Jack - Mueller Report Pt. 12

Episode Date: August 8, 2019

Join us for Part 12 of our special deep-dive coverage of the redacted Mueller Report. In parts 1-9, we covered volume 1. In part 10 & 11 we covered the introduction, executive summary, section 1, and section 2 A. Today we look at volume two, section 2 part B, which covers the evidence regarding the President’s conduct concerning the investigation of Michael Flynn. Thanks for supporting Mueller She Wrote! Become a patron at patreon.com/muellershewrote. 

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So to be clear Mr. Trump has no financial relationships with any Russian oligarchs. That's what he said. That's what he said. That's what I said. That's obviously what our position is. I'm not aware of any of those activities. I have been called a surrogate at a time, a true, and that campaign, and I didn't have,

not have communications with the Russians. What do I have to get involved with Putin for? I have nothing to do with Putin. I've never spoken to him. I don't know anything about a mother. Then he will respect me. Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. So, it is political.

You're a communist! No, Mr. Green. Communism is just a red herring. Like all members of the oldest profession, I'm a capitalist. APPLAUSE Hello and welcome to Mueller, she wrote. This is part 12 of our special coverage of the Redacted Mueller Report. In parts one through nine, we covered volume one, and in parts ten and eleven,

we covered the Introduction Executive Summary, section one and section two a. And today we're going to look at volume 2, Section 2 Part B, the evidence regarding the president's conduct concerning the investigation of Michael Flynn. I'm your host A.G. And with me, as always, are Jelisa Johnson. Hello. And Jordan Cobran. Hello.

How you guys doing? Pretty good. Yeah. I'm doing good. Excellent. How are you? I'm hanging in there. Today was a long day. There was a lot of news. There's a lot of stuff We got to do daily beans. We got to do we had an interview for Friday morning with Jen Bud from

Border Patrol from former Border Patrol agents That's gonna come out for daily beans on Friday morning. That was really eye opening and A lot just a lot going on. Yeah, you need a midday nap. I took one. I'm incredible. Oh you dick Number two late nap right now. No, I'm being nap-n-v. I have it. Whoo! And then you have to put your arm up in the air. Oh, yeah. So the penis envy jingle? Pretty much. Kind of. Is there one?

Just make that up. I'm gonna change it up. Oh, okay. But it could also be the penis envy jingle. Oh, I'm wondering about it with a penis at the end, or something? On a penis envy jingle. Uh, because there's probably is one. Yeah. All right, so as we know, during the transition, Flynn spoke to the Russian ambassador,

Kislyak, about Obama sanctions, right? And then he lied to administration officials who repeated those lies to the public and then he lied to the FBI about those conversations as well. So he just lied everywhere. The DOJ officials informed the incoming administration that Flynn had lied to the FBI. Well, sort of, we'll get into it, but that Flynn had told the FBI the same thing he told the administration officials about his contacts with the Russians, which relies. And the following night, Trump had his private dinner with Komi asking him for loyalty.

In a couple of weeks later, Trump asked Flynn to resign. And the next day Trump spoke to Comey again, asking if he could see his way clear to letting Flynn go. So this section, which begins on page 24 and on page 48, lays out all the evidence and then provides an analysis as to how this obstructive act meets the three requirements or not of criminal obstruction of justice under the federal criminal guidelines. And those three things are an obstructive act nexus to a judicial proceeding or no official proceeding and intent. So we'll go over that. But part one is the evidence that Flynn discussed sanctions with

Russian Ambassador Kislyak. So this lays out all the events we already know that if you've been listening, if not, welcome. First that Obama imposed sanctions for election interference on Russia December 29th, where he announced the sanctions. And then the incoming administration, Trump administration, exchanged emails about the impact of the sanctions. And most of the team was at Mar-a-Lago,o including k team of farland but flin was in the Dominican Republic

and they communicated extensively while he was there uh... and she was in mara logo about flin speaking to the russian ambassador and there is evidence the administration discusses strategy on possible responses from russia but after all that all after all the discussion flin called kissley act the same day the sanctions were announced and asked them to not escalate a response. Like, if you're going to respond, do it, reciprocal, not escalatable. And then those words are not correct. But you know what I mean.

He then briefed K.T. McFarland on the call saying Russia was not going to respond with escalation. And the next day, Putin announced Russia wouldn't take retaliatory measures. And as we know, Trump tweeted great move on delay by V Putin, which just is not a good way to say his name. V Putin. Yeah, like if you were ever like in trial, it'd be something V Putin. That'd be really cool.

Yeah, V Putin. Yeah, the world V Putin. Yeah, pretty much. Except for five other countries. And Trump. And then Trump said, I always knew he was very smart. So there was that tweet. And then the day after that, Kislyak called Flynn back

to tell him his request was received at the highest levels in Russia. And they chose not to retaliate in response to Flynn's request. So Flynn felt really good about himself. And he briefed McFarland on that call. And McFarland recalled, Flynn thought his phone call made the difference. The Intel community in which he should think that because Kisley Act told him that. And the next day, they decided not to, and then Trump thanked him.

And the Intel community was surprised that Russia didn't retaliate, and then found out Flynn spoke to them. And they already had an investigation opened into Flynn, based on his Russia contacts, but Flynn's contacts with Kisley Act then became a key component component of that investigation because this all went down before Mueller was even appointed. This is all part of Crossfire Hurricane. Merrrr, right? So the evidence for all this comes from the FBI interviews with Flynn, McFarland, McCord, that's, oh, Trump's Twitter account and Prebus. It has outlined in the footnotes. And I think it's great because a long time ago we would release these memes that said, you know, Trump's Twitter account would be used in

evidence. And we would talk about that. And here it is. It's right in there. Yeah, you're right. Well, how the future is now. The future is now. Yeah, beans came true. So him talking to Kizliak though and saying that that's that that's not like criminal behavior. Well, that's what we're gonna find out, because there were some things people were concerned about violating the Logan Act, which nobody's ever been prosecuted under in the United States,

but it does say that you can't act as a government official on behalf of the United States government if you're not in the United States government. When it was still the transition period. Yeah. And no one's really been processed under this one, like it's never been charged. No been charged. Well, how many other laws are just sitting there waiting to be accused?

I know I know the lost laws. Yeah, like the one in Texas that says you can have more guns than you can have dildos I wonder how the hell you enforce that, dude. I heard a stat by okay. I'm so sorry Bernie on Rogan Did you hear about that? No, He did it yesterday or oh my God. I listened to a little bit of it, but what? Yeah, I didn't check anything. But he talks about guns a lot, quick statistic on guns. Apparently we have more guns than we have people. Yeah, 100 guns for every person.

100? Yeah, yeah. Damn, I did not know. Yeah, that's the staff that I heard. If I was like 51 or something. I heard 122 specifically. And then the second country to have as many, or like the second most is I get in with 44 per every person.

So 12 per every person. Yeah, that's the worst surf city ever. Yeah, it's just fucking crazy. Yeah, and most of them are owned by 7% of gun owners. Right, so they're and most of her own by seven percent of gun owners, right? So they're all super concentrated. Exactly. So that's where all the evidence comes from FBI interviews with Flynn McFarland McCord, Trump's Twitter account and Prebus mole.

I have we've always said Prebus was the mole in the administration. Turns out there were quite a few. Yeah, he's counting a mere cat to me. Yeah, look at. Oh, well what arms down. Spoken his head out, you know. Oh, my arms don't work. Heading. I wish you guys could see what we're doing. On to page 27, subsection 2, the evidence supporting Trump having been briefed on the intelligence community's assessment of Russian interference and Congress opening election interference investigations.

And this section begins with the Trump briefing of election interference. And how after the briefing, we've talked about this, Trump was briefed one-on-one by Comey about the p-tap, right? The very sensitive part of the steel dossier. And Comey wrote about this in his book. Comey wrote another contemporaneous memo after this meeting, he wrote a memo, which stated Trump opened the meeting

by telling Komi he'd acted honorably over the past year and had a great reputation. He also told Komi he hoped he planned to stay on as the FBI director. There's of course contradicts everything he said publicly afterwards. After Komi briefed Trump on the p-tap, as we know, Trump became defensive.

This part isn't in there, but Trump said he's a germaphob. He doesn't like pee, and he's so awesome. He doesn't need to hire prostitutes. So he told that to Comey. Not in the report, I guess that wasn't really relevant to the investigation, I suppose, but what Mueller did include was that Comey assured Trump. He wasn't being investigated personally, because he didn't want Trump to think of the conversation as a J. Edgar Hoover move, right? And the reason he said that was J. Edgar Hoover did that to, yeah, so that's he didn't want that to. Wait, what did he do? J. Edgar Hoover did that to the president at the time. It was like a battle between the administration and J. Edgar Hoover at the time.

So he didn't want it to come across like that. I don't know if Trump would even know what the fuck and J. Edgar Hoover at the time. So he didn't want it to come across like that. I don't know if Trump would even know what the fuck that is, but he didn't want, you know, you know, Comey, sanctimonious choir boy that he is. So four days later, the media reported that Comey briefed Trump on the steel dossier and BuzzFeed published it for the first time, four days later. Trump called, and the guy got to say,

the media was all over this, Washington Post, New York Times, all this stuff that is coming up in the report. It's a couple of days later that we're getting this through public reporting, and that's just pretty incredible. Yeah. And that was why I was thought previous was the mole. But four days later, the media reported

that Komi briefed him. And then January 13th the Sissy, which is the Senate select committee on intelligence, opened an inquiry into Russian interference. And then on January 25th the Hipsi announced it's conducting an investigation into it. That's the House permanent select committee on intelligence. And February 2nd the Senate Judiciary announced their investigation. All Republican led, mind you. So three investigations open in Republican led committees in Congress.

On to page 29, Flynn's lies to the media, transition officials, and the FBI. So this is a fun section. On January 12th, Washington Post reported that Flynn and Kisley-Aks spoke on the day Obama announced sanctions and wondered if he undercut the sanctions and if he violated the letter or the Spirit of the Logan Act. That's what Washington Post was wondering when they reported that.

So what is the Logan Act, as we said, is you can't act like you in the government when you're not in the government. You can't do stuff like that. Yeah. I mean, it's confusing for him because he had contacts well before he was even in the transition period, right? So, yeah. So, this is just more of the usual for me, guys. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I And that is totally evident too when I think it was Isikov from Yahoo interviewed Flynn about his speaking engagements in Russia And he's like did Russia pay you to speak here? And he's like you're up to talk to my guy who takes my speaker money

And he's like well, you don't know if you were paid by Russia's like yeah, you just talk to that guy And he's like okay, well, who's that guy? It's the guy who ranges my speaking You're like all right Flynn guy who ranges my speaking. You know, you're like, all right, Flynn. So in response to all this, Trump called up pre-biss and asked what the hell, bro. And in turn, because this is the reporting, public reporting that Flynn and Kisley asked folks, so Trump called pre-biss and said, what's going on? And in turn, pre-biss called Flynn and told him Trump was mad. Flynn told Mueller he felt pressure to kill the story because the boss quote unquote was mad. And the use of the word boss here

was purposefully put in by Mueller, probably because it's like a mob kind of thing, right? Boss was in quotes. So Flynn told McFarlane to call the Washington Post and refute the story and she made that call even though she knew it was a lie. And she told Mueller that. She's like, she made that call even though she knew it was a lie and she told Mother that she's like I made that call even though I knew he did When pre-biss and other incoming officials question Flynn Flynn lied to them saying he didn't discuss sanctions with kissley

Act and he repeated that claim to Pence and spicy Sean Spicer who we call spicy and in subsequent media interviews, Flynn, Pence, Prebus, and Spicy all denied it based on those denials that Flynn said, the conversations with Flynn. And that's weird, because Prebus knew it was a lie. Even if Pence didn't, a Prebus knew. And so did KT McFarland. Yeah, based on him being tasked by Trump to tell Flynn what the hell because Trump knew it happened. So he would have had to have either believed. I'm trying to think of what argument he could have

possibly made. There are arguments that Mueller will make at the end of this section that Trump likely didn't know or he couldn't get enough evidence. I so what was he upset about then? Trump? Yeah. He was upset. He was upset. Bad look, right? Flynn talked to the Russians. Right. Not specifically about sanctions, just the fact that he talked to the Russians at all. Right.

Okay. Yep. Or, you know, maybe it was about sanctions. I don't know if Washington Post, I haven't read that Washington Post article in a long time. It might mention that they discussed sanctions, but I don't know. But every time Trump finds out about these conversations and he will eventually find out that they discussed sanctions, but I don't know. But every time Trump finds out about these conversations, and he will eventually find out that they discussed sanctions,

he's upset. Yeah. And because of those reasons, I think we'll find out in the end under intent that Trump might not have known. But anyway, the public statements from the transition officials who say that Flynn never spoke to Kissley Act, surprised Department of Justice officials because they knew that he did. They didn't say why or how they knew, but I think it's because they actually intercepted those calls.

Okay. Because he was already being monitored. Exactly. He was already investigated. Or investigated. Or investigated at the very least. Totally. So the DOJ is like, what? Why are Pence and Prebus and Bannon?

Why are all these people saying that Flynn didn't talk to Kislyak? We know he did. Did Flynn tell them he didn't? That's weird. So those, and that's a crux of this here. The Department of Justice officials were concerned that Flynn lied to the administration officials who in turn lied to the administration officials who in turn lied to the press creating a compromised situation

for Flynn with Russia, because the Department of Justice knew Russia could prove Flynn was lying. So the FBI also knew that Flynn's conversation and subsequent lies raised Logan Act issues that were relevant to their broader Russia investigation. Then after Flynn was sworn in as National Security Advisor, after Trump was inaugurated, Flynn was interviewed by the FBI and lied to them as well about both calls to him from Kislyak,

because he called him and then Kislyak called him back. And then subsection four on page 31, that's about the Department of Justice officials notifying the White House that Flynn lied and was compromised. And we all know this story if you've been following Mueller, she wrote, or you watch Maddo. On January 26th, Sally Yates, the acting attorney general, told McGann that she needed to discuss a sensitive matter with him, and they met later that day, and also Mary McCord from the Department

of Justice was there, and James Burnham from the White House Council's office was there. So that's who is at that meeting, and Don McGann and Sally Eats, of course. And she told them that Flynn lied to Pence and Spicer and was compromised by the Russians. But she didn't say he lied to the FBI. She did tell him again that he had told what he said to Pence and Spicer, he told the FBI the same thing, but never flatly admitted that he lied to the FBI. But McGahn came away from the meeting somehow thinking that she hadn't pinned him down online to the FBI and then asked John Eisenberg, a legal adviser to the National Security Council

to examine potential legal issues raised by Flynn's FBI interview and conversations with Kisleyak. So again, then told Trump about it, and Trump asked him to repeat it. So he did. And then he told Trump that Flynn did not disclose having discussed sanctions with Kisleyak, and that there may not be a clear violation of 1,011, Section 18, lying right to the FBI the president asked what that was and so he explained explained it to him get used to it he get used to what one thousand one is buddy uh... and he also explained him what the Logan act was and this isn't in the report here but i remember uh... reporting that McGon or isenberg it actually

googled one,000 and the Logan Act, right? Because they had evidence of that. You remember that? Yeah, yeah, at least they did their research, though. I am proud of them for that. Yeah, for sure. And Trump told McGann to work with Previs and Bannon to look into the matter further and

not discuss it with anyone else. That's an important part. And Previs told Mueller that the president was angry with Flynn, saying, not again, this guy, this stuff. Okay. Another kind of clue that Trump might not have known that someone had directed him. So the big question becomes, who directed him? Yeah, it's interesting because at the time when all of this was dropping, especially when it was coming out that Pence was upset because he was lied to because that was reported

as a headline a lot was like how Pence felt bamboozled. I was always thinking there's no way they didn't know. Yeah, and so if it turns out that Trump didn't know, then it probably makes sense that Pence also didn't know, right? And that that was legitimate. Yeah, that could be totally true. And it seems to at least there's not enough evidence here. And Mueller will explain later that these actions sort of dictate that because Trump wouldn't

be mad or surprised by this reporting if he had directed it to happen. So you know, and he gets into it pretty heavy in the intent part of the analysis at the end. So that same night, Trump told him began to work with Pribus and not tell anybody and look into it. And Pribus told all that stuff. That evening, and this is new to me,

the president dined with top advisors and asked what they thought about Comey. According to Dan Coates, no one openly advocated firing Komi, but the consensus was not positive. I didn't know that. On to all would have been there. Top advisors, ban and pre-biss, pants, maybe, I don't know, pencil only dines with mother.

So yeah, jerks, yeah, it makes sense. At least it's not like the heads of, I mean, I guess the heads of intelligence agencies are not advisors. So I'm good to know that there's nobody there that would have. Well, Cotes was there.

Yes, except for that whole guy that runs everything. Yeah, the link of communications between all of the intelligence agencies. Right, but he was handpicked. I mean, yeah, how else would you do it? I don't think you get like nominated by senators or congressmen or anything, right? You have to be confirmed. You're nominated and confirmed.

Right, but nominated by the president. Yeah. I'm trying to think back to any ridiculous things he may have said that would out him as a Trump appointing specifically before he's never a liked him. So that's why I was wondering if he was a holdover. Cotes was announced as then president-elect Donald Trump's nominee for the position January 5th 2017. So yeah that's a Cotes is a Trump dude. Yeah. Okay on to page 32 and subsection five about McGann's

follow-up meeting about Flynn with Yates and Trump's dinner with Komi. Oh, so here's the Google stuff that I was talking about before. January 27th, McGann and Eisenberg discussed the results of Eisenberg's research into the S.B. and Ajax Act and the Logan Act. That's the Google part. Or, and 2001. He told McGann that Flynn may have violated 1,011, second 18, and the Logan Act, but that no one had been prosecuted under the Logan Act, and Flynn could have some 1,001, 2,18 and the Logan Act, but that no one had been prosecuted

under the Logan Act, and Flynn could have some defenses for that. He also didn't say which ones, but he also told him that it was unlikely that they'd charge him with the Logan Act violation given the circumstances. That same day, McGann called Yates back to the White House,

and that's when Yates told him, she brought this up so that the White House would actually take action. Again, Astro for access to the underlying information that the Department of Justice had on Flynn's discussion with Kissley Act, likely the phone calls. Also that same day, Trump invited Komi to dinner for the evening. Prebus warned him not to talk about Russian, no matter what. And again, he had previously told Trump not to communicate directly with the Department of Justice. Bannon suggested that he had previous attend but Trump said no and Komi was also surprised when he saw a table for two. I remember he was pretty much like

just you and he like no what's that? It's like a worst 10 or 8. Yeah yeah. No, what's that? It's like a worst 10 or 8. Yeah, yeah. Totally. So this very sexy dinner, Komi took notes on this meeting and said, Trump brought up Komi's future repeatedly. And it seemed that he wanted Komi to ask to keep his job,

which is like a weird sort of mob thing again, right? Like, your future, let's think about your future, blah blah blah. And and and Komi read that as he wants me to ask to keep my job. So Trump also told, and that because that would be an in for him to say you can have it, but if you're loyal, you know, that would be his, his gateway into the loyalty ask, but Komi didn't fall for it. And Trump also told Komi he was thinking about having the FBI investigate the P-tap allegations to prove they were false. And Komi said, that's a bad idea. Demi, because saying that would make it look like you're under investigation and you're

not. So Trump also told Komi that Flynn has serious judgment issues. So this is another instance of Trump kind of bash and Flynn a little little bit for you know finding out he talked to Kisleyak So yeah, he has flint has some judgment issues no argument here Then came the loyalty ask so he couldn't he couldn't trap Komi into asking for his job So he just asked him outright. I need loyalty. I expect loyalty Komi didn't respond and Trump brought up his future again and then said he needed loyalty and Komi responded You'll get honesty you'll always get honesty for me and Trump said he needed loyalty and Komi responded you'll get honesty.

You'll always get honesty for me and Trump said that's what I want. Honest loyalty. And Komi said fine you will get that from me like almost just like whatever dude can I go home now? Yeah can you imagine God how baddy we want the check in that scenario? I think this is a public restaurant they're eating. No they were in the oval office with a table set up for two. Oh God, that's so weirdly romantic. I know. In the Oval Office.

I didn't even know they ate in there. It was just weird. I feel like that's like a back seat of a brand new car situation. Yeah, it might go and bring any fucking peanuts. I want nothing in here. It might be right. I might not have been the Oval Office. It might have been the presidential dining room.

It was like the red room or something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. Fowl. Very light present. Very light present.

Curtains. So, um... Tendenabras. Wouldn't be. Oh, I guess. Mia. So, this is what he's been spending all the money on Yeah, he's really into me and he's to be sentient

Look what the DOD did for me Kindle robots. I've always wanted Hey you guys calls up fucking mad at me Do you think you can make some candle robots in a teapot? Yeah for me the whole fjr guest, but all they do is serve McDonald's. That's actually people in suits because they're like, no, we don't have that technology. So, when reports of this dinner and the loyalty ask came out, the president lied to the public, saying he never asked for loyalty and that Comey asked for the dinners because he wanted to keep his job.

Mueller says there's mountainous evidence showing that this is bullshit. He asked for loyalty, mountainous evidence, he asked for loyalty, and the presidential daily diary shows Trump asked for the dinner, not komey. The daily diary for the president. That's cute. Dear diary. Are you there, God? It's me, Trump.

Never, never happened. God's like, nope. Nope. La la la la. La la la la. Sorry, not home. Washington, my beard. God's not home.

Ding dong. No. So anyway, the presidential daily diary shows Trump asked for the dinner and senior FBI officials corroborated Comey's notes on what occurred because he told them about it as well. What's not mentioned is who those seniors officials, as soon as senior officials are, but we know we've called the Comey 5 and they're ended up being six. That's why you listen to Mullershi wrote those people are boatage,

Gattis, James Baker, Bente is the sixth, McCabe and Rubikie. That sounds right. Yeah, I think the Jackson five and then it being six, too, at a certain time. Yeah, and there was a fifth beetle. There's overlap there. Yeah, there's always a plus one.

Scandal. So that's who those folks are. Those are the top FBI officials. So when you see that mentioned in the report, top FBI officials who also corroborated the these because Comey didn't only take these contemporaneous notes. He told the FBI officials to and the FBI officials corroborated exactly what Comey told them without seeing his notes and You know, they all have the same exact same story. I mean they did that for on purpose So big just for this reason for this very thing. And then

on to page 36 in Flynn's resignation, right? This section is about those weird 18 days after Yates told McGahn Flynn was compromised and wanted the White House to act up until he left the day before Valentine's Day. So on February 2nd, Eisenberg prepped a memo about Flynn, but didn't think he had enough information to make a recommendation to Trump. Eisenberg and McGahn thought it was unlikely Flynn would be prosecuted under the Logan Act, and they didn't have enough info to know if Flynn had lied to the FBI, because Yates didn't come out and tell him that directly. But he's compromised.

He's compromised. You have to do this. Why do you think she didn't start it? Why do you think she didn't tell them about the FBI, about lying on the FBI? Because he was probably gonna be under investigation to harm to not going investigation. And also a potential subject or target, it would be like telling Carthief number two,

that Carthief number one is under investigation. Yeah. It's like interesting. To protect future prosecution, I would assume. Yeah, sorry, interrupt. No, no worries. And this is weird too. They didn't discuss Sally Yates' biggest concern

that Flynn was compromised because he lied and Russians knew it. They didn't talk about that at all. They were only worried if they could get him online and if they could get him on the Logan actor, espionage. Didn't talk once, when I owed a, about the fact that he's compromised by the Russians. That he lied and the Russians know it. So that's weird. Because of just public reporting. Yeah, basically. Yeah, and to be fair,

they had asked for the underlying materials, like the recorded calls, but they didn't get them. So maybe they didn't think that he was compromised, but Yates told them he was compromised, and maybe they just didn't believe her because it's a lady. I don't know. Classic. Classic lady stuff. So the week of February 6th Flynn met with Trump to discuss it all, called him into the principal's office and Trump was pretty mad at him. He asked Flynn what he talked about to Kisleyak, like what was that about and Flynn said they might have talked about sanctions. And this is fucking weird because McFarland and we just were talking about this Jordan who McFarland was with Trump at Mar-a-Lago. New Flynn was going to talk to Kissley-Aka about sanctions.

And that was the whole reason for the call. And then Flynn told her he did after he did and he told a bunch of other campaign transition team members as well. He even took credit for it, told spicy, told Prebus. I, we kept thinking there's no way Trump doesn't know, right? But here's Trump and he'll have a lot of seeing what the fuck. And, and Mueller got this information about the Trump meeting with Flynn from Flynn in late 2017, according to the footnotes.

So you have to wonder, was Flynn lying to Mueller or did Trump not know? But Mueller does make a pretty good case for Trump not knowing. And so it just seems hard to me that he wouldn't. And who did direct him to make those calls if not Trump? Yeah, it's pretty convincing that Trump wouldn't know something. Yeah, that's true. I would be more like that.

That's true. Not a hard thing to believe. Could they have been wrapped up in the other dealings he was doing that was going to result in him getting his own capital out of the deals? Yeah, I don't know. Like maybe some Turkey, Russia, connection or something. Yeah, maybe that might be something to consider too, because Flynn was working with IP3,

Bud McFarland, KT McFarland is Bud McFarlane's protege trying to put together this deal with giving nuclear reactors to Saudi Arabia that you have to lower sanctions on Russia in order to build, because not just that, because you have to get them to back off Iran or go against Iran because they were pro Iran. And so maybe that was Flynn doing acting on his own being like I got to save my martial plan. And so I'm going to tell the Russians were coming in and we don't want sanctions knowing that Trump didn't want the sanctions either.

So it could be that too. Yeah, it's like his baby right at the martial plan. Yeah, it's like Flynn Jr. The real Flynn Jr. Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, Flynn Jr. Please stay up. Yeah, Tom Barrick.

Oh, if Flynn and Barrick had a baby, it would be the martial plan. You're a Flin and Barric too. Yeah. Tom Barric. Oh, if Flin and Barric had a baby, it'd be the Marshall Plan. It would be 18 nuclear reactors in the Middle East. That's what I mean. There's got to be communications between Flin and Barric. Yeah.

I mean, we have the text messages too. And so I think that's what's going to be all part of the investigation. And then, you know, you put Barric in the inaugural and it's like, oh, well, maybe that's where all that money went. Yeah. So, or at least donations came from, like, where did they come from? I can't wait to see. It is under investigation now.

So, anyway, here's where McCabe comes into the story. McCabe. So, February 9th, Washington Post reported that Flynn discussed sanctions with Kisley Act the month before the president took office. And this is where the public reporting comes out. Jordan, we can be clear because you'd asked this earlier, this is when the public reporting said that they talked about sanctions. And then Pence learned about Sally Yates telling the White House about Flynn's calls.

And at that point, Pence and the other advisors sought and got access to the underlying information about Flynn's contacts with Kissley Act. McCabe was there when they reviewed it and recalled them asking if Flynn's conduct violated the Logan Act. And McCabe says he didn't know, but the FBI was investigating that because it's a possibility. Again, in previous concluded, though, that Flynn had lied about his conversations with Kissley Act to the team and this is new. Flynn told White House officials the FBI told him they were closing out their investigations into him, which was also a lie.

What the hell? And that's why they decided to fire Flynn. So he was saying that they tried to save himself from getting fired or something? Yeah, because Flynn told the White House officials that the FBI said, oh yeah, like don't worry guys, this is about to blow over. When they came in and talked to me, that wasn't the thing. They were telling me that they're closing the investigation. Wow.

That's so funny. To save his job. He's got to get that Marshall plan. Yeah. That's, ever. I think that was his whole goal, you know? Interesting. And I guess he wasn't yet at the point when he wanted to divulge that whole plan to

Donald Trump and tell him, trust me, this is going to be better for all of us. Yeah, except I think there are Seth Abramson, proof of conspiracy, cited meetings with people from the Trump administration back in as early as 2015, but I don't know when and how it got all the way up to Trump. On February 12th, the president asked Flynn if he had lied to Pence. And Flynn said he didn't think so. Mm-hmm.

He may have fine lie. He may have forgotten details of the calls. The next day, Priebus told Flynn he had to resign. And Flynn was sad. He wanted to buy by hugs. So Priebus took him to the Oval Office and get this. The president hugged him and said, we'll give you a good recommendation. You're a good guy. We'll take care of you.

Wow. We'll take care of him. Amarosa did not get that treatment. No, she was handed a box and said, pack half your stuff and get the fuck out. Actually, yeah, only half because they still have the other half. They still have five boxes of emails or whatever. According to Amarosa. Just note. On page 38, subsection 7, Trump discussed, this is called Trump Discusses Flynn with Comey. And on February 14th, the day after Flynn's resignation, happy Valentine's Day, Trump had lunch with Chris Christie and told him that since Flynn is gone, the rush of things over.

And Christie said, no way. Dude, the rush of things over. And Christy said, no way. Dude, the rush of thing is far from over. And we'll be here on Valentine's Day next year talking about this. And Trump asked, what do you mean? And Flynn met with the Russians. That was the problem. I fired Flynn.

It's over. And Christy told him there was no way to make an investigation shorter, but there are lots of ways to make them longer. And he advised Trump to never talk about the investigation and told him that he'd never be able to get rid of Flynn. It would be like gum on the bottom of his shoe. Wow. This is definitely like a scene in the Mueller movie where they're sitting at. I imagine it's a beach shore lunch. But like oh nice.

Yeah. Christy with his big like Hawaiian shirt on. Yeah. This sunglasses like it it's never gonna be over. Yeah. It's come on your shoe, man. These are like movie scenes in my head that they're written, right? Yeah, yeah. They totally are.

And this is interesting to me, because later when Trump would say why he fired Comey, he said he thought it would make the investigation longer. He remember, he was like, I did it even though I knew it could even make the investigation longer. He remember we was like, I did it even though I knew it, we could even make the investigation longer. And that's probably because Christy told it. That's the sure of it I was.

Yes, because Christy told him you can't make him shorter, bro, you could only make him longer. He's like, ah, yeah, I forgot that you told me that until after. And he just seemed to be quoting Christy right there. I could be totally wrong. That's just a space beans. So Trump told Christy to call Comey and tell him that he liked him. Hey, you call me, call, tell him I like him.

Christie said, yeah, sure. And he never fucking did. He was told Mueller's like, that's stupid. I'm not doing that. What connection does Christie have to Molly? Not Mueller. Comey. Oh, got it. Sorry. Yeah. Trump told Christie to call Comey. Did I say Mueller? I think so. Damn. Unless I'm has heard that to call Comey and be like, I heard Comey, Oh, got it. Sorry, mole, Trump told Christie to call Comey. Did I say molar? I think so. Damn. Unless I'm has heard that.

To call Comey and be like, I heard Comey, but yeah, yeah. I still think it's juvenile, like for him to be like, call him for me and tell him I like him. It sounds like some middle school shit, right? It is, but it has a purpose and it will come back to bite him in the butt because at 4 p.m. that afternoon, the president met with a few people

in the Oval Office, then they cleared everyone out but Komi and sat in, you remember sessions and Kush tried to stick around, but then he shoot them out. Yeah, yeah. And then at some point, I didn't know this, but this is a great movie scene. So they're in there by themselves, like sessions and Kushner want to stay and he's like, no, everybody get out. So they get out, and then like a minute later, pre-bist sticks his head in the door. Yeah, like the nearer drops like, get out of here. It's like, oh my god. I got any fuck everything up when you're alone.

That's so fun. I'm like, hey. I think of the Austin Powers scene where Dr. Evil is like hanging everyone out or like firing everyone, but then he like kind of does it backwards and then just leaves Minnie Me there. Yeah, he'd be fired by himself. Yeah.

Imagine Jeff Sessions feels like mini me a little bit. Totally. Or the kid, right? Oh, yeah. So Trump, get the same hair. Trump. But yeah, that whole thing about Trump's crazy son. Yeah, the Seth Cree.

Seth Cree. Seth Cree. So when Trump told Kristy to call Komi and say that he liked him, he did this a few other times and you'll hear it pop up and he's doing it because he doesn't want Comey to say anything bad about him, right? That's just like one and he does it with, he does it with a lot of different people too. Right. He's still a strange call to me.

Yeah. But he does it a lot. It's funny. It'll pop up again. Yeah. Yeah, but he does it a lot. It's funny. It'll pop up again. He'll be a laugh. And so anyway, previous sticks was head in the door. Trump's like, get out of here. That's when Trump asked Comey to let the Flynn thing go.

Right. And Comey wrote contemporaneous notes about this one too and told his FBI senior officials the Comey 5 about it as well. And he testified under oath that that's what happened. Comey also asked sessions. Don't ever leave me alone with Trump again. I thought that was great. Yeah, I remember that. And then next in subsection 8 on page 41, about the media questions surrounding the delay in firing Flynn that 18 days

remember we were all like, why did he wait so long? On February, this doesn't answer the question. It's a weird section. It just says on February 15th Trump told the press he thought Flynn was a good guy and the media was treating him unfairly. The next day during a press conference, he said he fired Flynn because he lied to Pence, but didn't mention that Flynn lied to him. He also said he didn't direct Flynn to talk to Kislyak, but he would have. And he reiterated he had nothing to do with Russia or WikiLeaks. And that's the end of that section.

I don't see how that section describes why it's delayed. Why it's delayed? Yeah, I can kind of figure out what happened those days. And I think basically, maybe what Mueller's saying here is in response to the media's questioning about why it took so long. This is what Trump was doing in response to those media reports, not necessarily the answer for why it took so long, just how we know why he was, or how he responded to the reports. And subsection 9 on page 42, this is a big deal.

This is about Trump asking KT McFarland to create a false record denying Trump directed Flynn to call Kissley, and the chronology of these events is important because on February 22, previous and ban in told McFararlan trump wanted her out as deputy national security advisor but that he was thinking about making her the ambassador to singapore thinking about making just a just let you know you're up for consideration to be the ambassador to singapore and this isn't in the report but i think she would have wanted that position because the ambassador of singapore was one of the four ambassadors at the Mayflower meeting, which was about the Middle East Marshall Plan, and that, you know, Bud McFarland pretty much

installed her under Flynn, and that Flynn and KT McFarland were super for the Marshall Plan. So I thought it was interesting that he offered the ambassador ship to Singapore. That makes me feel like Trump at this point knew about the Middle East Marshall Plan. Or at least remembered that the Singapore guy was there and he's so dummy doesn't know why. Yeah, or someone told him,

hey, you should recommend her, or you should put her as the ambassador to Singapore and he's like, sure, whatever. That's true, but McFarland could have told that he's out to do that. The Singapore important, or are they infested because a lot of goods go through there?

I'd have to look up why. Yeah, because I had a grand bar and why they're part of the grand bar again or why they're important to the Middle East Marshall Plan, but they were one of only four ambassadors Spain, Italy, Singapore, and somewhere else. That actually was just three, that were at that Mayflower meeting. So I know it's important to the Marshall Plan. I would have to look up why. So anyway, the very next day, the president asked Pribus to have McFarland draft an internal email that would confirm the president did not direct Flynn to call Kissley-Ock about sanctions.

Pribus said he would only direct her to do so if she were comfortable with it. So he basically asked her and McFarland said she didn't know if Trump directed Flynn to call Kissley-Ock about sanctions. And I think this is weird because if McFarland didn't know if Trump directed him to call Kissley-Ock, that makes it sound like McFarane didn't know who directed him to call kissley act but McFarlane is the one who called him and they talked about calling kissley act so unless Flynn told McFarlane he was doing less it was all Flynn's idea which is kind of the only thing that makes sense so i'm leaning toward this all being Flynn's master. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, he's a hustler. Yeah, and he's been on this since 2015, as we know, right? So that's kind of what my feeling is. Those are beans.

We don't know for sure. But what they're getting at here is that Trump didn't direct it. And but McFarland says she doesn't know if Trump directed or not, so she's not comfortable writing that email. So she declined to say yes or no. She didn't say no. She said, I'm not going to say yes or no to that request. Previous recommended she talked to attorneys in the White House Council's office, and she seemed to be uncomfortable with her request. Eisenberg advised against it, and McFarland wrote her own contemporaneous memo, because she was concerned about the president's request. First, an email would be awkward. Like, why would she send that email? Just out of the blue,

like, oh, hey, I was thinking about this today. Yeah, I just, you know, Trump didn't direct Flint. Like, it's just a weird, oh, hey, by the way. Yeah, definitely. To send if it's not in response to something, right? And so she didn't know if Trump directed Flynn to call Kissley, I can finally, she didn't want her ambassador ship to Singapore to look like it was quid pro-go-y. But we paid for it in some way.

And later that evening, Priebus stocked by our office and said, don't write the email, forget I mentioned it. What? OK. All right. Took that off the table around the same time. And probably I'm guessing Prebus went and said to Trump, like, you can't dangle an ambassador ship, ask for her to do something

that's weird. And then you can't do that. And so maybe Trump was like, all right, don't write the email and try to figure out a different way. Around the same time, Trump told Prebus to call Flynn and remind him that they really care about him. There's another one. And Previs thought Trump didn't want Flynn to say anything bad. That's what Previs, that's how Previs took it. Like he was just trying to keep Flynn. Hey, you're my guy, you're my buddy. We'll take care of you. Be nice. You know, don't say anything. And on March 31st, after finding out Flynn was going to testify in exchange for immunity, Trump tweeted, Flynn should ask for immunity in that this is a witch hunt by media and Dems of historical proportion. And in March or April, Trump asked McFarlane to send his love to Flynn and the message

to stay strong. So that just doesn't make any sense because that's contradictory against the theory that Trump didn't know about these things. And Flynn was doing things behind Trump's back that inevitably gave him a big headache. So why would he come out and support of him? And there, yeah, you think he would just be like, yeah, fuck this guy, he's been lying and made my life a pain in the ass.

But his study did the opposite. Yes. And Mueller in the analysis talks about what Trump's motivation could be for that. And it's interesting. Because there is evidence, and then there is not enough in other areas. And as we know, Mueller doesn't make any decisions

as to whether there's definitely enough evidence to charge a crime. So we're all just sort of like, oh, yeah. There's the evidence. Is it enough? Is it not? And that's, you know, we see some of those charts where they have checkmarks for

the act, the obstructive act, the nexus, and then the intent, and some of them have all three checkmarks. Some of them only have two, some of them only have one. That was gone through by you know, former federal prosecutors and experts, and so I think in this particular obstructive act, they decided that this didn't meet the intent requirements, but there was some underlying intent, just not enough to, at least in the minds of these prosecutors, get that third piece of the, you know, criminal requirements, elements you need to charge obstruction. Yeah, well, especially now that we know the threshold is literally a correspondence from Trump or something

that has like directly, you know, coordinating things and with Russians, it's like nothing's going to come about. Yeah, exactly. So after he said this, this sent the say strong, stay strong message to Flynn, we get to page 44 and this is Mueller's analysis of Trump's conduct related to the Flynn investigation. And here, like we said, is where he lays out the evidence and what evidence is relevant to the three elements of criminal obstruction of justice. For underpants A, the obstructive act that sub-subsection A,

we call underpants A, Mueller had to prove that Komi's account of Trump asking him to let the Flynn thing go was accurate. It was what he said, he said, right? Because Trump was saying he didn't do it, Komi was saying he did. And if so, if he did it, whether Trump's statements impeded the administration of justice by shutting down an inquiry that could result in a grand jury investigation or a criminal charge.

So Mueller determined that there was substantial evidence corroborating Comey's account. First, Comey wrote his memo about it. He told The Comey 5, what happened? There are recollections matched. Comey. Second, Comi testified under oath, and all of his accounts remained consistent. Third, everyone corroborated that Trump shoot everyone out of the Oval Office meeting with Comi. And that the president's decision to clear the room, signaled that Trump wanted to be alone with Comi, which is consistent with the message Comi said Trump delivered. He wouldn't have shoot everybody out of the room if he was just going to be like, I like your tie.

And then finally, Komi's behavior after the loyalty ask is consistent with having been asked to let it go. No, not the loyalty ask, to let it go, to let the Flynn investigation go. So the way Komi reacted after that happened,, Komi wouldn't have met with the FBI leadership and told them about it. He wouldn't have taken his contemporaneous notes. He wouldn't have told the FBI leadership to keep it under wraps so they wouldn't be influenced by Trump's request.

And he wouldn't have met with sessions to ask him to be left alone, to not be left alone with Trump if Trump hadn't asked him to let the flint thing go. So Mueller says here that sessions in Jody Hunt corroborated that Komi asked him not to be left alone. So that really did happen. And so all these little behaviors from Komi indicate that it wasn't just a, I like your Thai conversation. Another consideration is Trump's language

since he didn't directly ask Komi to end the Flynn investigation. But Mueller determined, and this puts this to bed forever, because we were wondering about the language, that by saying he hoped Komi could let the Flynn thing go, Mueller says the president was asking Komi to close the investigation into Flynn. Yeah. He was. Yeah.

But then don't you need something that would show that if the investigation continued it could potentially hurt him like improved that he had some sort of Protection that's like he needed some sort of protection and that's what motivated him to do that because otherwise Isn't he allowed to do that technically? Yes, but and that'll be the in the intent section. Oh, yes Wonderful because the way that they come up. It's like hey, yes. Thank you. No problem. Your questions are wonderful because the way that they come up, it's like, hey, yes, they're answered because this is when we're all reading this report because I was like, hey, what about the Google in of the Logan Act and then a paragraph later there it is. And I'm like, hey, what about this other thing? And then like right later there, it's right there. So you're, I like what you're thinking. So underpants B on page 46 is about a nexus to a proceeding.

And the second element, this is the second element of criminal obstruction of justice, to establish a nexus to a proceeding, Mueller would need to prove that Trump could reasonably foresee and actually contemplated that the investigation of Flynn was likely to lead to a grand jury investigation of prosecution, exactly what you were just asking. And Mueller says the evidence shows that he did because McGahn told Trump Flynn lied

depends and made similar statements to the FBI. So yep, there's the nexus. And then finally, on intent, and this also touches on what you were saying, Mueller says here that he examined whether Trump had a personal stake in the outcome of a Flynn investigation. And he actually used the term personal stake. So that's great. Some evidence exists showing the president some evidence exists, showing the president knew about the existence and content of Flynn's calls with Kisleyak, but the evidence is

inconclusive. McFarland did not recall telling Trump about the calls Norted Flynn or Bannon, and since Trump asked Flynn about the conversations, Mueller could not establish Trump knew about them. That sucks. Yeah, because it's just people could just lie anyway and there'd be no way to fact check them. Yeah, that's why I call it crime for you.

But he's also going by people's behaviors. And this is really kind of a cool way to look at it. As much as I hate the outcome, I hate the, like I wanted him to know. Here's, this is cool. The evidence also does not, I mean, it's not cool. It's interesting. The evidence does not establish that Flynn possessed information damaging to the president that would give Trump personal incentive to end the FBI's inquiry into the Flynn's

conduct. Whoa. I know. Right. That why Bill Clinton's scandal went further than this. It was like a more personal thing because they're claiming that there wasn't an incentive that was personal at Trump. Right. But I don't know being caught for conspiracy is pretty personal.

You would think true. But this is just one tiny aspect. Okay. That's a Flynn stuff. Yeah. And and just that Flynn possessed information damaging, the evidence doesn't show that Flynn possessed information damaging to the president. Yeah.

That could be discovered through investigations. Right. Like, what was it that Trump's like, don't talk to the, you know, because Trump was definitely don't talk to the press, don't say anything bad, we'll take care of you. But there was no evidence, not that it doesn't exist, but there was no evidence that Flynn had something on Trump or Flynn knew what Trump did, or Flynn saw so Trump do something, nothing like that.

That Mueller could find. But the evidence does establish that Trump connected Flynn to the broader FBI investigation into Russia. So basically what they're saying here is that they had a hard time proving intent on this particular obstructive act because the investigation into Flynn wouldn't necessarily harm Trump. But the broader investigation into the Russian investigation, which Flynn is connected to, could, and there is evidence that Trump connected those things. Yes, it could be, yeah. The Flynn investigation could be a breadcrumb trail to larger revelations.

Indeed. The broader FBI investigation into Russia. And this is evident because he told Chris Christie that by firing Flynn, he would stop the whole Russia thing. And Christie told him, no, it would not. So Mueller also sought evidence assessing whether Trump's direction to Comey was motivated by sympathy for Flynn. And he determined that Trump's reluctance to fire him did not stem from personal regards,

sympathy for Flynn. Like, he's a nice guy. I don't want to fire him. Rather, it came from a concern about negative press. And Prebus indicated that Trump's post-firing supportive Flynn wasn't out of love. It was to keep him from saying anything bad about Trump. Simple. Press, bad press. And the way, yeah. And the way Trump communicated the request to Comey, it was also relevant to intent. And Mueller says here at the bottom of page 47 that even though he was advised relevant to intent. And Mueller says here, at the bottom of page 47, that even though he was advised not to,

Trump cleared the room and spoke to Comey alone. And Trump later denied he cleared the room, a denial that wouldn't have been necessary if he believed his request to clear the room was a proper exercise of prosecutorial discretion. So he knew what he was about to ask was wrong. So that goes toward intent. So here's, like the evidence we were talking about before,

says we didn't have enough to prove this intent, but this does. This shows he knew what he was doing was wrong when he asked Comey to let the investigation go. So that goes towards intent. And finally, Mueller mentions Trump asking McFarlane to write the email denying Trump directed Flynn to speak with Kissley, at about sanctions. And that highlights Trump's concern about being

associated with Flynn's conduct, but the evidence did not establish Trump was trying to make McFarland lie, but it was sufficiently weird that McFarland wouldn't do it and felt the need to draft a memo about it and was concerned it would look like a quid pro quo. So there you have it. I think this is one of the incidents that maybe you would have a hard time proving intent. You definitely have nexus to a proceeding. Definitely have an obstructive act. But proving that Trump was trying to shut down

the investigation for his own personal and personal benefit, the only there is only a little bit of evidence. He does have evidence to show that he understands it's connected to the broader Russian investigation. But all these other little things, he couldn't, he didn't, Mueller didn't have enough evidence to, you know, for example, establish the Trump new, that Flynn or directed Flynn to call Kissley-Ak or that he directed, or, and that was why he directed McFarlane to lie in the email. So it's sort of up in the air, but it makes total sense to me. Yeah.

I've actually been talked into believing that Trump might not have known about the Flynn Kisley at calls. Yeah, at least this thing. And then Pence not knowing either makes a lot more sense now. I was really skeptical about that too. Yeah, we were all like, Ben, just totally in on it. Right. I mean, he might not be totally in on it, but like a little bit.

But it seems to me now, and I'm kind of with you on this, Julie said that this was Flynn's thing. Flynn was doing it. And that could have been why, and we haven't seen a lot of the unredacted parts of this report, but Judge Sullivan has and that could be why they wanted to charge Flynn

with treason. Yeah. And so maybe we need to rethink our Trump treason in this situation and it's Flynn. Flynn is the ultimate bad guy, it seems. The ringleader so far at least. And he didn't want to make the boss mad. So there is still someone above him.

Is that Putin? Or is it Trump that he was referring to in that statement? When Flynn said he didn't want to make the boss mad, so he... Oh, that was a... Yeah, I previous telling him you didn't want to make the boss mad. Oh, that was previous as well. Yeah, I thought he didn't want to make the boss mad. That was Trump. Oh, okay, got it, got it. Yeah, it makes sense. And there would be good reason for Flynn not wanting to make Trump mad,

because if he's a national security advisor, he's going to have a lot of easier time implementing his martial plan. Yeah, all 18 days of that. Right. Yeah, that's a scary mochi and a half. Oh, yeah. So that's quite a tenure in this White House. So that's it guys. That's part 12. Any final thoughts, any? Earlier we talked about the how many guns per American. I was googling it. It's every 100 Americans, there's 122 guns, so not every one person. Still scary, but not ask. Totally. Yeah, yeah. 122 for every 100.

Exactly. Yeah, that's crazy. Just thinking about how densely concentrated the guns in America have to be for that to be true and also spread out through all the rural areas as well. But, yeah, I guess densely populated in the rural areas. Yeah, yeah. Because in the city, I don't, I mean,

it's just, I guess, the friends that I have in the company that I know, but none of us have guns. I know maybe like three people in my life that have guns. Seven percent of Americans own 90% of the guns, it's like the wealth, it's like the opposite of Bernie Sanders. Top 10, one 10th, one percent. There's done any quality in this country. There is a gun gap.

I'm down, yeah. I'm down for the second amendment. If the government issues, everybody one rifle, every baby, every one of you gets one. Everybody gets one. And it's a 1973 single action. I want the musket, dibs. It's rusty, it's like something's a 1973 single action. Yeah. I want the musket, dibs.

It's rusty. It's like something from a grad set. Yeah, you're like, look, in the future, if you want to rise up against us, here's a head start. You're not really. You're not. You can get more than what? This is going to be crazy, because like the first Civil War,

they had muskets. It took a long time for them to do their thing. Yeah. Oh yeah. That problem does not exist now. I learned you can buy an AR-15 style automatic weapon at Walmart. Yeah, that is so fucked up.

Yeah, when I heard about the shootings, I was like, oh, they buy the gun there and then just start shooting, but I guess he bought it somewhere else, you know, obviously, but it was still just the thought. I was like, yeah, Walmart is one of the merchants. So if you're listening to this in the future, 2085, yeah, we're in a... Awful Matthew.

If you're stiffed the planet is still here, and Florida is still no. Basically, we've had a bunch of mass shootings, but we specifically had three, like, right in a row. And it looks like some Republicans are actually coming on board now for some common sense gun reform, but it's a big problem right now. For sure. Hopefully we'll get past it, even if the world has to kind of end first, but we should put moisture on vinyl so that we can like, you know, be like, listen to when I will wear out before the digital stuff does, I know. I know. I know.

The internet's forever. If the power grids go down, we gotta find a way to pass on the next switch. We'll make one of those Voyager golden records. Oh, golden records. Yeah, I saw an onion article that said aliens still hasn't listened to the whole record like they stick over certain sounds

like bird chirping, they skip that track. It just listened to track one over. Exactly. Yeah, just a baby crank track. That's fucking funny. I love the onion. All right, guys, thank you so much. And again, next time we'll go over Part C volume 2, section 2.

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