Jack - The Mueller Report - Pt. 6

Episode Date: June 28, 2019

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Hello, and welcome to Muller, she wrote. This is part six of our ongoing special coverage of the Muller Report. And today we're going to be covering volume one section four sub-sections five and six about the June 9th 2016 Trump Tower meeting and the events at the Republican National Convention pages one ten through one twenty nine. I am your host A.G. and with me as always are Jelisa Johnson. Hello. And Jordan Coburn. Hello. And this is, of course, I just want to remind everyone, the Department of Justice's Redacted version, as the full report has not yet been released to the public.

So in case, you know, you're listening to this 20 years from now and going, why are there all these redactions? We'll go back and read you the entire thing again. Yeah. We're wondering why those redactions, too, to you guys. Yeah, we feel you. So, let's start on page 110. And this is the introduction to the section on the June tower meeting.

And it opens with a statement that senior Trump campaign officials met in Trump tower with a Russian lawyer expecting to receive dirt on Hillary Clinton from the Russian government. The meeting was proposed to Trump Jr. by Rob Goldstone, who we've always said sounds like a Bond villain, so we often sing his name, Goldstone, thanks to Jesse Egan,

a prior guest. So, you know, this was proposed to Jr. by Goldstone at the request of his client, M.N. Agalarov. That's the son of Russian real estate developer, developer, Eris Agalarov. And Goldstone told Jr. that the crown prosecutor of Russia, which isn't a thing, offered documents that would incriminate Clinton and her dealings with Russia as part of the Russian government's support of the Trump campaign. And as we know, Junior replied, if it's what you say, I love it, especially later in the summer. And so they arranged the meeting, basically.

We all know this, this is all kind of... It's out there, yeah, yeah. It's way out there. We've been through this in public reporting and in our podcast as well. So then, junior invited Manifort and Kush to the meeting. And according to Mueller, members of the campaign discussed the meeting before it took place. Cohen recalled telling Trump about the meeting without mentioning Russia, but according to the written answers by Trump, he has no memory of learning about the meeting, and Mueller found no documentary evidence showing Trump was

made aware of the meeting, or its Russian connection before it happened. Note that it says documentary evidence. Okay, because you have Cohen's testimony there, yeah. Right. And also, there could be something besides documentary evidence like voicemail evidence or phone evidence or or you know maybe I'm reading too much into it and there's no evidence but he clarifies that it's no documentary evidence where he doesn't do that in other you know parts of the report. Yeah, that probably matters then.

Yeah, so there's always some weird word before the word evidence in the report there's not there was insufficient evidence there was not documentary evidence we were unable to find evidence you know instead of there's no evidence which it rarely says there's a couple cases uh... you know we we will point that out as they happen so more than names of asl net sky and how she worked for the russian government and claimed that funds obtained from illegal activities in Russia were given to Hillary and to other Democrats. When Junior asked for the proof, she didn't have it and pivoted to the conversation or she pivoted the conversation to her bread and butter, which is overturning the Magnitsky

Act. She was hired by the Russian government a long time ago to pretty much lobby against the Magnitsky Act and also got Dana Roarabacher involved in it, who we beat here in California, he's no longer a congressman. Yeah. But I think people have joked around that he's been paid by Putin.

Right, yeah. But I don't know that they were joking. I think we go over that in episode 17. If you want to go back and check it out. It's a Vanders-Won indictment episode off the top of my head. Junior said that the Magnetskiat could be revisited when his dad was president and left it at that. That's on its sky. I tried to follow up, but the transition team did not engage. And him asking that question, or not asking that question, sorry, him saying that,

that we can revisit that, that's fine for him to have said. Yeah. I think people think that that has some level of criminality tied to it and it does not. What about the Logan Act? I wouldn't apply here. No. Okay.

Well, no, I don't think so. I mean, it would, but. When I say people, I mean, people that are not like legal experts, just the sound of it being like, you know, we can talk about this and revisit some sort of something that could maybe be related to a quid pro quo situation, but it's not, and that's definitely not sufficient evidence

to establish any of that sort of intent. Right. The evidence here I would think would be that Junior said when he asked for the proof of the Dernon Hillary. I was thinking about that too, yeah. That's the thing where he's actually looking for an in-kind campaign contribution from a foreign entity.

And later on in the declination and indictment decisions, Mueller will go over why junior was not indicted for that, for wanting it, for conspiring to get it, for asking for it, even, you know, because we've all said a million times, whether you get the information or not isn't the law. It's whether you saw it out or conspired to do so. I wish that he had said,

we can revisit talking about the Magnitsky Act. Once you give me the proof, that way being eliminated. I wish you said that. That would be different. Maybe it's just not smart enough. Yeah. So then that's the intro and then it gets into the details. So in most of this, we know, like I said, from our own reporting and other public reporting on the matter. So we get to sub-subsection A underpants A. It's about setting up the meeting, and it includes the outreach to junior and the awareness of the meeting within the campaign. And this section opens with an explanation of who Ares Agalaraf is. He's a Russian real

estate developer, president of the Crocus Group. Take my down to Crocus City, which is one of the developers that Sater and Cohen worked with tried to work with to build Trump Tower Moscow. I think they ended up with IC experts instead. Yeah. But yeah, so this guy has ties to Putin, other members of the Russian government, including the prosecutor general, your Chica, who might have been who Rob Goldestone was calling the crown prosecutor of Russia, because that's not a thing that Russia has. The Krokes group holds

multiple substantial Russian government contracts and worked with Trump on the 20th, the 2013 Miss Universe pageant as well. So it's probably why they looked satirical and looked to them to do Trump Tower Moscow and now this is part of the outreach to set up a Trump Tower meeting in June 2016. And didn't Eris's son perform at that? Yes, the MN Agilaraf. Yeah, and Trump appeared in one of his videos as well. One of his music videos because I guess hot young people were in short supply. Yeah, no, for music videos.

So June 3rd, right, the meeting is June 9th. And now we're on June 3rd. MN, his son, called Goldstone. Goldstone incidentally facilitated an invitation that Trump sent to Putin to attend the 2013 Miss Universe pageant. That's why Goldstone's kind of the go between here. Then there are some redacted bits here for grand jury materials.

Followed by the words, goldstone understood, redacted, a Russian political connection. And MN indicated the attorney was a prosecutor. So it seems like they're talking about Vesonet's Gaia here. So because it's grand jury material, they've removed it even though we know it's Vesonet's Gaia. Goldstone recalled at this point that the information that might interest the Trumps involved Hillary Clinton, and then the rest of that sentence is redacted, followed by another redacted sentence. And the footnotes

here reference grand jury materials connected to a 302 on Goldstone taken February 8, 2018. So after Mueller was appointed. Also referenced our 302s from someone named Schugart. This isn't in the report yet, but Paula Schugart was the head of the 2013 Miss Universe pageant and the FBI interviewed her in September of 2017. There are also references to a 302 from

Cavalazze from November of 2017 and an email from Rhona graph to Goldstone. And usually when there's an email from Rhona graph it's an email from Trump. Because Trump doesn't send emails. Right. He'll print them out. He'll write on them with marker and she'll fax it back to them. Is that real? Yeah, that's how they do shit. Holy shit. Real, yeah. And yet they made fun of the Dems yesterday and the debate for having hot mics. Yeah, I love your tweet about that. About how Trump doesn't know how to operate number 11.

Yeah. But you need to talk shit about technical difficulties. Trump, Jr. tweeted today something along the lines of, oh, it's, can you imagine these people can't even get technical difficulties and can't even get them. I thought it was Trump himself too. They both tweet that yeah, Jr. Did can you imagine any of these Idiots in the war room if they can't operate technical issues and I was like I said dial it down dick face Yeah, I need some icy here for that stretch. They're doing there. That's a reach your dad can't operate in umbrella Trump a Trump's life tweeting tweeting though I have to say,

it was kind of comedic gold in the worst way possible. Definitely. When he goes boring. Boring. Somebody said make politics boring. I'm sorry, man. I know. And I said, I replied something like,

you sound like a fraternity pleasure. Yes. Yes. Forced to listen to NPR. Yeah, exactly. Boring. Yeah. I couldn't tell if that I was like, wait, that can't be his real account.

I mean, can't, of course, I can believe he's fucking ridiculous. But I thought that it was the parody account of Donald Trump doing that because it's so perfect. It's hilarious. It's just hilariously ridiculous thing to say. Boring. There's no sexual assault. There's no treason boring. Yeah, no murder, no lies, no drama. Yeah. Yeah, I realized that now we're going to have the rare experience of seeing his tweets

from the perspective of someone that already holds the office looking down on them. There's the race to get him out. It's going to get weird. Did you see that there's a new story today that there is any world leaders tweets will be flagged if they break Twitter TOS if they you know they're you know their terms service violations they'll flag them they won't take the tweet down and they won't put them in Twitter jail like us regular people just another privilege thing. But they will flag it or somehow label it like this is violates or two is Big step. Yeah, thanks Twitter. Mm-hmm. So

These footnotes there's also call records from Goldstone noted here There's an email from Goldstone to junior at all There's a 302 from many Aminoff a low profile real estate executive turned pop star manager who knew about the dirt on Hillary And then there's more it's not in the report. I'm just telling you who he is and then there's more emails to go to To and from Graph Goldstone and Schugart from back in 2013 that were about Trump wanting to meet Putin at the 2013 Miss Universe pageant. Remember how he was like, maybe he'll be my new best friend. Yeah. Those tweets, they did not age well. No. But I don't know if his followers care.

And then we get to the top of page 112. The paragraph begins, the redacted mentioned by M. and Agalaraf was Vesalinetskaya. Not sure why this descriptor of Vesalinetskaya is redacted for grand jury material, but it is. It's weird because the entire paragraph thereafter describes her in detail with no redactions.

So maybe there's something we don't know about her because like the stripper, yeah, Vessel and it's guy, but that would be for private information. This is for grand jury materials. So there's gotta be something we don't know about her that's not been publicly reported, right? Because everything else is public or reported we know about. They mention they describe her in detail. Maybe they determined she officially was an agent of the Russian government or something.

They say that earlier in the report though that she has ties to Russia. Ties though, but not an official agent. Yeah, because the whole thing was her saying that she was just a rogue actor. Yeah, but she works for the government under that crown prosecutor guy. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, it could be. Maybe the redacted mentioned by Emma and Agalarov was Veselnitskaya. What, sorry, I need to correct myself here

or not correct myself, potentially correct myself. Was she officially there saying here, I'm here on official Russian business on behalf of the Russian government? I didn't think she said that. I know, she didn't say that. Yeah. No, but it says that she officially worked for the prosecutor, especially when she was doing

the Prevazon Holdings K-Crow prosecutor. The Crown Prosecutor? The Crown Prosecutor? Yeah, definitely had established public ties to the actual Russian government, but for this specifically, she wasn't like, I am here on behalf of Putin. No, yeah. And that was easily known to her tie, because that was her job. Yeah. No, yeah, and that was easily known to her tie because that was her job. Yeah, I was being a prosecutor for the

you know the Prosecutors of the prosecution office of Russia. I can't they're named as its name later. Yeah, so this redacted thing Yeah, weird the ugly vessel net sky. No, I don't know. I don't know Body shaming reactions. I asked the jury and the results are in She's got a lot of shaming reactions. I guess the jury and the results are in. She's a blind poll series. She's actually a very good looking, so I know. I really do.

I mean, in her business, you have to be right. Yeah, I have to be a sparrow. Totally. Oh, yes. Yeah, to be a honey pot. So it says she worked as a prosecutor for the Russian Prosecutor's Office. That's not redacted. She lobbied against the Magnitsky Act, which Russia responded to by halting the adoptions of Russian children by US citizens, and that she performed legal work for Dennis

Katsif, the son of Peter Katsif, a Russian businessman who worked for Prevazon Holdings, which was a defendant in a civil forfeiture action alleging the laundering of proceeds from a tax scam. And that's the tax scam that was exposed by Browder and Magnitsky that got Magnitsky imprisoned and murdered. And that, you know, is what prompted Browder to go out and lobby and get the Magnitsky act passed. So something not mentioned here is that Fusion GPS was hired coincidentally by Prevazon to find Dirt on Bill Browder, the guy working with Magnitsky to expose the money laundering. We have an entire episode on the Magnitsky act and all this drama.

It's all the way back. It's episode two, I think, all the way back from December 2017. So check that out. If you want to get the full, because he testified for hours in front of Congress, and it was a chilling story about Magnitsky. So Fusion GPS was a firm that was also hired first by Republicans to get op-o research on Trump, and then hired by the Clinton campaign, which resulted in the steel dossier. So weird coincidence. Oh, yeah.

And it is literally just a coincidence. I know the Republicans tried to bring that up a lot in the Fusion GPS and the Bill Browder hearings about Prevazon Holdings and what's your connection? One of their tries. It's totally just, they were, they're a spy, they're a four higher spy agency. Exactly. And that's what they do. Politicians need information and intel. Yeah, and they, and mostly Fusion GPS does private business stuff.

So if you're being sued, you can hire them to find dirt on whoever's suing you so that you can discredit them in court. It's what, and it's all legal. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. His, his commodity is information and everybody wants to buy that shit.

Yeah. He doesn't care who it is. They know Scarlett is. I'll sell secrets and I'll sell them to the highest bidder. Yeah. I'm a capitalist. So the footnotes on this page are extensive. They include the Southern District of New York and Diting Veselnitz Gaia with obstruction in the Prevazon litigation,

alleging she lied to the court about her relationship to the prosecutor general's office in Russia and her involvement in responding to a US document request sent to the Russian government. She forged documents. Footnote 678 says that when she testified to the Senate Judiciary Committee on November 2017, she said she didn't give junior any info on Clinton. And footnote 679 explains who Magnitsky was, that he worked for Browder who hired him to investigate a corporate tax fraud perpetrated by Russian officials and that he died in a Russian prison. Browder lobbied Congress, as I said, to then

pass the Magnitsky Act. So then we get to page 113. Mueller explains that shortly after Goode's tone called Eman, he emailed Junior, good morning. Eman just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting. The crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Eris this morning, met with Emmyn's father Eris this morning, and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father. It's obviously very high level and sensitive information because it's totally legal, but it's part of Russia and its government support for Mr. Trump helped along by Eris and Eman. What do you think is the best way to handle

this information and would you be able to speak to Eman about it directly? I can also send this info to your father, Viorona, but it is ultra sensitive, so I wanted to send it to you first, meaning knowing that he didn't want Trump to touch this, right? Best, well, Rob Goldstone, Jr. pretty much responded immediately to this, when Goldstone sent this email, like within three minutes, with his famous, if it's what you say, I love it email. And then Goldstone told Eman what Jr. said. Eman got back to Goldstone June 6th. So we're three days from the meeting now, asking if there was any news and Goldstone

emailed Junior and asked when he was free to speak to Emma about the Hillary dirt. So they've put notes here consists largely of the emails between Goldstone, Junior, and Emma, which makes sense. Anyhow, Goldstone arranged the call. That's pretty much where his involvement sort of ends, but not really he gets involved again. And this is the setup part of the story. We interviewed him on the show, Goldstone.

And he told us he was just the introducer and then bowed out once. He put Eminent Touch with Junior. Goldstone would be asked to attend the actual meeting though. So he was there at the meeting and he was like, I didn't want to go. But he was there. Why would he get involved if he didn't want to be involved?

Because he is a dude's publicist and it's part of the job, I guess, when you're working with sketchy people, where especially in countries where the celebrities are also the oligarchs. Yeah. So, Eman and his father, Eris, from the Crocus group, who's trying to put together these fake deals with Trump Tower and Moscow, trying to get him to,

you know, to compromise him and have dirt on him, and make him an asset, winning or unwitting, is gonna force his emissary, so to speak, his envoy, goldstone, to be at the meeting so that he knows everything that happened. Yeah, that's my guess. Makes a lot of sense. All right, so top of page 114,

that same day, Aris Agalaraf called Kavalatsae and asked him to set up a meeting with the Trump org. Kavalatsae is a Georgian-born U.S. citizen, not Georgia U.S., but Georgia over there. Who worked for... I know so many Cavalazes. That's what I'm sure to say. It's a diverse state.

It could be very diverse. Yes, they might have a laugh. He worked in the US for the Crocus Group and reported to Eris Agalaraf. So this Cavalazekai erases his boss. So Cavalazek told Mueller's team that in a second phone call that same day, Agalaraf asked him if we knew anything about the Magnitsky Act and sent him a synopsis along with Vesonet's guy's contact info. Kavalatsi also told the office of special counsel that Agalarov said

the purpose of the meeting was to discuss the Magnitsky Act and ask him to be the translator. Yeah. Geez. Then we get to the awareness of the meeting within the campaign. Underpants underpants, too. And on June 7th, two days before the meeting, and the day after all the emails went back and forth, Goldstoney

butted in again, emailed Junior and said, MN asked that I schedule a meeting with you and the Russian attorney and Junior replied that Manifort Kush and Junior would attend. Then it says, Kofalatsi redacted, puzzled by the attendees, and then he checked with one of Emmons' assistants, Beniaminov, who said the purpose of the meeting was for Veselnitskya to convey negative information on Hillary. Though Beniaminov said he didn't recall having known or said that.

The redactions looked to be three words, and could read that Kavalatsi told someone he was puzzled. Like Kavalatsi told Goldstone he was puzzled, or Kavalatsi told Goldstone he was puzzled or Cavalets a told Junior or Trump or I don't know that he was puzzled about the attendance or Cavalets and someone were puzzled by the list of attendees and that name or information is redacted for grand jury material So the footnotes have a lot of info for that are that's redacted for grand jury stuff But they appear to be 302s from Cavalets a from November 2017 there's a 302 from Ben Cavalazze from November 2017.

There's a 302 from Benio Munoff from January 2018, and then emails between Goldstone Cavalazze Trump Jr. and a fourth redacted person. The Goldstone 302 from February 2018 is also listed as a source for this information. And Benio Munoff is now wrapped up in this as he was in the 2013 mis-universe trying to get Putin and Trump to meet. So these people have been on this for a while. Yeah. And it's the same people. And Mueller's interviewing him, so it's interesting.

Over to page 115, and how on June 8, Kush emailed his assistant to contact Junior about setting up the meeting. Junior forwarded the entirety of his correspondence to Manifording Cush with the subject, Russia Clinton, Private Confidential. God damn it. Not at all. Totally innocent. Oh my God. Sorry, I wonder if it's stuff like that though that makes Mueller say that he was too dumb.

Well, that's what I don't understand. If you're too dumb to know you're committing a crime, why market private and confidential? Doesn't that sound like you know that you're committing a crime? Yeah, I guess I was thinking that it so sounds like you know that you're committing a crime. You have to be stupid. Or privilege, right?

I think you should be punished if privilege is excused. But yeah, he could be that dumb, but I'm not convinced. I know I know about you guys, but I'm not actually convinced, but I see your point though. That's just weird. Private confidential, Russia Clinton, sensitive information. Yeah, I mean, ultimately, it's like you want the information to get out if it's dirt, right? So, I guess, yeah, the private and confidential part could only be in reference to the setting

up of the meeting itself. To our communication. Yeah, right. Yeah. Okay. I think you knew. Well, they set up the meeting for 4 p.m. June 9th of the meeting itself. To our communication. Yeah, right? Yeah. Okay, I think you knew. Well, they set up the meeting for 4 p.m. June 9th, the next day. Hey guys, I'm here to sing the praises of Third Love.

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He also said Manafort warned the group that the meeting would likely not yield vital information, so they should be careful. Hicks denies knowledge of the meeting and Kush didn't recall if the meeting was announced at all. Cohen though recalled being in Trump's office on June 6th or 7th when junior told his father about the meeting and that it could result in getting negative dirt on Hillary. Although Cohen did not recall, Jr. stating the meeting was connected to Russia, mid-set it seemed like Jr. and Trump had discussed the meeting previously, though Cohen wasn't

there. Jr. denied he told his father and the footnotes here on the emails mentioned in 302s from Gates Hicks Cush and Call and that's where they're getting this information from. Okay. Then page 116 continues with Manafort and Cush, not recalling informing Trump of the meeting and Trump stated in his written answers to Muller, I had no recollection of learning it at the time. Footnotes here mentioned 302s with Manafort. Junior's testimony to the Senate Judiciary that Muller reminds us he was not under oath for it, but lying to Congress as a crime, interesting reminder,

makes me think of ongoing open stuff. And the written response of Trump to question one parts A through C. In the footnote, Mueller says he considered Trump's speech, where he teased a major announcement about Hillary before the meeting, and then when the office didn't find evidence, well, the office didn't find evidence that the idea for the speech was connected to the June 9th meeting. So we can assume that there was no documentary evidence of it. Yeah.

But they couldn't find it. Goddamn, that would be such an important piece. And they also, there was a lack of speech Monday when they didn't get the dirt. Mueller says he considered that, did it right before, said a big announcement right after, no big announcement, because no dirt happened. And he couldn't get that linchpin piece. And so when Mueller says, we didn't have the evidence to prove a broader conspiracy,

that would have been a keystone piece of evidence. Yeah, but then if they didn't wind up getting the information anyway, even if you can prove that he intended to accept an in-kind campaign Pantra Brawshot contribution, it doesn't even matter, right? What do you mean? If they don't actually get the dirt, even if they can prove that Trump was willing and open to accept it and was teasing it, it does it like, what does that even matter?

It does because you're conspired to get it. And that itself could, but then you don't have to get the information in order for it to be a crime. It seems like there's instances of that though throughout all of this. That's what Mueller is trying to say to us, right? He's saying he's a by the book guy in the sense that his hand are tied so much that he,

if he doesn't link it completely, he can't charge, but Congress can. Yeah, but he never lays out any sort of conspiracy charges. So in a sense, the obstruction of justice, well, that's different. Yeah, yeah, and he can't. And he can't, because he's missing that key piece of information, so he can't even go near it.

Yeah, that sucks. Yeah, that did, because he's ultra conservative. We have to remember, he's like, Ben's over backwards to give Trump a break. Yeah, that's why he got the job and Trump still hates him. Yeah. I think that is one of the things that I struggle with is just the fact that conspiracy to commit a crime is a crime in itself.

But then it wasn't listed as anything that was even going to be looked at. Like you said, because there wasn't that other piece of evidence that could even get the ball rolling on that. But that's just weird. Or he did all the investigation and couldn't find that last key piece to charge him. Yeah, and then you can't even say that then he has to exonerate him on conspiracy brought a conspiracy. Yeah, and I feel like in like a normal criminal case like with a I guess less privileged person They would be seen amongst like a peer right and like you know a jury And so that's what we're trying to do is get Trump among like peers to be like, Hey, we think he did this, even though you can't do anything about it. And that's kind of what Congress is supposed to be in this case, right?

Yes. Congress's job to quote unquote, and dite him on these crimes. Yeah. And when he says going back to when he notes that Donald Trump, Jr. lying to Congress is in fact a crime, even though he was not under oath, it makes me wonder if Mueller has some sort of subtext throughout the entire report, which is pointing out to Congress, all the points at which people could and maybe should be charged with things, but there are things that currently exist

that forbids people from doing that, or at least not forbids, but the precedent is to not do that. So like saying that you need to make a criminal referral when someone lies to Congress, or like the OLC opinion for example These barriers that sort of exist that yeah stop justice basically Yeah, and there might be things that like the OLC opinion that exists that I don't know about that prevented him from charging Trump Jr. With lying to Congress or Congress has to make the referral

but to Congress or Congress has to make the referral, but because he didn't lie to him, he didn't lie to Mueller, but he lied to Congress. Yeah, that's why I think Mueller is testifying. I feel like he knows that, you know, he didn't want to do it, but now he has to because people are not. I don't know if that's the case because he doesn't want to testify at all. You think he's being cornered? I think, yeah, he's definitely being.

I thought he had a choice. Okay. No, not with a subpoena. Got it. I hope someone asks him he's definitely being. I thought he had a choice. Okay, no. Okay. Not it with a subpoena. Got it. I hope someone asks him that stuff like that. You mentioned this in the report. Why did you do that?

Yeah, because this is precisely the kind of thing that is a crime that he can't prosecute because he didn't lie to him. He lied to Congress. Well, that's why he's like, hey, right here, he wasn't on a road, but he lied to Congress. So it's just kind of like our little red flag. So lots of those throughout this year. Yeah. When we get to the events of June 9th on this next page here,

2016, beginning with Vessel in the Sky, being in New York for an appellate proceeding in the Prevazon case, two birds. And then she calls, great for the budget. Two Sparrows with one stone. That day she called Akmension, a Soviet-born U.S. lobbyist. And there's a few words redacted for grand jury purposes. And then when she learned that he was in New York, she invited him to lunch. Akmension told the office he was working on stuff related to the Magnitsky Act and the Prevazon litigation and that he, Kofalatsay and a guy named Samichornov, also

attended the lunch. Vesunetskaya told them she was meeting with Redacted and asked Ock mentioned what she should tell him. So why was it Redacted? I don't know. And I don't know who it is. Because we know she met with Junior. We know she met with Manafort and Kush. Did with somebody else at that meeting, is it that fourth person in that email chain that was redacted? Is it who Kavalatsay said, this is weird, why these people are attending the meeting when he saw the attendance list? Who else was at the meeting that we don't know about? Or is that even it?

Maybe she was running her mouth and she said something like Trump. Yeah. And then they were dactated for the whatever that is. The what is it on the privacy? Yeah. But it's redacted for grand jury. So that's what I was asking. Okay.

So it says redacted. So she asked Doc mentioned what she should tell him. So it's a dude whoever it is. Or you know, someone who identifies as such. The redacted by you know, all those trans men hanging out in the Trump. Did he they're all, yeah. Swarm in the place. Super, super open with that stuff. Yeah, just very secure with their own right to gender identity. Clearly. Oh, but here I've even noted the redaction bar is too long to be one name. So maybe it must list a person in the reason for the meeting or under what auspices they were meeting. Like she told Doc mentioned she was meeting with Trump Jr.

to discuss dirt on Hillary and asked what she should tell him. That would be interesting. Oh yeah. Just to guess. According to several attendees in the lunch, she showed Doc mentioned a document alleging financial misconduct by Bill Brattern, the ZIFt brothers making donations to the DNC.

So she did have dirt. Then there's a redacted sentence for grand jury reason. The footnotes reference, 302 from MacMension, Samocharnof, Kavalatsae and Goldstone. And there's a footnote that says, Samocharnof did not recall the planned subject matter of the meeting and that in Veselnut's guise later Senate statement, she produced what she claimed

were talking points that she brought to the meeting. So that's weird. And then they all went up to the meeting. Junior Maniforce, Kosh Kavalatsse, Samarcharnov, Okmenchen, Veslenetskaya, and Goldstone were there. The meeting lasted all of 20 minutes. Participants agreed that she was, that she kicked it off with the ZIF brothers, saying that they had broken Russian laws and donated their profits to the DNC or Clinton, and that they were ill-gotten through money laundering.

And I want to remind everyone here that Attorney General Bill Barr has worked with the Ziff Brothers in the past. And for me, that's one of a few reasons Barr should have totally recused himself from oversight of the Mueller probe. Yeah. Barr also worked with Howard Lorber,

one of three blocked calls for the Trump Jr., the day of June 9th. Barr also had about, has about $250,000 invested in Deutsche Bank, and he wrapped alphabane uh... the bank that vandors one's father and law helped run and as we know vandors one was indicted by muller how he's allowed to over so-over see this case beyond me yeah i guess because trump is the person who

chooses right no one else was in charge of bar being appointed right no one else had authority it doesn't matter who's appointed like sessions recuse himself and and come up with you know like bar doesn't matter who's appointed, like sessions recused himself and Trump appointed him. Like, bar doesn't have honor, even sessions. That's in the little racist possum. It's a little bit of honor in there. Yeah. Or would they take, I guess maybe at that point, that's when a Richard painter, like figure would come in and talk to Trump and said him straight maybe, or would it be more of a role of the Inspector General that would do more thorough? Well, it's always up to the person. So it's up to Bill Barr whether he recuses or not.

And he might have been told by an ethics panel that he needed to recuse himself when he may have ignored it. In fact, when they asked him if an ethics panel had told him to recuse, he refused to talk about it. So it sounds to me like somebody said, you have to recuse yourself. There's four giant conflicts of interest here and none of them are golf feed disputes. Right. So you really got to take yourself off of this case and he went, nah, cool.

Yeah, because that's why he was there because of, that was his resume for Trump. Right. Those four cases, yeah. Yeah. And having conflicts of interest isn't a crime, so it's not something that could be officially investigated, exactly. And then also knowing what happened to sessions when he recused himself. Mm-hmm.

Trump turned on him. Yeah. Big times. Why would you even, yeah, I wouldn't have hired him. So he probably gave Trump some on him. Yeah. Big times. Why would you even, yeah, I wouldn't have hired him. So he probably gave Trump some sort of guarantee he wouldn't recuse himself, which his sessions didn't give him. Right.

So here we are. Yeah. So there's a little red flag there. I think a lot of little red flags makes for one big red flag, right? One big red Russian flag. So Agnesian tried to save the meeting. Well, if that's on the sky, first of all, she brings up the ZIF brothers, right? And they engaged in tax evasion of money laundering

in the US and Russia, according to her, although they've never been charged with that here. Then there's a redacted sentence. And then, Archimedes told the office, Mueller, that junior asked if she could tie the payments, if junior asked if Veselundet's guy could tie the payments directly to Clinton, and she said no at which point

Cush just got pissy saying what are we even doing here? There's so they wanted dirt on Hillary. They expected it. They were mad when they didn't get it and later in volume one like I said We'll cover exactly why Mueller says this is not a crime So we'll go over that I'll mention tried to save the meeting as I was saying by pitching Trump could repeal Magnitsky and appeal to us Christians who want to adopt Russian babies. But it was too late. Cush had already sent a message to Manafort, saying who's sitting across from him saying, waste of time. And then he emailed two people from Cush companies asking them to call him to give him an excuse to leave, which

I've used during Bumble Day. Yeah, yeah, I don't blame him for that one. Like give him the high sign and somebody comes over and say, I need to talk to you immediately. Yeah, if you got Kushner and Bumble, that'd be well you get to swipe so that's yeah, it's on the women are in swipe down So a Kush left the meeting early right and then there's a whole big paragraph about inconsistencies and vessel nuts guys Statements and interviews, but no explanation yet about why she wasn't charged in this case Then I had her on my sorry. Go ahead. I had her on my fantasy and timeie and it did not prove to be fruitful and I'm wondering why not. Me too.

Unless it's still open and ongoing. Then there's a paragraph about juniors and consistent statements to the press in Congress, but again no explanation or mention of why he was not charged with lying. And then the final section here being on page 120 covers the post meeting events, including Vesonetskaya and Eris Agalaraugh making unsuccessful attempts to reach out to Trump about the Magnitski Act after the election, as well as Kaffalatze emailing Goode Stoon after the election about setting up another meeting with the T-People.

Mueller didn't identify evidence of the transition team following up. Mueller didn't identify evidence. So yeah, I mean at that point it would be illogical for them to follow up, because they didn't give them evidence. So. Yeah, I mean, at that point, it would be a logical for them to follow up, because they didn't give them anything. Right. Unless there was something else. There are. Yeah.

And there are obviously going to still try to infiltrate the transition and the presidency. Yeah. That's just how Russia goes, no matter who's in the office. Of course, it'd be good if you called the FBI. Yeah. Always. For everything we talk about, you should have called the FBI.

So around June 2017, the attendees started getting questions. A year later, from their attorneys about the meeting, and the June 9 meeting became public following the following month, the news of it. And on July 9th, in a text message to Emma, Goldstone wrote, I made sure I kept you and your father out of this story. And if contacted, I can do a dance and keep you out of it. Wow. Please don't dance.

He added, quote, FBI now investigating, and I hope this favor was worth, was worth for your dad. It could blow up on July 12th. Emmon complained to Cavaladez say that his father never listens and their relationship with Mr. T has been thrown down the drain. And on August, Goldstone told Eman that the publicity about the dumb meeting is destroyed his reputation. He's pretty mad. Yeah, but he shows cognizance that he knew that it was bad, that he said it was a big favor. So exactly.

Exactly. You must know that you were in some sort of peril. Yeah, high level, confidential. I don't want to send it directly to Trump because I don't want to connect him to it yet. That's why I'm sending it to you. I don't want to laugh. Yeah, what exactly did he, I'm trying to remember what his exact explanation was.

He, when he was on our podcast, he said something like, you know, he tried to deflip at least sort of explain it away like, yeah, he was just like, well, you know, I'm friends with MN, I work with MN and MN, those junior and they wanted to get together because someone had dirt on somebody. I just set the meeting up. Totally guy, you know, I'm casino hands in this. I went to friends with Emma and I worked with Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and Emma and insert the sentiment that he knew that that was not a good idea potentially. Yeah, because afterwards he said, this is dumb meetings wrecked my life. I'm keeping you out of it doing a dance, you know, and you knew, bro. Unless maybe he didn't know until later and he's just playing that up to make himself seem more valuable for his employer.

Right. No one Googled in those three days before the meeting like if it's legal to do this. No. Yeah. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No requiring email to an assistant. No, yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no on July 10th, Fooder Foss sent Goldstone an email with a proposed statement for him to make. The email, the proposed statement he sent said, As a person who arranged the meeting, I can definitely state that the statement I read by a junior, the statements by junior are 100% accurate. The meeting was a complete waste of time and Don was never told Vesonet Sky's name prior to the meeting. She talked about the Magnitsky Act and Russian adoption laws.

There was never any follow-up and nothing ever came of it. That's what food or files, who I think is a Trump orgoyer, wanted Goldstone to say. Then there's this sentence. Redacted, the statement drafted by Trump organization representatives was redacted. He proposed a different statement. To me, this actually says,

Goldstone said the statement drafted by the Trump org representatives was not accurate. And that's why he proposed a different statement. It just makes sense in that context. Those redactions are grand jury related and I questioned them because they make Trump and junior look bad. Right. So I'm wondering if bar just, I was going to say bar is the one with the Sharpie in this

case, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The bar, the bar P. And he removed this probably because Goldstone said this bullshit statement that food or fast from the Trump or accept me isn't accurate. Here's more a more accurate statement. So he proposed a different statement. Those redactions, like I said, grand jury material. So it's just weird. Just the blanket statement at this point. Now I thought grand jury actually would mean something, but it sounds like because Bar was doing this that

just an excuse. Yeah, totally. That's what I think. It just makes Trump and Junior look bad. So presumably Goldstone then said the statement should be that he had been asked by his client, Emma Agalara, to facilitate a meeting between a Russian attorney and Trump Jr. The lawyer had apparently stated she had some information regarding funding to the DNC from Russia Which she believed junior would find interesting then it says goldstone never released either statement

Confirming it was goldstone that objected to food or fastest bullshit statement So I don't know why it was redacted. Yeah goldstone didn't release either statement means it was goldstone And why is the other one not redacted in that case, right? It's weird very strange So why wasn't food oross charged with witness tampering? I don't get. Muller says that interactions between Trump and Junior and others in June and July 2017, regarding the meeting,

will be addressed in volume two. Ooh, to be continued. Witness tampering. I thought you could only be charged for witness tampering after it charges already on the table. Oh, I see what you mean. Yeah, so he's not a witness in a case. He's just goldstone.

Yeah, at this point. Right, but he maybe is trying to, he can't even subordinate perjury because he's not a witness in a case. That's a good point. Yeah, we need more cases. He's just a lawyer telling somebody what to say at that point.

Yeah, but the way he's how rolling out is so sketch. Yeah, but it sure does show a consciousness of guilt Absolutely, and if there ever is a charge, which I hope there is then I hope that counts for something Yeah, and I don't think it wouldn't be in here if it weren't somehow important especially with redactions to grand jury materials Finally, Sam a charm off said the organization that hired him to lobby against the Magnitsky act offered him $90,000 to cover his legal fees if he made statements consistent with Veselinetskias, but he declined saying he didn't want to purge himself. Oh, what a smart dude. Why is Veselinetskia not charged? It's just weird.

Yeah. All right, onto the next section. This covers the Republic and National Convention before and after and leading up to. And if you recall, when we covered this during the podcast and during some of our book reviews of Russian Roulette, there appeared to be suspicious connections surrounding Manafort along with how the Republican platform language was changed to ease the language against Russian activity in Ukraine, Russian aggression. We're on page 123 now, and we begin with the introduction that states Trump campaign officials met with Kislyak during the week of the Republican National Convention. officials met with Kisley Act during the week of the Republican National Convention. Mueller states that the evidence indicates the interactions were brief and non-substantive, but during the platform, committee, and see, here's where he's saying the evidence says they were non-substantive.

Exactly. He's not saying there wasn't evidence, right? It's different. So I just find that just fascinating. Yeah. It's also him not saying that there was not sufficient evidence. So it's kind of him making a judgment saying that he had evidence and it amounted to nothing. Right, exactly.

Yeah. Yeah, so, but during the platform committee meetings, JD Gordon and a senior campaign advisor on policy watered down an amendment, expressing support for lethal assistance to Ukraine in response to Russian aggression. Gordon wanted lethal changed to appropriate. And the woman that sponsored the lethal language, a Republican mind you, that I believe is named Diana Denman

from our previous reporting, told Mueller that Gordon told her he was on the phone with Trump who wanted to change the language. Holy shit. Gordon denies telling her that. But the investigation did not establish Gordon spoke to or was directed by Trump to change the language. So Gordon was just puffing his chest out.

On the phone with Trump, we have to change it. I've seen people do that live before, yeah. I want to phone with the president. Gordon told the office he made the changes because he felt it was just aligned with the candidates position on Ukraine. So he backed down when he had to talk to Mueller about it. So then we get the details. First about the interactions with Kislyak Gordon and Sessions. Mueller says the week before the RNC in July 2016,

about 80 ambassadors to the US, including Kislyak, were invited to a Heritage Foundation conference co-sponsored by the State Department where Gordon and Sessions gave speeches. Gordon said in his speech that the US should have better relations with Russia. During Sessions' speech, he took questions, and it's believed he took questions from,

he took one from Kislyak. And when they finished the speeches, they met in Shokans with the ambassadors, including Kislyak, who shook hands with Sessions, and told him, I meant what I said in my speech. All those sessions stated during interviews with the office that he didn't recall meeting or speaking with Kisley Ak. He believed the two spoke briefly, maybe, about Russia, US relations.

Or whatever, Possum, talk about trash, you know, talk trash. Yeah, wait, so which is it? He doesn't recall speaking to him or maybe they did speak briefly about Russia. He doesn't recall speaking to them, meaning like for any, like having a meeting, but he did say that he meant like Mademaine passing. Mademaine passing and they might have talked and talked about you especially. Right, which is such an easy excuse. It's like believable to a degree, but it pisses me off coming from him.

But he did just give a speech about US Russia relations. So it's feasible that he shook his hand and said, I meant what I said, US Russia relations, we got to improve them. Yeah, yeah, I can see that. Yeah, so this one I actually kind of maybe buy that they didn't have a substantial, like a substantive meeting. And later during a reception that night,

later that night, a dark and stormy night, Gordon sat an eight with Kissley-ac, and said he may have discussed Russia with him briefly. Carter Page was at the table, along with the ambassadors of Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan, by the way, is where Trump built that tower that was built by, that was totally like, mired in money laundering and terrorist money and the, what the Iranian Revolutionary Guard was involved. Yeah, real bad, bad news. So section B goes on into the details about the

party platform change, where the Trump campaign team discussed toning down the language from the 2012 platform that identified Russia as Ukraine's number one threat. Given Trump's desire to have better relations with Russia. The RNC platform committee sent the draft platform to the National Security and Defense Platform Subcommittee on July 10th, 2016, the night before the first meeting to discuss amendments to the 2012 platform. The rules for platform changes are that only delegates can make changes. Delegates it to convention like Diana Dunman. But the Trump campaign members can make recommendations and request changes, and they attended the committee meetings to do that. John Mashburn, hello, was the Trump campaign's policy director and helped oversee the campaign's involvement in those meetings. He instructed Gordon and other committee members to be hands off unless something in the platform

contradicted Trump's policy positions. Don't make changes, he said. So during these meetings, delegate Diana Dunman, ding-ding, there she is, mentioned in the report. I was right, yeah. She submitted an amendment proposal that the platform provide for armed support for Ukraine and announced support for maintaining and possibly ratcheting up Russian sanctions until the Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity were fully restored. And she added that she wanted to provide lethal defensive weapons to Ukraine's armed forces and increase coordination with NATO on defense planning. I like her.

Yeah, Trump's here started bleeding. Yeah. Yeah, because we have a woman recommending Russian sanctions, lethal support for Ukraine against Russian aggression and increased NATO cooperation. It's Hillary all over again. Pretty much everything Trump hates, right? So Gordon told Mueller he flagged the amendment. That's what Gordon told Mueller. No, okay.

And when it was proposed, Gordon and Matt Miller moved, that's another guy from the policy team. Trump's Matthew Miller. No, right. Not from the another guy from the policy team. Trops Matthew Miller. No, not Matt Miller. I mean, I guess he is Matthew Miller, but. He might be, but it's different. Not our Matthew Miller. Right, right. Not cute Kush.

Not cute Kush, yeah. Yeah. So they moved to table the amendment, Diane Denman's amendment, for further discussion. Now all this information, according to the footnotes, came from three O2s from Gordon, Sessions, Denman, Hoff, Mashburn, and Manafort. None of it's redacted.

So none of it's ongoing elsewhere. So I think the RNC platform change is pretty much a dead issue. Yeah. That begins the back and forth with Gordon and Miller and Denman. She said, no, she says Gordon told her, he was on the phone with New York,

meaning the president, and she didn't believe him. She New York meaning the president. She didn't believe him She's not in New York. I didn't believe it. Yeah, apparently our people just brandishing him Gordon says I never told her that and he was going by his knowledge of Trump's policy preference on Russia And how he wanted Europe to deal with Ukraine and the US and Russia should be buddies, right? I just knew this I didn't tell her I was on the phone with Trump But he totally said that and she was like I don't believe you Gordon's phone records show a call to sessions in DC but not to New York or Trump. So Trump says, I mean it's good that Mueller followed

up on that. Exactly. He got to verify those claims and we learned that this guy's a piece of shit that lies about being on the phone with Trump. It happens a lot. Yeah. Like when Corsi said it was his tweets that got the wiki week stuff really is still like goodness and Muller's like, you know, there's no tweets. They're always thinking credit for things that they had nothing to do with. Yeah I'm experiencing some frustration reading this and learning all of How this amounts to not a lot because when this all came out it was Totally written with people saying stuff like that. Like they had talked to Trump and it's frustrating to me that they're just like lying like that. They're just lying liars.

Yes. Yeah, it just sucks. I mean, obviously ultimately for our democracy, it's better for those crimes to have not been committed and for them to have and I'm not reveling in that. But it's so comfortable lying that that's concerning in itself. Yeah, exactly. And it's just gross, you that's concerning in itself. Yeah, exactly. And it's just gross, you know.

Oh, a trouble on the phone. It is. Well, and it's also like a huge waste of our fucking government resources. Oh, yeah. Creating all of these like false trails basically. Yeah, but this is the kind of shit. This is kind of work product Mueller does.

He follows up every little stupid thing. Yeah, I would hear around all the time. And they're not all stupid. Yeah, we need a permanent special counsel. Yeah. So Gordon told the office he tried to reach out to Dearborn, that's Mashburn's pal, and senior foreign policy advisor. He tried to reach Mashburn as well, the campaign policy director. Gordon said he connected with both of them and told them about the language he took issue with, and both of them were on team appropriate measures, instead of lethal, and they were against were on team appropriate measures instead of lethal.

And they were against the lethal language. Dear born in Mashburn, remember Gordon reaching out, but said, Trump had not taken a stance on the issue, and the campaign should not intervene. So that's a difference in opinions, a.k.a. fact. So when, when Dunman's amendment came up in the subcommittee, Gordon changed the language to appropriate assistance and told Mueller to his recollection, that was the only change they made. Sam Clovis said he was surprised by the change and didn't think it was an alignment with Trump's views. So, Mashburn, Dearborn, Clovis, everyone's like, who's doing this? I think it's Maniford by Russia.

Oh, that would make a whole lot of sense. Because Manafort's here. Oh, he's in that bitch, yeah. And that could be an ongoing thing. So yeah, they were surprised. Everyone was surprised. Were you surprised? I was surprised.

Mashburn told the office when he saw that change, he felt Gordon violated Mashburn's directive not to change the language. And that's part six of Section four in volume one. And next week, we cover the last two parts, seven and eight, the post convention contacts with Kissley Axe, a little more R&C action, and Paul Manafort. It's juicy. It's all juicy, but I really appreciate this review. It's like all these things we've talked about for two years now are so solidified in this context,

it's easy to follow. Yeah, it's a lot of shit. Yeah. But I'm glad we're doing this. Totally. Yeah. And just because these things that were huge headlines before as potential crimes are turning out to not have sufficient evidence, it doesn't mean that there wasn't other quid pro

quavs going on behind the scenes for the counterintelligence. Right. All the counterintelligence. And all of that. And that's all counterintelligence that he didn't include in his report. Yeah, yeah. So class for next week read pages 127 through 144. Yes, I do feel like we're kind of like you know a class a college course for a more investigation.

A little lecture with a switch. A lecture with swears. How much do you think Trump even like, like the purpose of a party platform, right? How much other role does that even play outside of pre-election things? Right? Right.

Cause they just want to be in power. They're not gonna give a fuck, whatever they can do to be in power. They're not gonna be like, that's why I think it's sneaky Manafort shit. Exactly. Like Manafort is the only other guy who like, that's why I think it's sneaky Manafort shit. Exactly. Like Manafort is the only other guy who was here that's not mentioned in this part of it,

who was at those meetings, who may have forced Gordon to make these changes in the platform on behalf of Russia in order to help pay back their own costs. Yeah. Absolutely, he was that guy. He was so anti-Cranian. Yes.

And he, because he was pro-Yanikovic, that he was blocked, what, opposition block. Anti-Ukrain being on their own. Right, totally. Yeah, anti-Ukrain having nice people in charge. Yeah, exactly. All right, guys, so thank you so much. Thanks for supporting, thanks for listening.

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