Jack - Mueller To Testify (feat. Harry Litman)

Episode Date: July 1, 2019

S3E26 - Joining us this week is Washington Post columnist and former US Attorney Harry Litman! We also give updates on the first Democratic Debates, Roger Stone's gag order, Muller testifying, and more! Enjoy!   

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How was your week, guys? It was great, actually. Yeah? Yeah, I mean, I try to tune out the news when I have a self-care moment. So I did a lot of that, you know. Cool. Yeah, I was enjoying the Dem debates. Yeah. Yeah, so it was a cool week in that sense.

It's nice to have something to focus on. That is not just just the shitty things that Trump is doing. Exactly. Right, like nice ideas. Yeah. In conjunction with the shitty things Trump is doing now. Yes. But we're still there in opposition to. If we're present. Yeah. It's always there hanging like low balls. Yeah. That you need a big dick toilet for. That's why he hired Matthew fucking wittaker. That's it. Yeah. I can't remember. It's potatoes. It's potatoes.

It's potatoes. He does looks like a potato. Or a thumb. Yeah. A sweaty potato thumb. He does look like a potato. Or a thumb, yeah. A sweaty potato thumb. Oh my god. How can you imagine like a Mr. Potato had put it the thumb? Oh yeah. And you just stick subpoenas into it?

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That's right! We are wrong and we're not afraid to say so. This week we've learned never to call Boston Bean Town. Uh, we'll be there in November and we'll be sure not to do that. Thank week we've learned never to call Boston Bean Town. We'll be there in November and we'll be sure not to do that. Thank you, because we were talking about San Francisco and you don't call it San Fran or Frisco. You call it the city or just San Francisco.

And then we mentioned we were coming to Bean Town and I got a bunch of emails from Bostonians going, you're not. To be fair, San Diego, we don't like it when they call it Diego. So I guess we all have those things. Or Wales, vagina. Well, that I like all have those things. Or Wales, vagina. Yeah, that's true.

That is a good bit. Bean Town is Guy Fieri's Mexican restaurant. Oh, is that why they don't want to associate with that? No, I'm just kidding. Oh, that's great. Oh, yeah. I wanted to do a Mexican Asian fusion restaurant called Senior Miyagi's, but it never went anywhere.

Yeah. But it sounds went anywhere. Yeah. But it sounds, and we actually do have a one that's opening up, or at already opened up here in San Diego, I'm really excited about. It's not called that, but I was gonna say. I'm really excited about it. I think that's a really delicious fusion to try. So anyway, November, not bean town.

We'll see you there. Last week, Julie, so you were telling us that you'd read about concentration camps in other authoritarian countries. And we got a few emails reminding us of the 1 million plus weager muslims that are being held in what China calls re-education camps in the Xinjiang province, which is part of what's referred to as the surveillance state with dozens of cameras per block. And you can check that out in the New York Times. They've reported on it pretty extensively. And that's currently you see that's happening right now.

Yeah, those are the, yeah, that's the weavers. And I know I've heard about this before. It was an omission from when we were talking about other countries and dictatorships that have concentration camps around the world. That's a big one. Oh, yeah. Another email was sent to us regarding my mention

of the authoritarian use of intermittent conditioning last week, really happy story. Letting us know it's part of what Naomi Klein calls the shock doctrine, which is a theory for explaining the way that force, stealth, and crisis are used in implementing neo-conservative economic policies like privatization, deregulation, and cuts to social services. Its most recent egregious use was after Maria Puerto Rico,

but a big part of it is exploitation of chaos post disaster. And it reminds me of our entry into a rock after 9-11. So. Yeah, I started reading that book in middle school because I tried to look smart. Middle school? Yeah, a little like reading. Disaster capitalism, yes.

Romana and Bezos is super fudge. It's a little school, yeah. It's a little like reading. Oh, disaster capitalism. Yes, it's a remote and business. It's super fudge. And are you there? God, it's me, Margaret. And the shock doctrine. Yeah, no, I can't tell you. It was a young Jordan. Jordan, do it.

Yeah, Jordan summer reading. It was a big shiny silver book, too. And I just like brandished it like a weapon of brains. And then I never read it because I'm a fucking douchebag. Are you the real life Daria? Or is it who's that? Oh, she's a cartoon character, correct? Yeah, I'm a fucking douchebag. Are you the real life Daria or is it who's that? Oh, she's a cartoon character, correct? Yeah, I'm telling you.

Oh, I dig it. Oh, the one with the glasses. She's kind of like the girl from Parks and Rec, you know, that becomes Johnny Karate's wife. Yeah. April Ryan or something. Totally, yeah. No, I know.

She's like a grungy looking kind of person. April Ryan, what's her name? I get those vibes. Yeah. From Jordan. What's her name? I get those vibes? Yeah from Jordan The vibes I think to have a thanks. Who would you say is like similar to you? Who do you who's your human? I always thought you sounded like rep botler that comedian. She's awesome. Did you ever watch that? I did yes Yeah, see what I'm gonna. Yeah, I was told by a listener that I sound like I'm the queen from the Emperor's new groove. Oh my god. Yeah, exactly. I do love that movie. Paul's a live-up. Yeah, wrong live-up. I like Cronk. Okay, Aubrey Plaza is the actress and it's April Ludgate. Yes, it is the character. So, yes. No, I think Self-Hadred

aside, that book was very compelling because it was like around her King Katrina and This must have been my freshman year in high school then, but it just yeah, it was like more so I'm just a slow reader and I read like two pages a day, but anyway, it was what I read of it was good. It was very Yeah, she I mean it was like easy enough to understand for high school Or but it's it's crazy a lot of bit of his like charter schools that pop up for example, after her kinkatrina. Oh yeah. Like in Louisiana. How they privatize education,

and they come in and they just start all these systems, basically, that just are entirely, privately funded more or less, not entirely. And I think I was kind of going for the shock doctrine idea, although instead of taking advantage of people, being discombobulated after a disaster, I think what I was trying to get at also, in addition to that, is Trump intermittently

threatening things and pulling them back so that eventually nobody believes what he says. Like, I remember somebody saying when the tanker was attacked in the street of hormones and Trump was like, or a ran-tack this tanker, attacked this tanker, nobody believed him. And what if it were true? Like, it's that kind of danger.

But then he will try stuff and then not do stuff and then pull it back at the last minute and keep everybody super anxious and then use that kind of fear to manipulate everybody into feeling extra good when he doesn't bomb a country. Yeah, almost like Stockholm syndrome. Yeah, and he creates, let's like use the hurricane

metaphor, he sort of creates the hurricane. And then we once this water settle that he chooses when they settle, he comes in, tries to provide these services. Yeah, that seemed like it's a thank you, Donald Trump. Yeah, yeah. The hurricane disguises FEMA. Well, it's an island surrounded by water, very big water. Oh my gosh. Very blue, wet water. Yeah, that guy. He said that. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah.

I'm paraphrasing, but not really Puerto Rico. Yeah. Why he couldn't reach them. Oh, good. I mean, not good, but I thought you were talking about Louisiana, and I was like, okay, that. Oh no. So, we didn't do that.

But he might. Who knows? Give me a chance. Ask him about Katrina, he could. This big water island. He's Hannah Allen. He might think we mean Catalina instead of Katrina, let who knows, because I mean, he was asked this week what he thinks of Western governments,

Western liberalism or Western style government. And he started complaining about LA and San Francisco. Yeah, he literally thinks it means Western US. Like the color swirls. He didn't realize we were talking about like Western Europe and Western democracy. And then when he was asked about busing, he was like, well, you know, I know him much about it,

but how else are kids gonna get to school? Like he didn't even realize that they could know the context of busing. Just thought we were talking about people are against putting kids on buses to go to school or stuff. And like, can you imagine like thinking, like not just going, why are people against buses, you know,

and finding out? That's racist and mis. Yeah, or whatever, just maybe he's like, what's wrong with buses? People get on buses. That's it. I know it's a park, he's like, what's wrong with buses? He's so above buses.

He just, he, maybe it's true. Maybe people are against busing. I don't know. Yeah. Well, you think about the amount of things he must hear on a daily basis, though, which he has no idea what they mean. So this is just what he does. But he does hear something.

It just rifts. Yeah. And he's the president, so people are going to him daily, probably like by the minute for answers. And he's constantly giving the God I don't know if they do that anymore. Thank God. They're like, just don't even bring it up to just don't steal the papers away. It just drives, don't you?

Yeah, I guess that is what it is now, right? Yeah, it's been that way, I think, for a while. Which is, you know, I'm thankful that people are keeping important things away from the president. But for example, that we are trying to cyber invade Russia's electricity grid, but they're like, we just don't tell them just that. Yeah, because he won't read the news. He won't even know that we're talking better right now, you know, he won't. And of course, he would go and tattle to Putin.

Yeah. On his own intelligence community for doing that. But for that to be a relief, it just shows where we are once again. That's the shock doctrine shit right there. This week I used the term modus operandi as a singular, and that would be modus operandi, so you know, because I said Trump's modus operandi, was this one thing, which is the shock doctrine

or the intermittent conditioning. Yeah, very nerdy correction, I like that. Yeah, I keep getting my latin' wrong, and I'm a little ashamed, but it has been 30 years. Yeah, that's fair. And I only took it because it was at the boy school. Well, hopefully when you run for president, people are sitting there trying to speak Latin. Oh my goodness.

Somebody at the debate. Yeah, watch it technically. I can see that. Somebody at the debate just bust out and Latin or Sanskrit. Yeah, yeah. Check me out. I'm going to reach out to those Latin voters. Right, maybe.

Yeah, I was going to say Trump and Mexican. The people are like. Right, maybe. Yeah, I was going to say Trump and Mexican. The people. Yeah. Yeah, that's it. They try so hard. They learn a whole language. I thought the Latin's would listen to the wrong Latin. The Latin next, the most ex Latin.

You know, like old times. Okay. A patron also wanted to remind us regarding our discussion of the Oregon State legislature being threatened by militias, militia groups, that it was those same guys, the Ammon Bundy guys that hold up at the Wildlife Refugee and Trump pardoned those guys. And someone just wanted to point out that connection. They're also called the three percentors. And the reason they're called the Thoreanu was three something, but the reason they're called the three percentors

Let's see here is because it's Only three percent of colonists fought in the American Revolution. Right. So they're calling themselves the three percent of You know Americans who will step up to the job and do it. Oh, who will win the revolution? For sure. Yeah. Yeah, I guess so Okay Yeah, and Trump pardon those guys. So wonderful. Yeah, I guess so. Okay. Yeah, and Trump pardon those guys. So wonderful. Yeah, go figure. Marsha P. Johnson was the trans woman of color that has said to have thrown the first

brick at Stonewall. That's right. Yeah. And because we were trying to remember who it was or how it started. Exactly. You know, P.O.C. Yeah, trans person. I just didn't know exactly, but yeah, Marsha P. Johnson, that's right.

And someone suggested we, you know, if we ever have any stories that come up in our feed and we accidentally report them as being now, but they were from two years ago, like the Marco Rubio story that we did the other day. Like, can you believe you just said that? It was two years ago actually, so that's actually a correction. But they say we should call those refried beans.

Yeah, great idea. And so here's my thought for a segment in the Daily Beans, our new news show. I'm thinking we'll do something called re-fried beans, where we check up on stories that are old and then never got to follow up. And you know, it's just- Yeah, like where are they now segment to a degree? Right, kind of, because that happens a lot in the news. We talk about stuff.

We try to keep circling back to things and we'll remind you of the fact that we spoke about them before in case you're new to the show and didn't hear us talk about them. But there's a lot of new stories that just pop up and then disappear. So I thought it would be a really cool segment to kind of dig up those old stories. Find out if we were right, wrong, how it went down, if it's still open and ongoing or if it's a closed thing. We'll call it refried beans. I like that idea.

I like that idea. Also, we're very split on whether the beans are in a reference to coffee or actual beans. You'll never know. She is holding a coffee mug, but it could be full of refried beans. She could just drink beans. I eat refried beans out of coffee mugs.

So, you know, and we actually have Mullershy wrote coffee mugs at MullershyRod.com. They're super awesome. Check those out and the, let's see, next www.muller She wrote.com. They're super awesome. Check those out. And the, let's see, next correction. That's all we have. Oh, cool. Those are good.

Great corrections, guys. Really, mostly additions and emissions except from a crap Latin. Yeah, and suggestions. I like this, though. It's a good segment for that. It is. And so thank you for these corrections.

If you have one, please go to www.muller She wrote.com. Click contact, select Correct corrections, and send away. We'll get it right eventually. That's our slogan. Yes. We'll get it right eventually. Fox News should say that if you want to be honest, right? Or actually, no.

We'll never get it right. We'll never get it right. Fair and stupid. There you go. All right, guys, we have a lot of news to get to a lot. So let's jump in with just the facts. All right, guys, we have a lot of news to get to a lot. So let's jump in with just the facts. All right, guys, we open this week with an update on the scandalous Dunkin' Hunter. Republican Representative in Congress who reminds me of Councilman Bill Dexhart in Parks

and Recreation. I have served for almost two decades for the city of Pony, and I have no intentions of giving up on this great city because it didn't give up on me. Even when I was using its funds to procure the sex of a lifetime. Court filings reveal this week that in addition to the 60 counts of

fraud and campaign finance charges against him and his wife Margaret. Duncan Hunter was spending said campaign funds on at least five different side pieces. Most of them lobbyists, which makes me wonder if Duncan Hunter thinks that being in bed with lobbyists means he literally has to be in bed with lobbyists. The filing alleges he used campaign funds to pay for trips, dinners, and drinks with women he slept

with, such as a ski trip to Lake Tahoe, Uber rides, two and from women's homes, and beer and nachos at concerts. Not good in nice life. Oh yeah. Meanwhile, Hunter's wife, Megan, who he publicly blamed for all this through under the bus. Not the busing. Right, Trump's like, was the problem with buses.

Yeah, what do you mean? Through under the bus. I like buses. That's how you get to school. So Megan has withdrawn her not guilty plea and has agreed to cooperate fully with prosecutors. And it appears She shared text messages between the two of them in which they discussed using campaign funds on personal shit

With the prosecution and we all know a Mark Campanajara is running against Duncan Hunter in California's 50th district right next door to us in Elcahone So please please donate to his campaign Hunter's trial is set to begin in September. He will lose puts and beans on it. Nice. I just moved from Elkahome basically. Good. Good job. Yeah. I didn't know. I had no idea he was my person that whole time. Yeah. I felt weird vibes out there. It's probably what it is. It probably was. He felt like a gross crimey vibe. Yeah. Sticky in the air. It's what it is. Elkahome means the coffin. Yeah. Yeah. Literally the box, but it's supposed to... It feels like a hot box, yeah.

Supposed to mean the coffin, in reference to... So if you see the signs that say, El Cajun, that's what El Cajun is. Welcome to our state. Also, Michael Flynn was back in court this week with his brand new crack pot washed up Tommy Laren and sat about it lawyer Sidney Powell. If you'll recall, she's the Foxpundit who created creeps on a mission.com. And that's all about the corrupty hoaxie witch hunter Robert Mueller. She publicly called for Trump to pardon Flynn.

And when he hired her, we all thought for sure he was going to withdraw his guilty plea, right? He was going to bust his plea agreement and plead not guilty. But in a hearing this week, that did not happen. Instead, Powell and Flynn confirmed that he would be testifying in the upcoming trial of Flynn's lobbying partner, Bijan Kean, but Sidney Powell asked for 90 days to read into Flynn's case. Judge Sullivan, who at one time asked Mueller's team if they'd consider charging Flynn with treason and encouraged him to continue cooperating if he were to expect no jail time as Mueller recommended,

didn't grant 90 days. Sullivan did not give her 90 days. Gave her 60 instead. With the express confirmation that Flynn would be continuing to assist in the BGNK on trial. But Powell made an odd request to the court. She asked for a security clearance for her review of Flynn's case. But the prosecution, Brandon Van Grack, in this case, who was a member of Mueller's team and now heads up the new Pharah Enforcement Unit at the Department of Justice, he told the judge that nothing they've provided requires a security clearance. And it's still unclear why she requested one, unless she's looking to get her hands on what we consider potential thysa warrants covering those conversations between kiss, leach and

flin and potential additional conversations that haven't even been publicly reported. If you remember last month, Sullivan ordered the release of those transcripts along with the release of those transcripts, along with the release of the voicemail from Dowd to Flynn's lawyer, where he dangled a pardon and threatened him, witness tampering. But after prosecutors in the Department of Justice objected to releasing those transcripts, he conceded. Sullivan conceded. And the government still has not publicly acknowledged those conversations even exist.

In fact, in one of Flynn's pleading documents or sentencing memos, I can't remember. Flynn told Mueller's team, you probably have them all on, you probably have all the recordings of these calls anyhow, but the government redacted that statement. So weird. When asked why she needed the clearance, when there were no classified documents supplied by the prosecution, Powell said, that's with regards to what they produced. There is other information. Some experts opine.

She's looking for information to secure a pardon from Trump. She's looking for dirt. She's looking for, you know, whatever. To lead his charge, yeah. And typically defense lawyers need a government agency to sponsor them to get a clearance. And then the FBI conducts the background check. Sullivan told Powell in the case that a classified security officer would assist her in her request. And I can't wait for her background check

information to be foiled by journalists or leaked to the public. We should get another update at the end of August. That's the 60 days. And Keon's trial begins mid-July. Keon, if you remember, asked for a delay until fall because of his daughter's wedding and instead the judge moved it up. Before the wedding. I thought that was crafty. This week Axios somehow got a hold of vetting dossiers for potential Trump administration jobs from the Trump transition team. So before Christopher Steele, the term dossier referred to a packet of information on a person that could be used for any number of purposes. In the hotel industry, we used to have like every company that would book a block of rooms and have an event had a dossier

with all their pertinent information. In the movies, a hitman would receive a dossier on the mark they were going after. So here we have a bunch of packets on individuals that were being considered for positions in the White House, and these are pretty hilarious. For example, one of the concerns for General Petraeus as defense secretary or national security advisor is that he opposes torture. That was a bad thing for the Trump administration. Yeah, I guess so. They're like, this guy's great.

I mean, he cheats on his wife. He leaks secrets to the journalists, but he opposes torture. Nope. Deal breaker for the White House. Yeah. Yeah. And then Nazi Fox, Laura Ingram, who was being considered for press secretary, that's Smokey Eyes job right now. She's leaving today, by the way. Yeah, she's having a good party.

With her, with her chins held high, as many people on Twitter have said. I'm not, that's not my chinch. Just passing along the word. I'm just passing along the word. Retweets are not endorsements, because I have to go. Retweets are not, rep. Retweets are not pods. Yeah, because I myself have some chin issues.

Oh God, me too. That's just a, this is literally simply just smokey eye-shaming. Anyway, she had said people should wear diapers instead of sharing bathrooms with transgender people. Oh my God. So it's nice to know the administration thought that was a bad statement at least. Yeah, sure, yeah, but just hearing it. And voter fraud, Führer Chris Kobach, who was being considered for Department of Homeland

Security Secretary, showed one of his vulnerabilities was white supremacy. Okay, like when you're like weaknesses in an interview, you know, skills, hobbies. Yeah, that'd be a great answer to a job interview. Yeah, person. Yeah, where yeah already see your strengths and weaknesses yeah no I'm really a worker but I am a white supremacist yeah you know the biggest strength five-year ethnic cleansing plan you know headlocks and yeah and that he has ties to white supremacy groups so that was one of the issues they were worried about when they wanted to vet him. Sonny Perdue, who was being considered

for the Agriculture Secretary, owned Houston fertilizer and grain, which had received hefty contracts from the Department of Agriculture. And then they vetted this guy, Puzzder for Labor Secretary. Puzzder, not Puzzder, Puzzder. It's like a mis-food, miff-sood situation.

And he was up for Labor Secretary, but somehow they missed his domestic violence problem oops And you know recently we learned about Shanahan who was the acting sec deaf secretary defense who was also embroiled in domestic violence Violence issues because his wife was arrested for punching him in the face And his son was in trouble for beating his mom with a baseball bat Wow, you know, I'm starting to think it's not just about Trump feeling comfortable around other criminals I think he just wants people that are equally vulnerable.

Right? Black, maleable. It's kind of their whole jam. He's in there in it. Yeah. I'm surprised he's vetting documents to have a section on black male bullshit. Right.

Uh, in fact, well, that might just be what those entire documents were. But yeah, we're assuming the white supremacy thing was negative. I think it does say that it's negative, but it very well could be a positive on some sort of like black market document, like a wink, wink and a nod. Like, here's just everything you need to know.

Yeah. Right. And for Laura Ingram too, I was taking this. I bet the reason they flagged her for that wasn't because the anti transgender comment wasn't because, you know, this is bad to be transphobic. It was probably because they knew they were going gonna roll back transgender rights and that coming from a press secretary. If we're gonna, we're gonna fuck the transgender people over. We can't have somebody who's open to anti transgender. Yeah, either that or they didn't want to offend babies who wear diapers. Yeah, right. Probably that because they don't seem to give a fuck about being obvious. They do that all the time now.

So yeah, that's a good point. That's a good point. Yeah, yeah. Who knows? Who knows? But it's interesting to know that about that. She said that. I didn't know. She ever said that.

So that was a news to me. She had a great track record. Remember that whole thing on Twitter with her doing the Highl Hitler series? That was great. Every time a left leaning news organization does a story on her, they use that photo. Yeah.

We dress. Highl Hitler. Good. use that photo. Blue dress, highlight look. Oh, there you go, you did that to yourself. Her runnethans painting will be that. That's her. Yeah, that's her employee of the month photo. Definitely. I bet they do that in the White House, because they serve fast food,

so they must have an employee of the month, right? Oh, yeah. So this week, I just saw someone with duct tape over their mouth and like a scared look at their eyes. Yeah, yeah. Mm. Raw story, guys. Raw story I love.

God bless you. What? God bless you. I know you said that. But Raw story ran a headline this week saying, bar, bill bar kills seven Mueller investigations 10 days after he released his report. And no. I cover that with former US Attorney Harry Litman

in the interview a bit later. So stick around for that. You're going to want to hear that in case we're wondering what that headline means. We break it all down for you. So you definitely want to stick around for that. And a federal judge ruled this week that one of the emoluments lawsuits against Trump will be allowed to move forward. This is a case filed by 213 congressional Democrats. Judge Emmett Sullivan, that's Flynn's judge, denied emotion for the Department of justice for an appeals court to review his previous rulings that the lawsuit can advance

trump argues that members of congress do not have the power to sue the president uh... and that the case must be dismissed and they claim that if the appeals court agreed with their bullshit definition of the emoluments clause the complaint could be significantly narrowed well-solving wrote that trump failed to meet his burden of establishing that an immediate appeal from the order may materially advance the ultimate termination of the litigation.

In other words, Trump's bullshit definition of the emoluments clause won't stand up in court. That's basically what he's saying. Nice. Well, it won't face appeal very well. Yeah, right. Well, this lawsuit was first filed in 2017 2017 alleging Trump was in violation of the Constitution by continuing to profit from foreign businesses while being president.

Department of Justice actually argued that Trump needs to be receiving profits directly from foreign governments in explicit exchange for policy in order to violate the emoluments clause. That's actually the criminal definition of conspiracy. Everyone with a brain knows that emoluments has a much broader definition and doesn't require an explicit squid pro-crow, which is what we call squid pro-crow. The emolume, I can't believe I just said that correctly. Yeah, I always imagine it's like when you're trading a squid for a crow. It's like in my head, squid pro-crow?

It's like a barter situation. You just say, yeah. You can't even get the other. I got a squid, you got a crow. You got the squid? Yeah, I got a squid. Open's up a trench coat, shows him the other. I got a squid, you got a crow. You got the squid? Yeah, I got squid. Open's up a trench coat, shows him the crow. Toss it over.

That would be a very strange trade. It would, yeah, but who knows? You don't know what you need to meet yet. You throw it in the bottom of a parking garage. I just have it trading places in my head. You got the crop report. I need this crow. I got to get more squids.

Yeah, man. I could get more squids in high demand. What is the common denominator for squids and crows? I don't know. But Trump sure does. So anyway, guys, the Amoluments Clause requires congressional approval of any gifts the president gets from foreign governments. So Trump's argument that Congress has no power is the most moronic argument I've ever heard because the Constitution says it's congressional, it's the congressional approval that is required to get around the emoluments closer to be in compliance with it.

Sullivan also ordered an abbreviated schedule for filings meaning shut up and that he could be prepared to rule in about six months, which puts a smack dab in the middle of election season, so he puts some beans on it. And the Austrian Supreme Court has determined that Ukraine oligarch Dimitri Fertash, who is linked to Paul Manafort, can be extradited to Chicago on bribery charges. Earlier, I think on June 21st, the Fertashers lawyers put in for a motion to dismiss. It was denied.

The country's Justice Minister, a minister, Austria's Justice Minister will make the final decision. Not only is this important to Ukraine, which has struggled to hold corrupt and wealthy individuals accountable, but this could lead to questioning from our FBI that could shed light on the funneling of Russian mob money into real estate, including Trump real estate. And he could, Fertosh, could provide new revelations on Manafort. Leaked cables from 2010 show Fertosh is associated with Mogolayevich, and he was partners with Lyavochkin, and that's the guy who paid Sam Patton $50,000 for a ticket to the Trump inaugural,

and was one of the people who received polling data from Manafort. Yeah, that's juicy. Little connections. That's why you listen to Muller She wrote for all these little dots. Sam Patton, as we know, was charged and pled guilty, pleaded guilty, sorry, to funneling money to the Trump inaugural.

Lanny Davis, which is Cohen's lawyer, is representing Fertash. Not Larry Davis, although that'd be a great person in a playboy. Larry Davis and now. Larry Davis, there you go. Buh-, banana, banana, banana. Be with me. Then he's like in court. Like, my balls are showing or whatever the fuck happens

in that show. I don't know. Everything goes wrong. Yeah. Can go wrong. There's a very few wallocross, really. It's Larry Day. That's great.

Presenting her toche. Corp Yuri, Mollumans. Yeah. Curb your bribery. There we go. It's like asking him to scoot over at the bench. Just like, can you just scoot over? Yeah, I see a good, really nice. Curb your emoluments. Curb your bribery. There we go. It's like asking him to scoot over at the bench. Can you just, can you just, just do it?

Yeah, I'm just gonna be really nice. I don't understand. Why don't you do it right here? Just a little bit. Just go over there. Just plead guilty. Just say it. That's great.

Oh, we gotta do an episode. Anyway, yeah. Lanny Davis is representing Fartash. He had to register under Fera to be able to do so. Okay, and we've talked about this for a long time that Fertosh and Mogulavitch are tied together and that's how Lanny Davis is tied to Mogulavitch and they're all just so mobbed up. And speaking of Manifact, by the way, he was a reign this week in New York in the state court and he pleaded not guilty to 16 counts of state mortgage fraud, tax fraud and conspiracy.

His lawyers planned defense has to do with New York's double jeopardy protections, but I don't think those apply and I'm going to talk to Harry Littman about that later in the interview as well as how he possibly got a pass on having to stay at Rikers during his trial. His next hearing is scheduled for October 9th, so we'll keep you posted and check out the interview in a little bit. Okay, so this week, amid reports of the horrific conditions at the border in concentration camps, the acting head of US Customs and Border Protection, John Sanders resigned his post, effective July 5th, pretty much immediately. And Trump has tapped Mark Morgan,

a former Obama official and proponent of the wall to head the agency. Mark Morgan is the current acting head of ICE. They're all acting, by the way. Acting, Acting. He is the guy known for saying on Fox News that he could look into the eyes of a migrant child and tell their future MS-13 gang members. Yeah, racist. Yeah. At least a little bit. And that's the guy who will oversee the detention of thousands of migrant children who are being held into plurable conditions for extended periods of time. And Nancy Pelosi lost control of her caucus as the House was unable to add protections

for these children in their border aid bill. And they passed the Senate's version instead. Centrist House Democrats were not willing to cut ice funding by 8 million in exchange for soap, food, beds, and restrictions on how long children can be held under what conditions. They wanted to cap it at 90 days, but Flores, the law says 72 hours is the max.

So 90 days they weren't even cool with the Republicans. So this is a loss for Democrats. And the situation at the border worsens, and now Trump is pivoting, saying this untenable situation is what he meant by there being a crisis at the border. And Blame's Democrats for not closing a silent law loophole instead of his own department of justices self-proclaimed, you know, deterrent, zero tolerance policy on family separation. So everybody, please head to lightsforliberty.org to attend or host an event July 12th for a nationwide rally and vigil to close the camps and reunite the families and release the kids.

Absolutely. And I just wanted to add that if Trump and his brain thinks that the crisis is the caravan, because maybe that's what he's probably thinking in terms of like this being a problem. It's the root of the caravan is what's happening in all those countries and I feel like he refuses to address that. He totally does. He's actually stripped funding for the triangle, Southern Trials. So that's a big problem and it's the root cause and it's only going to get worse. We got some huge, huge, molar news this week.

I'm going to cover that in hot notes. And this week the NRA terminated production of NRA TV, boo, I'm so sad. And it has split with its advertising firm, Akraman McQueen, which employed Dana Loesch and operated the NRA's live broadcast. She was a host on one of the stupid shows. The NRA's CEO Wayne Lopp here said in a statement, many members expressed concern about the messaging on NRA TV becoming too far removed from our core mission. This comes as the New York AG has investigated

and issued subpoenas into NRA's tax exempt status and reports of questionable payments by the NRA, which is chartered in New York State. That's where the NRA is, like, that's its roots. Yeah. Weird. They're headquarters. Yeah, interesting. And we know that all of our North Stepdown is president from the NRA is, that's its roots. Yeah. Weird. They're headquarters. Yeah.

Interesting. And we know that all of her north step down as president from the NRA to form a committee to examine Lopier's financial mismanagement, which has left the NRA $10 million in the red. Yeah. We will happily continue to follow the death of the NRA as it happens. Oh, yes. We'll be celebrating the whole time.

And Kellyanne Conway, Anne Colter's Dorian Gray. She cannot seem to not violate the Hatch Act and was subpoenaed this week by the House Oversight Committee after she failed to appear at a hearing to answer questions about her crime. The White House blocked her from appearing so the Oversight panel voted to authorize Cummings to issue the subpoena.

This was all in response to the official special counsel, the Office of Special Counsel, which is not Mueller, it's its own thing, run by a Trump appointee. They issued a report citing Conway for multiple violations of the Hatch Act, which prohibits executive branch employees from participating in political speech while performing their official duties. Colonel, who leads the office of special counsel, and like I said, was appointed by Trump, described Conway as a repeat offender of the Hatch Act and recommended that Trump fire her.

The Hatch Act has no punishment other than removal, and so there's no mechanism for punishment. And that decision is up to the boss. So I'm not sure where they're going with this. They can't enforce it. But you know, Trump continues to say he won't fire Conway. So. Right. Just one more thing to add to the pile.

I was worth it. I just let her go and testify and then have them find that she definitely was violating the hatch act and then he just throws it in their face. That nothing's going to happen. I feel like it would be more fun for him that way. If you let it get close. The only thing I could think of is it might be an abuse of power that you could add to an article of impeachment. Like, you know, throw, just keep adding that, make the articles of impeachment be like

800 of them. Yeah. And their lies are the instructions of justice if I had to guess right? Like just when they lie about the molar reporting. Yeah or at least maybe telling her not to go speak to Congress that could be obstruction. For sure I would think so. Yeah but I don't know what justice they're obstructing when it's his decision as to whether or not they fire her. She's not justice though that's the problem. Yeah but he's in charge of whether or not she gets removed. Yeah they can under them there. And the hat-check is one of those things that's not like a criminal, that's the problem. Yeah, but he's in charge of whether or not she gets removed. Yeah, they can under a mayor. And the hat check is one of those things that's not like a criminal crime that's prosecutable by jail time or anything.

Right, it's a law, but the only recourse is removal. And that is up to the boss. So, a man. Yeah, that's cool. The Supreme Court this weekend, it downed two major decisions. The first one blocking the citizenship question from being added to the 2020 census, which was designed by the Grand Wizard of Jerry Mandarin, Thomas Huffeller, or to Huffeller. Huffeller? Huffeller. Huffeller. To help Republicans draw lines around Latinx voters to purposefully disenfranchise them. He said that with his mouth,

or with his pen. Yeah, yeah. But we weren't more than two minutes into celebrating this decision when Kavanaugh blew it all up by voting to remove the federal courts from stopping Jerry Mandring when states draw their districts. And this is a huge decision with massive ramifications and it's a giant loss for Democrats in states such as North Carolina where the lines are drawn in such a way that even though 50% of voters voted Democrat and 50% voted Republican, the Democrats got three seats and the Republicans got 10. Right's crazy. And this is happening in Wisconsin is like this to this is happening

in states all over that are run by Republicans. And then is there anything we can do to reverse that? Maybe adding other Supreme Court justices? Because I've heard they've done that before, right? Apparently they've added Supreme Court just. Yeah, we have to win the presidency first. Yeah. Okay. Cool. But there is a way. It's not fucked forever, probably. It's fucked for 2020. Okay, wait, no, I think it happens after 2020. Well, then? It goes into effect after 2020. I think that's why Maddo was saying everybody run now.

Yeah. Everybody get as many Democrats to win in the blue wave in 2020 as you can so that you can, because the way to stop it is to get Democrats at least to have one of the three branches of state government so that they can prevent those lines from being drawn. Very nice. That I think is the way to stop it is to get Democrats at least to have one of the three branches of state government so that they can prevent those lines from being drawn. Very nice. That, I think, is the way, or in Peach Kavanaugh, or, yes, add three Supreme Court justices

to the thing, but it would have to come back up again. And once a Supreme Court decision has been handed down, it's hard to go against it unless it's Roe v Wade and your Kavanaugh. I think it's vitally important here to point out that Justice Kennedy had indicated he would probably vote against Jerrymandering before his odd and abrupt retirement. Kavanaugh who replaced him and clerked for him voted the other way this week, and we would be stupid not to investigate the retirement of Kedity, especially since his son worked for Deutsche Bank when it lent Trump over a billion dollars when no American bank would.

And don't forget that Trump is desperately trying to block anyone from seeing his Deutsche Bank finances. In fact, he prioritized the appointment of his personal tax consultant as the IRS General Council over the confirmation of Bill Barr, indicating he's more worried about us learning what's in his taxes and in his Deutsche Bank records than he is about learning what was in the Mueller report, us learning what was in the Mueller report. And during the entire Kavanaugh confirmation, I kept asking, what, you remember, I was like, why doesn't it just pull him in the face of this sexual assault allegation, just pull him

and he's unhinged, his unhinged performance is terrible. You could pick one of the ladies off of the Federalist list. But he didn't, kept him there, fought for him, and had McGann hold his hand through the whole thing. And the Kavanaugh's debts and mortgages were mysteriously paid off. And how can we forget that video of Justice Kennedy and Trump, where Trump says something to Kennedy, Kennedy stops, whips his head around, and reprimands Trump, shaking his finger at him, and then Trump waves him off. Yeah, he stopped dead in his tracks. That was weird. Yeah, and he just walks away.

Yeah. You want my super space means? Oh, yeah. Leonard Leo, he's the head of the Federalist Society, worked with McConnell, who blocked Merrick Garland, and he worked with McGann, who personally was responsible for ushering in Kavanaugh's nomination. They all worked together to ensure Kennedy's retirement by offering his Deutsche Bank son some clemency, or all to allow Jerry

Mandarin into overturn Roe v Wade. And I bet that video in that video of Trump in Kennedy. I bet Trump said to Kennedy, I'll get your son off the hook, which prompted Ken and me to turn around and say, don't fucking say that in public. Don't ever say those words out loud. Wow. Uh, like lip reading like those YouTube videos. I didn't even lip read. I'm just guessing. But I was like one of those boyfriends that like touches you a too much in public

and it's like dude, get your hand off my ass, man. Yeah, yeah. And then Cohen probably later. Thank you. And then Cohen probably paid off Kavanaugh's debts for him for having to go through the whole rape allegation hearing. Someone needs to investigate this,

quid pro-crow, and plum the debt. So the corruption of Kavanaugh's appointment to scot us because I think that there's something to this. I don't think that this is crazy to tinfoil space beans. This is weird. Weird. It's really, it's just weird. Yeah, talk about refried beans. Definitely have to be readjusted. We'll refried those. This week, Stone's lawyers filed an 11-page response to judge Judge Jackson's order to explain how he didn't violate his gag order. It's

hilarious and Jordan has that for us in hot notes. It's really entertaining. And Trump is overseas at the G20 summit. He's already stepped in at twice with Putin. First, when they were both complaining about the fake news in their countries, and Trump told Putin to just get rid of them regarding the journalists. And this was on the anniversary of the shooting at the Capitol Gazette. And as Trump refuses to comply, also with the Magnitsky Act rules, it requires him to

respond to the murder of Washington Post journalist Jamal Kashoggi. Then, when a reporter asked Trump if he'd asked Russia to stop meddling in our elections, Trump smiled, turned to Putin, laughed, and said, stop meddling in our elections, and then turned back to the reporter. This all comes down to what Jimmy Carter said this week in Leesburg, Virginia. He said, quote, there's no doubt that the Russians did interfere in our election.

And I think the interference, although not yet quantified, I think it fully investigated, which show Trump actually did not win the election in 2016. He lost the election, and he was put in office because of Russian interference on his behalf. When asked if Carter believed that Trump is an illegitimate president, he sat there for a minute and then said, based on what I just said, which I can't retract, and then everyone laughed.

There is no doubt. The Russians tried to help elect Trump and Trump is extremely sensitive on the legitimacy of his election, and that makes him compromised and unable to protect our democracy from future attacks. And milkshake Matt Gaetz is now under investigation by the Health Health Ethics Committee for a attempt he probably didn't even know it existed. The Health Ethics Committee for attempting to intimidate Michael Cohen ahead of his congressional testimony earlier this year, Gaetz had declined the committee's request to appear before them in May and they had told Gaetz that they wouldn't be able to resolve the ethics complaint against him without his testimony.

Per the committee rules, if Gates did not appear by June 24th, they would be required to open an investigative subcommittee to review the allegations. Gates said Friday, if members in Congress want to spend their time psychoanalyzing my tweets, it's certainly their prerogative. I won't be joining them in that endeavor. The tweet that caused all this and also forced the Florida Bar Association to investigate him, read, quote, hey Michael Cohen, 212, do your wife and father-in-law know about your girlfriends.

Maybe tonight would be a good time for that chat. I wonder if she'll remain faithful when you're in prison. She's about to learn a lot. And the real threat here, I think, is mentioning Cohen's father-in-law, who's a mobbed-up primer himself, right? When accused of witness tampering, Gates defended his tweet saying, quote, we're witness testing, not witness tampering. What the hell? It's like alternative facts or something. And we? Yeah, who is this? You get a mouse in your pocket? Are you talking about we? You and Trump?

Mm-hmm. Oh, someone may be in French. Is that medium-salt? We, you and Trump? Mm-hmm. Oh, someone maybe in French. Is that medium-salt? We, yeah. I don't know where that came from. What does we mean again? Yeah, we. It's like, I think it means yes. Oh, in French?

Yeah, okay, yeah. Definitely. Yeah, I think it means us. There. But Gates later apologized and deleted the tweet, saying it wasn't intended as a threat. We at Muller She wrote, wish the worst of luck, two Matt Gates in his endeavor. Definitely.

Officially. Also, Thursday, prior to the debate, Don Trump Jr. retweeted a racist tweet about Kamala Harris, questioning her nationality, effectively re-enlisting a new form of birth arisen. He quickly deleted the tweet, and Jolisea has more about that along with some debate coverage in the hot-ups. And a last minute bit of justice. The neo-Nazi who mo-down 36 people and killing Heather Hire at the Unite the right rally in Charlotte, Svill nearly two years ago was sentenced to life in prison today for 20 sorry yesterday for 29 federal hate crimes, I believe.

Wow. I'm not gonna say his name because fuck him. And I hope he rots there. I just have one piece of advice for him when you're in prison, walk in the yard, and you can't decide if you want to hang out on the courts or by the weights. Just remember, there's good people on both sides. I just wanted to get that out there. Guys, we'll be right back with Hot Notes.

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and look for July 22nd. Continue to join us Sunday nights for Mola She wrote, and Thursday nights for our page by page special coverage of the Muller Report. You'll be glad you did. Alright, welcome back. Hot notes. Alright guys, welcome to Hot Notes. Today Jordan has some information on Roger Stone. It's really hilarious. But first, Chalisa, Berthorism anew, and some Dem debate highlights. What do you have for us? Oh yeah, so today we learned from the New York Times that Berthorism is back.

It all started when Don Trump Jr. retweeted a post-fossil claiming that a Kamala Harris is not black enough to discuss the struggle of African Americans. And the tweet from some right-wing troll— But Trump Jr. is definitely black enough to decide who's black enough. I guess so. I guess that's the takeaway. Yeah. Retreats an endorsement.

Good for you. The tweet was from some right-wing troll, and quote was, Kamala Harris is implying she is descended from African black slaves. She's not. She comes from Jamaican slave owners. That's fine. She's not an American black period. And that was just one of them.

I saw some others where it seemed like it was opposed to one. What? I know. Also what? But there were some that were claiming it was from other black people. I'm sorry I'm only going to vote for African black slave descendants not Jamaican black slave defendants. Yeah they're also saying I'm only going to vote it sounds more like they only want to vote for indigenous black people. Yeah very true. Not an American black. Yeah I'm so confused. Yeah there's like 18 things in there.

I just don't even understand. For sure. We could talk grammatical issues this week all day. The main point is that Truminger tweeted this out to his millions of followers with the caption, wow, is this true? And then yes, he did delete the message claiming that it had all been a simple misunderstanding. Oh, really? First of all, birtherism is not a simple misunderstanding.

It's almost like wishful thinking for races, right? I feel like they just want to believe that this person wasn't born here. Or it's just a campaign to stop black people from mobilizing, try to get us to split each other up. And then I feel like this is the same thing that happened to Obama, right? Exactly the same thing. And it didn't work then. So it's not going to work now. Yeah. And also, the only difference is where Obama was born, not where his ancestors were born. Yeah, yeah. And the good news about all this is,

Harris' campaign already raised $2 million, just 24 hours after the debate. So this must be what really has. It's from the Jamaicans. Yeah, yeah, the Jamaicans all donated whatever their money or currency is. I'm assuming this is what House Republicans shook, right? And for those that don't know,

Kamala is a biracial daughter of a Jamaican father and Indian mother, but she is absolutely an American citizen. Apparently, she's faced questions about her race all throughout her career as a prosecutor and senator, and in one interview, she referred to herself simply as an American. She said, quote, I am who I am. I'm good with it. You might need to figure it out, but I'm fine with it. And furthermore, on Thursday, Kamala said, quote, growing up, my sister and I had to deal with the neighbor whose parents told her she couldn't play with us because we're black.

So she does also identify as black, and she directly called out Biden's previous position on segregation as hurtful, and she confronted him for once opposing black students to schools to better integrate them. She said, quote, there was a little girl in California who was part of the second class to integrate her public schools and she was bus to school every day and that little girl was me. And then she dropped the mic and locked off stage, kidding of course. But she did crush the debate. And just to give you guys a recap on the rest of the candidates who didn't really get as much of a, I guess, takeaway as Kamala Warren did dominate the first night, like Hermione from Harry Potter. She had a progressive plan and answer for everything.

Some people were tweeting that calling it Granger Danger. Come on, it's not dangerous unless you're Trump. Yeah, it is cute. I guess dangerous if you raise your hand too fast and hit someone. There you go, yes, yes, that makes sense. And all the candidates from that night

explain how they would take on Turtle Dick Mitch. And they also agreed that climate change in China are the biggest threats to America right now. Unfortunately, the mics messed up halfway through the first debate. So I guess Democrats can't take either. And of course, Trump tweeted that the debate was, quote, boring. The second night had a ton of Spanish. Cory Booker seemed upset that Baal beat him to the punch.

Castro focused on decriminalizing illegal immigrants. Booker preached about how thoughts and prayers are not enough to solve gun violence. Mayor Pete called out fake religious people and Bernie was Bernie. He was. Yeah. Hey, everyone. Listen, he was he was so Bernie. He's the true to himself and you gotta love that. He can't ever not be him. Exactly, he's consistent. I wonder if, do you think they gave them a heads up that they were gonna ask questions in Spanish? I don't think, oh, they did ask questions in Spanish. Some of them, yeah, they did. I think only to the Spanish speakers. Oh, okay.

But do you think they gave them a heads up even? Possibly. Yeah, that's interesting. Because that's obviously rhetorical, right? Aside like 100% rhetorical. Yeah, I can also see they can as just deciding on their own to address the, you know, Spanish people or a Latin.

Yeah, yeah. 100%. But yeah, it would make sense to also be given the heads up about that kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, because it would throw you off in the debates and switch languages. Right. Or like, if you're, if you're Castro or something, right? And then I think, because I think he was one of the people that the moderators asked a question in Spanish.

Yeah. And then, so if like, Castro didn't know't know he's gonna be fine because he actually speaks good Spanish, but then other people that might not speak as good as Spanish feel pressure to step out to the plate. I wonder if that was the situation or if they were aware like hey, just so you know, there's going to be some Spanish going on tonight. If it knows behind the scenes debate. Gossip.

Yeah, I'm very interested. It's so interesting. And it's really cool. Aside from it's like sort. And it's really cool. Aside from it's like sort of a crazy nature at times, I think it was like, it's a very good sign that that is something that they're trying to integrate, definitely, and show, you know, an understanding of. I appreciate that.

Yeah, you know, I was like, I don't speak Spanish, but I think it's really cool if they are. Concur, and I think Inzi was even like, yeah, Trump's trying to send migrants to sanctuary cities and thinking that we'll be upset, but we're really glad because diversity is our strength. Absolutely. Yeah. And then Mary Ann, I just mentioned her because I did leave out some other candidates that were you.

Mary Ann, I'm sorry. Oh, Mary Ann. Forgetable. Swahwell was me. I love her. She's so, she's so, somebody actually sent me a question. They said, pick a man and a woman from the current Democratic days. Yeah. Candidates for president. You have to have a

threesome with one man and one woman. And that's who you want to be president and vice president. And I'm like, nope, not even close because for the threesome, I would pick Bato and Marianne. Oh, because Bato is tall and yeah, and hot. And Mary Andrew seems very soothing. Yeah, yeah, he wouldn't want to fuck me. And she would bring candles and yeah and hot and Mary-Anne just seems very soothing. Yeah, yeah He wouldn't want to fuck me and she would bring candles and incense and stuff and I'm into that. Yeah Yeah, so that but I would not want either Yeah, I'm gonna be right there

Probably also would fuck me, but yeah, this is a cool game. Yeah It's it's like a fuck Mary kill but for sure I don't want to do like that Bernie's like everybody's good needing Oh, yeah, Bernie's organizing what's me. Don't worry what's me, you're not free so. It's because I'm socialist. Oh man, I do have a party. I wanna take everyone's orgasms and give them to everybody else. Yeah. Marianne apparently there's Republicans that are rallying

to donate their cause. Yeah, to keep her on the stage. To keep her on the stage. I don't think she's that crazy. I think she's a cool person. Like she's like a really cool like, I don't know, human. Yeah, yeah. The social media backlash certainly has been- It's a cool person. Like she's like a really cool, like, I don't know, human. Yeah, yeah. The social media backlash certainly has been indicative of people

thinking she's crazy maybe. Right, well as a president, I gotta say, she does sound crazy in that capacity, but as a friend, I would love to hang out with her. Dude, yeah, totally awesome. And I appreciate, actually I think she married Liz Taylor to somebody and with Michael Jackson being there. She's been around a while. Yeah, she's very interesting. And I want to say, okay, I said Swalwell was boring earlier. I will stand by that as, you know, as he was like, sure, I guess you see what I'm saying.

But he talked about gun control a lot, which I thought was really important. But my problem is that he focused on it so much that I couldn't see past that one issue. It's like they all talked about gun control, but he seemed to almost only talk about it, and then he took a dig at bite in the age, and I was like, that's kind of sassy. You see that? It was everything, he was like,

past the torch, I'm younger, and that's why I'm better. And it was like, okay, we get it. Right, that was more important. I do understand, even Buttigieg, who is kind of running on this new generational thing, it's like just let your age speak for itself For sure let your generation speak for itself and let your ideals speak for itself You don't have to keep coming in and reminding everyone that you're young. Yeah, I do think both of the debates really stuck

It to the GOP though because it was not entirely fixated or even really remotely fixated on Trump Russia Which is something that I think everyone was expecting Democrats to really, really, really campaign on and take this, you know, next election as a referendum. They didn't mention Mueller at all, really, right? Did anyone mention Mueller? I can't recall. So a couple people, at least mentioned Russia as a geopolitical threat. Sure. And I mean, not even half, like maybe two, three, two or three. Yeah. I know De Blasio De Blasio was what I call him. He was very like, Russia because they interferedio De Blasio was what I call him. He was very like, Russia because they interfered

on our democracy. That was first night. Second night I think two people mentioned, maybe three people mentioned Russia. Yeah, but just not to the extent that, but actually, what's going to be, the moderators specifically asked about how they would deal

with China. Yeah, and I mean, I get that it's an issue with trade and tariffs and currency manipulation, but are we just afraid to ask about Mueller? Because we're afraid that it's an issue with trade and tariffs and currency manipulation, but are we just afraid to ask about Mueller because we're afraid that that's an identity politic and that the other side is going to be like, look, Mueller, Mueller, Mueller. Yeah, yeah. I think they, sorry, I was just going to say, I guess China is a big threat, but you're saying the more like, like right in front of our face threat is Russia, right? Because it kind of like owns us, right? At least Putin's just trying to represent it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not people, but it's not the economy. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think that it was intentional. The benefit of having these debates facilitated by, you know, media organizations that are generally more sympathetic to our liberal, brethren and sister-lin. I don't know where we'll make that. Y'all. Yeah. That's what I've been saying, y'all. Yeah.

They get to like, yeah, rhetorically shape the debate a little bit, at least as far as the questions go. And so the fact that they didn't ask many questions that were directly related to what is still an incredibly pressing part of our political landscape, I think was very intentional. Right. They're letting that speak for itself, right? You gotta keep them separated. Yeah.

Oh, definitely hate that song. Um, and that, you know, and that's why we have the daily beans coming up and Moller She wrote separate because again, I, and I agree with this. I think if the, if the election focus is too much on Mueller, it's going to be, you know, I think they want to separate just because they're like, which hunt, which hunt, which at Trump did a very good job at his, uh, disinfermatsuya campaign and his reflexive control campaign to hurt the language of collusion and conspiracy and smaller and, you know, hoax. For sure.

He did a very good job with that marketing. It really sunk in to his base, to his followers. So it makes sense. I did. I love the debates. I thought they were great. Yeah, I'm ready for more of them. Yes.

And we do have more coming up the end of July. I'm excited. Same. Oh, and I found out it's not double. They did already double the amount of donations that you needed for the first debates, and they're keeping it same for the second debate. Yeah, and Sunday is the cutoff, right? Tomorrow, when the episode comes,

actually it's today, actually. I think so. I'm not sure. I don't, I don't, I, That's what I read. I saw a calendar with a thing highlighted on it and it seemed like in the Sunday area. Yeah, I do believe it is today that we are publishing this

on Sunday. But my brain thinks in pictures, so for sure. Yeah, anyway, like when I think of the end of the week, I think it's all the way over on the right. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and the beginning of the month is top left. Yeah, just always is. Oh, definitely.

Yeah, yeah, but if you want to donate to a candidate, I think you should do it ASAP because you're in my cutoff tonight. Yeah, you definitely need to. And I have given to a few. I have my top picks. I think that Kamala and Warren and Buttigieg and Booker, and that order.

There was one other. Oh, Bernie. Oh no, it's just the five that are gonna make it. It's a Castro. Oh, okay, they did not your picks. These are mine. Okay, I was gonna say that's a great order. Yeah, I agree with that totally. I said Castro was your fifth. Yeah. Okay, they did not. Your picks. These are mine. Okay, I was going to say that's a great order. Yeah, I agree with that totally. I said Castro, what's your fifth? Yeah.

Okay, above Bernie. That's the thing, man. Bernie's got all the right issues, but for some reason, he just doesn't have to swag anymore. I think the whole purpose of Bernie's existence on this planet was to push the Democratic Party to the left so that we are having the correct discussions that we need to be having on the debate stage right now, he gets full credit for that. Totally. It's an amazing feat that he did it. And I love him for doing it. But I really think, you know, if Elizabeth Warren has the same exact policies and she's got more detailed plans to get there, why would you not vote for Warren?

Yeah. Totally. Yeah. I've already pledged my vote to whoever women of color are backing in the primary and I'm going to vote for whoever wins the fucking primary and whatever Democrat wins. So but I do love to talk about this and I do love to see, but I do think that those are going to be our top six. We're sure.

And I think the black community, like maybe there are some people who do think that Connoll put away too many people in jail and I feel like that's her only or her biggest obstacle there, but I think she would be the best candidate to rally. But I think Jordan had a the best candidate to rally. But I think Jordan had a really good point yesterday during the daily beans, which is she came into a corrupt system to try to fix it. It was shit when she got here.

The system has always been corrupted with just systematic racism and social injustice and just such wrong concepts and things and nobody cams and police brutality and unfair applications of laws. laws and she came in like I'm gonna try to fix this and she just got beat up trying to do it Because you can't just come in and make it all better. No, you have to work with in it Which is yeah, it's like being a police officer And she wanted to make those changes Biden did have a good singer that was his one singer when he said I was a public defender Not a prosecutor. Yeah, but that's his only one because she

You know, I was black and she's a really I think just not being black makes you a good black person But like clearly she is great with the issue of racial politics and he is slipping so he is slipping Yeah, but they were still and again all one hundred million times better than Trump and for sure I will vote for whoever I would do no matter even if it's Marianne I will vote for her I swear to God. I will if she gets it. Yeah, she won't, but she won't. I mean, let's not come and put all of his support behind her. Oh, no.

Unless that's Russia's pick, but I'm pretty sure that's Tulsi. I think that, yeah, there's no Jill Stein, sorry. No, no, you're right, though. Also Tulsi, yeah, she's straight up. I'm worried she's gonna run green or run independent. Try to split it. Try to get those votes. to get those all you need is Apparently is the steel 80,000 votes. I guess so and then demand to recount make a bunch of money and ghost

Yeah, they're gonna try every angle. I bet yes, and they're very good at that And no one apparently feels like they need to call the FBI so we should call them. Yeah. All right. Hey, do you guys remember? Oh, you know what before I get into what I'm going to say, Jordan, I really need to hear. Because it's your turn now. Well, yes. That's how things go. Thank you. I was about to just take off with my own.

I feel you ready to go. I'll make it quick. I'll make it quick. I'll make it quick. But you guys, these documents are seriously almost some of my favorite documents. The ice cube ones were pretty great. And then those, what were they called Concord Managements Lawyers, Court filings with the Itaudai Taapuri Tat and Focked.

Good references, yeah. Yeah, trolling in court. Those were pretty great too, but these are pretty awesome. Yeah, so Roger Stone is this week. On Thursday, Roger Stone's attorneys responded to prosecutors' accusations that their client, Mr. Stone, had violated his gag order again. They wrote, they wrote, in 11 page long reply, you can see it very easily on the internet. He says, I have no gag reflex. I mean, what? That's hilarious.

Yeah. And basically, their main argument in defense of him was that Stone was clearly within his First Amendment rights when he posted on social media complaining about the unfairness of the press coverage surrounding his case, basically. That was essentially their main argument. So I'm going to give you some direct quotes here because they are golden. First, their more, you know, I guess, legitimate sounding argument was that the posts that are being looked at are not statements nor do they pose a danger to the fair trial concern, which was and is the constitutional

raison d'etre of the order? – It was on the trough. – Yeah, it's on French. – That's what French say. – Yeah, it's on French. – Okay, you actually say it French though. I haven't been sure you're sending them to Douchbag. I know.

Try to pronounce things like, I know, let's just look it up. Actually, that's a good sentence, the correction now. – It's probably like, raison d'etre or something. I know, I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. Let's just look it up. Actually, that's a good sentence, the correction now. It's probably like, raise on debt or something. I don't know if I can. Either way, whatever. Their point is that they're saying it's not a big deal, essentially.

They also said that the fact that the government's focusing on these posts exhibits a willful blindness to the tens of thousands of hostile to stone articles. Oh, so everyone is so hostile to stone articles. Hostile? Everyone is so hostile to me. Yes. Hostile to Stone articles, which have been authored by others about the investigation and stone's case.

There's articles, animated cartoons, comments, editorials, television and radio programs, panels, celebrity dark comedy readings of the special council report, and even a comedic portrayal of Roger Stone by Steve Martin, which was genius. Oh, I'm so happy to live. Which satirically portrayed Stone as a caricature of himself. They complain about that. They're talking about how it's so inconsequential stones, presents on social media as it exists currently whenever he posts things that are bashing the media

mainly Washington Post and the New York Times and how they're covering all of his things. But not only are they complaining, is he complaining about these news organizations? He's there's claims that are being made and filings that are actually being made by his attorneys that are trying to argue that the government didn't actually independently verify that Russian operatives hacked the DNC in 2016 and then Stone posted some things that were sort of related to the key tweets. Funny, no at New York Times or at Washington Post coverage of this development of the development being their claim that the DNC committee hack, it was never corroborated that Russian operatives actually did it, but it was. Right. So that winds up getting prosecutors then filed a separate document that refeed stones,

claims confirming that it was in fact independently corroborated. And then this is essentially, he's basically saying, they say that he's the most minor of participants in all of this. And because of that, he should be able to say whatever the hell he wants, essentially. Oh yeah, a little minor character in all this. Roger fucking stone.

Yeah, and it's a really big departure from the last time that he was accused of doing some bullshit on social media when he posted that picture of Amy Broom and Jackson with some crosshairs hanging out by her head. Yeah, no bigs. Their reaction then was much more apologetic and it was across like they were praying like she was holy. Sure.

You know when people do things like post pictures like fake guns to Trump's head or like with a Kathy Griffin with the thing with the head. Granted much more gruesome than crosshairs It's still the same message. I think or at least if they're gonna claim that what she did was so crazy It's like at least acknowledge how what was Stone is doing is a threat. Yeah, what about that double standard? Yeah, talk about how Kathy Griffin's whole life got taken away from her She's back pretty good though. Oh hell yeah her hard core fans. Please be on the show. Yeah Come say hi pretty good though. Oh, hell yeah. Her hardcore fan. Please be on the show. Yeah, it's true.

Come say hi. We love you. Yeah, we could talk about that in particular. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, pretty much there's, you know, Amy Berman Jackson's reaction is yet to be determined. We'll see what she says. Like I said, they had until Thursday to give their explanation as to why on earth, she should interpret these actions as anything other than an egregious violation of his gag order once again. She was already so exasperated with him like a month ago. For sure. She's just gotta be like, all right, bring it asshole. We gotta say this time.

And I mean, I think she's just gonna put him in jail. I think she's gonna... She'll have every reason too. Yeah. If she didn't before because she was worried and was worried. We thought she would before. Yeah, yeah, shit. Good enough reason then too. But now she has, there's no more no excuse to feel bad about it. Do that shit. Yeah, she didn't before because she was worried because we thought she would before. Yeah, yeah, shit, good enough reason then too.

But now she has, there's no more no excuse to feel bad about it. Do that shit. Yeah, do it. Yeah. Back you, Josh Jackson, if you're nasty. Yeah, and to try to make the argument, his counsel's trying to make the argument

that the American public is getting enough images of anti-stone essentially that, you know, whatever he's doing should just sort of fly under the radar. That's basically the under a gag order. Yes. Steve Martin doesn't have a gag order. Exactly.

You do. Exactly. It says, you can't talk about the case. You talked about the case and then said, I wasn't. I was just making retortal questions. Yeah. I can't even imagine that kind of provisional. I'm criticizing the media.

Yeah. Being under a gag order, but you're still too privileged to realize that that makes you, like, you, I don't understand it. Too privileged to realize and just can't shut up. Yeah. You just can't shut up. Especially when one of the things that the entire American public has as an indictment against you is your tendency to attempt to disseminate information that is damaging to current

processes of justice. Yeah. What are you going to court for? Think about it. Exactly. He's one of those guys that has the right to remain silent but not the ability. Yeah, just like Trump, yeah. Totally, totally.

Yeah. All right, well thank you guys. Thank you very much. And man, those debates were good, but that Roger Stone filing made me laugh. Go check it out if you get a chance. We'll send it out in the newsletter too for patrons this week.

All right, do you guys remember a long time ago? Well, I was like a couple weeks ago, when Jerry Nadler from the House Judiciary subpoenaed Bill Barr and the Justice Department for the full unredicted Mueller report and their underlying stuff. Yeah. And then the DOJ said, nah. So Nadler voted in the committee, his Judiciary Committee to hold Barr and contempt. And then he was about to go to the full house, not the show, but the representative,

to vote to hold them in contempt. Because that's the contempt process. Do it in committee, you win, you take it to the house, vote the full house. He has since passed a bill saying they don't have to do the full house vote, they can go straight to court, they haven't used that yet. That's been a couple weeks. Maybe they're waiting till after the summer break. Yeah, for a fuller house. Yeah, for a fuller house. The new re-release. Bob Sagitt is busy. Oh, there you go. I think it's what the problem is and he needs to be there for the vote. Yes. So anyway, he was going to go to the full house for the vote of contempt and then Bar was like, no, no, hang on, we can chat, just chill out, no one need to hold me in contempt. And then they started these negotiations to see

if they would what they could get, right? And Nadler held the contempt vote in a Bayon's for you know for the time being. So all that we will they finally reached a deal this week and it sucks. Basically the Department of Justice is going to allow three people. They're all House representatives Democrat Demings Democrat Swalwell and Republican Ratcliffe to see all the information. Those three. And the reason it's just those three is because they're the only three that sit on both the House Judiciary and House Intelligence committees.

But there are, of course, strings attached. The rules are so strict, in fact, according to Politico, Demings told Politico that members of the Intel Committee are prohibited from discussing what they see with members of the Judiciary Committee on vice versa. There are no further details about it, like we don't know if they can take notes or leave with copies. I doubt it, but we'll see. Keep in mind, Trump's lawyers have seen it all, and they were allowed to take notes and

discuss it before we even saw the report. Totally. So that happened Monday. And then Tuesday, we heard whispers that the House judiciary and the Intel committees were gonna they were like prepping for subpoenas for Robert Mueller and while we were in studio recording our daily update for patrons it was announced that Mueller has agreed to testify in public to both the House and Intel committees and behind closed doors with staffers from each of those committees all on July 17th and even though Mueller

has said he's reluctant to testify, and even though these were not friendly subpoenas, this is a really huge deal. We know, yes, that Mueller has said he will not go outside of the four corners of the report and that his report is his testimony. That's it. End of story. But we also know that less than 3% of Americans have read it. And there are many who only get their news from Fox and Bill Barr

Like remember that lady at the Justin Amash Raleigh was like I didn't even have any idea There was anything bad about Trump in the Mueller report. I watched Fox News and she seemed like a reasonable button person It's a good point. She wasn't a dick, you know, she wasn't like no She literally had no idea You know she wasn't like no, it's not home. She's like I literally had no idea. Yeah, that's all you get Yeah, and you know she listened to what Bill Bartholder and who as we know mischaracterized the findings of the report so badly that Mueller didn't only go to paper Writing letters of his disapproval multiple letters. We've only seen one But he spoke publicly about it for nine minutes on the matter

And that's the most he's spoken ever in his entire life, including all of his past lifetimes, according to Mary Ann Williamsson. No, I don't know. But to most, that seems like no big deal. But to Mueller, that's a really big deal. Exactly. And I think the rest of the world will eventually catch up to this potentially after the hearings.

They'll realize how big of a deal this is. But yeah, we've known Mueller, she wrote listeners, have known, this is crazy, this is huge. Yeah, so we might find the testimony a little boring and a little disappointing But remember just try to take it in as somebody who's never heard any of this before Exactly. Try to take it in like that lady from the Amash rally And Trump, of course, could not keep his mouth shut after the news came out that Mueller would be testifying publicly

And he decided it'd be a good idea to accuse Mueller of a crime without any evidence So during a press conference on his way to the G20, I think, you know, he doesn't have press conferences. You just yells at reporters outside of our co-opters. Oh, what? I hate you. Okay, bye. Trump accused Mueller of deleting texts between struck and paid. Yeah, terminating. Terminating. Terminate. He aborted them. He legal now. He was aborted them. It was Missouri big mistakes. As we all know, it was the FBI that wiped the phones after they left after struck and Page left the FBI and that is routine. I have left many multiple posts in the federal government. And once you leave, you hand your phone in, they wipe it clean. And we also before you leave, they do it before you leave because you got to get your fingerprint on there. Yeah. And then we also know that the inspector general, Horowitz, was able to recover all those and and the Trump's Department of Justice released them to the public. But he's trying to just spin the narrative so

that the average Joe will think that Mueller's shit. That's all it's about. He's like he's said Obama wire tapped him but nothing came of that. Totally. We'll just think probably that Obama wire tapped him to this day. The FISA got a pen register on Carter page after he left the campaign. That's probably what he means by Obama wire tapped him., I see. How do you know my secrets? Yeah. How do you know I fucking cheated? Well, so the Inspector General, this is Trump's Inspector General, found that struck and page did not violate any records preservation policies with the FBI when they handed their phones over. They didn't delete anything, destroy any evidence or whatever. And he also found out that none of their work product was impacted by any kind of bias.

So, Mueller removed Struck from his team once the text came to light to avoid any appearance of conflict, even the slightest appearance. Though he didn't have to do that, but he did, because he wants everything to be clean and smooth sailing. And now Trump is directly accusing Mueller of deleting the text messages. And then Jay Sekulo, Trump's attorney,

made a statement this week saying, no, you know, we're not going to do anything to block Mueller's testimony. You're welcome. Oh, yeah, thank you. Yeah, and I'm pretty sure he couldn't, if he wanted to. And I ask Harry Lippman about that later in the interview. It's really funny. Perfect.

Stick around for that. And it is not known if Swalwell Demings and Ratcliffe will get access to the full tranche of Mueller materials before Mueller testifies, though I'm sure they will, which could explain why it's scheduled for weeks from now. So to give that gives them time to read in on everything and discuss it within their respective committees, but not with each other. And you have to remember, no pictures, no notes. People are setting up watch parties for July 17th, where Mueller is expected to testify

to one committee for about two hours And then the other committee for about two hours back to back and they're both open Both public televised Wow, it's gonna be across every channel all channels Yeah, and and this is important because the only competing voice to Trump is gonna be Mueller No one else has that level of an important of a voice as as Trump. And all we've heard from him and his attorney general are no collusion, no obstruction. I'm exonerated.

It's a witch hunt. No do overs. This will be so powerful even if people don't realize it in real time because Trump talks all the time and says nothing and Mueller just says one or two things and everything. So imagine when he talks for two to four hours. Yeah, he's like the woody on cheers, right?

Doesn't have a lot of lines, but they're always really funny. Yes. I also think that Trump sort of did Mueller and people like us a favor by coming out with some of those tweets saying, thank you, Mueller, great guy, fully exonerated. And so his base has seen snapshots now

of Trump having faith in Mueller. His report is the Bible. Yes, even though he obviously backtracks on that. Yes. Totally. But hopefully there's going to be some people that are actually his supporters, Trump supporters that will watch this with some level of trust going into it. Yeah.

I'm bad. Had he not said those things. Yeah. And he's also a more hero. Yeah. A lot of them won't watch it. Right. But if 10 watches, 10 more than we had.

Or just the independence that are on the fence and think that liberals are being too crazy right now. Yes. No, we're not. I mean, sometimes, but not right now. We're being gasslet for sure. So he's going to do two hours and two hours back to back. And then the private staff hearings will take place

before the first public testimony. And after the second in their respective committees. So we'll have that non-stop block of four or five hours of pure, unadulterated, Mueller testimony. I'm so excited. We're watching it at UPIN. I don't know yet.

Okay. But we will be in Philly that day preparing for our show that night at the Philly Pod Fest at the World Life Cafe. And since the announcements, tickets have been flying out the door for that. It's like blowing my mind. So this happened to us when the Mueller report dropped, we had a show at Largo in Los Angeles. We had sold half

the tickets and that day we sold the other half. So I swear we're not coordinating. So calm down Jim Jordan. We're not in Kahoot's with special counsel on these drops. But I'm hoping Mueller is willing to answer some questions outside the confines of his report. But again, I'm not expecting much and I'll expect to answer nothing about ongoing cases or report. But again, I'm not expecting much, and I'll expect to answer nothing about ongoing cases or counterintelligence matters. I'm also interested to see how he handles Matt Gaetz, Louis Gomer, and Jim Jordan,

possibly the three stupidest Congressmen ever to darken the doorway of Capitol Hill. And I do think that this could be the straw that tips us into a majority of support for opening at least an impeachment inquiry, though probably not until after the summer congressional break, but we'll see. So I want you to watch closely

what questions Swalwell Demings, Swalwell and Demings ask Mueller. And watch Ratcliffe too, because normally Republicans are like, you cheated, when did you cheat? Did you cheat? Ratcliffe might have seen that full, will have seen that full Mueller report

by then and might be like, I have no questions. That would be interesting. Maybe he's causing sick, you know, you know, no. Keep an eye on those three and see how they, they, what they have to say, how that plays out. And pay close attention to democratic response as it relates to impeachment, particularly on the issue

of obstruction of justice. The public, I think we're at 48% now, are for impeachment for the Americans, for Americans. That could go up. And then also, I think we're at 48% now, are for impeachment for the Americans, for Americans. That could go up. And then also I think we're somewhere between 80 and 90 Democrats in the house, are for impeachment. That will probably go up too.

And you can put some beans on that. All right guys, are you ready for sabotage? Yes. Yes. All right guys one of Mueller's top prosecutors Andrew Weissman has scored a book deal. Yeah. And it's one of Trump's lawyers friends named DeGeneva who hits the first to comment on it. Remember this guy DeGeneva he offered to represent the New York Field Office FBI agents and he was part of that whole leaky shit.

I remember they wanted to leak the agent. He's got like a wife DeGeneva who they're both lawyers. And they wanted to leak those HRC emails on the Weiner laptop. That's the guy. There you go. Yeah. He says that Weissman's testimony will be 10 times more dangerous for Trump than Mullers. And it's unclear what will be uncovered in this book.

Though if Andy McCabe's the threat is any indicator, he might not, he will not be talking about any opening on going investigations. And I'm sure the FBI will need to vet the book prior to it's being published. These books are going to be like, I've had a signed and college courses some day. I hope so. These are so important. I hope so. No word on when it comes out, but Peter Struck is also working on a book.

So we keep our eyes out for that. It's all a text message. It's just a picture book. Yeah, a picture book. So when we keep our eyes out for that, it's all text messages. Just a picture book. Everybody sucks fucking everyone fuck everyone. I want Weissman to testify publicly to Congress. That's who I want to testify. Love Mueller. You know, I named a podcast after him, but I really want Weissman. Yeah. Weissman, he has less of those like restrictions as a person, I guess, right? He feels more compelled maybe to be a little more. He doesn't have any more or less restrictions,

but he has not come out and said, I'm not going to talk about anything that's not in the report. He might answer questions like, if Trump were a civilian, would he be a crime? A crime or? Yes, he would be indicted if he were a civilian. He might be willing to answer those questions where I don't think I would open for.

That's what I'm hoping for. Yeah. Yeah, I'd love to see him testify. Were you gonna say that? Yeah, when they're on their press tour, maybe they can come on our show then. Because they'll build, I imagine like, McCabe went on coal-bearing stuff, so. Yeah. And come on our show. And go on our show. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I'm going to actually reach out to a few people and see if I can't get struck. And um, um, um, um, um, we're going to do a few people and see if I can't get struck and um um um um um Weisman, weisman, to come on our show definitely

Definitely Come out their book that would be really great Yeah, let me ask you All right you guys ready for the fantasy indictment leak? Oh yes I'm gonna be a indictment No wait it's gonna be okay I'm gonna be a indictment I'm gonna be a indictment

And indictment I'm gonna be a indictment Oh that they can't it's gonna be okay Just calm down I can't calm down I'm gonna be a indictment All right cool Jalise, you get to go first this time then Jordan and then me so who you pick in this week? I'm gonna go with Brody. Alright. I'm going um Oh goddamn Tom Berrick nice. I'm going Trump inaugural along those lines. Nice. I will do Eric Prince.

Oh, good. I'm doing a soryano again. Soryano. Oh yeah, soryano. I'm going to do super seeding stone. Oh, that's good. I will do Trump org. I'm going to do Kushner.

Kush, good one. I'm going to go Kevin Downing. I'm concerned about that guy. Yeah, you know, there's too much concern for him as well. Yeah, concerned about his impact on the world. I will go with Sherry Dylan. Nice. I'm going to do Rando. I'm going to do Rando.

Mm-hmm. Okay. I'm going to do Superseating Manifort. Nice. I will also do a Rando. Okay. And I will do Corsi Pleadiel. Ah, that was my next one.

Do you, one more do we have? You do. Yes, yes, you do. That's it though. Okay, I'm going to go with Westling. That's the other one of Manafort's lawyers. Okay. It could be implicated in this Westling. Perfect. That key could be implicated in this whole Kevin Downing, you know, UUP text messages in the middle of the night, sort of gag order retroactive violations. Very nice.

Cool. That is how we play the fantasy indictment league guys. It is now time for the interview. You guys, this is really a really such a great interview. I love when Harry Littman comes on. So take a listen. Joining us today for the interview in studio is former US Attorney. He's a law professor at UCSD and UCLA, Washington Post columnist and host of the outstanding Talking Feds podcast. Please welcome Harry Littman, professor Littman.

Thank you for coming on Mollershy Road again Thank you very much for having me and please call me Harry. We are fellow Sandie Agons Sandie go on. How do you say it? Sandie go in? Sandie Agons. Yeah, I know it's a joke from Anchorman Okay, all right. Sandie go on Yeah, a winds I think Yeah, so I have a lot that I want to ask you because you are my legal angel here. Because as we all know, I am not a lawyer by any means,

or any stretch of the imagination, but I talk a lot about legal things and I just want to make sure I have everything straight in my head before I form my opinions. I think that's good for everyone to do. And you're you're counting on me for, right? Yes, yes, no pressure. The law is that which is possibly asserted and boldly maintained. So I'll lie. I like that, who said that? I don't know. I didn't make it up, but by-

Possibly asserted boldly maintained. Boldly maintained, so I'll- I'm into it. Yeah, ask me anything. I will. All right, so this week, Paul Manafort, as we know, pleaded not guilty to 16 counts of mortgage fraud, tax fraud and conspiracy in New York State. And as lawyers say that they're going to argue their case based on New York's strict double jeopardy

laws, which don't, to me, seem to apply in this case at all as these are state crimes specifically. I don't think Vance, the Manhattan District Attorney, would have even brought these charges if they violated the double jeopardy law. Can you explain to us why they're going with this defense? Is it maybe it's all they have? Will it work? Yeah, so look, I mean, I think you are half-right in terms of it's not applying, but only half-right and will it work probably not, but here's the deal. The normal federal constitutional guarantee says you can't be tried twice for the same crime. And what that means, there's a kind of arcane test that has to do with are all the elements the same.

Now, as you probably know, like the Supreme Court has ruled and just reaffirmed recently that when a state tries a same defendant for the same violation on the heels of a federal crime, no double jeopardy problem on the, you know, basically fiction and not very realistic fiction either, that it's just different sovereigns. It's like the feds and Peru. And that's USV gamble.

That gamble has just reaffirmed that idea, except the separate sovereign doctrine. So the federal constitution has nothing to say about it. But New York state law does. New York reacting to this separate sovereign idea has a law. And the law says essentially, if it's what would be double jeopardy, other

than the sovereign problem, it will be barred here. So under New York law, if it were the same case, that would mean they couldn't bring it even though the Constitution would permit them. So what's the same case mean? It basically means all the elements are the same. So here, the mortgage fraud that New York has charged does involve some of the same loans that Manafort got tagged for on the federal side. But on the federal side, it was for bank fraud and other things. Here it's for mortgage fraud and implicates the kind of mortgage interests and integrity of New York state. So it's probably a loser because the New York court would probably find that there is

a separate element so it's not the same crime even under New York law. Right. It wasn't necessarily about lying about your financials to get a mortgage fraudulently, which is a federal crime. This was more about saying that your apartment was a residence for a, you were a family member and then renting it out on Airbnb. Your apartment down on Howard Street right next to where I used to live in New York and it's now super hip and I'm sure very expensive.

Do we own that now? Do we own it? No, we don't. We don't own it. Or, yeah, we're not neighbors with Paul Manafort. But Jasper Johns lived down the block at the time. I think it's gotten a little more gentrified as we fit Paul Manafort owning it. Now you know there's also this wrinkle. i don't know if you want to discuss about

the possible change to new york law well that's what i was going to ask you is because i know the new york state legislature passed uh... this law that is going to give an exemption for when a presidential pardon is issued that new york can in fact uh... try same crime same circumstances which this isn't the case though right uh... and so i don't think it's applicable here but if it were in fact, try same crime, same circumstances, which this isn't the case though. Right. And so I don't think it's applicable here,

but if it were, let's say they did charge Manifort with the exact same tax fraud and stuff that they charged them federally under this new law, which Cuomo hasn't signed yet, but let's say he signs it. Would there be any ex-post facto law that would blanket, cover Manifort from not being allowed to be charged with these crimes since he's already committed them.

Yeah, I think the short answer is no. There's been some dispute about this because you read in the papers that it calves him out, but it doesn't. If what car the triggering event is the actual pardon. So if Trump were to, and I think that's probably why Cuomo's taking his time, everyone thinks Trump, if he would do it, it wouldn't be until, say, near the end of his term.

If he does that, the New New York law, if it passes, is triggered, and we're under the same sort of federal regime of saying New York's a separate sovereigns, but it's going to be okay. But it's really designed very carefully to go right at this situation that people are worried about. Trump himself, pardons Manafort or pardon as a family member. Then you have this special New York law. Once it passes, then Manafort would be in the soup again. But if Trump pardoned Manafort before Cuomo signed the law, then he wouldn't be subject to these things.

That's right, because the triggering event, and you know, yeah, you got it. Got it. The triggering event is the pardon. I wonder if Trump feels any pressure or Manafort's attorneys or feel any pressure for a quick pardon before this law is signed. Yeah, I mean, it is funny.

There's a little game of chicken going on. Cuomo could sign it tomorrow. I think they're a suit, and I don't know why he hasn't frankly. He has said that he will Maybe he's just stressing him out Like every day is like gonna sign it good Maybe not Maybe today is the testimonial to the Bronx Zoo, but just make him sweat That's right, but I think they're assuming that

Zou, but I think they're assuming that Trump's assuming that a pardon of this sort with Manafort would have really adverse consequences at the election and he wouldn't do it until after. Of course, so many things that everyone assumes would have adverse consequences for Trump, like the pardon of our Pio, he does anyway. But I do think the assumption is Maniforce on his own and tell Trump is on his way out and then we'll see. Yeah, all right. That's interesting too. And I am assuming it would also cover not just pardons of Trump's family or Maniforce,

for example, but maybe if he tried to self pardon. Yes. Which I don't even think is a thing, but I guess, you know, whatever. We're not knowing short. You know, my best guess is it is a thing, but a lot of things. Especially Bill Barr is the attorney judge, you know, who would ask if it's a thing,

who wouldn't answer. Right, right. And you wrote a piece, because this is a weird thing, and I just want to talk briefly about this. This is kind of yesterday's news, but he was supposed to go to Rikers. Most people in New York go to Rikers and when they're awaiting trial.

And have you been to Rikers, by the way? I have never visited or been a guest at Rikers. I've just TV is what I know. And some stories from some folks who've been there. But how did he, I mean, we know the story, but how, you did wrote a piece about this. How unprecedented is it, which I'm tired of getting tired of saying that word, that someone so high as a deputy attorney general, deputy assistant attorney general, deputy attorney general, deputy attorney general, deputy attorney general, deputy attorney general, deputy

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We need a new word for unprecedented. We need a new word. Promped precedent. But you're right. I mean, it's not simply. So what the Department of Justice said is, oh, he has unique security and health concerns. Complete Leib bogus. There are people who make this kind of plea

every single week. You know as a US attorney that it's totally up to the Bureau of Prisons and you're glad that that's the case. You say I can maybe make a recommendation here for unprecedented reasons that somehow Manifort responding to a letter from his lawyer gets to stay in the federal system and not Rikers, which by the way really is an infernal place. Many young adolescent inmates, Manifort would be in protective custody, but still it's like out of Dante. And instead much, much cushier, much better to stay in the federal system. And that's a real solid that, you know,

Rosen came in the deputy and this was on his desk already. So this is either bar or the White House or both. And I'm just here to tell you, it never, ever happens that a deputy attorney general would intervene in something like this. So it's quite clear. It's a complete turning of the tables, right, because the DOJ in the form of Mueller has been the one force that Manafort had to worry about. Now, they're kind of as good old friends, too, and, you know, friends do favors for friends.

So it does sort of reinforce the notion of keeping solid for the president and things will be all right. It was really an outrageous kind of corrupt thing to do because any way you slice it, the only possibility is a political intervention and for whatever reason that is simply improper. Has it illegal at all? No, is the short answer just because, especially after yesterday when the Supreme Court says we have to be hands-off certain things. Well, actually, I'll change.

There's an argument that it's illegal, but it's not, there's no judicial right. It's so unprecedented. We have no judicial right. But I mean, we know that the department should not be acting for political reasons. We know there shouldn't even be any communication between the White House and the department, but if there is, is there a remedy? Sure an answer is probably not. Yeah, yeah, they say it was for medical reasons. We said they asserted White privilege. That's what we do to get him out of

there because no one else would be given him out of there. Because no one else would be given that kind of ever. And who and who and who what other reason could there be, but who who he is vis-a-vis the president? Yeah. All right. Let's see another legal question for you. As we all know, Mueller was subpoenaed by the House Judiciary and Intelligence Committees to testify publicly July 17th. We're going to be a Philly that night, by the way. This keeps happening. We get live show. We had a live show at the Largo when the Mueller report dropped,

scheduled for months out. And now we'll be a Philly. I swear we don't have any head knowledge of any of this, but Trump's lawyer, Jasekulo, has said, hey, we was asked if they're going to try to block his testimony. And he's like, no Sekulo, has said, hey, we was asked if they're gonna try to block his testimony and he's like, no, we have no intentions of trying to block Mueller's testimony. And it just seemed disingenuous to me.

Does he even have, is there anything that Trump or the White House or the Department of Justice or Sekulo could do to block this testimony? Yeah, right, I mean, Sekulo is not even a criminal lawyer. He's like a religious lawyer. This kind of no-blessed oblige. Oh, we'll let him go. The short answer is, no, there's nothing they can do. On the other hand, there's nothing they could have really done. And I think that the courts will prove this about, say, hope, picks and other things. But so what can they do? They can make a bad faith assertion and force the Congress to go to the courts

Which will take months and and play the delay game complete bad faith complete disingenuousness What's a bad faith assertion? What do you mean by that? They were they'd make a legal claim that they know is garbage But so Sekalo, you know comes in and says, oh, like a blanket immunity for example, which you want to talk about the not being a thing, that's not a thing. Right, and you could file some sort of a loss in it. Right, I mean, Mueller has given a report. Congress has legitimate oversight powers.

Asking him about the report is the most straightforward thing in the world. You can imagine questions that the White House would say, we want to try to push back on that, but even that will be difficult. That's interesting. But the notion of trying to put roadblocks in at the beginning, what what Sekulo is so graciously saying they won't do, they have no basis for doing, but can they make some claim that will that will put a notice by the way, Mueller, every single other person, like Hopix, like Barr, like everyone, has said has made these garbage claims

and is forcing into the courts. Mueller could have done the same thing. Mueller is a law-biting person and he wanted to go to the party. Part of this, but he's still in a stand for the law. He's a paper, it's a subpoena and he will not make a garbage claim. He gets a lot of it. He gets a lot of it. He gets a lot of it.

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Yeah, exactly. It'll lose, but we'll lose at enough time that the air will leak out of the tires, whatever. I mean, this is our president and, and at stake here is not simply his own liberty, but our ability is a nation to know like what the hell happened here. And if they have their brothers, we never will. It's a absolute, you know, mind blowing prospect. And that's, and that's the game that the White House is playing. Well, Secular says he's not going to, but I would not put it past them.

And finally, this week, a judge has released about 230 pages of case names and dates for search warrants and communications, about 499 of those, another 200 communication requests. Ross Story then dropped a headline that says, bar kills seven Mueller investigations. And I immediately was like that it cannot even be correct. And I like Ross story. I didn't quite understand what the clickbait was all about. There's some good stuff. But the way I interpreted documents when I looked at them

was that they were closing seven applications for orders on April 1st, which was 10 days after the Mueller report came out, not to us, but to bar, I think. And none of those seemed to me to be investigations. There was one SDNY investigation, which was remained open and ongoing from the looks of it. So these seven things that were closed on this docket list, did bar kill them? And what are they? You're right. they're wrong. This is, you know, Barr, but even a broken clock,

you know, next we'll hear like Barr killed the two immigrants or whatever, it's not. So this is in fact a routine matter that everyone's getting hot and bothered about. The end of an investigation, you close up certain procedural things, like what? Search warrant application, certain, there are certain investigative maneuvers

that just as the law goes require a so-called separate number and proceeding. Yeah, I think there's communications from Twitter and Facebook and things like that. So those are probably not even bars. So what happens at the end of an investigation is the US Attorney's Office that's handling it here, probably a career person from the museum.

I think it was a STNY. Okay. But simply, they seem to be linked to the STNY investigation. Which is interesting in and of itself. But yeah, so they simply petition the court. Hey, we're done with this now. This is technically a matter that's hanging out there. We can close it and the court does it. That's all it is.

It's routine. Okay, the court, well, yeah, but it goes through the DOJ US Attorney's Office to ask to close it. They make the motion and court, yeah. Yeah, and if there's an argument against the motion of it closing, they'll make that and then eventually that it'll get closed. But usually I doubt that anything like this would have a motion to argue against the closure of these like anybody cares. Yeah, and for all we know the documents were obtained. Well, yeah, I mean, the court released them. We've seen what these pages are. It's not a mystery.

It's as you say, you go through them and you can see there that sort of haven't done all seven, but these, you know, like a search warrant application, application in connection with the exactly as you say the law for internet providers. You know, loose ends to tie up. That's all. Yeah. It kind of reminds me of those Manafort texts. That was interesting. Those were attachment six and apparently there was an attachment seven that was still redacted. Yeah. You mean the things that Mueller terminated says the president? No, those are the struck and page texts.

Okay. These are the Manit-ity texts we call them Manafort Hannity. Or some people are team Hannafort, but I the struck and page text. Okay. These are the the manate texts we call the manate for a Hannity or some people are team Hanifort, but I like Manate. Yeah, the little that was weird. But I know why she released them is because there's probably an open and ongoing investigation as to whether or not Kevin Downing should be held in contempt of court for violating a gag order. Right. That's a possibility. That's certainly some and we see this with Flynn as well or it might just be

CNN Moved for them and there's you know no reason not to at this point There is a you know a general presumption that that that the press can have things unless they can yeah But here's my guess and this is just a totally just These are space beans. We call them here on Mueller Shee wrote. So the texts in six, attachment six, is the ones that we saw. You become such a sophisticated observer of this issue. I gotta say, you are all over this stuff.

Okay, go ahead. So I'm looking at those, and in those they say, you know, you gotta talk to my lawyer, he's gonna call you January 29th, 3031. And then there's a whole attachment seven that wasn't released because it's still redacted, and presumably because it's part of an ongoing matter. And I'm wondering if those communications, we don't know if their texts are not, are the communications between

Manafort and Downing. And that is somehow evidence in some sort of retroactive contempt or gag order violation sanction order or something. So I don't know. But the question would be to try to sus it out is if we could conceive of it as a separate matter, as opposed to something that would just have been incidencee to the sentencing or whatever. So could judge Jackson maybe order to, that would be the sort of material that all the seven are about. Yeah, because she got him much later.

And can you retroactively cold someone in contempt or for violating a gag order? Is that something you can do? Totally. Well, I mean, are that you mean when you say retroactively, they're no longer in a civil contempt must be for an ongoing contempt to a situation, but that doesn't.

And of course, there's also criminal contempt. So the short answer is it depends, but I don't think that would matter so much here, because let's say it had been a contempt proceeding, even if it were closed, then she would still be releasing it now. So we wouldn't, we wouldn't exactly know what had happened. Right. So there could, did you have a show cause order? Maybe. Yeah, there could already be a contempt citation or a violent what had happened. Right. Did you have a show cause order? Maybe. Yeah, there could already be a contempt citation or a violent

agar- Show me why you're not in contempt and maybe he's skated free. Don't know. Yeah. Wonderful. I mean, it's just no joke. There's so many things like that. Would you have to say, wonder if we'll ever find out?

Is it going to be historians 10 years from now making educated surmises? And you know, this is an overall episode of the gravity of you name it 9-11 or the Kennedy assassination. It just seems intolerable to me that this will just be guesswork and in large part because of the obstructionist, successful obstructionism of the White House. It's really, you know, I think stomach turning. And not to mention the entire counterintelligence part of the White House. It's really, I think, stomach turning. And not to mention the entire counterintelligence part of the investigation, which is- I bet you understand my secret. Usually it never comes out.

And that's why I've been trying to get my co-hosts to find a way to preserve my head. After I pass away, so they're in 50 or 60 years, I'll be able to find out what happened. Get Josh Campbell or Frank Fagluzzi on here. They have very educated surmises on just this topic. Cool. Yeah. I try, I've tried to get Josh and I'll speak to him and Fagluzzi's great too. But yeah, I would love to know 60 years from now how this all went down, but you know, who, we just don't know. Right. I mean, I'm older now. The prospect is I'll never know. It's just, this is the one thing that didn't occur to me.

That he might keep himself out of jail, but would he keep the American people from learning about this? It's really. Well, we did have God on the podcast. How'd she do? It was at the good God above, so this is a gentleman from Twitter. And he actually told me that all the molar materials will be available in heaven.

So there's that. Now, as an atheist, I don't know. But yeah, jokes aside, I really wish I was going to, you know, but if I were 10 years old, I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing. It might not be as interested in it. But you know, but if I were 10 years old, I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing. I might not be as interested in it. But, you know, future generations. You are a pioneer for the 10-year-old. My daughter, I think, would be inspired by you to do what she may be for all I know, having a Taylor Swift would be basically, yeah, basically, Taylor Swift and Transgender.

Those would be the two topics of her podcast. That would be awesome. Yeah. You know what? Have her get in touch with us. Okay, I'll help her out. Because we do get a lot of tweens listening to us. Even though we drop F-bombs and stuff, their moms let us, their moms let them listen.

It's more PG-13, I mean, for gosh sakes, we're not Disney, but we're also not WDISDEL. So, all right, well former US Attorney, WAPO columnist, law professor, make sure you check out Talking Feds, wherever you get your podcasts. Where can we find the Talking Feds podcast? TalkingFeds.com or wherever you get your podcasts.

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So it's been really exciting. I have to say that, you know, it was coming here a few months ago and seeing how you just did it. It made me well, A.G. Did it? We can do it. And we're trying to do it. Well, thank you.

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Ooh. Oh yeah. If there's a council, like it would make my appeal to you. They'll probably, it probably started in February for that reason, but ended up being in December. Oh yeah, I can't push it back.

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