Jack - Much Collusion. Very Obstruction. (feat. Elizabeth McLaughlin & Jack Bryan)

Episode Date: April 22, 2019

S3E16 - Joining us this week is Elizabeth McLaughlin (Resistance Live!) and Jack Bryan (Active Measures)! Plus, Jordan updates us on Alexander Downer, Jaleesa has a story on a Russian-backed aluminum mill in Kentucky, and AG breaks down the redacted Mueller report. Enjoy!  

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Hello, and welcome to Muller She Road. I'm your host, A.G. and with me, as always, is Jolissa Johnson. Hello. And Jordan Coburn. Hello. We are recording in studio here in L.A. at Starburns. It's been an amazing week, you guys. A month ago, we scheduled a live show at Largo, and it just so happened to be

the day that the Redacted Mueller report dropped. But, you know, we are a deep state and we were able to coordinate that, so the Department of Justice was on our side. But we had an amazing time at Largo, and we really want to thank everybody for that. We'll have some clips from that show in lieu of the interview today later in this show, so stick around for that. And this week we were on the happy hour podcast with Steph Miller So that was a really good time. She's amazing. So funny holy shit. She's pretty awesome And we didn't appearance on KPCC and the LAS up here and you know

We love public radio we support public radio I was on Yahoo news right after the bullshit bar presser. Yeah, great interview by the way. It was great. I love how we didn't know that you were getting interviewed by more than one person. So it was like one guy that we're getting and then like another person pops up on screen all the entirely different backgrounds. Yeah, what is happening? Yeah, it was funny. But watching that press conference got up at like six in the morning to get ready for it. What was up with Rosenstein's face during that breast?

God yeah, he was like a robot. For sure. It was so weird. I think he was just trying to poke her face. The whole thing. You know, he, you know, he looks like he looks like that creepy boy. Wooden toy doll that's just sitting there. Haunted.

Definitely. You know, yeah, like a movie about that or something. The robot that wants to kill humans to like I thought about that. I think this one is wooden. It's a little manual demon. Yeah. Oh, so not Chuckie Right, someone made a meme where it's like when the edibles kick in or yeah when it's Thursday, but you think it's Friday like Yeah, yeah, but it's more Wednesday and Thursday and not Thursday or Friday. True. True

And also lots of folks have been asking who the beardy guy was stage right During the press conference and we've talked about that guy like in five different episodes. Here's one from May 2018 in the episode called Paul Manafort's Future. Let's listen to that clip. Rod Rosenstein appointed an assistant on the Russia probe named O'Callaan, which just reminds me of like Dennis Leary's Irish drinking songs.

His title is the Acting Principal Associate Deputy Attorney General. Okay. Principal Associate Deputy Attorney General. That's like the assistant number two president under secretary to the assistant of the special assistant. Second twice for the assistant. Deputy of the guy. And I'm like, wow. So it's, yeah, principal associate, Deputy Attorney General,

PAD, A-D-A-G, paydag, or padag, they call him the padag. He's basically the Deputy Attorney General's right hand. And he replaces a guy named Robert Herr. Herr, that is Herr. Who was moved over to be the US Attorney of Maryland. So that happened. I'm not really, I don't really know how much that Attorney of Maryland. So that happened. I don't really know how much that makes a difference, but it happens, so I want to tell you.

So that's who that was. That's the paydag. And it's very telling also that Mueller wasn't there, because always, usually when you have these kind of AG press conferences, they have the prosecutors there, and they all get up and sort of say the same thing over and over again and support each other. But I wonder if he was asked and maybe refused to participate in the bullshit.

And maybe that's why Rosenstein was just sitting over there like, this is terrible. Satan is good. Yeah, except Satan is good, exactly. Because he had a little smirk on his face. It seemed kind of. That's true. At a certain point, yeah, he laughed at one of the questions from a reporter, actually. Yeah. But yeah, he did fix his glasses and twitches nose kind of like a

high sign. But yeah, no, Mueller wasn't there, not this time. So just thought that was a really odd press conference. But today we're here recording at Starburn Studio, working on the daily beans with some of the best writers in the business. We have no idea if we've won the webby, but voting is closed. And thank you also much for your support. They'll announce the winners Tuesday. Yeah. Two days from the release of this episode.

That makes sense. Yeah, thank you guys so much. So we have a great show lined up for you. Alexander Downer is back in the news and Jordan is going to cover that for us. Jalisa, you have a story about some squid pro-crow involving a Russian aluminum company. We are, of course, going to hit the hot notes of the Mueller report. And in lieu of an interview, as I said earlier, we're gonna play some of the clips from our live show

with Elizabeth McLaughlin and Jack Bryan that we did at Largo. Yeah, so fun. Yeah, what a great couple of guests, and just what a great crowd. We also wanna tell you, we're gonna do a full annotated review of the Mueller report in a series that will be released widely. Patrons will get those episodes

ad-free and early, so become a patron at patreon.com slash Mueller, she wrote. When you sign up to become a patron, you are automatically also going to be a patron of the daily beans. And that's our new daily news podcast coming out soon. But before we get into this week's news, let's take a look at corrections. It's time to start. It's time for me to say I'm sorry. Uh, Valleja. Shut the fuck up! Okay, so in a daily update this week, I had said that in-camera meant in the courthouse

because it comes from the Latin word for roof or house, but it actually means in chambers alone, which is where all justice porn should be viewed. Yeah, it sounds like some dominatrix diversity. And we'll get into why I was talking about that a little bit later in the show in just the facts. There's a whole story that goes with it, and it's a pretty cool story. Then we want to be clear, we love USC, guys.

Go Trojans. In a daily episode, we were discussing the Auntcky College bribery case and I had said $500,000, like $500,000 for USC. Now of course it's an amazing school. We just didn't think it was worth $500,000. Oh it's definitely not worth $500,000. But if you see in that kid's Instagram you could see why it costs so much. She's like an Instagram influencer, right? That's her true calling. Yeah, whatever. Why even forced her to go to college? Yeah. Really keep your Instagram job. Mm-hmm. Maybe they ask you to provide a certain percentage of your net worth. And that's what $500,000 was. Yeah, maybe. But then wouldn't you be like, do you really 500,000? Like, have you heard your daughter speak?

Don't quit your Instagram job. Yeah, don't quit your Instagram job. Did you see? I'm so sorry, did you see that video of that person who's a YouTube influencer and her account got deleted or something, and so she filmed herself crying. And she's like, I'm not meant for a nine to five job. I'm a fucking genius. I'm a bad hit home, though, that dad's a resident. Yeah, that's suck.

Yeah, I'm a cryer. All right, tiny violence. We also did a story recently about an Asian-American gala at the Trump inaugural, Tide de Cindy Yang, of course, that raised a ton of money that just disappeared. And one of the major donors was the Sipan Casino. And I had pronounced it Sipan, and someone wanted to let me know it's Sipan. So it's leviosaugh. And calm down everybody. But thank you, now I know. And when we were discussing Biden's touchy feeling-ness,

we couldn't remember if Biden had voted for Clarence Thomas or not. He actually did not vote for him for his confirmation. But I think the focus of that conversation specifically wasn't so much his actual vote, but his regretful statements during the Anita Hill hearings. Right. Do you remember what he said?

Just a whole bunch of hoopla. Like, look, sometimes you get close, you know? Oh my goodness. Yeah, I didn't even put it all together. And sometimes you sniff people's hair. Sometimes you put pubic hairs on their Coke. It's just fine. I don't remember exactly what he said. Oh my god. I was gonna say he did that. Oh, we can read you it during a different episode, but I just wanted to kind of make clear that I wasn't. I weren't speaking about his confirmation vote more of just his city state. Yeah, we can do a bad lip reading for that sometime. That'd be great. Yeah. And then the computer besides

Alpha Bank that was pinging Trump Tower in early 2015 wasn't a pharmaceutical company associated with Betsy DeVos. It was spectrum health, which is a large healthcare network in Grand Rapids, Michigan, that received huge donations from the DeVos family. And it turns out Betsy DeVos, who's, you know, Eric Princess sister, of course, and our feckless education secretary, is married, and her husband is the chairman of the board of Spectrum Health. So, they're donors, chairman of the board, and that was another server that was pinging

Trump Tower along with Althabank in early 2015, weird. And finally, during a daily update for patrons, we were discussing how Buttigieg doesn't have a podcast yet. And Julie, so you mentioned Hillary Clinton could have used a podcast during that 2016 campaign. And as it turns out, she had one. Yeah, I guess it just wasn't popular enough. Maybe podcasts are just harder for people to get into at the time. It was called with her. Somebody sent that to us. We had asked people at Largo, have you heard of this podcast? And I was like, no, no.

Yeah, it was a first for me too. But I'm glad she tried. She had the right idea, you know? Yeah, so I didn't feel crazy for not. I was with you. I didn't think there was a way. Yes, the most under-listened to podcast to date from a presidential campaign.

Yeah, man. It's about. I guess I've not been to things since recently though. True, yeah. Trump really dominated the podcast industry. Yeah, right. You got to be crazy. Yeah.

All right, guys, those are corrections from this week. Not too shabby. Yeah. Mostly just pronunciations and didn't know that Hillary had a podcast. That's cool. And, you know, USC doesn't suck. But we have a lot of news to get to, so let's jump in with just the facts. All right, guys, let's start with Bill Barr.

When we learned earlier in the week from amazing reporting from Ryan Goodman at JustSecurity.org, that back in 1989, Bill Barr was at the Office of Legal Counsel at Main Justice, and he wrote a memo that basically gave Bush the green light to abduct foreigners on foreign soil without talking to the foreigners first. The food like the foreign government. Right. And this was basically to pave the way for allowing us to abduct Manuel Noriega, because Bush at the time was publicly supporting a coup against him and it wasn't really working out too well. So it seems like they were trying to do a backdoor, you know, kind of a ghoulin turkey flin situation where they were gonna fly

him out in the night and not have to get permission from Panama to do that. Yeah. Let's go in a fishing trip. Never comes back. Gone fishing. Nice. For Noriega. So Barr wrote this memo and Congress asked to see it because it was submitted in secrecy and Barr refused. He said he would be happy though to summarize the principal conclusion. Of course. And those are the exact words he used last month when he said he would summarize the principle conclusions of the Mueller report. Yeah, asked no one. Eventually, Congress subpoenaed Barr's office legal counsel opinion and found that his summary totally emitted the most consequential and syndiary and in syndiary conclusions. He just left him out and there was no justifiable reason for withholding him from Congress

and the public. So here we are again and Barr has totally whitewash the Mueller report on multiple occasions to spend the findings in favor of the president. He's taken a giant shit on the independence of the Justice Department and now he's blatantly and obviously obstructing justice at least in my eyes. At least he's consistent. Yep, there you go, consistency matters. Yeah, and he also inserted things that were not true

into that summary report, like the No More Enditments thing. No, we're in the report, right? Does Mueller explicitly say No More Enditments are coming? It actually indicates that there are. And we did have one. We had Greg Craig and Dited after the Mueller investigation was over, which was part of the Mueller investigation as listed as one of the indictable offenses in the Mueller report,

which barred didn't redact. And I have some theories on why he didn't redact as much as we thought he was going to. I'm curious about that. We'll talk about that in a little bit. But you know, honestly, Congress said, subpoena, all the communications about the release of the Mueller report and the drafting of bars bullshit conclusions. And I think they should impeach him. I don't think that this is proper behavior at all. Right. He's obstructing obstructions. Yeah, even after not successful, you still think it's worth it because it is risky. We've talked about the risk, but you feel like

it's just warranted. It's like we're tied. I don't see the risk in trying to impeach the attorney general. Oh, I'm sorry. I was thinking Trump, my bad. Yeah, I know. I'm thinking Bart. Oh, yeah, I forget you can impeach them too. It's a process the same or less. I'd have to look it up.

I assume so. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, definitely he's done things. I would warrant that, but it's interesting to think about because what role would the attorney general play in an impeachment proceeding of the president? Do they play any sort of role? And the court, there's no like oversight that the DOJ has over that or anything. It's

like strictly congressional power. Right, because Department Justice is executive branch and impeachment is a political proceeding within the Congress. Cool. So it'll be different. So he would have it. And there's nothing. So there's like nothing that the AG could do to stop that if Congress pushes it through. Unless he's got some weird illegal tricks. Yeah. But what about all the subpoenas and hearing and stuff? He's in charge of that though, right?

Like he's in charge of like all the things that they're subpoenaing and can we get people to testify about? Well, he's not so much in charge of it, but he's the one who responds to the subpoenas to the Department of Justice. If they go to the Department of Justice, like if they subpoena bar, that's kind of his dislike, kind of what's happening right now with the with the tax returns. That's the IRS, which is under the Department of Treasury. A Department of Treasury is blocking that based on letters that Trump lawyers have sent

to Steve Manuchin. So yeah, they can block it, whether it's legal or not. Another thing that you can do is when attorney General Barr is no longer an Attorney General, but he's a private citizen. And I don't think there are any rules against inditing an Attorney General, though, but he could be indicted for obstruction of justice, either while he's serving his term or afterwards. Wow. I don't know if it's easier one or the other, but Nixon's Attorney General went to prison.

Yeah. Barr needs to go. Oh, yeah. I think they should immediately start an investigation into obstruction of justice bar behind bars. We got to start this hashtag. But they'd have to prove that he himself did something outside of just the spinning elements

that he's been doing, you know. Well, to prove now that we have seen the full Mueller report, we know that in order to prove obstruction of justice, you need three elements, right? You need the nexus of a judicial proceeding. You need, or I'll nexus of a judicial proceeding. You need, or I'll nexus of something. Yeah. That's how it's right. I remember, yeah. I'm convinced.

You need an act like, for example, spinning, lying to public, fucking up that memo. Adding shit, that was a thing. Omitting things, adding things. And that's an act to obstruct justice. Sitting on the report for three weeks, four weeks almost could be an obstructive act, not releasing the full report to Congress, maybe could be considered an obstructive, so you're getting an act of obstruction. Yeah, that sounds the most to me, not releasing it to Congress. Yeah, but see that the thing is, is that obstruction of justice is your obstruction of justice

in an investigation, and the Mueller investigation is purportedly over. So can you obstruct justice retroactively? But I mean, is he obstructing the Mueller investigation by, you know, lying about its conclusions? And then because a lot of the stuff that's in the obstruction cases within the Mueller report are lying to the public about these obstructive behaviors. And then of course intent, and that's why they're probably subpoenaing all communications. Now, they're wants to see all communications about the release of the Mueller report or

the non-release of the Mueller report, what Mueller had to do with it, how you guys decided you'd roll it out, we need to see that documentation, because then you might be able to prove intent. Right. I think you could to prove intent. Right. I think you could maybe prove intent to obstruct the House investigations if that's a possibility. Yeah. That's, yeah, that's a distinct possibility because in the Moller report, he says that the Congress now has the ability to criminally investigate these matters and that makes it

an investigation and maybe Moller put that in there for that exact reason so that it wouldn't be obstructed on its way there. That would be fucking genius. Hell yeah. Beans. I'm putting beans on that. Nice. I want to get a big chain that says beans.

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You and two decades, that's great. I don't know what that is. It's been a long week. Yeah, very. And then I also wanted to talk about you guys. Barr's obvious conflicts of interest. He shouldn't have ever taken an oversight role of the Mueller investigation in the first place because it's so obvious He he Okay, first of all he has upwards of $250,000 in assets with Deutsche Bank. There's one

He's worked with vector group headed by Howard Lorberg who's one of the three blocked calls Don Jr Received after the 2016 Trump Tower meeting, and he's traveled to Russia with Trump to help him build a Trump Tower Moscow. He's a real estate guy. That's Lorber. He's also worked with the Zift Brothers, who were the guys associated with the quote-unquote dirt on Hillary Clinton that Vesselnitzkaya promised Don Jr. to which Don replied, if it's what you say I love it. And finally, he worked at the law firm that represented Alpha Bank alongside Brian Benchkowski. And you know Alpha Bank is the server that was pinging the Trump Tower server in early 2015 for unknown reasons.

And one of the heads of Alpha Bank is Jerman Khan. He's the father-in-law of Anders Wann. And all four of those things were investigated by Muller, and Bars shouldn't be allowed near his investigation. Right, it's like a conflict of interest bingo. Like he just hits all of the marks. It is. And maybe that could be brought into the impeachment hearings or a criminal obstruction case. But he shouldn't be allowed near it, let alone be allowed to spin it, withhold the summaries that were written for the public.

We still haven't seen those. I mean, it was obvious that aside from shoving it in a drawer for two weeks, showing it to Trump so that he could develop a misinformation campaign about it, redacting nearly one eighth of it, then lying about what's in it at a press conference before the rest of it gets to read it. Aside from all that, I mean, he didn't release the summaries. He's releasing a very robust, and I'm really glad Mueller wrote the report the way that he wrote it, but it is a very legal document.

It's a legal work product, and I don't think Americans are just gonna be gung ho about reading a 448 page report. Right, why not release the summary? Is what do you think he had to gain from that? Because it's like, it's understanding what happened. Oh, he doesn't want the American people

to know what's in that fucking report. He's insane. So he released the full long version. He knows that most people won't read it. With all the summaries, spun it so that people who are too lazy to read the report just listen to whatever he says. Yep. And it's true.

A lot of people only tune into the major announcements from people like they turn in general. So I think it's the truth. Yeah, and he had devised that I'm sure with Trump's counsel both in the White House and personal Yeah, they know what they're doing. Yeah, Reuters put out a story today that they spent a good Giuliani and Seculos spent a good six hours Before the report came out taking notes in a skiff reading the full report taking notes Giuliani said he took over 30 pages of notes. Wow About the report. I'll went back to Trump and don't like it come up with those Trump's tweets.

Yeah, that's so far. That's the only official reaction. Yeah, like you worked really hard on your, this report is bullshit tweet. Like that's what you came up with. And then your Game of Thrones game over, uh, reference, yeah, that little name. Yeah. Where are their responses? Am I just not watching Fox News or are they coming out and giving official statements yet?

They're tweeting. I haven't seen anything other than tweets. Yep, that's the official response. You know, it's also amazing too. When the four-page bar report came out, they came on to CNN and MSNBC and things like that. There was Giuliani there taking their victory lap. That's right. And now this has happened and they're nowhere to be seen. They're in good point programs because it's not good for them. Correct. And right after the full report dropped and at first Trump is like maybe I'll do press conference You never know That he was seeing later after the report dropped going to Mar-a-Lago just Beeline across the fucking White House lawn under the helicopter like nothing to say damn don't even look at the cameras keep walking

Finally I've been longing to see him just fucking walk somewhere. And just shut the fuck up. Just shut the fuck up. Just walk. Just walk, too. Let's get for this whole. Yeah. Yeah. And Renato Marriotti did a great summary for Politico about how Barr has tried to hide the

obstruction of justice case against Trump, saying for a month now, Barr has led us to believe that there wasn't enough evidence to show obstruction. When in fact, the report shows clear evidence of obstruction laid out by a prosecutor who knew he wasn't allowed to bring charges. Right. It's obvious. We'll add her all there. Add her all 45.

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Passion pinning, you gotta get this. Very sweet. Cool. Cool. And also, the New York Times dropped a bomb this week, reporting that the Department of Justice and the White House were having robust discussions about contents of the Mueller report for at least a week.

And we were sort of talking about this with the news that just dropped in Reuters about Secular and Giuliani. But this reporting in the New York Times answered our question from a daily update. We had this week about how Giuliani and Trump could possibly be preparing a rebuttal report when we were told they hadn't seen the report. And Barr was asked about it by Congress. And Barr said he never showed it to them. That could have been afterwards. They're like maybe at that point he hadn't showed it to me. And he also said during that testimony, he would not discuss the report until the public had it, but then held that propaganda press conference that Dems in Congress told him to cancel.

They wrote a letter saying, cancel this bullshit because of its inappropriateness. Interpropro. Interpropro. Further, I like that. Further, in the days leading up to the release of the report, we heard tell that some current and former White House staff were worried about being identified as sources because Trump might retaliate against them. Well, boo, fucking, yeah. I'm like to say, nobody forced you to work for the shit monster.

So true. You made your bad line at it. And they were right, though, just after the report dropped, Don McGann, who was mentioned over 500 times by name in the Mueller report, suffered the wrath of Trump because Trump fired his law firm from his 2020 re-election campaign. Damn. Frankly, I'm surprised he hired him in the first place, because McCann spent 30 hours talking to Mueller.

Maybe he was like, he's on my side, loyalty test. Yeah, it's fun to go back now, knowing all these people who show up in a Mueller report so much and knowing who sources probably were for books like Russian Roulette. And what was the other one that we read? That's fear. Yes, thank you, fear. Yeah, exactly.

I know Rob Porter was a big contributor to a lot of those things in John Kelly as well. Yeah, yeah This has been in my head for like 60 seconds now. I feel like when you said you made your bed I just want to say you made your bed P in it But the moments pass I feel like it's just been stuck in my head. No, that's good I had to get it out. We just insert it and just Just make it make it all better. You made your bed pay a prostitute to urinate on it. Yes And then also, let's see, after the bar pressed propaganda, disinfermazia conference during which he offered

a less redacted version to Congress. Jerry Nadler came out and said, fuck no, dude, because had Congress accepted that offer, they would have had to have read the information in a skiff. They wouldn't be allowed to take copies out, they wouldn't be allowed to take notes, and they wouldn't be allowed to discuss it with one another. Yeah, and the whole point is we do not trust what you redacted or how you choose what you redact. So giving us anything that's redacted it all defeats the purpose of even asking for it. Exactly.

So along Giuliani and Seculo to see the fully unredacted report and take notes and discuss it. But Congress? No. It's weird, scatter, no. Sketch, you're not. Sketch. Then we found out about a new aluminum plant in the United States. This is, we're shifting gears now.

We're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, I'm done with bar, fuck, bar. We have new aluminum plant. Yay. In the United States. Woohoo. Curdacy of Russia. And Jalice is going to go over that in hot notes. Oh yeah.

We also gotta look at the unsealed affidavit against Assange this week. And it does in fact say that he conspired to hack a server with Chelsea Manning, which is a crime, however, after seeing the Psychofantic shit show that is Bill Barr, I do not trust this justice department. And we need to watch the extradition in case

against Julian Assange to make sure Trump and his puppets don't try to use this as a way to limit the free press, the Fourth of State, right? Which Trump is continually calling an enemy of the people. Exactly. I want to keep my eye close on this because it needs to be, if they're going to prosecute Assange for a crime, it has to be very narrow and it can't touch distribution of materials, which is a protection of the free press or FOIA requests. I feel like there's going to be an attack on FOIA requests and we'll talk about that a

little bit later in the show because of this FOIA thing that happened this week that might have re-is what I was talking about. I thought with the number of redactions being as low as it was, I think it has something to do with FOIA filing filing and and a judge decision interesting in that case we'll go into that in a little bit uh... and of course the battle for trump's taxes wages on this week as uh... trump's lawyers issue a second letter to the treasury warning them uh... to not allow the irs to release his taxes to the democrats in congress and even though it's a law

i'm hoping the grand jury materials and underlying evidence in the muller report include the trump tax returns yet they need to and his finances uh... i've been i'm almost certain they're in there so you know i saw guy uh... some republican was like they keep asking for his tax returns not going to be satisfied after that they're going to want like other stuff and i'm like yeah they want evidence it's like if you murder to

one they want the murder knife or you know, they want everything they can get. Yeah, if we demand the taxes now, and it's not enough, soon we're gonna be marrying animals. Right. Slippery slope, tax slopes. What trickle down, yeah. Yeah, but his finances have to be in there.

I mean, his finances weren't gone over in the Mueller report, but those 14 referred cases, his finances are in there somewhere. And so whatever, you know, US Attorney's Office, that was referred out to, they have Trump's taxes. And when you get all the underlying evidence, if, you know, NADLAR's subpoenaing that the full Mueller report all underlying evidence, Trump's taxes got to be in there. That's another way for them to get Trump's taxes. We'll keep an eye on that, too.

They'll come out. Oh, yeah. The House subpoenaed a lot of information this week. First of all, the subpoenaed information about Trump's finances from Deutsche Bank this week. They've also asked for information about the pardon dangled to the acting DHS Secretary, Department of Homeland Security Secretary, Macaillen, I think his name is.

And the White House also has rejected the House request for documents about the AT&T Time Warner merger. So the investigation is push-on in the House, and Trump continues to block them because he would see it's totally legal and totally cool. Also this week, here's the story. Here's the thing. There was an incredible and possibly hugely consequential story. BuzzFeed filed a FOIA request for the

entire Mueller report and during the hearings Judge Reggie Walton, he's a bush appointee by the way. Basically said that he wants to wait and see what Barr puts out, but then if he's not satisfied with the redactions in the Barr report, he'll go through the redacted materials to check his work and make sure they're appropriate. Wow. And he's going to do that in camera. That's where the in camera came from, from the correction of what he means in his office alone, digging your hand, justice porn.

I think this decision might have actually had an impact on bar like I was talking about. Maybe it could be why we got a report that was less than 13% redacted when we were predicting 35, 40, 50%. And I was actually pleasantly surprised about that. Yeah, I like that connection you may, and even consider that what I know would happen, but yeah, that makes a lot of sense that he was spooked. Yeah, like, oh fuck.

Because, you know, that last report that he fucked around with in 1989 about the Manuel Noriega kidnapping, that full report didn't get subpoenaed until three years later after he was out of that job So maybe he figured he's got he can Slow roll it or something and he had a time people forget maybe to already be appointed to the Supreme Court By the time we got the full you know the full Monty yeah, but they got for Buzzfeed when that judge came out and was like I'm gonna check your work, bro. He was like, oh fuck. I can't

That's probably why you, bro. He was like, It's crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy.

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It's crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy. But I mean, the Mueller report sort of reads like a transcript of our podcast from day one. And any attack on FOIA, and a lot of that came out from FOIA requests. Absolutely. And the press, the journalist. Yeah, the dossier, all that. So those FOIA requests are important.

And I dread that he will somehow use this Assange case to limit the freedom of the press. Yeah, the trolls will come out to you, but they're gonna have like a campaign against that. Yeah, well, he could also, since he looks like he was in cahoots with WikiLeaks to some degree, right? I love WikiLeaks. If he can come out and come down hard on Assange, that's something that he can now point to and be like,

look, see, I was down for getting him or something. Right, right. Even though he benefited greatly from stuff that he did. Yeah, he's so wishy-washing. Oh, so like a cover. Yeah. Like a beard. It's a perfect, it's a perfect chance for him to come out and actually do something that would even kind of like when he said he declared the Iran defense. That whole thing like those at terrorist organization when they helped fund his Azerbaijan

hotel, like maybe as a cover, like maybe as a nocy. Or I'm tough on Russia's sanctions, which never actually really got deployed. Or getting them a heads up about those missiles. Yeah. Yeah, people are a friend to him or to him, he considers them friends until they do something, or if not being friends with them could benefit him

in some way. Right, totally. Guys, we also learned Tuesday that one of the survivors of sex trafficking and abuse by American oligarch, Jeffrey Epstein, is suing Alan Dershowitz for defamation. After he falsely claimed she had fabricated her accusations against Epstein. Her name is Virginia Jo Frey, I think that's how you pronounce it. And this is so badass and brave of her, by the way.

Not only is she saying Dershowitz defamed her, but he was also a participant in the sex trafficking and was one of the men Epstein forced her to have sex with. In response, Dershwitz said, Dershwitz said, I welcome the lawsuit. I've been looking for an opportunity to prove in court that this woman made up the whole story. I will prove she committed perjury. I've never met her, unquote. But if we've learned anything from listening to old rich white fuckers talk, it's commonly, they commonly say the opposite of what's real. So I'm sure they've met. I hope in the process of explaining it.

He's like, no, see, I had sex with this young girl and this young girl and this young girl. No, we're not. Exactly. That's my fan. She was on that. We go down. Yeah.

And this is so crazy. I wish I had her name right now, but there's a woman from Bangladesh who was just burned alive for reporting a sexual harassment claim against her at her headmaster of her school. She's like 18, 19 years old. So, I know in America, it's, fortunately, it's not that crazy, but it's a real struggle around the world, the whole idea of sexual harassment and all that. It's so awful.

Yeah. Yeah, there's just so many human rights violations. Yeah, it's just it's gross. It's that are being completely ignored. And that's happened before in past presidencies as well. Right. We need to do better. They're dismissing it so quickly.

Even if someone who you feel like you're falsely accused like a Alan Dersch, which is a piece of shit, so I wouldn't be surprised. But like, it's just the way they attack the victim. Like, I don't know. I feel like I can see why he'd be so upset, but it's just the way you talk about this. Even if you believe other victims, why would you make it, it's just bad for the whole discussion, I think. That's why I think he's evil. That's why I hope she gets justice and I hope he goes down that she's brave enough to bring this defamation suit.

Absolutely. I wasn't lying. He is a sex offender, he's a convicted sex offender. And these other things did happen. Oh, and prove that you're a liar for trying to discredit my coming forward with the story. That's fucking awesome. Absolutely.

What's really shitty though, it's probably gonna happen is there's not gonna be enough evidence to decide one where they have a witness. Her name is Maria Farmer, who worked for Epstein. She manned the front door at his New York mansion and also sold art for him. She kept a record of the visitors. She said she witnessed underage girls that would be escorted upstairs and that on a number of occasions, Der Schewitz was upstairs when the underage girls went up.

And last week, Senate Democrats demanded the Justice Department disclose the full results of its investigation into whether Trump's Labor Secretary, Alex Acosta, is guilty of misconduct when he let Epstein off the hook with basically a slap on the wrist for raping, abusing, and trafficking dozens of underage girls when he was the U.S. attorney in Florida. So maybe this witness will help provide if they've got affidavits, they've got witnesses. Yeah, I hope that helps more witnesses. Yeah, it's just historically so hard to prosecute. Like, well, this isn't a criminal case. This is a civil suit. Yeah, so worst case scenario, what could happen then? Like,

she gets a shitload of money and he's accused of lying publicly. Well, good for her and all the discovery could come out and show that he was part of these parties. Yeah, what's the statute limitations on that on that I'm pursuing them criminally or him criminally? For defamation? No, for having sex with on a rich girl. Oh, Dershowitz, it's probably over. Yeah. That's so goddamn ridiculous. That's right. There should be no statute limitations on child abuse or rape. But she'll get her day in court. That's, that's amazing. She certainly will. Yeah, and let's see if Trump, who has also been known to be at Epstein Sex Parties. Let's see if he pressures his peg boy Bill Barr and not to cooperate with senators on this

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Alright guys, today Jordan has a story about our allies down under, but first Jelisa, what's going on in Kentucky? Oh yeah, so in this week's edition of Squid Pro Crow, which I think deserves its own sound effect now, right? Like maybe we'll get like a crow calling a squid sound. That's black. Like an inking. Yes, that's what we love.

There's more like a cat. Yes, right. We'll figure it out. Oh, that's right. So on Monday, we learned that the Russian aluminum company Rusal wants to invest $200 million in an aluminum mill in Kentucky of all places. And no offense to the people of Kentucky,

I'm all for you guys getting more jobs. But I don't think it's a coincidence that all this Russian investing is happening in Ram Paul image McConnell's home state I just feel like it's got their shitty little fingerprint all over it So first of all Rousseau was just sanctioned by the US like five minutes ago for having connections to Derapaska And yet soon after Rousseau's sanctions were randomly lifted and Republicans claim it's because Dara Pasca reduced his stock in the company, but keep in mind, this aluminum deal would not be able to happen if Rousseau was still under sanctions, which inspired the joke, why was Bich McTertel and Hurtle and Hurtle hurry to lift the sanctions? Because they were Russian.

Ah! A rimshot there. Ah, Russian. Ah, Russian. Classic, classic. And as far as Rand Paul, wasn't either one who went to Russia to hand deliver a letter from Trump to Putin sure was yeah Yeah, something like we go crime with me check yesterday. Yeah, I want to meet Putin. Can I get my letter? Exactly my best friend basically Paul and McConnell ran around like little air and boys for Trump just asking who's a dick

Do I have to suck to get some change sanctions lifted around you? And the company in charge of building the aluminum mill, it's that every day. Oh yeah. This dictates why I got stuck around here to get sanctions lifted. Exactly. The company in charge of the aluminum mill or in charge of building it in Kentucky

is called Brady Industries. So every now and then I'll be referring to the people involved in this scandal as the Brady bunch, not to be confused with the Brody bunch. Yeah, no, I'm different. Yeah, and the CEO of Brady Industries, Craig Bouchard, said, quote, anyone that will help me rebuild Appalachia with prosperity, I will welcome.

We're very cautious about observance of all rules, regulations, and laws. This is a non-controversial item for us. We're business people, not politicians, which sounds nice and all until you realize this whole scheme is just Putin's way of paying back or public in candidates, which we can thank citizens United Four. Actually, we can thank Anthony Kennedy for that, right?

So, fuck the fuck. Also, fuck that guy. Yeah. Just being like complicit in Brady business. Yeah. What's his name actually? The head of the head of the head. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Craig. Craig. Those damn Craig. Craig's not true first name. So exactly. Is not going to go to jail on that crime. Right. Crank. Those damn cranks. Cranks, they're too first names. Exactly.

He's not going to go to jail on that crime. Right. Not to mention Brady Industries' main bank is another than Don't You Bank, which Kennedy's son was the head of real estate capital markets for while also working closely with the Trump organization. And we already reported that Russia was benefiting from Trump's tariffs on aluminum, but this is just a cherry on top for them. Think about it.

Trump already killed NAFTA. He stopped Canadian aluminum imports. He lifted the embargo on Russia and sanctioned Iran all in preparation for this, and all to benefit Russia. And I feel like at this point, it's not so much a smoking gun as it is a large neon arrow with like flashing lights just in Russia.

And it's a smoking-nuclear reactor, right? Exactly. And some people make you this of wearing tinfoil hats or Russian aluminum hats become... I think we're going to make this of wearing tinfoil hats or Russian aluminum hats. But come on. I think we're going to make all of our tinfoil hats out of Russian aluminum. Yeah. New merch idea.

Just so you know. Cohen says he also has evidence of Chinese money funding, funding Republican campaigns while he was the deputy finance chair of the RNC. So it might not be too out of character for Team Trump and the Brady Bars to do something like this. Either way, Brady and Russel said they've quote, entered into a letter of intent and expect a to sign a binding document in the second quarter of 2019. So we'll just see what happens with that. I know.

So messed up. Yeah. And it pisses me off so much that there isn't any sort of legal proceeding that can punish that very clear quid pro quo. Exactly. Yeah, it's like, what a coincidence that right after they lifted sanctions, this huge deal is going down in which there's a 60, 40 split on the whole project between Russia and Brady. It's insane.

And the Treasury was working really hard to get those stocks and sharehold those shares transferred from Darapaska specifically to get them down to 40% so they could lift sanctions, but it really went to 12% went to his family and the rest is owned by the Kremlin. So it's still all oligarchy totally. We should make a list of potential new laws after all of this just to give Congress a little suggestion, a guy.

Yeah, because we should have like a limit. Change you should change. Yeah, like a window after your release from sanctions, like you can't do deals for a little while, just like a probation period. Like regular people have that, like why don't rich people have that? Yeah, or if there's some sort of a deal

where you can sort of divest to get sanctions lifted, you can't give it to your family and friends. Yeah, or the court of the one. Yeah, just like Cindy Yang gave a sposs her family, it's like, still dirty. Yeah, and I also, I bet to that, that was a part of the term campaigns contacts with Russia in coordination, which I know wasn't proven,

but these are my beans. My beans are that they're like, yeah, we're gonna campaign on this idea of rebuilding a bunch of American jobs, and we're gonna source stuff from Russia. Yeah, they're gonna definitely tell their this idea of rebuilding a bunch of American jobs, and we're going to source stuff from Russia. Yeah, they're going to definitely tell their constituents that it's for them, but it's just sketchy coming from that group. Because I'm off for a second.

For a second, yeah. Like, it's just Russia? Like, why? Well, they're also creating American green jobs. Exactly. Not Russian aluminum jobs. Exactly. And because they happen to be the number one aluminum producer basically right now in the world, I'm pretty sure that's true because it used to be China

and now it's them. And they get to have that veil over this whole thing is like, oh, well, we're the top in the market, but it's like they've essentially, they kind of have what seems like a monopoly on the market right now. Totally. And they're gonna be able to just say that

that was their only choice or whatever. Yeah, or just good for the business Just good business when it's in fact it really does seem like it's Putin just paying them back Yeah, I mean you to find out if any of these guys are invested in in this company or Brady industry Yeah, I guess Brady actually is supposed to be tax payer owned somehow. That's trippy to me like I was reading on it apparently like The guy who was the mayor of Kentucky or whatever he governor I guess it would be. He made it so that the taxpayers own the company and I thought that was interesting. I wanted to look more into it just to figure

out how that works. But yeah, it seems like a weird diversion tactic. How do the taxpayers own a company? Is that normal? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I don't think there's anything illegal about any of it. And that's the frustrated. Exactly. Yeah, definitely. That's my point.

Yeah. All right. Hey, thank you. Thank you for that. For sure. Really scary information. Jordan, what do you have about our good friend from Australia? Yes.

So vindication is what I have. Australian officials came out this week saying that they're ready to corroborate intelligence that proves that that conversation between pop it up and Alexander Downer, in which pop it up drunkenly exposes allegedly drunkenly. That part may be not be true, but it seems like he was right. He exposes that Russia had dirt on Hillary. And this corroborates that that did in fact occur. And this comes after Buzzfeed has been in a 15 month long FOE,

FOI, just freedom of information battle over getting those documents. And the Australian government up until this week had refused to confirm or give any details about the matter, citing national security reasons. But now since the Mueller reports coming to an end, they said they'd be comfortable releasing this three page cable, as it's called, which is a fun old timing sounding thing. Yeah, yeah, see? It's a cam, I'm gonna send you a cable.

That details, the cable, three-page cable details the meeting, and it also includes the calendar invite. So I feel like when we talked about this in the beginning, we kind of conceived it as like some slopily put together meeting sort of, and it turns out, I mean, it was very much a planned meeting that was supposed to be a talk between Australia and pop it up to talk about foreign policy and what Trump's ideas on foreign policy were.

So that's really interesting. That's revealed in this article, so that's a surprise to me. In an Australian official, they said release of the full contents of this document could reasonably be expected to damage the bilateral relationship with the United States and relationships with other partners with which we engage closely. This would significantly impact the department's ability to prosecute Australia's foreign policy interests." So it is redacted. And that's really it.

You can put that in your pipe and smoke. It's pop a flop. That's my new, pop a flop. It's for a pop a flop. Hell yes. I like it. I like it. I like it.

I like it. It's here for Buzzfeed FOIA. Yeah. Totally. Number four. I will shock you. All right. Cool. Guys, thank you for that. And now, we're going to get into the redacted version

of the Mueller report. It is here. It came out Thursday morning, as we all know. It's two volumes. One is about Russian interference, and the other is about obstruction of justice. It's 448 pages long. 12.4% of it is redacted.

Far fewer redactions than we were expecting. We're happy about that. That's why I'm talking about that Reggie Walton decision, thinking maybe that Buzzfeed FOIA case had a last minute impact on how much was redacted from the report. 61% of the redactions are because of open and ongoing investigations, 61%.

But yeah, I'm sure it's all wrapped up. We can just change the name of our podcast, 25. 24% is grand jury material. 7% is for investigative technique. And 6% is for personal privacy. So I'd like to go over some key concepts with you guys. Keep in mind though, we're gonna do a full analysis in a series starting this week,

much like we do our book club reviews. As soon as we can get it recorded, we'll start putting them out immediately. So look for those episodes. Patrons, you'll get them a day early, but we definitely want to talk about the key points here. Since the report just came out, we've had a couple days to sit on it, digest it,

it's delicious. Talk about them and maybe what some of them mean, some of the standout things that jumped out to me at first and some of the things that seemed to be sort of floating around in the air this weekend, like lovely balloons. Oh yeah. Um, did you pop and Ray and Joy?

Yes. Uh, first, uh, volume one, page one, right, at the outset. It sounds like I'm just going to read the whole thing. In the beginning. Yeah. So Muller lays out his findings, and, and this is the entire sentence that bar chopped up and put in his first summary letter. If you remember, the sentence in Barr's memo started with a capital T in brackets, which

indicated to us that there was a front part of that sentence that was missing that probably began with the word, although. Love those brackets. Yeah. And we were correct. Here is the sentence in its entirety. Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the campaign

expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities. Nice. That's the whole thing. Although there was a lot of collusion, there was not a listed coordination that rose to the level of criminality is what it's saying. And that's what we thought it was going to say. Yeah.

Although there was a shitload of fucked up shit, we had that one tiny link from the chain was missing in our ability to charge a crime in interference activities. Nowhere does it say no collusion. And that is something you can take with you forward on into modernity when Trump supporters give you the no collusion line. Ask them for a screenshot of the Mueller report that says no collusion. Yeah, show me their stamp, our no collusion stamp. Show me, yeah, one of our patrons report that says no collusion. Yeah, show me their stamp or no collusion stamp. Show me, yeah, one of our patrons sent us a no collusion stamp.

It's pretty awesome. We're going to start using that. Oh, yeah. Yeah, ask them to show you. Show me the line in the Mueller report that says no collusion. I'll wait. It's not there. And Mueller even addressed the word collusion in his report.

And here's the quote from there, in evaluating whether evidence about collective action of multiple individuals constituted a crime, we applied the framework of conspiracy law, not the concept of collusion. In so doing, the office recognized that the word collude was used in communications with the acting attorney general confirming certain aspects of the investigation scope and that the term has frequently been invoked in public reporting about the investigation. But collusion is not a specific offense or theory of liability found in the United States Code nor is it a term of art in federal criminal law. For those reasons, the office's focus in analyzing questions of joint criminal liability

was on conspiracy as defined in federal law. In connection with that analysis, we addressed the factual question whether members of the Trump campaign coordinated a term that appears in the appointment order with Russian election interference activities. Like collusion, coordination does not have a settled definition in federal criminal law. We understood coordination required an agreement, tacit or express between the Trump campaign and the Russian government on election interference. That requires more than two parties taking actions that were informed by or responsive to

the other's actions and interests or interests. We applied the term coordination in that sense when stating in the report that the investigation did not establish that the Trump campaign coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities. End of story. So, while written, lots of collusion. Yeah, and also very easy to understand. I really appreciate that they wrote it like that. Absolutely.

Right. So even though it is 448 pages and I think Barr is trying to keep people from reading it because it's so long and that's why I didn't release the summaries. They wrote it in of I mean, it's it's got a lot of legal terms in it, but it's written for a layperson. Yeah, who's gonna do the first like Mueller report Twitter account or each like Yeah, who's gonna do the first like Mueller report Twitter account or each like Twitter tweet It's just like another summer. Yeah, every like a Seth Abramson Yeah, that's like our Twitter account a little bit It's just thousands and thousands of tweets long exactly Okay, so that's the only time collusion is referred to in this report is when the president says it or Tweets it. Yeah, or a, a president's ally uses the term.

And in a piece this week by Asha Rangapa in the New York Times, she talks about how Trump supporters who fell for the no collusion marketing disinformation campaign fell for an old Russian propaganda trick called reflexive control, which is quote, a technique of psychological manipulation through disinformation. The idea is to feed your adversary a set of assumptions that will produce a predictable response. That response, in turn, furthers a goal that advances your interests by luring your opponent into agreeing with your initial assumptions.

You can control the narrative and ultimately the outcome in your favor. Best of all the outcome is one in which your adversary has voluntarily acceded. And this is exactly what happened with much of the American public in the course of Mueller's investigation. Well, Russian tricks and you fell for them. Yep, and loop in the truth. I think that played a large part maybe in the redactions as well too,

because it's like assuming that bar was redacking things he shouldn't have redacted, if Giuliani hadn't looved the truth, then they probably would have redacted even more. Yeah. That's true. That's true. Looted the truth. On page 10, the report goes into some of the difficulties

they had with people in that some invoked the Fifth Amendment, which Trump has said only guilty people do. Some claimed executive privilege and some lied to the special counsel, which is a crime, but special counsel only charged some of them as crimes. Right. It doesn't spell out why they didn't charge all the liars with lies. On page 174, we see some redactions in Mueller's considerations

and charging Russians that interfered with the election, which says to me, there may be additional or similar charges against Russians. On page 185, is the argument Mueller makes about considering charging crimes surrounding the June 2016 Trump Tower meeting and whether or not the documents promised had intrinsic monetary value.

And this is the part I still didn't understand, and I would ask him about if I were in Congress. But Mueller says that in light of the government's substantial burden of proof on issues of intent, which is knowing and willful, and the difficulty establishing the value of the offered information, the evidence probably wouldn't be sufficient

to sustain a conviction. So the crime of the offered information, the evidence probably wouldn't be sufficient to sustain a conviction. So the crime of conspiracy is the one they couldn't establish a high burden of proof of intent for. But the thing we'd always thought was going to be chargeable was that this was an in-kind campaign donation, something of value from a foreign government, specifically for an adversary, because the documents have value and that's a crime. So what Mueller is saying is they couldn't determine the value of the dirt on Hillary Clinton. So we couldn't charge Don Jr. with that crime and I just don't understand that.

Moreover, Mueller concluded that Don Jr. was pretty much too stupid to have willful intent in this case, which is known as mens rea and it's different from ignorance of a law. It's just ignorance. They should have a price is right episode for the like the emails to figure out what the prices were. Just guess, just give it a number. How much of these words without going over? Even if they just said that they were worth the paper,

they were printed on. That still would have been illegal. It would have had a value. Yeah. And I don't know why they didn't assign a value to it. Maybe they just thought that they would have a real hard time and that would be a sticking point in court. Yeah.

Or maybe that's just like a slope, they don't want to go down. I shouldn't say slope, maybe more precedent, they don't want to set. Just less bullet proof, right? And yeah, and kind of a creepy precedent. But I want to ask him, why? I know, why didn't you just say it was worth 5 cents? Yeah. Get on with it.

Because Hillary would be offended. I'm more than that. My emails are priceless. Priceless. And then on page 197, Mueller addresses the infamous Jeff Sessions line during his because Hillary would be offended. I'm more than more than the emails. They're priceless. Priceless. And then on page 197, Mueller addresses the infamous Jeff Sessions line during his confirmation hearing. You hear it every week in our opening sequence.

I did not have communications with Russians. And Mueller determines that Sessions understood the question narrowly and that there was not enough evidence that Sessions willfully lied. The investigation though did confirm sessions met multiple time with Russians, with Russians, multiple times, with Russians. So yeah, I guess when he was asked the questions, we ever met with any Russians, for some reason Jeff Sessions took it to mean, have I had like substantive meetings with Russians about specific things and he's like,

not, and not meet with them for that. Right. And so he was able to, you know, slip through that one. Yeah, yeah. All right. Then we get to volume two, and volume two is the best volume. On page two, we learned why Mueller didn't come to a conclusion on obstruction. As you guys know, we had said, well here, listen to my beans from last week's episode. It's called Mueller if you're listening. Here's what I think.

Here's my beans to that. I think that he had an answer on obstruction of justice. If he didn't, he would have had to interview Trump because you have to get to intent. But maybe he had such overwhelming evidence, he didn't need to get that interview. But the Department of Justice does not allow you to bring criminal charges for obstruction of justice and in the past There is precedent that shows that that the special counsel or special investigator or special prosecutor Whatever you call them at that point would hand that kick that question over to Congress because you can't indict a sitting president because of

DOJ policy and we know Hmm Mueller probably follows rules and that's exactly what the Mueller report indicates. So beans came true. And check out what Jalisa says right after that. Yeah, and that means hopefully when Trump's no longer president, which will happen, that somebody will arrest him after the arts. And Jalisa, your beans came true, because Mueller says that in his report, that while he can't charge the president,

despite his crimes, the president can be charged once he leaves office. So well done there. Nice. Good job team. Yeah, yeah. Go. More than says that if he had confidence that Trump did not commit an obstruction of justice,

or commit obstruction of justice, he would have said so. But based on the facts and the law, he couldn't say that. And therefore, while he couldn't charge him with a crime, because the Department of Justice doesn't allow him to charge him with a crime, the investigation doesn't exonery him. And that's the massive takeaway here. More than goes on to lay out ten instances of obstruction of justice. That's a cafe-fay of obstructions. Yeah, it's a BuzzFeed, let's free you.

And he offers the three requirements to meet the standard to charge criminal obstruction of justice, which are an obstructing action, nexus to an official proceeding, not a duty to choose. There we go. Yeah. Nexus to an official proceeding, and intent. And Mueller lays it all out there, basically offering everything anyone could ever need to get a clean bulletproof conviction on criminal obstruction of justice.

And there are seven of those 10 obstruction of justice instances that meet all three requirements. Wow. So charge that shit. Yeah. Counts of criminal obstruction of justice. And in the reason he didn't charge him is because he couldn't because he follows the rules. That's crazy. And we knew it though. We called it. That's true. That's what we said. I'm just glad it's validating. That's right. Because I said, I think the only reason they didn't interview Trump is because they had plenty.

They didn't need to get to his intent and the only reason they didn't charge him with the crime is because he couldn't. The law. Yeah. There it is. I do think that's weird though that he didn't push more to interview Trump because if he could have interviewed him, he could have had more information on if he could establish intent or not.

Maybe he won't. So that's when I started interview. I guess so. But I just I really wonder why he didn't I mean I know it was in fucking nightmare just to try to get an even give written answers for sure. But he is. He is very thorough but he also doesn't waste time and I think that and and this is just beans.

This is total theory and based on what little I know about this man. But if he's got seven full counts of obstruction of justice with meeting all three requirements to meet criminality, illicit criminality of obstruction of justice, you don't need anymore. Right, because Trump wasn't planning on like doing it anytime soon.

So like the whole not wasting time, think about Miller, that makes sense, yeah. Yeah, and also says a lot about what his intent was for the report. He wanted to basically get things to the threshold where he could pass them off to congressional investigators or other districts, I think, and they could run with it. I think Mueller also said in his report

that there was just a lot of delays and it was a lot of pushback and it was just like, I don't know what, fuck you. We don't really know how to push back. He also maybe didn't want to risk poking the bear too hard and getting himself fired. So it could have been a lot of different things. That's true, that's a good point.

Yeah, can you imagine what Trump's team is like when he really, he relented on getting an interview too hard and get in himself fired. So it could have been a lot of different things. That's true. That's a good point. Yeah. Can you imagine what Trump's team is like when he really he relented on getting an interview? They're like, really? OK. Exactly. Sure. And then finally, I wanted to touch on Appendix D.

Actually, this isn't finally. There's a few more points. And that seems to indicate more indictments are coming. It says, quote, during the investigation, the office periodically identified evidence of potential criminal activity that was outside the scope of the special counsel's jurisdiction established by the acting attorney general. So after consultation with the office of the deputy attorney general, the office referred that evidence to appropriate law enforcement authorities, principally other components

of the Department of Justice and the FBI. Those referrals listed alphabetically by subjects are summarized below. So that's what the thing says. And then he lists out 14 cases referred out, two of which we know about, Greg Craig and Michael Cohen, then 12 more that are redacted because they're still open and ongoing.

And those are where the fantasy indictment leg points are going to come from. That's the fantasy indictment league points farm. Yeah. No further indictments. Yeah. Totally. Exonerated.

Thank you. No indictment. They wouldn't have been referred out if there wasn't, I don't think sufficient evidence to successfully prosecute knowing Mueller's super high standards. Just pleasure for wasting anyone's time. So I'm wondering if that's where the counterintelligence stuff is, because Natasha Bertrand, now writing for Politico, says this week in a piece, reminding us that counterintelligence matters are usually referred back to the FBI.

And Congress wants to know how many of the redacted referred investigations involve Trump, like maybe his finances or counterintelligence, and if any of those offenses are impeachable offenses, which is why Nadler has subpoenaed the full Mueller report and all the underlying evidence, even though the DOJ is saying that's premature and stupid. And don't forget Trump's taxes are likely part of that underlying evidence. But by far my favorite part of the report so far could be, could change tomorrow, is what Trump said when he was told Rosenstein had appointed a special counsel. He said, Oh my God, this to the voices of our city choir.

Acquire for homeless people in San Diego. They recorded that for us. So thanks to them. A couple more points of interest include a bit about Sarah fuck face Sanders, fuck a bee who lied to the American people when she said that she talked to countless folks at the FBI who had lost confidence in Comey. Says quote, Sanders acknowledged to investigators

that her comments were not found on anything. Nothing. So that's it. So now there's increased calls from the public and some White House staffers for her to resign. So she's out on a publicity tour basically lying about her lie. I think she owed the press an apology. She should crawl back into whatever hole when she came. She's been gaslighting us for two years and now we have a report that verifies what we've been saying all along. It's extremely vindicating to have proof that we weren't crazy. And the crazy liberals we've been made out to be the angry Democrat, the rich folks,

fire, ten. The other one is a result in foil hat. And finally, people are pissed at Senator Burr, the Republican share of the Intel committee. The Mueller report says that he provided the White House with information on the FBI Russia investigation after a private briefing by the FBI to the gang of eight by James Comey. And that Burr did this within a week of briefing. According to notes by Annie Donaldson, Burr told the White House about the existence of four to five targets, including Flynn, Manafort, Page, and Poppodopoulos.

Hmm. Personally, I think he needs to recuse himself from sharing the Senate Intelligence Committee now, and we should call our senators to push for that. Oh, yes. So where do we go from here? As Jalisa and Muller have pointed out, we can't indict Trump for obstruction until he's out of office. And the statute of limitations for obstruction

of justice is five years, meaning if Trump gets reelected, he avoids facing justice. So we would either need to impeach him, though we run the risk of Pence pardoning him, if we impeach him, or we vote the amount in 2020. And as you all know, I've been holding off on an impeachment call until the Mueller report came out because of the potential implications of failed removal after impeachment leading to maybe his re-election.

Well, I've seen the report, and I'm on the fence now. I think it's, at the very least least the House Judiciary should open an impeachment inquiry to determine if they'll move forward with impeachment. And this would establish that judicial proceeding needed to meet the prerequisite for getting the grand jury material to the House Judiciary under Rule 6E. So we'd be able to get that. But the fact remains the President committed a crime, seven times. Yeah.

A felonies. These are felonies, which isn't even a requirement for impeachment. Trump has already committed several impeachable offenses like a beef of power when he dangled pardons or when he pressured the postmaster general to double amazon shipping expenses its retribution for the Washington Post and the way the Washington Post was reporting on him. And in case you missed it, Romney is totally grossed out by what I read by what, sorry, he read in the Mueller report and he said on Twitter, I'm sick and at the extent in pervasive a pervasiveness of dishonesty and misdirection by individuals in the highest office of the land including the president I am he is in the highest office. Yeah he like also on me. Yeah I'm also appalled that among

other things fellow citizens working in a camp on a campaign for president welcomed help from Russia including information that had been illegally obtained that none of them acted to inform American law enforcement, and that the campaign chairman was actively promoting Russian interests in Ukraine. Cool story, bro. Can you get 20 of your Republican buddies in the Senate? Seriously. On board with removing him, because that's the only way to get him out of office. Yeah.

And it wouldn't be about Dems or Republicans or even Trump. It would be about Congress doing its constitutional duty to hold the president accountable to ensure it won't happen again. We set a bad precedent if we let him get away with this, let him continue to think he's above the law and act as though he is. I heard it wrong. I was prophecy. Yeah, I was going to say we've heard him talk before. I really would love to see him do something this time. He's put a white fold right now, though.

And the other way to get Trump out of office is to vote him out. Because what's clear is that Russia attacked us and not only did Trump Not defend us. He's basically joining he joined the other side and continues to leave us in our democracy vulnerable in favor of his own Yeah, financial gain Trump's the kind of guy like if his girlfriend was getting beat up He'd like join in and start beating his girlfriend up. He's just the worst Mom boot party Remember friends we will be doing a deep dive into the report in short order.

Patrons, you'll get those early and add free, but we're definitely releasing this to the public because the importance of getting the information out there in a digestible manner. I wish we had those summaries that were written for us, all part of Bars disinformation campaign about this report. He should be impeached.

He should be charged with obstruction of justice. And I hope House Dems make a criminal referral on him for his active, willful participation in obscuring the findings of the Mueller investigation. Yeah. Tired of the shit, bro. Julie, so what do you think about the impeachment question? Well, like, if it's worth it, like, I'm for it, the risks seem to be there, but I don't think we have a choice morally. Yeah, with the Mueller report, I feel like our back's against the wall,

just like war and I think like she's smart, she it's gonna be a battle, but she knows her bases is what they want to see something done now So I'm with it. Yeah, yeah, definitely I Agree I also wanted to really quick if I can just Point out how annoying it is that in Russia and Russia in bars I just read Russia in bars for page memo when he or when he first starts talking about I'm sorry the reprise all fucked up So when he first starts talking about the Mueller report in the press conference He says he comes right out saying that it's such a great report because it unveils everything that Russia did

To undermine our elections and he wants to focus on that and how that's primarily what the report is about, right? But then before Trump wouldn't even admit that they did middle in our elections and there was a huge talking point for them at that point. So now they're hiding behind something that they used to say didn't even happen and they believe Putin on it and they're trying to use that as a shield.

It's like the most low life shit. Yeah, good point. Yeah, it's called moving the goal posts and they do it every day and that's a really good point that you bring up. All right, guys, we will write back with Sabotage, Fantasy Enditement League, and some clips from our live show in Hollywood as we talk details on the Mueller report

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All right, so let's see, the P tapes could be real. Oh my goodness. Yes, according to the Mueller Report, Cohen, it seems like a little see here. There's a guy named Ritzkolatsse. He told Mueller that the tapes referred to compromising tapes of Trump, and would be held by persons associated with Russian real estate conglomerate Krokes Group, which had helped host the 2013 Miss Universe pageant. And according to the report, the pageant was owned by Trump for years, by the way.

Cohen told the special counsel that he spoke to Trump about the issue after receiving Ritz-Kollaldes' text about these tapes being a thing. And so Cohen knew about it, and so Cohen probably told Trump about the p-tapes. So when Komi sat down in that real uncomfortable p-tap discussion... Their first meeting, yeah. Their first meeting. Trump already knew the p-tapes could be out there. That's why he immediately had Rebuttals ready to go. Yeah, so Again, we still don't know if this is real a lot of the reporting also says that it could this you know that they don't exist They could be totally fake, but I think with that Lanny Davis tweet about Cohen having been able to fill in the blanks

I'm wondering if it's not the peepee tapes. I can't wait to find out and why you holding them back so long, bro All right guys, so that's a neat sabotage. Woo-hoo. All right, you ready for this? Such strange things we hold out hope for now. I just wanna know. What if we become? All right, guys, ready for the fantasy indictment lead?

Yes. I'm gonna be a dentist. No way, this is gonna be okay. I'm gonna be a client. I'm a client dick. A diner! I'm a client. I'm a client! Oh, that they can't. It's gonna be a dinosaur! No, it is gonna be okay. I'm gonna be a dinosaur! I'm gonna be a dinosaur! It's gonna be okay. Just calm down.

I can't calm down. I'm gonna be a dinosaur! Alright guys, who picks first this time Jordan? I think you're first. And who's gonna be able to take some notes? I can take. Oh, where was quicker? Sure. I'm gonna pull it up and we'll just see who wins. Okay. Unless you're ready. My phone's kind of slow. Sure, I got it. I can't believe it.

Okay, who's your first pick? My first pick is Essange. You don't mind. Yeah, they're gonna question him and he might lie and they might definitely add charges if they don't try to charge him for something associated with conspiracy or espionage. Yeah, that's good. I'm gonna go with Don McGann. Ooh, okay. Really? Yeah, because I feel like there's gonna be stuff that pops up with the report now.

They're gonna probably wanna interview him or get something done. I don't know, it might not be an indictment, but like a plea deal, that still counts, right? You could do a McGann plea deal being released. Yeah, yeah, could make it, yeah, plea deal please. All right, I'm gonna go with AMI. Ooh, okay. All right. I'm going to go with AMI. Oh, okay.

Round two. Yes. I'm doing a troponogural. Nice. I'm holding out for that, so bad. Holding out for a hero. I'm going to do Weiselberg. Okay.

All right. I'm going to do a pecker. You've selected pecker. Okay. I'm doing WikiLeaks. Cool. Nice committed. Yes.

I'll do Sherry Dylan, director of Camman or former director. No, that's Brittany Kaiser. Brinwick, I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah, it's good. I'm Sherry Dylan. Oh, I used to get. Okay. So Sherry Dylan is a Trump lawyer.

Yeah, we're in you guys going to pick either of them because. Oh, no. Okay. Yeah, I'll go with Sherry Dylan. Okay. And then I'll come back around. Okay. Yeah, I'll go with Sherry Dylan. Okay. And then I'll come back around. Okay.

I'm a UCorsey. Hmm. Play deal? Nope. Hmm. He said no to a plea deal. He can go fuck himself. Yeah, but then remember he was being kind of like

weirdly cooperative for a second sort of and then like he keeps being wishy-washy. I think they'll just charge him. I think it's been handed off and then they'll just charge him. Yeah. Yeah. In DC, US Attorney's Office in DC. Zelensky's there now, one of Mueller's team.

He came from Maryland and then after he left the Mueller team, he went into work for Jesse Liu in the DC, US Attorney's Office. Yeah. OK. Around four? Yeah. I'm going to do critical plea deal only because I have no idea

what the real story is there. Yeah. I'm sure you're good. Now the real story is there. I'm sorry. Now I'll do Britney Kaiser. Okay. I'll do Dylan Howard. All right. Final round. Final round.

I'm going to say Donald Trump Jr. I'm going to have some fun. Julian Assange's cat. For what crime? I don't know. Julian Assange's cat. For what crime? I don't know, that's a good question. The crime of being adorable, probably. Being adorable. I like it.

I'm gonna go with Felix Seder, that's my last one. Nice. All right guys, that is the fantasy indictment league. That's how we do it. If you wanna join fantasy indictment league, you have to be a patron. You go to our close Facebook group called Friends of Justice and you can post your your picks Sunday night after the show drops.

All right, guys, we're not going to take a break. You know what, we're just going to go right into some of the clips that we came up with from the Hollywood show at Largo. We had such a good time. Thank you guys for coming out to that. It was truly, truly amazing. And Jack Bryan, co-writer, producer, director of Active Measures, a documentary he was there, and Elizabeth Cronice McLaughlin,

host of Resistance Live, she was there as well. So I hope you guys enjoy these clips, and we'll be right back. I think it's gonna be a really great show. I think you're gonna have a good time. We've got Jack Bryan here, Director Active Measures. Yes! Yeah!

Greg Proops sends his apologies for not being able to be here. He has eye surgery. You got to see it. Yeah, he's the truth. You got to be able to see what that hat says. You do. Yeah. To for safety. Yes. But right now I want to bring out our third panelists. You guys, she's the host of Resistance Live, an amazing lady, Elizabeth Chronis McLaughlin! We seriously can't express how wonderful it is to be part of this, but Elizabeth, I wanted to ask you a little bit about today kind of your top line reactions from the drop big drop big oh my

gosh well okay so a couple of things that I feel like you we just have to say relentlessly the thing that is so key about the everything that we saw today both following to the report is that it exonerates no one and all that propaganda that's been floating around, everything that Bill Barr said this morning at 9.30 is just a load of bullshit, frankly. It's just not true. I mean, literally not true.

Oh. Oh. Yeah, you've always been on the impeachment. Yeah, I've always been on the impeachment train. But also was on the indictment train to be fair about it. I mean, I have said, and now I have to walk this back, but there were a couple of times I said last year that I thought that there was a possibility

that Mueller would go beyond the policy of the DOJ and actually maybe take a gambit at indicting the president. Very plainly, he did not do that, but what I will say, because I read the whole report, those of you who saw my broadcast this morning know that I was up at 5 a.m. and when it dropped, my printer was burning paper. I read the whole thing and you know particularly the obstruction section volume two of that report it is a road map

that was written start to finish for the purposes of impeachment proceedings. It lays it all out. The thing I like about it the most, yeah the thing I like about it the most, yeah, the thing I like about it the most that's, you know, like, to me, the most significant aspect of that part of the report is that he actually really went to town on all the legal justifications for why the president shouldn't be indicted. And there's a whole, sorry, shouldn't be investigated. And there's a whole section that basically just states, here's all the reasons why Congress engaging in an investigation and impeachment proceedings

isn't going to interfere with his article too authority. And it's right there, like Mueller basically was like, I'm going to cut off at the knees all of the justifications for Trump's lawyers for why this shouldn't happen. Nice, so it's, yeah, it's a gorgeous piece of work, honestly, from a lawyer standpoint. I wanted to bring you out here because I wanted to talk a little bit about the active measures aspect of this.

Because I have to know what the fuck is going on with bar. Why would he do this? And I'm wondering, did he maybe visit Russia recently? Go to the Ritz Carlson? Or just Emma Dada, Hapsa, which is by way, the assholes formerly known as Cambridge Analytica. Did they send a prostitute his way and get taped? Like, what is he doing this? It's blowing my mind.

Is he compromised or something? Well, I think for me to understand the bar thing, I think what's important is to go back to 1992. Bar is the attorney general, and HW has done with the Iran Contra scandal. And Barz, and he's thinking about pardoning some of the people involved. And Barr recommends that he pardons everybody involved and do it the day before Christmas, 1922. And so we cut to now, day before Easter weekend and Passover, and he is releasing this.

So I think that Bar is just a hack and has been since the 90s. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think he's a cleanup guy. I think that his intention and his reason for being brought in, which pretty obvious,

was to clean this thing up. He had done it once before. And I think that it's not going to be as successful this time. I mean, and that's because I think that the time between what he did in 89 with that Office Legal Council memo that he bullshed it his way through to be able to kidnap Manuel Noriega. And he had a nice, I'll just give you a summary.

I'll summarize the top conclusion, but like he just exactly what he did this time. But the time between that and the time the memo came out, which three years he was gone, he was out of the job. that and the time the memo came out was three years. He was gone. He was out of the job. That's finally when they subpoenaed the shit. And everybody got to see it.

This, I think, though, because of who were we talking about a little bit earlier, with Judge Walton, I don't think it's going to be three years before we see the entire report. And so that's a huge risk to come out, even just from last week to this week, between what he said this morning and what happened 10 minutes later. Like it's just so disparate, do you know what I mean? Well, and you and I were talking earlier about the fact that actually the redactions in

the report are much slimmer than what we expected they were going to be. I honestly thought it was going to be just like zebra city today. And it's not. I mean, that's what's really crazy about it. Is there's something about what Judge Walton said that probably had a chilling effect on bars willingness to kind of redact more. Because there's a lot more he could have taken out of there.

This whole thing of like, I'm gonna redact embarrassing material was what everyone was really worried about. And there's almost no redactions in there for that. Exactly, yeah. Yeah, 12.6% of the report is redacted. worried about and there's almost no redactions in there for that. Exactly. Yeah. 12.6% of the report is redacted. We thought it would be 35, 40, 50. And it might have been until that Walton hearing happened.

Yeah, and that's unredacted. Yeah, and that's kind of what it feels like a dump to me, where it just feels like he went out there, I mean, pretty clearly went out there early on, as a means of sort of purplowing it, the four page letter was the same thing, and then to just pile it all out as a way of, at a time when people are not going to be watching the news, as a way of just overloading it. Yeah, I can see that. But I just have to wonder, I can't figure out why he would risk that. I mean, I know he see that. Yeah. But, you know, I just have to wonder, like, I can't figure out why he would risk that. I mean, I know he did before.

Well, but he, what's he risking? I mean, he doesn't live in a place, he doesn't live in LA. You know, there's a huge portion of the country that is gonna appreciate what he did and look after him for. How many towers in Moscow were there? Well, there was, there's, there's never been none. There's never been none.

The most recent one would have been the largest skyscraper in Europe. That was the deal that was being discussed during the campaign. But since the 90s, they've been discussing it. And I think that there was references in the 80s, but seriously, since the 90s, certainly with Lorber, actually. And yeah, that's been a conversation they've been having for a long time.

And this is one of their things that Russians do. They dangle what they want in front of you until they get what they want. And they go, they tell you, I'd say I get my documents, I tell you, go fuck yourself. Absolutely. And also, it's part of a compromising process that if I can get you to do something illegal

along the way of you getting something that you want, then I have you. Then you're compromised already. Totally. Yeah. Yeah, I was just in Belgium. We're talking to a couple of members of the European Parliament there. They hosted a screening of the movie.

And I sort of asked them, what's the trigger point? What's the point where you guys realize, like, oh no, like, you know, the sort of fascism for like better words on the rise in the world in a really bad way, and they were like, it was when Donald Trump got elected. Well, and this is the danger of, if God forbid, Pelosi doesn't take this ball and run with it, he's going to be above the law. Yeah. I mean, he thinks he's above the law already.

We've seen it in the last couple of weeks alone in ways that we haven't before, and when he thinks he, there's no accountability, and the law doesn't apply to him, he's going to do whatever he wants to. Yeah, he doesn't. He doesn't. But this is one of the times where living in a liberal district is actually a benefit, because y'all

can call it your congressperson. And I've talked to a bunch of members of Congress on this. One of the reasons that they don't push as hard as I would like them to is that they don't think that they have constituent support. They don't think people care. And so if people in this room, people listening to this, if you have a Congress person who

might be interested in this, call them and tell them that you care about this, because they actually will listen. Yes, ma'am. There was like discussion about this on Twitter all day today with like you know the 18 year old kid in the criminal justice system who is being accused of obstruction and whether or not a person of color who's like you know trying to get his friend not to talk about the deal they did or whatever the allegations are that person is going to go away for like 35 years. Oh yeah, they're fucked. Yeah. They're fucked. So that kid has mens rea. Right. And you know I mean again I think we have to look at everything that's happening you know through the lens of privilege here and there's been a lot of discussions about this just in terms of the sentencing. And somebody used to do white collid litigation. This kind of stuff drives me crazy. Like when we

talk about criminal justice reform and what needs to come next. Like this has to be a part of it. We can't have people skating on, you know, how much do Papa Doppler's do? Like six days in prison or something like that? I'm a little bit nervous. When he's like the guy who got drunk in the bar in London and told Australian intelligence that they had dirt on Hillary Clinton before any of it was public, that's what he gets.

You know, and his cooperation is not highly extensive. Did we talk about this thing, about the ducks this week, with the head of the CIA? What the duck? So you know the murder that took place in London, do you guys have this whole thing with the poisoning? So it turns out that the head of the CIA has got, there was a big article about it,

has figured out how to play the president. And the way that she played the president, to get him to impose some form of sanctions as a result of this was that she showed him pictures of the dead ducks that had also been poisoned at the same time. Oh, wow. That the Russians had poisoned their spy. And this is the whole reason why it's incredibly important

when all of us talk about this, that we don't fall into even the remote suggestion that the whole first section of the report in any way exonerates the president. No, because it doesn't. You guys are awesome! Thank you to Jack Bryan, even though you have two first names, Elizabeth Cronai's McLaughlin from Resistance Live. All right guys, that's our show. Thanks to everyone who came out to the Lago again, such an amazing event, incredible night, so fun meeting our patrons at the Super Secret Meetup after the show. Thank you for traveling from Indiana, Chicago, Seattle, Phoenix, Portland.

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It was an amazing show. Oh, yeah. So just thank you, guys. Yeah, it was incredible. And thank you for trusting yourselves and sticking with us and listening and being strong and knowing that you're not crazy. And not letting the gas light in get to you. Yep, good point.

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