Jack - Mueller Report Pt. 11

Episode Date: August 2, 2019

Join us as we discuss the next segment of the Mueller Report.  Go back and start from the beginning if you aren't caught up! Today we cover Section 2, Vol 2, Pages 15-24. What did Mueller find out about obstructive behavior from the president?

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That's what he said. That's what he said. That's what I said. That's obviously what our position is. I'm not aware of any of those activities. I have been called a surrogate at a time or two in that campaign. And I didn't have, not have, communications with the Russians. What do I have to get involved with Putin for? I have nothing to do with Putin.

I've never spoken to him. I don't know anything about a mother than he will respect me. Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. So it is political. You're a communist. No, Mr. Green.

Communism is just a red herring. Like all members of the oldest profession, I'm a capitalist. APPLAUSE Hello and welcome to Muller Shear Out. I'm your host A.G. And with me, as always, Archie Lee-Sajansson. Hello. And Jordan Coburn.

Hello. And this is our continuing special coverage of the redacted Mueller report. This is part 11. And today we're going to cover section 2 of volume two of the Mueller report pages 15 through 24 section A on Trump's reaction to public reporting about Russian interference. So that's where we're at today pages 15 through 24. So if you want to stop now, read ahead, come back, or if you don't care and you just want to listen, hey, how's it going?

This is one of my favorite parts. Yeah, yeah. I just want to say in Chicago, someone had a sign there, Mueller report. That was the first time. Oh yeah. Kevin, right? Kevin, yeah, it was amazing. That's awesome. Yeah, he showed up with the Mueller report and it had like little pink tabs. Tabs in it and yellow tabs and then safety pins and then the blue tabs separated sections one and two. All right, listen to the thorough for sure. Yeah, he's super into it. Definitely. I was like, he looked like a law student.

That was totally marking and annotating everything. Exactly. It's lies. That was a fun show. Oh, yeah. We appreciated that. So anyway, like I said, read ahead or just listen. We'll go over this section by section for you.

And thank you for wanting to know more about what's in this report. As we know, section two covers obstruction of justice. The first nine parts of this series covered the contacts with Russia, and that was volume one. And last week, we went over the introduction and summary of volume two. So here's where we are. So let's get started. This section is entitled Factual Results of the Abstruction Investigation, and it details the evidence Mueller obtained during the obstruction investigation. The introduction here, Mueller says this summary will cover Trump's response to the Russian

investigation. Then the key events Mueller investigated, including Trump's conduct toward the investigation of Flynn, Trump's reaction to the public reporting of Crossfire Hurricane, the termination of Comey, efforts to terminate Mueller, efforts to curtail the scope of Mueller's investigation, efforts to prevent disclosure of information about the June 2016 Trump Tower meeting, and efforts to have sessions unrecuse himself from the investigation. Oh, and Trump's conduct toward McGann, Cohen, and other witnesses as well, because that plays into his intent.

So that's also listed out in the forthcoming sections. Mueller tells us he will summarize the evidence and then analyze it using the three elements of obstruction, which we went over last week and include an obstructive act, a nexus to a proceeding or a connection to a proceeding. And the intent, corrupt intent, right? You have to have that sort of knowing, willful, corrupt intent to be guilty of obstruction of justice.

And this is the roadmap for Congress, because as we know, Mueller refused to indict based on the OLC memo, and he also refused to accuse the president as he would not have an opportunity to defend himself in court because he can't be indicted and that was Mueller's little extra step of I don't know, cuteness. I don't understand why he did that honestly. I'm not sure why he just didn't go ahead and accuse the president of obstruction of justice but his argument is since I can't indict him he doesn't have a way to legally defend himself from my accusation.

So that's not fair. Yeah, maybe he's hoping that with all this evidence, people will say it for him so he won't have to be the martyr. It's a lot of pressure and he did his job. Oh, sure. And he already got so much shit, even for what he did put in the report. Can you imagine what he would get if he actually said anything past that? Yeah, what would their argument be that?

Right. Because they're saying they're upset about him not reaching a decision definitively on that, but it's like, if he did, that's not what you want at all. If he did, they'd be upset about him reaching a decision and they would try to find some way to say that the special counsel regulations don't allow for that, or you read the OLC memo incorrectly, you know, something, it would be whatever, whatever he said or came out with, they would rebut basically.

Yeah, totally. I wonder how many hours of conversation that took up just deciding with his team internally what to do. He said it's like a just a damned if you do damned if you don't sort of thing. I wonder like, yeah, where everybody stood on that all his prosecutors, like if some people were for it,

and then Mueller just made the executive decision not to, because there's a lot of people on his team. I would imagine some of them might share 17 angry Democrats. Right. Yeah. Some of them actually really angry. Yeah. I'd be interested to know to what the vote was or if they're even wise one or if Mueller just came out and said this is what we're doing. Yeah. Yeah. He's a moderate at heart, right? That's just Mueller. He's pretty conservative. Oh, even. Okay. I guess moderate considering the all right. Yeah. True, everything's changed.

Everything's shifting. Anyone who doesn't have Satan growing out of their face isn't this moderate. I like that image of a slow growing Satan growing out of the face. Hey, you got a Satan on your face. Your face looks weird bro. I want to nip that in the bun, like Satan. Satan, bug. So section A here is the campaign's response

to reports about Russian support for Trump. And that's important because it goes toward intent. They want to kind of prove Trump and his buddies knew or were upset by, or at least confused, or concerned about the Russian investigation. And so they gathered all the evidence they could to prove that. The footnote here raises an important issue brought up by multiple Republicans during the Mueller testimony and it says that this section cites various news stories, not for the truth of the information contained in

the stories, but rather to place candidate Trump's response to those stories in context. So what he's saying is, I'm not saying these stories are true or false. I don't give a shit. What I'm saying is Trump's response to them, regardless of how you characterize these stories, is what's important here. And I'm providing the context by giving you what was in these stories. So, you know, Debbie Lesco, specifically Republican from Arizona, she told Mueller that all he did was regurgitate news stories and then she said, you cited the Washington Post 60 times in the New York Times 75 times and Fox News about 25 times, quote, I've got to say it looks like volume two is mostly regurgitated press stories.

And Muller could see this argument before she ever thought about even making it. That's how simple and basic she is. So, also, sorry, go ahead. No, that would go ahead. Yeah, like where do you think the news is getting the information? Also, it's like a lot of things that have come out of all of the, well, not all of them, but most of the reporting we heard on obstructive X came out as a result of the report, right? Yeah, what is she even talking about? Well, like these specifically, it's just the whole story of how the investigation happened. So this is why the whole idea of fake news is so dangerous It's like when you report what's on the news and it's supposed to be factual, people are like, no, it's from CNN, so it's automatic bullshit or something or Fox News, so it's bullshit.

It's like, that's not how we should look at the media, but Trump's done a really good job of painting people, you know, as journalists, it's just these dramatic people that don't have facts anymore, even though he's that exact person. Right. And what Mueller saying here is, hey, lady, I know you're going to be a dick about this in the future. So what this is about is me putting out the news stories that Donald Trump reacted to. No more no less. So whether you like them, don't like them. I think it's fake news, think it's real news. I want to wipe your butt with it in the morning. I don't care. This is just how Trump reacted to them. And I'm not gonna sit here and put in my report. Trump reacted to news stories by doing this with outsideing news stories, because then your dumb ass would be, oh, we're all the news stories you're talking about.

Yes, okay, that's still dumb, but that makes a lot more sense on what I was thinking she was saying. Yeah, she's saying stuff that happened throughout that time. You're too smart to even comprehend what she was getting at. That's how dumb or shit is.

Yeah. Well, I kind of, I forgot that he did do that in some points in the report. Yeah. For example, like, Lester Holt, the which is one of the biggest freaking cruxes of his obstructive acts. Yeah. So this whole thing with Russia. Yeah.

It's like, yeah, it happened on the news, but I mean, I guess in the sense that a conversation happens on a planet. Like, I don't know. Why are you citing Philadelphia just because you were standing there, fake state. I don't believe you. But yeah, these news stories are just here to provide context for Trump and his campaign's response to the public reporting. Like I said, how do you left them out? The context would be missing. And as a grown-ass woman, she should know that. Anyway, last, let's go. W. Erizona. Shut up. Most of the Republican arguments were based on tricks or half-truths anyhow. If you notice that, when you were watching the, the molar testimony and they're extremely easy to spot, if you've been paying attention. So during the campaign, and these are the kind of news stories we're talking about here, during the campaign the media raised questions about the Trump campaign in Russia,

especially after WikiLeaks released the stolen emails and documents from the DNC, the D-Triple C, and John Podesta. And Trump denied any contact with the Russians despite secretly working with them through Sator and Cohen to construct Trump Tower in Moscow. He also publicly expressed skepticism that Russia was involved at the same time he and other aides sought info from redacted Roger Stone about future WikiLeaks releases. So while he's sitting there saying, this whole Russia thing is a hoax, you're so stupid, hang on one second ring ring.

Hey yeah, hey Roger Stone. So when's that WikiLeaks dump coming out, cool-eye? Exactly. Exactly, pretty much what happens. And he'll go over in the details like how he knows this because basically Gates told him. I was in a car when they had a call and Gates told Mueller. And I think that Man of Fort also told him that.

So it's just really interesting. Oh, yeah, they're like Oh, there were nothing I don't listen to rough. What do I need to talk to Putin for? I have nothing to do with Putin You know, meanwhile in his pocket Yeah, recently he said to like a press like group of journalists outside of the White House that he knows nothing about Russia Just now he knows nothing at all. Yeah, and Mitch, nobody knows less about Russian or fear it's than Mitch. Yeah, yeah, it's the same comment. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's a weird way to say that you're dumb, but okay. At least he's admitting that. I buy it, sure. So anyway, the media raised all these questions, right? And Trump also publicly expressed skepticism that Russia was involved, like I was telling you, but also, well, in the meantime, taking calls from WikiLeaks and Stone and talking to Gates and Maniford about it, it was just a mess. So after the election, there was more reporting, and he continued to deny it, even though

he privately told his advisors that the media reports could lead people to question the legitimacy of his presidency. So out of one side of his mouth, this russia thing is a hoax. Out of the other side of the mouth, people are questioning my legitimacy because of the russia thing. How can both be true at the same time? I can kind of see his logic. He's like, this hoax is really hurting my optics, but I also don't personally think it's a hoax. But I kind of see but I also don't personally think it's a hoax,

but I kind of see how he might convince himself from that narrative. Yeah, maybe. And that, you know, and that he just told his advisors, like, this hoax is bumming me out because it makes me look illegitimate. Mm-hmm. So, Mueller then goes through the media reports,

all of which we know because we reported on them when they happened, but in early 2016, he indicated he wanted a better relationship with Russia. He said he'd get along well with Putin and he questioned NATO alliances calling NATO obsolete. He praised Putin on several occasions and Russia perceived him favorably. We know all this. This is all from public reporting. So this is the kind of stuff that she was talking about. Yeah, that's okay. Got it. Mueller's saying, here's what the reporting was. Totally. And because, because Mueller, if Mueller came out and said, here's what the facts are, not what the newspaper

said, but here's what the facts are. And here's how Trump responded to them. The Republicans would argue those facts. So Mueller has to come out and say, here's what the news reports were. I'm not telling you that these are true or not. I'm just saying, here's what they are. And here's how Trump reacted to them. And therefore, there's just no argument to it. Right. You know, you can't fake news.

It doesn't matter. It's how you reacted to it. Again, kind of a damn if you do, damn if you don't sort of thing. Yeah. Talk about like the news reporting versus the actual facts of what happened True, which he has evidence of yeah, you know, but he's like I'm not even gonna rely on the thing that he reacted to Yeah, exactly and he's like I'm not even gonna rely on my evidence or assume that he was reacting to reality I'm just gonna say he was reacting to what was on the news. Yeah, that's what that's what he do So he starts there and then he says during campaign, the media reports started coming out.

The Trump campaign had ties to Russia, such as the photo of Flynn dining with Putin or Carter Page. Having ties to Russia, he had so many. And Manifort having worked for Putin back to Ukrainian candidate, that's Yana Kovic. The press also raised questions about the Trump team changing the RNC platform on giving lethal weapons to Ukraine to defend against Russian forces. They wanted to take out that lethal part, whereas the Republican hawks, old school wanted to leave it in.

Yeah, the old school hawks, the Mitt Romney's. Exactly, yeah. The half-man half-mustache, Bolton's of the world. The citations for all the reporting is in the footnotes. So you can see it, you can go right to the bottom of these pages, 14, 15, 16, 17, and see all of the lists of all of the articles that he is citing. And so when Lesco was like, you know, New York time, 75 times, Washington post 60 times, Fox News 25 times, this is the news of the day. It's not my fault, Fox didn't get its foot in the door more than a third of the time, sorry.

You know, it's just, and they didn't off to our import on the Mueller report, so that's on them. Right. Putting up cats or dog videos instead, you know? Right, cat beauty contests. Right, right, or Santa is not black. I was like all year round for them.

Yeah, I was glad that Fox News made it in there and she acknowledged that Fox News made it in there, though, because that would have been so shitty if she just tried to say that it was, because that would have been a perfect window for her to say a deep state thing if there wasn't also Fox News things in there. But luckily, he was an idiot across all channels. So, or in response to all channels. Yeah. And I think that might be why he included specific stories from specific, you know, probably

went on and saw which ones got the most traffic or what was reported on the news. And these are the ones that he's publicly reacting to. Okay, guys, on to page 17, this is where we get Trump's reaction to the WikiLeaks dumps. And these are public, right? You just react to him or you don't. He reacted to them. So on June 14th, a cybersecurity firm who is not mentioned by name here,

but we know it to be crowd-strike posted an announcement that Russians had infiltrated the DNC. The following month, the day before the Dem Convention, the WikiLeaks sources like dumped thousands of DNC documents. And shortly after that, Hillary's campaign manager publicly stated that Russia hacked the DNC and, and shortly after that, Hillary's campaign manager publicly stated that Russia hacked the DNC and timed the releases to help Trump.

And then two days later, the New York Times reported that Intel agencies had briefed the White House that they now had high confidence that Russia was behind the hack. So this is what was going on in the public sphere in June. Trump AIDS reacted gleefully to reports of the hacks publicly and redacted, discussed with campaign officials, that WikiLeaks would release the hacked material. It's got to be Roger Stone, right?

Some witnesses, that's who we're guessing is under the red action bar. We don't know for sure. I just throw that out there, but it's totally Roger Stone. Some witnesses said Trump himself discussed the upcoming releases with Redacted, which is Roger Stone. Cohen told Mueller that he recalled Redacted, and we know that what's under that Redacton bar as well. It's clearly Cohen told Mueller he recalled being present in a car when Trump was on the phone with Roger Stone who was telling him about an upcoming WikiLeaks release and Trump

said, oh good, all right, that's redacted for harm to an ongoing matter. It's so interesting. I think of like the girl who's going wild videos from the 90s, like, but it's like, fuck boys going wild. I just imagine they're redacted bars. It's just like tempting us or something. Like, who will tend to be there? Yeah, sincere. Those were awful commercials, by the way. Oh, they were so fast. So awful. Yeah. And they were always on, I was always like the last kid that was awake at the sleepover

So all my friends would be asleep and I'd just be looking around and looking at this chicks like Bart out tits on the sky Yeah, what is happening? You and me both, you. Why am I here? Yeah, but then I kept watching. Yeah, I mean hey, because SpongeBob was on next. You got away for SpongeBob. Definitely.

Get through the titty redactions. You got away for SpongeBob. Definitely. Get through the titty redactions. No, I think actually if my memory is correct it was Cheetah's. Oh, oh wait, sorry. A thousand cheetahs. Cheetahs is a striklift. Yeah, cheetahs use cheetahs as a show. Oh yeah, yeah, sometimes they get in fights.

I know. It's good to lighten that TV for like an eight year old eight-year-old. It's a good night. Yeah. Weird sleepovers. This is all coming together now. And my problem is start facing down. Explains a lot. Anyways, redactions. Cheaters. Dun dun dun. They do the fights and that guy will be like, what are you doing here? Who are you? What's, who's this lady? And then hair, wigs come off and it's

yeah. See that could be the movie. Yeah. And the shirts and then they redact their bald heads. No, that doesn't happen. I can see it's like cops for love. That should be their tagline. Bad boys, bad boys, cheaters, cops for love. but she does. Cops for love. We followed, it's so funny too, they're like, PIs are like, we followed him to his job the next day where he, here he is with Karen and his trans-am or whatever.

And you're like, oh man, Karen, you can come on. Yeah, everyone's in like polyamorous relationships and they don't give a fuck exactly. That was the response. That would be so funny every single time you run in a bust somebody They're like oh no, we're all cool Room for one more it's one of those like you want to come in yeah, you want to bro?

You want it and then you want some of this? Okay, so Back to the non-titty redactions in the Mueller report. I really do think this is stone. It's harm to a non-going matter. But stone is only being charged with witness tampering, lying in obstruction. Not conspiracy.

Not conspiracy. You can see United States broader conspiracy to hack the election, et cetera. He's not being charged with that. At least not yet. I don't think that he will be, but I'm interested to see what the declinations say at the end of this particular volume.

Definitely. It probably is all redacted for harm to an ongoing matter. So maybe we won't know until we don't know. So we'll just keep on not knowing. There you go. But that's who I specifically think this is. But he's only being charged with witness, tampering, lying, and obstruction. He's not being charged with that greater conspiracy.

But it's redacted here regardless. And probably just because it isn't ongoing matter, doesn't matter what the matter is or what he's being charged with. It's just an open and ongoing matter. So he doesn't want to taint the jury taint. Let's see, on to page 18. And this is where we learned that Manafort told Mueller that after the WikiLeaks July 22nd release, he spoke to Trump about something redacted.

This whole paragraph is highly redacted for harm to an ongoing matter. But from what I can piece together from public reporting and the way that this is written, I think I can infer that Trump told Manafort to keep him updated on what Stone was doing with WikiLeaks, and Gates and Manafort were sort of assigned as the point men between Trump and Stone. Gates was also present for a call between Trump and Stone. Mueller also appears to indicate that the releases of WikiLeaks information were discussed within the Trump campaign, and they were planning a whole strategy based on Mueller also appears to indicate that the releases of WikiLeaks information were discussed

within the Trump campaign, and they were planning a whole strategy based on the release of Clinton emails based on these Wiki dumps. And this is an important distinction because it says Clinton emails, not pedestrian emails, interesting. Interesting. Yeah. Isn't that interesting? I think it is.

So they were planning a strategy based on the release of Clinton emails Why do you think that's the case? It seems to me that they thought they would be getting Clinton emails from Russia before they actually had their hands on them which indicates a Not just a plan or a strategy, but that it was coordinated totally emotive. Yeah exactly because sort of Develops sort of this underlying, you know where there's no crime underlying crime. There doesn't have to be but That's kind of one

You know whether you whether or not you call it whether or not they got the Clinton emails per se versus Pedestee emails versus DNC or D-Triple C documents, it shows intent, right? And that's the, seems to what this whole chapter is. I talk about that a few times in here. What is this chapter even for? I think he's just trying to show that Trump had a reason to be scared and to cover shit up.

Yeah, it's really important to include that. Yeah, and his reactions to these public reports that came out from Wapoh or New York Times or Fox show that he cared about it and at least was either trying to obstruct it or lie about it, but he didn't just ignore it and not care. Yeah, this is the acting guilty chapter. Yeah, this is the consciousness of guilt part of the of the story All right guys on to part three on page 18 and this goes into the Trump campaign reactions to allegations that Russia was seeking help from Trump After the WikiLeaks dump on on July 22nd Trump rejected

Russia was helping him and tweeted it that it was crazy to even suggest that Russia was helping him or that Russia was dealing with Trump and For the record had zero. He had zero investments in Russia. You know, that's what our that's what our position is You know, you have no dealings with Russia in all regards. Yep. That's what I did question that was that's what I said Yeah, that's what our position is This is the epitome of gaslighting by the way a person calling you crazy for believing something. That's what our position is. So this is the epitome of gaslighting, by the way. A person calling you crazy for believing something that's true. Yes. And I feel like this is where it started

when Trump started saying, this is insane if you believe that we had any contacts with Russia or that I have any business dealings with, what do I have to do with Putin? What do I have to do with Putin for? All I know is he will respect me, you know. And you're crazy.

You are insane if you think that there's anything going on here. And that is, that's like the first big gaslight of this entire administration. There were several, but this one like really got to me. Like really, bro, I'm crazy. Yeah, the inauguration photos were my first gaslight moment. I was like, are you really saying there are people in that crowd? Like, you're crazy.

If you don't think it was totally sold out. Yeah, you're insane. If you think Obama had a bigger crowd than me. I was like, why would you lie about that when we can all see it? But that showed me that he's willing to lie about anything for any reason. Sad to get a gist of that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and so that sucks when you're being called, you're overreacting, you're being crazy,

you're insane that you think, when it's actually true. And I think that's central to Trump's strategy, basically, since the beginning. Trump continued gaslighting us the next day in a press conference, characterizing the whole thing with Russia as a total deflection, far-fetched and ridiculous. That's the July 27 speech where he also said, Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.

That's quoted in here in the mold report. So we were pressin' enough to see that that was important when we stuck it in our opening. Yeah. Who knew? Just had a feeling. Yeah, that opening really wound up being some of the best soundbikes.

Yeah. Right, just like naturally. Yeah, yeah. As the story unfolded, we're like, whoa. Yeah. Look what we did. Oh my god, we said that. The soundtrack to the Miller.

One of them is in jail. It wasn't when we started. Yeah. So true. Yeah. Yeah. Sessions. Crazy.

Some people think the clue thing is really prescience of the stormy Daniels. Yeah, like capitalism and being a stripper like, you know, a sex worker. Yeah, yeah, they're like, oh, they think it connects. I think we had that intentionally in there for that reason, but that happened after we made it. So yeah, I just worked out. I knew. Totally. I'm not your plan. Dude, I so knew. Well, you had a feeling we started with Maniford. And you're crazy if you think I didn't know. Oh gosh. So during that press conference, the speech, the hope you're able to find the 30,000 email speech,

during that press conference, Trump also, out of the words, I have nothing to do with Russia. Five times, saying the closest he came to Russia was that Russians may have purchased a home or condos from him. And if you listen to our last daily beans episode, you ain't just Whistland Dixie. It's pretty much only Russians that buy his condos in trucked hour. In Russian cats, apparently. Yeah, and cats and crime, crimeers.

That's right, yeah. The cats are probably innocent, though, hopefully. Crime cats. Yeah. The Russian mom. The Russian mom cats. Do we even we have the best half hour on CBS? Or the best primetime slots? Definitely.

Yeah. With cheaters for polyamorous people. Cops on love. Is that what it was? Love cops for that. Cops for love. There we go. I bet they train cats.

Oh, for sure. I bet any government, I learned this when I saw an article about Russia, they found like a beluga whale or like some kind of whale that had been tampered with essentially. It was like being primed as like an animal spy. Had a body cam. You tell me that I have sharks with friggin' leaves. Yes, exactly. It's real.

And I was like, only Russia would do this. And then someone was like, the US did the same thing with dolphins back at like whatever. So we did. We trained dolphins. Now I've just seen crime cats. Crime cats. Yeah.

Yes. I'm trying to think of another elimination, but I am done. I like it. That's pretty good. Sorry. I like it. And again, as I'm saying, like Russians buying Trump

properties, total understatement for Mueller here, because he didn't even put these numbers in here. We just know these to be true. Over 25% of the sales of Trump condos, over $80 million, $84 million of his real estate transactions in Florida alone were with Russia. And that doesn't even get into the Russians who bought condos from him in New York or Chicago. And most of these transactions had been red flags as potential money laundering transactions. We know that.

And not to mention that Florida mansion that Rob Lovlev bought from him for twice its value. It was like worth 50 million about it from like 100. I think 44 and 90 or something like that. And then he sold it and under two years turned around and resold it and under two years for half of what he paid for it huge red flag for money laundering Another obvious money laundering just rack it just it seems to me like this is what half of Trump's properties are for Yeah, washing Russian money makes a lot of sense, you know, and that's why Deutsche Bank was like We'll go ahead and lend to you even though your bank rupt a million times

Yeah, I have no money and he built back, even know your bank rupt a million times and have no money. And he built back a casino that had like more stories of hotel rooms than was even like allowed by the fire department. And they were like, why are you doing this? This is a bad idea for a casino. And I think it's because he had these backspinning money. Yeah, backdoor deals to find ways to really make money from those content. Yeah, or hotel.

That's a good point. Yeah. And he even admitted during that 30,000 email press conference that after the Miss Universe pageant, he wanted to do a deal in Russia, but said none of them ever went through. But frankly, I don't want to do it. He said, for a number of different reasons, but we had a major developer that wanted to develop property in Moscow and other places, but we decided not to do it. Playbind on the developer. Yeah, sure. Which isn't Trump for some reason?

If that be it. Like IC expert. Yeah, IC expert, crocus group, all these guys that were, you know, working through Felix, Sator and Cohen to try to get this shit done. But he's been trying to build a tower in Moscow since the 80s. And this is so obviously what the Russians do. They dangle this shit in front of you until they get what they want from you and then they pull the rug out from under you. And then they'll do it again until they get excited, you know, do, do, do in their bidding and then they pull it out again. It's so obvious and so clear.

They did it to Carter Page a bunch of times. And they even spelled it out that they did it to Carter Page. Yeah. In the book, Russian Roulette. They were like, you know, here's what we do. We promise him things. He brings us documents. We get documents.

We tell him to go fuck himself. Yeah, that's their strategy, their military strategy. Yeah, specifically spelled out by the GRU in 2013 and that white paper. And it's so obvious and Trump's like, I decided, I'm the decider. I didn't want to do the Trump tower. Yeah. Even though he promised Putin a $50 million pen house,

which Muller didn't put in the report. It's not in there. Interesting. I thought that was important. Yeah, where was that initially reported? New York Times, I think. Okay. Did he mention Ivanka having the spa and jewelry store in there? I wonder who's covering that then, because I don't know, that can't just be done with, right?

That's pretty suspicious. Yeah, all of it is, right? So you're like, where'd it go? There you go. Because this is really, he's only bringing this up, not for the fact that trying to get a deal done in Russia is legal or not, just for his Like why his to go toward his motive of why he's lying about it and trying to cover it up But yeah, so maybe that's why none of the Ivanka stuff is in here because they weren't investigating Ivanka for obstruction of justice Maybe I don't know. Yeah, fine Juley on both sides. That's my favorite thing ever came out of that

maybe I don't know. Yeah, fine. Jolary on both sides. That's my favorite thing ever. Him out of that. That's so funny. Cohen told Mueller. He recalled speaking with Trump after the press conference about Trump's denial of business dealings in Russia. Cohen was like, you said we, but I'm and we're, but what? So, you know, Cohen regarded this as a lie. Trump, you know, Trump saying we have nothing to do with Russia. A Cohen's like, yeah, no, we're totally are right this very second. And Trump told Cohen that Trump Tower of Moscow was not a deal yet, so it didn't count. And said, why mention it if it's not a deal? Exactly. It was around this time Cohen said he and other Trump advisors then had developed a party line that

Trump had not, you know, like zero business ties with Russia and no connections to Russia. That seemed to be the point where they all understood, wink and nod, that what they're supposed to say to the public is, Trump has no ties to Russia. No business ties, no deals, no nothing. Until the Mana 4 have fumbled. National television. Oops.

Something else, Mueller mentions here, was that in response to the public reporting on his Until Maniforre fumbled. National television. Oops. Something else, Mueller mentions here, was that in response to the public reporting on his ties to Russia, the campaign did a lot of stuff to distance itself from Russia, which shows consciousness of guilt, right? I think it's really interesting he put this in here. We've already gone over a lot of these in the report in like volume one, like when Trump folks would say in emails, hey, we have to keep this on the download because of the optics. It's not a good time to meet because of all the reporting on Russia.

We saw a lot of that in volume one, didn't we? And Mueller gives some examples here, including when JD Gordon declined in invitation to Kissley-Ox House, because the timing was not optimal in view of media reports about Russian interference. And when Manafort was asked to resign, amid media coverage, scrutinizing his Tasty and a Covage, that's another example of distancing themselves from Putin, basically, right? Also when the media published stories about Carter Page,

they fired him and told the press he played no role in the campaign, distancing themselves from Papadopolis. That's not in here, but all of this coffee boy. Yeah, just a coffee piece of cafe boy, but all this pushing away, right? Yeah, yeah, and then, I don't know, maybe to play Donald's advocate, were there times when he actually did become closer to Putin

and it looked weird? I want to say there were examples where we're like, dude, you're like, you know, being looked at right now, where are you doing this with us, dude? I feel like there were times when he might have gotten closer to Putin while being monitored for all this. So I like that Mueller included this. Maybe there were more examples of him, you know, pushing away, but it was a very push and pull kind of thing for a while, like as if Putin was pulling him back in and against Trump's will perhaps.

Yeah, and something that's not mentioned. The meeting in the Oval Office with the Russian ambassador and the other Russian guy, and the American press not being allowed in, or us having to find out about the six Trump Putin phone calls from Russian state television. Totally, and Helsinki, like him saying weird things that clearly go against American intelligence, it was almost like he was doing it with like, you know, kind of a gun,

a metaphorical gun to his head, or I don't know, maybe he actually thinks this, but I feel like sometimes Trump is forced back into Putin's circle we need a one to be. And not all of that's in here, which goes to show, I think that Mueller was like, I've got enough evidence just through the first eight months of the campaign.

Totally. To go toward corrupt intent or to go to show that you have a motive to obstruct the investigation. So it's just really interesting. And I think he does, he says he does this in two phases, pre-comie firing and post-comie firing. Yeah. So maybe we'll sort of see a shift in behavior.

A shift there? Yeah, that makes no sense. When we get to it, but then we get to October 7th. And October 7th was crazy. WikiLeaks dumped the first set of pedestrian emails on that day. It's the same day the government announced that the Russian, the Russians directed the recent Compromise of emails, Obama made a public announcement, and linked Russian hacking to the Wikileaks releases with the goal of interfering with the presidential election.

That was, became public from the administration. Further, they concluded that this could have only been authorized by the senior most Russian government officials Putin, basically. Some other things that happened on that day, October 7th, that aren't mentioned here, but we should provide some context for you. Both candidates were hold up, practicing for their debates, while Hurricane Matthew was approaching Florida. They were both briefed on Hurricane Matthew, and then the Cubs were about to start the World Series

that they would eventually win for the first time in over a century. Also October 7th, the Axis Hollywood tapes were dropped. That's the, I grabbed them by the puts in tapes. And also that day, Trump had accused Obama of ignoring the border so immigrants could vote. Like he accused Obama of turning a blind eye to let people across the border so that more Democrat, there would be more Democrat votes. And that

was his first- I mean, if you don't have to show your idea or anything when you go to vote, like you could just waltz over the border and into a polling location. You don't have to give your name or anything. Yeah, or like verify your address. I have a time. Yeah. It's so stupid. Yeah, and it is done, but this is his first attempt to say that the election was rigged

for the Democrats. Yeah, and that the borders are a big problem. I mean, I guess he'd been saying that, but really pushing it. But mostly, yeah, but mostly that, you know, the only reason he lost the popular vote was because four million immigrants were allowed to vote. That's right. That was totally debunked. He even created a whole agency to look into it.

Chris Kobach, the Kansas guy. I remember that. To look into voter fraud. And after about eight months, they're like, we got nothing. And they had to close up. Yeah, I remember. That was crazy.

Like for every to register to vote and then to actually vote, you have to have an ID, don't you? Yes, I believe. So the only way that someone would do that is if they successfully had a false social security identity. This reminds me of what happens. But yeah, it does. And they actually found four people who had illegally voted, but they were Republicans. Yeah. They used dead people's information. Do you remember A corn? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Corn, that's so true. People taking a lot of, yeah, exactly. Just, it's yeah, that's so true people taking a lot of yeah exactly just it's like that's almost a sped Sorry, the song is almost as bad as being like baptized when you're dead totally. Oh, yeah, don't vote for me This grounds getting pretty hot So so Roger Stone now Democrats. I feel him. I smell him. Right. So, Roger Stone, now, what a douche. He'd been teasing in October surprise since about October 1st. Here we go. John Podesta's time in the barrel, all those texts.

Stay tuned. Hillary. So, he's doing that. And he's like, stay tuned. He said that that day. And eventually the Access Hollywood tape came out and eventually within hours, Clinton's email was hacked, which isn't mentioned in here. Because again, this is about intent on obstruction,

not about the hacking. So it's just about his reaction to what was going on. And so Hillary was also dealing with the fact that someone hacked and released her mobile number. So she was receiving hundreds of calls and texts with death threats. God. And the like that day, as she's trying to debate prep and here comes Hurricane Matthew. And it's just an insane day.

So it got so bad they had to replace her phone. So it was an intense day. So not just the hurricane, Obama announcing the Russians hacked us to help Trump. The access Hollywood tape drops and then WikiLeague drops the pedestrian. WikiLeague drops the pedestrian. Yeah, it's not a coincidence. Well, maybe Hurricane Matthew, but not everything else. We waited for the hurricane. Yeah. To drop it. That's a sange. He's like, gotta wait for Hurricane. And a few days later, a pedestrian actually came out and said publicly the FBI was investigating the Russia hack and that Trump might have known ahead of time about the release. And Mike Pence was asked if the campaign was in Goots with WikiLeaks and he said nothing could

be further from the truth. I remember that. That was weird. Right. Lying so calmly. Then on to page 21, guys, and Trump's Russia denials after the election. So two days after I remember that. That was weird. Right. Lying so calmly. Then on to page 21, guys, and Trump's Russia denials after the election. So two days after Trump won, the Russians told their press that they had maintained contact with Trump's immediate entourage during the campaign. They said that publicly.

Hope Hicks responded, we are not aware of any campaign representatives that were in touch with any foreign entities before yesterday when Mr. Trump spoke with many world leaders. Hope Higgs actually said that to the public. I forgot that she- And she rarely says anything to the public. Right. Yeah, I forgot she even tried that. So that's funny. A month after the election, the press reported that the intelligence community had concluded with high confidence that Russia interfered in the election to help Trump. Trump reacted by saying, I think that's ridiculous. I think it's just another community had concluded with high confidence that Russia interfered in the election to help Trump.

Trump reacted by saying, I think that's ridiculous. I think it's just another excuse. And that's when he said his famous, no one really knows who was responsible for the hacking. And the intelligence community has no idea if it's Russia or China or somebody. It could be somebody sitting in a bed someplace. Well, we don't know where it goes to where 2.0 was sitting. So I guess, technically, he could have been sitting in his bed. I would have been 400 pounds. I've never seen so I guess, technically. He could have been sitting in his bed. I would have been.

He could have been 400 pounds. I've never seen his face. He might. He might have been. Yeah, that whole DC leaks and Guchiver 2.0, those were the two original ways that they were going to try to release these emails, the Russians. And then they hooked up with WikiLeaks.

WikiLeaks actually contacted them if I remember correctly from volume one like, hey bro, you want to can hey huh? Yeah me huh? And so that is also protected under first amendment stuff. Yeah, I guess so Tricky. Yeah, that's interesting to Solicit it and distributed Right, but again if this were flipped and it were information that the dossier I was passionate about being released to the public, then I would be like, yeah, fuck yeah, that should be protected. Yeah, totally. You're able to get that. It's true.

Totally. So after he did that whole city, it could be somebody sitting in their bed, Trump added the Democrats were, quote, putting out the story because they suffered one of the greatest defeats in the history of politics. That's crazy. That's crazy. Even though we got more votes. Yeah. Greatest defeat in the history of politics. I mean,. Even though we got more votes. Yeah.

Greatest defeat in the history of politics. I mean, his base really believes that though. Yeah, fucking idiot. They don't look stuff up if it's fun. Maybe in the sense that it was the furthest thing that anyone would ever believe that you were going to get elected, maybe in that sense. Most improved, yeah.

Yeah, the IP, not the IP, MVP. Yeah, yeah, totally. Biggest mind fuck. Maybe that. Yeah. Yeah, and. Biggest Mindfuck maybe. Maybe that. Yeah, and when everyone goes, what? Yes. What, bro?

What? Yeah, maybe the biggest what, bro? Total. Total election of all time. But then we get to December 18th after the election, about a month, a little more than a month after Ryan's previous, who we call the mole, went on Fox News and said, even this question is insane. Of course, we didn't interface with the Russians. And there it is again, insinuating that we're crazy, we're insane for thinking the Trump campaign had any contact with the Russians, where we have 200 pages of it, and that's just a summary.

Yeah, and we still think he's the mole, right? That was just moldy. I do still think he's the mole. I think he's given a lot of interviews and a lot of reporting. Yes. And I think he told Mueller a lot. Okay. He's shown up in pretty much every book we've read. Yes. Yeah.

And one way or another, he's really playing along with him, though. It's interesting. Yeah. And you know, here he is saying, you're insane if you think we had contacts with the Russians. And then when the Mueller report comes out, we have over 120 contacts with the Russians during the course of the campaign. Just that we know about it. Yeah, and that's just in the summary.

Yeah. So, previous then repeated Trump's insinuation that the entire thing was a spin job and people should be asking why Democrats were doing anything they could to deligitimize the outcome of the election. Spin job sounds strange. I'm glad you jumped on that.

I was also going to spin job. Yeah, spin job. The Cindy Yagnoni thing about that. Exactly. Gonna confuse some kids listening right now. Coming up on Cops for Love. It's a spin job. So, um, 10 days after that, after the previous Fox News,

uh, good times, on December 28th, the Obama administration announced their sanctions in response to Russian election interference. And when asked about the sanctions, Trump said he thought, we should get on with our lives. Another trope he uses over and over again when it comes to the Russian investigation. It's over its time to move on. It's exactly what Nixon tried over and over during Watergate. Trump put out a statement saying it's time for a country to move on to bigger and better things.

Like, more trees in. Bigger trees in. The more reports pretty big. Like more trees and bigger trees. The more reports pretty big. Oh, true, very thick. Yes. I thought it was great, so. But anyway, yeah, he was trying to just sweep it all

into the rug. Let's just move on. Let's just nothing to see here. Kind of exactly what he was doing with his loyalty asks with Comey. Just Flynn, I fired him. Let's just let it go, bro. And trying to move forward and brush it all into the rug.

And his advisors are like, this isn't, it's not over. Right. And trying to move forward and brush all under the rug. And his advisors are like, this isn't, it's not over. Right, maybe in his former life, he was able to do that as, you know, CEO of as a personal businessman or, yeah, somebody who, you know, had the, a person like Cohen, you know, as your fixer. Yeah, and no spotlight on you.

Fixing things, people could like things go. Telling people to not release his grades or telling women to not say that he had sex with them or that he got an abortion or that they got an abortion or that anything, anything. Yeah, you know? He really was kind of a king before this and he just, that same mentality

just transferred into a government position and it's totally different. I think he hates it. I think it's driving him crazy. I don't think he knew. He knew about it. He totally didn't. And a week after that, after the Obama sanctions were announced, Trump was briefed on Russian

interference. And after the briefing, the intelligence community released its public version of its assessment, which concluded with high confidence that Russia intervened in the election with the goal of harming Clinton's electability and with the goal of helping Trump. And as we know, Trump and Bill Barr are now looking into this determination. They're investigating it and will likely release information about the only conflict between the agencies that happened when this report was created, which is that the CIA and the FBI had high confidence that the Russians interfered to help Trump and Hillary, where the NSA

had moderate confidence. And there were some probably discussions behind the scenes about we have lower confidence, not low confidence, but we have lower than high confidence. It's called moderate, the new, and here's why. And I think those things can be taken out of context and used by Bill Barr and the Trump campaign to say, look, there were people within the intelligence community who didn't agree with this assessment. Totally.

When really the only difference is, instead of, they're super, they super did it, they mostly did it. Yeah, most likely did it. Yeah, yeah. We're pretty sure. Right, but semantics work out for privileged people. They get away with those little tiny loopholes.

Yeah, and the cherry picking as well. So it was just extra funny when Nunez actually went cherry picking and put the photos of it on Twitter. He must have been trolling. He's gotta be self-right, right? Yeah. I can't know.

I don't know if he doesn't care what you think. Yeah, look, I'm literally cherry picking today. Yeah, what are you gonna do? Suck it. Yeah, seriously, he's a piece of shit. He is. Moo. Uh, anyway, I really do think Trump's going to try to show this

as some sort of disagreement in the intelligence community about Russia being pro Trump or South-East. Right, right. It's totally not credible. Watch for it. And then he's going to call you insane if you think otherwise. So just be prepared for that. Good thing we don't need a consensus.

You broke the law. Yeah, totally. On to page 23 and how several days later, Buzzfeed published this deal, Dossie. And Trump responded, it's an absolute disgrace. Yes, you are. I have no dealings with Russia. I have no deals that could happen in Russia because we stayed away. So I have no deals. I have no loans.

I have no dealings. That was just wonderful. I have nothing. And he's just dealings. That was just wonderful. Wonderful. He's just wonderfully worded statement. Yeah, I have nothing. I have no deals, I have no dealings, I have no deals. We stayed away.

I couldn't happen in Russia, I have no deals, I have no loans, I have no dealings. There you go. They wouldn't give it to me. And he even said we could make deals in Russia very easily if we wanted to, I just don't want to oh my god I think that would be a conflict. Yeah, yeah, you know and unless Putin told him to say that yeah That's you and not right there Trump admits he knows it would be wrong. Mm-hmm if you catch that let me read it to you again

We could make deals in Russia very easily if we wanted to I just don't want to because I think that would be a conflict make deals in Russia very easily if we wanted to, I just don't want to because I think that would be a conflict. So he knows it would be wrong and that's important because it shows again Trump's corrupt intent to obstruct justice. In other words, he knew what he was doing was wrong and he illegally tried to cover it up and that's what this entire section is setting up. Showing us Trump's public response to these allegations to establish a motive for trying to obscure an obstruct and stop or

stifle or curtail the investigation. Yeah, that might be the most important line from all of that too, right? The fact that he knew, because then that ties into the whole, you have to have like an understanding that you're breaking the law. Knowingly and willfully, right? Yeah, and now we have all the evidence of, you know, him trying to make these deals or his team and him saying that he knows it's wrong. Like, what else do you need? That's probably what Mueller's saying. Like, what else do you need?

Congress. Yeah, and he's showing all this to establish a larger motive. And then as this volume two goes on, they're going to go into the individual obstructive acts and how they show corrupt intent specifically. So he's got this, he's building this broad umbrella of Trump hating this and knowing it's wrong and lying about it to deceive the public because he knows it's wrong, saying it would be a conflict, for example. And then after he makes that giant umbrella, he's going to go and he's going to individually list out. It's not, it's so damning.

And that's why over a thousand former federal prosecutors signed on saying if this were anyone else, they would be charged with at least five instances of obstruction of justice. Raisy. Obama would for sure. Yeah. And I find it odd here that Mueller left out juniors rants about Russia from July 2016. Remember when he was like, well, I just got to show you their exact moral compass. I mean, they'll say anything to be able to win this.

I mean, this is time and time again. Lie after lie. You notice he won't say, well, say this. We hear experts. You know, here's blah, blah, blah. He's inaudible. It says at home once so that it's what's happening with the Russians. It's disgusting.

It's so phony. I watched him bumble through the interview. I was able to hear it on audio a little bit. I mean, I can't think of bigger lies, but that exactly goes to show you what the DNC and what the Clinton Camp will do. They will lie and do anything to win. And I'm not sure how we escape scrutiny on this in this section, but he's not mentioned in here. Yeah, it's very interesting. It's all about Trump. I hope Trump never makes a podcast after this when he gets out because he just seems like the type. He should

call it inaudible though. That'd be really funny. Inaudible. Yeah, should call it inaudible though That'd be really funny Your ship just waiting to happen read by a nominish yeah, I'm on a miss In ominous yeah, and our makers What are the what are the markers that it was what are the oranges of that? Bar partisan that's my new favorite our partisan Bar Partisan, that's my new favorite one. Bar Partisan. Yeah, I'm totally excited.

Did he say that? Yeah, he did. Bar Partisan. He said it with his mouth. It was great. It wasn't a typo. It was a mouth typo. Sorry, guys, I'm not used to this stuff.

Right. Bar Partisan. They're all new to me. All these political words. I wonder if they showed him a school house. Someone has to have to try, man. He had just a prep. We tried to make him training videos.

Like, you know, there's really dumb training videos you get when you start a Taco Bell job and they're like, Hey, welcome to the team. Here at Chachkeys we we believe in teamwork. Yeah, I tried to make a your present now. That means this you know we tried to make this whole training video but we never really finished it. That'd be fun to finish up. Yeah, yeah. How do you guys want you to do that? That's a thing. He wouldn't. He wouldn't.

It's totally fine. So Mueller concludes here saying multiple Trump aids told him that Trump viewed stories about his Russian connections, the Russian investigations, and the IC assessment as a threat to the legitimacy of his victory. Another motive to obstruct justice, right? Mueller gives examples, too too of the legitimacy, where Hope Hicks said Trump viewed the icy assessment as his Achilles heel.

Sean Spicer said Trump thought the Russia story was developed to undermine the legitimacy of his election. Gates said Trump viewed the Russia investigation as an attack on legitimacy of his win. And previous said that when the icy report came out, Trump was concerned people would question his legitimacy. So this reminds me too of how Trump hung his electoral map victory on Hope Hicks's desk right outside of the Oval Office as if to remind all who entered that he won fair and

square despite losing by millions of votes. Yeah. And he said those millions of votes came from illegal means that it was rigged and he won in the greatest victory anyhow and he was very protective and still is of a legitimacy of his campaign or of his victory. And his concern about the legitimacy goes right to the heart. His concern about the legitimacy goes right to the heart of corrupt intent. And I actually believe it too. He probably thinks that Democrats can still vote just as easily as Republicans do.

So he probably really thinks that migrants or immigrants can vote. Like he might not even understand that. No, he probably doesn't. He probably doesn't. But this insecurity and weakness is probably going to be his greatest downfall. Totally.

Yeah, and everything that he does, I'm sure it already has been. Totally. It's a slow down, Paul. It's real gradual. Yeah, it's quite too slow. He's like a fucking feather, dude. Just like, just go to the ground. Oh, that's just so cool.

Can imagine you fighting with a feather now. Yeah, just go to the ground. Push it down. Swabbing at it. Yeah, it's elusive. It's still with sping. Forrest gump. He's putt like running.

You see that trump meme? You took it for your home. Where he's sitting at the bench like Forrest Gump and it says one day it just felt like running. It's so good. Forrest trump I think it is. It was called Forrest trump. Oh my god that's so good. Or is Trump, I think it is, but it was called or is Trump. Oh my god, that's so great. Your mom sure does care about your school.

I can't imagine who wouldn't like that movie. I've heard some people don't. That's a classic. Really? It's so easy to watch. Yeah, I love it. It's like... Peanut butter. Well, some people die if they have peanut butter.

So sorry, I mean to, I'm gonna get emails. I apologize. I didn't mean to peanut butter shame. Join us next week guys. We're gonna cover part B of the Presidents Interactions with Flynn. That's what this part B. I'm gonna try to get it all into one if I don't. We might have to split it up into two. But check out part B. Read ahead if you know if you feel like it and as we This we're gonna further explore the evidence of motive to abstract justice So do you guys have any final thoughts? No, this is fun. There's a lot of potential sketches that came from this Yeah, yeah, I dig it. I like the forest Trump meme. Yeah, so we gotta find that but

We've got to make more of those. Yeah, yeah, go to the hack their premise We've been making more of those. Yeah, yeah. Go to the hack, they promise. Oh, good. I'm credit yet. I got a pee. Mean royalties. All right, guys, thanks so much.

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