Jack - #MeToo v Kavanaugh (feat. Rosie O'Donnell & Sarah Kendzior)

Episode Date: September 24, 2018

Ep #47 - Joining us this week is Rosie O'Donnell (actor, comedian and activist) and Sarah Kendzior (NY Times bestselling author). Plus, Jaleesa covers new reporting on the money that moved around before and after the Trump Tower meeting, and AG covers the Kavanaugh nomination vs Dr. Ford. Enjoy!

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I have nothing to do with Putin. I've never spoken to him. I don't know anything about a mother. Then he will respect me. Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. So, it is political. You're a communist. No, Mr. Green. Communism is just a red herring. Like all members of the oldest profession I'm a capitalist. Hello and welcome to Muller She Wrote. I'm your anonymous host, A.G. I use a

pseudonym to avoid violating the Hatch Act as I work for Trump's executive branch. With me as always is Jolissa Johnson. Hello. Jordan Coburn is out of town this week. Good evening San Diego. I'm Veronica Horningstone. Tits McGee is on vacation. We have a great show for you this week you guys. Jolissa is going to cover new reporting on the money that moved around before and after the Trump Tower meeting.

And I'm going to be covering the Kavanaugh nomination story and what's happening with Dr. Ford's negotiations to testify to the Senate Judiciary Committee. We also have an interview with New York Times best-selling author of the view from flyover country, Sarah Kenzier, and an in-depth interview about all this week's news with actor, comedian, and activist Rosio Donald. I know. She's so awesome. This is crazy. Before we get to all that, I don't know how we're going to top that next week. I think we actually have Michael McFall coming on. Oh snap. He's the former ambassador to Russia under Obama.

We talked about him a lot in Russian roulette by Isakov and Korn. So that'll be, that's like a legit guest. So I got to get all, I got to put on pants. Put on pants. Put on pants for that. It's usually no pants interviews, but before we get to all that, we do have some corrections from last week's show. First, I kept calling Gary Cohn Roy Cohn, which kicked up a hilarious tweets and discussions

about the ghost of Roy Cohn removing documents from Trump's desk. I blame the cold medicine that Jordan and I were mainlining at the time, but thanks to everyone that pointed that out, we appreciated additionally. I wanted to note another correction that governors do not appoint House members when one resigns or dies. They only appoint senators that way. For the House, the Constitution specifies that they hold special elections to replace the House member. So those are the corrections. If you have any corrections this week, particularly in the Q&A session, because I just kind of riff those. Nothing's prepared there.

I like it though. And so, you know, it's just off the cuff, you know? It's riffing. Yeah. Any corrections, just email them to us at helloatmullersherote.com or tweet at us at mullersherote. So we've got a lot of news to cover, so let's jump in with just the facts. So, the bulk of the news this week was focused around the Kavanaugh nomination, and the Washington Post story in which Christine Blasey Ford came forward publicly with sexual assault allegations against the nominee.

Kavanaugh's popularity is now negative 9 in the USA today poll. That is the lowest of any nominee in the history of the poll. And Trump is telling his minions at rallies that they care about Kavanaugh. We care about Kavanaugh, not so much the other side. He actually said that. That's kind of obvious. I'll be covering the story in hot notes with Rosie O'Donnell. And I'll be issuing a trigger warning when that comes up, because both Rosie and I talk

about our Me Too stories and why we didn't report. We'll be posting the entire interview unedited for patrons. So if you haven't signed up, head to patreon.com slash mullershi wrote so you can hear the extras, but we will be speaking to her in the episode about Kavanaugh. So stay tuned for that. How do you get a night of nine? Is it like a different polling system or is that like basically they take how many people want you and how many people don't want you and they subtract it So you get negative people dead people right no so like if 10 people want you and 20 people don't want you That's negative 10. Oh, so yeah, he's at negative nine right now and he was a negative

Four last week and he was at four the week before and he was at I think nine the week before that. So or week or couple weeks every. She want to get a what zero or higher. You want much higher. Yeah. You want more people wanting you than not wanting you. You want a plus. I think I don't I don't have any information on what the past ones were. I can't tell you. But yeah, I think I think Maddo had said the next closest one was like a like a 12 or something. But I honestly I can't remember. I yeah I think I think Maddo had said the next closest one was like a like a 12 or something. But I honestly I can't remember I'm I'm guessing so mad out of the 12 there's our friend.

It's our 12 conjecture. So there's our first correction email us. Not yours mine. So early on the week we learned that Ronan Farrow he's like the little adorable reporter very popular. Pulitzer Prize winner. He's now in possession of Trump's apprentice B-roll tapes according to Tom Arnold.

B-roll is like the behind the scenes bloopers. Well, these tapes could include the tape where Amarosa, you know, Managalt Newman, says she heard Donald Trump use the N word. Right. That could be one of them, along with a lot of sexually inappropriate content, where he's hitting on women and harassing people.

Ronan Farrow earned a Pulitzer, as I said before, with his reporting on Harvey Weinstein. So apparently Tom Arnold and the producer of the apprentice Mark Burnett got into a physical altercation last Sunday at the Emmys, just two days before Tom Arnold's show, hunt for the Trump tapes was to premiere on Weissland. If this reporting is true, we might see this come out from Ronan Farrow in the coming weeks, so put some beans on that. It's crazy, and I love the fact that like there are Trump bloopers out there, because he just seems like, you know, a blooper every time.

So it's like, it's crazy that he gets worse, you know? I got it, I can't even imagine. Speaking of beans, let me explain beans. Because we get a lot of questions about beans. Let me explain. No, there is too much. Let me sum up. Buttercup is very hamper than a little less than half an hour.

So all we have to do is get in, break up to wedding, steal the princess, make our escape. So a long time ago, when I was doing stand-up, I still do stand-up, but I used to too. Shout out to Mitchel for peace. You know I know, I know, I know, I know. Out for the homie. I got coffee, I'll just know.

Anyway, there was a comedian named Dallas McLaughlin, who I worked with a lot. We hosted a night night together, back-to-back at a place called the Blarney's down pub here in town Known as best open mic slash worst open mic in town for gosh It was about nine years like that's where you went if you wanted a hard time Like if you wanted people to give you a really hard time and heco you and you had to kind of like cut your teeth That's where you went it was gonna grow. Yeah, it was really difficult because there's just a bunch of old crusty I was sailing guys and they were just a bunch of old crusty Irish sailing guys and they were just like their beards are older than me.

And they may get off the stage, but you know, it was awesome. So he used to have this bit about this was during a time when Larry the cable guy was a big thing. And he had a catchphrase get her done. Remember that. And then the other guy had, you know know you might be a red neck if you know I had that whole blue collar comedy tour thing so catchphrases were a thing and Dallas was like well obviously I have to if I'm gonna be famous I have

to have a catchphrase so he was running hit one part of one of his bits one of his jokes was he's running these ridiculous catchphrases by the audience and one of them was put some beans on it and it always just stuck in my head made me laugh. And when I was trying to come up with a catch phrase for us, like, you know, how Maddo has watched this space or put a pin in it, I was like, I need something like that. Like, watch this space, basically.

And I tried all sorts of different things. I did, I did polls online. I asked the hive mind. And I couldn't come up with a one. So just don't I'm I was like, you know I'm just gonna say put some beans on it because that's ridiculous and that's where that came from So we had them on episode 24 I think to to record all sorts of different Yes varieties of beans with a plethora of bean recording we do yeah, so that's where that comes from anyway I just wanted to let you know. Also, back to the news.

The testing on the $20 million Trump wall prototypes here in Otay Mesa in our backyard is finished. And the reports have come out showing that the project is a complete and total failure, utter failure. First of all, anyone with half a brain knows that physical walls are ineffective and virtual technology and drone technology is better and safer for patrolling the border. And I don't mean drones that shoot you. I just mean like camera drones. Shooting drones are obviously not safer. But all eight prototypes.

Remember they had like eight little sections of the wall? That's right, yeah, like oh my god, like they're shopping. Yeah, they were all breached by at least one of the tactical teams. Every single one, and the scaling results of when they were scaling the walls, those were totally redacted, and they failed to even test how the prototypes

fared against tunneling. So the project is over, it's a complete failure, a total waste of 20, total waste of 20 million dollars. Is it really over? It's over. Well, the wall isn't over. The testing is over. Got it.

20 million dollars down the tubes. I know a few veterans who could use that money, but are they going to try again like with a new probably I guess that's how it works right? You just keep testing key making money and keep the best thing we can do is stall the wall, but I mean, but I mean that you know in November it's not going to be an issue anymore. Hopefully, right show up. Yes, you have to show up for that to be traced. I saw Fahrenheit 11, nine last night.

Hold the crap. Good. So good. We'll have to watch that. Oh, absolutely. Maybe we'll do a review of it this way. Yes, we need to. Yeah, but you have to show up.

Don't make a liar out of me. I'll be mad. And then you don't even know. I don't want to see a G-Mad. Monday, the Atlantic ran a story about Good' Lindsey Graham, who made the rounds on the Sunday shows, the talk shows, with Republican John Kennedy. It freaks me out there's a Republican named Kennedy. But anyway, they were saying that Mueller should be allowed to finish his investigation.

Well, here to chat with us today about this new reporting on Lindsey Graham Crackers is writer and author of The New York Times best-selling book the view from Flyover Country, please welcome Sarah Kenzeer. Sarah, welcome to Mollershi Road. Thank you so much for having me. We're glad you're here to talk about this because this is interesting because all the way back in 2017, you had reminded everyone because I feel like the country collectively forgot that it wasn't just the DNC and the D-Triple C that was hacked. The GOP and the RNC were also hacked by the Russians. And that's in part the reason that senators and Republicans like Lindsey Graham went from

being scathingly critical of Trump to like whipsick offense, praising him at every opportunity at least I thought so. And recently a news org picked that up and ran the headline like it was new, saying counter-terrorism experts says Lindsey Graham is compromised. So can you tell us a little bit about your theory back in 2017 and what kind of evidence has come out since then that really supports your assertion?

Yeah, I did a lot of interviews, I guess about a year ago, starting in October about Lindsey Graham and about the Republicans in general, and why so many of them had done a 180 from, I guess, mildly criticizing Trump to having this level of obsequiousness, especially since more information was being revealed by Mueller. People like Manafort were being indicted. If anything, it seemed like they would move in the direction of admitting Republican culpability and Trump's culpability, but we saw the opposite.

And so, yes, everything you just said was true. The Republicans were hacked. The case of Graham is very interesting because he, as an individual, was also hacked. It wasn't just that he may have been part of a broader attack on the r&c he was attacked as an individual and he spoke about this immediately after the election which was also the time that he and John McCain called for an investigation into Russian interference. And so, you know, it has been my belief that he's compromised in some way. I don't necessarily think it's even a matter of blackmail. It could

be a matter of threats. It could be a matter of complicity because we know of his own ties to Russian oligarchs as well as ties in the GOP. There's also other issues to take into account, you know, careerism, opportunism. But I think this is beyond that. I think when you do such a hard 180 as Lindsey Grand did on this topic where everyone can just see you you know flipping in public can just see whatever is left of your integrity drain away that there's something darker at play. Yeah and can you go into you mentioned some of the Russian oligarch ties that he has what what are you talking about there? There's an article I think it's in the Dallas morning news maybe that came out late last December early in january that laid out the ties of a lot of prominent republican

officials to russian oligarchs including once he gram who i believe was tight to oligdar pasta but people should double check that and you know he was tied as an individual in terms of his own investments his own campaign but i think what's important to know is that it's you know so many prominent players managing the finances of the republican national convention and of the g.o.p. in general are in meshed in the russian interference case and you know they've admitted to it people like michael kohan people like rich gates and so i think you know as as a whole the party

is painted and if one goes down uh... you know others will go down with them but um... you know what i would like to know almost more than white and gram split is why did he inaugurate the investigation in the Russian interference to begin with because clearly he fails vulnerable, clearly he fails, you know, threatened that there's something to hide, but he and McCain were the first two Republican politicians in, you know, for a while, the only two, to come out and take a hard stand, you know, and call for this. So I'm wondering why he took that risk to begin with.

Yeah, it does seem odd, and it's interesting to note, as you said, that he was individually hacked, much like John Podesta was fished using spear fishing, which is the common for, I can't remember if it's fancy bear or cozy bear. It's one of the bears. It's their way. Yeah, it's interesting that he was saying they'll be held to pay and all this other stuff and then all of a sudden, shoot, he kind of flipped around like that. And we've been, after you came out with that, we were like, yeah, what's up with that? We started this podcast late last October when Manafort and Gates were indicted. And I think you're right with Cohen.

He got that $500,000 into his little essential consultant slush fund from a Russian oligarch. And yeah, they're just really enmeshed in it. So it's interesting. And what I wanted to ask you about, though, is this week, Andrew Craigie of The Atlantic put out a story talking about how Lindsey Graham had abandoned his support for Jeff Sessions in late August, saying the Mueller probe was biased against Trump, and maybe it's time for a new AG after the midterms. But recently this week, he went in on an interview, Graham did, saying, and Kennedy, voicing

their support of the Mueller investigation, or at least saying that they think Mueller is going to be fair, and that he should be allowed to continue unfettered. What do you think his strategy is with those statements that he's compromised? Do you think he's just kind of sort of putting up little safety nets or like what's the deal? Yeah, I'm suspicious of basically any media story that comes out involving Jeff Sessions and this appearance of feuding within the Trump administration and Jeff Sessions. Anything that positions him as a white hat, I mean, probably suspicious of, because I think the only white hat related to Jeff's sessions is shaped like a cone

and comes up a robe. But, you know, Jeff's sessions is also, he's implicated in this. He's implicated in the Russian interference case. He was hired as a foreign policy adviser for Trump. He's the one who brought on top of Doppler. He's the one who met with Kislyak. He allegedly was supposed to recuse himself. Everyone talks about this. Is it that actually happened? He didn't recuse himself in practice. He went ahead and signed on to the firing of Komi.

And there's no real indication to me that sessions is somehow this bulwark, you know, against Trump and his team interfering with a more investigation. I think that it benefits them to think that there's a friction because then we think, oh, you know, do process. So, you know, the investigation is continuing as it should be. And even just sessions

is doing his job and we're not in tremendous jeopardy. I'm just, I'm suspicious of that. So now I'm trying to remember the session part of your question beyond, oh, Graham, Graham flipping on that. Yeah, I think that there's some safety. Like, if, you know, I don't want to send you apparently here, but like if a Republican feels that the results of the Mueller investigation are going to be in consequential, meaning, you know, because certain people will be indicted, they'll confirm, you know, a lot of illicit and legal behavior happened, but nothing really comes of it.

Certain people stay in the administration like sessions and Christianer, of course, Trump, and of course the Republicans themselves don't be punished. If they feel confident in that, then I think they feel confident in kind of cheering the Mueller probe on. And then maybe they switch up, they're rhetoric a little bit, if Trump or somebody else suspended by that. So I'm not sure that Trump plays that particular game quite as adeptly. But yeah, I'm wary of all the sessions talk. I don't trust it.

Yeah, it could be that, or it know, them putting up a little flag saying in case what does come out is really bad. I wanted to have been in support of the Mueller investigation so that I can walk away with my hands clean like casino hands, but I, yeah, it's it is very, yeah, I'm really wary of it too. And I honestly think that all of the Trump tweets and speeches against sessions are really just him trying to lay a groundwork or set up a pretext for firing him after the midterms without it looking like obstruction. But we'll see how that goes. Hopefully we'll have a democratic bicameral house in place, at least the House, if not the Senate, and we can then reopen these investigations and take them where they should be. Now, do you think other people like Ted Cruz, who's just turned into this cuck for him, or Roarabokka or Nunez?

I think I've heard rumors that people are told to stay away from Roarabokka and Nunez because they're under investigation. Those are rumors, obviously. But do you think maybe they could also be compromised by something like this? Oh, God, well Roarabokka has been compromised forever. I mean, I use the study Uzbekistan. And you know, Dean of Roarabokka is basically the only person in Congress who could be relied on to praise and celebrate the dictator of his

backstain is one cream up. It was just, you know, one of the most brutal dictators in the world. And at one point, I was giving a talk about this in DC and he was there for whatever reason, you know, the talk at an institution or something and got really angry. And it's not just to the backstain, obviously, you know, he's a huge coup in fan. Like basically there's a post-Soviet dictator. I do know Robocker just loves him. And I do think that there's a Democratic part to this. I think some of it is just veneration for autocrats. I don't really know what drove him there,

but it's so consistent. But I think he has money in place, extremely strange behavior. New and Ed is more of a mystery mystery to me because he's younger. He hasn't been in politics for a very long time. I'm like, Robocker, he's had inconsistencies in his position. You may remember, I think it was March 2017. He gave his first trans conference where he was basically called out for being a lap dog

for Trump instead of a watchdog for the info committee. And he looked terrified. He looked like, oh god, he and I have been caught. I might have to say some repercussions. Then he just went on to do the same things that he's been doing, which is basically he attempts to obstruct the investigation. And I think the longer that he's not held accountable for that behavior, the more involved than he is to do it. And that's true for the Republicans in general general but they were some sort of new to politics and like newness you know the lesson he's learning is just you know stay stay in the game on the wrong team you know never flinched and ultimately you'll be rescued and that's a

really terrible lesson for you know him to be absorbing in for America in general yeah I agree I really agree with you on the Roarabacher points too, because I mean with this whole Manafort cooperation now, it's really bad for Roarabacher because they work together lobbying for Yana Kovic with the help of like Vanderswann and Gates and the Scad and Law firm and that's why Craig, Craig was recently handed over by theer investigation in their weighing whether or not he's a democrat whether or not they're gonna get him on on violating uh... the foreign agents registration act as well so it's all really interesting yeah no it's frightening and another thing about robocker

that people forget uh... it's that he was the initial person floated as secretary of state after trump was elected he was the very first name on later on we went on to find out that you know the kremlin had played a role in selecting tillerson um... you know likely to see one of the sanctions lifted in their familiar to the person from well from his order of friendship that will not be on the oil industry and the minute i saw that the minute i saw that they were going to make dinner

robocker secretary of state i think there's absolutely no way in hell, but this was not a Kremlin plot. Obviously in tandem with a lot of willing Americans. But I was like, come on, you were just showing all your cards. This is way back, I think, in December 2016, when most people thought I was crazy and that anyone who said, Russia had interfered with the I was crazy and that anyone who said Russia had interfered the election was crazy. And I was just like, this is so blatant. And I do think that he probably played a bigger role in this entire series of events than it's been revealed. And I hope that Mueller goes after him hard.

Yeah, well, they are definitely America's dumbest criminals at this point. But well, everyone, you can get Sarah's book of essays on politics, the economy, and the erosion of US institutions and trust. It's called The View from Fly Over Country. You can get it everywhere. Books are sold. So Sarah, Kenzie, or thank you so much for joining us.

Oh, thank you for having me on. Wednesday, we learned that the sentencing of Michael Flynn is set for December 18th. Cohen will be sent in December 12th. Trump will call this the new war on Christmas. Fine, fine by me. He's my last holiday season too. Wasn't he? He was like, this has to be wrapped up by Thanksgiving. Yeah. Or he's mad that he can't go to a party because he did something stupid. He's weird. Yeah. We also learned Wednesday that senators

Bloomingthal, Leahy, and Doug Jones, that's the newly elected Democrat from Alabama that beat Petto Roy Moore. He sent a letter to Don McGahn. That's the White House Council, right? That's the Rock and Roll guy who has the lawyer Burke. And that's the same lawyer that preabits in ban and half. You know, it's that guy McGahn. He's the one who spent 30 hours talking to Mueller and everybody freaked out, except we were having a party. The White House Council. So they sent him a letter regarding the Kavanaugh nomination and they had a few questions from McGahn and the letter says quote, these questions do not come to us in a vacuum. Press reports from February of this year indicate

that you were aware of the domestic violence allegations against former staff secretary Rob Porter over a year before the allegations became public. Additionally, it has been reported that Kavanaugh recommended Rob Porter for the job." So the senators want to know if McGahn was aware of Dr. Ford's allegations before they became public when he knew and what details he had prior to the allegations becoming public. And if anyone else knew about the allegations besides him. Further, the letter goes on to address the signed letter from 65 women, Kavanaugh went to high school with, then Blumenthal asked if McGann was involved in drafting

or coordinating that letter. When it was drafted, he wanted to know when it was drafted, what prompted it, whose idea was it, if it was coordinated with anyone in the Senate Judiciary Committee, and if any of it was drafted before Dr. Ford's allegations became public. Finally, the letter asked what if any steps did McGann take to investigate the allegations against Kavanaugh, if he's aware of any other allegations against Kavanaugh. Two big things. Other allegations against Kavanaugh. I hadn't considered that, and it's crazy, to say that you know one isn't too many but or you know enough

But it just feels like yeah a lot of them are repeat offenders is such a simple thing to them is like oh back in the day Everyone did this in my group. So like yeah, there could be other women I really could well study shows from random the average rapist or attempted rapist will do it 5.8 times in their life 5.8 What's the point eight about? Well, you know, it's an average. That's crazy. Oh, yeah, you're right. I'm sorry, I just got it really.

You can only put it eight to the way in. I thought about that. I thought it was the way in. Yeah, I'm like, like, it's an attempt, but it's still wrong. Yeah, harassment. Three-quarter of the way is 10 inches. No, it doesn't stop it. Just because you showed it to me twice

doesn't make it 10 inches. Anyway, we're going to keep you posted with when and how McGann responds to this letter. As we know, McGann has been fully cooperating with the Mueller investigation as I had stated earlier, and there have been accusations from Democratic senators that Kavanaugh had spoken with Trump's lawyer's firm about the Mueller investigation. It'll be interesting to see how all that comes together. And again, that's a good point to make.

A lot of people would be like, why are you talking about Kavanaugh? I'm here to listen about Mueller. But Kavanaugh has a lot to do with the Mueller investigation. If he gets seated on the court, the Supreme Court hears a Trump case, and we know Kavanaugh is very prone to believe that the president is above the law. He's written extensively about it, and he has not promised to recuse himself. So it's got a lot to do with the Mueller investigation. And that whole Camila Harris line of questioning

we saw in the confirmation hearings where she asked, did you talk to anyone at this law firm? It's kind of a big deal. Totally, absolutely. So it's Casabets' law firm, by the way, that's Trump's lawyer. Trump's sat out Wednesday. Trump's out Wednesday. Trump's that out Wednesday.

On to Thursday. No, Trump's set out Wednesday with more attacks against Jeff Sessions. It's clear to me he's trying to create a false pretext for firing sessions, so it doesn't look like obstruction of justice. I think he maybe learned his lesson after firing seven other people.

Eight times the time. You know, right? It had a 10. He's been laying that groundwork for weeks now, and most expect he'll fire the attorney general after the midterms, if not sooner, so we'll keep an eye on that. Another story this week was Trump's unprecedented call for the release of unredacted parts of the Carter Page FISA warrant, along with all FBI interviews regarding the FISA warrant. Nunes chimed in, butthole, saying the documents could be released in a couple hours and it should quote, were the heck out of Americans if they're not?

Were the heck. I'm worried about other things, Nunes. Yeah, like he's got a really good track record with classified information. The president received a heavy pushback from this, or on this, from Democrats and intelligence officials. The most idiotic part was that Trump was citing transparency, asking to release pages 10 through 12 and 17 through 34 of the Pfizer-Warrant application. I guess transparency is only on those pages. No, interesting. If Thursday night, Trump began walking back his demands with a full 180 on Friday.

When he tweeted that he had received calls from several allies asking him not to release the documents and even going as far as to say it would look bad for him to release them in light of the Russian investigation. God, do you think so? Also of note, it was Rosenstein, who apparently convinced Trump not to declassify the documents after spending a couple hours at the White House Thursday night.

The LA Times reported Friday that it was in fact Fox News anchors that had convinced the president to try to declassify the documents, and I think their motive was to set up a confrontation with Rosenstein and perhaps give Trump a reason to fire him. Well, that appears to have failed, and only a handful of hours later, some crazy news dropped Friday about Rosenstein, and I'll go over that later, kind of suspicious. And then in a weird piece of reporting from the Talking Points memo, Trump told a reporter from the Hill that he should have fired Comey when he won the primary or at least after the Republican convention.

Oh, that's not how it works. Obama was still the president at that point and Trump had not yet won the election. To me, and maybe I'm nuts, maybe I'm tinfoil here. But aside from Trump not understanding how shit works, this speaks to Trump knowing before the election even happened that he was going to win. Quote, I should have fired him before I got here. I should have fired in the day I won the primaries. How can you say that with so much confidence,

completely dismissing the actual election as a rubber stamp? It's interesting, right? Oh, definitely. And I always find it interesting that, even though Trump seemed to know he was gonna win, he also seemed like he didn't want to win. It just seems like a prisoner. But I don't want to pity him either,

he's not a little piece of shit. Fuck that guy. Yeah, it's a weird situation. Then a big story dropped Thursday that Cohen has been cooperating with Mueller pretty extensively without a cooperation agreement in place. I am Captain, cooperation. It's important to remember that Mueller is not handling the Cohen case, but Cohen can memory handed it off to the Southern District of New York.

But Cohen is, nonetheless, talking to Mueller about key issues, including, according to sources, obstruction, money laundering, and his business dealings with Russia, that sadar Trump tower deal, whether or not Trump offered him a pardon and collusion. He's also apparently talking to the New York State AG. I like just the AG. Yeah. It's not me.

See Attorney General New York's New York state About the Trump organization and the Trump foundation. This is big because Cohen is all over the dossier You guys which is still to this date has not been debunked. No, no part of it has been disproven people Dispute Prague. I guess that one is the yet to be determined right some people are like no He definitely wasn't there and I'm like I get a swan., we're a couple of passports, and they're looking into that. Yeah, it's not been debunked yet. Yeah. Cohen has his hand in the payments of foreign hackers also.

And he knows about the oligarch money coming into Trump coffers. This is a big deal. Though it's a note that Cohen is totally tainted. He's complete P.O.S. Totally tainted, yeah. Totes taint. Nice. Everybody knows it, which may be why he waited

until after he pleaded guilty to start cooperating. So as to look as though he weren't trying to dangle for pardons, you know, we'll put some beans on it. Beans. And we'll keep you posted. Then Friday we learned about more money changing hands shortly before and directly after the Trump Tower meeting and Jalice is going to update that later in the show.

Then Friday, we got an update on the case that could close some of the options Mueller may have to release a public report on Trump or transmit one to Congress. Remember a couple weeks ago, episode 44, I talked about a decades-old murder case everyone was freaking out about because it could favor a reading of court rules that would require judges to strictly enforce grand jury secrecy? Well, let's listen to that clip. Then everybody started freaking out Monday about a report in Policco. Hey, human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together,

mass hysteria. The report was about a sleeper case that could supposedly torpedo the entire Mueller investigation. Basically, the DC Court of Appeals will hear a case next month about a guy who was murdered decades ago, and the Justice Department wants to set precedent that judges don't have the freedom to release grand jury information that's usually kept secret. And a lot of folks who are afraid this could be a problem for Mueller releasing his report because Congress would be deciding to publicize it, not a judge. However, chill out. First, we need to vote in November because a Democratic Congress would render this point completely moot. If not, I think a court case could easily create

an exemption, not to mention denying an indictment would automatically trigger a report to Congress, the gang of eight, and above all, Mueller, I'm sure, has every base covered, so don't let this stress you out. So that case came up Friday, and the three judge panel issued no immediate decision and gave no definitive indication of where the court will come down on this decision.

We'll keep you posted as promised. Also on Friday, the Wall Street Journal reported that ex-Trump lawyer John Dowd tried to help pay legal fees for Manafort and Gates before... Okay, so apparently he tried to divert money from the White House Legal Council Defense Fund, and it's sad that there's one. In addition to soliciting donors and putting up $25,000 out of his own pocket, this is John Dowd. In all cases, advisors close to Trump objected to Dowd's action, saying it could appear aimed at stopping the two former

aides from cooperating with investigators. You think? Yeah. At this time, or at that time, I should say, Dowd was heading Trump's legal team in the Russian investigation, and this could prove to be significant conflict of interest or even witness tampering. You know, it's kind of akin to dangling a pardon.

So even Trump was like, hey, you might not want to do that? I don't think Trump said. I think it was Trump and just a whole manner. I think Trump might not even have known. But what a Trump now. And when did he learn it? Or he wouldn't have understood it. Does he still know?

Are you smarter than a fifth grader? Not according to Mattis. We just do a game show. I love it. That would be a good skit. All right. But then Friday got interesting, you guys. As always, saying earlier, Rosenstein spent a couple hours at the White House Thursday night

trying to talk Trump off the ledge about releasing unredacted Carter Page FISA application documents. Trump got the idea from folks at Fox News who seemingly wanted to set up a fight between Rosenstein and Trump giving Trump a reason to fire him as we've discussed. Hours after that failed and Trump walked back his document release, you know, agenda. And rather suspiciously, the New York Times published a story saying that Deputy Attorney General

Rod Rosenstein, aka Snoop Dag, had allegedly talked about wearing a wire around Trump in the week following the Komi firing to help recruit cabinet level officials to invoke the 25th Amendment. Rosenstein immediately dismissed the reporting as false and said he does not now support the 25th Amendment. And it's interesting that he used the present tense. But as the day went on, the controversial story was refuted by both NBC and the Washington Post.

They both say Rosenstein's comment about wearing a wire was a joke according to a source that was present in that meeting. Also according to the source, the White House had asked Rosenstein to make a second stronger statement refuting the New York Times article and Trump and he did he came out and said, no, I didn't do this. And Trump had asked several of his aides late Friday night if he should fire Rosenstein. That's crazy. This could be big, you guys.

And the contested reporting for the New York Times will no doubt give fodder to the Trump administration's allegation that there's a deep state and it could give Trump pretext to fire Rosenstein. I'm more than convinced that the sources working with the New York Times were working on behalf of Trump. I know that sounds weird. Actually, it doesn't watch Fahrenheit 119. It actually makes a lot of sense. It's conjecture, but I'm right, I think.

I have spent the last three years, no, I haven't. Trump has spent the last three years belittling and demeaning the failing New York Times as fake news. It'll be hard now for Trump to come out and support this article, calling, you know, uncollect credible, but I wouldn't put it past him. Put some beans on this space. Mm-hmm. See, I put other mixed little magic.

I really like that. That was smooth. Thank you. Finally, Saturday NBC reports that a press advisor helping lead the Senate Judiciary Committee's response to a sexual assault allegation against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh has resigned in shame amid evidence he was fired from a previous political position because of sexual harassment allegations He worked as an aide on Chuck Grassley's committee and he was helping coordinate the GOP's bullying and misogynistic messaging about Dr. Blaziford explains a lot doesn't it it? Oh yeah. We'll be right back.

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Hot Notes. Welcome back. It's time for Hot Notes. This week, Jolissa has an update on the money that was moved around just before and directly after the Trump Tower meeting. If you listened to our episode last week, according to BuzzFeed, investigators are focused on two bursts of banking activity, one 11 days after the Trump Tower meeting and one right after the election. According to documents, money was moved from Russia and Switzerland to the British Virgin Islands, Bangkok, and a small

office park in New Jersey. Aras Agalaraf used overseas accounts to filter over 20 million bucks to himself and his son Amin and two of his douche buddies. And other people who attended the Trump Tower meeting, namely, Kavaladze and Goldstone. These transactions came to light after bankers filed suspicious activity reports to the Treasury, which in turn shared them with the FBI, IRS, Congressional Committees, and Bob Mueller. Additionally, 13 days after the election,

the Agilara of Spank account in Russia made 19 separate wire transfers to that New Jersey account belonging to a mean, and that account hadn't seen any activity since 2015 So Joliza hasn't update to this Because there's more to the story now Joliza. What do you have for us? Oh, yeah, so bus feed put out another article called the planners of the Trump Tower meeting Moved millions and Mueller is now investigating and so apparently a document shows suspicious transfers that began six days before the infamous meeting. And on June 3, 2016, when Trump received the controversial email from Russia offering dirt on Hillary, what we learned is that on that very same day that the email was sent, another suspicious exchange occurred.

So documents reviewed by BuzzFeed showed that $3.3 million began moving on June 3 between Agarloff and Cavalazze. And some of it even appeared to be used to make payments on Agarloff and Cavalazze. And some of it even appeared to be used to make payments on Agarloff's behalf. So this included over $700,000 in American express charges, which is crazy to me. Why would you use AMEX? That's so old white guy.

Very true. I mean, I use AMEX, but it's still like, that's a lot of charges. Really? Yeah, because they're expensive. They charge a lot of fees. Maybe got buddies at amx but their attorneys god balber he said quote what is suspicious or insidious about a billionaire who pays his employee in the u.s. to pay his business or domestic bills this looks like

complete nonsense what suspicious about sending money through eight different uh... wash banks and shell companies to a guy to two guys who were in a meeting right before the meeting right after the meeting. What's weird about that? What's the big deal? You're being crazy. You basically went on to claim that this is just a witch hunt and he accused the banks of overreporting suspicious activity due to the Mueller investigation.

So you know, classic lines. And none of these transactions came to light until the New York Times revealed the Trump Tower meeting in 2017. Oh, wait a minute. There was no Mueller investigation back then. So how can they say that the banks were reporting these SARS because of the Mueller investigation? Exactly. Back in June of 2016, there was no Mueller investigation. Yeah.

Oh my God. Yeah, it's ridiculous. It's just, it's naturally investigators began to look into this because they actually went back into all their history and they went into everyone who attended the meeting. So it's just, you know, standard protocol. And what they learned from this is that three different descriptions of the type of business they were running was given to three separate banks. So they used city bank, chase, and Morgan Stanley.

And so they basically said that one of the businesses, it was a music promotion company. And then they also told another company or businesses, it was a music promotion company, and then they also told another company, or bank that it was a transportation equipment and supplies merchant host seller, and then Agriilarov told Chase it was a service provider for his real estate company. So they're giving all these different types of descriptions for the same company,

and their own attorney said that they have two separate businesses both under the same name, Corsi International, and they have one in California for the real estate, I guess, and then one in New York for their business and music. Wait, is Korsi, CORSI? Yes. That's the same, that's the name of the guy,

the Stonehenge guy who testified to the Grand Jury on Friday. Oh, that's weird. Interesting, yeah. I wonder how about that. But this whole, it's pretty confusing when you say it all like that, because this is a lack the lack of transparency That basically made the banger's question the purpose of the funds in the in the first place They were like this is kind of hard to follow. We don't know what company is what you say it's all the same

But there's all these different descriptions and so it was just you know, naturally they flagged it It was just really weird and then they happen on the same day that that don juniors sent that if it's what you What exactly you are say I love it I love it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah really weird. So the money ended up with Kavalatsay. Yes, they got a lot of yeah Yeah, there was Trump's buddy. Mm-hmm. Okay. Yeah, and nothing to see here right yeah Yeah, so this is where it all actually comes down to Russia So Kavalats has established more than 2000 corporations in Delaware for Russian real estate brokers and then he set up the US bank accounts for them.

I wonder if Kovalat say anything to do with Bayrock and I wonder how many Trump condos he owns. I'm sure that information is out there. We can probably get it from Dorkin. That would be interesting. Yeah. Yeah, that's nuts. So basically I think what it boils down to, it wasn't just 11 days after the meeting,

but six days prior to the meeting and on the day that Don Jr. sent that email, I love it. That's when money started moving around. Yeah, very, very suspicious. 700,000, 400,000 from Agalarov to Cavalade, say, through 8,000 different companies. Yeah, it's crazy. Wow. Interesting. Well, thank you for that update.

Of course. It's crazy. Wow. Interesting. Well, thank you for that update. Of course. It's amazing. We've gone from Trump has no financial ties to any Russian oligarchs to proof via banking suspicious activity reports that all of his money, all this money, exchange hands, and Trump supporters are just sort of fine with that. Yeah.

They're moving this, these are baby steps like towards their loop in the truth. It's going to get to the point where you're like, so what? He took my bunch of money from Russians. Buh! It's crazy. That's weird.

Before I get to the next segment, guys, I want to issue a trigger warning. We could actually have an entire segment called trigger warning at this point. Honestly, there's so much harassment, assault, domestic violence, and attempted rape in this administration, and probably actual rape. That it's, I mean, how?

Why? I don't even get it. Like I said, a couple episodes ago, the fuck are these people? Yeah, the best people, I guess. Yeah, they're the best. Today, I want to talk about what happened with the negotiations this week between cats.

That's the lawyer for Christine Blaise Ford. That's the woman who came forward with attempted rape accusations against Kavanaugh. That's Trump's Supreme Court nominee embattled, if you will, and Chuck Grassley, the Republican chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee, what a great guy. Sunday, Dr. Ford came forward in an article. This is last Sunday, not yesterday, but the Sunday before. She came forward in an article published by the Washington Post saying, it's me. It happened.

Here I am. By midweek, the Republicans on the Senate Judiciary Committee said that if she wanted to testify, she'd have to do it in front of the committee at the same table as her accuser on the following Monday. And the White House told the FBI not to investigate, stand down, do not investigate, which is completely unprecedented. They always do. In the last two Supreme Court nominations or judge

nominations that have had sexual assault allegations, the FBI has investigated. Her lawyer responded saying she needed more time. Monday was not possible, as Dr. Ford had to move out of her house with her two teenagers and her husband because of repeated and invasive death threats against her and her family. And they asked again for an investigation, which again, as I said by precedent, has always been afforded.

The Senate said they could have a conference call. We'll have a conference call. And then Dr. Ford came back and said that she wanted fine-stine on the call and her staff, grassly on the call and his staff, and her lawyers to be present. So they had that call Thursday night to discuss terms. Dr. Ford wanted a judge that's Mark Judge, the other witness. He wanted, she wanted him subpoenaed. She wanted to bring her own witnesses who recalled the account. And she wanted an investigation to be conducted. And for Dr. Ford to testify after Judge Kavanaugh and not in the same room or at the same table. They also wanted to ensure her safety. Those were their demands. After the call, Grassley said they could have Wednesday for her to testifying instead of

Monday, but they would subpoena no witnesses. They would not allow any of her witnesses, and they would conduct no investigation. And Dr. Ford had to testify first, not second. And they gave her until 10 a.m. the next morning. He then pushed the deadline to 5 p.m. the next day, which was Friday, by the way. And then 10 p.m. the next morning. He then pushed the deadline to 5 p.m. the next day, which is Friday, by the way. And then 10 p.m. and then he said through the media that if they don't get back by 10 p.m. She's too bad, so sad. We're voting on Monday. F. you forget the whole thing.

At 9.30, Dr. Ford's lawyer, 9.30 p.m., Dr. Ford's lawyer sent the following letter to Chuck Grassley. And I'm going to read you this letter because it's pretty epic. I can't, I don't know. I think you've probably heard it. If you listen to us, you probably listen to Maddo, but you're going to, I'm going to read it again. Dear Mrs. Wiley and Mrs. Davis, I'm writing a response to your emails from earlier today. I was stunned to see that the Judiciary Committee noticed judged Kavanaugh's vote for Monday

morning in the midst of our ongoing discussions regarding the terms and conditions under which Dr. Christine Blasey Ford could testify before the committee. Incredibly, you did so well before the 10pm deadline. You had arbitrarily imposed just hours before. The imposition of aggressive and artificial deadlines regarding the date and conditions of any hearing has created tremendous and unwarranted anxiety and stress on Dr. Ford, your cavalier treatment of a sexual assault survivor who has been doing her best to cooperate with the committee

is completely inappropriate. Yesterday, we had what I thought was a productive dialogue about the conditions Dr. Ford would find acceptable to be able to testify before the Senate. Jita Shira committee about her allegations of sexual assault involving Judge Brett Kavanaugh. Rather than continuing that dialogue, Senator Grassley today conveyed a counter proposal through the media, insisting that she appear for a hearing on a date I had expressly told you

was not feasible for her. Hours after those media accounts first appeared, you sent me a response to the proposals that we had conveyed in good faith yesterday. You rejected a number of the proposals that are important to Dr. Ford to ensure that the process would be fair, including subpoenaing Mark Judge to testify. Instead you spent much of your email making points that distorted the requests we had made and the sequence of events.

It would be fruitless to review each of those misstatements. As it's now abundantly clear that regardless of the assurance of Senator Grassley has made, you have been tasked with pressuring Dr. Ford to agree to conditions you find advantages to the nominee. And also, with denying Democratic members of the Senate Judiciary any input about how this hearing would proceed. When I urge you to include them in our discussions today, you rejected my request outright, accusing them of being the source of leaks, even more disturbing.

While you took almost a full day to consider our proposal, you demanded a 5pm response to your proposal this evening. My email sent today at 4.01pm. I advised you that Dr. Ford had traveled to meet with the FBI for several hours about the death threats she had been receiving, and we would need until tomorrow to confer with her and be able to provide you with a well-considered response, rather than allowing her the time she about the death threats she had been receiving. And we would need until tomorrow to confer with her and be able to provide you with a well-considered response. Rather than allowing her the time she needs to respond,

you, sorry, rather than allowing her the time she needs to respond to take it, to your take it or leave it demand, you conveyed, you sent us an email at 5.47 pm, which you again gave to the media first, insisting that we accept your invitation for a Wednesday hearing by 10pm tonight. I now have learned that Senator Grassley has scheduled the committee's vote for this Monday. The 10pm deadline is arbitrary, its sole purpose is to bully Dr. Ford and to bribe her of the ability to make a considered decision that

has life altering implications for her and her family. She has already been forced out of her home and continues to be subjected to harassment, hate mail, and death threats. Our modest request is that she be given an additional day to make her decision, sincerely Deborah Katz. Wow. So that's for a day. So it's interesting, but then at 11 p.m. she sent that at 9.30 at 11 p.m. Grassley granted her another day, but not a full day. He only gave her till 2.30 today, or Saturday, I should say. This episode comes out Monday, we record Saturday, and he gave her till 2.30 p.m. Eastern Standard Time Saturday. And since we record before that deadline, we will have to include that response in next week's show.

So that's the timeline of events, and I wanted to bring on someone I thought could speak to this week's Senate Judiciary shenanigans. Again, I want to issue a trigger warning because Rosie O'Donnell and I will be telling each other our Me Too stories. So we have a very special guest today to share her thoughts on this week's news. She's been in a ton of my favorite movies including sleepless in Seattle and a League of Their Own, my favorites. She's an actor, she's a comedian, she's an activist, a philanthropist, and an author, please welcome Rosie O'Donnell. Rosie, welcome to Mueller, she wrote. Thanks, thanks for having me.

We really appreciate you being here. So first of all, our podcast focus is mainly on the Mueller investigation. And I wanted to talk to you a little bit about Trump's nomination of Judge Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court, not just as it relates to the Mueller investigation, but how it's playing out since Dr. Blaziford came forward with her attempted rape allegation back in

1983 with Judge Kavanaugh as the attacker. And Trump has mostly been silent on this matter this week as handlers were sort of keeping him at bay until just this morning when he tweeted out that called her out by name and said that if her experience was as bad as she says that she she should have reported it immediately or her loving parents should have reported it immediately reported it immediately with law enforcement and now he's demanding that report

uh... what are your initial thoughts on him abandoning his previously more measured tone and going just directly after her well that's more typical then how he was behaving for the last few days i mean i was done the first time i saw him saying well we need to hear from her and we need to hear from and it needs to be fair and who on every one to be happy and i have like who is that some zombie you know uh...

infiltrated his body and it's not him this is the true man the one who attacks the victim today, the one who, you know, is a misogynist beyond definition of that word. He brings it to a whole other category. And the only thing he would know about Charles being raped or molested would be him and the cabinal role. So I don't think he's somebody who has empathy, compassion, depth, understanding, basic human traits to relate to any woman as an equal or as a human or someone demanding decency

and dignity and respect. So he's a flawed, flawed human being with some pretty serious mental health issues that the country has chosen to ignore or forget no matter how often he exhibits the signs. Yeah, I agree with you 100%. And I mean, he's got 12 plus credible accusers of his own. So that's kind of where he's drawing his experience from is not only deflecting those accusations, but paying people off, doing kitchen kill stories with his buddy, David Pecker, at AMI, and the inquirer.

And that's just kind of his background and his knowledge of this kind of situation comes from himself being a sexual assaultor. Exactly. Being the predator, and that's who he is, and that's what he is, and that's what he's always been. How many billionaires do you know that own modeling agencies? Not very many. And the reason that he owned that modeling agency, I think, has still yet to be determined. What was the true reason for the Donald Trump modeling agency?

And what happened to those women who were there? What happened to all those parties where allegedly Jeff Epstein and he were snorting Coke off of young underage girls butts? What happened to all of those facts that we conveniently leave out of the frame? And mainstream media has been doing this with Donald Trump since he decided to run when he came down that escalator. They didn't. So here comes a man with four bankruptcies who's been accused ten times of sexual abuse. He is now calling Mexicans rapists. Every time that he does one of his hates filled rallies, they don't frame it.

They just go, here he is. And it's a locked frame of 20 people behind him looking strange and onerous and then him giving his absurdly ineliqu hate speech and everyone going crazy. Well, if the mainstream media led that story off with the facts, here we are in Detroit. It was supposed to be an outdoor venue, but they were not enough people. They moved it into a high school gymnasium. The camera is now locked off. There are 240 people here.

Half of them have been paid. And here's what our hate-filled borderline personality disorder president is about to say. Then everybody, when they ingest the hatred, they have to ingest the frame in which it lifts. And that's what's missing, I think, with the whole Donald Trump false equivalence from the beginning. Yeah, you're right. The context is just completely missing from that and and it's it's important that

everybody see him through that through that frame and uh and also right because when Obama spoke the other day Obama spoke they were quick to say how many people were there how many people were at the event and like there are all these statistics that were up for when Obama spoke and when Trump speaks there's none yeah i don't know how he gets away with that when Obama spoke and when Trump speaks, there's none. Yeah, I don't know how he gets away with that. I don't either, but he's been doing it his whole life. And it's no wonder that somebody with this many crosshairs on him in terms of his legal jeopardy that he would still feel omnipotent.

You can tell by, you know, that's how you know the level of his mental illness, that he doesn't even seem to have an awareness of how much trouble he's in. Yeah, I know that's true. And this tweet coming out this morning is, it can be really triggering for a lot of women around the country because not reporting your assault or your attempted rape is very common, especially if you're 15. And it's really, yeah, did you, now how old are you I'm 44 okay I'm 56 I had

an incident like this not involving me but involving another girl in high school and it was the football players and I know all their names and I see all their faces and I see them on Facebook and I know a couple of them are lawyers and but all these boys that call down to the principal's office because of what happened with one girl on the football field where there was liquor involved and 10 football players from the varsity team and a seventh grader. And I remember that story vividly, and if she ever wanted to press charges against those boys, I would be able to testify and say, oh, I remember what was going on in the school. All the boys were taken and they would call her a whore

and she would have a book very close to her chest, her head down as she walked through the hallways. Every high school has a story like this. And 15-year-old girls are not able emotionally, intellectually, to process that kind of trauma. Never mind from an upper classman. Never mind from an upper classman rich preppy kid who goes to the high where the chosen few

prepschool, right? So there's a lot of layers involved in this. I don't know what school this the accused or went to. I don't know, you know, the set up of the neighborhood, but I guarantee there are people from both of the high schools where the boys went to the prepschool and where she went. That had heard that this occurred. Yeah, this is not a very uncommon thing. No, and for me, I was 21 in the military. And when I tried to report, I was told that I would, if I filed a false report, I'd be kicked out.

I'd be charged with adultery because my attacker was married. I would lose my rank, lose my rate. I could be dishonorably discharged, lose my signing bonus, lose my benefits. And it's not just that traumatization, but years later when I, you know, because of complications with PTSD and I tried to file a claim with a VA, they pulled a Donald Trump. They said, you don't have any reports, you didn't report it. And so therefore, it didn't happen. And eventually it went through, I got some help with retired Brigadier General Allison

Hickey who had seen me in a movie called The Invisible War. And she got me my exam and they eventually, at least, admitted what happened and I got my claim adjudicated. But not everybody gets to be in a movie, so there's thousands and thousands of other women. Exactly. But you spoke for so many in that movie. I was a riveting documentary and right as my son was considering becoming a Marine, which he now is, I made him sit down and watch that documentary with me after I saw it, to let him know a little bit of the culture

that he was entering into. And if anything else to be a watchman and the protector, but to know going in that this is what's happening, I mean, they don't tell kids signing up. They don't, nobody mentioned that to him when he was at the Marine Recruiting Station. Oh, by the way, the sexual assault cases and the armed forces are extraordinarily high, higher than the percentage anywhere.

No one tells anyone that. No one does the same way no one told all the truth about Trump that was so easy to find. They were easy to find in 2006 when I said them on the view and he went crazy. He went crazy because I dared to say the truth. I, a woman, a gay woman, a gay woman who doesn't ascribe to his ideals of what a woman should be, was daring to call him on his shit. Well, everything I said was true. He said he was going to sue me, but he didn't sue me because you can't sue someone for telling the truth. And then what he did was, right, and then what he did was abused and insult me.

Say I was fat, that I was gay, that I was a degenerate, that I was low class, that I was, he tried to change the narrative that America has of me in my life and career into something that fits his narrative, the way he does to everyone we see now, right, the way he does to call me and he does to to leaders of of of just in true to all of all people i mean he does it to everyone to lebron james he tries to change the public narrative and he has a bully pulpit and with the media before the state not doing their job of holding up their end of questioning and checking him he's run him up he's like like a little two-year-old having a tantrum. And as the mother of five, I find it very, very hard to watch. It's like he's

a baby having a tantrum, you know? And I too was sexually abused as a child. It was, you know, the abuser was the one who was supposed to take care of me. I was a child. He was the adult. And so, you know, then you have that situation and so many children who were abused, I think, are re-traumatized by Donald Trump being the president. Here's a guy who has pretty much admitted that he's a sexual abuser. And he's still walking around as if he's untouchable and self-heartedly has been, that there are that many women with that many complaints and the president of the United States of America. Yeah, and I have to tell you, I feel I feel really bad for all the veterans, not just

females, but males too, that have experienced sexual assault having to walk in the VA and his photo is right there really big at the entrance. And it's just it's it's awful. It's horrible. I agree with you. and it's awful, it's horrible. I agree with you. It's traumatizing is what it is. It retraumatized people.

If you come from a house where the father is abusive and is in control and is telling you that there's nothing you can do to get away from me. That's sort of what parents do when they have a sick kind of untreated mental health problem. And that's what happens. Where do you go when your a kid who needs a ride to the police station to tell on the person in the house who's abusing you?

It's, it's so complicated and, and he is so dumb. Like, he's one of the stupidest people you ever hear speak, you know? Like, I can't even comprehend the fact that he can put a sentence together. Like, there's a lot of rain in regards to the water. What? Like, you know, I mean, honestly, I have a five and a half year old and she speaks better than he does.

It's embarrassing. And I heard George Bush recently speaking and I was like, God, remember when I was saying to myself how dumb he is and how stupid that he sounded like a Nobel laureate. Compared to Trump, what were used to, you know, he actually conjugated verbs and had multiple syllables in some of them. Like, it was really shocking how low he's gone with this guy at the helm.

And I can't wait till the last indictment's come and that'll be his family. And then I think we're going to see sadly him throw his own kids under the bus and maybe then America will wake up. Yeah, and he already kind of did when he said that he dictated that Don Jr. response to the press on Air Force One. But yeah, you're right.

It's just, it's really weird when you're wistfully reminiscing about bush. Yeah, and you look at it and I looked at him and I actually had a moment of, oh, there he is. Like, we're gonna be up to, and I put him it and I looked at him and I actually had a moment of, oh, there he is. We're going to be up to, and I put him. He's the one who's providing me with solace now, but yes, he is. And this madness, this mayhem, this insanity, this is not America. And we are really on the precipice of disaster. November 6th, if we don't vote, we're going to lose it. And, uh, lose democracy, and that's going to be it.

And the world will be forever changed, you know. So I'm a little concerned that nothing has been done since 2016 when they obviously changed some votes in there as well. So I'm wondered if the cockiness and the optimism that all of these Republicans seem to feel in light of such damning evidence and polls that say there'll be a blue tsunami that they're still sort of walking around half-cocked. And what is that about? Because they know the fixes in, nothing's been done since 2016. Nothing's been done with evidence and all of these ballot polling places about the two extra votes per precinct. That's not that hard to do computer wise and uh...

i don't know i i did i just feel like the fix is in it hasn't been changed note nothing has been done like the day after he got elected he said well this is insane now let's get on russia russia is not going to ever put a president in or to decide who they want it let's put an investigation now we didn't do that because he knew he would be telling on himself uh... yeah and he couldn't wrote, also lose those fake votes.

Exactly. He would lose everything. And I'm hoping and everyone says, you know, you shouldn't say this. This isn't the party line. I'm like, I'm not really in a party, just a person trying to get through this insanity. And I think everything, if it's proven that Russia did help get him in, and he is an illegitimate president in every capacity, every single executive order and every single appointment he's made has to be reversed.

And everyone's like, well, that's impossible. You can't get Garland put on the Supreme Court. Well, no, maybe I can't get him put on or we can't, but maybe we can get Gorsuch removed. And we can hopefully Kavanaugh will not go through. That's what I'm spending my nights thinking. That goodness will prevail. And this man will not be put through a man who is not even on his list of potential supreme court nominees until the Mueller investigation.

That's exactly right. That's right. So, he's such a blatantly bad criminal. If this were a movie, you know, you would be like, oh, God, give me a break. All this evidence and the guy's still in there. This is the worst movie I've ever seen in my life. And until Mueller drops those last indictments,

we're all waiting on pins and needles. Yeah, it's like the world's dumbest criminals where they put the paper bag over their head, but forget to cut out eye holes and, you know, exactly. I'll shut all over the store. That's what it's like. Like the stupidest people running the country and they don't know how to get away with it. He can't even keep a shift together for one week. They told them, don't fuck this up. Okay, you've got like 20 women who were accusing you of doing this to them. Do not say anything about that woman.

Just keep your mouth shut and you couldn't even do it for a week. No, he has no self control. No self control. He's no discipline. Let me ask you about this. Recently, Senators Blumen Thal-Leyhe and Doug Jones, they wrote this letter to Don McGann, the White House Council, who's seemingly cooperating with prosecutors, 30 hours or something of testimony.

They asked him specifically if they, if he or they or the White House knew about these allegations before they became public and had that letter of 65 women all prepared, because they put that together in like 36 hours, presumably. And then also that in combination with Kavanaugh parading out this gaggle of 15-year-old girls that he coaches during his hearing, it just seems to me like they were expecting this to come out.

Does it seem to you like that? Yes, it does. Yeah, it seems like they knew it, they were prepared, but they were going anyway. And it's only one reason because this is the guy who's gonna let Trump get out of jail free for everything he did, and he's pretty much set so. And so that's the guy that Trump needs to be.

If he loses this, he knows he's going to jail he's doomed. He knows he's not going to get another one to a point before he gets you know before what 50 days away until we have the election and you know I think we're going to take the House, even though I'm a registered independent, I'm no longer a Democrat. I haven't been one since the Iraq War, but I think we, meaning the sound-minded people, will take back the House. And I, you know, I'm hopeful for the Senate, but I, you know, I'm sure I think about the House and that people are going to show up.

You have to believe in America and why and who and what we are and what we stood for for 200 years and not just focus myopically on this one of anomaly. This he is not the norm. He is not status quo. He is the cancer that he was talking about. He was cutting out the cancer of the FBI. Well, the cancer is him. It is him.

Yeah. And everyone around him and everyone that, you know, and there was a time mind you, you know, 16 or 18 months ago where I had mild compassion for the children because I thought imagine growing up under his tutelage, even though he supposedly was never there and it was the housekeepers and the other wives that took care of the children and he had very little to do with their upbringing, apparently. But imagine being raped by that man, the man who has the power to sort of corrupt and confuse and trick an entire audience, what kind of mental health state are his children to be raped by him, to see him sort of get away with such criminal, violent

acts, all like, you know, I don't know. It may must be tortured as well. Yeah. But I hope they work it out with the prison psychiatrist, so I'm not really. Oh, they're going to jail for sure. I know. I can't wait. Believe me.

I'm the biggest party. And here's another thing too. They're demanding that Kavanaugh, they've specifically asked for outside and outside lawyer, presumably a woman, to come in and question Dr. Blasey Ford. And that seems to me for two reasons. First of all, there's no women on the GOP side of the senate judiciary and and also I don't think any of them want to go up you know and grill a sexual assault survivor or attempted sexual assault survivor so close to an election the optics of that have to be horrible so they're they're chickening out and hiring a female yeah that's one thing and they don't want to pull the

tapes of hatching grassly attacking Anita Hill and Joe Biden himself wasn't exactly, you know, today he sort of said, oh, I knew in 91, I haven't learned now, I knew, well, you didn't act like, you know, nobody did. He would have had to be, you know, 20 years ahead of the, where the culture is, you know, I mean, it's interesting to see these people going down that you never thought would go down like Harvey Weinstein and Les Moonbes and these sort of titans of television which is my industry, right? Everybody has it in their own industry. See these people fall that you think you never really could. And yeah, we have it in comedy. Yeah, exactly. Now, it's so funny because I've been out of comedy stand up long enough to not know the

players in this. You know, people were asked, what do you think of Louis Seeker? I've never met him. You know, I don't know him. I didn't work clubs with him. But there was a stand up comic that I worked many clubs with named Vince Champ, who was in jail for serial rape. And the way they found it out was all his bookings co-incited with all where the college

rapes were. And so I was in a comedy condo with this guy many, many times, you know. The comedy store or condo? No, just around around the country when I did stand up all over the country. He was the middle act and I would be the opener. So we'd be in like, you know, just for laughs and Utah or something or the improv and, you know, in Arizona, someplace like that. But, um, yeah, that's really interesting what happened within the comedy world. And then I hear that Louis CK went and did stand up and just didn't mention anything. Yeah, he just came back like nothing happened. Yeah, like it was another Thursday.

And they're allowed to do that. Yeah. And that's what Trump's been allowed to get away with too. We're just not going to talk about the illegal, horrible corrupt things that I've done. And we're going to pretend like it didn't have fell on my marry away. And, you know, thankfully for the knee-toon, for the women who were brave enough to stand up and speak out, people are being held accountable at least minimally. And we have to start it minimally, because we we read zero for so long. Well, I really appreciate you coming on today and talking to me about this and thanks for sharing your stories. Everybody you can catch Rosie on the season two

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Alright, this week has been full up with news about the Kavanaugh's ebut. We cannot forget about co-incoroperating and Manafort is now also cooperating. So I'm sticking with my team this week. That's Kushner Kushner, Dad and Son, Stone, Junior and Ivanka. Julie, so who you got? I got a junior Kushner Cohen. I think you had Bettina last time. I did and then I had a rando. Yeah, there we go.

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Gmail's weird. Yeah, so check your junk. All right, it's time for sabotage. Big last minute news this week as we have just learned that KT McFarland, that Trump's former deputy national security adviser, number two to Michael Flynn, who is now serving well-was serving as the US ambassador to Singapore, has revised her statement to investigators saying that Flynn was talking about sanctions when he spoke to Kisleyac in December 2016 and did tell her about it.

This change came after Michael Flynn began cooperating. So basically in the summer of 2017, KT McFarland had denied ever talking to Flynn about any talks about sanctions during the transition. Didn't happen. Then Mueller brought her back after Flynn gave his proper and said, you wanna tell me again, if you discuss sanctions, you wanna tell me one more time?

You wanna be careful about your answer at this time? Bob Mueller, you wanna fuck and tell me again, if you discuss sanctions, you want to tell me one more time, you want to be careful about your answer this time? I'm Bob Mueller, you want to fucking tell me what happened? It must be so cool to be him. Oh, definitely. You care to revise your bullshit story? At which point, she walked back her previous lie. And it's a lie, I'm not mainstream media, I'm not gonna call it a misled or it's a lie.

Yeah, they give it such weird words. They're so afraid of the lie word. A falsehood. People familiar with the matter say that McFarland was able to convince the FBI that she had not intentionally Yeah, they gave it such weird words. They're so afraid of the why word. People familiar with the matter say that McFarland was able to convince the FBI that she had not intentionally misled them. But McFarland had said her memory was clear about the two never having discussed sanctions.

She gave very specific details when she lied to the FBI, very specific lies. The events, the event that mostly she lied about was the call Flynn made to Kisley, I'm telling him to stand down, not respond to US sanctions placed by Obama. specific lies. The events, the event that mostly she lied about was the call Flynn made to Kisley, I'm telling him to stand down and not respond to US sanctions placed by Obama. Like, don't worry, we got your back bro, don't respond. And then Russia didn't respond. And Trump was like, very smart, Putin, very smart for not responding. So like he didn't know. But in this testimony that we have, there's no

direct evidence that McFarland, even though she's walking back her story, informed Trump or anyone else. This is just kind of her walking back her lie. And her lie matched public statements from Sean Spicer who insisted Flynn and Kisley asked spoke before sanctions were put in place. So all that being said, you want to change your indictment? Nice. all that being said, you wanna change your indictment? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha I'm gonna throw her instead of my Rando. All right. That's a good one, yeah. I'm gonna keep her out. I think, I don't think she's a target. Really? Yeah.

What about a plea deal? Yeah, she could do a plea deal. Do you wanna do a plea deal? That's, I'm going for a plea deal, yeah. Okay, team McFarland plea deal. Yeah. All right, but yeah, that's your right. Because a Rando, Rando will be nice,

but like she seems like Lee, I think. Yeah, and she's five points, too. Yeah. So actually, yeah, no, she's a cabinet member. I think they get even more points. And she's scorned, yeah. Or not a cabinet member, she's deputy. I don't know, we'll figure it out.

I'll find out exactly what she's worth. Yeah, yeah. That sounds horrible. We're pricing humans. You know what the thing is, it makes me think about orange is a new black this season when they have the inmates on an inmate in diet, or not inmate in dietment leak. It's an inmate in a fantasy leak and they're just like making them fight each other and they're doing points for like murder and

things. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, I haven't seen the new season. Right. So I mean this is us just not betting but like these people okay. We got to do a mini soda and like the I guess the good nature of our fantasy league. Who's not doing anything to them? We're not, we're not making them make me commit these crimes. You know, this is just like an office pool. Yeah. People get hurt in the NFL all the time.

And these people are f'ing criminals and f'ing them in the A with a D. So that's what it all comes down to. This is all conspired to steal an election and f' up our lives. Right, right. I don't want them murdered or anything. I just want them to go to jail.

No, I don't wish physical harm on them. I just want them, I just want justice. The actual justice that comes with having found guilty and going to jail or serving your time or cooperating or how it works. Yeah, it happens to us. You know, we're not above the line. This is crazy. They should not be either.

All right, time for Q&A. No song. Oh, man. We have so many suggestions to you. People are like, hey, do this one do that one. Really? We made a pick one. Maybe it's sticking to it.

We can, you know what, if our fans are musicians, we can be like, make a song and we'll showcase it or something. That sounds like, yeah, maybe that's a good idea. Yes, something funky. I used to use mailbag day from Cartoon Planet, but mail is evolved. Alright at Big Politics, Nerd asked if Toad from Mario will sue for defamation. I don't think so.

He should, but not at this point, at ScavChoc, SKAV, CH, okay, wants to know if the Democrats have the authority to investigate Kavanaugh if they win either both Senate or House, and if the investigation concluded with, let's say lying under oath, can his appointment be recalled or can he be impeached what's the process for impeachment? Yes, it's been said by at least Sheldon White House, not the White House, but the Democratic Senator named White House. It'd be funny if you ran for president. It would be.

Mr. White House. In the White House, yeah. He has said, yeah, we're going to do that. We're going to get the gavils. They call that. We're getting the gavils, and we're going to investigate this. And here's the thing, if the investigation is concluded, first of all, it's hard for, it's harder for the bicameral house and senate to, they don't do criminal investigations,

they do investigations for public purposes, then they make criminal referrals to the Department of Justice. The Department of Justice is still being run by Trump and a Trump lackey, they could suppress those requests and not follow up on them. So there's that we have to worry about. And then yes, you can impeach a judge, but impeachment is hard. You need two-thirds of the Senate.

We aren't going to have anything close to that. And you can't just recall an appointment of a judge. You have to actually criminally investigate him. However, I do believe that the FBI and the DOJ, if it was found that there was enough evidence to do a criminal investigation into him, that they would do that. And he could step down, he could resign as justice. That's feasible. We got to keep the pressure on pretty much after the midterms, even if we flip it, which would be incredible. Not a guarantee.

And we can't let up. You're right. We have to keep doing it. And all this week, you guys have to keep calling Morkowski and Collins and Sass, and all the people that you would normally call to say, just vote no. We still have to try to get them to vote no.

Because McConnell has said, we're gonna pull out through this. We're gonna cram it through. He said that. Yeah. Now I have a question. Yeah. We could call to right like we're not in these states But like is that something that people do is they call from other states and I'm concerned American citizen And I think you okay, cuz I'm a lot of them. They I'm gonna do that. I have them. They don't take the messages or they don't listen

But it's worth a try right. Yeah, it's what jammed up their phones tweet out them everything sweet everybody please Yes, All right. Let's see. At LCP, Anna wants to know if she has her timeline correct. First of all, the GOP knew about Dr. Blasey Ford in July. Kavanaugh, Festup, Ed Wheeling hired a PR firm to discredit her after he snooped at her link in account. Then she contacted the FBI because she saw she'd been snooped.

Is that correct? So, let me talk to you about who Ed Wheeling is. He's this asshole who has been trying to set up this disinformation campaign, saying that it wasn't Kavanaugh. She was probably assaulted, but it is probably someone who looks just like him. Wow.

And she responded saying, nope, I know that guy. I know them both. It's neither, it's not him. It's definitely him. I knew them both. I socialized with them both him. It's definitely him. I knew them both I socialize with them both. I would not mix them up, but thanks for that Shit, yeah, and and then he immediately Apologized and walked back at wheel and did he walked us all back because he named the other guy in a in a Twitter thread

Yeah, so he's got mud all over his face now You know most assaults happen with someone you know to like the victim, of course, yeah, yeah. But so he hired a PR firm back in July, this is the theory, because they had the documents in July, they knew about it in July. That's why senators Blooming Thawlay, he and Doug Jones wrote a letter saying, when did you know about this McGann and when did you start preparing that letter of 65 people? And me asking, why did you parade a bunch of 15 year old girls around into your hearing? Yeah. If that was weird before we knew what happened.

It was. And we brought that up too. Like what? That's the weirdest, creepiest thing to parade a bunch of little girls out and for your hearing. And so then he hired this PR firm to discredit her back in July. And he went in and looked at her LinkedIn account

and because she has the kind of LinkedIn subscription, she's really into it, I guess, that notifies you when people look at your account. Interesting, yeah. And it said he went in before she went public with this information. So they knew ahead of time. They were super interesting. I'm really interested to see how I'm again. Oh, totally.

A response to that. Who did you know? What did you know? When did you know, what did you know, when did you know it? Because if this has been a setup and a discreditation effort since July, that's interesting. That is very interesting. And are there any other allegations he has to worry about? That's also interesting.

Yeah, I don't want to see this investigation just go away. It seems like there's a lot going on. At nuance, Unites asked, how do we open a dialogue on issues like sexual assault when we as men do not necessarily know what women have experienced but are trying to be part of the solution? I often see them met with quote, you can't understand or lumped in as part of the problem.

How do you start a dialogue? I think you just did. Yeah, damn. Nailed it. I think if you want to, I think probably at least for me, and I can only speak for me, a good way to look at this is kind of a common thing that happens when couples argue is when I want to tell you about something and you want to try to fix it and tell me what I could have done better, should have done better, or how to fix it. Let

me do this, let me do that. When all we really want you to do is listen. Yeah, at least at first listen, and I get the intentions and want to have a solution. Some people are like, well, what do you want from this? Well, here's the solution. Don't tell us what the solution is. The solution is, go police, you're fucking fellow dudes. Yes, exactly.

It usually comes down to that. They're like, what do you want me to do? Well, I want, you can't change what has happened to people, but we can say don't do it anymore. And also, you yourself don't do it. If you're not a part of the problem, keep not being a part of the problem. There you go. There you go.

Call out other people that call it out. Call it out. Yeah. Call it out when you see it. Put the blame on the assultors. And of course, this doesn't just apply to women that are victims, men are victims too. Absolutely. But for the most part, for the most part, 10 times more women experience assault.

Totally. And so if you're a man, I would just recommend listening, saying that sucks, lending emotional support, and then not trying to have a solution for the woman but go out and solve it for the dudes that are doing it. Do you know what I mean? Absolutely. Because when you try to tell a woman what the solution is,

you're trying to tell the victim what to do. Non-victim's point. We shouldn't have to do anything differently to not be raped. It should go or it tried or attempted or whatever. It should go on the assalter. It should go on the perpetrator. So it's not going to be my recommendation. But you did a good job opening up the dialogue right there. I think that that tweak got a lot of really positive responses from women saying thank you for asking. No one's ever asked us before.

They just kind of inserted themselves, no pun intended, and tried to say what they think the solution is. Right. That's probably not the best way to go about it. At Loub the Truth says, given what we know about Dana Rober. Oh, sorry. That's right. A lot of people mispronounce it, but it sounds just the way it spelled HF, U-H-R, U-H-U-R-R.

Ha ha. I love that movie. Given what we know about Rohra Bacher, I don't know much about his opponent, Harley Ruta, Rouda. It would be interesting to hear a summary. Honestly, all you need to know about him is that he's running against Rohra Bacher. That's it.

Yeah, that's the whole platform right there. But for reals. For reals. I know Democrats are like, we have to run for something, not against something. I think that's bullshit. Run against these assholes. But for reals, he's a lot like Beto, okay? He wants universal pre-K.

Gun reform specifically to ban the boyfriend loophole, preventing abusers from being able to buy guns and to ban assault style weapons and high capacity magazines. Yeah. He's for Medicare for all. He wants to get money out of politics and he's super pro environment. So. I don't like, I'm starting to kind of get into the whole, we should stop trying to be so nice,

because I feel like even as an individual, I have this problem. It's like you can have good intentions and the whole idea is that I'm referring to, you just mentioned we can't just be against something, we have to be for something. I think you can be both, and you're on the right side of things, right?

And Matt, you can be against Nazis. Yeah, and that's being like four. I figure the great things. The people trying to run against the Nazis weren't like, we can't just be against the Nazis. We gotta be for something, you guys. Exactly. It's to that level.

We're on step seven of the 10 steps to an autocracy. We're playing Nice Hasgata with Nazis. Right. Let's take a stance. And Maddo said, I think one of her quotes this week, and this is just off the top of my head, so forgive me.

I know you listen Rachel, so forgive me if I'm wrong, but you were like, oh, and now actually the quote has completely left my mind. What were we just talking about? Nazis. Nazis and running for and again, something. Oh, she goes, well, where do we draw the line between taking the high road and being a Patsy,

being a dormant. An enabler. You know, not an enabler. Not even high road and being a patsy, being a dormant. Exactly. An enabler. Not an enabler. I wouldn't go enabler. Just a dormant. Yeah, yeah, we're for it. I feel like at this point, they say it's socialism.

They're making it seem like that's so far left, but what if it's just that? That's where we are, with a lot of issues, liberally, and we're trying to get the politicians to move a little bit. Yeah, and we're pretty good at doing that, pushing people to the left. But also, lesson one is socialism does not mean no capitalism. Exactly. And so stop that. I've seen serious questions, like serious guys, no homo.

I don't know why they say that. Why would you want socialism and not capitalism? I'm like, it's not- Mutually exclusive. One or the other. It's not mutually exclusive. Democratic socialists want capitalism. I love, I like the idea of being able to make money.

I just don't like the money in politics and things like that. We don't want the kind of socialism that's happening in Venezuela or Cuba or- Exactly. You know, we don't, that's not what we're talking about. That's not valid. Right. We're talking about not giving tax breaks to individual rich dudes and putting that back in the system so that we can all have programs like Social Security, which we've had forever

by the way. Yeah, healthcare for all. These are the things that are, it seems like they, Medicare. Yeah. Collegiate education for everyone. Yeah, this is crazy that this become issues that make you seem like you're a terrorist to some people. I hear people say, oh, you're a common man.

I'm like, oh man, I don't want to take the common man's money. I want to give tax breaks to the common man. I want to tax the wealthy because they're sitting on zillions of effing dollars and use that for the betterment of the country. Absolutely. We get a whole other show about that. Yeah, that's true. At Good Little Tiger wants to know what we think happened

in May 2017 when Snoop Dag Rosenstein wrote the letter regarding Comey. She thinks, I don't know if Good Little Tiger how they identify, they think he was duped by Trumpi in some way and was caught out. They do not believe he knew that Comey, the Comey memo would be used to fire him. I agree, 100%.

I think he wrote the memo because that's how he felt about what happened with the Komi and how Komi handled the Hillary email investigation by coming out and reopening it and enclosing it and not coordinating with the Attorney General, Deputy Attorney General, at the time, acting kind of rogue, being a tall, roggy guy. So Rosenstein wrote that memo and he was not, he completely caught on a wears that Trump was going to use it as a reason to fire Comey. Right. And then he blew his whole effing cover by going on lester Holt and saying, Russia was on my mind.

Yeah, he is at Nasha's 12 wants to know if Comey was a better kisser than my husband. He was tall. She has Trump that infamous picture of them. They're like, they were kisses. Basically, what's happening is I had to dream. That's right. Yeah, it's not about that.

And he was wearing a plaid blazer and those giant shoes that he has has nice. I love how realistic those make out dreams can be. They can. They're a great, cool reality man. I love it. It's weird. There's two real super realistic things are when they're make out dreams or when you somehow are bleeding.

Oh, that's the downside. And you can actually taste the blood in your mouth. Oh, no. That's super realistic for me. I haven't had that dream. Uber realistic. Let's see. At.

Welcome to the party pal. That's WLC M the number two THEP RTY PAL also known as Jam Master Ray wants to know Snoop Dogg will have his job this time next week or will we all be Calling in sick to March. Oh, I don't know This is a pretty good reason for Trump to fire Rosenstein I feel like if he's gonna do it it would have happened This is a pretty good reason for Trump to fire Rosenstein. I feel like if he's gonna do it, it would have happened, but his advisors are holding him down saying,

no, no, no, I'm sure there's not one person, except for Hannity probably, that's trying to tell him to do that. It'd be the worst time. I mean, it could be conspiracy to obstruct justice, by the way, if that does happen. All those swing elections, I think, would go so blue if Trump did that.

Yeah, that's good. So many, I think. Yeah, because independent. We all kind of realize that the firing Rosenstein is the same as firing Mueller. Exactly. At Surrell Woods, Ashtif Cohen was testifying before a federal grand jury Friday or if that was something else. That was Corsi. That's who I was mentioning. One of the Roger Stonehenge gang. He was testifying this Friday. We haven't heard any news about what he testified about, but his testimony is done. Alt White House kitchen asked mashed potatoes or baked. Depends on the dish. If I'm having steak, I gotta go baked.

Yeah, if I'm going with chicken, though, like barbecue chicken mashed. Yeah, or meatloaf mashed. For sure, baked potato meatloaf is just not right. True, true. So it really depends on the main on tray. If you're vegetarian, then you just pick the potato that you like.

Then put some vegetables near it. What about baked beans? They're mashed beans. Refried beans. Mashed beans. Scrooge. Beans baked or mashed? Beans. beans baked or mashed beans and finally at Catherine's sorry Catherine

Stevie on Twitter asked what is the best antidote you have found to the crushing despair that is the news in the age of Trump. Oh okay I would say this podcast. Oh very cute and conceited. I agree. That's my second choice. This podcast has been my personal and I'm sure, you know, all of ours to some degree. Like inspiration for like keeping up, like it's overwhelming,

but like not keeping up the antidote for the crushing despair. Right. Yeah. So that too. Yeah. It makes me just feel like I'm doing something that is productive and it's like I'm trying to be active and you know, a person that's aware of what's going on and trying to think of how to

help it. But I would say also the movie Fahrenheit 119, I really feel like he should pay us for all this. I think that might also bring you crushing despair. It's my antidote. That's the question, right? What's the solution, what makes us feel better about the question? What makes you happy in the sad times? These things about people creating content that will not just document what's happening, because we're watching these things kind of fall apart in real time.

Okay, so kind of the resistance. The resistance, yeah, that's there you go, the whole resistance, but I didn't want to be too meta, so I'm specifically the media, like people that independent producers, independent journalists, independent like all kinds of, like people that are engaging on Twitter and ways. I guess that's the resistance. Yeah, the whole thing. Yeah.

And when I say the podcast, I mean laughter. Oh, yeah. I mean, you know, not me making the podcast. Right, right. But people who listen to it. And maybe instead of having a being really depressed about it, you go and make a fan joke die-mix or you laugh at jokes about it or you laugh at the fact that we call them Snoop Dogg or...

Absolutely. Or the Wes of Wall of Twos. I love the comedy. It's the best part. I also love the fact that even when the joke stopped, it's real. When I left the theater, I was just like, that wasn't just a movie that I escaped from

because life was crazy. That was a movie about how life is crazy. It's still crazy. I'm trying. I'm trying to make it less crazy. That feels good. Everybody that's engaging, everybody has resisting. They're all trying to make it a little less crazy. I, well, that feels good. Everybody that's engaging, everybody has resisting. They're all trying to make it a little less crazy.

And I think that's awesome. Yeah, I think that when we were at Dan Fyfe from Pod Save America on the show, and he talked about that wave of youth that's gonna wash this country. Oh absolutely. Absolutely. The parkland kids, they're in everyone.

I mean, all those youth kids, but they're in the movie too. And it's just like, he really breaks. Michael Moore breaks it down. I wish we could have him on the pod. We can try to reach out to him. Amazing. Yeah. He's just got anybody know Michael more.

Let us know. Let us know. Please tweet him guys. If you guys could do anything for like a, a tweet storm, that's, that's the, yeah, if you have his publicist to contact information, email it to us at hello. And we'll see if we can reach out to him. But yeah, I definitely think that the, hmm, the camaraderie of the resistance. It's amazing, especially women. definitely think that the camaraderie of the resistance.

It's amazing. Especially women, and that's not saying that I don't welcome our male allies. No, no, no, they do. I think they get it. I think they know that men are a given. There are. There are super amazing dudes out there. They're a great men, yeah.

They're doing really hard work, so. Yeah, I think women and just like, there's, we're fighting for a reason. We're not fighting for nothing, you know, like they get it, guys get it. Some guys. Most guys, most guys, they go with that I come across. Exactly, most guys I know. Yeah. Anyway, thank you guys for supporting us. We appreciate it. I've been AG. I've been Julie St Johnson. And this is Mollarshi Road. Molyse She wrote is produced and engineered by AG with editing and logo designed by Jelisa Johnson, market consulting by Amanda Rita at Unicorn Creative. Our digital media director and subscriber managers are Jordan Coburn and Sarah Hirschberger

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