Jack - The Mueller Report - Pt. 9

Episode Date: July 19, 2019

Join the hosts of the award-winning podcast Mueller, She Wrote for part 9 of their special coverage of the Mueller Report!  This week, we cover pages 174-199. 

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Recruiter.com slash AG. So to be clear, Mr. Trump has no financial relationships with any Russian oligarchs. That's what he said. That's what I said. That's obviously what our position is. I'm not aware of any of those activities. I have been called a surrogate at a time or two and that campaign and I didn't have and I have communications with the Russians. What do I have to get involved with Food and Fire?

I have nothing to do with Food and I've never spoken to them. I don't know anything about a mother than he will respect me. Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. So, it is political. You're a Communist! No, Mr. Green. Communism is just a red herring. Like all members of the oldest profession I'm a capitalist. Hello, and welcome to Mola Shirod and our ongoing special coverage of the Redacted Mola report. Today we are covering volume 1, section 5, prosecution and declination decisions, pages 174 through 199. And today with me to help me out

here is Jolissa Johnson. Hello, hey guys! How's it going? It's good, you know I'm like in between the sicknesses but I feel just well enough to be here. This is perfect So you might have noticed there's a probably a little bit of a difference between the way we sound right now And that's because we are in Philadelphia We just finished our live show last night. We're getting ready for a meet and greet tonight All kinds of crazy news is breaking today But we wanted to get this part of the part 9 This is the final part of volume one of the Mueller report.

Because next week on Wednesday, Mueller testifies, and then we start volume two, all about obstruction. I am so excited for that. The timing is uncanny. Yeah, it's great. So if you hear a little echo or we don't sound like we're in a sound proof studio, it's because we're not. So I just wanted to let you know that that's what's going on today. But we felt it very important to get this part out to you before he testifies

so we can start the obstruction volume the day after he testifies because I think most of it's going to be people specifically asking about specific instances of obstruction of justice and to break them down and you know it's because I think that's the only way we can get them to talk. Absolutely yeah it should like line up pretty closely. It should be fun. Uh well I don't know if funds are right word. Well you know fun considering this is what we do and we're comedians so it's like we're trying to just live our best life you know. Fun for us. Yeah with all things considered we'd rather he not be president and all these things but here we are. If all the things that could go down should go down, it's this.

And so, yeah, we are. I hope for us in the apocalypse. I think we'll find a way to have fun with it. I think you're right. I think you're right. We'll have just make cockroach jokes or something. That's right. It'll be there. So yes, we're today. We're one page 174 through 199. Mueller explains here that he was authorized to prosecute federal crimes and in deciding whether to exercise its prosecutorial authority, the office Muller was guided by the principles of federal prosecution set forth in the justice manual. So here's basically Muller saying in a very fancy way, here's the laws and if I want to use the laws I have to follow the laws. So thank you. As discussed earlier in the report, that means they would need evidence

sufficient to obtain and sustain a conviction. And if they had that, they considered whether it would serve a substantial substantial federal interest or whether the individuals were subject to effective prosecution in other jurisdictions, and if there was an adequate non-criminal alternative to prosecution. Latter requirements there. Like impeachment. Yeah. There's a lot of rules for rules.

OK. Whoa. Yes. He then summarized that based on those rules, they charged two sets of Russian nationals and then a redaction for harm to an ongoing matter involving the Russian hacks, which is probably Roger Stone, or Julian Assange or both.

And they also determined that the contacts between Trump and Russia did not involve the commission of a crime and where it was criminal, as in the case of campaign finance commissions, they did not have sufficient evidence to obtain and sustain a criminal conviction. So he right there says, there was some criminal activity here, but I just did not have sufficient evidence to obtain and sustain. He probably could have obtained a criminal conviction, but he may not have been able to sustain it on appeal. That's fair.

Yeah, he's thinking about the whole process. And I hate that we have to almost give these people credit for Crimin well enough. Yeah, right or dumb enough dumb enough or they have the right lawyer who knew the law. Yeah, exactly So finally Mueller concludes that the rules supporting charging certain individuals with lying or otherwise obstructing the investigation or parallel Congressional investigations so Yes, so he he was able to charge some people for lying and obstructing and doing some other stuff. Yeah. And then, oh, that's the summary. But then he gets into the juice, the details and the weeds. And it's broken down into three

sections, A, B, and C, where A is the social media active measure stuff, B is the hacking and dumping stuff, and C is the Russian outreach and contact stuff. And this is a basic overview of what we learned in the last eight episodes. So I'm gonna sum it up and you can go back and look at the relevant parts that we went through or that are in the report earlier to see all the details spelled out for you because this is kind of a conclusion

and his decisions on what he prosecuted and what he did not. There's no new information in here. Just an analysis. Yeah. It like tells us here in conclusions, it tells us who he prosecuted and why he prosecuted. Inclusion, ladies and gentlemen, spoons and who he did not and why he did not

charge them. There's some interesting ones in here. So I guess there is some new information in that light. So for the active measures section on page 174, Mueller says he charged 13 Russian nationals and three Russian entities, including the Internet Research Agency and Concord Management, that's Pragozian's joint, with violating criminal laws by interfering in our election. Those charges are conspiracy to defraud the United States, wire fraud, bank fraud, aggravated identity theft, and conspiracy. And the defendants remain at large, except for Concord Management, which is still working its way through our courts.

And in this case, it's when they hired the American lawyers and fired all kinds of weird court filings. Yeah, weird to get word for it. They were quoting cartoons like I taught I taught a putty tat and dropping f-bombs and ultimately forged Inane court documents release and release them using an anonymous Twitter account saying look we we hacked Mueller So they tried to pretend like they hacked Mueller. Yeah, who is so stupid that they would even want to pretend they hacked Mueller these guys I guess so Yeah, I don't get it at all I don't know if the American lawyers representing

Concord management were part of that. If so, they should be sanctioned, but it might not be. They might just have been unwitting. They just like hotly is. Unwitting like, we'll represent, yeah. Yeah, I got money. Lawyers just do that sometimes. So he then goes on to say that, oh, it's sorry. Oh, it's okay. It's on 45. Yeah, I know. It's like a 5. So he then goes on to say that even though the internet research, sorry, seven forty five. Yeah, and always, I can try. Three, two, one. So he then goes on to say that even though the Internet Research Agency had reached out

and made contact with US persons, he did not charge the US persons because they did not know they were talking to Russian nationals. And this is true in most cases. They did charge one US national for supplying false bank account numbers that allowed the IRA, the internet research agency to access U.S. online payment systems. And that was Richard Pignetto. We've talked about him quite a bit. He pleaded guilty, but even he did not know that these were Russians. Yeah, he was just crying for, you know, other reasons. Yeah. He was like, oh, need a fake

ID? Cool. I'm your boy. So he was sentenced to six months in prison. And then we have the Russian and hacking and dumping operation section and that bulk of this is redacted as it relates to the hacking followed by the you know the Gucci for DC leagues and WikiLeaks dissemination and although we have three full pages of redactions here starting on page 176. This is the longest redacted part I've seen so far in the report We see one unredacted footnote, and it's important. It says Mueller considered, but ruled out charges that the dissemination of the hacked material constituted trafficking of stolen property under the National Stolen Property Act because the law covers tangible goods. And even though the hacking code was stored on tangible items, there is precedent showing

that the content is not subject to the law. that the content is not subject to the law. Wow. Information is not subject to the law. Congress has cited this precedent as a reason for amending the law to include hacked materials, but as of now, it does not. Section 2 on page 179 covers the computer intrusion by redacted.

And I think this might be WikiLeaks or Roger Stone. And Mueller chose not to charge them because the computer of redacted and I think this might be wiki leaks or Roger Stone and Mueller chose not to charge them because the computer of Redacted I'm guessing a sondor stone likely qualifies as protected under law Which reaches all computers with internet access what so if you have an internet access? You can't crime in his in this law during on the that scary. I know that's weird Mueller says he did not charge here because he had to consider the nature and seriousness of the offense. The person's culpability and the probable sentence that would be imposed. So whoever this is, Mueller is telling us that because none of those three things or a combination of them,

because of one of those three things or a combination of them. And he didn't charge based on that. But these redactions could also be someone we never heard of. Sure. You know, Randos pop up every now and then, but it makes a lot of sense that it would be one of these guys that had the hacking information and, wow, what a mind-fuck that has to be. But it could be that third hacker guy that he alluded to that has was never charged that eventually got, was the first person to get into the Hillary stuff. Remember his name again, do you know?

No, they haven't said about him. Okay, okay. He's not been charged with anything. And they don't even, they haven't even admitted he existed. But basically what they said is, you know, how somebody, when he said, if you find the 30,000 emails that are missing and within hour somebody hacked into Hillary's. Right. That was that was that was, it could have been somebody else.

Okay, but yeah, but this is the guy that they, they say, I guess in news articles, they've referred to him, but didn't say his name or in the Mueller report. We have, we have. We have. Oh, so I'm trying to figure out his identity. We don't know it yet, but we don't even know if it's a separate guy.

But the way Mueller said in his report, got it. Because he, Mueller was like, and no one's ever tried to do this before and we don't know how they found out about this, but it sounded like there could be an outstanding Russian indictment that was still an ongoing matter. Okay, that makes sense now, yeah. But we simply don't know. Right. That's interesting beans though.

Yeah, I think it's probably stone. Yeah. And Or a sange and this could be when he's talking about the dissemination thing, you know, how we had all the discussions about a sange shouldn't be charged with the dissemination of hacked materials because he, because that's first amendment and that would infringe on journalists' rights to publish and disseminate stolen materials. Right, so that's one tricky argument and now you have this law where it says it has to be tangible, that's crazy too.

Like, well, and that law is there because it doesn't want want, because if it's not, if it's intangible, if it's thoughts or feelings or words, it's like in sexual property again. It could be infringing on someone's first amendment rights. Bummer. Which is good though, it's good that we have that, because then that allowed like the Pentagon papers to be published in the Washington Post.

Oh nice, yeah. What about the dossier, not so much though, it's just, yeah, same thing, the dossier. Well yeah, those are some great examples then, but in this case, fuck, they abuse that loophole. But I don't think the dossier was stolen. No. But the Pentagon paper sure were.

Yeah. And I'm glad they were. Yeah. And Washington Post said, we're going to publish them. And that is legally no different than a sange publishing the hacked materials from Russia. I can't be about like morality, because I'm so lost to that, right? You know, you do base it on the whole.

There are moralities, but they're very tricky. But then you have judges who have to interpret it, and somebody might not like the way you look and decide that what you did is not moral and what somebody else did. And a human person has to make the application, and that's always dangerous. You're very right, yeah.

And then we take people's beliefs out of it, the better off we are. Yeah, yeah, but God damn there's out of it, the better off we are. Yeah, yeah, but God damn there's some evil in this world. I know. So the dissemination is the problem. Because you start infringing on first amendment when you start trying to prosecute that. And that's why when this Department of Justice under bar decided to do 17 charges, I think,

of espionage against a sange for dissemination of haxistolumaterials. That's dangerous because now if that goes through, I don't think it will, but if that goes through, Trump could charge the Washington Post with espionage. Oh, just based on the law, right, with already exists. Or the precedent of the course, reading of the the law if they prosecuted a sange Successfully for espionage Exactly. So I'm sure you have the right away so to speak you'd have a precedent. Yeah, you have a well You did it over here, mm-hmm

And this is the first time it's been charged that way and so that it would be the first case And there's a couple of things in here in the declinations that Mueller said he didn't charge because no one's ever done that He didn't want to be one's ever done that. He didn't want to be the first. He's being honest though, I appreciate that. Well because he was afraid of unintended consequences that you could have on first amendment rights and we'll get to that.

But just very fascinating stuff because I'm sitting over here like, you're pussy-charging, right? But it's more complicated than that. But you got to think about people who back in the day thought you pussy past the crime bill. Because we got to get these, you know, these gang members behind bars, these dangerous people behind bars.

But it didn't stop to think about the unintended consequences of that. For sure. So this is the kind of the morose purposeful, deliberacy, deliberateness, I guess, of Mueller, where he doesn't just think about, yeah, this is wrong and fucked up, but how could that infringe on other people's rights in the future if the case is decided in my favor? Or even against what I say,

it could set a precedent that has unintended consequences, and he's very careful about doing that. And I think that's why he's so conservative about his prosecutorial decisions. That's why Mueller's Mueller. That's why Mueller's Mueller. And that's why we are our own mullers when it comes to wanting to save ourselves from this crazy wreck. That's right. Really, all Mueller ended up being here was just a note taker.

And a law abiding citizen? Yeah, he just ended up being like, I'm gonna get everybody's evidence while it's still fresh and everything, and I'm gonna put all together, and y'all fuck with it. And we're just picking up the pieces now, yeah. Yeah, so he was just really a gatherer and a presenter of what went down. Nice.

While it was still fresh in people's heads, and I want people to understand that before he testified on Thursday, because I don't think he's gonna give you anything that you haven't heard. All right, that on to page 180 and the Russian government outreach and contacts. And this was the long part, right? This was the long cold winter of our discontent. And we know no one was charged here. He really, he reiterates that he uncovered evidence in numerous links between the Trump campaign and Russia, evidence of numerous links between get the collusion, but he did

not pursue charges with the exception of phara violations against man-affording gates and for not registering his foreign lobbyists for Ukraine. But one of the interactions, the June 9th 2016 meeting, implicates an additional body of law, the campaign finance statutes, but before I get to this, it just occurred to me. I haven't seen Vanderswan's name in here. Yeah, maybe that's intentional. And he was charged.

Yes, he went to jail for like a hot five minutes. 30 days, I think, and then deported, and for not failing to register as a foreign agent. Yeah, do you think he might be cooperating? He did cooperate. And maybe gave all he could, so in this case, where is he now? Well, he's in wherever he came from, Switzerland, Sweden, something like that.

Yeah, yeah. So, what do you think he might have not been included in ideas? No. But curious. Yeah, just dawned on me. Yeah. Because they said, you know, this is the dec declination and prosecution conclusions. And so why is he not in here?

Because here we have Manafort and Gates with Farah. And there was a charge for Vandersworn because he conspired with Manafort and Gates with Scadden and Arps to write that white washed report justifying the imprisonment of Temeschenko, which is Yana Kovitch's Opposition in Ukraine and So that he was part of that whole thing. He failed to register to foreign agent, but he's not mentioned in here Very interesting. Hmm. Maybe he maybe Molloy will bring him up on Wednesday

I've the testimony. I don't know. He's not. Maybe he just wasn't important. I, I, you know, put him in jail. He had his own episode of Lohser. Yeah. And they, and they, you know, they mentioned Pignetto and he was a bit guy. A bit guy.

You know, yeah. Very interesting. I'm really hoping that when Muller says he won't go beyond his report, people like Vanners 1 will still be within that, you know, sphere, because he was arrested and not many people were. So that seems significant. Okay, looking at it up, he's he's mentioned one time way back in the report, we mentioned him earlier when we were talking about Kalimnick and Manafort and Hawker and

Vanders 1 and the DMI, they worked on the report for the Ukrainian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, right? Yeah. And that, and but he's not mentioning the conclusion. Yeah, in the definition of prosecution. Only 140 characters. I just couldn't get it all in there. Maybe there's one.

It's a long name. Maybe you thought he wasn't important enough or something. Very interesting. But they specifically say, um, the only charges we pursued here in the Russian government outreach and contacts were phara violations against man-affording gates for not registering as lobbyists for Ukraine, which is, and Vanderswan would fit nicely right in that sentence. Exactly. Yeah. So he's not lying. He's omitting

and I'm not sure why. Or maybe it's just not important. He thought he's just kind of a side, dude. Yeah, a little side piece important, he thought, he's just kind of a side dude. Yeah, a little side piece. But he did give a lot of information on gates. Yeah, and he's got that slick hair. It's memorable. He's very tall and... Yeah, Linky.

Norwegian looking. He's not like a tall, glass of water, what would he be like? I don't know, dry eyes. Just... This is dry eyes. Good for you. Nitrous oxide.

Anyway, one of the interactions, the June 9th 2016 meeting implicates an additional body of law. And that's campaign finance statutes. Schemes, quote, Schemes involving the solicitation of recitive assistance from foreign sources raise difficult statutory and constitutional questions. As explained below, the office evaluated these questions in connection with the June 9th meeting and

redacted for harm to an ongoing matter. Mueller ultimately concluded that even if Mueller could win on the principle of the legal questions, a prosecution would encounter difficulties proving the campaign officials or individuals connected to the campaign willfully violated the law. So this is the part about junior being too stupid to know. Right. And while we have heard that ignorance of the law is no excuse to violate campaign finance laws, you do need to know you're violating the law and you have to be able to prove it. Yeah, this is where I think those lawyers come back into play. I think they are dumb,

but I think the lawyers help guide at them. Someone smarter has to be responsible for them, coincidental. Oh, how they know. Yeah, hitting the right law with the right excuse. Well, Mueller actually explains in here why he thinks, it's not just on the surface that he thinks Trump Jr. is stupid. He actually has reasons that he thinks that Trump Jr. didn't think he was breaking the law.

OK, what are those reasons? I'll tell you, here, it's interesting. But it has to do with the fact that they didn't try real hard to hide it until a year later. Okay, that's fair. On to the middle of page 180 where Mueller addresses the potential coordination conspiracy and collusion, here Mueller reiterates, again, that he didn't examine the Russian contacts with the Trump campaign under the rubric of collusion, but rather through the lens of criminal conspiracy.

And not only that, he now acknowledges the word collude appears in Rosenstein's August 2nd memo outlining the scope of Mueller's charge. At Mueller's scope, basically. It's the Rosenstein said, you can look at Manafort for crimes of collusion and we all went, oh, so collusions are crimes? Yeah, that's confusing.

And collusions also, he, Mueller says it appeared in a lot of public reporting, as well as in some antitrust law. And we're going to get into that, we got into that with the Aasha Rangapa during our live show in Philadelphia last night about that. And so, and you know, if you listen to the episode that comes out Sunday, you'll get to hear that. So we discussed the use of the words crimes of collusion in that memo. And we concluded early on when that memo came out that if the public got hold of it, a redacted version of it, that the attorney general

was using it, if he was, it must mean collusions to crime somehow. But after Mueller's report was released, we learned about communications between Rosenstein and Trump, where Rosenstein assured Trump he could land this plane in reference to the Mueller investigation. And in that light, I personally have to question Rosenstein's motives here. Using confusing language is a well-known and widely used Russian active measure called Reflexive Control. Seth Abramson addresses this vehemently in his Curative Reporting, and as have we, and

Asha Rangapa, as I mentioned. And this concerns me immensely. And as far as the usage in antitrust law, I'm assuming that that's in reference to price fixing. Antitrust laws are about limiting monopolies and price fixing within an industry. So for example, if all the airlines got together and said, nobody charged less than $500 and we can all charge what we want, that's collusion. Exactly. But in finance, you know, it's the only place where it has teeth really. It seems like they knew they were like kind of like Hansel and Gretel just leading them into the crime

they wanted them to investigate. Yeah, and Mueller has said there's no art of collusion in the art of law, or he used the term art and I love that. But I'm like, that's very art of you. For such a straight ahead guy, but it does show up, the word does show up in antitrust laws. And Mueller brings that up.

He says even so antitrust laws, even though Trump says it all the time, even though Rosenstein said it all the time, there's no such thing, guys, to stop. Yeah. And he's very adamant about it. So because he knows, I think, that it's being utilized in an active measures type way. Yeah. So Mueller says, despite the word being used in those antitrust laws, by the media administration, Rosenstein, collusion is not a specific offensive theory,

or theory of liability, nor is it a term of art. That's what he says, a term of art, and federal criminal law. I want a painting of that. I want to make a song or an album with that title. So for those reasons, Mueller set out to determine if the numerous contacts between the Russians and the Trump campaign could trigger liability for the crime of conspiracy, way harder to prove.

So here's the official declination language. The investigation did not establish that contacts described in volume 1, section 4, Supra, amounted to an agreement to commit any substantive violation of federal criminal law, including foreign influence and campaign finance laws, both of which to discuss further below. The office therefore did not charge any individual associate with the Trump campaign with conspiracy to commit a federal offence arising from Russia contacts either under a specific statute or under Section 371's offense clause.

So that's the language from the report. Nice. And I hope, Mueller doesn't read that because it's boring as shit. Yeah, I don't think he does that because he might. I don't think the American public needs to hear that. Not at all. Although I just made you listen to it. I'm going to say in that voice is actually pretty entertaining though.

Exactly. But it's an important piece to understand why he didn't do this. And then he goes into detail. So Mueller didn't charge anyone with Section 371's defraud clause, meaning he didn't charge anyone with obstructing or interfering with a lawful function of a government agency. And finally, Mueller didn't identify evidence that any campaign official knowingly or willfully conspired to defraud the United States based on the Russia-related contacts. So basically, he's just saying, they were all bunched dumb fucks who didn't realize what was happening.

Yeah, or they lied, you know, which I didn't have. Yes, or I didn't have. I wasn't able to establish enough key pieces of evidence because they lied or destroyed the evidence or used encryption or messaging apps. So you're the president, you can get your story straight before anything happens. You can pause the Mueller report and get your yeah. Encryption or encrypted messaging apps. Yeah, they're all it's shitty. Section two on page 181 covers the Farrah considerations. He then defines the law, which says you can't act as an agent of a foreign government without telling the attorney general. It says without telling the AG, with you have to tell me.

You have to report to me. And then the act doesn't have to be espionage. It can be any type of act, like writing an op-ed for Turkey or whitewashing a report about an imprisoned Ukrainian opposition candidate. Both of which happened. The first by Flynn and the second by Manafort, Vanders 1, Rick Gates. And Greg Craig, he also doesn't mad, I think he mentions him earlier in the report, but not in the... Yeah. It could be one of the harm to the ongoing matters thing, because I think he handed it off.

Okay, okay. Vanders 1 might have been handed off too. Maybe that's why he's not in the report, but he mentions him earlier. Yeah. On the bottom of page 1- he did too. Mueller says, Manifor in Gates engaged in extensive work for the government of Ukraine, specifically Yennechovic, a pro-Russian separatist. Mueller then mentions he found evidence Flynn acted as an agent of Turkey without registering, and he admitted it as part of his cooperation agreement.

And a lot of shit has happened since then including a public reporting that Flynn sent direct Twitter messages to Matt Gates congressman from Florida and once gate because Gates basically one of Fox News and trashed Mueller and then Flynn was like good job keep up the good work bro and then the second time he messaged him direct message Jimmy sent gates of flaggiff and an eagle giff and that was on the day bill bar was appointed oh my gosh after he's cooperating that's really weird so judge solven the judge in flin's case warned flin during a sentencing

hearing last December uh... six months five months before the no four months before the muller report came out uh... they did would not be who've him uh... to be sentenced that day go Go forth and keep cooperating, because even though Mueller recommended zero jail time for Flynn, Sullivan asked Mueller's prosecutors if they'd considered charging him with trees.

And then it didn't seem like he was gonna let him off the hook, right? I was sitting there, do it, do it, charge him, put him in jail, but he's like, go try to cooperate more, get out of my sight, basically. I don't even want to talk to you. Yeah. Go to your room. So you can't sit with us. I don't even want to talk to you. Yeah. Go to your room.

You can't sit with us. You can't sit with us. You can't sit with us. Sullivan would later order the release of a voicemail that Trump's lawyer, John Dowd, who we call Wormtail, left for Flynn's lawyer. So he left this, Dowd left this voicemail for Flynn's lawyer threatening him not to cooperate.

Let me put this in starker terms for you. Not to cooperate with Mueller, and then they dangle to pardon. Like, you know, everybody loves you, bro. It was pretty obvious. And Sullivan then also ordered the transcripts of Flynn's conversations with Kisley Act released, but the government intervened as if to say, you can't release those. Yeah. And so Sullivan conceded. It makes me wonder about

that one harm to an ongoing matter redaction in Mueller's report and more recently Flynn fired his attorneys and has now no longer co-operating witness in the trial of his business partner who was charged with fair violations for the lobbying that he and Flynn did on behalf of Turkey. They wrote that anti-Gulan op-ed. Oh Oh yeah, you had a lot of turkey shenanigans going on with al-Qim al-Tikin, the other guy in the case. And he was supposed to be the star witness, but the prosecution says they can no longer trust Flynn. And since he's no longer a credible witness, he's been pulled from testifying in the key on case, and he's been dubbed a co-conspirator instead of a cooperating witness. Wow. And it's up note that Flynn's new lawyer is an outspoken anti-muller conspiracy theorist. She runs the creeps on a mission website about the Mueller investigation and has publicly called for Flynn to withdraw his guilty plea and for Trump to pardon him. So then we have a very deliberate statement from Mueller on the bottom of page 23 that

says, in particular, the office did not find evidence likely to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that campaign officials such as Paul Manafort, George Papa Dopoulos and Carter Page acted as the agents of the Russian government or at its direction or control or at its request during the relevant time period. So did not find evidence likely to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, meaning there's evidence. So you can send this statement to anyone who says there's zero evidence of coercion. We know for a fact that in order to have probable cause to even open an investigation, you have to have like a 2%. Nice. Like milk. Yep. Yeah. And then for a preponderance of the evidence, it's 50.1% more likely than not. A reasonable doubt is like 99%. Yeah. And Jay, these out in my thing.

Yes. So it's mathematically correct that there is evidence of members of the Trump campaign acting as agents of Russia. And I think Mueller was conservative here, and that's a shame. I mean, he is a Republican, right? He's a, he's a just a conservative dude all around just through and through. I respect it. Yeah.

Finally, Mueller, Mueller says he looked into whether pop it up a list act. It doesn't, is agent of Israel, but did not have evidence beyond a reasonable doubt to charge him. This is the first time we've heard of that. So there's some evidence that popodop was an agent of Israel. Weird, I know.

What the hell? I thought we knew everything about that. Poppy boy in Israel. I knew everything about that guy. I think I have great coffee out there. I don't know. They do, they do. Then the ongoing matter in the footnote is likely to B. Jean-Kien and a chemelp

teak in case I mentioned earlier. It's the only ongoing thing that's going on right now that I can think of. The other footnote is about Carter Page's FISA warrant, and I think Mueller puts this in here because Page's surveillance is one of the cruxes of the argument that is, you know, the deep state, you know, anti-muller guys. And that the molar investigation was illegitimate because the Fisk used Christopher Steele's dossier as part of one of their four applications

for a FISA warrant, which were signed by Rosenstein. And in recent reports, the Inspector General questioned Steele as part of Trump's investigation into the oranges of the investigation which is origins. That's a Trump joke. If you're listening to this 40 years from now, Trump mispronounces words all the time. One of them is origins. He's tried to say it like twice and he kept saying oranges. They're like we don't have an orange anymore. Global warm and

pick it up. Yeah they're like what's an orange? 30 years from now. What is even an orange? I don't even know what that is. I'm gonna have to Google that. What's the orange? 30 years from now. What is even an orange? I even know what that is. I'm going to have to Google that. What's the origins of everything? With my mind. So anyway, that's why we say, we usually replace the word origins with oranges. And of course, anonymous. So anyway, that's Trump's whole thing, right? Trump and Trumpers and Barr, they're like, you know, we have to look at the Investigators and Steel is a dirty dossier. Well, anyway, the Inspector General questioned him, grilled him for 16 hours, steel and found him to be highly credible. Page is a known Russian stooge. He was caught up in Russian spiring twice before. Oh my goodness.

The page is a known Russian stooge. He was caught up in Russian spiring twice before. Oh my goodness. Mueller states that the FISA warns have to meet the probable cause standard, which is much lower than reasonable doubt. Just even if he seems like a creep on a mission, we're gonna turn the tables. I mean, it's just more fitting for him.

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We're on to the bottom of page 183 and the campaign finance violation considerations. So Mueller looked into two instances where the Russians offered dirt on Hillary to help Trump. And that's the June 9th Trump Tower meeting and some other redacted instance. And it's redacted for harm to an ongoing matter. And I wonder if this is Zammel, the side group that offer from the August 3rd Trump Tower meeting, or if it's the Stone WikiLeaks matter, or if it's the inaugural Trump Victory Pack NRA matter?

I don't know what it is. I feel like the victory pack in the NRA and the inaugural hand were handed off. And I know the stone was handed off to DC after his report was concluded. So I don't, this could be a Zammels Eye Group or Stone and then one of the other one was just handed off to somebody else, but weird, right? Yeah. There's so many options. And he only has one redacted thing.

But there is appendix D, which has like, I think it was 15 or 16 ongoing invest like handed off investigations to which we know about the rest are just totally a crap sheet. They're 12, I think are covered up. Mueller then defines all the pertinent laws about how campaigns can't take anything of value from a foreign government and limits the contributions to campaigns. He specifically quotes the law that a violation must be knowing and willful and that's important for what's about to come. And on page 185 we get to the application of the law that a violation must be knowing and willful and that's important for what's about to come.

And on page 185 we get to the application of the law to the Trump Tower meeting and Mueller says they consider charging campaign members but because of the significant burden of proof in campaign finance law, which requires both knowing and willful intent coupled with establishing value of the offered information, Mueller didn't feel he could obtain and sustain a conviction here. So yeah, just didn't have it. Or, you know, I mean, we know what happened, but in order to be charged with it,

it's quite a bit. Yeah, I just think of all the lawyers who made their money just by taking advantage of this fact, and just are like, hey, I can get you off, because we can just make it seem like this wasn't there. It just seems too easy, you know? Yeah, yeah. But we also have to give our love to defense attorneys.

That's true. I am suspicious when it comes to these matters. But you're right, they're great people. Hashtag not all defense lawyers. You're absolutely right. I was thinking about the sketchy people because when we talk about these crimes, I'm like, they were definitely crime-ing

but they were so clever that someone was helping them avoid. One that could have just been legal advisors. You know, they could have just been like secular. You're totally right. Like, you know, pew pew guy, we have blood. Right. Not necessarily or yet, criminal defencillers. Fair enough.

Legal advisors. Yeah, yeah, good point. So Mueller considered whether to offer, Mueller considered whether the offer of dirt from Goldstone to junior established to conspiracy to violate the foreign contributions ban. He says there are reasonable arguments that what was offered was a thing of value, but the office did not obtain admissible evidence that junior acted knowingly and willfully,

with the general knowledge of the illegality beyond a reasonable doubt, and that the government would have had a hard time establishing that the value of what was offered would exceed the threshold for a criminal violation. And on page 186, Mueller tries to explain this and starts out by saying that the law is pretty broad when it talks about things of value. It doesn't have to be money, so he set out to figure if dirt on Hillary in the form of documents and information would constitute a prohibited campaign contribution. So he argues for over a page here, using case law for similar situations to dirt on Hillary or opposition research. And he's trying to find out if it's a thing of value. But then he turns on us,

because it looks like he's going one way, because he's like, well, this is kind of like dirt on Hillary and they said it was a thing of value and this is kind of like opposition research and they said that was a thing of value. Right, setting us up. And then he goes, but you know at the end of the page he says there's never been a judicial decision about voluntary provision of uncompensated opposition research.

A first time decision could have negative implications by either imposing limits on campaign contributions or infringing on first amendment rights. And this is Mueller saying this? I get it. Yep, so he didn't want to be the first. I just think that was passing the buck. You know, someone has to do it clearly, but he's like, I won't be the guy.

I mean, he's human. Yeah, if you're not the guy and this isn't the time, what is exactly, we need a t-shirt for that shit. Right, you know, he's just very conscientious about infringing on somebody's first amendment, right? I get it, it comes from a good place. I just go away from that whole war thing. Yeah, I wish he were more of a martyr, you know,

just follow on the sword, Muller and Kenny. It's a lot of responsibility. It is, and you know, you don't wanna look back or have it known this one tiny decision you made, took the country on a left turn into infringement on phantom misbehave. Yeah, butterfly effect, yeah. for sure. Then the section on willfulness on page 187 where Mueller says, even if the government could prove

that the dirt was a thing of value, Mueller could not provide admissible evidence that would prove the defendant had an understanding that what he was doing was illegal. For these campaign finance violations, the law requires proof that defendants has knowledge of the law. So ignorance of law is an excuse. In this case, in junior, apparently, is ignorant of the law. Okay, let's get a T-shirt of vans. So Mueller would need evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the Trump folks knew they were breaking the law. You'd have to have that evidence that they knew it. And apparently, and this is what I was alluding to

earlier, they didn't try hard enough to cover it up, cover the meeting up. Right. Mueller said, I know they tried to cover it up a year later, a lot, but that only proves they didn't want negative political consequences. And it does not establish that they knew what they were doing at the time was illegal. So you'll see the term, Sienter, used here a lot in the report, and that just means knowledge of wrongness.

Oh, not like a scientist. Nope. And that's a weird concept when you're dealing with privileged or sociopathic people who never think they're doing anything wrong or that the law doesn't apply to them. So how do you prove somebody knows that they're breaking the law

if they think so highly of themselves that they go above the law? Like, are they ever capable of crime in that case? Right. Like, super privileged guys don't think the law applies to them. So how could they ever possibly have a corrupt intent? I think this is how they've been getting away with it. I think we've got to the bottom of privilege. Uh oh.

We figured it out. We should write a book, privilege and law. Why it happened? Why it is what it do. In parenthesis. It's me. But I hope when all this is said it do, but it's easy. But I hope when all this is said and done, we fix the laws. For sure. I don't know how to do that without infringing on people's rights.

You wouldn't sign to law. You're going to break some eggs. You know, maybe put a threshold. If you're worth more than $10 million, they shit, but applies to you. Yes. Why not? Let's try that. Like you don't have to have knowledge of the law if you're super rich in order for me to charge you with a law because you probably don't think law is applied to you anyway. Yeah. Yeah. We need to address privilege with these laws. I don't think we do enough. That's weird. On page 188 and the explanation, I know I probably just violated 10 things of the Constitution so don't at me, but I'm still thinking like, I just thought is a philosophical point.

If you think you're so effing special that the law does not apply to you literally, then how can you ever be proven beyond a reasonable doubt to have willful knowledge of criminal intent? I mean, that's the biggest question of what we're dealing with here, because our president is that person. Yeah, it's strange. On to page 188 and the explanation of why it was difficult to assign value to the dirt on Hillary.

So the value thresholds for the law are $2,000 for a criminal violation, and it has to be over $25,000 worth of whatever for a felony. Mueller also says here that although Dernan Hilary certainly has value, they never got the dirt and while value and conspiracy may well be measured by what they expected to receive, Goldstone's description of what it was wasn't specific enough. And the uncertainty of what was to be delivered is reflected in Jr.''s response if it's what you say, I love it. So for all these reasons. That's deliberate, I don't know.

He's too stupid. So for all these reasons, Mueller did not charge anyone in connection with the June 9th, 2016 Trump Tower meeting. Okay, okay. I give that his hands were tied once again. We had to do something about this though, because gold's known to be a sketchy motherfucker too.

Yeah, it's just weird, right? Yeah. Bottom of page 188, we get to the application of this law, to something redacted for harm to an ongoing matter. And I assume this is where Mueller is applying the campaign finance laws governing foreign contributions, maybe to Roger Stone, maybe to Zammell, maybe to hacked emails, maybe Cygroup Israel,

and maybe that's why they looked into popodopolis as an agent. I don't know. I'm guessing, just throwing stuff out there. That might be what's under the redaction bars. Miller explains why Stone was not charged with a felony because he too is too dumb to know he was breaking the law. And if it is Stone, because on page 190 under willfulness for this redacted guy, or people or lady, under the willfulness section, Mueller says that given what's noted and the redacted box is above, he would have, Mueller would have a substantial barrier to prosecution. And I'm sure this isn't what he means, but it sounds like he's saying stone is substantially

stupid. Yes, another bumper sticker for the win. I just can't help it. It's so angry thinking that in any other case where this was a poor person committing a crime, they can't be too stupid. I've never heard of that working out for a poor person or just someone who's not privileged.

I think those are different kinds of crimes. Like white collar versus blue collar. That's the problem. It's already segregated. Yeah, it is. We just set it up for them. The Mueller report then touches on the First Amendment considerations in regards to the case.

And that may be about the distribution of stolen materials and how that's a First Amendment right. We've talked about this. Like I said, Mueller may have decided here, and I'm guessing because it's already acted and it might not even be about stone and wiki leaks. But Mueller may have decided here, and I'm guessing, because it's already acted, and it might not even be about Stone and WikiLeaks, but Mueller may have decided not to indict a Sons or WikiLeaks or Stone,

so he wouldn't imperil the first amendment rights of legit media outlets, because the law here doesn't put the burden of proving your legitimacy as a media outlet. So there's no definition of a Sons is not a legit media, outlet WikiLeaks is not Washington Post watching the post is all new to the law I get that to yeah, this makes a lot of sense the way Miller spelled it out I also think that since like as far as white collar crime and goes it seems like with Andrew McCabe's book

We got away from that because of terrorism right prosecuting it, but now it seems like why color crimes and terrorism are like Overlapping I wonder if that would be a good reason for them to kind of loop back around and address it more heavily. Maybe. I definitely think we'll have to have a new attorney general. Oh, yeah. To do. If Kamala loses the election, I say, she would be genius,

AG, right? She would. She'd be great. She'd be certainly great. She was great, AG in California. Oh, yeah. She's a good cop. On to page 190, I mean, she's made some mistakes

with all main mistakes. True. We've had discussions about this too. Which AG has not made mistakes? I certainly have. Not a 30 general though, just as me, as myself. Yeah, just human. But you know, she went into a corrupt system

to try to fix it. Yeah. You can't just walk in and have the corruption end with you. There's going to be lap, but overlap corruption. Totally. Obama had the same problem. And you're going to get hit with it. You can't just walk in and have the corruption end with you. There's going to be lap a overlap corruption. Totally. Obama had the same problem. And you're going to get hit with it. Sometimes people are like, Oh, but they should get it. They should be pure because they know it's like no humans are humans. You can't just stop these things because you don't like them anymore because it the butterfly effect. It affects 96 different things. And then you could start a war with Norway and you didn't even realize it, right? I have no idea what it's like to be an AG except the one I am or the president, but every decision has a thousand

Downquences ballot. You know totally consequences. Yeah, like a laser beam effect Trump doesn't care about them This is again, that's just I think this is just more looking forward about not wanting to have unintended consequences negatively impacting the first amendment rights of legitimate media outlets. For sure. What we consider to be legitimate media outlets, because the law doesn't recognize what is not. Interesting. On to page 191, about who lied and who obstructed.

And as in the previous section, he begins with the governing law, which people refer to as a 1,000-1 violation. That's lying. He also defines perjury, section 1623, and the main difference is whether or not you're under oath. Yeah, sorry, that 1,000-1 violations just reminds me of like Dalmatian. 101 Dalmatian.

Yeah. 1,000-1 violation. Can you like a movie poster? Somebody please. Asha Rangapa and a big spotted fur coat. Yes. Oh, I love it. With the white and the black hair.

Don't shy to me, Dalmatian. I'll pull that off. That'd be great. An obstruction of justice is the third thing here. And he lays out that there's three elements of obstruction of justice, which include you have to have an obstructive act, then you have to have some sort of nexus between the act and an official proceeding, nexus meaning a connection between what you've done and an official proceeding, and then criminal intent.

And that will become really important in volume two. Because even though that intent is really hard to prove, I think eight out of the 10 instances of obstruction of justice in volume two, he was able to clearly establish intent. And Mueller even laid out the three things in whether or not each of those things rose to the level of criminality.

That's one of the posts that Trump being like investigated after being a president, he's always on camera. There was so much evidence obstructing, but behind the scenes during the campaign, there was less, I mean, there was attention, but I wasn't paying attention to him. So yeah, and if he keeps obstructing, past January 20th, 2020, I think your record.

Well, then if he's reelected, the statute of limitations doesn't, you know, that clock doesn't start ticking until you're done climbing. Oh. So he would have to stop obstructing justice, meaning stop stonewalling the investigations by Congress this January in order to let

the, in order to have the five year statute of limitation laps until he's out of office and could be charged with it. He must be thinking about that. Someone had to have told him. If I thought of it, he should know it. Yeah, yeah. He has an Indian, I'm many ways, but that's just got a lot of lawyers around him. Yeah, totally. Anyway, that whole obstruction thing and intent is going to be really important in volume two.

It's going to be really important during the Mueller testimony next Wednesdays. Yes. So keep an eye out for those three things when you watch that testimony. And again, those are an obstructive act and then some sort of connection between the act and an official proceeding and criminal intent or corrupt intent. Then we get to the application of the laws and molar starts with pop it up. He lied, lied about meeting with Mifsod and Paul and Skaya and Timahifee, and he lied about the extent and import of his chats with Mifsood, and he lied about saying that he met Polon Skaya before he joined the campaign and when he met her after and he minimized the extent of their communications.

Mosh says these lies impeded his investigation by hindering the investigator's ability to challenge Mifsood when he lied to them. So he was charged, he pleaded guilty, he went to jail for 14 days, he paid a $9,500 fine. Yeah, yeah, that was that. Yep, then on to the next guy who was redacted for privacy. And the information is redacted for grand jury material. I don't know who the person is, but they have a very short name. Oh, okay.

Yes. Shorter than Michael Flynn, shorter than Jeff Sessions, the redacton bar. I would say a muller crossword, right? Yeah, it's like a film in the blank. shorter than Michael Flynn, shorter than Jeff Sessions, the Red Action Bar, it's like a muller crossword, right? Yeah, it's like a film The Blank. I love it. So that's redacted. Then there's Michael Flynn.

He made two false statements to the FBI, first about his chats with Kizliak about sanctions and the response to Russian sanctions. And second about his calls to Russia about the UN Council vote on Israeli settlements. Specifically, he said he only asked how the countries were voting. He wasn't trying to get him to change their vote. So, Mueller charged him.

He pleaded guilty and admitted to falsifying his fairer documents, and he's awaiting sentencing. Of course, we know he's no longer cooperating witness. He's opened himself up to being charged with fairer violations if the government thinks it's worth pursuing. Judge Sullivan has issued another order in this case this week because Flynn's new anti-muller lawyers, remember the crazy lady? Paula. She says she's not getting the documents they need fast enough from Flynn's former attorneys

that come into Burlington, guys are covering Tim Burlington. I don't know. Yeah, Burlington factory, yes. Burlington Coat Factory lawyers. So Judge Sullivan is making all the lawyers come into the next hearing and he's getting a legal professional ethics person from the District of Columbia Bar Association to lecture Flynn's lawyers on what it means to be a professional lawyer. It's like really subtle, very passive aggressive.

Right, like do what he says. All right, you're not going to get your documents soon enough. Well, we need to go apparently go back to law school and he's bringing in a person to me. He's like, please. So funny. And I think we learned recently that the head of the DC

Bar Association might actually be a former Covington Burlington Coat Factory lawyer. Which would be funny, because they'd be like, extreme, like, yeah. Hey, Bob, hey, Steve. That is great. And we get to Michael Cohen. And as we know, Cohen testified to the Hipsy and the Sissy. That's the short terms for the house permanent select

committee on intelligence, Hipsy, and Senate select committee on intelligence, Sissy. And this is one of the great arguments as to why it's gif and not gif. Because everybody says it has to be a hard G because G stands for graphics. But we don't base our pronunciation of acronyms on the underlying words. Damn, dropping knowledge.

Hipsy and Sissy, okay. There's definitely hard season there for committee. I could be defined by both those things. I mean, I could get a Sissy. Hipsy Sissy. So anyway, before he appeared, Cohen sent a letter to them with saying, here's what I'm going to testify to. And they had three big problems.

First, he said Trump Tower Project ended January 2017. Lie. Then he said he never agreed to travel to Russia as part of the project. Lie. And then he said he did not recall any Russian contacts about the project. Lie.

So his testimony was consistent with those statements, the bullshit statements he made. And he also told Mueller's office the same lies. So his testimony was consistent with those statements, the bullshit statements he made. And he also told Mueller's office the same lies. So Mueller charged him and he pleaded guilty to a single count and Mueller recommended zero jail time. But the Southern District of New York, it was handling the Hush Money Payments case and the campaign finance violation case was not so lenient and they were pretty angry at him and sentenced him to three years. And he's in jail right now serving time for crimes that he committed at the direction of individual one, which is Trump.

Yeah. Just today, the judge in the Southern District of New York that was looking into the Trump organizations' involvement in the cover-up released 895 pages of unredacted Cohen warrant materials. We didn't learn, or there was a lot of it was stuff we knew because they were only kind of redacted, but there was a 19 page chunk that was redacted in those warrants when they were released last year. Yeah, and we can see them now.

We saw them today. Oh. And basically, we learned that Trump pecker from the inquire, Dylan Howard, the legal council from the inquire, Michael Cohen and Keith Davidson, the lawyer for Keramick Dougal in Stormy Daniel, not PD. We're all in a constant communication. It'd be funny if he was the one. Every SNS gets just walks in like, hey, fuck it's you up. Anyway, they were all in constant communication about the Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal hush money payments. There's flurry of communications, activities

after that pussy tape came out, the Billy Bush thing. Yeah, the access Hollywood tape. Yeah, the access Hollywood tape. That's what pussy tape is better. We also learned that we were right when we guessed that in April of 2018 Keith Davidson and Michael Cohen were in cahoots on these hush money payments scheme payoff things because this new unsealed document show that it was the guys from the inquirer that introduced the two and said, hey, I got a business opportunity for you to Keith Davidson, I'll turn it over to Cohen. And so they worked together to get these to get this hush money payment crazy.

I'm now hoping New York Attorney General picks up this case since the Fed seemed to be done with it. Though the investigation ended in what I consider to be strange circumstances, as Robert Kuzami, the prosecutor who led the Kohn investigation, stepped down right after Bar was confirmed. And although there were several leads that they were exploring that came out of the more recent Kohn testimony where he spilled the beans, they just stopped investigating after Bar got there five months ago. It went dark.

I think this pissed off the judge, this federal judge today and that's why he felt it necessary to release all this previously redacted Cohen warrant information. And I really hope to James picks it up and prosecutes it. She can't prosecute campaign finance, federal campaign finance laws because those are federal, but you can certainly prosecute the Trump organization for falsifying their business records by saying they were reimbursing Cohen for legal services and not for his illegal campaign. Do she totally needs to alley hoop this? She should.

Balls in her cord? It is, come on, Tish. Get it. There's gotta be other crimes involved in there that need to be pursued and looked at within the Trump organization. Yeah, we could start a Tishy road, too. She really gets serious about it.

Tishy, she has so many things she could do. Yes, absolutely. Then there's another redacted person with harm to an ongoing matter, who also has a short name. Maybe it's Roger Stone. Then on the bottom of page 197, it's Jeff Sessions' turn. This is where Mueller decided he didn't have sufficient evidence that Sessions knowingly lied, because Sessions said his understanding of all the times he was asked if he had contacts with Russians he thought the questioner was asking if he met with Russians to exchange campaign information. I still think that's bullshit, but if Mueller says he can't obtain a sustained conviction he's smarter than me so I defer.

On to the final section about other folks interviewed and this is kind of a weird vague section. He says he says we interviewed other people and thought about their lies and their omissions, but we didn't charge anyone else other than the folks listed here sometimes because of evidentiary hurdles, other times because they didn't lie at all. But then there appear to be a list of three people

they thought about charging with lying, but ultimately didn't, but they're all redacted for personal privacy. I was thinking one of them might be junior, but we have no evidence that more interviewed junior. Like, when you have to interview him to determine that he was too stupid to know that the Trump Tower meeting was against the law?

Maybe, or you could just like watch him. Totally. You just, you know, just keep an eye on him. I just hear the words that come out of his mouth. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So, yeah, just. That's how you know. That's how you know.

That's how you know. Um, and then, and we, because we know we lie to Congress about the timeline of the Trump town, Moscow, but there's no mention of it that we can see. Perhaps one day we'll find out, or maybe junior did speak with Mueller, and we don't know. And that's what this grand jury reduction is. Um, in fact, my beans, I think are on Trump, junior having testified to the grand jury, but pleaded to fifth. Um, because Mueller mentions in the beginning that it wasn't just encrypted apps and encrypted

emails and lies that made it hard for him to establish evidence, but he mentioned people pleading the fifth. And we don't have a list of who all did it. So yeah, fair game. Because that's all grand jury material. Can you plead to fifth the grand jury? Okay, this makes a lot more sense now. So, and that's what's under one of those redacted considerations on page 199, I think. And maybe it says, junior pleaded the fifth

so we were unable to charge him with lying. Um, yeah. So, I still don't know why he wasn't charged with lying to Congress. I suppose it's because- I guess Congress would have to charge him, right? Yeah, they'd have to make a criminal referral to the Department of Justice,

and we know who works there. We know who's there. Yeah, it just, it seems like obstruction, which we'll get into extensively in volume two, which starts next Thursday. And that's the day after Mueller testifies to the public. But the day before we travel to Chicago for our live show there, and the same week we premier daily beans. That's our new daily news pod for your morning commute. Yes, very busy. So guys, that is the declinations and the criminal inclinations section of the report. I appreciate the way he did that. I always appreciate the way Mueller writes, but that was a really good conclusion little summary there. Yeah, there's a couple things I disagree with, but like it's fair. Yeah, you know, like I I disagree with, but like... It's fair, yeah.

You know, like I said, I'm a little probably less conservative, but I would probably be less careful with the law. Yeah, that's probably what it boils down to is that it's why you're a great podcaster. It's because you get to be, you know, you get to see my radical self, right? Make conjecture without hurting people's experience. Exactly. It's free speech. You do much more good this way, but probably...

He said to me But probably waste the effort for me to be AG of a podcast instead of AG of the country. Exactly. I love this universe that we're in. Yeah. Well, aside from the obvious. But yeah, Mueller seemed like he was stuck between like a stone and a heart place. And it's just like he can't do anything. He just is. He's had to tell us what it is. That's really him. Yeah. He's like, here's what I could do. Here's what I couldn't do. And then yeah, you're just like you said through the mic to congress. Yep go and they need to pick that shit up Yeah, which they're trying but there's so much in fighting and now this stuff with a center back like It's just they're distracted and Pelosi seems like to try to keep him on track and it's I hope they don't fuck up the questioning

Yeah, I really really hope so I think Trump is hoping that all of this will throw them off He like anger will take over them or something questioning. Actually, I really, really hope so. I think Trump is hoping that all of this will throw them off. He'd like anger will take over them or something. Yeah. And right now, again, if you're listening to this in the future, to give you a little bit of what's going on right now, this weekend, Trump tweeted some racist tweets about for Congresswoman of color. And that blew up in his face. And then he doubled down on it it and said they should go back where they come from.

And then in his rally last night, while we were on stage, at his rally last night, while we were performing in Philly, he was talking about El Han Omar and the crowd started chanting send her back, not home, send her back, yep. And that was really surreal to see even as we're living through it. And I can't imagine how it must feel for her. But yeah, it all seems like he's trying to distract from the countless things that are coming up for him. The Mueller testimony, the Epstein case. Yeah, he just Epstein today was refused bail. He's probably going to die in jail now. Yes. As he should.

He's going to be in jail until his trial, and then he will probably be convicted. Yeah. First face is up to 45 years. Yeah. So that's happening. And that's way overdue. So. And I had a history teacher in high school who always told me that, you know, you follow these things linearly. But it's important to mention what's going on at the time. And I just want to kind of paint it up, paint the tiny picture about some of the things

that are going on in the face of Mueller's testimony next week. It's a big, big week for our country. I mean, I know it's weird to say like as we're living it. And then today Trump comes on TV and tries to try to distance themselves from his crowd saying, I didn't chant it with them. Right. And then he said, well, if you heard, I cut him off.

I immediately started talking. And the actual official count of the chant was he let him chant for 15 seconds until they stopped. Wow. They died down. And then he continued. Yeah. At the clip I watched, he didn't seem like he was trying to shut anybody up. So he was looking around, but that looked on his face. Taking it in. Yep, basking in it.

Hatred. And the trolls are out, man, the races are out, and they have been, but now he really got them around up. So, scary times. But I will say, my final thought on everything on this week is that that face app, I don't know if you notice a lot of people have these old Russian old Russian old app. Yeah, the Russians did it.

Yeah, so there's just app circulating right now where people are uploading selfies and it makes them look old and it's really realistic and yeah, the Russians apparently are behind it. Yeah, and not just the Russians, Vexelberg. Oh, didn't know that. Yeah, okay. And Vexelberg is the guy who donated $500,000 to essential consulting. Mm-hmm.

The slogan is, it's fucking essential. The official slogan now. Cohen's slash money fund for paying to buy access to President Trump, AT&T put money in there. Some. The Chinese company. The Chinese company. ZTE. Yeah.

And so a lot of different companies threw money into that. A pharmaceutical company did. But I don't think ZTE did. Oh, these had a separate access. It was a South Korean aerospace company. Okay, okay. I'm bad.

But yeah, they got access differently. Mm-hmm. Probably through Ivanka, but yeah. Anywhere through Kushner, because he was trying to buddy up with on-bong bank to get them to the office building. So anyway, that was that's the Vexelberg. He's that guy. Interesting.

It's very strange to see them still actively infiltrating our country. And like, this was an app that I saw on every single Friend of mine's like page like just there. They're getting to us in ways that we're not expecting for some reason Yeah, and people misunderstand too. They go oh, so they've got my picture big deal No, they have every single thing in your Facebook profile going back to going by to going back to when you started having Facebook And every app that's ever connected to Facebook where you've signed in with Facebook,

they have all that those data too. That's a very good point. Also, pictures have a lot of data in them so they can see from your picture where you took it where you were like all these information about your location, like it's very scary how much data can be in a photograph alone. Just in the photograph.

Like if you get a few messages, that's all they've got. Yeah, no, don't open up Russian email pictures. Like don't even look at the picture. It's like we can get the ring. Yeah, but no, I mean seriously, I think about every time you've continued with Facebook or signed in with Facebook or took a quiz or anything. They know where you are too.

The little dots they use when they connect to. Yeah, they can see where you are within a five minute span. It's creepy. And now MIFSID won't have to get those 50 million user data profile information from Facebook, which Facebook just got fined by the Federal Trade Commission five billion dollars, but no rules that they have to follow. And they're trying to make their own money now,

so I think they're trying to figure out a way around that. It's crazy. They're gonna call it the Libra, I think, is a name of their currency. Weird shit, weird times. But anyways, yeah, just, I would say if you did make you download the app and delete it, but also just be mindful of what they would use it for.

Like when you see these posts come around and campaign season election. Something targeted at you. Yeah, just think about it more than you probably normally would. They probably are trying to brainwash you. Yeah. They have your data, they have your information, they know what your likes and the dislikes are,

and they know what you're passionate about. And that's the big thing, and that's why they use these wedge issues like guns and LGBTQ rights and Black Lives Matter. And a new action matter, because they, an immigration, because they know that these are where people's fears and passions really exist, these are the wedge issues, and they'll find you, and they'll say, oh, this person gets really riled up when you mention, you know, something negative about transgender people or something negative about immigrants.

And so I'm going to do this and I'm going to connect it with a candidate so that they do the same thing. Or feed you lies about something that you're passionate about and you're so passionate that you have. What do they call it? Confirmation bias. Absolutely. So just be aware of that app that's going around.

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And we missed Jordan today. She's out doing a thing, but we'll have her back. Yes, yes. She's doing very important quality time stuff. Yes, so she'll be back. We importante. Are we doing one tomorrow?

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We're at this airport. And yeah, so no, but in any case, on the daily beans, we did mention that we probably wouldn't be putting out daily updates for our patrons on what Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday. Yeah, so Friday is a may-be, but we'll be back for the daily beans for officially Monday. Yeah, and the daily beans officially premieres on Monday more. It's worth the wait if it has to be, but we'll see what we can do. Yeah, and that's also just for patrons.

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