Jack - The Mueller Report - Pt. 5

Episode Date: June 21, 2019

Join the hosts of the award-winning podcast Mueller, She Wrote for part 5 of their special coverage of the Mueller Report!  Let us know if you have any feedback! Pages 95-108.

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of the U.S. education system. We'll see you there. So to be clear, Mr. Trump has no financial relationships with any Russian olivarchs. That's what he said. That's what I said. That's obviously what our position is. I'm not aware of any of those activities. I have been called a surrogate at a time, a tree, and that campaign.

And I didn't have, and I have communications with the Russians. What do I have to get involved with food and for nothing to do with food? I've never spoken to him. I don't know anything about a mother than he will respect me. Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. So, it is political. You're a communist! No, Mr. Green. Communism is just a red herring.

Like all members of the oldest profession I'm a capitalist. Thank you. Hello and welcome to Muller She Wrote. This is part five of our special coverage of the Muller Report. We go over the report, page by page and footnote by footnote, providing context and expertise, along with jokes and swears. We're so happy to have you with us. I'm your host A.G. and with me as always, Archie Lisa Johnson. Hello.

Enjoying Coburn? Hello. Part five. How many parts? There's going to be like 97 parts. That's what we've seen. We're still in volume one, man. Yeah, I mean, this is our lives, guys. This is like, this is the real deal.

It's what we do. We need to break it down. Yep, breaking it down I'm gonna be able to like write a car on my own or something by the time that's over. Yeah So today we're gonna be covering section four numbers three and four titled Carter Page and Demetri Signs and the Center for National Interest and that goes from page 95 to 108 And we're gonna start putting those page numbers in the description so that you can bone up and read ahead. So we'll make sure that that's included in the description in the episode description. So again, today page

95 to page 108. And in part four, we covered pop it up list in the Trump Tower Moscow project, which is still very much at the center of the investigation into Trump and whether or not he or any of his campaign aids or Russian assets or otherwise compromised by a foreign adversary. And potentially making hundreds of millions of dollars off a real estate project that would require him to get the go ahead from Putin certainly seems like a conflict of interest to me.

Yeah. I guess not to go murder gates or Jim Jordan or Nunez or any of those fuck faces. So on to Hatboy, Carter Page. As we know, he worked for the Trump campaign from January 2016 to September 2016. And he, like Pop-A-Dop, was announced as a foreign policy advisor in March of 2016. According to footnote here, this information came from FBI interviews of Page prior to Mueller being appointed. And we all know from earlier in the report that when Mueller got there, when

he was appointed, there were already just tons of boxes and boxes of interviews and evidence that the FBI turned over to him, including their 302s. And we know pretty much the ins and outs of a 302 from Andrew McCabe's book. Yeah, he'd break it down for it. I feel like it's important to note that those forms would have been created for them, regardless of if an investigation, like I'm that's a whole point if that has had to happen before Mueller was appointed. So people are going to try to politicize that FBI. Like, what do they have the three of twos on them?

Well, they were investigating them at the time. They were investigating not Mueller though. No, but the FBI was investigating uh... trump campaign ties to russia far earlier uh... with those four people who have really deep ties to russia flin man of four page and pop it up yeah you're right there so gonna be upset about that yeah for horseman for horseman political apocalypse

political apocalypse that sounds like a good rap lyric all i think that's a lot of the duration so we'll keep that in mind for the break it down rap song that we're going to write about the Mueller report. Very nice. It's only like a six hour long song. Okay, so FBI at this point is investigating them my bad. Yes. Cool. They were. Crossfire hurricane. But you were also correct in that they would have these documents if they were applying for a government position, right? For something high enough that would require an FD302? Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

Yeah. They would get the F302, like, right, FD302. Regardless, FD302. No matter, like, any, like, is that what a background check is? No, they don't do, you know what? I don't know if the FBI does 302s for background checks. They didn't do one for me, but they might do one of these higher levels. But these weren't background check interviews. These were interviews as part of the FBI investigation into Trump campaign.

We got it. So they had already had, Komi already got boxes and boxes of information in the investigation, the Crossfire Hurricane investigation into those four dudes that began back in 2016. Remember when we all got mad coming, didn't announce that the Trump campaign was under Russian investigation? That was well before Trump became president and before Mueller was appointed. That's this investigation.

Okay. So that's what we're talking about. Yes. I was not thinking in the context. Thank you for finding a very nice way to tell me I was severely misguided. No, no, it's, it trust me. It's, when each thing started is very convoluted and- I need to work on that in my brain. My brain's not good at that stuff. Like, oh, well, that was happening then. I mean, our president just happened to commit so many crimes at

some of your different times. It's like, don't put it on yourself, Jordan. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you, Jordan. Don't get down on yourself. Don't get down on yourself. Don't get down yourself because you can't follow all the president's crimes. Yeah. You used to have a light through with them. You know, it's true. You're victim blaming yourself. Yes. But every time that I misrepresent a fact or state of affairs, I feel it takes us down a notch as a whole. That's what makes you a better person. Like Democrats are like, anyone that's trying to have a conversation with anyone about this shit, that's just wrong as fuck. Can I point out that I can't be wrong?

That's just as important I think is having all the facts to it is acknowledging how important facts are. Like that's the whole point of this podcast. So like your perspective is very enlightening. A lot of people like myself relate to that. Our president doesn't have any awareness of that. So yeah, you're a good person.

Thank you Joe. So you're a good person. I wouldn't even compare you to our president. Yeah, you're right. That's not fair. Yeah, that's true. That didn't feel as air when the heart is it should have. I mean, he's only supposed to be the model of the nation, but you know, comb over sandwich. Yeah, yeah. That's so sad that it's come to that. So yeah, he already had these boxes and boxes of evidence and the FBI turned that over to Mueller when Mueller took over The was appointed by Rod Rosenstein, McCabe the page interviews were part of that and Then part of this footnote about the page FBI interviews is redacted for grand jury material

So that's interesting too the long and short of Carter pages that he worked for the Trump campaign He traveled to Russia in a personal capacity during the Trump campaign. He was close to Russian spies in both 2008 and 2013, which is why he was under investigation this time, because Russia focused on page in 2016, because they had had previous success fucking with him in the past. So, Mueller, however, could not establish coordination between Page and the Russian government in its efforts to interfere with the election. And this is a good thing to know because when Page was under surveillance because he'd been a Russian asset twice in the past and was now working for Trump, which had multiple

suspicious contacts with Russia, Page was no longer with the Trump campaign. So you will hear a lot of Trump supporters saying the Trump campaign was under surveillance FISA courts, maaab. But they didn't start the FISA warrant process on page until well after you left the campaign. I believe it was in September of 2016. Then we start to get into the history of Carter Page. And this is nothing new to anyone who has listened to our podcast or read the book Russian Roulette, the book by Isakoff and Korn.

And that's where they go into great detail about Carter Page being a Russian Stoge. For over a decade, from 2004 to 2007, Page was the deputy branch manager of the Merrill Lynch office in Moscow, where he worked on transactions with Gazprom alongside their deputy CFO Sergei Yatsenko. And then in 2008, he founded his own little company called Global Energy Capital, or GEC, which is what I'm going to refer to it as from here on out. And that was an investment management and advisory firm in the energy sector for emerging markets. Then there's a big redacted sentence followed by, quote, the company otherwise had no sources of income, which says to me that whatever's under that redaction bar, redacted for grand

jury materials, says something about the main or only source of income for this company. Pretty telling stuff there. Probably Russia. Yeah, consulting firms are so inherently flawed, right? Because it's like, Oh, how are you going to consult me on shit? How are you going to be better at telling me what to do than someone else?

Oh, because I have insider secrets. Oh, for sure. That's their whole business, for sure. Yeah, I want to make a consulting firm, for consulting firms. It's just consulting them on how to consult. There are really no get you know, there are those essential consultants is one of my God, you're so right like what many Davis is to right exactly totally.

So yeah, I this is redacted for grand jury material and page actually had to spend a lot of his own savings to stay afloat during that time. At that point, page asked yet Sanco to work with him at the GEC, his little dumb company, on a contingency basis as a consultant, and then there's another redacted statement for grand jury material. That same year, Paige met Alexander Bulatov, who was a Russian government official that worked at the Russian consulate in New York, and who later found out was a Russian intelligence officer and then there's another redacted statement for grand jury material. So I'm curious about these

redactions for grand jury materials. Are they from previous investigations into Carter Page and that grand jury or are these from Mueller's grand jury and current? And if so, is it page testifying to the grand jury? I don't know, it's there's no hints. Yeah, I guess I didn't even consider that myself. So would it indicate anything like, or do you speculate? It's likely one way or the other, or is there really no way of telling?

Because it sounds like there's a lot of different options that I'm not even aware of. Well, if it's for the old grand jury, which it might be, which was the investigation in 2008 and 2013 into him being a Russian asset, then no bigs were just referring back to some old shit that we don't want to tell you what happened in the grand jury. Right.

But if it's new stuff, does that mean they're still opening on going stuff? Mm-hmm. Or we just not allowed to see the new stuff grand jury material because it's grand jury material. And Barr said he was going to block any of you. Knicks that. Okay. So basically is it relevant still or not?

Good questions. Yeah. Yeah. So then, um, um, Mueller report jumps to 2013 and how another Russian intel officer named Victor, I think it's Padabni. Wow. Padabni. Yeah.

Yeah. Victor, uh, who was working covertly in the US under diplomatic cover. So a Russian spy. He formed a relationship with Paige, and now we get into Paige's history with Padabni. And the footnotes move from grand jury redacted stuff to what's referred to as the Buryakov complaint. So you've heard us talk about the 2013 Russian spy ring

that Paige was caught up in. We read it in Russian roulette. Two of the Russians fled, one went to prison. That case is the Buryakov case. Buryakov was arrested on January 26, 2015, charged with impleted guilty to spying on the United States for SVR, the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service. Buryakov was a New York-based deputy representative of Vineshkanam Bank. He teamed up with two Russians, Igor Sporeschev, and this guy, Padabni. Their names are very interesting. So Padabni is one of the Russians that got away.

And he met Paige at an energy symposium in New York City and started emailing him in a recorded conversation. He told another intelligence officer that Paige was interested in business opportunities in Russia, also telling him Paige was hooked on gas prom. Oh, yeah. And then this next part tickles me because we've used this bit over and over again in our podcast and it made it into the Mueller report. Padabni said he led Paige on by feeding him empty promises. And Mueller does a nice job of paraphrasing here.

Padabni told the other Russian intelligence officer, that his method of recruiting foreign sources was to quote, promise them favors and then discard them once he obtained relevant information from them. Oh, he censored it. Now, of course, we know what act, what he actually said was, I get what I want, and I tell him to go fuck himself. Yeah, that's got to be in the Mueller movie, at least. Right.

So then put it in the report. So that was nice of Mueller to, you know, clean it up, clean it up, get all American dad. But he didn't clean up the, oh, I'm fucked. My presidency is over part. For some reason, he's like, the people need to know you only got one fucked in the whole report. That's got to be the one. Maybe. Maybe. It's what is audience wants. Yeah. It's a PG 13. You get two fucks. It's got to be rated R. Right. I see. Yeah. Yeah. You want to do that. Ah, that's so true. But yeah, that's what he did to Carter Page. He promised him stuff, got what he wanted from Page,

and then told him to go fuck himself. So in 2015, the three Russians were charged with conspiracy to act as unregistered agents of a foreign government. Page was identified in the complaint as male one. Based on the descriptions in the complaint, Page knew he was male one, and later introduced himself to a Russian official at the UN General Assembly as male one from the Padabai complaint.

What does he think it means alpha male or something? Look, I'm male number one. Man number one. Man number one. Two of my favorite things. Males and one. M-A-L-E. Page told the officials that he didn't do anything.

And then there's a grand jury reduction, again, for that. So I'm wondering if it's a grand jury, again, grand jury reduction from the Padabni or Buryukov report or complaint. Paige told the FBI in interviews before Mueller was appointed, that he totally hung out with Russian spies, but for sure knew and only gave them

immaterial non-public information, and that he was totally not part of a back channel. And aren't you guys glad I only gave them non-public immaterial stuff because the more he gave them the better for America right right guys right. And then looking at the red actions here it appears that a lot of the grand jury red actions are from that case and seem to come from the FBI 302s in their interviews with page. This case not the old one. Yeah and what I'm starting to think maybe is that there's different types of 302s in their interviews with page, this case, not the old one. Yeah, and what I'm starting to think maybe is that there's different types of 302s, like maybe some are when you're applying for a job, but maybe there's different like FD302s

and then other types, because this sounds like it's Carter Page wouldn't have been applying for anything, he was just being interviewed, right? Yeah, I know, I don't think the FBI 302 is used in background investigations, but I could be wrong, but none of these are background investigations. Yeah, I know these are all investigative inventors. Yeah, another silly I just realized is Carter Page wouldn't have even had any reason to get a background investigation into him because he didn't have a official position. Right.

So this is a different form that we're talking then what we were referring to. No, it's okay, we're learning, We're all learning. Yeah. Yes, totally. So there are redactions for grand jury material from the 2013 Beria Kuf and Padabni complaint, though. So it's kind of a mixed bag. And you sort of glean that the further on you read about Mr. Pat Boy here. Then section B on page 97, we get into page and the Trump campaign, right? He started with the campaign in January of 2016 as an informal volunteer. Page told the campaign he was interested in improving Trump's relationship with Russia and began emailing campaign officials about his thoughts on Russia-US relations and he

prepared talking points and briefing memos on Russia and he proposed Trump meet with Putin in Moscow. So that's going on. In one such communication page touted his high level contacts with the Kremlin. I know Spy's bro. Look, look at my 2013, look at my 2008, hang it out with Spy's. Yeah. And one went to prison. So yeah, he touted his high level contacts with the Kremlin, who recognized that Trump could have a game-changing effect on the end of the new Cold War with Russia, and that a meeting with Putin could be arranged, and that he closed the memo by criticizing US sanctions on Russia. Then there's the entire sentence redacted, and entire sentence redacted is grand jury material. Oh.

And that's from this. Yeah, I especially want to know what that says. Yeah, I especially want to know what that says. Yeah, I know. We should rank our favorite redacted parts that we want to know, like based on the context clues around it. Yeah, because I don't know who testified to Mueller's grand jury about page, but I think we learn a little bit later in some of the footnotes. But, you know, I feel like they would be redacted too.

There might be some witness that we don't know about. Yeah, Randall. Then on to March 21st, when Trump named page a foreign policy team member and continued to work on policy-related matters such as providing feedback for Trump's Mayflower speech, remember that? That's the one where everyone who wanted to give Saudi Arabia a nuclear technology hung out. It's very ironic, too, because wasn't a Mayflower like the ship that immigrants came on? The pilgrims. The pilgrims.

Pilgrims. Okay. So I guess that's kind of like immigrants? Yeah. They were totally immigrants. Yeah, the colonial type. Yeah, the white immigrants. Yeah, definitely.

The colonizers. Yeah. Yeah. They were the undocumented coming into the Eagles. Yeah. Coming to the border. Yeah. If the Native Americans did them like they're doing the Mexicans now, I mean that just

it would have been wrong, but like It'd been a fun movie to make honestly. I'm thinking yeah, I might write it Then part C on page 98 is about Carter pages July 2016 trip to Moscow and this gets a lot of focus from Mueller Of course ever since page was named a Trump policy advisor the Russians really came at him He's a known stooge. He's easy to flip. And in April 2016, he was invited to give a speech at the July 2016 commencement of the new economic school in Moscow.

And I'm going to refer to that as the NES. It's not Nintendo Entertainment System, but it's the new economic school. Yeah, I might have confused those things myself. And just to give a little balance here, Obama delivered the commencement address at NES in 2009. So, you know, it's not like, clutch ma pearls, somebody gave an address at this school. Obama did it. In this day and age, it seems like that though. It does. There's so many trails leading back to the

other side benefiting somehow. Yep. So, Paige was excited and Russia was jazzed to have Trump, Trump campaign aid come to speak. So Paige sought approval from the Trump campaign and told them if Trump wanted to speak instead, you can speak. That'd be rad. Lewandowski said, you go not an official Trump campaign representative and no Trump can't go. So that's that.

So Paige went in July and a bunch of folks from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs informed the press, Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Russia, MFA, informed the press that Trump campaign aid would be there, and that they wanted to draw the Russian government's attention to the fact that Page was there. And the footnotes on this page are mostly referring to emails between Russians that were intercepted, emails between Page, Gorka, Lewandowski, and Ferrez, and then, of course, some grand jury redacted material. Then there's someone who interviewed with the FBI prior to Mueller's appointment

about this case named S. Weber. And this is the first time I've heard of this guy. I have no mention of S. Weber in my thousands of pages of research and scripts. His name is Shlomo Weber. Yeah, we would remember that one. Yeah, for sure. And he's mentioned here, and he's the rector of NES, who told the FBI there was a great deal of interest in having a Trump campaign member speak at the school. So he interviewed with the FBI. Interesting. Well, Shlomo.

Yeah, Shlomo Weber. That's what's up. That name sounds familiar. Yeah, you've heard people probably call you then. I thought I would. The name of Shlomo? I've been called a Sh then. I thought I would. The name of a cool electronic artist, but also I feel like I have heard us talk about it. Or maybe I've just read the name. Maybe. How would you spell it? What's the spelling there? SH L O M O. Oh, just as I would assume. Shlomo. Yeah. Yeah. Phenetically, I like that. Yeah. I just have such a pool of names up in my head. Yeah, yeah, right. We only know like 9 million people

Like I'm just wondering how that name could be inspired like you take a long time like during labor slow mo Slow mo, it's an old Jewish name. Oh, it is. Okay. There's my ignorant showing there I was a slow mo to that joke Sorry, I'll see myself out nice.. She'll be here. Slowly. Then on to. Slowly, slow mo came in. Inch by Inch. Then on to page 100 when Dennis Clementoff, which sounds like an olive to me, but it's not. Emailed Maria Zakarova, the director of the MFA, and copied his brother Demetri Clementoff. Oh my God. He said, hey, MFA, a Trump campaign guy

has come into speak at our school. He's totally gullible and kind of an idiot. And then I'm paraphrasing. And then Demetri contacted the Russian press secretary, Peskov, who we've heard of before. That's one of the Cohen contacts for the Trump Tower. And he replied, yeah, Paige is a nobody more on, I'm not gonna introduce him to anyone at the Cremland. So, why is choice? And he didn't, again, I'm paraphrasing.

So, Renato, do you still have your own podcast? Yeah, it's complicated. What's so complicated about a podcast? That's the name of the podcast, remember? Oh! Will you still be exploring topics that help us understand the week's news? You bet, but we'll have a new name because we're going to be working together to explore complicated issues that are done in the news. Working together? Yeah, you're hosting it with me, remember?

Oh, right. Wait, does that mean our podcast is going to have a steam op segment? Let's not get carried away. But we'll discuss hot new legal topics, so check out our new episode coming soon to everywhere you get podcasts as well as YouTube. So we get the feeling here that Paige is a nobody-poser, that's super easy to recruit, but stupid, so useless. And the Russians figure, this tool isn't gonna have anything of import we can get from the Trump campaign,

not like Maniford or Flynn, right? He's a stone-like character. Yes, exactly. Or like a corsie. It was me. It was my tweet. They got the WikiLeaks thing, you know, just people running around trying to take credit for the, yeah, for the Russia contacts.

Perhaps, yeah, yeah, a bit. And then trying to get a job with Trump. You spot kissers, basically brown nosers. Yeah, yeah. They're like too low level to have really been influential enough for them to be a true target exactly of anything. To like a big degree, I guess.

Yeah, I think Russia just looked at it like. Although Roger Stone is in some pretty deep shit. I mean, yeah. I'm thinking we're like pop-a-dopulous people, or like a... Well, the Eston had direct contacts with Wicke Leaks, whereas Corsi did not, so it's more of a Corsi figure, you know, trying to lie about Intel Muller, oh I tweeted it in the most funny tweet.

And so John's in the series ship, but he's also a joke, so I see where you're coming from. That's more what I meant, the carnival leader character. Definitely. We speak of, you know, indeed, just like weird group of dudes. Let me play and the comedic gift that he can give in. A little bit and then they're like, okay, yeah, this. That's bad. Wait, I didn't do that. Yeah, you have to be this tall to commit trees in or something like that comes a mind. Yeah. Totally totally. Uh, yeah, he's just kind of a useless boob.

I think it's the best way to describe him. And and and rushes like duties easily recruited, but he can't get us anything value. Right. Because he's so down and no one, everyone thinks he's an idiot. But some people are like, watch out, he's a genius. Oh my goodness. I don't know, but maybe he's a secret genius. Maybe he's a genius.

Maybe he's a closet genius. A closet genius. Can't figure it out. On July 7th, Paige gave his first two speeches, criticizing the US Russia policy and then, or the US's policy about Russia. Then on July 8th, he delivered the other at which point Russian W.P. minister and NES board member, board member, Arcadia, Davorkovich.

Ooh, I like that. Yeah, Davorkovich is a good name. Yeah, Arcadia too. He spoke after page saying that the sanctions hurt the NES and Shlomo Weber remembered DeWorkovich making statements to page that they should work together in the future and then there's some grand jury redacted material. So I like Shlomo Weber too. That's awesome. Yeah. Shlomo Weber and DeWorkovich. I dig the names in these shady characters. Crap of often slip and chalk or whatever their name is. I'm all for an adorable name. Yeah. This is a lot of for an adorable name. Yeah. This is a lot of stuff.

It is. Yeah. It goes by pretty quickly too. Yeah. I think we broke Jordan. No, well, I'm more so mean like outside of the things that we really focused on up until this point that the report itself was released. Like we hadn't talked about this extensive.

Oh, totally. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. And I mean, we did we covered it, but like over a year. Right. This is all like, you know, it's all part by part. Yeah. Right in this little condensed, delicious report. Yeah. That's all like this, this report is our podcast summed up in. Yeah. Absolutely. So this deputy prime minister, the one who remembered R.K.D. DuVorkovich speaking

to page after page spoke, he's not the same deputy prime minister that was on a yacht with Nastya Rybka and Dara Paska getting briefs about the Trump campaign he got from Constantin Kolimnik. That was Sergei Pricoto. Pricotco. Pricotco. I'm just impressedado, Prco-Hodko.

I'm just impressed that you got through all the other names, and that's the only one we stumbled on. These are a lot of interesting names. Prco-Hodko. The work of itch became Deputy Prime Minister in May of 2012. Prco-Hodko in May of 2013. They both left their posts in May of 2018. There's a bunch of Deputy Prime Ministers at any given time

and they're all temporary positions. And it kind of makes me wonder why Trump only likes acting secretaries because the Russian government doesn't like permanent deputy prime ministers. Yeah, he likes acting lives too, and all kinds of things. Everything is at a temporary, and I wonder if Putin's at some point said to him, you should try more temporary. Oh, it's probably a strategy. Yeah.

That way, with my prime ministers, I can deputate prime ministers. I can just get rid of them whenever I want. Damn. I swear if all of their meetings are not just, hey, so you have any tips on world domination? Yeah, totally. Yeah, it's like the gig economy, right? Like everyone's an independent contractor now. I feel like it's hitting the White House too.

It's like we're all hurting from the economy, acting vice presidents. Yeah, I like the meetings on how to take over the world. Yeah, yeah. So, Paige said during his time in Moscow, he met with old buddies he knew from the last time Russia duped him, including Andre Baranov, a former Gazprom employee who was now the head of investor relations at Rossnaft. And Paige told the FBI that he and Baranoff just shot the ship basically, and that he only gave him immaterial and non-public information. Oddly, the same

phrase he used in 2013 when the Russians recruited him, remember when he's like, no, I only gave him immaterial and non-public information. Those exact words. So he's using him again, which leads me to believe they didn't talk about non-public and material information. Paige says, maybe possibly they talked about Igor Setschen, the president of Rosneft, and maybe they might have mentioned in passing the sale of the stake in Rosneft, and Paige might have possibly mentioned he was working with the Trump campaign, maybe. Totally, he did all that. I'm sure of it. And Anjel, that's beans though. And Anjel, I ate while he was in Moscow, Paige emailed campaign officials, Trump campaign officials saying he'd send a readout of some amazing insights and outreach from Russian leaders in Anjel, I ninth. He emailed Clovis this. He said,

Russian Deputy Prime Minister and NES Board Member, Arcadia Duvorkovich, also spoke, spoke. They used sporks when they eat KFC, KOSLA. Nice. Also spoke before the event. In a private conversation, DuVorkovich expressed strong support for Mr. Trump and a desire to work together toward devising better solutions in response to the vast range of current international problems. Based on feedback from a diverse array of other sources close to the presidential administration, it was readily apparent that this sentiment is widely held at all levels of government. And you know what, that's a pretty well written email. So that's probably why you got fired from the Trump campaign. He writes too well. So then there's a big redacted

paragraph, which starts with, despite these representations to the campaign, then there's a huge redacted section. And then it ends with, the office was unable to obtain additional evidence or testimony about who page may have met or communicated with in Moscow, thus pages, activities in Russia, as described in his emails with the campaign were not fully explained. And I'm sure that big redacted grand jury part is about pages meeting with or not meeting with Igor Setshin. And a discussion about a commission perhaps for the sell-off of Ross Nafd, which incidentally was brokered by the Qatar Investment Authority, who I personally think is the secret company from country A

fighting a secret subpoena battle in court right now. It was in the DC US Attorney's Office. And when Mueller was appointed to the case, that was handed off to Mueller. And then when Mueller closed up shop, it was handed back to the DCU's attorney's office. And that's just a guess. I certainly hope Congress gets the grand jury material.

Just last week, actually, the House voted to circumvent a full, the requirement of a full House vote when the committee wants to take someone defying a subpoena to court. So if the judiciary subpoena is in the grant, so if the judiciary subpoena is the grand jury materials and the department of defense refuses or bar refuses They can vote to hold them in contempt and then file a lawsuit immediately to petition the court without having to go through the Department of Justice or without having to hold a full vote on the floor of the House of Representatives

That's kind of a cool thing. I still wish they would open an impeachment inquiry. They wouldn't have to do any of this shit at all Then we go to part they could just go straight to court Then we go to part D on page 102 They could just go straight to court. Then we go to part D on page 102, called later campaign work and removal from the campaign. And these are pretty much the last pathetic desperate days of Paige's work on the campaign. And after the Republican National Convention,

where Paige met with Russian Ambassador Kislyak, Paige's continuing advocacy for pro-Russian foreign policy drew a lot of media attention. And eventually the Trump campaign began distancing itself from him until ultimately firing him. Now, because you're covering anything up or anything. Nothing to see here. The Asian like has had anymore. We've had enough, man.

We all got together and decided we had time for you to go. Hat enough. Oh my God. Where's the rim shot when you need it? You got to get a sound board going. That's good stuff. We've had enough with your cover up. All right, on to part four guys.

Page 103. This is Dimitri Simes in the Center for National Interest. I'm going to refer to them as CNI from now on. Dimitri Simes is the CEO of CNI and the Trump campaign met with CNI and Simes on multiple occasions. In April 2016, Trump gave a speech for an event organized by CNI, which is a think tank with expertise and connections to the Russian government. Jeff Sessions and Kislyak were in attendance, which gained some attention

and was brought up in Sessions confirmation hearings as a result. That's where we get the, I did not have any communications with the Russians. I did not, yeah, that whole thing. A time to, Kush also interacted, Kush, Kushner, with Symes, about Russian issues during the campaign. But Mueller says here that the investigation could not identify any evidence that the campaign passed or received any messages to or from the Russian government through CNI or Simes and he actually says the words could not identify any evidence which is different from

was unable to locate evidence right had insufficient evidence yeah here it actually says there was no evidence that the Trump campaign was trying to pass messages back and forth between the CNI or Simes they just did it out in the open Pass messages back and forth between the CNI or Simes. They just did it out in the open Section A outlines how CNI and Simes connected with a Trump campaign first CNI as I said is a DC based nonprofit that grew out of a center founded by Richard Nixon It publishes a by-month yeah, the shaky foundation. Yeah Totally and Shakey foundation, yeah. Everything. Totally. And let's see, it publishes a bi-monthly magazine called National Interest, and it's overseen by a board of directors that are largely honorary, like Kissinger and Jeff Sessions is on there too.

Simon Sessori was. Simon himself was born in the former Soviet Union and immigrated to the United States in the 1970s. According to footnotes, most of this information came from a 302 when the FBI interviewed Symes prior to Mueller's appointment. So all of these connections were already being investigated before Mueller was even appointed. That is so interesting. Yeah. And on March 14, 2016, the CNI set up a luncheon to recruit new board members, and Kushner was at that event, because the Trump campaign was having trouble securing support from foreign

policy professionals. Because they're, I guess, all the foreign policy professionals on the globe were like NABRA. Yeah. And that's according to an interview the office conducted with Kushner, and this is Mueller after Mueller was appointed, interviewing Kush. Kush and Symes talked by phone March 24th, three days after Trump set up that foreign policy team

that he sent that Insta photo out about, that he then tried to deny, pop a Dopolis was anything more than a coffee boy or whatever. And on March 31st, they met in person, Symes and Kushner did at Kushner's office in New York. Symes also had contacts with other members of the Trump campaign. And on June 17th, he sent an email to JD Gordon

with a memo to Senator Jeff Sessions attached that proposed building a small group of experts to attack Hillary for her foreign policy and suggest a new beginning with Russia and Symes asked Gordon to share that memo with sessions. And then we get to part B, the event at the Mayflower Hotel. And Cushion Symes had agreed in their March phone calls to set up a policy speech event to be coordinated with sessions and his chief of staff, Rick Dearborn. Remember that guy? And Cush put Symes

in contact with Stephen Miller, who had prepared the outline for the foreign policy speech. So he wrote that thing, that Mayflower speech, and then they went back and forth making edits, and only half of them remember seeing the draft and Mueller couldn't find the draft. So this is probably one of those situations where they used encrypted emails, and that's why he didn't have enough evidence. Two of the guys that allegedly helped with the speech that worked with CNI helped coordinate the event,

their names are Bert and Saunders. And the footnotes. Bert and Saunders, not a footnotes. Bert and Saunders, not a like a weird codename for Bernie Sanders, that was like just a weird man. Just saying it out of the eye. Bert and Saunders. I have a quick question really quick. Yeah.

If they had found evidence, is that against the law to be crafting essentially a message on behalf or in support of a different. Crafting a message? No, but getting dirt on Hillary Clinton to help you in the campaign? Yes, if you can prove it has value. Yeah. Yeah, I think it has value.

Yeah, and we'll get, and there's some interesting stuff about dirt that is promised here, and it ends up being kind of like a second June 2016 Trump Tower meeting. It gets crazy. So Bert and Saunders, the footnotes at the bottom of page 105 indicate the FBI interviewed both of them prior to Mueller being appointed. So Saunders set up the pre-event cocktail hour.

With the understanding that everyone would get to meet Trump and there'd be like a meet and greet and the event would be very small and very exclusive the invite is included sessions and kissley act and signs told kissley act he'd get to meet Trump public reports said that in addition to cushionary kissley act met and spoke with sessions those sessions told investigators as well as congress he did not remember that meeting Mueller says it appears that that's the one where he's like I bumped into a guy but I don't know I didn't talk to him.

I'm a little worried about such as he said I don't remember much. I'm like was he like roofie that night? I don't remember I bumped into a guy. The entire Trump campaign was roofie. Yeah, yeah, I do not remember. The entire year of 2016. They are totally the kind of bros I would buy roofies off the black market and roofie themselves. Yeah, just so they can masturbate and I remember. Yeah.

Okay, this is a game plan. We should be good till we all fall asleep and never remember anything. Yeah. What's that from 40 year old version? I'm going to get real drunk and get real high and try to masturbate. That's my thing. And see if I can finish. The good news is is that you always win. It's something like that. It's amazing. I love our movie. Always win. So, so, a kissley Act met with Kushner, and he spoke with sessions. Though, like I said, sessions, I did not have any contact with the Russians. Mueller says it appears that the meeting was small and public, much like Kisley Act's meeting with Kushner, the one with sessions.

Mueller was not able to find any evidence that Trump spoke with Kisley Act during the event. Trump spoke with Kislyak during the event. Trump spoke with Kislyak. On to part C, page 107 regarding sessions post-speech interactions with CNI. So after sessions, idiotic confirmation hearings, people started wondering what the hell with his CNI contacts during the campaign and whether or not he had other contacts with them or Kislyak outside of the Mayflower event. And ding, ding, ding, he sure did.

Regarding Kissley Act, Sessions ran into him, May 23 at a different CNI event. Just happened to be there. And according to the seating chart provided by Saunders, Sessions was seated right next to Kissley Act at the same table. But Sessions didn't recall that. Some folks remember seeing Kissley Act there, others denied it, and Kissley Act didn't appear in any of the photos. It couldn't recall that. Some folks remember seeing Kissley Act there, others denied it and Kissley Act

didn't appear in any of the photos. It couldn't prove it. Wow. Then in the summer of 2016, CNN I set up two more dinners for sessions to meet with foreign policy experts. Remember, he's part of that clown car a foreign policy group.

And the dinners included that bird guy and a dude named Zalme Kallilzad. And these dinners included that bird guy and a dude named Zalme Kallilzad. And these dinners included that Bert guy, and a dude named Zalme Kallilzad, Kallilzad. And he's a former US ambassador to Iraq and Afghanistan. Kallilzad also met with Sessions one on one, apart from the two dinners, and during the dinners, but during the dinners they talked about Russian policy

and NATO, but Sessions also asked Kallilzad to draft memos for him about Hillary's foreign policy shortcomings and Egypt. And that's all very interesting because as we know, everyone who attended the Mayflower meeting lied about their contacts with Russia. It all seems to have pointed to have appointed interest in the Grand Bargain. That's five nations, six nations, Bargain, that Seth Abramson's been writing massive books about. Oh yeah. And includes Egypt in there. And so it's just interesting that that's part of that.

But there's no other information than the Mueller report about this. This would all probably likely be counterintelligence information. Or a part of it, open an ongoing investigation, but there's no red actions here that indicate that. So I would say counterintelligence investigation stuff. So we continue on to page 108, section D, Kushner's continuing contacts

with Symes and CNI. And between the Mayflower event in the election, Kushner had a few interactions with Symes and CNI, both in person and by phone, to discuss how to move forward with Russia and the idea, that idea of getting a small group of advisors together to address it. And Symes told Mueller that he, not Kush, initiated all the communications. And Simmes told Mueller that he not Kush initiated all the communications and that Kush never asked him to set up a back channel with Russia. He actually said that. No, it was all me. He never asked to set up a back channel. I can seem like I didn't say anything about a back channel. And he told Kush not to be hush hush with Russia and to handle Russia contacts with care.

And Kushner told Mueller roughly the same account of the characterization of those discussions. So Mueller was like, well, it's all I got. So Mueller then highlights a specific meeting between Kush and Symes that took place August 17th, 2016. Symes request in Kushner's New York office. And the meeting was basically how to smear Hillary's foreign policy and her Russia related attacks on candidate Trump. And remember in the debate, she called him Putin's puppet. Yeah, that was a classic moment there. Yeah, they're, he's like, I'm not

a puppet here, puppet. Yeah, yeah. You nasty woman. But that was basically what they were getting together to try to figure out, how to counter these attacks that he's a Putin puppet. So ahead of the meeting, Symes sent a memo outlining what he thought Trump should say about Russia, and he mentioned, quote, a well-documented story about questionable connections between Bill Clinton and the Russian government, parts of which have even been discussed with the FBI and the CIA in the 1990s. Kush forwarded the memo to Stephen Miller, Manafort, and Gates, with the subject

suggestion only. Manafort scheduled a meeting with Symes, but Manafort was fired before he could meet with them, and so Symes only met with Cush. And let me read you the next paragraph, because this is fun. During the August 17th meeting, Symes provided Cushner with a Clinton-related information he had promised. Symes told Cushner, then there's a redacted paragraph for personal privacy. And then Simes claimed he received this information from former CIA and Reagan White House official, Fritz Irmarth, who claimed to have learned it

from US intelligence and not Russian intelligence. So this right here is dirt on Bill Clinton, exchanging hands, between a US citizen former Soviet with ties to the Kremlin to Kushner. And to me, this is bigger than the June 6, 2019 or June 9, 2016 Trump Tower meeting. And taking information that was obtained by US intelligence. So to say, you know, that's what he's saying allegedly. Okay.

Yeah, some guy named Fritz Urmarth Wow used to work for the government former CIA and Reagan White House official. Yeah, that's where he claimed he received the information from Mueller doesn't say that it's real or not But there's obviously some dirt on Bill Clinton under that privacy red action and Kushner decided not to use it Use that dirt because it's quote old news.

And then Kushner told Mueller, he believed this is so great. He said, he said, he believed there was little chance of something new being revealed about the Clintons because of their long careers in public service. And that he never received any dirt that could be operationalized for the Trump campaign. Symes recalled sharing the same dirt with a small group of people organized for Jeff Sessions. But right here, when Kush is like, the Clintons are too clean, we're not going to find anything on him.

You just basically admitted that, right, or he turned it down because it would be projecting to some level, right? They don't want to like put anything out that could be used against them. Like start the conversation about something that they're also doing. No, not so much. I mean, yes, but my point is that Kushner just said Clinton's clean squeaky clean. Right, right. There's nothing she's great for pursuing.

No, she's a great person. She's great candidate for president. There's nothing on her. There's no contacts with Russia. And this bill thing is old news. I can't not going to be able to find anything on the way. Right. She's great. Yeah, basically. That's basically what he said to her. this bill thing is old news that i can't not gonna be able to find anything right right yeah basically

uh... that's basically what is that the right but yes you're totally right now on the other hand yeah depending on what's that redacted stuff is i wonder if it is some stuff that could be well if it's bill i don't blame her necessarily you know so yeah maybe she is quickly clean well i mean they would still hold it against her they would but he didn't use it because it's old news. And you're right. To an extent, he might not have wanted to release this because people would start asking,

where'd you get that? Yeah. Where'd you get that shit from, bro? Especially if it was, it's stuff on Bill Clinton, right? Yeah. Especially if it was something sexual in which case Trump probably has a whole trove of people that have blackmail on him in that world. Totally.

Yeah. I have a feeling, although I don't know for sure, that it's just some connection he had with Russia in the 90s, and that was the dirt, but then it would also be difficult for them to release dirt on Bill Clinton with the Russians when they're conspiring with the Russian. Exactly, similarly to the sexual stuff. Yeah, exactly. Problem, really. Yeah, but you're right, maybe it's just totally sexual and weird. Yeah, it's like hold my beer moment for them, you know, like that'd be really hard for any,

either the parties. Yeah. We do know it has to do with Russia though. Okay, Clinton something Russia. Yeah, yeah. What it is, Clinton sexual ties to Russia. Yeah, really who knows. Everyone's got him.

So we talk a lot about the June 6th Trump Tower meeting, like I said. And how junior was happy to seek dirt from a foreign adversary for that meeting. If it's what you say, I love it, especially later in the summer. And now here's Kushner's own dirt meeting. Both men Kushner and Trump Jr. were not jazzed with what they got, but they both actively sought assistance from Russia and then lied to cover it up. And that's illegal enough, right?

I think that's huge. Right, yeah. No, it doesn't say why they didn't charge Kushner here. It did say why they didn't charge Junior for the Trump Tower meeting. And that was because you have to know. Mentry, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

And they don't mention that here. Interesting. So how is this dirt? You know, why is this okay? Exactly. But the junior stuff wasn't, but they ended up being okay, because junior was too stupid to be charged. Yeah, and maybe really none of it's okay. And Moller's just like, guys, look.

There's so many examples. Yeah, yeah, he's right, but why he couldn't charge Kushner with a crime here. Well, excepting an in-kind campaign contribution from a foreign adversary. Moller didn't charge anyone really close to Trump in that way. So I feel like he's probably saving that for Congress, right? Or the people.

Because otherwise, I mean, he would have charged a lot more people. I mean, or prohibiting him from charging them. It's right. It's right. It's right. It's right. I think he would charge all of them. I think I know what it is.

Dimitri Simes is a US citizen. So it's not a foreign adversary. It's one of those. Remember how we were very careful to say that Mueller could not establish a crime of conspiracy between the Trump campaign and members of the Russian government. Symes is not a member of the Russian government.

But if he conspired with them, then that's their middle guy. That's their almost a fall guy. But you can't charge him with cons a member of the Russian government. But if he conspired with them, then that's their middle guy. That's their almost a fall guy, but that's not it. But you can't charge him with conspiring with the Russian government if he's not a member of the Russian government. He's a United States citizen. Yeah, it's a safe guy for them. Or if he's proved to be an agent of the Kremlin by being on a payroll somehow, do you think

that would be sufficient? Yeah, maybe that's part of the counterintelligence or an open and ongoing investigation, though there are no reductions for that in this section. So again, I would tend to put that in the counterintelligence or an open and ongoing investigation, though there are no reductions for that in this section. So again, I would tend to put that in the counterintelligence area or Mueller just saw nothing wrong with this. Which is weird to me because it seems like if he's a Russian agent or acting on behalf of the Kremlin, you should not be able to take anything of value from him.

Yeah, yeah. And whether you use it or not, you know, it's the act of. So I don't know. Follow the rubles, yeah. We'll find out maybe. Yeah, I guess. That's the best part of all this. No one ever knows, really.

Yeah, not kidding. That's not the best part. I mean, I'm just hoping that something will be done about this. I know that all the Congress people are like reading this report too as we are. And I'm like, I wonder if they're thinking the same thing, you know, like... Well, I'm sure that's what Adam Schiff is in his whole trip, you know, set up the... If you think it's okay to, like, listing out everything.

Yeah, that and the House Intelligence fan rates. Yeah, and the House Intelligence Committee is subpoenaing the counterintelligence information because that report, quote-un unquote, has gone walkies. As Matt I would say, there's just nothing about it. And then they have these two old FBI agents come in and talk about what counterintelligence is, but we don't have any, as far as I know, there's no publicly reported information that's been handed over on the counterintelligence investigation, which is huge. Yeah, that's like a big can of beans right there.

That's really important work that he's doing opening that up. Yeah, and apparently bar has agreed to start handing stuff over. That's what it, you know, in, in, in interest of a band so his contempt vote, which they put off. But we, we don't know if he started handing out over counter intelligence information. And even if he does, I don't know if we'll ever know what it is. Yeah, that's some juicy stuff right there.

Alright guys, so that's it. Those are those two parts of part four. This part four has like a million parts. Okay, it's not part five. It's part, it's our part five. It's part four, but it's our part five. I see what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, thank you.

So this is like episode five, but we're still on part four. There's gonna be like five or six parts to part four Mm-hmm. So part six is gonna be about part four part seven is gonna be about five notes. I know it's confusing No, it makes sense now. Thank you for explaining it but Yeah, so that was Carter page and Dimitri sign Center for National Interest very interesting and we'll be back next Thursday with part six Which is still part four? Yes

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