Jack - The Case for Impeachment (feat. Richard Painter)

Episode Date: June 17, 2019

Joining us this week is law professor and former chief White House ethics lawyer Richard Painter! Please enjoy this recording of our live show at The Parkway Theater in Minneapolis! 

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This week we're on the road with Richard Painter in Minneapolis. I'm your host A.G. and I'm by myself in my hotel room, but I have to tell you, Richard Painter is one of the funniest, most amazing guests we've ever had. It was so great I felt that we needed to share this show with you. Also, we've confirmed that we will be live in Seattle at the Triple Door Dinner Theater on September 13th. Pre-Sale starts this Wednesday, June 19th for patrons only,

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Theater in Minneapolis with Richard Painter and a theater packed with the best podcast fans in the universe. Ladies and gentlemen, the Parkway in Theater in Minneapolis is proud to present Muller She wrote Live. And now please welcome the host of Mueller. She wrote Oh my God, hi guys. Minnesota! I love it here so much. First of all, Prince, thank you. And the right Prince, not Eric Prince, right?

Of that guy. I've heard some great things coming out. First of all, tonight you guys, I'm really excited we have Richard Painter with us. From the University of Minnesota, who I hear is now allowing beer and wine sales in their hockey and basketball games, is it? Fuck yeah. It's gonna be court side with a shardin' ale, like trying to... not let that happen, to check me.

And, I know that this is where Amy Klobuchar is from. And she just came out today for impeachment. So... And she did it in her own little Amy way too. She's like, well, yeah, no, yeah, I think that would be good. Love her. I watched her announcement in the snow. That was so great. I'm really excited to be here. I'm from the Midwest, so I love my Midwestern family. I'm from Akron. I grew up in a little house. You don't clap for Akron. It's like 10 houses around a little pond that was just barely enough big enough for hockey and you should pick blackberries in the summer.

And with a lot of good years here, I moved away when I was eight, couldn't take it anymore. And went out to California. And that's where we are now and I got to tell you my hair's really flat out here I don't know if that's a he is it humidity is it mosquito oh what's happening but we're starting to get mosquitoes down San Diego and I thought we had clemency because of our high rents. But no, apparently not. Apparently it's becoming more tropical because the jet stream is moving up.

Because there's not climate change or anything. Just no, no. Just random hoaxy stuff. It's just they're busing mosquitoes in from the border to our sanctuary city. Because that's what they do. Yeah, did you hear that? My friends are starting to show up in sanctuary cities in busloads now. Just here you go.

And the sanctuary cities are great. They're like, yeah, come on in. Sit down. Have some water. We won't put you in the cage. Welcome to our town. And I just see Trump like, God, damn it, they're nice to them.

Mm, mm, mm. Asshole, what an asshole. It does suck. I fucking hate that guy so much. But he, you know, and I'll be honest though, if there's a silver lining, it's that we have this community now. And and what it represents and what we have found out that we can actually do together when we raise our voices You know put our shoes on go out in March do all the stuff. So thank you because I Know you guys thank us a lot. Thank you for the podcast

But seriously, but thank you for listening to it because it's just as therapeutic for us To just talk about this shit to be able to joke about it and to be able to talk about it on this kind of visceral level That's sort of you know, we I know we make fun of a lot of stuff, and I love you guys for understanding that we're not dismissing it as not important, you know, but we need to find humor in it, and at least so that we can just hang on and like, clench arms together and stand shoulder to shoulder and fucking deal with it until it's over, which is soon. Okay. So hello and welcome to Mueller's She-Route.

I'm your host, A.G. And with me, as always, are Jalisa Johnson and Jordan Cobra. I can't stop it's working. You guys, they're just so... Look at what you have created! So how's your day? It's good, you know? I've been full, yeah. Nothing you don't know.

I'm just incredible, guys. I'm just so happy. I'm just so happy. I'm just so happy. I'm just so happy. I'm just so happy. I'm just so happy. I'm just so happy. Oh So how's your day? It's good. You know, yeah Incredible guys. Thank you so much. We're having guys here without the podcast like running around Oh, yeah, we need to take it up the place. Yeah, yeah podcast is gone from the room now, though. We can breathe again. Yeah He's back free living with his brother his brother, his cancer is gone.

So thank you, you donated to Mapagcat. I mean, he's doing good, but we don't have to watch a pee in front of us anymore. No. Dude, can you all hear that ever? The pee? You can hear it, right? Only for patrons, right?

That's a different level. Very intimate. Yeah, yeah. And he's looking at us like, yeah, it's like I'm getting some airtime out of this as well. Oh yeah, thank you. Yeah, you are like solving fascism and cancer at the same time. So thank you for everyone that donated to the GoFundMe that we had for a boob because because yeah, that was very helpful and for a boob because, yeah, that was very helpful. And, oh, that was. That was.

Woo! Yeah. And it's cool being here, because we were talking about, like, all the cool things about Minneapolis. And so, Prince is from here. I remember Jordan was saying, that's so cool, because you thought he was from space. That's perfect. Yeah, Minneapolis or space, one or the two.

Yeah. Identifies of the New England. Exactly. Yeah. Minneapolis is like anti-space, sort of. Not in a bad way. Safe space. Not in a bad way. It's a very safe, calm, chill spot.

Yeah, that's salt of the earth. Salt of the earth. Yeah. Is that a reference to something? I miss all of the references. I know it's happening. Is that a Prince reference? I can't tell you.

I'm just playing it cool right now. I have no idea. Is it? No. Oh, okay. Is it like salt, bay? Is that like salt? Salt of the earth.

Salt of the earth. Salt of the earth. Yeah, forget it. We'll tell you. It's an A-S movie. It's an A-S movie. It's an A-S movie. You haven't seen it. OK. Oh, it is.

It is a reference. No. Thought. What is it? What is it? That's fair. I want to fell for that too, Jordan. Just a saying, then.

No one from California is salt on the earth, so we wouldn't have heard it. OK. Well, they get it. So that's all that matters. Yeah, yeah. I'll tell you about it later. Okay.

It's dirty. No. Make everything dirty. I'm just gonna fuck with him now. Dude, you guys salt to the earth. You know salt to the earth? You could tell me it was anything. Yeah. I'm like a sexual official. Oh, I love you.

Yeah, yeah. Start using it. I'm currently doing that all the time. Yeah. Well, there you go. That's end of bit. Yes, yes. Clearly written.

I'm not working it again. You called it a bit like we rehearsed it. Oh, no. Bits can be, you know, improv-y bits. Yeah, yeah. That's most of our jokes. Yes, I am, self-serving. I'd like to equate my. Oh no, no, bits can be, you know, improv-y bits. Yeah, yeah, it's most of our jokes. Yeah, it's our hands, I'll say it.

I'd like to equate my ignorance to bits if it means I can get away with it. That's fair. That's fair, I like that. Enough jokes, strong together, you get a bit. Enough bits, strong together, you get a chunk. Enough chunks. Then you're just wasting your life.

No, I don't know. No, no, That's not true. I love comedy. Maybe we should have wrote something. Every time we're like, it'll be fine. We'll just get up here. It's just stuck. It'll be great.

All right. And it is great. Do your cat box bit. No, I'm kidding. Oh, yeah. We'll do like a hot five minute set right now. Yeah, yeah. That's all to the earth.

That's what it is. Joy has a great bit where she, she's a cat. She acts like she's a cat,. That's all to the earth, that's what it is. Jordan has a great bit where she's a cat, she acts like she's a cat, but it's, you know, I'm just ruining it now. It's an old truth or dare. He just Googled it. Google it, YouTube it. I'm trying to teach you.

I shouldn't know litter box because someone dared me to when I was eight years old. And her mom walked in. That's what the bit was. And her mom's like, what are you doing? And you're like, meow. Yeah. I love a good cat bit.

Yeah. All right. I was pod cat in a past life. It's all a couple of whole circles. Well, I am really excited for this. And here's what's cool. You guys know that we have the two seras, right? They do our advertising, our marketing,

they do all sorts of stuff for us, social media management, and we can't begin to express how, first of all, wonderful it is that you guys are here. But we have put together a great show for you. We've turned just the facts into a quiz show for the panel. We've got sabotage. We're going to play the fantasy indictment league this week. We have the interview and some fun surprises.

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Oh, yeah. Teach her. But it's so glad to have you here, Sarah. We haven't had you on the panel yet. No, this was a complete surprise, and it was fun. Sarah and I had a great time last night. We did a podcast called Awful Neutral, where we played D&D for like two hours. That was D&D. No, but it was so much fun.

It was really fun. And you're so funny. Your character, Gertrude, can you give a little Gertrude? My name's Gertrude. I'm down to full packs a day. I'm an elf who identifies as a fairy, but I'm aware that I'm not passing. It's a modern version of D&D.

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Everyone gets fucked up. And it's really interesting. Interesting show. So anyway, guys, I'm really excited to do this, and I want to kick off our show with my favorite new segment, Corrections. It's time to stand. It's time for me to say I'm sorry.

Uh, well, the judge. Shut the fuck up! Oh. Oh. Ha. I like how we put both of them in there now, so it's got the app, apologize, and the price is right, we've melded them, and that pleases me. Alright, so, Julisa, one of our listeners wants to make sure you knew that all cows are female.

What? Uh. Okay. I think now my like five-year-old brain remembers, the bulls are males, right? Yeah, you got it. You got it. Thank you. Thank you. In fact, you are correct. Cattle is the term for bovine beasts.

Cows are ladycattles that have had one calf. Until they've had a calf, they're called heifers. And most males are castrated very young and are called steer, and the ones that make it past one year old with their junk intact are called bulls. Well, good for them. Yeah, what's a cow that has a heartbeat called?

A heartbeat cow? Okay, two-seam. I didn't have a punchline for that. That was an honest question. I guess it was rhetorical. Wow, I didn't know. OK, interesting. I didn't know that was going to split the crowd so much.

I think they weren't booing you as much as they were booing heartbeat bills, because everyone here knows that there's no fucking heartbeat that it beat us. OK, is there a faction of PETA that's very liberal and anti-harpy bill for humans, but for cows they're like, save the harpy cows. I'm gonna do that, okay. Totally, and this is where PETA is headquartered.

From our last main episode, the leader of a marching band is called the Drum Major. And I was right about the parade guy being called the Field Marshal. That's correct. So Milo Yena Ploppafucker is the gay Nazi field marshal of the straight pride parade, which sounds, it sounds like some short fiction I would have written

in college, but that really happened. Is that his new Twitter bio? Have you checked yet? That sounds like a solid Twitter bio. I know, right? Yeah, we need to check it. Speaking of check, the Czech Republic, I'd see that. Sagwayo is good. Smooth.

Yeah, that's good. They have officially changed the English pronunciation of the name of the country to Chechiah. No. I'm not going to be able to do that. People who live in the South wanted to make sure we know they also enjoy avocados. Yeah. I don't take back what I said.

Yeah, they're also close to the border. That makes a lot of sense. Sorry. Yeah. The ocean border. Okay. Yeah, no, they live close to, you know, like Texas. Right, I do my own new, which border, yeah. But Tex Mex. Okay. Yeah, no, they live close to, you know,

I still mail new which border. But Tex Max. Okay. Yeah. Barbecue though. Pretty good. All right, and now this one's big, guys. During part four of our special coverage

on the Mueller Report, I don't know if you're listening to those. Woo! Woo! Thank you. We noticed that Mueller mentioned an architect, but not by name. And based on the fact Mueller was reporting on the nameless architect in conjunction with Cohen and Ritz-Kaladze,

I assumed it was John Fodiotis. And we had said that since he wasn't mentioned by name in the report, either he was worthless or a target. Well, today I got a text message from John Fodiotis. Yeah, he's like, I'm worthless. First of all, he's the architect for a lot of Trump's Eurasian real estate deals. And last year, Christine Wilkie from CNBC said she reached out to him and he took down his website immediately and sort of just ghosted.

He'd get the dulled space man goodbye She was saying she had sources saying Mueller was questioning him. Well, he's not me a message today. Oh Get your feelers out it's intense It's a it's a DM on Twitter, so Mueller has it. I should respond like Mueller's reading it. Don't mess with Mueller, he's a sexy motherfucker. So he says, hello there, it's John Fodeodis. Yes, that John Fodeodis.

I came across your rather entertaining podcast as I occasionally do a search for my name on Twitter to see what if anything people are saying about me these days. No, it gets better. It gets better. It gets better. We all Google I search my name. Man, we do. I don't. But I mean, Google I mean. Not many things come up. He says, and it's going to sound mean for a minute, but he gets real nice at the end. He says, before making statements about me in the future, I'd kindly and respectfully ask you to at least take a look at JFA.NYC.

My old and live website. You'll see an announcement from last year about my work at a new firm, as well as a link to my old project Portfolio. You can also find me at LinkedIn. Lankdinn.com slash in slash in John Fodiatis. Isn't that for people who have jobs? Oh, damn Jordan. Just kidding. He continues, the timing of CNBC contacting me on April

and the start of my new job at the same time was unfortunate to say the least. I had pulled down my website and company Twitter accounts simply because I had just completed a negotiation with my new employers to start and was asked by them to do so. So as not to confuse their clients and create a perceived conflict of interest. I had decided to wind down my old firm in late 2017 months before we need like background music. No, we don't. Months before I was contacted by CNBC, the fact that the journalist who wrote those two articles implied in her tweets at the time that she somehow smoked me out and took

credit for me shutting down my firm is quite an overreach. And I think it says a lot more about her journalistic ethics than it does about me. Never let us give him what happened. I immediately put my web page back up. So to us, be clear, I was not disappearing or space man, good buying, and had been rather cynically suggested. OK, but the Twitter horse was already out of the barn, so to speak. In any case, that's really beside the point.

It's long. Yeah, it's going to be very rambly. What really happened to me is that I simply chose not to respond to her, et cetera, et cetera. And for the record, no one from any investigation has ever contacted me. If you've heard otherwise, your sources are wrong. I suppose that puts me in the worthless category.

Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. That made me so sad to read. I was like, oh, fuck, we totally just, yeah. I tried to explain him that worthless is good.

It is. Because, yeah, the other option is a target. It means he didn't name you in his report. Finally, I'd like to point out, since winding down my own practice, been able to work and pursue my other passions with newly found extra time. It's under a comedy. He does comedy. He has an album that's coming out. Or no, a drop of junior race tape.

It's available everywhere. You can stream it for free. Did he just drop a Spotify? On SoundCloud. SoundCloud? We're promoting him right now by reading this. I feel so dirty, you know? Wait, he's downCloud.com slash empty city squares. He just did what every high schooler does

when they decide they're going to become my garrison. He dropped his mixtape in my ideas. Oh my god. Then he says, if you go to the top of my SoundCloud page, you'll see I'm no stranger to podcasts. He wrote music and occasionally appears on Gilbert Godfrey's amazing colossal podcast. And then I opened my eyes.

Such a low bar. If I were to try and respond to every single piece of media, et cetera, et cetera, but you're awesome. And no, he didn't say that. He searched, he found, he listened, he texted. Thanks for taking the time to hear me out best of luck. Let me know if you ever need of any music. All the best.

John Fodiotis. As a point of clarification, architects typically do not design bridges. That's my bad. Yeah, I made that stupid joke that he could buy a bridge, and then he said he could burn it. Yeah, yeah. They made chime in on aesthetics

But the heavy lifting and design work is always done by structural and civil engineers So we got a correction from John Fodey on it Tachanan for a bit he very nice fella and his website is back up and he was never named in the Mueller report I don't know who the architect is that they were talking about. But that is unfortunate though, that the second CNBC reached out to him to inquire about his connections

with Trump and all of his buildings. He took down his website, that is kind of shitty. That is like, oh man, that is so happen that he was getting a new job and they asked him to do it. Yeah, exactly. He's like, shitty timing. Did he just think about that story, like after all this time,

and he just thought of a good cover up? What do you think? I don't know, I feel like he's being real. I get goldstone vibes though, like I'm still on the fence about. Yeah, they both like present themselves very reasonably, but it's like the timing is so suspicious. Goldstone was really nice.

Yeah, they're both nice. I think assholes can be nice. Yeah. He set up that Trump tower meeting and who we are. And for some reason, Trump Jr. was too stupid to prosecute. Yeah. All right, guys, those are corrections. Thank you very much.

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Like a dunscat that was back in the day, that's when we first started. It was July of 2018, I think, when we did our first show. But now it's like, it's akin to asking someone to put on a KKK hood. I can't fucking do it anymore. Yeah. So fuck that. We didn't want to do it. Which isn't my Amazon car, but I was like, no, we probably.

Kitty, where do you buy that? You got to make it. You got to make it. Etsy. I'm dying. Oh fuck. That's fine. All right, Jalice, are you first? Jalice, this week, the Justice Department has agreed to provide Congress with key pieces

of underlying evidence collected by Mueller that could shed light on obstruction of justice and abuse of power to include interview notes. with key pieces of underlying evidence collected by Mueller that could shed light on obstruction of justice and abusive power To include interview notes which committee in the house? With these documents be given to the house and ways committee nope well that fair effort Could I get a second try are you gonna need to give you a hint Jerry Nathalie's in charge of it. Oh, uh the intelligence Judicial yes, the intelligence committee? Judicial. Yes, the judiciary committee. That's why I'm not in Congress.

I will say I wouldn't know which meeting to show up to. Yeah, not Houseways means not intelligence. It's Nadler, right. As we know, Nadler is subpoenaed a bunch of underlying evidence from the Mueller report along with the full report without redactions. Bar and the Justice Department defied the subpoena and didn't hand anything over.

So Nadler was going to take his committee contempt vote, which they already voted to hold him and contempt him to the committee. They were gonna take that to the full house on Tuesday. But then, the Department of Justice agreed to start producing some of what NADLAR was looking for. Anyway, they wanted to start producing some of what NADLAR was looking for.

Provided, NADLAR didn't take contempt steps. They're like, if you don't, hey, I'm Bill Barr. If you promise not to hold me a contempt in the full house, I'll give you some stuff. It's a pretty good impression. And in response, nadler stayed the contempt vote on bar in the full house and accepted the deal, adding that if they slow rolled them or failed to hand

over any of the information, they'd move for contempt. But instead of holding a contempt vote, what Nadler did was pass a resolution to allow committees in the house to skip the full house contempt vote and go directly to court when subpoena is ignored. That's so smart. That's a smart thing to do.

It's good because we all wanted to open impeachment inquiry to have that judicial, official judicial process open or procedure open. Yes. But this is kind of the way that they're trying to do it because Pelosi's still like, no. Yeah. Clutching her orange pearls or something.

Yeah. And Aunt, yes. Well, the resolution passed, okay. And so this means that if a house committee, any of them, subpoena documents or testimony and the Department of Justice or the White if a house committee, any of them, subpoena documents or testimony in the Department of Justice or the White House ignores them or defies them,

they no longer have to take the vote to the full house. They can file suit immediately. And this is important because when Nabler subpoena is the Department of Justice for the Grand jury material and they refuse, he can petition the court directly. And that's what the Jaworski report was during the Nixon era, if you remember, that was the grand jury material

where they found indictments. We already have it in the Mueller report, but we think they want more, whatever. Yeah, and I feel like anything that you can move out of Congress is into the courts is good because then it takes any sort of political, you know, red hair, like people can say, oh, it's just a political move holding them

and contempt to Congress because Congress has become such a tainted Polarized place, but if you send it directly to the courts then I feel like that legitimizes it and you can just bypass that conversation Sorta cuz Trump will go it was no bama. Of course. There's no bama judge Oh, guys mechs can you can't judge? Yes, but to not have to go through a pretty unprecedented process of holding someone in contempt of Congress. For sure. And we know what's going to happen to, I mean, you know, so you go directly to court, then

the court compels him to do it, then he appeals, and then it goes to Supreme Court, and then in a lot of these cases, Supreme Court has no choice but to uphold the ruling. But then what if Trump just decides to ignore the Supreme Court? Like when the Supreme Nixon Supreme Court compelled the handing over the tapes and they did it, took him a couple weeks, they were trying to get that stennis work around, which was dumb. But they eventually had to do it. I feel like Trump would be like, no, not gonna.

And then what? Then what? That? Well, we should already be doing that. But like, do we just eat him? Do we just... He's not rich, though. He's not eating the rich.

Rich with nutrients. Eat the indebted doesn't have the same brand as eat the rich. So meanwhile in the oversight committee, they scheduled a vote to hold bar and Wilbur Ross in contempt for defiance of a subpoena for materials regarding the citizenship question. But the night before the vote, the Justice Department wrote a letter, hey guys. And said, if you guys hold me in contempt, I'm going to

have Trump invoke executive privilege on you. And then, where you'll be home. And they would have to, you know, they would have to think about stopping document production in other matters. But Elijah Cummings wrote back saying, eat shit, asshole. And the oversight committee voted 24 to 15

to hold Bill Barr and Wilbur Ross in contempt. They've made that vote. And since Nadler in the House passed the resolution, circumventing the House vote on these matters, Elijah Cummings can take this straight to court. So, and we know the citizenship question is big since we recently found out that Thomas Hoffeller, the grand wizard of gerrymandering. That's what we're calling him. Played a significant role in orchestrating the addition

of the citizenship question to the 2020 census to create an advantage for Republicans and whites. His words, not mine. So, fun that guy. All right, Jordan, speaking of the House Judiciary Committee, they held their first hearing this week on the lessons of the Mueller report and crimes of obstruction of justice.

Aside from Nixon's White House counsel, John Dean, can you name the two female former US attorneys that testified who had both appeared on Mueller she wrote? That would be a bar McQuayette and Joyce Vance. Yeah. Yeah. Smart ladies. That's that. Yes.

I came out today. I don't know if you saw that. We'll talk about Kelly and Conway when Richard Payner comes up here. But I immediately got a text from Joyce White Vance and she's like, need a lawyer? That's awesome. I love that lady. So the hearings went pretty much as we thought they would. The Republicans yelled, feissa and deep state dossier, struck page, and they had zero questions for the

witnesses about the Mueller report, which is what the hearings were for. They even brought their own little Republican fuck face. He was like, I know, thinking command and obstruction of Yarnas. And then nobody asked that fucker questions for the rest of the time. He just sat there like, nobody's asking me any questions. Because the purpose of the hearing was to draw parallels between the corruption scene

during Watergate and what's happening now, right? And the Republicans had, like I said, that heritage foundation douchebag. And he's like, no, Mueller failed. Rosenstein made the call with Bar. Hey, that guy. But John Dean made milkshake Matt Gaetz a laughing stock. Oh!

Gaetz is all how much money do you make on CNN? And I wanted him so bad to be like, how much money did you make on CNN? And I wanted him so bad to be like, how much money did you make from Russia? Yes. Oh yeah, that breaking news with the NRA apparently, one of our listeners told us that the Washington Post got a hold of their 2018 tax documents, the NRAs. They're $10.8 million in the red right now.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. $8 million in the red right now. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh.

A proper reaction. Yeah. And to think, that's only one-ninety-a-th of what Trump lost in the 80s. No. That math is probably wrong, don't check it. And I love John Deenys like, well, sunny, you weren't even born yet when Watergate was happening, fuck boy. But, you know, why don't you go get another DUI?

So I had it. When he asked him about, he's like Gates is all, well, can you tell us about how the Democrats planned to pay for the ACI? And he's like, what in the fuck are you talking about? And he's like, well, if you're going to talk about stuff you don't know about, it was the worst setup to any joke ever. And he's like, you know, Nixon actually

had a health plan, right? And then everyone laughed. He's like, I'm not a fact witness, dipshit. I'm here to provide historical context, each shit. I hate that guy. But Joyce Vance and Barbara McQuade schooled the Republicans. It was great.

They tried to discredit John Dean, because you're like, well, you know, you committed an obstruction of justice. You were the obstruction of justice guy, like Cohen. And I'm looking at him like, yeah, these are your people. You're making fun of Democrats for bringing up Republicans who broke the law like y'all are. Yeah, like as if it's their preference, they just committed to being criminals for the entirety of time. Which is their actual preference?

So I think that's why they're actually mad. It's just because they switch sides to the good side. Yes. I put quotes because I don't know. I also feel like John Dean, some people did some really good articles on how much of an asset, maybe he really was, to the Democrats in that hearing, because there were some things that he said that maybe were a bit counterproductive to the legitimacy

of the Democrats' position. Yeah, yeah. And I always hesitate to like fully fully revere, you know, someone that in the past. I don't. He was an obstruction of justice criminal. He's done a lot to atone for his sins, but he's a Republican lawbreaker from the 70s.

Right. And that is the parallel he's sitting there making. Right. Like, the you guys are doing the fucking same shit I was doing. Yeah. And then making fun of me for having, and then he's like, well, you went to prison.

He's like, no, I didn't. Yeah. Yeah. It was just embarrassing from that gate. And I love when he embarrasses himself. The number is at the reason why he would be such a powerful witness in testimony is because he had come from Republican roots. But unfortunately, it's never received

by the Republican, so it just wants to be more or less a doubt. He needs self-awareness for that time. Exactly. Yeah, but he knows. He's missing. Go, John D. And I do appreciate what he does. All right, Sarah Lee, the obstruction of justice hearings in the judiciary were not the only hearings to start this week.

Two former FBI agents, Stephanie Douglas and Robert Anderson testified about the counterintelligence investigation that happened in parallel to the Mueller investigation. What house committee did they testify in front of? For the counterintelligence. God. Intelligence. Get a lifeline, right? We didn't. What?

You want to call in a friend? I am calling a friend Jordan, who was whispering, I believe, House of Intelligence? Yes. Hey, I said that one. Two questions ago. Do I get credit for it? She just ahead of her time.

Yes, you were just being... Thank you. Seeing the future, you and Prince from Spain. Thank you. The hipsy House Per select committee on intelligence. The two former FBI spy hunters testified Wednesday in front of the House Intelligence Committee in an effort to get the contents

and understand the ramifications of the Mueller report and to have those things out to the public because we all know 3% of the public have read the Mueller report. And once you read it, you support impeachment. It's just how it goes. Or listen to it, you support impeachment. It's just how it goes. Or listen to it, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Or they can sue. Is that the new expression? Once you read it, you impeach it. Yeah. Yeah. Woo. It should be.

As we know, Nancy Pelosi is saying we must have an iron clad case to move forward. But to me, 10 instances of obstruction of justice for which clearly meet the three criteria for charging a crime and sustaining it facing appeal is pretty fucking ironclad. So Adam Schiff opening statement was cool. He said of all the questions that Mueller helped resolve. He left many critical questions unanswered. What happened to the counterintelligence investigation? We've been asking forever, Mato says it's gone walkies.

He's very cute. I love her. He says, were there other forms of compromise, like money laundering, were those left out, uninvestigated, or referred to other offices? Yes, Mr. Schiff, if you have any questions, listen to Mueller she wrote. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. We're individuals granted security clearance that shouldn't have them. Yes.

Listen to Mueller she wrote. And are their individuals still operating in the administration that leave America vulnerable? Yeah. Yes. Oh, yeah. Yes. They seem like rhetorical fucking questions to me, but I know what he's doing.

He's trying to get the public to ask these questions of themselves because they might not have. So these two former FBI agents warn that Russia has been engaged in election interference since before 2016 and they won't stop. Anderson said the interference worked in 2016 because those around Trump were not savvy in counterintelligence issues at all, or life. But basically, just like the Russians targeting Carter Page, because he's a greedy gullible idiot,

the Russians targeted the Trump campaign in Kushner because they're easy marks, right? They're compromised, okay? And we all know that. They have ties to Shady Foreign Interests like Iran's Revolutionary Guard being linked to Trump's projects in Azerbaijan, hey, Fotiadas.

And he didn't have anything to say. He didn't have anything to say. Come on, Acha. And now, what is? He actually didn't have anything to do with that. He just makes tapes into the crowd. Just stand up. Where are you?

No. I just feel like I'm just giving him a hard time. That's probably not fair, but you know, well. And he was so nice in text. I really wanted to say that. Oh, yeah. He was very, like, golds. You guys heard the Goldstone interview?

Just a pleasant fella. All around. I'm, oh, hey, I'm just me, hello, Goldstone. Oh, I like doing, I like promoting, and I don't even know what you're talking about. Ha-ha-ha. He's Mickey Mouse now. I like that transition.

That character arc was nice. Yeah, like breaking bad. Hey, man, hey, come over here. And just as Mueller found during his investigation, many of the trumps are too stupid to be charged with crimes, specifically junior, because in order, honestly, in order to violate an FEC foreign campaign contribution violation and those statues,

you have to know at the time that what you're doing is illegal, and he's just not smart enough to know. Another really interesting point, Anderson brought up was the Russian method of recruiting and compromising targets called tasking. And we've seen this a lot at play in the Trump campaign on several occasions. The example he used was when Kolemnik, Constantine Kolemnik, tasked Manifort with handing over internal Trump polling data. And what Anderson says is, the act of complying with the Russians by handing over the polling

data is central here. It's more important than the actual polling data. And this reminds me of when the internet research agency who was in charge of recruiting unwitting Americans to campaign for Trump on behalf of Russia, tasked an American with making a sign, wishing Putin's chef a hap-de-fifty fifth birthday, and holding it up in front of the White House,

and the dipshit did it. And so that guy, recruit that guy, save him. Or when they ask that other American to dress up as Trump in a Santa suit and run up and down the streets, they're just asking people to see if they're gullible enough to do this shit. And that was the polling data shit with Manafort, right? And Shiff talked about how it's not a crime to enter into a deal

for Trump Tower Moscow while running for president, but it's very compromising. And then he just kind of went into a speech about, it's not a crime to do this, but it's very compromising. And that reminds me of Glenn Simpson from the Fusion GPS testimony when he talked about why he hired Chris Deal in the first place. Simpson noticed Trump would try to start a bunch of deals

in Russia, but they never went through. And he found that alarming because that's what Russia does. They string you along and dangle these things in front of you to get what they want, and then they ghost, right? Yeah. And they bring up another one. The most thing, yeah. And they ghost on that.

And the Republicans and the counterintelligence hearing brought their own guy, Andrew McCarthy, former federal prosecutor who writes for the national review. But even he said that the Trump campaign should have contacted the FBI when the Russians reached out. But of course Trump comes out this week and tells Stephanopoulos in the Oval Office behind the Resolute desk that he would take dirt from foreign enemies without calling the FBI maybe.

Yeah. Just because he has to get the look at it first to decide if it's chill or not. That's the new Russia, if you're listening. I hope you have the 30,000 emails. Yeah, that's everyone, anyone, if you're listening. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And now anyone, if you have anything, ever, yeah.

And now he's expanded his search. And so then we had to walk those comments back, because you can't walk those comments back. It was like Giuliani's Ukraine thing. You can't just, I'll never mind. You can't unring the bell. Cheating and gerrymandering is the only way Republicans can win and they know it.

And Devon Nunez, of course, called the Mueller Report a shoddy political hit piece coming from Nunez. That's special. Why is he even allowed in that room anymore? He was like, yeah. Are you moving or moving? It all sounds the same. We got some ghost, little owing going on in the back. All right, we're going to get through a couple quick news stories here, because we've got to get on to sabotage here

in a minute. But let's see, Donald Trump Jr. returned to testify. And said, I just said the same shit, bro. OK, three hours he spent, probably answering no questions. And then Flynn fired his lawyers and then hired this crazy bitch. And then I thought he was going to blow up his plea deal. Turns out today he's still going to cooperate and help out

in the B&K on case, but they asked for 60 more days to decide whether or not he's going to be a total asshole. So that's what's going on with that. And then of course, Hope Hicks has agreed to appear before the House Judiciary Committee. Yeah, she's the cutest, I guess, but she's... She's not going to answer any questions about the transition in her time in the White House.

She's only going to talk about shit that happened during the campaign, just like the document she handed over. It's going to be a lot of, I can't talk about that, executive privilege. She's more like, I executive privilege. And they can't hold anything against her. Like perjury she didn't do anything like that. So then then we'll just get the transcript of her going, how do you type that? I'm sorry, I can't tell you. I can't say.

The rest of the bitch face in quotes. I'm thinking I'm thinking of... I'm thinking of singing in privilege. Mmm. Alright. We'll see those transcripts and I'll read them in that voice for you. So... Hey, Mueller junkies. We're on the road right now and we're spending a lot of time speaking in front of crowds, meeting our patrons and hanging out with agents and politicians. And while I love wearing my comfy pants, these are more business attire events.

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Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers.C. boys. Love you, MCA. All right, so the sabotage this week, the Office of Legal Counsel put out a memo today, a whole giant stupid memo saying that, you know, Steve, and the IRS Commissioner Charles Redding, Steve Mnuchin, he hates being called Steve, call him Steve whenever you can.

Steve. And yeah, so they're like, nope, we've decided in the Office of Legal Counsel, our opinion, our legal opinion is we don't have to hand over taxes because you don't have a legislative purpose, which they don't need, and because we're stupid, which they are. That's not in it, but it should. So that's the, you know, I don't think that's going to have any impact on the fantasy indictment league, but are you ready to play the fantasy indictment league? Oh, yes!

Yes! Still waiting for that season to sis letter. That's what we know we will have made it. Bigger fish for pride. What NFL players? We're just gonna change one little thing. Like, I penalized it. It's not, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's dun dun dun dun dun dun. Dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun. And then we're like, what? Dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun shuffle and fine. Yeah. All right. Oh, we're in Vikings country. Take that back. OK.

All right. So, Julie, so you get to go first for this round. Who do you pick this week? Ooh. I will pick. Oh, man. I'm trying to think of who's the juiciest one this week. I mean, I'm always going for Trump Jr.

But I'm going to put Jr. We can do this. Yeah. OK, cool. I'll come around. Sure. Yeah, fuck that guy Jordan who do you have I'm stuck on Tom Barrick Barrick's a good one. Yeah, yep Super seating stone oh

Super seating stone. Oh, yes. Chaliza. Oh, you know what? Let's see Trump Victory. That's a new one. Oh, the Trump Victory Fund. Ooh, Trump V is what I'm going to put. Trump V.

This little neck thing he's got going on right. I'm just going to cut it. Wait, neck thing? Yeah, it's like a vagina. He's got a vagina neck. That was the joke. I'm sorry. Oh, I'm so sorry. He's got a vagina neck. That was the joke. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry.

Everyone's got a vagina neck. Everyone's got a vagina neck. That's the sign. You want me to have a vagina neck. That's just what happens. Yeah, by saying that's the sign. If you see Trump, just be like, he made fun of too many people with vagina neck.

So now he has one. Oh, Jordan. You made fun of people with a vagina. I'm sorry. I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just saying, I was just old school stone hands. Yeah, yeah. Jalisa, who do you call it? Yeah, I also want to do Trump or it's like Bingo. I'm gonna try to get him all. Yeah, yeah. With that same logic, I'm gonna do Trump inaugural. No, no!

Nice. Fine, I'm gonna do an AMI. All right. Ooh. Oh. So, no one got Sator yet, right? Sator? Feel the Sator? Yeah, you don't think he'll be back in the mix anymore?

You know what? If he gets it and I don't pick it, I'll feel really bad. You'll be mad. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll go Sator. Jordan. I'm gonna steal your game and do peckers. You've selected pe pickers. You've selected picker. All right, then Howard.

We're going to stick on the AMI train. One more pick. Okay, I'll do Brittany Kaiser. You always love her. I feel like one day. It's coming. Jordan. I will do a side group, even though they would respond to no correspondences

Who's this? Is it? Side group? Side group. Yeah. Yeah, you can still, you can definitely indict them. I'm going with embisa. Alright, and that is how we play the fantasy entimally. Alright everybody, it's time for the interview and we are so excited and so lucky to be joined by our next guest, Law Professor at the University of Minnesota, and the vice chair, former vice chair of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, we know them as crew.

Long time Republican, recently ran for Senate in this state in 2018, literally wrote the book on government ethics, y'all. I'm trying to say y'all now, and settle ladies and gentlemen, inclusion. Y'all, please welcome Richard Painter. There you are. It's an unpleasant surprise. Between the legs. All right. We brought you out to DePeshmo's policy of truth and there was a prayer bus for that.

Thank you so much for joining us. It's an honor to have you here with us. First, I believe it was January 2017, citizens for responsibility in ethics in Washington filed a lawsuit against President Trump to stop him from violating the friggin' emoluments clause of the Constitution. And I was hoping you could give us maybe an update on that case where it's at, how it's going, and how much he sucks. Oh, well. Yeah, we sued him pretty much with about 24 hours after he was sworn in. I'm a surprise. The monument's closet, it's a fancy word. It's just, it has a Latin root of monumentum, which means profits and benefits, profits

and advantages. And bottom line is that the founders did not think that anyone holding a position of trust in the United States government should be receiving profits and benefits. In other words, bribes from foreign governments. You know. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Yeah. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Wait, wait, wait. Yeah. Wait, wait, wait.

I get it. Pretty basic, isn't it? Why am I a prophet deal? Yeah, it's a prophet deal. Why am I a late tea party business? It's a toss all the tea in a boss and a harbor, and then have a president's, bindin' his own tea from King George.

Or this is our Russia or whatever. So, you know, a Trump has these hotels and all these businesses where every foreign government that wants to do business with us is booking rums and ballrooms and everything, not to mention the private equity funds and the financing the Trump business empire because, of course, no Americans will loan a any money for the past two to five years. It's unconstitutional and so we sued them in the Southern District of New York. We had a little problem

called a standing problem that we have standing to sue the president. We're just a government reform organization. Blah, blah, blah. And the judge in the Southern District of New York there said, well, Congress ought to deal with this. Congress isn't a part of plan, I want to bet. Um, so we lost that. We took that up to the second circuit quarter of a bills, but meanwhile, we've got two more lawsuits going in.

And what on, oh yeah. One on brought by the district of Columbia, Attorney General, and the Maryland Attorney General in the federal court in Maryland. And that survived the motion dismiss has gone on to discovery, and the judge came out with an opinion that said the Myanmar's clause means what we said it means.

There's a plain meaning as opposed to the Trump meaning which is it doesn't apply to me. So we are going ahead and we are yet another soup but by the Democrats in the House and Senate led by a standard of Lumenthole of Connecticut, that's in the district court in DC and that one survivedathol of Connecticut. That's in the district court in DC. And that one survived the motion it does mess. Meanwhile, the House representative should also be enforcing the Mayama's class, hand hand, judiciary committee, that's awesome.

And I have a government ethics question for you. I think close to my heart, the Hatch Act. So I go by the pseudonym AG to put a little distance between myself and any Hatch Act violations, though I'm not SES, so I'm only barred from using my title and agency to support or oppose a candidate for political office during working hours. It's not required that I do not use my name, but it's an extra step of caution. I've been just said, that's probably a good idea. But this week, Office of Special Counsel determined that Kellyanne Conway has violated the

Hatch Act on multiple occasions and recommends she be removed from her job. Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo! Now the Hatch Act is a law, but Trump has said

he will not fire her and that it is his ultimate decision. So what can we do to bolster these ethical norms we used to enjoy and give these rules some kind of enforcement mechanism so that people actually get in trouble when they violate them. Well that's easy. Trump won't fire Kelly answer. We just fire Trump, right? That's what we ought to be doing.

That's why the House needs to impeach him and then they can send it up to the Senate. And if Mitch McConnell wants to have a sham trial and let them off the hook, then we just fire Mitch McConnell too. And the rest, um... Woo! Thank you, Mr. President. Yes.

Speaking of impeaching, I want to ask you about the ethical implications of failing to impeach Trump. Putting it off, failing to impeach Trump, I think that there's... I think that there might be some deep problems with that in the way that the message that we're sending to future presidents, other countries, adversaries, friends, allies, what message do we send and what are the ethical implications of not impeaching him, even if the Senate fucks off?

We know that patriot were going to look like fools. I mean, look at the constitution. It says, high cries of misdemeanors. They either committed high cries of misdemeanors where he did. It's one way or the other. And I wonder if we're gonna teach the kids in the history books.

Well, when is the last time we had a big press? Well, Bill Clinton, he lied under arrest. What do you lie about? We don't need to get into that. At least till you're in the ninth grade. But was it? Oh, yeah. Yeah, then we got a president who's caught literally better with Vladimir Putin.

I mean, not literally, but you know. And he lies about it. And they're covered it up. So the president can get better with the Ruskies. And we don't, we don't have to pay him and not to mention the emoluments. And of course, the payouts to Stormy Daniels, yeah, his individual one is riding on Air Force one.

I mean, this is the most corrupt presidency we've ever had. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and then we have the time when he tried to get the postmaster general to raise the rates on Bezos, who as we know runs the Washington Post, that's abusive power. I mean, there's a million. The first amendment of the costume, she has no respect for her. He's not only, he talks about the press the way Hitler talked about the press in the 1930s.

I mean, look at the old speeches. He's got to translate to out of the original German, but it isn't that different. You know, they talk about the lying press, and the attacks, and the press. It is a very dangerous situation. Dude, you're funny, isn't it? LAUGHTER

All right, I have a question for you. And this is some we didn't even talk about before. You know, this subpoena battle that's going on between not well, it was Mueller's team now, it's the DC, and it was DC before that, but the secret company from country A, do you have any guesses on who that company might be, who that country might be?

I have no idea, but we ought to know by now, it's in the redacted portion of the Mueller report. I'm sure it is, and they redacted everything out of the first, took it the first part of the Mueller report. I'm sure it is, and they redacted everything out of the first part of the Mueller report that it has to do with any money, business ties, or the Russians. It's all redacted by Attorney General Barr, who never should have been involved in this case because he's working for the defense. He was working with the defense lawyers before he came into the Department of Justice. He should have recused from this case from Taiwan Taiwan and so he's redacted all the good stuff out of part one of the Miller report

That's all in there the good stuff It's like redacting the blowjob part of impeaching like why would well yeah Fast forwarding to the sex parts and porn and yeah It's all adjectives, but I don't know what they're describing Yeah, I think it's all adjectives, but I don't know what they're describing. Yeah, that... I think that was a high crime, Mr. Maynard, we had 20 years ago. It was limited to that.

I mean, what's going on? But here we get that, too. We get golden showers with this guy. Oh, yeah! Oh, yeah! Oh, yeah! Oh, yeah! Oh, yeah! Oh, yeah! Oh, yeah! Oh, yeah!

Oh, yeah! Oh, yeah! Oh, yeah! Oh, yeah! Oh, yeah! Oh, yeah! Oh, yeah! Oh, yeah! Oh, yeah! Oh, yeah! Uh, Go stone. Okay. Is there before before we go to the Q&A part of this is there anything else you'd like to share with us about what we can do to improve ethics enforcement in a post-Trump government? First we've got to get from here to post Trump government. Yeah. I mean like now.

And this is really pathetic. How do we come up with this guy? I moved to Minnesota 2007. I'm from Central Illinois. But I spent some time when I was young as a lawyer in New York City. And the one thing I learned very quickly in New York City is that nobody would load any money to Donald Trump. And they had the $900 million with a casino bonds

on the Taj Mahal that went a belly up, knowing it would load in money. And yet somebody started loading a money in the late 90s. Now, who was it? Well whatever. And we don't get to find out because he won't show us his tax returns. I mean this has been, how do we get conned by this guy? Because all he does go outside of Manhattan and he gets about, you know, 100 miles or so or so you know to the west gets into Pennsylvania People start believing this stuff

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Both parties have the amount of money and politics, the big companies that, multinationals, I've been fighting with these multinational, suffod mining companies that want to get in the Minnesota, mess up the boundary waters, including Jared and Ivanka's landlord. We need nonprofit organizations, and I'm working with nonprofit organizations on the boundary waters issue right now. We need that work. Awesome. That's cool.

Yeah, because, and I think that, like, honestly, most of the shit that's come out has been from FOIA requests from journalists, it's not from Congress, not from investigators. It's come out from journalists and nonprofit organizations. I think they, I agree, they're gonna play a huge role. All right, so it looks like we got enough questions, so this should do it, so let's hand it over to you. What's your name, what's your question? My name's Nora.

My question is because Nancy Pelosi keeps waiting to do impeachment, what do you think is going to be what pushes it over the edge? impeachment, what do you think is going to be what pushes it over the edge? I, what do you think? They know what I think. First of all, I don't think the speaker ought to be making the call. I think the whole House of Representatives ought to make the call.

And, you know, it's very important that each member of the House speak his or her own conscience and not be told what to do by the speaker. And I averaged my congresswoman, Angie Craig, to call for impeachment. I mean, that's why she's there because we have this clown, Jason Lewis, who's running around apologizing for Trump. We sent him packet. Well, I think Angie Craig's got to come out and call for impeachment. So each and every member of the House ought to speak his or her own mind

and the speaker is one of the 435 of myself. That's my attitude. Thank you for question. Go over here. Hi there. I'm Vincent. So this is kind of a, maybe it's an absolutely stupid question, but when Mueller was doing his like nine minute spiel when he finally spoke publicly, he was pretty explicit when he said that they cannot charge the president with a federal crime. But I haven't heard anybody say like,

what about the states? Can't the states charge him with the crime? He said federal crime very specifically. And I know he chose his words carefully. What did anybody say, like, what about the states? Can't the states charge him with the crime? He said federal crime very specifically. And I know he chose his words carefully. Everyone says that. Yeah, I mean, he never speaks a word that he doesn't mean. It's always very deliberate.

And I wondered about that, too, because there was that rumor mill going around that Southern District, New York was thinking about charging with crimes. And so you know these folks, do you have any insight on that? Then I might be missing. Well, there's an open constitutional question about where the President of the United States can be charged with any crime before he's removed from office.

I think he can be and should be. On others might disagree. That would issue it has to be resolved by the courts and ultimately by the United States Supreme Court. We have never, ever had to deal with this because we have generally had pretty honest presidents. Is there a chance that somebody might try though? Yes, and the state of New York could try and they could go ahead and they ought to just

charge it. And that's the answer. The reason Robert Mueller said this was that Robert Mueller is under the Department of Justice and the Trump Department of Justice. Of course, takes the position that the only right answer to this is the President of the United States could never be charged with any crime while in office because, of course, he's Donald Trump and he's in charge of, he points the attorney general.

So that is why Robert Mueller said that, That he can't charge Donald Trump with anything because he works for the Department of Justice and the Department of Justice says absolutely no. That's our interpretation of law. But I invite and encourage the Attorney General of the State of New York to charge him with whatever they can find. They should have done it 20 years ago. We wouldn't be in this mess. Woo! Yeah, I'm encouraged by Tish James there in New York,

but yeah, that office of legal council member only covers federal courts and U.S. attorney's offices. It does not cover, as far as I can tell, or at least there'd be a good argument for it in court, state crimes. So. Why do you buy me a single one by single one? It, he might.

Yeah, he's just saying, this is what they told me. He's basically, he's signaling, that the single's pretty clear. I had died him in a minute if he weren't president of the United States. It's really clear. Just read the second half of the Mueller report. I mean, this is obstruction of justice written all over it.

And I'm old enough to remember the whole Nixon thing. And this is a lot worse than Tricky Dickie. Tricky Dickie. Oh. I mean, Nixon was a crook. Well, he was our crook. He wasn't in with the Russians. Oh.

Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Hi, what's your name and what's your question? My name is Lauren and I actually have two questions, so I'm sorry. I live up in Stern's County. My representative is Tom Emmer, which is, oh boy. Oh boy.

Thank you. So how does someone like me have representation? Because he doesn't count. Um, second, I have anxiety. And, thank you. And so I feel like the last few years we have been in a collective anxiety attack. Very much so.

And there's so much fear and there's so much panic. And it's a really unhealthy way to live. And I'm wondering how do we come back from this? Where's the, in some sense, the breaking point. When does it wash over us? And how do we come back from it? Oh, yeah. Can I, can I come back from Tom Ember? Now, that's tricky. I'm, I ran into him in the airport. He's on my plane and I think he was up in the first class, actually, of course.

But, uh, waiting for the plane, I asked him about this. He said it's just a witch hunt. Yeah, right a witch hunt Tom Emmer is got a girl so the first thing is to find people gonna run against them either in the Republican primary or over in the DFL So I'm fine someone is gonna fit the district rather than run some sort of ideological purity test and a bunch of social issues. I mean, get rid of Tom Emmer. And because he just cow-tow into Trump, and you can forget, there's great Republicans in this state. I mean, Arnie Carlson, former governor, I'm working with him on this pollution in the boundary

waters issue. I don't know if he'd run, but anyway, you've got to get somebody to get rid of Tom Emmer. And we got rid of Jason Lewis down as CD2. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, are you people? So then, you know, but we do need to have some basic standards in this country for public service and realize that someone like Donald Trump doesn't measure up.

And why would someone just because they're a public and say we're going to put up with this? So if you're a public and go out there and vote for Bill Weld for the presidency, he's going to be a good, I hope they get a good campaign going and have a primary challenge on the GOP side. And then kick his tail on the general election if he isn't in peace first, which he should be. And real quick, I know Sarah Lee,

because she actually, you have an expertise in this exact, as far as the anxiety part of the question. So my day job is a mental health social worker. And thank you. Oh! Oh! Not the response you usually get, but OK. And so the clinical treatment for anxiety

in the midst of a panic attack is a grounding exercise, in which you remind yourself you are safe and you are here and you can do that through visualization, you can feel the ground beneath you, you can do whatever you need to do, your sensory things. So you need to do the same thing politically. You need political grounding. And the best way to do that is to get involved

in your local area, to learn how to lobby, to learn how to work with legislators and your representatives and find those other people because you're not alone and everybody else feels that same way but that anxiety is making us isolate and we need to come together. And if you're wondering like how we come back from it and how we get through it, look around. It's this. It's what we're building and what we've built.

And not just us, but all resistors. And we're all here for each other. That I think helps ground us too. So thank you for your question. Thank you. My name is Benjamin. Hi, Benjamin. We might all have that friend that we were childhood friends

with that kind of got onto the wrong course. And now in a relationship, we find questionable and wondering what they're up to. And some party just wants to step back and let the self-destruct. Well, that is Wisconsin. And I knocked on a lot of doors in District 2 for Angie Craig, and we got that. But in 2020, if the Democrats pick up Pennsylvania and Michigan and do not pick up Wisconsin, we're looking at a 269-269 electoral split. In which case the House

representative is picks but not by House Representative's majority but by state representation in the House Representative's majority, which means they would pick a Republican. Even with California? Yeah. Right, yes. Each state gets a vote. Not each rubbery sentence. Well, I want to just fucking take the Senate assholes. So it may very well come down to Wisconsin. And as much as we want to step back. And in true Wisconsinian style, sorry, sorry. Sorry. Sorry.

So my question is, at what point do we cross the border and have an intervention? Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. What time do we cross? I crossed the border. I was already imagining myself doing this.

What was the border? Normally we cross the border on Sundays in order to buy liquor. Yeah. Oh, I was like, why? Why you figured that out, so? No, I see what you're saying now. Oh, yeah, I think about dual citizenship all the time. Any dual citizenship people in here at all?

Yeah, we gotta talk. I gotta figure out how to do that. I'm scared too. The fact that it comes down to one state, I didn't even think about that, because I'm so thinking about what's happening right now, but that's a real possibility, that's insane. We can't let Wisconsin go so easily.

We gotta get in there. Well, they feel forgotten, right? That's what it is, right? Yeah, so hopefully the next Democratic candidate, you know, whoever wins the primary, like actually addresses them, you know? That would be probably a place to start. But vote for him, no matter who the fuck it is.

Yeah, please vote for him no matter who the fuck it is. Yeah, please vote for him no matter who. Oh my God. Yeah. I've got my hopes. Can I ask a question? I've already asked a question. What is the world's Donald Trump done for Wisconsin? That's it.

It's not anything. Nothing is done nothing for us. So I don't know why the world A was gonna, hey, they got conned once in Wisconsin. They really wanna look stupid, get conned again. But then we all get conned in the process. All right, it's just tough, yeah. I don't know the answer to that.

It is, and I've already pledged my vote the primary goes to whoever women of color are backing. And then my vote in the general just goes to whoever the fuck wins. Definitely, yeah. I'll worry about the repercussions later. Even if you didn't know. We're an open primary state though, belt well if he's on that bail. Yeah, you want to send Donnie boy a message.

All right, we got a question over here. All right, thank you very much. And by the way, I'm a big fan of Richard Painter. I need to. Thank you. I have a question that's more of a legal question. If we were to be lucky enough to see that train go down the road where impeachment hearings

are in full swing, we send it to the senate and they cannot convict because of McConnell. What is the danger that he will then have a constitutional out for a prosecution in a court of law. Oh, like a double jeopardy? Does, does, does an impeachment make a successful to double-knock? He's not, he's not, if he's not indicted in, no, if it's a political process,

it's not a criminal process. So it wouldn't, uh, Yeah, I won't let him off the hall, come here, Bill Clinton, it actually committed a crime, he could have been charged He just he hadn't committed actual perjury. I don't want to go through that whole mess again But you know that that being let off the hook in the Senate doesn't let you off the hook on a criminal charge

But the bottom line is that if this happens and I don't know why the people are so worried about it You send it up there To the Senate, and you're gonna have the Chief Justice United States show up, and hopefully not wearing those stupid gold stripes this time around that we had 20 years ago. And then, first the courts are gonna start to have to enforce the subpoenas.

It could be embarrassing if they don't enforce the subpoenas once you have an impeachment trial. And then you'd have a trial. And Mitch McConnell wants to play games. He's up against some pretty heavy hitters. I mean, Elizabeth Warren, she's been calling for impeachment today. One.

And I think she'd rip him apart. So bottom line is, they might have the votes. They might not to let Trump off the hook. But that's not a reason not to charge him. Maybe just because you're going to have a jury, it's like these old case dad and Mrs. Siphy, trying to charge a clansman and you can't get him. But that doesn't mean I'll charge him.

If the old white jury wants to let him off OK, but you still got to charge him. The prosecution's job is to charge the crime that they see the crime. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then out goes Mitch McConnell. He's up for re-election.

And they're going to send him out the pasture down and Kentucky. Yeah, I mean, if they let him off the hook, we'll use that to run against him. All right, let's get through these questions. And then I got a fun activity at the end. Yes, sir. Dr. Dukkus.

Hello. Hi. My name is Clay Bradbury. I have two questions, but I promise they're super quick. But first, if I can stand on a soap box just for three seconds, I do want to offer my gratitude to all you ladies. I've had the distinct pleasure of talking to a lot of other Mothershiro fans. And there are a lot of us who feel like we exist in a box.

We're in social circles where our friends are not as politically active, we're paying attention as much as we are, and as heavy as we are being gaslighted by this administration, sometimes it's hard not to go insane in a box, so I'm insanely appreciative. I know I've dealt with some of my anxiety through listening to you guys and through your reverence and your sense of humor. Thank you. All the hards. Right back at you.

Absolutely. So the first question I have is not so much political as it is, I guess, personal. It really deals with mental hygiene. So a lot of us have experienced feelings of powerlessness, feelings of anxiety, feelings of despair, and dealing with the active attacks on our democracy and our values. And arguably, I mean, you guys hit these topics a lot harder than we do.

And you show up every week and you're funny and you're a reverent. What are your mental health hygiene tips for when you fall far too down the rabbit hole. Well, that's really, realize you're not the one who's got the metal health problem. We read the 25th Amendment of the United States Constitution that says what we should be doing about somebody like this. And we aren't. And that needs to be fixed too because Congress has the authority to set up a commission that would address the implement the 25th Amendment.

You can't have a coup holding onto the nuclear weapons. So he's got the mental health problem. We got to get him out the door. You can get better in coming soon. Yeah, I think my degree in undergrad was political theory and a lot of what that amounted to was essentially pendulums and understanding where we're at on the pendulum right now and knowing that time eventually swings a pendulum

back with the presence of the people that exist in that time. So the only way that you're going to keep that pendulum on the trajectory of coming back to where things are better again is to remain in the moment and not dip out and try as hard as you can to stay in it. And it's like really hard. But meditating helps a lot. I know that's like a super white girl thing to say, but it really helps me, because I deal with like my anxiety presents as a dissociation a lot and like come everything coming together at one point

as much as possible, I think, and knowing that what you're doing here and now matters so much. And it's like you get the sense that it doesn't matter, but it 100% matters as what you have to do. Yeah, I mean, look at what we did in 2018. So what was that? Look what we did in 2018.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. And honestly, this is a less serious answer, but I play a lot of laser tag. Yeah. No. I get all my frustration out on like 12-year-old boys for some reason. And I'm just like, military dudes. Yeah, yeah. No, all my frustration out on like 12-year-old boys for some reason, and just like, military dudes.

Yeah, yeah. No, it's not their fault. But anything that's like good cardio, I think, or just, you know what, one of our fans, I believe her name was Ellen. She gave us like these dolls, they're called dammit donals, and you just like bang them on something. Yeah, so shout out to Ellen.

But yeah, anything that just physically like gets you going jogging, whatever, yeah, that helps me. That's called self-care. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Both of those are self-care. I'd love to take your second question.

Is it a quick one? It's super, super quick. OK. I just give one thing that has kept me up and down with this administration is thinking about what after. Hopefully this is at most an eight-year administration barring any kind of international disaster.

Oh no. So I'm curious what you think happens after Trumpism. How do we get back? We have to write a bunch of fucking ethics laws with teeth and then... Yeah, we need some ethics law. Of course, the ones we have, like the Hatch Act, and the Mime's Clause and a bunch of other things. Yeah, money out of politics, get rid of citizens united and all that.

That's a positive. We don't fix that. We're going to get taken over by some other country. I mean, the Russians pulled this stunt, but it's going to be China, the Saudis, or somebody, because we're up for sale. We've got a four sales on our government. Oh, yeah.

The city in the United, so we've got to fix that. And then we've got to have some ethics laws on conflicts and ventures. Elizabeth Warren has a good bill on that, though. Yeah. We'd require the President, the Vice President, on conflicts of interest. Elizabeth Warren has a good bill on that. Would require the President, the Vice President, members of the U.S. House and Senate to not have financial conflicts of interest. We shouldn't have the United States Senators owning health care stocks. We shouldn't have a president in real estate business. And Elizabeth Warren's bill would shut that circus down. Woo! Thank you, and Sarah, shout out to social workers.

We are under-appreciated. Thank you. Thank you. Hi. Hi, it's Eric from Minneapolis. So I addressed this to Mr. Painter earlier, but I'd like to hear again from Mr. Painter in the MSW crew. I have some very staunch pro-Trump people in my lives and I love them very dearly,

but I'm wondering how do you move them to understanding the crisis that were in? Mueller Report by Mueller She wrote. I understand that, but they would go, they're like, la la la la la la la. I don't want to hear that. So what I'm trying to say. I think common ground is really helpful, because even I get caught in my progressive bubble, but there's a lot of common issues that Americans have.

And so yeah, I feel like if you start off with like, hey, I know you're feeling this way, or however you want to address it, and then try to come in with the things that disagree with, they might hear you more if the first thing you say is something that you know is a couple of the sandwich yeah yeah sort of like yeah yeah or like the money out of politics I know most Republicans I know want to get money out of politics they don't want their politicians in spot and sold either yeah look for common ground yeah definitely money out of politics

across the board you have a agreement on. And then even on some of the other issues, I find just the language you use to talk about this issue can affect how it comes across. I don't think the government should be regulating abortions, for example. But I address that as a freedom issue. It's not men versus women. It's not a group identity. They know that government has no business sticking its nose in healthcare decisions and end of life and all that too. You know, try to reach out and create this bigger group

instead of this group versus that group. And, you know, the polarizing rhetoric that I think has some, obviously we have most of it from Donald Trump, but you can also come up with polarizing rhetoric and group identity politics on the other side that just gets things going and it feeds on itself. Let's bring everyone together. We're one country and we certainly don't need

the Russians choosing our president. How many of these people really think the Ruskies out of we choosing our president. How many of these people really think the Ruskies ought to be choosing our president? Yes, sir, hello. Regarding the redactions in the Mueller report, Robert Mueller says he seems to be OK with them. I'm just wondering how valid is it to redact the unindicted people that were listed in the report?

Well, Robert Mueller is not okay. I don't think he's okay with this being withheld from Congress. So first of all, the entire unredacted Mueller report needs to go to Congress. And they could review it. And there's Sampena needs to be complied with it. I'm sick of tired of Sampena's getting greeted with a middle finger from this administrativeing. Could you imagine like an average like poor American just saying no I'm not going to

answer your subpoena it would not happen yeah that's insane. Get a bench warrant. Yeah they would need a bench warrant for William Barr is what we need. Yeah. Maybe one day they'll rename it the bar warrant, and it'll be named after him once we arrest him. Hi. I'm Squeezing Justin. This is great. Thank you. I'm Kate. I love the podcast.

It's fantastic. Can we start a new sort of fantasy league where you could select maybe three to five people that we could actually hear from debate in the Democratic debates coming up because I don't know what John's doing. Yeah. So I would love to hear who would you love to have up on that stage and you know who do you want to hear most from? Out of like the 500 candidates.

Yeah, and they're most. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, Warren is super, super at the top with my list right now. Kamala is a brilliant person. She's incredibly brilliant. And then, yeah, I'm trying to pick my white dude pick. Oh, Why do you that okay the guy that said yeah, but it's but it's just fantastic. Yeah, but it's just fantastic

Andrew Yang because he has that hole like a Thousand dollars to every household. Yes, um, I don't know how far I don't go, but I want to see him debate it Yeah, same I don't know how far I'd go, but I want to see him debate it. Yeah. Same. I'm all about my- Again, I've already pledged my vote. Well, who's the governor who said he's going to fix climate change if he's president? Like, okay, I like that guy. Yeah, yeah.

That's my white guy pick, right there. Exactly. Yeah. I don't think he made it to the debate stage. Did he make it to the- He did? All right, cool. Which day? One or two. Two? Exactly. I don't think you made it to the debate stage. Did you make it to the stage? You did? All right.

Which day? One or two? Two? Nice. They're both going to be good. Oh my God. Yeah. June 26 and 27, I think.

Yep. We'll have a drinking game. Are you all going to let Amy Clevver show? No, she's going to change her stance on self-fied mining. We do not want that stand up against that. Last question. Deborah, you of MLOM. Nice to meet you.

I'm going to ask you a question. I'm going to ask you a question. I'm going to ask you a question. I'm going to ask you a question. I'm going to stand up against that. Last question. Deborah, you of MLUM. Nice to meet you, Richard, and all of you. What drives me fucking nuts is the OLC memo. The one that says you can't indict a sitting president

or the one that says Trump doesn't have to hand his taxes. The latter. And it's like a catch 22. So if this president or any other president got in illegally, and then you can't indict, yeah, that's the big question, right? What if he did shoot someone on Fifth Avenue? You can't indict a sitting president? Well, what if he did hide people that, you know,

he paid off, you know, for, you know, like SDNY horse. And, you know, he got in, what if he got in illegally? And we still can't. And it's a terrible catch 22 with the Attorney General, because we can't go make a criminal referral from the Congress to the Department of Justice because the bar isn't charged that. And we can't, and there's just not that many ways around it. That's why I really like your idea of having the New York Attorney General,

Attorney General around the country, bring charges. Yeah, yeah. So my point exactly. Yeah, it seems like they almost planned it, right? Like everything. No, really, I think they studied every single law they knew they can get away with.

They're like, get around. And yeah, just. Well, here's my real question. Well, Trump didn't study it, but somebody did. No, no, my real concern is, what do we do about that memo? Hopefully not have to write it out. I mean, at the worst case. But I think there's a couple of presidential candidates

who have said that they're going to get rid of it. I don't know how do you get rid of it. Do you have any ideas, Richard on besides what we've discussed already you know not for now maybe but in future. OLC has lost its reputation and this came before Trump we have these people at OLC and John you and those guys draft up those torture mamas back in 2003 and to completely just stored in in the law. You know, basically OLC is part of the Department of Justice and they're supposed to be giving

advice interpreting the law and the Constitution, but at the end of the day they get pressure from the White House and they cave. They're all political appointees and they're Republican administrations or all these federalist society guys run around around and they're federalist societies. They aren't career government employees. And so OLC memos, I mean, there's another one with nepotism. They told me that the president couldn't hire his family.

They showed me a memo that said the Jimmy Carter couldn't hire his son as an intern in the White House. When I was in the White House, I asked that question. They showed it to me. And I had to sell some big shot. He couldn't bring his son in in turn. And that, of course, they turned around on that. We got jared in a mawka.

So they turned around on a dime. Yeah, OLC. So, you know, I don't advocate graffiti, but I sometimes would like to go into a washroom, sit down there, and look over there and see OLC Mevbo take one. That's what it is. Yeah, that is a roller sharp. All right guys. So this is my favorite part of the show. Thank you for your question. Thank you for all your questions. Thanks for coming out. So Maniforce on his way to New York to face state charges there for real estate fraud, I think. And he gets to stay while he's there at Rikers Island.

It's comfortable. It's Gabor Hood adjacent. No, it's Riker's fucking island. So I'm really excited about this because I get to bring back one of my favorite parts of the show. I'm going to split the room into three parts. You guys over here. You are.

Fuck. Let me hear it. Fuck. You guys in the middle. Fuck. Fuck. in the middle. Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck. Fuck. All right, we're going to do it. Ready? Everybody.

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