Jack - The Mueller Report - Pt. 2

Episode Date: May 31, 2019

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Hello and welcome to Muller She Wrote. This is part two of probably what's going to end up as a ten-part series on the Muller Report. I'm your host A.G. and with me as always are Julie Sejanssen. Hello. And Jordan Coburn. Hello. So today Coburn. Hello. So today we're covering the Russian Active Measures section.

That's section two of volume one and its page is 14 through 35. If you haven't yet, we highly recommend checking out the documentary active measures on Hulu because this is all about that. It's really eye-opening, very informative, kind of scary. You might also read Asharan Goppa's piece on Reflexive Control, which is another active measure that Russia and propaganda used, and that Trump and Giuliani were using for quite a while, that they're the ones who tricked us into the word collusion. All you have to do is Google Aasha Rangapa and Reflexive Control, and you should be able

to find that article. So, let's get going. This section, section two, covers the first part of the two part Russian election interference operations and that's the active measures. And they came principally from the internet research agency. And you may hear me referring to the internet research agency as the IRA, which I know has a very different meaning to those of those 70s kids out there.

We need this as the Irish Republican Army, but in this case, we mean the internet research agency when we say the IRA. Yes, I imagine Bono wouldn't appreciate the Association, bro. No, probably not. Yeah, and actually Bono, if you're listening, if you could write a Tuesday, bloody Tuesday song and memory of the democracy, we lost in 2016. That would be fantastic. That would be amazing.

Oh, yes. You know, I think it is a better assumption though because when I think of the area I think of the individual retirement account which is weird because I'm like I'm like a rock. Ira. Yeah, I was I was I was there's a difference. Okay, that explains it. Yeah, I was thinking What if they created this because you could also call it the international rifle Association and get support from around the world which it is now because I mean they did collect twenty six hundred dollars in russian dues very good point by yes all right so uh... the ira is is funded by you've get me

victor of it's progosen according to muller and uh... we and everybody else we know this guy is puttons chef or puttons cook he is also concord management he owns concord management llc and concord catering This guy is Putin's chef or Putin's cook. He is also Concord Management. He owns Concord Management LLC and Concord Catering, which Mueller says he will collectively refer to as Concord for the rest of the report. And with that, we get to our first footnote of the page, footnote 2, that reads, the office is aware of other reports that other Russian entities engaged in similar active measures operations targeting the United States. of other reports that other Russian entities engaged in similar active measures operations

targeting the United States. Some evidence collected by the office corroborates those reports, and the office has shared that evidence with other offices and the Department of Justice and the FBI. So I wonder if the accounts for the harm to ongoing matters, redactions in this section, because there's, now I'm wondering if there's going to be forthcoming additional indictments from these other agencies that participated in active measures that are not Concord management. Right. Or the IRA. Yeah. And that have been referred out to the Department of Justice and the FBI. That's interesting. Yeah, what about so, Mueller and Dite at 13 Russian individuals, right? Could these maybe be entities that those individuals are tied to?

No, I think those individuals were specifically Internet Research Agency and Concord Management individuals, but there could be other individuals and other entities that could have forthcoming indictments that are redacted from this report because they're ongoing. And he says, we've referred those off. I can't imagine they wouldn't be indicted, but I do see and put some beans on more Russian indictments coming.

I just don't know what's taken so long. Yeah. Then we get another footnote with a sentence right after that one that says, quote, the IRA conducted social media operations targeted at large US audiences with the goal of selling discord in the US political system. The first line of the footnote for that sentence is redacted for harm and ongoing matter. The rest of the footnote reads, see also SM-2230634 serial 44 analysis. The FBI case number cited here and other FBI case numbers identified in the report should

be treated as law enforcement sensitive given the context. The report contains additional law enforcement sensitive information and that's what the footnote says. And just so you know law enforcement sensitive information is defined as unclassified information of a sensitive and proprietary nature that if disclosed could cause harm to law enforcement activities by jeopardizing investigations, compromising operations, or causing life threatening situations for confidential informances, confidential informance witnesses or law enforcement personnel.

I had a question. So since it is not classified, it's just sensitive. Does that mean that we should see that information once those law enforcement operations are concluded or whenever anything that falls under that definition basically kind of ceases to be a thing? It depends on how far out how long ago it was. It probably not for years and years. And it might never be because it could be information that could reveal kind of, well, I guess this is specifically

law enforcement activities that jeopardize ongoing investigations or current operations, but it could also reveal how we investigate things, but that seems to be more like the investigative redactions that come up later. Yeah, the language seems a little bit less sort of, I guess, binding. Yeah, that's true. But yeah, maybe so maybe if like once Valerie Plain was retired, you could say,

hey, that Valerie Plain, she was in there and doing the thing and then it would be fine and safe to reveal that. But you would never want to do that as long as she was an informant. So anybody who's still an informant in the FBI generally continues to use the same informants over and over again, they wouldn't want to release that information. Or interesting. Or even after two, because then people would be like, you bitch. Yeah, maybe after they die or something.

Yeah, yeah, totally. I thought it was interesting that the IRA, like their whole goal was to so discord in the US because like mission accomplished, right? Like fascists are so, like they whole goal was to so discord in the US because like mission accomplished, right? Like fascists are so like they're such overachievers, I feel, and sucks. Yeah, they really did it. Yeah, they did the damn thing. They went for it and they got it. So the next sentence in that section reads, quote, these operations constituted active measures, a term that typically refers to operations conducted by Russian security services aimed at influencing the course of international affairs. And the footnote reads, quote, as discussed in part four below, the active measures investigation has resulted in criminal charges against 13 individual Russian nationals and three Russian entities, principally for conspiracy to defraud the United States in violation of 18 US code 371. And if it then points us to the 18 CR32 indictment

of the Russians. So that's what that referral is referring to. I'm telling you about referring referrals. Now I'm trying to think of why anything involved in the IRA case, the social media disinformation case with Concord Management would still be redacted. And there's a couple of ideas, and we talked about this a little bit first. The Concord Management case is still open and ongoing in court even

though it's kind of a farce. And we brought this up in part one. This is the case where Concord has hired U.S. lawyers to try to get Mueller to hand over his all of his stuff to Russia. And also Roger Stone is referred to in the indictment of the Russians and his case is still ongoing along with stone associate Andrew Miller who's fighting a subpoena in court and of course all of stones penge we call the lot of them Roger Stonehenge which includes you know Randy credit code Jerome Corsi who's currently suing Mueller the FBI the CIA the NSA and the department of justice and then there's a wiki leaks in a sange and of course Sam Nunberg suing Mueller, the FBI, the CIA, the NSA, and the Department of Justice. And then there's a WikiLeaks and a Sange, and of course Sam Nunberg.

Plus there might be other redactions as Mueller himself in this report stated that there are other active measures, Russians, besides the IRA, that he's referred out to the Department of Justice and the FBI. So more indictments, as I said, could be on their way. And that could also be part of these redacted, because I figured, well, who could possibly be redacted in the IRA material? We've indicted the 13 Russians and the three entities. What are you redacting? And now he's actually said, we found other shit and we referred it out. And then of course, Stone is related to this. And he's trying to get his name out of that a lot. Oh, yeah, he's like, it's not related, I'm not related. I need a new judge. He didn't want to have the same judge.

Yeah. Judge Jackson, Epinasty, yeah. Yeah. So he's to try to get out of that being in the same judge, because the reason he has her is because he's referred to in the indictment of the Russian stuff. That's right. Yep. He lied about a guy who's possibly in charge of the whole hacking operation, a Russian

operative. So yeah, pretty related. But I was going to say, do you think that the indictments will be here in time for Christmas? I'm so hopeful. I just really want to get Christmas. I'll leave the lot for Christmas. It's never too early.

Fuck summer, I'm ready for Christmas in July. You should go to every mall and sit on every Santa Claus and ask for that. Well, they'll probably get the wrong idea. Let's do that and tape it. Yeah, they'll probably get the wrong idea. Yeah. Just do that and tape it. Yeah. How do you know if it's Santa or just some random guy?

I think it's kind of like Santa. It's a Russian. It's a Russian. Well, I was thinking of the Santa thing and the whole thing with Santa. Yeah. Also, could those cases be the kind of like the counterintelligence investigations? That's true too. A lot of this stuff could have been handed off in the counterintelligence investigations.

Remember, there were 40 FBI agents co-located with Mueller and some of them where they are just as from the counterintelligence unit and taking notes and sending written reports back to the FBI. There is or was a counterintelligence investigation that we haven't heard about yet. And so it could also be one of those redacted 12 referred cases that we see in Appendix D of volume 2 or it could be something completely different. We just we simply don't know. But that's another option.

So good good catch. It's the counterintelligence stuff. And that stuff we could never learn is the counterintelligence. Because counterintelligence findings aren't crimes. It's really classified top secret national. Yeah. Yeah. They find a person, they determine whether or not

they're an asset or they're somehow compromised by a foreign entity. And then they determine with how much confidence, first of all, how much of an asset are they and how confident are we that they are. It's so interesting that the people who are in charge of like the juiciest gossip or such like straight narrow people you think like the you know baddest bitches or something would be like in the CIA. I could never be in the FBI be like oh my god did you guys hear? Swoow! I tell everyone everything like don't god, did you guys hear? Sswa! I tell everyone everything, like, don't let me have a secret.

No, it's not me. I'll probably skip. What is it? It's probably a scary time. I've never seen you. If I'm ever applying for the FBI and you're doing a research on my background, I hope you find this episode so that I can tell you in my own voice right now, don't trust me. I will.

I got that FBI. I got it. I'm not a word to tell you. I'm not a word to tell you. Don't let me in. I have the biggest mouth. Now it would be great if you got in and then you played this. Yeah, we got it. I'm not a word. I did it. Tell her first guys. Don't let me in. I have the biggest mouth. Now it would be great if you got in and then you played this. Yeah, we got with what Trump's doing to like, you know, traditional positions.

You know, it's where you got trouble for leaking. Yeah, I told you guys. Oh, the comedian clearly stated in the podcast. I'll break a number two. But not sexual. Got it. Got it. Yeah, that's true. Got it, got it.

Yeah, that's true. This is a disclaimer and any legal things I need to say to absolve myself of any lawyer problems, I mean, that's what I mean right now. That's official enough, right? Sure, I'll take it. That'll hold up in court. Yeah, yeah, that just happened.

How about you? Okay, thank you. Like in Big Daddy when the homeless guy was on the stand for some reason. It's so random, it's a good one. That's a great movie. Yeah. No.

Love it. Is that almost Scoobas Steve? Scoobas Steve? Yeah. Damn you, Scoobas Steve. Love that. Yeah. This by the way, this last episode of Sour Night Live, best episode of Sour Night Live,

I've ever seen a song. Oh my God, I've never seen a song. And not just because of the dedication, not just because of the Sandler song for Farley, but the sketches were so good. Yeah. The writers really stepped up. I don't know if it's mulling. I don't know what's happening, but it was fantastic.

Oh yeah. But plug pill, dude. And then you know, like it's just, you can just dishwasher it. You put it in the dishwasher and his girlfriend walks out and he slams the glass out of the picture. Yeah, don't. This is one of the first times that the opening

wasn't my favorite sketch because that was the political one. But yeah, for some reason, Adam opening wasn't my favorite sketch because like that was the political one But like yeah for some reason Adam sketches were like my favorite like yeah the random goofy ones. I loved it Yeah, yeah, I like the Game of Thrones one the Game of Thrones It was okay. I'm yeah, it's not like he was bad bitch. Yeah, I was hilarious. That was my favorite part Yeah, I'm sorry I'm not sure if I'm the bad one. Good job, group. Yeah, I'm group, sorry. I'm group bitch.

I'm group bitch. I'm never shit on a so bad one. I'm group bitch. No, it's bitch, I'm group. Bitch, I'm group, yeah. She's thinking it's the same thing, isn't it? No, so there's a subtle difference. That's true.

And only I'll duck. There's more stank in the bitch, I'm group. Bitch, I'm group. Yeah, that's like a billboard bit, right? A billboard bit. Is it? Something about how like when you're saying something racist, if you say like fucking before after, or wait, you mother fucker.

Yeah, I kind of see where he's going with that. Yeah, if you say like mother fucking, yeah, film the blank. Like there's not much mother fucker. Yeah, it's different from that mother fucking Jew. Yeah, I think that's a good one. I think it was so. I think it was, I almost said Bill Barr. Oh, yeah, I get him confused you.

Bill Barr. He pranks as that too. Bill Burm. You're doing else, though. All right, so let's see. Where were we? We were talking about, nope, that's okay. We were talking about the referrals and then possibly intelligence, counterintelligence investigations. And then as we move on, we get the confirmation from Mueller that the IRA began targeting the US in 2014, set up fake social media profiles pretending to be Americans, used divisive political and social issues as a means to reach large US audiences. And if you remember in the book Russian Roulette that we covered in the MSW book club, check it out.

McGuy and charge of the GRU wrote his new war plan in 2013 that included cyber attacks and active measures, right? In mid-2014, IRA employees traveled to the US on an intelligence-gathering mission to obtain information and photographs for use in their social media posts. That's dedication to your Insta. By mid-2016, they were focused on helping Trump and hurting Hillary. They bought ads on social media, some communicated electronically with individuals associated with the Trump campaign

and with other activists to coordinate rallies. Muller says none of these people had any idea they were intentionally being manipulated by Russians. The bit about coordinating rallies has a footnote that's redacted from the IRA indictment. So that must be Concord information or stone information, just a guess, beans. And then by the end of 2016, the IRA had the capacity to reach millions of Americans on social media. There were Facebook groups and Instagram accounts with hundreds of thousands of users. IRA Twitter accounts had tens of thousands of followers,

which included multiple US politicians who often retweeted IRA content. That's so crazy. In November 2017, Facebook time. It's like, I feel like, you know, you have, sometimes you have like a work party and somebody comes in and they're like, I sold 20 phones today and they're like,

Bob sold 20 phones and he gets to wear a pen and there's a cake. Like somebody comes in and they're like, I triad in it retweeted my tea today. We'll have, have, have. Yeah, yeah. All right, I pissed off like 17 snowflake liberalism. Yeah, I got somebody to walk up and down

Fifth Avenue in a Santa outfit today. Oh, I It's pretty funny. They could day off on you know, I could next to day off next month. Yeah, that's amazing They have like a packer of the month bolt and board next to the fridge and the break area Everyone all winners. We take you to Siberia next month. You get extra bottle of vodka. Yeah, it's two potatoes Victor at the top. Oh my god. That's totally probably anti-Russian, but whatever Sorry Much love to the Russian people. Yes, the Kremlin. I do feel like yeah, FTK. Yeah, it's a new like fuck the polis Fuck the Kremlin. I don't know. I don't know the lyrics. Yeah, you have to do it sort of, polies, you know, fuck the crème l'in.

You have to put the l'in. Yeah, yeah, put some on it. It is hard to not sound and maybe even be like resophobic throughout all of this, you know? Because I'm not trying to only shit on, I mean, it's not about like the Russian people at all, you know. And we don't want to get McCarthy. But these are definitely, these are definitely dozens of people sitting in a room acting like Americans trying to trick us by saying that they're part of like black activist groups.

Right. They lock in the work. They have their smoke breaks and they troll us all day long. And this is their job. And I think that that actually might be a pretty funny sketch to have this as an office environment like office space, but for IRA. Oh, that's so funny. Yeah, like someone's having like a birthday party in the office. I know she'd have done that when she's there. The printer gets jammed on it, but yeah, you know, you know, just like typical office shit, but for the Russian people. Yes, yes. We should make that sketch. When's the last time you didn't fill enough? If you relate to this question, you want to check out our podcast

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126 million people through its Facebook accounts. That's more than one third of Americans So I had a question on that is Is it possible that that number talks, is talking about people from around the globe, or is it just Americans, 126 million Americans? It's Americans. Specifically. Yeah, it says people in the report. Yeah, because it seems general, right?

It just says people. It just says people in the report. I wondered. I can't wait until the new social network movie comes out, because the first one was pretty interesting But like this one's gonna be intense. I'll just get high. Let's fuck our lives. Yeah, fuck so Not totally. What a yeah, Justin's gonna be in it for some reason I'm gonna devolved into this very devolved into this like very bad thing

Situation or like yeah, I guess Silicon Valley is pretty close to the sequel. Yeah, they should be working on this now Yeah, I only like movie trilogy to cross genres from like drama to horror movies. Yes, dude, I love this idea. And then we could do the office space. And with a comedy, round it all out. Yeah, full circle. My stapler. Somebody's got somebody's like that. I've created a jump to conclusions mat. So the IRA also had 170 Instagram accounts with over 120,000 pieces of content and Twitter announced that it had 3,814 IRA-controlled Twitter accounts that 1.4 million people may have been in contact with an IRA-controlled account. On page 15, we move on to the structure of the IRA and most of this is redacted.

It's got a paragraph, like a full paragraph redacted. Then it says, the organization quickly grew, and then there was another paragraph of redacted information. Then the growth of the organization also led to more detailed organizational structure, then more redactions after that. All these redactions are for harm to an ongoing matter, by the way. So the way that the IRA was developed, somehow harms an ongoing investigation, and that could be the counterintelligence one that you were talking about there, Jordan. Then we get the sentence, two individuals headed the IRA's management.

It's director, McAill, bystroff, and the executive director, McAill, the two McAils. Then another redacted paragraph happens, and then it says, as early as spring of 2014, the IRA began to hide its funding activities, then there's more redactions. And that's like, Cohen and Prague. I'm like, hmm, why is that all redacted? Do you think these guys got together because they had the same first name? Like, whoa, we should start a freaking business. Do you think you're Michael? I'm a killer. The McAle research agency. Yeah, yeah. Missed the opportunity to be there. Yeah, and we've never reported on either of these two guys.

I searched the transcripts archive. Yeah, the kind of randos to us. Yeah, those would be randos. Maybe these guys. Double the randos. Or maybe these guys are going to be, maybe they started a different active measures thing and then this one got popular.

And maybe this they've been referred. But I don't feel like they wouldn't be named if it was part of an ongoing, right? Yeah, exactly Investigation it goes on to say the IRA's operations are part of a larger set of interlocking operations known as project locked Then then there's more red actions and that's interesting. I've not heard of this project before no nor have we reported on it Locked at first. I that said lock. I was like. Yeah, I'm a tasty mouth-watering. But no, Lakta. I wonder what that means.

I wonder what that translates into. Yeah, if anyone knows. It's pretty, it's pretty word. Lakta. Interlocking organization, so might mean interlocking. Yeah, I know we have Google right in front of us, but I'm just so lazy. I just want to keep talking and making assumptions. All right guys, then we get to section B called funding an oversight from Concord and Progojian.

And most of this is redacted as well, likely because of the open and ongoing Concord case. What we can see says, quote, until at least February 2018, Progojian and two Concord companies funded the IRA and that Progojian is a rich Russian that heads up the IRA. Progosian was sanctioned by the U.S. Treasury in December 2016 and Mueller then goes on to connect him to Putin through media reports and photographs. And I thought it was interesting that he mentioned that he was sanctioned, which sort of seems to say, like, why would you mention that unless there was some American investing in this, but that's complete space beans. I mean, you can't, obviously, it's against a law to give money to a sanctioned entity or

a sanctioned person, but it's extra against the law to fund this kind of operation. And that's why I'm still like, I've got like my Prague hat on because they found out there were two major Russian hacking things in Prague. Remember, we covered that story, and it turned out that Prague is a hub for Russian hackers. And so that could be what maybe these, maybe the Macayles started there, expanded their enterprise in St. Petersburg, but we could be seeing indictments against Russians for their operations in Prague. That would be really interesting. I like those beans. You like those beans? Yeah, this whole report is like a beenery.

It is. But what is it? Barney's beenery? Yeah. All right, so, and then guys, everything else on the next two pages is fully redacted, except for Mueller's definition of the word troll in a footnote as paid operatives who post in flamatory, it's just operatives, in this case, paid who post in flamatory or otherwise disruptive content on social media or other websites.

I was thinking when I read this, how funny it is, how far the word troll has come in such a small amount of time, I remember when I was in high school and it was just becoming a thing in the mainstream media. Totally. And my physics teacher had told us something that like blew our minds. It's like some Newton shit, I don't know.

And then someone in the class raised your hand was like, no way, are you trolling us? And then he was like, what are you talking about? Stop trying to make fetch house. Yes, but it was so funny. Just to think back on like back then, we were explaining it to people. And now it's in a legal document.

And now it's in the most consequential legal document of this century. I'm sure. 2019 is great. Perhaps the history of the United States so far. Craze also defined later on in the report. Oh, that's right. Mueller's like, yeah, this whole thing is great.

Craze, by the way. Yeah, that's my professional opinion. Then we learned something I didn't know about. The IRA got a US person to hold up a sign in front of the White House, and they got a picture of it that said, happy 55 birthday dear boss, as an homage to Progoshin. And this dipshit's name is redacted to privacy.

So I've been being hilarious. I wonder why Mueller chose to include that. Yeah. Other than I think he's just describing the depths into which they were able to manipulate Americans to do shit. Yeah. That's a good idea. So here you have an American holding up a sign as an homage to, and this could be a test

too. And this could be behind a lot of this redacted stuff. This could be how, because they talk a lot about a little bit later and we'll get to about how they were monitoring their ability to infiltrate and recruit. And so maybe when a guy comes in, if Gany comes in and says today,

I got a guy, I got an American to stand in front of the White House and wish you a happy 55th birthday and they took a picture of it and they tweeted it out. Ha, ha, ha. And then points for that. Right. Yeah. It makes me wonder like if anyone's ever held a boom box outside the White House and like what song would you play?

Yeah. I'm sure. What happened? What would you guys play? What song would you play? Well, the criminal annex is out there right now. Get the fuck out. Is that a song?

Oh yeah. It gives you hell by all American rejects. I saw your mommy and your mommy's dead. Nice. You saw it all turn into nice things. I thought you'd do that. I like doing what I think. Like what we mommy and your mommy's dead. Nice. I saw you that's how I like to annoy people. Like, where we going with this? This is America. I'm just there.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I hate it, bye, bye. The Dixie Jakes did, they have that anti-bush song or something? Oh, yeah. Or a landslide. I think it went. How did the song go?

So a little bit about like, not being my president. I don't think that's how it went. It was pink and Lily Allen. Oh, shit, no, pink. That's what I was thinking. Yeah, pink and one. Dear Mr. President. Yeah, Lily Allen had a shit, no pink. That's what I was thinking. Yeah, pink and one. Dear Mr. President. Yeah, Lily Allen had a fucky very much. There we go. I would play fucky very much. Yeah.

Is it about the president? Not ready to make it nice. Might have been about Bush or her ex. I can't remember. I'm probably completely in with it. Yes, there we go. Oh, I like it. So I got to combine everything. That's just how your brain works. Yeah, I did it. Yeah. It's like puzzle pieces and the linguistic space Oliver says they started putting celebrity couples names together Jar-Jarvonka That's the only one I could think of right now. There's beyond like makes me think of judge our beings to

Like Jared has that face. Yeah Yeah, Jar-Vonka. Oh the name. Oh, sorry that quickly it lost you. It's my bad. That's actually just one dude What are you talking about? Oh, I get it. Yeah. Yeah, the name me second Jarvanca is a very unsexy relationship name Indeed it is. What was the first big one that we had J. Yeah, originally Yes, that's a high bar right there and then wasn't it like Ben aflux and yeah, Benifer Benifer, you know, Benifer and Brangelina. Are the guys always first?

Is this some kind of Patreon? It depends on how it sounds. Fair enough. I think. Yeah, yeah. Probably not always. Is it a requirement to adopt African orphans if you want to have a combined name?

That is true. And you want to do weird things like Apple. Did Benifer do that? That's what they broke up. That's why they broke up. I think what's her face and what's why the broke up. I think What's her face and what's his face did the guy who kept a mile around her Was it space yeah, no, you know I'm talking about she uh Angelina Jolie. Oh, yeah

bad Santa. Oh, yeah, oh bad Santa. That guy. Yeah, he's kind of high. Is it he's just me. Oh, no, he's super hot. Okay. Thank you In a bad boy. Yeah, bad Billy Bob, Billy Bob, Billy Bob. Billy Bob, Santa, bad boy. Yeah, bad sound is great. I love that movie so much. Hey guys, we'll be right back. Hiring used to be a hassle with multiple job sites, sifting through stacks of resumes and confusing review processes with really, really confusing websites.

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Melded and one macaque man one translator department and it's then followed by two full pages of redactions for open and ongoing matters the Macayles melded. And they're one Macayle, man. One translated department. And it's then followed by two full pages of redactions for opening on going matters. This could all be Concord, also could be counterintelligence, or could be the other Russians that have been dided, I don't know if that matter will ever close, though, because we probably won't ever get them on American soil to close the case.

So the indictment of the 13 Russians and any progotiate might always be redacted for life because we can't ever close that case. Redacted for life. I feel like there must be, I'll just feel like this. Okay. I feel like there must be some process in that scenario then for when it can be determined that they most likely will like never come over and the case will never be able to be closed essentially.

And then they can decide, is that a thing where they're like, okay, well realistically, it's inconceivable that this case will ever come to an end the way that we wanted to. There's gotta be some process for closing it off because you can't. Yeah, all the cases I know that we've ended up seeing

or being unsealed like 30, 40 years later and stuff, they're all against Americans. So I don't know what we're good at stalling. Yeah, I don't know what the protocol would be for something like the Russians. I feel like if it were important enough and it's not going to jeopardize any sources and methods and it's not going to put any ongoing cases at risk. You should let us know about it at least enough, or let the Congress know about it so that they can make laws to prevent against it. But, I do know. Yes, lawyers if you know the answer to the law, let us know.

Yeah, head us up. Hello at mullershirep.com. Then the Mueller report goes into the trip that some of the IRA employees took to the US to gather their photographs and intel to help the social media operations. They claim to be friends which met at a party and two of them got visas named Anna Bogacheva and Alexandra Krilova. Mueller even has their itineraries

and their trip instructions. That's crazy. That level of detail is intense, you guys. It's like the level of detail in the Russian indictment. It's just intense what he got. Like their flight numbers and their times and their itinerary and their plans and who their other two friends were that they met at this part.

Like the fuck do you know that? That is crazy. That would make Mueller Santa. He knows if you've been naughty or nice. He knows everything. All right, then on to part two of section C on page 22 called US Operations Through IRA Control Social Media accounts. We got a couple of paragraphs here saying dozens of IRA

employees operated these accounts across social media platforms and that they're referred to as specialists. They use Facebook, YouTube, Tumblr, Twitter, and Instagram. At first, they pretended to be American individuals. Then in 2015, they created larger groups and pages that claimed to be American individuals, got in 2015 they created larger groups and pages that claimed to be US political groups and grassroots organizations. In some cases they mimicked actual organizations like the Twitter account at 10 underscore GOP which falsely claimed to be part of the Tennessee Republican Party. Most posed as fake grassroots groups such as anti-immigration

groups, T party activists, Black Lives Matters protesters and other social and political activists. Then we got a bunch of redactions after they mentioned that the IRA closely monitored the accounts. I feel like, because they used everything, Facebook, YouTube, Tumblr, like, did they use Tinder? Like, you think they were catfishing Americans too,

like, you porn, right? Just hitting all the stops. Yes, that was Maria Bhutanas. That's right, she and Eric said, yeah, Like, you think they were cat-fishing Americans too? Like, you porn. Right? Come on. Hitting all the stops. Yes, that was Maria Bhutanas' leg. That's right. She and Eric said, yeah, Bhutanas' leg. They just swiped right away. They just swiped right away.

Tumblr is a weird choice too. It's like a look recruiting Tumblr people. They're all emo teens. True. Or like lots of pornography. Yeah. We don't know where they're going. Yeah, yeah.

Tumblr is separate. Yeah, yeah. You porn wants to pick them up and say, you can be part of our, we'll take you. Tumblr as a whole. Yeah, that's wow The people who got kicked off tumbler. That's a party. Yeah, so it's interesting that a lot of these redactions mentioned are are When they talk about the IRA monitoring the accounts being able to monitor their performance Then it gets interesting by 2016 internal IRA documents detailed support for Trump and opposition to Clinton. Then it gives some redacted examples as harm to an ongoing matter.

And we learned definitively for the first time in the Mueller report that Russia did support the Sanders campaign. Quote, main idea, use any opportunity to criticize Clinton and the rest, except Sanders and Trump, we support that. Oh God, that does not look good. That's really sad. But again, Sanders isn't even mentioned as he was being investigated for being a part of this.

I don't even see any, unless some of these redacted bits are of Sanders campaign people interacting with Russians, in which case, whoa, and we just have no idea about it. Yeah, that would be crazy, but I think even just like, it's more likely that they were supporting him to split the vote, and that's just how it now. Right, I think so too. Yeah.

But it's interesting that he didn't explain anything explicitly, because that's kind of an alarming thing. It's like, oh, whoa, now Sanders is someone else that was supported. Right, and they did explain here that the Trump people who were retweeting all this stuff, and were being actually spoken to by Russians had no clue that they were being spoken to by Russians, but they didn't outline any of the Bernie stuff for that. Okay. That's why I'm like that's

Crazy Molar then I personally still do not believe that Bernie Sanders had any Knowledge or was a winning member of any kind of interference in the election. I don't think so. Yeah, I don't either. It doesn't follow along like it does with Trump's character. And it might be being investigated and we don't know.

Yeah. More than lays out more evidence from internal IRA documents, internal IRA documents, how do you get those? That they needed more criticism of Clinton and that they acknowledged that their work focused on influencing the presidential election. So they saw these documents chastising their specialists for not coming hard enough at Clinton.

Then there are more redactions, including the first part of section three called Operations Through Facebook. And then it comes back in with a list of some of the conservative groups that the Russians posed as, including being patriotic, stop all immigrants, secured borders, and tea party news. Other black social justice groups,

including black matters and black divest, and don't shoot us. And finally, LGBTQ groups called LGBT united, and then religious just groups such as United Muslims of America. This is why I have trust issues. This is so bad for me. I'm like, those are all my favorite types of groups.

Wow. Yeah, you can't tell anything for Facebook interests anymore. Yeah, except the block all immigrants and secure border people. Oh, true. But you're like, yeah, black-match black-tivists don't shoot us. Black-tivists is a great name. And our Russians came up with it.'re like, yeah, black mad, black activists don't shoot us. Black activists is a great name.

And our Russians came up with it. And finally, yeah, I think that's you be too cute stuff. I definitely have heard that before the Russians on take back credit away from the company or whatever, like media officials. Oh yeah, yeah, it's probably super old

school and they just co-opted it. Totally, totally. They branded it as what I was getting at. Yes. And then Mueller talks about a Russian account under the name Matt Skyber, who organized a pro-treat. This guy did a lot. They branded it as what I was getting at. Yes. And then Mueller talks about a Russian account under the name Matt Skyber, who organized a pro-truck. This guy did a lot.

He organized a pro-trupp rally near Trump Tower and explains that Russia bought over 3,500 ads totaling about $100,000. Oh my God. The ads overtly opposed Hillary Clinton such as one that read, if one day God lets this liar enter the White House as president, that day will be a real national tragedy.

And I'm surprised you should be able to tell these are Russian propaganda ads from their garbage. Dropping serious, like, dollars on this, like I would just use that money for self promotion. What's their purpose in life? Yeah, like screwed Putin, this is my, this is my stuff, right? They don't need a self promote, they have all the money.

Oh, good point. And then they bought an ad on the Black Matters accounts that said, flash mob to take photos with the hashtag's Hillary Clinton for prison 2016 or no Hillary 2016 Mueller then goes into the pro Trump ads such as take a picture of your kids with the hashtag kids for Trump and other ads bought on Trump supporting Russian groups like being patriotic stop all invaders and secured borders all invaders and secured borders. Industry that Trump refers to immigrants and asylum seekers as invaders on multiple occasions as did the mass shooter in New Zealand where Trump echoed that shooter's manifesto the same day talking about immigrant invaders to America.

Totally. I'll never forget that day and it's just amazing to me that they're using like a Russian born active measures language to drive their policies. Yeah, it's insane. And kids for Trump is another really weird name. I wouldn't trust that. Kids for Trump. That's a suspicious thing.

Yeah. And they're in a cage. Yeah, yeah. A lot of different interpretation possibilities there. Oh, I shouldn't joke about that. They just get their little white kids approaching a cage. Like smiling. Yeah.

Dude, like people wouldn't care unless they were white kids in a cage. That's a sad fact of it all. Yep. Yep It's like a little white girl in a whale now. It's a cage Oh, it used to be Remember that they say like the news didn't care unless a white girl fell in the well those are really old days I guess I remember well baby Jessica in the well and the world There are like well in the same

Yeah, this new station totally totally yeah, yeah, well. Yes, oh There's gonna be like movies about this someday not that's like the benefit of this But about the reporter about about like that what's happening with the children and the cages and like oh Yeah, I'm telling you that's the next shouldnlers list. Yeah psychological thrillers and stuff I'd imagine like this is some crazy shit and Frank's diary anything that you've seen any Movie you've seen about the Holocaust you can pretty much write the same script for what the hell is going on at the Southern border right now. Absolutely.

And I'm not doing it the number of the same. Yeah, no, not by a long shot. And the suffering is not the same. But it's fair to call it out as similar. But the ideas and the message behind it and the reasons for doing it are exactly the same. Yeah, it's because nothing's original. Every idea is inspired by something else. And we'd be kind of wrong to not see that Trump is not inspired by, like, not nothing's original. Every idea is inspired by something else, and we'd be kind of wrong to not see that Trump

is not inspired by like not see it's them. And the roots of it. Had a book of Hitler's speeches by his bed, allegedly. By the time the group being patriotic was deactivated by Facebook, in mid-2017, you guys, it had over 200,000 followers. Secured borders had 130,000. United Muslims of America, 300,000 followers. And don't shoot us had 250,000 followers.

Muller she wrote has 6,000 followers. I'm just trying to give you a little on Facebook. Like a method. Yeah, yeah, it's not easy to get Facebook followers. No, so that's pretty. Hundreds of thousands. Pretty impressive. Then we get to section four on page 26,

which is about Twitter operations and how a number of IRA employees in the translator department served as Twitter specialists. And there are a few redactions here for open and ongoing matters, but it does say the Twitter operation came in two parts.

Specialists posing as people and automated botnets. And these are the bots that we talk about. Subsection A about the individualized accounts, and it's half a page of redactions to begin with. It then goes on to say these individuals were similar to the Facebook accounts posting original content while communicating directly with US Twitter users through public tweeting or direct messaging.

And then this is what I thought of. Remember when the Concord Management case mentioned a dick pick that Mueller had? Yeah. Basically Concord Management, as we know, who's trying to get the phone Mueller reports and methods and findings, so it can send it back to the Kremlin. And we know this because they ended up making an anonymous Twitter account and forging documents saying,

these are Mueller's, but they really aren't, and then they tweeted out they were able to hack Mueller. So they've been trying to get all the Mueller information for a while, and Mueller filed a motion saying, you can't have it because it would reveal all of our investigatory methods to the Kremlin. And the U.S. lawyers for Concord Management's argument to that opposition was, how important can your methods of obtaining information and investigating B if all you're getting is nude photos? And this is where I think those nude photos came from. Some U.S. Trump slug sending photos of his junk to female Russian Twitter specialists at

the IRA. That's what I think those naked photos are. Those direct messages between Trump supporters, Americans and these operatives. Oh yeah, it makes sense. We think it's some details that we already knew about based on public reporting about Russian Twitter accounts like 10 GOP, the Tennessee group, one called AtGen Abrams claiming to be a Virginia Trump supporter with 70,000 followers. Content. Pamela Moore, 13 claiming to be a Texan Trump supporter with 70,000 followers, and America first, an anti-immigration persona with 24,000 followers. Then a Twitter account called March for Trump, which organized rallies and that are described

in the report, but that's all redacted because of harm to an ongoing matter. That's weird. Dude, we've been waiting so long for all this detail because for so long, it's been up in the air sort of how intense their operation was. And now we know that it was incredibly intense. So I really hope people out there that were like, oh, it was nothing, right? Like, it was negligible. It was negligible. Yeah, negligible differences.

They like look at this shit. Yeah, that's what Junior said. There's a couple of ads. Yeah, no, it's 3500 ads just on Facebook. Yeah, dude, you've seen Justin Bieber, okay? Right? But shit makes a difference. Totally, and life's change.

If anyone wants to argue that the votes weren't affected, I mean, that's kind of silly to say when the psychology was affected, you know, it's like. The votes were affected. Yeah, even on one vote is affected. Oh, that's enough. That's enough. Yeah. Then we get the next sentence, which says the US media outlets quoted tweets from IRA controlled accounts and attributed them to the reactions of real Americans. And there's a footnote on it that lists the media outlets is the washington post in the u.s. news and world report

it goes on to say high profile u.s. persons including ambassador mic mc fall who we've had on the show uh... roger stone shan handy a michael flin uh... junior retweeted a responded to ira twitter accounts m multiple individuals associated with the trump campaign also promoted ira tweets but that's all redacted and uh... also promoted IRA tweets, but that's all redacted as Harmon and ongoing matter and that's got to be counterintelligence, right?

Yeah. So here's why I have to wonder about the Fox News Twitter account going dark last November 2. It's still a mystery, but that account is still dark. But the Mueller report then turns to Section B on page 28 called botnet activity. So presumably the Trump associates were retweeting botnet tweets as all that's redacted. And it comes back to repeat that Twitter found 3,814 Twitter accounts associated with the IRA, which posted about 175,000 tweets in the 10 weeks leading

up to the election. Yeah, you know Fox News had to have a hand in that. They're like the perfect target for these guys, you know, to feed that information. So I wouldn't be surprised if it's connected. That would make total sense. Yeah, they might have unwittingly retweeted it. Nobody found any winning. Right. I guess that's hard to define.

But also it's like Russia could have done a lot to make sure it was in front of their faces. And so that they did retweet it. I don't know how computers work. I feel like that's something you could do though. Yeah, yeah. And the last few years, I feel like there's been so many Republicans that have retweeted things like white supremacy

and all these ideas that used to be so, I guess, taboo and how dare you, but they've all kind of merged together now. So it makes sense that they had an influence. This is where we are. Trump is still retweeting crazy shit, you know? No, I'm gonna do it. Every day. All right, moving on to page 29, section 5. Here, it's called US Operations involving political rallies. And this section goes into more detail about the rallies and marches, the IRA organized, and how it used existing personas and groups on

Facebook and Twitter to promote the events. The IRA would use direct messaging to reach out to U.S. persons, then ask them to coordinate the rallies, and then say, oh, I can't make it because I have a personal conflict. Yeah, I'm wishing everyone. The IRA would then contact the U.S. media about the event, and then would tell them to speak with the coordinator. And after the event, the IRA would post photos and videos of the event. Mueller identified dozens of rallies organized this way. One was a Confederate rally in early November 2015, and is identified as one of the first. And according to the report, the IRA continued organizing these rallies even after the election. Then we have a full page of redactions

that seem to relate to how closely and by what means the IRA monitor the size and reach of these rallies. So all their monitoring of their success is redacted. And it's all paying off, too. It's like clearly in the works, like they're cooking up something and doing something about it. Well, I'm thinking this is where they explain how the IRA monitored the effectiveness and performance of their employees.

And there were similar redactions like this in the earlier section I mentioned and said, you know, put beans on. And how the IRA monitored social media posts, how they monitored their reach and impact. And I'm a little scared that behind these redactions maybe are the punishment for poor performance. Really? Like something in 10s, like, Kremlin style? That's not true, but I don't know. That's what I keep thinking.

It's all redacted. I wonder also, like, what kind of secrecy, contracts they would have to like, sign with them to make sure that these, this information, when you can get out, prematurely, or at all. Well, Russians aren't known for slapping on the wrist, so I'm terrified of what they've,

you know, when they're talking about monitoring their performance, what is under those redaction bars? That's scary. That freaks me out. That's what I'm like, do they, you know? Anyway. Yeah, I guess I would be really sad to even think about what it is before we found out for sure because I think torture that comes to me. Are they executing people? I don't mean to tinfoil hat up here, but we have, they go after the script calls with Nova Chalk, they throw people out of apartment buildings, they, oh, somebody must have fell down and hit their heads seven times. They throw people out of apartment buildings. They, you know, and somebody must have fell down

and hit their heads seven times. Right. If you know too much, anything along those lines, they have no problem murdering people. Yeah. And so that's why I'm like, what the fuck is behind these redactions? Every time they talk about monitoring their performance.

Yeah. Well, sorry to bring everybody down, but that's just the first thing that I have. It's not you. It's the, it's the, it's the, it's the Kremlin bring us down. Um, then we get to page 31. Uh, and Mueller actually shows us a poster created That's just the first time. It's not you. It's the, it's the, it's the Kremlin bring us down. Then we get to page 31.

And Mueller actually shows us a poster created for a rally organized by the IRA for coal miners in, for Trump in Philly. It shows a photo of a coal miner and his hat with his light on it. It says bring our, bring back our jobs. How many PA workers lost their jobs due to Obama's destructive policies? And then of course, he's got the time date and location. Almost all these rallies are anti-clinton and pro-trop. Section six on page 31 called targeting and recruitment

of US persons, discusses how the IRA employees would recruit the Americans to hold these rallies and amplify Russian disinformation. There's a bit redacted here for harm to an ongoing matter. And it says the Russians would use redacted technique on Facebook and Twitter and Instagram to contact and recruit Americans who follow the group. What is that?

Group chats, psychographics, dig picks. What are they? What is that? What's that? Is it like a group dig pick? I have no idea. You know when people put their shoes together, like a little star, like what a group dig pick

be like a little star dig pick. a group dick pic, be like a little star dick pic. Like, yeah, I don't know, man. But you know, they're saying that there's a technique they used on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram to contact and recruit Americans, and this technique is redacted. That's just weird. What is it? Uh, Muller Reeman says that Russians targeted it. And why can't we know?

Anyway. Yeah, and I'm here. You Russians targeted it. And why can't we know? Anyway. Yeah, I'm here. They don't want us to do it to each other. Like, it's for our own good. You don't want to know. It's a hypnosis. What the fuck is it? Mueller even says that Russians targeted a specific family and a number of black social justice advocates directly.

And their names have been redacted for privacy. They did this using the group Black Matter US, and I'm just gonna read this next part to you. It says in February 2017, the persona Black fist, purported to want to teach African Americans to protect themselves when contacted by law enforcement, hired a self-defense instructor in New York

to offer classes sponsored by Black fist. The IRA also recruited moderators of conservative social media groups to promote IRA-generated content as well as recruited individuals to perform political acts such as walking around New York City dressed up as a Santa Claus with a Trump mask on. So, Renato, do you still have your own podcast? Yeah, it's complicated. What's so complicated about a podcast? That's the name of the podcast, remember? Oh! Will you still be exploring topics that help us understand the week's news?

You bet, but we'll have a new name because we're going to be working together to explore complicated issues that are done in the news. Working together? Yeah, you're hosting it with me, remember? Oh, right! Wait, does that mean our podcast is going to have a steam op segment? Let's not get carried away. But we'll discuss hot new legal topics, so check out our new episode coming soon to everywhere you get podcasts as well as YouTube. What the hell, that's so crazy. There's another redacted paragraph here for harm to an ongoing matter, followed by a brief statement about how the IRA's online audience became larger, and so growing, how

they grew their audience is all redacted and how they track performance is all redacted. And that the IRA tracked US persons who were successfully recruited to do these types of tasks. So if they've got somebody, some sucker to hold up a happy birthday, progoation sign, they would keep track of these people. Then we have half a page of redacted information from an ongoing matter, which ends the section on recruitment of unwitting US persons. Then on page 33 we get to number 7 about interactions and contacts with the Trump campaign and

Mueller established two main forms of connection between the IRA members and members of the Trump campaign while simultaneously determining that there were no similar connections between the IRA and the Clinton campaign. So much for Trump supporters talking about Clinton being indicted for conspiring with the Russians. There are no connections between the IRA and the Clinton campaign. So if you get anyone coming out you say in Hillary was conspiring with the Russians, you can show them page 33 section 7. So yeah, they won't. But the two different, well, because Mueller's deep state. Right, right. That's not a read too. That's true. So, if the check with Trump's Twitter to see if he's deep state or if he's an honorable good man, that's just

state by day. That's correct. Yeah. One day he exonerates him next day, his report is bullshit. Yeah. So the two different ways in which Trump associates in the IRA were in contact were either by Trump people retweeting or reposting pro-Trump anti-hillary IRA posts or by the IRA directly communicating

with members of the Trump campaign to seek assistance with IRA rallies. So on the first type, with the Trump campaign associate promoting Russian propaganda, Mueller reports that Trump campaign affiliates promoted dozens of Russian posts, posts from 10 GOP, or that's the fake Tennessee Republican Party Twitter account set up by the IRA. We're shared by Don Jr. Eric Trump, Kellyanne Conway, Brad Parscale, and Mike Flynn. The posts include allegations of voter fraud, which is a Russian talking point as well as allegations that Clinton had mishandled classified information. Interesting thing about the voting fraud Russian talking point. Donald Trump himself, after after he won set up a voter fraud commission, which was disbanded in late 2017.

And just last week on May 1st, a federal judge responded to a FOIA request from the Brennan Center for Justice and the Project Democracy, Protect Democracy Project, same one that Jolisse was mentioning earlier. They were asking for emails from two agency officials about Trump's defunct voter fraud commission. The government tried to argue the request was too broad and would put undue work on them. But the judge said, nah, it's two people, you can do it. The plaintiffs in this case said, acting assistant attorney general John Gore and Department of Justice Attorney Maureen Reardon, both received information from the members

of the Voter Fraud Commission, and Gore sent messages about the commission to a member of that commission to her personal email address. The plaintiffs also alleged the Voter Fraud Commission was actually a tool used by the Trump administration to put up legal barriers to voting by eligible citizens. The judge agreed the FOIA request was reasonable under the law, especially because it took Gore 84 days to forward messages from his private email account to his work-related

account. And the judge also ruled that the Department of Homeland Security and Office of Management and Budget used search terms that were too narrow to look for the relevant information in the FOIA request for the plaintiffs. So they used a private email accounts, the length of time to forward relevant emails between accounts, and the two narrow search terms to retrieve documents for the plaintiffs were the main reason the judge said yes to this FOIA request. So the idea of voter fraud is Russian propaganda and it's part of their active measures campaign to interfere in our election. Trump has always claimed voter fraud.

He'll do it again in 2020 and he even set up a voter fraud commission which is now defunct but now must hand over documents and emails relating to the voter fraud Commission. And if the name John Gore sounds familiar, one of the two guys involved in this case, it should a couple of weeks ago, the Justice Department refused to honor a congressional subpoena for John Gore to appear to testify about the addition of the citizenship question to the 2020 census. Yeah. Do you remember that fuck? All right, back to the action. AG Connect and dots. Don June, you're retweeted a post from the IRA can the IRA controlled Pamela Moore account on November 7, 2017. Trump's personal Twitter account responded to a Russian tweet from 10GOP that said,

we love you, Mr. President. Muller also explains that the responses were monitored and gives the example that the Matt Skiber account on Facebook sent a message to its followers telling them Trump posted about their event in Miami. Oh my God. The final paragraph in this section is redacted for harm to an ongoing matter.

What could that be? What about a Trump campaign affiliate retweeting Russian propaganda would be part of an ongoing matter? Yeah, right? Yeah. Unless it's talking about their monitoring, their, you know, awesomeness or lack of awesomeness.

Like their performance review. Right. Their annual performance review. Yeah. Three stars. The second method of contact between the IRA and the Trump campaign is in part B on page 35 and it says that in each instance of the Russians reaching out to Trump affiliates they pretended to be Americans and were requesting things like help with signs, money for materials,

print materials to use at rallies, as well as requests to help promote and coordinate logistics. Some volunteers agreed to provide the support, but Mueller says there's no evidence that these people knew it was the Russians that we're asking, so they were all duped. And that's why this isn't a crime, because Russians convinced the Trump campaign associates that they were Americans themselves

and Trump supporters fell for it. Yeah, they're pleading, I was bamboozled. I guess that works. Tush, apparently. Then there's a brief closing paragraph summarizing that Mueller established the Russia interfered using active measures carried out by the IRA owned and funded by Progojian, and that the grand jury has alleged

that Progojian, his companies and the IRA violated US law through these operations by undermining through deceptive acts, the work of federal agencies charged with regulating foreign influence in a U.S. election. Boom! M. Scene. Nice.

R.A. Roasted. Yes. We yield our time. So weak. I like that one. That was spicy. It was right. Yeah.

And what's really interesting about that is we kind of knew all that. We told you about the parts we didn't already know. But we sort of knew all that. And we have the fourth of state. We have journalists to thank for that. Definitely. For that knowledge.

Yeah, I don't think, honestly, I understood, I knew that it was a lot that they did to influence the elections, but to have it all laid out, like that really adds a level of, like adding the gravity to it, I guess, that I don't think fully hit me until I read all of that. I think you did actually mention that when we had gone through the indictment of the Russians, and I remember you being like astounded by the level of detail and how widespread

and sweeping the interference was just on social media alone. Totally. I know we had talked about in a very early episode that we have no idea how deep this went and that's one of those tip of the iceberg things. This is just the tip of it. We don't even know the full extent of it. Now we kind of, yeah, how about a picture? It's kind of like when you see, like, if you've lost some weight and then you don't realize you've lost weight and you see an old picture of yourself,

we didn't realize how deep this went because when we first started hearing bits and pieces about it, like a year and a half ago, two years ago, we're seeing this little, and then little by little, these reports come out and just bit by bit, itch by itch, pound by pound, these reports come out. And we know now how big it is, but if we could look back and remember exactly how we felt when we found out that Russia bought one ad with Rubels on Facebook and we're like, whoa,

yeah, yeah. And compare that to how what we know now, it's pretty intense. Absolutely. Yeah, and it's like the internet, as it exists now in social media hasn't been around long enough to even be studied so much sociologically. So there's a level of them being ahead of the game to all of this that it's like, we will one day have

a bunch of theses written on this subject and how you influence like a global culture potentially or an electorate. I'm sure it'll come now because of this essentially. At some point, it'll be regulated, but right now, the internet and podcasting, these kind of things are the Wild West. We have no regulations, we have no nothing happening. And so it's like deadwood, everybody's a cocksucker up in this motherfucker. And that's what the GRU, they saw that in 2013 when they wrote that we have a new war plan.

And this is it, it's the internet, it's social media. And this is how we're gonna do it. This is how we're actually going to attack other countries, not with bombs, not with missiles. They can shoot those down, they can see that coming. Yeah. We're going to use this because first of all, it's completely and wildly unregulated. And this is how we do it. This is the Wild West.

Yeah, it's incredible what they did. You can't take that from them. It's absolutely incredible. And now when you think of them teaming up with North Korea, who actually create and bring up and make the most incredibly talented hackers in the world. And now they're meeting. And that's what frightens me about 2020. Yep. All right. Everybody, go ahead and have a good time. Um, this has been part two of our probably 10 part series. I don't know.

I thought it was going to be eight, but it's slow going. There's a lot in here. Um, it's going to take as many as it's going to take. I'm just going to call it a 10 part series until it's not anymore. Yeah. Sounds good. Yeah. Sound good.

And we, because we're just playing this by ear as we as we go through it piece by piece. But thank you guys so much for listening. Um, we really appreciate it. Uh, do you guys have any final thoughts? No, I'm just stoked to keep it going. Yeah, I like this. It's a really interesting. It's a beautiful piece of it's a beautiful work product. Yes. Yes. Someone in the FBI. I was a greatest book of the last 10 years for sure. Yeah, definitely. someone in the FBI. Ebenery. Greatest book of the last 10 years. For sure. Definitely.

That's pleased. Yeah, it's got to be the best seller by now, right? All those like copies. I'm wondering how many they've sold. A watch. A post. A post. A watch of Audible has one.

It might be the Washington, now you say. It's called the Washington Post. It's called the Washington Post. It's called the Washington Post. The reservoir. The reservoir of post. Yeah, I don't know. That'd be interesting too.

But, yeah. Man, it's got a lot in it, and it's really important, and apparently only 3% of Americans have read the entire report. Honestly, that's higher than I would have guessed. Well, you guys are in the top 3%. Welcome. That's nice. Yeah, that is nice. Yeah, I'm rarely in the top 3% of anything, so I'm excited. This is the first for me.

All right, guys, please self-care, remember self-care. This is a lot of information. It's a lot of hard-hitting, I'm sorry, I brought up the possible punishments for- But it's a possible reality, so. Unresponsive employees, it's a specialist, excuse me. I don't mean to don't play with their jobs. I'm also interested in what they get paid. Yeah, that might be

a part of that redacted thing too, where they talk about the payments and stuff like that and how it's funded. I'm interested to see what they paid. Really meta, if they outsourced and had Americans doing the job of Russian trolling. It's kind of forward Americans, man. Never, never. Good point. But no, I think they're definitely Russian. I've spoken to several of them on social media. Yeah. And they're definitely convinced, at least, in that area. For sure. For sure.

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