly, given what Comey and McCabe knew in October about what was happening

in the New York field office, you would have thought that they would be very careful about what statements were made to the media, because they should have been concerned, that the Trump-Landia adherents up in New York were going to be leaking false information to the press. And so I don't know why main justice and, frankly, the DC headquarters of the FBI weren't more on top of what was going on in terms of leaks to the press throughout October 2016. Yeah, apparently that's now being investigated. I haven't heard any updates on it, but the New York field office is also a big part of this. And I personally think that it was pretty

much blackmail. And Komi had to come out with that letter to Congress saying that they were going to reopen the investigation because if he didn't do it, the New York field office was going to do it. And it would have been 10 times worse. Well, and you know, I think that's right. And I think that people always ask, well, why hasn't Komi come out and forcefully said, I was being blackmailed by my own agents, and I think even as you hear me say that, the question answers itself. Jim Komi has always put protecting the FBI first. If he comes out and he spills the beans on what's happening internally at the FBI in October

2016, he's essentially saying that the FBI had a significant effect, not just him, but the whole organization on the 2016 election. So I think what's unfortunate is his attempts to protect the reputation of the FBI have kept us from getting the full story of what the New York field office was doing in terms of being pro-Trump and frankly in terms of a small group of individuals who were acting in a conspiratorial way to support Trump in October 2016. Hopefully we'll get that story when the Inspector General issues his report on it. He has said that he left that out of the first report that he issued because he has more

to say on it. I just don't know when that follow-up report is coming. Yeah, no, me neither. And we've been waiting for it too. more to say on it, I just don't know when that follow-up report is coming. Yeah, I know. I mean, either. Yeah, we've been waiting for it, too. And you're right. Comey is very big on the whole reservoir of trust within the FBI, and we spent decades building it.

And if he turns around and says something negative or somehow gives a black eye to the FBI, then that whole reservoir has just gone. He's very dramatic about it. So also, I wanted to switch gears here a little bit. I've been hounded on Twitter since you announced that you were going to be on Mollershi Road. I have been asked by multiple people about a tweet that you penned last March saying that Nastya Ripka, that's the sex coach who did the video on Darapaska's boat when he was downloading

his Manafort brief to the Prime Minister of Russia. And you tweeted that she happened to be in Athens or near Athens when Papadopoulos was there at the same time. So could you tell us a little bit about that? And if you have any updates on Ribka? Sure. So what Putin critics like Alexei Navalny and others outside of Russia have done is attempted to, if they can, track the movements of Russian oligarch, oligdarapaska, who is a very close putnail, I one of the two or

three oligarchs, oligarchs, he trusts the most, to track his movements by seeing where the woman he was having an affair with was at various points. Nascar Ripka, obviously not her real name, is very active on social media, or was very active on social media, of course, before her arrest in Thailand. And she posted a lot of pictures of herself, but also some pictures of herself with Oleg Darapaska. And so people have tried to track her movements, not because we want to know where she was

at any point in time. That's not particularly important, but where Oleg Derapaska was. As far as George Papadopoulos and how that intersects with, or his story intersects with Nostaripka, I think that there's a feeling among a lot of people that with the sentencing memo from Papadopoulos, with the indictment from Papadopolis that came in October of 2017. We have still not gotten the full story of what Papadopolis was up to, particularly what he was up to in May of 2016. When he made two trips to Greece in early May, one in late May, the second trip when Vladimir

Putin was also in Athens, and during those trips he met with Kremlin allies within the Greek government. We haven't really gotten the full story on that, though Papadopoulos did just reveal that he told the Greek foreign minister during one of his two May 2016 trips about what Joseph Mufsood had told him regarding the Clinton emails, meaning Papadopoulos told the Greek government that the Russians had stolen Clinton emails, and he told them that in May 2016. So there's a lot more to that story, clearly, that we don't know.

So it appears that Nostra Ribka may have been around Athens, not necessarily in the city, but on an island very near Athens, around the same time that Papadopolis was in Greece in May 2016. And that simply, we don't have an answer for exactly what that means. It just tells us that there's something we are not being told about Papadopolis's role on the campaign and what he did when he was sent by the campaign to Greece twice in May 2016. And I think that that sort of spills over into this question of whether

pop it up was told anyone on the campaign about the Clinton emails. Once again, people are sensing that we are not getting the full story. Is it because pop it up is still lying? Is it because Mueller has told him that he can't publicly release certain information? We don't know, and I don't want to speculate. But that Nostra Ripka citing in Greece in May 2016 says there's more to this story than what we know right now. Oh, I see because potentially if Ripka was there, Darapaska could be in tow. That's correct.

And we already know, in fact, we actually have a pretty long list of the people who pop it up list, Metwith and who he traveled with in early May and late May 2016. That was widely reported on by the Greek press. So we got a pretty good sense of who he was meeting with and in one case or actually in two cases because in both early May and late May he met with Pannos Kamenos who is the Greek defense minister, not the foreign minister but the defense minister. And Pannos Kamenos runs a think tank that is in a memorandum of understanding with the Russian Institute for Strategic Studies, which is the outfit that authored the Russian election interference campaign and gave it to Putin and then the Kremlin executed it.

So Pannos Kremlin is very closely tied to the Kremlin. Pappadopoulos was meeting with him if he was also having some sort of a meeting with Oleg Derapaska, and I'm not saying that we know that but that certainly is a possibility if noscaribka is on a yacht uh... in the in the gnc around that time let's be clear she doesn't own a boat uh... she was telling people that she was being taken around the world by oligdarapaska so so there's it's not just that she travels lot, it's that she actually was being taken to places. So if oligdarapaska was there, then pop it up was engaged in much higher level negotiations with the Russians than we realize, and that could be the basis for his cooperation deal, and I will say further, could be the sort of information Mueller

would not want him to reveal even in a sentencing memo. So there's still a chance that we're only seeing a sliver of the George Papadopolis story. Okay, and so do you think that wipe might be why in a in a recent interview, Papadopolis says that he now doesn't remember even telling Alexander Downer, that's the Australian diplomat in a London bar about having dirt on Hillary, maybe because he's been told not to say it. Well, let's let's put it this way. That's the most important fact, the most valuable piece of evidence that he could possibly hold based on what we know right now. So either he is guarding that piece of evidence

because for some benign reason, he is still attempting to protect people within the Trump administration specifically, people on the National Security Advisory Committee that Trump gathered together in March 2016 and that Poppedopolis was on, or he is guarding that incredibly valuable piece of intelligence because he has been instructed to do so by the Special Counsel. Again, I don't claim to know which it is, but I will say this.

Poppedopolis had a demonstrated history of immediately reporting to his superiors any information he received from the Russians, Joseph Mifsood, Ivan Timofeev, the Olga Bologradova, who was pretending to be Putin's niece, he immediately passed on information to the campaign, and this was the most valuable piece of intelligence he got. So the idea that he wouldn't pass this on or doesn't remember that he passed it on, let alone that he told the Greek Foreign Minister this, but wouldn't have told the campaign is absolute nonsense. I say that as a former criminal defense attorney,

as a former criminal investigator, you couldn't find a criminal defense attorney or criminal investigator who would believe pop it up list on that. No one would. Yeah, I think you're absolutely right. So before I let you go Seth, and before I want you to talk about how people can find your book proof of collusion, I wanted to ask you, I know that you know that you've said

it's not Pence who authored this op-ed. Who do you think it is based on all of your reading? I'll tell you honestly that I have actually given it very little thought because I'm not sure that it matters and let me tell you why I say that. If we are to believe the letter, and of course it's very difficult to judge its credibility when you don't know who wrote it and you certainly don't know why they wrote it, if we're to believe the letter, there is an entire resistance and that's now a self-described resistance, quote-unquote, within the White House that involves many people.

And I think that that's what the White House forgets as it's hunting for the author. The author said that he or she was part of a giant resistance. So it doesn't matter who wrote it, because that person is presumably in cahoots with, it could be 10, 12 dozens of other people throughout the government who are part of this effort so for that reason i kind of tuned out on the speculation of who wrote the letter because to me the broader point has already been made there is a right wing resistance within this white house that is apparently seeking to undermine this president

and they are doing so because they think he's a danger to the world and yet they will not do anything to advance the 25th amendment. Excellent. I agree. We just like to guess, but I do agree with all of that. So, tell, you have new book, Proof of Collusion. Tell my listeners where they can get it. So, the book comes out November 13th. It can be-ordered right now, basically everywhere, Amazon, Barnes and Noble, iTunes. You go on, go to Simon and Schuster website, Simon and Schuster is publishing it, you will find it.

I want people to know that this is number one, it's a massive book of proof of collusion. We're talking over 500 pages, and we're talking over 2,000 end notes and a team of fact checkers, not one or two, a team of fact checkers and attorneys looking at this book. So this will be as sourced, as cited and as fact checked, a Trump Russia book as there has been. This is not me writing my opinions or my speculations or my desires for the Trump-Russian investigation, it is the record of the public investigation of Trump-Russia collusion. Everything the public knows, which is far more than I think people realize, is contained in this book.

So, while you are waiting for Robert Mueller to release his report, which could be a very long time from now, while you are waiting for Congress to do anything, which you'll be waiting for ever on, because five of the six investigations have shuttered and the Senate intel investigation is stalled, this book will summarize for you everything that is part of the public investigation. And as I said, it's going to shock people because we know so much more than I think many people realize we do. Even people who watch this case on a daily basis probably have not come across more than I think many people realize we do. Even people who watch this case on a daily basis probably have not come across more than 90% of what's in the book. And I know that

that's hard to believe, but read the book and you'll see that it's true. All right, everybody catch that and you can follow Seth AtSeth Abramson on Twitter. Is that correct? AtSeth Abramson? Yes, that's right. And he's got incredible threads and and theories and and he he spells it all out for you. Like you said, all those thousands of footnotes and annotations in the book, he he does that. He gives you all the information that you're going to need to make up your mind for yourself. And so Seth, I appreciate you coming on today and I hope you have a good weekend. You too. Thank you so much for having me. All right. Bye bye. Bye. Then Thursday,

You too. Thank you so much for having me. All right, bye-bye. Bye. Then Thursday, a CNBC report came out saying Trump said he's willing to meet with Mueller, but doesn't want to be set up in a perjury trap. Basically admitting he's incapable of not lying. Giuliani then told the Associated Press a little bit later in the week, Trump will not answer any questions in writing or in person on obstruction. It's kind of, I dare you to subpoena us.

Right, basically. So we'll see what happens with that. Also, Thursday during a Trump rally in Montana, we met plaid shirt guy. So plaid shirt guy was an audience member standing behind Trump on TV during his speech. And plaid shirt guy kept making, oh my god, this guy is an idiot faces,

like right behind Trump and directly into the camera. Here's a clip from the speech where Trump tries to say the word anonymous. The latest active resistance is the op-ed published in the failing New York Times by an anonymous, really, anonymous, gutless, coward, you just look. So about halfway through Trump's speech, plaid shirt guy was quickly ushered out and replaced by a rally staffer that would make more supportive and loving faces to our degree. Making white nationalist symbols though, totally fine.

Oh yeah, yeah. Or O faces behind Trump, either either one. Yeah, Zena Gersh was that her name in the Kavanaugh hearing she was totally making those and I put it out there and people were like, come on she's trolling you she's it's stop it you're falling for dumb stuff and then she did it on the second day. Oh yeah, so I'm not crazy, but yes all she is she might be trolling the troll at troll level 9 million and I maybe I fell for it but that's a huge troll. It is yeah, it's a huge white power troll.

And she's half Mexican. God, dude, some of the craziest Trump supporters I know are Latino men. Isn't it weird? Yeah, I had an illegal immigrant tell me about Hillary's emails. Like how that was why they wouldn't vote for her. Wow. I know.

I'm not in a place to publicly go into psychoanalyzing that, you know, being my white self, but yeah, yeah, it's a very interesting diverse group of, you know, people. It could be a much more things. Trump definitely has that in spades. Yeah, I don't know. I really don't know, but I thought it was odd because everyone's like she's half Mexican, her grandma's a quarter Jew, or something. She's not making a white power symbol. And I'm like, she also worked on the family separation immigration policy with Stephen Miller who's been seen making that little gesture quite a bit as well. Oh no, she's just buttoning as good. You know what? I'm sorry guys. If you're mad at me that I even spent any time on this, it's important to me. I hate Nazis. Yeah, right. Also her name is Zina Bash. Zina? Zina Bash? Zina Bash. What did I say? Gersh? Gersh, I think. Yeah.

My name is Zina Fob. She knows. Warrior Princess. She loves her first name. Oh, I love her. She knows White Power Princess. She's a lesbian, right? Oh, that's the lesbian. She was. Oh, great.

She wasn't White Power, but this girl is. Okay. At least I don't think Warrior Princess was a White Power Princess. Probably not. I question the undertones of everything in our culture now. So anyway, hats off to plaid shirt guy, whoever you are. If you're listening, if you're listening, I hope you find the time to call into this podcast. We love to talk to you.

Then Friday, Obama gave his first speech in a while, like during this whole presidency, and he used the opportunity to completely unload on Trump. A lot of us were just so happy to see him again and get a chance to hear someone that can form sentences and could use his thoughts. You have house refreshing for sure. It was definitely incredible in my favorite part when he was like, how hard is that? How hard is it to say that you hate Nazis? So like, or you don't support Nazis?

I was like, right. Exactly, both sides that whole thing. Oh my God. It's very hard when you are one. Exactly. That's true. A story dropped Friday after Trump tweeted at Sessions to investigate the op-ed that Sessions

is preparing to be fired. Last week, we talked about Trump wanting to fire Sessions after the midterms, which of course would impact a Mueller investigation if he were able to get another one confirmed instead of just elevating Rosenstein. Just one of a million reasons. We have to retake the house in November. I wish it was sooner. I really do, because this cabinet here is killing me. Oh, yeah

Then we found out a Russian hacker that targeted financial institutions like fidelity investments Dow Jones and JP Morgan and Chase He had higher aspirations than the guy who hacked LinkedIn He was hacking that in a 2012 to 2015. He was arrested in Georgia the country Not our state and he was extradited to the United States. His name is Tyran, or Tyran, and he faces up to 97 years in prison for this. Conspiracy to commit computer hacking, wire fraud, computer hacking conspiracy to commit securities fraud, conspiracy to violate the on-leafable Internet Gambling Enforcement Act, conspiracy to commit wire fraud and bank fraud and aggravated identity theft.

This story is not as of yet connected to the election interference or the Mueller investigation, but I wanted to bring it up because the list of charges will be similar to what a lot of Trump associates will face for their conspiracy. So when people ask you what is collusion, that is collusion. If we learn that the arrest was directly associated with proffer from someone in the Mueller investigation, like maybe Papadopoulolis, he will count as a rando in the fantasy indictment league, but for now it's not connected. It's not connected and we'll be seeing if there are any

connections to Mueller, if they're reported. We'll let you know. Also Friday, the Daily Beast reported that two DOJ officials have been passively resisting Trump since he took office. Additionally, a staffer from the White House was quoted in Axios, The Daily Beast reported that two DOJ officials have been passively resisting Trump since he took office. Additionally, a staffer from the White House was quoted in Axios saying there are dozens of resistors in the White House, so it seems like that op-ed might have opened Pandora's box.

People are coming forward now. It wasn't me. Then we learned that the National Park Service intentionally edited photos of Trump's inauguration to make the crowd look bigger. Oh my God. Somebody at the Parks Department came out and admitted, we doctored those photos. That's crazy. It's been almost a year.

Are we too accustomed to this to not care about that? Because that would have been huge a year ago. A some North Korea shit. You see two years ago? January 20th, 2016. Oh my God, it hasn't been two years. It has, yeah, 2016. Oh my God.

Almost two years. God, fucking longest two years in a life. Oh no, it seems like a million. I think this has all been a simulation. Yeah, well, I'm betting on that now. I'm totally scared. So does Elon Musk, who, dropped like 6% because he smoked weed on Joe Rogan's podcast. Yeah.

He talks about time travel and solving the world's issues, takes one hit of a blood. Pernive! Wouldn't it be funny if Elon Musk got high and just started talking reasonable? Yeah. Oh, that'd be great. Like, he's all, oh, time travel, we're in a computer simulation, the odds are 99% and then he takes a hit of weed and he's like, I like, cheese. He gets less, like the more he smokes with weed.

It's like a South Park episode, don't worry, questions, he asks. That'd be funny, yeah. Because he's pretty wack of do already. Yeah, yeah. Maybe weed would have the opposite effect on him, but I don't know, I didn't listen to the pot, I'll have to check it out. You should, it's interesting. The Daily Beast also reported that in a court document that was unsealed,

Shira Bashard alleged that Broidy demanded she get an abortion. This is the lady who was paid $1.6 million to get an abortion. She also said he refused to wear a condom and did not tell her he had genital herpes. Oh my f***! She also alleged that Keith Davidson, that's the guy who I think was in Cahoots with Cohen. Her former attorney told her that Broidy would sue her for child support if she kept the baby. And the court document said that Broidy would push her to drink excessively, so she'd be more

compliant towards his physical abuse, and that he would hurt her during sex. But what this means is that it wasn't Trump. Guys, remember when we were like thinking it was Trump and he was taking the fall? Yeah, this is probably worse actually. It's not Trump. So take beans off of that. But damn, Brody is an asshole. Yeah, he's the worst. Almost put like a trigger warning before that is fucking horrible, isn't it? Yeah, I made it.

Could he not be my boyfriend anymore? Yeah, you're allowed. Thank you. Yeah, it's bad for word out, sexual assault. I'm officially leaving him. Good job. Thank you. We're here to support you. It was not funny anymore. It's not funny at all anymore, actually.

I'm triggered. It's just absolutely horrible that he would do that. And then we've got Manafort making his wife do orgies. And like, who the fuck are these people? The worst. I mean, do we fuck are these people? The worst. I mean, the best. I mean, the best. Really?

Yeah. Oh, it's so gross. Then, Papa Doppler finally got sentenced. And they only gave him 14 days. I'm sure we all remember he was charged with lying to the FBI about his contact with Russians during the election. And he is the first Trump advisor to be sentenced. But he's not the first guy to go to jail in the Mueller probe.

That distinct honor goes to Vandars-W1, son of Herman Khan, Alpha Bank executive. He already served his sentence and then they deported his ass. Immediately. They were like, no, no tall, better looking white lawyers than me in this country. He was cute. Yeah, he was. Well, there'd be like an award show for the Mueller probe, like cutest criminal or like first to get arrested. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. We should have some motion.

We got court. Mueller is the Mueller award. The Mueller. Mueller. The probies. The probies. Oh my god. A.G. That's brilliant. The probies. It's like the whole probies. And then can the award be like a pap schmier thing? Oh yeah, we could have all sorts of probies. I'm all for it. Let's get some sponsors on it. Oh boy, we're with this Speculum award. It's cold. Yeah, yeah, put it in the oven put it in the specula mother Although I started to get hot flashes so you know, yeah for that. I'm just gonna make that extra fun Anyway pop-a-dop go into jail 14 days poor thing. Then what I think is the big story this week,

it dropped Friday. And this is going to sound weird, but stick with me. It's that Putin and Russia rejected Turkey's call for peace in Syria. This is huge. Putin appeared at a trilateral meeting with Iran and Turkey and said Russia would continue its fight against terrorists in Idlib province. That's the last stronghold of the Syrian opposition against Assad, Assad is the terrible leader of Syria that we oppose currently. Syrian military forces backed by Russia and Iran are getting ready to launch a major offensive there soon.

Turkey and their president Erdogan had long backed some rebel groups there and has told Russia and Iran that it didn't want Idlib turning into a bloodbath. However, Russia and Iran are allies of Syria's president Assad and Russian air strikes backed by Iranian fighters have happened to fight rebels in Syria on Assad's behalf. Iran's president Rouhani said fighting terrorism in Idlib is an unavoidable part of the mission of restoring peace. So basically, we have to have war if we want to have peace, which sounds like fucking to be a virgin.

It's weird. The UN is concerned that a war will create a huge humanitarian and refugee disaster. Not to mention the U.S US envoy for Syria has said that there's evidence that chemical weapons are being prepared. And Idlib has 2.9 million civilian residents, a million of which are children. And I bring this up not just because of the humanitarian implications that and that we have troops there that Russia would be attacking, but I bring this up because I'm also wondering where the United States was during this summit. Our president was tweeting at our AG trying to get him to investigate his political enemies, and it's embarrassing. And how often, or, and how, how, well, how

are they going to respond to this extremely important issue, Trump? Because we've said in the past that we are against Assad, there are some problems with that, though, because some of the rebels that are holding Idlib are al-Qaeda. But considering that Trump is fully compromised by Putin and that we should be against Assad, it could be very tricky. And my point here is that Trump will be unable to respond cleanly because Putin has dirt on him. He's compromised.

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Okay, so today, Jordan is going to talk to us about Fear, the forthcoming book by legendary journalist Bob Woodward, who broke the Watergate story with Carl Bernstein originally. But first, a Bloomberg article came out this week that posits that Miff Sud, the professor that pop a doc connected with over Hillary emails, could be dead. We talked about this possibility last week, a little bit with Grant Stern. So Julie, so what do you have for us on Miff Sud? Yeah, so this week in a Deadman tail no tails, basically the committee put out a statement, the DNC committee put out a statement on the hill,

indicating that they used a private investigator to find MIFSID, who was missing for several months, and on the day that popped up, a K.A. coffee boy, was sentenced to jail for lying about contacts with MIFSID, the DNC lawyers from a separate case raised the possibility that MIFSID may be dead. So MIFSID was believed to be a Russian agent and the DNC who's suing Russia, the Trump campaign and WikiLeaks, said in a core filing on Friday that they believed all the defendants

in the case have been served with the complaint, quote, with the exception of Mifsood who is missing and may be deceased. And they didn't say anything else about it. So they just dropped that bombs shell and just kept on moving. So basically a mysterious key witness in the Mueller investigation who used Pompadop to set up Trump might be dead and they're like, yeah, well, we tried. And I don't know what else they can do or say about it. But there's going to be a hearing on the DNC lawsuit on September 13, which is this Thursday.

So that'll be interesting. I'm just really sad for the kid. Didn't he have like a love shot out there? So I was gonna say, I feel fucked up now because in earlier episodes, we were joking about how he like could have died and now his kid's not gonna have a dead. Exactly. He like really did die.

I'm sure you had a fucking sad Beyonce who was pregnant at the time and now he would have an infant yeah No more than one. I don't think yeah, I can't really remember the timeline, but it is it's really it's really Horp and that just kind of you know shows the the level to which Putin will go. Yeah falling into that circle is just fucking Dangerous. Yeah, absolutely. Stay away. Yeah. I mean, you know the threats that exist when you enter into work with him. Well, even working against him, you know,

is a threat, so it's like, especially. Yeah, it's hard. It's hard to be a good person and still not get murdered by Putin somehow. Yeah. When you get really into it, I guess. I guess maybe he could have just been blackmailed or something, and that's why he was sort of doing his bidding.

We speculated on that. I remember when we first started reporting. Yeah, I wonder. I mean, he probably have just been blackmailed or something and that's why he was sort of doing his bidding we speculated on that I remember when we first started reporting. Yeah, I wonder I mean he probably was a piece of shit But you're right. It would be interesting if he was blackmailed and that could have been a part of it or combination Yeah, it's just sad my hope my real hope is that he is in US protective custody somewhere Oh hell yeah, yeah, that'd be an interesting plot twist. Yeah, the the dams wouldn't know that when they followed that lawsuit Right, right no one would Yeah, you're still That's the idea. I mean hey, we can it's just a new shit broke. We can yeah, we can see what happens for sure

Yeah, we will I'm sure we'll hear more about it as that stuff comes out and as the hearing happens on September 13th Yep, this Thursday, great. Well, we'll definitely win that follow. Yeah, next month Yes Whenever we feel like everything feels like an eternity now say. Great. Well, we'll definitely win that. Follow it next month. Absolutely. Come back. Yes. We'll follow up whenever we feel like everything feels like an eternity now. All right. Thank you so much for that. Thank you. And now Jordan, tell us about the leaks from the forthcoming Bob Woodward book called Fear. Yeah. So there's a book coming out by the dude Bab Woodward, good old dude, who wrote? He this was news to me because I'm young as fuck obviously so when I first heard his name

I'm like who is that but he is same one of the most important journalists in the history of America broke the watergate scandal So story bro. Yeah, cool story bro And then went on to write countless amount of books covering various topics. He even covered drug culture when John Belushi died, but most notably he covers, you know, he does an amazing job at covering past presidencies and current presidencies. And so he's writing one about Donald Trump. And some of the excerpts from the book leaked this week, the book is set to come out September 11th. And before I go into some of the leaks, I wanted to give you the story of the origin of the title because it's chilling slightly it comes from a quote that

Trump actually said in an interview in 2016 he said real power is I don't even want to use the word fear I don't even want to use the word did Did he say that or did you say that? Trump said that. Yeah, it's a weird thing to say before you say it. As if he knew how wrong it was, but he's like, well, that's what I believe. Yeah, really weird. Unrelated interview.

But still interesting. Very insightful. Yeah. Okay, so let's go through some of the stuff that comes out in this book or we're expecting to see in the book. It's a final copy that he's already made, so it's not going to change. So this is definitely the book. First thing. He, he, uh, Trump apparently wanted to assassinate Syrian President all of a sudden. So remember when in April 2017, the US launched a cruise missile strike against the Syrian regime air base. Oh yeah. So that was the, uh,

walked back version of a military response to that chemical strike. Trump said, quote, let's fucking kill him. Let's go in. Let's kill the fucking lot of them. He told that to Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis, to which Jim Mattis said, behind his back to senior staffers, quote, we're not going to do any of that. We're going to be much more measured. Thank God for Mattis.

Terrifying though to know. The main takeaway from that obviously is that Donald Trump're going to be much more measured. Thank God format is terrifying though to know. The main takeaway from that obviously is that Donald Trump is willing to reactively assassinate leaders around the world. I hesitate to even call him a leader, but you know what I mean? It's interesting because Assad is allied with Putin. Right. Right. That's an interesting that he would be like, just kill him. He probably didn't know that. I'm guessing. Oh, that's a good point. Well, I mean, I don't think much of what Trump does is calculated a lot of the time.

It's reactionally. I like you were saying. Yeah, it's a reactionary pulse of... But I do think immediately, yeah, as soon as he learns that he's a putin' alley, saying, afloch. All right, well, I can't be forward on that, but thank God for Matt is still terrifying.

So another thing that comes out is Trump apparently conceives of the North Korea issue as something that can be solved. Monoimano, he says that the policy between America and North Korea basically boils down to quote unquote me versus Kim. So in a fall interview in 2017, Trump told Rob Porter about how he wanted to handle the ongoing nuclear tensions with North Korea,

saying that essentially if the two can be boys, then people will be saved, which is an incredibly inflated and ego-tistical approach to take to North Korea, who is for decades and decades been a human rights abuser. I don't need to go down the list, but to think that them having a good personal relationship is going to actually do the deed to solve that complex issue is ignorant and shortsighted and scary because obviously that's not what's going to work. You want to say something? Oh totally. I was just going to agree with you, dude. Yeah, it's like, it's ridiculous.

I was going to think it's kind of sexist, too, but the whole boys comment, maybe they didn't mean it that way, but it's like, Oh no, sorry, that was my thing. Oh, okay, okay, yeah. Literally what he said was, he said, quote, Oh, well, no, he did say man versus man. He said, this is all about leader versus leader, man versus man, me versus Kim.

Does he think mono, he mono means man versus man? That would explain a lot. I think I think that means that. No. Doesn't that mean it means that. No. It doesn't not mean that. Hand to hand. Oh, sorry, everyone. Which I guess parallel analogies, yeah, yeah.

Monos, the hands of faith. Oh, that would make sense. Just based on all the Westerns I've seen, in the Innsan, everything. Oh, yeah. I thought I was their Monoie Monos. Yeah. Oh, good point. No, that makes, yeah.

You know, I took French in high school. I regret it every day. I took German. And in fact, I thought Monoie Mono met Man to Man until I left Cleveland. So shows you where I'm at. I was really just saying it because I learned it recently. Of course, it's just one of the things you know what I knew about it. There. Yeah. So basically, obviously, you know, their North Korean summit was wildly unsuccessful Most recently Trump canceled Secretary of State Mike Pompeo's trip to North Korea Over disagreements and how you know they're they're refusing to essentially comply with denuclearizing themselves and

Whatever he's an idiot and he uh that's coming out in the book I guess the extent of his idiocy on North Korea Another thing that leaked Trump tried to withdraw the US from a trade deal with South Korea so this is Really sad to me um essentially what happened so the US has the US Korea free trade agreement and under this agreement 145 billion dollars in goods and services a year are traded between the two countries and it's mostly tariff free So why this is important for South Korea? Obviously it stimulates their economy it keeps good relationships with

Us and them and they're a huge ally to us especially as we are working to protect them essentially against North Korea potentially we have a program going over there where we're trying to develop Technology that can you know detect missiles within some crazy short amount of time. And him threatening, there was a letter on Trump's desk we learned that was going to pull us out of that agreement as soon as he signed it. And one of Trump's uh, state Gary Cohn, he's Trump's top economic advisor, he was so fearful that Trump was going to sign this letter. He literally removed the letter from his desk. He said, quote, I stole it off his desk.

I wouldn't let him see it. He's never going to see that document. Got to protect the country. Damn. That's crazy. That's so scary. And we go on to learn to in these some of these leaks that this happens a lot. High up Trump staffers are essentially intervening themselves and just rogue trying to keep things under control.

It's described as, you know, woodward describes the tactic as no less than an administrative coup d'état. And a line's exactly with an op-ed that came out this week. We also have 2800 troops, sorry, 28,000 troops in South Korea. So if that deal goes awry, I imagine, I don't think our troops would say there. I don't think our program would continue there to help them detect missiles. It would just completely break down relations with South Korea, which is essential for the safety of not only South Koreans, but North Koreans as well. Another takeaway, Egypt's president brought up the Russian investigation during a negotiation with Trump.

So basically, what he had said in April 2017, they were having a discussion about the release of Aya Hijazi, who is an Egyptian-American aid worker. That was in captivity in Egypt. And Egypt's leader and Donald Warren the phone and his name's Al-Sisi, he said to Donald Trump, Donald, I'm worried about this investigation. Are you going to be around?

Donald Trump then told his personal lawyer that his chat with Sisi was like, a kick in the nuts. What nuts? That is very true. Yeah, he's got some kind of nuts, but there's some sort of GMO nuts, some alien. Some chien nuts, illegal alien nuts.

So chien nuts, illegal, illegal. Yeah, those are fake balls that you can buy to put in your dog's nuts sack to make them look manly. Oh my God, it is a real thing. Or some guys who have testicular cancer will get a nutical implanted so that they can have their ball back. That's beautiful.

Or you hang them on the back of your pickup truck. Yep, nuticles. Yeah. So this on the back of your pickup truck? Yep, neutacles. Yeah. So this is just kind of, this is like a little, you know, I don't know if there's probably a jab coming from him to Donald Trump. But what's scary about this is the idea that there are leaders around the globe,

or dictators, that we need to talk with, and we need to have diplomacy with, but there's a potential that they're going to not take anything seriously that they're going to do with our country right now because they don't even know if Trump's going to be there. And it's likely that he's not going to be there. So that would be fair for them to not invest a certain level of seriousness in their negotiations with him on a variety of matters. And that's a very...

Well, I start a huge, long diplomatic negotiation if in six months Trump won't be there. Exactly. It's pointless. Are not pointless, but it seems like it is. It is. I mean, it is two degrees. OK, and finally, this is the last takeaway that I

saw that I think is important. Mattis apparently said that Trump acts like a fifth or sixth grader, and then Mattis went said that Trump acts like a fifth or sixth grader, and then Mattis went around and denied that he said that or has ever said anything disparaging like that about the president either in or behind his back. So that is troubling a little bit. I mean, it's good. Obviously, I think that Matt clearly, matters, thinks that Trump is not giving competent

suggestions of what to do with the military because the example of saying we should bomb and kill Assad immediately. Him not doing that, but what's a bummer to me about this is that it can potentially maybe negate some of the things reported in the book if Matt is just turning around saying he didn't say that, but he has to. He has to say that. Well, yeah, and we've talked about that a little bit earlier. And the reason Mattis and Kelly might be coming out and saying it's all lies, it's all

bullshit is because they feel like they have to stay in their positions in order to keep the world from exploding. Yeah, just like that op-ed. Yeah, it's the same thing. They don't want to reveal the identity, but they still stand with them. And that's something else too. Do you just mention the op-ed? All of these things now, the book, the Woodward book, the Amarosa book, the David Wolf book, Fire and Fury, and the op-ed, and then these

other subsequent people coming out saying that they've seen the same things are all on the same page. So while you might not find the credibility in a book like Fire and Fury or Amarosa's book, Woodward's credibility is unmatched as a journalist. He's got tapes of everything by the way. And we're going to be covering this book in our Mala Shiroot book club starting as soon as we get it, September 11th, whatever the week is after that. And that's going to be for patrons. So if you want to become a patron, you can still do it like for a dollar at malaShiroot.com. But the credibility of Woodward is impeccable. And in fact, Trump tweeted out in March of 2013 saying Woodward is, you know, awesome because he'd written a book about the Obama administration. And basically

the big scandal that came out in that book was that Obama apparently might have been a bit heavier handed on the moderate budget than he let on. Oh my God. Ooh, it's so scary. It's good. Yes. So, but yeah, Woodward has, you know, Trump tweeted like, great Woodward, go ahead and try to, you know, refute this Obama Woodward's awesome.

And now he's like, amazing. Yeah. And so now it's completely the opposite because it's somebody saying something bad about him. Yeah. You'll notice when the book comes out that Trump and any direct quotes from him to Woodward do not exist because he tried to reach out to the White House for comment from the president

and he got no response. And there's actually, you can look it up right now, the Washington Post published a conversation Woodward had with Trump after Trump learned that this book was being published, Trump's essentially saying, why didn't you call me, dude? You could have tried reaching all of the people that are around me, why didn't you try? dude? You could have tried reaching all of the people that are around me

Why don't you try and Bob Woodard is like I did I reached out to at least seven or eight people I tried very hard to get in contact with you. I talked to Kellyanne She didn't get back to me and then Donald's like I'm gonna go see all of you. Let me get her in here She just come from me. Yes. Oh my god And like no, I remember that I do Oh, yeah, and you can that's a great voice for her and you can tell you can tell so much about And she's like, no, I remember that. I do. I remember that. And you can, that's a great voice for her.

And you can tell, you can tell so much about what it's like working for him with how she reacts. She says, well, I could tell you that I, I, I know that Donald is going to want to know the names of all the people that you asked to talk to him. So it's sent over like a list of those names. So they can essentially be fucking fired. I think my favorite last. Kelly and Conway said this week, she did an interview I think with CNN when they were

asking her about the op-ed and she said, Trump's gonna sus out who it, Trump, what was it, Trump? Oh, they're gonna sus themselves out or something like that. She completely misused the word sus, which is a British term. Yeah, I don't even know what that word means. So that's fine, but I mean, it means to figure it out. Like, but she used it completely improperly and I just laughed at her for a minute.

Yeah, I'm surprised. But she's a laughable person. She really is, yeah, but she got thrown out of the bus. I'm sure Donald had some, I don't know, like, he kind of Donald this episode. I don't think I like it. Trump is gonna have some words with her. And apparently Lindsey Graham did talk to Donald Trump and on the phone

He does remember he's like, oh no, yeah, you're right. Lindsey Graham did come talk to me and then it's like all right Well, then that's fucking fault that isn't it, but of course he's not gonna just have another bad book. Okay, I guess too bad It's too bad. Yeah, you're gonna have more than I was gonna say that's not too bad. Yeah, that's like five bad Five bad books. That's great. It's great. Thank you for that reporting. And I look forward to reading that book.

We're gonna get it when everybody else gets it. So we're doing a book club for it, right? Yeah, we are. Yeah, they didn't send us an advance copy though. So we have to wait until everyone else does. That's fine. That's okay. We're part about reading that book.

He's gonna be seeing his big fat face on the front every time we read it. Because that's the cover. It's just enlarged. Triggering. It fills up the entire cover. Gross. But it's all red like in Canada.

Oh yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. All right, guys, I want to go over the Kavanaugh hearings that started this week. So what does that have to do with Russia and Mueller? You might ask. Have you discussed Mueller or his investigation with anyone at Casowitz, Benson, and Torres, the law firm

founded by Mark Casowitz, President Trump's personal lawyer. All right. Be sure about your answer, sir. Well, I'm not remembering, but if you have something you want to- That clip went on for about eight minutes. And he was worse than when they asked me on a fort in our opening sequence. Well that's what he said.

That's what our position is. It was like that. I don't know. And then the Republican Senator interjected and said, this isn't fair law firms or like rabbits and they're always multiplying and changing off new strings and you can't know who everyone who works at law firm. But it's clear she was asking about a specific person she couldn't name because it's from a committee confidential document but that's a really interesting piece and it ties directly into the Mueller investigation because if Kavanaugh and

Mueller or Kavanaugh and Trump's lawyers were talking, that's a problem, particularly if they were talking about Mueller and apparently she's got documents that say that, what are you gonna say? Oh no, no, no, no, no, it just sucks. Yeah. Then one thing that I noticed a lot were the protests that first started

from the very get-go, from the very get-go, from the moment that the hearings began, protesters shouting, oh no, be hero, and they were dragged out one by one over 70 were arrested the first day I don't have a total for the week, but wow a lot of protesters. It seems like more than usual that happens a lot happened with Gorsuch and never happens with when Democrats appoint judges, but It happened a lot for that. Because liberals are just crazy. We just want rights for you. It's weird.

There's nothing to protest. And those are the protests when Trump, like a couple hours ago, there should be legal, it's embarrassing. You know what, you're embarrassing. Then another tactic they tried, the Republicans tried to pull, was that the night before they were uploading 42,000 documents into this reader program that takes a while for the things to upload, they were all finally finished uploading at 6.41 the next morning and the hearing started at 9.30.

So all the Democrats tried to make a point of order that they wanted to enter a motion to delay the hearings because they haven't had a chance to look at all the documents. And they just kept saying, no, you can't, as point of order, we're not in executive session, this is a hearing, but then they use that as an excuse to do something different that like later on, they were like, no, we're not in a, we're not in hearing, we're in executive session, so you can't bring that. Like, what the fuck are we in? And what can we do? And because what the hell, bro, and it was just really difficult to watch that first day. They didn't even get to his opening statements until the end of the day.

Yeah, yeah, because everyone was objecting. Right, and when they started too, the chairman would only talk over women explicitly. Yeah, as soon as any males that were resisting started speaking, he would let them have the floor. He's an angry little fucker too. Dude, listen to me, I'm just glancing. I would not lose control.

Either I run the committee or the committee runs me. And I'm just tired of these fucking white dudes, like in charge of, you know, I have reproductive privilege. I am beyond the age of where I would need an abortion. But God damn it, that pisses me off so badly. Like, you have to... How can you not have all the documents and give people adequate time to review them? My team reviewed them all. No, you didn't. I was hoping that one of the Democratic senators would start asking questions from the 42 documents

to be like, really? Did you review them all? Well, what's this? And what's this? And like... Oh, yeah. You can't expect me to remember 42,000 documents. I just, oh, he's just so mad. Like what a, I hope his life sucks. Yeah, I mean, I feel about him. Maybe he, he annoys me half as much as Tray Gowdy. Half as much. Yeah, he's the worst person to watch on C-SPAN. Jim Jordan, but he's pretty bad. Yeah. Oh, yeah, that's true. Jim Jordan. Yeah. To, uh, to the chairman's credit, though, I hate to say that, but he did admit that he has been

ran over by the committee and he allowed the president that was set by him being bolded as by them essentially to continue at one point. He did say. I have to give him some credit for that. Yeah, he was like, well, I let everyone talk as long as they want. I can't take it away now. That's why he was like, you run the committee, you run the committee, you got to damn it, flabbyly.

Oh well, I guess I'll have to let you talk. But I'm not going to entertain any motions, but not even a motion to vote on it. Or it was, I don't, it's like, they didn't give a shit about the rules of the Senate. No, and they said that they should have been able to hire people to look over all the documents. Are you, what are you talking about?

I don't, maybe I just don't know how Washington works. I mean, it's actually conceivable, but it just to anyone else that's listening, that's an actual citizen that sounds ridiculous. Right. Let's think about it. Let's say you got 42,000 documents and you hire 420 people each to review a thousand documents. And then you go, is that right? Yeah.

No, 42 people to do a thousand documents or 420, 200 documents. Then you go, all right, review them all. And then or 420 do a hundred documents then you go all right review them all and then you split it all up and then you go all right so how am I gonna get all of their knowledge into my fucking head so that I can ask questions you can't do it unless you're in the matrix and you have a program uploaded and now you know Giu Jitsu and what's in the 43 thousand documents it wouldn't work. The Republicans are robots, that's why. That's why they could do it. Oh, they're the men in the suits, right?

Yeah, agents. Russian agents. Sometimes I think we should have a computer as the Supreme Court. Oh. Just a computer, they know, what's up. Like, you have to have all the law, they know. Future Homestyle, yeah.

Like, what is love? People should be able to love who they want to be in I think it'd be great anyway nice robots What Wednesday night we tweeted out that the Democrat I was like you should just release the documents Just release them if if you know what's in should just release the documents, just release them. If you know what's in them, and they're really important, just release them. What are they gonna do?

They could expel you from the Senate that requires 67 votes. They're not gonna fucking get that. No one's gonna bother. So I tweeted at Booker and Leahy and Feinstein and a couple others, I was like, just do it, just release them. Then they did, the next morning,

I don't think it's because I told them to. But maybe you and people like you. Every nice, but I don't think so. They're like, oh, look, Mueller, she wrote, says we should just release the documents. She's right. We hadn't thought about that before. Thank you for pointing that out. Use the genius.

I read all of our tweets. So a handful of senators released emails that were supposed to be committee confidential, a break in the law, but what's interesting is Burke is the guy who decided what was committee confidential. And Senator Cory Booker brought that up to the committee. Committee confidential is designated usually a designation reserved for a handful of documents that could be sensitive, such as like this guy had a DUI or some criminal history or something. And Burke is a private lawyer. Cory Booker's like, who the fuck is this guy? In fact, he's currently the lawyer representing ban and pre-bison McGahn in the Mueller investigation. And remember when we said that perhaps Burke

was advising those three not to answer questions and congressional committees? Maybe their side didn't want the GOP to learn what they knew. And I was wondering for a second, and then I stopped. But I was wondering if this withholding of the Kavanaugh documents was for the same reason. Like if you listen to the Kamala Harris line of questioning, it's clear Kavanaugh had discussions about Mueller with someone at Casowitz's law firm. So maybe this is part of the obstruction case? I don't know.

That's pretty far fetched. But why else would Burke have been given that job? And who gave it to him? That's what I want to know. Good questions, yeah. I'm curious. So one of the emails that they released, quote, I am not sure, OK, so there's so many documents.

I'm only going to go over the ones that I thought were super important. And what was interesting is the molar document that Kamel Harris was referring was not released. And that could also be because you don't want to, it's an open and ongoing investigation. The Mueller document about him talking to someone from that law firm, you mean? Exactly. Exactly.

So, or whatever email it was or however she knew, whatever the documents that she knew that he had talked to somebody at the Casowitz Law firm about the Mueller investigation, that did not get released. But one of the things was an email that he wrote about Roe v. Wade, where he basically says it's not settled law. He says quote, I am not sure that all legal scholars refer to Roe as the settled law of the land at the Supreme Court level since the court can always overrule its precedent and three current justices on the court would do so. So that could be very important to Murkowski and Collins who are pro-choice Republicans. You just need a couple people. And so right now what you should be doing is calling Morkowski not Morkowski.

Morkowski and Collins because they are pro-choice Republicans, they're women, and they, you know, they've heard this now and, you know, Kavanaugh doesn't think Ro is settled. That's frightening. That's handmaid's tail frightening. It was also revealed in the documents that Kavanaugh has views way outside the mainstream on whether or not a president is above the law. Like, he's the only judge in the whole land that thinks that the president could shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue, which John Dean testified to. He said, so what basically what Kavanaugh is saying is he could try Trump could shoot

somebody in cold blood on Fifth Avenue and not have to face any criminal prosecution or investigation. That's the most ridiculous thing ever. It's been settled several times that the president is not above the law, USV Nixon, for example, USV Clinton. I mean, it's come out that Clinton could face civil lawsuit from the lady and that like, it's just it's settled law. But Kavanaugh's not settled, I can overturn it. It's like, fuck you. Sorry. We also found out that Kavanaugh lied to the Senate committee a few times back in 2004 and 2006.

We found out he lied about not handling the judge-pickering nomination. He was a very controversial nomination under the Bush White House. And the documents the Dems released showed he did work on a lot of the pickering nomination. He was kind of central in it. It also came out in 2004 and 2006. He lied to the Senate, particularly Leahy, saying he never saw any of the stolen democratic Miranda memos. Basically that was a whole tranche of memos

that were stolen from the Democrats and given to the Republicans so that they could, basically, use it for political reasons. These are political reasons. And he said he didn't have any of that, but it turns out there was an email to Brett Kavanaugh with the subject spying all about the Miranda documents, like directly to him, so he lied.

And it also came out that he lied about having anything to do with discussions on the legality of warrantless wiretapping and enhanced interrogation techniques when he was a staff secretary at the Bush White House. Another thing that came out was Kavanaugh had referred to birth control as abortion-inducing drugs in one of his ruling, which, first of all, it's not how Lady Parts work. Second of all, this means it's not just row that's in jeopardy, but contraceptives as

well. Yes. That's terrifying. It is. Sorry to laugh so hard. That's just so ridiculous. Is Plan B considered, do you think he's talking about Plan B? No, he's talking about birth control.

What a fucking idiot. Not even Plan B. Not even RU486, which was the actual abortion inducing pill. Like maybe he's confusing them. I mean, I guarantee he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. So that wouldn't. If I had to guess, it sounds crazy to even think, but like, what if he thinks that it's just like the fact that it exists, makes people think like, like, oh, that's, I should go out and get it because I can. Like, he thinks it induces abortions.

Like, it doesn't understand how the pill works. He doesn't fucking understand it, but there's Republican senators who think we pee out of our vagina holes. So, you know, good point. They are some crazy people. They don't understand how, you know what? And that's weird because they seem to have a huge appetite

for weird sex stuff. It's not voting for them, please. And their defense took me until I was was like 13 to figure that out. Okay. So a 13 year old girl has more knowledge about the female body than people who are regulated. Yeah. That's messed up man. It is.

Yeah, I didn't understand about Pete either for a while. Yeah. The urethra was pretty weird. It does a weird discovery. My mom never told me about it. I learned that like a month ago though. And mostly like a really inappropriate a urethra Franklin joke there.

I'm not kidding. You can do that too soon. Too way too soon. All right, Senator Cory Booker noted in these hearings that Kavanaugh was not on the list of conservative judges provided to Trump by the Heritage Foundation and the Federalist Society. So basically, Trump, when he was running for office

said, I will pick a judge that is approved by the Heritage Foundation and the Federalist Society. These are two super conservative anti-abortion, anti-choice, anti-gay marriage groups. And they are the ones who put these lists together. Kavanaugh wasn't on it until the Mueller probe started. And then he's named, just showed up on it. And he's the one who it until the Mueller probe started. And then he's named just showed up on it. And he's the one who thinks that the president's

above the law. Hmm, weird. Yep. And I talked about John Dean testifying that was interesting. But more importantly to me was a line of questioning from Senator Harris about whether or not Kavanaugh had conversations with anyone at Kazawhits Benson Torres. That's a law firm founded by Casowitz, which is Trump's lawyer. And she asked about if he'd had any discussions with anyone from that firm about Mueller or his investigation. And he couldn't answer it. I don't know who works there.

I don't understand. And like I said, it wasn't until that Republican Senator like broke in and said, it's impossible to know. And then from then on, Kavanaugh was like, yeah, I don't know who works there. I can and said it's impossible to know and then and then from then on Cavanaugh's like, yeah, I don't know who works there. I can't answer your question. Tell I know who was feeding him like crappy answers Yeah, so and so let's talk about who Casowitz is in case you we've reported on him a lot He's he was in last weeks what the fuck awards story remember Jolo and Prasmischel from the Fuji's and Broide Yeah, Casowitz was repin Jolo and Casasma Shal from the Fuji's? And Broide?

Yeah, Casowitz was Reppin' Jolo. And Casowitz also helped Kushner get a real estate loan from Deutsche Bank and may have played a role in the firing of Prit Barara. So he talked, so Kavanaugh talked to somebody at that firm about the Mueller investigation. That's what Camel Harris was getting at. And it was important enough for her to read it

out of a committee confidential document, risking her job, but not really. But that was not released to the public, like I said. So we don't know what that conversation was about, but spicy files on Twitter, if you don't follow them, you should, has posted proof that a pack to get Kavanaugh confirmed, bought their website and set it up back in February of 2017. So they've been working on this for a while. And all and here's something else that they brought up to all these papers that that are committee confidential right now or that they haven't gotten a hold of. They'll all come out by 2019. And I think we can impeach a judge and I hope we do

because he will more or more than likely be impeachable. Well, be confirmed. Yeah, that's you. Yeah. And then if we can get him out, we can put maybe Marik Garland in there like we were supposed to. Oh, that'd be confirmed. Yeah, yeah, that's you. Yeah. And then if we can get him out, we can put maybe Merrick Garland in there like we were supposed to. Oh, that'd be amazing. Like Ukraine. Didn't they put in their politician that they? Yeah, but that was the president.

Oh, you're right. Totally different. Voted hacking in all that. Yeah. Not the same in America. You're right. Different situations, specifically. Yeah.

Yeah. We don't, like, we don't do operate quite that way. But speaking of Merrick Garland, some late breaking news dropped today, that Saturday, we record on Saturday that the Democratic Coalition filed a criminal complaint against Brett Kavanaugh for perjury in congressional testimony. The Democratic Coalition is a national super PAC based in DC, founded by Joe Cooper and friend of the Pod Scott Dworkin. According to the filing, Kavanaugh lied to Senator Leahy in 2004 and 2006 during his

hearings for the DC Circuit Court of Appeals, and twice during his confirmation hearing this week. The kicker to this is that a separate judicial ethics complaint will be submitted Monday by Dworkin and Cooper to the DC Circuit Court for review by Judge Merrick Garland. All of the sweet justice. I mean, it's like, it's not what he wanted in the beginning, but I love that he's involved now. He should have just been the judge. He's on the DC Circuit Court. Oh, that's what he's been.

But he's not the Supreme Court judge, but I mean, it still counts. It's like Bernie Gomez reviewing this criminal review of Judgment. Yeah, it's beautiful. Yeah, I love the karma. It's good. I appreciate it.

Do they not have any sort of conflict of interest rules? I was thinking that, like, shouldn't he recuse himself from this case, and he might. Yeah, like, I'm a bitter bitch. But, you know, maybe not. I mean, if Kavanaugh won't recuse himself from matters coming up to the court that involved Trump, he's, by the way, he said he wouldn't agree to that.

Yeah. I don't think he's a bitch. Sorry, that was strictly for the illiteration. All right, you guys, we'll be right back. Hey, Mueller junkies. Thank you so much for supporting our show and supporting women in podcasting. I need to ask you for a quick favor

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All right, you guys ready for the fantasy indictment league? Yes! Okay, so we didn't have any indictments this week, so no points awarded. For this week, I think I'm going to put stone back on my team and keep Donald Trump Jr. Bhutina for Super Seating Enditement's Kushner and Arrando. How about you guys? I'm going to do Trump org, Cohen Kushner, Jr. and Arrando. All right. All right. I'm doing Trump org Kushner, DTJ, one rando, and... Roar of Bacher. Alright, Roar of Bacher. I like the way you played, Jordan.

I'm taking an Intrader off, so I just wanted to make sure that that was clear. Would you replace him with again? Let's see, I replaced him with Stone. I put Stone back on my teeth. Oh, that's right, he's like a taking bomb. Yeah, like all these guys, Andrew Miller and Corsi who are refusing to testify, I think Mueller's gonna be like, fuck you then, I have enough. Exactly.

I think he's just gonna drop it. I think he's just gonna send it out. That'd be amazing. All right. You guys ready for sabotage? Yeah. Yeah. All right.

We have two sabotage stories this week. The first one is that late Friday, Bloomberg reported that Manifort is weighing a plea deal to avoid his upcoming criminal trial. I think he may also be avoiding superseding indictments for collusion if he flips because there's that likely superseding indictment that could drop and the information that he can offer a molar on those superseding indictments. Aside from that, Trump executives now face US campaign finance probe investigations from federal prosecutors.

Federal prosecutors from the Southern District of New York are pursuing a federal criminal investigation into the Trump organization for campaign finance violations. It's really the executives that are under investigation, and since Alan Weiselberg was given immunity in exchange for his testimony that leaves the kids. So because of all that, I am going to change my draft to include Donald Trump Jr., Ivanka, Kushner, Bhutina, and a plea deal with Manafort. Okay. You can pick this week a plea deal with Manafort

and that'll give you the Manafort level points. I like that. Even though he's so wishy-washy, it would be nice to see it. I think I'm going to leave mine as is, I like the fact that you separated Ivanka from Trump's Jr. because I think of the Trump orgasm, all of them, you know, like getting them all at once, but you're right. It'll probably be individually, it could be individually too. Yeah, and I don't think Eric, I think he's too derpy to handle stuff like that.

It's the perfect description of his face too. Do you know what I mean? Like, oh yeah, no. Like, I don't think he's executive one or executive two at the Trump order. Yeah. Good point. You know, Austin Powers, he's like Seth green as the sun That just really wants to be evil. Yeah, but he's just a big failure

Sad but cute to be a failure of a failure. My god. I can't imagine what he feels I go back and forth from feeling bad for the Trump kids and then remembering how rich they are and I'm like well, you know That's something's balanced out. Yeah, and her hotel was basically funded by terrorists. Yeah, yeah. Money laundering. If they weren't like, you know, evil people, then I would feel bad for them.

You know, rich people can be sad, but they're bad. Like one, like one of them has to become a hippie or something just for the full arc of the family. Someone has to reject their ways. Maybe they already expelled that person from the family. Oh yeah, I forget Tiffany exists. And that's not a dad, you know, like a dick at her. I feel like she's actually a better person for it.

Like the fact that I don't human associate her with them means that she's a middle wife kid. Oh, is that what it is? Wow. That's a wife kid. I'd love to talk to her. If you ever want to be on the pod, Tiffany, that would be interesting. That's a very. I'd love to talk to her. If you ever want to be on the pod, Tiffany, that would be interesting.

That's a very different level of middle child. Not only the middle child, but you're the child of the middle wife. Wow. Meta. That's really funny. Hopefully there's just a coalition of all this children from previous marriages that would come together

and be like, troops, not our dad, not our president. I don't know. I don't know what you're saying. I don't know. But for my fantasy indictment league, I don't know. I'm not that bad, yeah. But for my fantasy indictment league, I'm going to hold off on the Manafort until next week. I think that that's a very smart move though. Thank you.

But I do want to give, ah, okay, I'm going to take the Trump orgoth, and I'm just, oh no, I'm not, I'm so sorry. I'm taking a roar of bockery off and I'll put if I'm gone. I think that's smart. Okay.'m not, I'm so sorry. I'm taking a roar of Baccaroff and I'll put Ivanka on. I think that's smart. Okay. All right, sounds good. Nice. In consequential.

You guys ready for Q&A? Yeah. So today for Q&A, we have a very special guest to discuss his film Active Measures. It's the writer and director. His name is Jack Bryan. Jack, welcome to Muller, she wrote. Thanks for having me on.

Yeah, no, we really appreciate it. We caught you on Bill Mar this weekend and we were blown away, so I really appreciate you joining us for this. So first, everyone needs to see this movie. It's like a visual demonstration of all the things we've discussed on the pod from episode one. Everyone should see it. It's on Hulu, Amazon, and iTunes right now, so check it out. And one thing I noticed that pops up a lot in the movie, that we haven't quite cracked here on Mueller, she wrote, is the connections to Don Semyon. Can you tell us about the significance of who he is and his role in the Trump-Russian investigation?

Yeah, absolutely. So Semyon Mogolayevich, you know, is Don Semyon, the brainy Don. He's got a lot of nicknames. He is sort of, for lack of better term, he is the godfather or the Kaiser Soze of the Russian Mafia. He is a Ukrainian board. He also has an Israeli passport. He lives in Moscow. And he was the guy who originally figured out how to launder a ton of money from Russia into America. His first scheme was big scheme that sort of made him pop up on the American sort of landscape

was called YBN Magnets, where he started a fake magnet company and actually got it on the Canadian soccer exchange. And it was just a vehicle for laundering money. He, the US government went after him for a while. He was on the 10 most wanted list. And basically, what he does largely is two things. One is he controls the Ukrainian, Russian Ukrainian gas trade, which is immensely popular, all of a popular, rather.

All of the gas, natural gas that comes into Europe, it comes through Ukraine. So it's an amazingly important port for gas. And he also, when corrupt officials Putin and his inner circle want to steal money from Russia, which is how they make money, is, you know, that they're not really rich off, you know, a politician's salary, they frequently will go through Mogulayvich's networks to wanted that money into Europe and into America. And he becomes important in the down-Trump story because it is his network that is largely associated with Trump on the Russian mafia side that David Bogudin, who in 1984 bought five condos from Trump, when it traction action it was money laundering, he was a Muglavić-connected guy.

Yasov Ivankov, who lived in Trump Tower, was a Muglavić-connected guy. And our research is that it was actually actor Trump's bankruptcy starting in 1990 and going to 2004, it was Mogulayvich who really made the move on him and decided that this was a guy who was a good get and Mogulayvich being a money laundering guy knew that Trump, they would know when to ask questions about money going into the Trump organization because it was a big name and famous and people knew the money went in there. And real estate was the best way for them to do this. There's a cut out in the Patriot Act for real estate so that you can't see those transactions.

And he has played very prominently on both sides. He's been connected to Putin since 1994 when Putin was a deputy mayor of St. Petersburg on the rise and Mobileyevich was a of st. Petersburg on the rise and uh... mokalay which was a mobster rush on rice so i would assume that was a bird who's the c f o uh... of the trump organization in the quote unquote treasurer of the trump foundation would know all of this since he kind of basically handed all the finances for the trump org throughout that entire time that you were talking about when the money laundering started becoming

prevalent well i he would know certainly the associates. I mean, Mugolavitch will always, in any of these transactions, be at least four steps behind it. So, he would know the, I mean, Seder was connected to Mugolavitch. Alex Seder, who got the, sorry, Felix Seder, who was in Bayrock, the managed director of Bayrock group, which was in Trump Tower, bay the managed director bayrock group which is in trump tower and secured a lot of the financing for trump properties including the trump soho uh...

some fort waterdale money uh... you know that he ran a pump and donk stocks stock scheme that was tied to mobile avidch uh... outsteader who got the financing for the trono tower has been tied to him through his i think his father-in- skin. And so there's that money and then also there's Trump Soho, one of the sponsors of the project is the guy Alex and her much scavich who has been tied to Muglavić several times. So purportedly Muglavić would have had his hands in that 95 million dollar Russia or Florida mansion sale by Rybalov love love is that am i saying it right we call him robo cop because i can't understand his name but uh...

so i think it's ralaya yeah there you go and so i presume uh... mogul avat had his hands in that as well as uh... it did was he tied to the rosnift sell off as well i don't know i i think that that uh the Rubellaev, I think that that was, I don't know that he interacts with all the oligarchs. I think that if you're looking for Muglaevich, it's in the developments, like the actual property developments, it's gonna be in those,

as opposed to necessarily one-off transactions. Because I think that that was just Trump needed a payoff of Deutsche Bank loan, and Rulaya was going through divorce and trying to stash money all over the place. And so I don't know if that's necessarily connected to Muglai Vich, but Manafort very much is, because when he was working in Ukraine, who was working for Dmitry Fertash, who was Muglai Vich's partner in Ukraine. And so a lot of the money that gets got laundered through Manafort is indirectly or directly tied to Mugolayevich. So Manafort potentially Bloomberg reported just I think a couple days ago that Manafort

or yesterday that Manafort might be working on a deal, I'm assuming that sort of proffer would come with it. Yeah, or he might just not want to go before DC jury, he might just be like, I'll take 10 years, I don't know. Yeah, that's true too. Or, you know, and a lot of us, we're talking about how he might be, you know, digging his heels in because he doesn't want to have to be on Putin's hit list. Absolutely.

But I think it's also the mob. I mean, if you look at what he was doing in Ukraine, he was dealing very directly with figures that were associated with the majority of their money from the Russian mafia. I think that he is probably, if I were in his position, I would be more worried about that than anything else that Mueller could throw. Yeah. Yeah, I think you're right on that. So I wanted to ask you, we have a really hard time week to week deciding where we're going

to cut off the news and just start reporting it. How did you decide where you were going to end this film? Because 10 news stories drop every day on this Trump, Russia, and Tangleman. So was that a challenge for you? Well, it wasn't. I mean, I think that we were kind of lucky in the sense that we started this project so early that I think a lot of the sort of,

a lot of this stuff that came out the news didn't, wasn't in our heads because it wasn't there when we started because we started the film, working on the film March 31, 2017. And we didn't even get to our first interview. Our first interview happened the day after Comey was fired. We were starting this from a position of there is no investigation. Nobody's looking into this. Nobody cares. I think that we weren't really, the news of the day wasn't what was driving us so much.

And so we saw our job as going back and putting together all the pieces about how we got to the news of the day and getting people context for understanding the news of the day as opposed to trying to incorporate that. So we really, we don't incorporate the Mueller investigation because we kind of see that as looking, he's looking at the same things we're trying to look at

in a weird way. And so by really not worrying about, we looked at it as sort of like the election and then the things that you need to know about the pay, like how that affected in broad terms, like what is the repercussions of that in just very quick snippets and kind of give a sense of where we are.

But yeah, it was a difficult call because the original kind of the film was much, we are. But yeah, it was a difficult call because, you know, the original kind of the film was much, much longer. And so it's trying to figure out where to pull. And we felt the more valuable information was a backstory than the news today. I'd like to see the uncut version. I'd like to see the director's cut come out.

You say that now, but it is very, very long. Yeah, well, we didn't even start picking up this story until I don't think we started this podcast until end of October when Gates and Manafort were indicted. So yeah, I can see how you have more of a 30,000 foot view of all the connections that are necessary to understand to, you know, even begin to see why these details make a difference. So in some subsequent stories that weren't included in your movie because they're more recent, I was wanting to get your views on like the Fertosh connection with Lanny Davis and Cohen. What are your thoughts

on that? Yeah, that I think is incredibly interesting. And I, you know, I wonder, because Lane Davis is also so connected with the Clintons, I wonder if there is, if he is working with Cohen because of the Clintons or because of Fertash. Because I don't know that he's worked for the Clintons, and since the late 90s at all, and he has done a fair amount of work with Fertash since. So that is a, the biggest question in my mind regarding Lane Davis's involvement and that is what the heck is going on there. It could just be that Fertash is a super rich dude and has a lot of legal troubles.

That could be a coincidence. I tend to think that's more likely, but I don't know. And I don't really, that changes day to day, hour to hour. So I really, I wish I had more of a sense on that. I really don't. Yeah, that's true. Whatever you would say right now could be different by Monday when we air this. So.

And then what did you think of the Helsinki Summit? I would have been shocked if it had been anything else. Good point. Yeah, none of us were surprised. Yeah, I mean, everyone came back and it's like, oh my God, he did the exact same thing he did at the G20. It's like, yeah, he did the same thing before, or G20. But yeah, so I think that that was, I mean, I think it was good because it was so clear

that, for some reason, that was a thing that was clear to people. I think it's good that people are seeing it and that it's becoming more obvious, but it was weird to me that that was the thing given all of the other things that are out there, but whatever it takes. Right. Like how could you possibly be surprised? But I guess if you don't know or you aren't operating under the assumption that he's an asset or that he somehow compromised by the Russians, then it probably wouldn't make sense to you. So, all right. Well, you know what, I've really appreciated you coming on today. Could you tell everybody where they can find the film?

Yeah, it's on iTunes. It's in select cities on theaters on Amazon and check it out and hope you like it and tweet it. So I'm the film is at act measures doc and I'm at Jack A. Bryan. You have any questions or comments? All right. Well, we really appreciate it. So definitely check out active measures and thank you for writer and director Jack Bryan joining us today. Have a good one. Thank you so much. I had a great time. So that was cool to talk to him. That movie is so good.

Oh, yeah. I can't like, uh, it's, and it's good and beefy and long too. And so when he was like, that there's a director's cut, I was like, oh my God, how much longer would be than I want to see it? I was. Yeah. You know what? It really liked me away.

It's really a spoiler because it's in the first like minute. Is the story of like how Putin was born? Yeah. Like his mom was in, I guess, a pile of bodies and like the father brought her back to life and then Putin was born the next. Yeah. Holy shit. It was soon after that. Well, that was in the in the corn holiobuck. What is it? Russian roulette. David Corn. Oh, they mentioned that in there. Yeah, because we did that, but it's just because Hillary was like every time I ran into Putin, he made sure to tell me that story about how his death mom's body was dragged out of a pile of bodies. I did not remember. Yeah, it didn't stick with me until I saw this documentary.

And it's almost like a demigod story of how you came into existence. Yeah. And he, that's the way he tells it. And Vlad Ameri means universal ruler. I feel like he has a lot of reasons to be full of himself. It's KGB, man. Yeah, totally. Once KGB, always KGB.

Totally. You don't really get out of that organization. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, you know what he looked like to back in the day? It was a creepy thin man from Charlie's Angels. He had that then five. Or the five. Yeah, the obsessive hair guy.

Yeah, and he was still balding. Like he's always been balding. Yeah, it's like, if he's like, shrieked like creepy thin man, whenever he like wanted to, I guess murder someone, that'd be really interesting. still balding it like he's always been balding. Yeah, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's age of movies. Yeah, there's something about Mary. Not really, is it any of this, but just a really great movie. Yeah, the topless old lady boobs scene from that. Oh my gosh. I can't ever get it out of my head.

The dog being on drugs like the little old, and then she's freaking out. My mom wouldn't let me watch a scene where she gets jizz in her hair, because my mom didn't want to explain to me what jizz was. I still didn't know what it was, when someone explained it to me. I was like 11. Yeah, I feel like I should know where it came from. Right, well, we didn't know what Jizz was. I still didn't know what it was when someone explained it to me. I was like 11. Yeah, I feel like I should know where it came from.

Right, but we didn't have. By that time I had already had so much jizz in my hair, I knew what I'm totally kidding. And this has been At The Movies with Muller Sheeran. Join us next week as we review, I don't know. The Mueller movie, you know, I'd be two teams. We should make our own little sketch that'd be funny, like a Mueller movie trailer. The really low budget though, I'd be too serious. We should make our own little sketch that'd be funny, like a Mueller movie trailer.

You really low budget, though. I can imagine. I think there'll be a real movie, like a real, like all the red jigsmen for this, and we should totally be advisors on that movie. If you're making one, let us know. Oh, yeah. Oh, and also, we're looking for an animator.

If you're an animator, I think it about Pitch and a Mueller she wrote, animated show. Do that be crazy? Right, it just dawned on me. Like we're trying to figure out how to make our show into a television show. Yeah, illustrations, voice animation. Yeah.

I think that's way cooler. Elevations. So if you draw things and have a lot of spare time and a bunch of discretionary income, you don't need a lot of money, let us know. And we'll try to work together and make it happen. Can I bring up a comment that one of our listeners gave us? Yes, please. Okay, so we've been called out for this before, but our use of language that is not particularly uplifting to uplifting. What happens when I fart? Uplifting. It's the that we say,

bitch, and cries like little girl and stuff like that sometimes. Oh man. So I just figured we could have a little mini conversation of explaining ourselves perhaps. I do want to try to work on that because I also had a conversation with somebody about making a rape joke about Papa Doppler's going to go into the prison.

I used an office space quote and she's like, you guys are above that. And I'm like, are we, we're comedians? I'm not really above it. And as a survivor, I have a lot of rape jokes in my act and they've kind of helped me cope, right? But that, again, doesn't mean that we aren't better now and we can reflect on it now that we're looking back.

Yeah. And we can kind of self-audit that stuff. So I'm gonna be real careful. I'm gonna go ahead and make the pledge to be really careful not to make those kind of jokes becauseaudit that stuff. I'm going to be real careful. I'm going to go ahead and make the pledge to be really careful not to make those kind of jokes, because we're not so much a comedy pod as we are a politics pod, and I don't want to trigger anybody.

Absolutely. And sorry about that earlier, Elliott Brody story without giving a trigger when he knows most of it. Yeah, yeah. But I, you know, I will. I'll make a concerted effort to not say things like, cries like a little bitch or cries like a girl or blah blah blah.

Right. But I think the main reason we do it as comedians is we know that what would upset Trump the most or people like that the most is to be called a girl or a student that they're doing something like a girl because they are so misogynistic that it would drive them nuts. But again, that doesn't mean that it's right. It also helps make that normal. And I don't wanna be part of that either. Yeah, yeah, I'd rather dial it back to. And then we can tell, like, people usually don't complain.

So it won't be like everything that could be offensive. It's just certain things that people reach out for. I think that's fair. Yeah, because we're gonna say things that I guess make it hypocrites, but people are usually okay with that. Yeah, but let's know about it. And if it bothers you enough, yeah. Because I think things that I guess make it hypocrites, but people are usually okay with that. Yeah, but let's know about it. If it bothers you enough, yeah.

Because I think we can be funny without it. Totally. I think so too. I do think that like what you said is true, the lines of comedy sort of start blurring things a little bit because artists tend to speak and act in hyperbolic ways. So when we say cries like a little girl, obviously, you know, we're not suggesting that all little girls are crying and are thus lesser creatures because of it. It's like the image of a little girl crying. But then also to say because they are trying to be so masculine and like it's the op, it's yeah, it's the stuff

that they hate on. So like you said, calling them on again, I'm not defending it. If we say crying like a little boy, they wouldn't think much of it. But because society has made a girl reference so negative by saying it, I guess that would mean that we're like fueling it. But we didn't start it. Yeah, we're not casting the first- But then where do you draw the line? Because I make fun of those.

Exactly. Trump's tiny penis all the time. Am I going to have a tiny penis society coming after me? Yes, you will. Now we will. You can't demean people for their tiny penises. Yeah. And I'm like, you know what?

I think I'm going to still. Yeah. Well I'm like, you know what, I think I'm gonna still. Yeah. Well, I mean, I would, I would say little boy crying. That doesn't make a difference to me, really. The gender thing, although I think society it does, and that's kind of where we get. That's where you get the. Yeah, which is why I'm willing to make changes if I feel like our listeners are coming from a really good, you know, understandable place, but I guess sometimes they'll, they'll be on the ride for some reference, since that, you know, are also a little edgy, but yeah, I guess it's'll be on the ride for some references that you know are also a little edgy but yeah I guess it's good that we're listening. It is an interactive podcast. Yeah, yeah, I do listen. I took down the tweet that had the rape joke in it and I replaced it with some other kind

of joke that wasn't about girls or rape. Right, right. But I think I just read about references as a coffee boy or something like that. Yeah, which could be a thing to the coffee boys, right? You're gonna find. Exactly, it's just. That's the point. But that's the point is that people will let us know when we go really far in their opinions. Yeah, so don't be afraid to let us know. Tweet at us at Mollershee Road at Jordan's Confused,

at Tweet Jalisa. Let us know what you think. And we do make changes. We're gonna have that $3 level because we were just gonna start at five. I took down that tweet. I'm responsive to this stuff. And the solicitor that you were talking about Jordan worried about the fact that we use the cry like a little girl or whatever.

I yeah I want to bring that to my attention because I will just talk the way I speak until somebody lets me know. Absolutely. Yeah because we choose our battles. There's no reason to be like I'm gonna defend the phrase crying like a little girl. It's like no. Exactly. We can all be on the same page about that's unnecessary. Yeah, I started a draft response back to that person and I was like, I'm not going to sit here and try to defend those things because they're obviously so simple.

They're not even worth defending in the first place. Right, right. And they were a good listener of the podcast. They were like a nice, you know, person, it seemed like I think it was real. Oh absolutely. Everybody's always really nice. And when we get called out on stuff,

it's like, I'm not ever going to try to say I'm not problematic. I'm a comic. I'm 100% problematic Yeah, a lot of the times when the tail of your special But it's funny cuz I'm actually like a yeah, whatever very liberal person and everything so it's like I'm like You're not gonna argue with me. Yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, yeah, again pick your battles and also I think they're right so yeah, yeah Anyway, although bitch gender neutral. I've always used it as a gender neutral thing. I understand its roots and not being gender neutral though.

But I feel like society is changing for it to be more of a gen- I don't know. I just don't reclaim the word and own it. Like, so- Yeah, I'm pro bitch. Yeah. Until it's decided, I can try to use it less though. Yeah, I guess we're in a transition on period or not. Yeah, I feel like bitch has kind of lost its gender.

I feel like that too. Exclusivity. Right. Yeah, yeah. Like it's a them they know. Exactly. And not a he or a he. Yeah.

Like I'd never say horror. Right. Because obviously that's tied 100% to women. Just like, yeah, cunt is very female. Yeah, although in the person, and that's like very gender neutral. Yeah,, that's actually a normal. Oh really? Oh, yeah, it's like dude And I can it's like dude. He's a smart lad to hear that We didn't even say it like what in a good way sometimes It's an interesting word. It's very different over here. Yeah, but Fagla's kind of whoo

No, you can't go there. Those two words together, man. Oh, yeah. Yeah, of course, me at the B. I wish he wouldn't apologize for that, but I understand that she had to. Yeah, but we love women and thanks for your comment and totally agree with you and your goal in sending that comment to us. Definitely. We'll work on it and call us out when we miss up.

Miss up? Like just write them. I used miss instead of a mess. And that is very offensive to me. Anyway, thank you guys so much. I've been AG. I've been Julie C. Johnson. I've been Jordan Coburn, and this is Muller She Wrote.

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