Jack - Roger Stonehenge (feat. Judd Legum & Emi Guereca)

Episode Date: November 19, 2018

Ep #55 - Joining us this week is Judd Legum (political journalist) and Emi Guereca (founder of Women’s March LA)! Plus, Jaleesa covers the latest on Trump’s Apprentice tapes in a new segment called “Racial Maddow”, Jordan breaks down this week’s Facebook fiasco, and AG reports on Roger Stonehenge! Enjoy! 

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I have been called a surrogate at a time or two in that campaign. And I didn't have, not have, communications at the Russians. What do I have to get involved with Putin for? I have nothing to do with Putin. I've never spoken to him. I don't know anything about a mother than he will respect me. Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find

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and with me, as always, is Julie Sojanson. Hello. And Jordan Coburn. Hello. How was your week? Good, yeah. Good news. Good news. Shows in. I did. I did some mics. I probably did a show or two. Oh yeah, I had palace weekend shows. Oh nice. Main stage. No, I did the the gold room in the back. Okay. Yeah, why do they call the gold room? It's the second best room.

Yeah, it's stupid. Yeah. You got to complain about that. It's wishful thinking. You need to be on the main stage. Yeah. Yeah. You're trying to make it not sound stupid. You're like, oh, the gold roof, then I go inside and they're like, wait, what the fuck? Like the second stage at what's that one in Pasadena flappers? Or ice house? Or maybe flappers. Ice house, ice house. They used to call it the second stage, and now they call it like the you who room or something. Oh, that is flappers, actually.

Yeah, yeah. It's a flappers. It's usually flappers. Okay, see? I don't know. It's still a good room, but it's definitely a smaller than the main room. Exactly. Small but intimate. Yeah, just advertise it as such. The belly room at the store. Yeah. They have three rooms there though. They have the OR, which is the original room, and then the main room, I guess that was an originally there. They built it after the thing. I think they did. So the main

stage is actually the second stage and then And then the belly room which is upstairs, which I love the belly room Yeah, because you use that little kitchen walk through the back stairs and you feel important. Oh, yeah Madhouse also has a second room now. Oh, I heard what are they calling it the carland room, I think according to the Wi-Fi But that's my investigative reporting. That's cool. The same house. Yeah. It looks like the comedy sailor kind of, because it's in a San Diego historic building. So there's bricks everywhere. It looks super cool.

It's very nice. Yeah. Is it downstairs or? It's all downstairs. Oh, I didn't know they had a downstairs. It's where they had the same level. Oh, OK. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Gotcha. All right. Anyway, my week was good. Basically, I just sat around waiting for indictments. We all kind of were. This week was crazy. And we have a great show lined up for you. We all kind of were. This week was crazy and we have a great show lined up for you. We have Judd Lagum. He's coming on to chat about Stone's election shenanigans. And we have Emmy Goreka. She's the founder of Women's Los Angeles. She's joining us

in our Flip at Blue segment with Eyes on 2020. Jordan's going to be covering the Facebook fiasco Jordan's going to be covering the Facebook fiasco today and in our new racial Maddo segment, Jelisa is going to cover the legal team seeking Trump apprentice tapes in the immigration case that's making its way through the courts right now. I'm going to be covering Roger Stonehenge and all the things surrounding him, but first I want to thank you all for following us on Twitter. If you don't already head over and follow us at Muller She Wrote. If for following us on Twitter. If you don't already, head over and follow us at MollarshiRoute. If you're not on Twitter, just dust off one of those old AOL or hotmail emails and create a Twitter and follow us.

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So check it out at patreon.com slash muller sheet wrote. Once we get to 3,000 patrons, we're going to start putting out two main episodes every week and we're very close to that goal. So thank you, thank you, thank you to all our patrons. We have a lot of news to get to this week, so let's jump in with just the facts. Alright guys, we kicked off the week thinking that the holiday would be nice and quiet. But Monday, we learned that there were eight prosecutors working in the special counsel's office on Veterans Day, a federal holiday.

News reports indicate that Cohen was in Washington with one of his defense attorneys in tow, and they were meeting with Mueller's team when everyone assumed their offices would be closed. Most reporters speculated that they were prepping him for the grand jury. There was no real story on it. No one ever came out and said exactly what was happening. We just had smiles and ears on the ground and kind of found out through some other anonymous alt and fed employees, friends of mine sources,

that were telling us what was going on. And Tuesday, that's when the buzz started, because the media started setting up cameras and lights at every entrance to the courthouse where the grand jury convenes. And according to sources, a CNN crew had said the grand jury was indeed meeting, which is weird because we're used to the meeting on Friday, but now they're meeting on Tuesday, and they were all waiting for Cohen to

arrive. But that's sort of where the story stalled. We never heard much about it after that. No one ever covered the fact that the grand jury was convening on a Tuesday. It could be that grand jury is convened for 18 months and Muller was done with the grand jury that was convening on Fridays and so he's convened a new one and handled a new grand jury and they meet on Tuesdays. I have no idea that that reporting never came out and we still don't know. But Cohen has previously participated in several interviews with special counsel and federal prosecutors in New York for more than 40 hours, like a ton. So I don't know what's going to go on with this one.

I don't know if he's making another cooperation agreement. I don't know if he's been given immunity. We haven't heard any of that. So it's very tight-lipped. And that could be kind of maybe leftover stuff from how Mueller was real quiet leading up to the elections. So it could be kind of an effect of that. But I don't know.

I mean, we talk about superseding in diamonds for Cohen. Do you think it could have been any sort of conversations like you got anything else for us, buddy? Yeah, and it might have been like, there could be a proffer where they're doing a cooperation agreement where they're like, nothing you say will be used against you. Tell us every spill at all.

Or it could be a immunity situation or it could just be Cohen's like, I don't care what you do to me. I'm telling you everything. Who knows? I know that would be hardcore. Yeah, that would be pretty hardcore. Just the other side of the coin. Yeah, that would be something I would never expect from that. Yeah, his throwback Thursday must was a dick. When I stole taxa medallions, medallions, Italian, hash tag. Also Tuesday, Adam Schiff, the ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee, the guy who's poised to take control of that committee in January, told Chuck Todd,

that meet the press, that if Whitaker doesn't recuse himself from the Mueller investigation, any role he plays will be exposed to the public. He said that. You'll be exposed. And I love him. And Whitaker, as you know, he was installed as the acting attorney general the day after the midterm elections. kind of saw this coming everyone freaked out But we're like if you listen to this show you were like yeah, and this was gonna happen And his appointment has been met with intense scrutiny top congressional Democrats wrote a letter Sunday to Lee Loftus He's the top ethics guy at main justice and he's a Trump appointee and they demanded that Whitaker recuse himself and vowed to use their newly gained power in the house to block him from interfering with it. We'll send a picture of that letter out in our weekly newsletter for you.

Representative Jerry Nadler, the soon-to-be chair of the House Judiciary Committee, so SHIFT is the Intel Committee. Nadler is the Judiciary Committee. He said he would subpoena Whitaker, if need be, to question him about his expressed hostility toward the Russia probe. And the members also threatened to attach legislation protecting Robert Mueller in the upcoming Musque Pass spending bill. Now later in the week, that's like this month guys. Later in the week Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, blah blah blah. He should just always be met with sad tube of music. We should add that little sad trombone. He doesn't deserve even a trombone. It's like sad to be able to boom. Yeah. And the tortoise in the hair he would still lose. He would. Because he's on his back. King his stupid legs that probably have chins. I don't know. Anyway, so Mitch McConnell blocked Senators Coons and Flake from bringing up

legislation to protect Mueller. And Dems have not said whether or not they'd be willing to shut down the government if that must pass spending bill is not passed because they believe they have bipartisan support for it. There's a lot of Republicans who are into this. Oh yeah. Just talked about that last week, right? Yeah.

And Collins is one of them, but I don't believe the word she says and Flake is kind of a flake. So. Have you seen that meme like with the guy that's with the girlfriend and he looks at the other chick and it's Jeff Flake, and he's all three people. That's brilliant. I have seen that meme. That's amazing.

You could also do the one, you know, where the guys sneaking up on the guy in the suit. They could both be Jeff Flake. I love it. He should be the spokesperson for head and shoulders. Image McConnell for no neck, I don't know. Chin cream. There you go. You don't even need beards. Mitch McConnell should be the spokesman for beards,

because he should have a beard to hide his no chin. Beards, what therefore? Beards brought to you by chins. Sorry for chinshaming. We're going to get in trouble. I know. Only bad people. There's so many things you could say.

Why do you have to detect their looks work? Comedians any looks funny and Sorry most importantly where comedians. Yeah, I know you know what I'm sorry. We're I'm low brow. We're not above that So that doesn't mean we go lower. It just means we're low brow. That's just where we go low. We go low brow How I was born here Born in the gutta. Anyway, what was I even talking about? Oh, McConnell, he blocked the bill, right? And so despite all the warnings, all these like all this crazy, you know,

anti-support, I guess, coming out for Whitaker, even coming from Republican side, all this just this intense scrutiny, the Department of Justice Legal Council issued a letter for Whitaker, even coming from Republican side, all this just this intense scrutiny, the Department of Justice Legal Council issued a letter saying Whitaker's appointment is allowed under the Vacancies Act. That's there that's basically in the government what happens is if you have something like a torture thing program you want to do or appointing a the masculine toilet guy, you have to get the legal counsel to sign off on it and say it's legal. Remember, we went over all that in the Komi book. And the Office of Legal Counsel, if the president, or if somebody is like breathing down their neck to make it work, you know, sometimes they'll make

it work. That doesn't work for regular government, for regular folks, you know, it takes a year and a half for shit to go through legal counsel. But the legal counsel said, it's allowed under the Vacancies Act, Whitaker's appointment, which in the Vacancies Act basically says, any senior level official in a high level position, that's a GS15 or higher. I'm a GS14, so that kind of gives you an idea of how not important you have to be.

If you're a GS15 or higher for more than 90 days, you can become the acting AG. And many times argue the constitutionality of that, of the vacancies act, because the AG is a principal officer, and the constitution clearly states that the principal officers must be confirmed by the Senate. And as of this recording, Whitaker has indicated he does not intend to recuse, and he's also saying

that he will not cut the Mueller budget. So who knows? I, like I've said a million times, I think the only reason he's there is to get info on the Mueller investigation to give to Trump. I think that's the only reason he's there. Oh yeah.

When they asked if he was gonna cut it, he's like, what budget? Oh, smooth, whatever, smooth. Nice. When asked about the Attorney General appointment this week, the Washington Post interviewed Trump, and Trump pulled another Lester Holt this week. This was big news, and it just sort of went by because he just says so many dumb things,

and I think that's kind of his MO. He's like, I'm going to say so many dumb things, then when I say dumb illegal things, no, we'll notice. Yeah. But when he was asked about, and you remember when Trump was asked about the firing of Comey during the interview with Lester Holt, and he said, you know, this whole Russia thing, this thing with Russia, you know, when he did that whole thing, he was on my mind when I fired Komi, basically. And then he told a couple of Russians in the Oval Office that he had the Russia thing

office back because he fired Komi. Well, in an interview this week with the Washington Post, Trump did the exact same thing. He was asked about Whitaker, because he's temporary, and when Whitaker's done whether or not he was going to appoint Chris Christie, maybe Chris Christie could become his permanent nominee to Attorney General. And Trump replied by saying the Russia investigation should never have been had. It should never have been had. He repeated that a couple times, And he just talked about Russia.

And the Washington Post guy was like, oh, okay. Didn't ask him about Russia, but thank you for that. And I could say, you could tell by the reporter's response, even though it's just a written interview, you could tell they were like, holy shit. And I can just see fucking Mueller like, stop obstructing justice so I could finish my

report. Like, he has to keep adding on it's like me trying to wrap the news up at the end of the week like, stop news, stop. And yeah, I can't just can't imagine Mueller like, stop. You know, cut it out, I got to finish my report. He's got a family to get back to, Trump, come on. Stop breaking the law at home. In other Whitaker news this week, the Maryland Attorney General filed a motion piggybacking

on an existing lawsuit asking a judge to block Whitaker because his appointment doesn't follow the Department of Justice Successions Act. And they're asking the judge to order that Rosenstein be put in charge instead. They're just skipping to the cut to the chase. This isn't constitutional. You need to make Rosenstein the acting AG. And the judge could order it. The judge could so order that. And that's hilarious to me.

This motion is tied to a lawsuit filed in September against Jeff Sessions, the racist possum, defending parts of the Affordable Care Act. And since Sessions is the racist possum, defending parts of the Affordable Care Act. And since Sessions is no longer Attorney General, these guys are asking the judge to rule on a successor as a defendant in order for that case to proceed. And they're saying Whitaker cannot be that defendant because Whitaker said the Supreme Court ruling upholding the ACA was one of the worst rulings in the court's history. So that's a kind of a conflict of interest.

So we'll keep you posted on the ruling in this case as we get updates. But apparently this is happening in hundreds of cases across the country. People who've been suing Jeff Sessions are saying we can't use Whitaker as a defendant. You have to then so there could be a hundred court cases asking judges. And any one of them could say, yeah, you're right, I'm making Rosenstein the attorney general. So it's just interesting or acting attorney general, I should say because of the Successions Act and the Constitution saying that this is a principal officer, it has to be confirmed by the Senate and Rosenstein has been

confirmed by the Senate. No one really, it's just amazing that he's not the acting AG all like by default. Yeah, I think 2019 will be an interesting year with all these cases coming out. Oh, it should be super fantastic. I'm very excited. Yeah, I don't really understand why Rosenstein also had to go because it's like you're getting rid of one person, not every decision that they've ever made and all the people they've ever appointed. You know, like if, if whatever. I don't know. Yeah. Secretary of State or something gets replaced. Does this entire cabinet also go away too? Yeah, no.

That's weird. Also Tuesday, CNN sued the White House over Trump revoking Jim Acosta's hard press pass because of that doctorate video incident where a female staffer tried to grab, she's not an intern, she's an actual staffer. I think she's an associate principal assistant deputy communications director. She's like an aide to an aide to an aide for the communications department. She tried to grab the microphone away from Jim Acosta and that's my new boyfriend, by the way.

And later in the, sorry, McCabe, you can be on weekends. But later in the week, a judge ruled in favor of CNN and reinstated a costus pass along with granting him a restraining order that he filed against a White House. So I'm not sure how that works. Yeah, they can cancel out. Is he going to stand outside? Like the White House can't come within 500 yards of me. I don't understand how that works. That's funny. Can America ask for a restraining order against Trump? That would be great, right? Like, I feel a little threatened.

Incredibly threatened. It's important to note, though, and I want to make sure that this is clear. That ruling was not about the First Amendment, as Sarah Huckabee Sanders said. She's like, the First Amendment, and the Conface. It's not about, she got nothing to do with the First Amendment. They didn't even touch of conface. It's not about, it's got nothing to do with the first amendment. They didn't even touch the first amendment. It was ruled on the fifth amendment, which is due process. And basically what happened is they revoked his press pass. He had already had access to the White House.

No one is saying everybody deserves access to the White House. The guy who already had access to the White House, had that credential revoked without due process. And that's what the judge reinstated it. And I guess the restraining order probably disallows them from taking it again unless the due process is followed. Or it could be from the mic chick she can't get with us.

So that's just got the 500 feet of him. You see the SNL sketch? Yeah, it's definitely strong. That's like one of my favorite sketches in a long time. It's so good with her up and down, maybe, and the thing. She's so good with her up and down kitty and the thing. She's trying to tager make her head. It takes her pencil.

And she's a pet. Sessley Strong is the jam. And then their doctor video. Yeah. Yeah, so amazing. It's so good with the kick and the fall off the cliff. And the big animated punching hand with the boxing glove. Oh my God.

If you haven't seen it, we're not doing it just as you got to go watch it. There was a lot of Roger Stonehenge news this week, and I'll go over that in hot notes. But I wanted to discuss the history with Stone and his election protests in light of what happened in Florida this week. And joining us today to discuss Roger Stone's long con into election stealing is the author of the newsletter called Popular Information. Please welcome Judd Legham. Judd, welcome to Mueller, she wrote.

Thanks for having me. No problem. We appreciate you coming on today. So this week we saw protests down in Florida, mostly angry right wingers demanding to put eyes on the recount and we saw Matt Gates down there demanding to be led into the building and they were chanting lock her up in reference to the female registrar of voters which sounded eerily familiar to us. And we're looking at the deployment of a strategy. Are we looking at the deployment

of a strategy that went unused in the 2016 election. Yeah, Roger students started this political action committee stop the steel in preparation for the 2016 election. He was also going to conduct his own exit polls so that he could prove that Trump had actually won. This was all assuming that Hillary was gonna win, and then effectively claim that the election was illegitimate.

Now, as we know, we didn't need to use that, but he's kind of had it on tap since that time, and now it's become more useful for him. So he's unrolling the playbook. Even as he really becomes the focal point of the Mueller investigation and his ties to WikiLeaks seem to be really where a lot of the action is. So it's interesting that he still thinks that it's a good time to deploy these kind of tactics. Right, you're right. He's kind of a fulcrum for almost the entire,

at least one side of the Mueller investigation, Manafort and all that being the other, but I think they all have their hands on the pot. And he said he's gonna be indicted His associate Corsi Jerome Corsi has has said on his Wildly popular radio show that he he thinks he's gonna be indicted and and now in just last night We got that accidental copy and paste filing error about Julian Assange and wiki leaks

Being charged or being already charged under seal. We still don't have too many details forth coming about that as the Department of Justice hasn't really commented, neither has the Mueller investigation. But I do remember back in 2016, when Trump was at his rallies, he was kind of paving the way, like sort of setting the scene about the election being rigged. And if it, if he lost, it's because it was rigged. And that he even went as far I think, didn't he say that he was not going to concede the election if he lost?

Yeah, I think he was hinting at that. I don't know if he said it outright because I don't know if he was ready to concede. He was definitely going to lose. I certainly don't think he was planning on winning by setting up the idea that the election was rigged. And of course, even after he won, he claimed the election was rigged. And of course, even after he won, he claimed the election was rigged and that Billionth of Illegal People voted. He was actually the rightful victor of the popular vote as well.

But I think Roger Stone thinks that everyone is really dumb. He seemed to know at all the key points, exactly what was happening, what was going to happen. He repeatedly bragged about his back channels and discussions with WikiLeaks and all sorts of formats, both publicly and then in emails that have come out as this investigation progressed. And his explanations are incredible. I mean, he's basically just saying, Oh, that was just the joke. I was just kind of puffy, you know, puffy up everything. And I think the walls are close even on him finally.

Yeah. And and it kind of, he almost Trump almost sort of shoots himself in the foot on this if he tries to use this as a defense because he could say that the fact that Stone set up this pack and we were planning on losing proves that I didn't think I would win. If I thought I wasn't going to win, how could I think I wasn't going to win if I colluded with the Russians? But in that admission, he's basically saying, we were planning on fighting it and setting up all these paid protests. And he would have revealed their plan on how to do the whole stop the steel and employ the superpack and deploy that idea of Roger Stone.

So it's a double-edged sword for him. So I appreciate you coming on today and having this discussion. It's been really enlightening. Everyone you can subscribe to Judd's newsletter. It's called Popular Information. It's a newsletter about politics for people who give a damn. You can find it at popular.info and definitely follow him on Twitter at Judd Lugum. Judd, thanks for being with us today on Mollarshi Road. Thanks for having me. It was fun. with us today on Mueller she wrote. Thanks for having me, it was fun. Then on Wednesday, George Conway, the third,

and I shouldn't make fun of thirds because Robert Swanmuller is the third, Kellyanne Conway's husband, his odd husband, I call her the odd husband, or him, I should say, sorry, George Conway, he created a group, a little group of folks called Chex and Balances, and he did this the day before the Federalist Society met this week. Conway has been an open critic of Trump, not Kellyanne, but George, and recently argued against the constitutionality of the birthright citizenship thing and the appointment of Matthew

Fucking Whitaker, not being constitutional. And this new group includes Tom Ridge, former governor of Pennsylvania Peter Kessler a former acting attorney general under Bush several law professors legal professors and the wife of the current president of the federalist society That's funny Mr. Conway was a long time member of the federalist society federalist society is one who puts a list of you know Judges that are going to overturn Ro v Wade, puts that list together. So that's who the Federalist Society is super conservative. So Conway was a member of the Federalist Society,

but he warns that there are conservative lawyers that have sold their souls for judges and regulatory reform. And he feels the need to be a voice for speaking out against that, and also that encourages others to do the same, other conservatives. So it's a safe space guys. He made a safe space. And like a very interesting marriage.

Yeah. Yeah. It reminds me of the Carvillian. Yeah, it's Carvillian. That's a great way to put it. Mine is the same way. Mine has been the way hotter than George Conway though. Just saying.

Are we allowed to agree with that? I wonder, like, I'm like, yeah, good for you. I put it on. Yeah, he's a dashing young chap. Yes. Young? I don't know about that. He's got a young, uh, he's, he's a lot of energy to me.

He has a beard. He knows what beards are for. He's hipster like, yes. Also this week, Mueller and Manafort's lawyers asked for a 10-day extension to give the court their update on the cooperation agreement. This report was due Friday, but they asked to be given until November 26th. I think Muller wants to wait until he indicts Stone and Friends.

Sounds like a show. Stone and Friends. Like Barney, but for adult criminals. It's adult criminals. The adult criminals exactly. Still just as weird looking, but adult criminals. Oh yeah. But yeah, I think Mueller wants to wait until he indict stone before he provides a public report showing how Manafort helped the Russia investigation because he doesn't want to tip anyone off, right? He doesn't want to release a report to the courts saying, yeah, a

man of four it gave us stone before he indicts stone. We reported on this a while back when Crazy Ass Honey Badger Judge Ellis asked for a report illustrating how helpful Man of Four has been and he wanted them to name the people he helped can he's helped convict. And I think Mueller thought Trump would have handed in his answers on collusion before Friday as well But he didn't and I don't think Mueller wants to finish his indictment without those Because I think that Trump is going to be an unnamed co-conspirator An unindicted co-conspirator unnamed. Well, that will know it's him like we did in the Cohen

plea Where guilty? Yeah, guilty plea like we did in the Cohen plea or guilty, yeah, guilty plea. Well, no, we'll know who it is. They'll be like, it'll say the current president of the United States, I just won't name him, but he will be an unadided Coke and spiriter in these documents. And he can't get that in there until Trump hands

in his questions. So because Trump has been slow rolling this, Mueller asked for the extension. And he hadn't, so he can't. Okay, I'll get to a timeline in a second. But the Gates sentencing was also moved to January 15th. So all kinds of delays, as Mueller wraps up this part of the investigation, that's conjecture.

And I'm going to go over this in more detail later in the show, but I think that that's the order in which things have to happen for Mueller. Trump has to turn his homework in first, and then Mueller indicts for crimes of collusion, and then he can file his Manafort report to the court. No more rhymes now, I mean it! Anybody want me to feel it? Yeah! So I don't know what do you guys think?

Yeah, I agree, that makes sense. It's like Manafort's such a key person in all of this. I can't imagine he would release anything that's going to tip anybody off until some of the biggest parts of this investigation are done. Yeah, and there's probably stuff in future indictments that aren't even going to be in the stone indictments. And he's like, in fact, in the court filing to push it back 10 days, Mueller's like, I think you'll be very impressed with what we can give you if you just give us 10 more days.

And so, and Mueller fought that too. Like, I can't remember how many weeks ago it was when Crazy Ass Honey Badger asked him for the info. He's like, I can't give it to you. These are open and ongoing investigations, man. I can't tip anybody off. But I really honestly think that once Trump turns in his collusion homework, no collusion,

it's just that, it's just that. And it's all wrong. And it's all wrong. And so once he hands that in, Muller can incorporate it into the indictments. He'll be an unindicted co-conspirator. I think this will come back to Trump. I think the Stone indictments will come back to Trump either through Bannon or Don Junior or both.

And all those people will be indicted. And then he can turn in Manafort, things saying saying, here you go man, he helped us get all these. Because he brought us banning. And then Manifort got him stone, and then he's going to use stone to get Trump. So that's how I see it going. Yeah, that makes sense to me. It's... ... ...

It's... This is Spencer's K-Way. We all look like mere cats popping up our microphones because everyone was waiting for me to cough. It's like the beat about to drop. That was great. 25-11. That was funny. And it was a bit...

... ... Sorry, too many frogs in the throats. It's Santa Anna's, man, they're killing me. Oh, man. Yeah. White people problems. Um, are we back yet? Yeah, go ahead.

Okay. I don't know if we ever left. Yeah, yeah, that's true. We can just keep that up. We didn't keep it up. We didn't keep it up. Yeah. All right.

Well, all I was going to say is this crazy how Stone is turning out to be sort of the crux of all of this because there's so many webs that go to him is such a turning, just a key. Yeah, kinda makes you forget about Flynn, like what was Flynn even for? Yeah. Flynn, who?

I totally forgot for a minute. You're like, there's a whole other side of this whole thing and then the whole Xamal, Eric Prince, St. Shell stuff, and then the whole, you know, but Cohen's tied into that with the Prague things. And then there's Papa, like, it's crazy, but Stone, and I have to say, I agree with you, Jordan, because the two cases that Mueller's hung on to

are Stone and Manafort. That means that those are probably the two most consequential cases in the Russia probe and he's handed off the rest and he's trying to keep scope nice and narrow so that no one can poke holes in it. He'd be a good guy now. Alright. And I don't know how I got there. I'm like, scoped, narrow. Well, Mueller is just comforting, I guess. Okay, there we go. Yeah, assuming you're narrow.

Yeah, yeah. Dr. Mueller. Dr. Mueller, G-Wood Dream, gynecologist. Sorry, what? I don't know. I, my brain's broken, guys, I'm sorry. No, no. I feel like stone, you know how there are people that want to be martyrs and, you know,

they're revolutionary and it's like, if I'm going to die, I'm dying in a fire of just as he martyred him. I feel like that's how stone feels. Yeah. Like, it's like he wants to die on this hill. And he so badly wants to be relevant. That's his whole life is just him wanting to be relevant in the cause of something that people are talking about. He doesn't care if it's true. He just doesn't know I think about Jacob Wool too.

Yeah, he just wants to be relevant. Better good, infamous or not. Right, what was that stone quote? It's like it's better to be, I don't know, something that's basically, it's better to be infamous than to like, no one knows how to do it at all. But I don't think fade away.

I don't know what it's like. Unless it's better to be infamous than to like no one knows that you would all- They burn out and fade away. I don't know what it's like. Unless it's raining. We'll talk about that later. That's great. Also, there's a week in an article by The Washington Post about there was a judge basically this week who refused to dismiss Mueller's case against Putin's chef, Yvesgene-Pregulian.

Oh, thanks. I've been in the position. I'm in the position, my accent there. But yeah been, I've been polishing, polishing my, uh, accent there. No, but yeah, that was a big story, right? The judge dismissed, because the, that whole Concord management or whatever it was called, they were like, uh, you know, in the F. G. Any precautions, like we, we wanted to dismiss case. And the judge said no.

And so it can continue. Every single time that, that Mueller has been, um, challenged, Mueller has won. So whatever he's doing, it's working. But in buried in that story, there's a mention about Rudy Giuliani who hasn't spoken up much recently. And he said that Trump's written questions are legally problematic. Some of them are legally problematic for Trump. Stop breaking the law, asshole. As of the recording of this show, Trump has yet to hand them in. I think he knows once he hands them in, this shit's gonna hit the fan. Friday, Trump had an impromptu press conference where he said he answered all the questions by himself, which is absurd. He did the same thing. What a dick. There's

no way his lawyers would let him write answers to those questions. He also called some of the questions, perjury traps. And I have to say, I'm really sick of the term. They've been saying it over and over again. It's absolutely meaningless, like deep state. It has no meaning. Perjury traps catch perjurers. Okay, that's the end of story. Yeah. And then he he tried to go on to give an example about it, about what a perjury trap question is like, and he talks about how being asked about the weather, and if it's sunny, and then if you say it's not raining, and you don't say it's sunny,

you could be charged with perjury. Like he's an expert on going out in the rain in the first place. Like shut up about the rain. And what in the hell are you talking about? He is losing his mind. Did you see him talking about the fires and how we just hell are you talking about? He is losing his mind. Did you see him talking about the fires and how we just forgot to rake our leaves and that's why California burned down? He is insane. He's scrambling, yeah. Either that or he's actually the

syphilis is taking hold. I think he might have dementia caused by syphilis. That's way space beans. Guys, super 10 foil, beanie level right there. Yeah, that's not reported anywhere at all. I have nothing intuition, nothing to back that up. That is just my feeling about the man. Now, back's just the facts. And if you do think you might have sephilis, go get it checked. It's treatable.

It's treatable. It's free at the clinic, at the Blan Parenthood clinic, and you will not get dementia. But it can lead to dementia. It happened to what's his face, car face. That's right. That's right. You went nuts because of syphilis. Yeah.

This episode's brought to you by Planned Parenthood. Get checked. As you may have heard, Trump has hold up in the shite house this week. And that's a typo, and I'm leaving it. We've heard reports that he's really angry and very sad. He didn't go to the 100th anniversary of the armistice when he was in France.

He didn't visit the graves of the veterans while he was there. Nor did he visit Arlington on Veterans Day, because it was raining. Trump said he didn't want to cause traffic, but Arlington is literally two minutes away. You can see Arlington from the White House. We started a hashtag on Twitter, hashtag unless it's raining, where you take a famous quote and add unless it's raining at the end. And we got a lot of good ones including, wait, I gotta to get my accent right. We choose to go to the moon and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, unless it's raining.

And of course, do not go gentle into that good night, rage rage against the dying of the light, unless it's raining. And my, well, not yet my favorite, but this one was good. Not though the soldiers knew someone had blundered. There's not to make reply. There's not to reason why. There's but to do and die. Unless it's raining. And my favorite was Yoda. Do or do not. There is no try. Unless raining it is. Well done. So good. I figured my friends are making Star Wars would love that. Now this is podcast. I love our Mallory Chunky. They're so clever. So good. I figured my friends would be making Star Wars with Love That. Now, this is podcasted.

I love our Mallorjanki. They're so clever. They are. And go check out their thread. That thread. There's hundreds of really great quotes. Tag us that Mallorjee wrote. Use the hashtag unless it's raining.

It's really fun. The Yodavoy Swal has been traumatizing to me because I had a small job teaching SAT prep classes last year. And they tell us they're like like try to engage your students by talking in a funny accent and then like one of the workbook questions they're like all right ask someone from the class to read a question in a Yoda accent and then of course no one wanted to hear so I'm like okay I will I like how they call it an accent yeah like like it's like it's local it just didn't pay off at all I was like oh they're gonna dig a botox like that. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, man

They just looked at me like in horrified and bear so much of 16 year olds. This is Turkey. I'm like Bob went through the store. He did Poor kids are promised He doesn't speak in SAT. He's grammatically incorrect. Well, that's the point. That's why it's Yoda because he speaks not like they want you to speak. Well, in any case, Trump's been in a very bad mood. Steven Bacheloss, presidential historian and MSNBC contributor said he thinks that it could be because Whitaker read him in on the Mueller investigation.

Or it might have to do with the fact that he had to work, do work for three days on the Mueller questions. That's probably the most work he's ever done in his whole life. In fact, then I started thinking, in fact, the only work he's probably ever done is working on depositions and lawsuits and defending himself in legal matters. Yeah.

I don't think it's the elections, as I mentioned in the interview with Josh Leggum, because I don't think he cares about anybody but himself. So, you know, what is it? What's up, you crock punk? And if any of you know where that clip comes from, I will be super impressed. But I don't know what do you guys think? Why is Trump pissed at the furniture? Why is he so mad? Like, he's extra mad.

Like, everyone's like always mad, but like people around him have said he is now mad at everything he's extra pissed. Post midterms anger perhaps no because he probably was not betting on actually losing he seems like the kind of guy who maybe didn't want to win the presidency but when he does want to win the election because it wasn't about him well I mean just in general like I know in the past like we've discussed that he maybe didn't want to win his election but with the midterms it seemed like he actually did want to win no I don't you know think so he didn't he midterms, it seemed like he actually did want to win. No, I don't. You know, think so. He didn't. He wasn't running. Well, he seemed like he

made the party to win the Republican party. I don't think he cares about the Republican party, but I think what you're getting at, I think what would be, what is a good point that you're making is that he had all those rallies before the midterms, where everyone loves him. Yeah. And he, and he's got all this wonderful attention from the tiny little rural places that he went. And now he doesn't have any more. He's alone in the way. How's he has PMS? He has post midterm syndrome.

Oh, I like that. Yeah, I also think this is just by far the worst place he's been in as a president since he's been in office. And he's losing control more and more and more. And he's psychotic. And anyone that's an authoritarian person losing control is gonna make them go insane. Yeah, like when you corner a sick animal or whatever. Let's see here Wednesday. We're all on the on Wednesday. This is a long show you guys.

I told you seriously get go off for a walk. You will burn like 900 calories. Wednesday we a guest we've had on our podcast was arrested and booked on felony assault charges. Michael Avonati posted $50,000 bail, and he's awaiting his first court appearance. And I don't care. I don't want to hear about it. I was trounced on Twitter for asking Avanati to explain himself by like rabid, diehard Avanati fans for even hinting that he might be guilty because he was arrested. Of course, Jacob Wol and Surefire Intelligence, who tried to frame Mueller for sexual assault, took credit for the arrest, so the whole thing stinks.

But I do not have an opinion on his guilt either way. I want to hear from the victim. I believe the women first. And I want to wait to hear more about the facts before I make a judgment about whether this was a frame job or not. But holy hell, you Avonati fans are vicious. I asked Twitter what we should call Avenatti, vicious, Avenatti, rabid fans. And we got, let's see, we got Avenudders.

That's cute. That's cute. Bosta Bros. Bostards. That one's hard to discern though in text. It's, it's, it's good in writing because you could like maggots and AGA all capital with little T.S. You could do B.A. S. T.A. and all capitals with R.D.S.

at the end, but saying it, Boster, Boster, it's hard to say. Avanazze was one. And Bostafarians. That's my favorite one. And I think Bostafarians is my favorite, because I don't think we should attribute the Nazi word to people unless they're actually acting like Nazis. But y'all need to chill, the fuck out. I don't think we should attribute the Nazi word to people unless they're actually acting like Nazis

But y'all need to chill the fuck out. I don't know if he did it, but the dude is a douche unfollow me if you want to marry him. I don't care Also Wednesday lawyers in an immigration case have asked for the Trump apprentice tapes and Jelisa will go over that later in the show Then in this week's installment of beans come true Let's take a listen to what I had to say about Kashoggi as he relates to the Turkish cleric, Gulin. What's important to note that in 2016 Saudi Arabia basically exiled Kashoggi for talking trash on Trump. So there's a motive.

And another note to this story, just this week Turkey released Brunson, one of our guys that they've had for So there's a motive. And another note to this story, just this week, Turkey released Brunson, one of our guys that they've had for a while, a pastor. I'm not sure if they're trying to curry favor with Trump or making some sort of trade, but I'd be very interested to see what happens with Gulen in the coming weeks. He's the Turkish cleric that Erdogan tried to give

Michael Flynn $15 million to Kidnap and extradite to Turkey. So I'm not sure what yet. I'm not sure what the motive is, but Trump is a very transactional man. Well, just like we said, it's reported this week that Trump had asked for options to legally remove Gulen from the United States to extradite him to Turkey, where he would no doubt be tortured and killed. And the crazy thing is, is that Trump asked these questions of his National Security Council about a month ago when we were saying that he would. So Trump is clearly trying to appease Erdogan so that he will lay off Mahabha Bonsa in

the murder of Kashoggi, heavy squid pro-crow. Then the CIA determined Friday that the murder of Kashoggi was directly ordered by Mahabha Bonsa or Mahabha Bonsa Salman. In Bissa we call him. And while sanctions have been enacted, they haven't been enacted against MBS, nor has Trump said he would pull the arms deal. So we'll keep you posted. But I ran in satari state. Yeah. Also this week, another 30 page document was filed in the mystery Mueller subpoena battle, but no additional details were forthcoming.

We talked about this last week or the week before I think it was last week. There's a, you know, the Andrew Miller case is working its way through the courts back and forth. Andrew Miller had to not hold himself in contempt. I always say that, but basically ask the court to hold him in contempt so that he could appeal and they want to challenge Mueller's constitutionality in the DC circuit court, which is considered the second highest court in the land. Well, there's a second sealed subpoena battle going on.

Some people were positing it with Trump. Some people were saying it was junior. I thought it was a Randy Cretico. We don't know. There's still no information on it, but a 30 page report was filed in that case this week. It's going to the DC court, I think, December. And pop it up a list news. His old lawyers finally filed divorce papers, legally ending their

relationship. But even weirder, pop-a-dops new lawyers are seeking an order for a continuance of his bail, pending the outcome of Andrew Miller's case asserting it would directly impact the validity of pop-a-dopulous's conviction and prosecution. So basically, he wants to wait to see if the judge finds that Mueller should never have been appointed and he's unconstitutional because then maybe pop-adopolis could have his conviction stayed. That's stupid. Good luck with that.

Yeah, but he wants to wait to go to jail because he's a baby. I want to see the light of day one more time. What a toad. We'll be right back. This episode of Mullershi Road is brought to you by Zola. Zola is reinventing the wedding registry and planning process to make the happiest moments in couples lives even happier.

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Oh, yeah. So I wonder too, should I do this in Rachel Manorisms or just go right through it? No, I'll just go right through it. Okay, and explain, is that your Instagram handle? It's my Instagram handle. It's my Snapchat handle. And I was just thinking this is rapper named Hoodie Allen and it's like a Amash to Woody

Allen. And I was like, what kind of like fun thing could I think of? And then after a lot of dumb ideas, Rachel Maddow just stood out. So I like it. I just think it's, it just feels right. It works at Rachel Maddow. There we go. Yeah. Yeah. So on Wednesday, the Washington Post published an article by Alana Richard called Lawyer's Seek of Prentice Tapes and Trump Immigration Suit. So here's what we need to know. A group of civil rights lawyers are suing Trump for his

decision to end special protections shielding certain immigrants from deportation. So they've already issued subpoenas to MGM holdings incorporated and Trump productions LLC demanding that any footage shot during the production of the Apprentice and what imprentice in which Trump quote uses racial and or ethnic slurs or makes remarks concerning race, nationality and or ethnic background should be released. So their hope is that by publicizing the unared footage, they can prove that Trump has a history of racial bias and was likely racially motivated in his political decision-making regarding this immigration law now. I know which was good.

Yeah, because we don't really need to look at old tapes. Like I mean, make a bolster and maybe add to the giant pile of racists, she's already said. Yeah, along with his tweets from last week I'm sure it's also like maybe they should have looked at this before he got elected president America Definitely definitely that's our bad. So yeah, and your first announcement shouldn't be that Mexicans are rapists Oh, I'm running for president exactly. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, so look pass an immigration bill buddy Mm-hmm. This is where we are. This is what we deserve. So I get it

My personal theory is is not so much of the public will be outraged by this tape, but that we can use, you know, his race is rhetoric in the court of law and get cases like this stacked against him in the argument for impeachment or something similar with this new house. So we know that Omarosa and Michael Cohen have already gone on the record claiming that these tapes exist and insists that they've heard Trump make races remarks towards African-Americans such as using the inward. Now, is this whole thing about impeachment as that your conjecture? That's just me. That's a personal theory. Yeah, yeah. Thank you for making that clarification. So basically, Trump denies this, of course, and he says that he

quote, does not have that word in his vocabulary and never has, which is already suspicious to me. Just personally, I just feel like you're gonna tell me that you're a rich white man who was born in the 1950s and you never use the in word. I'm just not convinced. I feel like even my woke white friends today have used the in word every now and then. Just mainly to remember what it feels like to say it

or just to wrap along to their favorite hip-hop song. Yeah, no, yeah. Basically to sing with Missy Elliott, but really that's about it. Yeah, yeah, and. Basically, just sing with Missy Elliott, but like, really, that's about it. Yeah, yeah. And I totally respect that. Or read the song, Sawyer. Absolutely. I've said my fair share of, of, you know, things out loud just to fill the rush. It's in his vocabulary. It's gotta be. He hates black people. He's just Central Park Five. His dad kicked him out of the park. He's totally hates black people. Things they're stupid. He thinks they're low

IQ. He thinks that they're lazy. He thinks they're thieves. And they're stupid. He thinks they're low IQ. He thinks that they're lazy. He thinks they're thieves. And the thieves, thieves, thieves. Yeah, yeah. No, you're right, though. This is Trump's obvious. And to say that he, dude, only has 12 words in his vocabulary. One of them is an N word.

And we all know it. Yes. You're absolutely right. So I just, yeah, I don't trust anyone that says and never said the N word, especially someone like him. But to the lawsuit, this particular case filed in Boston focuses on Trump's decision to in-temporary protected status for thousands of immigrants from Haiti, El Salvador, and Honduras. And temporary protected status provides a

safe haven for people from countries experiencing armed conflicts, natural disasters, and other challenges. So this group called Lawyers for Civil Rights says in the lawsuit that Trump's decision to rescind the program was deeply rooted in his known hatred for immigrants of color. Yeah, maybe the whole country is the thing will come into play too. Yeah, you think? They even cited comments he made on the campaign troll like you were saying, AG, and Well in office.

So attorney, Orrin Nimney, said in a written statement that, quote, access to these video tapes will help further demonstrate that defendant Trump holds racially by his views that impact his policy and decision making. And the Sapienes they issued also seek any relevant outtakes or audio clips, transcripts, or anything just made during the production of the apprentice.

Yeah, be roll. Oh, yeah, that's sweet be roll. Be roll with the N word. Yeah, they call it enrol on the apprentice. That's hilarious, AG. Wow, stupid. Brilliant, brilliant. You're too kind.

I love it. In July, a federal judge denied Trump's request to throw out this lawsuit and reject it, the administration's bid to remove Trump as a defendant in the case. Nice try, Satan. And in a related case last month, a federal judge in California issued a temporary injunction that bars Trump from ending the protections stating that there's evidence that the president quote harbors and

Anonymous against is it animus? Yes against non-whites non-European aliens which influenced his decision to end the TPS designation. Yep non-European aliens. Yes, very formal way to say that's racist. Yeah. So, animus. Yes, animus. Yeah, that's a good one. I like it.

They essentially cited with the lawyers for civil rights group on this one. However, Trump and his administration is appealing that ruling. So we'll put some beans on that. He's won some rulings in the past, so I'm not holding my breath. But as far as the apprentice tapes themselves,

the pressure is definitely on for the producers to release any unair footage. In GM, which owns the tape, says that they can't release them due to contractual obligations. Specifically, the shows producer Mark Bernad said he doesn't have the ability or the right to release the footage, which makes me believe that the tapes do exist and have not been erased.

Yeah, so who does have the right to release the footage? Exactly. And the fact that it's called the footage, and who owns the contract, somebody has the right to release the footage. Yeah, it's all gonna come back to Jacobal. I know it. I just know it.

Sure, fire and tell it to you. Yeah, it's like, MGM can definitely do that. I mean, cause it's like, I don't know. If you're subpoenaed, you actually have to release that shit. Yeah, you actually. You actually technically do. It doesn't even matter. Like even health records, even private stuff that's good under the privacy act of it's subpoenaed. It has to be released. Yeah, they're pushing it.

They're pushing it just under seal and stuff like that. But I think in this case, it would be a public court proceeding. And we would all hear about it. Yeah, I can't wait until it finally gives. So just to wrap it up, I feel like if Mark Burnett knew what was good for him, he would probably hold on to these tapes and use him as leverage against Trump. So just like Cohen did, you know, maybe that's what he's waiting for.

But he has to release something. Yeah, at some point. Especially with court order. Yeah, yeah. So right now, shit might be hitting the fan, considering that everyone wants their hands on these tapes. Former contestant on the apprentice, who accused Trump of unwanted groping and kissing

has also requested footage in court, and the subpoena issued in May by summer servoces attorney requested tapes in court. And Tom Arnold even has that little show on Bryce Landicoat, the hunt for the Trump tapes. So I feel like this shit is obviously going mainstream and I can't imagine that Trump is happy about it. So basically, we don't know whether or not

any of these individuals have received the tapes yet, but that's just where we are with that story for now. Cool. Thank you. Racial Maddo. The Shini Part 2 is, none of his base would even care. No. Right, right. They didn't care about Posey Grabbing.

They're not gonna care about the N word. Yeah, but the politicians and with the pressure from the people I do care, I feel like we might be able to use it against him. Well, not in a peach. I don't think it's an impeachable offense, but can't look good to you though. I'm hoping that I just don't think you can redraft it in articles of impeachment. But what it can do is that all of those suburban districts that voted Democrat in the midterm

will get more suburban districts because I don't think suburban women, you know, those 53% of white women voters that voted for Trump. I think that that would take a huge cut if this kind of stuff comes out. And there might be at that point some of the evangelicals who that might be their line. I don't know though if grabbing Bipusse is not the line. That could be. They might need more. They could face intense They might need more.

They could face intense scrutiny from black voters. And that is the black caucus has a lot of leverage. And so it could do some political damage. I, there's nothing illegal about it. Right, right, good points though. But it does bolster their case in why he shouldn't be able to rule on immigration from non-European aliens. Definitely. I think. Cool. Cool report. Thank you. Thank you. And now.

Dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun. Alright Jordan, what do you have for us about the skating report on Facebook this week? Yes. I just want you all to know it took a long time trying to come up with a good title something about Zuckerberg and fuckerburg and iceberg and it's I've landed on that secretary. I just want you to know I tried and Here we go The effort is important yeah, you're right. You're all gonna appreciate that right guys listeners patrons. Yeah, there was effort. Yes. Thank you All right, so We know so much. Huh, I think so. Thank you. I think so too, but I'm biased obviously. So my own desperate need for validation.

But so the story came out this week that details pretty much everything and every way that Facebook has reacted to the revelation that people's, you know, data has been stolen, it's been sold off to Cambridge Analytica, it's played a large role in the Trump campaign and Russia's act of infiltrating US elections and influencing voters. So there's a whole, this whole thing is just going to basically be about how their main overarching approach has been to deny and deflect and try to sweep stuff under the rug essentially. That might be unfair to say in general, but you be the you be the decider the decider maker. What? The decider maker. Why did I

braid not hear? I like decider maker. Decider maker. We smoked a little bit of weed. I'm gonna get one on. I forgot. All right. Okay, here we go. I promised Decider Maker. I worked hard on this, so I promise it's gonna be good. All right, so. So, yeah, a piece gets published as an in-depth look at Facebook's role in

containing and transparently reporting data security breaches that enabled the Russians to successfully infiltrate the minds of U.S. voters in the 2016 election. Basically, Facebook execs were at war with one another on how to handle the divulgence of what was happening. In a September 2017 meeting, security chief Alex Stamos, or is it Stamos? Stamos, is it John's brother? God, I don't know. The less hot one, because how much, you know, he's going to go with Stamos. Stamos is it John's brother? God. I don't know. The less hot one because how much you know, I'm gonna go with stamos. Yeah It's called Uncle Jesse Uncle Jesse got chewed out by Facebook CEO Cheryl

Sandberg for admitting that Facebook had not yet fully gotten a handle on the Russian interference That was happening on their network Sandberg was absolutely livid saying that Stamos had thrown them all under the bus by essentially admitting that they didn't have their shit together yet. Zuckerberg and Sandberg had chosen to deflect the blame instead and mass the problem when news came out about Cambridge Analytica receiving all of that data. According to insiders at the company,

by the way, this article comes from over 50 different sources of people that are lawyers, employees, you name it. According to these insiders, the two hadn't diligently worked on cybersecurity at the company and generally would pass off cybersecurity matters to subordinates with little oversight. When outrage erupted by the public, they embarked on a smear campaign essentially against their online critics. They even paid a Republican Oppo research group

to discredit activist protesters, linking them to George Soros. I heard about that. It was like Tim, something rather, who was a frequent guest on Podsave, and Podsave caught a bunch of shit for that. Did you guys hear about that? I did not hear about that.

Yeah, Podsave caught a bunch of shit for employing that guy. Basically, Podsave wanted to have a Republican opposition voice sometimes to come in on their podcast. Well, it turns out that guy was part of that PR firm that tried to help Facebook. And everyone got mad at Potsave and I'm like, look, if you're going to be cool and have a Republican voice on your podcast, do you expect them not to be embroiled in some bullshit? Yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean, and that's kind of like we're getting shit on Twitter right now for us being on Facebook and using Facebook as its tool because of what, you know, we're going to talk about right

now. And then it's like, I don't know. People will talk about us on Facebook when you're when you're when you're done there because I want to talk about that. Okay, cool. Yeah, and so another thing that that PR firm was doing, they were lobbying Jewish civil rights groups to label some of the criticisms as anti-Semitic to try to get them offline. So there was some like, like there was a poster that someone had that because Zuckerberg

and Sandberg are both Jewish and there was an image that someone had made depicting them as having tentacles over reaching a large group of something that's supposed to represent a monopoly. And someone, they like, so it said that they were making some anti-Semitic gesture by putting to Jewish people, depicting them as some like corrective creature and whatever.

And mom, my space is doing okay. Yeah, they're not finding themselves in these booster seats. It's not a matter of happening. Yeah, plenty of other social media networks. Yes. Oh, yes. Just as big as Facebook.

Yeah, that's true. My my space page is pretty great. My space is where I got my start and social Facebook. Yeah, that's true. My MySpace page is pretty great. MySpace is where I got my start and social media. Yeah, me too. All about them walls. Yeah. I like the music selection with my favorite part. But the top eight would make you lose inevitably number nine.

In real life. And then they changed it to the top 12. Remember, they got their friendship zone. Number 13, Jess forgave me. Yeah. The friend zone, they increased it. Yeah, what a weird thing. Very weird. But yeah, so also, researchers from Myanmar, India,

and Germany were warning Facebook that hateful propaganda was beginning to play a role in the propagation of hurtful and very racist government propaganda and even ethnic cleansing. And Facebook virtually did nothing when they found this out and these researchers came in them. When Donald Trump posted that refugees and Muslims were a danger to America, Facebook ultimately concluded that the speech did not violate their terms and conditions and their Republican-backed Washington liaison, Joel Kaplan said that trying to restrict that

speech would cause a huge backlash on the basis of First Amendment rights and that it was best to not quote, poke the bear. In December 20, go ahead. The Trumpi bear? No. I love that. Don't make him cute. No, they're actually making one.

Have you seen it? Yeah. It is a commercial for it and everything. The Trumpi Bear, it's a bear and it's got hair, like Trump hair. And the commercial is great. There's like a big motorcycle guy, but me and Trumpi Bear go everywhere together and they're right up, hard on the street. And then like you pull, he's got a big flag attached to him that you can pull out of his back, you can unzip him and pull a flag out of his asshole.

And then, and then it's got eyebrows, and then there's a lady in the front yard like, me and Trumpy Bear are gonna make America great again. It's a real fucking commercial. It's legit a product. The Saturday Night Live commercial, which I kept thinking, and I have to watch it like three times

to make sure it wasn't. It's a legit thing you can buy. That's so funny. And it's made in China. Of course. That's perfect. I wanna know what catchphrases it says when you pull the string back.

Gator deported. And it's a bunch of enrol. Gator deported. It all is funny. Like we're the racist guy. All right, so back forward and back forwarding. Why are you saying these things? Your decider maker is off today.

Just say. It really is. I don't even, I'm so sorry. I'm not even, if I was high, these things would be funny or they're just wrong. I was talking. Yeah. Okay. Anyway, I love myself. In December, it Zuckerberg dismissed the idea that Russia had successfully used Facebook

to interfere in the US election on behalf of Trump. But Stamos had at that point already investigated the claim and found it to be backed by evidence that one, Russian accounts had been reaching out to journalists to share information pertaining to the hacked emails, and two, that Russian hackers had been probing accounts of people that were involved directly in the campaigns. So when Stamos met with Zuckerberg and Sandberg to tell them about these findings, while it kind of pived them that the can of worms were now opened by him going on this investigation without their approval essentially. Did he decide to expand the investigation and call it quote, project P for propaganda? No, I thought it was for P tapes.

They then learned that Stamos' efforts to date had only scratched the surface. Project propaganda, Pp. There you go. Hell yeah, it's perfect. As their findings grew more and more heinous, their Republican linked advisor said that if they came out with this information, the GOP would accuse them of siding with the Democrats. So that begins to ultimately influence how they're rolling out this information. If they're rolling it out at all. It sounds like Obama wondering if he's going to roll out the information on Russia interfering with the election because he didn't want to be seen as interfering with

the election or being anti-Republican. Absolutely, except he's trying to do it in the name of the country while the others are trying to do it in the name of their profits. Bottom line. Yeah. So while they continue to find more and more evidence in fear of causing political rifts in Washington, like we just said, they continued to insist on being unspecific and downplaying the significance of the interference on behalf of Trump, or Russia, slash Trump, in any of the findings that they released publicly. When their audit committee took a look at the findings, they grilled Zuckerberg on how they allowed themselves to become a tool of Russian influence this much, and why other Facebook directors were now just being led in on what had happened and what was still happening. The Democrats at this point

are livid. In October 2017, they were forced Facebook. Facebook was forced to revise their blog post, which is how they sort of said like, sorry guys, this should have been happening. They were forced to revise their blog post on exactly how many people had seen the Russian propaganda posts, which by the way was a hundred to twenty-six million people. Senators Amy Klobuchar and Mark Warner then wind up introducing legislation, mandating that internet firms disclose exactly who bought political ads on their site. And Facebook then began to dedicate teams of people to sift through Facebook news and releases that had any words in there that might get conservatives worked up because they knew that if the Democrats

were bringing this bill, people were going to think it was to somehow dampen the GOP message and Trump's influence, which is effectively what it winds up doing, but they're trying to pull it aside. Because his message is Russian. Exactly. Exactly. Facebook. Then, you think how he tries to, I'm sorry, interrupt. That's like how he tries to say that the release of stolen emails is his first amendment right. You know, like, sorry, your speech isn't free just because you got it from, like, oh,

man, sorry. Yeah, he fails to see the illegalities that exist in what gets him to the point of releasing that information or what gets people to the point of releasing it. Facebook then doubles down and begins to adopt a tactic of running their PR campaign like a political campaign. They even started backing legislation that would hold internet sites accountable for things like sex trafficking ads on our website Essentially taking the stance of saying see they did it too. It's not just us these people are also posting shit That's bad. I did that when I was like nine. Yeah, right. Yeah, I mean, did you see how little of a Zuckerberg look to that seat though? He did look nine. I'm sorry. That's Aegis. Everyone's gonna. Aegis. No emails. Not really Aegis. You can't be Aegis against young people.

Yeah, it doesn't work that way. It's like, wait a second. It's like 30 board dude. That's how old my boyfriend is. Like, hey Ryan, how do you feel about your life? I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. It's 30. And Ryan's like, well I didn't sell this out to the Russian, so I feel pretty good. That's true. I'm totally kidding. Ryan, if you're listening to this,

I love you. You're fine. It's a 30,000 email. I love you, you're amazing. It's the 30,000 you missed. It's the thing. Beautiful. No, Randstone. Also, you just got a cool drop opportunity. Anyway. Okay, so Facebook. Facebook.

That's a derailleur. Facebook employed a network of companies that would engage in tactics of criticizing even Google and Apple as well. And yet again, another finger pointing tactic. Look over here. Look at what these people are doing. Yeah, in the private arena, Zuckerberg was more apologetic. You'll remember him testifying in Congress a feat that he had to prepare immensely for. He remarked that he was surprised after the

testimony at how tough Democrats were on him, unveiling that he didn't understand the scope or gravity of what Facebook had been a part of and is still a part of. Facebook began saying that they were ready for more regulation and Sandberg began sending all these kiss assy think you know the Toulamaakers even but then in private she was saying that Facebook had already adapted all the effective policies that they could and that any more regulation would only serve to hurt smaller competitors. Okay, right. My space could go down. Yeah, they're like, I'm just looking out for a little guys here.

I don't want to hurt my space and they're a place on the social media status. Oh my God. Oh, well, they need the smaller companies to be able to exist, period, or else then they actually are monopoly. Yeah, and all the indie bands, and just having made it. Yeah.

Yeah. So when Sanberg was asked to testify before the Senate Intelligence Committee, Facebook lobbyists had been working to ensure that questions regarding Cambridge Analytica privacy issues and censorship were not allowed to be asked and it worked. So a stern warning was actually made to all committee members by Burr that they were only to ask questions related directly to election interference. Facebook had lobbied even for a Google exec to be required to show up to the hearing as well. Again, pointing the fingers, saying hashtag not all internet social media sites.

And when Google founder Larry Page didn't show up, it created a lot of really bad press for Google and that actually kind of worked that's exactly what Facebook wanted and That man their dicks. Yeah, and it's like so That's the extent of that reporting, but what what it like what do you guys? I had no idea until this week that it was that much. Oh, yeah all that the 126 million that all came out last October. Right. Yeah, like the hiring of like GOP back. I didn't know anything. I had no idea they were doing that. That's new. Yeah. They were playing Washington so much. Yeah. And I'm trying to figure out what to do about Facebook because we have

our regular group on Facebook. We've got thousands of followers and likes there and then we've got our closed group, which is where we hold our fantasy indictment lead. I don't know what other platform I can do this on. I might, I mean, what would have to happen is we would have to build it into our website, and in order to do that, I would need to do a go fund me, or I'd kickstarter or something. I have an idea. But Facebook is free and available, and that's why we're using it. And I hate that I have to, but it's like I don't want to deprive everyone of their fantasy indictment league.

Yeah, yeah. I think another one that has similar features like Facebook, if people are willing, is a Reddit. We could have a subreddit of our own from Miloshi wrote and just think of post links and discussions there. Just like, meme boys has their own subreddit. I don't know how involved Reddit may be with a political scandal at all.

So, you guys want to brush up on this? I've got just all people though. I don't think they're non-profit. Yeah, so I think that'd be an option if we don't want to go with the crazy. Maybe we could bring some rights back. Maybe we could go on my spot. Yeah, we need the ability to control the group

so only patrons can get in it. And I don't think you have that capability on Reddit. Good point, good point. Like a closed subreddit or something? I don't know if that exists. Oh, it does, but you'd have to do some serious sifting through of the requests. It's not as convenient as Facebook in that sense. Yeah, I guess.

I guess what I want everyone to know is that we're working on solutions to get off Facebook. But it's just, I don't know how viable it is, but we're absolutely grossed out by this. So we have been for a while. I mean, this has been going on for a while. Twitter is the same. I can't not have a podcast and have no social media. And a lot of Instagram, a lot of Russians run Instagram

and they used all social media outlets. So it's kind of hard to be like, well, we're not, we're just not gonna use that. Otherwise, how would we get to you? Yeah, I mean, even as a comic, that's how I get books like 80% of the time with people that don't know me, you know? It's, it's, and I, you know,

I don't use Facebook for propaganda and Russian tactics. I use it for those kind of things, for networking and for keeping in touch with my family and stuff like that. And it's good when you have that. And I think just, I mean, you could do a big philosophical, you know, argument on any good thing that we create, like splitting an atom can be used for evil, like Hiroshima, Nagasaki. Any scientific or technological advancement that we make can be used for evil. So it's like, you know, damn, we all not get to use any technology because some guy

was a dickhead one time. That's what the Amish said, right? Or 16 Russians were. Totally, just do Amish. All right, well, that's a really good report. So thank you for sharing that. Thank you, Joyden. We are going to figure it out. We'll figure it out. So I'm going to take you guys on a tour of Roger Stonehenge. Sit down. Let me take you on a tour. Early in the week, earlier in the week, Jerome Corsi went on his radio show and told millions of his listeners, sorry,

told his 10 listeners that he thinks he's going to be indicted for lying to the grand jury. And that's interesting because if he lied and Stone told him to do it, he'll also likely get charged with conspiracy. So put beans on that. And I wouldn't put a past stone to intimidate witnesses because another story came out this week in the Wall Street Journal on Wednesday that special counsel Muller is exploring whether Stone tried to intimidate and discredit Randy Cretico, who is contradicting Stone's versions of events about his contacts with Wiggy Leaks, according to sources close to the

investigation. Filmmaker David Lugo, who knows Cretico and Stone, said he testified to the grand jury, Mueller's grand jury, about a blog post that Stone helped him write that was harshly critical of credit code. Critical of credit code. Further, Bill Samuels, you all know Bill. He was asked by the grand jury about credit code's reaction to allegedly threatening messages sent by Roger Stone. And no, you shouldn't know who Bill Samuels is.

And prosecutors are examining messages between Stone and credit code that involve credit code's decision to take the fifth amendment. So it's not a stretch to imagine Stone and Corsi collaborating on Corsi's testimony to the Grand jury and now they could both pay the price for that. I think the conspiracy to you know that little conspiratorial you know I went a bunch of witnesses get together and decide what they're gonna what they're all gonna say. Right. Conspiracy for commit fraud or do you fraud the United States? I don't know what the charge is in the law books.

Perhaps somebody who knows the more about the law can tell me, but I think they'll get charged with that too, not just lying. Corsi actually had an interview with NBC and it was diverted at the last minute by his lawyer who reported he got a call from special counsel just before Corsi was about to get out of the car and head into 30 rock.

I don't know if that or the imminent stone and Corsi indictments have anything to do with the mysterious shuttering of the Fox News Twitter account, but I ain't complaining. The erasure of the Drudge Tweets is also a big thing. Drudge went in and just erased all their tweets, which if, by the way, that could be destruction of evidence, or the silence of the WikiLeaks account. Some reporters have said that the Fox News Twitter account shut down was because Fox was protesting the doxing of Tucker Carlson on Twitter, but the same day they went dark

as the same day Rupert Murdock met with Mitch McConnell on Capitol Hill, and I think there's more to it than that. And as of today, Fox still has not tweeted since November 8th. They usually tweet about 250 times per day, and they lost about 20,000 followers. I have super space beans right here. This is a super space means theory that it has to do with the Asanj stone indictments. Maybe those accounts helped disseminate stolen Russian emails, and they are gagged right now. That's just a theory.

Or the stoned, this also could be pivoting away from Trump by Fox. Robert Murdock might be down with Trump, because he knows he's going down. But that's crazy conjecture. I'm almost 100% certain that it's not a Tucker Carlson protest though. So I don't know what you guys think. They still have not really sweet. No, I don't think so. Let's check. Did anyone got their phone?

Yeah. That's a good one. Yeah, because if that's the case, then I think that your beans are right. I mean, your beans are ready. Yeah. Well, because what? They are done. Why else?

They make so much, like you said, they make so much money and they get so many followers off of that platform for then to totally turn it off. That's nuts. Yeah, it's been nine days. That's got to be some, I mean, yeah, yeah, or they could have just been like, um, your punishment as you can't tweet for 30 days. Maybe they've already been punished. I, I really don't know what it is, but I think that it has to do with disseminating,

uh, Russian propaganda stolen because they did tweet out those tranches of stolen WikiLeaks documents and they could have conspired to get them. And if they did, they could have been shut down. We don't know, but it's definitely not a Tucker Carlson protest. Nobody gives a shit about him that much. Why else would they've gotten shut down? Have you thought about any other theories, really? Just the pivoting away. Yeah, that that

Rubin Murdock might be like Fox isn't gonna be a Trump network anymore. We're just not he's gonna go down He's gonna go down hard and we don't want to be associated with him anymore and they could just be pivoting But but their new show is still on so that's why I think it has to do specifically with the Twitter especially you dredge and And everything else because Twitter is where they were Can you disseminating those stone. Very good point. Well, at least Trump still has Trump TV if he lost Vox though. Who knows?

And back to Stone, NBC, of paying copies of phone records on Wednesday showing text messages. These are new. He's really slow. Showing text messages back and forth between Randy Cretico and Stone from October 2016. And I, sorry, I went right through this without telling you who Cretico and Stone from October 2016. And I, I, I, I, I went right through this without telling you who Cretico was.

He was the comedian guy who was supposed to be the way that Roger Stone got in touch with Juliana Sange. He was the go between. That's what Stone says. And Cretico says, no, I wasn't. You're insane. And that, so that's kind of who he is. He's a comedian radio show host. He's the guy who brought his dog with him

to the pre-angery a couple Fridays ago. So anyway. That sounds real good along in prison. You can't. So yeah, I'm just kidding. Let's go take him with Pet Cat. Probably not for the prison. Anyway, NBC obtained copies of phone records

showing text messages between Kredico and Stone from October 2016, October 2016, right? Six days before the Podesta wiki dump, Cretico texted Stone saying, quote, big news Wednesday, now pretend you don't know me. Unquote, Stone replied, quote, you died five years ago. To which Cretico replied, great, Hillary's campaign will die this week. Unquote, man, how epic. It's important to note that credit code did not mention Podesta in this series of texts.

So it's feasible that Stone could have gotten that information from elsewhere, like maybe Julian Assange. But it sure seems to shore up the story that credit code was the go between between Stone and Assange. Yeah, and credit code has been like, yeah, vehemently denying that this whole time. I think he's the secret subpoena denier guy in that sealed court case that's going back and forth alongside the Andrew Miller subpoena battle. And speaking of a sange, guys, a copy and paste error led to the unwitting and unintentional announcement that the Department of Justice has already secretly

charged Julian Assange. Now, this isn't necessarily an indictment because it looks like a charging document. And we don't know what the charges are. It could have originated with Mueller, or this could be from main justice, as they've been pursuing Assange for years. There are some arguments that charging Assange

for releasing documents is unconstitutional. And if we charge him, we should charge the New York Times, the failing New York Times for publishing leaked information. However, a journalist publishing sourced information is far-sighted different from conspiring with a foreign adversary to weaponize the release of stolen information to impact the outcome of a free and fair election. One is illegal, one is not, and there are statutes on the books that back that up. A friend of the podcast and past guest Greg O'Lear said on Twitter that whatever legitimate journalism WikiLeaks may have done previously,

by 2016 he was an asset of Russian intelligence, and the coordination of released stolen emails and hour after the Access Hollywood tape is not journalism, it's cyber warfare. He goes on to say that regular old indiscriminate dumps of sensitive information, you know, stolen by hackers isn't journalism either. And neither is the protected, and neither is it protected by the first amendment as the Trump legal team wants you to believe. We talked about that a minute ago. Asan has been holed up in the Ecuadorian Embassy since 2012, hiding from a sexual assault charge like innocent people do. And he's had a ton of fishy visitors, including Nigel Farage. That's a Brexit guy. Roger Stone, obviously we know who he is, and Sean Hannity.

And don't forget, Assange reached out to Hannity with anti-dem info. And that may or may not have something to do with their Twitter going dark. Not to mention Hannity is one of Cohen's three clients. At the time, his offices in hotel room and house were rated by the FBI. He also reminds us, Greg O'Lear does, that Don Jr. traded messages with WikiLeaks during the campaign and WikiLeaks is organization one in Muller's indictment of 12 Russians. There are also Americans named in the conspiracy in paragraph 44 of the Russian indictment, and we assume I assume that's Roger Stone or one of his associates. I have a feeling we will find out before November 26th which is when the Man of Fort report is due on who he rolled. Basically as I said before,

Judge Ellis wanted Mueller to tell him what you know who Man of Fort tatted on and and Mueller's like can't tell you yet. So I have a feeling we'll find out before November 26th. I think they'll be speaking indictments. I think that they will implicate Trump, and I think he will be an unindicted co-conspirator. And that's gonna happen, I think, within days of Trump handing in his homework.

As soon as he does that, Mueller will stick it in a report and the indictments will drop. Trump's answers are about collusion. Mueller may not want to indict, as I said, without this input because Trump could be an unindicted co-conspirator, and I think that's why he keeps pushing it back. And I think that's why Mueller keeps pushing back the Manafort report. He wants to buy more time for Trump to hand in his answers. Nunberg said Stone was no longer welcome in the campaign once Manafort was out, so I

assume Manafort rolled on Stone, and Mueller doesn't want to release his information on what Manifort gave him before the indictment's drop. So that's the timeline, and that's conjecture. So Trump hands in his answers, Mueller indicts Stone in company, implicating Trump or the Trump campaign as unindity co-conspirators, then the Mueller reports to the court that Manifort helped him roll Stone. Then he'll use Stone to roll Trump and the kids. Maybe junior, but junior can be a dited with the stone group.

I also think the indictment will show that Stone and Cretico communicated with Assange, who also communicated with junior, and Stone told Bannon, who told Trump, and Assange told junior, who told Trump. And that is why Trump will be implicated in these indictments, and that will be all laid out in a speaking indictment as soon as Trump hands in his homework. But some beans on it friends, we'll be right back. Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. So I have a very simple message for Russia. We know what you are doing and you will not succeed.

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with everything concerning Trump, Washington, Brexit, and my Britain, needs a mullet in the harry. Alright, you guys ready for the fantasy indictment league? Yes! Alright, this week is looking mighty likely for some big indictments for criminal conspiracy with folks associated with Roger Stone. So I'm drafting Stone, Jr. Assange, Hannity, and Corsi. Nice.

What about you guys? I'm similar. I agree it's gonna be a big stone week. So I got Stone, Corsi, Cretico, DTJ, and Assange. All right, I've got Stone, DTJ, Cush. I pushed them out last week for a rando. I'm putting them back.

And then Assange and Corsi. Is that five to 36? I don't do it again. I've got Stone, DTJ, and your Cush, Corsi, and Assange. And it it again. I've got stone D.T. Junior cush Corsi and a sange and it's perfect. Yeah, yeah, so nobody's doing wiki leaks as an organization I you're not doing it right. I'm not okay I because I think it's not worth as many points as the others There's gonna be 17 other people fucking indicted this week. We just only have five people on the team

So I picked the five high point value people I Wanted to get junior in there for the for the 20 and of course the then you know the stone of Saundi and of course See I thought put handy in there Twitter went dark man something's up. Yeah All right, you guys ready for sabotage? Yeah. All right, here's a neat story. Friday, we heard that Maria Bhutina is working on a plea agreement with prosecutors, according to the document filed in federal court. There was a hearing schedule that both sides asked to push back two weeks,

because they're currently in negotiations regarding a potential resolution to the matter. The matter is not tied to Mueller directly, but I would award points if a plea agreement was called in the fantasy indictment league. So does anyone want to put Maria Bhutina? Plead deal on their fantasy indictment league. You'd have to give up one of your stone people. That's the only problem with that. There's too many beans for me on stone right now.

I think so too. Too many beans on stone. I want the 20 with junior and I they ask for two weeks. I think that, well, yeah, but Manafort was only a 10-day delay. So because there's a two-week delay in Bhutina, that might actually come later. I'm actually gonna go ahead and put butina on and take off kush. All right cool. Yeah, I would do that too. If I had kush on my team, I would trade up for butina. Now you're just gonna do a plea agreement with butina.

Exactly. You would do indictment. I'm gonna do a plea because I still, how many points is that? It's like two points right? I think it's worth it because kusha probably isn't gonna get this. She's not a rando. Yeah, yeah, so I'll go for it. Yeah. Sorry.

A plea agreement is worth more than an indictment? No, no, no. No, no. You can you can call a plea agreement or an indictment. But if you aren't just doing a straight-up indictment, you have to say that you're doing a plea agreement. Got it. Got it. Because usually plea agreements come with indictments, like they plead guilty to something.

So you know, you don't usually have to worry about it. It's just kind of showing off at that point. Yeah. I'm thinking about showing off with credit code, maybe. Yeah. Because he's been, do you want to play a agreement with him? Or I think I might throw in a plea agreement for him. Right. Yeah. Do the plea agreement dangler? Yeah. I don't know. I'm making up my own language for this shit now. Because he's like, because he's definitely lying, but he kind of strikes me as a way better person than Cohen, for example, who is also lying

in the beginning a lot. See, I think he's the subpoena battle guy, so I don't think anything's gonna be decided on him many times. But that's because I'm so convinced of that. That subpoena battle could be Trump, it could be Kushner, it could be Ivanka, it could be anyone. So, you know, I'm putting my beans that way.

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activist. She's spoken at the United States of Women's Summit, the women of color leading the resistance panel and she's hosted the Empowered Civic Engagement Panel. Emmy, welcome to Mueller, she wrote. Hi, thank you for having me. No problem. We're really, I'm honored that you're here. I was at the first women's march and I'm looking forward to the one coming up in January on the 19th that's going to be happening nationwide and you can find out where your nearest one is going to be. What website can folks go to find out where to participate in that

March? Women'sMarch.com, enter your zip code and you can find your local chapter. Okay, that's awesome. So I wanted to ask you, tell me a little bit about what got you into this, what motivated you and when it all started. Yeah, Yikes. What didn't motivate me? I started the day after the election in 2016. I hosted a very sad pantsuit party for the election night and election night. And I didn't quite know how the night would end, but it ended horribly as we all know now. And so I started the day after the election. For me, I saw someone organizing a march in DC

and I wanted to make sure that LA had the same thing. I wanted to make sure that one, I didn't get missed as a Latina in the women's march, but then two that Los Angeles had its own issues. There were outside of DC that would be affected by this new administration. So yeah, for me was the day after the election. I felt like as a woman, as a Latina, I had a lot to lose. They found all of the rhetoric that was put forth during the campaign

period by, by, uh, now President Donald Trump. So for me, I felt like there was a lot for me to lose. And so I needed to make sure that I did something about it. I definitely didn't know what it would turn out to, but I did send quite a few emails to everyone that I knew aside from my Facebook post of organizing a March in LA LA which I had never done. So I think for me was basically the thought that I had a lot to do if I wasn't organized with this new incoming administration. And we were right. Like everything we marched for on that first year

Like, everything we marched for on that first year have happened that it's currently happening. Yeah, and I think you're 100% right that the landscape in Los Angeles is quite different from that in DC while we all kind of share the same core values just the way that we look and who we are. I think it's very different and I think that it's great that you wanted that represented.

And now I was wondering Well, first of all how many people ended up showing up to that LA women's march So the first one was 750,000 people We were the largest march in the nation So the first one definitely Showed us that there were more people that felt the same way we did when we started organizing.

So that gave us energy going then into midterms and having a strategy for two years in. Now what are you looking, like how are we looking forward? Now we've got the midterms under our belts. We've we've got the midterms under our belts. We've we've won that and Now well at least the the house, which is what we we were expecting I think it's it's a little more a bigger blue wave than we thought biggest since watergate and they're still counting So we can see how that turns out, but what are you doing looking forward? I know that there's the January 19th March And I was wondering, you've

definitely inspired some of the largest numbers of women running for office. I think that had a lot to do with the women's March. But now, going into 2020, what kind of what are your aspirations and your goals? Well, I think for us, it's for me and our organization, when this works, we want to make sure that it's not a fact. We want to make sure that it's not, you know, war upset at the administration, we're going to march, and then we're going to run for office and then leave it at that.

I think that we need to continue to build up pipeline of political power. I think that if women are not in office, women are not continuously represented, because I think it takes more than one term. It's gonna take a few years to really catch up, right? Women are 51% of the population is gonna take us quite a few years

to be represented equally in the House and the Senate. to be represented equally in the House and the Senate. And 2020, I wanna see, I wanna see female candidates running for president. Like it's not a surprise that we have two or three female candidates, right? So like we're like, oh yes, Hillary's the only one that's running for president. Should we have had about three other women up there?

Yeah, I agree, I agree 100%. And and I mean looking at it just like you said you know everyone was amazed and in awe that we have a hundred women now in the House of Representatives but that's less than a quarter. Right right and yeah we're more than half the nation. Right it shouldn't be a surprise it should be it should be oh we need more in office, right? Because when you see, you know, if you report candidates, they're all male and we're always surprised that there's a female running.

And how do we support that? What are we doing to bring up new leadership, female leadership? I'm happy that there were so many diverse women that got elected into office. And I think that we need to continue that because that is what the United States looks like to me. Yeah, I agree 100 percent, especially if they're going to run, if the Democrats are going to run, as they did in the midterms on healthcare, it's always shocking and surprising to me that there are no women who sit on these panels to discuss healthcare policy.

And we have our very own healthcare needs that are different and we should be represented at that table. So I think that's a really great way to look at it, a great goal to say, you know, we've got 100, that's fine, we've got more, that've got more, that get even more, let's, let that are not just our house our senate and a lot of s up in 2020 represents us more than than it does now

I agree and I don't want it it women's ways for me, I to be a way like it was in the 80s. I don't want it to be a way where it's like, well, the women march, then they've got a hundred people come and drink women in the office and that's it. We have to continue, so we are represented equally. That's if we are not represented equally in our government, what makes us think that we are going to be represented equally in the private sector?

I think that it starts to move down. Oh, it absolutely does. It touches every aspect. And that's why I think it's so important that so many women ran for local governments and local and state legislatures because that speaks to bigger races, like governorships and then the White House presidency, the House in the the Senate and then we can also look at the judiciary

So and I think that of of all the people that Trump has nominated for the judiciary I think less than 9% or nine of nine of them not 9% but nine of them are women and none of them are people of color Oh, well that doesn't surprise me there people of color. Oh well that doesn't surprise me. Based on what we know about him. But yeah that's it and again that is not representative of the United States. That does not represent all of us. Right. I mean at this point you would think that women didn't exist based on who is running our country. Yeah exactly. And are you involved with any other organizations? Is your organization involved with any others that are that are pushing more women to run for office? So we definitely,

one of our key key strengths is that we partner with a lot of organizations. We definitely partner with Emily's list. We have a C4 called Women's March District Network that will start to help women get to office. But right now, I mean, how do we get to office? I know specifically from Women's March volunteers, we had about 16 women run for office, about half of them,

one their local districts, whether they're running for city council or school board. So we wanna make sure that we continue that, but we do definitely look to partnership, look to those that have been doing this type of work before because we're really two years old, it has been organization and we were all really, really grassroots activists. I was running my own business before November 8. I jumped in

November 9, 2016. So for us partnering with other organizations is key. We work closely with legal women voters and then leave less and among other organizations, but that's definitely key for us. Well great. Well where can our listeners get more information on how to become involved, maybe donate and support women's march and you know what what website should they go to to to get all that information? So I'm going to send them to two websites, because I'm the Women's March California and Women's March Los Angeles.

Women's March.com is the main website for the organization. And I personally am at womensmarchla.org. I'm Emmy at womensmartele.org. If you want to ask any questions, donate, anything you may want to know about what we're doing in Los Angeles and throughout California. Wonderful.

I really appreciate you coming on today. I'm looking forward to all of the activism in the next year and a half leading up to the election for 20, 20. I guess about a year. I guess it's a year. No, you're in two and a half. It's too far away.

It's what it is. It feels too far away. But before you know it, we're getting the jitters of who is the new leadership. How many women do we have out there? So I think for now, we should be looking for that new leadership. We should be looking for that new leadership. We should be looking for those women that would represent us well and in office.

Absolutely. And we're only months away from, if weeks away from Democrats throwing their hats in to run for president. So we'll keep an eye out for that. And everybody head to womensmarch. It's dot org, yeah. Womensmarch.com or womensmarch.la.org. Got it. Womensmarch.la.org or womensmarch.com and find out how you can help, how you can be a part of it.

We're going to be there on January 19th. That's the day before my birthday. So, got to celebrate. And oddly, it's my 45th birthday. So, that's interesting. But we'll see you there. Amy, Guaraca, thank you so much for coming on Mollarshi Road today. Thank you for having me. See you soon. All right, you guys, that's our show for this Thanksgiving week. Please enjoy the holiday.

Don't forget to shop small business Saturday and support local businesses. And to make up for over 200 years of oppression, the least you can do is call out your racist uncle Frank this Thursday. I know I'll be. Leave no turkey, but take no shit. And perhaps the next time we meet, we'll have multiple indictments on the table. Yeah. I was thinking that as I was making all my appointments for like my nails and my wax and hair stuff. And I'm making the appointments on Monday, November 5th, and I'm making them for the weekend. And I kept thinking like, I hope I'll be at that haircut appointment with a blue house of representatives.

And then I would. That's adorable. I love that. That was nice to think about. It's like, what do they call it? The Vision Board, but for your calendar. My Vision calendar. Can I say some words for my friend, Jessie?

Yes, I'm 100%. Okay, so last week I wasn't here, and it's because I was attending a funeral of one of my dear friends and figures growing up, Jessica Stokely's sprule, she passed away right before the elections happened, and I'm so sad she didn't get to see what happened on Tuesday. She was one of the most determined, intelligent, funny, dedicated, passionate kind people I've ever known. She was really active on Twitter. She wrote for a whistle-blowing blog called Crooks and Liars. It's an amazing space.

And she means so much to me. And she leaves behind a 23-year-old Kyle and a 10-year-old Ari who doesn't have any planning really for his future at this point because she was the sole source of income. She worked very hard and they have a go fund me up which we've shared on our Twitter and I'll share it again on my personal one but if it's I know it's a weird ask maybe because you don't know who she is but if you could take my word for it she's one of the best people I've ever known and the family is one of the best families I've ever known.

So if you guys have anything to throw to them, that would mean a lot. And she loved Malcolm Nance was her favorite. She absolutely loves Malcolm Nance. She was a mother junkie, right? She was total. Yes, she was a politicon with us. She can't, yeah, I got to see her at Politicon. Yeah, not long before she passed.

So thank you for letting me take up this space and please send good thoughts to her family. What's the GoFundMe? So if you want to find the GoFundMe, you can Google RE's Future Funds. RE spelled A-R-I, RE's Future Funds, and it'll be the first result that comes up. Thank you. All right, well, thank you. And we're gonna go forward and we're gonna make sure that we celebrate her life. And Jimmy, Wilpert got his bench. Yeah, Jimmy Wilpert, Jimmo and San Diego seeing him.

Local comic who passed away, he drowned and he was just a wonderful guy. So thoughts to him as well. And let's make sure that we remember what we're thankful for this week. And I know that a lot of people don't like Thanksgiving because of the indigenous peoples and all that. But then throw all that out of the window. Don't make it about that. Just make it about being with people who you love, your real family, your chosen family, and being thankful for who we have and what

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