Jack - The Mueller Report - Pt. 4

Episode Date: June 13, 2019

Join the hosts of the award-winning podcast Mueller, She Wrote for part 4 of their special coverage of the Mueller Report! 

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And they still have time for other songs. They're fooling around. Who can stop? They might be giants and their liberal rocket gender. Who? No one. This had to stay for forward somebody else's money. So to be clear, Mr. Trump has no financial relationships

with any Russian oligarchs. That's what he said. That's what I said. That's obviously what the opposition is. I'm not aware of any of those activities. I have been called a surrogate at a time, a tree, and that campaign. And I didn't have, not have communications with the Russians. What do I have to get involved with Putin for?

I have nothing to do with Putin. I've never spoken to him. I don't know anything about a mother than he will respect me. Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. So, it is political. You're a communist! No, Mr. Green. Communism is just a red herring. Like all members of the oldest profession I'm a capitalist. Hello and welcome to Muller She Wrote and this is our special coverage of the Muller Report.

This is part four in our series. I'm your host A.G. and with me as always, are Jalisa Johnson. Hello. And Jordan Coburn. Hello. Today we are covering part of section four, only a small part because it's a huge effing section. And this section is called a Russian government

links and contacts with the Trump campaign beginning on page 66 if you're reading along. So this is where we just get into and by the way we all know the Mueller report is a summary and the summary here of the Trump campaign contacts with Russia is going to take us a few episodes, probably four episodes to cover. That's intense. That's how many campaign contacts, over a hundred, right? With Russia. This is the juicy-est section for her. Yes, outside of volume two. Yes, correct. This is volume one. That's true. So far, I guess I should have said. Certainly. Yeah. So the introduction to this section states the Office of Special Counsel was tasked

with investigating the third avenue of attempted Russian interference, which are the links between the Trump campaign in Russia, and that the office was unable to establish criminal coordination between the two parties. As we know, the threshold to charge is very high, and as explained previously, the fact that no conspiracy could be charged does not mean there were not significant links between the Russians and the Trump campaign. It also doesn't mean there was zero evidence of collusion. There's tons of it and we're about to go over in the next four episodes. Yeah, lots of gray area. So, Muller then explains that this section of the report will outline those links, mostly in chronological order from the early days of the campaign through the election and through transition. And in a fantasy report world throughout his presidency? Yeah, exactly. It's like he got,

and you know, he had to stop at some point. You got to draw a line. Otherwise, you'd just be in there forever. Yeah. I wish Lewandowski would have gone to him and been like, hey, can you only do like future stuff? And then he'd be like, sure, fingers crossed. Yes. And then just come out with two reports. That's my fantasy world. I like it. All right. So part A here of Russian government contacts with Trump folks covers the entire campaign period from September 2015 to November 2016. And this section is beefy. It has eight sections. The Trump Tower Moscow, Poppedopolis Carter Page, Demetri Symes and the Center for National

Interest, the June 9th 2016 Trump Tower meeting, the Republican National Convention, post-convention contacts with Kislyak and Paul Manafort. But we're only going to be covering today the Trump Tower Moscow and Poppedopolis. And then the next episode, we'll get to Carter Page and Demetri Simes and so on and so forth. That's how giant this section is. It's how many continents we're in. Very media. And this entire section begins by saying Russians and Russian media began showing interest

in Trump just months after he announced in June 2015 and that Mueller investigated the Trump Tower Moscow deal to see if there was any coordination related to the election. He then let us know that as the campaign progressed, Russian outreach progressed and that the office also looked into two of Trump's policy advisors and their connections to finding Dernan Hillary Clinton in the form of emails, a DC-based think tank with Russia connections, the Trump tower meeting, the national convention, post-convention contacts between Trump aides and Kislyak, and then of course, contacts through Manafort. There's a footnote here that gives an example of Russian outreach at the bottom of page

66 and how in August of 2015, a Russian reached out to Hope Hicks and for an interview with Trump and that a day earlier the publication registered the domain's Trump 2016.ru and Donald Trump 2016.ru. I am, are you? I wonder if I got those from GoDaddy. Oh yeah, I bet. Time to renew. GoDaddy dictator. GoDaddy.

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So yeah, and hope it's you guys, as you know, I don't know if you knew this today, today just to, what are we on June 12th. She agreed to testify to the House Judiciary Committee. I believe behind closed doors and they will publish the transcripts to that. Although I imagine anything she's asked about at her time in the White House or during the transition, she'll probably invoke executive privilege. Yeah.

And she's like massively pissing Trump off by cooperating with that. But sure, he's not behind it. I mean, I wouldn't imagine he is, but I kind of wonder. No, I don't think he's behind it, but I'm sure she's just trying to do what she can, but I think she'll just keep saying executive privilege and we'll be happy with that. Yeah, because that depends him. Yeah. And that by the way, she has no grounds on which to claim executive privilege. But I thought that she was not claiming that and she would like by responding to that request for documents and for testimony. That's her sort of define his plan of claiming executive privilege.

I just mean when she sits down in front of the closed door of Congress and they ask her about shit. Oh, you think she's gonna whine if she's saying that? That's the executive privilege. Oh, I wonder. Yeah, every time she says that, I'll just take a shit. Well, we'll never know. Because it's by and close doors, right?

Well, we get the transcripts, though. They're gonna release the transcripts. What a fun drinking game to read. Reading drinking games. Good. I'm a slow reader. All right, let's move on to page 67. read. Reading drinking games. I almost love reading. Alright, let's move on to page 67 and we'll get into section one under the campaign part

A. And this is about the Trump Tower Moscow project. We know all about this. There's a basic introduction saying that from 2013 to 2016, Trump is a douche. No, Trump was trying to build Trump Tower Moscow. And Cohen's spearheaded, not superheaded, he, he gave super head to all the project managers. No, he spearheaded the project from the fall of 2015 to mid-2016. The footnote reminds us that Cohen was charged for lying about the Trump Tower Moscow timeline. We know that. The next section talks about the elements of Trump Tower Moscow, including subsection A, under Pance, which is about the crocus Group and subsection B, which is about IC expert and Ritzkalladze.

We've heard of him. We've talked about him quite a bit in early episodes of the Molar Shirope main podcast. And then subsection C, Trump's letter of intent, and then subsection D, the travel propositions of Russian contacts. Woo! Moscow. So, subsection A is the Crocus Group. It covers a timeline for 2013 and 2014. Crocus group is a Russian real estate conglomerate owned by Iris Agalorov. Agalorov. Agalorov. And his son is a mean Agalorov. I think the pop star. Yeah, yeah, Christina Agalorov.

And they started just I don't know why that's the noise for her, but they started discussing Trump Tower Moscow project shortly after the 2013 Miss Universe pageant, very feminist organization, and that's according to Don Jr.'s testimony to the Senate Judiciary in September 2017, that's per the footnote. Trump Jr. was the negotiator for the Trump org and M. N. Agalaraf, the singer and son of Eris Agalaraf. Who else was there? Ike Cavalatsi, we've heard of him too. And sometimes Rob Goldstone.

Oh, that's right. Goldstone. Did that guys find a flying enter the radar? Like, it's so much more than I feel he deserves. We had him on the show and he just seemed like the nicest fella. Yeah, and every time he shows up, he's just like, that didn't know.

I mean, me. It's like every time that's what he does. Like a fall staff of the whole situation, like, whoopsie dude, old, girl, still. Yeah, I shouldn't have put that, but I an appeal outside that office. The goofiest, Bond villain of all. There you go, girl, still.

Anyway, he represented the Crocus group. And I would note here that this seems like a lot of the same folks that tried to organize the Trump Tower meeting in June of 2016. And it makes me wonder if Junior felt pressure to set up that meeting because of a potential tower deal. Like take this meeting, you know, don't you want Trump Tower Moscow to be built?

Yes. Again with the Goldstone thing. It's like it's one thing for him to be like, oh, I didn't know that that was really bad stuff about the whole dirt on Hillary Clinton thing, but then I didn't know that it was bad stuff about the Trump tower and a potential run for president. But it didn't British accent. Whoopsie. Yeah. Anyway, this is the epitome of compromise in my personal opinion. But we don't know about any of that because that's counterintelligence

stuff, not part of the Mueller report, But they did start the counterintelligence hearings today in Congress, so that was, we'll see where that goes. But in December 2013, Kovalatsi and junior signed a preliminary terms and later that month, Trump org accepted a 3.5% commission on all sales with no licensing fees or incentives. And they spent January and February of 2014 developing a letter of intent, two months to write a letter of intent. All this, according to emails, Mueller obtained. That's per the footnotes there.

Second paragraph on page 67 covers most of 2014 and goes onto the development plans, including that it was going to be an 800-yudet building constructed on an Agalar off-owned site called Crocus City. It's taken down to a Crocus City where the grass is green. Yeah, Crocus City, it sounds like a, it needs to be guarded with a mode of like a crocodile's or something. Oh yeah.

That would later get turned into jackets for money laundering purposes. Yeah, I think a lot of croaking like dead people. I just, oh, more bit. Yeah, croaks city. I don't like it. Crocuses are flowers, I think. Oh, okay.

We're good for that. It's a weird name for a flower. It is. It sounds like crocus. Yeah, something to just like. Oh, okay. It's a weird name for a flower. It is. It sounds like crocus. Yeah, something to just say. Something to just say. Yeah. I often think chlamydia is too pretty for an acidity name.

Right. Or sublime shouldn't mean happy, it sounds terrible. Exactly. Anyway, and you know, it just does. Then we found out Ivanka toward the site, Crocus City. Take me home. And this is the site with Emma Nagelar, I've toured with him in February of 2014. And this is interesting because of the emails

that were recently uncovered between Cohen and four Trump, Oregon, Trump family lawyers, namely, Fooderfoss, Abbey Lowl, Sekulo, and Alan Garten, that instruct Cohen to lie to Congress and say that Ivanka was not at all involved in any of this, and then dangled a pardon for Cohen, if he tells that lie. But here we have Ivanka touring the first Trump Tower involved in any of this and then dangled a pardon for Cohen if he tells that lie. But here we have Ivanka touring the first Trump Tower Moscow site in, you know, Kroka

City. Hey, so to think she had nothing to do with future negotiations, especially in the hotel she was going to have her own spa inside of is. I'm glad you mentioned that. Yeah, she literally was going to have a spa and a jewelry store in there, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Fine jewelry on both sides. We made jokes about that. Yeah. That's city. So by November 2014, Croca City talks, talks broke down and the Trumps did the old spaceman goodbye. That's something that's how Jordan leaves conversations. She puts on a jetpack and goes, it's amazing. Floats away. My ideal, my ideal exiting. Yeah, because we do, because it's an Irish goodbye when you just go to party and don't say bye to

everybody, but Jordan does the old space man. Yeah, that way you don't have to walk. Right, I like to moonwalk out of thing. And a sign is left behind that says Jordan has left the conversation. That's great. Again, the footnotes here show that Mueller got all this from emails. So these are emails. This isn't just somebody said something sometime and maybe he heard it.

Then we move on to part B here regarding IC Expert and Ritz Kalatze. And these are the talks that began on a new project idea in the summer of 2015. And this is where Felix Seder jumps in and gets with Cohen and they work on behalf of the Trump org. Seder had already worked on a previous Trump Tower Moscow deal. So he was familiar with what the Trump org was interested in.

And he also served as an informal agent to the Trump org when he accompanied Ivanka and Trump Jr. to Moscow in the mid-2000s. And there were a couple of different Trump Tower Moscow deals. And this is what Russia does. And we know this from David Korn and Michael Isakov in the book Russian Roulette. When he was talking about Carter Page, and they said, how did you deal with Carter Page? How did you get one over on him?

And the Russians said, well, we make him promise. Then we get documents from him. Then we tell him, go fuck himself. Right. That's their strategy. So here they are dangling these Trump towers and they never come to fruition. And we know from the fusion GPS Glenn Simpson testimony, he was really interested in why there were so many starts of deals in Moscow but nothing ever got done because ding ding ding that's a red flag that they're dangling. dangling buildings. yeah that's so funny I want to get like a little necklace like a little Moscow tower necklace just dangling. a dangle necklace I just yeah charm like a yeah yeah yeah yeah he went to Jared.

but that's this is what they do. did you need to make that pun? he went to Jared. that's fine. That's fine. That's brilliant. Yes. Unintended pun. Yeah.

And the Trumps fell for it because Ivanka found her ass in Russia multiple times. They just string you along. They just string you along. There is forms of it. You know, it's like that ant in Honey I Shrunk the Kids with the stick tied to it with the piece of the cookie, but it's tied to his own body, so he just keeps walking forward. He's never gonna get that cookie.

And then she's like, hey, I don't want anyone to know that I'm an idiot and went there multiple times, basically. I'm just gonna keep this between us. Oh, Ivanka. So, Sator reached out to Cohen on behalf of IC Expert. That's a Russian real estate corporation, much like Krokes, but with a better name.

And they were controlled by a dude named Andre Rossov. Sater has known Rossov since 2007 at least. And he and bought a building in New York with him in 2014. So he contacted Rossov to pursue a Trump Tower Moscow in which IC expert would build the thing and then license the Trump name for it. Which is all Trump does. He doesn't build anything.

He finds people who are building shit and sticks his name on it, which is all Trump does. He doesn't build anything. He finds people who are building shit and sticks his name on it and asks for money. Totally. The American way. It's like, that's the smallest dick energy I can think. Oh, definitely. We have something on the show here new here. We call it small dick energy.

And it doesn't actually have anything to do with your size of your penis. Right. It's just how you act. And just give me money to put my name on your building. It's a good example of that energy. Yeah, infuriating he was able to even remotely create a business around that.

If he lost it, well now we know he didn't make any money off of it. He lost a billion dollars. Biggest loser, big Lee. Cohen was the only Trump org person to negotiate directly with IC expert and got permission to do so from Canada Trump in September of 2015. And he kept Trump directly informed about

the progress. Cohen also communicated with Ivanka about an architect and with junior all in the fall of 2015 and these are beans come true guys. This architect isn't named here but I know it's John Fodiotis. We reported on Fodiotis and added him to our fantasy indictment draft in December of 2018. He's the guy who immediately shattered his 10-year-old architectural firm, the minute CNBC reached out to him about the Trump Tower Moscow project, it just disappeared. And we knew back then, Mueller was looking closely

at Fodiatis, who Trump has used in all of his Eastern European projects. Might be worth drafting for your fantasy indictment team. According to footnotes on this page, all of this information came from Mueller's interviews with Cohen, Seder, and Ross Off, but not Fodiotis, which means he's either a worthless or a target. He's on the run. He's like some beans on that, God.

He's an artist, he can build his own bridges and get away. And Burnham just built Burnham. Oh, that's great. I'm more in line to think he's just worthless. Yeah, yeah, definitely. And why do you get spooked? What's that about? Because worthless people are scared. Space man goodbye. Okay, okay. That's right. He did space man goodbye. That one. He did. Yeah. Solid. Hold on. Well done. Yeah.

Cody Yade. What's his name? Cody Yade. He strikes me as a type of person that wouldn't be able to commit to even whatever level of criminality that wouldn't even reach totally. I can't, I can't do it. I'm just here. I'm just gonna shut down his hole from you just. I wasn't trying to walk it. Yeah, like he was dipping his toes in the water of sketchy deals or something and he got spooked. Yeah, but it's not. But he has a history of that. Right. And you know, I get for him if he ran into the direction, you know, toes, 40 odd is. I like that. Maybe make me a beat, right? Okay.

Anyway, the photography. You're talking to me. Okay. I never love that part. That fall Cohen reached out to Ritz Kaladze. This is the guy from the first Trump Tower of Moscow deal with Krokes today. And Ritz Kaladze forwarded that to an associate saying, if we could organize a meeting in New York City

at the highest level of the Russian government and Mr. Trump, this project would definitely receive worldwide attention. I'm sure that's exactly how we talk. Cohen and Ritz-Kaladze came back and forth, they emailed back and forth a lot, trying to get the project off the ground, but Cohen eventually decided, fuck you, Crocus group, going with IC expert instead, because it's got expert in the name, they're

fucking expert. Of course, of course. All this is according to the emails, Mueller got, uh, for the footnotes here on this page. I'm Greg Oliar. Four years ago, I stopped writing novels to report on the crimes of Donald Trump and his associates. In 2018, I wrote a bestselling book about it, Dirty Rubles.

In 2019, I launched Proveil, a biweekly column about Trump and Putin, spies and mobsters, and so many traders! Trump may be gone, but the damage he wrought will take years to fully understand. Join me, and a revolving crew of contributors and guests, as we try to make sense of it all. This is Proveil. Now, on to Section C about the letter of intent and contacts with the Russians between October 2015

and January 2016. So between October and November 2015, Trump and I see expert, signed a letter of intent. This is the one we got where when we was like, oh, pearls clutch them because we found out he was trying to build a tower. The whole time his campaign was like, I got nothing to do with the Russians, Noma.

And, you know, Maniford's like, that's what our position is. No contacts, no business deals. And here he is, assigned letter of intent in November 2015 with Trump and icy experts. And we reported on that when the news outlet obtained the copy of the letter, said both parties intended to facilitate further discussions

to enter into a mutually acceptable agreement for Trump Tower Moscow. IT expert then goes into the terms, which are boring, but basically would it earn substantial sums of money for Trump without Trump having to assume any significant liabilities or financial commitments. $100 million, $180 million or something like that. A lot of f-ing money. Oh, yeah. Now, are you compromised?

I'm sure we'll find out in the counter intelligence information as that comes to light if it does. November 3rd, 2015, after the letter of intent was signed, say to email Cohen to tell him how the project could help Trump get elected. And we've all heard this email. If you've listened to the podcast, I don't know, maybe, if you're not into this, you haven't heard this email, but we sure have. Buddy our boy can become president of the USA and we can engineer it. What an opening line. Seriously.

Buddy our boy. Yeah. I'm surprised that GOP is an accusing Sator of being a planted mole whose like sole job was to get Trump's campaign to be investigated with that email. You totally. I will get all Putin's team to buy in on this. I will manage this process. Michael Putin gets on stage with Donald for a ribbon cutting for Trump Tower Moscow and

Donald owns the Republican nomination and possibly beats Hillary and our boy is in. We will manage this process better than anyone. You and I will get Donald and Vladimir on stage together very shortly. This is a game changer. Sater than followed up the same day with this email. Donald doesn't stare down. He negotiates and understands the economic issues and Putin only wants to deal with a pragmatic leader. And successful businessman is a good candidate for someone who knows how to negotiate business, politics, whatever. It's all time for someone who knows how to deal.

I think I can get Putin to say that at a Trump Tower Moscow press conference, if he says it, we own this election. America's not difficult. Adversary, it's really poorly worded, sorry. Agreeing that Donald is good guy to negotiate. We can own this election. Michael, my next steps are very sensitive with Putin's very, very close people. We can pull this off. Michael, let's go. Two boys from Brooklyn, getting a USA president elected. Oh my god. This is really, really good. The footnotes on this page indicate that's all information on page 71. It came from Cohen, Seder, and Ross off emails as well as the letter of intent. So those are all emails. And according

to Cohen, moving on to page 72, he did not realize the political import of Trump Tower Moscow, nor did he recall speaking to anyone from the Trump campaign about it. But he did not realize the political import of Trump Tower Moscow, nor did he recall speaking to anyone from the Trump campaign about it. But he did say he recalled Trump saying the campaign would be a great infomercial for Trump brand properties. Oh, of course. I mean, I would think about that for a while, how he had Trump TV in the works. I don't think he really wanted to win. Maybe he was open to it, but mostly they seem to have backup plans there,

like to use the campaign as a propeller for something back in the media, you know? Absolutely. Yeah, to make a whole new channel for just fuck faces. And he happened to win. Putin probably really wanted to win, but Trump was like, I'll just ride this wave, you know, just to knock. I don't think you expected to win, you're like, just always face that night, right? Yeah, I just made it back.

I wish they could all see. Then the next subsection under pants goes on to talk about post-LOI contacts with Russia opening by saying, Sator told Cohen he felt they would need to go ahead from a high-ranking Russian official or high-ranking Russian officials, and if they could get Putin, they'd be golden. Well, yeah, because there's not really a high-ranking Russian official. Sator then reached out through another Russian business contact. Then a month after the letter of intent, Klokov's wife, Lanna Urkova, or Kovac, I think it's her Chova, emailed Ivanka

to offer Clocoff assistance. So, her Chova, Ivanka, Clocoff assistance to the Trump campaign. Ivanka then forwarded that email to Cohen and these Ivanka communications are important because of the Trump lawyers again, urging Michael Cohen and later emails to say Ivanka had nothing to do with any of this.

She's totally innocent, sweet, sweet girl. Right, she is forwarded them because, you know, it was an accident. Yeah, totally, her fingers lit, you know. You know, reply all, hey, when I do that. So Cohen Googled Klockoff and found, he thought he found him, but what he actually found was a former Olympic weightlifter.

Oh, that's so funny. But he thought it was him, but it wasn't him. I got to meet his trump hangs out with wrestlers. He's like, could be this guy. Yeah, he gave us some wrestler a trophy. Yeah, yeah. And mean is a pop star. Everything's fucked. Yeah, the reality isn't real. But eventually Cohen got a hold of the actual clock off who urged him to travel to Russia and meet with an intermediary and hopes those conversations would lead to another meeting with Putin. They argued a bit about whether it would be an official visit or an unofficial visit

and then the conversations ended without follow through. So they ghosted. By late December 2015, again, that's another example of a Russian just dipping out, trying to hook and then leaving them. Go fuck your Russian. The Russian space man, goodbye. Yes, which is a go fuck yourself.

Yeah, I mean, like Sator's email saying, we can do this, come on, two to Brooklyn boys getting a US president elected. That's exactly what they want. They want to let the dangling lights that fire under them. Yeah, they can use that to get him elected when really they're going to use him and get jobs in the administration. Yeah, absolutely 100%. So by late December 2015, Cohen was frustrated that Sator

hadn't really set up any useful meetings. So he ventured out on his own, emailing the Russian press secretary Peskov that he got from the website. And Putin's chief of staff Ivanov, but he entered the email addressing correctly, huh? Of course. So he emailed the press secretary again in January, saying, hey bro, our talks on Trump Tower have stalled, hook a brother up, and he emailed again two days later asking to speak with Putin's chief of staff Ivanov.

Cohen told Congress he didn't remember getting responses, but the lie detector said that was a lie. And Cohen admitted he lied to the office and continued communicating with them and working on the deal through June 2016. There was a little more back and forth with Ivanov's personal assistant, Cohen and Sator, inviting Cohen to travel to meet with him, but Cohen never went. His phone went went though, probably. His phone went. His phone goes everywhere without him. Then we get to the top of page 76, subsection D, entitled Discussions about Russia Travel

by Michael Cohen or candidate Trump, December 2015 to June 2015. 2016, excuse me. Part one is Sators Overtures to Cohen to travel to Russia. So this is the little detail about Sator trying to get him to come over. Mueller says here that those late January travel discussions were not the first or the last about Cohen contemplating travel to Russia. Then they outline emails beginning in late 2015 that include discussions where Seder repeatedly tries to get Cohen to come to Russia.

One of the first emails reads, please call me. I have you have Gennie DeVoskin on the other line. He needs a copy of you and Donald's passports. So they need to scan of every page of the passports. Invitations and visas will be issued this week by VTB Bank. That's amazing. To discuss financing for Trump Tower Moscow. They're just trying so hard to get whatever they can. That's a sanctioned bank by the moment.

Politically, neither Putin's office nor Ministry of Foreign Affairs can not issue invite, so they are inviting commercially business politically as if they give any fucks. Right? So VTB is Russia's second biggest bank and VTB bank CEO, Andrei Kostin, will be at the meetings with Putin so that it's a business meeting and not political. We will be invited to Russia and Consulate this week to receive invite and have visa issued. Thank you.

VTB Bank is one of the possible entities that is in a secret subpoena battle with Mueller, the secret company from country A. Now the DC-US Attorney's Office has that case. Last July, Mueller issued a subpoena to a foreign state-owned entity with a US office, or US offices, that does significant business in the US, and Judge Barrel Howell held the company in contempt, finding them 50,000 a day, until they handed over the documents. They refused, claiming sovereignty, but ultimately lost,

and handed over nearly 1,000 documents to special counsel. But special counsel objected, saying there was a mysterious chunk of time missing, so the judge up to the contempt finds to 300,000 a day. But then resolved the case a couple days later and removed the contempt fines to 300,000 a day, but then resolved the case a couple days later and removed the contempt order when Mueller's investigation ended. And it seemed to surprise everyone in the court documents as they had all expected to have more time to file motions.

In recently released court documents, we found out that the secret subpoena case goes to the heart of the Russian investigation and was actually opened before Mueller was appointed, but handed off to him because it was applicable to Mueller's jurisdiction. Many feel that VTB bank could be that secret entity as it was poised to finance Trump Tower Moscow among other things. I personally think the secret company is owned by a golf state because both prosecutors put on the case, both in the DCUS attorney's office and in the special counsel's office are Middle East experts. So I figure it's maybe cutter investment authority or maybe Mubidala investment fund,

but the identity is still unknown, and New Court order indicates that will not release the identity anytime soon. So I'm hoping a journalist cracks it. Oh yes, that's what I'm hoping. Is there God's dead men, where do you at? Patriots, who's not leaking? Why is there not anyone leaking?

Yeah, we need that, or unredictive, or report leak too, just get it overweight. I need deep throat? Yeah, we need that or unredacted Mueller report leak too. Just get it overweight. Any deep throat. Yeah. We need any deep throat. All right guys, so anyway, I'm co-intested, say, or an image of his passport.

And then asked Rhona Graff, that's Trump's assistant, for Trump's, which apparently was not sent. I wouldn't send him a copy of my passport either. Mueller notes here that DeVervoskin is an executive of GenBank and is under US sanctions on the O-Faclist. He was deported from the US in 2000 for crime stock fraud. Then made 77. More communications between Sator and Cohen in April of 2016, three months later. Sator asked Cohen if he was coming to Russia. Just, you know, not coming, but to Russia.

Two Russia. He said in an email, I had a chat with Moscow, just the town, I guess, assuming the trip, assuming the trip does not happen, the questions is before or after the convention. I said I believe, but I don't know for sure. That's, it's probably after the convention. Obviously the pre-meeting trip, you only can happen anytime you want, but the two big guys wear the question.

Yeah, I don't know. Well, he tried. I said I would confirm and revert. Let me know about if I was right by saying I believe after Cleveland, and also when you want to speak with them and possibly fly over. Google Translate is a thing. I can't just say, just say like you coming over bra. Yeah, that's you. Yeah Sinked yeah word salad

So say to reach that that's by the way is how you identify a Russian troll in the internet research Oh, definitely I'm bothered tweet like that. Yeah, yeah, it's a very distinct pattern Because of the way that the Russian language is the Russian language is set up in the way in how English is different with Subjects and nominators and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, it's a very distinct pattern because of the way that the Russia language is the Russian language is set up In the way in how English is different with subjects and nominative stuff like that. You can feel it something else It's that liberals will point that out as I think we should but then the people that you know Or I guess in support of the bots They'll be like oh you're just making fun of the fact that they don't speak proper like Yeah, like indirectly in support of the bots because they're just making it out like you know how I've heard some

Conservatives like say that liberals are so nitpicky about language, but I'm like no, it's important that we see these patterns Yeah, I'm not making fun of them cuz in Russia right I be angry at him because they're sitting in a Russian troll farm right now trying to interfere in our democracy Yeah, exactly and if anything that language sounds more advanced than the ways like Speaking for sure. I think the Russian language is beautiful. Oh, definitely, yeah, yeah. But yeah, I know what you mean. Like, will you make fun of the way I talk?

English is my second language. Thought you liked immigrants. Right, they missed the point. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. All right, so I had a chat with Moscow. I let's have that opening line. Me and Moscow chat on the phone.

So Seder reached out again in, trying to tie Cohen's travel to the St. Petersburg International Forum, saying, Peskov would like to invite you as his guest to the St. Petersburg Forum, which is Russia's Davos. It's June 16th to 19th. He wants to meet there with you and possibly introduce you to either Putin or Medvedyev, as they are not sure if one or both will be there. This is perfect. The entire business class of Russia will be there as well. He said anything you want to discuss includes dates and subjects are on the table to discuss. Seder texted Cohen again the next day to see if those dates,

he's really desperate, man. She'll allow you to wait two days, right? Oh yeah, two, I was gonna say three, but two, two is fine. Is it a standard three days now? For Jesus. Okay, for Jesus. It's all who we want to be. Totally.

The next day, he texted him the next day to see if those dates worked. You can't do it, can you do it? And Cohen just replied, works for me. And Sator kept on sending him stuff about the trip, promising Putin would be there or Medvedev. But Cohen felt like he was, Cohen really felt like he was blowing smoke up his ass.

And he wasn't at all connected to Putin or anyone else important for that matter. So on June 14th Cohen met Sator and the lobby of Trump Tower and told him he would not be traveling to Russia. So I got a full shit, bro. Yeah, it's nasty. I feel like you're dangling. I feel bamboozled. Russian.

You've set me and I'm just not falling for it. Yeah, seriously. It turns out Cohen is the smartest guy. What other words are like, when people lie like, hop knock Yeah, seriously, it turns out Cohen is the smartest guy. Yeah, one of their words are like, when people lie, like, hop knocker, like, there's some weird English words. Is that like a different, yeah, yeah, I heard that one on I Carly.

I don't think it's as vulgar as it sounds, yeah. My favorite is Maddo's, they're telling porky pies. There you go, see cute things like that. Porky pies. So we get to subsection two on page 78 about Trump's opportunities, Trump's opportunities now to travel to Russia. Muller determined that there was evidence of the possibility of Trump traveling to Russia

during the Trump Tower of Moscow negotiations in two contexts. First, Cohen said he talked to Trump about traveling to Russia twice. Once in late 2015, once in spring 2016, Trump said he was willing to travel if it would actually help the project significantly. And Cohen asked Lewandowski to help coordinate, but he said he get back to him when he had solid dates. So he's like, Lewandowski's like, get back to me when you have a date figured out. Cohen indicated though that he knew Trump would not be able to travel before the convention because of how busy his campaigns got to us.

Second context of Trump traveling. Trump also got an invitation to the St. Petersburg International Forum where Ivanka's fashion friend, Mira Duma, sent the invitation to Trump and Ivanka on behalf of the Deputy Prime Minister. Another way the Russians are reaching out to the Trump campaign through Ivanka's fashion buddies and sent a letter on behalf of the Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation. And I'm pretty sure that's the guy Nastya Rybka filmed on the yacht with Olektarapaska who was passing along the Maniford Private Campaign briefing information. He got from on the yacht with Oleg Darapaska, who was passing along the Manafort Private Campaign briefing information.

He got from Kalimnik to pay back Darapaska. Anyhow, Trump declined. Too busy. Okay. According to Mueller report, it did not appear that Ronograft did not immediately send the formal declination. According to Trump's written answers, Graph sent the letter two weeks later. That's the first mention of Trump's written answers to Mueller's questions in this report.

And it's notable that Mueller decided to ask him about the invitation to the St. Petersburg International Forum. The footnote says that in volume 2 of Pentexia, it explains that Mueller sent questions to Trump September of 2018. Trump provided the answers in November. And further, the prepared declination letter from Ronograph is asked in question four part E of Mueller's questions. So I just think it's weird. It just doesn't seem like a big deal to me. Why is Mueller asking about the invitation to the St. Petersburg International Forum? Yeah. Yeah. Maybe. Go ahead. I was just going to say, do you have any idea now? It's still kind of bogglesy a little bit. Yeah. Maybe there's a little answer later on, but I mean, it's like, what? Who gives it? Yeah. I guess

just maybe try to investigate the context of all of his travels or potential travels or invitations, connections, contacts, yeah, yeah, just in any. But you didn't go into the sense, yeah, it was just an invitation. Yeah. But it did take Rhona Graff a couple weeks here, check this out, because right around the same time Rhona was preparing that letter, a New York investment banker named Robert Forzman, who was a friend of the producer of the apprentice Mark Burnett, reached out to her to Ronan Graf saying the Russian friends wanted Trump to

speak at the St. Petersburg investment forum. In an initial email to Graf, right, Forzman said he had a lot of experience with Russia in Ukraine. He successfully set up a back channel between Putin and Bush and wanted to meet with Trump or Lewandowski or some other relevant person to discuss that and some other stuff, but he was uncomfortable talking about it in unsecure email. Oh, well, get on him. So, graph forward to that email

to another Trump executive assistant in the spring of 2016. So, maybe this is a big deal because now we've got this guy, Forzman, a friend of Mark Burnett, from the apprentice coming in saying, I set up a back channel between Bush and Poo and you want me to? Yeah, that's hard core.

There are so many connections there too. It's like the back channel is an issue and then also Mark Burnett is an issue with the P.P. tape stuff or the apprentice stuff. I just heard that he has things on Trump himself. Oh, and all the racist stuff that he's out on B-roll. Yeah, yeah, totally in-roll. Yeah, and also in-roll.

It also makes you want to go, oh god. Yeah. I'm so excited, guys. I'm to go. Oh God. Yeah. I'm so excited guys. I'm so excited. To my white brain in a second. But it also makes you want to go back and look at all of Bush's foreign policy. I'm like, dissect every time. Totally.

I know I want Maddo to do a backman too about that. Oh yeah. The Mark Burnett back channel with Bush. Burnett Bush back channel. There you go. Backman. Backman. Oh, quadru back channel. There you go. Back man. Back, oh quadruple B. There's no back man in that, but still,

it would be a good pod. Cause she uncovered some crazy bush shit in her back man podcast, which is why I went to Peabody. Absolutely. So anyway, after no immediate response, Forseman reached out twice more to Ronograph. She apologized and forwarded the message to Lewandowski. And then in May, she forwarded Forseman's

April 30th email to Stephen Miller It's Stephen right not Stefan. Yeah, I say Stephen. I hope he's not you I was Steven because I just know some guys are like it's Stefan Yeah, he just seems like that's kind of Pretentious That email asked her if she could maybe set up the meeting with trump junior or Eric so that for asman could convey what he needed to convey to Trump To someone that Trump absolutely trusts to set up this back channel.

Right? I'm important. I know your friend from the apprentice. Muller found no other communication until Forrestman contacted the Trump crew to try to get himself a job in the administration during transition. And when asked, he said he wasn't trying to set up a back channel between Trump and Putin. And when he bragged about setting up the back channel between Bush and Putin, he said, I was just burnishing my credentials.

Oh. Just, you know, hashtag humble brag. Okay. Right. Interesting. So this whole part of the story we have never heard about until the Mueller report came out. And this Forseman guy trying to set up a back channel,

it's just another guy trying to set up a back channel. And it being important enough for Mueller to ask about it in those written questions he sent over to Trump. Yeah, phrase. Any back channel, I imagine, will be a red flag, it and those written questions he sent over to Trump. Yeah. In the back channel, I imagine it will be a red flag, but this one is especially interesting. It's weird, right? Very weird. All right, so then we get to the bottom of page 80 and the section on George Poppidopolis.

We're going on to pop it up now. We call him Poppidop. Poppidop was one of a handful of woefully unqualified foreign policy advisors to the Trump campaign from March through October of 2016. He was approached in April of 2016 by London-based professor Joseph Miffsoud, immediately after Miffsoud's trip to Moscow, and he told Poppidopoulos the Russians had dirt on Hillary in a form of thousands of emails. Poppidop told a few people about it, including the Trump campaign, as well as a foreign diplomat, who isn't named here, but we know it's probably Alexander Downer from Australia.

And for several months, pop it up worked with Miffsoud and two Russian nationals to arrange the meeting between the campaign and the Russian government, but that meeting never came to pass. And the last we heard Miffsoud was missing, right? Leaving behind a pregnant fiance. We haven't heard anything about him.

There's a baby in his fiance running around here. Yeah, always makes me sad. I don't know where he is. So the footnote about this says, he met several times with special counsel in the summer and fall of 2017 popodopolis did after he was arrested and charged with lying in a January 2017 interview. Same month Flynn lied to the FBI.

About that timing and extent of his meetings, he lied about the timing and extent of his meetings with Mifsood and those two Russian nationals, Olga Polnitskaya and Ivan Timofiv. And I don't know if it's pronounced Timofiv or not, but that's how I like it. So, there you go. Well, take it. Mueller then outlines the origins, the oranges of the Pop-A-Dop campaign work. And Pop-A-Dop wanted a role in the campaign in 2015, but he didn't get it. So, he went over to Deben Carson with a car man's truck like that.

Coffee boy, a senior coffee boy maybe. to Ben Carson, with a poor man's Trump like that. Coffee boy, a senior coffee boy maybe. Yeah, definitely. He left Carson in February of 2015 and reached out again to Lewandowski through LinkedIn. Super. Nice. Official.

During that time, Trump was getting shit in the media for having a crap foreign policy team. So Clovis got poppin' opalus's referral, Google him and decided he'd be great. He helped Trump's foreign policy team seem legit. During his interview, it was made clear to him that Russia would be an important part of Trump's foreign policy, according to Pop-A-Dopolis.

And Pop-A-Dop was hired in March. That was their answer to people making fun of his foreign policy team, to put Pop-A-Dopolis on it. Nice. So if you're getting shit for having an experienced idiot foreign policy and you think pop it up is a good idea. I don't even know where to file you. I don't know where to put you.

That's strange. In my head. So then we get to section B in his initial related contacts, Russia related contacts. A week after being hired, pop it up went to Italy where he was introduced to Mif Sud. Side beans here. This is where I think he met Simone Mangionte and has it, Oleg Darapasca's yacht was somewhere nearby. Oh, shit. Rumor has it. This first full paragraph on page 82, that's where we're at right now. It goes into some detail on Mifsood. And the interesting thing to me is that name,

the name's appeared to be redacted, but not for harm to an ongoing matter, but investigative technique. I don't understand why names would be redacted for investigative technique. But basically the paragraph describes Misfsid maintained various contacts with Russians while living in London, including a person that worked for the internet research agency whose name is redacted. Then in January in February 2016 Misfsid redacted, met with another redacted person from another

redacted person, possibly meeting in Russia. So two more redacted people, and then the IRA redacted guy, but Mueller found no evidence of the meeting at all. And then later in the spring, that original redacted person from the IRA was also in contact with another redacted person's Facebook account that was linked to an employee of the Russian military defense, and that account had overlapping contacts with a group of Russian controlled Facebook accounts, someone that were used to promote DC leaks. I guess giving the names would also give away the techniques somehow in this case.

That's very interesting. That's why I don't get it. The name for privacy or the name for ongoing matter. Or the name for grand jury material. Inside beans, only Mueller knows that one. The name was redacted for an investigative technique and And it makes me question Bars' redactions here. Oh, because this is Bars? Oh, yeah.

Oh, I forgot that he's the one that actually redacted. The sound of it. Steep. So anyhow, that Rome trip was when Mifso'd met Pompadop for the first time. Love is in the air. And at first, Mifso'd didn't seem interested in him until they locked eyes across the crowd. No, until after he told him he was going to be on the Trump campaign. And then Mifso was like, oh, I guess that's the man.

And he told him he could introduce him to some important Russians, which made Papa Dot think that would increase his importance as a foreign policy advisor. Grossly, my son understands the role totally. Interestingly, but no 415 is redacted here for investigative technique and harm to an ongoing matter. And that's the redacted name of the guy who worked at the Internet Research Agency. Oh. So the guy who worked at the Internet Research Agency is being investigated currently

for an open and ongoing matter. That's interesting. It might have been one of those Russians that we were talking about that's gonna be subsequently indicted for maybe, but the GRU, it wasn't the IRA that was hacking the D-trip or the DNC, so I'm not quite sure. I haven't put it together yet, but I'll think about it.

I just think that that's a weird, investigative technique slash harm to an ongoing matter. Has to do with Mifsood. Stone is mentioned in the Russian indictment, so that could be the ongoing matter here. That would make sense You know considering stone has his trial coming up. Yeah, cuz maybe this IRA dude is one of the indictees in and because stone is Mentioned in it and they're involved it's harm to an ongoing matter. Yeah, yeah, I can see that on March 17th Happy Saint Patrick's Day, Papadopoulos returned to London from Rome. And four days later, Trump named him a member of his foreign policy and national security advisory team, chaired

by Jeff Sessions, calling him an oil and energy expert and an excellent guy. Oh, wow, two lies. And on March 24th, that's a week later, Papadop-Dot met with Miffsoud and Olga Polnyskaya, who he thought was Putin's niece, but wasn't. Remember that mix up? And she said she could introduce him to the Russian ambassador to London, but that never happened, Dangle. Following that meeting,

Pop-a-Dot sent an email to the foreign policy advisory team, saying, I just finished a very productive lunch with a good friend of mine, Joseph Miffsoud, the director of the London Academy of Diplomacy, who introduced me to Putin's niece and the Russian ambassador in London who acts as the deputy foreign minister. Inflating, he was so proud, I bet.

The topic of the long belt wasn't even in his life. Yeah, that too. The topic of the lunch was too arranged in between us and the Russian leadership to discuss U.S. Russia ties under President Trump. They are keen to host us in a neutral city or directly in Moscow. Not a neutral city. Fair enough.

Or a very non-neutral city. Yeah, we just go on an island. One that sends chills down people's minds. White island, is it available? Or a Alcatraz. What's going on in the back? We go to Rikers if you guys want some both of you. Oh my god And then then they said a leadership including Putin is ready to meet with us and mr. Trump

Should they be interest waiting for everyone's thoughts on moving forward? What's very important is I like your pop it up. Oh, thanks. That's how he sounds in my head Then the paragraph at the top of page 85 is really interesting It says that at the time pop it up, sent that message, Clovis perceived a shift in Trump's version of Russia from engaging Russia through NATO, through a NATO framework and taking a strong stance against Russian aggression in Ukraine. That's the initial view, NATO framework. And they shifted that over to redacted due to grand jury material.

So everything that exists now. Basically, conspiring to win the campaign. And so I don't know if that's what it says, but it's effectively. Grand jury material. This footnote is also, well, this week, and it's interesting because this week the House Judiciary voted to authorize the committee to go to court to petition for the release of grand jury material to the House. If it's a penis, it doesn't have to take it to a full house vote or go through the DOJ and go directly to court.

Nice. And demand these documents. Do not pass code. I hope this is part of something we're able to learn about. It's not, I hope it's not classified forever, but whatever the shift was, Clovis has replied to pop adopt, not reflect that shift. That's why they bring up the shift was clovus is replied a pop dot not reflect that shift that's why they bring up the shift yes that because his his pa you know clovus is reply was more along the NATO framework

and the ukraine aggression framework uh... his his his reply is this this is most informative let me work through the campaign no the commitments until we see how this plays out my thought uh... no commitments until we see how this plays out my thought is that probably should not go forward with any meetings with the Russians until we have had occasion to sit with our NATO allies, especially French, Germany and Great Britain. We need to reassure our allies that we're not going to advance anything with Russia until

we have everyone on the same page, more thoughts later today. Great work. Wow. He sounds like he thinks. Yeah, it sounds reasonable. What an idiot. It's an idiot. It's a cover-up email going on the NATO framework when we know we've shifted to this redacted new framework of the way they think about Russia. Yeah, that's true,

with that back channel. Yeah, no, I like that detective work there. That sounds like something a psycho would do, yeah. Totally. So Clovis was still talking like they were going to engage Russia through the NATO framework. Though by then the focus on Russia had shifted to something we don't know about. Like I said, it's redacted because of grandeur and material. I hope we get to find that out before I die. Otherwise preserve my head. Then we get to Part C and March 31st foreign policy meeting. We all know this one.

That's the famous meeting that Trump tweeted a photo of, the one with Trump at one end of the table, sessions at the other end. We reported on where sessions seemed totally cool with Russia contacts and this is where Mueller outlines everything he knows about it. And we know from public reporting what happened in the meeting. They all introduced themselves and when it was pop-a-dops turn, he said he could arrange a meeting with Putin and Trump. And according to pop-a-dop and JD Gordon, Trump seemed interested.

But only pop-a-dopry calls sessions being cool with it. JD Gordon and two others thought sessions was not so jazz. Oh, so his Pobodop's is bad at reading body language or something? And JD Gordon. Maybe he just has a weird face and you can't, you can't read it. What's JD Gordon's deal? He's just on that for counsel. Yeah, okay, cool.

Campain. Because we haven't really heard his name past that. That's a good point. There's a Russian roulette a lot and it's been a minute. That's like this point in time now, like in the timeline. Oh, yeah, no, he's he's space-manned by that. Yeah, I feel like sessions would have resting racist face and it'd be hard to read that. He'd do that totally doesn't. And everyone just knew sessions was racist. That's what that's what the take away was. And then part D on page 86, pop it up learns Russia had dirt in the form of Clinton emails. Whatever was said at that March 31st meeting,

pop it up was understood, you know, whether people, you know, whether sessions was cool with it or not or who was not jazzed or who wasn't jazzed, pop it up, understood they wanted him to continue to work to arrange this meeting. That was his understand. That was his takeaway. Right. So we did that when he returned to London. And page 87 talks about all the back and forth emails between Miffsood and Polen Skaya trying to coordinate meetings. And eventually Polen Skaya says the Russian Federation would be interested in a meeting with Trump once he secured the nomination. And all this information came from Poppedopolis

himself and his testimony and emails he provided. Yeah, that's the source. Straight from the Horsesma. he provided. Damn, that's the source. Straight from the horse's mouth. He's horse-like. Like a pony. So Mifsa'd put pop-a-dup, po-poo, po-poo, po-poo. Mifsa'd put pop-a-dopoulos in touch with Timifeev. Okay, this is the other, it's that, you know, Poland's guy on Timifeev or the two Russian

contacts that he lied about being in touch with. So Mifsa'd put him in touch with Timifey, after Mif said travel to Moscow, and over the next several weeks in April, the two had multiple Skype conversations about setting up a meeting between the campaign and Russian officials. Pop it up to Old Mueller, he thought the conversation was being monitored by a third party, because Timifey was acting all official like, and he heard weird noises on the line. No shit, fuckface, it's Russia. Right.

I had a sneaky feeling on my call with Russians about cheating crimes that I was being watched. It's comments like that that he's saying he wants to take back now that he didn't get whatever deal he thought he was deserving of. He's like, I shouldn't have told them. He's already done with his four hours in prison or whatever the fuck he did. Shut up. So Mifso got back to watch. Sorry. I was imagining him writing like a book like Memoirs from a prison man. He's always talking about his stint. Hey man. Back when I was in the joint.

Yeah. I can totally hear it. So Miffsa got back to London April 25th and then another stop in Rome and met Poppodot for breakfast at the Andas. So he went to Rome and came back to London April 25th met Poppodot breakfast Andas. That's when Miffsa told him the Russians had Clinton emails That's London April 25th then May 7th couldn't even keep his mouth shut for two weeks pop it up was bragged to Alexander downer in the London pub Then part E Russia related communications with the Trump campaign and this is all about pop it up a lot of pop it up a lot Plop a lot it's not for a lot of cycle ups

Telling the campaign what he was doing over in London with the Russians. He set up, well he set updates to both Steven Miller and Cory Lewandowski. So Steven Miller's in on this. And he set those updates about the willingness of Russian officials to meet with Trump. These communications between Pop it up

and Trump campaign officials continue during the spring and summer of 2016, Pop it up forwarded Tim Afiv's email about meeting to Lewandowski. So pop it up forward this email to Lewandowski, the one from Timofeeve, and then to Clovis, and then to Manafort, saying, Russia's been eager to meet you guys, and Manafort forwarded to another high-up campaign official, which Mueller doesn't name here. I'm wondering if it was Trump, or at Ronograph saying, let's discuss, we need to communicate that Trump isn't going to make these trips. It has to be someone low level,

so it's not to send any signal. Because apparently Trump doesn't have an email, right? Right, Ronograph can be. Yeah, yeah, yes. Or Trump Jr. They're saying it needs to be someone of low level because if it's someone of high level, it'll look like it's a cover up. Or it'll send a signal that they're conspiring with Russia.

I mean, that's the consciousness of guilt admission right there. Yeah. But they're saying that he's not, he's definitively not going to make the trips. And he doesn't wind up making the trips. Trump is not going to make the trips. Right. So that part's sincere. But the fact that they want like a low level person and deliver it versus a higher up person, it's because it would look suspicious if a higher up person did even though it's

actually not because he didn't wind up doing the tricks. Unless he did. Unless they were planning on it at the time. We never ended up going. That's true. But I think they, yeah, because that's where you're exactly right. What Man of Fort saying is we can't send Trump. That would look bad.

We have to send a piece of shit. Yeah. It's too obvious. But I would think if Trump's doing shady things behind closed doors, he wouldn't want anything to look obvious. So he's like, yeah, don't, you know, send that totally because we got all that other shit going on. He doesn't take emails anyway, right? Right, right. He can't do that. Yeah, they've gotten themselves into a position where they can't even come out and tell the truth because it looks sketchy.

Yeah, how can PAYSING must it be? To work for the Trump administration, like, yeah, I know. It's crazy. But and in pop it up, even sent us another email to Lewandowski on his last day Popodops last day as campaign or no on Lewandowski's last day as campaign manager saying hey, bro I'll make the trip off the record oh Interesting Okay, he's like off the record X-Nay off the record Ray

after Lewandowski left, Popodop kept bothering Ferrez and Clovis. And he bothered them again and again during the summit of the Transatlantic Parliamentary Group on counterterrorism. And Mueller included a photo of that summit in the report. You see a picture there. Clovis doesn't remember being there, but he's pictured. And emails between the two confirmed they not only were there, but he's pictured. And emails between the two confirmed

they not only were there, but discussed rush-up trips. Not to mention Popodoppa is handwritten notes that confirm the discussions with Farah's about the meeting with Timothy. So they're all just lies. Later communications said Clovis couldn't travel, but encouraged Popodop and Farah's to do so. Popodop was fired in October for an interview he did

with Russian news agency Interfax. So on to page 93 in the section on Trump campaign knowledge of Dirt. So it was verified that Poppodop told a Greek official about the dirt, the emails. And he also told Alexander Downer, the Australian, and that made people wonder if he told anyone of the Trump campaign about the emails because like why wouldn't he? He brags to them all the time about how great he is and he's trying to get a job and be important. And as it turns out, no one pop-a-dopalist said

he shared this info with on the Trump campaign could remember that he told them. And there's a large redacted paragraph that's grandery protected. And Mueller says he couldn't get any email communications or text between pop-a-dop and the members of the campaign corroborating pop-a-dopalist's story. And this is likely one of those instances where folks used encrypted apps or destroyed

evidence or hid their communications lied about the communications and could be some of that evidence that could shed new light on what really happened and could possibly have been the key piece of evidence that they would have needed to charge a crime of broader conspiracy. Hopefully the House judiciary will get the grand jury material eventually and be able to understand what really happened. Oh, yeah, yes Sorry, ADD brain going back to what I was talking about before with the let's discuss We need to communicate that Trump isn't going to make these trips It needs to be someone low level so I said I need signal. I

Misinterpreted that as them saying the person who says Trump is not going to make the trips needs to be someone low level That's why I was like wait what why what, why? But I completely understand that. Why would a low level person have to say Trump didn't go when he left? But they were talking about still going and making the trip. It's just not, okay, sorry, I was taking way too innocently. Yeah, that's very sweet of you.

They're kind of filled out. Also started interrupt. I just figured out stuff in my brain and had to say it. I appreciate it. I appreciate it. I appreciate it. Yes. I appreciate now It actually becomes clear. Yes And then guys finally part g additional pop-up communications and this section starts on page 94 about Sarah

Gay million and Mueller says that he couldn't fully explore this because they could never get a hold of million Pop it up reached out to him via LinkedIn. That's how he does that's how he does and even though His buddy Tim a fieve said he'd never heard of him, he met with Million, July 31st in August 1st of 2016, because Million said he was the president of the New York Russian-American Chamber of Commerce, Million then invited Pop-A-Dopolis to speak at two international energy conferences, but Pop-A-Dopolis never did. Interesting. On July 31st, Pop-A-Dop emailed the Trump campaign official that I had not heard of until this report came out named Bo Denesick

and asked him if he wanted to be put in touch with Sarah Gaye-Millian in his chamber of secrets. Bo, sorry, chamber of commerce. Bo told Pop-A-Dop, hold off, too many articles that come out saying Trump was to chummy with the Russians as was man-afford, so let's chill. Then on August 23rd, so they knew it was wrong. August 23rd, 2016, Million sent a Facebook message to Pop-A-Dop saying, Hey, I'd like to share with you a destructive technology that might be instrumental to your political work for the campaign. Pop-A-Dop told Mueller he had no recollection of the communication. On November 9th, after the election, Pop-A-Dop met with Million again and they discussed

business, but Million changed his attitude toward pop it up, a list when he said he was only interested in business and not a job with the Trump administration. So they also hung out in a DC bar where they both attended Trump's inauguration. So that was the same night. And that's the pop it up stuff. And that's where we will end it.

Until next time. When we get to discuss Carter Page and his hats. That'll be fun. Yeah, the hat'll take up like the first 30 minutes, not kidding. The whole next episode, Carter Page's hat. And then Demetri's times, I think we should have time to squeeze in on the next part too. Very nice. This gives me, sorry, go ahead.

No, I was just giving a little encouraging, yeah. This gives me such pleasure to see Papa Dopopoulos be spoken about in such detailed terms because he's tried so hard to downplay any sort of Russian centric activity he engaged in. Ivanka too. I love how this this whole part like talked about her a lot and she's been just in her self. Right. And how they're supposed to know she's not how it doesn't have anything to do with it right. Wink wink. Totally. Well, and of they're supposed to, no, she's not, doesn't have anything to do with it, right? Wink, wink. Totally. Well, and of course, like all of them are gonna do that, right?

They're all trying to distance themselves. But Pop-A-Dop is one of the people that it's taking like a stone like a pro-jama, which is like, yeah, it victim. I don't want MIFsons and ICI-A. Exactly, and MIFs is poor, kid. I hope he doesn't help.

I hope he doesn't. I hope he isn't. And Assa, an agent of the United States, and he's hidden somewhere safe in his kids. It's fine. Like, I hope he doesn't open this for him. I hope he doesn't. And Assa, an agent of the United States, and he's hidden somewhere safe in his kids' cry. Like I hope he's not dead. That would be cool. Is it legal for them to do FBI, right? They can.

Sure. Yeah, why not? Throw up. Yeah, witness protection, you mean? Right, well, if Miff said work for the, yeah, government, the US government, yeah, that's kind of what the pop-a-dop believers are doing. The believers. Pop-a-dop believers are doing. Yeah.

Pop-a-dop believers? Yeah. God. His whole fucking self just belongs in like a Dr. Seuss book. Oh, definitely. Yeah. Pop-a-dop-a-dop-a-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop-dop- shake down Russian mafia or to find out Italian mafia guys or whatever. They'll set up poll fake businesses to catch criminals. Yeah. They might set up a fake Russian agent selling emails to see if anybody bites and see

if that's if the campaign was willing to do that. Yeah. Based on the real attempts to reach out to them through that. Yeah. I was going to say the intelligence is right though, so that. But I personally think Mifso does not. I do think Mifso does have Russian ties, did offer this email stuff. But again, even if he did, even if he was like entrapment, it's not because it's just not.

Sure. Yeah, you know, I feel you. And just to think I couldn't come up with like a Papa Doppler cat in the hat reference. But at least there's Carter page could easily go with like cat in the hat or ass in the hat. I don't know, like there's got to be something there. I just don't see one for pop it up. Yeah, no.

I went through so many of my head, like one fish, two fish, and then I got really racist, I don't know. And then it got better for trying. I gave up. Exactly. I just said Dr. Susan dipped. That was good. That was good.

So I'm just trying to see back in the report how they exactly met initially pop it up in MIFSID. Because it's interesting that, unless my memory is failing me, which is the very likely occurrence, or a very common occurrence, I don't remember pop it up, I'll just saying publicly as part of his complaining

that he's been set up and everything, that MIFSID was an implant. He never says that specifically, and I feel like he would have said that. Oh, I thought that that was a thing. Is it just not pop it up thing? Which thing that he's a plant? I just I'm saying I don't remember ever seeing pop it up explicitly say that he thought Miff said was a plant but Did he I thought he did there's a lot of people that are saying it but did pop it up? I'm not sure. It's not in the report

I don't right. I thought he did I thought he did in his book how he was framed. Yeah, about myths. But he specifically thinks Mif said was a plant. I assumed that's the only other guy who could have framed him. Yeah, that's true. Or I guess also like Alexander Downer, but that's not even relevant. I mean, it is real.

That'd be a cool S and L sketch, though. Like Debbie Downer, just Alexander Downer. Yeah. I'm probably just having a lapse in my memory right now. It's all good. He met Miffsood in Italy. Pop, but that's... Trees in Tinder. That'd be funny.

Yeah, he went to Italy where he was introduced to Miffsood by the Italians. I'm assuming. Muller claimed. Joseph Miffsood. What if he was introduced to Miffsood To Mifsa by the Italians. I'm assuming Mallor claimed Joseph miss what if he was introduced to Mifsa by Simone Mangiante who was a Darra Pasca boat hoe what if it was the Russians who put Oh, his his pop it up in touch with Mifsa. Wow. I still think Simone Mangiante is a Russian agent But like a total space beat. Okay, that's a portal. Stead step in believe it to he's on that right I don't know I don't know I just think so because she seems to have she just yeah something's off yeah there's

something wrong with where she comes from and her she lies a lot about her age and where she's from and what work she did and she didn't actually work at the place she said she worked out yeah and we've seen this happen with boot bootena? Like this is not uncommon for them to plant significant others into people's lives. Yeah. So, or at least around people, maybe not specific, but, who knows? But yeah, they all were trying to get into the Trump campaign somehow. So I wouldn't put it past Putin and Oleksii Pasca to hire some homangiante to take Mifsood and inject him into the Trump campaign via pop it up list. Yeah, totally. Yeah, I mean, if he's complaining about being framed, you're, yeah, Mifsood would

be the, well, like, major person for him to be. And she's a honey pot. And she's a little old, right? So that's their mo, the Anna Chapman's and Bootin is the world just sort of hot ladies to hook up. And I think she's an agent, man. Mifso, yeah, sorry, I'm like, all of them. Mifsood thinking, you're like, I'm moving on here.

Mifsa, he made false statements to the FBI, though, about his contacts with pop it up, but it's so that would be weird for him to play. Unless it would play. But I don't think he was charged. He was not charged, which is like the tit for Ted and that argument. But why would you lie to the FBI if you're an FBI?

Yeah, yeah, I mean, maybe to protect your cover if you're an FBI? Yeah, yeah, I'd be not. Maybe to protect your cover. That's what I was thinking, but it's just, I like it very much going far. Yeah, I just actually don't think he's an agent. I think Simone de Mangiante is the agent. Yeah. And he's in pop-a-dop is like,

they framed me in Mangiante's all, he, he, he, I sure did. Mm-hmm, somebody did, yeah. But it wasn't the US that did it. It was, I think it was Russia. And he framed himself a bit there. True. All right, guys. Oh, yeah. But it wasn't the US that did it. I think it was Russia. And he framed himself a bit there. True. All right, guys.

Oh, sorry. I was just saying, I'm sure everyone that's listening is going to tweet us a bunch of articles and stuff that will have deep opinions on all these things. In fact, checking. So I look forward to that, everyone. Yeah, cool. No, send them away.

And we do have a corrections section where you can go to molashewred.com, click on contact, select corrections, and then build me a compliment sandwich. And then you'll be allowed to say your feedback in between those two pieces of nice bread. Guys, this has been really fun. We will see you for part five and any final thoughts? Just, yeah, I'm really stoked to keep this going.

We're halfway through just about. Yeah, sort of. I'm quite. We still have probably six or seven episodes for volume one alone. I'm enjoying the ride. It's fun. There's just a lot. And I just want to make sure we touch on everything.

That's good. Sometimes providing contacts makes it take longer than just reading the actual damn report yourself. But this is a way funner. Definitely. Fact checking myself, Papa Doppler's 100% in his book did say that he thinks Miffsid was an explicitly Western intelligence asset sent to him and trapped him. Okay, so there you go. So my did explicitly say that about Miffsid. And I think that would

be more feasible that he's an asset. He's a foreign asset we use as an informant, as opposed to like, I think Sator is also an asset. But not in the sense they were planted, like perhaps his fiance might have been, just in the sense that they probably utilized his information after he, you know, okay. Or maybe they did it ahead of time, or maybe they did it afterwards,

or maybe Mifsood's on an always mission to get dirt on people trying to get Russian interfere in their elections. I have no idea, but it's more feasible than being a direct employee of the CIA. For sure. To be just a foreign person that you're like, hey, what are you going over there? Yeah, that just gets money by coming out

and doing those sorts of things. It is so weird that he's completely disappeared and lied to the FBI. Yeah, unless he's in witness protection. Yeah, and lied to cover it up. But now we're getting a super cloak and dagger. Yeah. That seems a little tinfoil hat. Yeah, totally. All right guys. Well, thank you so much again

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