Jack - Putin Tang (feat. Jill Wine-Banks, Maya Wiley, & Natasha Bertrand)

Episode Date: January 21, 2019

S3E3 - Joining us this week is Jill Wine-Banks, Maya Wiley, and Natasha Bertrand. Plus, Jaleesa has an update for us on Nastya Rybka, Jordan will be covering the Colludy Rudy interview on CNN, and AG's going to go over the Buzzfeed drama from later in the week. Enjoy! 

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So text AG to 30-30-30 now. So to be clear, Mr. Trump has no financial relationships with any Russian oligarchs. That's what he said. That's what I said. That's obviously what our position is. I'm not aware of any of those activities. I have been called a surrogate at a time or two in that campaign, and I didn't have, not have communications with the Russians.

What do I have to get involved with, Putin, for having nothing to do with Putin? I've never spoken to him. I don't know anything about a mother than he will respect me. Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. So, it is political. You're a communist!

No, Mr. Green. Communism is just a red herring. Like all members of the oldest profession I'm a capitalist. Hello and welcome to Muller She Wrote. I'm your host A.G. with me as always as Julie Sojonson. Hello and Jordan Coburn. Hello. with me as always, as Julie Sojonson. Hello. And Jordan Coburn. Hello. Well, this has been an interesting week.

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With this, all proceeds go to them. So we love you. And thanks for putting together that little bit of good will for us. We have a jam packed show, guys. Couple of corrections from last week. I mixed up woodward and Bernstein In the midweek episode sorry fellas. Nobody caught it not even me I was wondering if they were like co-writers or something and maybe Woodward just is a credit-huller Yeah, that would make sense

Woodward wrote the book Bernstein is is the other guy Carl they worked together They they did a lot together back in the old water gate times and have ever since Woodward wrote the book. Bernstein is the other guy Carl. They worked together. They did a lot together back in the old Watergate times and have ever since. So I mixed up my old white guys again. I do it a lot. Sorry, all guys look all the same.

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So my hot note is basically on nasty ripka. Yeah. And what's going down with her? Yeah. Update on sex coach,. Yeah. And what's going down with her? Yeah. Update on sex coach, for sure. Kind of terrifying update. And Jordan, you have Kalludi Rudy. Yeah.

Another installation of the Loub the Truth tour going on national television and saying some shit he said was the opposite of what he said. Well said. Loubied Giuliani. I'm going to about him today, gross. I'm going to go over the Buzzfeed drama from later in the week this week. We have a lot to get to today, so let's jump in with just the facts. All right, all the way back to Saturday night after we recorded, which seems like a decade ago, the Washington Post dropped a story

that Trump had gone to great lengths to conceal the content of his meetings with Putin, including confiscating notes from his American interpreter and telling that person not to reveal any of the meeting details to anyone, especially in his administration. He didn't want the grown-ups to know what he and Putin had talked about. If he destroyed those notes, that would be a violation of the Presidential Records Act. And as we know, Trump had an undocumented hour-long discussion with Putin at the G20 the day before he dictated the false statement about the Trump Tower meeting from June 2016 being about adoptions to Don Jr. Three was kid under the bus on that one too.

He's like, oh, I dictated it. He wrote it. And I dictated it. And he basically just implicated his kid in the obstruction of justice Some alleged that Putin dictated that response to the Trump family because he had that secret conversation with Putin the night before Melania was there and a Russian interpreter was there. Nobody has any idea what was said and only Trump Yeah, and Pudy Putin would be the expert on how to cover that up He would definitely have I could see how it would be his idea to tell them it's about

adoptions. I like the poody name. At least he'd think of poody tang. Poody tang? Yeah. Poot and tang. Okay, that's his name now. It's an orange drink that makes you murder people.

It makes you turn orange because Trump is drinking that. You drink it in the space force. Yeah. It's the Russian Kool-Aid. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh, the Kremlin Kool-Aid. There you go. Literation. Tang, Putin Tang, the Kremlin Kool-Aid. All right, you guys, Sunday night, Trump called into the Judge Janine Piro Show on Fox and failed to answer whether or not he was working

for Russia. And he tampered with a witness on live television by threatening Michael Cohen's father-in-law. In response, Cummings, Nader and Schiff, those are the three new chairs, Democratic chairs of some of the House oversight in Tel and Judiciary committees, and not some of them, those three committees. They wrote a letter to Justice calling him out for it, saying it's a blatant felony, perpetrated in plain sight. But the week just got worse for Trump from that day on, so we'll go over that.

Also Sunday night, Carl Bernstein, not Bob Woodward, told CNN he has a source that's seen the draft of the Mueller report and that it says Trump helped Putin destabilize the United States. Bernstein sources are pretty solid, so I take that as fact. And there were reports that Trump had been fuming in the White House saying he's been getting crushed. I'm crushed on the shutdown. I'm getting crushed. We're getting crushed. And Caluity Rudy even said that the Mueller report will be devastating. It's still being reported that Mueller will release his findings in late February. I don't know how the hell he's I had to write like one script this week and I couldn't even get it out in time. So I don't know how he's going to do this. I guess he's he's got, you know, 800 angry Democrats working for him.

Sure. That's right. Yeah. Angry Democrat. The Muller Terry. Trans. Nice. Angry transcribers. Um, let's see. Also Sunday, the Daily Beast reported that the Kremlin blessed Russians and our operations according to the United States, a United States Intelligence report. Jordan, what were some of the details of that story? You went over that in the midweek update. Yeah, pretty much we learned that back in 2015, Alexander Torshin, as far back as 2015,

he had in fact been briefing the Kremlin on his attempts to infiltrate the NRA. Previously, they tried to really separate themselves from that. People, even if you'll remember, tried calling a boutina a free agent sort of person that wasn't acting on behalf of the Kremlin. Well, we know she was acting on behalf of Torshin and Torshin was probably acting on behalf of the Kremlin. And that's pretty much the most consequential part of that is there was way more connections to

the Kremlin than they're like to say. Yeah, and I think the point of that is that the Kremlin wasn't necessarily hiring them and deploying them, but they were saying, here's what we're doing and the Cremlin's like very good. Right, and they also said, hey, Cremlin, you probably want to get in on this because in the event that a Republican wins the 2016 election, you're really going to want the influence

and a connection with their base, which the NRA encapsulates entirely. Mm-hmm. Yeah, and they were good with that too. Thank you. So let's see. Monday, we learned that Steve King, known racist, was condemned in a 424 to one vote in the House

for his comments when he asked why the term's white supremacy, white nationalism, and Western civilization had become offensive. When did those become offensive? Like a really long time ago, buddy. 424 to 1. And the one guy was like, it doesn't go far enough. I'm going to punch this guy in the face. Can we put something in here where I can punch him in the face too? Steve King also lost all his committee seats for those comments. And rightfully so, he should know better that it's

you know, it's okay to say you're a, like Trump did, but not a white nationalist. The white asylum. As I said in the midweek episode, we also learned Monday that Mueller had asked for a face-to-face follow-up after he received Trump's written interview answers. And the administration said no. For five weeks, Mueller tried to negotiate an interview until eventually Rudy said Trump will not be answering any more questions face- face or otherwise in the Mueller probe over my dead body. I might be dead, he said, but over my dead body.

So now, I wonder if he's sick. I don't know. It's weird. So now we wait to see if Mueller subpoena's him, basically, if he's going to write a report and not bother or if he's going to sub-supena up his butt. Subpoena butt stuff. Also, Monday, we learned that not only did Bill Barr send a memo to Justice, the Department of Justice, about the president being above the law pretty much,

but he also sent a memo to the White House as well. Of course, I put some super space beans on a theory that Barr and Mueller are super good friends and Barr wrote these memos to get the attorney general job so he could protect the Mueller investigation, but that's probably totally not true at all i call it justice porn so the william bar confirmation hearings took place this week

and joining us to discuss the hearings is former watergate prosecutor and nbc and msnbc contributor jill wine banks jill welcome to mola she wrote thank you very much i'm very happy to be with you very excited to talk to you uh... i've been a long time watching your uh... commentary for a long time and uh... we're very excited to have you and it seemed to me

uh... just off the top as i was watching the the hearings the confirmation hearings this week the bar seem to keep dancing around a commitment to release a full-froated muller report uh... joe what was your top line take away from the confirmation hearings this week? I completely agree with you. He had very, very good reasons, he said, for why he was taking the position he did. But there are very valid reasons why he should make a full report and make everything available.

Whatever that is, first of all, to the extent that he claimed that the rules and regulations fired him from doing it. He can change the rules and regulations that he's the attorney general because the attorney general sets those rules. So that's a very, very weak excuse for not releasing it. There will certainly be parts of it that I would agree our grand jury testimony that can't be released for one reason or another, but the conclusions can be. And I think there's a lot that can be learned,

but I also think, and I want to point out that I think that hearings in the house are absolutely essential and that's a way to get good public education and that's really critical people need to know the facts and the truth so that they can evaluate for themselves how they feel about what the president has done what the president knows when he knew it

was our important questions. Yeah, absolutely. And that's why it was so critical that the Dems got one back the House. And, you know, we were very, you know, breathed a huge sigh of relief, at least on our side when that, when we did, when we took the House back because of those hearings. And you brought up the grand jury and that once, that leads me to the next question here because in recent months the Jaworsky report of the grand jury findings in Watergate was unsealed or released to the public which set kind of a legal precedent or at least revealed what the legal precedent was that you know normally super secret grand jury findings don't make their way

anywhere outside of the grand jury room, but in this report they did make their way to the House Judiciary Committee. Now, do you know if the AG at the time during Watergate had to approve that report going forward to the judiciary or if the judge just decided to send it directly to the House? This was done on the authority of the grand jury on their inherent powers. Now, obviously, our team advised the grand jury of what they had the power to do and helped them to state the pieces of evidence that would make a compelling case. It did not include any conclusions of guilt. It simply pointed the way to a variety of activities that the House should investigate as part of their ongoing impeachment inquiry. And remember,

we had already had a Senate oversight hearing which had partly educated the public and made them ready to understand and believe what was in this report. And also the impeachment group had already started looking at the fact. So we had a ready audience for what we were doing. And I am sorry. Judge Sareka agreed with our proposal that it go to the House for their consideration as part of their impeachment hearings and the courts upheld it. And so they did get the information and were free to go ahead and call witnesses and

make certain things public. Because witnesses before the grand jury can talk outside the grand jury. It's just that the prosecutors can not talk about what they said, but they are free to say it. So if some other jurisdiction calls them in and says we'd like to hear what you said to the grand jury, those witnesses can identify that.

Okay, and in today's, you know, this investigation using that roadmap set out by Jaworski with the grand jury releasing not their conclusions, but their findings to the house, does that have to make a stop at the Attorney General's Office before it's permitted to go to the house or does it just go straight there. I think in the rules and regs that currently exist, it might have to because it would be a significant action that would be the kind that is defined as one that he might have to get he-muller would have to get approved. Okay. And that was kind of my big worry. Not worry, but one of the concerns that everyone just

should be aware that this will probably still have to make a stop in the AG's office before it's before it's too good. It is possible. I mean, I think there are ways that you could argue, and I haven't really researched this, but I'm sure that Mueller has, because at least one member of the Watergate team, not our trial team, but in the Watergate office, is working for Mueller. And I think that he would certainly be aware of, I mean, obviously the country is now aware of our road map. And I think that, remember, I said it's based on the inherent authority of the

grand jury who goes to the judge and says there is a reason to violate grand jury secrecy and to pass this on because of the public interest and the information. And in this particular case where there's an ongoing impeachment hearing, we have evidence that they should be aware of. And so I think there is a way that Mueller could say, I can't go to the judge, but you, the grand jury, if you feel that there is something that you want Congress to do, I can tell you that you have the power to go to him. And that could happen without going through the AG. Okay, that makes sense. That's good to um... thanks for clarifying that i'm not positive on that i mean i haven't researched it

to see if there is a illegal impediment but it's certainly something i would try yeah definitely agreed uh... finally last thing i wanted to ask you about we all know michael coen is going to be testifying publicly to congress february, and a lot of folks have been referring to him as the John Dean of Stupid Watergate.

And I don't know how I feel about that. I mean, technically Cohen is a lawyer, technically, and he will be publicly testifying to Congress about the President, but I think that's where the similarities end for me. And to borrow a phrase, I know John Dean and Cohen is no John Dean. And I was wondering, I was wondering, given your expertise on Watergate, Watergate 1, as a prosecutor, do you think Cohen is really the modern day, John Dean? I would have to agree with your assessment. I don't know Michael Cohen.

I do know John Dean. And John Dean was number one an extraordinary witness with an extraordinary memory and a desire to completely come forward. And so he was a unique and wonderful opportunity for us to get the truth out. And when he testified the first time before the Senate, there was no knowledge that there was a taping system. He had no knowledge about that at all. And testified completely truthfully. And then, of course, later found out that there were tapes.

And either those tapes were going to cooperate him or they were going to just totally destroy his credibility and as you know they completely corroborate when he said on my twenty first i said there was a cancer on the presidency we subpoenaed that tape insure enough that exactly what it said and every other tape that he talked about where he had a conversation with the president proved to be true. Yeah, I would think maybe, and I know Don McGann

hasn't testified publicly, I'd say he's closer to the John Dean, he's spent 30 hours with special counsel, and he is the White House counsel, which is different from a personal lawyer as far as what your job is, and so I think that might be a closer comparison than Cohen. Well, okay, I agree completely that Dom again would be a closer comparison because these were actions of the president and he was in the White House with the president whereas Michael Cohn wasn't. But some of the potential crimes committed by the president, now president, were committed

when Michael Cohn was his lawyer. But I don't think when people say he's the John Dean of this investigation, I don't think they're referring to the fact that there's a lawyer relationship. I think they're making the analogy that John Dean was a devastating witness against the president. He had facts, he had knowledge, he knew the ins and outs. And I think to some extent, Michael Cohen knows the ins and outs of some of the business wrong doing. I mean, we know the payoffs, there may be zoning violations, there may be a million other things that Michael Cone knows about. I think Waiselberg could be the John Dean in terms of dramatic evidence against the president.

We don't know who the John Dean, because when I say that, I mean who is the one who can really give us the information, the details that will be grounds for action that will prove a case to even the most loyal Trump supporters. Yeah, I agree 100% with exactly what you're saying. It's really the drama of what John Dean had to say. And we know who knows, right? We could have several John deans uh... in this in this investigation honestly in most trials that i've ever been involved in you don't have one witness

who goes from a john dean was unique in that and and even john dean wasn't enough i mean we at jambore grudor played a crucial role there were a lot of you know major witnesses that put the case together and of course in our case major witness was the president against himself as recorded by himself so that's an important distinction but a witness with dramatic evidence is what i call the john dean of this investigation

yeah that makes total sense i agree and uh... i think that you know going forward with what's going to be able to be released, I think because of the expertise that's in the Mueller team and Mueller already probably sorting all this out, all the possible conclusions, not that he's going to draw conclusions, but end game, end games that we'll get, I think we'll be able to get the information muller wants us to get in some way shape or form i think so and i think

also because the houses now in democratic hands and has to be in a power they have a way of getting the evidence to the public and it's so important that the public get the evidence if it's guilty or not guilty either way we all have a right to know and need to know. So that's my general feeling.

Yes, and I think that that's what Mueller's charged with is getting at the truth. And I think that we'll find that. So everybody rest easy. I know it's stressful waiting for the results to come out, but I think I think we can breathe and relax, get some sleep. Thank you so much for speaking with us today. You're welcome, but I want to add, I'm saying it's mulled responsibility, but it's all so congresses, and I don't just mean the Democratic House. I mean the Democratic and Republicans in the House and the Senate. Both of them are obligated to the public who elected them to make sure that the public is educated about this one way or the other so we can move on to do the right thing.

Yeah, absolutely. He's not he's not a white knight Mueller. He's going to give his findings. He's going to present his evidence. That's his job. He's a prosecutor. He's an investigator and it's going to be up to Congress the people Department of justice what we do with that information. We all have a part to play so I appreciate you coming on speaking with us today Your insights are invaluable. You are a national treasure Former water prosecutor No, no problem former watergate prosecutor MSNBC MSNBC contributor Jill wine. Jill, thanks so much for being on Muller Shee Road today. Thank you, AGI, I enjoyed it. All right, cool.

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I believe you referred to it as collusion and croissants. Yes, yes, yeah, you're right. Yep, exactly that. It was the name of the episode of our patron midweek episode. Collusion and croissant. Collusion and croissant. Yes. So Mueller has been looking into this meeting

because it contained a bunch of players that have kind of proven to be sketchy fucks really to put it lightly. But he's looking into this. It's all the drama that surrounding Trump's inaugural committee basically and how they may have misspent funds also looking into if the people that donated were trying to buy influence in the Trump administration and also if foreign actors use the fund to give money to Trump's inaugural fund through intermedia areas. So Devonunas was there, Michael Flynn was there, which we know is a person that's not in a good place, and a bunch of other foreign officials were there,

and it took place at Trump's DC hotel. So we'll see. I think criminals kind of hang out together, Michael Flynn's not in a good spot, and Devonunas just sucks all around, so. Well, hey, Michael Flynn, if you're looking for more cooperation, like the judge said that you better get in order to get like not a whole bunch of jail time, maybe this is something you could help them out with.

What was Nunes doing there? Is this why Nunes acts like a fucking dickhead? Is because he, you know. Yeah, and this meeting happened only a couple days before the inauguration itself, and then shortly after this meeting and the inauguration is when Nunes opened up that HIC investigation, that complete sham of an investigation. Oh yeah. Interesting.

A little squid pro-crow there. Is it like some beans with your croissant? I don't know, that was a weird accent. Also Monday, we learned that Trump has been floating the idea of backing out of NATO for the past year at least, which would be the ultimate Putin payoff. Leaving NATO would be disastrous, globally, and much like the plan to withdraw from Syria, we would be abandoning our allies. And I can't help but think if this were 1941, Trump would join the Axis and fight alongside the fascists. Yeah, I mean, that's what's happening right now, right? Like the new Axis.

Yeah, that's my biggest fear. Like, if we go into a war, we're not gonna be on the fascists. Yeah, I mean, that's what's happening right now, right? Like, that's my biggest fear is like, if we go into a war, we're not gonna be on the right side. And don't fuck with NATO, bro. Don't fuck with NATO, just listen to AG. Also, Scotus met this week to discuss whether or not they'd let the secret company from country A in the super secret subpoena battle where they shut down the courthouse

and nobody knows who it is. So, they were discussing whether or not they were going to let that company or from country a have their appeal on the merits argued under seal in secret There are no reports out yet about any decision they reached But if they deny the request the company would have to file a public merits appeal with scotas if they wanted to continue their appeal And we would all have to find out who they were. That could also be refused by SCOTUS. If they refused to hear that, then they're not going to hear the appeal at all and then the lower court's decision would stand, which of course went in favor of Mueller.

I'm 100% sure, no matter the outcome, Mueller will emerge victorious and the company will have to hand over their documents if they want to continue to do business in the United States. Apparently, this company, whoever it to continue to do business in the United States. Apparently, this company, whoever it is, does substantial business in the United States, so it's in their best interest to comply with the subpoena. As you know, I think the company from Country A is the Cutter Investment Authority, also known as the QIA because they have US offices that do significant business and the Mueller prosecutor working on the case worked on the Flynn piece and Flynn met with Cohen and an official

from the Qatar Investment Authority in Trump Tower and she's fluent in Arabic, the Mueller prosecutor who was working on the Flynn case. I could be totally wrong, but put some cautious beans on it, I guess, if you're a patron and you guessed the identity of the company from country A correctly in our closed Facebook group on the pinned announcement, you will get 10 points in the fantasy indictment. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. It's big. It is big because Trump is 20 points. So, 10's big. That's half a Trump. Half a Trump. It's a junior. No, junior's

with 20 points too. Oh that's right. That's more like a stone. Oh yeah. It's still big. Big beans, yeah. It's a big stone beans. A federal judge ruled Tuesday that Wilbur Ross misled Congress to the Trump administration and the Trump administration will not be allowed to include a question about citizenship on the 2020 census. That is a big win for voting rights and for federal funding. Julie, so you reported on this last week? Oh, yeah. It's basically that. They said you can't have this racist question. It's going to scare people away from participating in the senses. And that translates to a lack of funds in the communities if they decide not to fill out the senses.

So it seems like it's the administration's way of getting minorities to not represent themselves. And it's really fucked up. Yeah, because of thinking about it, if I were an undocumented immigrant or like a dreamer or if my parents were, I wouldn't want to answer that question and be like, Hey, here we are. This is our dress and here we live. Yeah, we don't trust you guys. It's cool. I'm sure it's fine. You didn't keep me in a database. It's totally cool. Right. Yeah, no. No, thank you. So we won. Yeah, then we learned that Mueller called Corsi's Stepson before his grand jury, based on text messages between the Stepson and Jerome Corsi

about scrubbing Corsi's computer, the one that sat on his desk. And Corsi alleges that he wanted his Stepson to scrub the computer so he could give it to his mom, though that's not mentioned in the texts as far as we know. The story comes from Corsi himself, so keep that in mind. And Corsi has refused to submit to Mueller's subpoena and rejected a plea deal, releasing his draft plea

agreement to the public from Mueller. And we call that going full nunberg. So if you remember, Nunberg made the rounds on television, saying he would never answer Mueller's subpoena until NBC legal analyst and professor of public and urban policy talked him off the ledge that day and convinced him to respond to the subpoena it would be in his best interest and that person was Maya Wiley and she's joining us today Maya welcome to mola she wrote thank you it's a pleasure to be here so how

in the world were you able to convince Sam Nandberg to change his mind? You know, that is an excellent question. I may be only Sam Nandberg can answer it. You know, in the moment of the discussion, I mean, first of all, there was no way of knowing what that discussion was going to be like. I certainly came on ready to simply provide the independent analysis along with Barbara about how a lawyer see this, why Mueller would subpoena, Sam Nunberg, it was just supposed to be straight legal commentary and sort of the independent neutral look. It just, I was so astounded by the things he was saying that it just took a turn

and I just started talking to him like I would talk to anybody because, you know, he mentioned his father and talked about his father, not agreeing and being worried for him. And I was't, you know, he mentioned his father and talked about his father, not agreeing and being worried for him. And I was like, of course, your father's worried for you because your father loves you. And why are you doing this to your dad? I mean, it was literally the mom and me was going, don't do this to your daddy. Just comply with the subpoena. And it was kind of the way it all happened. I mean, it was completely unplanned,

as was probably obvious. And at the time, you know, I had no idea of the impact. I really just wanted Sam to see how his reasoning was going to hurt him. That's all I wanted. I just wanted him to see like that statement he made about, it's going to take me 80 hours to go through all I wanted. I just wanted him to see like that statement he made about, it's going to take me 80 hours to go through all these emails. And I was like, right, 80 hours versus jail time, which will not be 80 hours. Right, because I think that you had brought up, I think that you had brought up that this has happened or either barbed it, that this had happened to someone in Watergate who refused the subpoena and ended up sitting in jail, I think for 18 months or something. Yeah, yeah, and that was Barbara and, you know, she was absolutely right and he just wasn't

hearing it. He was not thinking straight to be quite blunt. I mean, because he was being very emotional, he was being very protective of Roger Stone, he expressed his fear for Roger Stone. And you could just see that he was not thinking through, that he was being emotional,, you know, he just, it was just very hard to sit there and not just say, dude, listen to yourself.

Yeah, and you could kind of see the come to Jesus moment when it hit his face. I can't remember exactly what it was, but it seemed like you did reach him on a more personal level like Why do you got this loyalty to stone? You know when your dad is worried about you man Well, and I think I literally said because he kept saying Roger Stone did nothing wrong And my point was well if that's true You really don't have any reason to put yourself in jeopardy. I mean, if what you're saying is true and you honestly believe that he did nothing wrong, first of all, you shouldn't ever cover up for someone who did something wrong, of course,

but at the time, I just wanted him to see that if all the things he was saying was true, he had no argument, no reason, to put himself in that kind of jeopardy. Now, obviously, I think he's wrong. I think Rodgers don't have a lot to worry about, but his point was he did nothing wrong. I'm not going. I'm protecting my mentor. It's clear they want, you know, Rodger.

And it was like, you're not making sense. If he did nothing wrong and you don't have any information that would suggest he did, why are you going to risk jail time? But I think the point where he turned and the point you're referring to, AG, was when it was towards the end and he kind of looked at me and said, wait, do you really think I'm going to go to jail? And I actually just looked at Ari.

Like, where has he been this whole past 30 minutes. And but that was like the moment where it kind of all started appearing to sink in. You know, and then obviously he left and thought about it a lot more and I'm very grateful that he did. Yeah, and there could have been other factors at play too. I mean to, you know, contribute to the rumor mill, but I do believe he went on Aaron Burnett later that day and she smelled alcohol on his breath. So there could have been like mitigating circumstances to his, you know, mental capacity on that day. Yeah, I can make no comment on that.

I have no idea. I just don't know. I will certainly say I didn't smell any alcohol, but I didn't wasn't close to him physically. I mean, I think you all saw the distance. We were never closer than that distance. He was on the other side of the table. really didn't that wasn't the relevant point, it wasn't whether he was or wasn't, it was that here is someone who is making a very dangerous personal decision. And at a certain point, you, and I won't say it was necessarily conscious, I just did what I thought was the right thing in the moment, which is just to try to get him to see what he was really setting himself up for. Yeah, and you definitely did the right thing.

You probably kept that guy out of jail. And you know, you between you and Barbara, and I think that that's really great because I don't understand this loyalty to stone. And this seems to be a pattern among stone associates with Corsi now, blowing up his, or not even blowing up his plea deal, but just not accepting it, releasing his draft plea agreement to the public. And then, of course, the Manhattan Madam was having issues with wanting to testify. And we had Numberg. And I just don't know what's going on in the stone camp where these guys would be willing to risk their own freedom

to support a guy who's got Nick's and Tattoo Donuts back for all intents and purposes. Well, that's an interesting point. I actually think that Jerome Corsia has done the opposite of Protect Roger Stone because he's publicly stated that Roger Stone told him to lie and told him to help him cover up. You know what was very clear from those email exchanges which was that Roger Stone was trying to get those emails that he believed Wiki Leaks had. And if he were protecting Roger Stone, he certainly wouldn't have made those statements publicly. It made, and of course, Roger Stone started publicly attacking Jerome Corsi. Roger Stone was not so friendly to Sam Nemberg either, as we know. So

I wouldn't necessarily, but I say that to say that you're certainly right that people have express loyalty to Roger Stone, but I would not count Jerome Corsi among them. And by the way, no one should be loyal to the point of violating the law or protecting the violation of the law. Yeah, or maybe he just doesn't understand how to protect someone. I think the person that Jerome Corsi is trying to protect his Donald Trump. I don't think it's Roger Stone. I think if he were not trying to protect Donald Trump, he would be absolutely entering into an agreement to cooperate with Robert Mueller's team. Yeah, perhaps that's the case.

And then, of course, we were going to ask if you could possibly give Jerome Jerry a call and see if you could talk him into complying with the Mueller subpoena, but I don't know how well that would work. But what do you make of this stepson? Do you I feel like Mueller's put in the screws to his family to to get him to cooperate? family to get them to cooperate? Well, I will read that a little differently. I, any prosecutor who has a witness, in this case Jerome Corsi, who says, I didn't do anything wrong, I wasn't trying to destroy evidence, which would be obstruction of justice, and it's a crime in and of itself. I wasn't doing that. This was just a routine family issue where I was dealing with a computer issue.

And so this was just a normal thing. And my stepson is a witness. The prosecutor absolutely must then go and talk to the witness to determine whether or not the story is true. So it doesn't start as, oh, I'm going to go get your family member. It starts this, oh, it starts says, okay, you're telling me that you had that there's someone who will corroborate your version of this, and if that person corroborates that version, you still may have done something you shouldn't have done, but there will be evidence that you didn't do it as a crime, that you didn't intend to destroy evidence. Now, it's not very credible, but I'm just saying that that is the right thing to do, because

it's a fact-finding mission. Now certainly though to your point that certainly in parols the stepson puts the stepson in a position where the stepson has a choice because if in fact Jerome Corsi destroyed evidence intentionally, meaning knew it was evidence, knew they were coming for it, and was wiping it to protect Donald Trump, Roger Stone, whomever, himself. The step-son now has to decide whether he's going to imperil himself. Because if he lies, then he is subject to

his own criminal investigation. Now, again, we don't know what evidence Robert Mueller's team has in addition to whatever Jerome Corsi is telling them. We suspect and should suspect he's got emails, obviously he's got documents and he's got, you know, who knows what witnesses who said who knows what. So we don't know, but I'm just saying that it does create the potential for what you say, which is if there was a crime committed here, it certainly gives them the opportunity

to go after the step sun, if the step sun lies. Yeah, so it's just a matter of chronology at this point. It's something Mueller has to follow as part of the investigation by following up with a witness that can either ex-copate or not, whatever Jerome Corsia is saying, and then in and of itself it's another tool that Mueller has in his bag to try to get folks to cooperate. I mean, that's just generally how these things work. Absolutely.

I just think it's important because there's been so much of an attack on this probe as biased. That I think it is really important for the public to understand the normal course of an investigation would include talking to anyone who is identified as a witness with the intent to get to the truth, not with the intent to say, oh, let's go find someone. But, you know, it is important for people to know that that's the way it's done. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you so much for taking the time today. Everybody, a professor Public and Urban Policy and Legal Analyst for NBC, Maya Wiley. Maya, thanks for being on Moller Sheerot.

Thanks so much for having me. Alright, guys, we now have an update. We've waited for a long time to get an update on sex coach Nastya Rybka, and Jalisa will have that later for us in hot notes. Then midweek, the judge in the Manafort case asked a clerk on the court to unseal the redacted version of the evidence Mueller had to file under seal supporting his breach of plea filing. The breach of plea filing is the thing that said Manafort lied to us five times about these

five things. Well, the judge wanted all the evidence. We handed it all in under seal. And the judge said unseal it. And it included over 800 pages of pretty much totally redacted evidence proving that Manafort had lied about those five things. And in response, Manafort's team filed for an extension to respond to the massive filing saying, you know, can we maybe have a couple days to read all this shit?

I mean, it's just crimes you committed, you should know it. But, you know, they blacked out. They literally redacted. Their brains were blacked out. They literally redacted. Their brains were redacted. They were redacted drunk. As for a due date, it is now January 23rd. That's when they've asked for. The judge hasn't responded to this motion yet.

I'm assuming she'll grant it. I mean, it's 800 fucking pages. And what's really funny that we learned that I didn't know is Mueller was handing in all this evidence, and he goes, this is 800 pages. I got way more if you want it. Wow. Over a tibre. What a little fucking nerd. Judges pet, right? Yeah. Here's an apple. Anyway, yeah, we haven't seen a response to that motion. I'm sure it'll be granted. We'll keep you posted. Catch our midweek Wednesday night episode.

Also Mueller asked for an extension of two months in the Gates sentencing, citing that Gates is still cooperating in multiple open and ongoing investigations. We are still waiting for an answer to that motion and we'll keep you posted. This is further indication that Mueller could be wrapping up by mid-March, but it seems too soon. Yeah, I agree. Hashtag too soon. Yeah. Also, Gates has he been allowed to travel out of the country yet still know, right? No, I don't think so. I think he wanted to go somewhere. Yeah, I remember that. And I think special counsel is like probably not, bro. Yeah. I'm wondering like how on lock he is currently

we're interesting to know what his life is. A day in life of Rick Gates. I'm sure he's free to travel if he gets permission from special counsel. I just don't think it's a good idea. Yeah, same. if he gets permission from a special council, I just don't think it's a good idea. Yeah, same. Yeah, we'll figure out, you know, why when we get into the Nostya Rubka story. Exactly, and something about the mid-March deadline for the Mueller thing is, if that happens,

we can have another like Mueller madness thing going on there. There's a lot of things that drop before then. If there's a lot of things. Yeah, the sweet 16 of your favorite indictments. Yeah. We could have so many though, we could have like 10 sweet 16s, which would be so many indictments. The sweet 16 of your favorite indictment? Yeah. We could have so many though. We could have like 10 sweet 16s. There's going to be so many indictments.

Yeah, yeah. The same week as like the actual March madness will be really cool. It's going to be like a infinity war when half the population just gets wiped out. Just have the criminals of the world. Yeah, I'll just disappear. We're going to need a whole new like criminal island. Oh, yeah, that's right.

The White Island. Like a penal island. That's true, they get banished to the white island. It's like the opposite of that Mormon prophecy or whatever, and like, I like it all, it just turned black and they're like, doomed, remember that? You remember that?

They had a fun little cartoon that teaches children about that, isn't that great? Good times, yeah. Sorry, if you're Mormon and you have issues that prove us wrong. Yeah, I'm sorry, I'll baptize in dead people, weird city. Oh yeah.

Please don't baptize me. Wait, that's why you guys have to freeze my head. It's a fair request. That's my only last will and testament. I have, you know, say on mine, wish to not be baptized in the Mormon church. Thank you. Also, Tuesday, we learned that Peter Baker.

No, not Peter Baker. Who's Peter Baker? It's James Baker. Look, I fixed it so we don't have Baker. No, not Peter Baker. Who's Peter Baker? It's James Baker. Look, I fixed it so we don't have to have a correction for next week. He's now under criminal investigation for leagues by the Republicans in the House Overset Committee.

So they're still trying to with their little investigations. Isn't that cute? Yeah, good luck getting a subpoena assholes. I don't think this is going to go anywhere. As you know, if you're a long-time listener to Muller She wrote, the Komi 5 is what we refer to as the five high-level FBI officials that Komi shared his contemporaneous notes about his meetings with Trump with, right? And we were all, oh shit, these guys are in trouble, they've got targets on their back, Trump's gonna fuck him over. Those were Bodich, McCabe, Baker, Gattis, and Rabicki. Or Rabicki, Rabicki, Rabicki.

Rabicki. We added a sixth, Bente, or Bente. We added him, because he's like an honorary, Comey-5. Yeah, yeah. Over a year ago, we told you guys, we told you to watch these guys, because Trump would try to pick him off one by one

and discredit them, and all of them have now either been fired or pushed out or retired. And now Baker is under a bullshit house investigation for leaking. They'll find nothing, put some beans on it. Don't worry about it. Right. Baker's legit. Then, 11 Republicans broke rank with Trump and voted to block Trump from lifting sanctions on Oleg Darapaska.

He's the aluminum magnate, Russian Oleegar, super good friends with Putin. And this was a procedural vote, though it did not pass the second vote, and therefore Trump will presumably lift sanctions on Darapaska in a likely squid pro crow for Putin. Probably one of the topics that was covered in the Helsinki summit, along with the NATO pullout.

What a piece of shit. Those are all beans, I don't know. He ate his notes, so I don't know if that's actually what happened. Didn't we have a thing where he was eating his notes? Yeah, that was a thing. It was. It was a thing. Yeah. He was eating his notes. I don't know if he ate these notes, but he confiscated them. Growing boy. These notes sound like these notes. These notes. These notes. These notes dim gavils.

Damn gavils, though. Put them in your mouth. Still Tuesday, Mueller will likely restrict some of what Cohen will testify to according to a report in the Wall Street Journal. Mr. Cohen, Michael Cohen, he scheduled to speak to the House Oversight Committee on February 7th. He will likely not be allowed to discuss topics he's covered with special counsel, Robert Muller, according to a source close to Cohen. I don't think this will stop millions of people from watching it I think he can be asked about the Buzzfeed news reporting he did tweet after that and we'll go over this a little bit you know about the Buzzfeed reporting in case you haven't heard but he did tweet out that he was directed to

lie to Congress he tweeted Michael Cohen tweeted that after the Buzzfeed story came out. And I think he should be able to answer questions on that. It is part of a Mueller investigation, but it's not, it might or might not be something he discussed with Mueller. I'm not quite sure, but it's in his sentencing memo. Right. That he was directed to do this. And he's tweeted it out.

So I'm not sure where the line is there. I don't think it would be a restricted topic since he's already it's already out there. Yeah, I wonder. Komi sing his questioning television moment of fame. That was still interesting, even though he had to deny answering a lot of the questions. So I imagine it'll be similar to that.

Yeah, yeah, whatever we can get out of Cohen would be better than nothing, right? I just hope he talks like this. I wish I had a plaid suit. I love the plaid suit. Plids suit. Comey has a real subtle plaid jacket. Much nicer. That's right.

That he wears with his brown shoes. So comey. So comey. Also Wednesday, Calouty Rudy had a revelatory interview with Cohen. much nicer. That's right. That's right. That's where it wears with his brown shoes. Mm-hmm. You know it's a luffet. Mm-hmm. Also, Wednesday, Calouty Rudy had a revelatory interview with Cohen. With Cohen. Co-o-mo.

Co-o-mo. My auto correct. I don't use Cuomo as much as I use Cohen. That makes sense, yeah. Co-o-mo. I'm going to correct it in my notes. And Jordan, you're going to cover this. Yes.

In hot note. This was really good. Yeah, classic Giuliani. Totally, I could have written it. Oh yeah, he really good. I was not fired yet. That is the question I keep asking myself. Oh, he's doing his job. I think he's doing his job.

I think I'm with you, Giuliesa. Yeah, that's a fair point. But 100% would be good. There's other things in that interview that I feel are also just sort of like bad press Plus if you think about shit that Trump says in interviews like where he absolutely and totally implicates himself in subordinate perjury and witness tampering he probably thinks whatever Rudy's doing is awesome exactly. Yeah, well you guys meds awesome. They're kindred spirits for sure

All right, yeah, go ahead. No, sorry. was just going to say they're probably already investing in technology so they can smuggle into jail to break out of their stuff. Oh yeah, they got a guy. Yeah, they're just a long game couple. Oh yeah. They know. They know what's coming. Yeah, but they're using like Windows 95 to do it.

I love the little maze that came with the screen saver. Are you guys remember that? Oh, it's cool man. Shout out to Pipe. Pipe. Yeah, the Pipes too. Pipes was fine. Yeah. Also, bad ass Nancy Pelosi wrote a letter to Trump telling him

she's not going to let him give his state of the union address to Congress like normal, citing the government shutdown, saying that Department of Homeland Security won't be able to provide the necessary security for the event. I mean, if you think about it, everybody's going to be there. You've got the judges, the chiefs of staff, the The scotus judges when I say judges not just like Mike judge They'll all be there all the Congress people be there all the cabinet members will be there except for one called the designated survivor That's right. I don't know who it is. You're the show for in case someone bombs the whole Jesus. That's bleak

That's exactly what it's for they rotate the position right they do Yeah. I don't know if you draw straws or just some probably some weird old man, like tradition. Yeah, like skulls. Tradition. Transition. Blood dripping. Obstroge.

Bloodsthing. Yeah. Oh, don't cut my hand. Yeah. We must. Descending survivor must shed blood. But what about, never mind? No wonder it's a TV show.

That is pretty interesting. It is. And what was really great is in the designated, oh TV show, that is pretty interesting. It is. And what was really great is in the designated... Oh, I can't tell you spoilers. Why I love it. First of all, spoiler it, and I also might give away my... Oh, okay. I appreciate that. I haven't seen it yet. It's really... it's pretty good. Like, first two seasons were amazing, and then I started getting wonky,

but I love it. And I love the concept of... I mean, I don't love the concept of everybody dying. It's just like very... It's spooky, right? There's one guy in a basement somewhere else hidden, whisked away from the Capitol building in case boom, bomb happened. And it happens, yeah. And he would be the president. You have to put the country back together again.

And it could be like, it could be Ben Carson. Oh, no. And this is for all major events or just for the state of the union, state of the union address that pulls together a specific body. Because it's just for the state of the union address. Because I think the state of the union address is the only one that has all those people present in the same building. Right, right.

They could just stop having the state of the union. It is kind of boring. It solves that old bleak hellscape in scenario. Yeah, yeah. It's a tradition yeah yeah of course I want you to be sure isn't good enough come on that's dying in history that's what fucking Pelosi said she's like you can write it down if you want or give it in the oval office oh yeah so funny you can't write this

piss Trump off and he retaliated by not providing a government plane for her and a contingency of staffers to visit a war zone. Afghanistan, I believe, saying that is it Afghanistan? It was Afghanistan and then they had a mandatory stop in Brussels, but he wanted to list that out as if it was a destination in itself. Yeah, so Afghanistan and a couple other spots, a couple other stops they have to make. Yes, destination wedding. No, um, war zone. And you're not supposed to say that people are going. Um, and because he was like, you can take a commercial jet

if you like, well, she can't now because it's out the public that this contingency of very high level people are going to a war zone. So now you can't, right? Stupid dumb piece of shit. Yeah. And that was his little, ooh, well I'm taking your plane away. He's so petty.

And then oddly though, immediately, he let Melania use the government plane and staff to fly to Mar-a-Lago, even though the government shut down. So what's your excuse there? Sir, oh he's such a baby. It hurt to calm, sir. Tell him to do it again.

Yeah, it isn't, right? Yeah, even if it is patronizing. Yeah. Sir, put a little stank on it. Sir, yeah. Sir, the fart noise, it's good. Thursday, Nastya it is patronizing. Yeah. Sir, put a little stank on it. Sir, yeah. Sir, yeah. The fart noise.

It's good. Thursday, Nastya Ribko was arrested, manhandled in Moscow after being promised safe passage to Belarus after being released from the Thai prison that she was in for the last many months. And Jolice will have that for us later in the show. Moving on to Thursday, when we learned that the law firm, Skaden Ar ARP Slate, Meager and Flom. Let me do that again. Scadden ARP Slate, Meager and Flom. I just love saying it. I did an episode 46, too. They agreed to pay a settlement of $4.5

million in a case tied to Manafort. If you remember from episode 46, go back, have a listen. We reported that Greg Craig, he's a Democrat, and he's a lobbyist, and he could be under criminal investigation for lobbying on behalf of Ukraine without registering under the registration act, Farah. And he worked for Scadden, and you'll also recognize the Scadden law firm as the one that Vanders won, whose father-in-law is Herman German-German Khan of Alpha Bank fame. He asked Scadden to write that white-washed report about Yanukovych's opponent Temeschenko. Yanukovych is the guy Manafort worked for as you know. And as a part of this settlement scadden will have to retroactively register as a foreign agent. They're getting

really good at retroactively registering as foreign agents um just everyone on the side. And Greg Craig a Democrat. I will support prosecuting Democrats who violate the law. Definitely. That's what sets us apart from a GOP. For a GOP? They're coming around a little bit to be fair. That's true. Slowly with a nationalist stuff, yeah, yeah. So they have to pay $4.5 million in restitution, which is nothing for a firm that makes $2.5 billion

a year. We still don't know if they're gonna file criminal charges against Greg Craig. For his work at the firm, we'll find out. I'll let you know. I'll cheers to anybody going down for breaking the law. Fuck that guy. Great name though.

Greg Craig? Greg Craig gets green gators. Good grappa. It's a good tongue twister. Like my first book or something. Yeah. I like it because it's two first names. It's a good tongue twister. Like my first book or something. Yeah. I like it because it's two first names. That's always fun.

Greg, Greg, yeah. You say it so fast. Greg, Greg. Greg, Greg. That a really weird story came out Thursday. I know, really weird stories. Cohen paid a guy to rig dredge polls to make Trump seem more popular than he was

in the lead up to the election or in the election to lead up to the election. The weird part is that he paid this guy $13,000 in cash along with a box and glove signed by some MMA guy and he handed it all over in a blue Walmart bag. This is the level of class we're dealing with. He probably wearing his plaid jacket. He's probably having a cigar out in the stoop with the fellas Hand over this Walmart bag shops at Walmart The total payoff was 50,000 13,000 and then I guess a 27,000 dollar box thing glove and later Cohen asked Trump for the 50,000 back, right?

Of course, it is totally legal to give your own campaign money as long as you report it which Trump did not so now He is possibly facing three campaign finance felonies. Wow. Okay, but also what about the idea of Misconstruing poll data is that allowed? I don't know. I think it's an impeachable offense I don't know if it's illegal because they weren't thinking someone would do that at that level probably Well, even if they do if you get somebody to fudge poll numbers, is that illegal? Yeah. Well, I mean, conceivably, it could definitely affect the psychology of the electorate, if you see someone with higher polling numbers and have more confidence in them, maybe. Yeah, because you can impeach you.

One of the articles of impeachment for Nixon was lying to the public, misleading the public, and that could be considered that. I would throw it into the massive giant pile of articles of impeachment if you know that we already have but I think that that's would qualify as that but I don't know if it's technically illegal. I know it's illegal to donate to your own campaign making and kind of campaign contribution without reporting it so that is a felony. Then of course Thursday night we got that BuzzFeed report with a headline that Trump directed Cohen to lie to Congress about the Trump Tower Moscow timeline and the Mueller reboot, reboot, reboot, the Mueller reboot that came out right after that, and well the day after, of that report saying it's not accurate, and I'll go over

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But first, Julie, so you have an update on Nastya Rybka. On Tuesday, the Washington Post reported that Nastya Rybka pleaded guilty in Thailand to teaching sex seminars and was sentenced to immediate deportation. And then on Thursday we learned from the Guardian that as soon as Nastya Rybka arrived at the Moscow airport for safe passage, she immediately was arrested. And basically I feel like she's going to be tortured and killed. I think she'll be murdered. Yeah, I mean, that's what they do.

Yeah, we got a lot of questions about that. And it doesn't, I don't think it looks good. And it's terrifying. And horrible that they would promise her safe passage through Moscow to Belarus. And then while she's changing planes, they told her she have to change planes in Moscow. It's like she had to. Be like, really, bro? That's what we need to.

And then she was, she was just immediately detained. And yeah, it was pretty rough too, wasn't. Yeah, it wasn't peaceful at all. It wasn't pardon me, ma'am. When you come with us, we got that at all. Very clear, they took four of the seven people that came from Thailand with her and they're facing up to six years in prison.

So, in Russian, prison, yeah. I'm wondering, is there any sort of hire like the UN or something that could maybe try to step in at all? Because with Koshogi, for example, I don't think people saw that coming at all. They didn't know that. They didn't have intelligence that he was coming into that consulate and that something might happen to him, but this is so blatantly obvious that she has a target on her back. It's like, is there anyone that can step in at all? I don't know. I really don't. I know that RFBI went to Thailand to try to talk to her and couldn't get access to.

She backtracked her story too, which can't help her case for being rescued. Saying that only Darapasca could have the bit like, exactly what that ideal. Exactly. Yeah, I don't think Mueller would have seen through that. It was probably something that she was forced to say. Yeah, that makes sense. And that's why Mueller, I think that's why they sent some FBI agents over there to try to get access to her.

But they weren't allowed access. Oh, yeah, they just turned away. Wow. Yeah, I mean, I can imagine she would speak up if she could if she had the platform. We'll keep an eye on the story. I don't know that we're going to hear much more about it, honestly. Yeah, I hope they tell us something. Regardless of what happens as awful as the outcome could be I hope we just know

Yeah, all right. Well, thanks for that reporting. It's scary. Yeah. Thank you. That is Jordan. What do you got? All right, so The mouth shudders back this week. We miss you Gulliani. Thank you for opening your mouth again because it just keeps getting better really In a CNN interview with Chris Cuomo on CNN Wednesday this week Giuliani went on national television for another installment of the loop the truth tour and told the nation that he never said members of Trump's campaign did not collude with Russia. He only said that the president himself didn't. And Cuomo was like, yeah, you did? Right. Yeah.

That was a good, I watched that. Cuomo was good in that interview. He was calling him out like he's like no you did you said no one did I mean at this point to the people interviewing him have to know what's coming He's gonna say some shit that ended this entirely ended that it called to what he said So they're like let's just look back at what he said just screenshot. Yeah, I'm ready to go Yeah, we're ready to go when he opens his mouth I have to say that I loved the response on Twitter when Cuomo put that out see CNN put that out, Joyce White Vance put that out. Wouldn't it, CNN? Yeah. CNN. Yeah. Yeah. And everybody was like, tag doesn't it? They're like, oh,

looming the truth. Look, Mueller. She writes, looming the truth. Looming the truth. Mueller. She wrote, causes, looming the truth. I'm like, oh, he's got it. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. Giuliani, he said, and he said this exact quote, there is not a single bit of evidence of that the President United States committed the only crime that you can commit here, conspiring with the Russians to hack the DNC, end quote. There are many more crimes that one can commit here and by one, I mean Trump.

There's the hacking of the DNC, sure. There's in coordination with Russia. There's the easing and non-enforcement of sanctions. There are other kickbacks for days. The list really goes on and on and on. So that's hilarious. At least it isn't a collusion for a change. Oh, yeah.

Interesting language lesson. That's very second. Yeah. Yeah. So this recent loop the truth attempt, of course, comes after we learn that Manafort was sharing internal polling data with Kalimnik and others very close to the Kremlin. Thus really hammering those nails into Manafort's gout coffin. That's amazing.

It's like a band. Goosey gout coffin with a tide. Yeah, pretty awesome. Yeah, well because this news comes out right and then of course Trump's response is, well I didn't know he was doing that. This is the first time I'm learning of them sharing that sort of information. And he said that Giuliani said of Trump, well, Manafort did it, Trump didn't do it.

Which as Watergate showed us, this now work has an excuse for people in your camp committing crimes that you were aware of. I guess the aware of part is TBD here, but I would not be surprised at all. And I'm putting my beans on it. For sure, obviously. Or else, what are we doing here?

Um, what are we doing if not putting beans on things? Yeah, what are we doing? Even better, this interview is a total betrayal of the previous position we've heard from the Trump team, and that is the position that no one on their team ever colluded with the Russians. In fact, CNN did the numbers and identified 13 times that Trump tweeted that there was no collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russian government.

Trump campaign. Right. Not Trump. Right. Trump campaign, which is exactly what Giuliani used in this interview was the Trump campaign is the one that colluded. So there we go. There's just one fun contradiction for you. It's blatantly out there. So which is it, Giuliani? I think

it's the one where you all go to jail. Giuliani then in the interview directly calls out Mueller. This is one of my favorite parts, challenging Mueller to find any wrongdoing committed by the president already on it, buddy. Yeah, I got a memo saying I was supposed to do that. Yeah, a couple years ago. Yeah, thank you. I appreciate you seeing and blessing. I appreciate your permission. Yeah, Giuliani said, quote, let's see if he's got anything.

I challenge him to show us some evidence that the president was involved in anything approaching criminal conduct. End quote. I feel like at this point That's just a serious question like Giuliani's actually asking like please can you tell me what has he done Yeah, I dare you and then call me and let me know because I cannot keep track my notes Do you teach a learning in X class on what's illegal because I should take that? and convoluted, yeah. Do you teach a learning analytics class on what's illegal because I should take that?

Yeah. Love Julie. Julie. Julie. Aw. That's probably his nickname as a kid. That's cute. Or what he got mocked and says before.

Julie. Julie Annie in the interview also corrected his previous statements that week that seemed to suggest that he thinks Trump's legal team should get to edit Mueller's report before it's released. He clarified in this interview that he said they think they should at least get to see it, and that is all. While also happening to where Google Glasses have a copy and paste function.

Yeah, I dare you to try to reform at a document. Yeah, yeah. Republicans. Yeah. Go for it. Oh, damn it. They put it in PDF. What do we do?

Go for it. Can we get. They put it in PDF. What do we do? Foyled can we get Maniford to convert it to word? All back pop back Created this thing PDFs so um, yeah, I mean that that's that's one of the more I think Considering the new cycle this week that last part is pretty consequential because everyone was pretty up in arms about that And he's like no, no, no, we're not saying that we're just saying we should be able to see it before but nothing he says means anything anymore so yeah yeah I just have one thing to say to Kooludy Rudy.

Oda! Oda! Oda! Oda! Oda! Oda! Oda! I love that guy so much.

He's so adorable! Oda! I fed... Oh, dad. I love that guy so much. He's so adorable. Oh, da. No one made me my video. I asked if somebody could make me a video mashup of Hodor saying or or it's probably harder man or of John Burkow saying Hodor. Oh, that one seems doable. That would be great too. That's probably easier. Anyway. be easier. Anyway, we spoke this week with one of my favorite people to talk about my hot note. Let's listen to that interview. Alright guys, so late Thursday Buzzfeed published a story with a headline quote, President Trump directed his attorney Michael Cohen to lie to Congress about the Moscow Trump Tower

project. And that story was all, anyone was talking about all day Friday until Peter Carr, spokesperson for Special Counsel's Office, notoriously quiet fellow, put out a very rare statement saying that the story, he said, quote, BuzzFeed's description of specific statements to the Special Counsel's Office and characterization of documents and testimony obtained by this office regarding Michael Cohen's congressional testimony are not accurate."

BuzzFeed's editor-in-chief came out saying that he stands behind the reporting and asked special counsel to please explain or clarify what part of the reporting was an accurate. And joining us to talk about this is staff writer for the Atlantic and MSNBC contributor Natasha Bertrand. Natasha, welcome back to Mueller, she wrote. Thanks for having me. Yeah, anytime. So what's the deal, yo? So yeah, I mean, obviously this was a really bombshell moment.

Special counsel's office literally never responds to anything, let alone disputes or report. We've never actually seen that happen before. You know, I think it was like, I think it was a combination of things. The first was that I don't know how clearly the reporters laid out to the special counsel when they were requesting comment what they were actually going to report. It's my understanding that, you know, the report says that Mueller's office obtained documents and testimony that

corroborates certain aspects of Michael Cohen's testimony in which he said that Donald Trump told him to lie. And it's also, you know, it doesn't seem like it's something that the special counsel was made aware of so that they would be able to reply to it, you know, on the day. So, after the story came out, there was a lot of talk about impeachment. Democrats were kind of drawing blood, smelling blood. They were saying we're going to start impeachment with proceedings if this is true, because it is a felony

fast-forward, and Mueller's office sees the report. And it's like, wait, it looks kind of like it came from our office because there are just so many details here about, you know, mullers and what muller has. So I think that was part of it. I do think that another big part of it is probably just to protect the integrity of the investigation. I mean, this is an extremely big deal.

And if Congress were to start launching impeachment proceedings based on a report that was even slightly inaccurate, then I think that that would probably prompt Smolter's team to step in. But again, like they parsed their statement very quickly, very carefully, they didn't say that it was completely wrong or that Buzz View was lying, they just said that parts of it were characterized or the characterization of it just was not accurate. What that means, that is of course that remains to be seen. Buzzfeed now is trying to get answers, apparently, and they are going back to their sources

and they are asking for more information. So the story is moving very quickly. I think we just need to keep an eye on it over the next few days. I got you. So the quote unquote green light, where Buzzfeed sent their reporting to special counsel's office,

apparently they had no comment on that and that's what they perceived as the go ahead to publish. They got a... so it was a no comment and this was provided to me by the communication instructor when I asked for more clarity about the back and forth. It was a no comment and then the special counsel's office followed up about five minutes later in another email saying, just want to make sure you have this. And what they did was they copied and pasted essentially parts of Michael Cohen's plea agreement in which he says that he lied out of a blind loyalty to Donald Trump. And that this was basically at Trump's directive and et know, this was basically at, you know, at Trump's directive and etc., etc. So, Bustby took that as, you know, they didn't say this is, you know, confirmation or denial,

but they didn't take it as, you know, they weren't waving them off the story. But based on the question that the reporters asked the special counsel, I don't know whether the special counsel had all of the information that they would have needed to provide a full and thorough response before the story was actually published. Yeah, and to me, that's actually kind of the story that the unintended story that's come out that I think that I'm like, wow, is because it made me go back and look at that co-incensing memo from Cohen's defense team team where it said that both the false statements made to Congress and the payment, you know, the Stormy Daniels thing were both that the

directive of client one or individual one being Trump in this case, which means we've, this has been in the public, or at least the, you know, the gist of the story, the headline of the story that Trump directed him to Latin Congress, has been in the public court documents now for two months. Right, exactly. And we've known that Michael Cohen was in direct contact with members of the White House legal team, if not with Trump himself, because that is something that Michael Cohen's lawyers actually admitted in their own court documents. They said that not only was he feeling the pressure,

but he was also working with the White House legal team on crafting his prepared testimony before he went before Congress. So, you know, I think that this is honestly a distinction without a difference. I mean, the White House and therefore Trump were clearly in the loop when Michael Cohen was drafting the statement and they clearly wanted it to hide the fact

that he was pursuing a deal in Russia because Trump did not tell anyone in 2016 that he was trying to make this deal happen. So I think that is the big picture here that we need to stay focused on is that Trump lied. It's not even just that he, you know, yes, if he told Michael Cohen to lie, that is obviously a felony and that's a very serious crime that Democrats, for example, if they wanted to, could latch on to, if they had hard proof and say this is an impeachable offense. But he also lied to the American people when he said that he had no business dealings in Russia and when he concealed the fact that he was pursuing a multimillion dollar real estate deal there in 2016. Yeah, and we know from history that you can be impeached for a line to the public. It was I think one of the articles in impeachment for Nixon. Right, exactly. You know, obstruction of justice, witness tampering, these are all things that could

that could realistically be used by Democrats to begin impeachment proceedings. Now, I wrote about this yesterday. It seems like now they're not going to wait for Mueller's final report, if need be, in order to start holding the president accountable. But of course, they also don't want to get out too far ahead of Mueller because that would just be really anticlimactic and the public would be left wondering, well, what does the special counsel report say? Yeah, exactly. I think it would personally be smart to wait until you have that, at least, the bulk of

the Mueller report before you move forward with that. So you just have everything on the table at once. And I know Rosenberg appeared on MSNBC, the Friday night, and was talking about, you know, why did, you know, Mueller even charge Cohen with this? And they were positing that it was creating a predicate to charge others with the same offense. So it's not in and of itself an unimportant thing. Right. Exactly. And I think that when you put all of the lies together, I'm sorry,

I just got a little bit louder. I'm on the street right now. Um, but if you put all of these lies together, they start to create a picture of, you know, conspiracy and concealment that you just really can't ignore. I mean, why was there such a concerted effort to work with the Russians in 2016? Why was there such a concerted effort by Michael Cohen, Donald Trump, Jr. Michael Flynn tied their conversations with the Russians. It all adds to the emerging picture of some kind of conspiracy. Yeah, and the DNC laid it out pretty great in their recent 111 page filing of,

you know, I guess they're suing all those guys. Right, right. I actually did not get a chance to read that, so I'm not in the best position to comment on it, but yeah, I mean, the DNC is essentially alleging that they stole the election and that they cheated to win. Yeah, it's pretty good. There's nothing really new that pops out in it for us, you know. I'll probably go over it in a minute, so but anyway, thank you so much for taking the time to talk to us about this today. Any last thoughts on how we should mentally move forward from this? Thank you for having me. Yeah, I mean, I think we should just keep in mind that the big picture here, which is that the president was clearly compromised by Russia at a moment when Russia was attacking the election and trying to elect him.

So. Yeah, and he's eating his notes from his meetings. Right. That too, of course. We have to be careful of that. Hopefully the Attorney General actually knows what the Presidential Records Act is. So we can get some closure on that. All right, well, thank you so much, staff writer for the Atlantic, MSNBC contributor, Natasha Bertrand.

Thanks so much for being on Muller Shee Road. Thank you. So there you have it. That's my hot note. We need to remember, though, that the special counsel's rebuke of the Buzzfeed report is not all encompassing. And only takes issue with part of the reporting that we don't know which part.

I think, and these are super space beans, but I think Mueller felt the need to comment publicly because of the leak. Yeah, lots of folks could have been under the impression that the SCO leaked. That's the special counsel's office, or even that Southern District of New York leaked. But I spoke to Mimi Roca, who said that that's likely not yet either. She's like, if you think that the Southern District District New York leaked, you don't know these people. So I don't know who these two law enforcement officials are. I've heard some pretty good source stuff

that I'm not allowed to tell you. And I will tell you as soon as I can, but for now, ha ha. There's a lot of off the record partial explanations floating around it. I don't want to get into those until the story has time to breathe. You know what I mean? And I think that's the main takeaway here.

And why we do a midweek update and not smaller emergency soads, because we want to give these reports time to marinate. So we can rely on incredible journalists like Natasha Bertrand and others who will get to the bottom of things for us. Tune in Wednesday for an update on this. And you'll notice in that interview, I also mentioned a 111 page lawsuit filed by the DNC, alleging, his cronies and the Russians conspired to steal the election.

13 counts, conspiracy, Rico, and all that other stuff racketeering everything. It's a really interesting read. We'll try to put it together in a mini-sode for you in the next week or two. But in the meantime, I recommend picking it up and checking it out. It's a really nice summary of the conspiracy 111 pages, but it's really nice. It does it in numbers like here's .1.2.3. Here's the crimes that were committed and by whom and thank you where the Dancy. Good night. Good night. Good night. All right guys, we'll be right back. Hey Mueller junkies, it's 2019, which means a new year, new you. And for most people, that also means wanting to avoid overcrouted gyms.

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Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! That was good! That was good! Alright, this week, Jolise, you're gonna pick first, and then me and then Jordan.

So Jolise, who was your first pick? Don't you dare say stone. I'm gonna go with Korsi actually. Oh, pull your agreement or straight up indictment. Oh straight up. All right. Joliza, Korsi. All right, you got Korsi. I got stone. Sorry, I got a good stone. No, it's fair. Let's just round out the camp, Assange.

Nice. Nice. Joliza? Ooh, Eric Prince. All right, I'm going to go with Junior. All right, I'm going to do a... This is a throwback. What's up with credit code? Good question. Yeah, I'm going to do a credit code plea agreement. All right from the way back times All right, Julie, so I'm jukeish. We're gonna drink a share right? No, we have no kush. I'll do a vodka then. Oh, yeah, get the big boys This is a DJ

No, I have junior. Oh, fuck. All right PJ I have junior oh fuck all right um when no one's got Eric though yeah always pick last I will take Tiffany before that all right let's let's do uh I'll do a rando for this round I'll do Eric sin oh Eric yes I'm a who's Eric sin Oh, Ericsson. Yes. Who's Ericsson? Alright, let's see. Hmm. Hmm.

Super seating man afforded diamonds. God dammit, that's a good one. I was gonna do that! Why did I do a random? What a fool. Alright. What a fool! Okay, Vesselnet Sky.

Yeah, it's good. Straight up indictment, play a g's good. Straight up indictment, plea agreement. Oh straight up indictment. She's not fucking cooperating with shit. Mm-hmm. She's right or die. And died is also probably right what that's a good point. Yeah. Yeah. All right, JJ, you got one more. Yeah, let's see what's up with this Greg Craig guy. Good one, good call. Let's see, Stone Jr. I've got a manna, a manna. I'll do a rando. All right.

Okay. All right, I'm gonna do another throwback, uh, Roarabocker. Mmm, that's good. Alright, well I think we're done. Alright. So, uh, J. Joe, you got Corsi, Prince, Kush, Erickson, and Greg Craig. Mm-hmm. Uh, I've got Stone, Jr., Ivanka, Super City, Manafort, and Rando, and Jordan,

Joko. You have a Sons, Krediko, Rando, Vazel Nutskaya, and Dana. Nice. There is no Dana on the Zool. All right, you guys ready for sabotage? Yes. Yes. I

Y'all all right just a little while ago just a little while ago today political reported that Trump has thanked Robert Mueller praising special counsel for disputing the characterization of some aspects of the Buzzfeed news reporting although that's not what he said Lots of folks seem upset saying that Mueller has handed Trump a win But has he really I mean I think right now every right wing nut job is praising Muller, which they never have before. Trump's never thanked Muller. He's never had a nice word to say about him. I have total faith. Muller knows exactly what he's doing.

He knew this. This was going to happen if he did this. Exactly why he did something. I'm sure we'll be debating for a long time to come. Trump made this statement in support of Mueller on the South lawn before taking off to pay respects to four dead Americans, victims of an ISIS bombing in Syria. He said, it was a total phony story, total phony story.

And I appreciate the special counsel coming out with a statement last night. Again, this is coming from a guy who has not yet had one supportive word for an investigation which if he were innocent would serve to exonerate him of all wrongdoing. But of course that's not the reality. He's guilty and Mueller will bury the motherfucker. Yes, I said motherfucker and I stand with Congresswoman Taleb when she called Trump a motherfucker too. Also the feckless kind comment i do i

stand behind that um see tolay she called trump a motherfucker because he's a motherfucker he's a racist piece of misogynistic shit cognac all trump a motherfucker and we're fine with that umum but of course everyone lost their minds when she did it uh trump calls people motherfuckers because they're mexican or because they take a knee or because there're a women of color who are reporters. We can't equate these two kinds of motherfuckers. If I punched a guy that was assaulting me, would you say I'm just as bad as he is because I resorted to violence and the weight of setting the example of not kicking people in the dick is on me? No way. No, because that is stupid. And so is this.

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