Jack - The Mueller Report: Part 1 (feat. Andrea Chalupa)

Episode Date: March 25, 2019

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Hey guys, this is AG and with me right now is Jelisa Johnson. Hello. Jordan couldn't be here, but you're about to hear the episode we recorded yesterday. Before the summary of the Mueller report was sent to Congress by Bill Barr, just probably about a half an hour ago. And we thought it pertinent to record a small blurb about the summary prior to playing this episode for you in its entirety. First, this summary, I'm calling it the bar summary, it's exceptionally discouraging,

so I feel I feel you guys right now. The top line takeaways are that Mueller did not find evidence beyond a reasonable doubt, by the way, that Trump or the campaign or any associate knowingly coordinated, colluded, or conspired with Russia. The important piece of that is beyond a reasonable doubt. The summary does not say there is zero or no evidence, and it should be clear that the Mueller report does not exonerate the president or say that there was zero evidence. Trump's campaign had a whole series of inappropriate contacts with the Russians, and then lied about it

on multiple occasions. But the scope of Mueller's investigation was very narrow as we're learning through this report. And it was investigatory in nature, not prosecutorial and not conclusive. But before I'm comfortable saying there was no collusion, I need to see the full report.

Bar quoted Mueller in the report, but we don't know in what context. I'm not saying that there's a big butt here, and like he said, no collusion. But, and then there was a bunch of redacted stuff that we haven't heard about, or that's just in, you know, unredacted in the report, what we aren't seeing.

But without the full report, I don't think we can draw any conclusions, really. Especially important to note is that Barr's summary states specifically that the no collusion he's talking about is that Trump, or any of his buddies, worked with the internet research agency in Russia or the hackers into the DNC and the D-Triple C to

conspire beforehand against the United States. And that's interesting that they specifically bring up those two instances of collusion. That's not even the kind of collusion we've been talking about this entire time, guys. What we've been talking about is whether or not Trump or any of his associates entered into any quid pro quo with the Russians for sanctions relief or policy obligations. None of that kind of collusion, quote unquote, is mentioned in the bar summary. And that is the kind of collusion that we have been trying to discuss for so long. Seth Abramson even pointed out on his Twitter

that he never accused or thought Trump had actually gotten with the Russians of the internet research agency troll farm and you know, Guchifer 2.0 and all of them ahead of time to plan all this. That was never something he was even accusing the president of, but that Mueller didn't exonerate him on those two points fully. Also is very interesting. All that they're saying here is that they didn't exonerate him on those two points fully. Also is very interesting.

All that they're saying here is that they didn't have the 90% plus proof beyond a reasonable doubt to indict or to recommend an indictment or to rise to the level of the legal standard beyond a reasonable doubt to be able to charge somebody with that. So the fact that there could be evidence that he did that and it just didn't rise to that level is astounding to me. But there's nothing in here about the kind of squid pro-crow, if you will. That we've been talking about this whole time. Exactly.

Like, did he get half a percent of the Ross Neff deal through the Qatar Investment Authority in order to relieve sanctions or ease the language in the RNC platform about Ukraine. Right. Remember? Not even mentioned in the bar summary. Now, the second part of this bar summary addresses obstruction of justice. And the obstruction piece says that Mueller drew no conclusions about obstruction of justice. This is likely because the president wasn't interviewed about obstruction.

Even the written questions Mueller submitted to him had nothing to do with obstruction of justice. And it explicitly says that bar and rosamstein are the ones that have concluded there is no evidence, sufficient evidence. Again, that's not saying there is no evidence that Trump obstructed justice. What's clear to me is that we were just incorrect to trust Bill Barr. Yeah, our justice porn didn't really work out.

We did our exactly when we did our, wouldn't it be great if there were incahutes? And we did mention that was big space peens, but I guess we just mentioned it so many times that I started to believe it. It was more funny than real. True, true. And so, hey, hats off to everyone who warned us about Bill Barr.

Right. Our support of him was tenuous at best, if not even just humorous. Yeah, yeah. But he seems to be making and drawing his own conclusions. The man who wrote, this is the man who wrote memos, to get this job that Trump put him in, stating that the president could not be charged

with obstruction of justice. And he's the one who's making the determination that the president didn't obstruct justice. Yeah, so we really should have seen this coming. Important to remember that. What concerns me here is why there were so many lies to cover up any of this and why people like Flynn and Gates got such sweetheart deals, why Manafort

was offered cooperation in the first place, even though he blew it up. What's clear, however, is that Mueller concluded that the Russians did try on multiple occasions and by mirrored means to interfere in our election. If the GOP wanted to take the findings of this report and run with them, all of the findings of this even just Barr's summary,

they need to run with all of it, not cherry-pick it, and accept that Russia did interfere and will again, and that they should take steps to mitigate that, or at least acknowledge it. Yeah, that'd be a good start. And not doing that, not taking that part of what Bill Barr has said, is indicative of the fact that there could have been these quid pro quo, uh, coordination, conspiracy, aiding and abetting, which may not have even been investigated by Mueller in the first place.

Right, like even if it's not directly related to Trump, or even let's say not even indirectly, because that's a whole different thing. Let's just say there were Republicans doing their own thing, you know? It could have been. Yeah. Still unanswered, is if the Trump campaign

was helping the Russians or at least acquiescing, just not to the legal standard of beyond a reasonable doubt. And only in those specific lanes of collusion and not the other ones, the quid pro quo ones, for policy and exchange for ease of lifting, easing of sanctions, we don't know. And also in question is why so many investigations went unfinished, so shortly after Bill Barr was appointed by Trump. Something else to explore is Trump's policy surrounding Russia, and we've kind of already dove into this because, again, the letter from Barr does not state, there were multiple offers, or excuse me, it does state that there were multiple offers from Russia-enffiliated

individuals to assist with the Trump campaign. This is why we need to see not just a full Mueller report, not the bar summary, but the Mueller report, but we also need to see the accompanying underlying evidence that he supplied, and we know he supplied. What knowledge did Trump have of those offers to assist with his campaign and did those offers influence his policy toward Russia,

even if he did not act on them in a cooperative way? That's the kind of collusion we've been talking about for the last year and a half. That's the kind of quid pro quo I want the answers on. And I don't know if Mueller even investigated it, but I think Congress is, and we need to see that in the report. Absolutely. Pelosi said that. She did. Yeah.

So top takeaways, we should not have trusted bar. The bar report does not exonerate the president or his associates or his campaign. We need to see the full report and call Mueller and Rosenstein to testify. This on its face and at the moment will not be enough to impeach as it is right now. This bar report gives Trump the ammunition he needs to pardon his buddies. That's important. And this gives the president extremely good talking points in 2020. This will energize his base. So now we are not only up against the Russians and up against a giant piece of shit. Now we're up against his base, which is going to be energized by this. And that's the one thing I'm confused about why this went down this way. And I just, I don't know if this whole thing was usurped by bar and Rosenstein, or that's

why I really need Mueller to testify. Oh, yeah. So, we need to focus on the issues in 2020. And we need to stay on top of the state investigations into the inaugural, the Trump org, and also not just the state DA and AG investigations, but the US Attorney's offices, investigations into the inaugural, the Trump org, the Trump foundation, the Trump campaign, and his kids. And finally, we do not know what Mueller's findings are.

We only know Barr's summary to Congress, though he did quote Mueller saying he did not find collusion. But I don't think he would have said that knowing, like he wouldn't have said that because I think he knows at some point the full report will come out. But I think that's why he narrowly defined it as no collusion as far as Trump and the Internet Research Agency and Gucci for 2.0, getting together ahead of time and planning this whole thing. That's just that narrow lane that he's been, quote, unquote, exonerated of.

And again, it's not no evidence. It's just we didn't have beyond a reasonable doubt. And again, there may have been some level of coordination, but not enough to rise to that standard. So as we've said, Mueller was never going to bring charges, unless the evidence was overwhelming. We knew that. But Barr found a way to submit

his findings without releasing any of the underlying evidence. And we may find that the underlying evidence could be enough to impeach, but we may also not. That might not be it. It depends on the scope of Mueller's investigation. Did he even look at Quid Pro quo type of collusion? Right. It's really falling into Congress's court now. It is. And we've been saying that Mueller is not the Messiah. Right. We can't save us. Right. We have to depend on ourselves, which is why we elected a Democratic House. And we now we depend on them to investigate this fully. Right. And then going into 2020, November 3rd, that's back on us.

We got to vote again, because Trump might, he said he might not get impeached. He might be on the ballot again. Yeah, he might. And he actually might have more support now based on the cursory bar summary findings of, quote unquote, no collusion, which is just applying to a very narrow definition of collusion.

Uh-huh. Finally, the idea that there are any sealed indictments. The bar reports says there are none. We know that there are sealed indictments on the docket, several dockets, however, we do not know, nor have we ever known if they belong to Mueller or not. I personally, I'm not counting on that. I'm counting more on the state AG and DA investigations

in the U.S. Attorney's Office's investigations and the Congressional investigation. I'm counting more on the state AG and DA investigations in the U.S. Attorney's Office's investigations and the congressional investigation. I think we're up to 19 separate federal agencies continuing these investigations. So it's now in the hands of the House Dems to get us the whole story. And we will be following it.

I seriously doubt that Trump will take a hard stance against Russia and that they actually did interfere in our election. So we have to run on the issues in 2020. We have to vote in numbers too big to manipulate in 2020. And in the interview, at the end of this episode, which you're about to hear, and it's entirety that we recorded yesterday, we posited that he would leave it up to us. And it appears that he is.

And we were talking to Andrea Chalupa and she said, we are the mullers we've been waiting for. Oh yeah. So that was just a really prescient and important point that she was making and we've touched on it before. I'll be extremely upset if the house doesn't finish the obstruction piece because that could set a dangerous precedent. We need the full report and we need the underlying evidence. Absolutely. So guys, chin up. I know you're probably taking it from all sides on social media today.

I know we are, but remember these were very narrow lanes that that bar summary is reporting on no collusion pieces. And that it doesn't fully exonerate him of that, means that he could have done some of that. He could have participated in some of those behaviors as well, just not to rise to the level of chargeable. Exactly. Yeah, and Nixon was never officially charged.

And that whole case went through ups and downs. I feel like we really just have to resist. You know, and that's a sound so cheesy, but this is when we push back, you know, it's not going to be easy the whole time. Yeah, and be careful with the mainstream media right now because they are just simply reporting no collusion. And they aren't defining those lanes that we've talked about. They are saying, obviously, the obstruction was decided

by Barr, but that he determined there wasn't enough evidence to charge, or, you know, he might also think that even if there was enough evidence to charge, that President shouldn't be charged with obstruction of justice, which he said in multiple memos, it's what got him the job in the first place. All right, so that's it and enjoy the episode. We love you and we'll see you Monday night. We're starting the daily little daily drops. Yeah. Alright guys, I've been A.G.

I've been Julie Stonson and this is Muller She Wrote. This is Joyce Bant and you're listening to Muller She Wrote. Mueller's she wrote. So to be clear, Mr. Trump has no financial relationships with any Russian oligarchs. That's what he said. That's what I said. That's obviously what our position is. I'm not aware of any of those activities. I have been called a surrogate at a time or two in that campaign. And I didn't have, not have communications with the Russians.

What do I have to get involved with Putin for? I have nothing to do with Putin. I've never spoken to him. I don't know anything about a mother than he will respect me. Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. So, it is political. You're a Communist! No, Mr. Green. Communism is just a red herring. Like all members of the oldest profession I'm a capitalist.

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And they're going to be overlapping for a while. We still have Bijanki on's trial in July. We've got Stones, Trial in November. And then there's just going to be all sorts of news that comes out from all the spin-off investigations from Muller's probe, if you will. I have a shout out to Brad Hutton, that's Aaron Hutton's husband, who fell off a ladder spectacularly rescuing their cat from a tree. I wish you had gotten that on video, because I feel like the cat might have planned it. Anyhow, get well soon and thank you for loving pod cats enough to break your bones for them. Very cool, Brad.

Thank you. Yeah, I get better, dude. My dad's back is really messed up right now and I just got back from taking care of him actually and yeah, it's brutal. I think it's a herniated disc but backs are a trip. They are. The hub's has two bulging discs right now. It's just giving them like the like wicked headaches.

Yeah, awful. So get on the mend and keep saving podcasts because they're important. Anyway, without out of the way, it's time for everyone's favorite news segment corrections. It's time to stay. It's time for me to say I'm sorry. Oh, I made a mistake. Alright first, to everyone who sent me emails saying that Earth Day is April 22nd and not April 21st, it was originally April 21st.

And if you don't believe me, check out the opening to What Are We Gonna Do by Drama Rama released in 1991 when Earth Day was still April 21st. Everybody knows today is her day. Merry Christmas. Happy birthday. All right, here's a correction from the midweek episode. We were trying to figure out what a trigger fish was. Apparently they are cell site simulators, also called stingrays, very fishy. And they allow law enforcement to locate

and monitor cell phone activity by tricking phones to connect to them like they're cell towers. I remember there being some dust up last year when Fox News was putting out warnings that the deep state was caught setting up trigger fish, which makes me wonder if someone in the White House leaked that anyway. Thanks for that information on what the trigger fish was. We received one email saying the term dirty Sanchez was too politically incorrect, even for us, even though I disagree on many levels. in the spirit of fixing it, when there's no skin off my back, you know, like why would I fight to

say something that hurts other people's feelings? We've decided to rename the Dirty Sanchez to the Dirty Burt Reynolds, since it's about the mustache. So there's that. Jordan, can you add that maybe to the FAQ? Oh sure. What a Dirty Burt Reynolds is, because I think it'll come up. Sure. On our website. Or just that we've renamed. Sure.

Out of, in the spirit of political correctness. I've also received some emails saying my complement sandwich is actually a shit sandwich because the compliments are the bread and you name a sandwich by what's inside. Fair. We also got some recommendations like calling it a compliment Sunday. Someone referred to it as a fluff stab fluff. Either way, I love putting your corrections

so keep them coming. Fluff stab fluff stands nicer than shit sandwich. True. Yeah, that's... That's amazing. Yeah, poop sandwich. Sounds like a brutal day for a amazing. Yeah, poop samples. Sounds like a brutal day for a pillow. Flushed tapcloth.

Yeah, or just another day as a pillow. Or somebody who works in the porn industry. A Gricka law is a noun of the first declension in Latin, not a verb conjugation. Thank you. It's a farmer, not too farm. So thank you. It's been friggin' 25 years since I took a Latin class.

The pronunciation of Trump's golf club is derailleur. That's the one I was trying to. It's a Doral, it's Idiot land. And Maddo isn't married, but she isn't a long-term relationship and she was actually fishing this weekend when the Mueller report dropped. So our canoeing, canoe- canoeing story may have been true. Can you do that? Yeah, I like that. We can all go together too. It can be like a trip, you know, like for the whole group. Yeah, yeah. Like news camp. All right guys, it was a huge week. So let's jump

in with just the facts. All right guys, there was a lot of stuff that happened before Friday and I think Friday might have erased it from our memories. so I just want to go through all the news that happened before the Mueller report dropped. We don't know what's in the report. We know that Barr is reading it. He was supposed to give a cursory summation of the report to Congress today. He's putting that off. It might still happen this weekend. I think

that that can only be, I think that might say something, I'll let me know. If it were a completely exalibatory report and it just completely cleared the president of everything, I don't think he would need time to review it. I think he would just come out and say there was no collusion. So this may be indicative of something more. We also know that the report was supposed to just be what he indicted and what his declinations were, what he declined to indict, but that the report was more comprehensive than that. So there's a lot of material in there that just has to be gone over. So now I want to read into it too much. I want to, we'll go over the report when I read the report, basically.

We already know Trump's going to say it exonerates him. We've known this. Totally clears the president. We've known this the whole time. I was still not prepared from the onslaught on Twitter of just all these Trump supporters who come out of the woodwork and tell us like, oh, your podcast was for nothing. Okay.

Yeah, I don't know where in the podcast this whole pep talk should go that I've really been steaming up in my brain, but this does not change the fact that everything has happened. Greg O'Lear had a really good threat on Twitter that just lists off all the things that have happened with a big in all caps. That happened. It's like that is all shit that has happened and is continuing to happen. And committees are investigating it and other courts and US attorneys are Investigating it and it's not anywhere near being done and for people to think at all that this is like and it like okay There we go. That's it. I guess we were all just tinfoil head wears as old time. It's like no Don't this stuff actually happen. Yes. Don't let that shit cloud your brain.

It's still an awful administration that 1000% I think is guilty of crimes or at least major violations of policy, potentially impeachable offenses, and we'll see what happens. Yeah, and don't be sad. There's a million reasons why it could have gone this way. And again, I don't want to speculate, but it could be as simple as, you know, they don't want one centralized target by Trump and Trump supporters and Trump allies. You know, he's already been handing these off and like we've been talking about it's like a cancer.

It's insidious. They're tendrils everywhere. Those still all exist. The end of the molar investigation doesn't mean the end of all those other investigations. Right. The bots are just trying to distract us from that fact. Exactly. Yeah.

And can you imagine like, were we as amazing as I would have been for it to come out and be like, all right, troops get it and died it and he's not president starting tomorrow? Like, that would be amazing, but that's obviously not what was going to happen. No, and we knew that, and we've been talking about it and talking about Mueller's role as an investigator and not a prosecutor and I think we we've prepped sufficiently for this. So we're still here. We're not changing our name. We'll keep reporting on everything that continues to go on and everything that has come out of the Mueller investigation. So don't worry. Everything is still the same. Like, do you know what I mean? It's all still funny. Yeah, it's all still funny. Yeah, I think there was this feeling in the

air that it's like, you know, the second that dropped and that news dropped, it's just a new day and everything, you know, is different now. It's really not. No, it's not. And we will be here to tell you all about it. So let's head all the way back to Sunday. Here's one thing that's happened. We learned from a check news outlet, Chuckisflocking News Outlet, that FSB, formerly the KGB, did it, in fact, have two large Russian hacking operations set up in Prague.

I'm so dumb. I've called it the strong as steel dossier and I was like, the what and huh? 1141. 1341. And as we all know, the steel dossier had alleged that Michael Cohen had gone to Prague to pay off Russian hackers in the summer of 2016. Cohen still denies this, though a mobile phone in his name was pinged near Prague during that time. These firms closed down in 2018 after being

broken up by check counterintelligence. So Steele was right, again, when he said Prague was a sort of hub for Russian hackers, yet another piece of the dossier corroborated. And those are the facts, but here are the beans. Either Cohen was in Prague and he's lying because he has changed his story on this, or Cohen sent a proxy to Prague to pay off the Russian hackers, and he had one of Cohen's phones with him. Either way is bad for Cohen, right? Yeah, definitely. I mean, unless he's told all this to special counsel, it's in those redacted pieces that

we don't know about as part of the cooperation that got him off with no additional jail time from the special counsel's office, which is feasible. But I don't know. We'll find out at some point, maybe. Speaking of Cohen, we got Unsealed Lawrence from the raid on his properties last year. So, these warrant show us that there were two kinds of violations investigators were looking for. They were looking for bank fraud violations and subject violations.

The bank fraud violations were fall statements to banks. They include the tax fraud, taxing medallion, shit, wire fraud, false bank entries, and they call those the bank fraud offenses. And then there were the subject offenses, which include illegal campaign contributions, campaign finance offenses, and conspiracy, as it pertains to both of those things. Those are called the subject violations. But there's an entire redacted section called, quote, the illegal campaign contribution scheme, which is fully redacted because it's part of an open

and ongoing investigation. That's what the document said, which means to me, they are looking to charge additional people, perhaps not in the molar investigation, but that, as we all know, Cohen's been handed off to the Southern District of New York. Probably the Trump Organization executives who signed the checks, maybe even Trump himself

could be implicated as an unadided co-conspirator, we don't know. Perhaps if they won't do it while he's president, they'll wait until he's not. But this redacted section is like almost 19 pages of material. And that just says to me, it can't just the the McDougal and Stormy Daniels payments. There has to be something else going on here. And another huge clue to there being something else going on was that Mueller had probable cause that Cohen was acting as a foreign agent as early as

July 2017, breaking Farah, the foreign agents, foreign agents registration act, basically lobbying Trump on behalf of Russians or Russian interests. So that could be part of the illegal campaign contribution scheme. We don't know yet. Finally, my favorite part of this story is a lot of what was recovered from Cohen's iCloud was only able to be retrieved because of a lot of Trump signed last year. Initially, when Fed's asked Google for all the documents from Cohen's iCloud or Google Cloud, excuse me, Google Cloud account, they refused. a lot of it, Google's like, no.

But thanks to the Cloud Act, the Cloud, the Russia Cloud, they were forced to hand them over in April of 2018, including Gmail materials, emails, Google Drive stuff, and Cohen's address and contact list from Google. As we know, this case has all been handed off to the Southern District of New York. Like I said, we will keep following it. It is not over.

So, there are open and ongoing investigations. And we know that because this week, the Cohen warrants were released. There are redacted parts of it because of open and ongoing investigations. So that is not over. We have some Epstein updates this week, including something really horrible. We learned Sunday, at least you reported about this in the midweek episode. That sweet heart deal he got from Alex Acosta, whose Trump's current labor secretary.

We know Epstein got off with kind of jail and a small fine like he had to go to jail at night and he could be out during the day. And a small fine for having sex with at least 30 underage girls. But what we just learned is that the one count Acosta picked to charge him with was was a 16-year-old girl, so that Epstein would not have to register as a sex offender in several states, because 16 is considered the age of consent in those states.

And in a related story, they came out Wednesday from Politico. We learned that two people have come forward anonymously to request the documents in Epstein's case remain sealed. And now we know that Alan Dershowitz had actually pushed to keep the press out of this a couple weeks ago, even though he was one of the folks requesting the records be unsealed. But of these two people, one is the victim who doesn't want her account to be made public.

The other is a John Doe. So we know Dershowitz wanted several records unsealed to disprove and discredit allegations to women have made that they had sex with Dershowitz wanted several records unsealed to disprove and discredit allegations to women have made that they had sex with Dershowitz at Epstein's direction, but the Miami Herald wanted all the records unsealed, and the Appellate Court asked for any objections to be filed Tuesday, right before the deadline, one of the victims, and an unknown man, have requested the documents remain sealed. So space beans, but maybe Dersh publicly asked

for some of the records to be unsealed and attempt to look innocent while then secretly asking all the records to remain closed. Or maybe someone else entirely is making the request. We don't know, but we'll keep you posted on the course decision, that guy's gross. Oh yeah, disgusting. Yeah, I was just gonna say yeah, gross.

Yeah. And then we learned Monday that Broides offices were actually rated by the feds last summer And what they were looking for said they whole new light on the Muller probe or it's spin-offs and I'll go over that in hot notes That's true. What do we call it now? Yeah? Fuck the Mueller spin-offs. Yeah, many Mullers. Yeah, did the Brady bunch have a spin-off? I don't think so because the Brody Bunch reference couldn't apply then Damn it if it did I think it happened in a rehab center, right right. We'll think it's something It's like a happy days in LeBron and Shirley. I was named from the Cosby show spin off. I'm so glad it's not the actual

Cosby. Yeah, I'm that much removed from him. Whoo, narrowly. Yeah Let's see also Monday. We learned the case against Greg Craig. He's a Democrat and he's a lobbyist. And that was handed off to DC from New York this past January, and they're getting ready to present their decision whether or not to prosecute to the Justice Department. We have long said, if anyone has found guilty of lobbying for foreign actors without registering, they should be prosecuted and will inform you of the decision which is expected in the coming weeks as it happens. But yeah, that's a Democrat, lobbyist. He could be in trouble. Yeah. We also have an update on Deutsche Bank and it's long-running

relationship with Trump from a massive piece in the New York Times that came out Monday. Some of the highlights in that report include that Deutsche Bank knew that Trump was significantly overvaluing his net worth. But when ahead and let him him out Monday. Some of the highlights in that report include that Deutsche Bank knew that Trump was significantly overvaluing his net worth, but went ahead and let him money anyway, despite him having wellched on loans to them in the past, which is weird. Deutsche Bank is currently cooperating with the New York Attorney General and two committees in Congress. And in April, Deutsche Bank will begin handing over extensive internal documents and communications regarding Trump to those investigators.

Additionally, one of the bank execs named Rosemary Wrablich. She's expected to be called to testify publicly before Congress. So that should be interesting. I don't know the answer to this. I should reach out to some of our lawyer friends, but can a bank executive be guilty of bank fraud? Like a president being in a diet. I feel like this shit. I would believe that he should, but legally, I wonder, I don't know. Or just the CEO, not like, are they too important to indict, meaning why would you do that against your own bank?

Like, because the reason bank fraud is a crime is because it hurts the bank. But if the bank's in on it, is there, is there, because it, like, is it a victimless crime at that point? Does it matter? Is it still bank fraud? I don't know.

It's like insurance fraud, right? Like if you burn your own house down and take the money, seems like that's kind of what you're doing, right? But if the insurance person knows about it, because they never do. Yeah, would their peers have to, would her peers have to turn against her sort of,

for them to have any sort of merit? Yeah, because if I want to file charges, somebody's got to file charges, and if Deutsche Bank was in on it, would they file charges against themselves? Or is that not necessary? Can prosecutors just bring the charges regardless of whether or not somebody's filing a complaint? I think so. Good question. But I don't know.

We'll find out. That's interesting. Because I think they're in on it. Yeah. Back to your point, Julie, so though, just sort of the idea of her being too big to indict sort of, that also kind of is, I do wonder about it on that angle as well. Yeah.

You're having too big defail kind of a thing. Yeah, we've seen it with our own government. Now, imagine how Russia or, you know, Deutsche Bank's people would handle that. Yeah, it's a private enterprise, but yeah, who knows? It might be, you know, it's just going to be too damaging to The economy or whatever, but I don't know. I'll just try whatever they can to save themselves probably That's what I would do

Um actually I probably wouldn't make you wouldn't get in that position True Yeah, exactly, but it's like those kinds of you know those banks could be getting other kickbacks from people that they do acts that would be considered bank fraud maybe in one respect or something against the bank, you know? Like if they did something that on one hand could be bad, maybe the relationship they have with that person that they lent you down the line could ultimately prove to be fruitful for them in other ways. Right.

And honestly, going through the story and what you guys were reporting on it, Jordan, you reported on it midweek, it just sounded like they wanted to go forward this because they stood to make money off of it. And again, like you said, there were other, probably other things in the pipeline that they would have benefited from from saying yes to these loans. Yeah. My favorite story of the week, Jordan, is yours. You covered it in the midweek episode. It involves Devon Nunez, a cow and his mom, but not his real mom. And of course, not his real cow.

Not a real cow. So you'll go over that in hot notes. I'm excited. Yeah. So remember when we reported on Bezos, he's the guy who owns Amazon and the Washington Post. And he outed AMI and the inquirer and mentioning the Saudis, they mentioned the Saudis in a medium article saying he's been being blackmailed by them threatening to release dirty

text messages with his mistress, Lauren Sanchez. If Bezos didn't come out and publicly say that the inquirer was not politically motivated, you know. He dropped that whole article in medium. But the Wall Street Journal reported Monday that Michael Sanchez, the brother of Lauren Sanchez, that's Bezos' lady. Lady friend. He sold the text messages, Michael sold the text messages of his sister to the inquirer for $200,000.

This took place after AMI had signed a non-prossecution agreement last September with a Southern District of New York and its investigation into the hush money payments to Trump's mistress, former Playboy model Karen McDougall. And as of February 8th, we know that federal prosecutors are weighing if AMI has violated that non-prossecution agreement by committing more crimes, like this kind of extortion thing. And I think extortion counts as a crime.

Now we know that it was St. Michael Sanchez, Dirty Brit Reynolds, who is the one who got paid $200,000 to hand over his sister's text message. That's a Lamborghini or something, right? That's a lot of money. What a dick. Yeah. Has anyone spoken to her yet? I haven't seen any statements from her yet.

I mean, either. Yeah, because that's kind of shitty on the family front. Yeah, like is it working? Is it just to get a literal bro? Yeah, well apparently a Dirty Burt Reynolds, Michael Sanchez, Dirty Burt Reynolds, has been working with AMI and choir and doing stuff like this for a long time.

He's a Roger Stone friend. He's just a, Oh, that's his life, basically. Rebirth Reynolds has been working with AMI and choir and doing stuff like this for a long time. He's a Roger Stone friend. He's just a... Oh, that's his life, basically. He's a crappy dude, so. Yeah. I don't know why. Like, just, you know, don't have affairs with anyone

who's friends with someone who hangs out with Roger Stone. Just don't do it. It's like, how do you vet all your, you know, lover's friends, too? That's tough. That's a tough position. This is a great point, lover's friends too. That's tough. Yes. Tough position. This is a great point though. I will always ask for details on siblings now.

Oh, yes. Yeah. Get an FD302 from everyone here. Not you. Especially if you're a zillionaire. Yeah. Seriously. You know, I don't assume nothing. Yeah, totally.

White House is digging its heels in on all requests from Jerry Nadler, as we knew they would, and many of the other oversight committees in Congress or the Intel Judiciary. Basically, all the documents from the 81 requests mainly that have been handed in to White House is helping zero. But Bannon, he's got the same lawyer as McGahn and previous, remember, and now Hope Hicks are both handing over evidence. Specifically, Hope Hicks will be handing over information covering four areas. The firing of Jim Comey, Trump's statements on Air Force One regarding the nature of the

June 2016 Trump tower meeting, Flynn lying to the FBI, and I'm assuming that that has to do with if Flynn knew, did he lie to Pence? Who knew what when that whole situation? And also maybe Flynn's leaving. Remember, we learned about Flynn's departure that he didn't actually, or he did resign. He wasn't actually fired by Trump. And then also Trump's involvement with the campaign finance felony hush money payments that we know he's implicated in in the

Cohen indictments. We've also learned this week that the White House is refusing to hand over communications between Trump and Putin to three House committees seeking the documents and witness interviews. This, of course, will escalate tensions between the White House and congressional oversight, and committee members have not rolled out issuing subpoenas to force compliance on that. I wonder what they're waiting for. There's probably a, some sort of government thing that says you got to wait 60 days, so you got to give them this much time, and then you got to get it approved by these people. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. Government should just take so long.

Right, right. Lot of red tape. The White House wants to review the Mueller report first for executive privilege. We knew that early this week before the report even dropped that the White House wanted to review it first. We learned, of course, of course, he wants to know, I mean, it makes sense. Trump wants to know what's in the report before it's made public because that's what innocent people do, right? But no, I mean, he also just, you know, he feels like his team needs to check it for executive privilege, which he has the right to do.

We know Democrats are ready to subpoena the full report. We know they're willing to call Mueller to testify. I'm really not too worried about this point at this point, what's in the report or when we get to see it. I'm sure we will. But as we've been saying all along, most of these cases have been handed off. What's in the report and what's held back and what's subpoenaed and what Mueller testifies to really doesn't have anything to do with all the other investigations that we're following although I you know obviously I'll be

glued to my TV if Mueller testifies or if the if the report is subpoenaed I do want to read the report don't get me wrong I want to know what's in there I have a feeling though and I don't want to speculate too much on what's in it that Trump will say or I think the report will say that Trump obstructed justice, and everything else has been handed off. We know for certain that Trump's legal team is ready to exert executive privilege, been saying this for months. So that shouldn't be a surprise. When it happens, and perhaps collusion will be addressed, but we simply don't know at this point. I really see this as a way to, like I said, decentralize

the prosecution now that the investigation is over with, but I'm certain we'll know what's in that report soon. So don't worry, I think we'll get it all whether we have to get it through subpoena, whether we have to get it through interviewing Mueller. It's just, again, one tiny piece of the entirety of the investigation into Russian collusion of obstruction of justice. Nice. I'm sorry. I just had a quick question, A.J.

What do you think about the people that say they're disappointed in Mueller? Do you feel like he's done his job, like regardless? Because it seems like, like you said, with him being investigator, that he would have completed his job, right? Regardless of what the outcome is. Yeah, I can see why people who maybe don't listen to this show would be initially upset thinking that all the indictments should have come out and prosecution should have come out from Mueller's investigation. But, you know, as we've been saying, and we know Mueller

is an investigator in these matters, not a prosecutor. Now, he has prosecutors on his team, and he has handed off these cases to prosecutors on his team and prosecutors in other US attorney's offices. And there's even now state AGs and stuff and DAs doing these things. So looking into these things. So without seeing the report, it's hard for me to say whether or not I'm disappointed in Mueller, but if his job was to investigate, I'm totally fine with all of the investigations that have been handed off to prosecutors. Right. That's enough. Yeah. They've come out of this. The collusion part, I'm interested to see what it says about that.

Yeah. I mean, we've been saying since the beginning As our haters have confronted us throughout this entire project What do you do if it comes out that there was no collusion? Are you gonna admit fault with Mueller says there was no collusion? Yeah, we will and it's not fault. We're following whatever. I'm getting defensive now But you know my point we're reporting on a thing. Yes exactly reporting on a thing. We're reporting on reporting on a thing Reporting on a thing. Yes, exactly. We're reporting on a thing. We're reporting on reporting on a thing.

We've been watching that trailer from it. But yeah, no, obviously, I don't want to speak for everyone, but I think I can. We trust Mueller 100% in his abilities and what he's done. And if he is saying, I'm not going to pursue any further indictments, then okay, I trust him more than, like, I mean, I trust him more than like, and I don't really follow FBI guys like baseball cards, but he's the most bad ass one I seem to know about. He could say no collusion.

My next question is I didn't have enough evidence to prosecute collusion. Right. Now that doesn't mean there wasn't any, and that's something that's important to note as well, just because he didn't have the evidence beyond a reasonable doubt to prosecute collusion or crimes of collusion, which we know as conspiracy, eating and abetting wire fraud Rico. It doesn't mean they didn't. It just means he didn't have the evidence to do it. We could also find out that he says, I can't tell you yet, I've investigated collusion and I've handed those cases off to prosecutors and you'll find out from them. That could be what he says.

Yeah, totally. Either way, Trump is gonna claim executive privilege and say that it exonerates him. Yeah, either way. For sure. We knew that, he's quiet right now, he's golfing. Right. But we know that that's what he's gearing up for.

I mean, well, I assume we're gonna talk about this in your hot note probably, right? So I can just hold my comments to Lenny. Oh, more about the report? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, we are. Yeah, I'm gonna cover some. to Lenny. More about the report? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. We are. Yeah, I'm going to cover some. Okay, cool.

Interesting new developments. We learned Tuesday, Cambridge Analytica, never really shut down. It just changed names. We knew that kind of. We knew after Cam Anna filed for the British equivalent of chapter 11 bankruptcy, a new company funded by the Mercers, which are Trump supporters, was stood up called Emma Data. And it was headed up. It's headed up, still headed up by Nick's and Wheatland.

Those guys are both on NADLERS list of 81 people. The news here is that the two court administrators responsible for shutting down the company were actually paid a million dollars almost by the mercers and acted on behalf of them by obstructing the investigation and preserving the data that came that that came out of hat on their cloud, so they could transfer it over to Emerda. They also tried to liquidate the company before the investigation into the company could be completed. That seems like obstruction of justice. The hope in a lawsuit filed against Cambridge Analytica is that the court administrator will be fired and the high court will pass the case to government receivers who would appoint a new administrator willing to investigate the legal breaches at Cambridge, Analytica, and

five other interrelated companies, by the way. Wow. Yeah, so they got arms. Earlier this week, Mueller was due to respond to a request to unseal documents in the Manafort case. Mueller responded two days early, saying, guys, we're really busy this week. We'll respond on April 1st, if that's cool. Now, we know what they were busy with. It seems as though they were busy with finalizing the Mueller report.

We will find out April 1st, what Mueller thinks about unceiling the Manifort Cooperation information. I think it will speak volumes as to whether or not the Manifort case and cases into collusion are actually finished. Because if he doesn't want those unsealed, that means he probably still investigating. It's open and ongoing. Yeah. case and cases into collusion are actually finished. Because if he doesn't want those unsealed, that means he's probably still investigating. It's open and ongoing. Yeah. And who does he hand it off to? Maybe DC? I don't know. Yeah, a lot of this is reading between the redacted lines and I think the average person just doesn't have the time. No, they don't.

And that's why we're here. Also, this week, Mueller dropped a court filing responding to Corsi's lawsuit asking for all the counts to be dismissed. And Julie, so you'll have that for us in hot notes. It's like Corsi's suing everything. Oh, yeah. There's a huge news that dropped Wednesday involving a new piece of information that we didn't know in the Flynn story. We hadn't heard it yet.

This is fresh. Fresh. And that's in my hot note as well. If you can see kind of a theme going into the hot note, opening on going investigations maybe. Felix Seder also, good ol' Seder, he'll testify this week partially publicly, March 27th and behind closed doors on the 28th. He also lied to Congress about the Trump-Tarrow Moscow,

so we'll be keeping you posted on that. At this point, we don't know what Mueller did with all the congressional testimony transcripts. He was sent a couple months ago and looking into. I don't know where that is. I don't know if he's looked through it and said, I didn't find anything else. Or if he didn't hand it off or if he says, that's open and ongoing. I can't tell you.

We don't know. Also Wednesday prosecutors advised Rick Gates not to cooperate with the House Judiciary's Committee investigation. Committee's investigation of Trump, because he's part of an open and ongoing investigation. Gates' lawyer has said, however, that he could assist with their investigation in the coming months, just not now. And as we know, Mueller asked for an additional 60 days

to sentence Gates, that's his fifth delay. The letter from Gates' lawyer also went to the House and Senate Intelligence committees, which we know are investigating Russian conspiracy specifically. We also learned Friday that Mueller has handed off the Rick Gates case to the US Attorney in DC. There we go. Found that out today.

I have a question. Yeah. Let's say the House subpoenaed Mueller, one of the various committees, and there's an ongoing investigation that he started, but then handed off. Is he still not allowed, right? He's still not allowed to talk about them at all under the exact, he'd say the exact same thing. Yeah, he'd say I can't talk about that. Part of an ongoing investigation.

Mm-hmm. Okay, cool. I think I feel like that's what's going to happen, but I mean, again, I don't want to say what's in this smaller report. Yeah, I guess it's kind of a no-brainer that he still wouldn't be able to talk about it, but then it's also kind of like, well then I know there's so much to hear from him, but that means there's a lot of the juicy stuff that we won't be able to hear. Yeah, until it's done without the other. It's going to be a wild fuck.

I know. But the gates was handed off to DC, and Stone was handed off to DC. It makes me think that any of these potential conspiracy or rico things, I'll tell you about it, Mahana. Yes, sorry. One more question. Yeah. Also, so, Muller was using the grand jury, right, when he passes those cases off, do those other district courts and attorneys now get to utilize the grand jury in the same way?

From my understanding, yes, that grand jury is still assigned to these cases. Okay. Cool. If any attorneys know for sure, hit us up. Yeah, I've asked a few and the response was, yeah, I believe so. Okay. Cool. We know if the grand jury is disbanded, then if they wanted to have a convene another one, they would have to convene another one, but this one knows all the stuff. So what? Yes.

He extended it for six months. Maybe thinking all of his handoffs would be wrapping up in six months Even though he was gonna get ready to drop a report soon So he can get the fuck out of there and not be a target anymore. Yeah, and not make the AG or the deputy AG A target anymore because they're overseeing him. What month is that six month deadline? Do you remember? Yes And of April nice. Wow, that's coming up. I think it was in November when they extended it.

Okay. Jean-Gela Auguste-Temper, October, November. Yeah, because it went from May, 18 months to the following November, six more months, to the end of April. Yeah, you're like that gift right now. We're at, what's this name, Zach, Gaffa, something, he's got the numbers all.

Galvanacus, yeah, yeah. It's like you see that one with the ring. The ring, the ring. Yeah, yeah, doing the math like that. It's impressive. Um, let's see, we learned that Cindy Yang helped Chinese tech stars get $50,000 photos with Trump and that the origin of the payments is under scrutiny. I'll be covering that in my hot note as well.

In Kushner news, Friday, we learned that Kush is providing records to the House Judiciary Committee for its probe into obstruction of justice. Chairman Jerry Nadler had sent Kush a letter requesting information about a wide range of topics which included the firing of James Comey, his role in the 2016 Trump Tower meeting, his knowledge of Trump Tower Moscow and the Hush Money Payments, almost almost like Hopix, what she needs to hand over to. But the Hush Money Payments Trump made to carry McDougal's stormy Daniels. This comes on the heels of reporting Thursday that the House Oversight Chairman Elijah Cummings has obtained information that Kushner had used WhatsApp and his personal email to conduct official government business and they gained confirmation from Kushner's attorney Abby Lowell that Kush continues to use the encrypted messenger for government business. Lowell had confirmed that Ivanka had received official work emails on her personal email

account that she has failed to forward back to her official government account, which violates the Presidential Records Act. So yeah, lock them up. Yes. They'll refuse to admit the hypocrisy in that, right? No one's ever come out and be like, oh, I'm so sorry, Hillary. That was messed up of us. Yeah, no, they won't.

Don't say it's okay for them, but not okay for her. And some of this information was probably classified too. That will make a difference to Trump supporters either. Did you see Hillary's response to a tweet? It was like, oh yeah, tell me about it. Tell me about it. I didn't see that one. It was like, yeah, someone was pointing out the hypocrisy, you know, and then I can't believe

that he that his father-in-law ran his entire campaign on using a private email server on Hillary Clinton. Yeah, tell me about it. Nice. Yeah, she's funny. Chairman Cummings also noted in this letter to Kush that the White House has failed to provide a single document to the 116th Congress in this or any other investigation. He has given the White House until March 28 to confirm that they plan to comply with the requests

or he will have to consider alternative means to obtain the information. Those are subpoenas. I'm assuming he's not going to send a guy with a bat. You can't watch the board, yeah. Right. We're going to reenact the operation. Stellar wind is going down. Cracks, knuckles. Cracks, knuckles. Cracks, knuckles.

I like your subtitle, boys. Yes. Two interesting appointments this week. First, Audrey Strauss, the lawyer who bested Roy Cohn. That's Trump's OG fixer. That's his original fixer. She's been tapped to be the number two at the US Attorney's Office in the Southern District of New York. We were worried about the vacancy left by Rob Kuzami

That's the lawyer who secured the conviction of Michael Cohen because Berman the US attorney there the number one guy Had recused himself from the case for undisclosed reasons and we feared a Trump ally would be installed to oversee that case since he can't So this is very good news Additionally Berman's new chief counsel is Craig Stewart, another organized crime expert. And finally, we learn that Brandon von Grack, a Mueller team member, is being tapped to head the new Farah division at main justice. They're creating a whole new division

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Lookin' awesome. Hot notes. See me see ya. All right guys welcome back. Today Jordan you have my favorite story of the week involving Devon Nunez, his mom, and a cow. But first, Jalisa, you have the Mueller motion to dismiss Corsi's lawsuit against everyone. Yes, I do. So in response to Corsi's suing Mueller for allegedly spying on him, leaking information to the press and coercing him

into a false testimony, Mueller filed a formal request last week to dismiss Corsi's lawsuit on all four claims. Corsi into a false testimony, like he's got one of those, like a thing he's swinging in front of his eye like you're getting right or like the get out movie the little tea yeah coursing so like a coursey pun option no that's not gonna work just trying it out you know you gotta try gotta try yeah you miss a hundred percent of things you don't try exactly so Mueller states that one coursey falsely claims the government violated his fourth amendment rights

by surveilling him to that they leaked information to the press, three, that they committed abuses of power by threatening him with prosecution in prison if he didn't provide a false testimony, and four, that they interfered with Corsi's business and contractual relationships with his publisher and bookseller. You prosecuting me of these crimes interferes with my business. You owe me a book. No one reads your books Then on Thursday the US district court judge Richard Leon rejected course

He's request to preside over his lawsuit against Mueller and judge Leon said that he rejected the case because it was not related to any Previous cases he had presided over so now the case will be overseen by US district judge Ellen Siegel who have Vellay I think that is, and Corsey and his attorney Larry Clayman were not happy about this. They argued that Judge Leon has presided over similar cases regarding illegal surveillance. In fact, Clayman said in a statement that Judge Leon has quote, one of the few jurists in the nation who has the nonpartisan independence and courage to stand up and hold legally accountable special counsel Mueller.

However, Judge Leon said that having the case of signs in him would undermine the process in which cases are randomly assigned to judges operating within the district court. He also threw a little shade at claimant for once claiming that the judge had been quote, co-opted by the so-called deep state. And in a press conference after the hearing, claimant called the decision wrong while on the other hand course he called it a victory adding that he will continue to push the lawsuit through the highest levels of the court system if necessary course he said quote we'll find the next judge and see how fear the next judges yeah he's the worst I know I thought that he was like

done being the worst for a second and now he's just back to being the worst. I know. I thought that he was like done being the worst for a second and now he's just back to being the worst. Yeah. He's determined. You know, and what happens without investigation? He had a whole plea agreement, ready to go. He said, FU2 and I guess it's just going to be handed off too. Is he holding out for the Supreme Court or something? Yeah, he's just stalling, right?

That's what I think we just want to keep it going up and up so he can just be more famous and sell more books. It just sounds like him to me People are calling him on like a conservative subreddits and stuff. They're calling him a hero Corsi for standing up to Mueller. I know it's garbage standing up to Mueller fuck off those people Those are the people who watched Harry Potter and think wormtail is a good guy Exactly, yeah, he doesn't end up being a good guy, does he? I don't know that in the end I don't think warm-tailed us. Yeah, he's the one that turns into a little rat. Ah, yeah

It's very symbolic of his character. I think he was always a rat. He's the weaselies rat. Yeah, but Snape ended up being good Oh, yeah, that's who yeah, yeah All right, defense of the dark arch teacher All right This is the best This is really really the best. Yes, it really is Yeah, it's the comic relief we need this week. Yes for context Devonenez is related to my ex boyfriend because once

Ages ago when we first started the podcast I made a comment about how I thought Devonenez was attractive Slightly and it's been following me ever since so we don't let you live it down. Yeah. So he'll forever be called my ex-boyfriend. And we let you break up with him. Yes, then you broke up with Roy. That's right. Yeah. Very supportive friends. Yes, I had to leave the relationship.

And now he is completely embarrassing himself. He's suing not only Twitter, but a few different Twitter accounts, essentially, for mocking him online. He's suing them for defamation and he's also suing Twitter for negligence. And the chances of him winning and going anywhere with this lawsuit are slim to none, just mainly because defamation is a pretty hard thing to prove and negligence to prove it. You would have to... If you were gonna say that Twitter was negligent

in the sense that they didn't do something to, they had some duty to stop people from saying horrible things then Twitter would be getting sued thousands of times a day. So there's kind of a precedent set right now on social media and how that works in the courts, that these sites are not upheld to the sort of security forces and the thought police on there. So there's so many things about this that are amazing.

He's suing them for $250 million in damages. And he's the, and the Twitter accounts, I gave you the wrong name in the midweek episode. It's not at Devon Nunez Cow, although that is an a cow with good tweets. The main one is at Devon Cow. The ad. So that's that's the one that now has more Twitter followers than Devon Nunez himself. That's amazing. More than twice as many I think. Yes. It's incredible. I have such faith in humanity when these things happen. It's like when Jonathan Oliver, Jonathan Oliver, no one calls him that. Oh yeah. It's like you do him well. Very formal. Yes. Oh, Jonathan. Mr. Jonathan Oliver. When he did that parody

book in response to Mike Pence's. Yeah, Thunder. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, that it's sold like a so many copies. That's beautiful. It's the best of humanity. You're totally right. Definitely. That's great. Yeah, so the plaintiffs in this case, it's Twitter Incorporated. Elizabeth, a Liz, quote, mayor, mayor, strategies LLC, Devon Nunes' mom, that's at Devon Nunes' mom, if you wanna drag it out.

And the doc Kim's mom. Yes, yeah, these are the plaintiffs. That's crazy. And then at Devon Cow, that's Devon Nunes' cow. They're suing the cow for $250 million. Don't have a cow, man. Right, so they're suing the cow. They're suing the cow for $250 million. Don't have a cow, man. Right.

So they're suing the cow. They're suing the mom. I'll fake, of course. And the lawsuit states, it's great. It's great reading. It's out there in its public. You really have to read it just to see these words. It puts its tweets.

I think the human centipede tweet is in the real. It's not. Oh my goodness. It's insane. So when the plaintiffs like get involved, do they have to show up at this point, even though I might get thrown out? Cause I want to see the cow show up.

That would be amazing. Yeah. No, I don't know. I have no idea how far it's going to go. I don't, I don't, I'm in a mountain attorney. So I can't say anything really for any sort of certainty with any sort of certainty, but I can't imagine it's going to get to that point where they would actually.

Man, that'd be awesome. I don't think it would take much of a that point where they would actually. That'd be awesome. I don't think it would take much of a lawyer to get these dismissed. Right. Just for the Atrix man, Devon Nunes mom showing up in court, just like yelling at him will be great. Yeah. What the lost dude, the lawsuit says, like Devon Nunes mom, Devon Nunes cow engaged a

engaged in a vicious defamation campaign against newness just like devon nunes is mom devon nunes is cow dot dot dot that is one of the best sentences I've ever heard. Yeah it's hilarious it's a it's a it's a great thing that's just assumed in this statement. Um they they launched a vicious defamation campaign against Nunes that lasted over a year. Devon Nunes' cow has made, published, and republished hundreds of false and defamatory statements of and concerning to Nunes, including the following. Nunes is a treasonous cowpoke. Devon's boots are full of manure.

He's utterly worthless. Oh, dearly. And it's past your time to move him to prison. Dude, who does to this person? This comedic genius. That's a lot of puns. Yeah, because maybe I don't know on stage if that would work, but in the context of all of this is brilliant. It is just golden. It is. It is golden and it's amazing that it's actually in those

court documents. It's like suing the onion for defamation or SNL. Yeah, I like, so there's a few things that's so amazing about this. The first being that Devonun has co-sponsored a bill called discouraging frivolous lawsuits a hacked once. So that's an amazing irony that just vote for to sponsor the bill. Yeah, he co-sponsored it. Yeah, so he obviously is never letting that down. A lot of the news headlines. That is what their headline is. Co-sponsor of the Disco-aging frivolous lawsuits act brings lawsuit against people who are mean to him online. Crazy. It's so funny. Another thing that I thought was interesting, I was just reading

up on, you know, some articles predicting how this case is going to go. And they referenced a case that happened in 96 with someone named Sharon Yeagle. She was an assistant in the Student Affairs Office at Virginia Polytechnic Institute. She sued their school's newspaper for defamation and insulting words because they published an article of her and underneath the quote at the phrase director of butt-licking. Director of butt-licking. That's what she was doing. It's amazing. Yeah. And then it's referred to as like the butt-licking case. Director of butt-licking case. A director of a gay.

That's how you do it. Yeah, it's so funny. But essentially the important thing to learn from that is that in that case, the US Supreme Court protected language that is insulting offensive or otherwise inappropriate as long as it is just rhetorical hyperbole, which is 1,000% what these tweets from these accounts fall under that are talking about. Newness, as you could tell by the one I just gave you,

move him to prison. Incredible. That does not sound like a serious, I mean, I feel like if you're personifying yourself as a cow, you can throw it out as rhetorical hyperbole. You would think, yeah. You would think. So we'll see where that goes. Thank you so much, Jordan.

God, that's hilarious. I know. It's going to have to be just dismissed and short order, but I wish it would go on for a while just. Just for laughs. My taxpayer dollars would happily fund that shit show, circus, for just a little while. Yeah, yeah.

Let it go down the history books. Yeah, amazing. Goodness, new news. Well, thank you guys. Thank you for your reporting. Oh, oh, I'm so sorry. I forgot another thing. Oh, yeah. Goodness, new news. Well, thank you guys. Thank you for your reporting. Oh, oh, I'm so sorry. I forgot another thing. Oh, yeah.

That's what. Okay, so this is actually, I'd like to play a clip here. I can send it to Jelisa or I can do it the janky way where I just literally play it through my iPhone's speakers. What can you do to my microphone? We can see which one is so close. I'll just get the clip in there. If you're on Twitter, then you've probably seen this video going around, but it's a video of Devon Nunes on C-SPAN a long, long time ago,

defending people that were yelling the N word at John Lewis at a protest. And he says, I think people have every right to say what they want. If they want to smear someone, they can do it. All right, yeah, let's listen to that clip. Here are a lot of angry comments yesterday, aimed at a couple of your colleagues, including Barney Frank and Congressman John Lewis, using the N word as some of the protesters in sheer at Hennessey walked through the halls of the Capitol. Yeah, well, I think that when you use to a child's area in tactics, people begin to act crazy. And I think there's people that have every right to say

what they want. If they want to smear someone they can do it. It's not appropriate. And I think I would stop sort of characterizing the 20,000 people who are protesting that all of them were doing that. So yes, I would regret not adding that at the end. That's amazing. I would regret not adding that at the end. That's amazing. Awesome. All right, guys. I know everyone is speculating about the contents of the Mueller Report this weekend, and why there

were no additional indictments, especially considering all the things left undone. We have a few thoughts on the matter, I do. But I wanted to remind everyone about an important development we learned a couple weeks ago that the Department of Justice is now planning to escalate its crackdown on foreign influence operations in the United States Some might not know this but a new appointment was made by Bill Barr elevating Brandon von Grack to head the new Ferra enforcement unit. That's the Federal

Agent registration act foreign agent registration act as we know, Von Greck worked on foreign influence in the Special Counsel's office for Bob Mueller. We have to note that the majority of the RICO charges I've been talking about for the past several weeks are potential RICO charges, conspiracy, aiding and embedding. The ones I've been talking about for the past several weeks fall into that designation.

And I wanted to go through a few of the big cases today that might be handed off to the fair unit now that Mueller has wrapped up his investigation. First we learned Monday that Feds raided the offices of Elliott Brody last summer looking for documents and files related to China, Saudi Arabia, Prasem Michelle, the United Arab Emirates, George Nader, Michael Cohen, and Qatar. So whoa, let's go through this because we've reported on all of them in the past. Elliott Brody is the former deputy finance chair of the Republican National Committee, until he had to resign for paying a Playboy Model $1.6 million to get an abortion.

Michael Cohen also held the post of deputy finance chair of the RNC. Both Cohen and Brody sold access to the president. The feds were also looking for information on Brody's work for Jolo. That's the Malaysian guy who worked with Praz Michelle, a member of the Fougies, to a launder money from one MDB. And the Brody was apparently paid $75 million by Jolo to pressure Trump to drop the investigation into him. So there's an obstruction of justice charge for Brody.

And Qatar, well, what if Brody is the hub for the laundering and distribution of the commission of the sell-off of Rosnift through Cutter and the Cutter investment authority? That's all beans, but there's roughly $280 million floating around out there somewhere for a .5% commission on the sale of Rosnift that was distributed through, could have been the NRA, the RNC, the inaugural, the Trump org, piece by piece through presidential access slush funds maybe, like essential consulting, did it go offshore? All of these would be crimes that could fall under Farrah. Absolutely. So the feds were looking for documents related to China, UAE, and Saudi Arabia. You have to wonder if Brody was the money-londler for illegal Middle East GOP money and Trump campaign contributions. And if Cohen was the Russian money guy. Not to mention, we learned this Wednesday that Cindy Lang, who was also selling access

to Trump, might have been using Chinese businessmen as straw donors to funnel foreign donations into GOP coffers. Basically, there are now examples of Chinese business execs, taking selfies with Trump, along with $50,000 receipts for those selfies, but when asked, none of these businessmen made those payments. So follow me here. Cohen was funneling mostly Russian money to the GOP as the deputy finance chair of the RNC by using straw donors such as Vexelberg and Traderon Cooquez and other Russian power emigres and shell companies like Columbus Nova. And he did all that through its essential consulting.

Then we have Broidy using some shell company we don't know about yet, using straw donors to funnel Saudi and UAE money into the GOP coffers as the deputy finance chair of the RNC. We know from reporting in the New York Times last year that Broidy worked with Nader to steer the White House towards policy benefiting United Arab Emirates and the Saudis, and that Nader had offered Brody over a million dollars in private security contracts. Brody owns a private security company, just like Eric Prince did. And we all know Nader was at the Seychelles meeting with Carole Dmitriev, a Putin proxy, and George Nader.

Nader, a former convicted Kittie porn distributor, has been given partial immunity by Mueller, and he's been cooperating. We also know from the New York Times that Brody tried to use his influence with Trump to force a Chinese dissonant out of New York and back to China to curry favor with China and get paid for it. And that sounds awfully familiar to Flynn and Bijan Keon getting paid $15 million by Turkey to force the Turkish-designant Goulin back to Turkey.

As we know, Flynn and Keyon were guilt of violating Farah, and speaking of Flynn, we learned this week in a filing from B. Jean-Keyon's lawyers that Flynn might have also had contact with Carole de Métrieve. Because during discovery in the B. Jean-Keyon trial, Keyon's lawyers asked for all material from Mueller associated with Flint. Mueller said, you can't have it all. So Keyan's lawyer said, OK, how about these eight things? One of which was all documents related

to communications between Demetri of, the Putin guy from the native Prince Seychelles back channel meeting, and Flynn. That is the first time those two have ever been linked. And Bijan Keyan's trial starts in mid-July. Flynn is the star witness in that trial. Finally, we have Cindy Yang selling selfies by the C-shore to Chinese businessmen and using foreign money to pay for it.

How did she get the money to the RNC? I have beans maybe on Steve Wynn, the third disgrace deputy finance chair of the RNC who had to resign for being gross to women. In report out this week, Yang is now under scrutiny by the House and Senate Judiciary and Intelligence Committees. The heads of those committees wrote a letter to the FBI urging them to investigate Yang due to serious counterintelligence concerns surrounding her company, claiming it could

provide Chinese clients with access to Trump. She's also under investigation for possible sex trafficking and the recent indictment of Patriot's own or Robert Kraft, who was incidentally made a sweetheart deal of no jail time and 100 hours of community service in exchange for admitting he did it, and he turned the deal down, which I thought was weird. Maybe he knows this isn't just prostitution and that these girls were trafficked. He doesn't want to admit to soliciting to them, Julie. So you brought that up in the midweek review. So good thing to point out there. Anyhow, the Democrats are looking into her activities

surrounding selling access to foreigners. And the request was endorsed by Pelosi and Schumer, who called the reporting very concerning. Oh, oh, and Rick Gates is mentioned in the Brody case. So maybe along with Manafort, one of the several open and ongoing investigations, Gates is cooperating in with that prompted Mueller to ask for the 60-day Continuance and Gates sentencing. That's his fifth delay, like I said. He's mentioned earlier in the show, as I mentioned early in the show, prosecutors

have advised him not to give testimony to Congress because he's still part of an open and ongoing investigation. So there, those are all the upcoming conspiracy, wire fraud, obstruction of justice, aiding and abetting computer fraud, and abuse campaign finance violations. All of that, possibly re-go. And even though these might not be charged by Mueller's team, they could very well be handed off to other investigators such as Southern District of New York or the new Farrah Enforcement Unit, head up by the man who has been investigating them all along. Let's also not forget that Mueller is an investigator, as we've said a million times. And the prosecution springing from the Mueller investigation

were either handed prosecutors on his team who were granted full authority of US attorneys. That's why they called them, we call them mini-molars, or to other US attorney's offices. There is the other part of the 18 redacted pages in Cohen warrants, the Cohen warrants released this week, in that section called the illegalegal Campaign Contribution Scheme. There is a huge redacted scheme from Flynn's sentencing memo as well, and there are 800 redacted

pages from the Manafort Court filings. And if there's enough evidence to tie Trump to it, you can bet your beans he'll be named as an unididecocon spiritor by any of these prosecutorial teams. So we do not pretend to know what's in the Mueller report. The ending of the investigation might simply be part of a plan to protect the investigations. Maybe it was shut down early for other reasons. We just don't know about.

Joyce Vannt says on Twitter that Mueller has stayed carefully within his lane, sending cases that strayed from his core mission to US attorneys and DOJ divisions, and that these career prosecutors will work their investigations to a conclusion, even as Mueller closes shop. Greg Olyar, like you were saying, Jordan, did this great threat and remind us that timing is everything and that the other investigators may have been waiting for Mueller to turn in his report before springing into action.

And Mueller's investigation may have been hindering congressional ability to investigate these matters, because as you know, everyone who testifies to Congress says open an ongoing investigation So it could be that but either way we don't know what we do know is that be Jan Keon's trial is in July and Roger Stone starts in November We will be covering it. So no we aren't changing our name No, we are not closing up shop There are too many open and ongoing investigations that do not end simply because the molar report is in. So we're not going anywhere. Hylia.

I love it. Also, sorry, it's Oliar, I didn't know that. Yeah, Oliar. And the Hylia. That was amazing. Thanks. Lots of stuff. Still out there.

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I also think, for my own brain, taking this to the most depressing logical conclusion, I think that is conceivable, which might be the a diamond set of been dropped. Are it, let's say, all of the other investigations don't lead to any sort of charges. That's like worst case scenario, in my opinion. If that happens, the gut feeling that these things are in a grigious offense on our democracy is a valid feeling,

and that means that our policies and laws need to change. That's what should come from that. Mueller has to act within the scope of the language that already exists, and if he wasn't able to do something with what was so clearly obviously fucked up and wrong and not okay, then the laws and the language need to change over time. And I think that's what the House Congressional Communities are going to get into. And I'm like way more, I'm like even more passionate about this right now than I was before, especially after hearing you list off all that stuff.

That's all really messed up stuff. That's not okay. That's why I'm super happy about the new Fera enforcement unit that didn't exist before and now will exist because of this investigation. That's awesome. Yeah. And Mueller is not a lawmaker. You're totally right.

He can only do so much. Yeah. And we assume that the reason that he didn't indict the president is because of the policy and department of justice that you can't indict a president. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. It's going to be a long time, I think,

till we know it happens in all those investigations and everything, but even like, you know, with Donald Trump Jr., we know that these people lied. We know that they lied under oath, and for some reason they weren't punished for it. Why? Or will they be punished for it later? Like sessions and so many of them.

Yeah. And if they're not punished, then something needs to change. Yeah. Molar might be, and we've talked about Molar, the kind of guy that he is, he's into justice in the public knowing the truth. And he might say, I want to save that for congressional hearing, so that it's all out there. And nobody can stop it. Nobody can redact it. Nobody can hide it. You know, and nobody can interfere with it. Yeah, yeah. But yes, that's me jumping to my most pessimistic outcome in my brain. It's easy to do.

You made a good point though. Yeah, yeah, it's good to prepare. Yeah, it's always nice to be prepared. If this is it, and none of this ever gets resolved, it still happened. Yeah, and it's honest to change it, you know? Yeah, and the lawmakers. Yeah, we do need regulations that have more teeth.

Because like you said, if Mueller wasn't able to get any convictions out of this for these clear and obvious crimes, then our system is broke. Yeah, it just points to how fucked up it is. Yeah, yeah. And we need to fix it. And that's what our job is.

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to end all sabotages? The Mueller report has been issued. Barr is reading it right now. He said he was going to give a conclusive or a summary of it to Congress. Apparently, it's longer than he thought, I guess. Maybe he didn't think it'd be that long. And then he thought, and he was like, I'm on these some more time. So Trump is golfing.

He's reading it. I know Rosenstein was in the office today too. I'm sure that he's consulting with him on the report. I think it's good news that he's not just immediately coming out and saying no collusion because I feel like he would if he were like, you know, all up in Trump's program and trying to be, you know, hide stuff. Or if it just said no collusion, I think it's more complex than that. I'm not going to pretend to know what's in it.

And what's really weird is that as we record this episode, we don't have his summary when this episode is released, we might have his summary. So you guys might be, you know, listening to this now, knowing some shit we don't know because of time travel. So, anyway, it's guys, we've already pretty much covered it. It's here. The Mueller investigation is over, but the Mueller prosecution's continue. Yes. Definitely. So, and also on the topic of Trump not tweeting, like a crazy person, over the last 24 hours. Again, a Saturday for us. So, the question was, do you think he's doing that? Someone thought maybe it was your beans coming

true about Mueller saying he needed to resign. He needed to be quiet and resign in exchange for him not prosecuting him criminally. That would be so nice but I didn't really like a gag order was on that or something. I don't think that's it. Those are super space beans that I don't believe in but it's beautiful theory. But yeah. It's just unlike Trump. It would be ideal but he would go out swinging if history is taught us anything. unless he was trying to save his business Yeah, but yeah, I don't know. I don't think so I honestly think that he's being quiet because Emmett flood He took Emmett flood with him tomorrow logo, and I think Emmett flood is like just keep your fucking mouth shut for just a minute Dude, there's a Trump tied up someone once that report comes out

Go nuts exactly shut your fucking mouth right now. First of all, because you would really depress more than half of the country. You're just going to make enemies on that kind of a, you know, a gloaty sore winery kind of a thing and he may be the winner and he may have every right to gloat. I don't know yet, but that's just a bad look. But nothing has ever stopped Trump from having a bad look before. So I honestly don't know I think Emmett flood maybe he's like putting it just put a golf club in his hands took the phone away put a golf club in there

And so just go golf yeah, yeah, like look at him. I'm lit at your omelet bar and shut the fuck up. Mm-hmm stuff your mouth with an omelet That's you know, honestly, I think that's why he's being quiet is because he's listening to his advisors to do that Yeah, he'd be smart too. I'll give him that much credit. Yeah, I think that it's kind of what you said, don't trip the finish line thing. We're right, fucking there. Just please be quiet. Please be quiet and don't get us into another horrible media cycle. Oh, yeah, because you're just going to.

It could only be bad for him. Yeah. Yeah. And I said that to our listener that asked us about that, and then just a correction, the theory would be threatening his business if he doesn't resign. Right. Not necessarily. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Not necessarily threatening the criminal prosecution. That's why when she's like, I think you'd go down swing and I'm like, not if he could save his business. Right, exactly. There's money. But I also just on the topic of the news cycle, it makes me wonder what the news cycle is going to look like now that this has come out sort of, and I feel like there's a sort of sense of, you know, maybe not reporting things as much as breaking news whenever any

sort of leads come about from something that's related to the molar probe. Do you think it's going to be the same? Do you think it's still going to be treated with the same sense of urgency by like CNN and MSNBC all the time now that it looks like The investigation is shifting. I mean it is it's shifting out of the molar side of the house Well, looking just looking at the investigations that have already shifted outside of the molar side of the house I don't think it's gonna stop. I mean cone was Handed off a long time ago. Stone was handed off a while back

Manifort, yeah, well, he, he stayed with the man of fort, but the stormy Daniel stuff, like it's all, I don't see it. I don't see it. It dying down? No. Yeah, because they do cover the major things involving people that have been passed on like he said. So as long as there's like major news they'll cover it, but yes, as far as day-to-day stuff,

that'll probably be yes. Plus all the house and senate investigations that are still ongoing, those will always be covered too. There's a lot of news. I mean, stories about Trump bring them ratings, to be honest. Yeah. So I think that that's what the people are interested in hearing. And rightfully so.

So it's like a win-win for everybody, but yeah. We all lose, really at the end. Oh no. Yeah. We all lost in 2016. That's for sure. Yeah. So, we're not out. Do you still have your own podcast?

Yeah, it's complicated. What's so complicated about a podcast? That's the name of the podcast, remember? Oh! Will you still be exploring topics that the name of the podcast, remember? Oh. Will you still be exploring topics that help us understand the week's news? You bet. But we'll have a new name because we're

going to be working together to explore complicated issues that are dominating the news. Working together? Yeah, you're hosting it with me, remember? Oh, right. Wait, does that mean our podcast is going to have a steam op segment? Let's not get carried away. But we'll discuss hot new legal topics, so check out our new episode,

coming soon to everywhere you get podcasts as well as YouTube. All right, you guys ready for the fantasy indictment leak? Yes. Yes. I'm gonna be a dick! No way, it's gonna be okay. Cudding dick. A diner! Cudding dick!

I'm gonna be a diner! I told you they can't, it's gonna be okay. Just calm down. I can't calm down, I'm gonna be a dick! Alright, fantasy indictment leaked this week and again, just because the Mueller report is in and there are no more indictments, so quote unquote, coming from the Mueller investigation, that doesn't mean, as I said,

the Mueller investigation is over, the Mueller prosecutions continue. I think that's a good tagline. We'll stick with that for now. All these prosecutions have been handed off or somehow related, you know, I get to say if they are not. So I have the last word. Like if anything happens in the booten of case, I think that that counts.

Stuff like that. Okay. I was going to say also it was brought up the other day that the FBI can also continue their counterintelligence investigation or we could see a more expanded counterintelligence investigation on behalf of the FBI. So how would that work? I think it would go to the Department of Justice. They would take, because the FBI counterintelligence into Trump, Russia was part of the whole entire

thing that was handed off to Mueller, so anything left would be sent back to the Department of Justice. Okay, because the FBI would be the people who were doing that. Okay, cool. Yeah, I was curious about how that would all sort out. Okay, cool, thank you. All right, and I think Jalisa goes first this time. Oh, cool.

In the fantasy indictment league. All right. And then Jordan and then me, because I went first last time. Yeah, so I'll go ahead and start it off with Brady. Boop, boop, burr-ready. Jordan? I'm gonna do Tony Fobreizio.

You know what? I will say I love that impression. Someone did email us saying that we only make that weird noise for Italians like as if we don't do it with other ethnicities. We're perpetuating the mob culture. Right, right. So apologize. I'm sorry guys.

I think it's innocent, but maybe this person was Italian. They were offended. Yeah, honestly really I'm just going by the My Blue Heaven. Yeah, I'm totally movie based right now. Yeah, I'm making it. It's an old school way of thinking. We're brainwashed basically. Sorry. It's not our entire fault. We love you all. I'm gonna go with Manifort. Cool, I'll do Eric Prince. That guy's a dick. Jordan? Um, super seating stone. I'm going to go with a sange.

Oh man. There was a little tweet. It was a false alarm, but apparently someone tweeted that he was arrested as he understood a military poor drop, but turns out it wasn't true but I did hear though that his that the uh... what am I trying to say that I'm a see what's around it yeah yeah yes yeah maybe that's what I thought he was arrested yeah that's but I think that was confirmed though that he was or was not no that it was surrounded oh surrounded

yeah yeah that makes sense to increase presence. Yeah. Yeah, to get picked. Cool. Thanks. I'll go with Cedar. Mmm, WikiLeaks. Good. That was gonna be my next one. A.M.I. Oh, yeah.

Corsi. Yeah, dick. Trump inaugural. Oh, Trump inaugural. That's different from the Trump campaign. That's different from the organization and it's different from the committee. Yes.

Which one's the committee? This is Tom Barrick. Trump inaugural. Got it, got it. The one that Tom Barrick. There's the committee to re-elect the president or are you talking about the- That might be the one I'm confusing it with Cush Uh, junior

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We are welcoming back a great old friend of the podcast. She's not old, but she's an old friend. You know what I mean. Her name is Andrea Chalupa. She's co-host of Gaslit Nation, an incredible podcast. If you haven't heard it, so hey, Jelisa, roll that interview. Joining us today for the interview is journalist and author of Orwell and the Refugees.

She's the co-host of Gaslit Nation. Please welcome back Andrea Chalupa. Andrea, thanks for being on Mueller, she wrote. Thanks for having me on such a historic weekend on the day after the Mueller report finally dropped. I know it's insane. We've been getting it from all sides on social media people are saying, oh you're gonna change your name. You're gonna quit the pod. What are you gonna do with your life now? Like I don't have four other jobs. Right. It's pretty funny. So it's intense. I mean, the whole all of it is intense. And like the you and I were talking about

this earlier before the interview, it's like this massive sweeping international crime syndicate. And you ladies are just living historians of it, you're documenting it, your librarians of this whole whole whole ocean of corruption. So you can't go anywhere. No, we won't be. And thank you for the kind words, by the way. I appreciate it.

Of course. So I suppose the first thing, the first thing we should address is the Mueller report, which has made its way into the hands of Bill Barr on Friday. Yes, I mean, we knew it was coming. I honestly didn't think it'd come so soon. Mostly because Jared and Ivanka and Don Jr.

were walking around freely. And there wasn't any chatter about the three of them other than some big revelations in the media, you know, like the WhatsApp story, the in the private email story with Jared and Ivanka, communicating with, you know, carrying out foreign policy over WhatsApp. So, you kind of saw that those relations were coming out.

So, you were kind of hoping for indictments of the kids finally, since they were so central to the campaign, the transition team. And of course, Jared and Ivanka are de facto Pres. United States, who are abusing their power to this day. So I think I was really shocked by how suddenly it came on as like, oh, it's here. Like how did you feel about it? Yeah, it was it was shocking to us as well. I mean, we knew it was coming and I knew it would at least be put off by a month or a month and a half because of the government shutdown. But I guess month or a month and a half because of the government shutdown, but I guess I guess you're just never prepared for that day. No, no, no, you never prepared for a premature baby.

I totally, even though you know it's coming. Yeah, yeah, no, it's it's it's interesting. Joy Vance on Twitter just reading before you called. She was saying that what, since there's so many loose ends that are getting delegated out, right, to other districts, New York, Virginia and DC, what that indicates in part is that Mueller's, even though he had a larger directive, as he had a wider scope as it granted by Rosenstein,

like he's still stuck to being narrow. And that could be because of how politicized everything had become. So he just kept very disciplined within the lines and a very narrow focus and sort of farmed out all the other, you know, of course, presumably, hopefully, presumably the kids, certainly Don Jr. to the other districts. Yeah, and that might have been one of the reasons for the Mueller report and the, you know,

the shattering of the quote unquote, Mueller investigation is of now we've known. And you've been talking about this, we've been talking about this. He's farming out a lot of different things to different attorney, US attorney's offices. And I know that some state AGs have picked up a lot of these on a lot of these investigations.

So of course, Congress is investigating, and this might be, and this is obviously just speculation, none of us know what's in the report, but this might just be a way to decentralize the mudslinging. Do you know? There's 17, what, 19, a whole bunch of other investigations that have sprung forth from this Mueller investor, this Mueller probe that are continuing on. They're opening on going investigations in other offices and other units. And we learned just before I called you that bar was supposed to maybe release a summary of

the Mueller report today, but it sounds like he's not going to, which says to me. And, of course, this is just speculation because I haven't seen the report, but it sounds like he's not going to, which says to me. And of course, this is just speculation because I haven't seen the report, but it sounds like it's just not as simple as no collusion if he needs more time to review it. Oh, I mean, absolutely. I saw that too. And so he's probably just, I don't even know why he's wrapping his head around. Um, bars should just give it, just give it out. Like they, as people are pointing out, the star report was a massive gone with the wind, books like doorstopper, with just disgusting, like literally disgusting levels

of detail, that much of which is simply we're not necessary, we're done to inflict as much damage politically on the Clintons, but that was just handed out. Like you had newsies on the street saying, here's the star report. So Barr really sitting on this thing and soaking it in for whatever reason. Yeah, I mean, hopefully, I mean, he promised it today,

promised he would at least breathe the Democrats. And I just, I just hope he doesn't sit on it for too long. There's really no need to give in like the level of, I mean, certainly everyone's saying, because it ultimately at heart, it is an investigation into one of the worst terrorist attacks on the US, which is what the Kremlin did in 2016 and who was complicit in that. And so obviously there are some things that must be kept confidential,

certainly because because many of these investigations are ongoing and there's national security considerations, but ultimately, like, that all eyes are in him now. And so it should have delivered something today, but to your point, it is interesting, like, what is he mulling over? Is it like the chaotic tantrum that his boss and Florida might throw or the meltdown or like how he's trying, I don't know, that there's something in there that was worse than he expected. He's trying to figure out how to, I don't know, but there's something in there that was worse and he expected, he's trying to figure out how to, I don't know, all speculation. Yeah, and I'm not sure that he wouldn't have not,

or like he, I think he would have known, at least, basically, what was in the report before he got it. I'm assuming he was briefed in, but, you know, one never knows, but I think it's important to know that you were talking about the farming out of these investigations. We also know Van Grack who's one of the prosecutors from Muller's team has been tapped to head the new Ferra Enforcement Unit at the Department of Justice which was the Foreign Agency's Registration Act which becomes significant for all the pieces of this investigation

that never got wrapped up that involve foreign money and influence like the inaugural, the NRA, Brody. You know, we found out he was rated a year ago and was selling access to the president, maybe even Yang, Cindy Yang, selling access to the president using straw donors and of course Cohen with his essential consultants stuff. That could all simply just be, you know, they might have had to create this whole new unit to hand off all of those things to it too. And if you know the whole Trump machine is creating all these new crimes, requiring new

new units, yeah, that's innovation and crime, innovation and corruption, that's like the real innovation that's going on into this government. Yeah, no, I think, and in one of the comics, I listened recently to your great interview with Jonathan Van Ness of Queer Eye. He is my best friend. He doesn't know it. I'm obsessed with that show. So I was so jealous that you were on his podcast talking to him. I thought a point you made it in your discussion with Jonathan

was really interesting where you said that you had a theory that William Barr and Muller are friends. And I gives you faith that William Barr will do the right thing by the American people people just follow the law and not and not as his earlier memo stated maybe Where he did this whole memo trying to say argue that Against the objective justice and in the in the case of what Trump did essentially, right? And that you had a theory that their friends friends and we can actually rely on bar.

I thought that was really interesting. Yeah, I suppose we'll soon know. If that's the truth, it was complete and total speculation, but it was a hopeful one. Right. But I think even if that were the case, I know that you know, obviously they worked together for many years and I've even heard some chatter that their wives are friends.

Even if that's the case, I feel like both Molar and Bar, they're institutionalists, right? That's how people are comforting themselves. You keep saying they're upright guys, even barred, despite that memos and upright guy can count on him. I still think that even the institutionalists are gonna be outgunned here because the enemy is so brazen and the enemy is so shameless. And I've seen this for many years now, covering Kremlin aggression, where the West keeps trying to act by a certain set of rules and decency and the Kremlin just goes in and just slips

their throats. And everyone's like, wow, we did not see this coming, but they do it again and again. And I just feel like when you have Trump and Putin talking on the phone all the time, as we know, they carry on conversations. They're Putin's and Trump's ear. And when you have Putin, and when you sorry, Trump, when you have Trump repeating Kremlin talking points and choosing to believe the Kremlin openly above US intelligence, when you have Trump going to the hermit kingdom North Korea and legitimizing a man that is a mass murderer, the dictator of North Korea. And that is a regime that's propped up in large part by the Kremlin. So this is all being done in the open, like that he is.

The president of the United States is, is, he's telling us again and again, like what Mueller's uncovered, again and again, is that the president of the United States Donald Trump is an asset of he's a Russian asset, he's a Kremlin asset and and we see it and so my whole thing is that Mueller and Barr can be his upright and by the book and all of that they can be just boy scouts but boy scouts up against essentially the Russian, they don't stand a chance because I've seen how Russian aggression plays out. It's insidious. It's brazen. It's they go in as deep and as far as they can. And once they're in, they go and they push even deeper.

And they've done that inside Ukraine. They've done that in their invasion of Crimea, which was in the work since the mid-2000s. They're so good at what they do, that just in Crimea as an example, what I'm talking about. They had Russian special forces taking over government buildings, military bases inside Crimea. They had these little green men,

these Russian soldiers patrolling the streets without the Russian flag on their uniform. And they somehow managed to convince the world that this was not an invasion, it was a referendum. So you even see so-called credible sources in the West, journalists say, oh, the Crimea referendum, without any larger context. And oh, when Crimea is voted to spree off from Russia, no, no, no, it was referendum without any larger context. And oh, when Kramians voted to spread off from Russia,

no, no, no, it was, first of all, the ballot in that referendum had two choices, and they're both very similar. There's basically no choice but to have autonomy from Krain. Those are the two options on the ballot. And meanwhile, you had people being kidnapped and tortured and killed. And so what I'm saying is, is that just look at Crimea alone. Just examine Crimea alone and what they did there to see what I'm talking about. That the Kremlin is very, very, very, very, very, very good at infiltrating,

invading, and mudding the waters with disinformation and brazen theatrics to make you confused in the bay what actually happened and to the point where you get exhausted and you give up. So I don't doubt that Mueller certainly is a stand up wonderful guy in American hero and all that, but I think the institutionalists are completely outgunned here literally and and I'm really more worried about them being outmaneuvered by this this brazen enemy that's just been growing. In the last couple years alone and just spreading its influence as we've seen with the Brexit vote which had a crumbling involvement which tipped the scales with the rise of the far right across Europe that's being funded in large part by Russia. If you look at Italy today, Italy's practically an Italian, a Russian vassal state. Italy's like the whole like people love Putin and Italy. Politicians probably take money from the Kremlin. There's a seed bannons building a far helping build a far right academy inside Italy. And so I just think I don't want to say the

Kremlin's winning, but they're they're very emboldened and their influence is spreading and they've been settling, chipping away at the Western Alliance. So I really worry that the institutionalists don't have the training to take on these guys. And I think we're seeing them do the best they can by dividing this sweeping investigations, decentralizing it as you point out. I think that is a defensive move to try to protect themselves and to really hit this coalition of corruption by all sides, but I do worry about the good guys getting out

maneuvered here because I've seen that again and again in setting criminal aggression. Yeah, and all that on the heels, of course, we learned this week that the White House is now refusing to hand over any and all of those Trump Putin communications as requested by House Oversight. I think it's the oversight of one of the committees in the House, and that's just astounding.

Why would you not want to hand over your communications with Putin? What are in them? Right, I mean, a lot of Putin advising Trump on how to handle all of this, like, and how to get out of it, and so they can get on to business and ruling the world together. And I have no doubt that's what he's selling Trump on.

I'm sure he's like, you know, like tickling his ego and saying, it's you and me, kid, it's us, the world's ours. And so all of those promises, all of those ideas and deals and things things like that's that's what he has, Trump hypnotized with easily because Trump's such an easy target. But um yeah no it's it's really it is it is a very precarious time for our country, certainly as everyone knows. And I just think that when you have the Kremlin at the high infiltrating, having the highest level of our government,

it's such a delicate situation. And I think I don't know. It's, it's, it's, we are, the molar report may have arrived, but we're far out of the woods as everyone knows. Yeah, exactly. That's, That's exactly how they operate. They do things like dangle, trump tower Moscow, and then pull the rug out when they've got what they want. And of course, a lot of us are sitting here thinking, no way, trump could ever outsmart muller, but Putin on the other hand, and I'm not necessarily saying outsmart him, but Putin is, he's old KGB, man.

He knows what he's doing, and he's very good at what he does exactly right exactly right and and under him it just been this re-assurgence of uh... russian imperialism i keep he's modeled himself as a czar a hybrid of uh... the russian empire with a lot of the repression tactics of the soviet secret police and uh... you know bringing back Stalin and glorifying Stalin and throwing in prison historians

that expose Stalin's great terror and so forth. And you've just seen a lot of success stories by him just acting so aggressively. And I just think it's because the West underestimates him and has for many years. And if you want proof of that, go watch that excellent documentary. I think I've mentioned it on your show before. The final year looking at Obama's White House, the foreign policy team, and the final year as Russia is attacking our democracy. And you see Ben Rhodes, Obama's foreign policy mind on election night when

the results come in and Trump has won. And Ben Rhodes is like shell shocked, of course, like everyone was. And Ben Rhodes says to the camera, well, I guess we underestimated the Russians. It's like, yeah, you did. You absolutely did. That's a big component of how we got here. And that's, you know, Ukraine has been able to catch the Russians, like literally hacking their election results. It was a Ukrainian investigative journalist, Sergey Leshenko, who was delivered the final death blow to Manifor with the Black ledger story that ultimately pushed Manifor off the Trump campaign back in August, 2016. pushed Mana 4 off the Trump campaign back in August 2016. Ukraine had its military decimated with corruption under Yana Kovic and has still managed to

fend off the Kremlin's invasion. Like they're doing really, really well considering that Russia is the second most powerful military in the world. And the reason is because Ukraine knows the hard way not to underestimate the Russians. Ukraine is a country that should not even exist, because it was just so millions of Ukrainians were starved deliberately in a genocide under Stalin in the 1930s, and they suffered, of course,

from the greatest casualties during World War II. So it's a country that's undergone so much, and that's strengthened it in and it's and that's strengthened it in some ways, of course, to always expect the worst from the Kremlin. And to always know how the Kremlin operates and how and how to outmaneuver it. So there's so much we can learn from Ukraine because it has been a testing lab or Kremlin aggression for so many years. And Ukrainians tried to worry to to warn Obama for a very long time about the Kremlin was doing, for a very long time, I saw that, I followed that closely.

And so I just think that Americans are finally being forced to wake up to just how dirty and insidious the tactics of Russian and Russian are and how clever and how far reaching they are. People laughed at first when all the news was coming out about the bot campaigns, how did they attack us with these anonymous Twitter accounts. And then we learned they were on every single social media platform available. Right, they were everywhere with messaging targeting diverse different groups. And so they leave nothing to chance because what it is is it's asymmetrical warfare. We're the biggest military in the world. They're the underdog. So they have to be this clever. They

have to be this in city as they have to be this far reaching and they have to hit us on all sides because we're the bigger guys and That's what they do and we underestimate them because we think we're the bigger guys and and they and they at the same time What they're doing is they're exploiting our weaknesses So my big concern with having their acid in the White House and and his cabinet of kleptocrats and his de facto President of the States daughter and her husband trading foreign policy secrets and not threatening our national security in exchange for enriching themselves. My concern is that all of this vacuum of power essentially has made it possible for the Kremlin to come in infiltrate deeper, grab what they can, map what they can, get

a better sense of how we work so to further exploit everything we have going on including our weaknesses so they can go in deeper and stay in so on on our show gas station we're we're not talking about 2020 we're talking about 10 years from now 20 years from now like what our country will could could look like because of this huge foot in the door that the Kremlin got through Donald Trump in 2016 and how far that can go and what it means. Knowing the Russians, knowing what I've seen, once they're in, they do not leave. They push further.

And so that's really what we're up against. And that's why the Mueller report is just one little moment, a very long timeline of us having to confront this infiltration at the highest levels of our government up and down, including in all facets, including, you know, with how they fund propaganda, how they spread propaganda through social media bots, through useful idiots, and the West, and so forth, through funding think tanks and all of it. So it's a very long operation. So anybody, for instance, who tells you,

what are you gonna do, Mueller, sure other reports here, they don't understand what we're up against. No, not at all. It's funny, brought that up too with that documentary. And I think Issacov and Korn covered it pretty well in Russian roulette too, that final year, the Obama administration and Rhodes saying we underestimated the Russians. It's true when we did. And it's kind of,

it's frightening when you look at the big picture and that there are people who think that because a Mueller report was handed in that, oh, everything's fine and we're safe. No, we've always said, even I guess, when we had an episode called Robert called Robert Mueller will not save you. And then we had an episode on a Robert Mueller's low-hanging fruit or something like that because showing that he was going for all like the easy pieces and leaving the kids alone even though the kids were central to the campaign. You know Jared Kushner was in that June 2016 quid pro quo meeting with the with the Russians. Jared Kushner was in that June 2016 could pro-co meeting with the Russians. Jared Kushner brought in Cambridge Analytica.

Jared and Ivanka had the final say on who the VP was going to be. Ivanka helped lead the transition team. Flynn said that the transition team was the one that told him to call the Russians to reassure them. Gates and Manipur both closely advised the transition team. So Jared and Ivanka were central to all of this. They knew what they of course knew what was going on because

when you're working in politics, information is power, intelligence is power. So Ivanka and Trump as they were central, they were the masterminds and all of it. They, of course, knew it was happening. And so the fact that they have been largely untouched, and except for these exposés coming out about just how they're using their power, and literally excelling state secrets to enrich themselves. And as we saw with that whole nuclear technology deal, going into Saudis, and Jared having a really close relationship with the Saudi crown prince, and even assisting

in the murder of Jamal Khashoggi, the butchering the murder of Jamal Khashoggi, I mean, all of it just shows, you know, how they've, how cluptocratic that this, that this, this White House has been and how, and Ivanka getting like trademarks for electronic voting machines in China and Vicky Ward's book coming out saying, yeah, she does want to be president.

Like they, they see a Trump dynasty coming. So I think this is what it looks like. I mean, all of this is very obvious to anyone that studied Laptop, Racies, and other countries, authoritarianism throughout history. This is the playbook for it. It's not innovative. It's just corruption played and simple.

And people being yes, that greedy. Absolutely. And I wanted to go back to something you had mentioned because I want to talk to you about based on your expertise. I wanted to know back to something you had mentioned because I want to talk to you about based on your expertise. I wanted to know what your thoughts on the new reporting that came out this week that Kushner was using, Klan Destin, Methods of Communication, WhatsApp to speak to leaders of foreign countries.

And specifically, I was reminded of that time when the Saudi crown prince got the intel on traders to the crown. And then a month later, everybody was chased out. And I'm just I kind of am wondering like what sort of things were communicated between Kushner and the Saudi crown prince using secret messaging apps. That's insane. Yeah, no kidding. I mean, these two millennial princes over WhatsApp, um, dividing their shares

the world. Yeah, no, it was there there was something to add to that. There was some disturbing reporting. I believe it was the Washington Post where they mentioned that the Saudi crown prince and Jared Kushner would stay up, when Jared was over there, the two of them would stay up to all hours of the night until like 4 a.m., the two of them just talking late into the night and I called it like flumber parties. And but that's how close they are is they're very much, they almost have like that Putin and Trump bromance.

And they do have that Putin and Trump bromance. And and so certainly Jared had the reality of the situation for them, if you look at their perspective, they know they're in trouble. These are people who have come up through investigations. Their parents have been investigated or imprisoned. Sidevants, the Manhattan DA, look the other way in a fraud case with Ivanka and Don Jr. frauding investors in a so-called. So these guys know they're in trouble and the writings on the wall and so they're gonna do anything to protect themselves. And so what Jared is

essentially doing with his bromance with MBS is he's aligning himself with an incredibly powerful ally and doing favors for that ally with the clear intent that he can rely on the ally for intelligence for funding for anything to sort of protect him in any way. Protect his investments, protect his cursed property, 666, and that being those sort of things. So Jared knows that they're coming for him here in the US. So he's making sure that his buddy Netanyahu and Israel, and that his buddy, MBS in Saudi Arabia,

they have his back in sort of sharing intelligence with him and consultations of Shorin and how to outplay this thing and how to escape it. I mean, that's what Putin and Trump are doing. That's why they're talking on the phone all, that's why Putin and Trump are talking on the phone all the time. That's why Trump refuses to hand over the phone records and why he talks about with Putin.

It's because they're getting consulted by these very powerful dictators and kleptocrats and Netanyahu's case, Netanyahu was investigated for corruption and indicted by his own government. So it's all birds of feather flocking together, and what we're seeing really is like a new world order and alignment of these kleptocrats and dictators because by doing this, by wearing down and chipping away at that pesky western alliance that likes to shank sanction people, including oligarch guards and industries.

What they're doing is they're avoiding accountability and they're enriching themselves and they're able to do what they want and get away with it. Urduan is part of this, of course. If Urduan wants to butcher the curts, who's going to hold them accountable? Not certainly not the US anymore. And Europe will be too divided for that. So it's all part of a plan. I mean, it's all self-interest.

There's nothing mysterious or there's no mystique. There's no spy novel. It's not Austin Powers. It's a super-tino super-veillance. It's just really the plan and simple. It's like, there's nothing exciting or sexy or anything about it. It's just a bunch of people just trying to get rich

and just live life and being masters of the universe at the expense of others. All right, well, before I let you go, any silver linings? Always. Yeah, I know, I always, yeah, I'm very big on that because you and I have talked quite a bit by this point and I do stay out but I am able to get out of bed in the morning because I am studying Ukraine especially you see what civic activists, civic leaders, investigative journalists have done to confront clptococcus in their own country and you just have to wear them down. You have to

expose them and that's the secret of it is you can't give up first. You have to force them to finally try a new tactic and it's what it is. We just have to exhaust each other and whoever gets exhausted first loses, whoever falls down, it's like a boxing match essentially. And so that's how I stay in there. But I think ultimately, as we've always said, it's not about the Mueller report ever. You have to look past that.

And if anybody wants to get into the fight in a very big effective way, the best way to do it, in my opinion, from what I've researched and what gives me hope, is if you look at groups like every district, there's an excellent group called every district, and what they figured out through their own battle heart and experience and research, is that if you want to take back your country, you have to do it on the local level. And so every district identifies important races from the bottom up in states across the country and they're helping you put money into progressive races, progressive causes. They're helping strengthen voting rights, expand voting rights across the Union.

And they were instrumental in that big blue wave that we saw in not only 2018, but also in Virginia in 2017. But all those women came into the state legislator and legislator in legislator in legislator, whatever the state government in Virginia. And they were, they were a big part of that. They're architects of that. So there's no getting out of this. The only way of getting out of this is through hard work and smart organization and the power of communities, communities

leading the power of the grassroots. That is, as we saw with the Blue Wave in 2018, that is a very real power that is why the Democrats have the house and don't underestimate that power. Don't underestimate your power. And that is what keeps me going. And I just follow so many stories of people doing the same thing, independent journalists,

grassroots coalitions. And that is what ultimately will help us strengthen the social fabric, improve quality of life, build a more progressive union and take back our country. That's the only way out of this is through hard work and smart organization. So still comes down to us. Like it always does. We just have to vote in numbers too big to manipulate, I think is the answer. I think that always has been so. Exactly right. Yeah, we are the Robert Mueller we've been waiting for. Oh, that's very nice. I Appreciate that and I do appreciate the silver linings one last one. And I guess this is kind of a small one, but

Audrey Strauss The prosecutor the prosecutor took down Roy Cohn is returning to the southern district in New York to serve a second command to George Burman who as we know recused himself from the Cohen command to George Burman, who as we know, recused himself from the Cohen investigation or the Cohen case for undisclosed reasons. But that we were worried about the vacancy left behind there. And I think that I'm happy with who they've put in there. Oh, I'm thrilled.

I think anybody that can defeat Trump's mentor, Roy Cohen, who is dirtier than Mana Foreign Stone combined, basically helped raise those two. I think that's a really wonderful poetic sign. You know, as a screenwriter, as a filmmaker, I did see that and think, oh, that should make a great story, you know, be able to tell this story through given her incredible history. So yeah, I think that's really exciting. And that's me obviously we're not going to get much anything

coming out of that in terms of leaks. I'm sure they'll run a tight ship. But when all is said and done, hopefully she'll remember there's one of the heroes of this chapter again. Yeah, here's hoping. Well, I appreciate you taking time out today, everybody. Author of Orwell on the refugees. You can get that wherever you get your books and co-host of Gaslit Nation,

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