Jack - The Impeachment Region of France (feat Jennifer Cohn)

Episode Date: September 16, 2019

Join Mueller She Wrote for a Iive recording from The Triple Door theatre in Seattle with special guest Jennifer Cohn, writer and election security expert.

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Go to KettlebellKitchen.com and enter code MSW for $50 off your first two orders. So to be clear, Mr. Trump has no financial relationships with any Russian oligarchs. That's what he said. That's what I said. That's obviously what the opposition is. I'm not aware of any of those activities. I have been called a surrogate at a time, a tree, and that campaign, and I didn't have, and I have communications with the Russians.

What do I have to get involved with Putin for having nothing to do with Putin? I've never spoken to him. I don't know anything about a mother than he will respect me. Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. So, it is political. You're a communist. No, Mr. Green. Communism is just a red hailing.

Like all members of the oldest profession of a capitalist. And now to the most important, people are looking for me. I'm calling up the party, just calling it for me. Hi. Hello, how's it going? This is an incredible venue, and it's an incredible today. I've never been here before. Thank you guys for having us.

I really appreciate it. I just found out that the cocktails are named after episodes. You can get an Alabama knockers, which is when I take a sharpie and extend my boobs to include Alabama. And then there's a hoodie owls and googly eyes, which I think comes from my, what was it, my Christopher Walk and Impression? Wow!

You don't understand, there's a hoody owls. Googly eyes. You guys, I love it here. We got in, I get to the hotel, and the guys like, yeah, everything's cool, just walk everywhere, because GPS doesn't work downtown. Like, isn't this really invented Uber? How, I think, here I have it in my head that all the tech people who live here,

and you guys, like the people who live here, your GPS works. Yeah. R's doesn't, it's TPS, it's like tourist positioning system. And I thought, and they're like, well you know the buildings get in the way. Like you're the only fucking city with buildings. I don't get it, but other than that, everything is amazing. But yeah, the GPS, we tried to go to where were we? Vomit, no, And mayonnaise.

No. That. I haven't tried it yet, but I will. I promise. I will. When I'm sober, I will eat a Seattle dog. Don't. Oh, they say I have to be shit face. Okay, all right.

Deal. I did want to let you guys know that if you bought a VIP ticket and you didn't get to get a photo with us, I think there's probably about 15 of you, maybe 20 of you, stick around after and we'll get it done up there. Everyone else has to get the fuck out, but you can stay because we want to give you the VIP experience, which is me just, okay. So my husband used to work at a place called Dick's Last Resort when he was growing up, and well, you know, it was 20s.

And it's a place where they cut your neck tie off, if you wear one, or they put a hat on your head that says like you're a slut or something. And they make funny. And so what he did when the Super Bowl was in San Diego was he did this thing where he said, okay now you can get a beer or you can get a large beer which comes in a commemorative Super Bowl glass

or for an extra $5 I can give you the Super Bowl experience. And people bought it, and what they did basically was they brought out their beer, and then two guys would come out and dump a cooler of gatorade on them. So that's what I have in my head when I think of the VIP experience. I'm not going to dump anything on your head, but seriously, there's 15 of you or so stick around. So I'm your host, A.G. Cheers.

Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. And with me is always, our Jalisa Johnson and Jordan Coburn. I'm sad alone in a body martial. Don't really know she's acceptable. My throat up in the lumps of jazz. You don't know they can fuse all the passing behind us that she's up.

She's up. What song is this? We just like come out twerking every time. That should be the new y'all. I'll stay away from that one. OK. I'll cover you. Backstage Jordan was like, I wish we could,

because there's stairs. We have to come downstairs. She's like, when is it, well, we're going to have zip lines. And we could zip line in. Like that. And the entrance. Yeah, dude. Everyone starts in a cape.

That's great. I like it. I like it. You guys are so sexy. This isn't an amazing audience. Give it up for yourselves. Yeah. Yeah, this is beautiful.

This whole theater is so fancy, and I bought my pants at Marshall's. So nice. Nice. Give it up for Jordan's pants. Thank you. Thank you. Oh, thank you.

Oh, thank you. I'm sorry. Caprice. Caprice. Oh, thank you. I'm sorry, Caprice. Caprice. Oh, yeah. Now these were pants. My legs are just fucked up and long. What happened? I like how I was just thinking. You said the GPS, the guy was like, hey, the GPS is messed up. You should walk. Yeah. Still need GPS for walking. It took me like 10 extra minutes to get here, which is not that much, but I'm complaining about it anyway.

Also, when you're on foot, you can't run away nearly as fast if you're in danger, is when you're in a car. That guy, very late. Get the GPS situation together. Did you meet a dangerous person? No, everything was fine. Okay, that happened to me in Minneapolis. Somebody picked up my phone on accident, remember that guy?

Oh yeah. Super drunk guy at a bar picked up my phone on accident. I called my phone and he answers, he's like, hello. Hello. Like, yeah, you have my phone. He's like, no, oh, you have my phone. For context, this man was like too buff to even be wearing a shirt.

That's fair. Yeah, the two sexy for my shirts on was probably written by him. Yeah, he was like too buffed to even be wearing a shirt. And that's fair. Yeah, the two sexy for my shirt song was probably written by him. Yeah, he was so sexy. And he had a tan cowboy hat on just so you have the image of the phone with you in the story. So I say, where are you? He's like, I'm on 10th and 3rd. And I'm like, I don't have your phone.

He's like, you have my phone. I'm like, I don't have your phone. So then he hangs up. And I'm like, shit, I can feel my phone running away. I call him back and I'm like, you have my phone, he's like, no, you have my phone. I'm like, yes, yes, I have your phone. Where are you?

It's like, I'm on 10th and 3rd. I was like, I'll be right there. I run to 10th and 3rd. I walk as I'm walking up to him. I'm like, hey, you have my phone. He's like, you got my phone and I'm like, I go to digth and 3rd. I walk as I'm walking up to him. I'm like, hey, you have my phone. He's like, you got my phone? And I go to dig in my purse. Like, yeah, I got your phone right here.

Give me my phone real quick. Gives me my phone, and I just threw $20 out of it. I said, I don't have your phone. I'm sorry, and ran away. At least she gave him $20. That's admirable. You didn't know of anything. It's not enough to buy a phone, but it

will come for the cost of his new phone case. That's good enough. Yeah, that's nice. Friday's the 13th. How about those balls? Oh. Wait, I figure you want to talk about balls. Yeah, the husband, my thing, Lailie.

Yeah. Is it a Friday 13th reference? I was going to say, how do balls relate to Friday 13th? Did you like that sec way? It just went right to it. Oh nice. Well you know what? On the topic of Friday 13, like lottery balls?

Not a thing. Did anyone get like a Friday 13 tattoo? No, is that weird? Yeah, that's weird. You can't tell me how to get it though. They get it all the time. Just random little symbols. What was that?

60 bucks? Is that not good? That's how much I spend for my tattoos. Yeah, that's not really a deal. Yeah, yeah, not with you. I'm with you. Do your own tattoos, man. I'm fucking do-it-yourself, yeah.

D.I. won't have to get me today. I got one. Oh, you got that Mueller tattoo. Now I'm, oh yeah. Freight at 13. I got a ball Mueller. Yeah. Not weird at all.

I was like, who's that? I'm like, you don't even know. Yeah. No ragrats. Yeah, I love it. Got this one here. Hmm. That's the two.

The Obama, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I got that. The day he won the Iowa caucus. Oh nice. Oh, when he ate the like Iowa State Fair food, I saw those pictures. Yeah, because I figured as soon as he did, we knew it was either going to be a black man or a woman. Yeah. A major party ticket for the first time.

Yeah, he wants it. That's interesting. You had that caucus confidence. Yeah, you didn't get Hillary on the other wrist, like just- Yeah, that's just like a preemptive strike. I haven't had confidence since like that since then, so. Now I'm just gonna get the Democrat tattooed. No, it's not.

Yeah. Anyone else, 2020, yes. The Democrat 2020. Yeah, for sure. Wow, very nice, very nice. Also, a quick announcement, head to mcabedefense.org. If you want to donate to his legal defense fund, who knows what the fuck is happening with that shit, but there's some interesting news that came out about it.

We'll go over it in just a facts. So how about we do that? Why don't we bring out our other panelists? Thank you. Thank you. Today, to complete our panel, please welcome the new producer and executive assistant to the Mueller She Wrote team. She's worked for the UK Green Party. She's an immigrant.

She's married to my best friend, Joelle, who does our web design, and she's worked for Amnesty International, and she probably didn't want me to tell you any of that, but I did, ha ha, please welcome Amanda Reeder. I got four problems, though. Please, please, get us all in after God is so you could get with us. So my walk on music was my pasties on Broadway. And I just, I love that song. That's all. So I'd like to start out here.

First of all, how are you, Amanda? I'm well, so nice to see all of you. You look beautiful. Amanda's like our in-house fact checker now, which is really good. Very helpful. Very helpful. Make corrections segments shorter. But no. Wait, is somebody going to do research? Yeah.

If you ever hear anyone laughing in the background during any episode, that's me. Yes, yes. Yeah, and it's cool too, because like, you know how Maddo will do that. She'll say something funny. Like, oh, that shit went gone walkies and somebody in the back of you like, that one random person. Yeah, yeah.

It's Amanda. It's Amanda. It's Amanda. It's Amanda. That's you. I love it. And I'm seriously welcome to the team. Everybody let's welcome Amanda to the team. And speaking of how about we kick off the show with our favorite new segment

Corrections. It's time for me to say I'm sorry. Uh, Father Jeff. Shut the fuck up! Oh! Thank you. Um, this week, during the daily beans, it appeared as though Jordan had asked Jelisa why black women don't support Elizabeth Warren. Just jumping right into it, aren't we? Yes, yes.

And then I called every black person ever and we got to the bottom of it. Well, we talked about balls already, so we got a few emails wondering why we thought Jolisa could speak for all black women. We wanted everyone to know that Jordan asked me that question. You just couldn't see it because it's a podcast. Yeah, even worse, sorry, but Jelisa fielded the question and I wanted to bring this up because I think it's an important discussion to have. So sorry for any confusion that may have caused. Yes, my internal monologue was I was going to say what do you guys think? But then I thought guys is not woke. Don't say guys. And then I didn't say guys.

And then I just was like, OK, we'll just maintain eye contact with Allison. And then I was like, oh shit, people listening can't tell that's what I'm doing at all. And I know this is a suspicious amount of explanation. But I swear it's all true. I trust you, Jordan. We trust Jordan, right?

I know. And then you answer and I was like, clock, it's not going to come off well. Yeah, thank you. No problem. We've been told it's pronounced clo-bachar and not clo-bachar. OK, fine. Doesn't have a hard C age.

So thanks to Stephanie Machaud for that. Just kidding, it's Machaud. The Heidi hole that someone was hiding in the person in the Heidi hole was Saddam Hussein. Thanks Irene Aging for that and among others we got a lot of emails about that. Saddam was in the Heidi hole like trapdoor spider me. I watch a lot of David Attenborough. Sorry. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration is not known as NOAA. It's just NOAA.

Oh, thank you, BB, for that correction. BB, not BOO. These are their names. These aren't jokes. And we record the daily beans in the afternoon, and I often find myself asking questions on the show that then are immediately answered when I turn on Rachel Maddo. And this week we were wondering how on the hell Noah ended up under the Commerce Department because I felt like it should be part of the interior and as if she were listening But the show hadn't come out yet. We only recorded it. She explained it

She said Nixon was apparently furious at his interior secretary Wally Hickle Which is a great name Because he opposed the Vietnam War as all Wally Hickles should Because he opposed the Vietnam War as all Wally Hickels should. So as punishment, he gave the newly formed NOAA to the Commerce Department. Obama tried to move it back under the Interior in 2012, but that didn't go anywhere, so thanks to Rachel Maddo for that correction. Right? How petty! Like, I can't write my... I didn't know that presidents could like transcend pettiness through administrations. I didn't know it held up that long.

Yeah, that's impressive. Yeah, Nixon and Trump have a lot in common. Oh, really? Did you mention that Obama tried to have it moved back? Yeah, yeah. He tried, he really tried his best in so many areas. It's funny how I'm pretty good. Yeah, give it up for her tattoo, guys.

Give it up for Obama. I think the weird part is that I have to give the Black Powers the Loot to show it to people. I like that. It's a double positive. Pasalema Lakeham. So Jonathan Knowles pointed out that our apparent under appreciation of Dolf Lundgren is staggering. During our Power Balls episode, when I sang the 80s hit song I made up on the spot called Cold Warrior

by my new band Mumpsum is Rex. That's a group, yeah. Yeah, Cold Warrior. And it is, you were right. I got a couple of emails saying that sounds just like dream warriors from Nightmare on Elm Street, Part 3. Like, you're fucking right, it is. That's where I got it.

Same amount of syllables. Warrior, it worked. So we likened that song Cold Warrior I know, yeah. Same amount of syllables. Warrior? It worked. So we likened that song, Cold Warrior, to the theme, like some sort of montage from Rocky Four, when Rocky fights Ivan Drago, played by Dolph Lundgren. And we were wondering if he was dead. Is that it? Is that real life?

That was graceful. Rogue producers. He'll be doing that too. Like, don't we have that they might be giants on there somewhere? For some beans on it, what kind of beans? Do you have a soundboard back there? Yes. Hell yeah.

You've like burps and farting out. Everybody, Jason and our producer, hey. What's up? Hey. Wait, do you have the, the, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, on a button? Oh, the, the, the, the, the price is right, losing. Yeah, it seems like a conversation I should have with him

before the show. Maybe. Yeah, that's nice. Might be good. Well, anyway, Jonathan Noles wants us to know that Doth Lungren speaks Swedish and English fluently, as well as French, German, Italian, anyway, Jonathan Noles wants us to know that Doth Lungren speaks Swedish and English fluently as well as French, German, Italian, Japanese, and Spanish, and he has a degree in chemical engineering and was awarded a full-bright scholarship to MIT in

1983. Our apologies to Drago. He must break us. We get a lot of corrections about the pronunciation of Jelaine Maxwell. We are well aware it's pronounced Jelaine. We call her Jislan. Okay? Laughing at Jislan. On her face. To sing.

And those are corrections. Guys, if you have any corrections for us, don't hesitate to let us know by going to mullersherote.com, click on contact and select corrections. We'll get it right eventually. Thank you. Hey, it's A.G. from Mullersherote. Sticking to a weight loss plan is hard, especially when you don't have the tools to conquer the obstacles that hold you back from making progress. That's because most plans just tell you what

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I'm looking at an episode of SVU. Was that the soundboard? Yes! What's that? What's that? What's that? What's that? Was that the soundboard? Yes! What's that? What's that?

Alright, Julie is your first. Which Trump fixer has signaled? No, excuse me, signed a profit deal. Not signaled. He signed a profit deal with Sivance, the Manhattan District Attorney. That's a fucking essential question, Aegean. It's Michael Cohen, of course. Yes, it's fucking essential. Fucking essential.

That's right, Michael Cohen. In recent weeks, according to some sick ass sources, I call my sick ass sources, Cohen has been meeting with the Manhattan District Attorney and he signed a Proffer deal, bomb ass proffer, with prosecutors related to their investigation of the Trump organization falsifying business records. That's the story that came out. I tweeted, oh, he's signing a Proffer deal about the hush money payments. Somebody corrected me and said, this isn't about the hush money payments, it's about business records. And I said, dude, it's about the hush money payments. And the New York Times confirmed that. They relate to the hush money payments for Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal. We know from Cohen's testimony that Trump organization

called the reimbursement of Cohen legal fees, right, when he took out a HELOC on his house to pay off the porn star and the playmate and falsifying business documents is against the law in New York. So it's important to remember that the Manhattan DA is not bound by the Office of Legal Counsel memo that disallows indictment of a sitting president. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Fucking essential. I love it. Call me Tish. Dude. She needs her own podcast already, man. She's too busy, though, man.

She's got a podcast? No, she needs one. Oh. Yeah, she's deep in that paperwork, though. Shit. Yeah. You know, Trump's gonna call her unqualified. You aren't dealt.

You aren't dealt. Yeah, he's gonna call her low IQ. No, but- He definitely will. Yeah, she- Literally, like, he's met his match with dealt. Yeah, he's gonna call her low IQ. No, but- Yeah, she literally like, he's met his match with her. Yeah, right? She's the one. And us, all of us.

Sure, he's met his match. She's. We'll take him down one by one. All right. I'm ready. There's a, ooh. Do you see it? Yeah.

Mm-hmm. Oh, a fly, it's a Russian spy. Ah! It's a drone. All right, Jordan. This is an oddly worded question, but I like it. Which god damned hero could be indicted by Bill Barr's Justice Department for lacking candor?

Andrew McBabe. Yes. Andy McBabe is the correct answer. Sorry, Jill, you know I love you. A few weeks ago, we got a story from the New York Times that McCabe's lawyers had met with the US Attorney in DC Jesse Liu and the Deputy Attorney General Jeff Rosen, which led us to believe they were going to indict him.

Then yesterday, we learned from the Department of Justice, mind you, that the DOJ had authorized prosecutors to seek an indictment against McCabe. However, according to Spencer Hsu of The Washington Post, the disclosure to the media comes as a federal grand jury investigating McCabe was suddenly recalled this week after months like a months-long hiatus, but the panel left with no immediate signs of an indictment.

And that's a sign that they may have baled or otherwise required prosecutors to regroup. We reported August 26 that two prosecutors had already quit the case for how it was being handled, and I think they tried to push the indictment after it was announced that Komi would not be prosecuted for leaking his memos to the media. We should remember that Jesse Liu, the US attorney here, lost the prosecution against Democratic lobbyist Greg Craig for the same kind of charge, and I'm not sure why she's going along with this when there's no case in my opinion. No case. And it's interesting because we found out today, like breaking news at like 730, I got a text from,

oh, let's see, let's bring it up, shall we? This was a little weird. You got my phone. No, you got my phone. David Prius, guy he used to breathe from Mueller every day. Yeah, he's got that book, How to Get Written of a President. Yeah, it's a good secret book. So he wanted to make sure that I knew that there

was apparently a whistleblower who found urgent and crazy conduct at the IC in the intelligence community. And it didn't specify what in the intelligence community. But you're supposed to, as the DNI, director of national intelligence, who's acting now because Dan Cotes left August 15th, you're supposed to have 10 days to tell when the intelligence community inspector general

tells you about an urgent thing. You have 10 days to inform the intelligence committees in Congress, and this guy didn't do it. And now Adam Schiff is subpoenaing the information from the whistleblower from this guy, McGuire, who's the acting fuckface. Acting fuckface. That's such a good term for anyone

in the Trump administration right now. That's the name of this episode now. Acting fuckface. Acting fuckface. Right, down, right? Acting fuckface. Aside from the waste of taxpayer dollars to go through with that case though, if they go through with it though and then he's not convicted, that's a win, I think.

It is, it's a huge win. It's obviously a win, but it is it's obviously a win but it's like a it's a nonpartisan win as well whereas I never brought it in the first place right and I'm not saying that this whistleblower and the miss you know the the urgent fucked up shit at the in the intelligence community has to do with the McCabe indictment but I'm gonna put some beans on it. For some beans on it, what kind of beans? Thank you. Nice, nice.

Amanda, which ethics watchdog group's lawsuit against Donald Trump for a mulliamance violations was revived today? That was the citizens for responsible for responsibility in ethics or crew based in Washington. Yeah. That was on behalf of people who worked in the hospitality industry. So restaurant workers and hotel workers and other people who feel like they were unfairly impacted by the Trump organizations business with

governments and foreign governments. That's incredible. Crew is such a cool organization. I remember hearing about them when they were investigating police brutality in New York or something. I just think they're incredible. It's the second time I heard of them. They won their appeal. Oh, cool.

Hell yeah. They're awesome. And I really want, like, I'm thinking of maybe driving to Vermont and taking the bar exam Because you don't have to have a JD to get to take the bar exam in Vermont And then I was thinking about getting that you know bar exam and then trying to work for crew But maybe I should just go to law school and suck it up So yeah citizens for responsibility and ethics in Washington, they filed suit in January 2017. Richard Painter mentioned that suit.

Remember Richard Painter and peach the mother fucker? Remember that guy? I love that guy. A Republican, he says, I don't believe it. I mean, he's a Reagan Republican. Yeah, but now he talks like more radically left than he is. That's the liberal. He's a closeted liberal. Oh, but now he talks like more radically lift than that's the liberal. He's a closeted liberal. Yeah, he really is and it just comes out in bursts of like

impregnium. I am racing. Oh yeah, car yourself, whatever you want. He's got impeachment Tourettes. But yeah, this group of they represented this group of is just like you were saying Amanda they had lost foreign government customers to the Trump organization saying, Antimestic government. Yeah, it's saying Trump violated, yeah, but the monuments clauses for foreign government only, but yes, also to that, you know, because he has an unfair advantage, because he can offer favorable treatment on behalf of the government, which he has, and we know it.

Yeah. for favorable treatment on behalf of the government, which he has, and we know it. Yeah? Jaliza. What about you? Which, which, which, which crooked former national security adviser had a hearing this week, and which former Mueller prosecutor who now leads the Department of Justice's Farah Enforcement Unit, told the judge they may refile the government sentencing recommendation. Okay, when he said crooked national security advisor, I was like, they were like four of them, right? But I'm gonna go with the first one. Michael Flynn,

what is Michael Flynn? You're right. That is correct and God help us with blue dogs become the next national security advisor. He was seen canoodling with Trump at the White House over the weekend. They're inseparable. Yeah, it's a Mean Girls reference Right? Yes, I told you. It's when the match didn't go here. However many Mean Girls references I can get in. It's a good night It's a full moon. You never know

Sure is it a full moon? It is. Have you read your horoscope? It's intense, dude. It's a full moon, a harvest moon, and it's Friday the 13th and wow. Thank you. Oh. Yeah. It's spooky, and I like it.

Are there any vicious mother-fals? It was like when you did golf day at Disneyland. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that was my boyfriend and I were at Disneyland, and we didn't know it was golf day, so we were just walking around like All right, this is cool, but this is weird The haunted mansion line was like five hours long It was the best go gox

Yes, you are correct. It's Michael Flynn He appears to be attempting to blow up his plea agreement and probably he doesn't care because he thinks he's going to get a pardon. During the September 10th hearing, this week, Flynn's crackpot, Mueller conspiracy lawyer butt face told the judge they intend to prove Flynn's prosecution was tainted by egregious government misconduct. As we know, Flynn fired his legal team over the summer to which we immediately responded

that we thought he was going to withdraw his guilty plea. And people called me crazy. People called us crazy females, because clearly, we need to calm down. He was just switching out for less expensive lawyers, because sentencing was all he had left. You know, we should calm down, ladies. Well, then we learned the hired Sidney Powell, a Fox News contributor, Mueller Hader,

founder of Creeps on a Mission, asserting that Mueller and his angry Democrats are part of a coup. She popped up with them in coups, dude. I think it's like the chicken part is silent. They're secretly calling us chickens. Yeah, so the NRA is also mostly just waiting up here, but he's always obsessed with coos too. They are.

They always cry coos, dude. What's up with that? They want to grab the coos. Just the most insecure mother fuckers. Yeah, it's projection. I think they're the coos. They're the fucking chickens. Yeah, I'm a fucking coos. I agree the fucking chickens. Yeah, I fucked you.

I agree. Not you, Jordan. I love you. Here's how tired I am. I just touched my paper script to try to move this text down. So Sydney Powell is publicly, you know, she's in the past, she's publicly called for Flynn to change his plea and she's asked Trump to pardon him on several occasions. And now we've seen her Brady filing. And that's the, you know, the shit that she says, the government has exculpatory evidence

about my client and they haven't turned it over and it's classified. I need a clearance to read it. She's just fucking crazy. She lists 40 things that she wants. It's basically all of the underlying molar evidence and molar material, grand jury stuff, that no Congress can't even fucking get their hands on. She wants it. I think this is an attempt to prove the entire case against Flynn was politically

motivated. Even though this is, Flynn is not being charged with anything other than just, he lied to the F***ing FBI. He lied to the FBI. He talked to Kiss the Ack and he f***ing lied about it. That's pretty big. It is. But that's none of this.

You don't need a security clearance for the evidence that he f***ing lied to the FBI. You just need the 302s where he f***ing lied to the FBI. That's all you need. And she wants all this shit. And she calls it a scolpatory material. It needs to be handed over. I think she's in it for herself and Trump. I think she talked Flynn into withdrawing his guilty plea,

promising him a pardon. So she can get her hands on the underlying murder evidence. Yeah. We'll get over to Trump. They want to spin it. They want to spin it before we get it. I've seen a picture of her yet.

I think I've seen a picture of her. Have you seen it? Milk toast. Come. OK. I'm just curious. Wait, what was that? What was the first word?

Milk toast. Milk toast. That went over my head too. I was just like, I trust you, AJ. But what the fuck is milk? It's a metaphor. It's a metaphor, don't worry about it. Hopefully I'll get there someday. It just means bland, plain, ordinary.

I don't know. Yeah, I don't even mean like I want to make fun of her appearance. I'm just curious about who this fucking human being is that exists in this world, that is making this argument. That's, it blows my mind. Yeah, Google her face. I'm going to Google the fuck out of her face. You better believe Google alerts for her face.

I have a question that you may not know the answer to. Sorry. Awesome, I love it. If there's lawyers on the crowd that know you can just shout out the answer. Yeah. I just made an executive call on that. Give me a shout at it first though. I'm gonna take the bar exam and the mic.

When you withdraw a guilty plea, do you have to cross any threshold of having a good reason to do so with the court? The court has to approve it. Judge has to approve it. Am I right, lawyers? Yeah. OK.

OK. Yeah, I don't think you're over there. Fuck yeah. I don't think Sullivan's going to let that shit happen. I don't think he's going to. I still believe in the justice system. Or, you know what, I'll call it the legal system. There's not a whole lot of justice,

but I still believe in it for some reason. I have faith. It's working. It's just slow, A.M. It's really fucked, but, you know, it's better than what they want. And you know who I mean by that. Well, Felicity Hoffman got 14 days today.

And boy, I hope she can rebuild her life after that. Now, that's fucked up. Oh my God, thank you. Give it up for Jason Daz. For, teen days. Yeah, same as pop-a-dop. There is literally, there are people out there who are in jail for like over a decade for

Enrolling their kids in a different school district and I've been enrolled in a different school Jersey just to get to a better school are those people are those people white and rich by any time I'm as not white No, the people who are rich No, the people who are in jail for ten years. No, not at all But just the fact that that's a thing that they can do, it blows my mind. And then the fact that you can easily just not do it too. I'm like, then why the fuck did you do it to begin with? Like, this is, it's a legal system.

It's not a justice system. It's just, it's meant to be tweaked as they please. And it's like capitalism. It's like, with the highest bidder, it gets the win. Yeah, man. It's fucked. Yeah. Well, there are. Well there are white sentencing

guidelines and then POC sentencing. Exactly. Well that was it. And the judge actually said that to her. When she was doing her thing, she said she felt bad and everything. He gave her 14 days and he actually said to her, you'll be able to rebuild your life and put it back together after this. It reminds me, I know what she did is not as grotesque as what someone like maybe Brock Turner did, but the same idea of white privilege applies across the board, it seems, where you can get away with things that someone that was just a little darker than you could not. And that is like the only difference.

And it blows my, to this day, it still blows my mind. That's, they say things like, oh, you have a good family. Or I think you meant well. And if that applied to like African Americans or Mexican Americans or Native Americans or Asian Americans, then it would be a different country. We probably wouldn't even have a podcast. That was the case. We're so fucked. But thank you guys for coming out. Jalice, if a... And there's like a wealth threshold you have to cross to even commit those crimes.

Yeah, totally. Jalice, if it was... You have to have a fight go over 700 and... Yeah, they'd make you take a quiz. It's true, that's true. Alright, let's see here. What do we got? Oh Jordan? Which committee passed impeachment hearing rules on Thursday the House Judiciary Committee? Yes Yes, the House Judiciary passed new committee rules for impeachment hearings on Thursday and the House Dems tweeted

The House Judiciary is engaged in an investigation that will allow us to determine whether to recommend articles of impeachment. Some call this process an impeachment inquiry, some call it an impeachment investigation. There is no legal difference between these terms. We are all one. We are one.

They follow that up with, we are considering all Article I remedies to presidential misconduct, including articles of impeachment, and we were going to have a confetti cannon and a balloon drop and champagne, and we were going to toast, but the Department of Justice apparently says you can only call it impeachment if it comes from the impeachment region of France. They filed a 40-page brief with the federal court to claim that, sorry, 40 pages is not brief. I'm sorry. That's a point to point that out it is for law

There enough a 40 page brief. That's what they call the briefcase. Did you know that? My dad just can't porn in his briefcase. I didn't know what the fuck it was called a briefcase for yeah I thought it was just for like dirty men on the go. I just a brief, you know. I just a brief, you know. I just a brief, you know. I just a brief, you know. I just a brief, you know.

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that you can purchase and educate the people, hey, Jesus, this is very bad. Oh, man. Anyway, they filed a 40-page brief with federal court declaring the House Judiciary Committee's impeachment inquiry is not actually an impeachment inquiry. Matt Gates during the hearing said, I call this impeachment in drag

because you're dressing it up to be something it's not. No. That's what Matt fucking milkshake gate said. Wow. And the Department of Justice is attempting to block the release of the Mueller-Granjury materials. This is an unprecedented act, literally, it's never happened. And as the top law enforcement agency

is attempting to block Congress from carrying out their article one constitutional powers, the Department of Justice is attempting to seize the split-dem caucus and Pelosi's statements and cite them. The statements she made yesterday, as early as yesterday, saying the House was not even close to an impeachment inquiry. They also note that Nadler has said as recently as June that the committee was not conducting

an impeachment inquiry. And we have said that if the court decides, we've said this when we had Renato Marriottia, I think we were in Chicago. If the court decides not to hand over the grand jury materials on the recommendation of the Department of Justice, based on the allegations that they put in their brief. They're not so brief, brief. Then, NADLAR will have a reason to press Pelosi

and the rest of the caucus to move forward with an impeachment inquiry resolution. Woo! Woo! Amanda. We learned this week that the CIA had to organize a super sneaky operation to exfiltrate a spy in part because Trump is a dipshit.

It's always in part of him being a dipshit. Yeah, definitely. And he doesn't know how to handle classified intelligence. What country was that spy from? Could it be Russia? Let's see. I know it's a giveaway, right? No, Israel.

Not saying. Can it? No, it is real. Not saying. I'm can't edit it. No, just kidding. I just guess. Yeah, he was not most odd. But yes, so this guy, whose name we now know, who were we thinking it was?

Oh, we were wondering if it was Miffsood. Right. It's not. His name's been released. It's out there. I'm not going to say it, because. But it's not Igor, right? No. Is it Igor? It's a rando. It's a rando. OK but it's not Igor, right? No.

Is it Igor? It's a rando. Oh, it's a rando. Okay, it's a rando. Uh, so anyway, yeah, and this was nuts because the first report that came out on this said that the reason that they tried to get him out of there was because Trump had, you know, told Kisleyak in the Oval Office that, you know, the, the, about ISIS in Syria, which was Israeli intelligence, and he wasn't supposed

to do that. And everyone was like, fuck, we give it our our spy out of the Kremlin. And they went to apparently try to expel trade, and he's like, no, I'm cool. And they're like, all right, but apparently that first thing, then reporting came out correcting that, saying that that actually happened before. And he might just be aging out is what they call it, you know, for spies. I'm aging out of spy.

Aging out? Not necessarily like getting older, but because you know your cover is you can only maintain that kind of cover inside the crumbling. That's true. You can only be fresh for so long. For so long. Yeah, it's like, you know, eventually your jokes just sound rehearsed in my, you know, that's...

If you're on Facebook, you're not the best spy. That's fair. He's only been driving around like Valerie Plamen or new candidacy commercial, unnoticed for so long. Have you seen that video? It's freaking sick, dude. She's such a... Yeah, it's been asked.

It's cool. I'm told I have to say, I'm sorry. Cool. How do we feel about her? Okay. All right. Just one laugh. All right. Yeah.

We all know who she is now. Maybe that was like a thought process. Well, they're fucking nomin' out. They're run for Congress. Oh, and this was a fun story. We covered this on the beans yesterday it's not even in my script I just wanted to tell you about it because it's funny do you remember when because Julisa was on that show you remember when Trump said referred to that guy as his African-American I will never forget in my life hashtag never forget

that guy left were you gonna say it yeah he left the Republican he did he's running as an independent for Congress in 2020 I mean Trump shit what did you think when you read that headline what what crossed your mind when you read that headline that's fucking awesome cool I thought why the fuck did you support Trump to begin with I still I, I don't understand. I talk to black people, my fellow African Americans. I know I've talked to black independents or libertarians and they tell me they're like, oh yeah, but unemployment for black people is the lowest it's ever been. I'm like, bro, that's Obama. I'm sorry. I know that Trump is telling you that Obama did shit for us, but that was Obama, because we came into a recession. It's obviously I'm talking to white people right now,

but like, I just, I think it's so sad. With cream cheese on their hot dogs. You guys know, but like, no, this particular guy, he was very misinformed in terms of, Trump makes it seem like he takes credit for everything. Any of that? Well, I mean, honestly, there were a lot of people who voted for Trump who didn't realize or know that he didn't know about his racist past and the lady. Sure, learn about it and then you can say it a bunch of racist shit. What do you say now? Well, that he's left. He told him to fuck off. Exactly. And that's what everyone should fucking knew. If anyone stays with Trump right now,

they are the new Nazis. They are literally neo-Nazis. They're not just like apologists. They are Nazis. And do what you want with them. I don't fucking care. Like, get rid of them. I don't care.

I don't care. Well. Well? Yeah. Speaking of that. I'm not letting out. Hey everybody, it's A.G. And as you know, news and politics are my passion. And I spend about 60 hours a week steeped in the news about this corrupt administration.

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Yes. There isn't one. It's time to play the fantasy indictment league It's gonna be a You guys seeing phone went dick and Jane you guys watch that movie yeah, I like it. I thought it was cute. Yeah, it was a good mix. And it helps us not get sued by the NFL. Ha ha, very important. Because now we're doing parody. Ha ha. Ha ha.

That's Jim Terry. I can be totally wrong. I don't know if they asked me that on the bar exam. I would just throw it. They got bigger fish to fry. They're working with Jay-Z right now. They don't have time for us They have Antonio Brown to worry about right now. Oh sure You just pull a Donald Trump junior say you didn't know it wasn't okay. Oh, there you go

Yes, yes, I will I will I'll be like hey, I didn't know why do they call it minceras? Is it because like men use it the most That's stupid. I'm sorry. I'm done Latin jokes alright Jalice you get to go first this week. Oh This is for fantasy and diamond leak. Okay. I will I'm still betting on this. I hope it doesn't go away. Alan fucking Dershowitz Thank you Fuck that guy Don't literally fuck that guy Jesus Christ. That's the problem

He can keep his underwear on he'll keep us under war on but just The briefcase Where does Alan Dershowitz keep his underwear? I'm not a briefcase. Where does Alan Derserwoods keep his underwear? In briefcase. All right, sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, that briefcase.

I'm sorry, sorry, sorry. I'm sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. I'm sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, I feel it. I'm going with Nader. OK. Yeah, gross, gross fucker. Yep, yep. How fucking disgusting must you be to forget you have child porn on your phone?

You didn't forget, dude. You don't think you forgot? You think he just didn't forget, dude? What the fuck? It's probably a favorite folder. There's no way that he doesn't. He's the way you forget that. That is not okay. The favorite folder.

Isn't that what you're saying? Jaliza. I will take Trump victory. Dang it. It's so ironic. I'm betting there's something sketchy about it. What? Jordan.

Prometrist. Um, Jislin. Luffing the Jislin. Yeah. High way to hell. Prima-Tree. Um, Gis-Lane. Ha-ha-ha. Left in the Gis-Lane? Yeah. High way to hell, that's what I think. Every time. I'm gonna go with Pecker. If you guys don't know where that's from,

I used to be a movie called Pecker. And there used to be a thing called Movie Phone. Do you remember it? Hello! Thank you for calling movie phones. And I called it like a hundred times when Pecker came out just so he would, because he would go,

you've selected Pecker! Oh, man. On that same note of really gross stuff that's bound to come out, I will take Super seating for Brody, please. Brody? Brody? Brody? Brody?

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Brody? Brody? Brody? Brody? Brody? Brody? Brody? Brody? I wonder who I would you got broyton you got new nasa and they got mccay But who would you pick if you if you could choose I would pick a tro trodo I think yeah true does it's a good boyfriend a half yeah, who would you go with no one in the US? Anyone anyone I'm gonna say okay Because I'm a lot of us got him yeah

Because I'm a lot of you got him. Yeah. I only date men that I think I need to change. So, Trump. And for the record, I don't really date men guys. Sorry. Did you say Trump? Yeah. All right. Yeah, sure.

This is not going to be carried on past right now. No, I won't be carried one. Right? Cool. It's only in a net now. Cool. No, I bet that's your fantasy indictment pick. Oh, sorry.

No, I thought we were talking about who we run a date. OK. Um. LAUGHTER Still a bad choice, but please continue. Yeah, no, I'm telling everyone. Okay, sorry. All right, I'm going to do...

Trump inaugural. Good, good, good. And now, just consistency. Oh, you know it's in place. All right, I'm going to pick a guy named Andy Kajawa. Kajawa, ooh. He's a broody, Trump inaugural, cut-and-connected fuckface.

Yeah, how do you spell his last name? K-A-G. K-A. K-A-J, Jawa. Okay, I wasn't too far. Jawa? J-A-W. Jawa, walkie, I don't know.

Oh, you're writing them down to, oh cool. Oh, ooh. Ooh. That. I don't know. Oh, you're writing them down to you. Oh, cool. Oh. Oh. That. I'm getting whiffed up. I'm getting whiffed up. I quit.

Jolie's that. I'm at four. I'll take a random Igor, specifically Igor in their name. It can be their middle name. They're nicknames. Sort of. Okay, let's do. Just a random.

OK. Random? Yeah, general. All right, I'm going to go with Weisel. No, yeah, Weiselberg. Weiselberg's good. Yeah. Jalisa.

Mm. Wow. This is good. OK. I will take Brittany Kaiser because, fuck, yes, right? Have you guys seen the documentary yet? Only a few of you guys you gotta watch that. That's really good. What's it really good? I forget the great hack the great hack the great. Yeah. Yeah, really good. It'll blow your fucking mind seriously watch it. Jordan

AMI Dick Um, AMI. Ugh! Dick. It's fun. I'm gonna go with Kalamari. And that is how we play the fantasy indictment league. Yeah! And now it's time for the interview and I couldn't be more excited about our guest today, election security advocate, writer, attorney,, nasty woman, and all around badass. Please welcome Jennifer Cohn.

Down your got the way, oh fuck, I need to make you mine. Down your change, oh fuck, the things make you very popular. Down your got the way, oh fuck, the things make you very popular. 5, 0, 9, 9, 10, 6, 7, 5, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, I love my fancy chair too. It's very tall. Of all the venues we've been to, this is the best fancy chair that we've had. It's a giraffe. Give it up for the triple door guys. Oh, Pudi Owls. So Jennifer, you have an amazing piece out now in medium, on medium, about

America's electronic voting system and you open with the line, we can't fix that, which we don't understand. And you've been very outspoken, you've been an outspoken advocate on election security with a sharp focus on educating the public with the tools we need to address the problems. And would you be so kind as to educate us on the six key points we need to be informed of

so we can be informed advocates of election security and go forth and spread the good news. Yes, I'd be happy to do that. Do you want me to do sort of a ticker of what the seminar or should we just go through them one by one? Yeah, we can start with centralization if you want. Sure. So we've often been told that our election system

is too decentralized to allow an outcome altering hack. And the truth is that our system is actually very centralized in an incredibly dangerous way, and what I mean is that just two voting machine vendors account for over 80% of U.S. election equipment. So those two vendors, their names are ESNS and Dominion Voting, and&S is 44% of US election equipment. Dominion Voting is about 37%. And the concern is that if there are corrupt insiders at either of these vendors or if either vendor is infiltrated, it could cause wreak havoc on an election throughout the United

States. S&S alone, I believe, isn't about 40 states, at least by which I mean some counties have at least some of their equipment in their states. So it's an incredibly dangerous situation. Yeah, definitely. And now how about you were talking about, you mentioned briefly, the corrupt insiders. Could this corruption and consolidation of anything to do with maybe what happened in North Carolina?

You know, possibly. So one thing that's really frustrating with election security work is everyone is paying attention now to it because of Russia, and Russia is a huge concern, but you do sort of have that Jan Brady, Russia, Russia, Russia, because there is very much a concern with corrupt insiders. And so with North Carolina, the ninth district election, we know that the GOP already cheated in that district. The last time around, which is why we had this new election. So I think it's also highly a gerrymandered district. In fact, the federal courts just told them

they had to draw their maps again, but they had to use the old maps for this. Yeah, that's correct. And this was a really important election too, because the way it turned out, it was a Dan McCready against Dan Bishop. And Dan Bishop is the bathroom legislation guy, the one who didn't want transgender.

People to be able to use the bathroom of their choice. Both that guy. And he has a lot in common with Trump. He refers to the media as the G-Hod media. He's talked about criminalizing protesters. So he's the one who won this election, and the GOP had already cheated, so it lost, really, to the extent it was entitled to any benefit of the doubt, which I don't think anybody is entitled

to the benefit of the doubt in an election. They had lost that, but yes, there are some red flags there. There were, for one thing, on Rachel Maddo's show, some of my followers and some people on Twitter noticed that the Democrat, Dan McCready's vote total went down. So between not just the percentage, I mean, but the actual number of votes, which should never happen unless there is either fraud or error.

So between 52% and 55% suddenly it started going backwards. That doesn't prove anything. It could be, have been a mistake on the part of whoever gave the numbers to the Richelmato show, but there's been an article written up on it and no comment yet from their show. The other thing that was sort of anomalous about this election is that McCready,

the first go around, the one where there was the cheating, he actually got, well, it came down to Robison County, is this one county really apparently was the decisive county and the election that caused the Democrat, the seat? And in 2018, when they did it the first time around, the Democrat got 15 percentage points higher than the Republican, but this time the Republican, just a year later, came within one percentage point.

And this isn't a county that is 60% Democrat to 13% Republican. So that's. What the fuck then? I know. It's kind of crazy. And the thing is their main voting machine vendor is ESNS. It's that 44% vendor.

Most of the Republican votes have been, or shift in votes have been attributed to this one Native American tribe, the Lumbi Indians. So those are minority voters, and ESNS has a very scary track record with losing votes from minority neighborhoods. And this is something that's actually made the headlines. It's been reported in Bloomberg. It was even discussed on the Richelmaid Show

that they have their machines are literally losing votes from black neighborhoods. So yes, the only way to know if an electronic outcome has been rigged is to compare the paper if there is any. And ideally, it would be hand-marked paper ballots. But to compare that against the electronic total, and the problem we have in the United States is that that rarely occurs.

So even when you have paper and North Carolina is a mixed bag, including in this last election, no one really ever does that comparison or if they do it, they do it in a very cursory fashion. So why do you think there's such a real reluctance to just do all paper? What is up to do? Because paper ballots, if they had that, right, that you'd be able to do what you're just talking about. Why do you think there's such a real reluctance to do that? I think a lot of it is its corruption, largely coming from the voting machine vendors. They make a lot more money, they make a lot more money with the expensive touchscreen style voting machines, and so they have historically really...

It's lobbying, yeah. It's lobbying, right, and so people tend to think that corruption has tainted every other aspect of our government, but many of us were raised to believe that we have these great elections in the United States. And unfortunately, that was a lie. Corruption has really tainted our election system, at least for the last 15 years, yeah. Seriously, yeah.

And when we talk about paper ballots, you bring up a good point in your article that vendors are lying and misleading as about the term paper ballots. Can you explain that? Yes, sure. So the vendors have really alarming history and particular ESNS have just outright lying about election security. So just very quickly, they lied about saying that they didn't have remote access. Software installed in their equipment that proved to be a lie, they lied about internet connectivity.

And then they also use just sort of deception and deceptive marketing. And so lately what they did, because all of these election security experts were calling for paper ballots, they decided to redefine the term because there isn't a legal term for paper ballots. And so what they redefined it to include, so now it includes not just traditional handmarked paper ballots, which can't be hacked, but also very much hackable machine-marked summary cards with barcodes on them that come from these really expensive touchscreen style. They call them ballot-marking devices, but they're just like

what we've seen before the touchscreen voting machines. They make the vendors a lot more money than traditional hand-marked paper ballots, but they cost about two to three times as much. So they call computers essentially a hand-marked paper ballots, but they cost about two to three times as much. So they call computers essentially a ballot marking device? No, they do. They do generate a piece of paper. It's a summary card and it has a barcode. The only part counted as your vote is the barcode, which voters can't read.

And then they often say, well, there's also this human readable text next to it. But the problem with that is that studies have already shown that most voters don't actually look at that text. Even if some of them do, and notice the problem, the concern is always going to be the ones who don't, and that's really the same situation we've seen in Mississippi recently. I don't know if you heard, but there were touchscreen voting machines. They were paperless, but you could see on the screen that the votes kept defaulting to the wrong candidate, and that's happened in Georgia and Texas as well.

And it really won't be, it's really common sense. It won't be any better if that happens on the paper trail. It'll just make people think they have security because they've got a paper trail that what about the voters who don't notice if there are these machine marked flips or donations on the paper trail. And then you have a paper trail will result in a fraudulent paper trail will result in a fraudulent audit and a fraudulent recount. So what is the solution then? Because I've heard paper ballots

can be in the right direction but it sounds like they have their own problems. We'll know the hand-marked paper ballots. Right, you have to, anytime you talk about paper ballots, you have to add that hand marked prefix. The only exception should be for voters with disabilities. They should be allowed to use ballot marking devices, but there's no reason for anybody to have to deal with this type of barcode voting system. Mm-hmm.

So, I mean, part of the solution is hand marked paper ballots. That's really just sort of the first step. And so as we're seeing, so for example, Robus and County, I believe in North Carolina, does use hand marked paper ballots. That's really just sort of the first step. And so as we're seeing, so for example, Robus and County, I believe in North Carolina does use hand marked paper ballots. But if nobody actually manually counts or manually audits those hand marked paper ballots, it doesn't do you any good. And so we're sort of a quick fix country and we need to really, it's not that complicated,

but there are like five or six things sort of need to be done. And really the first step is getting that hand marked prefix on there, but that is not sufficient. It's just necessary. Yeah. And can you maybe clear up the confusion for us over competing election security bills? Sure. So I think it's really important that people understand sort of the history of corruption with these vendors,

the lies that they tell, they have a shady pass too, which I don't think we have much time to get into. But the reason why I'm very worried that the American public is about to get scammed with a bad election security bill. And there are two bills sitting in the Senate right now. One of them is good, It's the safe act. It used to be called the paybacked. Ron Wyden is the one who primarily wrote it.

It's already passed the house. It would ban these barcode voting systems. It requires a really robust type of manual audit called a risk limiting audit. It has a lot of, it would ban internet connectivity. But the problem is there are no Republicans who signed on to it so far. And the bill that actually has some Republican traction

was devised by any clobo-shar, not char, clobo-shar. And that one has some bipartisan traction, but it doesn't do any of those things I just mentioned. So it would allow these barcode voting systems that the vendors and election officials, and even any clobo-shar is leadingly call paper ballot systems. And it's really a fraud on the public. It would, the Secure Elections Act that is bipartisan, it would not require robust manual audits.

It would allow sort of dog and pony show audits. I don't think it would ban internet connectivity or remote access. And so it's really important to understand that if you're going to call your senators, which you should, by the way, you should absolutely call your senators. But you want to advocate the safe act. And then not only that, you need to be just a tiny bit substantive with it. Say the phrase, hand marked paper ballots and say you don't want barcodes and say you want robust manual audits as well. Jennifer, can I ask you a question?

Sure. So, I'm Canadian for any of you who don't know that. And I'm only ever voted on paper ballots. And I'm curious, is it most American states or like most of the U.S. that uses an electronic voting system? Well, 70% of the United States does use hand-marked paper ballots. That is not to say that we hand count, like Canada does

for its federal elections. There are only a few places that do hand count, but they do exist. So New Hampshire, about 40% of New Hampshire does complete hand counting, which sort of, I mean, you can screw that up too, obviously. But it's hard to do it in as, you don't have to worry about foreign adversaries, and it's hard to do it in as systematic of a fashion,

because you don't have machines that are centrally programmed at the counties or states, like you do with electronic voting. So 70% use hand-marked paper ballots, but most of those are counted. When I say that, most of them are counted on scanners. So there's still electronics involved, Very, very few do hand counting. And then the other 30%, which has always been the problem, they, for the most part, have used touch screen voting machines.

Some of them are paperless. Some of them have this crap paper trail. And then the problem is that they're flocking to these new barcode systems. It's that same 30% that we've always had to worry about or flocking to the barcode systems instead of handmarked paper ballots, which again are necessary, not sufficient. Yeah. Yeah.

And can you clear up the, talk about the opposition to transparency? I know you wanted to talk a little bit about that and the reality winner. Right. So one thing that I've noticed is that really nothing there doesn't seem to be any meaningful action in the United States on election security without transparency and the most obvious example of this is reality winner. She was the Army veteran and NSA contractor who leaked the NSA report to the intercept, which showed that Russia had actually breached election systems, or actually three election service providers. And I think it had a lot of additional information in there.

But what happened is one of those providers was VR systems, and they provided, they're called electronic poll books, that they're used to check voters in at the polling places. And one of their customers, North Carolina, coincidentally, in 2016 in Durham County, had massive, massive electronic poll book failures. And they had some indication, I think, that there was already sort of a rumor in the media, that it could have been VR systems,

but it hadn't been confirmed with this leaked NSA report yet. And so the North Carolina Elections Board, which was, by the way, led by Republicans at the time, they did sort of a cursory glance, I guess, at the electronic pullbooks, and they claimed they had done a forensic analysis. And after Reality Winner leaked the report, they admitted that they really hadn't done a forensic analysis. And someone who was formerly General Counsel for them said that really it was because of that report and after that report that they finally referred the machines to the Department of Homeland Security for analysis.

The problem that so that was because of transparency people tended to not do stuff if without public exposure. But the real concern I have is that the government itself doesn't appear to want us to know about security breaches. And I say this partly because key state officials told the media that they had no idea about those three election service providers having been infiltrated in VR systems, having been infiltrated until reality winner leaked that report, which is really scary. And they still won't tell tell us the DHS still won't tell us who

the other two election service providers are. Yeah. Or will they tell us the other Florida County? There's two Florida counties that were hacked. They won't tell us the other Florida County. And I wonder if that's got anything to do with like you remember how Obama was waffling back and forth about whether or not to talk about Russia you know interfering in our elections and maybe because maybe because they have the sort of this idea

that if we know that elections don't work. Well, panic. Well, we've put ourselves into a real bind because we have a really swiss cheese election system. And then you have someone like Trump, who, I mean, it's still possible to have a legitimate election outcome with a swiss cheese system. It's also possible to have it rigged, but you can kind of get screwed either way.

And I think Trump really backed Obama and even Hillary a little bit, and he sort of tricked them by saying it was going to be rigged. And then they came out in this big defense of our frankly terrible election system. And it made it really awkward for them to admit, after the fact, that maybe it really was rigged because the machines, I mean, antivotor registration systems, one or the other, both. And that is a Russian active measure.

Oh yeah. They're taking advantage of our vulnerability is that we would have whether they got involved or not. It's opportunistic of them. But yeah, the problem seemed to be more at home than anything, right? Right. Yeah, like these feelings of polarization, they problem seemed to be more at home than anything, right? Right.

Yeah, like these feelings of polarization, like they're going to be here regardless, but Russia is like, oh cool, you're polarized, let me take advantage of that. Right, and it's entirely, I mean, possible that we've had multiple people inside of our systems, you know, it could have been domestic and Russia, or it could have been more than one nation state. I mean, it's, it mean, it's Swiss cheese. It really is, but corrupt insiders have always, always been at least as great of a risk as Russia.

I don't want to say greater. I can't quantify it because I don't know exactly what happened because there's no transparency, but there's certainly a great risk. So what can we do? Other than, I mean, call our senators, obviously, we're going to do that. What else can we do to increase voter participation and deter voter fraud? Not voter fraud, just fraud.

Sort of back to this transparency thing. Voter fraud is not real unless it's a problem. We're running up against a deadline, apparently. Sorry, we're running up against a deadline at the end of September, having to do with funding, election security funding, and again, my concern is that we'll get funding for these barcode systems, which is not what we want, but as long as we can get some election security funding and again my concern is that we'll get funding for these barcode systems which is not what we want but as long as we can get some election security funding I guess

under this safe act instead that's something to promote. There's something that we don't really have as much of a deadline on that I'm really interested in promoting which is subpoenaing the voting machine vendors much like the cigarette company manufacturers or subcepina. So it's pretty popular. Because they're wide to us. And yes, in us in particular, finally, it got caught in its lie having said it didn't install remote access software in its voting machine programming

systems. It did, and it finally admitted there in 300 jurisdictions, but it won't identify where they are. And to me, it's insane that the house has not actually subpoenaed the vendors to tell us where and when they put the remote access software among other things. And I wonder why. And then I do want to say, keep an eye on the news

out of Georgia, in particular, because they're sort of ground zero for this, if you're interested in the voting machine and voter registration system, sort of shenanigans, they're really ground zero for that. And on the bright side, there is a nonprofit called the Coalition for Good Governance that filed litigation in Georgia, and they got really a historic ruling. It's in Georgia Federal Court where the court actually found Georgia's paperless voting machines unconstitutional.

So that was a really big deal. The court actually found George's paperless voting machines unconstitutional. So that was a really big deal, but that's actually only halfway there. They're actually taking on these barcode voting systems. And so this is a really, really groundbreaking lawsuit. And you can find them, you can find them, yeah, you can find them just online. And they actually do need financial support because they're going against a really well-funded opponent, which is the Georgia Secretary of State. And they're also funding litigation,

by the way, over those drop those missing votes from the Black neighborhoods. 127,000 drop votes in 2018. So they have two separate, really important lawsuits going that have received some pretty good ruling so far. And I think supporting them would be really helpful. Absolutely. Great. Thank you.

So might as well coalition for what? Coalition for Good Governance. For Good Governance, we'll do. All right, thank you so much, Jennifer. Thank you. For being here. Thank you, Jennifer. Now, could I, if you wouldn't mind sticking around and we got the panel here, we're going

to take some audience questions. Oh, yeah. And then really quickly, I just wanted to say, I think it's a great point to mention that we're up against like really huge funds. Like the 1%, I think they own like like more than 80% of the wealth it seems. And so that made me realize today that even collectively, we actually don't have as much money as them, but money is not going to be the only determining factor.

Yeah, we also have to show up in numbers too big to manipulate. Hell yes. Can I have that? No, we have that. No, we have that. We have the numbers. We do. We definitely have the numbers.

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You guys are awesome. Jennifer here too. So two quick questions. My first question is, who owns these voting machine companies? I'm so glad you asked that because I didn't really get to get there. You know what's really shocking back to this transparency concern is their own by private equity, which means we don't know who actually really the individuals who own and control them. And North Carolina was recently taking a promising step. They actually asked who owns ESNS.

And then they got really lame answers. And they decided they talked to the DHS, which said, oh, yeah, well, we looked into it, and there's no foreign ownership. So we're just going to let it go. And again, they didn't get into the, what little we do know is actually very concerning. So ESNS itself was founded with the money from the families of two religious right billionaires,

who are both members of a group called the Council for National Policy. I don't know if you've heard of them, I've written about them. It's a really scary religious right billionaire networking group and its recent members include the whole Cambridge Analytica crowd, which is, oh, right.

So you have the mercers and Steve Bannon and Kellyanne Conway. It also includes Wainlop here from the NRA, Mike Pence, and it includes a convicted embezzler who has these, he's like an embezzler-turned-Christian whose nonprofits had these massive voter data leaks in 2015. So it's really shady.

And then the other big mega-vendor dominion voting, it does its programming in Serbia, which has a very close connection to Russia. There, a president is extremely pro-Putin, and it really might as well be Russia, where they're doing their programming. So it's really quite shocking. And the two companies may actually even be related, these two vendors.

We just don't know, because they're privately owned. Another good reason to demand that the House subpoena them. They have the power, the Democrats. The Democrats have the power to subpoena them, and they've actually been asked by a few public interest groups So now's a great time if you want to make an easy call call your house representatives and ask them to subpoena the voting machine Do it Do that shit. Thank you.

Hell yeah, great question. What was your follow-up question? My other question was I mean given the issues with polling centers closing down and lack of access to voting locations Do you think that if we went completely absent to handmark ballots across the country, if that could help resolve some of these issues? Not necessarily. We just all did mail in. Not necessarily.

So, the Trump would fuck with the post office sometimes. The problem is that it really depends on the jurisdiction. So for example, Oregon does vote by mail really well. I don't think they have a lot of corruption there, and they also may have spent a lot of time coming up with safeguards. You have a lot of chain of custody problems with vote by mail, not just the post office

misdelivering, but even on the other end. So really, anytime, when you think of transparency, anytime the public loses sight of the chain of custody of where those ballots are, it's an opportunity for fraud. And if you're going to do vote by mail, you really have to have some good safeguards. I know that Florida has a really terrible vote by mail system. Georgia has a troche. They have a troche's vote by mail. And was litigation over that and you can so I don't see vote by mail as being a panacea at least not quickly for 2020. You really I think the most secure there are other problems, major other problems but the

most secure is voting on election day with a hand marked paper ballot. If you're going to vote by mail I will say this and actually I do vote by mail in California. If you're going to do what you want to will say this, and actually I do vote by mail in California. If you're going to do it, you want to ask for your vote by mail ballot early enough that if the voter registration system is hacked, which can happen, if you don't get your ballot because say somebody tweaked your address, that you know this soon enough to get a ballot in time to vote in the election, because we actually, there have been certainly a lot of reports of people not getting their vote by mail ballots. And that could have been because of potentially,

because of hacking. And if your county allows it, and this is, gets very confusing because there's no one size fits all for all counties, but if your county allows it, it's best to circumvent the post office and hand deliver your vote by mail ballot to your polling place. Yeah.

Yeah. But you got to make sure that your county allows it because you don't want to show up and have them say, sorry. Yeah. I want to. And we have to remember too that Mueller, and this is one of the most shocking things that he said in his testimony, didn't investigate whether the vote was hacked, whether the voting numbers were changed.

That's what it's such a fail on his part. Yeah, well, I don't know if he was even allowed to pass to be able to do that. So I don't know if it was a fail on his part necessarily, but he might have handed it off to somebody else, but that it wasn't investigated at all, because the scope of the investigation was created by Rod Rosenstein.

Well, there was a footnote where he said, yeah, well, the FBI said this was hacked and that was hacked, and we didn't really look into it because the FBI has it under control. And it, you know, the reason why transparency is so important is we shouldn't, for example, I don't trust the DHS under Trump. And I shouldn't have to.

And frankly, there were people, I actually, you know, there were jurisdictions that didn't trust it under Obama, and if you think about they shouldn't have to either, and that's why transparency is so important. People want it, people to trust an untrustworthy system, and the best way to make it trustworthy is to have it as transparent as possible to involve the public. Transparency is the answer. Hi. Hello. And thank you so much for all the work you do, all the content you bring us, it's really amazing, so thank you so much! And not to have this question come out of a field,

no pun intended. One question I have is it seems like so many of the issues with the like corruption general like trepid administration issues that we were like talking about, being covered so heavily or not being covered in the democratic kind of campaigns that are going on. I don't really hear anyone talking about it. It's almost like taboo to talk about. So I just want to know general thoughts on, our really wonderful field of democratic candidates who just don't really talk about any of these issues

that we've been dealing with so heavily. Yeah, I think it's odd because voters, in recent poll, the SSRS that came out on CNN, 55% of voters think it's more important to beat Trump with 39% of the voters who wanna talk about the issues. Exactly, which is not a sad but true. The debate format, I think, is one of the big fucking problems that we have just stupid debate format.

10 candidates on the stage, and they're like, oh, we narrowed it down by 10, we had 20, and then they're like, oh, we narrowed it down by 10, we have 20 and then they're like, oh, we'll put them all on the same stage again. Yeah, and then we're going to have more even in the next debate. So I think that they need to fix that format, but you're absolutely right. They aren't running on that. They aren't running on it. Russia, I think De Bllasio was the only one who mentioned Russia in the debate. Kamala mentioned Trump often, and I think she was one of the main ones that was like, yo, we're fighting him, not each other. And yeah, Cory Booker was like, we should all get along, but Kamala was the one that was like, this is about Trump. Yeah, but they didn't, they aren't discussing, I think what you were referring to specifically,

is the corruption, like what he, you know, his, you know, there's some corruption, there's like a little there's a tad, you're right, you're totally right. But yeah, I wish, and that's kind of, I think why we're here and what we all do and what you guys do is just keep yelling it because if the candidates aren't going to, it has to get out there somewhere. Sure, yeah. So yeah. Yeah, so.

I find myself increasingly frustrated with like CNN honestly, too, because today, for example, they're talking about frickin' Mrs. Buys degrees for like two hours, and then hardly any coverage on McCabe, for example, which is an incredible assault on the intelligence community and justice in this country. So, if stations like that are kind of informing the base and candidates have to speak directly to the base, I feel they get sort of pigeon-holed and what they're even gonna talk about,

especially when it's led by CNN. Yep, on the screen. How many hours has seen it and it's been on the Felicity Huffman Trail in the last like week? It's a question. Very good question. Have you clocked it?

I'm gonna start clocking it. I'm gonna watch it. Clocking it, we'll do it. Very good question. Have you clocked it? I'm going to start clocking it. I'm going to watch it. Clocking it. We'll do it. Hello. Hello. All right. North Carolina, Mississippi, Georgia, Florida, Texas. Do these states have anything in common?

You mean besides geographically, right? And is this a problem that occurs across the country or just there? You mean with which specific problem do you mean the voting machines? Those are the examples of voting machine corruption that you're giving. The corruption is all throughout the United States. Unfortunately, the most egregious examples that I've seen have involved the ESNS are the most obvious, but I think Dominion probably does it too. So both ESNS and Dominion, for example, have made donations to Mitch McConnell, who is

now blocking election security legislation that would have vanned, you know, it would have curtailed, for example, their barcode voting systems, the SAF Act. In South Carolina, ESNS has this advisory board, they call it an advisory board, but what it really is is they fly election officials all around the country. They went to Las Vegas and they got them show tickets. They hold open bars. The South Carolina's top election official set on this advisory board, and she got $20,000 worth of gifts from the vendor through being on this advisory board.

It's over the course of like a decade, but 20,000, and then they chose the barcode voting system. Over, I mean, massive opposition, by the way, there are voters and leading election security experts who are opposing these, especially these barcode machines and they're selling like hotcakes. Philadelphia is another one. It was a Republican commissioner and a Democratic commissioner

who both received donations that were not disclosed by the way from ESNS through its lobbyist and they chose this barcode voting system and it's still being fought tooth and nail. Yeah. So it's everywhere, but it is sort of most obvious, I think, a New York South Carolina. North Carolina definitely, they're sweet in the pot, Texas.

What's up with the South? Do you think it's really because of what happened during the Civil War? They're still hanging on to that culture? Like, I'm curious about the commonality. I will, I think that it was a real, really striking to me. I had read about the 127,000 undervotes and black neighborhoods in Georgia,

and that those were the vendor there as ESNS. And then I saw it in Tennessee, and another advocate kind of connected those two together. Her name's Lulu Freizde. I mean, that to me is, and it's really not disputable either. So in Tennessee, they compared the precinct results that come out on these poll tapes to what came out on the other end.

The reported totals, and they just didn't match. And it was from these precincts. It was like black churches, where, and the guy, he's African-American himself, and he was just curious. Even he's an election security advocate, but he said, I'm just going to check this out. And he couldn't believe it. They just didn't make it out on the other end.

And yeah, I think I'm speculating, of course, I can't even prove, in terms of a court of law, that there was actual cheating. But I'm very concerned it has to do that it's deliberate voter suppression. And at the very minimum, you have reports that they send broken down machines, certainly, to the black neighborhoods, or not enough machines.

And yes, absolutely, I think this is, it's just straight up racism. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Thank you. Thank you for confirming that. Hello. Hi. Welcome to Seattle.

You came just in time for the rain. Thank you. Thank you. I have maybe a weird question for a Democrat living in Seattle for you guys But I was raised Mormon. I appreciate all your commentary I'm not Mormon I was raised that way so I have a lot of conservative family members and we try to engage in political conversations and My question that is still driving me crazy with my conversations with them is that even if you are

Republican and you Like some of the things that that Trump does is the Republican well of people so dry that you can't find somebody Who's not a misogynist rapist that can accomplish the same goals that you're looking for? Yes, yes Have you have you seen the judges they've been trying to appoint? same goals that you're looking for. Yes, the answer is yes. Yes, there is. But they're all watching. Have you seen the judges they've been trying to appoint? So my question off of that is, if Donald Trump was the Democratic presidential candidate, I've always had this

conversation with my brother that I would not have voted for him, I would have chosen someone else. Right, right. Who would you choose if you had to pick a Republican? Oh, well, Richard Painter. OK. That's good. I would be in towards like a Marco Rubio tie, but he's no one.

He doesn't want to be in that position to begin with. Maybe Kasich. I was going to say that. Very good. I don't know why I didn't think of that. He seems tired though, right? He's very tired. He's not happy about any of this, but I will say I have a sleep.

Let him have a sleep. Yeah, I think at this point, their GOP is not what he used to be, right? When the Democratic Party decided not to be racist anymore, not so overtly, that was a big shift. And the GOP is going through a really big shift right now. So they might need to either rebrand or jump shift, but it's not what it used to be and it probably won't go back. So they don't have any more decent people, I think. They all left and became independent. It is what it is, yeah, but very good question.

Totally good question. That's an interesting conversation to have with your family. I actually think there's a real concern also that the Trump administration is blackmailing people or threatening them. And I think a lot of maybe the more moderate Republicans have been who dared to challenge him have been scared out of the media because there have been reports that the Trump administration met with cell phone hacking company in Israel, spyware company. And then you have, I mean, Lindsey Graham, for example, is still there, but then you have Trump,

this is spyware where all they need is your cell phone number. And then you have Trump in 2017 reading out Lindsey Graham's cell phone number to the crowd. And it seems, and then he goes golfing with Lindsey Graham and suddenly Lindsey Graham's no longer such an opponent. And we're that we just found a bunch of those stingray devices around the White House from Israel. Right.

And there are reports that friends of Trump are raising millions of dollars to come up with dossiers to investigate journalists. And we even heard phony dossiers fake dossiers. No, the real dossiers, maybe. I don't know. But they're trying, they're going to threaten journalists and I think it's absolutely a concern that

they're have done this certainly to members within their own party. I, you know, Jeff Flake, for example, I have concerns about that's why they're all retiring. There's no Republican primaries in certain states this year as well. They're pulling. There's four states for the not. They're pulling it, but to be fair, the Democrats have done that in the past as well sure I didn't know they did when they did it but it seems especially distinctive now considering that Trump is their candidate right Obama admitted if he were white he would still be a pretty decent candidate right I think the idea is that Trump is not the

norm and for them to cancel the primaryaries, well, he is the president. That's special. I don't know. I think I might disagree a little bit. I think canceling primaries is kind of a thing that's done. If you think you have it in the bag, sure. What the fuck is Trump though? Trump has 88% of the Republican vote.

He's got it in the bag. That is the problem. What the fuck is going on? That makes no sense to me. I know. Don't we know that Trump rigs polls, though, right? I mean, that's what Michael Cohen testified, that he, of course, he brides $12,000 back

with a boxing glove in it. So yeah, it's really hard to know sometimes how high his approval really is. Yeah, I think canceling primaries is a significantly diminishes voters' feelings of the efficacy of their vote. I don't agree with it, but yeah, it's just gonna have a huge issue with the Republicans doing it really.

I mean, I haven't a huge issues with everything that they do. I just wanted to make sure that we know that Obama did cancel, so there were some primaries canceled. That's very a point. Obama would have been very pregnant. And in Clinton as well. Right. I think Trump is their Obama, but sure my bias is showing generally speaking Obama is

Obama is the good and Trump is the evil so to say that Trump is your Obama Is ridiculous, but I get what that means. It's just holy shit your Obama Obama is the anti-cress who the fuck are you? That makes no sense, right? And you said it's 88% of Republicans, but only like about 30% are truly hardcore fans, right? That's what it is. 30% of American voters. Not Republicans.

American voters, not Republicans. That's some humor shit right there. There's only just like six Republicans, that's it. Yeah, I think, I want to say, fact check me on this next week if you want, but I think Hitler had about 38% of six people. Yeah, well, 88% of fucking people that can decide if they want to speak up. Like, 88% of neutral people, sure, but 30% of hardcore, funkin' Trumpians,

those Trumpets or whatever they call them, those people make all the difference. The people that like, they do nothing, they just allow those 30% of people to be that much more powerful. I know, you're right. You're not that much more powerful. I know you're right You're not one of them, but fuck you're right. That's awful Hello final question Hello, thank you. Seattle is lucky to have your three brilliant brains here. Thanks for joining me and My question is specifically related to the awesome guest you have in your grade, too. No, no

That's okay. Thank you But two things. One is, what should the Democratic candidates be talking about right now in the debates to make the election security issue forefront? And secondly, what can they do in between now and November of 2020? What are we doing to ensure this election, not after we have

a Democratic president and Democratic Senate? What are we doing right now about this election? What is who doing, Mitch McConnell? Right, there were two questions, right? What was the first one again? The first one is what's going on. What are the presidential candidates saying now to bring this to light, to activate all of us,

all the people, to begin the street and do something and then what are we doing to prevent it before it happens? The presidential candidates have not done enough in terms that they really need talking points. And we were talking about this backstage, I think Democrats are really bad with talking points. So they should be saying hand marked paper ballots and they should be saying there's

this thing called barcode voting and you know holding up a barcode and can you tell if this is Elizabeth Warren or Donald Trump when you look at the barcode. So they should be doing that. They should talk about how systems have remote access. The centralized computers have these vendors have remote access to them. They installed it and they lied about it. And they should talk about how they connect to the internet and the vendors lied about this. And I think that that would get real interest out there.

And they need to add that hand marked prefix. The Kamala Harris is doing this on Twitter. I don't know if she's done it anywhere else. I don't know if she said hand marked, but she's done it at least several times on Twitter. Ron Wyden is really, he's not a presidential candidate. He's the one who does it the most. Elizabeth Warren has called for handmarked paper ballots in her written description of what her election security plan is,

which is fantastic, but I haven't heard her actually say it out loud. And the problem is, you know, the vendors calling these barcode things paper ballots. They are paper but calling the paper ballots That is propaganda and studies have shown that to overcome propaganda you need to you need repetition and that's where for example Fox News is So good their content is crap, but they're very good at repetition. Thank you. Yes. Yes And they so important and the Democratic candidates are completely failing at this and I'm often finding myself. I've actually been nicer on the Democratic candidates for a president, but you know with Amy Klobuchar. I've done a lot of dear Amy Klobuchar. Where's the hand marked prefix? Why are you not telling people about the barcode? So what are they, what can be done between now? I mean, certainly at a minimum,

well, we can get the safe act passed. That would, if it's done by the end of September, which is just a few weeks from now, there might be some hope that way. If that doesn't happen, we still can have the House subpoena of the vendors. And I do think transparency and shining a light and letting people, telling them, we need to know, under oath, who owns you? Who is controlling you? I think that this could be a deterrent and even if it's not a deterrent It could open investigations and you never know who's there are a lot of people because this isn't focused on who could do or in a position to do things really good litigators for example You never know who's listening All right someone might be listening and maybe they'll file some lawsuits. We really need more lawsuits

So yeah, definitely. No, we do. None generally. It's a security election security. And the Coalition for Good Governance is the only really act in town and thank God for them, but they need more. And I think also just get five of your friends to register to vote. Show up at numbers to figure it out.

We just have to show up. Absolutely. Because even with all this corruption, and 1600 polling places closing, and hundreds of thousands of votes being dropped, we still kicked their fucking ass in 2018. Yeah, yeah. But. And we lost the few seats.

But did gain very important ones. 2020 has to be even bigger than what that was. Absolutely. Absolutely. And I think that it will be. I think people will turn out, you guys are just amazing. And I think that everybody who kind of is part of this community is just so plugged in and so awesome.

And before we get out of here, we're going to do a little thing. This is my favorite part. OK, we're going to divide the room up into three parts. You guys, over here, it's actually four parts. You guys in the middle, parts. You guys over here, it's actually four parts. You guys in the middle, and then you guys over here, and then you guys up front, you have a special part. So first of all, you guys over here, sing this note.

Fah. Keep going. Fah. You guys. Keep going, fuck. You guys, fuck, fuck. Keep going. Now I'm going to go like this and you stop and then you guys go, fuck. Really high, like soprano. And I'll give you a cue all right sound good now

who's fucked today I would say we discussed it briefly I'm trying to remember which guy we thought was I didn't drop his fuck I really do yeah you can you know you can shit all over if you want department of justice we open an impeachment inquiry in your ass today. So first days. Excuse me We're impeaching the fucking president of the United States And I hate that we're like cheering for that because it's a very like somber and shitty fucking thing But I hate his fucking face. So let's do Trump. Trump is. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck.

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