Jack - The British Invasion (feat. Rob Goldstone, Peter Jukes, & Guilty Pleasures)

Episode Date: November 26, 2018

Ep #56 - Joining us this week is Peter Jukes (Dial M for Mueller), a Mueller-themed Ice Cream Truck in DC (Guilty Pleasures), and architect of the June 2016 trump tower meeting Rob Goldstone! Plus, Jaleesa covers the latest on a nasty West Wing meeting in a new segment called “Racial Maddow”, Jordan breaks down this week’s Fox interview with Trump, and AG reports on the real reason Trump won’t cut ties with Saudi Arabia. Enjoy! 

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I hope everyone had a great holiday. How was your Thanksgiving? It was chill. My family is far so I just kind of hung out at home and smoked weed and watched Netflix. So that was nice. Netflix and chill. Yeah, with myself. Yeah, that's the best kind. Rhinin' myself made some vegetarian dishes and then one over to my dad's house. Yeah, okay, whatever shut up. Sorry, I'm just kidding. If it makes you feel any better, they were disgusting. Aww. Oh no. Yeah, it's like amazing how you can still make vegetarian gravy

disgustingly chunky. Weird, right? Yeah. And it becomes a consistency problem. Most definitely. Yeah, but it was great. Nice. Much thanks.

I made a ham and took it over to my chosen family's house about 15 of us and we had turkey and ham and everything and it was amazing. That sounds nice It was really good. The chosen family. The chosen family. I wore a dress because I'm spending Christmas with my family family Okay, so chosen family and I wore a dress with a brooch and a brooch coat. It was very nice. That is very cool. I looked very fancy. I really wanted to wear my onesie.

But did you have any uncomfortable conversations with any people about settler colonialism or anything? No. I feel like everyone would hang out with this, like, you know, woken up to not need a school and on that. But a lot of these folks in my chosen family are old gays so they're cool with the Thanksgiving theme but you know

of course obviously there were there were you know comments made about it and and how I think we did have a brief discussion about how you know so much love out to that, you know, group of people and our group of people and how that's not what we were getting together to celebrate. It was, it was just more like, hey, this is just an awesome dinner with us and we're not doing it because of that. We're not that callous, didn't. Right, you're turning a negative thing into a positive gathering. I can see that. Exactly. And, you know, it's And it would freak me out. And it actually had, like I've got the crazy racist uncle who's been like, I'm glad we took the land from the,

and I'm like, whoa dude, all right. We need to not, that's why I want to spend with my chosen family because we don't do it for that reason, you know, like, I don't know who does, but I'm sure there's people like my uncle. My uncle as well, I feel like he sort of stopped showing out to the Thanksgiving's on account of him not being able to say those things anymore.

Whoa. He needed a teeny tiny turkey like SNL. Yeah. That was a good that Laura Ingram bit. Oh yeah. The cake making him was so pretty. Beautiful that cold open. White chest.

Everybody wins. Beautiful. And yeah, teeny tiny turkey. And there was something else in there too. Volkswagen, you know why. Whoa, damn, really funny episode. But yeah, and we always do a thing where we make sure to donate money or donate time to give back and white guilt white guilt probably but helpful yes. Yeah we need that.

It always bums me out when you try to do something to make up for something and you get shipped for it and you're like well what do you want me to do nothing or? Right you gotta try. I mean I think the guilt is legitimate too for me at least it feels that way because it's like obviously I didn't do these things. However, I have the ability to do something. So not doing that is where the guilt comes from. I feel like that's fine. Hell yes, Jill.

And because all that happened, I have a kind of a, I'm in a privileged spot. I have an advantage in life. Because of that shit. So it's like, you just recognize that. I think that that's important. Yeah. And do what you can to mitigate it.

Otherwise, you're just eating turkey. Anyway, good holidays, good holiday, discussion. We have a gigantic show for you guys. We have interviews with, let's see, Peter Jukes from the New British podcast, Dial M from Muller. I love the way he says it too in his accent. Mood. So, we have the guilty pleasures, Mueller themed ice cream truck in DC. We have the guy who runs that.

And British pop journalist and architect of the June 2016 Trump Tower meeting. Goldstone. I talk to Goldstone. And if you don't know why I'm singing that, we'll play a clip for you later about the origins of why we do that. Jalice is going to be reporting on the nasty West Wing meeting that led to more power for the troops at the border, and Jordan is going to cover Trump's Fox interview and his idiot call to the troops.

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Leave us a rating on Apple Podcasts or iTunes. Same thing. We can... I don't know. I'm just... I'm super thankful for you guys. We can't thank you enough for supporting women and podcasting for supporting Mullershi Road. Anyway, we have a monster show to get to, so let's get into it with just the facts. On Sunday, representative Elijah Cummings of Maryland told Face the Nation that he will do anything and everything in his power to release

the Mueller findings to the public. He is poised to take over as the chair of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee in January. Cummings says he will wield subpoena power if necessary, as chairman of that committee to force Mueller's findings to be made public if Whitaker or anyone else

it may injustice tries to block them. He also said he's going to look at removing Whitaker as acting AG if he's still there. And he threw his support behind Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House. That was a little interview with Elijah Cummings on Face the Nation. Also Sunday Trump sat for another Fox News interview

and Jordan's gonna cover that later in the show. Super funny. Or terrifying, however, you know. Usually both. Yeah, definitely both. How do you wanna look at it? Then money, money, then money. I don't know.

Capitalism has gotten to you, and you end. No. Then Monday, senators, Maisie Harano, Richard Blumenthal, and Sheldon Whitehouse sued to block Whitaker from serving as Acting Attorney General, saying the move was unconstitutional. Their complaint filed in the DC District Court claims that Trump violated the appointments clause the Constitution by naming Whitaker for a cabinet-level position, even though he was never confirmed by the Senate. So we'll see where that goes. Also Monday, Mueller filed his brief in the Miller case. If you remember, the Thursday after the election, obviously the judge in the Andrew Miller

subpoena battle asked for both sides to file a brief on how the appointment of Matthew fucking Whitaker would impact the case. And we had warned that by not waiting until the Miller case was decided to install Whitaker, Trump ran the risk of legally exposing the way Mueller could circumvent the acting AG and could unwittingly put his appointment on trial. But the shipbox did it anyways, and Mueller's brief, which he handed in this week,

was an absolute pleasure to read. Mueller argued that despite the appointment of Whitaker, he still retains the full powers of a US attorney granted him under the regulations governing the special counsel. He said that in this particular case, the subpoena of Miller is not threatened at all by Whitaker. In fact, Whitaker has no power over it at all.

And he seems to suggest that anything banked prior to Whitaker's appointment, including sealed indictments or complaints or subpoenas, could not be blocked by Whitaker because the court presides over them. And Mueller also maintains he retains the authority to appear because the court presides over them and Mueller also maintains he retains the authority to appear before the court. That's part of the having the authority of a US attorney and that's how he would unseal any indictments filed prior to Whitaker's appointment. So that's huge and a lot of folks came at me saying that this argument was only for this particular case. However,

Mueller's defense of his authority would seem to extend to any and all filings that took place prior to Whitaker's arrival. Yeah, that's what it sounds like. That's what I'm. And that makes sense. You can't derail an entire investigation just because some idiot fired the guy that put them there in the first place. Right.

So, and we'll see. Obviously, we'll see what happens. Yeah. The problem with Whitaker is that we, apparently, we would not know if he had blocked anything after he became acting AG because while policy requires him to report anything he blocks, he only has to make those declarations after the investigation is finished or if the special counsel is fired. I thought it had to be right when he said no, but it doesn't have to happen till after the investigation is over. So now it comes down to how much

Mueller was able to complete before Whitakeraker you surped control of the investigation and how long he'll be there in the face of all the lawsuits against his legitimacy. So if there's a long delay in the stone indictments, that could be why and we wouldn't know it. Then Monday, the Army Commander overseeing the mission of the border where Trump sent like 6,000 troops to set up concertina wire. That was basically all they did. This Army commander told Politico that the Pentagon is set to begin drawdown even as the approaching caravan hasn't reached the border. Vanity fair positive that the president spent millions of taxpayer dollars on a stunt that failed completely. And based on the withdrawal of troops prior to the arrival of the caravan, it's clear

that this was nothing more than an expensive political stunt that did nothing, but keep the troops away from their families on Thanksgiving. So, yay. And 6,000 on 6,000, that's like a one-to-one basketball defense. Yeah, it's ridiculous. It's just so absurd. Yeah. And there wouldn't have been, it would have ended up being like 2,000 who eventually got

to the border. Many of them stayed in Mexico a lot and turned around and went home. So yeah, it's true like the highest projections were 6,000 from Mexico. And yeah, that didn't turn out to be the case. No, so total waste of money, total waste of troops kept them away from their families, put them down there to set up barbed wire. It's just so dumb. But tax cuts. Barb wire. Just so dumb. But tax cuts. What? Yeah. Then Tuesday, bipartisan leadership from the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, including Bob Corker and Bob Menendez, wrote a letter to Trump asking him directly whether or not Trump believed that MBS, that's Mohammed bin Salman, we call him Mohammed Bonsoh, was involved in the murder of Khashoggi. Under the Magnitsky Act, which we go over in detail in episode two from last year, Trump

can be required to make such a determination about human rights violations by global leaders, and he has 120 days from the committee's request to respond under the Magnitsky Act. So we'll keep you posted as more information on Trump's response becomes available. That was all just Monday. But then Tuesday got crazy. First, we found out Beto could be running for president because he said he hasn't made any decisions about 2020, which is a different statement than he made right before the midterm when he said he would not run. And he lost that midterm to Ted Cruz, as we know, if he runs, that's

where my money is, especially after speaking with Dan Fyfer from pod save I'm convinced now more than ever that we will need to be we will need to have a candidate with a moment Remember how he's like somebody needs to have a moment right and if we want to win We have to find somebody who's got that moment that magic the beans And I think he has the best chance of you not even the party Yeah, I would work for his campaign. And if anyone knows how to apply, let me know. Beto, is there a link or an app for that?

If you're listening. He's got the magic beans. I like how you threw that in there. Yeah, he does. We should try to get him on because he was too busy during the campaigning season, but maybe now he'll be down. Yeah. Yeah, maybe.

Let's try that and once he's gearing up to run for president. Either way, let's have him if we can. We could do a little campaign. I want to work for him. Anyway, this has been an inside meeting at Moller's unit. That everyone can hear. You're welcome. Also Tuesday, Moller filed a 3,000-word document

in the secret subpoena battle going on in the DC appellate court that's been running parallel to the Andrew Miller subpoena battle. No further details have come out, other than it's a 3,000-word document, but oral arguments began in open court December 14th, and will keep you posted on the disposition of that case as it unfolds. So I don't know if you guys remember or not, but to give you context, Andrew Miller, who's a stone guy, he's one of his, he's a scheduler, but to give you context, Andrew Miller, who's a stone guy. He's one of his, he's a scheduler, but he's not, you know, now he's like a house painter

and Cleveland or something. He basically resisted the subpoena to appear before the grand jury and then asked the court to hold him in contempt so that he could appeal Mueller's constitutionality and that's been working its way up through the courts and it was Miller's case where where the judge asked for a brief about how Whitaker would affect the case and Mueller came in and said I got the power of US attorney it doesn't fucking matter to me have a nice day. That's the Miller case and then there's a second subpoena battle.

Some people thought it might be Trump or Kushner. I thought it was credit code. We still don't know, but apparently there was a 3000 word document filed by Mueller in that case this week. So we'll keep you posted. Then we got big news Tuesday that Trump had asked the Justice Department to prosecute Hillary Clinton and James Comey and to illustrate what a big deal this is. One of the articles of Nixon's impeachment was his improper use or abuse of executive power to punish his political opponents when he tried to get the IRS to go after Democrats.

Now here we have a president blatantly asking main justice to prosecute those he sees as political enemies. Trump told McGahn last spring he wanted to order the Justice Department to prosecute Clinton and Komi according to two sources familiar with the conversation. And the New York Times reported that McGann rebuffed Trump saying he had zero authority to give that order. And even if he could, it would bring up serious questions about abuse of power.

Then McGann wrote a memo to the president, warning Trump that if he gave that order, he could face a number of consequences, not least of all impeachment. McGann, Mueller has that memo, by the way. McGann pointed out that to his knowledge, Trump never actually gave the order to anyone at justice. But there are reports that he continued to speak about appointing a second special council

to investigate Clinton and Komi, and even repeatedly expressed disappointment in his FBI director Christopher Ray for not pursuing the matter, calling him weak. Trump also raised the possibility with Rosenstein. And Trump's lawyers also asked justice to investigate Comey from his handling the Clinton case, but they all declined too. But the craziest part is that he pressed Whitaker, who at the time was Sessions' chief of staff, to give him information on the Clinton investigations. He was like, you meet the inside information on Clinton. And this is just another example of blatant obstruction of justice by Trump. And at this rate, he needs to stop obstructing justice

so Mueller can finish his report. I think he's still going to subpoena Trump for obstruction questions if he hasn't already. And speaking of how long the investigation could go on, according to Bloomberg News, Senator Burr says it's going to take the Senate intel committee at least six months to write and declassify their report on Russian interference. So the investigation is going to go on well into 2019. It's not going anywhere.

So please keep listening. Mm-hmm. Tell your friends. Still Tuesday, Trump finally handed in his written answers to Mueller's questions, starting the clock on the stone indictments in my beans, in my space beans, because basically what I was seeing is that things had to happen in a certain order. First, Mueller couldn't indict Stone until he got Trump's questions back, because I think

he wanted to incorporate that into the stone indictments. And then he couldn't give the report to the court on Manafort's level of cooperation and who he helped NAB without inditing stone because he didn't want to publicly release any information before the indictments came out so that he wouldn't give any information about an opening, ongoing investigation, tip off the people who are in the indictment. So he did hand in his questions, handed him in on Tuesday. We were like, maybe we'll get indictments on Wednesday or Friday. We haven't. Monday is when the Manafort Report is due. So, I think that a couple things could happen,

either Hill and Dite's Stone Monday, or he'll ask for more time in the Manafort Report, or he'll just tell the judge in the Manafort hearing, yeah, we're good to go for sentencing. They might say, what did he do to help? I'm like, can't tell you yet. just tell the judge in the Manafort hearing, yeah, we're good to go for sentencing. And they might say, well, what did he do to help? And I'm like, can't tell you yet. So it could be one of those three things.

Or would occur, the stone indictment might have not been sealed prior to Whitaker being there, Whitaker might block the stone indictment, and we don't know. Intercepted. Yeah. So we could get a Manafort report where a Mueller's like, can't tell you part of an open and ongoing investigation, but he hasn't indicted stone yet, and it could be because

would it would block that indictment. And we wouldn't know. So I feel so helpful. I feel so helpful. Eyes. The cameras. Then we found out, and this is so great. Ivanka Trump has used a private email account to send government emails, which Trump defended, saying it's different because she didn't delete anything, which is funny, because that's basically saying that the cover-up is worse than the crime, yet he's been covering up collusion for two years. Oh, burn. There's an investigation into her utilization of a private email account, and we'll keep

you updated on that. I don't think it'll rise to the level of criminality, just like the Hillary emails didn't rise to the level of criminality unless of course there's an email where she says she knows she's being a criminal or the Department of Justice can somehow prove criminal intent, which is a really high bar. It's a really high standard of proof for that kind of thing. So yeah, I don't know that it'll happen, but it's worth investigating at least. And it's also very hypocritical. Yeah, I was gonna say, if nothing else

to just call them on their bullshit, I wanna say like, trade goutty get really pissed off at Ivanka, that would be, he is, did you see that? Oh. Trade goutty actually called for an investigation into the Ivanka email. That's right, what's that? Yeah, like fuck yeah.

Nice, I love what you said on Twitter, H.E.I.I. think it was subpoena, butter emails, jelly times. So yeah, somebody. I love what you said on Twitter. A.G. I think it was subpoena butter emails jelly times. So yeah, somebody asked what I would serve Trump for Thanksgiving and I said, it's subpoena butter jelly sandwich and somebody goes, subpoena butter jelly sandwich and somebody is like, I want more puns and so I said, subpoena butter emails jelly time and they go,

no, we need even more. And then it came out to be, I think the final, final one was subpoena butter emails, J. Lee time time and they go no we need even more and then it came out to be I think the final final one was subpoena butter emails J. Lee muller time. Wow I love that thread well done and then they go Can you get me more like that's it that's all the words that's all you got I'm tapped out that's all she wrote No more no more available. I love puns. I don't know if I love them as much as far as I went with that, but it was good. I think it was worth it. Then we got more shocking, not shocking news about Whitaker from the Washington Post that he runs an obscure conservative nonprofit from which he received over $1.2 million in

donations, dark money. That's obscure. The charity has no other employees, just him. And it's called the Foundation for Accountability and Civic Trust, the civic trust ACT fact classic classic naming structure for sketchy organizations walking till those yeah freedom red white Maricop yeah, right exactly the value family center for values nice It's it's a self it's a self-described watchdog organization dedicated to exposing unethical conduct by public officials. Apparently, the charity changed its name and its mission after the IRS approved its tax exempt status, but there's no evidence that the mission change was reported to the IRS as required by law.

It appears they never gave approval, though, and the charity could be operating outside the law. It's also illegal for a nonprofit to campaign on behalf of any candidate, which this one did in the run-up to 2016, which could draw FEC complaints and Hatch Act violations due to potential election law problems. So, haha. Nice. One of a controversy. What a surprise. One of 8,000 things wrong with him, right? I love how in his white color crime they call it operating outside of the law.

Like yeah, yeah, there's gangs in comp and then they're just out operating us in the law. Yeah, we're just operating outside of the law man. It's your problem. Ethan, is he here? I don't respect that. Oh my god, okay, I just have to say this. Here's a joke by a comedian who's just like, I wonder if there's gangs that are receiving that sign in a bar.

It's like no gangs around. They're like, man, we're not welcome here. Let's go. Yeah. Ah, dang. Shucks. And then they have to leave. Yeah.

And we're going to find that comic anonymous. That's who that is. And then moving on to Wednesday, Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts made a rare public rebuke of Trump's comments on judges from the Ninth Circuit Court, where they blocked Trump's plan for refusing to consider asylum applications from immigrants who crossed the border illegally, because that's fucking illegal, which led to another Trump Twitter meltdown.

He had a battle on Twitter with the chief justice of the Supreme Court. Earlier in the week, Trump had made a statement that a ruling made against the administration was made by an Obama judge. And Roberts responded saying, we don't have Obama judges or Trump judges or Bush judges or Clinton judges. What we have is an extraordinary group of dedicated judges doing their level best to do equal right to those appearing before them. And Trump lashed out on Twitter starting a fight with the guy who could end up deciding whether or not Trump

has to respond to a Mueller subpoena by the way which Giuliani has said they will fight if issued. Trump tweeted quote, it would be great if the ninth circuit was indeed an independent judiciary putting independent judiciary in quotes, which was hilarious. But if it is, why are so many opposing views, cases filed there, and why are, I can't even read his, why are vast numbers of those cases overturned? We need protection and security. These rulings make our country unsafe, very dangerous,

and unwise. Who's basically like, if Ninth Circuit is so great, why did they keep ruling against me? And it's like, could you keep breaking a law? Yeah. I'm surprised. I wonder, does he actually think that he's like a victim, or is he playing? Yes. He does. Yes. Yeah, I'm surprised. I wonder does he actually think that he's like a victim or is he playing? Yes, yes, he does. Yes. Okay. Okay. I think he has a child brain that's fixated on any

egotistical version of whatever's happening. And I think he feels like he's in charge of the judiciary and he's in charge of a main justice and they're his and they should be at his work and his pleasure. And that's not how it worked. There's bits of check and balance thing. And he never watched School of Health Rock, I guess. Also Wednesday, Mueller. Yeah, what did he watch that made of such a monster? His dad kicked black people out of the apartments.

Whoa, well, that's the truth. That's, yeah, straight up. Sorry. Yeah, I don't know anyone who watched Schindler's lists and is like on the wrong side. Yeah, yeah. Good point. But people rooting for Hitler and watching Schindler's list. Get that girl in the red coat.

It breaks you down, yeah. Also Wednesday, Mueller filed a motion to deny Papadopoulos's motion to wait until the Miller case has decided before he reports to jail, asserting that if the court finds Mueller's appointment to be unconstitutional, Papadop thinks he shouldn't have to go to jail. The filing by Mueller used Pop-a-Dopolis's own tweets against him, saying the reason he wants to continue, and says because he feels the entire investigation has been very unfair to him. Mueller also points out that regardless of the outcome of the Miller case, Pop-a-Dopolis

signed a waiver that he can't appeal, and he lied to the FBI, and he's agreed to go to jail for it. So he's not even going to jail for collusion. He's going to jail because he lied to the FBI and he agreed to go to jail. So Mueller's appointment has no bearing on his jail sentence at all. I'm 100% sure the judge will deny Papadopolis's motion. He'll have to report to jail tomorrow Monday to serve his 14 days. Also keep your eyes peeled

for a mega story coming out about Papa Doppler this week. There's going to be huge Papa Dop beans and I can't tell you anything about it, but I have a source to put some beans on it. I hope it's not Tom Arnold really. Yeah, apparently Tom Arnold paid for Mangiante's ticket to wherever so that she can be there when he when he goes to jail for those 14 long days and nights. 14 days get over it. Darryl Paska boat whore. I hate that. And that's gotten I apologize to horse and boats. They deserve better and boats. Boats deserve better. Boats rights. They do. They're like, sorry if I could sink this one I would, but everyone's on this thing. My god.

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Giuliani made comments on Mueller's written questions. We know, like I said, Trump turned in his written questions. Well, Giuliani made some comments saying he thinks there are more questions to come. And he said, quote, we'll consider them and answer them if necessary, relevant and legal. Because Bob Mueller is just going to ask illegal questions. If it was something that would be helpful, relevant, and not a law school exam is what Juliani says, because asking questions like, did you know about the meeting on June 9th, 2016, is apparently law school level shit? Wherever he went to law school, I guess. Yeah, perjury trap. Yeah, I like to imagine they just gave him a timeline that draws out in labels

everything they'd be asking just like a how-to answer guide for him. How to conceptualize what we're talking about. And apparently a report came out that said when when Trump got some of the questions early on January, he canceled a meeting with Mueller. I think we already reported on that, but it's out in the news again. Sorry, guys, I have to read. I can't read. I can read. Giuliani said Trump may face more questions from Mueller on obstruction of justice. No shit. Rudy, thank you. You went to law school to figure that one out. One of the questions is whether or not Trump knew about the June 2016 Trump tower meeting. And another was if Trump knew Russia had stolen emails when he asked on July 27th in a speech, if Russia, if you're

listening, if you could find the 30,000 emails that are missing. And that's big news there. And Mueller, here's why I think it's so important. Mueller would not ask these questions if he didn't already know the answer and if he didn't already have proof corroborating those answers. That gives us a big clue that Trump did know about the Trump Tower meeting and he did know Russia had the stolen emails when he made that comment. So keep your eyes out for that in the Stone indictments and put some beans on it.

And speaking of the Trump Tower meeting, I had an opportunity to talk to somebody about it who was in the meeting. Joining us today to talk about his new book, Pop Stars, Pagents, and Presidents, How an Email Trump To My Life, is Rob Goldstone. Rob, welcome to Mollershi Road. Pleasure, nice to meet you. Rob, I wanted to ask you about your book here. I've gone through it, I've read it, and I just wanted to know what prompt did you to

write it, what started you off on this path? You know, I've thought a lot about that. And the answer's always the same to me, which is, I wanted an opportunity to tell my story. And some people listening might think, well, we've read your story a million times. And that's why I wrote it. I'd also read the story of who I was supposed to be, or who I was, or what people thought I was, a million times. And I wanted to tell the real story and tell it with my own voice. And I

decided the best way to do that was to write a book. So that's what I do. So in your mind on that on that thread, what is what are some of the main differences between you and what kind of the perception of you has been in the media? What are some of the main differences between you and what kind of the perception of you has been in the media? What are some of the main differences you've noticed? Well, again, I'm not sure how much of it you've seen probably quite a lot, but I've been called everything from a couple of the Kremlin Putin's puppet to a democratic plan, somebody that represents fusion GPS, somebody that was put there by Hillary's campaign

to destabilize Donald Trump. I've been called a clown and idiot, a fool, at this, at that. So those are some of the things, but one of the things that consistently seemed to go through this, especially when I met people or heard from people, was this idea they would say to me, well, are you happy now? You know, your candidate, you got Trump to let you have him in the White House.

Well, I never voted for Donald Trump. I never supported Donald Trump. So I suppose the biggest misconception for me that people had was that somehow I was a champion of Donald Trump. Okay, well let's see if I can ask you a few questions, maybe we can set the record straight. Of course, you know, my podcast here, our podcast is Moller She wrote, so we're very interested in the Mueller investigation and all aspects of it. So I kind of really wanted to focus on chapter 14, which you've entitled the infamous email. And if that's okay, I have a few questions about that for you. Absolutely.

So why do you think that a mean agilara picked you to set up the meeting? Was it to keep the activity away from others maybe and create plausible deniability? Do you have any inkling as to why he selected you to set this meeting up? Well, I would have been surprised if Emmon or any other member of the Aguilara family that I knew had chosen anybody other than me. And the reason for that was that for the previous three or four years, Emmyn had been my client. First, I was his publicist. And for the previous three years, I'd been his manager. And during that time, we had done, I suppose, the most famous thing we did was stage Miss Universe in Moscow. And so it was kind of through that, that we met Donald Trump.

And so the relationship was always, Emmon threw me to the Trumps, but that was only because I was based in the States. He was basically Moscow. It was easier, you know, I say this phrase, and I don't mean it to sound glib, but when you're rich, oligarch, you don't pick up your own phone.

Many people have said, why wouldn't he or his father have just picked up the phone and called Donald Trump? Well, my answer to that is over the years, a long number of decades that worked for people both famous, rich, or non-of-the-above, they don't pick up their own phones. They have people like me to do it for them. And the reason for that often is because if the answer comes back, no, I know how to couch that, no. That's what

I'm good at. I can do a little dance. So it's not like somebody dismissed what you want. It's that, you know, it didn't quite work. It was the wrong day. It was the wrong. I think, you know, what I mean. So to me, it was an obvious that they would ask me to try and set up this meeting because I was Emmons conduit to one of the better words to all things in the state. And this was just another of those things. Okay, and I remember reading in your book here that when you were having this conversation with Amine and you were trying to pump in for the information about what the meeting was about and he wasn't really forthcoming

with any of that, you kind of had a gut check and you thought to yourself, nothing good can come of this and I think you actually said that to him. I did, I did say those words. I'm sorry to cut you off. I did say those words. I said, this is really bad. I did. Nothing good can come from this.

But I have to say that it would be, it would be easy for me to say, well, the reason I said that is because blah, blah, blah. But the reason I said it was actually a bit selfish. And I said it because, first of all, I said to him, you know nothing about politics, I know nothing about politics, this is a really bad idea. I don't even understand what you're talking about. That was the first thing. And he couldn't articulate, either couldn't or didn't want to articulate in detail what it was I was being asked to do. So my idea of saying it's a really bad idea was not about that. It was that I selfishly wanted to keep any favor or any ask that I might have to do on his behalf. For if, in the slightest chance Donald Trump would be elected president, which nobody on

this planet at the time thought he would, I would have that ask. And what I would have wanted to do is say, hey, Emmen, who we've met, you know, and all of that, would love to, I kind of filmed something in the Rose Garden, would love to take a photo in the White Hat. That's what I would have been happy to do the ask. This, to me, seemed totally out of sorts and on a selfish way, I didn't want to use an ask on something that just seemed to me so bizarre for him to ask.

So that was the reason. I wish I could say the reason was because I knew it was rock. That wasn't the reason. I wanted to selfishly keep an ass up my sleeve if we ever needed it to help his career, not some random lawyer that he seemed to know very little about. Okay, so you thought you might be kind of banking favors? I thought, you know,

you know, Emin had asked me a year or two before that when this universe with Immokra, he said to me, can you get Donald Trump to be in my music video? How is that you're out of your mind? Because he was, don't know, but he likes you. I said, okay, I get it. I've met him for an hour as you have, but okay, I'll try.

Well, I got Donald Trump to be in music video. So I got Donald Trump to wish his father happy birthday. I got Emmon on the today's show when Noah had ever heard who he was. I don't all kinds of these things. It wasn't beyond the realm of possibility that I could maybe try and do something like that. But that I would have been willing to try,

whether I could or couldn't have no idea. This, to me, seemed like a really bad idea because it was, if it was, what he said it was, to me it was like, what's the point? It doesn't benefit you anyway. And if anything was to go wrong with it and by go wrong, I mean, that it turned out to be something completely

vacuous or ridiculous, then it would embarrass not just him but also me. The one thing I didn't think, and I put it down to the fact that maybe because I grew up in England and I didn't grow up, I suppose, around American politics and I'm very interested in it. I like didn't go off. I suppose with hindsight, of course, it would now, to go, wait, wait, you can't even know, you shouldn't really even do this act, let alone a bit right or wrong. So that wasn't the reason. As I say, the reason with the things I mentioned that they were more selfish than anything else. Okay, so my follow-up question to that was, why did you do it? And that's kind of the answer there, is that?

It's the answer, but also there's another part to that. When you manage somebody really closely for a long time, you're used to their quirks and all their little affin things and whatever, because that's the role of a manager, especially in the entertainment business. You deal with egos and you deal with crazy apps. In a way, it was easier just to play Kate. My client can go, find our last,

then to continue down this road of, you probably read in my book where, when I keep asking who this attorney is and he says, oh, it's a well connected, well connected in the end, I glibly say, well connected to what the power grid, and then there was no answer. And you get to a point where you know you can push and push, but you're not getting any more information. And so really it was to, you know, placate, I've done my bit, I said, I think it's a bad idea, you know, all of the above. And ironically, and I will say hindsight is a wonderful thing, but ironically when I read some of the Senate Judiciary's

public report on other people's testimony, I read that not only had Emma sent me an email a few months later when the story broke however many months later, I'm year later, that was a year, wasn't it? But in it, he said to me, you have to believe that I was also, again, still possibility to this meeting. He said to somebody else, I just wish my dad had listened to me like about this meeting, he said to somebody else, you know, I just wish my dad had listened to me like about this meeting and, you know, it seemed like hindsight's great, but if you

just listened to me at the time, you maybe wouldn't be in this drama that you're in now. Yeah, and that's actually probably for the best that- Neither would I, I may I, neither would I. Yeah, and I was going to say it's probably for the best that you didn't that you had limited information. It's probably for the best and the other part of it is a couple of people have said to me some interviewer said to me actually, aren't you annoyed that Don Jr. asked you to sit in on the meeting when you were never supposed to and they argue mad at him and I said no I'm going to complete opposite because if I had never sat in on that meeting, which I wasn't supposed to sit in on,

I suppose I wouldn't know what was said at that meeting, and I too would have, I suppose, been open to believing that all sorts of things were said, I sat in on that meeting, so I know what was said, and in a way, I'm grateful for that part, because, you know, this whole idea of the meeting and asking for it and there's all kinds of implications which Mueller and his team have been sifting through for a long time now and I'm sure they'll come to a conclusion whatever that is. it was nonsense. I mean, it was nonsense, but when you have hindsight and you understand the importance of the Magnitsky Act and the importance of it to her and to the Russian, then it's not nonsense. But at the time, I'm really glad I was there, because if not, I wouldn't have known what to think, and I really would have thought, well, maybe I was set up, and maybe it was something far more sinister. So you had mentioned the Miss Universe pageant and recent media reports out here have suggested

that Trump actually did speak with Putin. I know that before the stories were that he wanted to and he wanted to meet Putin and he thought maybe they would become best friends. But apparently there's now reports out and I don't have the sourcing for it at the moment but that he actually had a call with Putin. Do you know anything about that? No, but what he had was a call via MNFAR, that again, I was present in the room at the time,

with Demetri Peskov, who is the spokesperson for President Putin. And this call was this longweighted, will it happen, won't it happen, will they meet what's happening? And the reason I was there was because it was so late in the day, it was literally a few hours before the concert, was due to take place. And we were all called into a conference room

and Putin's spokesperson called to Emma and father. And said that President Putin sent his apologies, and Putin spoke first and called to Emma and father. And said that President Putin sent his apologies but that they couldn't meet because the king of Holland who had a scheduled meeting was delayed in traffic. And I thought it was the most bizarre thing I'd ever heard. And when I told this story to, it wasn't a modesty,

but it was to one of the congressional teams. Afterwards, one of the guys asking the questions for the majority, yeah, for the majority came up to me and said, I have to tell you that you should send the King of Holland the biggest bunch of flowers that exist in the world because had he not been delayed and you'd gone with Trump to a private meeting at the Kremlin with Vladimir Putin, can you imagine how much more awful your life would be right now? And I smiled and I said to him, you know what,

I'm dedicating my book to the King of Holland. And if you look, my book is dedicating to King Willem Alexander of the Netherlands. And that's why. I did see that. I was going to ask you about that too. So that's why. And they didn't meet.

They didn't meet. I mean, Trump, when he came back, you know, when he was interviewed about Putin, I believe right when he started running for a present. I know Putin, I've met Putin, I've seen Putin, and then people said, but wait, did you really meet Putin? I didn't meet Putin, I don't meet Putin. I think if you look, you'll see that he changed that to,

oh, I've never met him or spoke to him. I think it was one of his maybe more grandiose statements that was taken out of context. But that's the closest he came to it during the time of Miss Universe. And again, I know that because I was there. Well, that's kind of one of his MOs, though, either being delayed or being late. They were late to that.

They were late to the Trump Tower meeting. They were late to the Helsinki Summit that he likes to be late. It's, I think, it's a power play. But you had said in your book here that you had two choices to try to get trump to try to contact trump himself through ronograph email junior don junior and you you said you felt he was more likely to respond why do you think he was more likely to respond because

if i'm being brutally honest and why not honest is a good thing i don't think too many people were asking too much of Don Jr. I think everybody was focused on Ivanka or on Jared. And so I thought, you know what, let me send this to Don Jr. It might just grab his attention. And if I could write it in the right way

using what Emma told me and beef it up a bit, puff it up a bit, puff it up a bit, it'll probably get his attention. And as you'll note from the email, in it, what I actually suggest is that he and Emin speak directly about this. And again, it gets overlooked, not by everyone, but a lot. His answer wasn't, dear Rob, I would love to have a meeting how about tomorrow. His answer was, if it's what you say it is, I love it and we can talk about that in a second because I have a different interpretation of that. But then he says, perhaps you're right, I should just speak with them in first and I then said up the call and the rest is history. So my email I've always maintained got the call. It didn't get the meeting.

After they'd had the call, I got an email from Don, saying thanks for upsetting it up. And then Emma emails me and goes, oh, he knows all about it. The meeting's gonna be on whatever date is Thursday. I can give one on the Thursday. And Don then says, oh, and I believe it will be me plus Paul Manifold and Jarrah Kushner. So I thought, oh, well, that must have been some call,

because now it's gone from me asking for some call and a meeting with Don and the lawyer to Jarrah Kushner and the chairman of the campaign being in the meeting. So I just want to ask that when people say to me, why wouldn't you Rob Gosa and to me, why wouldn't you rob ghosts and a thought? Why wouldn't a bell have gone off and you've gone? You can't have this meeting, like with a rush. Well, I grew up in Manchester, England. I had no idea whether I could have

a meeting or not. I wasn't even supposed to be at the meeting. Wouldn't Paul Manafort have known that? You know, once he was brought into it, well, it never even crossed my mind that there could be anything wrong with it, because the chairman of the campaign was due to be in the meeting. So, you know, again, that's the course of events, that how it actually happened, but as I said, I've always maintained my email,

although it said following my email and meeting, there was a caller in the middle, that's what got the meeting, not my email, although it said following my email and meeting, there was a call in the middle. That's what got me to not my email. Well, you would think Maniford would know better. And maybe he did. That's a whole theory. And again, maybe he did. Yes, lots of people say that maybe he did know better, but I was saying, you know, what I'm willing to, you know, buy the bullet for this one and say, yes, maybe I should have known better, but I didn't. But you would think that the chairman of the campaign might. Yeah. Well, when you, you know, you didn't explicitly say anything about why you thought Don Jr. would be more likely to take the meeting, but reading between the lines, it did seem

kind of like an ego thing to me at least. Again, I go back to the fact that if I was an idiot in all of this, he was maybe only slightly marginally above the title of idiot when it comes to politics perhaps, but it doesn't matter. There was a campaign chairman in there. I don't want to throw poor manifold or anybody else under a buffy thrown himself in the quite a big enough fuss without you don't have to the United States intelligence agencies have thrown him under the bus just fine. Even if I was an idiot or someone else would, there's a campaign chairman involved in this. Why wouldn't he have said we can't have this meeting and the implication to me was, well you can have it.

So I leave it there, but that's all I have to say, but I will absolutely come back and speak to you anytime and I wish you the best of all. Great. I really appreciate it. Can't wait to talk to you about that. Everybody's book is called Pop Stars, Pageants and Presidents, how an email trumped my life. It's available wherever books were sold. Rob Goldstone, thanks for coming on Mueller. She wrote. Pleasure. Go, Stam! So crazy you got that interview. I know it's weird my life is weird

He was just so happy. I wasn't a jerk to him. That is nice. Yeah refreshing. I'm sure for someone in his position Yeah, yeah No, and you know he you know as he said in the interview is like look man I just set up a phone call. I didn't even set up the meeting I set up the phone call and then I washed my hands with it and nothing out of her out of her occurred to me. He's British anyway. He's not familiar with the laws. He's trying to put it behind him. He is. I liked how he left it open to the end. He's like, I'm pretty sure nothing went down in that meeting, but we'll see. We'll see. I'm like, yes, we will see. That's the great thing about Mueller.

And I thought it was funny that he said the whole reason he wanted to do the interview because he loved the name of our podcast so much. That's amazing. It was genius. That's cool. If you want to hear the entire 50 minute interview unedited, we're releasing it as a bonus episode for patrons. So to become a patron and get access to all of our bonus content, you can do that at patreon.com slash mullichy. wrote.

Um, let's see what else happened this week. CBS requested the unceiling of the Cohen warrants on Wednesday. Um, they aren't the first news organization to do so. Mueller will likely file a motion to block this, as it could jeopardize an open and ongoing investigation, just as he's done the last couple of times. People wanted to unceil the Cohen warrants. So look for that filing this week. Watch these space beans. Also, Wednesday, an independent federal investigative agency called American Oversight, is looking into whether Matthew Fucking Whitaker violated the Hatch Act by accepting contributions to his 2014 Senate campaign earlier this year.

What? 2014? Earlier this year, you say? Yes. Last January, four individuals donated a total of $800 to the committee for Whitaker's losing 2014 run for Senate, according to FEC documents. A spokesperson for the Office of Special Counsel, not Mullers, but a different Office of Special Counsel, confirmed receipt

of the complaint and they have opened a case file in the matter. Wow. Wow. That's interesting. He took so much money. Yeah, for a campaign. For a campaign he lost four years ago. That's really sad. What a tilde. Yeah. Then. Then on Thursday, we found out that Goodlott, he's the lame duck chair of the House Judiciary Committee, subpoenaed Comey and Loretta Lynch for a closed-door interview. And this is just a Hail Mary thrown broadside by the embattled Republicans who are about to lose power in the house in a last-ditch effort to try to beat the dead horse known as

Hillary's emails. And it's especially hilarious given that Ivanka Trump is now facing scrutiny for her use of a private email account. Come here responded on Twitter on Thanksgiving saying, hey, happy Thanksgiving guys, I got a subpoena. I'm not going to go. He won't go unless the hearing takes place publicly. Siting that the subpoena is an abuse of process for political reasons.

No comment from Lynch so far. Wow I love the dead horse reference it makes me think that like her email could be dead horse 2016 at Gmail dead Dead horse 69 at a.l. There you go. Do you think oh, sorry? No, go ahead Do you think that Komi has to have specific representation to fight something like that because it seems he just has such a held such a high position You know, I wonder if it would be portform for him to just directly. He's a private citizen now so here's how I figure it will go. He refuses the subpoena. He could be brought into court and he could say go

ahead and hold me in contempt and he could fight the subpoena as what did he call it. He said it was anusive process for political reasons in court just like Miller Andrew Miller is trying to do fight Mueller In court. Do they think he'd do it without council? Yeah, no, he would he would get he would get a lawyer right okay? Maybe get the same lawyer that Birkenband and have Pre-bist or Miller No, cuz he's gonna lose No, because he's going to lose. No, it's always good to have council.

Yeah, especially as a private citizen. Right, the man who represents himself represents a fool. Oh, I don't know where I got that by, I didn't write it, but it sounds good. Then Ross Story reported Thursday that the House Intel Committee Democrats are hiring money laundering experts to investigate Trump's financial ties to Russia. One of the multitude of reasons flipping the House was so important, so thank you for voting. Finally, Friday, the New York Supreme Court threw out Trump's motion to dismiss New York Attorney General Barbara Underwood's lawsuit against the Trump Foundation, crimes that can't

be pardoned by the way because it's a state court. Judge Skarpula, whoo, Judge Skarpula noted that the defendant's quote, have failed to cite a single case in which any court has dismissed a civil action against a sitting president on supremacy clause grounds, whereas here the action is based on the president's unofficial acts. Sweet. And as we know, this Monday is the deadline for Mueller to report to the court just how extensive Manafort's cooperation was. We touched on this earlier. Mueller wanted to hold off for 10 days because he said he would have substantial information. He could give the court if they just wait a little longer. Just hang on guys. I'll have some really good

stuff for you. Anyway, that's the deadline is tomorrow Monday. And we'll see if he indites people or if he asks for more time or if he simply tells the court they're ready to proceed to sentencing without revealing aspects of the ongoing investigation into Russian collusion, which is what we have already touched on this. So we'll look for that. What happens in that?

And also Friday, Trump says he wants his transgender military band to go directly to the Supreme Court, do not pass code, do not collect $200. By passing the lower courts, likely because the conservative balance of scotists might be better odds for him. He's got two judges, he appointed. But scotists very rarely takes those cases and they don't like to circumvent the lower courts. And I'm pretty sure scotists will reject this request despite Trump's arguing it's a matter of national security. It's a matter of national security.

Escalade it to my friends. So dumb. And finally, Trump is eyeing a guy named Ayrs to replace John Kelly as his chief of staff. Oddly, Ayrs is Mike Pence's chief of staff, which makes me wonder if everyone thinks Pence could become president soon. Could just be a coincidence. I don't know. We'll be right back.

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Alright guys, time for Hot Notes. Today, Jordan is going to go over Trump's embarrassing public appearances. But first, Julie says racial maddo segment features a story about a contentious westwing meeting regarding the deployment of troops to the border over the holidays. Julie said what do you have for us? Oh yeah. So on Thursday, political published an article called Firey Westwing Meeting led to more power for military at US Mexico border. So basically some of Trump's cabinet members squared off with some of the White House aides over an order. That's a picture of my head of people like getting ready to battle. I do too. I do run

like West Side Story. Yeah. And they're snapping. I thought the same thing as the Sleppy Hens. Yeah, or like the video for Michael Jackson's bad. Yes. You know, where they're dancing and having the knife fight. I'm sitting in my head. We're kindred spirits. That's exactly across my mind. Excellent. Yes So, um, basically some of the Trump cabinet members claim that this order is beyond the president's Constitutional powers and keep in mind It's all comes after the army lieutenant general who's overseeing this southern border told a political that the 5,000 troops deployed there did not have the authority to use lethal force to protect border patrol agents.

So the order that was behind beyond his power is the use of lethal force? Exactly. Yeah. When he said like, if they throw rocks, it's like a gun. He meant it. Yeah. So as a result, Trump just whipped up an executive order,

hot off the press, granting troops deployed at the southern border the right to use lethal force to defend border patrol agents. This was immediately after this claim was made so he was like on it. And it's kind of like a ask for permission to kill and you shall receive situation. So in response, the cabinet, White House aids and advisors all got together and had a calm and productive discussion about immigration. I'm kidding, of course not. They exploded into full-on war. I was like looking over your shoulder like this on what that says.

I love it. Are you reading that? Are you high? Are you reading that correctly? I'm doing both. I love it. You're like my very productive meeting. It was super nice. No one's a fuck once. Except for just now. And on one side of the arguments, leading the charge against Trump was chief of staff, John Kelly, and Department of Homeland Security, Secretary Christian Nielsen, and their main opponents on the issue were senior policy adviser Stephen Miller. We should call him Stephen fucking Miller. And President of the National Immigration and Custom Enforcement Council, Chris Crane, was there, and President of the Border Patrol Union, Brandon Judd, was there. I thought it was also fun to mention that Mike Pence was there, but he refused to take a stand, which is true,

Pence fashion. I just like figure he would just sit in there sipping his tea or something. He knows that's bullshit. Yeah, yeah. Even Pence, the like the most fucked up guy in the universe is like, this is beyond me. Yeah, yeah. He's watching them like children just fight over this. And eventually even Kelly and Nielsen cave to the president's position, probably because they know it's gonna get struck down and Trump's gonna fire them anyways but nonetheless on Tuesday the order was signed granting the military lethal authority at the border. So the only person that

was actually still openly opposed to this order of all people was Emmett Flood. He was in that two flood. He's actually one of the reasonable adults in the White House right now. It's interesting. He's the guy who we thought was going to take over from again. I think he is temporarily a White House counsel, but he's one of Trump's lawyers, especially in the Russia case. Yeah. He's got to get him a shoulder, at least about this immigration issue. He warned that the order was likely to run into constitutional roadblocks, which I assume is fled, talk for. I wouldn't do that if I were you.

No, but if it's overturned, it's because the ninth circuit is full of Obama judges. It's not because of what I'm doing is illegal. Exactly. Nilsen claims that there was no argument over the order. So this is her saying that, quote, I have been clear, our agents and officers must have the ability to protect themselves and to be protected by others if they face critical situations on the border. So she just changed her mind. and now she's claiming the fight never happened. So, you know, trying to look like they're professional, but... There's a big damn difference between authorization to use lethal force and defending yourself if you're attacked.

That's too leafyly. Like, nothing. You know what? Yeah, no, that's exactly what I was just thinking. It's like, okay, if a four-year-old comes up to you and is about to kill you then... But like, if somebody in the caravan comes up and rips off his Honduran mask and he's an ISIS underneath, which is how they would say it. That's how they imagine it. He's an ISIS, they're all ISIS. Yes.

And ISIS with leprosy, which actually wouldn't be a threat. But anyway, you know, if there is a dangerous person who has a firearm who shoots at a soldier, yes, you have authorization to use lethal force, that's within the Geneva conference. It's when the laws of engagement, it's in the military, you need to form a code of military justice. So, you know, these are things you can do. And you don't need to sign a separate order to make that okay. And that's what it sounds like, Kristen Nielsen, Kirsten. Yeah, Christian with a Jail. It's very, it's Kirsten.

Kirsten, oh the Jail Island because she's Y-A-F. Wow. Kirsten Nielsen is the one who's like, no, you know, no, this is about that. It's about they're being able to protect themselves. No. Not as the biggest pile of wood. It's about getting your base, your idiotic base, riled up about that.

Yeah, yeah. She's pulling a blue lives matter, or green lives, whatever. And it's also about, you know, if they do shoot some children or some refugees or some asylum seekers, women or whatever, or unarmed men, then they'll be able to say we had this authorization signed. Yeah.

She's, I hate her. Yeah, and not all laws are good. Yeah, for sure. So with that all being said, this order clearly demonstrates the extent of the president's immigration powers, even if they are self-imposed. But a lot of legal experts are saying that Trump shouldn't hold his breath because his executive orders on immigration

have been suspended before. Even recently, with his order denying a silence to some migrants illegally crossing the border. Also earlier this month a judge ruled that Trump's decision to end DACA or DACA was unconstitutional. So naturally I'm expecting the same fate for this most recent order considering that it also violates a federal law that prohibits the U.S. military from acting as law enforcement agents on American soul. It's called the Posse something law. Do you know how to pronounce that? It's the one that they're using in this argument. It just means that they can't protect it.

P-O-S-S-E? Exactly. Yeah. Posse law. So yeah, basically there's already that precedent that says they can't do this. So we're just waiting for the judge to structure it. In the military, the military rules also say that. It's just, I don't, that's just messed up to me. I don't, and it'll get overturned. They're drying down the troops anyway. They're not going to even be engaging. Yeah, it's showboding. But, yeah, but in the fact, I don't know, it's just, yeah, it's the dumbest thing. Like, you were like, oh, I'm going to sign this thing says you can use lethal force. That makes me wonder if Trump actually thinks that this caravan is a threat, which I don't think he does or he would have mentioned it after the election. But his base might actually it doesn't, he knows that.

Right. Well, thank you for that reporting. Damn, for sure. I'm like a dick. Whoa. And I read it. They had a very productive meeting. Yeah.

It's just such an absurd decision and thing to try to pedal. It's absolutely absurd. It's just so, and I don't want to, I shouldn't say that. It's just so dictatorial. It's so banana pedal. It's absolutely absurd. It's just so, and I don't wanna, I shouldn't say that. It's just so dictatorial. It's so banana republic. It's so, I mean, I would call it Nazi, that what point?

Yeah, I was gonna say trying to create some sort of formalized language that will justify you potentially killing children. Yeah, and that's pretty Nazi-like. I think the reason I don't wanna use Nazis, because that is specifically an anti-Semitic situation. Yeah, we could find a different word Trump and these are Hondurans and Venezuelans and Guatemalans and Mexicans and people, you know, people South America, Central and South America.

So I don't want to take away from the horror of the Holocaust and Nazi Germany that the Jews faced by using that same terminology. I'm kind of trying to be really cognizant of that. You're right, I appreciate that. It needs its own term. I should distinguish it too. And if you like us, you know, if I said, you know, them keeping me three extra minutes at yoga is slavery. Right, I'd be like, come on, A.G.

So we could you find another word? And I'd be like, yeah, I should probably do that. So, it's that kind of thing. It's just that kind of respect for what happened with them. Anyway, sorry, didn't want to go into that, but we'll come up with another term. In fact, if you have a term for it, banana republic dictatorial, and something that's Nazi-like, but not Nazi, not the word Nazi, for Trump supporters, add us.

Yeah, yeah. Or for what's going on the border or you know, it's his administration. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Send it at us on Twitter at Moller Street Road. I want to know what you what we should call it. Because we need a new word. We do.

Jordan, tell us about the amazing and completely, I don't know, well spokenness of our dear leader this week in the Fox News interview and that amazing phone call to the troops. I'm really excited to hear about this. Yeah, so Trump went on Fox News and gave a very typical interview for himself on Friday. By typical, of course, I mean, it was like riddled with delusions of grandeur, warp senses of reality and the devil's whispered. But so it's the devil's whisper but so it's

Sounds like a perfume The devil's whisper Oh, yeah by Ivanka oh Nice. Yeah, it'll be it'll be on shelves next week It comes out after her fragrance as her by John So so Chris Wallace starts out the interview. Also, I have to give Matt props to Chris Wallace again in this interview. He does a really good job of pressing Trump on things that he just does not want to hear at all. And I love anyone that's going to make Fox News a hostile working environment for Trump.

That makes me very happy. So they start out the interview. Trump starts out by saying that the White House is working like a well oiled machine. Then turns to the camera and is like shatter to my big oil homies. Just kidding. He did. He always says well. No machine, doesn't he? Yeah. It boiled with schmiernaf ice. Yeah. Because when he was born, they were still using that for everything. I should to be contextual here. Because we got that really great compliment that we were curatorial journalist from Seth Abramson in the Guardian this week. What I mean by Shmere Nafais.

Tell them, Jordan. Yeah, well I imagine you're talking about the White House staffers that were in charge of vetting people security clearances that were all Shmere Naf icing. Yeah, they were icing each other, which apparently very professional is hiding Shmere Noff Ice around and whoever finds it has to chug it. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Good times when I was 18. And not in charge of national security.

Oh, it's freaking awful. Good. You weren't charged national security when you were 18. I didn't think so. I mean, I could have been. You weren't like rushing the sorority and also vetting folks to work at the White House while chugging schmierdoth ice. Yeah, that's what I picture.

Right. Anyway, to be fair, all of us had the same experience that Donald Trump does. So, it's all a little playing field. I feel like they play a game of beer pong to decide who's gonna be, you know, the principal deputy under secretary of health. There's something. Wow.

You're probably right. All right, if I sink this one, it's totally going to be this guy. God, it's a horrifying image. That's probably what's happening behind those stories. OK, so Trump continues in the beginning, right off the top of the interview, he's just rambling for a while, explaining himself

about stuff walls never asked him. It was like, like, if you ask an insecure person how they're doing, they're like, well, you know, hey, there's going to be a, but I'm just out here doing my thing. Just, just me doing my thing. I'm doing my best, which is the best. It just what it's saying, while it's like, okay, they were standing to. I think they were sitting. I would say, yeah, I think they were standing.

They were sitting in a Roosevelt room, I'm pretty sure. But yeah, while this is just like, well, we'll start unpacking everything that you just said when my one. Everyone here does that as suspect. People, if you can't handle me at my worst, you don't deserve me at my best. Yeah, haters gonna hate.

Or you know what, these people, when I'm like, are you like an asshole? Does everyone hate you? Because if a lot of people hate you, it might be time to take a swim in like you It might be time to look in or inside That's a really good point. Yeah. And find out like why you have so many haters Yes, but there are people who I think live off as like Trump or Jacob Wall or Cohen or Roger Stone These are like people who Love it when people hate them.

1000%? That's weird. Yeah. And then the people that can't just answer, I'm doing great, Chris. Thank you. How are you? Let's start the interview.

Everything's great. Normal person would. Yeah. We're a little of machine. I'm the best. What? Yeah, it's like God. Oh, oh, oh, oh.

It's like God. It's like the Todd on scrubs. Oh, he always has to be like, I'll double you on Tondra high five. Whoop. Oh, you're like, oh my God, that's that'll be great. Super over the top. Yeah.

So once they actually start getting to real questions, Chris Wallace asks him about the firing of just sessions, obviously, and about Matthew fucking Whitaker, and him being the replacement. He asked Trump if he knew about Whitaker's position on the Mueller probe to which Trump had the audacity to respond. He knew nothing about Whitaker's take on the Mueller probe, guys.

He didn't even really know the guy. I think that should be a big red flag when the good answer to the reason you chose the guy for a job is I don't know him. He's not the true, that's still not good. Yeah, I think still not good. Yeah, I think it's start. Trump goes on to say that if Whitaker makes moves to restrict or animal or probe that he will not step in

and he will just let Whitaker do his job, what a noble boss he is. He doesn't like to interfere in things, only elections. He says he's done answering the written questions. We talked about this, AG talked about this a little bit earlier as they relate to collusion and that there were no questions on obstruction of justice because he didn't obstruct justice, which means by that logic that if he does answer the collusion questions, he must have colluded or else they wouldn't have asked the questions.

It's so dumb. I think they say, I think the whole thing is, I can't obstruct justice because I am justice. In Spanish, I am La La. Oh, that's good. That's good. Yeah. Trump's never heard that in his life. Yeah.

It makes him uncomfortable just to even hear it. Ha. Yeah. So, they wrap up the molar questions and Wallace turns to the conversation of the Saudi ordered killing of Kashoggi and he says that he doesn't know what the truth is and that nobody will ever know what the truth is. This is Trump saying this, but that MBS did say that he didn't do it and there are, quote, reports that a lot of people close to him said he didn't do it either.

So in the North Korean conflict fashion, he's just going to believe the dictator and ask no questions because he'll never know. I'll never know. Close to him said he didn't do it. Right. The king, some other crown princes, another prince, they all said no. Again, completely ignoring the intelligence community that did come to the conclusion that he did have a major role in ordering that killing.

That's amazing. Yeah. And so then after that, they move on to the midterms, and he says that the midterms were a huge victory for him. He says that he won the Senate, and then Wallace does ear porn and list off all the voting demographics that he lost, and Trump has to respond to his failures, and this is what he says. He says, I wasn't on the ballot. My name was nowhere on the ballot. It's like okay well then which is it? Did you win or was your name

not on the ballot? You're a fucking child. Wait he didn't say that. He didn't ask him that right? Or is that just what you he did? He did? Well what did he say? Yeah yeah yeah he said he totally grills him on this. He's like he's what he didn't ask what. Oh so basically was this a referendum on you? He's like my name was on the ballot. He's like yeah but he doesn't ask what. Oh, so basically was this a referendum on you? He's like, my name was on the ballot. And he's like, yeah, but he doesn't ask specifically if it was a referendum on him, but when he brings up all the gains that the Democrats got, then he switches to,

my name wasn't on the ballot. He just says that. He just comes right out and gets defensive. And it's like, I didn't lose. My name wasn't on the ballot. When they talked about the Senate. When they talked about the Senate. Because that's usually what I get from Trump supporters when I talk about how we just

completely wipe the floor with their asses in the House. And they're like, well, we retain the Senate, we gain two seats. Right. Yeah. That's what he says in the beginning, is that he won the Senate and he wants to take credit for it and say that he won it. Then as soon as Wallace switches over to talking about the House, that's when he starts saying, well, my name wasn't even on the ballot, I didn't lose anything. And it's like,

well, what are you trying to say that you were? You weren't. Then they move on to then. Then Wallace asks him about some stuff that he said relating to how the military handled Osama Bin Laden, incidental who's saying, did you see this? Yes. What he says. Yeah, it's for, it's, it's crazy. He's, again, he's done this before, but just the fact that he's still doing it, he says that they should have gotten him quicker. Any questions, see efficiency of the team that got Osama Bin Laden and Chris

Wallace is like, are you seriously going to try to not even give them credit for Bin Laden right now? This is when he brings up McCraven and Chris Wallace is like, are you seriously gonna try to not even give them credit for been loud and right now? This is when he brings up McCraven and Trump says, it's a Clinton fan. Did he say that? Exactly. Clinton fan. He interrupts him to say Hillary Clinton fan.

Basically saying that if you're in the military and you are not a Trump supporter, he thinks you suck. Yep. This was a particularly infuriating point of the interview. So I'm glad you brought it out. So I'd like to reenact it if I may. Okay, so Wallace says, Bill McRaven, retired Admiral,

Navy SEAL 37 years, former head of US Special Operations, Trump interrupting, Hillary Clinton fan. Wallace says, Special Operations, Trump interrupts again, excuse me,

Hillary Clinton fan. Wallace says, who love the operations, commanded the operations that, excuse me, Hillary Clinton fan. Wall says, who love the operations, commanded the operations that took down Saddam Hussein, and that killed Osama bin Laden says that your sentiment is the greatest threat to democracy in his lifetime. Trump says, okay, he's a Hillary Clinton, a backer, and an Obama backer, and frankly, and that Wall still is interrupting, thank you, walls. He was a Navy SEAL 37 years. Trump says, wouldn't it have been nice if we got a song of blood and a lot sooner than that? Wouldn't it have been nice, you know, living, think of this, living in Pakistan beautifully in Pakistan.

And what I guess they considered a nice mansion, I don't know. I've seen nicer, but living in Pakistan right next to the military academy everybody in Pakistan I don't know I've seen nicer You just have to slip that in he's never been to Pakistan he won't go anywhere near any place where our troops are because he's a goddamn chicken shit Yeah, because the only commentary he can add it relates to mansions I don't know. There were no golden toilets, fail, two stars, two stars. Yeah, it's embarrassing of as everything he says is.

So I'm sorry, Admo McRaeven. I love you. I think you're amazing. Yeah, I don't know whether to laugh or cry sometimes when I hear this. And the guy who shot Ben Laden O'Neill, I think is his name. He was like, oh my God, I can't even believe he did that. None of us, no one in the military cares who you voted for. None of us, not one.

That's not what we're here for. That's absolutely just incredible that he said that shit. It is so disrespectful. So disrespectful. I still can't. And every, it seems like on a daily basis, he comes out with something that's just completely disironorable to veterans and active duty.

He's sending the 6,000 troops to the border. And these are just some recent things. The fact that 80,000 veterans have not received their GI bill payments and he's done nothing about it. He hasn't even mentioned it. He hasn't even apologized for it. The fact that he's trying to privatize the VA by making permanent the Choice Act, which was supposed to be temporary, is going to cost cost taxpayers a zillion more dollars because if you send a veteran out

to the private sector, it costs anywhere from 115% to 500% of what Medicare rates are. And if you send them to a military treatment facility or the Department of Veterans Affairs, it's 80% or less of what Medicare rates are. That's your tax dollars that pay that. And the care is subpar and the wait times are longer. So he wants to make that permanent because his buddies down at Mar-a-Lago have decided that that's gonna be the best

for their stocks and their personal finances. And those are just two examples. We go all the way back to him and make him fun of the Gold Star family, be an addict to the widow on the phone. John McCain. John McCain, John McCain. And I think recently Cindy McCain said she didn't want to come

and had to invite him because she wanted to be a respectful event. And just every day he does something. And I just don't get veterans and active duty service members who can possibly back him. I don't understand. Ignorance of his actual quotes, because Fox doesn't always show the Trumps that we see.

They sometimes show the better parts, or they try to spend the bad parts and young people that are probably in the military. I mean, I don't really know them personally because most of my friends are not Trump supporters, but I would imagine in San Diego, which probably a lot of young people in the military that could be Trump supporters just because they think he's a fun guy and they don't know, they don't see how he clearly disregards them and disrespects them. I'm going to say something that could be considered controversial. Ready?

Ready to hit the record button. E-Miles open, but pretty much every single veteran and an active duty service member I know is shocked by these things. But there are several people who aren't. There are a handful of them who aren't, who still support Trump. And I'll have to say about that is that not everybody in the military is a hero. My rapist was in the military. And so there you go.

Yeah. That's all I got to say about that. That's a fair point. Yeah. And speaking of the troops, he does this Thanksgiving call that's you've seen in the news. I'm sure he does teleconference. This is so good. Mm-hmm.

He does a teleconference with feel free to jump into a G. Please, with any of your commentary, especially as a member. I never do, though, I always. I know. I know a really weird place for it, or randomly, say it. I don't ever interject anything when you guys are talking. Ever had a carry turn, yeah. Yeah.

I just needed feel free to hijack my hot notes on this topic, specifically, at any point in time that you feel you would like to. So he does a he does a teleconference with the five branches of military and he is that the correct lingo to say? Yeah, five branches of the armed forces. Yeah, forces. What you said. Thank you. Okay. Although the Marines aren't technically their own branch, they belong to the Navy. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. We love you Marines. People in the Navy like to point that out. That's right. They are your own full and formidable branch. So yeah, Marine Corps. Hero beef

Marine Corps Army Navy Air Force and Coast Guard. Yeah, okay. Yes. So Trump he does this is this is a thing that is done year after year by presidents and Trump made an awful decision this year to politicize something that is historically something that is not politicized. Yeah, it's usually sacred and kept to themselves. Yes, but because he doesn't visit any troops, he felt like it would make it look good, make him look like I care about the troops. Right. So he calls, he calls on a teleconference and does all of the things that people, you know, typically do the niceties of saying, happy Thanksgiving, thankful for your work, thank you for everything that you do.

But then he can't stop himself and he goes on to talk about politics with the troops directly on a live teleconference. He goes on and on about a caravan, for example. He talks about the ninth circuit as we talked about and how they do nothing for him and they do nothing for us. He talks about, he even asks, he calls out troops specifically and asks them for their opinions on things. Opinions on topics that he's getting heat for in the media right now. It didn't have a couple soldiers over to dinner at the White House to ask them about what he should do.

Did we cover this in the book report? Remember how he had some soldiers over to... What was it asking him what he should do about? Oh yeah. What was it? Yes, I don't remember, but I know. Yes, that rings. Like a hundred years ago.

I don't know what three soldiers, and he's he's like no we have to pull out of Afghanistan He won in the Afghan war and so he was telling his generals fuck you I don't listen to you you guys are full shit. I want three soldiers in here and Matt as I growl as I like a hot Jesus Christ So he had dinner with three soldiers who are like yeah kind of sucks over there And you know, I don't understand why we're there So he's like see unanimous we're pulling out of Afghanistan based on that. I didn't know you had with the three soldiers. I appreciate him going down to that level to do that. But like, you know, I think he's just looking for backing

for what he wants to do already. Right. Exactly. I think that's also largely a populism stunt since he knows that that's what people in his base are getting really fired up about. He politicizes it. So when he's talking about the caravan, he even goes so far as to say later on that it's a terrible thing when judges take over your protective services when

they tell you how to protect the border. It's a disgrace. It's like, yeah, isn't it so annoying when people that haven't lifelong Justices versus ethics and precedent want to overrule the decisions made by Negro maniacal hack was zero public service in his resume Dude, hey, what happens? Yeah, it's the worst that feeling when TFW that being interesting me might see yeah, yeah, it's pretty nice by FTW Yeah, he, it's pretty niche, but... WFTW. Yeah, he's gonna hate... Yes. So, not too much super-specific reporting came out about exactly what was said, but the

main takeaway is he took a call that is generally used as something that is apolitical and is used to just legitimately think our armed service members for everything that he do for this country. And he turned it in to arguably a political stunt at worst, at best, a time for him to talk about and just rant about his political ideology. And that was not appreciated at all by the members of the armed services. My favorite part was the discussion about steam versus electromagnetic. But I'm not gonna go into that. Yeah, he said that it's like something like is Albert Einstein would have to operate that stuff

to make it work well. And the guy's like, yeah, you gotta be it. And we do. And we do it well. He said you gotta be an Einstein to work steam. No. Yeah, and I think he was talking to them saying that it would take a genius to operate nuclear power plants Or something and then the person was like it does and we have this

Mm-hmm, and then it goes and we're doing it well Yeah, yeah as a as a Navy nuke I was like mm-hmm, and I think he I can't confirm or deny this. I think he was saying something about coal and How you like want to bring, like, well, you and the difference between coal and steam for the nuclear reactors. And I was like, um, nuclear reactors also make steam. So I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I,

it's, sometimes there's too much HG being smart person trying to decode what an idiot says. It, you just got to walk away. I know. I couldn't though. I watched it and I was disgusted. And then I shared it with all my new friends like guys, he wants to bring coal back.

Anyway, so here's what I want to go over about a year ago in December. We did an episode about the Marshall plan. It was so long ago that we still called Mueller Mueller. And you can go ahead and get on our case for that, but everybody in the media was calling him Mueller until we all learned otherwise. If you want to pause and check out that episode and then come back, it might help you with the backstory a bit, but I'll sum it up here too. But yeah, anyway, the episode is called the Marshall Plan and we start talking about it around Minute 34.

It was a hot note for Jalisa before we even called them hot notes. Because we didn't start calling them hot notes until after episode 16 when we had Shannon Woodward on. That's right. I know, some of them are stealing that. It's up Shannon Woodward. We love you. Basically, the reporting covered the Mayflower event, which was a small cocktail party that took place after a speech in April of 2016.

And it was attended by folks, including sessions, Russian Ambassador Kizliak, Bud McFarland. He's the mentor of K-Team McFarland, the deputy to Flynn. Three other ambassadors from nations involved with the largest ever Russian oil sale of Rosnaft, including Italy, Singapore, and the Philippines. Lewandowski was there, Trump, Jr., and Manafort. Among a couple others. The event was hosted by the Center for National Interest, CNI. That's a right-leaning, rush-aligned group,

and Trump gave a very Russia-friendly speech prior to that cocktail party, talking about how he would ease sanctions. And I think it was actually Maria Bhutina who asked the question, and everyone thought it seemed planted. It was very likely that Bud MacFarland organized the meet-and-greet after the speech because he was well connected with CNI, and he'd been trying to build reactors in Saudi Arabia with the help of Russia since like 2000.

And we know his mentee, KT MacFarland, is connected to Maria Boutina and was nominated to be Trump's ambassador to Singapore after Flynn was fired. And Singapore was one of the ambassadors that was at the Bayflower. So we also now know that she had a hand in getting Tillerson installed as a secretary of state because it was supposed to be Mitt Romney, but Mitt Romney and Trump didn't get along very well. And they ended up picking Tillerson. And he's well known for his ties to Russian oil. It's also a note that this is the party where Sessions met briefly with Kislyak and then lied to Congress about it, which is what forced his recusal from oversight of the Mueller probe.

Then, we have the December meeting between Bud McFarland, Flynn, and KT McFarland, as the Ross Neftyle was closing at Trump Tower. And we knew that we were plotting to have Trump give nuclear power to Saudi Arabia. Since that meeting, Rick Perry, the Energy Secretary, has visited Moscow and Riyadh. And the US needs Russia to help build the reactors, and Russia needs sanctions dropped to do that. And pretty much everyone who lied about Russian contact and everyone who helped fire Komi was at that Mayflower meeting in April. And then don't

forget about Flynn and Copson. We'd reported a long time ago that Flynn was seen at the inauguration on the day as texting his business partner Copson telling him this is it buddy the sanctions are gonna get ripped up. And Copson has since sent a couple of proposals for building reactors in Saudi Arabia. His idea was to station US troops at the reactors so they could begin their quote colonization of the Middle East, which is frightening. And that's what we kind of thought this whole thing was going for was to recolonize the Middle East.

But also the pitch that McFarlane and Flynn made Trump on Saudi Arabia involved Iran. The idea being that if the US gifted nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia, they could do it, but they'd have to do it with civilian reactors and not military reactors because we can't just give military nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia to counter Iran without a problem. So they're like, I don't know, it's just civilian reactors. It's fray dangerous. It's like a handing a kid that's going to bully the gun. And that's where Eric Prince comes in with his meeting

because he's a pipeline guy. And his meeting was set up by Nader on behalf of the United Arab Emirates in the Seychelles. Remember that meeting? And we now know they discussed the easing of sanctions on Russia. And they want to make trade normal again, quote unquote. And don't forget, we also reported that Rick Perry, Trump's energy secretary, has made a couple of trips to discuss building reactors.

I think I just mentioned that. Sorry, that's a repeat. Well, now there's new reporting out this week from the New York Times. Yay, New York Times, to say you're late. And the lead said, I'm sorry, I love the New York Times. But the lead, because there's new information. And this is why they put the story out. The lead says that before MBS was, uh, Mohammed bin Salman was implicated by the CIA and the

killing of Kushouji. American intelligence agencies were trying to determine if MBS was laying the groundwork to build a nuclear bomb. Uh, MBS has been negotiating with the Energy Department, um, and the State Department, Rick, Rick Perry and Rex Tillerson up until recently, to get the US to sell reactors to the kingdom in a deal worth $80 billion. The rub is that Muhammad Boneson wanted to produce his own nuclear fuel, which makes no sense because you can buy it abroad for way cheaper.

And this raised concerns with the United States intelligence agencies that they were trying to enrich their own uranium to build a bomb. And that's exactly what Obama was concerned about with Iran, which is why we signed the Iran nuclear deal that Trump has since pulled out of. MBS even said earlier this year that if Iran develops a bomb, Saudi would follow as soon as possible. And he would refuse to sign an agreement that would allow UN inspectors to inspect the fuel enrichment sites.

Brad Sherman, who's a Democratic member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, has said, quote, a country that can't be trusted with a bonsoh, shouldn't be trusted with nuclear weapons, unquote. But Saudi leaders saw an opening when Trump stole the election and Flynn backed a plan that would have let Moscow and the US supply re-ad with reactors, but Russian sanctions would have to be dropped or eased. So now, if we ask ourselves, knowing everything we know now, why was there a push to drop Russian sanctions? Why KT McFarlane and Flynn and Tillerson were hired? Why Trump refused to punish

Muhammad Bonsoh for the murder of Kashoggi? Why he's trying to buy Turkey silence by asking if there's a legal way we can deport Gulen who Turkey tried to play Flynn $15 million to kidnap an extra night, why we pulled out of the Iran nuclear deal, why Rick Perry has visited Moscow and Riyadh, why the United Arab Emirates set up the Seychelles meeting with Prince and oil pipeline guy, and why we still don't know what happened to that 19% commission from the sale of Rosnacht. It kind of becomes clear that in exchange for a shitload of money and assistance in stealing an election, Trump is working on behalf of Saudi Arabia to develop a nuclear bomb. It seems pretty clear to me.

Flynn's sentencing hearing is December 4th. I'm not sure how much we'll learn in those hearings, but puts some beans on it. That's great. I really enjoyed that. Great. Great reporting. Holy shit. Yeah, that's what I meant. Yeah. This whole thing sucks. Dude, the building of bomb thing made my heart sink. Like that does feel very real and terrifying. Because when we first discussed this December 17th of last year, sitting around my kitchen table, we were like, they're trying to recolonize the Middle East. What's the point?

Like, we were trying to figure out what is the point of building 16 nuclear reactors in Saudi Arabia? Like, what are they trying to do? They're trying to build a bomb to counter Iran. And I don't think, and this was a Rex Tillerson thing who was an oil guy, but I, now John Bolton, I don't think John Bolton would be against that either. He hates Iran. He wants to bomb them so hard. So this is very scary to me, and this shouldn't be allowed to happen. But I think that this

is part of that six nation bargain, the grand bargain that Seth Abramsen talks about. What we've talked about, as far as the whole Mayflower meeting, and the Marshall Plan is what we were calling it. I don't remember where I heard that, because I know that there was a Marshall Plan way back in the day, but that's kind of what they were calling it. They were referring it to it as the Marshall Plan to build reactors. But we honestly thought it was just because they wanted

to get more bases and troops out there. Yeah, and get money. It's the whole thing. There's money in war, and then there's war in war. Well, I figured they wanted to put money in the pockets of contractors for the military, you know, private contractors, you know, the war machine. Yeah, the military industrial complex.

But when you start talking about Saudi Arabia wanting to build a bomb, wanting to enrich their own uranium, just like Iran was doing, but they don't want anyone to inspect it, and now Trump is going out of his way not to condemn the murder of Kashoggi, and even going as far as trying to silence Turkey with another human life. Like, what is he getting out of it? And I can't help but think of that 19% commission that's missing from the Ross Neff deal, that extra $50 million that was in his inauguration fund. The $30 million that came from the NRA and dark money donations.

How did he get paid? Holy shit, AG. Anyway, that's all super space beans. We've got a big sabotage segment coming up. You guys stick around. We'll be right back. Hey Muller junkies, do you like ice cream as much as we do? If so, and you live in the DC area, there is now a food truck that is Mueller themed that serves ice cream and it's called guilty pleasures. And joining us today is Dave Severs from moveon.org. He has created this ice cream truck and it's a project of moveon.org and he's with us today. Thanks for being on Mueller. She wrote Dave. Glad to be here. Thank you. The truck is called guilty pleasures and puts us on please in the last word.

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Yes! All right, you guys. So I still have, I still think, and I don't know if what is Whitaker's gonna block this, but I still have Stone, Jr., a Sange, Corsi, and a boutinople agreement. That's what I'm thinking this week. Okay. I believe I had stone for sure, but I also had DT junior still, you've all got still, Eric still, and then I wanna say I had a fifth that was not kush,

but I almost... You're coursing. Oh, I actually coursing. Actually, when at the last minute, the sabotage was coursing, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so I'm gonna keep them, because that's the best way to play it this week.

I still feel weird about the having the kids on there, but I mean, do you think anything will happen? You said, butina? I don't think anything will happen with the kids yet. So if I were you personally, I would do exactly what I just said, but. Yeah, but that makes sense. I always try to like think something.

Because I don't think a vodka's gonna be indicted. You're right. There's no point having a different angle if it's wrong. But I think a sange is gonna be indicted when stone gets indicted. Now that makes sense. So I would always hook a different angle if it's wrong, but I think a sange is going to be indicted when stone gets indicted Now that makes sense. So I would always hook a sange and corsi to stone Okay, the thing that's so stone a sange corsi for sure now junior could be hitched to that where he could be the next level up And boutina plea agreement is a separate thing in a different court

Mm-hmm So if I were you I would work if you wanted to switch out junior and Bhutina if you wanted to do. Yeah, okay, you know what I mean I will take out Ivanka and Eric. I'll keep junior. I'll have junior stone, Corsi, Bhutina and a Rando. Oh, a Rando. Yeah, I bring it back. Okay, I'm gonna do stone, corci, plea agreement, credit code plea agreement, a sange and Kushner. Nice.

That's a good one. Yeah, I like the combination. I feel good about that one. Yeah, yeah. Are you guys ready for sabotage? Yes. Yes. This is a good one. You guys big news.

Drop Friday. Corsi is cooperating with special counsel Robert Mueller. And in his plea agreement negotiations, according to a person with knowledge of the talks, Corsi could have the key evidence. Lincoln Gucci, Ferdo Stone, WikiLeaks, and the Trump campaign. We definitely can assume Corsi has information of interest to Mueller or there would be no talks. Basically, if his proffer is bullshit, Mueller either hands him off like he did with Cohen,

like it's fucking in my office, or he just doesn't even, he's like, I don't need you. So this means his proffer is worth something to Mueller. We also have to understand that if Mueller gets new and real information, he could go back to the president with additional questions on collusion, like Giuliani was saying, we think there'll be more questions. I don't know why I just did Trump's voice. I mean, they're eguly idiotic.

They're all just the same. This leads me to add a plea agreement, dangler, which is what I'm calling it now. To Corsi, which you already did. Jordan, you thought Played a really new this so I cheated and so I want to let everybody know that if because it a play agreement means You were indicted so you know you always get the points for that so if it's if it's Corsi and that's an outer circle I think it's two points. I can't remember off the top of the head

But let's say it's two points if you add correctly a pre agreement a plea agreement dangler pre agreement You add correctly a pre-agreement, a plea agreement, dangler pre-agreement, dangler. If you add that plea agreement, dangler correctly, you're gonna get an extra point. Now this doesn't give you free reign to just add plea agreement danglers to everyone because you love the free points. I'm not sure how to do that.

It's an honor system. Yeah, but that's what I think. If you get the plea agreement right, you get an extra point. So now I'm gonna have to change to stone, a sange, junior, a corsi plea agreement right, you get an extra point. So now I'm gonna have to change to stone, a son's junior, a Corsi plea agreement, and a boutina plea agreement. Okay.

So you added the plea to boutina, was that the difference or what did you do there? That was, I didn't have Corsia as a plea agreement. Okay. I mean, I did, because I already knew, but I didn't wanna do it until after sabotage. Yeah, so, okay, nice, nice. I'm gonna add the PAD to Corsi too, yeah. Ploe agreement, so okay nice nice. I'm at the the the PAD to course you to yeah plea agreement dangler yeah. All right so you got the

plea the plea agreement dangler all the dangler. Just calm danglers. The dangler there you go. Yeah I was gonna say modifiers but danglers is funny. Yeah. I'm keeping mine the same because I should have known you were gonna do that sabotage. We talked about it last week a little too, right? I'm pretty sure the reason that you added the play agreement dangler to Corsi is because you knew the news that Corsi was in the play agreement. Exactly, yeah, I had already read that.

It's a surprise, everyone. Sorry, sorry. Yeah, I'm gonna keep my the same. Good, all right, cool, well then we have it. If you wanna play the fantasy indictment league, you go to Facebook, you search, what is it? Friends of justice, you find the pinned post in the announcements and then you pick your

five. And there you go. And you can change and modify them up until any indictment drop or plea agreement drop. And then that's how you play. And you can't get into that group unless you're a patron. So if you want to do that, you have to do that. So that's made shout out to our moderator, Jen. Jen Nebaker, yeah.

She's a new moderator to the group. Thank you for doing that. We really appreciate it. And go to patreon.com slash muller she wrote. You can play the fantasy indictment league. Oh, so many points. Yes. So many things.

So many beans. All right, you guys is time for the interview. And I don't have a new... I have no song for the interview. I just look at each other. I wish you guys could see us right then. Sometimes I wish we really had like a video show. That should start. People keep telling us to do that.

Maybe we could set up a shitty web game. Yeah, I get the lighting right in here. We already got the sound. Yeah, I would definitely need to buy some... Because you're wearing a onesie now. I'm sure it's okay. No, I'm not saying you should. I brought a bra on too. It sounded kind of sending. Are you going to wear that? Go to thirdlove.com slash AG nice smooth plug. Thank you. Thank you. They pay for that. No one.

Just me. I do always I do always walk in here just like what a nice job. I'm wearing fucking a wolf sweater. I like it. Your wolf sweater isn't it's like a it's like a it's like that one man wolf pack situation from oh yeah hangover you reminds me of a new Lion King trailer that we tweeted out yeah yeah that's a good Billy I can't hear anything Billy I don't feel listen but holy shit I'm so excited for you in that movie that's my favorite Disney movie of all time yeah and it's crazy because we love the 2D animation. That's what we grew up on.

But this is going to be like what the next generation looks to. Same story, just like upgrade it. When you grew up on, yeah, I was in college when that came out. I'm so sorry. However, when that came out, and obviously everything Disney puts out is so far ahead of its time, that was the incredible animation. Yeah.

They have the side by side now, where you can look at the animation now and the animation then. And I'm all, oh my God. That's crazy. I'm old. All right. Anyway, today in the interview, we're joined by one of the hosts

of a new podcast from Across the Pond. I'm going to go ahead and call them our sister podcasts. They say that they got their name as an homage to Mollershi wrote. And they're absolutely fantastic. Brilliant writers, award-winning writers, so let's have a listen to that interview. Joining us today to discuss his new podcast, Dial M for Muller, is Peter Jukes.

He's a co-host of this new podcast across the pond with Carol Cad Walder and both amazing people and I'm very happy to have you here today. Welcome to Muller Sheerot, Peter. It's such a pleasure to be on here. We pay homage to you with our detour of our podcast. We didn't steal it. We just, it's a homage. Yeah, no, and we're completely honored and it's totally, it's a completely cool name. And I like how you, you know how you guys went Hitchcock. We went, Murder She Wrote, but Angela, you know, yeah, it's very cool.

Yeah, both talking about crimes. It's just the interesting connection. Both shows, both the film and the TV show. Murder She Wrote are about a major crime. I wonder why that is. Yeah, major crimes. And also the mystery that it's kind of shrouded in. We all know Muller has been a real tight-lipped and he doesn't leak. So everything that we've learned about this has pretty much just come out

from either witnesses is testified with them or somebody in the White House leak and stuff on purpose. So it's been really interesting but I wanted to ask you if you could tell us a little bit about how your podcast came to be, but I wanted to ask you if you could tell us a little bit about how Your podcast came to be why you wanted to start it Yeah, so I mean we've been following what you've been doing, you know, you're very very lucky because you have Milla, you know, and I do follow your show, you know The insights of like when they in diamonds for land and when the matter for tearing means I'm completely obsessed by it But and you're very, very lucky because your country builds on laws. You have a lot of bad people in it, but you do have something called the Constitution.

We have something called Preston, and we have a very sort of, I don't know, haphazard way of doing things. So why we got around to the podcast was that mainly Carol, she would be here, but she just collapsed somewhere exhausted, has really been the only journalist following the Brexit side of the Russia story, the Brexit Trump side. And for whatever reason, I've written about this before, I covered phone hacking, a lot in the Murdoch Empire.

I used to pay for immediate organizations of not being covering it. And actually, you could follow even the BBC phone hacking a lot in the murder camp are nice paper media organizations have not been sort of covering it and actually you can follow even the bbc actively suppressing the story of potential Russian intervention in the brexit the referendum vote which happened just before the Trump election. So the podcast is really our own Brexit broadcasting channel. It's like a BBC because Cal was so exasperated that she's a ward-winning journalist who has swept the board with prizes or well-priced, the Stiglars and Tries. National media will not cover it for various

political reasons. It's kind of, you know, it seems to be undermining the legitimacy of beer, this referendum. We don't usually have a referendum, it's like a bad thing to be honest, but there's a great fair of the government is very weak. And so finally, I think after a lot of pressure from Austin, many cows are supporting and me doing it on the side. The R-N-C-A-R-F-B-I, which is called the N-C-A National Crime Agency, is going to investigate the story,

broken the summer, which is a lot of interaction between the major leaf donor. The biggest donor British political history is Pinox compared to America, but it's still 12 million pounds, spent on getting Britain to leave the EU. Lots of Cambridge Analytica Dark Arts involved. Cambridge Analytica is a started in Britain. And we discovered he'd been this guy on the banks on when he was doing this, was in an after-the-russian embassy talking about gold deals and diamond company prioritizations.

Very interesting. Same time as Roseneff, they come nickled out those which they were offering him. We can't track the money if it took them up. So big deals on Russian state assets. So as along with the way they became across this major story, it was difficult to get law enforcement involved. They finally did about two weeks ago, but we still thought most of the British people did not know how Trump, Russia, and Brexit are intimately connected. Yeah, I feel like we've done as much reporting on it over here as we've seen come out of Britain, but yeah, we are, you know, Yeah, now it is, here's an example. Exactly, example.

We broke the story, four stories in the observer, which isn't off shoot of the Guardian in June. And BBC didn't cover it, none the major. One other paper tried to scoop us, and then it all went quiet, but the Washington Post, Jonathan Chaitwese, the New York observer, the New York Times, they all followed up with it. So, you know, we're relying on you guys, which is kind of a form of colonnianism, I think.

Yeah, and we rely often a lot on Russian State TV to tell us what's going on with our president. So I can feel your pain. But, they know better, they know better what is thinking. If you want to know what Trump's thinking, watch our tea dot com. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. But I think that Brexit was pretty much a staging. It was like a dress rehearsal for what went on in the 2016 election in the United States. And but when you know, when we dragged in Cambridge Analytica and and ban and and I think ban and has a lot to do with what went on over there and I think that having you guys as a sister podcast over there to do this from a Brexit point of view is really amazing especially coming up now with Teresa Mayer trying to sell this and you know her exit plan

which everyone's kind of shitting all over and in the wake of... So, you know, London was, they called it the Petri dish. Bannon's set up Cambridge Analytics is registered in London. Initially, it was, he went to Cambridge in 2013. In November, December, just when Trump was going to Moscow, interesting and interesting enough. And also when, if I get the name right, you pronounce it bad, I was sucking up the Internet Research Agency. The bad man goes to Cambridge, he talks to the psychometrics to psychologists there, Copenhagen Kaczynski, and starts up

Cambridge Analytica in the UK. And you also, the other big key thing we have in the UK, I'm not supposed to think about it, but it's where the London Connection might hit home soon with indictments is of course, we have Julian Assange. A friend of mine knows him well. Actually, I was going to ask you if we could get him back real quick. You want Julian Assange back? If we could bring him over here for a minute. We have some stuff that we need to talk to him about. I know you have some issues with ACA, complicated one.

I think is becoming a millionaire agent. I mean, I don't think, you know, danger is what law they're going to post, what law we know that the charges against it. And if you're very interesting, you probably know more the detail of that. God, I mean, I'd receive leaked emails. You know, you may not have a leak email on your laptop.

You don't want to be in prison for a leak emails, right? In the public interest, but. Well, no, but, but, you know, if you do weaponize stolen materials, then you're breaking the law. And so we, you know, we, I even so we accidentally let slip that he's already been charged and his indictment might be under seal. So we're waiting for that to drop, too. But I gotta tell you, frankly.

Do we know where the charges are? Do you know where the charges are? No, they weren't in there. But I'm assuming it's going to be computer fraud, wire fraud, conspiracy to defraud the United States, stuff like that. Yeah, and also, you know, commissioning hacking is a very different thing as journalists receiving stolen emails or even, you know, leaked emails than hacking a machine, I think. But so, I don't know what's happening.

People say he kind of tilted over to the Russian side of about 2013, another 2013. I think seems to happen then. He's always a bit like Snowden, what Kim Snyder wrote this great book, Rotorund Freedom, a paranoid libertarian. And it's so funny, I think he's saying in America, you maybe do have this as some people, there's a horseshoe effect, the far right and the far left are sort of drawn towards these authoritarian figures. And anyway, but you know, very close friends with Vaughn Smith, he ran the front mic club, he did a festival, and he housed you in a farm. We're just before he ran away to the Ecuadorian Embassy, and actually I think he did his

bell bond which is lost. And so, you know, you know, some people are caught up in the middle here, I think. It's, what is interesting is the science connections, you know, that night of forage, night of forage is the big populist, our Trump figure, they're not in power. Well, he visited, he visited a science at the consulate. Yeah, yeah, he was caught coming out and Cal makes his point in our first podcast. Well, he visited, he visited Assange at the consulate. Yeah, yeah, he was caught coming out and Cal makes his point in our first podcast, but you know, a few hours left, half an hour later, Assange dropped those vult7, you know, those tools, those hacking

tools. We've had that lovely man, Diana Vova back coming up, he's a lovely gentleman, isn't he? No longer a congressman. Yeah, we just voted him out. He was over here, visiting the embassy, with some, it's a Chuck Johnson, some other bearded guy from the right. So London figures and that, and obviously the other way that London figures and the exploring this, apart from Cambridge Analytica, a sergeant and banan is, of course, Papadopoulos. And Manafort, I was reading the Gates Manafort indictments, which are like kind of, you show incredible thriller.

And they had companies in London. And of course. Yeah, well, I was gonna ask you, I don't mean to interrupt, but I was gonna, I was actually gonna ask you about Manafort because i know we talked about brexit being this the dress rehearsal for the twenty sixteen u.s. election interference but even before that if you rewind we can talk about you crane and temeschenko um... verses yana kovic being the dress rehearsal for brexit uh... and

and so man of four was heavily involved in that so it's interesting you bring him up go ahead sorry sorry to interrupt you there. No, no, please stop me. I will keep you, especially with a distant line. I'll just keep on talking with my disconnection. You won't even notice. I win notice. Yeah, so Manafort, I mean, that's my first came

very interested in the Russian side, because I went to Keir after the revolution there. And I realized that complete false information about it being a right wing fascist coup. It was completely wrong. It'd been started by an Afghan refugee. One of the first person people be shot by Yanukovych's troops or snipers with somebody at Jewish origin,

Armenian origin, it was a very liberal revolution. And that's when I realized that the disinformation around Ukraine was very strong in Europe, and that might have been part of Manafort's successful lobbying. He had a number of European politicians on his payroll, I believe, or that of that, which was of the Renaissance group, the Charlemagne group, or whatever it was called. So we've been subjected to this disinformation about Ukraine. And again, elements of the far right, the far left, both involved. We've not yet found, well, it's one direct connection.

And I've got to look up this guy's name. When Caroline broke the story about these emails, which the biggest, basic, the bankroller, Nigel Farage, she'd been thrashed in embassy, lots of times, been discussed in these deals. They kind of put their security company onto us. And I'm going to have to dig out his name. We just discovered recently, it's called precision risk, and I can go back and find his material for you.

He was an American who'd work with Manifold. So obviously I know that Aaron Banks, what we know that Nigel Fries is caught on a yacht or fishing with Dana Rowe of the Bacca. We know that his second-in-command, a guy called who runs Bright Bart London, Lane Cossam, was that he's an orgrational, whatever the difference when he got elected in 2016, 2017 or reelected something. And so the outright of international ban on the Cossard and Bright Bartle all here and all seem to go around these same circles with a lot of rich Russians. It seems to me that there's a money laundering because it just has got

very lack of rules on all these offshore companies and all these territories like the Cayman Islands which are actually part of offshore territories. And so a lot of dirty money comes through London and a lot of these people come to London and a lot of spies because if I'm people come to London and a lot of spies. Because if I'm correct, this all begins because George Papadopoulos is gabbing away slightly drunk and akin to bar to the Russian, or to the Australian ambassador, downer. And that triggers the FBI investigation.

So London, always the sense of the world and the center of bad things. And we had Joseph Misard floating around in London, who is, you know, this strange guy, professor, who offers Papadopolis, dirt on Hillary and these her emails. So it's kind of like a 1940 spy movie, which is London's play in the place which you see was Lisbon, you see, with spies, were, or Catherine Blanca. It is, which makes the dial-in for Mueller title, and the Mueller She-Rote title is kind of apropos, but you know, you're right, the connections are astounding,

and we're so glad that, you know, we finally got the reporting a couple of weeks ago that Aaron Banks had been referred to the NCA. We've been waiting for that, and I don't imagine Nigel Farage is far behind. They might be working with our intel or with our Mueller investigation to wait until the Assange indictment's dropped because they're he's probably going to be named in those and they want to coordinate I don't know that's all conjecture, but we'll see and and I and I really encourage Our listeners to check out your podcast. It's extremely informative. It'll give you a really good listeners to check out your podcast. It's extremely informative.

It'll give you a really good view of all this from the British point of view, and it's really well done. So I was hoping Peter, you could tell everybody where they can find your podcast. Well, first I must apologize, we're not as fun as you. And there's only half of that alone. And we will make some checks.

We can learn from you and they be a bit lighter and funnier. If you can find it on iTunes, Dell, M4M, and it's also a website, Dell, M4M, and it propagates across all the other user podcasts services. So, but I look forward to hearing more. I can't wait. And with your updates, when things end, I'm going to slide. All right. And we look forward to hearing more. I can't wait. And with your updates when things end, I'm going to slide. All right. And we look forward to hearing your podcasts as they come out.

So thank you very much for joining us. Peter, juice, checkout dial M for a Mueller when you get a chance. All right, guys. So everybody definitely has to check out dial M for a Mueller. I'm super excited about that. I think we're going to appear on their pod. And like we said in the interview, everything is so connected with Bannon and Cambridge Analytica and Alexander Nick's

and Man of Forest. Very, very overlapped, yeah. It is. And like he said in the interview, Brexit was a dry run for the 2016 election. Just like, they're always ahead of us. The UK is just like on and America. It's just a couple of years behind always.

They're always used first as puppets. Yes. In in in uh dictatorial games. It's true. So unfair. Yeah. If we have any listeners in London, can you tell us we can justify planning a trip over there? Yeah.

Oh yeah. We're planning or we're trying a planet or so, you know. That would be so cool. International. One time we dial in one time we reference the sun and everyone was like oh my god don't ever do that again I'm like I don't know yeah I don't know not I'm probably gonna get shit for

interviewing goldstone to they're probably gonna be like he's such a yeah I'm like you know we we're diverse show we like to have all different angles and you know I like that you got them even we've had conservatives on before and people like that you know I. Even we've had conservatives on before, people like that, you know? I had a chance, the way I see it is, I had a chance to ask questions of someone who sat

in the June 9th, 2016 Trump Tower meeting. I'm not gonna pass that up. 100% I am. I really hope people that wouldn't give a shit for that, but if they do, I think that that's misguided. I think so too. Yeah. Anyway, that's our show.

We've did it. We got through this new monster-ass show. You guys I think so too. Yeah. Anyway, that's our show. We've did it. We got through this monster-ass show. You guys is huge. Yeah. Huge. That was good. One of my favorite ones recently, actually. Seriously. Yeah. Having Goldson is why I like it so much, because it's a true Muller junkie. Like, you want to hear from everyone, you know, everyone involved. Yeah. Yeah. If I had a chance to interview Junior or Kushner. I'll bring a totally interview. Well, grill them on but bring them on. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

It's on Eric. He'll be disowned first. Oh my god. Oh yeah. He won't make it through the interview. Ask him about how his teeth got that way. Yeah, there you go. Get to the hard dibs in a romantic way. Oh, no. Now is your boyfriend reviewing? There you go. Oh, you spent so long trying to get rid of Nunez and now you got Eric Trump knows Faratu of the Trump family. I love it. I love it. That's how the game works. It can't be someone you want. That's how it works. So I get fat. Yeah, so you make the rules. That's not fair at all. Yeah, I had John Q's egg for maybe three weeks.

It was a good idea with Eric. It was a good way to play. We did a lot of not knowing each other existed. I mean, I know he exists, but I think he's listened to at least a couple episodes. Oh, and Mike Perbiglia said he's going to listen. Yeah, Perbig. You should see his one-man show on Broadway right now. Oh, yeah. So if you get a chance and our friend Greg Boehm, you should check out his new album. I have a question.

Yes. Between Perbiglia's face and Miller's face, who should I get tattooed on my ass? Oh. ooh. They both have a great, yeah, why not? They're big enough to have a better. It seems like if you do it on your ass, then it's somebody that you don't like. Really is that how it works?

For me, I just don't like my ass. I think it's a very sentimental place. It's endearing to me. I have a lot of ass memories. Yeah, we have different ideas about the Botox. If you get muller, he'll already have wrinkles. If you get the bigly up, when you get older in your ass wrinkles, it will appropriately age with him. Yeah. Wow. That's a good, wow. I don't have many years left, so I might get muller. There you go. And I'll

get the bigly up and Jordan. I want to get a like a true Boyfriend nice but rotties. I get the teeth. I want to just his teeth That'd be great or make a dog toy with just his teeth so that when the dog has it in his mouth It looks like Eric Trump nice all gums. Just tiny teeth. Oh, I have all gums. Yeah, my teeth are fucked by the way So I can make fun of him on a new or York Trump way. Or my mom way, she's gummy bear. Gummy bear. I want to get, you know how for a long time, Bernie Sanders don't care if you hate him. He had that little, just his hair and his glasses, kind of a, you know, just that image. Yeah.

We need a muller. Right? Just the eyebrows. I guess that's that's Bernie's, right? Just eyebrows. Because Mueller, you said he had just still here on it on He had his hair. Yeah, oh exactly so you can tell it was burning right so Mueller is very no no worthy for his eyebrow So if we could send it to just say just the jowls. We just need a black and white like how you would carve a muller pumpkin

Is what we need there you need to put that tattoo? Yes? That has to happen somewhere. I like it. I like that a lot like a lot of my glass lady I will definitely get the spy last. Who did we decide? What, I can't remember. We had so many. We'll go back and figure it out. It was Angela Beansbury or something like that.

Angela Beansbury. Angela. He's using make that up because that's beautiful. No, I asked Twitter what should it first name be? What should it last name be? Yeah, yeah. And we had Beansbury. Okay.

Good. Well, there we go. That settles that. Or Fletcher. Yeah, but beans beansberry. I don't know I don't know. Beansberry is a little better. Yeah, you guys this has been a crazy show. Thanks for I can't even believe if you're still here Yeah, this is the segment when we just get loose You get loose y'all Oh my god, I'm so white. All right, please check out our book club, which is coming out Wednesday. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

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