Jack - Mueller, He Spoke (feat. Michael Isikoff & Daniel Klaidman)

Episode Date: June 2, 2019

S3E22 - Joining us this week is Michael Isikoff & Daniel Klaidman of the Skullduggery podcast! Plus, we're joined by our two behind-the-scenes rockstars Saralee Steiner and Sarah Hershberger-Valencia! We also give updates on America's sweetheart Roger Stone, a plot twist in the story of the 2020 census citizenship question, Mueller speaking for the first time probably ever, and more! Enjoy!

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So we're very happy to have you guys. It's good to be here. Yeah, thanks for that. Yeah, no problem. So how was your week, everyone? Let's start with you Lisa. Oh, yeah. Mine was great.

I went to the fair with my girlfriend and did a show yesterday So that was cool nice out of the fair right exactly. Yeah, yeah, the big gay events of the fair went well Yeah, it was amazing. Yeah, I felt really good gay vibes from everyone good gay. Yeah, yes good good How are you? What's your week like? I need to find a house to live in because I'm moving to Wisconsin, right? I am. I am moving. Pretty sad about it. We're also very sad. Yeah. I haven't started packing. We're like leaving in July and a month and I still haven't found a place. I feel like I'm kind of chill about it because yeah I'm just like, oh, I'll figure it out. Yeah, it's nothing's permanent too.

So. Yeah, we're just there for three years. You'll be back though, is that you come back here? Yeah, I hope so, yeah. Yeah, we'll see what happens. I don't blame you. I'm sure three years will go by faster than you would like it to, probably, just in general.

On like an existential level. In fact, three years can't get her soon enough because hopefully Trump won't be present anymore. Yeah, but Wisconsin's actually really cool. It's a really cool place. In fact, three years can't get her soon enough because hopefully Trump won't be present anymore. Yes. But Wisconsin's actually really cool, a really cool place. I went, you know, I lived in Chicago for a couple of years and we used to go visit friends in Kenosha and Madison.

And we're going, when we go to Minneapolis, my friend has a cabin just across the border in Wisconsin, not the Canadian border, right across from Minnesota. And it's beautiful there. Yeah, I'm just gonna make sure that I take advantage of the new area. Just, you know, I'm really sad to leave.

Like my heart just sad on my family's here, my life's here, but that's military life, you know. It's okay, I'm gonna make the best of it. Well, thank you for your service as well. Oh, thank you. Your husband, whatever. Thank you. Thank you for your service. well. Thank you. Your husband, whatever. Thank you for your service. No, I'm kidding. Give him a hug for me. What's going on? No, with your week. Yes. Jordan speaking. Hello. I'm Jordan speaking. You have a very recognizable

voice. I'm not even sure you're right to end now. Jordan speaking. Hello. I had a good week. I speaking hello. I had a good week. I am moving but to a closer place. Yes, so I need to pack for that. I have not been doing that. That's what I've actively been doing this week is not packing. But I saw Godzilla yesterday a 3D and that shit was real cool in 3D. Okay. And it was cast really well too. Did you see it with Russell? No, I saw it with Ryan and my little sister. Okay, cool.

I'm gonna have to check that out. None of you know who Russell is. It's fine. Well, some of you do. I mean, he has a comedian, but don't even worry about it. And how was your week? I went to my first bar class in like a year. Like bar method?

Yeah, kind of like that, but I go to a first bar class in like a year. Like bar method? Yeah, kind of like that, but I go to a place called Studio Bar, please sponsor me. Class is a very expensive. Because I didn't go to bar class, but it's like my local pub and I just drink. Yeah, when I tell people that and also the studio is conveniently next to a Befmo.

So I can choose what kind of night I want to have. Bar class? Yeah. Yeah. But I went to have. Bar class and then bar class. Yeah. But I went to my first class and that was about two days ago and I still cannot move and it hurts to sneeze. And, um, right, they're core focused a lot, right? It was everything.

Like it is painful just to be wearing a bra right now. Just take it off. It's not wear one. No. Okay, I'll leave it on. Yeah, everyone, let's just get naked right now. Yeah, yeah off. It's not where I like to go. No. I'm okay. I'll leave it to you. Everyone, let's just get naked right now.

Yeah, let's just get naked. We'll all just do the show naked. We're gonna get so many more subscribers. We're gonna get so many more subscribers. Video for Patrons coming soon. Big tune in over. So guys, we have a big show today in a big news week. Mueller, he spoke for the first time since he was appointed

as special counsel and probably ever in my life. And then we have some thoughts about that. We also have some updates on Flynn stone, meet the Flynn stones. Some thoughts on the decision to charge a sange, a Comey op-ed, which I'm actually not going to go over. You guys can read it though.

He just did this op-ed where he's like, just as important, I'm tall, I love you. I guys can read it though. He just did this op-ed where he's like, just this is important. I'm tall. I love you. I was gonna stick it into the thing, but I actually went and read it. I'm like, there's nothing really of substance in here other than he's just a tall drink of water. So check that out if you want,

but we're not gonna cover it. Some comforting words from Andrew McCabe. This was really important to me. I sent him an email because I was trying to figure out like, you know, with the whole counterintelligence report. And normally what happens is that the FBI CIA and NSA would give a briefing to the gang of eight. Like they did before the whole before Mueller was appointed and they came in and that's when Burr like ran back to the

White House and told him what happened. So I'm like, now who's left at the FBI? Because we've lost the Komi-5, right? Gattis, Bodich, Ribiki, McCabe, and Baker. And then also Wente, if you want to get at him as the sixth, they're all gone. So now who's going to, who feels obligated under bar, you know, and then the FBI director's Christopher Ray, to go and tell the Adam Schiff, a Democrat, like what's going on with counterintelligence?

I feel like who's going to do that? Who's taking care of us? And I emailed McCabe and I was like, who's going to do it? I'm scared. And he was like, A.G., don't worry, don't worry. There are thousands of amazing men and women in the intelligence community and they're protecting you. So don't worry.

And I was like, thanks, but who and when? That's really comforting. But it was nice to get a comforting email from the former director of the FBI, Annie McBade. Let's see what else do we have. A new Cindy Yang Mar-a-Lago subpoena that Jordan you covered in the daily episodes this week. We have an astounding revelation about the 2020 census citizenship question.

Jules is going to go over that in the hot notes. Trump accidentally admitted Russia helped him and then deleted the tweet. That was said, Russia, Russia, sure Jan. That was a funny thing. We've got a great interview with the editor-in-chief of Yahoo News, Daniel Clydeman and the co-author of the book, Russian Roulette, which we've covered here in our book club, Michael Isikov, really funny guys, hosts of Skull Duggery, the podcast. And they're going to, there are, in the interview this week, so you don't want to miss that. So we premiered the new theme song for daily beans by they might be giants for our patrons. And that was this week. And patrons also by the way, they get our newsletter, our show notes,

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And first, I want to assure you guys that my cats are not free roaming outdoor cats. I let Bruce Willis out into the backyard every now and again to catch some sunshine, but that's about it. But this is when he caught the bird in question that I told you about removed his wings carefully left them They're they're now in his little Shad where he sleeps bird wings and a squirrel tail and a lizard carcass. He's collecting He's collecting He's ready to do

Making a lift occurs He's ready to do it. He's making a lift occurs. Yeah. I wonder something. He's basically making it so he can catch animals easier. And it just keeps piling up. So yeah, he's not a full like free roaming cat. But you all gave me a great suggestion to put a bell on his collar.

So we can't do a sneak. So that's what we're doing. Thank you for that suggestion. I recommend that all people who are owned by cats get a bell on the collar. Also, please make sure the collar has some stretchy elastic so the cat can escape if it gets stuck on a branch. Try Bird Be Safe collar at birdbesafe.com. Is that... Did they pay for that? No. Okay. That was free. That's a bell collar. Yeah. What if the birds last sausage are just like, I love the Christmas time. They're relaxed by bells.

Like, what if a bell makes them go limp? Well, then, you know, I did my best. With regard to our story last week about Trump pardoning war criminals on Memorial Day, it looks like he didn't go forward with that, by the way. And I'd like to think it was because of all the backlash from the media and veterans groups. But I did say that the people he was thinking of pardoning had all been convicted already, but Gallagher has actually not been tried and convicted yet. So Trump saw his plea deal on Fox News. So it would have been a preemptive pardon. We got a note from a listener about why Blumenthal

asks all Trump appointed judges if Brown V board of education was decided correctly. And it's because these potential judges largely subscribe to a judicial philosophy known as originalism, which holds that judicial ruling should be based on the intended meaning of the wording of a given statute or constitutional amendment at the time it was written, right? And Brown v. Board is a widely accepted landmark case, which is clearly based on subsequent interpretation of the wording of the 14th Amendment that says separate but equal.

And originalists would therefore have to hold that Brown v. Board was decided incorrectly, if they're want to stick to the originalist philosophy, which is what you have to be, if you want to be to the originalist philosophy, which is what you have to be if you want to be on the Federalist list You know that list of judges that Republicans choose from So Blumenthal is forcing the appointee to have to admit their originalist views are really just an excuse for backward conservative judicial activism

So that's why Blumenthal asks about Brownview or but it bored every time and I didn't know that that's really cool Blumenthal asks about Brownview War, but it bored every time, and I didn't know that. That's really cool. Then, during a daily beanspot, I had reiterated a joke by George Carlin about anorexia, and I want you all to know that I know the seriousness of eating disorders. Not firsthand, though my first degree is in behavioral science with an emphasis on addictive disorders. And no one who battles eating disorders chooses to do so. I didn't intend for it.

It was a joke that I re-ed rated from George Carlin. So if you have a problem, you can email him, but he's dead. And now I'm going to get emails because I said he's dead. That's cool. I also, flippantly and erroneously, called Mark Meadows, Tim Meadows. My comedian brain is like, no, I think Tim Meadows is fine. He's just working on Brooklyn 9.9 right now. Yes, you're right. That's Mark Meadows, the asshole in Congress. And then finally, there are no reliable studies that show light-haired, light-skinned folks or gingers have a higher pain threshold or that they are more or less likely to wake up from anesthesia. Interesting. Yeah, just you. Really?

Yeah, that's way, yeah. There's no... Well, I definitely was not just getting that from my own experience. I'm actually kind of a bitch. But... But it's just something that I have heard. And I could have sworn that one of my doctors had said that about anesthesia as well, but probably not. If there's no credible studies, that's such. Sounds like a gingerhater.

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We will get it right eventually. All right, guys, it's time for the week in Molar News, so let's get to it with just the facts. So a news story dropped at the beginning of the week, and it lasted about three minutes because apparently someone saw a draft indictment of Trump in special council's office. But all that was dispelled in Mueller's public address, which we'll go we'll get to that in a minute. But not only were there no draft indictments according to Peter Carr, spokesperson for special counsel, they were also no sealed indictments. As Mueller has said, a sealed indictment would also

break the protocol of the Office of Legal Counsel memo that is considered a longstanding policy in the Department of Justice that you cannot indict a sitting president. In earlier episodes, we thought that would be a way to stop the clock on the statute of limitations for obstruction, which is five years. And then, Jordan, you were wondering about something called tolling, which is where if something happens in a case that prevents the person from being indicted such as a disability, the clock would be stopped, but that doesn't apply here because being president is not a disability. Debatable.

All of which should be. Nor is it listed in the exemptions in the tolling statute. So that's why tolling isn't, can't be applied here. But the statute of limitations clock only starts ticking when the subject stops crime. So if Trump keeps obstructing justice, all of the previous instances of obstruction related to the same genre, or the same, I guess, act, the same subject, all of those can be strung together, meaning Trump would have to get reelected and then stop obstructing justice by January 20th, 2021. And I don't think he's capable of that. So, or 20, yeah, 2020, 2020. January 1st, 2020.

Yeah, he can't just quit that cold turkey, I imagine, because it's probably not going to stop. Try slow turkey. Yeah, I don't know. Chantix. Exactly. No, so it's five years and he would be out of office January 20th, 2025. So it would be January 20th, 2020. So 2020, that's an easy way for you to remember it's stupid face Trump. You gotta stop crying on my birthday next year. Do you think that people will really be dedicated to charging him once he leaves office?

You do think so? I will. I'll go be a lawyer right now. I'll go get, I'll make it to the business arrest. You got enough time to go to law school right now before 2020. That's true. Actually, there's places, there's states.

I think Vermont, you can take the bar without having your JD. That's true. So we're moving to Vermont. So I'll be the next AG in Vermont, AG for AG. No, okay. But anyway, yeah, they can string all those crimes together. It's like how Mueller was able to charge Manafort with old tax and bank crimes

because Manafort kept crime through 2016. So the special council was able to roll all those crimes into the indictment So keep keep doing your thing buddy. We're excited for you And two of the prosecutors this week in the Assange case actually argued against charging him with the espionage act with crimes of espionage because of the risk to the first amendment It's common very it's very common though for lawyers to argue when they're Coming up with the case for prosecutors to disagree with stuff. But the Assange case illustrates that the Trump administration is willing to go further to punish leakers of government secrets, then pretty much any other administration in history,

yet he was willing to pardon dudes for war crimes, but okay. So murder innocent civilians fine, leak government documents, espionage. The case against the Sons was not prosecuted by the Obama administration, but it was Jeff Sessions who urged the District of Virginia to take a second look. And as it turns out, part of the reason these two prosecutors were reluctant to bring charges aside from the first amendment concerns is that they looked at his, they looked at this thoroughly years ago and decided not to prosecute and decided not to bring charges under the Obama administration. Long time stone associate Andrew Miller lost his subpoena battle this week, or he, even that, or he just agreed to testify, and did so this Friday at 9.30 in the morning.

Testified for just over two hours about stone, mostly. I'm going to talk about this in a little bit, but more during the fantasy indictment league later in the show. Because we have some, we got an indictment this week. A lot of you don't know. It's going to be a surprise. I can't wait to tell you. It's related to the Mueller case. Also, this week, federal prosecutors in DC have subpoenaed both Mar-a-Lago and the Trump Victory Fund for records related to rub and tug-le-con Cindy Yang. That's what I call her. If you forgot, she's the lady that owned the massage parlor in Jupiter, Florida, Jupiter. I just love that name for a town.

Jupiter, Florida is one of the center places for when Carnival started up. It was like, where like freak shows, it was one of those locations where there was a lot of freak shows back in the day. American Horror Story has one of their sets in Jupiter, Florida. Oh, that one is Jupiter. I'm like 90% sure.

The clown one? Yeah. Why don't I wonder why it's called Jupiter? Because it's crazy. It's Florida. It's, yeah, everything's crazy there. Every time a Florida man does something, it's probably in Jupiter. I getcha.

So anyway, she's the one that Robert Kraft owner of the New England Patriots was arrested for frequenting her massage parlor. She also not only took photos with folks like Fuck Boy Matt Gates, but she took photos with Chinese businessmen and sold them for access to Trump at $50,000 a pop might be a good idea to put her on your fantasy indictment draft sometime soon. Do you think 50,000 was more or less than what they paid for the massage? Way more. Okay.

Yeah. Just maybe it was a really good massage. Apparently, what? Or was it a package deal? It was like a weekend. We were treats. Yeah, probably. It's a whole resort, right?

And they just use like, gold instead of stones on your back. That's probably a $50,000 massage right there. And then you get to keep the gold after as your payment. Yes. If anyone's hella rich and wants to take this idea, I think certainly needs at least like 2% maybe of the revenue. I'll take 1%. Student loans are, you know, the interest rates are going up.

So I just had a whole movie scene in my head of somebody sucking gold off somebody's dick and then having gold with stick on it. Like what's her name in basic ball where she sucks the chrome off of something in the ship anyway. And then she lays some carpet like literally she gets down and starts laying carpet like they do all these sexual innuendos But she literally does them All right, I haven't seen the movie. Sorry. Oh, it's so good. You need to see basekip ball

Yeah, I've seen the first like 20 minutes. It's I know it's iconic and I don't know why I didn't finish it It's so good. You probably fell asleep. I fall asleep during that a lot unfortunately. It's so good. You'll fall asleep That's my plug for the movie You thought what would you see Godzilla in 3d? I'm so excited to see that yeah All right, so an explosive explosive story dropped this week basically proving that Republican redistricting is totally racist and Motivated solely for the purpose of disenfranchising Democrats mostly people look color. Julia Julius, you have that story for us later in hot notes. And then somebody pull up for me, the Trump tweet. We're he admitted that he, that Russia helped him. It starts out with Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia. Russia, Russia, Russia. And he's like mad. he says something like I can't believe you know the Russians Russia disappeared and

Because I didn't know they helped me win the election or something like that. It's really funny And then he he misspelled something in it and then retweeted it and corrected the misspelling but left the part where he admitted that Russia helped him and then eventually he took the whole tweet down And now he and then he came back on a news conference and said, I didn't say that. No one helped me get elected. You know who got me elected? I got me elected. It was me, yeah, not voters or anything. I just can say not the millions of people who filled out a ballot.

No, no, not those 62 million people. Okay, I think I got it. Oh, why would they tease a photo in the thumbnail and then not have it in the full article? Vox. Okay, it's got to be an image is. Here we go. Russia, Russia, Russia, that one. Yeah. Okay, that's all you heard at the beginning of this witch hunt hoax. And now Russia has disappeared because I had nothing to do with Russia helping me to get elected. It was a crime that didn't exist.

So now the Dems and their partner, the fake news media, da da da. Yeah, he just goes on to a second less entertaining tweet. I'm going to make a meme of that, but use Trump's face in what's our name. The Marshall space, yeah, from the Brady brunch. But that tweet all turns out, when you get in trouble with your parents, you know, of like you stole the car and you come back and you're just like, no, I didn't even take the car. The dent was there, when that time I was driving

another time, you were like, wait, what? You were supposed to be driving and all, you're like, no, I'm going home. Yeah, he totally ratted himself out on that. It's pretty funny. Yeah, I just find it really amusing, but he... Here's the weird thing. Everyone knows Russia helped him get elected. We've known that since 2017 when the I.C. came out with there. Even before that, when it was being public reported. And they interfered to help Trump and hurt Hillary. We all know this. It's in the Mueller report. And that's the Bible, according to Trump, because it exonerated Donald Trump Jr. because he was too stupid to crime. But I mean, it's a well-known fact. And then here he says it. It's so well-known.

And he slips out of his mouth or out of his thumbs into Twitter. And then he deletes it because he doesn't, he's, that to me, it says he doesn't want his base to know, or he wasn't wanting anyone to know, that Russia helped him win the election. Because I mean, he, that's obviously a big thing to him. Wasn't it in McCabe's book where they, he saw this poster on the front of Hope Hicks's desk of his electoral map win or something with his electoral win numbers. It's like, what? Yeah, it's like hung in display or something and the like the waiting area or whatever. Right, yeah, like if you had to wait to go see him.

That's small dick energy. You guys, that's what that means. Yup. And that is not shaming people with small dicks because there are big dick people who have small dick energy. So just want to let you know I'm not dick shaming. I know you guys are against that. We have a bunch of, we have, let's see, there was a stone hearing this week where stone just made up a bunch of crazy bullshit, which is funny. You're going to go over that Jordan. A quick note though, we did get uh, um, an order issued from Judge Jackson, if you're nasty, uh, rejecting stones latest attempt to challenge the designation of his case as related to the Russian hacking indictment. Remember he was fighting that saying these cases aren't related, um, but they're, they're inextricably linked

because stone is mentioned in the Russia case and, and Russia is mentioned in the Stone indictment. So they're inextricably linked, which means they have to be heard by the same judge. And Stone really did not want his case to be heard by Amy Bourbon- Jackson. So he was trying to unrelated to the cases and she's like, nah. So the judge, she's going to continue to be the judge. So that's good news. And then you're going to tell us about how fucking annoyed she is by this a little bit later on. Have you guys ever played the,

what was that outcast song? Where he's like, I'm sorry, Ms. Jackson. I am for real. I feel like that's perfect now, because of him. Yeah. Oh, yeah, we're gonna have to. Yeah, what did I make to make you cry? Oh, that one.

I apologize, I really don't. Yeah, okay, I know that one. That's right Yeah, I'm surprised yeah, I think though. I think someone did a parody of it of Trump Singing it didn't they I had a tweet where I did like the first four verses and like a parody version But someone made it made a video. I haven't looked into it. Yeah, it shows that the comedian who does Trump and I can't remember his name, Obama, the comedian who does Obama, isn't it also? Sarah, put it on your meme list. Yep. Yeah, just making a gesture. Yes, I'm the meme master. We'll take the outcast video and we'll put bars face on it and then Mrs. Jackson's face on

perfect. I'm on it. Yeah, Sarah does like a lot of our memes and social media. So to Sarah, yeah, actually, right? You like to share the Instagram. So watch our stories and look at our posts because it's these cats. One of my favorite ones was fuck you, fuck you, fuck you. Yeah, fuck you. That was my favorite. That was the first time I did it like me in a video. That was AG. Thanks, guys. If you see a post that's really good, it's all Sarah, Valencia. And then if you see a post that's boring, that's me. Yeah, it's tough. Yeah, and if you see one that's rude in the morning before I've had my coffee, it's me.

I do, I get pissy in the morning. Somebody would be like, hey, one thing about this, and I'm like, you shut your face. I don't even fuck talk to you anymore. Like, I'm just so rude on Twitter in the morning. It's like, I don't want to talk to you. You're not a morning person. But I do my best thinking in the morning. It's weird So my brain is alert, but I'm very defensive

Wonder wonder why we also have a bunch of news a bunch of news this week about Mike Flynn And I'm gonna go over that in hot notes and I think we talk about it with skullduggery too a little bit mostly mostly the Mueller Part but we talk about that too and And this week, House Intelligence Committee Chair Adam Schiff wrote a letter to the director of National Intelligence Dan Cotes. Dan Cotes is the guy who was surprised when he found out Putin was gonna be visiting the White House and he doesn't seem like a Trump guy to me.

But he is the director of National Intelligence. And the letter Adam Schiff wrote to him is demanding that any attempt by Bill Barr to declassify national security information needs to be shared with his committee. So basically any request to declassify any information from any of the 17 intelligence agencies by Bill Barr in his quest to investigate the oranges of the Trump investigation needs to be explained to the House Intelligence Committee. Shifts letter came after Senator Mark Warner sent a similar letter to the FBI CIA and NSA urging them to inform the Senate Intelligence Committee of Barr's declassification efforts or investigation threatened the agency's morale

or independence. As we all know, Trump gave unlimited declassification authority to bill Barr for the purposes of investigating the investigation into Trump and we spoke to Andy McCabe a couple weeks ago and learned that after there was already an investigation into Russian election interference a few things happened, right? Trump started mentioning Russia in his speeches, asking them directly to hack Hillary's email. Then once he was elected, he kept doing things like he asked Komi to stop investigating Flynn. He asked for loyalty from Komi, then he fired Komi, then he told Lester Holt, he kept doing things like he asked Komi to stop investigating Flynn. He asked for a loyalty from Komi Then he fired Komi

Then he told Lester Holt he fired Komi because of Russia then he told the Russians he fired Komi And it lifted the cloud of the Russian investigation and then McCabe opened an investigation into whether or not Trump was compromised by Russia Based on what did he say factual articulable based on what did he say, factual, articulable revelations. These are, you know, because he went over this in his book. You have to have a whole set of things lined up to even open, or to even start an investigation, and then to open one, you have to have even more.

So he had all that, and he actually said it would be, it would have been political for us not to. And we can't be political. So then Mueller was unable to find sufficient evidence to prove a broader conspiracy beyond a reasonable doubt. And now Barr has ignored a subpoena to hand over the counterintelligence investigation information to Adam Schiff. So it makes sense that he wrote this letter instructing the DNI to inform him of any D-class effort made by Trump and

Trump's attorney general. Now a new segment called Mana forfeiture, where we talk about all the shit we see from Mana for it in the investigation. No, that's right. We the people have now taken possession of Mana for its apartment in Trump Tower. Probably the source of the server that was communicating with Alpha Bank, but yeah, don't live there. It probably doesn't have sprinklers, I'm sure it's not safe.

And it's probably got like really awful brass fixtures. Like just, ugh, I just don't even want to- You should put it on Airbnb. You should put it on Airbnb. That'll be great. Yeah, we were thinking about somebody said we could turn it into a blind rehab center because Trump refused to put Braille in his tower saying blind people would never live there. What a dick move. How did he not get an ADA lawsuit from that? I don't know.

Gosh. He might have and then maybe he was forced to put Braille in there. Now he just hates blind people because of it because they cost him money. Yeah. It's pretty steep. But actually, probably he had, he hired probably a blind rehab work group to put the braille in and then to stiff them on the bill. That's probably what happened. So on Airbnb with us, be called the treason tower. Yeah. Yeah. Treason tower.

What would be like the gift? You can come, oh, you get to pee on the bed. That's it. It's a literal water bed. Everyone just comes up and takes a shit in there. Just like, it's essentially a hobo, damn. I think also like when you get there you should probably get like, what are Russian vodka just everywhere? I don't know. And like a bear. Yeah, a bear's in there.

One of those like Teddy Nanny cams, the Teddy Bear Nanny cams. Like just randomly, yeah. I don't want and like a bear yeah yeah Yeah, like one of those like Teddy nanny cams the teddy bear nanny cams Like just randomly yeah But it's only like a weird angle so you can't quite see the face because it's a little too far away And it's pretty great But it kind of looks like the cheekbones. Yeah, you guys have seen the video, right? Yeah, and he's like in a weird chair far away like why? Why is there just a random chair there? Which video?

The like supposed video of him doing the whole like, teen thing. I didn't know that that existed. They're, sorry. Yeah. We're sharing a microphone, so we're trying to get my head started out. Yeah, just trying not to make out what Jordan right now. I'm just gonna do ASMR. Make out, make out, make out

No, there's like, if you Google, I think I found it on a weird like Chinese website or something We're not googling anything to do with that ever It wasn't like I intentionally googled it. I think I was googling something else and then the video was like Here's the video and I was like all right I see you Google and I played it and it was like you know it's 2018 or when was it when was it film we're past you know like it looks like it was filmed on a motor roll a razor flip phone okay but even so like our technology is way better than that this person was living in like flip phone era with the most pixelated image, none of the lights are on.

The camera is like, like the Pam and Tommy tape is clearer. Yeah. And it's like 30 feet away. There's a dude in a chair and they're like, that's Trump and you're like, it kind of looks like a bad Trump impersonator, but it could be him, but you're not really sure.

And you're just like, oh, now your Google ads are gonna be all like weird. Oh, they I get a lot of like Russian things in it. And then it's like, um, and then I get a lot of like, make your penis larger and I'm like, I don't have one, but okay. So cannot it. Take both pills. Yeah. I'm just like, there must be a correlation between these two videos. Oh, Lord. Yeah, and that's probably what it is. People who watch those videos need bigger penises. They have small tech energy for sure.

The next Google search is penis enlargement. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh. All right. No emails. That was Cyrillie Steiner. Yeah, just throw that name out there. And so anyway, this apartment, you guys, it's worth $42 to $45 million.

That's just asset for a picture from Manafort alone, making the Mueller investigation the most profitable government program since tariffs on Mexico, which actually is not a profitable program. Tariffs on Mexico cost us money, not them, so whatever. Not my avocados. I know. Our avocado. Yeah, you've all worried about cars.

We're worried about avocados here in California. Although we do grow some here. But not enough. Not nearly enough. But we're not enough avocados. We're going to hoard them. That's what we should do. Just California hordes all the avocados until the red states apologize for all their

bullshit. And then once they allow abortions and build more abortion clinics, we'll hand over the avocados. Actually, I don't think they eat avocados. Yeah, you're right. Fuck. They're probably like you. It's green and mushy.

No. That sounds like a fruit and our vegetable. Yeah, maybe we can, I mean, don't we supply like most of the almonds and I'm trying to think of something Meet right. We have we have a lot of cows here But mostly it's a little bit. Well, they can go hunting there for their own meat We've got the almonds, but they're definitely not a people who drink almond milk Um, that's more of us. That's our bougie

lifestyle choice more lactose intolerant or just intolerant in general. Yeah I wonder if one more lactose intolerant or just intolerant in general. Yeah. Exactly what I was gonna say. Our boozy. Yeah, it's pretty boozy. That's for sure. But if we hold back like, I don't know, bullets, are there any bullet manufacturers in California?

We don't even have a cabela in the state. So what I love, like when people, when they, you know, the first talk about the opacados, like I was like, oh, everyone's all like worried about opacados. I'm like, hey, when they, you know, the first talk about the opacados, like I was like, oh, everyone's all like worried about opacados. I'm like, hey, there's kids and cages. Yeah. Just saying. But the opacados, Sarah.

Oh, yeah. Oh, priorities. My bad. Exactly. And, and please understand that even if we don't report on the kids in the cages every week, it's not because we don't think it's important. Oh, yeah.

We live in San Diego. We see it first hand. It's true, but you know, a lot of people don't know that. Are they not familiar with the fact that, or, you know, if they're just coming in and listening to our show for the first time, they don't know that we've been screaming about it up until this point. So we do sometimes get emails about that. Like how can you talk about avocados when, you know, children are dying.

It's like, because life is so sad right now that you have to laugh. That's very true. Yeah. And so avocados are funnier than children dying. It's like, because life is so sad right now that you have to laugh. That's very true. And so avocados are funnier than children dying. At least easier to make fun of. Yes. I'm sure somebody has, but not us. All right. And for the first time ever, Robert Swan Muller gave a rare televised statement about his findings. And to, and this to me was a lot like the fact that he wrote that letter to Bill Barr, very rare a statement on the record to make basically make sure America knows he did not exonerate the president. Basic message, Trump didn't not obstruct justice, that's what he said, and read my fucking report. That's basically the two main takeaways.

Fortunately, you can listen to it in the Mueller she wrote, special coverage episodes every Thursday evening, the Mueller report. You don't have to read it. You can listen to it, or you can get it free on Audible or download the PDF for free or buy it on Amazon if you prefer to have a book in your hand. But read the thing, just read it. Now, you're not the target audience, really,

because you guys pretty much know, the Mueller report is basically an outline of our podcasts since day one. So you don't really need to know as much as that woman who we saw on the news that she was at the Justin Amash town hall and who got who he got he got he got a stay he got a standing ovation for talking about impeaching Trump and his in his district in Michigan. I think it's in Michigan. And there was a woman in the audience and she was like, I was totally surprised. I had no idea there was anything in the Mueller report

that was bad about Trump until my Republican representative told me I watch Fox News and I didn't realize he had had anything to do with obstruction of justice. And that is going to be the case for a lot of Americans. And these aren't the ones that are assholes that are screaming on Twitter. They have made up their minds. They're just anti there and denial. These are just average regular everyday folks who watch Fox News and listen to their Republican reps and listen to the television

and listen to their attorney general and their president and think that he's completely innocent of all these crimes. And that's why we have to get this out there. So I'm, you know, the message isn't really for you guys to listen to the podcast, but we, you know, obviously please do. But I don't know, tell somebody that you know that's maybe like that that needs to hear it. Like, hey, just listen to this. It's funny and they're nice ladies. One's a doctor. One's a veteran. Do you say, say that?

Yeah. She's a veteran. I can say as somebody who has family, who's hardcore conservative and like has, you know, at one of their houses, the Fox News channel is the only channel that's on. And you listen to it where it's like the comparison to CNN, no matter who the host is, they might be talking about the same subject. So it doesn't matter if you like lemon or if you like Anderson, you're gonna get the details. Whereas Fox News each host talks about their own thing but if they talk about the molar investigation it's just straight up like no collusion moving on and there really are no details about it and even like the night of the molar speech

um oh god who is the guy? Who's the guy from San Diego, who has brown hair on Fox News? Yeah, he's from here. I'm totally blanking on his name, but he, like the one who hasn't been, like had sexual harassment allegations and is still there, though, one of the OGs that's still there.

His whole thing was like just focusing on the border tariffs and just like, no comment, no acknowledgement of Mueller having that statement, but just like Mexico. Yeah, that seems to kind of be their go-to shift is either the Mexico trade deal or anything else from Mexico is horrible and we have to immigration reform. Tucker Carlson was

Tucker Carlson. Yeah and then he focuses on. Both time. Yeah. From here. Yeah. He kind of looks like a San Diego guy. I could see that. Wait, wait, wait. La Jolla.

Yeah. He's not like loose change. Yeah. No and then he'll like focus a whole hour on one person who had been deported, who came back and then committed a crime. Yeah, like they're one of the one of the six. Yeah. Yeah. And you're like Trump signed their photos. Do you remember that one? Yeah, the press conference and had loved ones come up and show giant photos of their dead loved ones that were killed by immigrants somehow. And then Trump autographed their dead relatives photos.

That is so appalling. I know. I know. Oh my god. He's just an idiot. I know. People love him. It's weird. It freaks me out. Let's see. Moller also addressed the option of testifying to Congress saying he didn't really want to. But quote, beyond what I've said here today and what's in the report, I do not believe it's appropriate for me to speak further about the investigation. The report is my testimony. Basically, read the fucking report. Yeah.

Okay. So like, when I was watching that in real time with a conservative family member, I felt like it was him like two minutes, then he walks away and it was the equivalent of when you call technical support. And you're like, I don't understand what's going on. Can you break it down for me? And they're like, well, we gave you a manual. Did you read it? And you're like, yeah, no, it's 400 pages. I don't have time for this. They're like, well, we gave you an index. And you're like, ah, and then they're like, okay, well, we're done. Can you fill out the survey on your experience? You're like, no, just tell me what I need to know. Yeah, it's the terms of service agreement

that no one reads of politics. We gotta talk about something really important. Hearing Robert Mueller's voice. Yes. Yes. Was that the first time anybody has like, he has seen, I feel like that's the first time I've heard. I've watched old videos like porn,

like I felt dirty about it I yeah, I've watched old videos of him speaking. It was my first time. Yeah, my it was my first time to My dad was in the room. So it was kind of weird Time kind of just stopped for a second. How do you know it was your dad? It was kind of far away in a fuzzy camera I kind of just stopped for a second. How do you know it was your dad or was he kind of far away in a fuzzy camera? Oh, so that's not out of focus.

Oh. I need to go take a shower. I'm so uncomfortable. A lot of people have asked why Mueller even bothered investigating. If he knew from day one, he couldn't indict the president. And here's what he said.

He said, quote, the opinion, the Office of Legal Counsel opinion, the one that says you can't indict a setting president. He said, quote, the opinion, the Office of Legal Counsel opinion, the one that says you can't indict a setting president. He said, the opinion explicitly permits the investigation of a sitting president, because it's important to preserve evidence while memories are fresh and documents are available. Among other things, that evidence could be used if there

were co-conspirators who could be charged now. And to quote my conservative family member, they knew they weren't gonna get far from the get-go, but they wasted their time and they wasted our tax dollars and everybody who got indicted was just some BS tax charges because anybody can have issues with the RS because the tax code's so complicated

that they can get you if they really wanted to. But it's like, okay. That's actually the best argument I've heard. So far, I guess. I was like, okay. That's actually the best argument I've heard. So far, I'm like, yeah, and then from a college drop out. One semester. Here's another thing he was clear about. He said he had insufficient evidence to charge a broader conspiracy.

And those were his words. He did not say there was no evidence of coordination. There was plenty Just not enough to charge a broader conspiracy beyond a reasonable doubt, right? And not only that his report says he probably could have found that evidence had Trump cooperated and his buddy's not destroyed evidence And if they didn't use encrypted apps and shit like that it would have shed a whole new light on or put in a new light I think is what he said a some of the events that that occurred He said he was resigning from the Department of Justice in closing the special counsel's office. The big

line of the speech, of course, was, if we had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so. And that's what I mean by he didn't not obstruct justice. He won't come out and say he did. And he was pretty clear about why he wouldn't do that. He says, it's the way he reads the Office of Legal Counsel memo. So the Office of Legal Counsel memo is that you can't indict a sitting president. And the reason you can't indict a sitting president is because a person who's accused of a crime in this country needs to have his day in court. And you know, for whatever reason, the Trump Trump can't go to court. I don't know why. I have to read the memo myself.

But again, because I've read it twice and it's still a lot in there that I don't understand. But I'm maybe I'll sit down and read it with Elizabeth McLaughlin or something. She can explain it to me. But his point and he said this is that even short of inditing the president, even if I just say he committed a crime, the man would not have the opportunity to defend himself through legal means because you can't indict a sitting president. So that's his read of the OLC memo and that's why he's, and he's just super conservative when we knew that about him already.

So that's pretty much why he's not even saying he committed a crime. So basically, that sentence, I remember, I had to re-read that. A lot of this stuff, I had to re-read all over again. I kind of wanted to make my own, just dumb down version. Like, hey, basically what he's saying is that he's shady, but we can't do anything about it Yeah, yeah, that's kind of like it's basically how I Interminating it was honestly like we listened to the podcast and like we work with you guys

So we know what's like going on, but then Sarah and I are just like so what they really mean is like this fool Yeah, yeah, just like the don't me so we're here like what? No, no, it totally makes sense, right? And that's why I say he didn't not obstruct justice. Yeah. Because he didn't say Trump obstructed justice. Well, he did. He just took him 200 pages in a bunch of evidence.

That's what he said. He just handed over the evidence that he did. And he even handed it, like, in order to obstruct justice, you have to have three things for each occurrence. You have to have the obstructive act and then something about it in excess of something and then another thing and tent. He actually spelled out all the requirements that you need to charge someone with that crime, that to meet the threshold of not only being able to indict, but have that indictment stick or that charge stick to someone.

So by the rules of federal crime or something. Yeah, I really learned the importance of words with this whole investigation. Like I've always known words what you say is really important, but everything is so strategic. When they're talking about this stuff, and I just thought, like, I'm just really, like I always knew words were important,

but just from all of this, it's like, wow, you know, I really need to be careful with what I say and how I say it. Yeah. Yeah. So on Trump's last day, as he's like handing over the keys to the White House to the next person and is walking out the second he gets off those steps, can they indict him finally? Mm-hmm. Oh my gosh. Oh, I can't wait. That would be so magical of like,

you know how they do the big ceremony. I'm like, the turning over of the house and everything. And then like, what if Mueller just pops out of the limo that's there to pick him up and he's like, bitch! Got you. Just grab and take him into the show. Yeah.

Be precious. Oh, I'm sorry. I don't do this. They hand him a Tiffany's box and he opens it. And it's like, hand up. You're a bit sorry. You're a bit sorry. They hand him a Tiffany's box and he opens it and it's like you're in sir Whatever was a Tiffany but it says return to Mueller Oh, it found yeah, that's good

Let's see he also said quote when a subject of an investigation obstructs that investigation or lies to investigators it strikes at the core of the government's effort to find out the truth and hold wrongdoers accountable. That right there is saying the bitch obstructed justice. Why would he be talking about what obstruction of justice means if he didn't obstruct justice? He also said the Constitution requires a process other than criminal justice system, other than the criminal justice system to formally accuse a sitting president of wrongdoing. That's Jelisa, your toss of the mic to Papadoc, caught tossing the mic to

Congress. Basically like, hey, on you both, you're your job now, if you know, figured out. And to me, that said, all right, you guys, impeach him. Yeah. That's up to you guys, you know, but he, of course, he can't say that. He's apolitical, right? He has to remain totally neutral. But just the fact that he made this statement and said things like, I did not exonerate the president, co-conspirators can be charged now, obstruction strikes at the core. Like, just that he's saying these things was pretty amazing to me

that he even just came out and did it. He was clearly so pissed at bar for mischaracterizing his findings that he's like, all right, I'll fucking make a statement, but I don't want to, you wanna. I can't appear political. Go give your grandma a hug. I don't want no. And then he said, I will close by reiterating the central allegation of our indictments, that there were multiple systematic efforts to interfere in our election, and that allegation deserves the attention of every American So and then he dropped the mic. Yes

Straight up to like muller out And then Trump had a temper tantrum about Muller's public statement He said to reporters that Muller is conflicted. He's massively conflicted He wanted to be my FBI director practically begged me to be the director And I didn't hire him So he treats Donald Trump unfairly, just kind of referred himself in the third person He's conflicted over a golf property membership fees He's too conflicted just massively conflicted and then he called the members of Mueller's team the worst people in the history of the world

Really the worst the worst in the history of the worst. Worse than the Nazis, okay. Alright, the bar is low. Oh, God, so much to say, so little time. Right? I could spend the next three hours listing off worse people. But could you imagine if he became the FBI director, like, what if he was begging to do it so he could get insider access?

That would be fine. Oh, that would be fine. I don't think Robert Mueller begs No, yeah, and I feel like he's a little too ethical in terms of like if he had gotten a job He wouldn't have necessarily like turned over his Awesome, but still like If there was a little bit of unethicalness in him Get it ladies all right Oh! Get it, ladies. All right.

But Christopher Ray has said, he's the current FBI director installed by Trump. He said, like, no, we're not spying. No one's spying. Shut up. I mean, he's like, fuck you. And so he's already kind of like done, done, ski, with bar and Trump, but he, you know, he's there. And he's definitely a conservative, definitely a Republican.

So, let's see a conservative definitely Republican. So let's see Trump also tweeted we talked about this earlier the Russia Russia Russia tweet That's just so sad And you know He's he's pretty much reeling from Mueller statement Trump. He's just So incensed because even though we all knew Mueller didn't exonerate the president No one had said it live on television for everyone to hear. And that has garnered so much attention as the Mueller

statement did. And that's why we need to get an open, for me, this is why we need to open an impeachment inquiry, get Mueller and McGahn, Donaldson, Andy Donaldson, any series of legal experts and former prosecutors to testify and publicly televised hearings. It's so important just to get it on television so that people like that woman at the Amash rally

hear it, you know, and unfortunately, it won't air on Fox, which is. I mean, the beauty of the molar speech is that it's short and concise. So, you know, people can go out there and they can listen to the whole, like, what is it, three minutes essentially? They can listen to the whole.

Eight minutes. It's eight minutes. It still felt too long. It still felt too short. I got four orgasms in. So it's like, oh man. Woo! Like clockwork. I'm totally joking. Oh, sorry everybody. I can't tell you the emails I feel them. But I feel like, you know, within those eight minutes, you had multiple sound bites that could be used. I felt like there was a little bit of an underlying goal of getting those soundbites points so that they could have the potential of getting on those other news channels. Yeah, the big one, if we could have exonerated the president, we would have, but we can't. Yeah. So we will. Yeah. I'm still paraphrasing because his wording is so precise. Yeah, it is very precise.

Exactly right. And then it's seemingly to try to calm Trump down. Barr told ABC that he disagrees with Mueller's statement that he made on television, saying he could and should have made the determination about obstruction but dropped the ball by not doing so. Thereby leaving the Attorney General in Snoop Dogg, no choice but to draw their own conclusion without having even looked at the underlying evidence, which bar himself admitted. He said, when asked if he could see in the underlying evidence and he said, no. But you made a call on obstruction. Yes. Okay. Cool beans. And then, um, I, you know, I just find it really odd that he said, well, he, you know, he failed to do his job, he could have made a call on obstruction if he wanted to.

And to me, he's his boss. And if you are, it's like somebody works for me and they don't do something, I'll tell him to do it. Like, why would you just take it into your own hands and not be like, look, dude, I read your shit, you gotta make a call on obstruction. Why would you not tell him that and then make your own decision? It doesn't make any sense. So he's lying. But we all need

that. So here we are. And the calls from Peachman are getting louder. But Pelosi doesn't want to move forward unless they're supporting the Senate. And she's also trying to say that she's waiting for the American public to get behind it. Nathler said that too. And I don't get that at all. Like, I don't think for one second the Senate, first of all, will ever vote to convict or remove Trump. But that's not why impeachment inquiry should be opened. You don't open an impeachment inquiry only if it's going to be successful. Right? Like cops don't arrest someone only if, you know, they're going to eventually be able to put them in jail.

Like, that's not how it works. No, but isn't that kind of the goal of the arrest? And I mean, Pelosi's been around the block enough that she remembers the Bill Clinton impeachment process and it is very time consuming and it's a lot of work to go through if you're not going to get the end result you want. Yeah, but we need to go through that work to get the information out to the public. And if you don't punish the president through impeachment, which is the only way he can be punished, then you're basically telling all future shithead presidents to go ahead and do whatever you want.

Crime all day, we're not going to hold you accountable. I think it makes us look weak too to our enemies. Yeah, I feel like I'm just really disappointed in how like just just seeing how much corruption happens and you don't see a whole lot of justice that goes along with that. And I don't know, sometimes I get like just really sad about that. Like I just I'm like I makes me not have faith in the American justice system because it's just I've to me it just seems like well if you're rich then you can get away with every with whatever you want because if If there were anybody else to do what Trump did they would be They would be indicted. Yeah, for sure. It is depressing and I think I think both

Comey and McCabe covered this in their books after 9-11, all of our money went to counterterrorism. None of it goes to white collar crime. And even when it does, you know, Manafort, what, got four years for stealing millions of dollars from the American people. Sorry, didn't mean to be a downer. Money on that.

Get out. OK, but I think we need the legal standing of an impeachment inquiry in the house to enforce the subpoenas and get the materials that they need to investigate. That's another thing. When you open an impeachment inquiry, doesn't mean you're going to impede your drop articles of impeachment, just means you're investigating. When you open up that inquiry, you effectively turn the house into a grand jury. And so the subpoenas have more durability, oddly enough.

You would think a congressional subpoena would like stand on its own as being something forceful, but you do have more of a legal standing to get those subpoenas through the court system faster and so forth. So what subpoenas do you think would still need to be done after the Mueller investigation? Like how much are there holes within the Mueller report that we need to further investigate? No, we just need to get it on TV so people can figure out what's in the Mueller report. No one's going to read that.

Except us. Except everyone's listening. Yeah, and all of us. But yeah, it's just we just need to get it on television. We need to get an on front of you know the flyover states and People who don't pay attention to the news who yeah only listen to what maybe the attorney general said because you're supposed to be able to trust the fucking attorney general And that's what's freaking me out so much is the is that I don't have any any confidence that are

That the Department of Justice is independent. That's what scares me. So not only that, but we need the counterintelligence reports from the FBI about Trump being a Russian asset. And opening it in query, like I said, doesn't mean you even have to draw up articles of impeachment. It's just an investigation that has the word impeachment in it. But you know, it also gives the house the tools it needs to stop fucking around, basically. But I think Jalice, you brought up this point last week where you were talking about,

we were talking to the skull duggery guys. And I think somebody had brought up the point that at some point you're going to lose impeachment, whether you open an inquiry and don't go to full impeachment or drop articles, you've lost impeachment, right? Or if you do impeach and then it goes to the house floor and you lose there and it goes to the house floor and they pass the articles of impeachment, it goes to the Senate and you lose there. At some point you're going to lose because the Senate will not remove and convict this

crippler, convict and remove this president. And if you lose impeachment, that's gonna be what Trump runs on in 2020. I can hear it, I can hear it. Like, which hunt, no collusion, no obstruction, then they tried to impeach me, they failed, it's a coup attempt, I could just hear him using it.

That's gonna be the platform anyway. I mean, there's gonna be the platform anyway. He's going to say that no matter what, the Senate's never going to remove. So, you know, some of the other arguments his base might get electrified, you know, after, after this, maybe, maybe Trump wants to be impeached fine. Let's, let's do it. But the decision to open an inquiry shouldn't be should be based on nothing but two facts. The president broke the law and its Congress is duty. Those are the only two things that you should be considering when none of the, you know, what if it electrifies his base, we can't do other shit in Congress, like healthcare or the Senate's not on board. I just, there's, those are all empty arguments to me.

There's no proof, first of all, in the history of the world, that impeachment of Trump would hurt the Democrats. Secondly, we can do other shit while we run an impeachment inquiry. And now that it matters because Turtle Dick Mitch has blocked every single bill that the House has passed. So even if we write bills, he's not gonna even bring them to a vote in the Senate.

We can't get anything done until we flip the Senate in 2020. Come on, do it. And, you know, the Senate's never going to be on board because half of them took Russian money, either from straw donors or the RNC, where both deputy finance directors had to resign for being fucking gross or from the National Rifle Association dark money donors, that Steve Manuchin gave a pass to last July when he changed the rules saying 501 C4s don't have to report the names of their donors. And he's under investigation by Tiss James, by the way, in New York for that right now. So that's cool.

Tiss James filed that thing like, hey, Menuchin, I asked you for a bunch of documents about why you decided to change your policy on an RA not having to name their donors. You never gave me anything. I'm fucking soon, you know. I have a slogan idea for them. They could do a dark money light treason. I like it. I hear a song too. Let's make it happen. But anyway, stop fucking around. Open in impeachment inquiry. We'll be right back. Muller Shee wrote is brought to you by Story Worth. Story Worth makes a great father's day gift, and you can get it last minute so that really helps me out because I always do everything last minute. So how does it work? Well basically you purchased a subscription for someone you love like your dad. I got one from my

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But first, Jalisa, tell us another reason Republicans are racist. Yeah. Oh, gosh. where do I begin? So Thomas Hoffler, he is what's considered to be the Michael Angelo of Jerry Mandarin, according to New York Times. He had a huge role in the citizenship question

being added to the 2020 census. So this was actually discovered almost a year after he died by his estranged daughter. It's kind of like a mysterious horror movie plot. She recently found hard drives in his home that revealed Hofler wrote a study in 2015 that said adding a citizenship question to the census would quote, allow Republicans to draft even more extreme gerrymandered maps to stymie Democrats. So yeah, the whole point of this question we're now figuring out, which we suspect it was

racist, we don't have proof, is just to help Republicans. And fact, months after urging Trump and his team to add the question, Haffler even wrote the key parts of a draft Justice Department letter that claimed the question was needed to quote, enforce the 1965 Voting Rights Act. So somehow they're excused for all of this is that it's for the good of the minorities.

It's like, hey, we just want to enforce something that already exists. Make sure that it's all good, you know? Sort of that Russian thing that whole play it to where, if you're doing something, say it's for the opposite reason. So like if you're being racist, say it's to combat racism. Right. Just a throw-off ascent. Right. Like not even just something that it's not. Don't just lie about it. Say the exact opposite thing. Right, right. Just totally calling their bluff. Yeah, it's not. Like don't just lie about it. Say the exact opposite thing.

Right, right. Just totally calling their bluff. Yeah, it's ridiculous. And all these documents have been cited in a federal court filing now by opponents of the citizenship question. And as many of you already know, the Supreme Court is soon expected to rule only gallery of the question. Of course, some critics are saying that by adding the question, the Trump administration would be deteriorating immigrants from being counted and quote, shift political power to it says bitch Republican areas. I don't even know how that typo happened. But I mean it. I now mean it.

To bitch Republican. Yeah. I like it. Bitch ass. Pretty much and these people aren't speaking up and having their existence acknowledged and they have no representation. Like no funds will be sent to them. People won't even consider them in major policies.

So it just sucks for minority communities. And the justices are expected to make a final ruling before their term is up in late June. So I mean, that's now, well, you know, this is my- Yeah, and apparently they didn't get this information before. Mm-hmm. So I don't know if they're gonna take this information,

this new information from this dead guy. I really do account So that I mean it's it's such a big deal. I wonder if you could refile what like new evidence came to light. There's got to be some way that like I've seen that happen all the time. Yeah yeah. So there's at least a filing that maybe separate from the the court but like this is a federal court filing in itself. These documents yeah but you're saying it might not be considered in the Supreme Court case, right? It's all right, they've already heard the argument. Wow. Well, I hope this counts for something

that maybe they can bring it up again. That's what I'm saying, like, in a file. Like, say, we do know that it's came to light, you know. Yeah, we really hope so. Otherwise, why would they file it in a federal court just to get it on the record just on principle or something? Yeah, it has to relate to something. Right, raise awareness, I guess.

Well, I do learn from a correction this week that when I mentioned the midweek that in nearly 230 years, the census has never included a question about citizenship. Apparently, it has in the past, but it's been scrapped and then that was like in the 1800s. It's like, I haven't made any sense. It's been a long-ass time, America, damn. Yeah, I'm just bad at math. But yeah, apparently they addressed this before and the idea was scrapped and they made me like

a whole new sense, it's because it was just such a stupid idea. So yeah, now we're back to the 1800s, I guess, make America great again, right? Oh, man. Yeah, that was a really great time. Definitely. For me, a black-ade woman, specifically. Yeah, exactly. You had the

best of time. Oh, yeah, take me back. Just exclusively eating cured meats. Chitlins. All right. Well, yeah, that's that. We'll see what happens this month. Thanks for that hot note. Thank you. Thank you. Jordan, tell me all the ways Roger Stone and Noa had judged Jackson this week. Yeah, so Stone's lawyers filed some motions. They were in Judge Amy Berman Jackson's court. That's a nice way to put it. Yeah, it is. It's the most official sounding way to introduce what they did.

They filed some motions. So they were in her court on Thursday with another route of arguments that were all voted most likely to fail in high school, fun fact. So first, they argued that Stone can't be charged with lying to Congress because in order for that to happen, Congress has to give the criminal referral to prosecutors. As Attorney said, that it is up to Congress to enforce its own rules. But actually that's not what's supposed to happen because the body that makes the laws should not also be the body enforcing them. That's kind of the

whole point of separation of powers. So that argument is really dumb. I was doing some research on the exact language of that relates to this. And I found a document entitled prosecution of criminal offenses against Congress that you can Google or I can put in the newsletter that sort of outlines that if that's it's all, if that's interesting to you. But Judge Jackson responded to this argument by saying that Congress has made it clear that prosecutors can enforce a law that makes it a crime to lie to Congress, and she doesn't understand how it offends separation of powers. So the next one, the next argument they brought was that the DOJ had improperly funded special counsel, because the funding was supposed to be set aside for independent

counsel, not special counsel. So they're saying they shouldn't have had the money to even do this in the first place. And so everything they did was invalid. Yeah. Because you paid for it wrong. Okay. And assistant, US attorney Adam Jed, who is also a former member of Mueller's team, said that in the in legal circles, the term independent council is often used to describe attorneys that are especially named a conduct sensitive investigations with assurances of independence. So basically these arguments were getting shot down left and right, which I imagine is what was happening is

stone in high school and is possibly his origin story, just getting shot down constantly. That's the only thing like What creates these kinds of people? I hate to relate it all to relationship dynamics, it looks sex dynamics. The way they interpret rejection, some people just don't have self-reflection enough to realize that they could be a part of the problem.

They're like, oh, I just, you know, in cell sometimes. Like, yeah, it's not a lot of just projection. It's like comedian to blame the crowd. Exactly. Rejection really fucks people up forever. And then they just keep swinging though. And then I'm swinging a miss. Oh yeah, whether it's, oh, he's a swing or two.

Whether it's whether it's a court document. Or a Roger Stone. Yeah. Yeah. But Jackson didn't make any decisions on Thursday and she also didn't say when she would. So the ruling on those motions is yet to be determined last I checked. One hundred ruling on those motions is yet to be determined.

Last I checked. One hundred percent of my beans, he loses them all. Yeah. One hundred percent. That was just so stupid. His, like, Judge Jackson's last nerve is probably taped to the bottom of that guy's shoe. He's just always stepping on it.

Yep. All right, let's see here. A couple weeks ago, Judge Sullivan, who was overseeing the Flynn case, issued a couple of minute orders. Remember, this is a guy who was at Flynn's sentencing hearing who was like, you don't want me to sentence you today. Oh, yeah. No, go ahead.

No, you don't want, no, you don't. Did you check on treason for this guy? Get him the fuck out of my courtroom. You go and help cooperate and then come back and talk to me. It's that guy. So he issued a couple of minute orders a couple weeks ago, or basically ordered the government to hand over the redacted portions of the Mueller report

that involved Flynn, along with the transcripts of a voicemail left by a Trump lawyer to Flynn's lawyer, dangling a pardon and witness tampering, and the transcripts of the calls between Flynn and Kisleyak. Those conversations with Kisleyak were the contacts Flynn lied about, and everybody lied about, to the FBI, which is partly what prompted Sally Yates to meet with people at the White House and warn them

about Flynn being compromised. In an effort to get the administration to act on that warning, it wasn't just a friendly, hey, this is sketch, just wanted you to know kind of warning. Yates said she was warning the White House so that they would take action on Flynn. Basically, fire the dude, he's compromised, he, kind of warning. Yates said, um, she was warning the White House so that they would take action on Flynn. Basically fire the dude. He's compromised.

He lied to the FBI. I have proof. So the deadline for the government to comply with these orders to release the materials was Friday, this past Friday. And we got the government's response early in the afternoon. I thought it would be around midnight, but we got it early in the afternoon from a four-page court filing. First, they released the transcript of the voicemail from Trump's lawyer to Flynn's lawyer, which we got it early in the afternoon from a four-page court filing. First, they released the transcript of the voicemail from Trump's lawyer to Flynn's

lawyer, which we got most of in the Mueller report in volume two, which outlines all the obstruction of justice violations committed by Trump. But the major difference between what was in the Mueller report and this transcript we got Friday is that John Doud is mentioned by name. And there were a few bits left out here and there, but here's the full transcript. He says, hey Rob, this is John again. Maybe I'm sympathetic. I understand your situation, but let me see if I can state it in stutter terms. If you have, and it wouldn't surprise me if you've gone on to make a deal with work with the government. I understand you can't join the defense,

the joint defense, so that's one thing. If on the other hand, we have, there's information that implicates the president, then we've got a national security issue or maybe a national security issue. I don't know, some issue we got to deal with. We got to deal with, not only for the president, but for the country.

So, you know, then, you know, we need some kind of heads up just for the sake of protecting all of our interests, if we can, without you having to give up any confidential information. So, and if it's the former, then, you know, remember what we've always said about the president and his feelings towards Flynn, and that still remains, but in any event, let me know. And I appreciate you listening and taking the time. Thanks, pal. Thank you. Thank you. That was word for word with the stutters and the ums and the repeats. That's what it says. That's great. Thank you. I'm available for voiceover work when I read it.

But that's the voice mail transcript from Dowd to Flynn's great. Thank you. I'm available for voice overwork whenever you need it. But that's the voice mail transcript from Dowd to Flynn's lawyer. Dowd, at the time, was Trump's lawyer. And we know from the Mueller report that Flynn's attorney returned the call, said they were no longer in a position to share information under any sort of privilege. And Dowd was indignant and vocal in his disagreement

and said that he interpreted what they said as a reflection of Flynn's hostility towards Trump and he was going to tell Trump about it and Flynn's attorney took that as an attempt to make them reconsider their position. That's pretty blatant witness intimidation and clear obstruction of justice. However, in the same reply from the government that where they gave the voicemail over which was signed by Jesse Liu, the DC U.S. attorney. You remember she was being considered for the number three job in the Department of Justice, but was ultimately left in DC.

And this letter was also signed by Van Grack, who is the guy from Mueller's team that has been put in charge of the new FARA enforcement unit at main justice. That's the Foreign Agency, foreign agents registration act. And so they have a whole new unit over at Department of Justice. Can I need that for Tony and Tony? Yeah, for sure. And he's in charge of it. And their response, this is their response regarding the other two orders by Sullivan

about handing over the Kisley out conversations and the redacted Flynn portions of the Mueller report. They basically said nah. And they didn't really give a reason. Usually you get something like, we can't release this as classified information or classified conversations have to go through a process to be released. But instead, we'll talk about it behind closed doors,

but they didn't even say that. They just said about the Mueller report that Flynn's portions are already out to the public and everything that's redacted are grand jury materials or sources and methods and we can't already out to the public and everything that's redacted are grand jury materials or sources and methods, and we can't release those to the public. Van Grack and Jesse Liu then said about the Kisliak conversations, and this is hard to follow, but they say, quote,

the government is not relying on any other recordings of any person for purposes of establishing the defendant's guilt or determining his sentence, nor are there any other recordings that are part of the sentencing record, which kind of is basically saying, Judge, you shouldn't want to see the Kisley out conversations because they're not relevant to sentencing. But lying about those conversations is a central charge against Flynn. And perhaps they're trying to say, you don't need to know the substance of the conversations

he lied about, just that he lied about them. Maybe that's, you know, but say that then, usually words. Doesn't matter what they talked about, I think is their point, but I would think that the content of the conversation would be the entire point of proving why someone lied about the conversation in the first place, right? Like you need to know what they were saying. Yeah, maybe they're like, if they actually hear it,

it could influence them emotionally, where they're like, if they actually hear it, it could influence them emotionally. Where they're like, oh, fuck this guy. Right? Really hearing him do it. And he really did it. But they already had evidence that he did it before. Right. And you, or you just say that, say we think it would, you know, taint the feelings of the defendant, you know, something, I don't know, but they didn't say that. And it's kind of a bold move because judges orders are judges orders, right? Generally prosecutors don't know, but they didn't say that. And it's kind of a bold move because judges orders are judges orders, right? Generally prosecutors don't, you don't want to ignore the judges' order. And first I thought, uh-oh, Sullivan's going to be pissed, right, about them not complying with

his orders. But a lot of experts are saying that this might actually be easily explained. Dovelin Barrett, his National Security Reporter for Washington Post, says that even though the whole world knows these phone calls took place, the prosecutors have never publicly acknowledged them. Even in the filing for the case, at moments where Flynn said in his testimony, I know you guys probably recorded these phone calls anyway, that sentence is redacted. So the government is in a position of not acknowledging these calls even exist. And now a judge is telling them to make them public. So he goes on to explain that the judge does not have the authority on

his own to declassify stuff. So the prosecution here is kind of doing a dance. And this is just the first salvo, right? To because to declassify stuff, the prosecution here, you know, it's going to declassify stuff, the prosecution here, it's gonna take a back and forth, and this might be the first step. Like when you are trying to sell a car and you start high, and then you eventually get down and you do that on purpose, this is kind of their first sort of go at it. Yeah, knowingly vague response,

as part of their declassification dance, that they're probably going to start doing. So we expect Sullivan to come back and say, what's the deal? You know what I ask for? Give it to me. And then maybe you'll get a sealed response to that. Maybe a closed door hearing about the material. Maybe you could read it in a skiff.

This kind of thing happens a lot, apparently, where there's classified information and the government wants to keep it secret and a judge debates pressing the government to declassify, but it's ultimately the agency's call. Wait, okay, sorry. I'm realizing I've completely misunderstood this entire thing. It's the prosecution that doesn't want to declassify that. Yeah, it's van grab.

It's Mueller's team. Okay, my bad. Totally zoned out on that car. He done this before too. He's usually the one that we don't expect to be like hiding at, but he kind of has a habit of this, right? Mueller. Yeah. Well, this is, it's not Mueller's team. It's the DC US Attorney's office. Oh, okay. But yeah, that's, it's, it's, it's two of the, it's, well, VanGrak was on

Mueller's team. Right, right. It's their ways. Yeah, that seems like so nonsensical. I didn't even register. Right. Right. But they put those two things together. Yeah, that's right. I was like, this is from Von Grack, the Faroei unit guy. This is from them. The prosecution does not want to release those. So this, again, this could just be the beginning of a long back and forth. Flynn has a sentencing hearing update June 14th. We're going to be in Minneapolis that day. But if there's a long back and forth, this could push Flynn sentencing back. But Barrett says Sullivan is the kind of judge that demands a lot from the government.

But one of the being unknowns here is how many other conversations like this were recorded, because that's part of what the judge ordered to. Yeah. Not just the Kisley out conversations, but all conversations associated with the case. So it's probably just like an on principle thing then, huh? Maybe they don't want to set the precedent or something that they declassified any information that a judge asks for or something. I don't know.

Because yeah, like what specific reason for that recording would they have to not want that? Yeah, I have a thing to address that in a few sentences. Payment? Well, let's see, it could be that the judge could get the information for himself to inform his sentencing, but the public might never see those conversations. That's a possibility. But one thing I wanted to bring up that this reminded me of, is back in June of 2017, I think there was a hearing where Lindsey Graham was pushing the intelligence community to tell him

if his conversations have been recorded. And if he'd ever be able to know about it, he asked them for over six minutes about his conversations. Are my conversations with Russians recorded? You guys got me on the line recorded? Do I know, will I ever know? And in FISA section 702, apparently you don't have to inform anyone you're collecting conversations because they might be with a sanctioned foreign actor.

And there's a big process you have to go through. And what was really funny is he tried to start like it was a hypothetical, but then the intelligence community is like, we got your request Senator Graham and we're working on it. Like you did ask us for those conversations and there's a process you have to go through to find out if you've been tapped basically. So maybe that's the issue here. The Flynn conversations could have been obtained under a FISA warrant and the government doesn't want to go anywhere near that. That's what I'm thinking that's why they don't even acknowledge these conversations happened, even the way all know they did, is because maybe it's part of a FISA warrant and that's all super secret stuff. Yeah, are you also saying that maybe they don't want to open up the can of worms of Republicans coming out against them or something and we're re-opening a new issue with of another FISA process? Yeah, they're already being investigated already,

the FISC and the FISA process. So I don't think that's, I don't think the justice department, or they, you know, I don't think they bring charges or not bring charges or investigate or not investigate based on what a political party would do, but I mean, that would definitely happen. I mean, if they were spying on Flynn, you know, quote unquote, spying on Flynn, they would, they would then be able to maybe use that word with a little more figure. But they, they were listening to his conversations because he was talking to Russians. Yeah. The defense, maybe though, not the political parties, I should just, just said the defense.

Maybe the defense then would start saying that because if stones lawyers are using how they got the money to even fund the special council as a motion to try to like not go down the road that it's most certainly going to go down. I wouldn't be surprised if they would do that. That's what, yeah. Interesting thought. And guys, oddly, Lindsey Graham flipped on Trump during a golf outing with him. It makes me wonder if Trump was told about conversations between Graham and the Russians that the government intercepted under FISA Section 702 because that's when Graham Cracker started kissing his ass.

Kind of like, I know what you did last summer. Those are just beans, we might never know, but we also have to remember that Barr has been given full authority to declassify whatever he wants and investigating the origins of the Trump-Russian investigation. And also, he oversees the DCU's attorney's office and Jesse Lou there. So as much as we might want to see the conversations, we might never get to see them, unless the Republicans want us to. In which case, you know, if the Republicans want you to, they're either cherry picking or it's good for their case or whatever. So we can watch House All-Even response. If he's not super pissed, he might have gotten a wink and a nod from maybe the fisc,

and he might just have to get into a sealed back and forth to get the information for sentencing Flynn, or he could blow up and keep demanding that they be released to the public either way. He's not the kind of guy who fucks around, so I think we'll know sooner rather than later On that All right guys ready for sabotage. Yes All right speaking a Michael Flynn his business partner B. Jean-Kian and his associates or his associate Alp Teacon We're indicted by Mueller, as we know, for not registering as foreign agents for Turkey, and Flynn helped

the government extensively in that case. And in the trial for Kian, which starts in July, new documents were released that proves Flynn was being paid by Turkey to lobby Trump, and not only publicly defend Turkey, to not only publicly defend Turkey, but also to try to connect Clinton and her campaign and her foundation to Gulen. The guy that he, Flynn, was paid $15 million to kidnap and return to Turkey. So because he would be jailed and probably tortured there, if he did. And we already knew Flynn was paid over half a million to write op-eds about Gulen, and we knew from a letter written to Mike Pence by Elijah Cummings way back in the day,

November 2017, I think, that the day after Trump appointed Flynn, that Cummings wanted Pence, no, sorry, the letter was written the day after Trump appointed Flynn. So it was before Trump took office. But he wanted Pence to tell him about Flynn's lobbying activities for Turkey. But it wasn't until now in these documents that we had evidence that Flynn was actually

a secret paid for an agent from Turkey. I mean, I had a feeling. We knew we put beans on it. Yeah, we just came turkey. We got a whole turkey episode. Alright guys, time for the fantasy indictment league. I'm gonna be a dinosaur! No way, it's gonna be okay.

Dinosaur! Cigdick! Dinosaur! Cigdick! Cigdick! It's gonna be okay. Just calm down. I can't calm down, I'm gonna be a dinosaur! Alright guys, if you had superseding indictments on Beijian Keon and your fantasy indictment league this week, give yourself a point. There were actually superseding indictments filed against him and Althekin this week for lying to prosecutors about lobbying for Turkey.

In his response, Keon said that the lobbying did not take place at the direction of any foreign principle. The lie detector determined that was a lie. And it was probably where we got all the new Flynn documents we mentioned in sabotage. So if you want to read the new material, it's in the Bigeon Keon, his name's Bigeon Rafiquian, but he goes by Bigeon Keon.

It's on page 15 and 16 of the court documents filed on May 23rd. So, I think you go first and I'm second. Ooh, okay, Tremonigural. Ooh, Tremonigural. I think they're going to be superseding indictments on stone since Miller just testified. Okay. I'm gonna go ahead and take Cindy Yang.

Mm. I'm going to go ahead and take Cindy Yang. Tom Bear double down. Nice. I'm going to go with Corsi. Trump campaign. Rando. Randall. Miller. For like inevitably lying in his testimony.

And I don't think we talked about that this week. Miller testified on Friday. Right. In the daily episodes we mentioned. We did. Yeah. I don't think I brought about that this week. Miller testified on Friday. Right, in the daily episodes we mentioned it. We did, yeah. I don't think I brought it up in this episode. But I under Miller, long time subpoena battle, extorting there, did testify Friday for two hours all about stone.

And mostly about stone, I assume. And that's why I put stone up here. And I actually, of course, see, and Miller. And so that's why. All of Stonehenge. Yeah. Yeah, it yes, yes. We haven't done Trump or yet, so I'm just gonna take that one.

Okay. Let's do Trump Victory. Oh, that's a new one. Yeah, I try to get all the trumps to you. I go to Trump's stuff. Sullivan. He's an old part of Stonehenge. Yeah.

What was his first game again? Do you remember? We just go with Sullivan. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Irrelevant. Is it me? I will do Broity. Oh.

Yeah. My ex. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, you're doing it for a while for now. How much did you get? I cannot say. You got an NDN. Yeah. Cool. Cool, Baku. Air prints. Nice. Is this my fifth one? It is. Numburg.

Gone fool, but Numburg did. Yeah, total stone hands. Okay. When I didn't get on there was a credit code. Nice. And I believe I am the last one. Uh, is that make sense? Yeah. I can confuse. No, you're right. Okay. I was always Brittany Kaiser hanging on to that one. Do it. So I'm just looking at racial or gender. So Solven was not me.

Oh, thank you. That explains why I am. Yes. Switch of. So you have, you have one more. You have three. Mm-hmm. So you can, yeah, give me a victory bag. I give me victory. Give me dad. Take it away. So I mean, gee. So you can give me a victory back. Give me victory.

Give me debt. And take it away from me, jeez. Thank you. Snatched. Yeah, yeah. But I believe we are good on the number of people we get. So we're good now. Awesome.

Thank you for that catch. Yeah, tell me, thank you for writing down. Points are important. Yes, yes. Thank you, Jev. I think I've got like one goddamn point. I mean, I think I have one as well, but I don't remember how much they were worth. I'm hoping Stone pays off twice.

Oh, yeah. Guys, we'll be right back with the host of Skull Duggery, Daniel Clydeman, and co-author Russian Roulette, Michael Issa-Coff. You've heard about neighborhood watch groups, right? Neighbors looking out for each other, keeping your community safe. We'll get this. The neighborhood watch is now on an app on your phone, and you might be wondering how does that work?

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That's ring.com slash AG and download the app from that website. Thanks a lot, you'll be glad you did. Make your neighborhood safer today with the neighbors app. Today for the interview, we have the co-hosts of the Skull Duggery podcast, one of them is the editor-in-chief of Yahoo News, Daniel Clydman, and then also the co-author of Russian Roulette, which we covered here in the MSW Book Club, and he's also the Chief Investigative Correspondent for Yahoo News, Michael Isakov. Guys, welcome to Molar Shirok.

Great to be with you. Happy to be here. First of all, I wanted to get, I absolutely astounded to be talking to you. We just found out actually before we even started recording this conversation that Michael Isikoff, you're the one who actually broke the story back in 1989 about Bill Barr and his memo.

Yeah, the snatch authority memo. Yeah. Yes. Yes. For, you know, the whole thing about basically saying it's okay to kidnap a foreign person on foreign soil without checking with the foreign state. And I think that was paving the way for some sort of coup against Manuel Noriega, which I think Bush was supporting at the time.

You broke that story. That's crazy. Well, it was crazy back then, but if you remember, the drug war was very much in the air as the top subject, top issue of concern to voters, and there you had this drug dealing president of Panama, Noriego, who had been indicted by the U.S. Attorney's office in Miami. And then President George H.W. Bush, with a helpful memo from William Barr, who I guess was the actual head of the Office of Legal Counsel at the time said it's perfectly okay to go in and snatch the guy and bring him back to the United States to stand trial.

Violating another country's sovereignty, which was a early indication of his hard line views that I think people are more familiar with now. Yeah, and then finally when Congress was able to subpoena that memo, we learned that AG bar basically left out a lot of the main, you know, consequential points when he summarized it for Congress. And that is, you know, who knew your story would get, you know, legs again today because of his characterization of the Mueller report, which, you know, before anyone

ever gets to see it, before Congress gets to see it, he comes out, says it exonerates the president, uses half sentences and I think there's one full quote in there from the Mueller report. But now Mueller has come out on television, made a statement, which pretty much contradicts everything that was in Barr's characterization or summary. I know he doesn't like it, we call it a summary, but that's what it was. And I was just wondering what your thoughts were on Mueller speaking because he doesn't even go to paper usually. So for him to come out, make a televised statement like that, I

thought was a big deal. And what he had to say was also extremely large consequences. And if you notice, he didn't look very happy about making that statement when he did. I don't think he enjoys the public line light in the least. Now look, here's my takeaway and Dan can give you his. Basically, all he did was repeat the language in the report. He didn't add any new facts that weren't already out on the table, but obviously to have him saying it and including his point that there are other remedies for presidential misconduct other than charging a president with a crime, which is something that's in the

report, but to have him say it, obviously obviously was taken by the democrats as an open invitation to uh... begin impeachment proceedings uh... on the other hand i was struck by the fact that muller made a point of not going after bill bar uh... he said he has no reason to question his good faith they had a brief disagreement about what should be publicly released and then bar released pretty much most of the report. So in my mind, although a lot of people got very excited about what Mueller said, you know, in terms of he made it clear he doesn't want to be a witness before the House Judiciary

Committee. If he's forced to be he's not going to say anything beyond the actual language in the report. The report is my testimony which takes away some of the steam from the Democrats about what they were hoping would be the dramatic appearance of Robert Mueller before the Judiciary Committee. And he made it clear that he's not challenging Bill Barr. He doesn't he by saying that Barr acted in good faith. He made it clear that he's not challenging Bill Barr. He doesn't, he, uh, by saying that Barr acted in good faith. He made it clear that the conspiracy theories that, um, Barr shut down his investigation or forced him to cut it short or, uh, did

something to undermine the investigation. You know, it kind of takes the steam away from that. So I'm not sure it was as dramatic a challenge to bar as some have interpreted to be. Yeah, I agree with Mike. I think the reason it had the impact that it did is because we haven't heard from Mueller in these two years. And he is this kind of solid, kind of sober figure. And so to hear him speak out loud had impact. But in terms of why he did it, I don't think this was an impeachment referral as people have characterized it or kind of, you know, setting up a flair to Congress time for you guys to take this up.

I think there are a couple of motivations, and this is all speculation, but based on knowing him a bit, having interviewed him in the past, this was his last opportunity to speak as the special counsel since he was closing up shop. I think it was important to him, and I think probably very important to people in the special counsel's office to explain

the sort of legal nuances of his decision not to make a prosecution judgment in terms of obstruction because he's been criticized. And the office has been criticized pretty severely for that decision. And I think as Michael alluded to, I think there's also in some ways a kind of a preemptive strike letting the Democrats know that he would not be a particularly cooperative witness and maybe hoping that he could kind of head that off.

Yeah and on I'll tell you what I thought about to respond to what Michael just said about what Mueller was talking about bar responding in good faith. I feel like he was specifically talking about releasing the full report to the public. I think I don't think he was saying bar holy and grandly acted in good faith and everything that he did. But we all, you know, I mean, I never worked with Mueller. All I know about him is what I've learned about him through this process and through other people. But I wasn't expecting him to come out and say anything that wasn't outside the four corners of that report. But it definitely did contradict a lot of what

Barr said in his press conference. But yeah, I thought that the good faith comment was a little odd. But as far as the OLC memo, what Barr has responded after Mueller came out and did his public statement, and Barr is saying that Mueller should have and could have made a call on whether or not the President committed a crime. He just wasn't allowed by the OLC memo to indict him because, as you know, you can't indict a sitting president. But I think Mueller's read of the OLC memo is that

the reason you can't indict a sitting president is because he doesn't have a way to defend himself in court. And therefore, even saying he committed a crime, you would be, he would not be allowed to defend him or not be able to defend himself, which he would on Twitter. But, you know, and he wouldn't have that legal venue to do that. Yeah. It's not as if the president doesn't have a megaphone to defend himself. But, you know, Mueller is a guy who thinks about process and judicial process and was really thinking about a court of law. But I don't actually know, Mike, maybe you know whether what Mueller's interpretation of the OLC memo was an inference

or if it says explicitly in the memo somewhere that one of the reasons you don't indict a sitting president is because he or she wouldn't have an opportunity to defend himself in a court of law. Well, no, because the memo goes to the question of whether a president could be indicted and tried. Right. Whether it addresses that, I do not remember. I'd have to go back and look at it.

But look, this strikes me as an issue that can be debated in law schools and seminars for years into the future, which is kind of interesting because it's not anything I think that was a matter of public discussion until all this arose. Back in the Ken Star days, Ken Star had commissioned a memo that said a president could be indicted, a guy named Ron Rotunda, a law, distinguished law school professor wrote that, but the Justice Department, the Clinton holder Justice Department came out with an OLC memo in 2000 saying a president couldn't be indicted. At that point they were driven by protecting Bill Clinton, who still, you

know, was facing a potential criminal charge after he left office. That was a Clinton Reno, Justice Department, but holder was, I think involved in that. No, holder was, was an holder of AG. Deputy General. He was deputy. I'm sorry. Yes, you're right. So, you know, and then I also see bars perspective of, well, if you can't indict somebody, the president, under what right do you use the grand jury process and all the tools of the justice department to investigate that person? I mean, you're not an arm of the Congress, you're not a fact-gatherer for a congressional referral.

You're in either your Justice Department prosecutor there to either indict or not. And it's a, as he's put it, a binary decision. I think he's got a valid point there. As does Mueller saying, you know, this was a, I think this was a very unusual set of circumstances. And I'm not sure there's a clear answer as to what is the best way to handle such a situation. Well, because remember, his mandate was not just to investigate the president of the United

States. It was to investigate the Russia, right, you know, Russia. So in the course of that investigation he comes across evidence damning evidence that the president is trying to obstruct that investigation uh... you know but if he's bound by oLC opinion he cannot indict the president so yeah and i think

he was working on that premise from day one well that's an interesting question because if he was, then what was the grounds for doing the fat gathering in which the only real target was Donald Trump? Well, but he addressed that, right, in a statement. He said he said there could have been other co-conspirators. Well, there could have been other co-conspirators, but also it is important to create the record, to establish, get the evidence evidence while it's still fresh, implying

that there could be a prosecutor down the road for now or six years from now, who might decide to indict the president once he's left office. Yeah, not so much fact finding and gathering for Congress to impeach, but fact finding and gathering for future possible prosecutions under criminal law. Yeah. Yeah. And I think a lot of people would argue that just with volume two and everything that's in it, that is actually Mueller saying that the president committed a crime because he outlined, you know, the three criteria you have to meet to obstruct justice and he outlined which instances of obstruction met those three criteria and just stopped short of saying he's a fucking criminal.

So I think a lot of people would say the report speaks for itself. The problem is, and I can't remember who said this on MSNBC, it might have been Chuck Todd who, but I think he said something like, the problem here is Mueller brought a book to a Twitter fight. It's a good line. Yeah. It is a good line. Yeah. It is, right?

I wish I thought of it. Yeah. And I don't think we should look for Bob Mueller to start tweeting anytime soon. Yeah. It's too bad too, because I really want to tweet at him. But you guys should invite him on your show, don't you think? I would love to. I just have no idea how to idea what do you just Google him?

Well, he's got no idea how to get a hold of him. I bet you do though, Issa Koff. I could probably email Peter Carr, but that email shut down. Well, if, well, he's still around. In fact, didn't he put out a statement just the other day in response to the Michael Wolf book? He did.

Michael Wolf book says that Mueller drafted an indictment of Trump. And, uh, and, uh, and Wolf says he's seen it. Uh, well, you, and you, you know, it was bullshit because the draft, the draft indictment apparently said US against Trump. I've never seen an indictment that used the word against. That's a podcast term. Not illegal. Yeah's a podcast term. Yeah. Yeah. And then of course we have this whole counter intelligence piece, which is missing.

This is the investigation opened by Andy McCabe after he asked the FBI. After Trump asked the FBI to stop the Flynn investigation and then made public statements about Russia and then fired Komi and then told Lester how he holed. He fired Komi because of the Russia thing and then he told the Russians in the Oval Office that he fired Komi because Russia was lifted off his shoulders. So, you know, Mikaib was like, these are verifiable, articulable facts. That is good enough to open an investigation, and those are the oranges of the investigation. But now, who in the FBI would be able to brief the gang of eight on this counterintelligence piece? We know Schiff, a subpoenaed bar for it, and then he threatened to cold him and

contempt and bar was like, okay, uncle, and it's going to send him some stuff. But without, you know, these, you know, I call him the Komi five, like Gattis, Bodich, Rybicki, McCabe, and I think we added Wente as a you guys are in the weeds. I like this. And of course, Jim Baker with all those guys gone who in the F is going to go brief the gang of eight about terrible like who's going to hold the president. If the president is an asset, if he's a compromise, who's going to who's in charge? It's bar.

Uh, well, there's Christopher Ray, the FBI director, who presumably has the results of whatever counterintelligence investigation. That presumes there are results. I mean, my sense is that, yes, in a by McCabe in those crazy days of February 2017, but or may, I guess it was, it was may. But whether it went anywhere or added up to anything, I think Mueller had the results. He put everything he knew and could share in volume one. I'm not, I don't expect there's some sort of bombshell that Bob Mueller has held back on. Yeah. No, I agree with you there. And one last question before I let you guys go, what, what do you guys think about opening an impeachment inquiry, not a full-on impeachment thing,

but an inquiry? I think a more-on impeachment thing, but an inquiry. I think a more, since Mueller came out and gave his public statement, I think a lot more people, a lot more Democrats are calling for it. Of course, we've got that one, you know, GOP guy. It was a Justin Amash. Justin Amash, yeah. Look, you know, it seems to me that, look, I think the American people right now, according to all the polls, just shy of 50 percent support and impeachment proceeding.

And obviously, you don't have the 20 Republicans in the Senate that you would need to convict. So it was a very, I think, tough slog until the Trump administration started stiff-arming the Congress on all of their oversight requests, essentially. All subpoenas, witnesses, witnesses coming before the committees. And that did give Democrats a plausible argument to proceed with an impeachment inquiry because it gives them a better leg to stand on, to go to court, enforce these subpoenas, and get the documents they need to do their traditional oversight responsibilities. And so you saw for a while there, Democrats kind of gained some who were in favor of impeachment, gain some momentum.

And it looked like there was at least the possibility that that would continue. And maybe that would bring more Americans along, and ultimately Nancy Pelosi. I think that's kind of petered out a bit. So I think there's still stuck in the sort of 40 to 45 Democrats who support it. That's not nearly enough. The problem with starting an impeachment inquiry is that you have to then finish it.

And you know, number one, it sucks up all the oxygen in Washington. So all the news coverage would be about the impeachment inquiry and what the next step was and who the witnesses are. It could, but, you know, if you're Nancy Pelosi and you're worried about promoting the Democratic agenda to voters that on issues they care about, like health care and jobs and the economy and climate change and a whole host of other things. You don't want to necessarily be tagged as the impeachment party and you know look at you know at the end of the day if you started impeachment inquiry, you know people are wanting to know well, what's the results of it And it would be a very difficult vote for anybody on the Judiciary Committee to vote against

actual impeachment once you start the inquiry. In fact, we had Steve Cohen on some member Judiciary Committee a week or so ago. He said 90% of the Democrats on the Judiciary Committee are already for impeachment. So, it would have to, if you start it, you have to then, you know, vote on it, it will get voted on the House floor, and that's a really difficult vote for Democrats on the House floor, because, you know, particularly those in swing districts, you know, are they going to want a vote for impeachment? Then you vote for impeachment, the House does it. Does it almost entirely on partisan grounds? It goes to the Senate and then it goes nowhere. So if you're a Democratic leader, you know, you have to live in the real world as much as you want to uphold the Constitution and do your constitutional duty.

I see. So kind of what you're saying is that it'll lose at some point whether it loses in the house whether it loses before it gets out of Committee whether it might not you know if it doesn't make it out of the inquiry stage Or if it gets stymied in the Senate, it's going to lose at some point and then Trump has a talking point where he You get Exonerated. Yeah, well think of what he can do with that in the election Yeah, they impeach me and guess what? You know, went to the Senate and I got voted down. I was cleared.

I was exonerated. No collusion, no obstruction. Yeah, no impeachment. Yeah. He's already saying that though. I personally don't think it would make that much of a difference in the election. Since the bar exoneration didn't give him any bump at all

in his approval rating, I think his base is his base and that's just where it's going to stay no matter what. Like whether he whether he's totally exonerated or whether he shoots somebody in the middle of Fifth Avenue, I think that that base is exactly where it's going to stay. You're probably right about that. All right guys. Well, thank you so much for coming on today. Can you tell us about Skull Dugory, where our listeners can find it, and where we can find your book? Because I think we're probably gonna re-release the Russian roulette stuff with this,

I mean, was it weird to like read, open up the Mueller Report, Volume 1, and read your entire book? Yeah, I was like, like, I wrote this, but you know. As a cough has a little more narrative flair. I actually think Russian roulette is a better read than the report itself. Um, it is. I have to say it's one of the more well written books that we've read.

Yeah. And we should mention my co-author, David Corn, um, who was, um, you know, we wrote, I wrote it with, um, but, um, you know, by the way, I noticed that when you guys read the report or, you know, did a show on it, it was behind some kind of firewall or something, right? You had to pay, you had to pay wall. Yeah, we released them early and add free for our patrons, for our premium subscribers,

and then we ask for feedback on it and corrections and stuff. So we have this group feeling to it. And then we re-record them and release them to the public. So part one and part two are now available on our main feed for the public. Well, I will download that. And just in answer to your question, Skull Duggery, is a weekly pod that Clivement and I do in which we are

devoted to many of the same issues as your listeners listen to you for. And, you know, we actually have gotten some pretty interesting guests and made some waves. We've had the only interview that George Conway has ever done. You go back in October. He had quite a few things to say. He called the Trump administration. What was it? A shit show in a dumpster fire? Or was it a dumpster fire in a shit show? I don't know. It was one of the other. We'd never heard of either of any

phrases. But it was pretty interesting. Conway and I go way back as he does with Dan as well because we knew him very well during the Clinton days where he played a pretty key role in the events that led to Bill Clinton's impeachment. And he talks about that on the Skull Duggery. A pretty good question. And can I use that to just make a quick plug for our second podcast. It's under the banner of Skull Duggery.

It's called Barry Treasure. And we do that as often as we can, usually weekly. And that is where we go and we look at a scandal that we generally a scandal that we covered in the past, Monica Lewinsky, it was a good example. Right. You know, for Isacoff, there was also the T-Pot Dome. And you covered that, right? The grant administration whiskey ring.

Yeah, that's one. And then how it sheds light on and illuminates today's scandals. So for sort of his scandal history buffs, it's a lot of fun. It's called Buried Treasure. Awesome. So Buried Treasure and Skull Duggery, you can get him wherever you get your podcasts. It's a cough, Clydeman. Guys, thanks so much for joining us today. This has been really enlightening and at honor to speak to you.

Great to be with you. Thanks so much. All right, guys, that's our show. We will see you on the road. What do we got? Minneapolis, June 14th, Philly, July 17th, Chicago, July 27th, and now San Francisco August 30th. Yes, I'm so excited. I know, I haven't been to San Francisco since the 80s. I've never been. I'm so ready.

So ready. Yeah, first time around here. It's so much fun there. It's a beautiful city. Yeah, I'm really excited. Stonewall. It's where I'll be in the open. Oh, yeah, I'm excited about Philly.

I've heard great things. But yeah, San Fran is a special one, because it's just Pride season. I mean, it'll be kind of the end of Pride season, but just like, yeah, the vibes up there, San Fran, I'm excited. Yes, but don't call it San Fran while you're there. Oh, they hate that. They'll hate you. They'll make you sound.

Oh, slither in much. Yeah. They'll make that sound if you call it that. Okay. Or they call it the city. Oh, I like that. Pretentious, but I like it. Yeah, yes. Oh, I like that. Pretentious, but I like it. I'm so do you.

Yes, yes. But yeah, I'm super excited to just have been in so long. It's going to be fun. Now, my favorite part is hanging out with patrons and hanging out with you guys. The audience. Absolutely. It's just you guys are the seriously every single venue we've been to has been like your audience is the most polite, kindest, awesomest audience we've ever had.

So. Yeah, it's like a family reunion. It feels like a Mueller junkie, like kind of. Mueller con. Yeah, Mueller con. Yeah, I dig it. Toots, McGoots. Oh, and I think we got Richard Painter for Minneapolis. Oh, yeah. I think he's gonna be joining us

at this video. Don't. Theapolis show. I know. It's so rad. It's hard to get somebody in Minneapolis, you know? Yeah, let alone Richard Painter. Oh my goodness. He is there. So it's so rad. It's hard to get somebody a mini-opolis, you know? Yeah, let alone Richard Painter. Oh my goodness. He is there, so it's cool. Perfect. All right guys, any last thoughts, final thoughts?

Take care, yeah. Have a great week. June, it's freaking June already. How far? How far? Half way through June? Yeah, I'm excited for this summer. Me too.

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