Jack - Pod Save America Crossover (feat. Dan Pfeiffer & Andrew Janz)

Episode Date: June 25, 2018

MAIN - This week, Jaleesa gives an update on the Ukraine Peace Plan, Jordan gives an update on Roger Stone, and AG goes over the NY Field Office leaks. We also have Pod Save America's Dan Pfeiffer on the show to discuss his Fantasy Indictment League picks, as well as Andrew Janz on our new segment called Flip It Blue! Enjoy!

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Good to be here. It's different from your usual halal. This is our podODSN of America crossover. And Beaton is a November extravaganza bananza episode. So exciting. I'm very, very excited. Yeah, this week we have Dan Fyfer. He's a former senior advisor for President Obama and co-host of PODSN of America.

And he's got a new book out, so we'll check that out. And we have the incomparable Andrew Jans, who is running as the Democrat for Congress in the 22nd District in California against Jordan's boyfriend. He's got a new book out, so we'll check that out. And we have the incomparable Andrew Jans, who is running as the Democrat for Congress in the 22nd District in California against Jordan's boyfriend. Ah! Devin Nunez. Yeah.

Are you hurt and sad? I'm more hurt and sad that my one comment many months ago has stuck with me and haunted me this long. You've committed to the big. I do like that. It's a thing now. Sorry. But yes, yeah, no.

Andrew's fantastic, and I'm excited for the interview. Yeah, it's a great interview. So we have a lot to get to this week. Jolisa is going to discuss updated stories related to the Ukraine Peace Plan. If you remember all that, turns out it happened a year before we thought or something like that. You'll keep us up to date or you'll update us on that. And Jordan is going to give us an update on Roger Stone. And I'm going to go

over the New York field office leaks. So it's going to be a fun show. So did you guys have, how was your week? I think it was better. Yeah, yeah, better this week than last week in personal stuff. But the country was shook. Dude, it scored this week with the news of what's going on at the border. So that's been that's been crazy. Putting in babies in jail. Mm-hmm. I got a tattoo though. Yeah, you sure did.

You got a Wilpert tattoo. You and Russell Brock and Haley Nicole. Yeah, Haley got little step ladders because one of his jokes is I just bought a new step ladder, but what is it? But I'll never love it as much as my real ladder. Yeah. So I got a little step ladder. It's a key one.

Yeah, yeah. It's great. And then we'll put the moshy row tattoo right next to it. Exactly. Yes. I want to get more now. Yeah. Does this your first one?

Yeah, exactly. Oh, you'll never stop. Mm-hmm. That's addicting. Yeah. I had a dream this week that I made out with Komi. Oh my, that's scandalous. I know.

You, somebody was like, I told my best friend, I haven't told anybody yet. And she's like, how was it? And I was like, he was very honest and transparent. Honest loyalty. But then he told everyone about it 11 days before he was wetting. So, that's amazing. Yeah, that's really funny.

Tall. Yeah, people think that we're doing bits when we say we're sexually attracted to James coming. That's his real life. It's not a bit. But I know he ruined the country. I mean, he had a role. We all had a role in ruining the country.

No, I did. Not. Well, that's my part. We're trying to rescue in ruining the country. No, I did. No. I did my part. No, we're trying to rescue the country. I want to redeem myself. And I'm going to go more into Komi's role in this a little bit later in the show when I do my notes. So stick around for that.

Let's see. We have a couple of corrections from last week. I had said that Nixon offered John Dean a pardon on the phone, but it was actually Hal Demen. It was his chief of staff. So there. And nobody pointed that out to me. It occurred to me when I was listening to it.

I'm like, that's not right. Who said that? You fact-check yourself. I love that about you. And then someone pointed out in our best of episode that we listed all the impeachments, we forgot Andrew Johnson. So yeah, I know it was on CNN, it was widely covered. Yeah, I know, I just completely forgot about Andrew Johnson.

For the wildfire on social media. Yeah, it had it, it traveled around the world twice before the truth got its boots on. Comey. Anyway, that's, those are our corrections, so thanks for pointing that out. And then I guess we can just get to the news with just the facts. Alright, first I know we're here because we're a Mueller podcast. But if you've been with us for a while, you know that I have to say something, and we have to say something when there's news that's too big to ignore, right?

We had the DACA issue, we had the Muslim ban, we had the shithole countries comment, we had the parkland shooting. These are stories that will shape our history and they're gonna be standouts in the history books, and this week our new cycle was dominated and rightfully so by what's happening at the border. Well, Donald, smart people, we can do two things at once sometimes, sometimes three. So we aren't going away just because you decided to incarcerate babies after ripping them away from their parents and then pretending to be a hero by saving them from your own policy, which while it does keep families together, it attempts to remove the 20-day detention limit for children, effectively creating internment camps that cost us billions of dollars

when these families could be in our communities working and paying taxes and buying goods and propping up the economy while strengthening our diversity. We're on to you, Mr. Trump, and we're bringing the Mueller news no matter the fuck what. No matter what atrocities you come up with and try to bury this story, we're doing the Mueller news. No matter the fuck what. I love that. But I could not, and I would be remiss, if I did not mention how terrifying and sad and disgusting and autocratic and dictatorial, what is happening at the border is right. I mean, we've been saying for a while, people have been talking about fascism and it's like, well, okay, like, we're a couple of steps in.

When are people going to acknowledge that? Just historically speaking, we're already there. We have seven steps in out of 10. Yeah. You shared that, yeah. You should put that in our newsletter. I will. That'll be in the newsletter.

He held an event where they talked about the families that have been affected by criminal undocumented people. Oh, he matched out every single person who ever had somebody get killed or raped by an immigrant and an illegal immigrant that shouldn't have been here. And the statistics are clear, Americans commit more crime than immigrants. Naturalized or natural born Americans commit way more crime. And then he autographed the pictures of the dead loved ones. What? The actual fuck.

It's like, you know, when he did the paper towel throwing and play rega, I was like, how can this get any weirder? And he just, every day, he takes a two-in-a-loub, he signed, and then he said one of them looked like a handsome Tom Selec. Like, first of all, Tom Selec's pretty handsome, but in his heyday. But he's mentioning how good- looking this lady's kid is. The dead.

Who is dead? Yeah, and this is all hugely tragic. And I don't for one minute want to minimalize these people's experience. It's awful and it's horrible. But to march them out in some sort of way to scare people and basically say that, you know, we need to protect our borders from Honduran toddlers, I guess.

Cause they'll grow up to be MS 13 and rape and kill us all. It's just the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. And the Wamp Wamp comment. Oh God, yeah, when the guy got on, the guy got on one of the news channels and was talking about a 10 year old girl with Down syndrome who was taken away from her parents and Cornelun Dabbsky goes,

Wamp Wamp, it's so blatant. And he was like, a girl with Down syndrome who was taken away from her parents and Korylund Dowski goes, want, want? It's so blatant. I mean, how do you explain that? Excuse me? Excuse me, sir. Yeah, he was pissed. And I would be pissed too. I just got goosebumps thinking about somebody saying that about another human being.

Totally. But we already know how this administration feels about disabled people, so whatever. Exactly. You guys are dicks. So I had to bring it up. I had to mention it because it's hugely important. But I also am not going to shy away from doing the Mueller news. That's what we're here for. And we aren't going. You can't stop us. And also for the people that might be

starting it, I don't think our listeners are, but people in the country that are getting fatigued a little bit by this investigation. This is the thing that's going to stop him and stop him from doing all of these other atrocious acts. It's like, this is why this is so important. So I really hope people don't lose sight of that. This is our best shining hope of getting him the fuck out. Yeah, totally. It is. And I don't know how well it's going to work, but 2020 is, I think the latest, is he's got. Yeah, right? Hmm. All right. Well, let's let's get to the news you guys Monday. We learned Roger Stone has a Russian friend I'll teach you every thing that I know. This adds to the long, long list of meetings that Trump aides have had with Russians and then lied about.

Jordan's gonna give us more detail on this story later in the show. Indeed. Also, Monday, the House Intelligence Committee released thousands of Russian Twitter ads, most of which were memes telling people they could vote for Hillary from home using hashtags or texting the word Hillary to a number. Oh my god. These are all paid for by Russian State Television RT and they were specifically aimed to disenfranchise voters.

Mueller has reviewed these ads as part of his investigations into Russian interference in our elections to benefit Donald Trump. The House also released the Twitter accounts identified by Twitter as connected to the internet research agency in Russia. I ruts the troll farm. Ironically, many of these tweets from these accounts question Russia's involvement in the election. Like, if you think Russia meddled in our elections, you're stupid, rigged by the Democrats,

etc. So here's hoping Mueller can find out who paid for that. Because I think he'll find ties to Cohen's slush fund, but that's just conjecture, put beans on it, whatever. Cohen made all sorts of news this week. First, he hired a former Southern District of New York prosecutor as his lawyer and counselor. Pundits believe that, and I believe that this is indicative of his willingness to cooperate, because this attorney is a specialist in that arena. He knows how the prosecutorial shit goes down in Southern District or New York, so he's

going to know best how to cooperate. And later in the week, Cohen slammed Trump on Twitter for the child separation, and he officially resigned from the RNC. I had no idea he was still part of that. Yeah. I'm like, whoa, weird. Then we learned that the guy who runs the inquire, Pecker, remember? He was subpoenaed in the Cohen case as well.

Pecker. Pecker. Pecker. Pecker. His name is Pecker. And we learned that Cohen and Pecker were in Kahoot's Dairy. I can't even say it.

And Cohen and Pecker were in Kahoot's during. I can't even say it. And Cohen and Pecker were in Kahoot's during the campaign. And Pecker was vetting all the stories through Cohen about Trump. But we kind of figured that much. And then Tom Arnold went full nunberg and made the rounds about his meeting with Cohen. And all this, and I think Cohen is going to cooperate with this prosecution. Some of my sources say they believe Cohen's been cooperating since before the raid. Whoa, damn, that would be fucking nuts. Put some beans on that and we'll see what happens.

We learned that last Friday, struck was escorted from the FBI building after he said he was willing to testify to the House Judiciary Committee. Struck is one of the two lawyers that was working on the FBI investigation into Russian interference. He was having an extra marital affair with a lawyer who also worked their name page, Lisa Page. And they had all the texts that were going back and forth that Nunez and Sessions released that said, Trump is a douche, and we got to stop him

and all this other stuff. The IG report was troubled by that, but said that none of his decisions were influenced by political bias in the investigation. So that's cleared up. But they were also concerned. Horowitz, the inspector general, was concerned that the FBI's month-long delay in obtaining a search warrant to review the Weiner laptop was because of struck. Strino, caw.

We got hackers and Weiner laptop. Yes, it's Heiner's. It's all sorts of dicks. This is what patriarchy looks like. Yeah, we got to smash it. And so the IG said that struck prioritize the Russia investigation over the Weiner laptop, which I also would have done. Yeah.

I think anyone would have done probably. Because one was a counterintelligence investigation that's not publicly known and one was not. So anyway, Wednesday, a judge in the Manafort case denied Manafort's motion to suppress the evidence Mueller got from the storage lockers. So if you remember, we reported a while back that Manafort accused Mueller of getting that evidence

without cause, like, the violated his fourth amendment or whatever, well, the violated his Fourth Amendment or whatever. Well, the judge disagrees and Manafort is still fucked. So, Thursday, we found out that the PDADAG, the paydag, the principal assistant deputy attorney general, O'Calaan, is his name, and another DOJ official met with Mueller's team. Apparently, there are reporters who stake out Mueller's office,

and they say that this is the first time they've seen these guys go in. But when they asked the paydag, he said, quote, we've been meeting every other week for a while. It's like, how are you getting in, bro? Because we've been staking out this door. Yeah, that's a mystery. That's a mystery.

What they're meeting about, how long they've been meeting, why they're meeting, if it's a biweekly meeting, what's going on, or is it getting close, and you need to report all the shit that you're about to come out with, because the paydag Basically is reports directly to Rosenstein so it's kind of like meeting with Rosenstein himself Then Thursday raw story put out a report that the Trump campaign data operation had actually stolen the Clinton emails More than a month before WikiLeaks published them in a column from a British magazine called Spectator, a BBC correspondent named Paul

Wood alleged that Cambridge Analytica was in possession of Clinton's emails a month before a Wiki was known to have them. He said that an American lawyer he knew at Camana, a Cambridge Analytica had the emails saying, quote, an American lawyer, an American lawyer I know told me that he was approached by a Cambridge Analytica after the election. They had had the Clinton emails more than a month before they were published by WikiLeaks. What should I do? And Paul would advise him to take it to Mueller, so he probably did. And I'm telling you this because it's being reported by a couple of sources, but it's

hearsay of hearsay. So I want to make clear that this information hasn't been verified by us, but it was verified by Ross Story. Friday, Mueller filed a motion, rebudding Manafort's ask to claim politics played a role in the decision to prosecute him and to keep the word collusion out of the trial. And the judge sided with Mueller. Additionally, Judge Jackson ruled that Mueller can move forward with prosecuting Manafort on money laundering charges, because Manafort filed a motion to have that thrown out. That's the fourth time Manafort is trying to get charges dropped, and the fourth time he's been denied.

Lawyers for Manafort argued that the money laundering allegations were moot, because the Fera violations, that's the Foreign Agency Registration Act, the Fera violations pertain to his failure to register, not his lobbying work, and Judge Jackson, if you nasty, said, quote, federal laws expressly prohibit acting as a representative of a foreign entity without submitting the required notification to the Attorney General. And for those reasons, the alleged international banking transactions could promote and Manafort could realize the proceeds from the fair of violation.

Manifort would be the worst person to be hit on by. He just be like, have a nap. No, have a nap. He can't take a hit. No. Just keep submitting motion. Have a now he can't take a hit no just keep submitting motion Like fucking go away. Why why why are you back? Just take them for the answer, but no he and Trump are like that. Yeah, you have to literally lay the lawn him Yep, they hang out with Peckers and also yeah, pickers and weeners backers and weeners Cox and Dicks Packers and weeders. Cox and Dix. LL.

Then, our good buddy Gates filed a motion to lose his ankle jewelry and the judge denied that. I have a photo of the decision in this week's newsletter if you're a patron. You can sign up to be a patron at patreon.com slash muller she wrote. It's worth it. Also Friday, muller filed a motion to sentence popodopolis on September 7thth or October if the judge is busy so like what's the judge doing in September? Interesting. What other cases are happening? I don't know. We'll see. It should be pretty interesting at least. Yeah, I feel like they typically don't

include if you're not busy unless there's some big stuff going on around the country. Yeah, I know. I'm that truly is convenient. It's usually not a thing. I don't know. Maybe, maybe. Maybe some of our lawyer friends can tell us. Twitter does add Muller She wrote and let us know what you think about that. I thought it was a weird entry. Mm-hmm.

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Alright, welcome back. Hot notes. Alright, today's hot notes are good ones. Jordan is going to talk about a new, as of yet unreported Russian contact with a Trump aid. We learned about this week, but first, Jolisa has an update for us on the Ukraine Peace deal, right? Oh yes.

Alright, Jolisa hit it. Alright, so we learned on Friday from a Clutch UDC that the peace plan for Ukraine and Russia that Cohen was supposed to deliver to Trump now seems to have much earlier origins and more authors than previously believed. So according to a former Ukrainian legislator, Andrew Artamenko. Artamenko? Artamenko, you got it. Yeah, yeah.

The plan was initially drafted in early 2016 with a large amount of input from an ex-congressman and an Ukrainian American billionaire. So, Artamenco told McClaudcey in several recent interviews that the pro-Moscow Peace Proposal began in February 2016 during discussions at a Ukraine-focused conference at Manor College in Philadelphia. He says that former Republican congressman Kurt Welden and New York real estate mogul, Alexander Roft, or Roft, were heavily involved. Apparently, it was even called the Roft Welden Plan, but for some reason these guys didn't

make it into the early reports. Neither their roles nor the fact that the plan was drafted nearly a year before it was given a coin for delivery made it into the initial reports. And what's so interesting about all this is that now these are two more of Trump's people who are tied to this proposal, along with Cohen, of course, Felix Sater and Michael Flynn. So, you know, not a good group of guys to be associated with. And for the record, the proposal would have lifted sanctions on Moscow if the Kremlin withdrew Russian forces from Eastern Ukraine, but it could also have permitted Russia to

keep control of Crimea, which of course, in annex in 2014. So very pro-Moscow plan. In Artymenko even said, well, didn't introduce him to, quote, high society in the US, including Congressman Dana Roerbacher. Yes. He's high society or is US including congressman Dana Roerabonker. Oh, yes. He's high society or is he just high? You know what? I don't even want to think he smokes. He's not cool enough.

Yeah. There's on children's tears. He's smoking that shitty mecky. Yeah, yeah, synthetic weed. Full of lumber. I hope someone's selling him the wrong stuff. I hope he rolls his joints with a bunch of seeds And they just blow up in his face. Yeah, he's just smoking a regular all day like oh, it's good. Right

Dick also GOP Senator raw apartment of Ohio and Democratic Congresswoman Marcy Captain or cup cup cap is a captain spell it K a pt you are Cup cop tour. Yeah, I got a captain. Yeah, captain. What really trips me is that this is a Democrat I know not all Democrats are like progressive, but like this is one of those names that I want to remember because She she was associated with these guys and in this connection with Weldon and and you know Moscow on this plan So Roorobarker is or even referred to as Putin's best friend in Washington. Yeah. So Weldon and

Roth have made or have the most history with Russia oligarchs or Russian oligarchs and 2006 Weldon's daughter's office and home were rated by the FBI for his actions to support a Russian managedmanaged oil and gas company that gave his daughter a half-million-dollar contract to do public relations work. Yeah, and immediately after the contract was signed, he gathered 30 lawmakers for dinner to honor the chairman of a Russian company called Iterra, or I don't know if that was the Russian pronunciation of this, but it's an energy company. And well, then even intervening to help this company when federal agencies canceled a contract with

them and London was never charged for any of this. So I guess you know they have experience in getting away with this kind of shit. So Rolf made his fortune running fertilizer businesses in Russia, but sold most of his assets in 2007 to another Ukrainian oligarch Dmitry Fertosh, who was a chief finance here. Yeah, for those. For those. Yeah, he's talked about a lot in the Russian roulette book we did.

He worked for Yankovich. Is that how you pronounce it? Yankovich. Yannikovych. You're singing a weirdo. Yeah, yeah, there we go. Dude, if weirdo, I'm gonna say that sounds so much like Yanikovic exactly. I would support weird alien We're weird Yanikovic

Weirdo Yanikovic That's funny. That would be great so many parodies needs to be done under that name So basically that pro-Russian political party with that guy was the same party that paid millions of dollars to Paul Manafort, who was, of course, Yenikovic's advisor before he became Trump's campaign chairman. Also, in BC reported that Roth was an investor with Spruce Capital, who gave a $3.5 million loan to one of Paul Manafort's companies right after he left the Trump campaign in 2016. So they're just, you know, feeling his pockets, no matter where he goes. I don't know what if they're paying him in jail to like, what if we can find like Trace's, what do you call it? They're, um, they're commons and commons. They're, yeah, that's a question.

They're buying money. They're cigarettes or something. I would believe it. Here's three toothbrushes. Make shifts. They've been helping him the whole time. Oh, no, he's in like a sweet man. Oh, I bet believe it. Here's three toothbrushes. Make shifts. They've been helping him the whole time. Oh, no, he's in like a sweet man. Oh, I bet.

Yeah. So, Congressman Adam Schiff said in a statement that quote, the fact that this proposal was being considered a year in advance of its provision to the White House raises serious questions about how far long the discussion had progressed and the extent to which Russia was involved in the planning or consideration of the proposal.

So when the plan was first drafted in February 2017, the New York Times reported a provision that called for a referendum to be held in Ukraine after Russian troops withdrew on whether Crimea would be leased to Russia for 50 to 100 years. So it's a short lease. Yeah, you know, this is just... I just signed a hundred years lease on my... Really weird stuff here. On my car.

So, last time the United States even had any kind of hand in like leasing out of country, like, this is just weird to me. Oh, I know, it could have been last week, man. I don't even know. That's a point. Who knows? Oh my goodness, I was thinking Louisiana purchase,

but maybe. We bought, though, we didn't lease. You're right, you're right. We lose the people. We lose the people. Our landlord. I feel like California is somewhat leased as Baja, but you know. Oh, I believe it.

We're a little different. Totally. The radio station. Sorry, I'm getting distracted. Local residents. Yeah, local residents. We live in San Diego and in the middle of the night, forever 91x, would play the Mexican national anthem on the radio.

Yeah. At midnight. And they do. They have a bunch of political ads too. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And also tourism ads. Oh, come to Mexico but never on Sunday. Because it's their day.

It's their crowded church home family day. So they're like, come down, spend your money. But stay the fuck out on Sunday. We're busy. So you're telling me that it's going to be really cheap on Sunday? Basically. Oh no, there's just not's gonna be really cheap on Sunday? Basically. Oh no, there's just not gonna be anybody there. Oh that makes it all, you know.

Fair enough, fair enough. So just to wrap it all up, on June 8th, Artamenco testified for several hours before Washington, DC Grand Jury tied to the Miller investigation. Uh-huh. Yeah, and meanwhile,

he's also been ousted from Ukraine's legislature and also lost his citizenship due to the revelation of the plan and it its perceived pro-Moscow tilt. So as we know, the plan fizzled after the time to expose it along with the late January meeting in New York that Artymenko and Sator had with Cohen to persuade him to pass it along to a top administration official like Flynn, and both Artymenko and Sator told McClauchy that Cohen agreed to do so. So after his grand jury appearance,

Ardemenko says he now realizes that Cohen quote, is the target of interest to Mueller. Yeah, which is obvious, but it's like just seeing everyone that's around him just cave like that. It's just so satisfying. It really is. Oh, podcasts are back. Yeah, oh, they want to chime in on the hot notes.

He's really upset about the Ukraine piece plan. Oh pod cats are back. Yeah, oh, they want to chime in on the hot notes. He's really upset About the Ukraine peace plan. Oh, understandably so. Yeah, he was telling me yesterday about the two-state solution Oh wow in the Middle East so you know, he's into it fascinating. He's very into it I wonder if he's gonna keep you know what I don't care I Think most of our listeners are cat friendly You know what? I don't care. I think most of our listeners are cat friendly. But he's gonna be like, that's it.

I'm taking all my money back. I hate you guys. Cats are dumb. It's affecting us all this investigation. Definitely. Oh my god. Persewell is very upset. My other cat is persewell less.

Oh, oh, it's not persewell less. No, that's closer. That's boobs. That's bitch tits. Oh, I just have to start body shaving the cat. No, he stopped calling. Aww. No, still here.

Would you, I don't know. You mean to put him down? Put him down? I'll like him away. We could. Oh my God. I know you're like a guilty until proven in Paris in person. Yeah, yeah, I know I love cats.

All right, thank you so much, Jolissa. That's good reporting. Of course. Thank you. All right, Jordan, what do you have for us today? So I got stuff on Radger Stone and Caputa. Michael Caputa. So these two guys worked for the term campaign and have extensive ties to

to Russia and another meeting has popped up that they have otherwise said didn't happen or they didn't remember happening. They misremembered it. They mis yeah they neither said when testifying and fur in the house they said they did not remember or they yeah they could not recall classic so uh it's come out that one day late made 2016 Roger Stone went into a meeting with somebody that goes by the name of Henry Greenberg who is a Russian that has lived in the US sometimes when it goes back to Moscow to live his high life at other times. And I'll just, I'm just going to set the stage for you, just the image that's described here and is reporting by the Washington Post. Roderstone gets in his Jaguar, of course, and goes to meet this guy. And he's sitting there, probably like a 1993 Jaguar.

You know, yeah, like he picked it up on Craig's list. Yeah, because no one, that knows Trump is actually rich. I don't think I think that's the word learning here. And there's nothing wrong with having a 93 Jag. I've got some good friends who have, I have one good friend who has one. Yeah, but you know, it's just, anyway, I don't think he would drop,

have a million dollars on a car. Yeah, he's super, he's dropping it on those sick tattoos, bro. On his back. What's that? What else is in the house? But so he goes and he meets this guy. He meets Greenberg. It's in Florida. He has this restaurant. He's trying to unsuccessfully open and solicit money for I'm sure somehow. But that's conjecture. I'm just kidding. But he goes to meet him at this restaurant.

And he's sitting there, Greenberg sitting there, wearing not only a make America great again hat, but also a make America great again shirt. Oh wow. Oh. I don't know if you're aware of this gutter, but there actually was music recorded before 1989. What is this?

You're gonna wear this to the show. You're gonna wear the shirt of the band, you're gonna go see, don't be that guy. So it meets up with this guy. And basically what he does is he offers damaging information to the Trump campaign about Hillary Clinton, blah, blah, blah, we all know this story, it's happened many times.

Stop me if you've heard this one. Yeah. And he offers it, and he offers it for $2 million. And of course, Stones like, nope, Donald Trump doesn't pay for anything. He's not going to pay for this. So they walk away from the meeting. He doesn't get any information, no money transaction

happens. Then he gets a text message from Michael Caputo. And he says, this is on May 29, 2016, WAPO has a screenshot of the text. It says, how crazy is the Russian? And Roger Sun says, wants big money for the info waste of time. Michael Caputo says, the Russian way, anything at all interesting, which is a weird way to phrase a sentence. And Roger Sun says, no. And so, no, it's not what Giuliani was going around saying that, oh, it doesn't matter because they didn't get anything.

Yeah, it's, I mean, that's what, it's what everyone's saying, right? It's with DTJ also said about his potential contacts that he lied about at first and said he didn't have. And then it comes out. Yeah, they're saying, well, they came to them and offered them stuff. And my guy said, no. So, yeah. And so now, two years after that meeting happened,

this is resurfacing because it's being corroborated as having actually happened, and Stone and Caputo are now forced, their hand has been forced, and there's so much proof that they have to admit that it happened. And now they're being accused by Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee, obviously, of lying through their teeth. So, Swalwell and Adam Schiff,

the people who I truly find attractive in this investigation, let's just get that straight. Not newness? Not newness. I fuck know. Come on. I was checking. Yeah. A broken thing. You guys have been together for a while. It's a toxic relationship. It's very toxic. But they're getting called out now by House Dem saying that you lied. You lied through your teeth to us. I don't think you can lie to Congress. I think that's a law. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, this isn't just a, hey, you lied. This is a, hey, you lied now. Good job opening up another investigation into your conduct. Right, like you age. It's just going to keep going. Absolutely.

Yeah. So, um, at the meeting, though, Henry Greenberg, who, this, okay, this is very interesting. So he's an interesting guy. He sometimes goes by the name Henry Wongyang. Wongyang. Wongyang. Wongyang. Wongyang. Wongyang. Wongyang. Okay, and why? No fucking vowels. What monsters?

There's a bunch of consonants string together. I never trust in anything about vowels. Wongyang. Wongyang. Yeah, gng. But, oh, we're terrible. We are. We are. These are just jokes about letters, not about Russians. Right.

Yeah. Yeah. All jokes. We're comedians. Anyway. So this guy goes by, at different times, he's gone by different names. And basically, he's a wealthy guy in Russia that's very well connected as it seems all of the celebrity

Esk like oligarchs are over there but he also has enough ties to criminals that he is acted as an FBI informant to the FBI for a significant amount of time actually at different points in time. It was that why people are on the right or saying that they were set up. So this is another opportunity for Stone to say, okay, well, fuck you all you guys, I was set up and I believe that a whole hard to lead this was an FBI

attempt to infiltrate our campaign with this guy. Twitch, this guy said, nope, absolutely not. I acted completely independently. I haven't provided information to the FBI for years. And I think since 2013 was the last time he provided the actor as an informant. Yeah, I, uh, Wapu reported, I think it was between 2008 and like 2012 that he was doing a significant amount

of informant work for them, basically. Would it be bad if he was planted? That would be bad, right? That'd be really, that'd be a lot of it. If they were honest about it, would that be different? The FBI? Yeah, are they allowed? They don't have to tell you shit. Okay. They are the FBI. And they already said they didn't. And they wouldn't. They didn't respond to a request for the okay. And they're not going to. And they didn't. I'm pretty sure they didn't. Yeah, I'm leaning towards that too. I'm just wondering like what how strong of a case it even is for them like they would have to have proof And even then I'm I'm just yeah, I wonder yeah, this guy strikes me as okay, you know, I forget what Star Wars movie it is

I apologize. It's a our our rogue wars podcast fans wouldn't oh, yeah They'll be there. No, it's green. Rogue wars pocket. Yeah, what are they you're gonna be in would. Oh, yeah, they'll be there. No, no, no, no. Rogue wars, podcast. Yeah, what are they? You're going to be in trouble. Yeah, yeah, definitely. It's a one, but I thought I thought they had like hashtag Rogue Wars or something, whatever. Anyways, anyways, I bet the other MSW.

Yeah, the stars people would know, but there's a character in that movie who is basically just an arm's dealer that has no loyalty to anybody. Right. Like chaotic evil. Yes. And he just has loyalty to the people that are gonna, you know, the highest bidder. That's kind of what this guy strikes me as. Exactly.

So I'm too. Yeah, except he's also just a complete idiot. At least people like this know how to dress up for the attention. Like a chaotic and neutral. True. There you go. Yeah. Not evil. Oh, no problem I thought you just made that a neutral has no there are nine specific dungeons and dragons

Categories like like ENTJ and I know that's Yeah, but for like dorks, so which is me by the way. I'm not I'm with you Yeah, so there's like Anyway, it's there's nine of them. There's good evil and neutral and then chaotic and waffle and Interesting something else and then they make nine things. I've seen those I didn't know was it Dungeons and Dragons reference. I thought it was like a bingo card or something That's D&D. Okay, well that's, yeah, a chaotic neutral.

That sounds like it applies to you. Get your mountain due code red. And join us next week. Yeah. We have a face red with five hours. Yeah, that is kind of it. Like that, that, you know, totally not on anyone's side, just there to make the most money.

Yeah. I don't know anything about the nature of what he was providing information to the FBI for over the course of those years. They listed everything from child trafficking to money laundering. So just a crime syndicate. I imagine that he had information on and was helping to provide. And Julie's, I don't think if the FBI actually sent him in, they aren't going to use this in their investigation. Right.

So it wouldn't be used to prosecute them. That makes sense, yeah. So it's not even, I mean, first of all, I'm 99.9% sure that this was not a setup. Right, Ryan, what's going on? Because there are 27 other meetings that took place. Yeah, well, even if this one was, it doesn't even matter, right? And we're back channels set up and... Yeah, Stone was already talking to WikiLeaks

at this point about getting the transcripts from them before they released some of the public. So it's just a distraction for them. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, it's also like, if they really thought that he was an informant and that was a red flag to them, wouldn't they have come out of the gate saying that

from the beginning or something? Right. And not, I mean, because they can't because they were for sure engaging in those sketchy conversations on other levels that would have opened up in more of an investigation into that at that point in time. If you're a normal law abiding citizen and somebody from Russia comes and offers you money for stuff or offers you stuff for money, you go to the cops. You go to the FBI.

Yeah. That's what everyone always does. And if you don't and then you lie about it, well, this isn't a good two. That's only good enough. It does not. No. And so an interesting element to this conversation

that happened as well is that Greenberg brought a Ukrainian guy with him who he only identified as a Lexi, just one name, no second name. His story was that supposedly he had been fired from the Clinton Foundation, which as we know is a global charitable organization founded by Hillary Clinton's husband. And I guess the motivation for him giving dirt would be that he's upset at the foundation for firing him and green bird brought this guy All fired up and ready to go. I hate to use Obama slogan but basically

This is a big old none burger in terms of it being a coordinated effort on behalf of the FBI. They're too smart to do that. There's no way that they would do that. Like you said, AG, they won't be able to use any of the evidence they obtained if they unlawfully sent in an informant without any sort of formal investigation. The investigation didn't open up for another couple months after this even occurred. So yeah, I'm not worried. But the only thing is this guy is just kind of a sketchy interesting character, I guess, that he's weird. He's very strange.

Yeah, he's been sentent, they're not sentenced. Just charged like $2.7 million in a case of some money laundering or something in Russia. I forget here. I know what it is. Let me get you the the exact happenings He was arrested in 2002 and charged with a decade old 2.7 million dollar fraud The Moscow Times reported that authorities found three passports with false names in his apartment and photographs

That appeared to show him posing with movie director Steven Spielberg and all their stuff So he's just a weird guy. Yeah, he's just a really weird guy. He's had contacts with many of the names that we've been hearing throughout this investigation. So to me, it seems like this meeting was just another bait that Roger Stone and the Trump campaign took. And then I guess it turned't turn out to be fruitful because I had to pay for the information. So they left light about it so they never did it, never

had the meeting and now it's come out that they have and they're gonna have to answer to that. Yeah, light to Congress. Typical move. It's crazy. Very typical. Caputo's also a fucking weird, horrible person. Yeah, he made the rounds on the news cycle and it was... He... Yeah. Yeah, he worked for Boris Yeltsin. Yeah. Yeah. He did.

What is up with... I don't even know. I just didn't know that people had such strong ties. I feel so out of the loop. Yeah. I didn't... I'm like, people have been sowing seeds of corruption with Russia for decades and decades and I just, so naive. I feel so swindler. All right guys, well, that was that. Thank you for the Nixon back tattoo.

Update. God, he's so weird. He's weird. And he wears his little glasses. And wears his, like, pinstripe jackets, blazers, with like t-shirts underneath. And he smokes cigars and drives old Jaguars. He's weird. It's just a weird dude.

And he gets drunk and makes Instagram videos. Yeah. He seems like he should be a villain in one of those like stop motion, claymation films, you know? A lot of the great. Like the Rudolph the Ritmin. He like he should be,

he should have played the Jack Frost, the evil villain guy or something. Good call. Mainly good nap nap. That's Jacket, yeah. Yeah. All right, you guys, I'm gonna go into my hot note here. Last week, we talked extensively about the Inspector General report.

We even did a whole bonus episode on it. It was the report that came out about the handling of the Hillary email investigation, leading up to the 2016 election. Horowitz sets the Inspector General. He mentioned the New York Field Office in the report briefly, but we've posited that there would be an entire separate report. If there's not already a criminal investigation into what happened in the New York Field Office

for the FBI in September. The IG report partly blamed Strock for prioritizing the Russian investigation over the Weiner laptop investigation, though they found his decisions were not politically motivated, as I said at the top of the show. We found out Monday through media sources that the Justice Inspector General is going to issue a separate report on the FBI leaks to the Trump campaign in October and that Nunez was involved. Another reason to vote for Andrew Jans. We found out a few things over the course of this week and big, big ups

to Seth Abramson for tweeting all of this out for us in multiple threads check out his Twitter feed At Seth Abramson We learned that Giuliani was interviewed by the FBI a couple weeks ago And that is huge because he's been lying about having advanced knowledge of the weener laptop Saying that he was talking about when he was he was talking about a new ad campaign when he went on Fox in October and said He knew about the big October surprise. It was coming out. He's it for everyone exactly Yeah, he said he was talking about a new ad campaign when he went on Fox in October and said he knew about the big October surprise that was coming out and he's for everyone. Exactly. Yeah, he said he was talking about a new ad campaign.

And then he also walked back his comment that he'd spoken to current FBI agents as he stated in his Fox appearance because that would be a crime. The fact that he was interviewed by the FBI a few weeks back proves that he lied to cover up these leaks. And that's why he had changed the story. That's why he's been walking it back. The new report out this week says Giuliani told, it's not an IG report, it's just a news report.

It says that Giuliani told the FBI agents in his interview a couple of weeks ago that he was speculating that the New York field office agents were so pissed about Comey's decision not to charge Clinton, that they were going to revolt by leaking damaging information about her or resigning and we also learned Which is what we've been saying and we also learned that the name of one of the agents He spoke to his James Calstrom the former boss of true pundit True pundit is an online fake news peddler that first published the leaked intel But the Giuliani is not giving the name of the second agent, suggesting that the second agent is the active agent he mentioned in the Fox appearance because Calstrom is retired. It's also clear that Trump wasn't just

watching this unfold, but was offering active assistance to the rogue pro Trump FBI agents in getting their story to Devon Nunez. Prior to the election, with the help of none other than Joe DeGeneva. Do you guys remember this guy? A weird lawyer guy? Yeah, that name is tough for you. Yeah. DeGeneva made a public offer that he would represent any FBI agent that would testify against Komi for not inditing Hillary. And he's believed to be the intermediary between pro-Trump FBI agents in the new site, the Daily Caller, because they reported some agents were pissed that Komi didn't endite Hillary. And they reported that the day after DeGenerna made his offer to represent the agents, coincidence?

Not to mention it was reported by the Daily Caller that DeGenerna said more FBI agents would be coming forward about Clinton. And in an October 28 interview, DeGeneres said, quote, the agents came to me, excuse me, the agents came to Comey yesterday, which was October 27th, and told him about the new evidence. And Comey said, oh shit. And he knew the agents who were running the Weener case would leak it. Unquote.

So that's October 27th. That's pretty much a couple of days ahead of when the Komi came out reopening the investigation. And they had had the laptop since late September, maybe early October. And we have proof of that because of the Komi and McCabe emails that came out. McCabe told Komi about it in, in at least about a month before. And apparently they were sitting on it to wait till the election was over. Because, and they were prioritizing the Russian investigation

apparently according to the IG report. And then on October 27th, Dejeuniv said that these agents came to Komi and said, we're gonna leak this shit. And so that happened. So this is why I feel so strongly about the fact that these FBI potential threats of pro-Trump rogue FBI agents right before Comey went and re-open sent his letter to Congress to reopen the Weiner laptop thing or open the Weiner laptop thing, reopen the Hillary investigation.

It was because if he didn't, they were gonna, and they would have been much less kind. Exactly. He would have been weirce. He was stuck between the rock and the hard place. We talk about it a lot. Yeah. So this, you know, this all backs up our assertion that Komi handing the election to Trump by reopening the Clinton investigation was at least partly caused by the threat of

leaks from these rogue agents in New York. And don't forget that Flynn amplified the true pundit leak and was likely involved. And as Scott Stedman told us last week, Eric Prince had his hands in this. He had advanced knowledge of the Weiner laptop. And that because he told Breitbart about it, there's a story, public, story about it. And Trump gave Calström, this is new, over a million dollars, I think $1.2 million during the campaign. So Trump's team may have conspired to leak this classified info

and pay these FBI agents to do so, which is what ultimately pushed Komi to spill the beans and reopen the investigation to get out ahead of it. Yeah. Okay. So yes, and you'll hear, we're gonna talk to Dan Fyfer from Potsayva America in an upcoming segment, and you'll hear him talk're gonna talk to Dan Fyfer from Potsayv America in an upcoming segment.

And you'll hear him talk about Komi a little bit. But I think that the Komi questions are actually gonna be in the full interview that we're gonna post as a bonus episode for patrons. So check that out. But yeah, he's basically saying, yeah, Komi probably handed the election to Trump and he's an ego maniacal guy. Like he's so up on himself, but he was in a tough spot. So, totally. Anyway, those are hot notes, so stick with us. We've got Dan Fiverr from Pots of America after the break.

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Oh yeah. With us today is Dan Fyfer. He's the co-host of Pod Save America and contributor to CNN. He's the former White House Director of Communications and Senior Advisor to President Obama. How are you doing, Dan? I'm great. Awesome. I'm so happy that you're here. I want to thank you for agreeing to appear on our pod. I have an inkling about how important you view podcasting as a political platform because I just chewed through your book last night. Oh great, thank you. And it's out now. It came out June 19th. It's called, yes, we still can still in parentheses.

Politics in the age of Obama, Twitter and Trump. And first i want to say it was an excellent book excellent read thank you i'm glad it makes me happy every time anyone said that most of the things i've written can they left the white house three years ago have been sub-to-to-to-native characters so this is this is a real work for me yeah it's got to be different from going going from tweets to a book but and i you're also really funny i noticed that you kind of use your footnotes like punchlines like little tweets here and there yeah this is actually an idea of my wife who I think who's a very good editor she works in the White House with Bay and communications as well and she read

the first chapter I wrote and thought I needed to punch it up so she came up with the footnote idea which I very much enjoy because it was sort of like my it was like the of the English. I very much enjoy it because it was sort of like my, it was like the devil, all my shoulder to get to the things. It was sort of like the voice that didn't fit in the book part. It could be like a little snarky or a little fun air. So it was good for me at least. I hope you enjoyed it. I did. I really liked it. I've never seen him use like that before. So kudos to your wife, Haveli, right? Yeah. Yeah. She sounds

really amazing the way you describe her in the book. So I wanted to touch on a couple of things. First of all, I want to, I'd it's important to note that the proceeds of pre-sales go to Swing Left, which is a grassroots network in swing districts to flip Congress. And we want to thank you for doing that. Muller, she wrote, also, donates to similar causes

because of something you touch on in your book which which is that crooked media and podcasting are actually formidable weapons in the battle against fox news and you say quote come for the witty banter stay for the activism so i was wondering if you could tell me a little bit about that philosophy sure so what it was something i arrived at this in the book it in over the course of time the media landscape changed dramatically you know like we twitter came with the debate faith book reaches to be point became a source of

news for people uh... the iphone was invented all these things in the book about the presidency but one thing that we didn't really appreciate as it was happening was the right wing was building up these aggressive digital first media outlets which were really really function as you know sort of adjuncts of the Republican National Committee or but they're really propaganda organs and what they were doing was end-running

the mainstream media and sort of gigging Facebook the Facebook algorithm to create this content that went viral all the time and was shaping the conversation on social media and in politics in ways that were deeply damaging to democrats we felt that starting to go to the white off in 2014 and it was a real crisis in 2016 and so of all the things you keep the up at night about power-publicans can keep us from winning some coming elections co-brothers billions Russian hacking voter suppression laws the one that I think about a lot of the media benefit haven't so that's why we have project america that's why my

co-host john love it java her entire teacher started a media company to build on this is why we need more project america's more muller she wrote more ways for democrat because you basically we have right we proper ganda down the middle objective news and there's not a lot on the left that isn't more ways for democrat because you basically we have right-wing propaganda down the middle objective news and there's not a lot on the left that isn't just

that is trying it is trying to channel in audience and activism into explain what's happening and tell them what they can do about that's what we try to do and that's why uh... i think we need like a thousand flowers blue here and so i hope all we get a lot of really smart clever podcasts and other media entities, you know, like Mooreshie wrote out there who are

helping explain the unexplainable of the trucker. Well, thank you very much. I appreciate those kind words. And I remember that, speaking of Mueller a little bit here, I remember you wrote in your book that too much of political coverage now has become like a glorified sports coverage, like ESPN. And in this arena of information, fatigue, and immediate gratification, what do you make of the Mueller investigation and those that wish he would hurry it along because it's

been a year and then what not? What are your thoughts on that? I think the people who wish, the people wanted to hurry along for two reasons there are those of us like myself who would like to see justice and don't probably believe to be crimes of many sorts that were committed like to see that done sooner rather later and then you have the people like really jimmy out of rush uh... right i was called president from brushland ball so much different

you know what uh... the president of russian law uh... right i was called president for brushland law so what's the difference you know what uh... the president of russian law uh... who wanted who want to political pressure to end before they find so we would democrats want to find something as soon as possible republicans want one of the end of the spot

so that he doesn't before he finds anything and what i think it's interesting about the press coverage of it is it is Russia all the time. We are operating on the crazy things Rudy Giuliani says late at night on Fox. Real quality serious reporting from mainstream news outlets, you know, grand jury witnesses or targets who walk out and talk to the president what they heard trump's warriors would be like cibs

and there's all this news and i can't fault the press recovery the story i can't even if it even if we are what were we sort of lost the far for the trees or even for the leaves and by if trump campaign

colluded with the russian to election, it is the greatest political scandal, and certainly American history and maybe world history, and so it should be covered. The thing that I try to urge Democrats to do is pay attention to it, be prepared to have conversations for it, but recognize that it may not be the only, but we may, when we also talk about other issues, we're going to win the election. So people sort of have to, like, take it in, but don't get consumed about it. And don't think that Bob Mueller is going to solve our problem before November of 2018. If we want to change Congress, we're going to have to do it.

We can't rely on something. We can't wait on Bob Mueller to do it. Yeah. Can career 100 percent. I've been pushing that pretty hard on the pod even even people who are super steeped in the muller investigation that the best i can tell them is that you're not going to get a re-opening of the muller investigation in the house intelligence committee unless we flip congress and that doesn't start till next january so

that's right and we don't know what other right that's the other thing that's like we have all the coverage like thousands of reporters working twenty four hours a day to dig it up one gazillion tweets written about that and then they then bob Mueller just does something and we had no clue and so that's the only we have to all have you have to do a great time with all of this is we have to we should all have humility about what's happening because we just have no idea because bob motor on the pitch it and so the things we know are usually coming from the

perspective of the people who are on the other side of the table from bob motor and so there is there is a sort of humility to it that's important is the more our kid have you know all the good you know it that was also was also interesting that michael kumman thing which and everyone talked about but is that muller was digging into this stuff months before it all filled out with michael avanati put out the financial documents and so

but he even like the we were all obsessed with the with the coen story and you know may or whatever that was but but muller was digging into it in November so that is the other part of the fifth important to remember yeah and as we go through i mean my entire podcast is dedicated to the to muller news and the muller investigation and and it's it's something that's at the forefront of of everything we talk about is that what we talk about is point

zero zero one percent of what is going on uh... and we're always like you said, four to six months late on news that's happening in the Mueller investigation. So, yeah, I think patience is a virtue. And I know you're not, I believe you mentioned in the book that you are not a politics predictor, but you did mention that some of the traits you say are next successful Democratic candidate will need is it needs to be somebody who's funny someone confident someone who's not afraid to lose

and someone who knows how to use twitter may you who who fits that bill is there anyone out there now that fits that bill i'm not asking you to pick one person but just maybe a handful of people that you think would be the best fit for those i mean well let me first think that this way saying based on what i can tell i don't know no one is told me to run for president no one is told me they're not running for president so i'm using all of this on

rumor mill and things are read in the paper and it seems like a hundred democrats are going to run i think that's great i think we should everyone should run i think we should have a seven-tier debate stage where we have all these candidates. I think that's good because our party needs to figure a lot of things out. And the best way to figure these things out is a big debate, a debate on message, a debate on strategy, and a debate on policy issues. Right? And it would be a misalign. I don't think political pundits or establishment types or pro-casters like should like lay hand on one person and say, we've done the analysis and this is the person best fit to be dropped because we've done

that in the past and that has never worked. So like the voters are smart in the rest of this. I think there are, it is impossible yet to know who the best candidates because they haven't started running. And I think there are really interesting candidates of who would really big names and much less or no people who you know make a lot there make their case like

comaheir's is my home state senator i see her life is very impressive the ball patrick who may not run but he was the government to choose it we work very closely with him the obama white house i think he's a superstar uh... who we can castrow who is our head secretary is great here's in july brand was with warren Bernie Sanders my old friend uh... joe biden like everyone bring something to put the table what is interesting is no one's going to be great at all the things i lay out

and we're not going to really know which of those will be of the most value until the race starts running for a was told people back in two thousand and five after john kerry well lost every conventional wisdom democrats obliya was one thought here the best way to win the presidency is we need to a lot we need to nominate a white

male we didn't really contemplate what other than a white male, frankly, with a description of Hillary Clinton. It was just like that. It was like a moderate Democrat from a red state. You know, something you could win moderate. You could get those swing voters. And so I went to work for Evan By, who was a moderate senator from Indiana, former governor, Mark Warner. The now senator was then very popular governor Virginia was really hallowed everyone's list and so that that was a thing was like how can I how can we find a democratic governor for a red or democrat for a red state and then two

years later we nominated Brock who's say no bomb from the south side of Chicago who was running as an Iraq war opponent who was incredibly liberal who then went on to win a large percentage of the vote of any democrats and johnson and so it was uh... so in that they like we just don't you know i view elections as a as a mat as a the marriage between the person in the moment yeah and you don't know we don't know what the moment is yet rockabam was the perfect candidate for his moment because people were looking more cynical after the bush years are looking to be

inspired and they're anger up the rock war so here you have and they're angry at Washington so rockabam was her outside of Washington he was the it opponent Iraq war and he was inspirational and so he was the perfect person for that moment we don't just know like if we take the house democrats will think about the election one way if we lose the house

and we don't take the house will think about it in a different way if uh... if trump fires more we may think about it one way and trump doesn't fire mother in the election so proceeding on anything that is a way so i think the big thing is is we should just like let the market play it out in about the market and mean the voters and people you'll see like one people for show up in high lane and have sure and that is up your mind and making their case

then uh... we really know what their child so you can't really get great sense from even their appearance of some parts of america that's a good clue but it's a thing you have to get well you i need to talk about that to about how you got the job for obama you were on by's campaign and and it was just kind of like what who and then bam you went over there so it's interesting yeah i was ready i was ready to quit all the text of the preclosed by was going to run

uh... i was a work for him i like him a lot of the very good person very very good person i think he wanted to do the job for the right reasons i wasn't i was much more liberal that he was uh... and it wasn't a perfect fit for me but i was loyal to him to be able to meet and then he decided not to run at the last minute and i was sort of just like and i am sick of politics i just i've been in politics for 10 years at that point, and we had lost everything.

And it didn't feel, I didn't feel, I felt like I'd joined at the wrong decade, right? And I thought, just like all the conventional strategies that I've been drummed into my head by everyone every 10 years, it's like weren't working and they were inspirational. And by sort of a fluke i got a chance to meet brock obama right

is he thinking about my for president and walk into a meeting with him for an hour's essentially a job interview i was kind of skeptical i i was very impressed with them based on what i knew but never met him before and uh... and just you know that you know that they like don't meet your heroes that's like very true of the politician sometimes where there's not as great as they may seem and then and that obama

and i want to know that it's around eleven i walked out before noon uh... within new job without any count into my exact title was what my salary was going to be or what i was going to move the shakka so it was that's what i felt that's move the chicago so it was uh... that's what i thought that i don't know but what i think what if you all will that quote that you have in your book that thingy said to you uh... i wanted to go to work by one to get a time machine go back to work the guy

uh... what did he say put your have you ever had a chance to put your shoulder against the wheel of history and push or something yet and that was what is not meeting was he in that meeting like he's a long shot presidential candidate right he been in the senate less than two years at this point uh... running at the req and john ebler to eat who now is a sort of figure of

infamy notoriety in our politics but the time with the very charismatic very talented former vice presidential nominee who was seen as perhaps the most electable of all the democratic candidates and and so it was sort of a work and i had met with a bunch of personal candidates are my wife which will try to run for office and all of them try to give it to work for them by telling you how they're going to wait you know you start even in the face of poll numbers that would suggest otherwise

like here's our strategy we have these endorsements coming you know armed we did this poll that shows this and at no point in my meeting with obama did he ever try to it can be that he was going to win her tell me how he just like me a lot he wanted to run it what you want to do if you want and i was so you need to make bad uh... maybe i'm a sucker, but I fell for it. I did too.

I think, I was really touched by Obama's optimism in some of the quotes in your book. I think in his last interview as president was with Potsayev. And he said it was really, he was very optimistic. He was talking about his thoughts about his long term legacy with the the young people and and i was wondering if you talk about that for a minute how that felt yeah he uh... uh...

of all the is my nature hopeful person and then everything to the door everything through the dark it from the campaign or the white house where we have like we've lost a proimary election or we got our ass kicked to a certain midterms or something we cared about got over term of the supreme court we lost in congress and he would always be the most hopeful then and you know people forget that his very famous yes we can't see each

didn't happen after you won an election and happen after we walk shockingly lost the new hamster primary Hillary Clinton so that was like his most optimistic feet of what it's most famous for, he's after a loss. And I never really understood, like, that was just like, he's an internal optimist, but I also think he sometimes carried the burden of being a hope guy, and so he wanted to be hopeful, but he, he, he always looked at this over the long arc of history. And both in that interview and then in a meeting, in counter he and I had, after the

election, he said, he thought about this as, if you could find a silver lining in this very dark cloud, it is that we will be able to finally show, in true contrast, American people, two very different visions it's becoming upon all of us obama ourselves politicians piecasters everyone to make sure people see that difference but what he also says is that it's not

i'm sure obama does not like it when trump undue his executive orders or tries to get the poor one carats like he revert our city thinks he thinks are important that is terrible but he will be happy in pratt it was a predatory did but if he can look back in c a generation of young people who first got into politics because of him

who then went stayed with it and ran for mayor ran for city council ran for congress ran for president that'll be something and you know that farewell speech a game at your cargo back in june rift by seventeen he gave us the road map to how to do this right it's run for office everywhere organized always uh... not going to be more make every phone call and that's that's how you do it and like my book is hopeful because

i spent eight years of my life hanging out with most hopeful guy now and and i think i just i refer to it as conditional hope it's not inevitable that it's getting it better that is for sure if we don't do the work the the hardcore organizing the registering the voting that we're going to be in this

that's for a very long time and they go on to have a lot of but if we do the work all the tools are there for in america in a politics of more like a little bit of rock bottom of talk about the one that's not tells us about now i think that's why we do what we do exactly right

now of course it wouldn't be muller she wrote if we didn't ask you for your pics for our fantasy indictment lead uh... basically you can draft three people who you think are next to be indicted whether they cooperate or not Okay, who would your three picks be Roger stone Don junior who interesting Don Jr. Oh, interesting.

I just don't know, Don Jr. And Michael Cohen, Michael Cohen has been a dead idiot, right? Yeah, he's not been indicted yet. I think you're... Yeah, so yeah, Michael Cohen is number one pick. I just said it's number two. And Don Jr. is like my... My March man is a long shot pick, right?

You know, it took like bowling green to go to the title four. That's not... That's not a year if you wish full pick yeah that by yeah but with all those uh... Jose grinda conversations we got sent to us from spain who knows it could happen sooner than later

no very it's crossing well great pics and uh... there you have it with dan fight for former senior adviser to president obama and co-hosted pod save america his new book is out now called yes we still can politics in the age of obama twitter and trump dan thank you so much for joining us today uh... thank you this was a absolute blast uh... love what you guys are doing

and we will encourage all the plant in american was to download your podcast oh thank you so much we'll talk soon all right what what All right. What a what a awesome guy. What a cool interview? What a great podcast. And he had so many nice things to say about us. And I can't say enough nice stuff about about them too. It was just I geeked out talking to him. It's like he was a senior advisor to Obama. He saw the guy every day. Incredible. I know. And we're talking about this before too. They're so funny. Yeah, they're they could easily Yeah, they're comedians for sure. Yeah, but yeah, they're not but they but they are they're hilarious

So we were talking we were saying they're funny. They're some comedians that we know Definitely so and humor is essential. I think Komi talks about in his book about Obama having a sense of humor And you have to have confidence to have a sense of humor and be able to laugh at yourself And I think that those are the kind of people that Obama would want to surround himself with. So it just makes sense that they're hilarious. Absolutely. Yeah.

On point, funny, quick, smart, awesome. Yep. All right, guys. You ready for sabotage? Oh, yeah. All right, so this week's sabotage is normally our sabotage as a late breaking story that might interrupt our fantasy indictment league picks, but I wanted to talk about a different kind of sabotage this week and how being a Trump staffer in DC might sabotage your chances of having people touch your wiener. There were a lot of stories that came out this week about sad. This is what deserves a

womp womp. Exactly. This is an appropriate womp womp situation. This is where sad trombone goes. This is where Sad Trombone goes, because all of the Trump staffers, young Trump staffers in DC are sad face because no one will date them. Everyone hates them. And we've seen this kind of all over the news, like, Kristen Nielson went to a restaurant, Sarah Sanders went to a restaurant the other day, got told she wasn't going to be able to be served and she tweeted out about it and it's like, well, you know, if we can't make cake for gay people, I'm not going to serve a burrito to a racist.

It's called a protest. And like, that's me. Hey, we don't serve Trump supporters here. We're allowed to do that. So yeah, they cast the first down, I think. But I'm not a racist. I'm just simply a material for which racism blows. I'm never medical for racism.

Have you ever got heard of racist, call themselves or racist? No, we've talked about that. I don't think I've ever watched W. Camel Bell talk to KKK members who called him a mongrel and then said, I'm not a racist though. And it's like, well what is? What is a racist? If you're not it. So yeah, no one, it's like people who think they have a sense of humor. Yeah, exactly. You don't all It's like that lawn physics where you can't ever like you can't observe Technically a particle because it'll always be like bouncing around when you actually maybe that's too meta Racist. Oh really?

It's not like a good idea when I'm like you can't observe you can't observe it, though, when you're doing it yourself. It's too close, basically. It's like you lack the perspective that you need. It's like Schrodinger. Yes. No, it's very cool that you bring up STEM because science technology, engineering math, because next week, spoiler, we got somebody from Rogue NASA.

It's gonna come on. Oh, snap. And give their indictment picks and talk about space force Rogue NASA. It's gonna come on now and give our all right give their indictment picks Yeah, space force and stuff. That's amazing. I'm very excited about that. Yes, you don't follow Rogue NASA. You need to and who are they exactly again? They are I can't tell you or yeah, I guess you should just what are their Twitter? What's their jam? They're well, you know like all the alt federal employee accounts. I am an alt federal employee. We? Well, you know, like all the Alt Federal employee accounts. I am an Alt Federal employee. We've got Alt, you know, basically staffers in Trump cabinets that hate Trump. Nice.

Yeah, so they're rogue NASA. That should be its own segment. Staffers in Trump's cabinet that hate Trump. Yeah, that'd be amazing. Yeah, who knows. But yeah, I feel like we just bring them on for the Fantasy and Di'tmeat League Celebrity Edition. And we'll go from there.

I don't know, I'm just excited. So thank you for bringing up STEM. But yeah, these staffers are not going to bone town. The ones that like Trump, you know, they should be on Tinder and be like, I work for Trump, but I hate him. They'd have a better chance. You're not going to have a good time in DC, um, at all, if you work for Trump. Just like, regardless, even if you're like, like them drumming everybody out of

restaurants and protested just somebody went to Kiersten Nielsen's house and blasted, um, the sound that, um, pro public got from inside the, um, the tender age shelters. Yeah, so gross. At yeah, DC is, I think 95% voted for Hillary, like it's massively democratic. What if they're like, I'm the leaker though. Will you fuck me now? Oh dang, I'm the mole.

Yeah. See, that would be my tender account. Only in that case, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Love Trump. Or do I? Yeah. You're gonna hate fuck the mole.

Oh, great. We want some new show for ABC. You ready? Hmm. I'm excited. All right, you guys. We are going on to our next segment. It's this week we're calling this segment, Flip It Blue.

This is where we feature some of our most awesome contenders for, you know, Democrats, progressive candidates running against Republicans to flip Congress and flip the Senate. And this is one of my favorites because this guy is running against new NES. And so I'm really excited. Jordan got the interview and it, against newness. And so I'm really excited. Jordan got the interview and it, I think you're going to love it. And we were talking a little earlier too. And I know that Dan Fyfe brought it up. And we talked about it because it probes the proceeds for the pre-sale of his book, go toward swing left. And that's, you check them out on Twitter at swing left. That is those highlighted districts where Democrats have a chance to flip

and they can focus on that. So we're also gonna send some of our proceeds to if you become a patron and we send you our thank you gifts and stuff like that. Some of your money is going to go to SwingLeft as well. So. Yeah. Yeah, their website is great too.

They show all of the districts, they highlight them who the incumbent is and you can direct links to Donate and work on the ground. It's a really cool. Yeah, because this this election Congress is going to be flipped on the ground grass roots. It has to be So yeah, we want to talk to candidates running against Republicans to help get the word out We want to amplify the blue wave in November and And so let's uh let's take a listen. Hello. Hello is this Andrew? Yes. Hi Andrew this is Jordan giving you a call from Muller Sheerup Podcast. Thank you so much for being here today.

Hey, Jordan, thanks for having me on. Hey, of course. We know you're in San Diego visiting the border and going to different actions and checking out. You know, it's going on out of the horrible news that's been happening this week. So we're very appreciative for you being here in our hometown.

And we hope your trip's going OK. If we could just a couple minutes of your time we'd love to showcase you to our listeners that I undoubtedly know are going to be full supporters of you. So listeners just so you know today we're joined by Democrat Andrew Jans. He's congressional candidate in California's 22nd district in the central valley running against one of the most despised people that we cover here at muller she wrote devin newness and you're thank you so much again for being here today. I just like to start out you're a pretty impressive guy like to start off just by giving you the floor to give us a quick background about yourself and why you're choosing to run in 2018. Sure, thanks for having me on again, Jordan. You know, I grew up in this district that Devonunoz represents. And so your listeners are aware that the district basically is Central California Farm Country, the two major cities in the area are Fresno and Bicellia. And Devonunoz has been elected and reelected

over the course of the last 15 or so years and he's been reelected comfortably. And so when I saw last year what he was doing on the House Intelligence Committee, a committee that has never been politicized really in the history of its existence. I stepped forward. I am a local prosecutor. My last assignment was with the Violent Crimes Unit.

And the prosecutors that work in my office, and I know prosecutors all across the country, people like Robert Mueller, we really value ethics and following the law. And so when I saw what Devon Nunes was doing on the committee working to undermine the people or investigation, I said enough is enough. So I step forward. Well, that's music to our ears knowing that that was one of your biggest motivations to run. We cannot believe how politicized it's gotten and it's really scary. So we need people like you and we're so happy that you're running. I want to ask some questions about your district specifically. What are the biggest challenges

that your constituents are facing right now in 2018? You know, those events that live in the Central Valley really feel like we've been left behind by the rest of the state and by the rest of the nation. Politicians drive through the Central Valley, it stops, but they go on to Sacramento and San Francisco or LA and really forget about us. And so one of the things that I've been talking about is the need for federal investment in local infrastructure. And this is everything from transportation, to water, to education.

And water is front and center for the people that live in the Central Valley. In the Central Valley and we have issues with contaminated water. We have issues with our farmers getting the necessary amount of water that they need to continue to grow the food that we use to feed basically the rest of the nation. And so we really take great pride in the fact that we're an agricultural region. And this is something that I've been championing on the campaign trail. Yeah, we know California does, it's a desert and we just got, we're not through the drought by any means. And I think people that live in the city like ourselves, we don't see the

effects of it that you're constituent, see being in the Central Valley. So I'm only, I can only imagine that is a huge issue for them. I wanted to address, so you just recently had your primary, you made it through, congratulations. Nunez. Thank you. Yeah, of course, I'd imagine that was a crazy race. Nunez, from the numbers that we looked at,

locked in about 58% of the vote, and it looks like you received about 32% in the primary. How's your campaign planning on closing that gap? Well, I think it's important to know that if you compare, Newtons is numbers this time around to the last midterm election of 2014. He's down anywhere, depending on what numbers you look at between 10 and 15 points from the last performance. So we think that we've really put a dent into his base locally, but we know and understand that we have still a lot of work to do.

And we expect that the voter turnout in November is going to be significantly higher. The voting population is going to be younger in more diverse. 44, 46% of the district is Latino, but they only make up around 15% or 20% of the voting electorate given the election cycle. So we're going to be in these communities talking to folks. What we're seeing going on down here at the border, I think is going to help to energize a lot of families

in the Central Valley that don't agree with what the trump administration is doing they can't stand the fact that devan unes uh... stands closer to trump and any other politician in washington so we're going to work very hard to make sure that voters are educated and motivated to go to the polls well that's amazing that you're already seeing a closing of that gap and the support for your campaign, it's flowing in from all around the country. I know you're getting donations from all around and that is so happy.

That is such a happy thing for us to hear. We're so happy that people are supporting you like that because this is such an incredibly important race, just like you said. Nunez is a friend of Trump's and arguably Russia and he's a threat to our national security. So very happy that you know, I live in this district all my life and I have never seen the type of energy and excitement that we're seeing here on the ground. It's stuff that we're seeing all across the country in places like Alabama and Pennsylvania

and Conor Lambs race. We're seeing it here too in the Central Valley and the outpouring of support from all over the country really helps our cause. It helps because people understand and realize that this race has national implications and that people outside the boundaries of our district really are depending upon us to do the right thing and to send Devon to us home.

Absolutely, that is 100% what we are hoping for. Do you think that the constituents in your district and maybe even you know some of the Republican ones are ready for a change in 2018? I think so. You know I work in the law enforcement agency as a prosecutor and I can tell you that because I do work in a law enforcement agency, a lot of the folks that work there would classify themselves as conservative. But many of them don't agree with what the Trump administration is doing. They don't understand why he's really working to undermine the Russian investigation, undermining and trying to be legitimized law enforcement, federal law enforcement in particular.

And they don't agree with where Trump is taking the party. One of the things that's gonna hurt the most in our district are these tariffs that other countries are gonna impose upon the crops and produce that we grow here in the central valley like all men uh... in the stash you know is uh... grapes and raisins and things like that you know india just uh... announced a new terrif against the uh... some of our farmers this past week

and that's very concerning to a lot of uh... growers who are you know traditionally republican voters so i've made it uh... a point to go out into these communities that democrat traditionally don't uh... don't uh... don't talk to and so i think that we've made the inroads you know i'm not going to win all republicans but you know we're going to win some the ones that understand that uh... the trump isn't good for our local economy absolutely yeah not only on a national level like you said on a local level he's

not good uh... i wanted, like you said, on a local level. He's not good. I wanted to, as you know, we are a Mueller investigation center podcast. So I want to know from your perspective, how important do you think the special counsel's investigation is to you and your constituents? You know, this is going to be one of the most important investigations ever conducted in our nation's history. In 2016, we know that the Russians attempted to meddle in our elections. A number of federal agencies and their heads, by the way, who are Republicans, have said as much.

And so we need to figure out exactly what happened, what exactly did the Russians do, and what Americans these Russians work with and if the Russians work with any of these Americans Then they must be prosecuted. They must be brought in front of a judge They must be pride and they should be sentenced. It's convicted and so we need to make sure that this investigation is Completed and it's protected and we need to stop the Trump administration we need to stop people like devonunas from trying to de-legitimize this process Robert Mueller as a respected individual prosecutors from all across the country republicans

democrats included i have praised his career in his performance as somebody that served our country i think that it's utterly disgraceful for someone like Devon Unis to try to drag his name through the mud in an attempt to score political points. So I'm going to work very hard to make sure that we have a White House and an executive branch

that's accountable. The only way that we can do that is to win back, control the House of Representatives, and gain subpoena power back, especially within this committee, the House Intelligence Committee. Absolutely. We love to hear you not trying away from what a big deal is investigation. And sometimes I feel like we talk to people and they want to maybe stay away from it since it's, I suppose it's polarizing. We don't really see how it's polarizing.

It seems pretty cut and dry, but it's absolutely not okay. And like you said, it's a precedent-setting investigation for our country. So we're incredibly happy to support you and know that that is as big of an issue to you as it is to us and so many Americans. On the top of a go-poon, if I may ask, I was doing some research into you and I heard about a billboard that you had, and give what you might tell our on our listeners and i think they would love it you know it was funny that uh... you know in this election cycle there are hundreds of candidates running all

across the country and i have a wonderful opportunity to meet many of them over the course of the last uh... year or so and uh... one of the things that that many campaigns struggle to do is really get attention for their race. You know, the unfortunate reality of modern day politics is that you have to raise money to compete with, especially someone like Devon Nunes who has close to $5 million in his bank account. And so we try many different tactics to sort of gain national attention and so we can solicit support from donors from outside of our region.

And what we did was we put up a billboard of Vladimir Putin holding Donald Trump and Devonunas on a child leash with Devonunz with a nice cream cone and Donald Trump crying. And it went viral. Well, it was during the time where the news was breaking out of the light. Someone leaked out of the way out that Donald Trump prefers two scoops of ice cream and so we wanted to sort of play off of that Yeah, but you know what that you know, we gain national attention just from a you know 150 dollar billboard and It's sort of a nonstop from there. Yeah, sounds like it was a good investment and I think people appreciate

the Simultaneously tongue-in-cheek and think people appreciate uh... the simultaneously tongue in cheek and satirical element of it so i think that was a smart move on your part especially with people that are younger to i think that's going to appeal to a lot of voters that may not have otherwise felt compelled to you know direct their attention yeah and you're here's the other thing you know there are a lot there are a lot people in a lot of political pundits across the country saying things like you know democrats should be attacking trump they should try to

you know be doing their own message but you know at the same time uh... you know we can't we got to hold the president accountable and as a prosecutor uh... and with my track record i'm not afraid to do that you know i i prosecute some really bad people gang members uh... people that really seek to do our community harm and so i think that it's part of my obligation of the candidate running for congress

to really uh... hold the president accountable because that's the job i'm applying for the house of representatives in congresses a whole is supposed to be a check on the executive branch or congresses and doing it today absolutely that i'd be out we cannot say enough enough how much, how ideal of a candidate you are for our current political climate and what's happening right now with this investigation.

I wanted to ask you, I know you don't have much time in your busy, thank you so much for the time you've given us. I just wanted to ask you one more question. It's regarding Mueller's approval ratings. I don't know if you saw, I'm sure you did. It looks as though in some respects maybe support for this investigation is waning. And what do you think that's because of? Do you think we're having fatigue just as a country over it? How do you think we can

keep the energy up so we can continue to prosecute, you know, support this investigation like it needs to be supported well the couple of things there you know the the consistent drumbeat from the White House Rudy Giuliani and the others that worked around the president the president included they've worked from day one to deal to minimize this investigation you have to ask yourself why you know I mean the you know the prosecutor you know we're trying not to take into account sort of the political back and forth of every day, you know, Washington, left versus right, that sort of thing, and just really work to get and gather the evidence necessary to prosecute a crime that was committed. And, you know, with that being said, I mean, this is going

to be one of the most important investigations in our country history and so former Mueller has to get it right and I understand that the American people are becoming impatient with this investigation but you know the Mueller investigation, the Mueller team, they can't, they can't, you know, they can't take shortcuts here and so they got to do the job that they have to do. And then here's the other component. Given what happens out of this investigation, the House of Representatives is gonna have an opportunity to hold the White House and the Donald Trump campaign.

And maybe perhaps Donald Trump himself accountable. If it turns out that there is evidence that supports the Trump campaign working with with the Russians leading up to 2016. And so, you know, the calculation there is to de-legitimize this investigation in the eyes of the public. So there is a public support and support for members of Congress to cast a vote for impeachment. And so there's a couple of things going on here.

The best thing that we can do is to be patient but at the same time we got to push back and all the stuff that the Donald Trump administration is viewing out every single day you know we have Sarah how can you stand standards. The White House press secretary lying to the American people day after day. So I just encourage the national media and folks that are paying attention to what's going on Washington to keep. media and folks that are paying attention to what's going on in Washington to keep doing what they're doing. The Trump administration is going to continue to say that they're fake news, but they got to keep doing their jobs. The American people really depend upon it. Well, Andrew, we'd hope so badly that you win that seat, so you can be an advocate for all of us when you're in Congress. Thank you so much for being on our show today. Can't express enough how much we're rooting for you.

If you could just let our listeners our show today can express enough how much we're rooting for you if you could just uh... let our listeners know how they can follow your campaign and where they can get more involved yeah you can follow me on social media uh... twitter my best uh... the best place that you can follow me jans for congress and if you want to google me uh... my website should be the first thing that comes up but if it doesn't it's and your jans

for congress.com. All right. Well, listeners, you heard it here. Support Andrew. If you're able to donate, please do. If you're in that district, especially if you can get involved on the ground, I know it's going to be very grassroots. Andrew, thank you again so much for being in San Diego today and showing your support for undocumented families and bringing that back to your constituents. We wish you the best of luck and we hope to talk to you soon and we'll be following you. Thank you Jordan, thanks for having me on and keep up to good work when you're in. Thanks so much, have a great day. Take care. Bye.

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