Jack - The Mueller Report - Pt. 7

Episode Date: July 5, 2019

Join the hosts of the award-winning podcast Mueller, She Wrote for part 7 of their special coverage of the Mueller Report!  This week, we cover pages 127-144.

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That's what he said. That's what he said. That's what I said. That's obviously what our position is. I'm not aware of any of those activities. I have been called a surrogate at a time or two in that campaign. And I didn't have, not have, communications with the Russians. What do I have to get involved with Putin for? I have nothing to do with Putin. I've never spoken to him.

I don't know anything about a mother than he will respect me. Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. So it is political. You're a communist. No, Mr. Green. Communism is just a red herring.

Like all members of the oldest profession of a capitalist. Hello and welcome to Muller Shee Road. This is part seven of our special coverage of the Muller Report. And for the last few episodes, we've been covering the eight subsections of section four, the Russian government links two and contacts with the Trump campaign. We've gotten through six subsections, including Trump Tower Moscow, Poppedopolis, Carter Page, Demetri Simes, and the Center for National Interest, the June 9th 2016 Trump Tower meeting, and the Republican National Convention. Today, we'll cover the last two subsections of Russian contacts during the campaign, and those are the post pain and those are the post convention contacts and Paul Manafort and we'll be going over pages 127 through 144. So we'll put that in the episode description for you as well.

So let's turn to page 127 in our hymnal shall we and start with the section on post R&C contacts with Kisley Ag. That's a hymnal right? Yeah. Okay perfect. I went to church. Yeah. I don't know, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, would have been just too short. So I, I, you know, yeah, it's all good. It's my strategy. So this covers Kisley Axe continuing efforts to interact with the Trump campaign officials with responsibility for foreign policy, like Jeff Sessions and JD Gordon. And this is in the weeks following the Republican National Convention. Mueller says here that the Office of Special Counsel did not identify evidence of coordination between the campaign and the Russian government in this post-RMC apocalyptic section A is about kissly I can find Gordon de Breakfast that is home cute on August 3rd 2016. The same day as the meeting between Nader, Zammel from SIG Group and the Trump campaign at Trump Tower happened. Remember that meeting? Yeah. We made our way to the Halloween, the Christmas Eve, and the Christmas Eve, and the Christmas Eve,

and the Christmas Eve, and the Christmas Eve, and the Christmas Eve, and the Christmas Eve, and the Christmas Eve, and the Christmas Eve, and the Christmas Eve, and the Christmas Eve,

and the Christmas Eve, and the Christmas Eve, and the Christmas Eve, and the Christmas Eve, and the Christmas Eve, and the Christmas Eve, and the Christmas Eve, and the Christmas Eve,

and the Christmas Eve, and the Christmas Eve, and the Christmas Eve, and the Christmas Eve, and the Christmas Eve, and the Christmas Eve, and the Christmas Eve, and the Christmas Eve, They're like, Gordon's trying to invite himself to our Xamal meeting. I hate that guy. Let's see if we can get Kissley Act to take into breath. I wish it was like those little, you know, palace intrigues going on. Yeah, in the Mueller movie and they gotta do that.

I think it would be great. So, Kissley Act assistant, Kissley Act's assistant invited Gordon to have breakfast at Kissley Act's residence in DC. And Gordon declined five days later saying, we are busily knocking down a constant stream of false media stories while also preparing for the first debate with HRC. Hope to take a rain check when things quiet down a bit. So he never went to breakfast.

Knocking down things that are sketchy, knowing that this is a sketchy thing. He's totally good. He's like, not right now. We already have way too much sketch. We can't add another sketch. Also in August of 2016, the Russian Embassy contacted Sessions Senate Office about a meeting with Kislyak. At the time, Sessions was on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, so it wasn't unusual for him to meet with a number of foreign officials in that capacity. And on September 8th, he met with Kislyak in his Senate office and was

accompanied by at least two of his Senate staffers. Sandra Lough and Pete Landrum. Lough and Landrum. The meeting lasted less than 30 minutes. None of the attendees remember any discussions about Russian interference. Sessions in Landrum recalled that after the election, some efforts were made to arrange a meeting between Sessions and Kislyak through the Center for National Interest. That's the Mayflower people, but sessions was in New York

and was unable to attend any meetings during the time suggested. Mueller did not identify evidence that the two met at any point after the September 8th meeting. All right, onto the jackpot. Paul Manafort. Yes. Or do you want to end the poll?

Yes, sorry, just questions there. Yes, well, yeah, quick comment. So basically, this is saying there's nothing there because two people said they didn't remember anything or all the people that were there. So they didn't remember anything. Coal wrecked about Russian sanctions. Exactly. Yeah. So if a trader falls in a forest and knowns around, how do we do this one? Actually, I think they just said Russian interference, not in sanctions. I'm sure they discussed sanctions Which equals interference, but anyway. Yeah

Yeah, yeah, just because they didn't say yeah, and he didn't have any documentary evidence or emails or text messages Yeah, I'm willing to accept that nothing sketchy happened between them and the capacity that he investigated at least But I do feel it's important to note that all of them just conveniently forgot Yeah, collect them amnesia, I think. What a smart person would do would be to record and or annotate the meeting or have a staff or put down what happened in the meetings so that you had notes about it. Right, the FBI knew that, but I guess he's Trump, guys, then get the memo. We'll get it. I get the memo, huh?

If you take notes too, there's the risk of them wanting to find the notes after the fact too. Like for example, Cypress through Maniforce notes in his meeting. So it's like- Yeah, that's their problem, evidence. Yeah. Exactly. So it becomes dangerous to take notes. Lawyers shouldn't take notes. Only bad lawyers take notes.

Trump actually said that in case you're listening to this 20 years from now. Oh my god, I forgot I forgot I was reading. Maybe this is exactly exactly who was coming from All right, anyway jackpot Paul Manafort page 129 Okay, so this is this is the main B for this the rest of this entire section on contacts between Russians and the Trump campaign As we know he served as Trump campaign chairman from March to August of 2016 and as we know he had prior connections to Russians through his work in Ukraine Including Oleg Darapaska. Manafort's point man for staying in touch with the Russians was Constantin Kolimnik, who

the FBI and now Muller says has ties to Russian intelligence. Manafort instructed Gates, his deputy on the campaign, to provide Kolimnik with campaign information, including polling data. This is called tasking, as we know. It's an active measure used by Russians, where they go, but we can use that guy. And then they task him with something that seems like, whoa, yeah, I want the internal polling data.

I want you to send it to me. And then if he does it, you know, you have them by the balls. Yep. They've done this a million times. They did it with Americans. That's all in the Russian indictments. And we've talked about it earlier in this report too, in the Mueller report. Yeah, it's a strategy.

They mentioned that too. And they get kudos from their higher ups for being able to task these things and have them come to fruition. Because that's how you recruit and maintain an asset. Yeah. So that's what they did with Manafort. So yeah, he successfully got gates to do this form. Oh, the point.

Yeah. The footnotes here, talking about Manafort being convicted on eight tax foreign bank account registration and bank fraud charges, and then it goes on to list those charges. And about gates pleading guilty to two crimes. Two crimes. Two times. Two crimes, two crimes. And oddly enough, the foodies are involved. Oh, yeah. That's right. I was thinking of the hangover, but probably different.

And then on page 130, Mueller says, what we already know to be true, in fact this whole thing is just a series of episodes that we put out really. Manifort met twice with Kalimnik himself to convey campaign information. The second meeting was on August 2nd in New York, where Manafort told him about a peace deal that would act as a backdoor means for Russia to control Eastern Ukraine. After Trump was elected, Kalimnik wrote to Manafort, saying the plans success would depend on US support, writing, quote, all that is required to start the processes for a very minor wink from Donald Trump. He also assured Manafortord that if he were in the US or that if he were the US

representative that started the process, he and a Covich would ensure his reception in Russia at the very top level. Reception in Russia like after he flees the country. Yeah. That's interesting, right? Also a very sorry go ahead. No, please do. A very minor wink. Is this something that we see him do on television? Yeah. Or is this something directly to Putin through some of the first wrestling tweet was so interesting. I was like, is this coat to Russia? Like, do they have a system vouchers that stroke or something? But yeah, yeah, just a very minor wink of after we get through this whole report, we'll find that there was no attempt, at least

that Mueller could find. He does say that lots of evidence was destroyed, lots of it was encrypted, and a lot of people lied to me, particularly in this chapter. Yeah. In fact, in the intro, when he says that, we got a lot of people lying to us, we got a lot of encrypted shit, we got a lot of destruction of evidence. I think he's mostly talking about Maniford, because we'll run into it a lot. Yeah, and what if you find a video of Trump winking? Will that be evidence?

Like, that's tricky. But that's the thing is that the Ukraine peace deal for Russia-domain, Tain control over Eastern Ukraine, never came to fruition and Trump never even signaled a little bit that he knew about it or wanted it to happen. In fact, this was probably just Manafort's way of winking at OVD, which is Derepaska.

For dead forgiveness. For, hey, are we good again? Which Maniforce didn't pay his debt because the peace deal never went through. So, who's in prison and is still in debt? Uh-huh. And because the Ukraine still belongs to Ukraine, it's not, you know, the Eastern part. I mean, it's still dangerous over there. But Trump did give Ukraine missiles in exchange

for them dropping their investigation into Manafort. So he kinda succeeded. The little guy that could. Well, that's the opposite. Oh, I see. Because they gave weapons to Ukraine to protect themselves from Russia. So that's not good.

Yeah, so Trump was just doing that for different reasons. So Maniford failed. Wow. But he did get Ukraine to stop looking into Maniford in the modern fact. So it was just more work cooperating with Mueller. Right. Yeah, yeah. When they took all of his stuff and liquidating his entire inventory of life to give it back to

the government, he should have written notes that's like saved for Bette Dara Posca, because that's all that he had. Like, all of the shit that he even could conceivably liquidate. That's not the right word. Yeah, like we move in the wheel or something. Yeah, yeah. So off to him is gone now. So not only is he in debt, but like all of his assets are seized by the government.

Yeah, so what does he do even if he did get out right? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know because it says here that if Maniford got Trump to give that wink and if he were the US representative that kicked off the process ervolowing Russia to keep Eastern Ukraine That you that would ensure his reception in Russia at the top level. He doesn't have that now Yeah, so I don't know if he's considered a foe or a friend to Put in and Darapaska I would say foe. Yeah. Yeah.

But maybe Trump made it up to him by having minutia and lift the sanctions on Darapaska after selling off to you know Darapaska sold his shares. We'll get into it. Right. Right. But now they're building a giant aluminum plant in Kentucky and so maybe that was sort of like a hey sorry the man of Fort Thing fell through here's a here's the aluminum plant and all your money. Mitchell show you all your money. Everything you need to know. Exactly. Can you imagine if manifords on the phone like you got to get this plant for me man? Yeah, it's like a star of God. I'm wondering if that's an attachment seven with the text messages

between heaven, a hand in ear is a lawyer like oh we need to really do something good for Daripasca. Yeah, I've been trouble with this. Guys, please. There's gotta be a win-win here. Yeah. So anyway, Mueller reviewed numerous Maniford emails and texts and asked Trump about the plan in the written questions they sent him. So remember when they sent Trump a bunch of written questions because Trump wasn't going to testify, even though he promised he would.

So they sent that, they asked him about that in his written questions too. But despite Manafort communicating with Kilimanc on at least four occasions after the first discussion on August 2nd, Mueller did not uncover any evidence of Manafort's passing along the information about Ukrainian peace plans to the candidate or anyone in the Trump campaign or the administration. So that's the failure. Yeah, yeah. But Mueller explains here that he was unable to get all of Manafort's communications

because Manafort used encryption to hide them. And while he denied that he spoke to members of the Trump campaign about it, he lied to Mueller and the grand jury about the peace plan and his meetings with Kolimnik to cover them up, which led a judge to determine that he breached his cooperation agreement. So Manafort may have very well succeeded

in communicating this peace plan, and that might have led to the giving of missiles to Ukraine in exchange for shutting down their investigation into Manafort and the Russian interference. It might have been a deal that they made. They're on the bone because he did good. Yeah, or just that's the deal that they made. Okay, yeah, I think. Yeah. Look, we got to get you, we have to be nice to Ukraine because they're investigating all of us. And so we're going to give them some shitty missiles and you guys don't invade the Eastern thing. I know you wanted the Eastern thing,

but in any case, it might have happened that Manafort did tell the administration and that information was destroyed or they lied about it. We don't know and we won't know. Mueller could not reliably determine why Manafort shared the polling data and Manafort and redacted did not see a downside to sharing the campaign information. Trump and told Gates that his role in the campaign would be good for business and that he could be made whole for work he previously completed with Ukraine. With regards to Darapaska, Manafort told the office, Mueller, that by sharing campaign information with him, he could resolve a disagreement between them,

which is a nod to the lawsuits that Darapasca filed against Manafort. Before, or because of a question about Manafort's credibility, obviously everyone questions his credibility. So because of that, Ann Muller's limited ability to gather evidence on what happened to

the polling data after it was sent to Kalimnik, the office was unable to assess what he or others may have done with it. I want real damage, I cost. Right. Yeah, we're going to get into the details of discussions about that polling data, those polling data. Mueller was unable to prove the polling data was connected to Russian interference, nor could they establish that Manafort otherwise coordinated with the Russian government on

its election interference efforts. So again, that's when he's like, they destroyed evidence and they lied to us. I think they're mainly talking about Manafort here. So if they gave then this polling data, and then there was some way to corroborate that they took that polling data and adjusted their effort, whether it be social media or who they're targeting or something for hacking and stuff. If he could have proven that, do you think that would have resulted in something? As long as it wasn't circumstantial, as long as they had evidence, documentary evidence of saying in exchange for this polling data, or we're going to use this polling data, or we're using this polling,

these polling data, these not this, to do this. Which is tough because if they're to have a brain, they're not going to say that. Yeah, and so otherwise then it is legal for them for Maniford to just give that data and then have them take it and run with it. It hurt our democracy. I don't, it's not legal, but in order to prove it's a crime, you have to have that. Yeah, that's a good distinction. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. It's prosecutable. Totally, exactly. Because you have to have that distinction. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly. They're totally exactly because you have to obtain and maintain.

And I'd be fine with circumstantial evidence, like not being something to charge with if they apply it to everyone, but I keep getting the feeling this is like privilege again at its finest, right? Like just the idea of, well, we see the connections are close, but they're not always touching things. Right. Like a kid who has on video, raping a girl that's passed out, who says, I'm raping a girl, and that somehow isn't enough evidence to conflict, too,

as an adult. He came from a great family, you know. So it's, yeah, it's not applied equally. But it's the best system we got. We just have to fix it. And it doesn't help the way. Yeah, the only, definitely. And it doesn't help when people lie and hide

and breach their plea agreements and fuck with you and cover things up and use WhatsApp and encrypt everything and lie about it. And then he still committed so many crimes lately that he's still fucked. It's like they just, it's what they do for a living. Criminals, professional criminals. Right, and for William Barr to come out and say,

nothing's wrong, everything's fine. He's a criminal. Despite all this, is very dangerous to our democracy, as we know. Yeah. So let's see, then we get into the weeds, right? Starting on page 131 with subsection A, about pole manifords ties to Russia.

And if you've been listening to the podcast, this is all gonna sound super familiar as does most of Mueller's report, actually. The intro here says that manifords ties to Russia are rooted in his work in Ukraine with Darapaska from 2005 to 2015, covering his consulting and political work. Kalimnik worked for Manafort in Kiev during that entire period and continued to communicate with Manafort through at least June of 2018.

That last year. That's a long time. Yeah, that's after a lot of stuff went down. Manafort started working for Darapasca in about 2005. Darapasca is a Russian aluminum magnet who magnet magnet. Who was sanctioned and he's aluminum magnet. That's right. It sticks right to aluminum.

That's what's on his pillboard. Yeah, magnets. How did they work? So he was sanctioned by the US until recently. When Steve, as I said, Steve, the Secretary of the Treasury, Mnuchin lobbied to lift those sanctions by allowing Dara Pascar to sell some of his shares of his in his aluminum empire, but he sold them to the Kremlin and his family members and still has controlling interest by proxy. And then lo and behold,

Kentucky signed that deal to open the largest aluminum plant in the United States, and that's McConnell's home state. And he was one of the Republicans. He was one of the Republicans that voted to live sanctions on Derapaska. Derapaska, Derapaska. Yeah, I don't even want to give him the credit by pronouncing his name. Yeah. Derapaska. Like a Trump nickname.

Right. Derapaska sounds a lot more elitist. Kamala. Yeah. She'd be a great AG by the way. If he does get the presidency, Kamala would. No, I'm saying Kamala would kick ass as AG. Yeah, it's hard to say when Trump is wrong in your face.

Oh gosh. Or like an IG, but she's above that position. That's fair. Yeah, but she would be so good at it. She could be the IG like Horowitz. Yeah, yeah. And a cool president too, I'm cool with it, you know, whatever, whatever happens, they're all great.

I think her and Warren would be cool. Absolutely. Yeah, could change though. I gotta go, you know, whatever, whatever happens, they're all great. I think her and Warren would be cool. Absolutely. Yeah, could change though, I gotta go, you know, we'll see. Yeah. That's very early, seven months till the first primary. True. History's gonna fly by though.

Yeah, history's gonna be. Yeah. So anyhow, Manifor it was a consultant for Oleg, Darapaska, who used him to install friendly political officials in countries where Darapaska had business interests according to Rick Gates. That's pretty much how they became friends. Manafort earned tens of millions for this work and was loaned millions by Darapaska as

well. All of this is according to 302's from Manafort and Gates, as well as Manafort company memos and financial statements. Then Muller talks about how in 2007, Darapaska invested millions with Manafort in a failed telecom deal in that led to bad blood between them, which is pretty much the basis for the quid pro quo between the two, the exchange for campaign info to make hold, pay him back.

A little later in this section, we'll talk about how Tom Barak pitched Manafort to Trump who offered to work for free. I know he's been on Jordan's fantasy and diet lately for a while. Every week for a while. Maniforce met Renat Aqmetov through Darapaska who hired Maniforce as a consultant for the party of regions in 2005. Party of regions is like a Russian-backed political party in Ukraine, pro-Russian

Ukrainian, kind of like opposition block, and Maniforce helped them regain power by grooming Viktor Yanukovich to look just like him, who eventually won the presidency in 2010, but fled the country in 2014 to Russia after popular protests ousted him by. Then we get to skinny on Kalimnik, and as we know a lot of deep deep stators claim he's an American agent. He's not, and you can refer any doubters to page 132 and 133 of volume one of the Mueller report. He worked for Manafort, he has ties to Ukraine and Russia, and maintained a relationship with Derapaska's deputy, Victor Boyarkin, who previously served in the office of the Russian Embassy to the United States.

We reported in episode 61 on a story in Time magazine about Boyarkin when he was on the top of the US sanctions list. He's a former arms dealer. He's an ex-Russian spy. He handled Derapaska's money. And Boyarkin told reporters he was in touch with Manafort who owed Derapaska a lot of money. I think he might have been like the muscle. Yeah. What are those people called the bounty hunter muscle? The apes. Yeah, yeah. The muscle sounds rocky. Yeah, yeah. Bounty Hunter couldcle the apes the yeah, yeah, the the muscle sounds rocky You know yeah, yeah bounty hunter could be it too But the person who goes to do the the dirty job to get the money to go retrieve the shit

Yeah, so what will you know it's a bounty hunter? I don't know. I didn't know a bounty hunter is a guy who goes after people who skipped bail Oh, okay, and turns them into the cops to get their bail to get their rewards. It's kind of a good person Well, damn this guy's worse. That's kind of a good person a little bit. This guy's worse. That's in terms of a whole job for that. Yeah. This guy. That's the reason we have an easy shit. Yeah, which is fine too.

Yeah, and those are Americans, not immigrants. They're collectic on. But yeah, no, this guy just goes and I don't know if he's the muscle. He just goes and he's- He seems like it, yeah. Yeah, that's what it sounds like to me. And I know there's a word for that guy, but I can't think of it. Rocky, he did that. So Boyarkin told reporters that he was in touch with Manafort who owed Derapaska money,

right? And he was offering to pay it back. And Boyarkin was approached by Muller, according to Boyarkin. And Boyarkin told him to go dig a ditch. Oh, this was in December of 2018. And with some of the clearest evidence of coordination or at least the quid pro quo between Manafort and Derapaska, right? According to the footnotes The info on Boyarkin was supplied by Gates and Sam Patton. There's no more mention of him in the muller report at this point So that was our contact. Hello. Yeah. Hey, this is Boyarkin. Okay cool. This is Smeller No, I guess that'sin. Okay, cool. This is Smoller. No. Giving it.

No, no, no, no. Go dig a ditch. I guess that's a big insult in Russia. Yeah. The dude who dig a lot of ditches. Yeah, only the prestigious people get to work in the internet research agency. Everett.

That's digs ditches. Yeah, that's kind of bringing Moller in though into the mob life, it seems. Yeah, and which is used to. Go dig a ditch. Yeah, he's probably had way more clever like insults around him, right threats, you know? I wonder if later Boyarkin was like, and which is used to. Yeah, he's probably had way more clever like insults around him. I wonder if later boy arcane was like I should have said something but he had five different kill lines he was trying to chase between. Hope he's not

a shower. Damn it. That would have been so much better. And will you learn to self-edit boy arcane. Then at the top of age 33, a man of fort told Mueller that he didn't think Kalimnik was working for Russia. But the FBI, however, assesses the Kalimnik has ties to Russian intelligence and then Mueller lists four pieces of evidence supporting that assessment.

And they include Kalimnik was born April 27, 1970. I'm younger, yes. Then that in the Soviet Union, former Soviet Union, he attended the military institute of the Ministry of Defense from 87 to 92, high school for me, and then Sam Patton, a business partner to Kalimnik, stated that Kalimnik told him that he was a translator in the Russian Army for seven years, and that later he worked in the Russian armament industry selling arms and military equipment.

So that's one piece of evidence. Another piece of evidence, US government visa records revealed that Kolomnik obtained a visa to travel to the United States with a Russian diplomatic passport in 1997. There, he's part of the Russian government. Kolomnik worked for the International Republican Institute, IRI, Moscow office, where he did translation work in general office management from 98 to 2005. While another official recalled the incident differently, one former associate of Kalimniks at IRI told the FBI that Kalimnik was fired from his post because of his links to Russian

intelligence. The same individual stated that as well, and it's well known that the IRI and Kalimnik had links to Russian government. That's so funny because when you go to a new job, they ask you, why'd you leave your old one? I wonder what he tells them. Totally. And actually, there's five pieces of evidence, not four. Number four is Jonathan Hawker, a British national,

who was a public relations consultant at FTI consultant. Consulting worked with DMI on a public relations campaign for Yennecovic. After Hawker's work for DMI ended, Columnet contacted Hawker about working for a Russian government entity on a public relations campaign for Yenikovych. After Hawker's work for DMI ended, Kolomnit contacted Hawker about working for a Russian government entity on a public relations process or a project that would promote in Western and Ukrainian media Russian positions on its 2014 invasion of Crimea. So he did that too. So it makes sense because that's what the whole thing is about. Is Russia wants that Eastern part of Ukraine?

Crimea, yeah, Crimea river. No, sorry, it's a bit little in here, but that phrase always makes me think of it. Yep. And then Gaetz finally Gaetz suspected that Kalimnik was a spy of you that he shared with Manafort, Hawker, and Alexander, and Vanderswan, an attorney who had worked with DMI on a report for the Ukrainian Ministry of Foreign Affairs. That's Vanderswan. And that report for the Ukrainian Ministry of Foreign Affairs. That's Vandars' one. And that report for the Ukrainian Ministry of Foreign Affairs,

that was the report that whitewashed the Temeschenko jailing. Do you remember that? Yeah, we've talked about that. And that was episode 17. In a wheelchair? Deformed from pretty much. Or disabled? Yeah.

So they basically were imprisoning her, and they'd worked together with Vandarswann and Gates to try to get it So that the right this report and try to lobby the United States to say that she deserved to be imprisoned basically lock her up That's where that came from. Yeah, the original. The OG probably not. It probably was even for that. Yeah, I get point. The footnotes here site 302's from Manafort, Sam Patton, Lenzian, Nix.

The Nix reference is about the International Republican Institute's Moscow office, the IRI, where Kalimnick did translation work. Nick's, I think, is the former head of Cambridge Analytica, NIX, Nick's, Alexander Nick's. Lindsey is the director of the IRI in Georgia, not here, there. So interestingly, at the end of all those bullets, there's a short redacted sentence for investigative technique with no corresponding footnote. I'm guessing it relates to how Mueller was able to determine Kolomnik was connected to Russian intelligence. Another way, and it makes me wonder if this is another bar redaction so that we don't see it. Right, with him, you just don't know. But it would make sense for Mueller not to reveal his...

Well, because Trump's one of Trump's whole deep state things is that Kolomnik is working with the CIA like Mif Sud. Right. Trump's whole deep state things is that Kolomnik is working with the CIA like Mif Sud. So if you have a sentence there that definitively proves that he's a Russian fucking spy. I gotta get that one out. Yeah, he might have covered that up for investigative technique. It's like scrambling for the white out and hurt the black out in this case. Well, we will never know, at least not today. On to part B, on page 134, contacts during Paul Manafort's time with the Trump campaign.

And again, we know most of this, but we'll go over it with you. He served on the campaign as I said from March to August, though at one point Trump tried to downplay Manafort's role in his campaign. Do you remember this? This isn't in the report. I just remembered it. When he said he was there for less than three months, it's only been there three months. When in fact, that's more than five months.

And he was the chairman. And Gates was the deputy chairman who stayed well into the transition after manifold resigned in shame? Yeah, that was when manifold was starting to get accused of things right? Yeah, came out of the head of that Ukraine money time Yeah, stop. We have to leave Yeah, I don't even know this guy I hardly know her. Well like Dara Puska. Who I don't even know what you talking about That's Karam knock. I don't even know, which talking about? Dara Puska.

That's Karamnok? I don't even know. Yeah. You never hear Trump trying to like say a Russian's name because he knows he's almost pronounced it and he's like, I don't know, afraid of insulting them or he just can't pronounce it. That are Putin's like, don't say it. Don't even bother.

Yeah, you must likely that. That's some sort of weird cuckoo. I would love to see him try though. I know I imagine him being like, they're a pasca with a thing in your shirt. We're very good friends, Oleg. I call him Steve. Maybe Oleg and Steve Mnuchin are the same person. Have you ever seen him in the same room at the same time?

Oh, shit. I have never seen him. I can't believe it. Can you imagine Steve Mnuchin trying to be a Russian mobster? Oh my God. He's such a whirly. No swag. He ain't guys not canoff. No Russian swag.

They're all just Dana Carvey. Yeah. Anyway, here's your part, Jordan. Here's where we confirmed that Thomas Burak and Roger Stone recommended Manifort to Trump. So earlier in the year, Manifort asked Burak to pitch him to Trump to join the campaign right a letter, and he wanted to manage the convention as well, the Republican National Convention. Obviously, because he's the guy who's in charge of making sure that Russia can control half of Ukraine. And so he wanted to get in there and fuck with that thing.

He needs something done. He's doing it so with that platform, right? Stone had worked with Manifort from 1980 to the mid 1990s. I didn't know that. They used to go clubbing together through various consulting and lobbying firms of course. And Manafort met Trump in 1982 when Trump hired his lobbying firm that he and Stone ran. According to Gates, Manafort went to Mar-a-Lago in March of 2016 to meet with Trump and Trump hired him right then and there. And no one's ever talking to me the way before you're hired. I like what you're putting down. Yeah.

And this is important. Maniford had no meaningful income at the time, but offered to work for free. And Gates told Mueller that Maniford intended to remain outside the administration, if Trump were elected, to monetize his relationship with Trump if he won. Mm-hmm.

So that's all he's about. Yeah. Okay, is to monetize knowing Trump and to pay back Daripaska for knowing Trump, that's it. He's figures if he can get in with Trump, he can erase this debt, not be killed by Novichuk and possibly continue climbing. Yeah, very valuable action.

So the minute before Manafort joined the campaign, he instructed Gates, excuse me, the minute after. The minute after Manafort joined the campaign, he told Gates to prepare a bunch of Memoranda to Darapaska. Ock Mentoff, Viavachkin, what's his name? Viavachkin. Yeah, Liavachkin. I have a typo here. And a guy named Kolesnikov.

Those are a bunch of Ukrainian oligarchs who were senior opposition block officials. So pro-Russian Ukrainian oligarchs. The letter said he was working on the Trump campaign. So he just reached out to all of his Ukraine, pro-Russian Ukraine buddies and said, I work at the Trump. Yeah, yeah, just bragging.

And I'd be happy to consult with you on Ukrainian politics in the future. And in March 2016, Gates sent the memos and press release announcing Maniforce job to Kalimnik. And Maniforce reached out to Kalimnik later to see if he got his note and Kalimnik said absolutely every article. And that's when Maniforce said,

how do we use this to get whole? Has OVD operation seen? OVD is Oleg's something, Darapaska. I didn't write it down. Yeah. Begin with a V, ends with an itch. Oleg very, yeah. And Kalimnik wrote back the same day and said, yes, I've been sending everything to Boyarkin

who has been forwarding the coverage directly to Darapaska. Boyarkin is like Darapaska's deputy chief staff. Makes sense, yeah. Number one guy. Number one guy. Then here's something that wasn't part of the public reporting back in the day. Get this.

Gates told Mueller that Maniford thought his role on the campaign could help confirm that Darapaska had dropped his lawsuit. And Gates thought Maniford sent polling data to Darapaska as part of that effort. So that's what Gates told Mueller. Gates said, this is a quid pro quo. He's gonna drop lawsuit if I can get campaigned information to him. That's what Gates told Mueller. Gates also told Mueller that Derapasca wanted a visa to the United States and could possibly get one if

Manafort was working for Trump. Gates said that Manafort never told him anything specific about what Manafort might be offering Derapasca. And we know from Mike McFall, Derapasca begged Clinton for a visa when she was the Secretary of State, but she never gave him one. Putin even asked her on multiple occasions. Gates then told the office that Manafort instructed him in April of 2016 or so to send Columnic internal polling data and other updates so he could send them to Ukrainian oligarchs. Gates understood it would be also shared with Derapaska and then there's a redacted bar for grand jury stuff, probably Putin or the deputy prime minister, somebody higher than Darapaska. I'm assuming. These polling data came from Tony Fabrizio

and handing it over was a way to showcase Manafort's work. Which power, I guess. Or his usefulness. Yeah, like his, how good of a little soldier he is. Yeah. And that's the tasking we were talking about earlier. And Fabrizio worked with Manifort for years. And this is, I didn't know this, I did,

but I forgot. Fabrizio was hired by Manifort to be the polling data guy on the Trump campaign. Oh my goodness. So, yeah. I mean, he's the polling guy, right? Yep. And they didn't specify a fair polling.

Exactly. That they wanted. She's got this stuff. They just want internal. That's the most internal as it gets. Oh, definitely. Yeah. And if you've been tasked by Russians to hand over polling data, you better bring in one

of your buddies. Yeah. Someone you can trust to get that polling in. Yeah. Yeah. And you can do cry with you. And of course, the polling data was sent via WhatsApp and Gates then deleted the communications on a daily basis.

This is Gates' testimony. Right, right. They sent it via WhatsApp, polling data from Fabrizio, who was placed by Manafort. Send it to Columnick, who sent it to knowingly, they knew it was going to go to Derapaska and somebody above Derapaska. And then Gates was deleting these messages on a daily basis. I guess he doesn't know that WhatsApp does that for you. Very suspicious shit.

What app has been like having outages along with other platforms recently? And I'm fuck what? I get very curious about that. Considering how involved it was with these crimes. Yeah, I could be wiping the servers clean, all kinds of things. And that's part of, again, when Mueller just opens up the report saying, there's a lot of shit I couldn't get because people deleted shit. Yeah.

He says right here, gate's deleted at daily. And gate's continued to send the data after Manafort left the campaign. He kept doing it after Manafort resigned. He just couldn't stop. And gate's account about polling data is consistent with redacted multiple emails. There's a redacted.

Okay, I'm gonna say I'm the same. That's a redacted multiple emails. There's a redacted. Okay, I'm gonna say how does that make sense? The email is redacted. With multiple emails, Kolimnik sent to US Associates in press contacts between July and August 2016. The email's referenced internal polling, the status of the campaign,

Manafort's role in it, and Trump's prospects for victory. Quote, Manafort did not acknowledge instructing gates to send Kolimnick internal data, and the final sentence here is redacted for grand jury. He just gave him a wink. That's what that says on the end. Yeah, so he lied again.

Exactly. Yeah. But even though Manifort denied it, Muller had emails consistent with gates account. One example of this is an email exchange between Manifort and Kalimnick where Manifort told him to tell Boyarkin, that's Darapasca's guy, that if Darapaska needs private briefings, he could accommodate that. Now Manifort told Muller he was only willing to brief Darapaska on public campaign matters, such as why Trump selected Pensis the Vice President, but Manifort said he never gave Darapaska a briefing.

And we know this not to be true, as Manifort met with Kalimnick on multiple occasions, and Darapaska's jet was nearby, which then took Columnic to Russia to pick up the Deputy Prime Minister, and then went to hang out on Dara Posca's yacht. The most expensive Uber pull you could ever get. With Nastya Rybka, yeah. Uber collusion. Uber collusion? Oh my God.

And that's, yeah, that's Nastya Rybka's video on. Lift sanctions. Yeah. You guys are on it. Lift sanctions. Yeah. You guys are on it, man. Uber collusion, lift sanctions. Love it, leafed. And all these communications, by the way, they all come from three O2s, from Gates, Manafort, and Manafort emails, according to the footnotes on pages 136 and 137, along with some redacted

grand jury testimony. And 302s, again, those are the forms that an FBI agent fills out when they interview you. Yeah. Then right on cue, Mueller discusses Manifords two campaign period meetings with period meetings. They think we have those. I'm not never had one of those with me. And I know. Every group. Are you never grow. Are you there, God? It's no Parker that you just a boxed tampons.

We're like, there's a diagram on the back and go there. Now I'm just kidding. I didn't want to ask. I think so. Yeah. So Mueller discusses Maniforts 2 campaign period meetings with Calibnex starting on page 138. So they met twice in May on August of 2016.

And if you listen to Mueller, she wrote, you know, all about these meetings, especially the August one, because that was a big one. Gates arranged the first meeting, and Manafort and Kalimnik had breakfast. It's a breakfast thing. Manafort, of course, lied to Mueller and said Kalimnik didn't ask for anything during that meeting. The second meeting was at the Grand Havana Sagar Club on August 2nd. And Mueller doesn't mention that the Grand Havana is in Kushner's Devil Building, 666 Fifth Avenue, but it is. And Mueller spells out exactly as we reported on it. He spells this out on July 28th because we went through this. You'll remember this timeline.

July 28th, Kalimnik flew from Kiev to Moscow. The next day, Kalimnik wrote to Maniford, asking for the meeting, using code language about a conversation he had that day. The subject line was black caviar. He wrote the caviar. And he wrote, I met today with the guy who gave you your biggest black caviar jar several years ago. We spent about five hours talking about his story and I have several important messages from him to you. Oh my God.

This is just like when drug dealers totally try to get you to it. Your boyfriend Ryan has a joke about this. I don't know if he does it anymore. Yes, so they call him T-shirts. Are he sure? Yes. Yeah. That's great.

He's weird. There's more in the email. He asked me to go and brief you on our conversation. I said I have to run it by you first, but in principle, I'm prepared to do it. It has to do about the future of his country, and it's quite interesting. Okay, former KGB guy, even I can crack your fucking code. Cheers. Everybody knows this is Yana Kovic, And Maniford told Mueller that the guy,

Maniford actually told Mueller the guy was Yana Kovic and explained that he gave him a large jar of black caviar that was worth 30 to $40,000. And this did jive with Columnic being in Moscow where Yana Kovic resided when Columnic wrote, I met with the guy today, and with a December 2016 email in which Columnic referred to Yana Kovic as BG.

Now there's a few redacted words due to grand jury stuff, though the footnote is redacted due to that and investigative techniques. I presume what's under that redaction is what BG stands for. Oh, yeah. The Yanakovaich is the big guy. Black caviar. No, that's like... BG is a famous rapper in the young money and cash money group.

It's not it. That's not it. That's not it. Good to know. You're a team. That's not it. He isn't jailed though. But how does that verify a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a it say, is he had his BG, the caviar guy or something? Oh, black caviar guy? Oh, that's not quite it. I don't know. That's a strange one there.

I don't know, but Mueller is saying it's Yana Kovic and he, and this email, whatever it said, an email in which Kalimnik referred to Yana Kovic as BG redacted, corroborates somehow that Yana Kovic is the guy, the black caviar guy. Yeah, of course it'll be the coat that corroborates it. They try to cover it up, they're not total idiots.

It's pretty stupid. It's like borderline hard to track. Sometimes I'm wonder if this spying, it's just all weird stuff like this, like black caviar. You know what? Aren't you supposed to be like international scary spies? I don't think they assume people would care so much about these things to catch up to them.

They don't think average Americans would be like looking into this shit No, and I think it comes down to one of those you know the Komi moment when he's in the White House with Ashcroft Em bushing he's looking around he's like it's us where it we're in charge of the universe Yeah, and you know so I look at some of these spy emails and I'm like that's it This is it that's that's the whole cloak and dagger though. There people write novels about this shit Yeah, so people are probably better spies, but they don't get caught. Yeah, and that's why my friend who's a Convert my friend who's a conspiracy theorist sort of a friend is a loose term That's why I'm always just like no man the government's not high Nalians

They can't come up with a filing system. Have you read their encoded emails? They are too stupid I'm so suspicious. I'm so suspicious. I'm so suspicious. I believe that. I do believe there could be a secret group. That is hiding aliens, but they're too smart. No.

They can't. Nope. Never know. No, unless it's Mueller. Mueller might be hiding aliens. They're only one who can't leave. I wouldn't put it past them. I don't think we have the power to harness aliens.

Really? No. I'm with you. Yeah. I don't think they'd give us the time of day anyway. That's a good point. It makes me sad though, because I used to want to believe that we could do that. But now I'm starting to really question a year right, A.G. Like, give us some time.

Yeah, sometimes. Do you do all the time? They're not together. Right. Like I said, when I took my government job, high level government job, and I walked in there in the year 2009. There was a Windows 95 for Dummies debt book on my desk and an IBM word process. And an alien I made the little. We just upgraded to Windows 7, okay? So like just yeah they're not hiding aliens and this is what spy emails look like. Right. If we had better government maybe we would be hiding aliens. We'd have like the real expensive, you know. Way too expensive. 92 million dollars, isn't that what the military parade was?

We had that wealth tax. Yeah. There's no way we would have been able to capture them if we can't even go and find them ourselves. Yeah, yeah. They're clearly hiding from us, if anything. I, yeah, I would just ignore us. Right, right.

I don't know, man. We're like hillbillies. We're in the middle of nowhere. There's gotta be other intelligent life that's way more time-to-use. Yeah, yeah, closer to like the like the you know core of the Milky Way We've only been here for a couple hundred thousand years. What maybe yeah, and the wrong person. I'll say six thousand We're already killing ourselves. Yeah, it's well, they could be examining us on scales. We can't even comprehend

They're listening to Mueller. She wrote whatever we're just another study and like up yep All they only made a couple hundred thousand years like maybe they're playing risk. Maybe they're betting on us Yeah, they're like biological called a sack fail totally. We're like the real a coaster tycoon or whatever Yeah, they're taking bets on if a meteor is gonna kill us or we're gonna kill ourselves They have their own fantasy maybe maybe some Intelligent life out technologies themselves. Maybe some just use up all their resources and stuff it Maybe some of them make it really far and get super clear. We can prove them wrong Just vote for a Democrat and we can make it solve better guys

We can prove those aliens wrong that'll rise up against our creators With lasers All right guys July 31st guys up, raging in the evenings with lasers. All right, guys, July 31st, three days later, Kolomnik flew back from Kiev to Moscow and wrote Maniford that he needed two hours for this meeting because it's a long caviar story. He said, and he wrote, it's a long caviar story.

It's where to go, this is it. This is the KGB. So he wrote he would land at JFK on August 2nd at 730 and they agreed to meet for a late dinner the same night. Mueller says documentary evidence corroborates the time and the place of the meeting. As for what was talked about in the meeting, Mueller surmised from Manifort and Gates testimonies and documentary evidence of what Kalimnik told Sam Patton that they talked about three main things. This is where Sam Patton came in handy. It sounds like he told Mueller what was happening in this meeting.

First, they talked about a plan to resolve political problems in Ukraine by creating an autonomous republic in the eastern region of Dombas and Yanukovych would be elected to run it, a run as the Ukrainian president. Again, Maniford acknowledged this was a backdoor way for Russia to control Eastern Ukraine. That was his goal. And he wanted to give Eastern Ukraine to Russia in exchange for the $19 million.

He owned like Derab Vaska. Maniford told Mueller he said to Kolomnik that his plan was crazy town. So Maniford's like, yeah, he wanted me to do this. I said, you're fucking crazy. And he didn't recall Columnic asking him to consider, to reconsider after their August second meeting. Then there's a redacted sentence for grand jury reason,

which reads, Maniford said redacted that he reacted negatively to Yanakova sending an urgent request when Yanakova needed him. When confronted with an email written by Columnic in December 2016, though, by Mueller, Maniford changed his bullshit story. Some Mueller showed him an email written by Kalimnik in December 2016, though, by Muller. Manifort changed his bullshit story. So Muller showed him an email saying, yeah, but look right here. And he's like, oh yeah. And he acknowledged that Kalimnik raised the

piece plan in January and February. He had meetings with him. You got me, bro. Caught me slipping. Caught me slipping. So now here we know that Manifort met with Kalimnik a few more times and lied to Muller about it. Because we only thought he met with him in August. And he does two times in September and August. Butfort met with Kalimnick a few more times and lied to Mueller about it. Because we only thought he met with him in August and he does two times in September and August, but he met with him in January and February too. Thrice. Oh no, four times.

Quarce, quarce, I don't know. Four torsie, I don't know. Four torsie, teensy. And that's 14. Oops. 14 times, what do we do? But anyway, I didn't know that. I didn't know that he met with him too.

And Mueller pulled out the email and said, yeah, you did. And he's like, shit, you got me, bro. Cool, cool, good, good one. I wonder if we had tried to have fun. Yeah, I get my fist bump. Another topic of discussion, topic two at that cigar bar was Manifort briefing Kalimnik on the state of the campaign in his plans to win the election for Trump, along with the campaign messaging and the internal

polling data. According to Gates, and this is important, it also included a discussion of key battleground states, which Manifort identified, Manifort identified, as Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Minnesota. Manifort failed to mention that to Mueller, however, but as we know, Trump won the Electoral College despite losing his ass in the popular vote by securing fewer than 88,000 votes

in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania. But of course, as Mueller has said, he didn't look into whether the vote was manipulated or not. Even though we know all 50 states got hacked and some of them might have had things changed. And that may not have worked specifically mentioned those three states in that meeting when you were conveying polling data. And he won by 88,000, left fewer than 88,000 votes in those three states.

Miller must be leaving that one to the states because it's already a battle with like some states not wanting to out the counties that were hacked, like they're kind of working. Well, he left it to the FBI. Yeah, that makes sense. And the FBI is leaving it to the States, and the FBI is currently run by Trump. So there you go. Gross.

Finally, they discussed the unresolved derapeutic third thing. They discussed the Derapaska lawsuit. And the funds, apparently, the opposition block owed to Manafort for his consulting work and how Manafort might be able to get that payment. It's like, um, buddy, I wouldn't push your block there. You owe Putin's number two guy, $19 million.

Who does number two work for? I guess in this case yet. Poo. Tim, when the meeting was over, Gates and Manafort said they left separately to avoid the media finding out about the meeting. So they knew that there's none to none. And then on to page 141 in the section about post-resignation activities after Manafort resigned. And he resigned in mid-August, as we all know,

with when his pro-Russian Ukrainian ties came out, and about two weeks after his second meeting with Kalimnik. But after he left, Gates said he continued to consult with ban and cushion Trump himself. And these contacts are documented in emails, including a message to Kush with a strategy proposal that the campaign say Clinton is a failed and corrupt champion of the establishment, and that WikiLeaks gave Trump the ability to make the case in a very credible way by using the words of Clinton

herself. In another email to Kush, Manafort said he was feeling good about their prospects on Tuesday, and they should, quote, focus on preserving the victory. Because Hillary would respond to a loss by claiming the Russians hacked into the their prospects on Tuesday and they should, quote, focus on preserving the victory. Because Hillary would respond to a loss by claiming the Russians hacked into the voting machines and tampered with the results. And this is really interesting to me. That before the election, a little bit before the election, with, I think less than a week, Manafort says to Kush, he's excited about Tuesday, but we need to focus on preserving the victory. It's kind of like when Marco Rubio said that thing,

like what if, I think they exactly predict it. Yeah, and so it's no mistake here, I think, that the order in which Muller lays this out, he has the meeting with Columnic. He tells him the polling data and gives him information on three key states. And then Trump wins the election by less than 88,000 fewer than 88,000 votes in those states. And then Manafort reaches out to Kush, and he puts this in here for a reason to say, I'm feeling good about Tuesday, when you need to focus

on preserving the victory because Hillary would respond to a loss by claiming the Russians delegitimized the Trump election. Yeah, very specific. And Trump seems to be very angry all the time when anyone questions his legitimacy or the electoral legitimacy or anything like that, so that's really interesting to me. Yeah, it makes me think, yeah, exactly. I guess it could just be optimistic speech before an election, right? That's what you can write it off as. There's no reason. There's no conceivably easy way to prove that that was them saying, we know we're going to win. I would write it off as such if Mueller didn't stick it right there in this report

in such a way. Yeah. Yeah, because there's millions and millions of documents that this report represents. And to put that bit of information in there is everything he does is very personal. Intentionally, yeah. So just to lay out that series of events, it was just really, really interesting to me. After Trump won, Manafort lived up to his claim that he didn't want a job in the administration, but he wanted to monetize his adjacency. I made up that word, but it turned out to be real. So he traveled to the Middle East, Cuba, South Korea, Japan, and China, and was paid by

them to describe what a Trump presidency would entail. So he goes over the design of Trump real well, you want to know what's coming, and they paid him to tell him. That's insane. He also had meetings related to Ukraine and Russia including a meeting which we reported on that took place in Spain Remember the Madrid January 2017 meeting between Manafort and a guy named Oganov Oganov had previously worked at the Russian Embassy in the US and was a senior director at one of Darapaska's Companies

Manafort denied attending the meeting to Mueller but later owned up to it and said it was arranged by his lawyers in the Darapaska lawsuit. Manafort also lied about the reason for the meeting when Mueller found text messages proving his lawyers did not set up the meeting, but the Kalimnik and Boyarkin, Darapaska's chief of staff actually set that meeting up. And the text messages show the meeting was about repairing Manafort's relationship with Darapaska and that Manafort said it needed to be done by the inauguration. Interesting. Three days after that meeting, Manafort emailed Katie McFarland.

And this is the first time we've come across her name in the Mueller report. She was designated to be Flynn's Deputy National Security Adviser. She didn't start yet, but she had been picked. Manafort's email said, quote, I have some important information I want to share that I picked up on my travels over the last month Now Manifort told Mueller the email referenced an issue regarding Cuba not Russia or Ukraine citing his trip to Cuba. I went to Cuba Does she have any connection to Cuba part of part of me makes part of me thinks that he went to Cuba just so he could say That he went to Cuba. Yeah, yeah, he's that is an excuse But make Farland didn't respond to his email, not that Mueller could find.

And the footnote show Mueller has these emails, along with text messages between Manafort and Kalimnik. And they also show the MacFarland emails included Flynn. Flynn was copied. Manafort also told Mueller he met with Kalimnik and Lyavatchkin around the time of the inauguration to discuss the Yennecovich piece plan. Now, you remember Lyavatchkin around the time of the inauguration to discuss the Unicovic Peace Plan. Now, you remember live-achkin is the guy,

Sam Patton bought a ticket for $50,000 to the inauguration. He's one of those Ukrainian oligarchs that went to the inauguration and everyone was scratching their chins. Like, that's a way that they got pro-Russian Ukrainian money into the inaugural or two Trump somehow. Right, by buying tickets. Yeah, well they bought the ticket and then days after they're talking to Maniford about

a peace plan. Yeah, using a straw purchaser. So like I said, Maniford told Mueller he met with Kolomnik and Liveodchkin around the time of the inauguration because he was there to discuss the peace plan and by peace plan meaning handing the Eastern Ukraine to Russia. Yeah, not exactly peace. It's as around the time of the inauguration is this before or after,

around the time to discuss. And they talked about the peace plan, the same peace plan they talked about in the August 2nd meeting. And again, in December, emails found in Columnics email account. And that's redactive for investigative technique. They probably just didn't want us to know

how they got into Kalimnik's email. But that's the email where Kalimnik says that they just need a wink or a nudge from Donald Trump. And the decision to de-manifort as a special representative could manage the process, which DT could have peace in Ukraine within a few months of inauguration. And then we have a paragraph redacted

under grand jury auspices. No guesses to what's under there, but it's regarding Manafort seeking to qualify his engagement on and support for the plan. So it's got something to do with Manafort being a part of it. Then a month after Manafort's Madrid meeting with Oganoff, he went to Madrid again in February to meet with Columnick and Manifort lied about this meeting twice to Muller, but after being confronted with evidence, Columnick was in Madrid at the same time. He fessed up. That's all it took. He was in the same city, and he was like, okay, well dumbass. He said Columnick had updated him on a criminal investigation into so-called black ledger payments to Manafort that was being conducted by Ukraine, the Ukraine's national anti-corruption bureau.

This is the one, this is the investigation. And then there's a redacted couple of sentences, but this is interesting, because of the reporting that Trump eventually, as I was telling you earlier, gave missiles to Ukraine right as they agreed to stop cooperating with Mueller on the Manafort investigation.

And according to Mueller, Manafort, he doesn't bring that up in here. Mueller just brings that bit up. Just that little part. But he doesn't bring that up in here. Muller just brings that bit up. Just that little part. But he doesn't say then they stopped cooperating. Yeah, that's a really important thing. I got so to. Yeah.

According to Muller Manafort remained in touch with, maybe that's one of the hand-off things. Oh, I don't know. We'll see. Maybe. But anyway, sorry. According to Muller Manafort remained in touch with Columnic throughout 2017 and into the spring of last year, which included conversations about the criminal charges brought

by Mueller against Manifort. They also chatted about Ukraine peace plan. And last year, Manifort helped draft a poll for Ukraine and a poll primer, which called for Trump to support the autonomous Republic of Donbass, which is, again, giving Eastern Ukraine to Russia. And Yanukov, which is role in resolving the conflict, being the hero.

So very interesting lobbying that he was taking place as he was under a gag order. Mueller says here that he did not uncover evidence that Maniford communicated the peace plan to the Trump campaign or the Trump administration. We've talked about that. Kolemnik promoted the peace plan to the United States State Department into the summer of 2018. And that's the entire section on Maniford guys. And I feel like it's missing so many things.

Maybe it'll come up in the declinations and reasons for why, like the whole next section, section five, is all about who we prosecuted, why he prosecuted people, and why he didn't prosecute people. And I'm hoping he covers this because Manifort lied so many times and he breached his plea agreement. And there's been no, usually once you breach a plea agreement, you get brought up on

all the charges you weren't charged with, but there's been none of that. And I don't know what's going on. And it's not in the report. And there's not even harm to an ongoing matter in the Manafort section. And it's still an ongoing matter in my mind. It doesn't seem resolved to me. Yeah, because you've been super-seating Manafort

on your indictment link, I think. I do, I do a lot. Because maybe this means that's not gonna happen. Maybe, or maybe. I thought that it will. And then like you said, past off, could that be the case? Yeah. It could have been handed off.

Yeah, that's a good point. It could have been handed off. Yeah. That's a good point. Cause you left that things that harm to an ongoing matter. There's no redactions for harm to an ongoing matter in this entire section. That's a good point to you. So maybe when we get to section five, declinations for why he didn't charge a man for it

with everything he could have after he breached his plea agreement. I mean, it seems like he was like the shittiest cooperating witness and should, if you, if you breached your plea agreement, you should be charged with the crimes that you were given leniency on for having an agreement, right? Right. I would think so. And he lied so many times. And they let him off the hook on it because he was helping, right? But he's not helping anymore. So I don't understand. Maybe they'll explain that. Yeah,

something's got to give. Yeah, there's just nothing about ongoing matters. I don't understand. Maybe they'll explain that to me. Yeah, something's got to give. Yeah, there's just nothing about ongoing matters. I don't know, maybe hopefully it comes up later in the port. I'll save my confusion about everything that's missing. This is a Mueller feedback if he wants to know what we thought of the report. Mueller, if you're listening. But I swear it's still ongoing.

And especially with the recent Austrian Supreme Court agreeing to extradite for Tosh, stones upcoming trial, we could... Hang on to those beans, I think they'll come back up. We'll figure it out. But join us next week, we're going to review Part B of Section 4. That's the post-election and transition period Russian contacts. We still are not done with Russian contacts, and it's pages 144 through 173.

It's going to be a long one, so read up. But until then, we will see you every day for the daily update for patrons and every Sunday for the main episode of Mollarsha Road. And final thoughts, final thoughts, guys. I'm just stoked to keep this going. It's going to be a little while, but I enjoy digging deeper into the things that we've talked about past few years. It's like, we always dig deep, but this is a way to dig deep, but also talk about these things in a chronological way. Yeah, and the timing couldn't be better either,

because right when we're smack dab in the middle of the declinations and indictments section of the volume one is when Mueller's gonna be testifying, we're gonna be in Philly that night. Y'all be great. Yeah, yeah, I'm excited. It's gonna be really interesting. So stick around, thank you guys so much.

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