Jack - The Grand Bargain (feat. Hemant Mehta, The Friendly Atheist)

Episode Date: June 10, 2019

Joining us this week is Hemant Mehta aka The Friendly Atheist! We also give updates on Trump's tax returns, Giuliani being Giuliani, why MBZ ain't nothin to f*ck with, and more! Enjoy!  

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So look for that on their feed soon. We're doing this resistance cinema. Yeah, we've been busy. Yeah, that was fun. Yeah, that was amazing. All of that with this called Duggery Guys. God was great. Yeah, the girls at Gaslit Nation.

I like the review. We just ended up in a Russia conversation. A big Russia conversation. Yeah, that was a good one Yeah, definitely listen to it once that comes out. It was fun. And they're like hey, can we get back to the movie because I was doing this one. I want to talk about Russia for a minute Yeah, no, there's so much fun. Yeah, those ladies are great. Thank you Andrea Chalupa. Thank you Sarah Kenzie. You guys are amazing They're so smart and articulate and funny. Yeah, it's really great to just you, Andrea Chalupa. Thank you, Sarah Kenzie. You guys are amazing. They're so smart and articulate and funny. Yeah, it's really great to just talk to them and listen to them. And was it on, Andre was at our Brooklyn show?

Yes, she was. On our panel. Yeah, on our panel for the Brooklyn show. She was great. Well, guys, we have a lot to get to this week. So let's start with my favorite segment, Corrections All right guys first for clarification the Stonewall riot happened in New York City not San Francisco I don't know who said that was I said that that's my bad. I'm the gay one and well We're all I'm super gay one and I got that wrong. Oh, no, I'm super straight. I'm not even a little gay I got a turn in the right new York. I didn't correct you. I that's my bad That's all kid. We are a little bit. I was kidding about that. I'm super stupid. I was more the straight pride

That's right. I saw you. Did you see my low? Yeah, nobulous was their guy their parade guy What do you call it fucking hilarious? We call the head of the parade the Marshall yeah, the but don't master the general Yeah, he killed Marshall or something like that. He was there. They picked him wow they picked a gay dude to be in charge of the gay pride Well, he's the word straight pride dude ever so there you go. Yeah, he probably has more straight pride than straight people Yeah, there are a lot of straight people though at the Pride parade marching on the front Yeah, yeah, just cool because they're allies and Honestly my low is an ally to them. He's the only person I would refer to it openly straight

You know what I mean, that's a good point Yeah, and if someone could like email us the name of the person that leads the parade because it's a specific It's a grand marshal. Oh, yeah, Okay. Okay. I was thinking of like a marching band There's another name for the person that leads, but they weren't marching. Oh, yeah, the earth. Yeah. What do you know what they're called? I know I am the band leader. The candy man candy man. The guy with the stick with the ball on the end of it. I imagine it's a long peppermint stick for some reason. That's adorable. Why am I it's because I've only seen Macy's holiday parades. You know that, or was it a loss, right?

Yeah, yeah. You only go to Christmas parades. Christmas pride. Have a good life. Also, anesthesiologists are doctors, according to one of our amazing anesthesiologist patrons. Though he says doctors, doctors note like the one written for George Nader would normally come from a surgeon

and not an anesthesiologist But they are doctors. I didn't know that. I didn't know that were like full MDs They made me were like a I'm totally gonna insult all anesthesiologists right now But I thought they were like x-ray techs or LVNs or I know they know that interesting They make more than like everyone that was is often an operation. I like that from the great anatomy They actually deserve it totally. That's the most dangerous part. Oh, yeah Your ass is either dead or an immense pain if they do their job wrong. Right. And I mean, that's the big. That's like everyone says, ah, you know, the surgery itself, no biggie. If you know,

the anesthesiologist part is always a risk. Wow. I wonder like what approach they would. Yeah, because grace anatomy was very vague about what they do. I remember the guy sitting and reading a magazine, but like, I'm sure they do they do. Um, I remember the guy is sitting and reading a magazine But like I'm sure they do like adjustments like they probably just know when things go wrong what to do. Oh, yeah Absolutely, and they have to measure it and watch and check Fiddle titles. Yeah damn. Yeah. Thank you guys. Yeah, thank you to all the anesthesiologists. Yes. Thank you Dr. Anasthesiologist. Yes, Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr Dr. Anesthesiologist. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr.

Czechoslovakia ceased to be a country in 1993 when Slovakia and the Czech Republic Amicably broke up in two different countries in what is called the velvet divorce Well much like my former band the velvet tongue which is That piece of information sprang from our discussion of Cohen's phone being pinged in Prague in 2016 the last time I was in Prague I called it Prague Czechoslovakia because I was there in 1990. So I was like it's Chakras Vaggett, you know. I like it. May I say pinged in Prague sounds like the weirdest pointer? We could make it. We could actually resist and cinema. I immediately got a gross chill down my spine because that's where Nader was arrested. No. Crows. I just put in jail. Disgusting human being. The term spear fishing is different from just fishing in that it's

not an indiscriminate wide net that they cast. It's researched and tailored to convincingly full of specific target. They specifically went after Podesta's shortcomings. I don't know. Yeah, that explains the spear reference because it's like very focused and pointed. Yeah, either that or you just don't send it to a bunch of random email addresses You send them specifically to these email addresses at like Hillary Clinton dot org or something right right specifically tailored for those people or Individuals. Yeah, what about like in the movie 300 when all the spears came at once that's a big spear fishing They were spear-humaning. Yeah, oh we should get that gift going from 300 I think the end of the scene where they are shooting all the arrows at once. Yeah, I don't know that movie

I just I just didn't love with the guy who stars at once. Yeah, I don't know that movie. I just, I just didn't love with the guy who stars in it. True. I bet, yes. This is Sparta. You never seen that? I know of it. But you just haven't seen it in like, not a Sparta person.

I went in not knowing what it was. And I was like, whoa. It's intense. Yeah, yeah. I took Latin in high school. I was enough for me. Like, I get it. That's fair.

That's fair. I've seen a lot of Persians in that movie. I see what happened here. Yeah, I like Persians, but it was just like I was like, well a lot of really like spoilers. Yeah, it's really told me I can't watch room. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, I love Gerard Butler though. PSI Love you is one of my favorite movies Super guilty pleasure and that guy's super hot. He does my favorite SNL sketch of all time beauty and the beast It's seriously the best because it's a it's a comedic point of view I would have never thought to take and it's the simplest one where they're singing Beauty and

the Beast and it's Kristen Weig and he says oh I can't wait for your the curse to be broken and you won't be a beast anymore. Oh, he thinks she's the beast. That's hilarious. I'm sorry. What? Yeah, I can see Bhutina being in this catch if she ever went to a piererness and I'm like, you know, beauty in the beads, bees like remake for that. Yeah, I would, yeah, but Gerard Butler can sing a lot better. And so can Kristen Wig, even though she was making fun of it, like she comes out in her first opening line is, tail is all just high. You know, just do this really super bell voice. Yeah, yeah. I always called her Kristen Wigg.

I am so sorry. It could be Wigg. Well, two eyes makes, or is it two eyes or two G's? It's two eyes. Yeah, that sounds like Wigg. It could be. Yeah, yeah. I don't know.

Another thing that you did besides the Stonewall in San Francisco was you called RGB RBG. Oh, I always do that, yeah. But, or, sorry, you called RBG RGB. I just did it. I was like, wait. But, or, sorry, you called RBG RGB, I just did it. I was like, wait, a Ruth Gator Ginsburg. But we could change your name to Ruth Gator Binsburg. Ooh, yeah, yeah.

Which I think rolls off the top back. Like Tigo Biddy is just like, yeah. Mix it up a little bit. Tiddy is Binsburg. That's what she goes by. That's her new nickname. She's totally for it too, because, you know, women. And finally, apparently cows do fart.

A veterinarian listener has told us. Wow. But the burps do contribute to the climate crisis. That's true. Yeah, what about female cows? She's like having been a large animal veterinarian and being at the receiving end of cow fart I hear to you they fart.

Oh my goodness. I thought, somebody said they don't fart. I took it for, I heard it on the John Oliver show. Yeah. Oh, that could have been, yeah, joke now that I think about it. Yeah. Oh dang. Okay.

Fake California news. Damn you, Oliver. Guys, thank you again for your corrections. Your constructive feedback means the world. If you have a correction, just head to mullershereb.com, click contact and then select corrections so you can build us our compliments in which we will get it right eventually. Alright guys, let's get into this week's news with just the facts. Alright guys, this week Turtle Dick Mitch McConnell blocked yet another bill in a raft of legislation intended to secure our elections from foreign interference

in 2020 and on into modernity into the future. These bills include a demmeasure, a Democrat measure that would send a billion or so dollars to state and local governments to assist them in securing their elections. And if you remember from the Mueller report, we just talked about this, I think in part three, Mueller didn't investigate state and local election counts and left that to the FBI. He's like, well, although we know that the vote was probably hacked, we didn't look into this. Why? I thought that was your deal, but not his deal. He carved himself even a smaller little narrow piece of investigatory history.

And there are no federal protections for this, you know, for voting in the states and local state board of elections, state boards of election and stuff like that. So basically leaves the states to fend for themselves and in states like Kentucky where the Republicans and charge benefit from Russian interference, there's just a lack of incentive to fix it. So we now have the Republicans in the Senate blocking the funding. Then there was a bipartisan measure that would require internet companies like Facebook to disclose the purchasers of their political ads.

Scandalist for some reason, Turtle Dick Mitch blocked it. Another bipartisan bill was to codify cyber information sharing initiatives between intelligence services and state election officials and provide incentives for adopting hand-marked paper ballots. But McConnell is blocking that too. He's blocking them all, saying our state and local apparatuses

are doing just fine and don't need any additional security. It's just fine. Nothing to see here, despite Mueller's findings that the 2016 elections were subject to sweeping and systematic interference by the Russians and probably six other countries. And all 50 states were breached. Guys, but no state behind totally fine.

Yeah, it's all equal. It appears that our best hope is through congressional appropriations where Democrats have a little more leverage because they control the house, meaning like a spending bill passed last week in the relevant House subcommittee that could serve as an opening position. It contains $600 million for Alexa's security with a stipulation that if states want to access the money, they have to replace their direct recording electronic voting machines with a system that has individual durable voter verified paper hand-marked ballots.

That's a lot of requirements. But I am all for this. They're all very important because we talked to Jennifer Cohn on our show about the importance of hand-marked paper ballots. But we'll see what happens. So now they're all very important because and we talked to Jennifer Cone on our show about the importance of handmarked paper ballots But we'll see what happens. So now they're just trying to put it in the budget Yeah, they're like we're not gonna pass a budget unless you give us some money for election And it's so much more personal like I want to leave a little cute little hand note like written I like I know I love you Hillary. I like I heart Obama. Yeah, yeah personal comment what you vote for me check

Yes, no just yeah, yeah, yeah, personal comments. Well, you vote for me. Check. Yes. No, just waste my vote. Check this box. Maybe That's ranked choice voting. Yes. No, maybe. Oh, yeah. Of course. Yeah This past Monday Trump associate George Nader was arrested As soon as he set foot foot back in the United States. He I think he landed at JFK for charges These are charges filed in April of 2018 under seal for transporting child pornography really fucking disgusting child pornography The time like it's all I mean I was gonna say yeah, but totally like especially but I figured like I'm like I'll just read this and It was ten times worse than I even imagined it could be Anyway, the timeline of events here according to public reporting and what we've learned from other sources is that in January of 2018,

Nader was stopped at Dallas, right? This is back when Mueller was stopping and frisking people at airports and private jets out of the gate of private jet But he was stopped in Dallas brought in for questioning and he had three phones on him and they were seized Nader provided three Proph recessions and one additional session that wasn't a proffer session Answering questions posed by the Mueller team regarding the investigation into Russian interference. He was given partial immunity for his testimony and remains one of the only figures in the investigation that was granted any kind of immunity that we know of, at least.

And meanwhile a month later, the FBI is dicking around with the phones, they finally broke into them, and found a bunch of child pornography on one of his three iPhones. A lot of it, like 12 videos. And by then, Nader was done cooperating and had left the country. So in April, they filed charges under seal for child pornography, for transporting child pornography. And they filed an under seal. So they wouldn't alert him wherever he was in the world that he was being charged because they figured he would destroy further evidence or avoid returning to the US or avoid arrest so he wouldn't be extra-dited. But he came back this week, didn't realize,

I guess, that he was being charged with, he didn't think that FBI would find the videos on one of his phones. Yeah, but he's just been living in complete paranoia. Oh, that's how, but why would he come back, right? If that's the case. Yeah, I don't know. I thought he was about to get some back in.

Didn't he file anything long enough? Long enough. It worked. Yeah, it did work. Yeah. So he was picked up at JF sleep again. All his fail anything long enough. Long enough. Mm-hmm. It worked. Yeah, they're planned. Yeah. So he was picked up at JFK. He's being held without bail, because he's a flight risk. He's got like a chalet and Lebanon and some other fucking chalet.

Somewhere where rich assholes live. Yeah. And he, I think he can check Republic. I can't remember. But anyway, he's got a bunch of houses overseas. And he's worth three million dollars One million of it is in cryptocurrency. What a worthless piece of shit to be worth so much. That's crazy Yeah, I know a lot of money for a shitty person and he's actually the guy if you don't remember who native is he was the guy at the

August 3rd Trump tower meeting the most consequential meeting of everything even more important than the June Nice 2016 Trump tower meeting. He's the guy who paid Zammel, Joel Zammel, of Sci Group, $2 million after Trump won the election, but not because they did any work for them. Oh, no. Two million just to say thanks for the chat. Yeah, here's two thirds of my net worth. Yeah, thanks for the memories.

Totally right. Exactly. And he set up the meeting, or was in the meeting in the Seychelles with Eric Prince that was just an accident. We just bumped into each other and in Biza, MbZ of the UAE. And he, yeah, he's just an all around piece of shit. And I think he has a lot to do with, I think he's kind, he might be caught up. I have beans on him being caught up in the super secret subpoena battle from the company from country A Yeah, but I don't know yet And also maybe he was the guy in Prague of summer of 2016. Oh painting dog

Yeah, even super space beans on the fact that the reason Cohen had his phone was because he was blackmailing him I Wonder if he would be at all open or able to like strike a plea deal with this case I don't know how I would feel about lowering your child pornography time in prison. I'd feel very badly about that. To get this kind of information. Totally, yeah.

They might have enough on him in the other case to work with him, because he had three proffer sessions and one non-proffer session, which means he blew up a proffer session and lied in it, which maybe one of the reasons he left the country before he was charged with anything. What if he turns on other people, the other oligarchs that are involved in sex,

like especially child sex trafficking stuff? Oh yeah. If he gave evidence on Mogulay Vitch, his child pornography and is like nothing compared to his child sex trafficking in pornography. Right. Like it to the source of the ring. Yeah, yeah.

But so do you let 12 child pornography videos slide to get the guy who is in charge of all child pornography in the Eastern block? Unfortunately, it sounds like that's how I would go down, right? Is it still called the Eastern block? I'm not sure. I'm all 1989 in my head, you know? That's a tough call.

Tear down the wall. Come on, guys, it's about time. Maybe you can still get them for something and then like, yeah, take down the bigger guy at the same time Like don't let them get away with it entirely. Yeah, I feel that's yeah, like less of a sentence I guess. For sure. I would like to hope that his plea deal would be less of a sentence for what he did in in the Russia UAE election interference stuff But the fact that you're facing 15 to 40 already

Would make you a lot less likely to cooperate. For sure. So I feel like you would have to offer to take time off that table in order to get them to do so. I guess, I don't know how I feel about it. I just don't know how I feel about it. It's really tough. I don't know either.

Because it's the risk-sidivism rate of molesters and child criminals. You know what I mean? Not like is pretty high. It's the third time. Yeah, exactly. That's just to when it got caught. That's insane. Yeah, well, he has a preliminary hearing this Monday.

He's been remanded in custody until his trial starts. He's not leaving jail probably for the rest of his life. Good. At least that's my hope. I hate, I would hate for it to be like, we're gonna give you four months. Thanks for cooperating. High five, you know.

Yeah. Go hang on with your buddy Flynn, who's out of jail also. I really wanna know what those amazing plea deals were cut for because it's not what's being charged. That's in those, I feel like that's in those referred, somewhere in those referred. Gray and bargain, counterintelligence, some sort of investigation.

And I hope they end up getting, I hope we find out about it. Yeah, same. I need that closure. Interesting interjection in the nature story by Seth Abramson, by the way. He spent, like I said, he spent a lot of time in Prague. So much time, in fact, he was arrested and charged there for child pornography and molesting children. He was actually not just transporting child pornography, he was actually molesting underage

boys, which makes me wonder about the summer of 2016, Mueller report allegations of someone from the Trump campaign being in the area, paying off the Russian hacking hubs that were set up there that we learned about recently from public reporting. And then when I thought about that, like I said, I started thinking about the secret subpoena battle with company from country A, are they involved in the payoff?

Is that who that is? There's just so many dots that I'm not sure about. Yeah, we need a murder board for a real weapon here. Have you considered putting one up on the wall? We have the curtains. That's true. And I, you know, connecting dots. That's tough.

The murder boards in my head. Yeah. Guys, the White House is continuing. It's obstruction of justice spree this week. Is it blocked Hope Hicks and Annie Donaldson from complying with congressional subpoenas to appear in handover documents. Hope Hicks though did handover some documents, but neither will comply with the order to testify June 19th and June 22nd, I think, with the White House providing cover for them under executive privilege. This was the plan, I think, when the White House deemed the entire Mueller report protected by executive

privilege. We were like, why are you doing that? This is why. So that any testimony about it or any documents related to it cannot be handed over. Nadler praised Hope Hicks during Nadler. He's head of the Judiciary Committee in the House. Praise Hope Hicks for handing over some of the documents as a show of good faith and says he will continue to negotiate with both women for the next few weeks as lawmakers attempt to arrange public testimony pursuant to the subpoenas. Now obviously the president has no lawful basis to block these subpoenas despite what the White House Council Pat Sipalone said, Sipalone said, informing Natalie wrote a letter saying Hicks and Donaldson have been instructed not to comply saying they do not have the legal right to

disclose White House records to third parties. Hicks is testified in she already testified in 2018 to the House Intel Committee when it was Republican led but she did not in 2018 to the House Intel Committee when it was Republican led, but she did not answer questions about the transition or her time in the White House, only campaign stuff. And apparently that pissed them off, so they want to bring her back in. But her document production was also only about the campaign and not about her transition or time in the White House.

Right. Yeah. That part where she was sitting at the desk with the giant electoral map taped to the front of it that you had to see before you went into the top of the president to just remind you that he won. Yeah, the dish flag. Yeah, yeah. Dish flag. I like that.

So, a dish bag. Also, this week, Manafort's facing charges in New York for real estate fraud. We reported on this. And while that happens, he gets a cushy new home at Rikers Island. In solitary confinement, yeah. Yeah. Wow. But his solitary I think is from what I understand a six by eight cell with a toilet in it. So it's not like the whole it's not like shocking the white the white puffy stuff. Yeah the big fluffy pillow walls. Yeah

that would be nice. That's like makes it. It's like a fun house. Yeah. It's not like that cement hole with you know no light or anything. Right, but it is still torture Right to a degree. Yeah, to have no clock and be alone 23 hours a day is I think mentally torturous But he he has to be there and I think I mean we had this discussion this week We were like why are they putting him in solitary confinement? A lot of people said it was for his protection because mogul avic and the Russians are out to get him and I'm like I don't think so I think the I think he's a hero in Russia I think he blew up his plea deal and he didn't turn in anybody and I think

They're cool with that. I think they appreciate kind of like Maria Bhutna. Yeah, so who's punishing him? I don't think it's a punishment. I think he is still crime-ing. Oh Yeah, then I'm talking to people. Yeah, he's a he's a flyer. That's how they have to do before when he was in Regular prison. He was making phone calls and doing that He's a flight risk. That's how to do before when he was in regular prison, he was making phone calls and doing that and foldering where you share files through Gmail with his lawyers, with his laptops back and forth. Yeah, I can see him Shaw Shank Redemption

like digging in a little hole out of there too. He's crazy, yeah. He's not smart enough. Yeah, but it is definitely conceivable that in that entire prison population, there's someone that has ties to Russian oligarchs 100% he gets talked to probably a prison guard. Yeah, oh my god. That's true. There's probably in like I wouldn't be surprised at 10% of the guards at Rikers aren't fucking on

four-way bitches. Yeah. That's how big this guy is. Oh, I believe it. That'd be an interesting like spin in the movie there, you know, like, yeah. So, yeah, I think I think he's in there because, remember, he was out on Bayelia to ankle bracelets on and he wrote an op-ed. And they're like, you can't do that. So they put him in jail took his ankle bracelets off. And from jail, he was witness tampering and subordinate perjury with his two buddies about the whitewash report about Temeschenko in Ukraine. For sure. With that whole group, Skaden and Vanders' one. And then they're like, all right, so they put them

in solitary confinement. Like we have to keep you away from everything in anyone because, and I think that's why he's in solitary. Got it, got it. Either that or just to protect him from general pop. Just a guy with Gout like that. Yeah, a guy with Gout. Yeah, guy with gout. I would have been more. No gout shaming.

No, no, just a matter for it, shaming. Totally. I remember last week when I said Congress was planning to conduct Mueller hearings after the Memorial Day holiday. Yes. Well, beans come true. This week, both the House Judiciary and the House Intelligence Committee chaired by Democrats, Nadler, and Adam Schiff, respectively,

will begin public congressional hearings related to the Mueller report. I'm calling them the Mueller hearings. I suggest you do the same. In the judiciary, they intend to bring in panels of experts to include former federal prosecutors, along with John Dean, former White House counsel that blew open the Watergate hearings, to testify about what obstruction of justice is. He's pretty good. He pretty much knows what that is, John Dean. Oh yeah. Also, some of these, you know, the thousand former federal prosecutors who signed a note that said Trump obstructed justice. And if he was a citizen, he'd be behind bars. What is required to bring criminal charges, they're going to talk about that, like the requirements of,

you know, charging someone with obstruction, indictments, and how the facts in volume two of the Mueller report meet those requirements and why. So then in the House Intelligence Committee, Adam Schiff over there, they're focusing on volume one and the counterintelligence investigation. Two weeks ago, Schiff subpoenaed the Attorney General Bill Barr to hand over information on the counterintelligence investigation, opened by the FBI into Trump and his campaign, opened by McBabe. None of the counterintelligence findings are in the Mueller report.

No, have there been any additional briefings that we know of to the gang of eight by the FBI on that part of the investigation since Komi did it back before it was fired. And Bar, that's the one where Burr went to the White House and said, Hey guys, listen to this. Attorney General Barr has refused to hand anything over and so shift threatened to hold him in contempt for non-compliance. Barr said, all right, we'll give you some stuff. Please don't hold me in contempt, bro. And this is the same thing that happened in the other committee

when they asked him for unredacted molar material, but they voted and held him in contempt within that committee. But that vote goes to the full house this week, along with a full house contempt vote for Don McGahn for defying his subpoena. So shift will start counterintelligence hearings this Wednesday in the house, including having two FBI agents. Two with the-

Two with the- Two with the FBI agents. I'm gonna count and testify. It's gonna be so- When the drugs take in. Guys, guys, guys, guys, guys. Two FBI agents. Two FBI agents. Their names are Stephanie Douglas and Robert Anderson.

Mr. Anderson? Oh. As we know, 40 FBI agents were co-located with Mueller's team and counterintelligence evidence would be sent back to FBI HQ. That's the headquarters. Quantico, as it came up in the investigation and counterintelligence investigations do not charge people with crimes. They determine if someone is compromised by a foreign government, if they're willful or unwitting agents or assets

and by what degree of confidence. So, you know, they might come back and say something like Trump is compromised. He is a Russian asset. He is unwitting. And we have extremely high confidence. Like, uh, and we have moderate confidence that he is a willful conspirator and compromise. But like, so they do this rating system. Totally. What you do with that information. I'm talking about impeach. I was going to say, I hope it ends with him not being there anymore.

Ideally, but I think we would need to flip the Senate first, right? You think it's possible in 2020? Yeah, I don't even know how you do that. Like, if you find out that somebody's compromised and is a high counterintelligence asset risk, do you just go and take them out of the White House? Who's just that? Who's in charge of that? 20% of the men or Congress? Yeah, I would hope that at that point more senators would be willing to do that. Do you see certain programs? I don't know how many are Republican, but don't you think they already know? Are they just not saying because it's not politically or publicly known. I think that and the evidence isn't incontrovertible to the general public enough for them to stand

behind that. I think it's too risky in their eyes unless their constituents are going to be like, oh, yeah, this is fucked up, which apparently it would take a lot for that to happen. Yeah, it looks like it. But that one lady at the Justin Amash Rally where she's like, I had no idea there was anything negative about Trump and the Mueller report because she just listens to Fox News in the Attorney General. Totally.

And you're like, that's what they're telling her. I think it's sorry. I was going to say, I've been considering listening to Fox News just to hear what the fuck they're telling them. Like, just so I'll know what approach to take when their, you know, crazy comes at me. I'm like, oh, no, I heard that too. By the way, this is weird. Yeah.

Like when they released the voicemail of John Dowd, dangling a pardon to Flynn, they didn't even cover it. They were just talking about how the moon is big tonight. And you can see Jupiter's moons and your binoculars could check out. And the moon is part of mine. You could watch a little bit of Fox News memorize something that was said

and then break conversation with them, be like, hey, you see a tonight on Hannity when he said kids deserve to be engaged because they're brown yeah also remember when they said that Trump is a criminal and should be in peach like oh I didn't see that one oh yeah dude it was crazy that's right we should create our own Fox news but like Fox knows like you just like it's one letter off but people get it confused and they just go on and deliver like what sounds like a Colbert rapport but then like subliminally slip just go on and deliver like what sounds like a Colbert report,

but then like, subliminally slip shit and like that. I like that. Like, remember those commercials he used to play with the cowboy, the catheter cowboy? Yeah, to get through the cramp. At the John Oliver. Yep, yep. And he'd be like, oh, and by the way,

there are three separate branches of government. Yeah, yeah, he paid for real ads to like, subliminally change from crime. To run off Fox News. Yeah, yeah. With the catheter cowboy, like the actual guy. That's beautiful. From Liberty Caff. I love John Oliver. So, it's a bit of a shock to me. So, it's a bit of a shock to me. So, it's a bit of a shock to me. So, it's a bit of a shock to me. So, it's a bit of a shock to me.

So, it's a bit of a shock to me. So, it's a bit of a shock to me. So, it's a bit of a shock to me. So, it's a bit of a shock to me. So, it's a bit of a shock to me. So, it's a bit of a shock to me. So, it's a bit of a shock to me. So, it's a bit of a shock to me. So says he's close to issuing a subpoena for Mueller's public testimony.

Mueller has said he would testify privately, but Nadler doesn't want that. He wants him to testify publicly. And so he's gonna subpoena him. And Mueller isn't gonna defy a subpoena. Yeah, it's a peanut power. Yeah, I would literally die if the White House blocked Mueller's subpoena

and Mueller went cool. Yeah, that doesn't seem like Mueller style. He follows the rules. He is a rule guy. We know it was a trap. It wasn't indicted. Yeah, Sanctimonious choir boy. Yeah The Caputo tweet. Yeah, yeah, Sanctimonious club. I think that was combing. That was about the homie. Yeah, yeah They're both rule followers for the most part. Comey. They're cut from the same choir. Yes I wanted to ask Michael is aovtis when we were interviewing him, but I wonder what it would take for Mueller to say anything publicly in a testimony like that,

that goes outside of what he specifically wrote in the Mueller report. I don't think he would. I think he'd be like, I'm not gonna answer that. Yeah. I'd like to believe that there's some breaking point in which he would pull a Komi and put some editorial shit in there. Oh yeah, do you like a book of tell-all caught preaching to the sanctimonious choir boy or something? Yeah, I just love that he's his own lawyer. So there would be nobody next to him. He would just have side bars with himself. Mr. Mueller, were you forced to shut down the investigation

and then he just backs up and huddles on himself? Talked like, looks back and forth, does some shifty eyes and comes back to him, I I'm not gonna answer that question. Oh, lawyers it out in his own head. But he needs a second. Yeah, he's going to be great. Public testimony, but he's not going to tell you anything you want to hear. Nope.

But what we need to hear though, yeah, we do need the public to hear what is in his report and it's fine. Just sit there and tell us. Yeah, it's a lot. It's still, I would say enough. Yeah, every new station will be playing it. All the gyms will be playing it. Yeah, it's a lot. It's still I would say enough. Yeah, every new station would be playing it, all the gyms would be playing it. It would really make a difference. No, that's what I noticed. Every time something goes down and it's just like,

you know, all right, so tell us about paragraph 19 where you said the obstruction of justice this and this and it and and and tell us about that. And he just repeat what's in the sound by circulating. Yeah. Yes. I don't think he's a sound bite generator. No, but he'll say things that people can just clip and be like, listen to this shit. Yeah. Yeah. He won't come out and say, I didn't exonerate Trump. He'll say, no, I did not do this because he'll do all this talk that is very precise. Yeah. But it's important. Even that would be better than people like having to read something. Unfortunately, this country is not big on reading.

It's true. I think they're going to help a lot. The molar hearings will help. So with a counterintelligence hearings, which are also the molar hearings, but some more details have come out about Jerry Noudler's pitch in that he's framing. Oh, so Jerry Noudler is now backing impeachment. Yes. I, if I've told you this, he's flipped on impeachment this week. He's low

key pushing Pelosi behind the scenes to allow him to open impeachment inquiry in the House Judiciary and he wants to centralize all investigations into Trump and Trump's companies and Trump's family under the umbrella of the House Judiciary Committee. At a meeting of Democratic heavy hitters this week, House Judiciary chairman Jerry Navar push the House speaker Nancy Pelosi on impeaching, listening her prison comment, her round the world. I like that. That's my news voice. Yeah, Nancy had said behind closed doors that she thinks Trump belongs in prison and everyone was like, what is he gonna see that? That's bullshit. Okay, lock her up with rights. Yeah. But I love how stern they're getting. Just in the last few days, they both have kind of flipped their script.

I also like to, I also love how Republicans think that that accidentally slipped out and someone leaked it. Oh no. That was a designed comment to be heard. Yeah. Yeah. She's not okay. She just changed her mind. She used to be like, you know, maybe sort of impeachment and now she's like, well, prison for sure. Yeah. You might hate her, but nothing she does is a mistake. Yeah. She's always been saying too that she's just trying to go through, wait until it gets to that tipping point. She's always just like, let's just wait, let's just wait, let's just wait. Not necessarily like, no, right, right. Just not right now. And I was always just waiting for that moment. I'm so glad it's here. Yeah, yeah. Her whole strategy might be either we have

to wait for more public support, which I don't think is the case. What I'm starting to believe is she's waiting till it gets closer to the election. Yeah. Honestly. Yeah. I don't see a reason to wait. But that, you know, whatever. Yeah.

It is like a giant can involved basically. We will. We'll impeach him. Oh, yeah. And so, Nathler's pitch to Pelosi is that he's framing his idea around two central points. First, impeachment proceedings would centralize all the investigations into Trump, which are currently sprawled across multiple committees, right? And that would free up the other committees to do the work of legislating and passing bills, even though Turtle Dick Mitch won't bring any of them to the floor of the Senate

so there's really no point other than to pass the bills like you're supposed to because you've done your job and get it on the record that Mitch won't do it so that you can hopefully beat Mitch on the 20th. Right, yeah it so that you can hopefully beat Mitch on the way. Right. Yeah, the turtle on the hair. The second point is what we've been saying all along, opening an impeachment inquiry would give their subpoena more teeth and allow the House Committee to obtain information and evidence far more easily than a regular committee hearing would.

That's it's it's official judicial proceeding. Pelosi objected again as did Adam Schiff this time who does he doesn't want to lose his current position investigating Trump and House Intel committee and I don't know if that's because he just likes the the limelight and he likes what he's doing or if it's he thinks it's a truly bad idea I don't know what Schiff is thinking there right right but his yeah because his counterintelligence hearings begin this week and he's finally getting this counterintelligence information It's like I don't want to handle that. I do know it's work guys. Yeah

Yeah, like let me fire the gun. They might let him work with them though, right? Like ideally he could pass along the information and still be a part of it He would have to work with them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he wouldn't get any other credit Oh his committee and now there's committee though Arguably have done the most work when it comes to the Mueller investigation So he's probably also maybe experiencing a little bit of that like I'm just getting cooking Yeah, yeah, like I have been working behind the scenes. It's all about to come out And I've got like let me yeah, let me have this moment coach and I have to live through fucking newness

Oh my god, and I get that he's totally you know deserves credit But I also hope that he's like more about the cause and he's like you know what here take it I'm here to help. Yeah, I can imagine having to like sacrifice sitting next to Nunez for that long Yeah, and then finally being free and then getting almost there And yeah, and then now there's like I'm gonna have it but for bigger teeth Yeah, I think he's to kind of do that that'll do the right thing. Yeah, what will see what happens? Either I don't care whether they're all done in judiciary or whether they're sprawled out. I really don't give an F.

I think they should open an impeachment inquiry, get the teeth to the subpoenas, get the information they need, have bigger standing in court because it's a judicial proceeding, impeach the MRFR. And this is interesting. Lawrence Tribe has a new idea about impeachment,

saying we could impeach him in the house without ever intending to send articles to the Senate for trial, just censure him in the house. And I thought that that would to the Senate for trial just sent you in the house. And I thought that that would a great idea. But now I'm I disagree with it. I think that forcing the Senate to go down on the historical record forever, saying that they won't acquit him, I think will help smash them in 2020. Oh, yeah.

I think that that, you know, a lot of people are saying that the problem with impeachment is that Trump's going to around saying oh, you failed impeachment I think it's a better position to be in saying we impeached him you failed to convict him. Yeah, he's a criminal Hell yes, especially two years down the road when he does something that's even more egregious than what he's already done And you can 100% have the public backing of removing it from office and then we can double blow to the GOP and say Oh, and remember that time when we could have stopped him and you refuse to even look at evidence. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, you have to live Mitt Romney with the rest of your life for the rest of your life and the rest of history in the history books is going down as the person who acquitted Donald Trump of obstruction of justice. Yeah, he'll be the Johnny Cochrane. I'm aware. How do you feel about that?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, people like Johnny Cochrane, though, still. Yes, true. We already know that Trump is going to say we tried to overthrow him. We already know that. He's going to say that whether we impeach him or not. He'll do that with the Mueller report findings. A failed impeachment in the Senate. Like I said, it's not going to change his narrative. But like I said, it will change ours from we didn't do anything to we did it. And these Republican senators didn't do anything. and that all of history is gonna judge that

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That's thirdlove.com slash AG for 15% off today. You'll be glad you did. All right guys welcome back on to judge Emmett Sullivan and the ongoing legal adventures of Michael Flynn. Dada Dada. If you were calm during a heated sentencing hearing last year, Sullivan was disgusted with Flynn's criminal behavior. You disgust me. You disgust me. It is flag behind me is disgusted by you. Remember that? Yeah, the flag is vomit. Disgusted with his criminal behavior,

he even asked Mueller's team if they considered charging him with treason, if they thought of that. Did you guys think of that? And then he had to walk back that comment a little, because they were like, whoa, like whoa. It was at that time, he knew about everything he'd done with regards to Turkey, but we did not, but Sullivan knew, right?

He also knew about his conversations with Kislyak, Flynn's conversations with Kislyak and potentially more conversations We don't even know about yeah, the John Douthay he probably knew about that He did totally did and he was actively assisting Trump with finding Hillary's emails and that he'd been helping with wiki leaks He'd been dangled a pardon by Trump's team like you're saying that voicemail he knew that. Sullivan then told Flynn, hey man, it would be who you to go forth and cooperate more as much as his criminal ass could muster. And then come back and see me for sentencing. Like this is going to be in your best interest. And they went back and forth like six times on that where it's like, you really, really want me go please cooperate more or I am going to throw your ass in jail

for a really long time even I don't care if Mueller's asking for no time. I almost wish he did but I trust that Mueller got good info. Yeah and I think that what Sullivan knew and saw he was like he can cooperate more and he needs to cooperate more so go go do that you fucking shit. So that's what he's been trying to do right Flynn at least maybe and recently judge Sullivan entered three orders. Uh, minute orders. One was to release the voicemail of Trump's lawyer dangling pardons and intimidating Flynn's lawyer and the second was to make public all redacted molar report materials related to Flynn and the third was to provide

the transcripts of Flynn's calls with Kissley act. The ones he lied about to the FBI in January of 2017 and we got unred we got mostly unredacted versions of those interviews this week. The government released the voicemail, but not the redacted Mueller report and not the Kissley Act conversations. Their reason was, you already have everything and we just don't want to. I mean, it was like a really flimsy reason that just didn't make any sense. They think that what they were trying to say is, it doesn't matter what was in the conversations, what matters is he lied about it. And that's what you're charging him with. Yeah, yeah, but still why hide it?

And we're like, actually, everything that's in the conversations goes to the core of how much time he should serve and present. But anyway, we thought Sullivan would get pissed at this. Sullivan doesn't usually like, excuse me, motherfucker. I asked for some shit, but he didn't, right? And the government still does not acknowledge that the Conversations with Kisley Ak even took place right though. We all know that they did Flynn mentions them in in his sentencing memos and pleading and pleading right the unredacted pleading that we recently got where he said Oh you guys probably recorded these conversations anyway, and that was redacted the government doesn't want us to know that they know that these Conversations exist or at least they're not admitting to it. And we all thought Sullivan,

like I said, would be pissed, but he totally acquiesced with our argument. And those are the facts. My beans are on these conversations having been obtained under FISA warrants, and they're totally classified and that there are other conversations we don't even know about that could pertain to open and ongoing investigations. I think maybe some Lindsey Graham conversations are in there. Because we remember that questioning where Lindsey Graham was trying to find out from the intelligence community, if you guys were recording me, you would have to tell me, right?

You're a cop, right? You're going to tell me. And they actually said, we got your requests, sir. We're working on it. Well, process your application like everybody else. And you wouldn't drop it. He's like, but you have to tell me, right? Sir, we know that you want to know if we recorded it. He's like, but you have to tell me right? Like, sir

We know that you want to know if we recorded you. We'll get back to you And then he went golfing with Trump and then all of a sudden flipped and love Trump when he thought Trump was a fucking Before and those are his words not mine. I wonder why I think Trump had those conversations and black male Lindsey and to be on his side We may never know those are super space. Yeah, probably is promised to protect him Yeah, or you know promised, he protect him. Yeah, or you know, you better kiss my ass or I'm gonna leak these conversations. Where's that picture? I can imagine.

I still wanna know where the RNC, hack, emails are. So Flynn has an updated hearing. June 14th will be in Minneapolis that day. And he will either ask for another delay or Sullivan will sentence him with what he has. Sullivan may have been allowed to view those conversations under seal, ex-parte, and camera, or whatever they say. But there's been no indication of that publicly or the court or on the court docket. You know, usually you see, we'll see something on the court docket like filed under seal order in camera, ex-parte,

right? Discussions with nothing. You don't see something is in there because they have to market somewhere, but there's nothing that we don't see anything so damn let's watch the sentencing So all of his decisions could give us clues to how much he knows and how piste is at Flynn Mm-hmm, but I don't think he's gonna sentence him this time. I think they'll probably ask for another delay But who knows maybe I come back and be like you fuck a 10 years piece of shit Fine. We'll see him who knows but then then we'll have a little bit of insight into what he has seen and how knows, but then then we'll have a little bit of insight into what he has seen and how and like how much of an impact or how what what kind of import these conversations with Kissley Akkad or if he might have more.

God so many of them are going to jail. I hope so. It's crazy. Guys in a related Flynn story this week he fired his legal team and no one knows why. He hired new lawyers. There are two main schools of thought on this. First is that other lawyers were super ex, his lawyers were really expensive. And since they're only doing sentencing,

that's all that's left to go. He might have just canned his pricey guys for cheap dudes to carry him over the finish line. The other school of thought is that he's considering what drawing is guilty plea and backing out of his plea deal. And considering what we now know, that we have evidence of that pardon dangling, and that he was threatened by Trump's team,

and that it was Sullivan what really wanted to make sure we got the evidence of that pardon dangle for some reason and that you know that he'd be smart to take you know to to listen to doubt and then also you remember Flynn was texting Matt Gates to keep up keep up the good work Bash and Mueller and then send him a flag and an eagle gif that they bar was nominated so it could go either way I like most of the time I I'd be like, he's just, it's too expensive as lawyers. He's just doing the sensing.

But like all this evidence and the fact that Flint or that Sullivan wanted us to hear the voicemail of the dangle pardon and like, it makes me think maybe he's thinking of withdrawing his guilty play. Yeah. Sullivan would know that. They would have had sidebar conversations

or, you know, in camera discussions or whatever the fuck you call them. Right, right. What his lawyers are gonna do or are doing? Right, or what they're thinking of doing. Or like, he would know. But backing out of his plea deal now would seem really stupid,

unless he's promised a full pardon and maybe his son too. Because I think his plea deal, you remember our first episode, I was like, okay, guys, if Flynn goes down and his son doesn't go down, then that means Flynn's making a deal. And like I predicted that whole thing. Right.

And we talked about that and Flynn's son didn't go down. So I was like, he's made a deal, he's making a deal. And it wasn't until the end of the year, we found out that he actually signed his plea agreement after he pulled out of the joint defense. Yep. Those were the days. Episode one, check it out.

You can get a chance. Sorry about the sound quality. Also this week, after all the work, to get the New York bill passed, allowing the state New York state to hand over Trump's taxes to the House Ways and Means Committee, turns out Richard Neal doesn't want him. He's like, Nah, brah. And Jolie, so you're going to go over that story for us later in the show. Yeah.

And then we have some news about the Senate Intelligence Committee, where Chairman Burr has summoned Walter Soriano for a voluntary closed-door interview and documents with various Russia probe figures. On April 5th, they sent a letter to the British Security Consultant, the Senate Intel Committee, to this guy Soriano, asking for his testimony, the letter obtained by Politico gives us another tiny clue into the Senate Intel Committee's probe into what role Israel may have played in the 2016 election interference.

So if this guy's British, how does it give us insight into Israel's involvement? Well, aside from asking for his communications with Flynn and Manafort and his connections to Olegg Darapaska, they asked this guy, Soriano, for documents related to his communications with Cygroup, Wiki Strat, and Black Cube. Those are three, the big three Israel firms for social media manipulation. Yeah, sounds like hip-hop like rapper names. It does. Cygroup, Wiki Strat, and like hip-hop like rapper names. It does.

Yeah. Cygric, wiki strat, and black cube. And then the fist. Yeah. And then they want to know about any contact he had with Orbus, which is the spy for hire company started by dossier author Christopher Steele. So he's involved pretty much in everything. And I don't even know, we've never heard of this guy.

I searched him in our database of scripts. Never once come up. Whoa. He wasn't in the minority report from Adam Schiff, which is where we basically what we created our fantasy indictment draft from. Yeah. And like we go back there and we're like he was on there. Like we usually see people on there. He's not in that. A genuine random. He's a total random. And we know him now. So you can't he's in the one count as a random if he's indicted guys. This is the official if sorry on yeah, yeah, you need to pick them by name And they also orbist that that drew so like do you guys remember fusion GPS and Glenn Simpson? And he testified and that's the one who hired

Steel to get the dossier right and then we have orbist is kind of steals Fusion GPS. It's like a spy for higher private investigator dirt on political politics and companies and stuff like that, like Prevazon, but that was Fusion GPS, but that was Steel. So he's involved in that. And if you remember, Side Group was headed up by Joel Zamol.

He's the guy that Kitty porn George Nader paid over $2 million to do, to have, you know, for something we don't know. Other than he gave him a PowerPoint on how to interfere in the election. Have we checked the Venmo? Do we know what it said? It's like $2 million for the stuff.

Should have made that private quote. Well, you know Jesus, right? Yeah. Yeah, just for election interference. Right. Slide deck. That's the actual interference. Exactly. In American flag and then like a little circle with an accent. Slide deck. Oh, the actual interference. Exactly.

In American flag and then like a little circle with an X in it. And then an Eagle GIF that totally. Flynn says. Oh my gosh. OK, so he paid $2 million to Trump within the week after he won his election. And even Trump and friends say they never hired them, which is so funny.

So sorry, I know himself is virtually a ghost. Like I said, we've never heard of him. We've never written a word about him. All we know is he's a British security consultant and he's affiliated with a London security firm called USG Security Limited. I want to know my beans. Here's my beans. We're just now getting more news on Nader, right? Because he came back in the country, got arrested. And in my hot note today, I'll be talking about new information on ongoing probes referred from the Mueller investigation about the UAE, Zamo, and Saudi Arabia,

all part of the Six Nation Grand Bargain, struck by Trump, Russia, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Egypt, and Israel. And Flynn is now heavily involved in this, and we know Bijan Kean, Flynn's business partner's trial is coming up next month, and I'm wondering if some of the discovery from that trial isn't leaking out, and we're getting to know these things. And I feel like either way we'll know a lot more at the end of the summer.

Yeah, that's terrifying how big this likely really is. And speaking of Flynn and guys like Ted Malik, the secret subpoena battle over documents from the company from Country A is back in the news, right? This is the subpoena fight that's been going on for like a year. More than that actually we found out today, the DC Circuit Court of Appeals ordered the release of certain sealed documents in this mysterious legal battle between Company A and Mueller by June 21st. The three-judge panel rejected the request to release the name of the company, however. I had seen some of the documents and thought the council had mentioned it was a bank, but that was incorrect. It turns out they were just citing case law, so that doesn't mean it's a bank.

It could be, but my money is still on the cutter investment authority. We did learn this week that SCOTUS rejected the company's request to consider its appeal in March. SCOTUS turned them down. Beans on that we had. Beans come true. We also learned that Judge Barrel House stopped finding the company for contempt back in February.

Or yeah, after it no well she started to talk about it after it complied with the subpoena they handed over about a thousand pages of documents to Mueller night so they stopped charging them fifty thousand dollars a day yes but the case dragged out until April because Mueller noticed a suspicious gap in the records like we got nothing from this date to this date so they kept finding them and the judge finally decided they were no longer in contempt on April 17th But as they got closer to that date they were finding them up to $300,000 a day They oh my goodness. We're missing a good chunk and barrel house like yeah, this is suspicious

$300,000 a day till you hand it over and then do it Yeah, and while we might not get the name of the company we got some more clues So the company handed over the documents in two parts, 950 pages, many of which had to be translated into English. So we know English isn't the official or primary business language of this company. Oh damn. Good detective work. I would have went over my head. Another clue is that the defense attorney seemed to argue that the records might not be complete when they were like, we're missing this gap.

The lawyer for the company argued that because it's a fledgling company, like, Bezos and Steve Jobs and Wozniak, they all started their billion-dollar businesses and grogges. So it's not so strange to think about it in those terms. That was their argument for not handing over that chunk of documents. Interesting. Muller was not satisfied with that argument and contempt finds, like I said, reached as high as 300,000 per day in April, but the company kept insisting it had handed over everything and eventually the judge lifted the contempt order. It's still unclear if the April 17th court order

resolving the case that came it came one day before bar released the Muller report. What? And so I'm wondering if she resolved it and took the contempt finds away because the Muller investigation was going away. Damn. Another huge clue for us is releasing the documents this week when a lawyer said he thought he was going to have until March 28th to file her response. But since the timeline got cut short, they wanted to make sure the judge didn't think they were just throwing things in last minute. So this lawyer said, we had, we thought we had to a 28, March 22nd is when Mueller closed up shop. So this

is another clue that it was shut down. It was shut down, surely. So I find it interesting that the prosecution in this case was caught off guard by this resolution of the, by the end of the Mueller investigation. And this case began, we learned this before Mueller took, before Mueller was appointed, this case began because we learned this before Mueller took, before Mueller was appointed, this case began. Because according to the documents, it was originally handled by Faroukie in the DC-US

Attorney's office, who then handed it off to Zainab Ahmad, who then handed it back to Faroukie when the Mueller probe was shut down. Like Hopetail. Yeah. And that both Faroukie and Zainab handled handled the case confirms to me that the secret company is a golf state company because these are both fluent Arab speakers. There's specialties, yeah, yeah.

Wow, I love the idea of a subpoena fight too, because I think of a food fight. Just like throwing subpoenas everywhere, it's crazy. Chaos. So fights are funny. The one from Cheers is my favorite. Oh, I gotta see that. Oh, back in the day.

Many of these documents, guys, released Friday are really heavily redacted, but the prosecution says it's very much a live issue that requires a great deal of resources, time and attention by the government. They said this back in March, which is why we believe the subpoena is still, in fact, a live controversy that requires contempt because it goes to the core of this investigation. And Faroukie handed it off to Mueller because it went to the core of the Russia probe, but it's probably a golf state company Wow, which is what Mueller's team told the judge that they said this back in March like I said He also said the issues in this investigation have not nor are in any way close to being resolved

When Mueller closed up shop he referred to case back to the DC US attorney's office like I said And that's where it the same Prosecutor that had it before they handed off to the Mueller investigation got it back like, oh, fucking great, you couldn't figure this out. Yeah. He's probably like, I tried. He shows down.

You know, or she, so I didn't get to go home. Zineb Ahmad is on me. A couple of last minute news stories unrelated to Mueller, but still very important and some are funny. We reported earlier in the week during one of our daily beans episodes that Trump State Department was denying requests from US embassies to fly the Pride flag this month. Of course during Obama's administration Obama granted a blanket approval for all embassies

to fly Pride flag during June. Yeah, but you're a freak flag for everyone. But Trump ended it. He ended that so you have to ask me individually. But the good news here, we learned Saturday that many of the embassies are flying the flag anyhow, even though they were rejected. Diplomatic missions in Seoul, South Korea, Chennai, India, the embassy in New Delhi, Santiago Chilli, the US mission in Nepal, Berlin, and more shared photos proudly displaying their rainbow flag on social media.

Yay. It's a big FU, a rainbow fuck you. Yes, the best kind. It is, right? Double rainbow, double fuck you. For Tosh is being extradited to the US in July for his 2008 bribery crimes in India He's a frontman for a mogul avic he is wrapped up in the Russian investigation too He also faces racketeering charges in Chicago. I don't know if he's gonna face those charges when he's extradited to the US But he's coming in July that almost sounded like a pitch for a concert like he's the frontman Racking up this stuff coming in july

Yeah, who the fuck like he's the front man, racking up this stuff, coming in July. Yeah. Pooh, mother fucker. Pussy Riot's opening up. He's a teacher. I guess they're well. Yeah, loop the two torts. It's finally coming together. Ooh, okay. Lawyers for the Noah's Ark Theme Park

are suing its insurance company for rain damage. There's a Noah's Ark Theme Park. The company is suing to recoup a million dollars in repairs after 2017 dropped 40 inches of rain on Northern Kentucky. Didn't they read this in the book? They didn't see this coming? Should it prepare for that? Get your insurance for that kind of thing?

I think the actual flood, which wasn't real, but I'm sure it was more than 40 inches of rain. We're all pretty semi-theists around these parts, right? I just think it's an interesting story because global warming could be the next flood. Yeah, it's so funny. I just love rain damage, Noah's Ark. Yeah, sometimes calm you just write it so. They're like, I'm not Noah.

Aren't there, isn't there something about not worshiping or emulating false idols? Oh, yeah. What did Jesus Christ Superstar, yeah? Yeah, it doesn't matter. Yeah, I don't know. None of it matters. No.

Impersonating as Noah, that's got to be some biblical crime. Yeah, like impersonating that business evening, right? Yeah, we're in the theme park where that Jesus guy re-enacts the crucifixion every hour. That's right. Around the clock, yeah. But I like the God that was on our show, so I'm like, I'm a little biased. I think that guy's a closet at atheist, though. That's so funny, I think so too.

God is a closet at atheist. The God we had. And then the friendly atheists is probably secretly religious. I like that. We'll find out in the interview I asked the hard-hitting questions. Yes, you heard it here first guys. And my Matt Gaetz brings all the boys to the yard. This week as Florida rep Matt Gaetz was milkshaked.

I think is a new verb. Beautiful. That's a thing that goes on in Britain. I think they started it. You throw milkshakes at political people. You hate? Yeah, yeah. It's like glitter bombing, but like way messier. Yeah. Yeah. Gates took a milkshake. Yeah. One of his unsuccessful opponents in his race. Yeah. The Democratic candidate that dropped out before the election even happened. She did it. I want to know. Like a party with like little themed foods like the milkshakes and like

cofife, like I gotta think it's a really nice. But when we do Mullercon, we'll have milkshakes. Yeah. Oh, I think that could be dangerous. But when we do Mullercon, we'll have milkshakes. Yeah. Oh, that could be the first one. But we'll drink them. No, we'll just drink them. We'll have milkshakes in a room with covered in plastic. Yeah, yeah, no one's throwing.

And we'll have pictures of like instead of targets, like first gun shooting, we'll have targets, but it'll be Matt Gaetz and Nunez and Roarabacher. Like a food fighter. Like a food fighter. There's the peanut fight. Yeah, yeah. The milkshake booth, we're gonna make it happen. Mullercon is real.

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Ways and Means Committee not asking for Trump state tax returns. Yeah, very weird. So this week, we learned that the House Ways and Means Committee chair rep Richard Neal, is not too happy about enforcing a brand new state law in New York that allows the government to seize Trump's tax returns. The law was passed last month, and it allows the state to hand over any tax-file-ers' tax returns to the head of Congress's Ways and Means Committee, in this case, Neal.

And I will give him credit, though. He did request Trump's tax returns from Minichin, Minichinic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- munic- but that's just how the government works. We talk about that all the time on the show. So I'm surprised that that's his reason for not wanting to do it. He says that it'll be like tied up in the courts for years and years, so he doesn't want to go that route, but that's his job, you know? Yeah, so I don't know. I feel like he's just trying to let them get away with it

because he has ADHD or something. And it's like he can't even have the patience to get through the court trials. Honestly, I think what is really happening here, or like, these are just beans too, but because we can't really know what's in his heart. But I think when he, if he ditched his manuchin and IRS, redig, subpoena for Trump's federal tax returns,

by just circumventing the whole thing and getting a state tax returns, yeah, it would seem political. And he wants to keep his argument of having a solid legislative purpose intact so that when it does go to court, it won't take years. Okay, that's better because I was just convinced that he was one of those guys is like, I don't, I mean, it's still politically their way, I guess, yeah, but I was worried that he

was just trying to stay out of any of the battles, like just trying to avoid conflict and that pissed me off, but this is better. And I shouldn't insinuate that that is, it would take years because if he didn't have that argument, it actually shouldn't, it would be, he it would take years because if he didn't have that argument it actually shouldn't it would be he could like I said he could walk up and say uh I hate his fat face and that's why I want his taxes right the the courts not allowed to consider that and it should take just as long whether he does that or not but I think it's political appearances that he's worried about totally and he's worried about the battle with the Treasury

department themselves like he knows Trump will push back and it seems like he's just trying to at least in this article it seems like he's trying to avoid that battle maybe the party way he's still yeah he's already in the thick of one right now yeah yeah yeah answered that's a good point and to take state taxes and then sort of fold on the other conflict that he's right in the middle of I think does sort of look a little bit weak on his end too yeah especially since he's saying the reason he wants to see him is because he wants to assess the effectiveness of the IRS's program to audit annually, the president and vice presidential

taxes. And the IRS does not audit state taxes. So then what do you want those for? He doesn't have to have a reason. He doesn't have to have a reason. So just to let you know, then it then the witch hunt thing could become more real. I'm like, fuck it. They're going to say it's a witch hunt, no matter what, but it then the witch hunt thing could become more real. I'm like fuck it They're gonna say it's a witch hunt no matter what blow him up and get all the taxes I'm talking about fuck right totally that's what I think but he's just taking it that this is the Pelosi way totally Which is step by step ironclad case don't blow your load

Whatever, yeah, which is why I get there in that job. Yeah. Yeah, I also think that state courts should be the ones responsible for overseeing those sorts of crimes, state tax crimes and the fits. Yeah, and maybe they'll pass a lot of it in New York that says we're gonna audit the presidential taxes, state taxes every year, and then they do it, and then they can come out with it, or maybe Tish James will get them somehow for some investigation she's doing,

but the law doesn't say that she can get them, it's only the Houseways and Means Committee, the Joint Finance Committee, and the Subcommittee on Taxation. Yeah, yeah. All right. Well, thank you for that information, I'm mad that he won't take them, but we're not mad. Same.

Whatever. Pussy. Pussy up. Oh, yeah, Pussy up. He's a little ball sack. That's right. Yeah. So a little ball sack.

Scrooed. It's like it's a scrooat. All right. Cool. Jordan, what do you have for us on the Louvre the Truth Guy? Yeah, so Giuliani is probably going to start getting looked into by the congressional Democrats. Yeah, it's talk is a brewin. There's nothing legitimate yet that has anything on paper.

But the probe is probably going to look into all of his overseas consulting and political work specifically with Ukraine. I think that's mostly on people's minds, especially after the news of him trying to get dirt on Joe Biden recently from a foreign government or foreign entity. And I think that they just really, I just can't believe that he, that's a different story, but why the fuck would you go back to the country that arguably is the origin of your former campaign managers like I think he was summoned by someone or he's trying to smooth thing over I think that was his Russia if you're listening I hope you have the 30,000 emails I think that was

his that yeah totally invitation for the Ukraine not sorry Ukraine to interfere in our elections yeah well and then he pulled back when everyone was like whoa buddy probably shouldn't go there. That looks real bad. Can't unring the bell, though. Did he, did he, he did what he set out to do. It's done. Yeah, and he's done this before too,

in so many ways. I feel like that's just kind of his move, right? Yeah. He just pushes the boundaries and he's like, oh, I'll just moonwalk away, but you already know. Yeah. Well, he wants, he wants dirt from that country specifically, because it houses a company that his son works at,

that effectively got let off the hook and people are trying to investigate him if there was any sort of like you know agreement between him and maybe a foreign company but every every other statement that's come out on that case is just like there was no wrongdoing there but then again that's what everyone says so who knows but either either way Giuliani is also being a complete douchebag about this in response. Obviously, uh, Daily Beast was the one that did this reporting. And so he gave a statement to the Daily Beast. And he said, if they want to come after me, I gladly accept it because we could just make the Biden stuff bigger news. Do it. Give me a chance to give a couple speeches about it and hold a press conference. I'd love that.

I think it'd be a fun fight. I'll just compare it to all the things they're not investigating. If they want, we can have a big fight over this. So that's his attitude about this impending investigation and what a turd. Yeah, total turd. And then they're also looking into his relationships with Armenia and Romania, which is interesting because we haven't heard that yet explicitly. Really, DailyBee has reported that Giuliani sent a letter to Romanian President Class Io Hannes in August 2018. I have no idea if it's the last name right. Recommending, the letter was recommending changes to the country's anti-corruption program,

but the contes of the letter diverged from the official State Department's stance on the issue. So he was paid for writing that letter by Global Consulting firm. And then in 2018, Giuliani apparently appeared in Armenia and he was invited there by an Armenia businessman who lives in Russia. And he spoke in a conference alongside a sanctioned Russian official. George from the Comedy Palace. The guy who runs one of our premier comedy clubs is awesome.

There's a couple of sketchy things to look into. That's at least three countries right there that they have leads on potentially. I am thinking he could be a fantasy indictment pick, Giuliani. I wonder what that is that they'd have to... This is a congressional investigation. They have to do a criminal referral to the Department of Justice, which is run by a bar. Yeah, and also I was just thinking it's not unrelated. Would you count that as a molar investigation thing? Yeah, I would because he was he was Trump's molar lawyer. It is a fantasy league.

You got a boom. Yeah, there you go. All right, thank you so much for that story. Fuck you Rudy. Let's see, last year, guys, during the 2018 Mueller Paloza finale, our end of the year show, we had like 17 guests on and they all told us what they thought the story of the year was. And our most important, prescient guests, like Seth Abramson were on there. And he said between him and us, we could probably run

the fantasy indictment league, first of all, for the next five years in die rich before anyone nabbed us for racketeering. But this week the New York Times published we he thought the August 3rd meeting with Xamol it Trump Tower was the most explosive story happened in 2017 but it was the biggest I remember now is like that's an interesting pick at the time. Yeah. Well this week New York Times published what could be the biggest news since the Mueller report and I thought it important to discuss it. It's the story that he tells that that Seth Abramson tells but they also drop some interesting news in this story.

It's buried way deep in it that these are certain ongoing investigations that sprung from the Mueller report. We kind of know what's behind some of those redacted bars in Appendix D. The name of this article is, the most powerful Arab ruler isn't MBS, it's MbZ, who we call Ibiza. And first of all, I love that the New York Times is walking around thinking that we're all holding rallies for MBS being the most powerful Arab ruler Though that title might have been in response to Trump because he pretty much sucks the chrome off of MBS's trailer hitch on the monthly if you know it I mean so true

Just this week we learned Trump secretly approved two nuclear deals to Saudi Arabia after Jamal Kashoggi's death Which is now outraging Congress even Republicans even though we reported on this month ago, but cool story, bro, Congress. And then yesterday, we find out Trump signed a deal the day before Memorial Day that circumvented Congress to sell $8 billion in new weapons to Saudi Arabia and the United Air of Emirates, the 9-11 people. So if you all think that MBS is the head of the universe over there, I wouldn't blame you, but according to this new article, it's Inbisa. So we know now that investigators are seriously

looking into the campaign context of Israeli social media groups, including side group, Black, Cuban, Wiki, Strat. And that's based on at least one story. We told you about involving the Senate Intel Committee summons of that Soriano guy, the mysterious London security dude that we've never heard of. And it is interesting that the Inbisa story

dropped the same week along with Nader's arrest. And I said that a little bit earlier, but this week we learned that prosecutors are still investigating whether another top GOP donor whose security company worked for MbZ should have legally registered as a for-it agent. And that guy is Broidy. So that is one of the ongoing investigations, Broidy. So write these down for your fantasy indictment draft. Broidy, Nader, Inbisa, and anyone connected to Cy Group, Wiki Strat, or Black Cube, including Joel Zamol. Ongoing open investigation. When the New York Times has implied, there's a fourth post-molar investigation that is open and ongoing because there's a mention of it in the article and it references the special counsel, and myself and many others have held off on calling it

official yet, but there are details according to Seth Abramson, author of Proof of Collusion and Proof of Conspiracy, so check him out on Twitter. Quote, prosecutors also questioned Rashid Al-Malik, an Emirati real estate developer close to Imbeza, the head of the Emirati Intelligence. Mr. Al-Malik is also close to Mr. Trump's friend Tom Barich, and investigators are asking whether Al-Malik was part of an illegal influence scheme according to two people familiar with the matter. So that's another one, Amalik and Tom Barich. That's another. We know that Amalik had pre-election contact with Tom Barich and probably Manafort since it was Barach or Barich who recommended Manafort to Trump and the

letter. We've all read that. And we know from our previous reporting, it wasn't just Russia that was involved in pre-election crimes, though that was the narrow scope for Mueller's investigation, as detailed and, you know, scoped, I guess, by Rod Rosenstein, and probably the White House. But these pre-election conspiracies and aiding in a betting, you have to always include aiding in a betting, dealt with multiple nations. And here are the basics, which we've discussed before, So I'm going to go over them kind of quickly. Six nations were part of a grand bargain, including Russia, which is the narrow tip of the iceberg that Mueller probed. Thanks, pal. But there's also Israel, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain, and Egypt.

Three of these countries infiltrated deep into Trumpville, including Russia, Israel, and the UAE. Now get out of your pencils again for fantasy indictment draft. The Russia infiltration was through Demetri Simes. The UAE was through Al Otaiba or Otaiba, Otaiba, IBA. And Israel was through Kushner, Groner and Bernbaum. Okay, so remember those names. And of course there are a zillion other players, but those are the tip top guys, right? Like Zammels in there and Nader, for example, for Israel and the UAE, multiple other figures in Russia, of course. But the plan was that the US would drop all sanctions on Russia. Russia agrees to withdraw support for Iran, clearing away for the new Arab-Israeli alliance, to remake the Middle East, via Kushner,

Tillerson, and Rick Gerson. And of course, the sharing of nuclear secrets and uranium with Saudi Arabia, so that they can develop a bomb and host of other side deals like the aluminum plant and Kentucky via Darapaska lifting sanctions on him. But those are really just red herrings. The main thrust is the Russia sanctions and the Middle East Martial Plan, which we can now pretty much include dropping Russian sanctions as part of. Imagine for a second the deal with Russia is a side gig. Jeez Louise. Yeah, so this is the Middle East Martial Plan. We talked about it in episode 6. And I remember saying, what if this is what it's all about? It's like world domination.

I was right. Some Dr. Evil should. Yeah, it's really gross. One million dollars. And we know from the Mueller report, Russia started operations in 2014 with the GRU and the IRA because both Russia and the UAE, new Trump was going to run for president by 2013. Don't forget the head of the GRU, right in that memo,

in 2014 about their new cyber warfare, we read it in Russian roulette. And then the Miss Universe pageant happened in 2013, dangling, Moscow, towers started in 2014, 2013, and making inroads with Flynn and Carter Page, all that should happen back then. The conspirators, Simes Bernbamano Tyba, along with the Emirates,

spent their entire summer trying to access the Trumps through Kushner. That's why he shouldn't have a security clearance. And they were already conspiring with Simes and Otiba and Netanyahu by late spring. And then on August 3rd meeting happened with agents of Israel, Russia, the UAE, and Saudi Arabia, and Trump and Trump Jr. was the scorer of the century for these guys trying to make their grand bargain. Don Jr. and Stephen Miller were there in that meeting representing Trump and four nations offered

election assistance and junior said, hell yes. So this New York Times reporting, well very late is very important. There's nothing new here except now I'm stuck, except those, you know, what they found from sources about ongoing investigations. But I'm starting to tie together this grand bargain, the importance of NATO, which is why he was probably offered partial immunity, how Flynn and Kislyak conversations are being kept from us right now. The fact that NATO spent a lot of time in Prague and might have been the one they're paying off the Russian hacking hubs we just learned about a month ago, using Bitcoin probably, which is mentioned in the Mueller report, and we know one-third of his net worth is Bitcoin.

And perhaps it was managed by a mystery company from country A. I don't know these are super space beans guys that's all I got but there they are. That's amazing. I mean terrifying but amazing the way you lay it out. Yeah it's pretty scary. Yeah yeah if it's not global warming it's gonna be this that does it then by 20. Yeah I'll be done by 2050. Yeah yeah for sure. I'm just done in general. Are you guys ready for sabotage? Yes All right, so this week we found out just last Friday Miller testified and I thought he testified to Mueller's old grand jury Turns out Natasha Bertrands reporting Miller testified to a different grand jury turns out Natasha Bertrands reporting Miller testified to a different grand jury and he has

now handed over stuff all of his texts with Roger Stone and so we just got to really keep an eye on Miller and that is an opening ongoing investigation we know now from it's actually an OLC memo in the Department of Justice much like the one that says you can't and didn't die to sitting president that says a grand jury can't do work on a crime that's already been charged So this work that they're doing has to be for different crimes so They may or may not indict but keep Miller and Supersteading stone indictments in your back pocket. All right you guys ready for the fantasy indictment leak. Yes

I'm gonna be a dick. Oh, it is gonna be a Cig dick I'm gonna excited because I'm picking Super Seedings Stone indictments. Hell yeah. Oh, you're next. I would do that Sereno guy. Hell yeah. It's definitely Christian C, yeah, yeah, yeah. Do it, do it. Hell yeah. That was from Christian Cereano, the gown designer.

Oh, good point of being hot mess. I'm going to do Miller plea deal. Ooh, he's going to plea. I think so. No, actually, he's been such an asshole, but I'm going to hope he's going to do a plea deal. Now that ship seems to be more real, so I'm entirely new jury. All right, my turn, Sullivan, old stone associate,

old stone henchshed. Yeah, yeah, good. I will do my exploity. Oh, good one. I can't let go. Good one. I'm going to do Giuliani. Nice.

OK. That's a big one. Yeah. I would be with a lot of points. Staying on brand there. I'm going to go with Tony Podesta, the other Democrat that was lobbying along with Gregory Craig. That's smart. That is smart.

I will take Nader. Nice. I'm gonna do side group. Nice. Along those lines I'll do Zammel. I'll do Joe Zammel. Tight. M-B-Z. M-z and Bizzar. Oh yes nice

I'm gonna do Tom Burke I'm gonna do Malik okay, I'm a LLCH Malik okay, oh In that case I'll do amalique cuz I thought that was the one you're going for amalique. Yeah, yeah And I'll do cushioner Is that it? Cush I believe so yeah one two three four five we're good all right cool

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you get podcasts as well as YouTube. So two weeks ago on Mullershey Road, we spoke to God. So for equal time, joining us today is the editor of the friendlyatheist.com. He's's a YouTuber host of the forthcoming podcast about the Pledge of Allegiance and the separation of church and state. Please welcome the friendly atheist. Hammett Mata. Hammett, welcome to Mola Shiro. Hello. Thank you. We're so glad to have you and I have a couple questions for you. I'm really interested to get your point of view on a couple of things. Recently, Trump referred to the Mueller report as the Bible because it exonerates him and his family. He was specifically speaking about Trump Jr. at that point, which it does not, but many Trump supporters insist on going to battle over the Mueller report

when they haven't even read it. And so I tweeted a while back asking why it is that folks are willing to dig their heels in about something they haven't read. And what I got was a lot of responses saying, they do this with the Bible too. What is it about certain members of the GOP and defending things they haven't read?

What's that about? You know, there's something about taking a long complicated document that, it's one of those things. You love to say you have read it without actually doing the work of reading it. And because you don't read it, you can draw whatever conclusions you want from it. And you can rest assured that a lot of other people are just going to agree with whoever sounds the most confident. And so, you know, I would argue a lot of pastors

are very good at saying, whatever I'm about to say is right, and I have this book that justifies whatever it is I'm telling you, and you'll find plenty of pastors who say the exact opposite and do the exact same thing. And so I think the Mueller report functions very much in the same way where you could, I mean, you can't argue that it doesn't say no collusion or, you know, it obviously does say here's all the evidence we have, here's what it does.

But if you want to say that it exonerates you and you say it loudly and confidently and repeatedly, then there's a bunch of people who are gonna be like, well, I don't need to read it for myself because I have these people I trust who are telling me what it says, so we're good. Yeah, that's a really good point. And we did see that woman in Justin Amash, he's a GOP representative.

He's the one guy who's come out in favor of impeaching Trump. And there was a woman at his town hall who said, I was shocked. I had no idea there was anything bad about Trump in the Mueller report. And I think that just goes to that point. There is a wonderful YouTube video that came out a couple of years ago. And I think it was maybe in the Netherlands, but basically a couple of guys said they were doing some sort of man on the street interviews with random people and they basically took a Bible, put the cover of the Quran on it and they said

we want to read you some passages from this holy book and we wanted to know what you think and they were there were some pretty grotesque violent passages and they said wow what do, what do you think about that? And these people are all saying, wow, we need to ban the religion. We need to make sure people who believe in that religion are basically, we got to keep them out of government. We got to make sure their views are not spread. And it was, then they did the big reveal. And they're like, oh, by the way, this is the Bible. It's not whatever you thought it was and you see the reactions on their face.

And I think that woman you're talking about at the Amash town hall meeting, it was kind of the same thing where she has no idea what's in the document because she hasn't looked at it. And if anyone says, hey, did you know that, you know, the report said this or that Trump was quoted as saying this, it would come as a shock to her system. And not just her. She's, she's one person, but there's too many people where they'd be like, there's no way it says that in there. It's like, no, it totally does. It's on page 200, but it's in there. Yeah, I remember that video. It was pretty unsettling. You could do that with anything. It's a constant game. I know a lot of atheists play online, where

if I've seen this on Facebook, for example, where if you put a nice image of a woman in a meadow and a nice serene background, and you just put like Psalm 12, you know, 32, chapter 12, whatever it is, it'll sound good, it'll look good and people will spread it, but only a handful of people ever look up the verse and realize it's like smash your child against the rocks. Yep, that is true. So I think that that does play a long, a long way into it. Plus there's also confirmation bias. People, they don't want to hear facts that that might disagree with their feelings. Right. Right. And it's so much easier. Let's assume you're on the Trump side here. It's so much easier to say, well, he said it exonerates him and that there's no collusion and everyone on Fox seems to think the same thing. What's the alternative? Reading it for yourself and realizing they're wrong. That's a lot of cognitive dissonance that you don't want to have to deal with,

and it's so much easier to just say, I'm just going to take your word for it and continue living my life without realizing that I'm living a lie. That's true. It is a lot easier. And I think that that probably plays a large role in that. So you're a huge advocate of the separation of church and state from my understanding. And I was interested in your thoughts about this new wave of anti-choice bills, anti-abortion bills coming out of red states and how you feel about any like the chances of any of them being used to overturn Roe v Wade in this Supreme Court. First of all, do you think it'll make it there? And second of all, do you think that, you know, the fact that Trump has put Gorsuch and Kavanaugh on there, do you think it stands a chance?

You know, unfortunately, I don't have a lot of optimism that Kavana or Corsuch are going to do the thing that they're totally gonna do. Like, of course they are, that's why they have their jobs. It was an open secret, right? So yeah, I am worried that it's gonna get to them. I am afraid that they are going to find a way to, if not overturn Roe v. Wade, then make it all but toothless. And I'm fortunate.

I live in Illinois and also I'm a guy. This doesn't affect me as much. But I live in Illinois where we're passing legislation to protect a woman's right to choose. But what really bugs me about the anti-abortion stuff besides the fact that this is what they're trying to do is you have to go back to what is it that conservatives want so badly that they want to overturn Roe v. Wade. And I would think their answer is pretty straightforward. They want to stop people from having abortions. And the thing is we know exactly what that takes an online acquaintance of mine and someone who I know a lot of progressive Christians, especially admired Rachel Heldevins.

She passed away a couple of weeks ago and she caused a stir in the progressive Christian world because she said, and I'm paraphrasing her, she said, I am pro-life, I do want to reduce the number of abortions. That's why I'm planning to vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016 because her policies are going to reduce the number of abortions. Baning it isn't going to do the trick, but sex education will and contraception access will and better health care and child care will reduce the number of abortions. And so I would think if you're really opposed to the procedure itself, we know how to reduce the number and they're choosing the worst possible way to achieve their goal to the point where it may backfire. And so even to like the pro-life world,

it seems like all the things that are happening in state legislatures, these are the worst possible ways to win people over on your side, to reduce the number of abortions. And three, it could backfire in the sense that you may be by having no exceptions to the rule by making an arbitrary choice about when the ban can begin, you're making it really hard for those conservatives to say, yep, I'm totally down with this. This is legal. I mean, I think they're still going to do it. But what would they would have to write in that decision to say, somehow, this is all okay? You're making it really hard for them to write a ruling that will withstand more than

a couple of years before it's overturned. Yeah, total. And it's true. We have proof. We have hardcore evidence that making contraception available and educating folks reduces a number of abortions. So it just leads me to believe that the reason they're doing it is not to reduce abortions.

It's for something else. Yeah, it's to punish women. It's to punish the idea of sex. And again, the way their decisions, the state laws are being written, you're punishing sex within a marriage. If a woman decides she doesn't want to have a baby at that time or something like that. I mean, again, the solution they are proposing doesn't even solve the problem. Yeah, and it also flies in

the face of smaller government. Yeah, no kidding. It's clear to me, and I'm with you on this, that this is just a control thing. They don't like the fact that women have sex or something. I don't know, it's just some morality law which we should never have in the first place. So I want to switch gears here and ask you where you are because I want to get back to the Mueller stuff and the release of his report, what's going on in Congress right now. And I wanted to ask where you are in the impeachment argument because we learned today, Jerry Nadler, the chair of the House Judiciary Committee, is now in favor of an impeachment inquiry and trying to push Nancy Pelosi into backing him to open an impeachment hearing in his committee, the Judiciary Committee, which could bolster the legal grounds for

like their subpoenas, make it easier for them to get their materials and their evidence, but it would centralize all Trump investigations possibly into the Judiciary Committee, freeing up the other committees to, you know, pass legislation. So I was wondering where you stand on opening an impeachment inquiry given knowing that the Senate will probably never convict and remove him. I know the Senate will never do the right thing right now under Republican rule. So look, I am absolutely for the impeachment proceedings. This is something that I think Elizabeth Warren said this week during her town hall on MSNBC where she was saying, I believe she was saying, yes, of course we should get rid of the high-demandment.

And that may be a politically risky thing to say, but I think her response to that was, but it's the right thing to do. And so if you're Convicted and you're passionate about this thing and you're aiming in the right direction Regardless of what the political ramifications might be you're gonna find a surprising groundswell of support And I feel the same way about the impeachment thing I really don't buy the logic that starting impeachment proceedings or actually impeaching him in the house that these things are somehow going to backfire when it's when we've suffered through whatever

two to three years of non-stop insanity if anyone deserves to be impeached it's this guy. And so by all means start the proceedings, show the world, show the country anyway that like Democrats can have the judiciary focusing on the impeachment question while everyone else is doing work. I mean, how many bills are there that the House has already passed that are just sitting there waiting for Mitch McConnell to give it a green light. So you have to do it because it's the right thing to do because the country deserves that full investigation. It's bizarre to me that Pelosi would say, no, I don't know that we're ready for that. No, we've been ready for that for a long time.

And maybe there's some strategy that she has in mind, but I don't know what that strategy is. Yeah, I think it's just that whole myth that like like you said, they're worried that opening an impeachment inquiry will backfire on them politically, which there's no proof of that. What do they think is gonna happen if they don't open the inquiry? Like Trump's gonna just use that as well. They had nothing on me, so that's why they didn't do it.

They're gonna spin everything as a victory, and they're gonna spin everything as we victory and they're going to spin everything as we're the victims of a witch hunt. So why what's holding you back at this point? Because you could do a full investigation, come back and say, you know what, we did everything we could and we got nothing on this guy. Or you could come back and say, oh man, we have smoking guns left and right. a whole man, we have smoking guns left and right, and the Trump side is going to spin it the same way. So if you're worried about the backlash, it doesn't matter what you do. You're going to get backlash because they already are, they've already written the script. So at this point, what the only thing you're doing is withholding the truth or an investigation

of the truth, that is bizarre to me. It's the same thing that like I've heard people say certain democratic candidates like, well, we can't vote for Elizabeth Warren because well, they would go after her for X, Y, and Z. You could have the primary winner be a totally anonymous like cardboard cut out of an ideal democratic candidate. And that person's going to get ripped apart by the right because that's what they do. So this idea that we should avoid an investigation because it might lead to backlash, you could sit on your hands and you're going to get backlash. Yeah, that's a really good point. And then also another argument is that it'll divide the country. And you know what? More than going on Fox News to try to reach a different audience,

doing the investigation and saying, we did it, we did it the right way. This is what we found. I think if anything, you get a chance of getting at least some of those people who voted for Trump in 2016 to open their eyes and say, oh crap, I missed all of this like that lady. Maybe you get a chance of opening some of them up. And if you can convince a few of those people that, wow, we, we totally were on the wrong side about this stuff. Yeah, totally. And also, you know, that we have the argument, well, if we wait until after the election, and we were able to flip the Senate and he somehow gets reelected.

We'll have the Senate, but you still need two thirds to convict and remove after impeachment and we won't have that. I don't think there's a mathematical way to get two thirds of the Senate back in the next election. So that's moot. I mean, again, don't do it because you think the process will result in the end. It's the same. Look, Democrats, what was their HR one in this Congress?

It was that whole huge bill on election rights and protecting voting rights, right? For the whole country, they passed, it was a big freaking deal, and it's such, it's a good bill relative to what we have now. And they've done that over and over with a whole slew of didn't they just pass the the dreamer of the thing to protect the people under DACA. They're doing all that stuff because it sends a message that if you give us the power to pass this stuff in the Senate and the White House, look at what we have in store for you. No one's saying, well, Democrats should just sit down and do nothing and go home for the next couple of years until the election.

No, because by doing stuff, they're saying, this is the country we want to live in. So give us a little more power so we can actually make it happen. Same thing with the investigation here. Open up the impeachment proceedings. Do the work you need to do. Show them you take the impeachment hearings seriously because we've seen what happens when Republicans are in charge of some of these hearings. They're all a little show

trials, you know, and show people, look, this is what happens when you put responsible people in the room who take their job seriously. I don't know if you felt the same way, but I know I felt this way. When you see someone like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez go into any hearing, she does a really good job of preparing for whatever mundane thing she's supposed to ask questions about, and a number of Democrats do the same thing. They ask really good, hard-hating questions, and a lot of times those become stories in their own right. And I wasn't surprised by that because I understood what type of politicians they were.

They were serious about getting work done. And then you see people who ask questions on both sides, by the way, that are very chummy, that are just like, hi, how are you? Let's give you a softball question to just make you feel better and it's pointless. It's like, no, I want the people in there who are going to do the research and ask tough questions because those are the people who need to be in government. Yeah, and I really love your point there too, you know, where you're saying, look, a lot of these people against impeachment are saying, you know, there's no point in doing it.

We shouldn't impeach them because the Senate will never convict. That'll be or saying, you know, there's no point in doing it. We shouldn't impeach him because the Senate will never convict. That'll be like saying that would be like saying we shouldn't pass any bills then because the Senate's not going to vote on him. By the way, as someone who is an atheist activist online, I have a firm take on the God question. I don't know how many peat I'm never going to convince everybody. I don't think I'm going to convince like a ton of people that I'm necessarily right about the issue, but this is something I feel very strongly about, and I want to share my opinions on these issues, and by putting it out there, and I've heard this from bloggers and people on YouTube, anyone who takes a position on any issue, even one who opposes me. I think the response has always been the same, which is to say, yeah, I get plenty of backlash. There are always going to be people who react and

respond and don't like what I have to say. But we always get messages from people who say, I never thought about it that way. The listening to you convinced me that I was wrong. And or it got me thinking about this issue a little more closely. And this is down the line. Anyone who has done this for any length of time has almost certainly gotten a message like that because when you're confident and you know, you're right about this issue. Whatever that issue is, that is infectious in the best possible way and people need to see that and they need to hear that and sometimes if you could present it in a way that will connect with them. Yeah, they will come, they'll come on your side eventually and but you don't know how many people and you don't know when it's going to happen. So

all you can do is to say, I feel strongly about this. So let me make my case. Yeah, that's a good point. How many? I'm one of those people. I used to, you know, prior to the Mueller report coming out prior to the, you know, the Flynn voicemail, prior to the Flynn documents and his sentencing, my most being unredacted for the public view.

I, I was in the boat with Pelosi saying, nah, you know, unredacted for the public view. I was in the boat with Pelosi saying, nah, you know what, it could just be too politically risky. And, you know, we don't want to blow up the election. We have to get them out of office. And if 2020 as soon as we can do it, we can do it. Then that's what we should, that's what we need to do. But after speaking to many experts, many friends of mine, a lot of folks who I've had on the show

and after the Mueller report came out, of course, with the, you know, all the instances of obstruction of justice and I changed my mind. It is possible. It does happen with people once, you know, once they become more educated about a subject to change their mind. And so I think that that also, you're right, lends to the importance of just saying what we believe is to be true. And can you imagine what sort of reaction from progressives, from the people who are going to vote for Democrats in the freaking midterms? You know, like, what would the reaction be if they're saying,

well, we have all the information we need, but it's politically risky, so let's not touch it. It's like, the worst that why would I vote for you? You're not giving me incentive to work my butt off to get you elected and get everyone I know to vote for you. When, what are we gonna say? Well, we elected them and then they were like, well, it's never gonna work, so let's not do it.

It's like such an it's such me opposite from you know hope or Whatever slogan inspirational slogan you want to give it's just a well Let's throw our hands up in the air and surrender because well, we don't have all the power Like you can shape people's convictions. Yeah, and that was actually the turning point for me So so many people saying you know, I understand that you're worried about the implications of a failed impeachment, but you need to think hard about the implications of not impeaching or not even opening an inquiry and how that looks and what message that sends. And that is such an important thing.

Like, show me what you would do if we gave you even more power. Because again, if you're passing all these bills that are going to change the country for the better, like, wow, I want to do everything I can to make sure, at least in my community, we're electing as many progressives as possible. So, yeah, like do your job. Yeah, exactly. And then of course, you know, when we do these things like past the Dreamers Act and they don't get taken up in the Senate, that will affect the Republicans in the election.

And I think, you know, if you open an impeachment inquiry and it makes it to the Senate and they don't vote to convict, then they are going on the record as having that stance. Think about the political ads you get when you say, hey, my party passed this, this, this, and this. Their party refused to even consider it. I believe, if I heard right today, Wendy Davis said she's jumping in a congressional race in Texas, and obviously she's big on abortion rights, and she's up against one of the most conservative guys in Texas, whose biggest claim to fame in the past month is blocking the bill to help struggling

communities. After a natural disaster, I have no doubt knowing nothing about her campaign itself that, oh my God, those political ads write themselves because when you have a do nothing person in Congress, like, oh my God, it's so easy to just tell the country, tell your district, look at what happens when you elect this guy yeah it's a really good point and I think it's gonna make a big difference in 2020 not just the legislation but you know whether or not we open an impeachment inquiry so I really appreciate you coming on today uh hemment if you could tell everyone uh where they can find your upcoming podcast or where they can go to find, you know,

your stuff online. Sure. So my biggest thing I do is writing for FriendlyAtheist.com. Everything I do, you can find on there. And the podcast, which is all about this deep dive into the Pledge of Allegiance, will be coming out in a couple of months, but there'll be more information on that at Church State Separation Podcast.com, which will be up and running shortly. Great. That's so awesome. I really appreciate you coming on today. Thanks again. Thank you so much. Have a good one. It's nice to talk to you.

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