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Episode Date: October 3, 2021

Today is going to feel like an old school kitchen days show. We’re going to talk about Rudy Giuliani’s investigation; the Alfa Bank server and the oranges of the Trump Russia probe; we have information from a new DHS whistleblower who was told to alter intel about Russian interference; plus some Sabotage and the Fantasy Indictment League.Follow AG on Twitter:Dr. Allison Gill (@allisongill)Want to support the show and get it ad-free and early?https://dailybeans.supercast.tech/Orhttps://patreon.com/muellershewrote Aura is a new type of security service that protects all of your online information and devices with one simple subscription. With an easy online dashboard and alerts sent straight to your phone, Aura keeps you in control and guides you through solving any issues. For a limited time, Aura is offering our listeners up to 40% off plans when you visit http://Aura.com/MSW. Choose from salmon, cod, halibut, and more, or a combination of them. And every month there are different specials to explore. Wild Alaskan Company seafood is how nature intended it to be. Always wild, never farmed or modified, and it contains no antibiotics. get $15 off your first box of premium seafood when you visit http://WildAlaskanCompany.com/MSW.

Hi, I'm Harry Lickman, host of Talking Feds. Around table, the brings together prominent figures from government law and journalism for a dynamic discussion of the most important topics of the day. Each Monday, I'm joined by a slate of Feds favorites at new voices to break down the headlines and give the insider's view of what's going on in Washington and beyond. Plus, side bars explaining important legal concepts read by your favorite celebrities. Find Talking Feds where ever you get your podcasts. Hey all, this is Glenn Kirschner and you're listening to Muller She wrote.

So to be clear, Mr. Trump has no financial relationships with any Russian oligarchs. That's what he said. That's what I think. That's obviously what our position is. I'm not aware of all of those activities. I have been called a surrogate at a time of truth in that campaign, and I didn't have, not have communications with the Russians. What do I have to get involved with Putin

for having nothing to do with Putin? I've never spoken to him. I don't know anything about a mother than he will respect me. Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. So it is political.

You're a communist. No, Mr. Green. Communism is just a red hairing, like all members of the oldest profession I'm a capitalist. Thank you. Thank you. Hello and welcome to Muller She Wrote. I'm your host, Alison Gill,

formerly known as AG, but I no longer work for the federal government, so you can call me Alison. Today is gonna feel like an old school kitchen days show, though, even though I'm going by Allison these days, I might just revert back because we're going to talk about Rudy Giuliani's investigation. We're going to talk about the alpha bank server and the oranges of the Trump Russia probe. We have information from a new DHS whistleblower who was told to alter intelligence about Russian election interference to make Trump feel better. We have, of course, sabotage and the fantasy indictment league coming your way as well.

I am in, I'm traveling, I'm not going to tell you where. Well, it's fine, it's at my my mom's house. I'm taking my mom to see Hamilton this weekend, but you might hear a bit of an echo and that's because I'm in one of those one of those Arizona kind of houses with all the tile floors and things. So I do apologize if the sound is not superior this week. I just wanted to let you know I am traveling and I will stop it nothing including recording in an airplane bathroom to bring you the show. So with that said, we have a lot to get to. So let's jump in with just the facts. All right, we're going to start off with this department of Homeland Security whistleblower. DHS whistleblower leveled a series of bombshell accusations Sunday in his first television

interview, accusing Donald and the administration's superiors, oppressing for manipulated intelligence in three critical subjects, Russian support for Trump, the Mexican border, and the white supremacist threat inside the United States. This guy's name is Brian Murphy, he's my new hero, he's the former principal deputy under secretary in the Department of Health and Human Services, Office of Intelligence and Analysis. He filed a whistleblower complaint last year, as well as a handful of internal complaints and reports

that all painted a frightening picture of how things were running inside the department tasked with keeping America safe. From the outset, there were three things that I was told. We would look to manipulate intelligence on and bend the truth about. Murphy told George Stephanopoulos that on ABC this week. And I told him up front that I wasn't going to do it.

Now he was, you know, we need you to manipulate this intelligence, I'm not going to do it. On Russia, the border and white supremacy, Murphy said he felt intense pressure to try to take intelligence and fit a political narrative. This sounds so familiar. It happened Noah. It happened at CDC.

It happened at the FDA. It happened at the EPA where they take a political ideology and try to make the intelligence fit for Donald. And he's accusing the administration officials of demanding information be manipulated to burnish Trump's image and help his messaging, right? And probably just not piss him off. In the lead up to the 2020 election, Russian President Volodymyr Putin approved efforts to

denigrate Democratic candidates in order to benefit Trump. That's an intelligence community report said from March, we remember that. Putin also authorized a campaign undermining public confidence in the electoral process and exacerbating socio-political divisions in the US. All things Trump does. Something that Donald and his closest allies embraced as a matter of fact during and after the election because that's what the big lie was. They did that before.

They did it after. In regards to the Southern border, the former FBI agent alleged the DHS took a similar approach, fabricating a terrorist threat and misleading Congress to improve the conditions of Trump's coveted border wall. That's the care of vans, folks. That's fabricating threats at the border. The pattern repeated when it came to white supremacists, particularly after white supremacists killed a counter-protestor.

Remember Heather Heier at the Charlottesville Valley, or Rally? Quote, after Charlottesville, it became a third rail issue within the department to talk about white supremacy in any meaningful way. Our number one threat. In his whistleblower complaint, Murphy wrote that senior official Ken Kuchinelli demanded he modify the section on white supremacy in a manner that made the threat a pure less severe Unquote, but Murphy says he refused because doing so would constitute a censorship of an analysis and an improper administration of an intelligence program. Yeah Murphy Murphy's reluctance to play along put a target on his back

He recalled I know what that's like, Mr. Murphy. Former DHS director Chad Wolf accused him of having a credibility problem and removed him from his position last August, citing claims that he violated legal requirements regarding the collection of information about journalists during riots in Portland, Oregon. Of course, Murphy denied those claims.

I'm really looking forward to see what else this whistleblower has to say. And we will continue to cover that story for you. I'd like to move on now to our pal Durham, John Durham insert prices right, sad noise here. He's issued a new set of subpoenas. He's over two years into this. He's gotten two really shitty weak indictments at one guilty play, no convictions, zero convictions. Special counsel John Durham, so he's now issued that new set of subpoenas,

including to a law firm with ties to Hillary Clinton's 2016 campaign, probably Perkins, Kui, right? I'm sure if I keep reading, we'll know. This is an indication that he could be trying to build a broader criminal case according to people briefed on the matter, but he's got nothing. So far, Durham's two-year probe, yeah, hasn't brought about the cases that Republicans hoped it would, right? They wanted Komi to go down and bowditch and Jim Baker and, you know, the whole Komi five, that whole group, McCabe, and they couldn't secure an indictment there.

Very interesting. But, you know, last week, you know, with the Durham indictment, Klein Smith was indicted. And I found out, I just asked the simple question, why? Because with this latest Susman indictment, which I'll get to in a minute, I've been saying, well, why doesn't Susman's attorneys, why don't they just file a motion to dismiss based on the fact that Durham was appointed without authority? There is no authority that says he can be a special counsel

because he came from within the government. And special counsel regulations, I 600.3A, I believe, 600.3A says, no, you have to, you shall select your special counsel from outside the government. He was, he was a US attorney. He worked for the government. But regardless, I asked why they didn't do that under the client smith thing.

Durham hadn't been appointed special counsel yet at that point. He was just a regular old US attorney. So he, you know, he didn't have an inappropriate or unauthorized appointment by that time. So I hope that we see that motion, and I hope that it works. But in any case, Perkins Kui, Susman, he's issuing more subpoenas.

And the grand jury subpoenas for documents came earlier this month after Durham charged Susussman with lying to the FBI. During the meeting, Sussman handed over data, purporting to show links between the Trump organization and Russia's Alpha Bank. That tip became part of the FBI's investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election, but the FBI ultimately couldn't find evidence of a link. So they say, in seeking additional documents from Susman's former law firm, this is Perkins Kui, there you go, investigators from

the special counsel's office appear to be sharpening their focus on the Democratic political machinery during the 2016 campaign and efforts to tie Trump to Russia. Trump tied Trump to Russia. Perkins Kui's clients in 2016 included the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee. The law firm also hired a campaign on behalf of research. The company commissioned the dossier from ex-British spy Christopher Steele. They hired that Oppo research firm as well. And that all seems to be fine.

I don't know what Durham is looking for. He's already had access to reams of these law firm's records, billing records, meeting calendars. Some of the newly sought documents have been guarded so far by attorney client privilege. So I don't know what he's thinking he's gonna get. This new subpoena could lead to a court fight over privileged information.

They would have to probably get another special master out there. They would draw more about the Clinton campaign into the open. So, and of course, while working for Perkins, Kui's Sussman also represented Rodney Jaffy, a cybersecurity expert. That's the one referred to in the indictment as Tech-Exec 1. In 2016, Jaffy, who had not been previously identified,

worked with researchers to collect internet data about the Trump organization that Sussman took to the FBI. Durham's continued use of the federal grand jury in DC signals he could be interested in adding to Susman's charges or bringing cases against additional defendants. We'll find out. But again, two more, after more than two years, of being commissioned by Barr, not, like,

under no authority, to investigate whether federal authorities improperly targeted the Trump campaign. There's a little to show for his efforts. His probe, which has lasted longer than Mueller's investigation, is so far brought only two lying charges against little down figures, including the case against Susman. Now Susman's pleaded not guilty. Client Smith pled guilty. So this could go to trial.

And as I've said, on cleanup on Al 45, the beans and here, that indictment is not going to hold up. We've covered assessment, but let's talk about the elephant in the room, shall we? That everyone is just sort of stepping over somehow the AlfaBank server. We never got to the bottom of that story. I'm not satisfied with the way it's being reported in this indictment or in the media. We'll be right back with a write-up from CREBSONSACURITY.com to talk about.

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Alright, so I pulled this story, which I want to go over with you off of CREBSONSecurity.com. It's a wonderful site. You really should check this out. And I wanted to talk about the Alpha Bank communication server because that one has never resolved to my satisfaction. And I don't want you to think it's because I don't want shit from the Mueller era to not be resolved. It's just because it wasn't. There are things that are resolved from the Mueller era that I've talked about that I don't like that they went away. For example, individual one, right,

in the Cohen case in Southern District of New York, that's closed. I could be reopened, but that's a resolved thing, but I never felt comfortable with the explanation surrounding the Alpha Bank, you know, Trump Tower Server Communications. We did a big, you know, a whole episode on this back in the day. And I just wanted to kind of bring it back here.

And Krebs was kind enough to do an amazing write-up. And he talks about how in October 2016, media outlets reported data collected by some of the world's most renowned cybersecurity experts had identified frequent and unexplained communications between a server used by Trump organization and AlphaBank, one of Russia's largest financial institutions. Those publications set off speculation about possible secret backchannels of communications as well as a series of lawsuits and investigations that culminated last week with the indictment of Sussman. Now, since 2018, access to an exhaustive report

commissioned by the US Senate Armed Services Committee on data that prompted those experts to seek out the FBI had been limited. Access had been limited to a handful of Senate leaders. Alva Bank and Special Prosecutors appointed to look into the oranges of the FBI investigation on alleged ties between Trump and Russia. That's it. So, only Senate leaders and Durham, Special Prosecutor, has had access to the 2018 report, exhaustive report. Now the report is public. Thanks to a pair of lawsuits filed by Alpha Bank, ironically, which doesn't directly dispute the information collected by the researchers. Instead,

it claims the data they found was a result of a highly sophisticated cyber attack against it in 2016 and 2017, intended to, quote, fabricate communications. So alpha bank here, think about what they're actually saying. They're saying, we're going to sue, we're going to sue you because not because, you know, we say we weren't communicating with Trump Tower. What we're saying is somebody hacked us and made it look like we were talking to the Trump organization. It was a hack. Wow. The data issue refers to communications traversing the domain name systems, DNS, a global database that maps computer-friendly coordinates

like internet addresses to more human-friendly domain names, like example.com. So that's kind of what the domain name system does. That's a database. It's a mapping database. So it can take 8.164.22.9 and turn it into AllisonGill.com. Whenever an internet user gets online to visit a website and send an email, the user device sends a query through the DNS. And we talked about this a few remember a couple years ago, those

DNS queries, right? Many different entities capture and record the DNS data as it traverses the internet, allowing researchers to go back later and see which internet addresses resolved to what domain names when and for how long. Sometimes the metadata generated by these lookups can be used to identify or infer persistent network connections between different internet hosts. And the DNS strangeness, according to Krebs here, was first identified in 2016 by a group of security experts who told reporters they were alarmed at the hacking of the DNC and grew concerned that the same attackers might also target Republican leaders and institutions. They did.

Scrutinizing the Trump organizations online footprint, the researchers determined that for several months during the spring and summer of 2016, because the timing's not weird at all, Internet servers at Alpha Bank in Russia, spectrum health in Michigan, and heartland payment systems in New Jersey accounted for nearly all of the several thousand DNS lookups from a specific Trump organization server. It's male1.Trump-email.com. That's the server. The researcher said they couldn't be sure

what kind of communications between those servers had caused the DNS lookups, but concluded that the data would be extremely difficult to fabricate. As recounted in this 2018 New Yorker story, this is the one we reported on, New York Times journalist Eric Lichtblow met with FBI officials in late September 2016 to discuss the researchers findings. The bureau asked him to hold on to the story before publishing, because it might disrupt

an ongoing investigation. On September 21, 2016, Lichtblow reportedly shared the DNS data with the BGR, a Washington lobbying firm that worked with AlphaBank. Lick's blouse reporting on the DNS findings ended up buried in an October 31st, 2016 story called investigating Donald Trump, FBIC's no clear link to Russia, which stated the FBI ultimately concluded there could be an innocuous explanation, like marketing email or spam that could explain

the unusual DNS connections. But that same day, Slate's Franklin Fowr published a story based on his interactions with researchers. Fowr noted that roughly two days after a licked blower shared the DNS data with BGR, the Trump Organization email server domain vanished from the internet. Its domain effectively decoupled from its internet address. Do you remember that? It just disappeared two days after that story came out, even though it was buried.

We talked about this. Now, Fower wrote that the Times hadn't yet been in touch with Donald or the campaign about the DNS data when the Trump email domain suddenly went offline. Otter still, four days later, the Trump organization created a new host, Trump1.contacts-client.com. And the very first DNS look up to that new domain came from servers at Alpha Bank. The research was concluded, the new domain enabled communication to the very same server via a different route. When a new host name is created, quote, the first communication with it is never random. To reach the server after the resetting of a host name, the sender on the first inbound mail has to first learn of the name somehow. It's simply impossible to randomly reach a renamed server.

That party had to have some kind of outbound message through SMS, phone, or some non-internet channel they used to communicate the new configuration. Meaning, they couldn't communicate with AlphaBank to tell them the new, you know, Trump1.ServerClient or whatever. They had to text them, use an outside form of communication to get that information to somebody at the other end to start sending in hellos. If this were a public server, we would have seen other traces, they say,

the only lookups came from Alpha Bank. The theories now, these are crebs. He's what's at the theories here, but both the Trump Organization and Alphabet have denied using or establishing any sort of channel, you know, or they're saying that the experts fake did or they were hacked, they faked these messages. And in a follow-up story by FOWER, the Trump Organization suggested the DNS lookups might be the result of spam or email advertising, various Trump properties. You know, I email, I try to advertise my properties on the internet.

It's probably that. And so to floor-to-base marketing firm called Sendine, registered and managed their email server in question. Oh, thanks. Sendine told CNN that its contract to provide email marketing services for the Trump organization ended in March of 2016, weeks before the DNS look-ups chronicled by the researchers started appearing. Sendine told CNN that a different client had been communicating with AlphaBank using

Sendine Communications applications, a claim that AlphaBank denied. AlphaBank subsequently hired Computer Forensics firms, Mandiant, or Mandiant, and Strauss Friedberg, hired a couple of experts to examine the DNS data presented by the researchers. Both companies concluded there was no evidence of email communications between Alpha Bank and the Trump Organization. However, both firms also acknowledged that Alpha Bank didn't share any DNS data for the relevant four-month time period identified by the researchers.

Another theory for the DNS weirdness outlined in Mandian's report that AlvaBank servers performed the repeated DNS lookups for the Trump Organization because its internal trend micro antivirus product routinely scanned domains in emails for signs of malicious activity, and that incoming marketing emails promoting Trump properties could have explained the traffic, could have. The researchers maintained this did not explain similar and repeated DNS lookups that made

to the Trump Organization email server by Spectrum Health, which is closely tied to the DeVos family. What? Okay, so Alpha Bank, the DeVos's, work their communicating with this Trump server, all coincidence, apparently. And in June of 2020, Alphabet filed two lawsuits, John Doe lawsuits, one in Pennsylvania and another in Florida. Their stated purpose was to identify the anonymous hackers behind the cyber attacks they claim were responsible for planting the DNS lookups. Alphabet so far as subpoenaed at least 49 people, including all of the security

experts quoted in the 2016 media reports, and others who merely offered perspectives on the matter via social media, at least 15 of those individuals or entities have been deposed. Alpha Bank's most recent subpoena was issued August 26th, a couple weeks ago, August 26th, 2021. This isn't over. LGNK Camp, a professor at Indiana University School of Informatics and Computing, was among the first to publish some of the DNS data collected by the group. In 2017, AlphaBank sent camp a series of threatening letters,

suggesting she was a central figure in what the company would later claim was a malicious cyber activity targeting them. Camps attorneys and Indiana University have managed to keep her from being deposed by both Alpha Bank and John Durham. Although Camps said Alpha Bank was able to obtain certain emails through the school's public records request policy. Quote, if MIT had the commitment to academic freedom the Indiana University has shown throughout

this entire process, Aaron Swartz would still be alive. Camps said. So, Camp said she's bothered the Alpha Bank and Trump Special Counsel Durham have cast these researchers in a sinister light when many of those subpoenaed have spent a lifetime trying to make Internet more secure. Quote, not including me, they've subpoenaed some people who are significant, consistent and important contributors to the security of American networks against the very attacks coming from Russia. I think they're using law enforcement to attack network security and determining

the ways in which their previous attacks have been and are being detected. Nicholas Weaver, UC Berkeley lecturer, told Krebs on security, he complied with a subpoena request from specific emails he'd sent to colleagues about the DNS data. So it looks like Durham's actually looking into the DNS data, trying to find problems here. And all he's come up with was a paper thin, not even really a lie, by Susman. We were said alpha banks lawsuit has nothing to do with uncovering the truth about DNS data, but rather with intimidating and silencing researchers who've spoken out about it, which makes sense. It's clearly abusive, quote, so I'm willing to call it out for what it is, which is a John Doe lawsuit for a fishing expedition. Now, among those subpoenaed was Daniel J. Jones,

a former investigator for the FBI and the US Senate, who is perhaps best known for his role in leading the investigation into the CIA's use of torture in the wake of 9-11. That's Dan Jones. He runs the Democracy Integrity Project, a nonprofit in DC, whose stated mission includes efforts to research, investigate, and help mitigate foreign interference and elections. Not just in the US, but our allies. In 2018, US Senate investigators asked the Democracy Integrity Project to produce and share detailed analyses of the DNS data, which it did without payment.

That lengthy report was never publicly released by the committee, or anyone else, until a week ago. When Jones and TDIP filed their own lawsuit against Alphabet. According to Jones' complaint, Alphabet had entered into a confidentiality agreement regarding certain sensitive personal information Jones was compelled to provide as part of complying with a subpoena. But on August 20th, Alphabet Attorney sent written notices that it was challenging portions of the confidentiality agreement.

Jones' complaint asserts that Alphabet intends to publicly file portions of these confidential exhibits and outcome that could jeopardize his safety. And this would not be the first time Jones provided testimony. Under confidentiality agreement ended up in the public eye. TDIP's complaint noted that before Jones met with FBI officials in 2017 to discuss the Russian Dessa campaigns, he was assured by two FBI agents his identity would be protected

from exposure, and any information he provided to the FBI would not be associated with him. But nevertheless, in 2018, House permanent select committee on intelligence, the Hipsy, the House Intel committee released a redacted report on Russian active measures. The reported blacked out Jones's name, but a series of footnotes in the report named his employer, and included links to his organization's website. Jones's complaint, but a series of footnotes in the report named his employer, and included links to his organization's website. Jones' complaint spent several pages detailing the thousands of death threats he's received after the report was published online.

Now as far as the report goes, as part of the lawsuit against Alphabet Jones published 40 pages from the 600-page plus report he submitted to the USN in 2018. From reviewing its table of contents, the remainder of the unpublished report appears to delve deeply into details about Alphabet's history, its owners, and its connections with the Kremlin. The report notes that unlike other domains, the Trump Organization used to send mass marketing emails, the domain had issue, male1.Trump-email.com, was configured in such a way that would have prevented it from effectively sending marketing or bulk emails, or at least prevented most of the mis-evs sent through

the domain from ever-making at past spam filters. Nor was the domain configured like other Trump organization domains that demonstrably did send commercial emails. Also, the mail1.trump-email.com domain was ever once flagged as sending spam by any of the 57 different spam block lists published online at the time. It's not spam. Quote a large amount of marketing emails were emanating from that domain. It's likely some of the receivers of those emails would have marked them as spam.

Spam is nothing new on the internet. Mass mailings create easily observed phenomena such as wide dispersion of backscatter queries from spam filters. No such evidence that's found in any of these logs. However, Jones's report did find that the mail 1.Trump-email.com was configured to accept incoming email. Jones site's testing conducted by one of the researchers found that that server was rejected messages

with an automated reply saying the server couldn't accept messages from that particular sender. This test reveals that either the server was configured to reject email from everyone, or that the server was configured to accept only emails from specific senders. The report also puts a finer point on the circumstances surrounding the disappearance of that domain just two days after the New York Times shared its DNS data

with AlphaBank's representatives. Quote after the record was deleted, on September 23, 2016, AlphaBank Inspectorum Health continued to conduct DNS lookups for mail1.Trump-email.com. In the case of Alphaphabet, this behavior persisted until late Friday, on September 23, Moscow time. At that point, Alphabet ceased its DNS lookups of mail 1.Trump-email.com. Less than 10 minutes later, a server assigned to Alphabet was the first source in the DNS

data set, 37 million DNS records, by the way, were examined. Less than 10 minutes later, a server assigned to AlfaBank was the first source in the DNS data set examined, the first source to conduct a DNS look up for the server name Trump1.contact-client.com. That's the new one. The answer received was 66262133.29, same IP address used for the previous one that was deleted in the days before. No servers associated with Alphabank ever conducted a DNS lookup for this new server before and the next DNS lookup for that server didn't occur until October 5, three of those five up originated from Russia. A copy of the complaint filed by Jones against Alphabank is available.

So the assessment indictment refers to the various researchers who contacted him in 2016 by placeholder names. Tech Executive One, we know now, researcher One and researcher Two. The tone of the indictment reads as if it's described a vast web of nefarious illegal activity, although it doesn't attempt to address the veracity of any specific concerns raised by the actual researchers. For one example, quote, from in or about July 2016 through at least in or about February 2017, however, originator 1, researcher 1 and researcher 2 also exploited internet company 1's data and other data to assist tech executive one in his efforts to conduct research concerning Trump's potential ties to Russia. Quoting from emails between tech executive one and the researchers, the indictment makes clear

that Durham had subpoenaed many of the same researchers who have been subpoenaed and or deposed in the John Doe lawsuits from Alpha Bank. Today, Alpha Bank has yet to name a single defendant in its lawsuits. In the meantime, the assessment indictment is being dissected by many users on social media, who have been closely following the Trump administration's inquiry into the Russia investigation, and the majority of the social media posts appear to be crowdsourcing an effort to pinpoint the real-life identities behind the placeholder names. At one level, it doesn't matter much, which explanation of DNS data you believe,

there's a very real possibility that the way this entire inquiry has been handled could negatively affect the FBI's ability to collect crucial and sensitive investigative tips for years to come. That's an important point made by Krebs, who in their right mind will volunteer confidential information to the FBI if they fear there's even

the slightest chance that future shifting political winds could end up seeing them prosecuted, publicized, doxed, threatened. So this could have a chilling effect, which would be less than ideal outcome in the context of today's top cyber threats and ransomware. But given the way the government has essentially shot all of the messengers with the handling of assessment case, who could blame those with useful and valid tips if they opted to stay silent?

That's the problem. That's what Krebs wants to drive home here. But we have more to come. We'll be right back with Sabotage and the fantasy indictment link. If you'd like to get these episodes, add free. Just head to patreon.com slash mullershie wrote. You'll become a patron of this show, the MSW Book Club and the Daily Beans. I'll add free for you, just three bucks a month.

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of New York. Remember the arc of the universe's the arc of justice is long, but it bends toward the southern district. The documents were filed by Rudy's lawyers in court this past August. We just got them this week. And they indicate that Rudy is under investigation, not only for Farah and stuff,

but for his 2019 trip to Poland and that prosecutors are weighing conspiracy charges. Rudy's lawyer says, quote, the investigation is in search of possible fair violation involving Ukrainian individuals, Marie Yvonnevich, and the Office of the US Ambassador to Ukraine, and a trip by Giuliani to Poland in 2019,

and also issues involving Franklin Templeton and the funds misappropriated from Ukraine. Stolen money. Franklin Templeton and the funds misappropriated from Ukraine. Stolen money. Franklin Templeton, okay. So here's six points from the warrant that we got. First of all, they wanted communications with 12 identified individuals. They wanted communications about Yvonnevich.

Number three, they wanted retainer agreements with Lut Senko. Number four, work concerning Franklin Templeton and the recovery of stolen Ukrainian assets. Number five, that trip to Poland in 2019, we hadn't just hadn't heard about that before, and six, evidence of knowledge of Fera, of the rules, the Fera rules, which he has.

So, given that, little Jim, time to play the fantasy in Diamond League. I'm gonna be a dinosaur! No it is gonna be okay! I'm gonna be a dinosaur! I'm gonna be a dinosaur! I'm gonna be a dinosaur! Oh, they can't! It's gonna be okay! Just calm down! I can't calm down! I'm gonna be a dinosaur! All right, we have an indictment today if you had a Rand O'Rushan straw donor give yourself a point. I believe I did. A Federal grand jury in Fort Myers Florida returned in indictment on September 22,

charging a Florida businessman with defrauding the United States by not disclosing his substantial offshore assets, failing to report substantial income on his tax returns, failing to pay millions of dollars in taxes and submitting a false offshore compliance filing with the IRS in attempt to avoid substantial pennilts, and criminal prosecution. According to the indictment, for 2005 to 2016, he's natural limitations doesn't matter if you keep crime. Mark Anthony Gayatve, allegedly engaged in a scheme to defraud the United States by concealing his ownership and control over substantial offshore assets, and by failing to file and pay taxes on millions of dollars of income. After working as a certified public accountant, a CPA in the United States, and Russia, get

ve, I think that's, I'm saying it right, get ve. Allegedly became the chief financial officer for a large Russian gas company, they don't name it. As part of his compensation package, getettve allegedly received lucrative stop options and or stock based compensation. In beginning in 2005, he allegedly opened the first of two different Swiss bank accounts to hold those assets, which at one point had an aggregate value of over $93 million. Over a period of several years, he allegedly took steps to conceal his ownership and control over the foreign accounts, and associated assets such as removing himself and making his then-wife a Russian citizen

the beneficial owner of the accounts. Despite being an accountant, he also allegedly did not timely file his tax returns, nor did he file all the required reports of foreign bank and financial accounts, F-bars. Those are forms. Certain US taxpayers are required to file annually that disclose their control over assets maintained in the form bank accounts. This is the stames of Manafort went down for it by the way. And yeah, it was, it says here that his, he attested his prior failure to file the F bars and tax returns was non-wilful. You're a CPI,

dude. Too dumb to crime isn't going to work here. He's scheduled for his initial court appearance before Judge Frazier and the US District Court for the middle district of Florida, middle district of Florida. Where have I heard that before? Could it be that is the US Attorney's Office that's investigating Matt Gaetz? Did this come out of the Greenberg Proffer?

Should we be seeing a Matt Gaetz indictment soon? Will it have anything to do with offshore money? Or Russia? I don't know. But this guy, he faces a penalty of 20 years in prison for each wire for odd count, five years for each failure to file an F bar, five years for tax evasion, five years for making a false statement, three years for each count of assisting in the preparation of false tax returns, and one year in prison for each willful failure to file a tax return count.

It's going to be interesting. willful failure to file a tax return count. Mm-hmm. It's gonna be interesting. Acting deputy assistant attorney general Stuart Goldberg or the Justice Department's tax division made the announcement. IRIS criminal investigation is investigating the case. Senior litigation counsel, Stanley Okula and trial attorneys, David Zisserson and Kevin Schneider, the Zisserson Schneider of the tax division are prosecuting the case, so that's what's going on there.

So we do have an indictment. If you had a Rando Russian United States CPA, an offshore money CFO of a Russian oil company, give yourself cheese, give yourself 20 points. That's a very specific indictment. I'm gonna keep my crew the same as I did last week. So let's see that's Gates DeGeneva

Toansing Rudy and Then I I want a superseding Weiselberg, a calamari, plea agreement, and a mcconny. They've already received immunity for their testimony, per the rules of New York grand juries, but I think we haven't heard of official plea agreement announcements, so that's what I'm drafting here. And then, Trump org superseding.

I'm going to go Eric. Eric seems like he's in trouble. Eric Trump. That's 1, 2, 3, 4, five, six, seven, eight, nine. And did I pick Gates? Yeah, how about let's Enco, I'm gonna add let's Enco. All right, that is our show. Thank you so much for listening.

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