Jack - Majoring In Failure

Episode Date: December 9, 2019

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Starting point is 00:02:54 I'm not aware of any of those activities. I have been called a surrogate at a time, a two in that campaign, and I didn't have, and I have communications with the Russians. What do I have to get involved with Putin for? I have nothing to do with Putin a time or two in that campaign. And I didn't have, not have communications with the Russians. What do I have to get involved with Putin for having nothing to do with Putin? I've never spoken to him. I don't know anything about a mother than he will respect me.
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Starting point is 00:03:40 A.G. is gone this week. She's having a day off. She's having a day off. I'm so proud of her. yeah. She's with family. She's watching some pig skins. Is that what it's called? Football? She's watching football with her family. Whatever. I was thinking those crunchy pork rinds.
Starting point is 00:03:57 That's what I was thinking. No, no, I was thinking pig skins. Oh God, everyone who's listening to us, you know, has any footballers cringey? Every time we talk about sports, it's a shit show. Yes. I have one team that I like and it is a Patriots and it is because I was born there. Oh, fair enough. Inside the Patriots and other than that though, that's yeah. I am pretty useless when I come to sports. How was your week? My week was pretty good. Just got back to the sporting from a trip to LA. And I basically just went there to eat food
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Starting point is 00:05:32 And before we get started, we wanted to start by thanking one of our patrons who we sent out a call for coasters a really long time ago. Because we're always drinking things in here, mostly water nowadays, the alcohol days for recording our ground. Those are long gone too much of it, intense recording schedule for that. Yeah, too many lost recordings. It's just like, oh god. All right, this is done.
Starting point is 00:05:56 We have people listening now. But so when Centeste is really, really great ceramic coaster, so I just wanted to read the letter real quick, they said, this is from Tamara. Thank you, Tamara. She says, hi ladies. Muller Shiro is a lifesaver. I'm a potter and one of my favorite ways to decompress
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Starting point is 00:08:36 become one now at patreon.com slash muller, she wrote. Again, that's patreon.com slash muller, she wrote sweet. Yeah. And now it's time for our favorite segment Corrections I made a mistake Alright, so I'm going to lead corrections today, Jordan. If that's okay with you. Yes.
Starting point is 00:09:09 So this is the rules. No rules. Thank you, God. And is that here? Do whatever we want. So this is from an anonymous listener and she says, you guys are great. I listen every morning to keep with the news while maintaining my sanity. Sorry to keep up with the news.
Starting point is 00:09:23 You guys mentioned racism in Texas as a good organization to donate to help with the situation at the border. This is a great organization, but it is important to note that Racies only provides aid refugees in Texas. Well, Texas is huge. It is not the only border state. And so it is important to donate to other organizations as well. So yeah, also a very, very great point. I did not know that. Thank you so much. Yeah, totally. And she also says, you guys make me laugh every morning, and I often find myself using your nicknames for many Republicans in my daily life,
Starting point is 00:09:50 which confuses people. Moon is. Ha ha ha. Milk shake, med gates. Hey guys. This is from Pete, and he says, Neulis, no big fan. Thank you, Pete.
Starting point is 00:10:00 He says, Paul Manifort's fashion fetish was actually ostrich jackets, not lizard, unless it's both and I'm uninformed. I forget where lizards came into the picture. I don't know. I don't know what they did, but definitely ostrich for sure. I know he's right on that. Yeah. Where are we here? From Dan, thanks for giving us some Brits, some light relief from our own shit show at home. This is so slight tangent here. I was chatting with a British friend and a party over the weekend and we were talking about the upcoming UK election.
Starting point is 00:10:30 Total shit show. Yeah. And not a correction per se, but there was a discussion of whether Nicholas Cage has done anything good. And I was screaming at you all. Adaptation. Oh, okay. And then he says the way Cage simultaneously plays two characters and manages to make them both utterly pathetic and repellent and yet also sympathetic is awesome. So, yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:55 Someone really loves Nicholas Cage. Yes. We did have a, we had quite the ups and downs of shitting on him and trying to find redeeming qualities. Then he says, keep the Justice Board coming and come and do a show in the UK sometime we'd love to have you. I love to go there. That would be so good.
Starting point is 00:11:11 That would be good. This one was from Elizabeth and this one was written specifically for me. Thank you, Elizabeth. Yes. Hi, Mandy. I understand what you were saying about voting being a privilege. I think I said that on the show last week, but I disagree. Yes, there are people in other countries who do not have the rights we have here in the United States. about voting being a privilege. Yeah, I think I said that on the show last week, but I disagree.
Starting point is 00:11:25 Yes, there are people in other countries who do not have the rights we have here in the United States. That's kind of what I was referring to, that like globally it is a privilege to, you know, to live in a democracy. And she goes on to say, yes, we need, and yes, we need to be super appreciative of our democracy, but voting is not a privilege.
Starting point is 00:11:44 It is a right. There's a huge difference between those things. Privile we need to be super appreciative of our democracy, but voting is not a privilege. It is a right. There's a huge difference between those things. Privileges have to be earned, rights are given. I only point this out because of the trolls who seem to think it's no big deal to have to produce a photo ID at the polls. These folks seem to feel that people should have to work for their rights, which is backwards. You should never have to work to exercise your democratic rights through getting a photo
Starting point is 00:12:03 ID or traveling out of town to a polling place or whatever rights or rights. That's a great email. Yeah. In a global environment, it's safe to say it's a privilege. On a national environment, it is 100% right. Absolutely. If that is fair to say. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:19 And if not, we will get an email. Yeah. And we will read it next week. Okay. email. And we'll read it next week. Okay, where else? We got, I think, five or six corrections about this from Thomas C from Christian, Ingersoll from Martin L from Jack from Alex T from Stephanie from Judy S and from K. Apparently, when we're talking about miracles app, the immaculate conception, oh yeah, yeah, we got it real wrong. Yep, yep, surprise surprise. I saw that on Twitter. Yes.
Starting point is 00:12:48 So Jesus was the virgin birth. The Bible doesn't refer to it as anything but basically being visited by the Holy Spirit. So Zapto seems right. The immaculate conception of what she refer is actually Mary's conception, where she was born without original sin. Amazing. I did not know that at all. Neither did I. Yeah. And I tried to be like, oh yeah, I know this because I studied in college, but I should have
Starting point is 00:13:08 went on to say that I got a C in that class. Yeah. So we got a whole bunch of corrections about this. And then there was one more that said she was conceived in a sinless state, essentially, is the doctrine reading of that. So thank you guys all so much for that suggestion. Sorry, we didn't know that. Yes, correct, correct.
Starting point is 00:13:28 Correct. Correct. That suggestion. I think it's pretty well documented. That's a lot too. Yes. One more here. At least as far as they're concerned.
Starting point is 00:13:39 Actually, a couple more. So anonymous says, love your optimism about democracy. Thank you, we try. The Supreme Court justices are matched up with particular circuits, but not as chief judges or justices of those circuits, as you mentioned on the show. The matching is simply an internal division of labor at the US Supreme Court in order to split up all of the workload of time-sensitive motions, like requests for extensions coming from each circuit. Okay then she links, or anonymous links to a Scottis blog, blog post about that.
Starting point is 00:14:09 Cool. Two more quick ones here. So this is a really interesting one. So this is from Josh F. In the Daily Beans episode Miracles app, you wondered why Sarah Pitlick would be against IVF. I grew up in a very conservative evangelical Christian home with pro-life parents, so I can offer a quick explainer for her views.
Starting point is 00:14:26 According to the Daily Beast, she comes from the Thomas Moore Society, a pro-life law firm that advocates for religious freedom. The pro-life movement believes that life begins a conception. During IVF, multiple eggs are fertilized, but only one or two are actually implanted. Depending on the decision of the person or couple receiving treatment, the rest may end up being destroyed, which the pro-life people view as murder. He then goes on to say, my wife and I are one of the one and six couples in America facing fertility issues.
Starting point is 00:14:55 So this makes us exceptionally fucking angry. I'm not really sure what we can do about it, but thank you for at least bringing attention to these issues. And apparently, the podcast opening arguments has done some episodes, or has brought this up, some IVF cases in recent episodes. So then he says, thanks as well for leaving B-roll audio on the Patreon feed it makes it, got a good laugh out of it. Yeah, that's crazy.
Starting point is 00:15:20 That's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy, huh? So I'm confused because then the question becomes, like, well, first off, thank you very. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy.
Starting point is 00:15:29 Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy.
Starting point is 00:15:37 Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. I can't, where else would the eggs be going anyway?
Starting point is 00:15:46 Like, is it murder if you don't fertilize your eggs? Well, yeah, I just, because they're saying you've harvested these eggs and you're choosing certain eggs, which then is like, not fertilizing the other eggs. Is that what the argument is? Did I understand that? I think the suggestion is that like,
Starting point is 00:16:04 I think it's more just like your playing God, essentially, it comes down to you, right? Like the certain fertilized eggs you made discard of is what they're saying. Yeah. But a little bit more, one final thing for context here. We got one more correction from Emma, who said, people are also often against IVF, answer a gase because that is often the way that same sex couples and singles can have babies. Hmm. Right? Which would only kind of strengthen the resolve to be against this sort of procedure.
Starting point is 00:16:32 Absolutely, so that makes complete sense. Yeah, so that's all for corrections. Yeah, all right. Thank you so much. You're welcome. Cool. If you have any corrections for this or for MSW or for the Daily Beans podcast, please head to moshirot.com.
Starting point is 00:16:46 Click contact, select corrections, and we will get it right eventually. We have a lot of news to get to today, so let's jump in with just the facts. All right, kicking it off this week, one day we had an impeachment hearing in the House Judiciary Committee featuring four constitutional law scholars,
Starting point is 00:17:04 three of which were called by the Democrats and said that they believed Trump committed impeachable offenses and one that was called by Republicans and basically said it's too soon to determine whether or not he did commit impeachable offenses or not. These are not fact witnesses. Republicans did not let us forget that throughout any of the hearing. These were legal minds called into the committee to give public guidance to Congressman and woman on what conduct they believed was
Starting point is 00:17:29 or was not impeachable. And presumably what should be included in the articles of impeachment that Congressman and woman are planning to bring against Trump. So the three dem friendly witnesses reiterated throughout the hearing that Trump withholding aid to pressure a foreign government to open up investigations into his political opponents is a clear abuse of power that constitutes
Starting point is 00:17:51 an impeachable offense. Here's some of what we heard from the temp witnesses. So we had the very tweed like no afeldman from Harvard Law say quote on the basis of the testimony and the evidence before the house, President Trump has committed impeachable high crimes and misdemeanors by corruptly abusing the office of the presidency. Then we had Stanford Law Professor Pamela Carlin. She was awesome. Yeah, I was, I think one of our shows last week I was just expressing my adoration for her. Totally. Rad Lady. Super badass. And just another continuation in the saga
Starting point is 00:18:26 of women killing in these hearings. Yes. So Carlin said, quote, the evidence reveals a president who used the powers of his office to demand that a foreign government participate in undermining a competing candidate for the presidency. Very true.
Starting point is 00:18:41 Very shady. Very awful. Next up, University of Carolina, School of Law Professor Michael Gerhardt said, quote, the record compiled thus far shows the president has committed several impeachable offenses, including bribery, abuse of power, and soliciting a personal favor from a foreign leader to benefit himself personally, obstructing justice and obstructing Congress.
Starting point is 00:19:03 So he really went in, especially on the obstructing Congress. He went very hard, rightfully so. The list of high crimes and misdemeanors breached by Trump according to the Democratic side included, they had the ABCs of impeachment laid out, right? They made it all cute. They had like an asshole storybook, format for it. I don't think I saw that particular part. Yeah, very cute. There was a abuse of power, betrayal of national interest, and corruption of elections, not cute topics at all, but presented as the ABCs of impeachment, which also Republicans were just like harping on,
Starting point is 00:19:37 just saying like, you're ABCs of impeachment, can't do, and won't mean shit, it's whatever. What? Is there a particular Republican who's inspired that impression? I guess I was taking Jim Jordan, but it got, it got a, I don't even, I don't really know where it went off the end there, but so we need video. Yeah, you guys are missing all of Jordan's hand talking face.
Starting point is 00:20:00 They'll see it. That's another thing. Becoming a patron, right? We'll get the video. It'll be nice. Although I am in pajama pants right now. Grinch pajama pants. Grinch pajama pants. Yeah. $14. Old Globe Theater. Shout out.
Starting point is 00:20:14 Anyways, so yeah, we're gonna hear that over and over again, I think. Yeah. I mean, I guess we'll see when they pick up their next hearing on Monday, how much they're gonna adhere to that sort of like ABC format. We'll see when they pick up their next hearing on Monday, how much they're going to adhere to that sort of like ABC format. We'll see how many articles of impeachment they actually wind up sort of fleshing out maybe in that hearing, but we'll get to more in that hearing later. So that was the demside. The other one guy, the other Republican called witness, if you will, he is a scholar at George Washington
Starting point is 00:20:46 School of Law. He's named Jonathan Turley. Turley did not take the stance that Trump didn't commit impeachment offenses necessarily. I should say impeachable offenses, sorry. But what he did, the stance that he did take was that committees haven't seen enough documents and testimony yet to make that determination. The comparison between the three pro impeachment witnesses and the one who was like, I don't know, like you have three people being like absolutely impeached bull. He's breaking the law. Like this is unconstitutional. He can't be doing this and just so much clarity and conviction in what they're saying.
Starting point is 00:21:21 And then the Republicans bring out Tully and he's like, well, it's like bad, but is it not bad? Yeah. We don't know yet. What the fuck? We have to wait to hear things from people. Yeah, even though I'm gonna fail to acknowledge that those people have been prevented. Uncooperative.
Starting point is 00:21:42 Yes. Well, I've been blocked. A lot of them just have straight up been blocked from coming in by the White House. And so it's like talking, yeah, just talking about that whole point that we'll get to that. I'll get to that bitching later. But yeah, it's just such a pointless defense
Starting point is 00:22:00 or argument to make when you're sitting in within the walls of a chamber that is half populated by people that Don't want certain witnesses to come really ultimately because they wouldn't be helpful to Trump's case and then on top of that Trump himself is not gonna come in and then on top of that we have you know Then wanting to call people like Adam Schiff and the whistleblower who are people that 100% are not going to be called as long as the Democrats have anything to say about it because it's just an absurd group of witnesses to want to call. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:33 Yeah. But Turley said, I believe this impeachment not only fails to satisfy the standard of past impeachment, but would create a dangerous precedent for future impeachment. So now this is, yeah, it's obviously kind of a self-defeating witness for the Republicans because they're saying they shouldn't move forward because they haven't seen all the evidence, but like I said, the White House keeps blocking those people and that evidence from coming to that committee. So of course, there are, you know, the outliers, like I was talking about Adam Schiff, you
Starting point is 00:23:04 know, the whistleblower, just people, peopleliers, like I was talking about Adam Schiff, the whistleblower, just people that Democrats are not going to entertain. So refresh my memory here a little bit. Who are some of the people that we know have been blocked from testifying by Trump? Well, there's the people that are having lawsuits that are working their way through the courts right now, like Cuperman, and then there's people that are, there's Dom again, which is one that now is in appeals and we're still waiting to hear back on that decision. But that's a huge witness for obstruction of justice counts, right? Because that's all the way back from Mueller report stuff. That doesn't even have anything to do with
Starting point is 00:23:38 Ukraine. But there's, there's McGand, there's Cuperman, there's Bolton, who I guess we're just kind of waiting to see if he's going to go rogue and come in and testify anyway. But there's witnesses that are more in that camp. And then there are witnesses like Adam Schiff and like people that Republicans want to call in and use to peddle the narrative that they just coordinated with one another. That Schiff coordinated with a whistleblower. They came up with this story and how they were going to attack it from these different angles. And then it was all just a complete contrived hit job, right? Irrespective of all the facts that we already know from Trump's own transcript that he released.
Starting point is 00:24:18 Sometimes. Yeah. It leaves you with that words. Yeah, which is not a good thing on a podcast though. No, definitely not. I do think though, to your question, Ukraine Gate, they've had an easier time getting the essential witnesses to come in. I can't, it's not comparable.
Starting point is 00:24:42 I don't think to the amount of resistance that they face in the Mueller report stuff. But I also do think that he's just doing this across the board wherever he can. So of course, it's still, there's like his financial documents, for example, that he is just doing anything that he possibly can to block from getting to Congress and to getting in front of any sort of eyeball that is going to see it and think, oh, wait, no, okay, yeah, this is actually as bad as I thought it was. And then if they're Republican and they see that, they're either going to have to lie to their constituents. And obviously the Democrats are going to take it and run with it like the ballers they are.
Starting point is 00:25:22 Ballers. So yeah, that's kind of where that one Republican was at. Not super effective, I don't think. Did you get a chance to really watch? I watched. Yeah, I did. I watched part of his hearing. I guess I'm surprised. I mean, I'm not surprised because it shouldn't be easy to find someone who can produce a credible defense, right, because there is not one. But in my opinion, how the poor performance of Jonathan Tirtley speaks volumes as to where we are, if that was the person that they, if that was there, yeah, you know, yeah, they didn't even have anyone to come in and say,
Starting point is 00:26:06 Yeah. No, this wasn't wrong. Right. They had someone come in and say, We don't know yet, we can't make that decision. We don't know how wrong it was. Yeah, basically. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:15 Yeah. Well, also what I've really been struggling with recently, and this again is like a shift in public sentiment and a shift in like culture, how we've basically gotten to a point now where we're just like, well, yeah, some level of corruption is completely normal. Some level of corruption is completely fine. It's the get over it. And it's the, like, you know, it's, I feel like honestly, since 2016, the level of corruption
Starting point is 00:26:41 that we normalize, the level of corruption we're supposed to accept, without losing our shit over it, is become unreasonable. Yes, and that's kind of there, that's their positioning where it's like you have to expect some level of corruption, there's gonna be some level of corruption in government. Like, you know, is it not as bad as you think it is,
Starting point is 00:26:59 essentially? Yeah, totally. And I also think, I mean, going, it's, it goes back to when, you know, Trump early on was saying, well, US interferes in other people's elections all the time to somehow make some sort of excuse for Russia doing it to us and then the crazy unprecedented way that they did, right? And so, yeah. We're being guess lit all the time. Yes. And we skipped the part. So we have like we have our political landscape right where both sides 100% are guilty I think of
Starting point is 00:27:29 Increasing corrupt acts right yeah, I Full Hardedly believe that Republicans and people that give money to Republicans typically are gonna be involved in corrupt acts at a higher rate 100% I maintain that, but I know that Democrats also have a history of doing that stuff to write sometimes, they're not perfect, but we're going from that understanding of a reality, skipping over the part where we're talking about how we need to address a corruption everywhere, and then just jumping right to the part where we say, you know, that it's acceptable.
Starting point is 00:28:09 Everything is corrupt, nothing matters. Right. It's like, whoa, you're missing a huge step in that determination, which is addressing the corruption and trying to fix it. Yes. Yeah. And they're able to make that argument to any sort of effectiveness to their base that the Democrats are the ones that are actually corrupt
Starting point is 00:28:29 because you know, shift in the whistleblower, whatever, and Andre Alexander Chalupa and all of these, these other conspiracy theories, they're able to just make that argument now under that umbrella, that guise of there being corruption on both sides. It's just, yeah, that comes back to two. And I don't know if you're bringing this up later or, but when you were talking about
Starting point is 00:28:49 the documentary that Giuliani is making right now. Yeah. Again, it's part of this like alternate reality. Like, we're going to expose their corruption. Yes. It's like, no, we have courts that do that. Yeah. Unfortunately, the DOJ is led by a Trump sympathizer, but there are still plenty of courts and corporate seedings that are happening and
Starting point is 00:29:07 Lawmakers and officials who are doing whatever they can to actually yes to actually go through due process. Yeah, and Yeah, do what I said supposed to be done to investigate those things. I said this before I've said this before but something that is actually of a conspiracy theories. I've said this before, but something that is actually to America's benefit right now, and this particular time that we're in, is the fact that it's a really like litigious country. I was talking to a friend over the weekend about how that there's a general strike taking place in France
Starting point is 00:29:35 right now. Have you heard about this? No. Oh, wait. I think I saw a headline that said people are advised to cancel their terms over there. They're upset with Macron over certain cuts that he's doing. I don't have the specific details on the list of things that they're protesting, but
Starting point is 00:29:50 it's about cuts and austerity fundamentally. Please correct me if I'm wrong on that. I'm sure I am. But as a six and 10 French people, Paul, support this general strike. I mean, bike shops are selling out of bicycles because people are refusing to, people are not showing up for work, people are not running the trains, like they're doing a general strike.
Starting point is 00:30:10 So, society won't function until he conceives on some of these things. Now, would that happen here? Probably not. However, what America has, which a lot of other countries do not have, is this like fiercely litigious culture, which I think is to your benefit right now.
Starting point is 00:30:23 Yeah, so anyway. Yeah. The bummer about that though, is that anyone can sue anyone. Yeah. Yeah, anyone can waste anyone's goddamn time and money. Yeah, so it becomes endless suing. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:35 Which is fucking uniz. Yeah, sooniz. So you're deaf and sooniz. It's absurd. His list of fucking lawsuits right now is absurd. He's suing entire newspapers. He's suing Twitter accounts. He's suing all of Twitter.
Starting point is 00:30:55 He's suing all of CNN. He's suing all of Esquire. It's like, he's suing individuals. It's so fucking insane. Cool. But anyways. So that was that. That was Wednesday then Saturday drawing from what
Starting point is 00:31:12 Was heard Wednesday the House Judiciary Committee released a report outlining the historical arguments for impeachment So this came out Saturday We can assume this report was released in anticipation of the next impeachment hearing, which is scheduled to happen Monday or today now if you're not a patron listening to this early. So what is this? Well, I showed up so it goes out on Sunday. Oh, god damn. Yeah, it's daily beans that goes out the night before. I bet.
Starting point is 00:31:38 FYI, if you come patron, you get your daily beans episodes the night before. Well, there we go then. Well, then in that case, if you're listening when we drop this, get up early tomorrow because they're doing a hearing tomorrow. That's basically what they're going to be doing and that hearing is presenting the cases for and against impeachment as informed by lawmakers in the House Intelligence and Judiciary Committees. This hearing, by the way, is reportedly going to be conducted like a trial and could be
Starting point is 00:32:03 the last hearing that we see before articles of impeachment are drafted. So, damn, that's tomorrow morning. Yes. Okay. So definitely a book and ish. A very important thing to tune into as if everything that's been happening in Senate or House Intelligence in Hustle to Shire has been incredibly important over the last few weeks, but yes, tune into that.
Starting point is 00:32:26 And as all this has been transpiring, there's been the looming question of whether or not the White House plans to participate in any hearings moving forward. Nadler gave the White House a Friday deadline to stay whether or not they could anticipate their participation in the hearing on Monday. I mean, surely you think Trump couldn't wait to get himself in the room to set the record straight, right? You would think on what he says has been perfect conduct, right? But wrong, because Friday, the White House cancel, cancel. The White House, God, I wish the White House was canceled. Fuck. The White House Council, Pat Sipelone, a central letter to Jerry Nadler, and here's what it says. I'm just going to read it because it's pretty historic, it's also pretty short, so here we go. Dear Chairman Nadler, as you know, your impeachment inquiry is completely baseless and has
Starting point is 00:33:15 violated basic principles of due process and fundamental fairness. Nevertheless, the speaker of the House yesterday ordered House Democrats to proceed with articles of impeachment before your committee has heard a single shred of evidence. House Democrats have wasted enough of America's time with this charade. You should end this inquiry now, and not waste even more time with additional hearings. Adopting articles of impeachment would be a reckless abuse of power by House Democrats, and would constitute the most unjust, highly partisan and unconstitutional attempt at impeachment in our nation's history. Whatever course you choose, as the president has recently stated, if you are going to impeach me, do it now,
Starting point is 00:33:57 fast, so we can have a fair trial in the Senate, and so that our country can get back to business. So, seriously, Pat A. Zipolone, casted with the president. Damn. Yeah. Really? Like, that reads like, not very official language to me. Did you get that sense too? I don't, I mean, right?
Starting point is 00:34:16 It's like, aside from the like, whining? Yeah, it was somewhat informal in its language. Yes, it is. But the tactic of turning it around and calling them abusive of power and them unconstitutional. Yes, it is. But the tactic of turning it around and calling them abusive of power and them unconstitutional, it just, same tactic. Makes my eyeballs want to pop out of my head
Starting point is 00:34:33 or something totally. We talk about this all the time and I feel like a broken record kind of, but because it's every time it happens, we point it out, but it's like just accusing the other side of the same shit that you actually did. Over and over again.
Starting point is 00:34:44 Verbatim, abuse of power. Really? Yeah abuse of power God damn Yeah, he says here Also, I mean single shred of evidence that's such like such a fucking informal unprofessional way to like cool Then right away then why don't you come in and defend yourself then? Yeah, exactly. Because they know that their client is a fucking idiot. It would make everything a thousand times worse for him and everybody else that's involved if he came in. And they know that shit.
Starting point is 00:35:13 But so they're not coming. There's that. The thing is, so all of these people who have their political future is tied to Donald Trump are not going to let this fucking ship go down easily. Yeah. At all. Right. It's going to be the hardest fight on the way down, just an entirely futile effort.
Starting point is 00:35:29 Yeah. And maybe not entirely futile, because unfortunately, there's just like, yeah, race is whack-a-moles everywhere in the country. Like they'll go down a DC and then pop up somewhere else and fucking come to power and some other shitty way. They have so much money. It's so sad. It's really scary. Moving on. Keep in it positive. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:50 Keep in it positive. Yes. On the show. Also breaking. Late Friday from the hill. Adam Schiff has sent a letter to Mike Pence, formally requesting that he declassified documents related to his age. Jennifer Williams, we saw her testify to the house. So Jennifer Williams testimony that was in front of Intel committee, right? So Williams had remembered new details about a call that took place between Pence and Zelensky on September 18th. So that's September. That's after July, right? That's after pretty much most of the shits gone down. But Pence's office had said that the new detail she remembered about the call happened
Starting point is 00:36:29 to be classified details. So she had to submit a classified supplemental statement to Congress about that call. Now, SHIFT is requesting this information be released to the public to basically just further corroborate evidence in the inquiry. Pence last month said that he has no objection at all to the release of the call. So, Shiff is basically calling him on that. Is that, oh really, bro?
Starting point is 00:36:51 Yeah, yeah, exactly. This is a quote, you're willing this to release a transcript of your calls with President Zelensky. Necessarily means that you do not believe there is anything contained there in that would cause any harm to US national security if publicly Disclosed So call that right. We'll see where that goes. So hopefully we'll find out soon
Starting point is 00:37:13 Do we know do we know what it was and do exactly what inkling as to what I Have no idea right. I mean, I mean, I would think let's see so she's I'm Imagining these beans on this tomorrow. Yes. I mean my hopeful would think, let's see. So she's, I'm imagining. She's beans on this tomorrow. Yes. I mean, my hopeful beans are that there would be details in that call that would outline either some kind of, you know, Pence calling Zalim's giving like, hey, a damage control kind of call.
Starting point is 00:37:39 I'm sorry about him, dude. Like this shit, we got a whistleblower complaint. You may have heard about that thing. And yeah, let's like talk this through, and then whatever content isn't, I can't imagine why else they would be talking, right? Well, so buddy, we're just dudes. We're just dudes chilling out.
Starting point is 00:37:54 How's it going, it's clearly a big deal. You know, yeah, how men talk to each other, Jordan. What's funny, we're just dudes. So, nothing to see or nothing to talk about. You know what, though? Okay, slight tangent. Sometimes when I see men interact with each other and the way that they speak to each other, you know, in a kind of a reveal way, I'm like, that's how men communicate, huh? Interesting.
Starting point is 00:38:13 Yeah. Very different than how women communicate. I know. When they're with each other, it is very interesting. But hopefully we'll find out soon. Yeah. No, but yeah, that's, yeah, I'm curious to see what happens with that. What's your name, Jessica Williams?
Starting point is 00:38:24 Jennifer Williams. Jennifer Williams. Okay cool. And of course Charles is already trying to like distance himself from her Just doing the classic Twitter treatment, you know, and it's great too because she's a woman So he of course he's favorite. That's his favorite. What's up in sucks? He believes that they suck in there a woman And they have a vagina. Yes, that bitch my favorite. Yeah. This is what I think of when I'm acting and crying and shit. My support is even more now. Yeah. Wonderful. Yes. Oh, okay. And next we have another awesome Buzzfeed update. As a result of Buzzfeed's FOIA lawsuit, we're getting another round of molar grand jury materials. So fuck yeah. This batch contained a bunch of
Starting point is 00:39:01 the FBI's 302 reports. 302 reports are basically interview summaries with people. There are still some redactions apparently though, so Buzzfeed plans on challenging those redactions. It's like, goddamn, just frickin' Russian doll of redactions. Just give me the fuck it on a redaction. You know how to talk to me. I gotta say, Buzzfeed still has some great investigative journalists on their team.
Starting point is 00:39:22 So shout out to the investigative team at BuzzFeed. They've done some really good work over the last few years. Yeah. The media world in general is fucking chaos, but they still have some rad people working there who are really good shit. Yeah, they're killing it. And some of these three O2s include interviews from people such as Cohen, former chiefist staff, John Kelly, Corey Lewandowski.
Starting point is 00:39:42 That's a huge one. Hope Hicks, Rick Gates, Almerosa, Chris Christie, and Rod Rosenstein. So here are some of the noteworthy things that we learned in those documents. I think that came out from BuzzFeed. So first one is it looks like Cohen is blaming family lawyers for taking out a line
Starting point is 00:40:01 in Cohen's testimony to Congress. The line apparently said the words limited contact with Russian officials. This is about Trump Tower Moscow and about building that project, right? So apparently that line was taken out for reasons unbeknownst to Cohen at the time. Seems pretty obvious though, then just trying to, you know, sweep anything under the rug that they possibly could. There were 100% communications, extensive communications
Starting point is 00:40:28 between members of Trump's team in Moscow. And I believe it was BuzzFeed that actually posted a really awesome timeline of just everything would feel like Sator and Cohen and all of these different communications. So to your point, BuzzFeed is totally killing it. Yeah. We also learned too that Rick Gates, he said, Maniford urged him to not
Starting point is 00:40:49 cooperate with the government. Gates said Paul Maniford told him in October or November 2017 that the White House was going to protect both of them and that it would be quote, stupid to plead because they would get a better deal down the road. Yeah. So not surprising, but I was like I'm very apalmit Afford yeah, yeah, I hold the free buddy. Yep exactly Then three we learned Rod Rosenstein was we talked about this in the daily beans a little bit He was overcome with emotion when talking to the FBI apparently about comies firing and how all of that went down Rod said his mema about how comie had fucked up certain things was not
Starting point is 00:41:24 all of that went down. Rod said his memo about how Komi had fucked up certain things, was not influenced by anyone, and that he knew it had to be 100% accurate if he were to stand behind it. But once he wrote it, he said he didn't get much sleep that night. He thought Komi was going to wind up being called in after it became very apparent to him that he was going to be fired. He figured he was going to come in and that it was either going to be him or Jeff Sessions that would fire Komi. But then he found out it was done over email. And as soon as he found that out, just a wave of feeling awful washed over him apparently. He used the words angry, ashamed, horrified and embarrassed.
Starting point is 00:42:00 Shit. Presumably at the role that he just realized he ultimately played and just getting Komi the fuck out. And then for, we also learned that Mueller did not apply and then be denied the job of FBI director. This is what Trump said, right? Instead, he actually withdrew his name from consideration. So another classic example of Trump trying to say he fired some people and they're like, oh, no bro
Starting point is 00:42:26 I was actually just dipping because you're fucking insane and that was it So there we go pretty cool stuff check that out on a bus feed. That's awesome. Yeah, when we released these released a couple days ago They were released this week sweet. Yeah, I don't remember what day. I think it was earlier in the week though Yeah, because yeah, we covered it on bounty of three of three O'Tos. Yeah, bounty of three O'Tos. Bounty of three O'Tos. Yeah. So all right, well, you've got lots more headlines and hotness coming up after this short break.
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Starting point is 00:43:59 Plus, you'll get free shipping on your first order. That's Everlane.com slash AG. Everlane.com slash AG. Everlane.com slash AG. You'll be glad you did. All right, welcome back. So we've got lots more headlines for you. Starting off, Washington Post is reporting that apparently concerns are resurfacing of the susceptibility of Trump's
Starting point is 00:44:20 telecommunications to Russian spying. So all this phone calls that he does on no secure lines at all. People are starting or continuing to be really concerned about that and what implications that's going to have moving forward for intelligence. Because he still just uses his regular ass-unsecured phone. He's using private lines. He's not trying to talk through encrypted communication. He very rarely uses secure lines that he's supposed to be using, right?
Starting point is 00:44:46 And it's not stopping. And it's just another example of him denying the advice of the intelligence community and continuing to do what he wants. It's just so dumb because in this case, not only can it hurt national security, but it can also wind up hurting him. Compromote, for example. Yeah. You know, so, it. The House Intelligence
Starting point is 00:45:07 Committee released phone records this week that occurred between Trump, Giuliani, other White House randoms and other people involved in Ukraine gate, all of which were communications that like I said, were not encrypted or protected from foreign surveillance in any way. The fear here being is Trump continuing to open himself up to ongoing Russian Compromont and up to other things as well, right? Not only could it be used as Compromont, but concerns are also rising that Russia could be learning information on the conspiracy theories that the Republicans are peddling and then turn around and fan those conspiracies back home. So having a nice feedback loop of all of this with one another, which is,
Starting point is 00:45:47 I mean, I can't even like find enough synonyms to describe what this means. There's terrifying. There's reckless. There's disastrous. disastrous. I'm pretty sure that my like teenage brother knows more about cybersecurity than the president does or who takes you know takes more safety precautions. I mean, yeah. Right. And especially, I mean, when the conspiracy that Russia could potentially be overhearing and seeing them working really hard to pedal, right, is a conspiracy theory that Russia didn potentially be overhearing and seeing them working really hard to pedal. Right. Is a conspiracy theory that Russia didn't interfere? Ukraine did.
Starting point is 00:46:30 How convenient is that for Russia? They get to take that, turn around with it, and then start faying in their base with it more. And like I said, it's just a feedback loop. It's a circle of failure. Yeah, these are all failure. Yes. Not to be an octopus of failure. Yeah, these are all failure. Yes. Not doing an octopus of failure,
Starting point is 00:46:46 a circle of failure. There's everything of failures. Yeah. And when he, when Trump gets out of office, I hope he goes and like, write to dissertation and he calls it on failure. I would read that. That would be the only academic paper I'd ever read
Starting point is 00:47:02 from Donald Trump. But do you guys ever deem it himself? Yeah, as a scholar? I doubt it. As a scholar on failure. You had a major in failure. Um, not so majoring in failure. Uh, but so all of that is deeply troubling, but not to mention the fact that Russia could
Starting point is 00:47:20 feed more false information to Giuliani knowing that he's traveling abroad with people in Ukraine trying to get dirt, they could easily put someone in Ukraine and put someone in a circle that Giuliani's gonna talk to or find some way to talk with him directly, giving him, feeding him the information that he is there supposedly looking for. If they're not already doing it already, I find it hard to believe that they would not
Starting point is 00:47:45 already be doing that. But, so yes. And like we already reported this week in the Daily Beans, Giuliani is traveling abroad, trying to help in the production of a documentary series that's supposed to air as an alternative to the impeachment proceedings on a far right network. Giuliani's been in Budapest and Keefe
Starting point is 00:48:03 the same week of the impeachment hearing, swearing fake witnesses and under oath, doing a legitimate oath ceremony, filming them, and then producing an episode that they're releasing to the public under the guise of the real story. Cool. So propaganda then. 100% propaganda. Yeah. And it's all the exact, they're super,
Starting point is 00:48:25 they're super good and organized when it comes to just having like a one issue thing that they just hammer just over and over and over again, at least as far as their base is concerned. Like a hammer of bullshit. A hammer of bullshit. It is the fattest hammer of bullshit. So that's Trump. Not encrypting anything, not listening to security officials. At this point, he just, he really is the like angry old
Starting point is 00:48:52 uncle at Thanksgiving yelling at Fox News. I mean, that it's just running the government. Yeah. Anyway, yeah, maybe on. Yes, yes, moving on. So more people that are upset with Trump. Uh, at this point, it truly feels like Trump and his team are committing so many egregious offenses. It's like impossible to keep up at this point. Uh, but this week, we're learning that some Democrats are feeling that way very much. So, uh, specifically relating to Trump's emoluments, clause violations, as a quick refresher on emoluments clause violations, basically an emolience violation amounts to the concept of Trump illegally using his presidency
Starting point is 00:49:32 to make money personally. That's basically what people are. Which he's been doing this entire time. Right. And the rest of his family. Yes. And even though many, many arguments have been made for instances that Trump is doing this instead of personally profit from foreign governments or US taxpayers, for example, for leaders staying in Trump powers on visits. No monuments, clause violations are likely going to even make it into articles of impeachment and there are some Democrats that are very upset about that right now. They're saying that they intend, they're three specifically actually that are saying that they intend on continuing to investigate this issue past
Starting point is 00:50:06 Trump's impeachment One of them is Dina Titus who is actually a rep from Nevada my homestay go Dina She said we deserve to know exactly who is paying the president and how much I will not look the other way as the president continues to accept illegal payments that create obvious conflicts of interest so to accept illegal payments that create obvious conflicts of interest. So there we go. As a reminder, more than 200 Democratic lawmakers in 2017 filed a lawsuit accusing Trump of violating the Amoluments' clause. And on Monday, the US Court of Appeals for the DC Circuit is going to hear oral arguments on whether those lawmakers have the legal right to file that lawsuit. So that's an exciting thing to look forward to. Yeah. So that's next week?
Starting point is 00:50:45 That's Monday, yeah. Monday. And then on Thursday, the US Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit in Richmond, Virginia, is holding arguments on a similar lawsuit brought by local officials in Washington, DC, and Maryland. So Democrats are planning on continuing to look into emoluments, past impeachment.
Starting point is 00:51:00 They've even floated, maybe adding it as another article of impeachment. If he gets reelected again, like later down the line. So we've talked about, you know, do you just stop here if we don't include things that obviously need to be addressed? Do we do that later, can we do that later? Yeah. That's yet to be determined largely probably by the balls on the necklace of Nancy Pelosi.
Starting point is 00:51:23 But then there's also, you know, these lawsuits that are actually making their way through courts right now. Yeah. So, yay. That story, Jordan. You're very welcome. Lots of stories. I, uh, it's sad that I was like, oh, yeah, the emelluments, like, it's just right. More include has lawsuits against them too. There's so many different angles that are coming at him on that one issue alone. And even so, it's not consequential enough to make it in right now as it would appear into the articles of impeachment.
Starting point is 00:51:55 If anything, maybe just hope that they'll circle back on that later. Okay, and now, we've got some more news on our latest segment. This is my favorite of Devon Nunes in Deep Couchit. So Nunes, as we know, also known as Devon Sunes as of 30 minutes ago, Devon Sunes. He apparently had phone calls within Didad Giuliani Associates left partners. Obviously, we know this.
Starting point is 00:52:23 This is the bombshell headline that got dropped in the middle of impeachment hearings. They're buddies. Yes, they're right. Brosekies. Yeah, I don't know. I'm sure, did you, I don't know. I don't know if they actually, I think they just had calls.
Starting point is 00:52:36 I don't know if they've hung out as bros per se, but I could say maybe who knows. I could see it too. 100% I could see it. Yeah. Absolutely. Who the fuck would hang out with these people otherwise? The only way they can get social interaction, I imagine,
Starting point is 00:52:54 is just like, it's interesting and they're small fucking. Yeah, everyone always get drunk, cry, and watch Trump's tweets. Yes, it's rolling. Isn't that so true? They'll be like, they'll be in a diamond or a headline that will come out or something. And then all of a sudden, all of these photos showing these people, you know, one of which is normally entirely random and not known by the rest of the world. They're like, oh, they were hanging out. Oh, these photos are just everywhere and ready all the time. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:19 Always. But Nunez trying to distance himself from those calls and a futile effort has said that he can't confirm if he did speak with Parnis or not. He just can't confirm it. He said that he doesn't trust Adam Schiff. He doesn't trust his account of his own call so he needs to go through his own call logs so that he can come out and say if it is something that he did or not. Which that makes sense, right?
Starting point is 00:53:47 Like you're like, hey, I think you committed a robbery, but real quick before I can make you, can you just tell me if you did just like buy your own memory? If not, oh, you didn't. Oh, okay, that's cool. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Yeah, I'm not sure whether or not I did. And let me check my phone records. Yeah, exactly. But the headline, I guess, for
Starting point is 00:54:06 this story, really is that Parnas' lawyer hit back at Nunez on Twitter because that's where lawyers go to ultimately die if we're looking at Evan Audie as any example. But his lawyer said, Hey, at Devon Nunez, love remembers what you spoke about. You don't remember, hashtag, let live speak. Which is a hashtag that he's really going for. The Republican infighting of the people who are going down with the ship, that's an enjoyable aspect of this show. Oh yeah, let live speak.
Starting point is 00:54:40 Yeah, it's, I'm also getting like sort of over these Avenatti-esque lawyers that are using Twitter as a platform to just get like fucking zingers in. It's like that's kind of, that's cathartic for a second, I guess, but then as it continues, it's like, okay, maybe, maybe not all of this stuff. Maybe just go to court and get your shit done because this is actually really important
Starting point is 00:55:03 to need to happen quickly. Hot takes from Jordan Coburn. Yeah. Hot takes hot notes. It's thing of, right after this short break, we're going to come back with some hot notes and our fantasy indictment leagues, so stick around. Hey, Mullerites, it's A.G. After a long day of resisting the insanely corrupt administration, sometimes I need a break,
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Starting point is 00:56:32 All right, so my hot note this week is about a new investigation by the UK into the company Glencore The UK's serious fraud office. That's what it's called. I did not know that It is indeed is investigating Glencore for bribery serious fraud office. That's what it's called. I did not know that. Indeed. Indeed. It's investigating Glencore for bribery. Glencore is saying that they will cooperate with the investigation. Glencore is the world's biggest commodity trader and is also the company that helped cut our broker, the sale of Rosneft, which you've heard us talk about a lot on this podcast. Rosneft is the massive Russian oil company, and that sale, as a sale that Trump might have been said
Starting point is 00:57:10 to get about a $280 million cut of, so it's gonna be a big sum of money coming to him and profiting off of that, presumably with some conditions of lifting sanctions. Just a little bit of pocket change. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But with so many shell companies and so many other things to investigate, I think it's unlikely we're going to get confirmation on that anytime soon.
Starting point is 00:57:33 Right. But for Glencore, Glencore is already being investigated by the US Department of Justice for alleged money laundering and corruption in Nigeria, Venezuela, and the Democratic Republic of Congo. And this all dates back to 2007. So they've been looked at with much scrutiny for a long time. The UK is going to be looking into Glancourt's work with a man named Dan Gertler. He's an Israeli billionaire, and he is also super tight
Starting point is 00:58:02 with the leader of the Democratic Republic of Congo. So UK is looking into that connection. Gertler has apparently made billions of dollars off of essentially being a gatekeeper to all these natural resources deals in the Democratic Republic of Congo. Gertler has had a history of being awful. In a 2001 UN report, he was said to have given, I'm going to call it DRC, moving forward, Democratic or Republican, we're all good,
Starting point is 00:58:27 all the same page, okay, DRC's given DRC's president, $20 million to buy weapons for his army in DRC, in exchange for Gertler having a monopoly on the country's diamonds. So, yes, and then in 2017, leaked documents that form part of the Panama papers investigation show the Panama papers. I feel like 20 years ago. It really, really does. I know I read that and I was like, we reported on that pretty much because those drops pretty much when we first started the podcast. I think the first round of them
Starting point is 00:59:04 came out in 2015, right? Which would be right. You started the podcast. I think the first round of them came out in 2015, right? Which would be right. You started the podcast in 2017. We started in 2017. Yeah. Yeah, totally. I didn't know that. I didn't know that at all.
Starting point is 00:59:13 I thought it was fresh off the press. Well, I think there was like several rounds of them if I'm not mistaken. But anyway, yeah, I was just my point was I remember being so angry about the panel of papers at the time being like global Alitism in their you know tax evasion. Oh my god, and now I'm like, it's part for the course How much I've become jaded in the last five years is kind of incredible anyway carry on If they when they started so do you remember if the ones that dropped in 2015 It was basically all related to the same stuff like offshore companies and I could be wrong about this. Maybe it wasn't 2015.
Starting point is 00:59:46 Well, look it up. Yeah, well, look it up. I'm sure you're right though. But so yeah, the Panama Papers investigation showed how Glencore had apparently secretly loaned tens of millions of dollars to Gertler after Glencore hired him to secure a mining agreement in the Democratic Republic of Congo. So, he has just a history of super-sketch business dealings and bribes and quid proquels and all of these agreements.
Starting point is 01:00:20 And bullshit. Yes, in bullshit that allow him to wedge his way into a country that honestly has been The profits of their resources be swept up from underneath them and fed right into the pockets of people like this fucking guy so That's really fucked up and Hopefully all these investigations both in the UK and the US go somewhere. Yeah So that's that that is Glen Glencore, boo, Glencore. Boo.
Starting point is 01:00:47 You don't go Glencore core. That was a solid mean girl's reference. That movie, Mean Girls, really fucking holds up. It really does. It's a classic. It really is. That and also bridesmaids. If we're talking about female happy casts casts, you know comedy movies from that era
Starting point is 01:01:07 Mean Girls fucking holds up. Yeah, bridesmaids fucking holds up. Yes, it does. Mm-hmm. Freakin great movies. Yeah, freaking great movies All right, that was my hot note Moving on we got a special treat everybody. A.G. is gonna deliver her own hot note. Here we go. Let's hear it What you got a G? Hey everybody. It's a G You know I'm taking the weekend off But I wanted to record my hot note before I left go. Let's hear it. What you got, AG? Hey, everybody, it's AG. You know I'm taking the week and off, but I wanted to record my hot note before I left. And on last week's show, I predicted that our attorney general, if that's what you want to call him, Bill Barr would spin the release of the Department of Justice Inspector General report. Let's listen to that clip from last week.
Starting point is 01:01:41 Beans on bar trying to memo it up the same way he did with the Mueller report. Maybe give a press conference at Trump's request to talk about the shocking revelation of the low-level employee that turned into a criminal investigation, all to try to spend the findings of the reports since it debunks long-held Republican conspiracy theories. Well Bheans come true, because bar is now saying he disagree with a key finding in the Inspector General report. We reported last week, and in some daily beans updates this week, that the IG report would show, and will show, that there was nothing wrong or illegal with the way the Russia investigation
Starting point is 01:02:17 was opened. As we know and have known, the investigation called Crossfire Hurricane was open when there were clear, articulable facts that Russia was meddling in our election. A Kremlin-connected professor named Mith Sud had told George Papadopoulos, who we call Papadop, that he had dirt on Hillary in the form of stolen emails. Then Papadop bragged in a London wine bar to Alexander Downer, who happens to be an Australian diplomat.
Starting point is 01:02:40 He's told him the Russians were going to give him those Hillary emails, the stolen Hillary emails. And that was in the spring of 2016. Downer didn't think much of it until it became public in July that Russia hacked the DNC and the D Triple C so Australia called our FBI and told them what pop it up was said that night and Immediately the FBI over the weekend sent someone to the UK to investigate and that was the hence the opening of the investigation The Republicans have long since alleged that Miff Sud was a plant set, set by the FBI and this was all a massive frame job. And therefore the entire investigation is trash. Popped up a list, even wrote a book saying he was framed by the deep state and our attorney general Bill Barr recently traveled to Italy only to find
Starting point is 01:03:22 out Miff Sud was not working for the Italian intelligence service. He tried the same trick in the UK, but found nothing. The Republican, he went to Australia, still found nothing, that's where Alexander Downer was from. The Republicans filed multiple lawsuits to dismiss their cases on the basis that the investigation was a sham, and every single time in the courts they lost. They lost those motions, those motions were denied to dismiss. So Trump and Bill Barr ordered the Department of Justice Inspector General to investigate
Starting point is 01:03:50 the origins of the investigation. And they had selected US Attorney Durham to head up another investigation in parallel into the investigation. And Barr even tried to have Andy McCabe and Comey indicted for their roles in the origins of the investigation. The Inspector General investigated Comey and said he did nothing illegal and refused to make a criminal referral. They tried to make a criminal referral from McCabe after the Inspector General found he lacked candor during their investigation, but his work on the investigation was legal and above board.
Starting point is 01:04:20 According to the findings, Barr tried to make an indictment stick, but failed again trying to indict McCabe, the grand jury balk they didn't return an indictment. And Barr is still trying to keep that investigation open so he can prevent the communications about McCabe's firing from coming out in a FOIA case. But Barr lost that too as a judge, Judge Reggie Walton actually ordered the investigation into McCabe closed or threatened to release the documents himself.
Starting point is 01:04:47 The Department of Justice conceded, said they didn't release the documents but are still dragging their feet on officially closing the baseless investigation. And now this week, the long anticipated Inspector General report, supposed to come out in September, then they moved it to late September, then October, and then November, and now it's December. We're supposed to see that Monday. This is the report Trump supporters promised us would result in hundreds of indictments for Obama, Susan Rice, Sally Yates, Loretta Lynch, Comey McCabe, Mueller, Weissman, Baker, Struck Page, Nellie and Bruce Orr, anyone else who worked on the investigations. And that everyone would end up in Guantanamo and the FBI would be shut down all based on the Inspector General and Durham's findings. But as it turns out, the IG report will show the investigations were open properly, very
Starting point is 01:05:37 legal and very cool and that the FISA warrants on Carter Page were obtained legally and within the guidelines of the law. It will also show that while there may have been political bias associated with some of the people who worked on the investigation, like struck and page, the inspector general found before and will find again that that bias had no impact on their work. In fact, after the Durham investigation, the inspector general investigations into McCabe, Comey, the FBI and Mueller, not to mention Barr's trip to UK, Australia, and Italy, the only things they've been able to turn up are one, McCabe-Lacked Candor,
Starting point is 01:06:10 but did not break the law. Two, Christopher Steele is a credible witness and a credible person, according to the Inspector General who traveled himself to the UK to meet with him and interview him. Comey, number three, Comey probably shouldn't have taken his contemporaneous memos outside of the FBI headquarters building, but nothing was illegal about it. Number four, struck and page, shouldn't have texted that private stuff, but it did not impact their work. And finally, they did find one low-level FBI lawyer that added a line to the bottom of an
Starting point is 01:06:40 already sent email on one page of a several hundred page FISA renewal application for Carter Page. The IG made a criminal referral, in this case, to the Department of Justice, which is why Trump's supporter said, oh my God, the investigation has turned criminal. So far, no charges have been brought, but the IG on this lawyer, we've seen no charges. I doubt there will be, but the IG found that the line They added had no bearing on the FISA warrant renewal approval. Keep in mind this was a renewal of the Carter Page FISA warrant Not the initial FISA warrant not to mention no one gives a shit about Carter Page He's been caught literally red handed participating in two previous Russian spy rings
Starting point is 01:07:20 And he had already left the Trump campaign before the initial FISA warrant was even granted So unless he was piling around left the Trump campaign before the initial FISA warrant was even granted. So unless he was pallying around with the Trump campaign, after they fired him, they certainly weren't using him to spy on the Trump campaign. And finally, we learned from the New York Times that not only did the inspector general conclude that Miff Sud wasn't a spy, and there was no frame job, it wasn't a setup. But we learned that it was Durham. Bars handpicked investigator that told the inspector general that Miffsood never worked at the FBI. Miffsood not only or The inspector general not only called the intelligence agencies and said hey Miffsood working for you. No found out
Starting point is 01:07:55 Through bar that Miffsood wasn't working for UK intelligence found out he wasn't working for Italian intelligence found it would and so then he called Durham and said Hey, have you come across anything in your bullshit, you know, parallel taxpayer money waste investigation that shows that Miff Sud was an agent or an asset of the FBI? No, Durham told him. So I have said many times, I think the month's long delay in the IG report was born out of bars desperation to find anything he could. And it looks like you failed, not just with the Inspector General, but the Durham investigation as well. He has a habit of doing this, like when he dragged his feet on the McCabe investigation
Starting point is 01:08:32 and turned up nothing, and then left the hush money investigation in the Southern District hanging open and not pushing it forward to prevent New York State from picking it up. A judge caught on to that, and the man hat in DA is about to get a ruling from the Supreme Court in that investigation. And the rest of us caught on with the frivolous investigations into the oranges of the Russia probe, and we will see that report Monday. Now, remember, IG reports are always damning. They're never good, and there is some bad stuff in there, but on the whole, the worst thing to come out of there was that one low-level lawyer who added a line to an email that didn't impact the outcome of the FISA renewal. And as I said at the beginning, just like he did with the Mueller report, Bar is going to spin this IG report because it's not to his liking.
Starting point is 01:09:17 The key finding he disagrees with, that I mentioned at the top, is that there's not, you know, that the IG has found that there was enough evidence to open the investigation, bar disagrees. He's saying there's not. There was not enough evidence to open this investigation. But if you believe that a Trump campaign official telling an ally diplomat that Russia was going to give him stolen Hillary emails from Russia after Russia hacked the DNC, if you're going to tell me that's not sufficient evidence on top of all of the other evidence, let alone that you have Flynn, Manafort, and Carter Page working on the campaign known deep Russian ties, then you do not understand what articulable fact basis is and what sort of basis is necessary
Starting point is 01:09:56 to even scratch your own ass. So that's on you, not on us. And so I am looking forward to reading that IG report. Like I said, there will probably be some negative things in it. Do not fret. All IG reports are negative. But if that's all they've got, then they've got nothing. So this is AG from Cleveland signing off.
Starting point is 01:10:12 Take care of yourselves. Take care of each other. All right. You ready for sabotage? Hell yeah. Okay, first off, how is, how's, how's Wemma getting going? We've seen some tweets about this. Yeah, I personally am still in. Yeah, I don't know how that's possible.
Starting point is 01:10:34 I am still in also in Sozee G. Yeah, yeah. I'm just saying. I tweeted about it from the Daily Beans pod Twitter and people were like, I'm still in Bicep Miracle. Okay, perfect. Go out. Okay, this is, this is good buy some miracle. Okay, perfect. Go out. Okay, so this is good to know.
Starting point is 01:10:46 This is getting competitive. It is. As a reminder, where I'm getting, this is the game. When you hear last Christmas by Wham, anytime between now and midnight on Christmas Eve, that means you're out. You've lost the game. So tweet at us, snap a photo of the moment when you get out and tag us at Mola if she wrote
Starting point is 01:11:02 and you use hashtag whammygettin. I want your whammygettin selfie. Yes, that Wrote and use hashtag whammagettons. I want your whammagettons selfie. That's what you see else. That's with two amps whammagettons. Make sure we get it right. The photos we've seen so far, yeah, have been awesome. But for the real sabotage, we got parnas news. Parnas is continuing to cooperate,
Starting point is 01:11:24 but we don't really know all the details or really any details on the extent. Is that a real sentence you just set out loud? He's continuing to cooperate? Well, he's actually a reality. Yeah, I should say he's continuing to try to cooperate. Right. But it's cooperating as much as he feels forced to. Yes, but he hasn't signed an official plea agreement
Starting point is 01:11:46 He hasn't signed a non-prosecution agreements and he hasn't been granted any immunity. Gotcha. So the officialness of the cooperation is to be determined But it does look like he really really wants to cooperate And we also know that superseding and diamonds of left partners in eagre Frumen are likely But they're still evaluating many things in the case. Those things probably being how either those people are going to play. That's going to drastically affect the indictments that they get the superseding indictments, if any. So, we already have beans on partners cooperating and Fruiman not, and I still think I'm
Starting point is 01:12:23 going to maintain that. But that is our sabotage. So are you ready to play the fantasy indictment league? Hell yeah. I'm gonna be a dick. No way, this is gonna be okay. I'm gonna be a dick. I'm a dick.
Starting point is 01:12:36 A diner. I'm gonna be a dick. Oh, that they can't, it's gonna be okay. Just calm down. I can't calm down, I'm gonna be a dick. All right, so... Updates. Nader was invited this week for legally funneling money into a 2016 campaign, which we believe
Starting point is 01:12:51 to be Hillary Clinton's. Let's listen to this clip from last week's fantasy indictment draft. And I'm gonna do a random Ukraine connected person again. Cool. And I'll go with Jislin. Please agree, Matt. Oh, yeah, I forgot. Question.
Starting point is 01:13:15 Speaking of... For the first time in months, I'm taking Nader off watching Nader go down. Speaking of Gilein and Ivanka, two of your picks. Are there any... Do we know of any updates in any cases surrounding either of those women? Uh, nope. Nope. Okay. Good to know. Why don't you stay tuned? Yeah. So, Aji took Nader off and bam, he's indicted just like that. Damn. Yeah. So she's gone. But with like the indictment gods to know, she is also taking new Nez and Giuliani off her team this week, so maybe they will get indicted. So that's what her G strategy is.
Starting point is 01:13:51 I like it. Yes, I like it too. And she hasn't sent me her picks. I'll get them from her, but yes. Okay, cool. What are you a stagewriter? Mine. Okay, we'll also really quick before I give my picks.
Starting point is 01:14:02 I got a point because, yes. For what? A rando with deep Ukrainian ties. He was indicted this week. It's a Oleksandr on Asenko and he was arrested, which is pretty good news for my picks here. So, on Asenko, he's a former Ukrainian member of Parliament. He is a person who claim to have dirt on Burisma. And he was arrested earlier this week in Germany and that's confirmed by the Daily Beast. So I'm getting a point for that.
Starting point is 01:14:33 Randall's pay off. Okay, now we're going to Randall's pay off. I do. Okay, so now I'm gonna quote my team, I'll pick my team for this week. Let's do my first pick is going to be in the spirit of A.G. taking them off of hers, helping them on mine.
Starting point is 01:14:51 I'm doing Giuliani. His time just has to be up soon. You feel it's coming? It has to be. It's trying to come in. I can't. Just as trained as coming for you. Yes.
Starting point is 01:15:03 I'm thinking of like that iron from sorry. I'm thinking of that old like 40s thing where there's like a person tied to a train tracks and then some man off on the side screen with like a really big mustache for some reason that's controlling it all and has like a stick of dynamite maybe also understand. Do you know what I'm talking about? I do. I you've illustrated it extremely well. I know know what I'm talking about? I do. I, I, you've illustrated it extremely well. I know exactly what you're talking about.
Starting point is 01:15:28 The fact that that's what your picture is enjoyable. That's the justice strain, but it's Giuliani on the tracks. And, and the man with a mustache in this instance really could be anyone. Really? Yeah. If they were doing the same thing. A twirly mustache conductor. A twirly mustache conductor, man. Maybe Jonathan Van Ness.
Starting point is 01:15:45 Who usually is evil, but in this case is. That's what I'm saying. That's what I have to do. That's what I have to do. If the only qualifying factor here is the person leading the Twirling mustache, I nominate J.B. Okay, I'm down for it.
Starting point is 01:15:56 I was gonna say, it could be Bolton if he chose to do the right thing. And it really did some serious wax. Where kind of sausage? It looks like a train conductor. He really does. He really does. He really It looks like a train conductor. He really does. He really does look like a train conductor. He really looks like, if I saw him wearing stripes,
Starting point is 01:16:09 I would be like, that man is a train conductor. All it would take would be a little striped cap of some sort. Yeah, he belongs on the inside of every amp tracker on the nation, for sure. That is exactly what it looks like. But yeah, Giuliani, okay, my second pick is going to be Nunez again in the same thing. Sunez. Sunez. Not even good. I'm just funny. Yeah. Okay, and then I'm also going
Starting point is 01:16:31 to do, I'm doing super-seating,. And then, pleadial, parnas. Oh, pleadial parnas. pleadial parnas. This is the first week where I'm saying all these names and I'm thinking like, yes, there's a legitimate chance all of these things can happen like in the next month.
Starting point is 01:16:58 It's going down. Oh, it's going down. It's going down. That's so bad. Fuck. Okay, am I fifth person? You got a big old Justice Boater. Go down. Go down. Go down. Go down. Go down. Go down.
Starting point is 01:17:06 Go down. Go down. Go down. Go down. Go down. Go down. Go down. Go down.
Starting point is 01:17:14 Go down. Go down. Go down. Go down. Go down. Go down. Go down. Go down.
Starting point is 01:17:22 Go down. Go down. Go down. Go down. Go down. Go down. Go down. Go down. Go for now. Awesome. How are you? Yes. OK, cool. That's it for the fantasy indictment leave. There we go. Yes. We will be posting it on Patreon and in our Patreon only
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Starting point is 01:19:32 I'm glad you're here. So we had a few updates this week in the big five, which is what I'm calling the five major cases moving their way through the courts right now as a reminder, those are the McGann-Sapina case, the Manhattan District Attorney's Eye Vance Mazar's case, the Oversight Committee Mazar's case, the Muller Grand Jury Materials case, and the Deutsche Bank Capital One case. The Muller Grand Jury Materials case and the McGann case are set to be argued, I believe, in the DC Circuit Court of Appeals, both on January 3rd.
Starting point is 01:20:01 But this week, there was a decision in the second circuit court of appeals in the Deutsche Bank Capital One case. Can you tell us about that ruling? Yeah, so the ruling came down against Trump requiring that Deutsche Bank comply with the subpoena and turn over Trump's bank records, everything Deutsche Bank has, and also Capital One, but I tend to think of it as Deutsche Bank since they were the principal bank that Trump used in the relevant time period where he was likely engaged in money laundering activities. So Deutsche Bank has to comply with the subpoena and turn over the documents and the court
Starting point is 01:20:42 ordered that Trump has only seven days to seek a stay of its mandate at the United States Supreme Court, which Trump filed for that stay just today. Okay, yeah, and that's important because generally, I think he would have 90 days, right, to appeal. And this sort of really cut into his delay tactics, right? Well, he has 90 days to file his request, his petition for a writ of cert, which is his request to appeal at the Supreme Court. But what happened in the House Massar's case
Starting point is 01:21:21 was that when he filed for a stay request at the Supreme Court, the stay was granted, but they accelerated an accelerated timeframe for Trump to request his cert. And the key is that the second circuit essentially forced Trump to go directly to the Supreme Court to try to get a stay very quickly, which then puts the ball in the Supreme Court's case to turn around and say, you can have your stay, but you're also going to be on an accelerated timeframe for filing for cert. I see. So in the second circuit decision, a appeal for a rid of cert to scot us, we don't yet know in the Deutsche Bank case if they're going to grant an administrative temporary stay, or I think they I think you has to like December 9 or 10 until that before that seven
Starting point is 01:22:25 day stay expires and so they would have to do that now and presumably like you said they they would put together some sort of an accelerated timeline for briefings and replies and so replies. Yeah, so what I expect to happen is that Trump had seven days in which to achieve a stay of the case in the court, which meant he had to request it before that seven days in which to achieve a stay of the case in the court, which meant he had to request it before that seven days was up. So he filed his stay request today and RBG Ruth Bitter Ginsburg is the second circuit justice, the justice of the Supreme Court who is responsible for handling requests that
Starting point is 01:23:04 come in from second circuit cases to the Supreme Court who's responsible for handling requests that come in from second circuit cases to the Supreme Court. And so this has landed on her desk as of today. And she has until the 10th to decide whether or not to extend the stay that the second circuit gave to allow the Supreme Court to actually hear this request because if if the Supreme Court doesn't do something to extend the stay then the stay will expire and Deutsche Bank will have to comply with the subpoena. What I expect to have happened is what happened in the Mazar's case where Chief Justice Roberts was actually the
Starting point is 01:23:40 circuit justice for the DC circuit and And in the House, Mazar's case, he gave an administrative stay just to allow that the actual stay request to be heard by the full Supreme Court at a conference state rather than having the stay expire and allow the subpoena to go through. So what I expect to happen is, RBG will give an administrative
Starting point is 01:24:05 stay that will stay at least through December 13th, which is the next Supreme Court conference state, at which point the entire court will sit and consider whether to grant an actual stay allowing Trump to then file for his writ of cert. And in doing that, that is when they would say, we're giving you a stay to file your red of syrup, but you have to do it quickly and put them on an accelerated time table. I see. And speaking of the Mizar's case, which you were just mentioning, this is the one where Mizar's was willing to cooperate with House Oversight and then asked House Oversight to
Starting point is 01:24:38 issue a friendly subpoena, quote-unquote, which they did, Trump then filed suit to block it. He lost in the district court. What's the latest in that case? Because he lost in the appellate court, too. I think this week didn't he file his appeal for a writ of cert to the Supreme Court? Yes. So similarly to the Deutsche Bank case, he first had to request a stay from the Supreme Court.
Starting point is 01:25:06 That's the one that landed on Justice Roberts, Chief Justice Roberts desk. He granted an administrative stay. Then the entire court considered the stay request and granted an actual stay to allow Trump to file his writ of cert. They gave him until December 5th to file his writ of cert, which is requesting an actual appeal of the case itself to the Supreme Court. Trump filed that in the House Mazar's case on December 5th, which was yesterday. Good Lord.
Starting point is 01:25:40 The time is really traveling at a very strange speed. So he filed that on December 5th. The House Democrats will have, I think it's 30 days to respond to that, but I would expect them to instead file very quickly, possibly Monday, as one I would guess they would file opposing his request for cert so that the papers will be complete and the Supreme Court can take up the request for cert on Friday, December 13th at the next conference date, which would mean that all three cases, the Vance, Mazar's case, the House, Mazar's case,
Starting point is 01:26:28 and the House Deutsche Bank case could conceivably all be considered at the Supreme Court's conference date on December 13th. Well, let me puzzle that. We know that the Vance case is going to be considered at that conference. That is already on the schedule to be considered at the conference.
Starting point is 01:26:44 The other two cases, it looks like all the paperwork will be done. All of the filings by the parties will be done to allow them to be considered at the conference on the 13th, but we don't know whether or not they will be. Okay, and you just brought up the fifth case here. That's the Sive Ants, Mazar's case. And that is on schedule to be heard at the conference in Supreme Court December 13th, Friday the 13th, awesome. And when was the last decision we got in that case, because that one, it seems like the other ones were accelerated to meet up sort of with that case.
Starting point is 01:27:19 Yeah, you know, that one was put on a very strange schedule because what happened was at the at the second circuit court of appeals, Trump panicked at one point in the case and was started to believe that he wasn't going to get a stay and wasn't going to be able to make it to the Supreme Court. And so he cut a deal with Vance at the Manhattan District Attorney's office. the deal with vans at the Manhattan District Attorney's Office. And the deal was, you'll give me a stay. And I agree that I will file my request for cert within 10 days of the second circuit court of appeals ruling in this case. So they just short-circuited the process with an agreement for a schedule on when to file for cert. So whereas the House Mazar's case and the House Deutsche Bank case both
Starting point is 01:28:13 had to go through this process of requesting to stay from SCOTUS in the Vance Mazar's case, the parties agreed that they would stay at themselves in return for an accelerated schedule But they've all kind of ended up in the same place because they're now all Coming to to the court at approximately the same time and all will be at least Ready to be heard on on December 13th. Yeah, I'm whether they're all heard on the 13th or not We don't know but you have said in talking to you in the past that Yeah, and whether they're all heard on the 13th or not, we don't know. But you have said in talking to you in the past that that scotus could say, you know what, we're going to have an abnormal or unscheduled conference date December 20th, and we'll have
Starting point is 01:28:54 something out to you by the 23rd. They can do that. They have a lot of power in that way. But man, I tell you what, for somebody who's only defense is to delay, he's not even good at that. Yeah. And his options for creating more delay are really running out here. I mean, there really isn't much he can do to push this back. It's definitely all three of these cases are definitely going to be decided
Starting point is 01:29:15 this Supreme Court term, which means they're going to all be decided with opinions issued by the Court by June. There's very little doubt about that at this point. What seems much more likely is either that these things, all three of these, or any one of the three, could actually be finished next week with either Vance getting the Mezar's materials or the House getting the Mezar's materials or the Deutsche Bank materials as soon
Starting point is 01:29:45 as December 16th or the court putting this on a very accelerated timetable the way they've done with the request for cert and putting the merits arguments on an accelerated timetable that have a ruling on the merits of the case by sometime in what I would think would be early March, but it doesn't look to me like the Supreme Court is gonna allow this to drag on. They seem to recognize the urgency
Starting point is 01:30:10 and I see all three of these cases being resolved very set. Yeah, especially with that accelerated timetable in the oversight, Mazar's case, it just seemed like they're catching on and then of course, know with the seven day temporary stay issued you know by the second circuit in the Deutsche Bank case. I'm trying to keep them all straight in my head. It's hard. Yeah, they are definitely on a on a on a fast track and so I guess to wrap up here we've got Deutsche Bank and Mazars oversight and Vance all possibly at least ready for review December 13th in the Supreme Court.
Starting point is 01:30:45 And then of course we've got the McGann, subpoena for testimony and the Muller Grand Jury Materials case. I think those are set to go for January 3rd. We call that the oversight super bowl. That's going to happen in DC Circuit. No, yes, DC Circuit Court of Appeals on January 3rd. So we'll be there for that. All right, well thank you so much for taking the time.
Starting point is 01:31:06 I really, really appreciate it. Helping us keep abreast and above all these different cases that are going on. It's a lot, but we will keep you posted. So put some beans on it. Thanks a lot. All right, so that's our show. Just a quick update.
Starting point is 01:31:22 After we recorded that interview, RBG issued the administrative stay in the Deutsche Bank case, meaning it is on first go to review the case during their December 13th conference. Yes. Her stay is temporary and is set to end at 5 p.m. on December 13th, indicating she plans on having some kind of decision for us either that day or by Monday the 16th. They could decide on the 13th to grant a full stay, a full on stay, pending appeal. At the same day, they'll decide to grant certain the house mizar's case.
Starting point is 01:31:52 So they could grant certain the house mizar's case and grant this day in the Deutsche Bank case, or they could deny certain in the house mizar's case and deny this day in the Deutsche Bank case. Don't forget, they're also considering whether to grant cert in a Scy-Vance Mizar's case. So the most conservative outcome is they grant certain Scy-Vance and oversight Mizar's and grant this day in the Deutsche Bank case. So we'll look forward to that news. And we did it. Yeah, we did it. Yeah. Please be nice to us. Yes. Please dear God. I'm realizing my voice. I'm not used to talking for that long No, usually I don't know how she does it. Yeah, she's our fearless leader and
Starting point is 01:32:36 Women of intense vocal strength. Oh 100% yes always have you seen that lady karaoke? My God. Yeah. We are, we bow down. Yeah, we bow down. We bow down. But hopefully we made you all proud in her stead. Yes, definitely. Well, you know, it's easy almost on the more sure episodes because there's so much news.
Starting point is 01:32:59 Unless we want the episode to be five hours long. Yes, largely just talking, like, delivering the headlines. Yeah, for sure. I think so, yeah. At least when A.G. is gone hours long, yes, largely just talking, like delivering the headlines. Yeah, for sure. At least when A.G. is gone. Oh, yes. When A.G. is here, she has amazing murder boards in her brain. And she's able to just put together this like,
Starting point is 01:33:16 murder board, yes, Rubik's cube. Yes, I can crime. Yeah, one thing that's cool too, and I get, you guys can't see is that when she's delivering the news to you She's like constantly sketching out little scenarios here on her no pad. So Yeah, thanks for hanging out with us everyone. Yeah, that should be a picture on gift. Oh, eight her sketches I think she said this before. Oh, she did good. Yeah, okay, well then I am a heck
Starting point is 01:33:41 No, but seriously, I think we got a cool. I mean, I love our little sketches, but I love them too. Sometimes though I do look over and there's not shit there. It looks like that kid in the ring or something, that's like just drawing or what? It's like some horror movie where the kid is demented. Yeah, the kid's just like drawing black scratches everywhere. No, I'm just kidding. Great patriarchy.
Starting point is 01:34:04 Yeah. It really is. No, it'm just kidding. Great patriarchy. Yeah. This is it really is. No, it's funny. I think it helps. It helps to like be doing another thing a little bit when you're processing. Yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah, when you're thinking and you're,
Starting point is 01:34:15 yeah, when you're for sure. Yeah, it definitely helps me. I do that when I'm on the phone. Yes. I have to talk to someone about something like for a work meeting, I'll like scramble while I'm doing so. Definitely.
Starting point is 01:34:24 One time I was on the phone with my grandmother and I looked down to see that I had taken up about seven-eighths of a page and lines that had a space between them that couldn't be measured by anything that exists on a shelf today. It was like the most meticulous. I've never done that in my life. It's crazy. That's what family does to you Any any plans for the best to your Sunday Jordan? Yes, I'm gonna work at the little Hawaii comedy store hell. Yeah
Starting point is 01:34:54 Yeah, sweet. Well, by the way, this would be a little too late to come see her. Yes, it will Also, I don't even know if I'm getting up. I might just be a door guy tonight. Oh, yeah, I need shows coming up that you want to Oh, thank you all about I do I do have a bunch of shows actually I don't even know if I'm getting up. I might just be a doer guy tonight. Yeah. Any shows coming up that you want to tell all y'all about? I do. I do have a bunch of shows actually. Sweet. Yeah. Let's see here. Okay. In the meantime, what are you doing today? I'm going to do laundry and hang out with my dog. Okay. Thrilling. That sounds amazing.
Starting point is 01:35:21 Yeah. That sounds fantastic. How is, how is Moo? My dog? Yes, perfect and wonderful. Perfect and wonderful. Don't ever say anything else. Don't ask my neighbors. Don't ask my neighbors. Oh, really?
Starting point is 01:35:36 Keep our spot. I love him anyway. But it's one of those things where it's like, it's only okay when I say it. Yes, totally, exactly. I don't think it's perfect. Okay, for shows really quick, you can catch me Wednesdays at the Lohoy comedy store at eight o'clock there every week. And then on the 19th of December, I will be headlining
Starting point is 01:35:54 a show in Kerny Mesa at the Comedy Palace. So that's fun. That's a Thursday. I have no clue exactly if I have free tickets to give out to that show. They can tweet out, you right? Yeah. Jordan's confused. Yes, at Jordan's confused. Thank you. And then on Friday on the 20th, I will be doing a show at a place in downtown San Diego
Starting point is 01:36:15 called Courtyard, which is a really cool beer place. The sweet. Yes. And okay, that's also be at the Madhouse Comedy Club, the weekend of January. It's not a thing. January 24th. Sweet. Yes.
Starting point is 01:36:38 And 24th, 25th. I'll be at the Madhouse Comedy Club. Four shows. Two nights. One ginger. Sweet. Yes. Well, I'm thinking about the first thing I've ever seen. four shows, two nights, one ginger. Hahaha. Sweet.
Starting point is 01:36:46 Yes. Well, thank you so much for leading today. I think you did a great job. Thank you. I really feel like I don't know how Angie does it. So I appreciate your encouragement. Yes. Yes.
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