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Episode Date: July 23, 2018

MAIN - This week, Jordan covers the Butina indictment/Stone & Nastya Rybka, Jaleesa gives an update and backstory on Kushner/Cambridge Analytica and AG breaks down the Putin Summit. Also, we have interviews with Trae Crowder, Greg Olear, Robert Maguire, and Amaar Campa-Najjar for our "Flip It Blue" segment. Enjoy!

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and autocracy Now today. So to be clear Mr. Trump has no financial relationships with any Russian oligarchs. That's what he said. That's what I said. That's obviously what our position is. I'm not aware of any of those activities. I have been called a surrogate at a time, a two, in that campaign. And I didn't have, not have, communications

with the Russians. What do I have to get involved with Putin for having nothing to do with Putin? I've never spoken to him. I don't know anything about a mother than he will respect me. Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find

the 30,000 emails that are missing. So it is political. You're a communist. No, Mr. Green. Communism is just a red herring. Like all members of the oldest profession, I'm a capitalist. Hello, and welcome to Muller She Wrote, the leading podcast about all things Muller. I am your anonymous host, A.G.

I work high up in Trump's executive branch, so I have to remain anonymous. So I don't violate the hatch act because unlike other people, I have a fix. With me, as always, it'salisa Johnson, and Jordan Coburn, today on a very special mother she wrote, we are going to be talking to you for about 17 hours, I think. This week's news is absolutely ridiculous. The amount of it is, and also I decided

last week before 8 million pieces of news dropped, that we would do an episode where we gave the background to everything. I've noticed a lot of people just joining in and tweeting like, I have no idea what's going on, but this is fantastic. Meaning, like when I say, you know, smash in the crotch act, or if I don't explain why I go by AG or, you know, if nobody knows anything, they're kind of, they don't have the background.

So, right. I kind of wanted to give all that today. That's why I text that. It is. There you go. It's a very special Mueller she wrote. Somebody gets caught with a joint in their math book and we're all going to have problems.

Anyway, let's see here. The news is it's going to start coming pretty fast at us. I don't think it's going to slow down for a while here. Jordan this week is going to bring us up to speed on the Roger Stone chapter And she'll have an update on Nastya Rupka sex coach Extraordinary that she's the one that caught Darapaska on video briefing the prime minister of Russia on Manafort's meeting with the undieted Russians by a constant in Kalimnik if you remember all that

Jalisa you have some news on the DNC's lawsuit against Kushner and the Russian Federation. Oh, yes. What? I know, I love it. And there's ties to Watergate with that. Not directly, but this is kind of what happened in Watergate while the committee was investing Watergate. Yeah.

Like the DNC was just busy suing the Republicans. Oh, I can't hear about that. Yeah. So I think this is kind of part of that strategy. And they won, right? Like after they won all that money, Yeah. They won a few. Yeah, they won all the money. It was a big game show. They came on down. It was awesome. Yes. And you're also gonna give us an update on Cambridge Analytica because new news came out on them this week. I'm gonna go over everything in the world. No, I'm gonna go over the indictment of Maria Bhutna this week. And you guys this week on the show we have liberal redneck

Trey Crowder who is one of my heroes. We have Dark Money Tracker from OpenSecrets.org and contributor to CNN and PR Washington Post in the New York Times Robert McGuire. He's brilliant to talk to. We have best-selling author of Dirty Rubles and founding editor of the weeklings. His name is Greg Olyar. Plus, we have our special new fantasy indictment league. We're going to announce for our patrons where you can actually play along

on our secret Facebook group, which I'm sure is currently being monitored by the Kremlin probably. I think Zuckerberg's given us up. Oh, you know it, but it's totally fine. And yeah, so we're gonna to have an actual fantasy indictment League and I just need to express that it's not gambling. Okay. Yes. It you will win something. It might be worth

money, but it's not gambling. I just have to say that for the So stick around for that. It's going to be fun. And then finally in our flip at blue segment, we have an interview with a mara company jar. He's the Democratic candidate for Congress running against Duncan Hunter in California's 50th, right here in our backyard in East County in San Diego. So, we have a lot to get to this week, so let's just kick it off with just the facts. Alright, on Monday morning, we learned that Maria Bhutna was indicted, under seal, and arrested over the weekend using a motion filed by the Department of Justice lawyers. This indictment is the first to mention Americans that participated in a conspiracy to affect American political policy, knowingly, and in my opinion, signals the beginning

of the end for culpable US citizens and the collusion crimes of the Mueller investigation. I'll be going over the Bhutna indictment later in the show. But you guys, this is it's knocking on the door now. Mm-hmm. Amen. So I want to say. Let us pray. Two Mueller. So we've been following the NRA and its mysterious $30 million in donations to Trump and the GOP for seven months now. And in a recent episode, we reported that Mueller likely has a list of all the NRA dark money donors,

because even though they aren't required to report their donor should the public, they have to report them to the IRS, and Mueller can obtain a copy of that list without notifying the NRA. So while the public does not know where the $30 million from the NRA donated to Republicans and Trump came from, by law, they had to report those donors to the IRS. Well, this week, on the same day, Bhutanah was arrested. The Treasury, under Trump, announced that it is no longer going to require the NRA, or any 501C3 or C6, I think, to report their dark money donors. And here to talk about that with us today, is dark money tracker for opensecrets.org and regular contributor to NPR, CNN, the Washington Post, and the New

York Times, Robert McGuire. Robert, welcome to Mueller, she wrote. Thanks for having me. Yeah, we're really glad to have you here. And I'm really interested in your thoughts on the Treasury, no longer requiring the NRA to report its dark money donors to the IRS. And if this is just the NRA, or if it's any 501C3. Well, it's any 501c3? Well, it's any 501c4.

So 501c3 are charities and educational institutions. They still have to report their donors. It's really the groups that we're referring to when we talk about dark money groups, which are 501c4 social welfare organizations and 501c6 trade associations like the Chamber of Commerce, for example. And what's important to understand here is that the IRS was already a toothless watchdog.

It was already asleep at the switch, and it has taken the move to proactively make itself also a deaf and blind watchdog. So what we have here is an instance where it doesn't really change much for those of us who are trying to root out who's behind these dark money groups because we weren't getting that information to begin with. But now what we have, the position we find ourselves in

is that we know the RS is going to do, even less than it already was doing. To give you an example, we track hundreds of dark money groups that have spent hundreds of millions of dollars in elections over the last decade, and we know of one group that the RSS has actually penalized as revoked its exempt status over its political activity. So now the IRS is not even going to have all the tools it needs. Should it decide to ramp up any sort of enforcement of existing rules, whether in response to the fact that there is bipartisan agreement that we don't want foreign money in our elections, or if, say, after the midterms,

there are, you know, their budget is increased, for example, or they are new rules are put in place. And so it doesn't apply just to the NRA. But the NRA is just a perfect example, or at least the situation that the NRA finds itself in right now, is a perfect example of why the IRS should have this information. And the fact that they announced this change the day that Betino was arrested was particularly ironic because the IRA is just being the, thea is just being drawn further and further into this investigation

of foreign meddling in our election. And we have one of the primary agencies that's charged with enforcing the rules, not, you know, saying that they're not going to get the information that they need to enforce those rules. Okay, so if I understand correctly, you're saying the IRS was really kind of already kind of a flaccid reporting organization before, but now that they don't have to report this at all, then in situations of investigations where the FBI or the Department of Justice or special counsel like Robert Mueller could have gone in and gotten this list because

they were required to report it, that will no longer be available to those kind of investigations. Right, so they'll have to keep the documents internally. And so an investigator will eventually be able to get it, but it creates another obstacle to getting that information. And also in addition to that, you know, the NRA, we don't have access to their books, but we know as an open secrets, we track all facets of their publicly available data. And we know routinely, they have, um, shoddly reported information that, uh, and what I'm getting out here is that it suggests that they're not great at keeping records. And so if there's, if there's even

less of a requirement to report these kind of things, they might be even worse at keeping them internally. Yeah, and, and not only that, but, um, you know, Senator Wyden since January has been writing letters back and forth to the Treasury and the NRA to try to get this information with no luck at all. They've just kind of said, I think the first time they replied with, here's our rules for accepting foreign donations, and then the second time they replied with, no, you know, everything we don't have any. But then the third time, I think they said they got about $2,300 from 23 different Russians who were just paying dues but nothing about the $30 million.

So even when we do have people trying to or attempting to get these lists from the NRA, either they like you said don't have the records because they aren't keeping them or they're very resistant in handing them over even to members of Congress. So I don't see how, like I feel like the only way that we were possibly able to get this information without the NRA knowing we were looking for it was for Mueller to just go in and get it from the IRS, and that just won't be available anymore. Right. And I would point out, too, that requiring the group itself to designate who is a foreign donor and who isn't can potentially miss the point because anyone who's sort of kept up with these investigations know that there

are people who can be used by foreign governments without knowing it. And that extends to the NRA. It is entirely possible that a Russian entity formed, for example, a limited liability corporation in Delaware called Americans for the Second Amendment, filled that LLC with, you know, Russian money, or even set up two LLCs and sort of filtered it through the two LLCs to add a second level of opacity. And then given that money to the NRA, and if the NRA didn't do due diligence

of who is this, or even if the LLC lied about whose money it is, then the NRA wouldn't even know that it's getting foreign money. There's just, there's ways that the money could have gotten in there that the NRA can't be not only trusted to honestly say where it's coming from, but they might not actually even know in some instances where their own revenues are coming from. We've seen that a lot in this investigation as it's unfolded with the use of Shell companies, Sipri at Shell companies, British Virgin Islands, Shell companies, setting up American setting up LLCs in the United States and filtering that money to them through real estate deals or however they go about creating those, like you said, those multiple steps

to create opacity that you know, just as you said, we have no idea where they could have come from. I think Muller can probably trace a lot of that, but without that initial list to begin with, we're kind of cut off at the knees. Right, right. And this is sort of, this sort of gets at the theme of the Trump era because, you know,

we're a transparency organization. We've been around for 35 years. We've been tracking dark money extensively for about six and a half years now. And everything that we've been tracking up to the beginning of the Trump administration seems quaint. We were already tracking sort of rife corruption in terms of people circumventing decades-old disclosure rules that had been repeatedly upheld by the Supreme Court, but they could easily get around them by essentially, you know, creatively defining their activities to the IRS. But now we have this whole other level of, you know, possible large scale foreign influence, possible

payments, you know, the payments to LLCs from corporations, some foreign corporations, to buy access to the administration through people close to it. There's this whole new, and not even to mention presidential profiteering off of his properties, the fact that his own party has bought into this idea that it is in their best interest to line the president's pockets by holding fundraisers and other events at his DC hotel and things like this. This is all unprecedented.

This is, you might find one off instances of these kinds of things over the last several decades, but the fact that it is happening in the open, and it is, in some instances, totally untraceable, is something that people should really be alarmed about. And I think it's sometimes it feels like we're getting used to it. And I always just want to say, this is not normal. Yeah, and I think you naming your organization Open Secrets

was a little prescient at the time, considering everything sort of being done out in the open now, and just kind of right in front of our faces. What would you recommend, like, what do we do to stop this, or do we just need to flip Congress and have new rules put in place for tracking this money? Or, I mean, how do we even go about this considering, like you said, all the levels of opacity that are created through all these different, you know, money laundering organizations and shell companies and LLCs, etc. What can we do about it as citizens? You know, this is where I get to the part where we are a both a nonpartisan transparency

organization, but we are also an advocacy organization. So we think there should be more transparency. We think there are ways to do it. We don't advocate for specific bills. What I'll say in light of that is that we have another, you know, we have three equal branches of government for a reason. And what is kind of alarming is the fact that it seems like we've already passed several red lines where it's not a part of an issue anymore to say, for example, we don't want foreign money in our elections. We don't want foreign meddling in our elections. seem like one of the things that will cause legislative action on this is flipping at least one of two houses in Congress.

So for example, Congress, the tax committees in Congress have the power to obtain and make public, anyone's tax returns, including the presidents. the power to obtain and make public anyone's tax returns, including the presidents. There is that prospect of forcing what has up to till recently been routine transparency on the part of the president, even though it's involuntary. Is that the committee in Congress

that is where the ranking minority member is Maxine Waters? Is that the committee you're talking about? I believe, but I'm not 100% sure. Okay. Sorry, go ahead. I didn't mean interrupt you there. Yeah.

And so, you know, the thing is, is that, and what I would point to with dark money, the sort of the regular dark money, what we're talking about with the NRA and other 501C4 organizations, there are rules on the books that the IRS could enforce tomorrow if they wanted to. The problem is, is that the IRS budget has been drained almost every year for the last more than a decade.

So you had instances where when there was the what's referred to as the IRS scandal a few years ago, you had news stories showing that the people whose job it is in the IRS to evaluate applications for exempt status, didn't even know what the rules were for political activity of a nonprofit. Because as the IRS's budget was drained, they cut back on training of staff. They cut back on monitoring of nonprofit groups because they were a revenue collection

agency. They diverted more and more funds towards the actual revenue collection part and away from nonprofits. So there are things like better funding for the IRS, better training for the IRS. They could be done tomorrow to make sure that these groups don't get away with these kinds of things as easily as they do. But in the Senate in particular,

that's not going to happen as long as Mitch McConnell is Senate Majority Leader. A lot of people don't know that if there's one through line in Mitch McConnell's career, it is an abhorrence for campaign finance laws and disclosure. He does not like limits, he does not like disclosure in general. And so any bill that would have an impact on that is not going to come to the floor

as long as he's majority leader. So it is hard to see in this current Congress how any of these issues are resolved. Now could there be any lawsuits filed against this decision that might end up resulting in a stay on this new Treasury policy, or is it just kind of nothing we can do about it, until, unless Congress acts? Yeah, I would say I haven't heard of anyone floating that idea. And I feel like I would have it that was a possibility. And I think a part of it is that this is not the biggest issue.

So I don't wanna downplay the fact that the RS isn't going to require this information to be reported to them, but the other issue is that a lot of people are gonna say, look, the RS is already terrible at what it does. Why take the time with the lawsuit, let's focus on maybe taking back one House of Congress or something like that.

We're not the organization that would be filing that kind of lawsuit. And I think that there's so many stuff that could be that is the potential impetus for a lawsuit right now that that might not be at the top of people's list. Yeah, that makes sense. It's seemingly not really a priority considering all the other civil rights and human rights and All humans violations that are happening as you said out in the open Kind of right under our noses And that has to be interesting as it as an organization for transparency

To have it kind of just be all out there. It's it's kind of stunning to have it kind of just be all out there, it's kind of stunning. That's what's been so strange about this. I mean, we have long been a very soft spoken, very concerned about maintaining our long established reputation as a non-partisan organization, which we still are. I want to be very clear about this.

If you were from any other organization and you wanted to talk about Democratic dark money, which there is, I would gladly talk about it. But we have never, you know, usually what we're criticizing is sort of a corruption of the system. A corruption, or the way that the system is set up corrupts all politicians in different ways. But now what we're seeing is a very specific corruption of a single person or a single family who happens to be the president of the United States.

And at every turn, you know, you think these are norms that have been sort of followed by presidents of both parties for a long time. And we're seeing that, you know, criticism of the fact that this president is not following them, become a partisan criticism. It used to be accepted by Republicans and Democrats, for example, that the president releases his tax returns. And he's not doing it right now.

And you see the outcry about it. It gradually has become a democratic rallying cry. And that is not good. Like that is not something that should become partisan. That should be something that we all want our public servants to follow. And it's really worrisome when you start to see those kinds of shifts. You know, the same is true for You know, the same is true for the president's properties, where, I mean, we have a page called all the president's profiting, and you can look at it,

and what you see is that political committees, Republican candidates, Republican leadership packs, Republican outside groups, did not spend money at Trump properties, you know, more than, say, 10 or 20,000 per cycle, until Donald Trump became the nominee and then the president of the United States. At which point, they began pouring money into his properties. That is not normal.

Like, and that should not be a partisan thing. That is, it's solid our country, the fact that it is particularly knowing that that's the tip of the iceberg, knowing that if you're a foreign government, you can come and stay there and there's no paper trail. But you can let the president know as the Malaysians did when they came and they've rented out, I think almost an entire floor of the Trump hotel,

because they're under investigation by the Department of Justice for possible money laundering that also possibly included Trump and Kushner properties. So I mean, sorry, I mean, it just drives me insane that like these are the things that would not have been partisan just a few years ago. But if it had been Obama, we would have been beaten the drum just as loud as we are now. And the fact that it's become partisan

is just, it's incredibly frustrating. Yeah, it's pretty mind-blowing. And we appreciate you and your organization tracking this dark money. You do it for both sides. I'm definitely going to check out that presidential profiting part on your page. It's opensecrets.org. I really want to thank you for joining us today. I'm talking about this. It's something that really should just be another check box on the list of reasons to vote this November. So I appreciate your time, Robert. Thank you. Happy to talk to you. Have a good one. You too. Have a good day.

Hi. You guys I really liked talking to Robert McGuire. He is a smart guy and I hope that we have him on again soon because he just he does all this dark money tracking and it's Fascinating what he comes up with and he's completely nonpartisan. So that's the Lord's work. It is, I appreciate it. You're very churchy today. I know, that is true. What is happening?

Hey, man, Lord's work. You made a Lord open. For each. Come to me in a dream. Also, on Monday, Judge Ellis postponed a Manafort hearing from last Tuesday to July 23rd, which is today the day you're hearing this, which is not usual behavior for him. So it's set off a lot of rumors that Manafort might be flipping and trying to cooperate

and prosecution needed more time to work out a plea deal with him, but we found out from an insider that Ellis actually canceled all of his hearings that day. And so he probably just had to go to the dentist or something. We will find out today Monday the day that this airs though, we'll find out. And also this week in Manafort News, Amy, Judge Jackson, if you're nasty, denied Manafort's motion to dismiss evidence seized during the no-knock raid on his home in Alexandria. That was probably the last chance saloon for Manafort. All of his motions have been denied. He's like batting a thousand emotions.

Like, I think there's a good nine or ten of them. I haven't even counted them all, but I know that every time one comes up, we'll report that his motions are denied. There was a redacted name in the motion, which I think, and we here at Muller Shee wrote, our speculating is Davis. He's a former campaign advisor for John McCain

and Mitt Romney among others. And he worked with Manafort and Yanukovych as did Tad Devine, who's Bernie Sanders campaigned advisors. Also of note, Moller filed a motion to grant use immunity to five witnesses under seal for the other Manafort trial that's going to start this Wednesday, like day after tomorrow, if you're listening to this. So the request notes that the identities of these five witnesses be kept under seal

until they're called to testify. So we won't even know who they are until they call their names in court. And then finally, this past week, Judge Ellis denied Manafort's request for a change of venue. And we speculated about this last week. Jordan and I were talking about it a little bit. We've got a back and forth from episode 36.

So let's listen to that clip really quick. Yeah, but I guess Sal Exandry went for Hillary for like 70 to 30 and then Roanoke where he wants to go went for Trump like 68 to 32 or something like that. Right, but yeah, that's the process of picking a jury to make one that like they got it, Manafort. And it's not like the news because he's pissed about the news the media leaks about his case and it's like it's not like it just leaked to Alexandria the whole country got a hold of that information dude yeah I don't know where you're gonna go right and it's not detrimental to your case anyway so I don't think Ellis will grant him that yeah I trust him we'll see so we had

said that Ellis would say no to a change of venue because the news was not only reported to Alexandria and not Rowanoke, right? Like news comes out across the country and Jordan said you're not allowed to have a jury that has half Democrats and half Republicans and Ellis actually said that. We called it. Ellis said Manafort does not get to have an ignorant jury Nor does he get one with as many Republicans as Democrats and moreover, than the nationwide coverage of the case would make any move ineffectual. So high five, you guys, we called it. We should be judges. I think so. Yes. As long as you can have wine on the stand. Wine judges. Oh, I like judges. No, no, wine whining except. Yeah. Oh, dude We could put out a really great thing on the CW. Yeah, a pinch of sound. Yeah, no whining. Dude, we have friends at the CW

We were hanging out with them yesterday. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, well great. We'll just do it We had proofs on proofs is on the C-Dubs Maybe we know maybe we could just start a you know I'm sick of your whining and then just drink wine and judge people a mock try Oh, that'd be so fun. Yes mockery trial. We could have Colin mockery on it. Democracy. No, no, no. Oh my goodness You anyway So we're gonna finish up this trial is starting day after tomorrow you guys and it's in open court

Okay, there's no cameras allowed, but it's open court. It's open to the public for Yeah, let's do it word. I'm gonna be there. I'm gonna be in DC in First week August. Oh Ready for work dude. That is our Coachella seriously We'll go and wearing flower crowns, festival tickets, and we've got like 9,000 wristbands on. Yeah, great. With a Fitbit. So I can count the steps.

You dress like Lady Liberty. You know. You'd be blind though. Can you cut out eye holes when you're lady Liberty? I'm not sure. I would run into everything. Well, if we don't do it, one of our listeners has to.

Yes, somebody has to go for us. But yeah, we're going to wrap up the MSW Book Club coverage of a higher loyalty this week. This is the last chapter. And then starting next week, we're going to be covering the Manafort trial in its place. But they're going to be free episodes. We're not going to require you to be a patron

to listen to the Manafort trial. And, you know, I have really have no idea what those episodes are going to look like, yet, I've just decided that this is something that I want to cover. Yeah. And it's probably going to be too much to stick in this main episode, like I'm trying to do right now. So look for that next week. And so as I said, it's going to be held in open court. All the information will be available to the public. So yeah, buckle up for that. In other Manafort news in Mananigans, Mueller released a list of about 500 evidence exhibits. And it's amazing, you guys. Did you see

this? He lists every single piece of evidence he's putting into the court, like every exhibit of evidence, 500 of them. It includes that Manafort and Gates worked for seven years as foreign lobbyists without registering with Pharah. It includes that Manifort and Gates worked for seven years as foreign lobbyists without registering with FARA. It shows big loans made and then forgiven, which is an old money laundering trick, and Muller has the letters of forgiveness. It includes a full list of offshore accounts. There's a million of them used to divide and then wander money or divide laundered money, I should say. And it has a list of emails implicating others,

including Manafort's wife. She may be one of the five witnesses offered immunity, by the way. I was thinking about this, like we could always guess what five witnesses are gonna be offered immunity, but we'll figure it out. It'll come out soon enough so I hate to guess and be wrong.

But I bet his wife is one of them. And I bet Davis of Davis Manafort, the McCain aid is another one. Yeah. And I bet Todd Devine is one of them. That makes sense if it's Davis. That's Bernie's campaign advisor. I'd like to think Bernie had no idea, but you know,

we'll see. As I've said before, whatever Mueller finds, I'm down with. Yeah. Not down with, but I'll accept it. I'll accept his truth. Yeah, yeah, for sure. I'm sorry, can you clarify one more time? What?

That they had no idea of what explicitly? The Bernie campaign. Well, you don't know. Ah. But Todd Devine, who's Bernie, one of seniors, one of seniors, Bernie campaign advisors, one of Bernie's senior campaign advisors, worked with Man Manafort on Yanukovych's campaign. When he found out Yanukovych was gonna overthrow to Mishanko and it was looking to be like he was an asshole. He quit And then went to work for Bernie. Now a lot of people are you know, positing that

Bernie was in Gahoots with Russia to try to win to try to beat Hillary. Bernie was in Gahoot's with Russia to try to win, to try to beat Hillary. What makes more sense to me is that Russia knew that if they divided the Democratic electorate between Bernie and Hillary, they would have a better chance of electing Trump. Yeah. So they probably either, either it's just a coincidence or they put Tad divine in there to help Bernie be awesome, which I don't know if he didn't have any help because he's pretty awesome fella. True.

But that was their goal, was to really, because that's where Bernie Bros came from. I don't know any actual asshole Bernie supporters. Bernie or bus people, I mean, I think they're assholes when they, well, I guess I shouldn't say, but those could be fake Russians. Oh, I didn't consider that. Yeah, so we have to. We wanted it a really extreme. Yeah, the Bernie Bros, the fucking assholes, I didn't consider that. Yeah. So we have to.

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We have to. We have to. We have to. We have to. We have to. We have to. We have to. We have to. That's the difference between me and Trump supporters. Because I think no matter what he says about Trump, they'll be like, no, it's a lie. Yeah, you're cognitive dissonances. I'm much more mature level. I was on MPR yesterday.

It's you, dude. Yeah. There's a reason I had something smart in my brain. Yeah, no. She listens to the MPR. I was like, all the time when she's driving. That's awesome. That's all I listen to.

Really? I don't drive, so I don't. I like how you thought the MPR. The MPR. It's like the reverse, like how old people call out the MTV and the Facebook You're smoking the Facebook and then like now young people are calling old people stuff the NPR Yeah, it's kind of a nice reversal. I didn't really said that Anyway, yeah, I think that these three of these five witnesses offered immunity I think are gonna be Davis. I think it's gonna be Tad Divine and I think it's going to be Man of Fords wife.

And I got a put beans on that. I got a great tweet. Let me see if I can find some poop weasel. I love poop weasel. Yeah. Follow poop weasel. Poop weasel. And it makes you happy every time you see the handle.

And there's a weasel. It's a cute little ferrisol. I love handle. And there's a weasel. It's a cute little ferrisol. I love it. It's got a cape. I appreciate it. So yeah, at Poop underscore weasel, it says, if your show wasn't going to run long before, now you've got a squeezing Carter Page FISA warrants and Paul Manafort's gang bangs.

Now, that's a funny tweet. And let me explain to you what Paul Manafort's gang bangs are about. There's emails uncovered in this evidence trail between his wife and his daughters about how his wife was super sad and upset because Manafort would have sex orges and force her to watch. Huh. And the daughters are like, you need to leave him.

And she's like, well, he's busy now. Wait, I'm sorry. She is a cook. Not exactly. No, she has to do it. Yeah. Oh, she was forced to. Yeah, she had to watch the Man of Fort have orgies.

Got it, got it, got it. I thought you were saying that she was upset. He wouldn't let her watch the orgies. No, she was sad because they freak. He's a sex addict and they forced her to. Got it. That's awful and horrible. Yeah.

So that's one aspect of this 500 evidence thing that came out. And let's see. There was also a list of businesses that Manifort bought luxury goods and services from. And many of them are mafia owned. That's a money laundering trick. It has payoffs to lawmen and law women. And then five years of books certified by the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network, all

of that is in this. And that's only like seven of the 500 things. So all in all, I mean, if we get serious about it, Manifort is... it. Manafort is. Fuuuut. Fuuut. Fuuut. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. How's that? I liked it. Yeah. I changed a little bit every week. Sorry. We do. We do. We either get worse or better. Yeah. And you know what's great is that there's no consistency. Yeah. It's like a Georgia O'Keefe painting. Yeah. It is. That's the surprise. We need a man of kazoo that we're gonna be tuned with. Yeah, but that is based on your humming though. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. All right. I'll take a kazoo and be flat, please. No, you won't. Remember what I said, cognitive dissonance? Good times, man. Good times. Moving on.

A story came out this week that there was actually a series of meetings in the Seychelles. Did you guys hear about this? We knew about the main one, right? That was one with Eric Prince, Nader, who was representing the UAE in Saudi Arabia, Inbisa, and Inbisa. When I say Inbisa, an Inbisa, I'm talking, Muhammad bin Salman and the other guy, the Crown princes of Saudi Arabia and UAE United Air Remarants respectively. I keep using. Thank you for the reminder.

Yeah, I keep using all these UAE embassies and you're like, I just tuned in this week when he fucking talking to us. Anyway, so you know, it was Prince and him and Demetri of this Russian guy and they were talking about sending up a back channel and lifting sanctions in Russia. And we learned this week there was actually a series of meetings attended by more Russians about lifting sanctions on Russia to facilitate trade. It's unclear exactly how many Russians, but reports point to more than 10, including a sanctioned oligarch named Scotch.

Here he goes down into my belly, Scotchy Scotch, Scotch. And sources close to the Mueller probe say that he is Mueller is now focusing on all of these meetings as a group. Other people on the island during that time include Alexander Moskovich, a Trump financier with Bayrock, that's who that guy is. And Abdul Rahman Khalid bin Mufasa. He's the son of a Saudi bank chair. That sounds like a song. Son of a Saudi bank chair. Yeah, I'm digging the Mufasa name.

Yeah. Actually, it might be Mufus. Aw. Yeah, sorry. Okay. Is that Mufasa? Then, of course, on Monday, we had what's being referred to as the treason summit.

Yay! I had the distinct pleasure of talking to Liberal Redneck, Tray Crouter, about that this week. We did an interview via cell phone, so apologize for the audio, but let's hear that clip. With us today, a very special guest, one of my personal favorites, he's a comedian, known for his Liberal Redneck online series. You might have even seen him on real time with Bill Mar, which is one of my dreams come true. So please welcome today, Trey

Crouter is with us. Hey, thanks for having me. It's great to be here. Yeah, no problem. We are so excited that you're here. I love your online series and I did catch you on Bill Mar. That was so great. Well, thank you. I appreciate it. That was a dream come true for me as well. I've been watching real-time pretty much since it came on. Going back to one high school days for me. I've been a fan of the show for a long time. So yeah, that was awesome, awesome opportunity to get. Yeah, I bet they're a great staff too. I imagine the writers there are just wonderful people

and that probably everybody in that production is just awesome to work with. So congratulations on that. Yeah, it's, I've done it. Two times now and they really have a, I mean, yeah, it's unsurprising. It's been, you know, a loud show for a long time, but it's definitely a well-willed machine that the producers run over there. And I do not have the writers. Anytime I've been on afterwards, I was in the up talking to the writers, the buzz, like in any kind of after party

or hanging around thinking, all the other political figures and stuff. I ended up with the comedy people. You know, actually a buddy of mine is kind of making a big matter. He's a writer for that show now. So the last time I was on, I got to, you know, hang out with him and the rest of the scribes afterwards

because those are my people. But yeah, I love everybody over there. Great, that's so awesome. Yeah, the scribes, definitely. Yeah, and I've heard and seen a lot of their writers around doing stuff. So it's congratulations's um, congratulations to them for getting where they're at and I'm happy that you got to be on there and I look

forward to you being on there again. Today I wanted to talk to you a little bit about uh, this week and in fact it's today that we're actually recording this call that Trump had his little trees in summit uh, over with Putin and Helsinki and I think the whole world just watched that with their just jaws on the floor. I couldn't believe it today. Did you see any of it? Yeah, I've been watching coverage of it for CNN or on CNN for the better part of the day today and it's weird. I go back and forth because I mean I'm with you and I'm with you and most of the rest of the world and as far as I can't believe this is happening throughout large parts of it. But then another part of

my brain is like, well why not? Like this is all totally completely in Trump's wheelhouse. Like, on the one hand, it even has a gregious and ridiculous and absurd as the whole situation is. It's almost like what else do we expect from this dude at this point, you know, like I thought it was all very but classic Trump, you know, as terrible as that fact may be. Yeah, I was hoping at least though that there would have been a moment where he didn't completely sell out the entire intelligence community and pretty much the United States

and our elections, like to Putin right in front of him on a world stage. I like I wish there was some sort of meeting that they had had beforehand where he's like, look, I got a hand you're asked to you today and I don't want to but like they're going to make me if I don't it's going to look suspicious. So I got to do it this like not even that kind of shallow bullshit arrangement was made. He just went out and just basically just handed us over. Do you know what I mean? I felt scared and violated. Yeah, I liked the part where one of the journalists

and the attendance asked him, and I liked the way he asked it to, because I felt like he was asking there, like this particular journalist in this moment was like the voice of so many people, myself, included in watching it, and he just asked him, he was like, the President Trump, are you ready to hold Russia accountable for, well, anything? And that's how he asked was, you know, it's all exasperated like that. Like anything at all.

And then Trump started out of answer by saying, yeah, yes, but then immediately pivoted to, I hold this vote for countable. Both countries have made a lot of mistakes. Both countries have been foolish in both countries. And during that part, I immediately, for me at least, I immediately took me back to right after a Charlottesville, Virginia last year,

you know, when there were no parties like marching up there and a person, you know, a person died while up there and they asked him, you know, a person died while up there and they asked him about the things that movement and are those types of protests and activities they sent the same thing then when on one side you have Nazis marching for conspiracy. It's that homicidal Nazis marching for conspiracy strategies. And on the other side are counter protesters and his answer at that same time was the same thing.

Well, you know, with both sides, there's bad eggs on both sides. You can't really let me deploy in one particular direction. That's exactly what I thought of today, when he answered that question about Russia, the way that he did. And that goes like what I was saying about. It's hard to be surprised by any of it, even as terrifying as it all is, because there's nothing I would could pass this guy when it comes to, well, anything, frankly. So, yeah, and also, I will say that, you know, if they throw on stuff that I have to need so far today, but they've done this before

but like so many republicans you know have you cried this uh... this summit his performance at it i'm not that it's the most disgraceful perform public performance by u.s. president maybe ever and all this type of stuff, and that it's a detriment to national security and the entire American government and everything, and that's coming from all sides. And you'd like to think that that means that they'll actually do something about it at this point,

but I have less than zero fights that that will happen. They're all going to ring their hands and master tape, but how disappointed they are, but nothing at all will happen. Like, you know, two weeks ago, you know, it'll be something else. I hope that I'm wrong, but that's definitely where I stay about it. Yeah, and I can't understand the allegiance. I mean, they got their tax cuts. I don't understand what they're holding on to Trump for. The only thing that explains it is that they are somehow complicit in the Russian conspiracy in my mind. Yeah, I feel like there's got to be a lot of them at the higher levels than also that know

that their names stand to get, or that they stand to get implicated in some fashion in any time that's downfall because I agree with you. I don't, outside of that, I don't understand it either. I've thought for a long time that if you're on the right, currently, like within the actual reaches of our government, political sphere, if you're on the right at present, you'd be best served by, you know, distancing yourself as much as possible from Trump or being one of the ones that actively goes against him because I just cannot imagine that history is going to favor anybody that was too closely aligned with Trump eventually would solve the dust

settled. So to me, it seems like the most politically astute move would be to you know set yourself in opposition to them but you know apparently not because if that was the case I mean you think they'd be doing it better not so I don't know they put party over country all the time so you know who knows what them yeah Yeah, and the astonishing thing is with the 12 indictments, we received the day before he left for Helsinki, it outlined it in detail. And you know, of course, we had the 13 Russians from the previous indictment. And I think we talked about this on our last show, the only thing

he should have gone over to Russia for was to detain and return 25 Russians to the Mueller probe for trial to stand trial in the United States. But to recommend that Putin recommended making the Mueller probe a joint effort and trump agreed and thought it was a great idea just to hear that is bone chilling and say it's it's laughable and terrifying it's the weirdest feeling i have right now i don't

know how to explain it yeah not high laughable and terrifying i think it's a pretty athletic drop it that's how i have felt, you know, for the better part of his information. So I made, yeah, tremendously appropriate. I was, I want to, you know, I realize you're asking the questions for you on who you must find, but I want to ask myself, just to just cross in my mind, because in watching this with all this unfold,

and with a lot of things which are up, I actually go back and forth between two possibilities. There's a lot more than just two, but I'm saying at certain times, it feels like he's just straight up at this point, almost a Russian agent. Or like he's compromised, you know, clearly whether that's because Putin has stuff on him or whatever they say to them, Putin's pocket.

Then other times, though, I think that it's simpler than that and dumber than that, and it's more a matter of just, he gets in a room with, that he thinks that Putin is his boy and that Putin is like the only person that really gets what it's like for him and like him and Putin get together and commiserate about, you know, journalists or the date, state, or fake news and all this type of stuff and that, you know, Putin for the case you read, he's manipulating all purpose, you know, pooping for the KGB agent, he's manipulating

all the focus, you know, that he's doing. But the truck just eats all that up and just believes it, you know, and thinks that pooping is his buddy and the only one that really gets him and they're in this together. And it's just, you know, a much less malicious, but arguably even more terrifying because of the incompetence involved. All right, well, this has been so awesome, Trey Crouter. Thanks for joining us today. You're on tour right now, right? You want to tell us about that? Yeah, I tour with, I've been on tour for a little over two years with two other progressive Southern Canadians. I try out there on more of us, two of my good buddies. There's Cory Ryan Forster and Drew Morgan, hilarious guys, and from the same call office, maybe,

so if you like my videos or what I'm about, you'll like them too, and the three of us, two of the country doing stand-up, and we have been all over the country and continue to do so, so we have a website for that. It's called Well Red Comedy and it's spelled R-E-D. It's like well redneck. It's a part you get a well red comedy.com And you can see all the dates and where we're going and get tickets on there and come see us live out there in America It's a good time. so yeah, come say yes.

All right, well you heard it here. Definitely check out WellRedComedy, that's R-E-D. WellRedComedy.com, get all the tour information. You can also check out his Liberal Redneck Online series and check them out on Bill and Mar. Go and watch those past episodes. They're really great. They're always fun to watch.

So again, Trey Crowder, thank you so much for joining us this week. Well thank you pleasure was my I always have to continue right. I have a good week. I love him so much you guys. His voice I could sleep to it. So good. Yeah he's really really awesome and after we talked to Trey, there was this crazy amount of fallout from the summit in Helsinki, including a reversal by Trump, who came out on TV, saying he did agree with the intelligence community that Russia interfered in our elections.

But he added, and it could have been others, he always does that, even though that was not in his notes, a photographer got a snap shot of his notes in that meeting. And he added that and he added no collusion and he spelled collusion wrong. Which is fantastic. No collusion with one L. So he said he does agree with the intelligence community, Russia interfered in our elections, and it could have been others.

And it's just insane. But the crux of his defense was that what he said in Helsinki, when he said he had no reason to believe Russia would have interfered, that he actually meant he had no reason to believe Russia wouldn't have interfered. And that bullshit quickly escalated into all kinds of mockery from the internet, including my favorite a Richard Mark's tweet saying, I wouldn't be right here waiting for you. And Queen saying, we meant to say we won't rock you. And just a litany of all sorts of famous people reversing their positions. It was hilarious. Do you have other examples of this? Yeah, I saw one of people just retitling song titles. One was, I wouldn't die for you by prints. Another was, I wouldn't walk 500 miles by the proclaimer.

I probably wouldn't do that anyway. Yeah. And finally, I wouldn't do anything for love. Me love. I was just thinking about that one. I was like, what they continue with, I wouldn't do anything for love, but I would do that. Yeah, yeah, okay.

You have to go that other way, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. but I would do that. Yeah, yeah, okay. You have to go that other way, right? Yeah, yeah. But it would do that. I saw a good meme that was a picture. It was Homer Simpson when he has the angel and the devil on his shoulders and the angel saying, just tell the truth and ask forgiveness and the devil saying, say you meant to say

wouldn't instead of what. Yeah. Oh, it's so fantastic. Yeah, there was all sorts of examples of that. And it was, like they have all these, what they call montages out there. Yeah, I think late night did one. I think Colbert did one.

Anyway, I think late night is Colbert. Yeah, the late show? Oh no, the tonight show. Anyway, they're also similar. There's fellows. Yeah, yeah. Why are they taking naming everything basically the same company?

That's a night show. Tonight, late night, late night, the tonight. Yeah, yeah. The night late talk shows. Dark, it's dark out and they're talking. This is going to be my show. It's dark and we're talking. We like that.

With AG. I would have dark people talking. You can do whatever you want, girl. Anyway, then this was really funny. Later on during a press conference, Trump was asked again if he thought Russia was interfering. And he said, thank you, no. And Sarah Sanders had to backtrack and say he wasn't saying no to her question, but he was saying no to taking any more questions. So like, she's like, did Russia do this? And he's like, thank you. No, no. And she's like, did you just tell me no? No. And then and then everyone gets ushered out of the room,

but then it stops for a minute and it would, you know, I would believe him for half a second if he didn't continue answering questions after that. He kept answering questions. So, so for Sarah Sanders to say, he said, no, thank you because he was done answering questions, but then he went on to answer quite like fuck you. I don't believe your face. I don't believe anything they say now. Not that I did before, but like extra now. We found out the DNC has been trying to serve Kushner and Jalisa is going to go over that later in the show and it's kind of funny. And there's a lot of Roger Stone news this week including his AID Andrew Miller meeting with Miller Miller and a judge and a man

Hatton Madam being subpoenaed this week. Jordan's going to cover that for us later. I'm excited to talk about her. Juicy. Juicy. Juicy. Juicy. Yeah, really interesting that lady. Yeah, she was in, she was part of the, she I think, you know what, I can't remember. She's done a lot. Oh, the spitzer? Elliott spitzer? Elliott spitzer scandal?

Yeah, I think that was her, right? I don't know. I didn't see that, but that would not be surprising. Yeah, I think she was the one. It's funny for her to be called a sex scandal. It is. Like Anthony Weiner. Exactly. That is just... You were made to be a predator.

Yeah, which is so sad. They probably never stood a chance. But how can you not send dick pics to somebody if you're named Anthony Weiner? I wouldn't especially not do it. Yeah, you probably should be extra careful. Yeah. You probably grew up like I'd be very careful about showing people my winner. Remove all phallic things from your life. That's my middle name.

No, it's your first name. I need to be careful. Also, Wednesday, the House Appropriations Committee refused to fund election security. And this is unbelievable. They voted to not continue funding election security for states. But the Senate did vote 98-0 to not allow Trump to hand Americans over to Russia for questioning, which was shockingly, he was shockingly considering that. I'm going to say why do we have to vote? According to the White House press secretary, Sarah Fuckface, some of the people being considered to be handed over were Mike McFall, who we read about him in Russian roulette. He's the old Russian ambassador under Obama. Bill Browder, we know about him from the Magnetsk Act.

And if you need some background on the Magnetsk Act, I just don't have time this episode. Just go listen to episode two. Episode two, number two. And sorry about it sounded like I recorded it in my bathroom because I did. about it sounded like it recorded in my bathroom because I did. So Bill Browder. And then others on the list were Winer. He was a former State Department operative connected to Christopher Steele that had been investigating Russian State operatives since the 90s. And a guy named Kramer. He's the guy who got the copy of the dossier for McCain who delivered it to Woods, who gave it, who gave it to McCain, who then promptly turned it over to Jim Comey. Who, by the way, tweeted this week that everyone should vote for Democrats in November. Right. Did you see that?

Yeah. And I had a chunt. I had a chomygasm. Mm-hmm. Just a chomegasm. Chomegasm. Just a chomegasm. I like it.

And Justice Boiner. And it was fantastic. He was on Weight Weight, don't tell me this week. It was adorable. That sounds adorable. I don't want to. It was funny because if you listen to Wait-wait-wait-don't-tell me they do a quiz like it's called That's Not My Job. They

do it for famous people and they asked him questions about loyalty programs, which I thought was hilarious. That's cute. And they asked him one question. I can't remember the question. I can't remember the multiple choice, but when he when Komi guessed, he said, I would, I would say, A, and, and they go, and the audience was like, Oh, no, and Peter's, uh, Segal, he's the host. He's like, ah, and he's like, I mean, I meant to say, I wouldn't say A. And it was just so fantastic. Everybody gave him a standing ovation, and they were making fun of the fact that he kind of re-we're gonna reopen this quiz. It was just really good. It's beautiful. It's my favorite kind of stuff right there.

If you get a chance to listen to it, you should listen to it. It's very endearing and you can find it and put it in our newsletter. Oh, it would be great. Yeah. If you get the newsletter, that would be awesome. Patreon's. Do it. Then on Wednesday, we found out what I considered to be the biggest news of the week. This is the biggest news of the week. The New York Times reported that Trump was shown proof of the Russian election attack during his icy brief two weeks prior to his inauguration, who was given raw evidence of emails showing Putin had directed the attack. We knew from Russian roulette, from reading that book and covering that, that Obama was shown this intel,

but we didn't know until this week that Trump had been shown it to. And this is amazing because now, even if you're a Trump support, like all of us are like, it doesn't matter, he was meddling anyway, he knew about everything. But even if you're a Trump supporter saying he didn't have anything to do with the Russians helping him, like it was just people around him and he didn't know. Even if that's your position, you can no longer say Trump didn't know. He was shown evidence and continued to cover for Russia this whole time. He's been lying to everyone. And we all knew, like I said, he knew about Russian interference because we're operating on the conjecture that he participated in it. But even without that, at the very least, he knew about the attack.

And not only has he done nothing about it, he's actively been covering it up. And lots of people have been speculating on who burned the source. Some say Trump gave it up, others say the IC did it, some blame the New York Times. I reserve judgment on this for the time being because we knew about this when it was reported in Russian roulette. So the source to me and my mind was burned a while ago. But I had the pleasure of speaking to best-selling author Greg Olyar about this reporting. So let's take a listen to that interview.

So joining us today to talk about the icy briefing of Donald Trump on Russian interference two weeks prior to his inauguration is LA Times best-selling author, the founding editor of the weeklings and author of the book Dirty Rubles, an introduction to Trump Russia, is Greg Oliar. Welcome, Greg, how are you? Hi, thanks so much for having me, how's it going? It's going great, we really appreciate you being here today. And you and I hit email back and forth a bit about the news that dropped this week, that

Trump was briefed about the Russian cyber attack weeks before he took office can you tell us uh... what's important about this story and maybe the implications i think there's a couple of a couple of points that like to make the first is that this isn't a surprise and we knew he was briefed even as it was happening at the time the thing that happened this week is that we got the full details of the briefing uh... and especially the source that possibly was burned which i i suppose

will talk about in a minute that this is something that we've known obviously that they came they gave him a briefing about russia and then he came out and sort of uh... obfuscated and and has he's want to do and uh... kind of made it seem like it wasn't russia uh... for reasons that that we can suspect so that i mean that's the first point uh...

the second point is that the people that were giving him the briefing uh... you know you've been in and you have clapper especially rogers also but those are the two guys who right now have really been on twitter and in the media a lot sounding the trees in the alarm and uh... you know speaking in very very strong language about the situation um...

so i think that bears pointing out also that their names have been in the press lately and those were the guys that were the ones doing the briefing now the third point is that trump got rid of them and replace them with his own people. Quote is there now. Christopher Ray is in charge of the FBI now.

The new people, supposedly people that Trump was comfortable with and had fed it and had done whatever he thought was okay doing to test their loyalty or whatever, however he interviews people, had came to the same conclusion as brinning and clapper and roger so whatever that whatever the briefing is it is a very very persuasive briefing and i think that's the key point i mean everybody seems to do is there seems to be in unanimous resounding agreement that this was put in

and there's no denying okay so if trump tries to say you know well nobody listen to crazy clapper or you know crazy brennan they're all part of the deep state conspiracy that that that's kind of a relevant because you're saying that even now pompayo and rei and coats uh... have have seen this uh... intel and and also agree with it and

have always stood with the i-sees findings yet you have those guys and you have even even the the republican members of congress i think have have stated in very very courageous terms that the joke uh... they also think it's russia so it's it's not you know it's not it's not the nyan blight anybody that's seen the evidence that has been privy to these briefings

walks away very very convinced that it is russia and trump is one of the things that's so infuriating about him is how he curious he is now i think that if i were the president and if you were the president and then anyone really one of the coolest things about the job would be getting those intelligence briefings where you get to hear about all the stuff that's happening

all around the world nobody else knows knows about that. Maybe you'd read about in the paper a month later or a year later or 25 years later. You know, like really, really deep-guarded secrets. And Trump just doesn't care about any of that at all. He just watches Fox and Friends. It's odd. It's just strange. Yeah, I think it speaks a little bit to what he already knew, probably, because he was involved. I'd like to ask you what you can tell us about what exactly it means to burn a source and who might have burned the source in this story. I mean, I've been thinking about it a lot.

I mean, a source is obviously in the New York Times article, they talk about somebody, a source in the Kremlin, who is very, very very close to Putin and the amount of secrecy and everything else was such that when they briefed Obama they gave him like a special envelope that just had that stuff in it so that nobody else could see it. I mean the guy was it was the top secretist of the secret eyes only kind of stuff and in order for this story to have been written someone had to have told

the paper the new york times about this source maybe not giving the name indicating that the person was there in which case it signals to kutin that somebody is there's a mole a russian deep throat if you will very very very close to Putin in Russia and he's thinking who is this person it tips him off to the fact that somebody in his inner circle is you know ratting him out and that's dangerous for everybody in

his inner circle not just the mole but everybody else too you know Russia historically in the last century is not not a friend of these purges where they just lack everybody just make sure that the actual traitor is dead uh... you know that they'll do that uh... another thing to keep in mind because it's it's a time story and the new york times would not publish a story like this i don't think

in less they were say they were told in a little bit told it was okay to talk about the source in the story and that's something else i don't know who told them or what but i know that a newspaper like that will not give out matters of national security if they're told not to uh... they just won't do it the watch and post won't do it

the new york times won't do it. The Washington Post won't do it. The New York Times won't do it. An administration tells them to sit on something because of a not-sec reason they will sit on it. So the fact that it was put in the story anyway is curious. It means somebody gave them the green light maybe, or they decided they heard it from multiple sources and decided it was okay. Or the intelligence guys

are like it's worth burning the source to get the story out there uh... i'm not saying that's what happened but it you know at a certain point uh... you know what good is the source if the actual president of the united states is also an agent of russia and close to you know what i mean like it's worth burning the source if the result is that traitor traders removed from the white house in my view but uh... it's it i don't know who the who told or what but those are the things that we have to think about when we're trying to

piece it all together right and we had learned that uh... of this high-level source uh... it was reported in corn and is a cost book Russian rou. So we knew about it, but in that book, they only talked about giving that briefing to Obama. Like you said, in the White envelope, they weren't even putting it in the President's Daily Brief, it was so top secret. But we knew that reporting had come out then. So I don't know if the source was burned back then, or if it was recently burned when we found out that Trump

was also given that same briefing that i don't know i mean it could be either way and it could be and and the question really is who told them and was it okay and again these people will not put something in a in a publication i don't think uh... unless they were given the green light by people in the u.s. government for something like that it it it's basically the same thing as giving out like troop locations and stuff like that something of that nature and that guarded secrecy i think is not something that that people will reveal unless it's kind of court-unquote okay to do it so maybe the sources are

you know maybe maybe put in burn the source already and maybe he had some polonium tea and he's no longer with us we don't know but i know a little bit about how the newspapers work and i know that uh... you know that this kind of thing goes to high levels and they won't sign off on it in less they have to go ahead from the government yeah now what about uh... the implications of this because we know you know

trump uh... when he was given that briefing, we know that his reaction was immediately only about whether or not the vote count was altered or whether or not he was legitimately elected. That was his only concern was how to spin it politically, not that the Russians had actually attacked us. But now knowing that he was given this high level, extremely persuasive evidence, what kind of implication does that have, you you know looking back on everything he's

been doing to kind of uh... i don't know cover this up i think it makes it i mean i thought that this was all starkly obvious eighteen months ago but it makes it especially this week i mean what a crazy week this has been starting in way in Helsinki on monday and the and the just the capitulation the put in that he displayed

on the world stage and then the russian spy that got arrested and then this uh... i don't i don't know how anybody could make the argument that he wasn't covering something up i just i can't think of any other rees either so incurious about it and even that doesn't make any sense he has to be uh... hiding things there just simply is no other explanation

you know he's he's told this in the briefing but he already knows maybe he doesn't know the extent of it but he certainly knows that the Russians help them uh... he asked the Russians to help him he went on TV and asked them to help and that's also not a mystery you know he he says public as can be he said it was a joke but he did it and uh... i just can't come up with any other explanation for why

he you know even if you don't think that there was collusion or or that it's all you know coincidence or or that he didn't know or anything else even if you buy all of that the fact that he hasn't know or anything else, even if you buy all of that. The fact that he hasn't done anything to prevent it going forward or demanded some kind of payback for it is a huge tell. I mean, this is a guy that kind of made his name and created this image of being this real macho kind of tough guy.

I will protect you, you know let's find that the guys that did the central park rapist you know and let's hang the you know that kind of he's this guy that that that that promotes this very aggressive kind of macho antiquated line of thinking so you know politically it would be awesome for him to come out and say Putin we can't stand this we don't do this that way the United States you know whatever he wanted to say he would win so many uh... points doing that i mean it for one thing it would shut everybody up about the investigation

it would actually be the right thing to do but he's done nothing like that instead he's coward i mean the pictures from monday are are astonishing the guy looks i mean completely submissive in every way it is it it is it's mind-boggling to be whole i mean he makes you know he makes neville chamberland look like john wick like the fed

yeah it was pretty obvious to us that he he looked like the beta male on that stage and in those meetings. And we're with you. We've kind of figured this for 18 months, but now that that hard evidence is out there, it's a little more compelling or at least hopefully it would be to people who have been still supporting him and believing that he didn't have anything to do with it. I mean, there's one more point i want to make before we we wind up and that's that that's the this whole idea of treason and what means in this and that

and i think one of the one of the problems one of the one of the issues people have with it is that treason itself or collusion whatever you want to call it is very abstract it's not a visceral crime it's not like he went you know somewhere and killed somebody it's not like he shot somebody on fifth avenue it's something like well he was doing you know there's fight that things and then there was money went here to there and Russians were helping and i think it's easy for people to kind of be like either not to understand it at all

or to kind of roll their eyes or to say which is what they're starting to do to trump you see who cares you know what the difference is that so the lessons help so what and i think you have to keep in mind it's it's it's a worst crime there is because it's a betrayal it's a rank betrayal of all of us and everyone in this country has been betrayed by him

and i think it's hard for people to really it's hard for me to really wrap my mind around what that means because first of all it's not something that that anybody in this level of our position has done ever in this country i mean not since you know like that it is that was a lot time ago and uh... it's just it's almost unfathomable that somebody would do this at all and i think that's part of the problem is kind of getting people to really wrap

their minds around the gravity of the situation in the crime and and the betrayal of all of us i think that's a big problem yeah and now he's gonna invite put into the white house it's uh... it's pretty astounding uh... uh... not that i never know i i sure hope not. I think the protests will be pretty loud and clear on that point.

But yeah, you know what? I appreciate you taking the time to talk to us today about this. I understand completely where you're coming from with trying to get people to understand the gravity of this situation. You can't just put this kind of news on a bumper sticker or in sound bites at something you have to really know a lot about so i encourage everyone to check out your book uh... dirty rubles uh... the introduction to trap russia where can they get a copy of that

you can get on amazon you can order it from your local bookstore and now out in audio book if you enjoy listening to me talk if you're one of the five people that enjoyed that you can also listen to it on the high mom no you can you can listen to it on on audiobook now as well so wherever fine audio books are sold all right well thank you so much we've appreciated you having on today Greg Olyar have a great day thanks so much for having me I appreciate it all right bye bye Okay. Thanks so much for having me. I appreciate it. All right. Bye-bye. All right.

So, Thursday, we got an update on Nastya Rybka, and Jordan's going to go over that. A little bit later in the show. Shiff and Swalwell drew up a motion this week to Sapina, the interpreter from the private Trump Putin meeting, and the GOP voted no. Right. Really? Right now, party lines. The problem with this secret meeting is that Putin,

it doesn't matter what they actually said in the meeting. It actually fucking means nothing. And that's the problem. The problem with the secret meeting is Putin can now say Trump said anything and Trump will not have any way to defend it. Putin likely recorded the meeting and that makes Trump compromise.

That's what happened to Flynn. He had secret meetings with Russians that they recorded and then you know Russia had him by the balls and that's why Sally Yates warned the White House that Flynn was likely compromised He was fired 18 days later and now awaits sentencing for lying to the FBI about those meetings, but yet Trump is still president But he is compromising the exact same way Putin can make those tapes say anything he wants Putin can say Trump said we could have Crimea Putin can say anything and Trump can he wants. Putin can say Trump said we could have Crimea. Putin can say anything. And Trump can't be like, no, I didn't.

Oh, really? Prove it, motherfucker. Was anyone else in the room? Dumb asshole. That's like being Kobe Bryant and agreeing to meet in private with a lady. Exactly. Don't do it.

Don't do it. Have your buddy in the room, man. Buddy system. Yeah. Protect yourself against your own crimes. Come on. If you can't not be an asshole, bring a friend. Good Lord. Save yourself. What others?

Jesus Christ. I take a crazy pill. Then came Friday. Friday. Friday. Friday. Hmm. We're drinking. He's a Friday. Then came Friday Friday Friday Friday You said Friday that was like Irish and Italian accent

Weird Irish Italian yeah, you became a leprechaun yesterday Jordan guy kind of drunk and started doing this river dancing. It was awesome I watched liver liver That's what happens when you drink too much. Yeah, liver dancing. Lord of the liver dance. Over here. The plight of all Irish people. Oh yeah. Sorry guys. It was Comic Con weekend and we might have gone some places and done something. Yeah. We hung out with Elena, a fan of the pod. Oh, it's a birthday. Yeah. 40th birthday party. Happy birthday. Yeah. Jordan and I did a show, we did the bad bad show. That was fun.

That was great, yeah. And done comedy in a while, so it was nice. Anyway, then came a free day. Friday and oh, Lordy, there are tapes. So a tape Cohen made of a discussion with Trump two months before the election, about a $150,000 payoff to Karen McDougall, a former playboy model that Trump had an affair with that he used to emphatically deny was leaked to the public. So McDougall sold her story to the national inquire for $150,000 and they killed the story.

It's called Catch and Kill. There's nothing illegal about it. It's just gross. What happens is when you do it in proximity to an election to benefit yourself, then you're talking about campaign finance violations. And according to Emily Jane Fox of Vanity Fair, the tape was deemed privileged. It didn't have to go to prosecutors. It could have been squashed. So that means that only Trump and Cohen had the tape and it hadn't been given to the FBI prosecutors, Mueller's team, anyone. Mueller's not doing Cohen case, but you know what I mean, any of those guys. That means that one of them leaked it and we think it was Trump.

Giuliani came out Friday, remember the Loub, Loub the, Loub the truth? Yeah. Yeah. Tour? We're Giuliani just keeps letting the truth out a little bit at a time so that when the big truth comes out everyone's ready. Yeah. Um, loop the truth to her. Anyway, Juliannie came out Friday and told everyone that the tape completely exonerated Donald Trump.

There's actually no way I could possibly do that because even at the very least, if he didn't make any payments or didn't know about payments, he fucked a playboy model in line about it. Right. So total exoneration is never gonna happen. And he, oh, but Cohen's lawyer, Lanny Davis, you know, the old Clinton guy, he tweeted, quote, suffice it to say, when the recording is heard, it will not hurt Mr. Cohen,

and any attempt to spin cannot change what is on the tape, unquote. Wow. So I think Trump leaked the tape as part of his team's effort to get the truth out to his base, like I said, not to mention that the news distracted from Helsinki, right? The Trees and Summit. And it takes Cohen's legs out from under him, by the way, by Trump leaking this tape. Because if Cohen was going to use that as a bargaining chip to flip and do a plea deal,

he doesn't have that anymore. It's out. And that could be something that Trump and Giuliani are going to systematically do. Release this information slowly so that Cohen doesn't have any leverage. Do you weaponize it, basically? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cut his legs off the knee. It's pretty much. God. How many people that work? It's just going to say it works if your people that are listening to you are honestly stupid and let things fly over their head. Yeah. They only care about the base being convinced, right?

They don't really care about people like us. Yeah. So in that case, it's depressing. I feel like that's depressing. Yeah. To say the least. Fortunately though, the courts cannot be swayed by such leaking of the truth. So that's true.

Yeah, and if their guiltyness... Trump knew about it, and there was any kind of a payoff to AMI or otherwise, whether he wrote a check or didn't cash, there was one of Giuliani's arguments. It doesn't matter. If you benefit it, if your campaign benefited to the tune of $150,000, that's illegal. We also learned that the special master in the Cohen case rejected about a third of the objections to evidence being covered by attorney client privilege. That means Cohen and Trump were like, you can't use this.

They sent like about 4,000 things over to her. They go, these are all protected. She said, no, to about 1,500 of them saying nope they're not and so those went to the prosecution along with 883,000 more pieces of evidence and we're probably going to see an indictment pretty soon. I reckon unless there is actually a deal being cut right now we don't know. So anyway pretty much everything except a couple thousand documents out of millions and millions of documents has been turned over to prosecution. We found out Friday that the Department of Justice will be turning over some FISA warrant

documents on Carter Page in response to a FOIA lawsuit filed by a group called Judicial Watch last April. New York Times was in on this too. They got the goods as well. I doubt that they'll get anything of substance since the Department of Justice is sending them out via FedEx. So I don't think any real good juicy stuff is coming out. I look through the documents, honestly, and there's nothing new in there.

All it does is kind of prove that it wasn't just the dossier, and it shows the names of the judges that approved the renewals and the initial thizocorp warrant. They're all Republicans and they're all Republican appointed judges. Bush two, Bush one and Reagan, respectively. These are the moments that I wish we could fast forward to when the debate's happening in the past, you know, about what started it. And it's like, and then months later, we'll get the confirmation sent through fucking FedEx. It's crazy. It must be real important. I hope you there to sign for it.

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Welcome back. It's time for this week's Hot Notes, and we have a lot of them for you this week. Jordan, you're going to give us updates on Roger Stone and sex coach, Nastya Rybka, but first, Julie, so you have reports for us on the DNC's lawsuit, chasing down Kushner, and an update on Cambridge Analytica. So why don't you take it away? Yeah. So the DNC has been trying for months now to serve Jared Kushner a lawsuit for helping Russian metal in the 2016 US presidential elections. But Mr. Yeal Kushner, coined by Jordan, has been swerving around this lawsuit. Wait, Mr. Yeal Kushner, the worst pub in the world? Exactly, yes. I need that tattoo.

I forgot about that. Yeah, we should open a pub. Yeah, or at least in our heads. Maybe even just like a brew, like a beer, like your own little. We'll have to give him something for it, unfortunately. All right, so he's been swarving this lawsuit ever since they've been trying to deliver it, which is just too much privilege for a medium in process, but basically,

OK. According to the, I know, like, his secret service. Right? It's so funny. I was so pissed reading this article. So according to the know like a secret service right? It's so funny. I was so pissed reading this article. So according to the Bloomberg report and the official government documents pertaining to the case, the DNC sued Kushner back in April and have been since met with a multitude of obstacles all preventing the lawsuit from successfully being delivered.

So the first three times the notice was rejected at Kushner's Manhattan apartment and they tried to serve him at his DC Residence, but they couldn't get it there either because each time they try no one signs for it So it's been that easy and now the DNC is asking the court if they can serve Kushner's DC residents via ordinary first-class male So that they won't need a signature. So this is crazy, like multiple months of just trying to get someone to sign. They'll lawsuit. And apparently you can do that. If you show your due diligence

that you tried 90 different ways to serve them, like for certified male, by hanging it on the door, by hanging it on his garage, by giving it to a secret service, by having someone else sign for it. Like there's nine ways and they have like 10 exhibits in this file.

They do all the ways that they failed. You show that, you show your due diligence, and then once you've done all that, you can request respectfully that you can just mail it to them first class mail. That's so crazy. Very thorough of a process, but what drives me crazy is, why is the secret service even protecting his lying ass? That sounds so illegal. Why can't they just have a Russian deliver it? Wouldn't that be a better?

Like maybe they'll get the message actually there. It's got a little nobichok on it. Yeah, I think the Secret Pass word to get an issues Russian adoptions. It's like all I had to say. So for anyone who doesn't get that reference, basically here's a recap on Kush. On June 9th, 2016, Kushner met with Kremlin connected Russians

at Trump Tower, along with Don Jr. Manafort and at least five other Trump people. And we only learned about this meeting after Kushner filed a revised version of his security clearance form. Maybe he didn't want people knowing that. One of the Russians there was Natalia Vizelnikskaya. I love her name. I just love saying it. But she's most known for lobbying against the Magninsky Act. And so even though we later found out that this meeting was pretty much all about the Magninsky Act, Don Jr. infamously claimed that the meeting was simply about Russian adoptions. So and then not to mention the discussion.

It did come out that his dad helped him craft that statement. They did on the news. And Giuliani has admitted that even though he emphatically denied it as part of the loop the truth tour. absolutely loop the truth to her The back and forth I was like reading timelines about when things came out and who said what it's a cluster fuck like trying to Connect who claim something happened. It was all over the place So basically we did find out yet Donald the last thing he said or Trump was that he did dictate the official

last thing he said or Trump was that he did dictate the official statement about what the meeting was about and they did say that it was about sanctions in the end, right? That was their official final. It's so crazy because they went back and forth. I did it. I dictated it, but so what? Yeah, it's not really. It doesn't matter anymore. Why do you care?

After he said he didn't. And then also there was the discussion about the Hillary dirt, you know, that was a big part of the meeting too and we have all the emails about that and it's just it's been so much back and forth but that was the gist of the first meeting and the second Trump Tower meeting was in August 2016 and this one included Don Jr. George Nader, Joel Zamol and Eric Prince and this one was interesting because it was a meeting on behalf of Saudi Arabia's Crown Prince and the ruler of the UAE and it was one of the first times that it seems like the Mueller investigation became like a global investigation. Like it was one of those bits of evidence that let us know that it wasn't just about Russia,

not to mention that NATO is now cooperating with Mueller. So that's even more interesting of this meeting. It's got partial immunity, I think. Is he the one or is it, is it NATO? NATO. Oh, I forget say it is a guy. Yeah, that's right. NATO say it in number stone. Yeah. Nader Sater, Nunberg, Stone.

Yeah, I want to say Nader's definitely cooperating. I don't remember what kind of immunity deal he has. Sounds like the beginning of a poem. I don't. I want to say partial, I think you're right about that. Yeah. Nader, Sater, Nun, Bergstown. Mm, mm, mm, mm, mm, mm, mm.

Yeah, some creepy like Lelobite. Some long fellow shit. Yeah. So basically those true, those true. Those two Trump Tower meetings taught us that the Trump campaign was meeting with foreign government officials to help get Trump elected, which is illegal because of the Logan Act and probably other laws. The Trump family is not keen to law.

Like I feel like law is to them is just suggestions for poor people. Like they don't seem to't care about the Logan Act. That was as good as half-man, half-musk. Oh thank you. That's my new favorite. Laws are just suggestions for poor people. I'm really starting to believe that. Oh man. That's good. Yeah and so Kushner's dad for example, you know, he went to jail for federal tax evasion, illegal campaign donations, and winnestamber Yeah, and so Kushner's dad, for example, he went to jail for federal tax evasion, illegal campaign donations, and witness tampering. And Kushner, Jr., himself, he basically, he's, when he was working as a senior advisor

for the Trump campaign in 2016, his company was facing a $1.2 billion property debt for their building as $666,500, so ominous. And Kushner's response to that, according to the UAE, China, Israel, and Mexico, was to go around the world asking for money based on his political connections. So that's his whole history with that.

And he ended up losing his security clearance because of it, which serves him right. And then Cambridge Analytica, Jesus, I don't even know how to transition. It's like, there's so much. This is a second story unrelated. This is this unrelated thing. You can still, I mean, you know what? Russia's always a segue, it's like, there's so much. This is a second story unrelated. This is this unrelated story. You can still, I mean, you know what?

Russia's always a segue. That's true. So speaking about Russia, let's talk about, yeah, I mean, you can pretty much just always do that. In fact, I was gonna start a game called Six Degrees of Vladimir Putin, where you tell me a new story and I'll connect it to Russia and six steps or less.

I like that. Yes, yes, that's perfect. So this is, yes, story two about Camerich Analytica. Damian Collins, he's a member of the British Parliament and he's leading their investigation into online disinformation. He told CNN that the data collected by Camerich Analytica was accessed from Russia.

So the discovery was made from the information's commissioner's office, or the ICO, which is Britain's data protection authority. And Collins added, quote, I think what we want to know now is who are those people and what access did they have and where they actually able to take some of that data themselves and use it for whatever things they want it. And this guy Alexander Kogan, he's a psych professor at Cambridge University who built the personality app on Facebook that gathered the data from its users and all the users friends as well.

So they gathered about tens of millions of Americans data, and Kogan also told CNN that he visited Russia in May of 2014 before he began collecting data, and then he did again in April 2016, but by that time he had already began deleting most of the data he gathered. Yeah, so Kogen denies handing over any of his data to any Russian entity, unless you consider Trump a Russian entity. And Kogen did say that it's possible someone in Russia could have accessed the data from his computer without his knowledge. I'm going to say the thing about a day does, you don't have to give it to someone. Exactly. Yeah, he also didn't even rule out the fact that he may have inadvertently exposed the data while in Russia.

So he said, quote, I don't know what could have happened to the data once I handed it over to Cambridge Analytica. So it is difficult for me to speculate. Loop the truth. I know, man, they're so good at this spends too. In response, Collins added, so it is possible indirectly that the Russians learned from Cambridge Analytica and used that knowledge to run ads in America during the presidential election as well. In quote, and even in British newspaper, the observer quoted an ICO official saying some of the systems linked to the investigation were accessed from the IP addresses that resolved to Russia and other areas of the CIS, the Commonwealth of Independent

States. Yeah. In fact, last week, the ICO released a report saying Facebook broke British law by failing to protect its usage data and that it intends to find the company 500,000 pounds, which is the largest amount allowed under data protection law, and it's about $650,000. And the ICO also said it intends to audit the Psychometric Center at the University of Cambridge, where Cogan is currently on the academic staff

at the School of Psychology. So Cambridge University said in a statement, quote, we acknowledge the Interminor Report from the Information Commissioner's Office. We will continue to cooperate fully with the Commissioner, and we'll work with the University's UK as it explores the issues within the higher education sector and around the emerging field of research using social media data."

In Cogan, who was born in the former Soviet Union before moving to the US, describes this whole ordeal as Russia phobia in America. He said, quote, it's just disappointing that we have moved away from an era of growing tolerance to an era of lessening tolerance. I am an American citizen, I grew up in the United States, but at the same time I have no ill will to my Russian roots. Oh, Jesus. So just for context, many donors to the UK Conservative Party have been reported to have

connections to Cambridge Analytica. In fact, Camana became heavily involved in the 2016 Brexit initiative, encouraging voters to leave the EU. Also, in March 2018, whistleblower Christopher Wiley testified to a UK government committee hearing that a firm linked to Cambridge Analytica helped the official vote-leave campaign, which was the pro-Brexit group headed by Boris Johnson and Michael Gove. And he reported that Camana even helped them circumvent campaign finance laws during the Brexit elections. So I don't think it's really Russia-phobia

as much as it is them trying to call this their witch hunts. It's the same. Well, it doesn't help that Russia got the Cambridge Analytica data. Exactly. It doesn't help Russia in my Russia-phobia. Oh, you don't, you got it. So Mario.

Yeah. That they got the data. It wouldn't help their case at all. I mean, that's't, you got it. You got it. Yeah. That they got the data. It wouldn't help their case at all. I mean, that's the news that came out this week, right? Right. Yeah, so like, it's like, yeah, we got to excuse. Yeah.

But that's that. Sorry, it's a lot of stuff. No, it is. And I appreciate you putting, giving us the update on that. Thank you. Yeah, that news out this week was just kind of, whoa, Russia had it. Neat. All right, Jordan, what do you have for us on stone and ribca?

Yes on stain and ribca. I'll start with I'll start with the Roger Stone or rather updates that relate to Roger Stone So this week lawyers for Andrew Miller met with the Mueller team behind closed doors that have been on Wednesday for context Andrew Miller so when that we learned was subpoenaed about three weeks ago, and it's been fighting the appearance and documents requested as a result of that subpoena ever since. So the excuse that they're using, or I should say, the,

whatever the legal jargon is, what they're requesting by the judge is that they dismiss all of this because Mueller's appointment was unconstitutional. Oh, they filed a motion like they did go. Man of Fort did, huh? They did. Yes.

They jumped on that bandwagon. I'd be so great if the judges just like, Ibed, see last judge. Yeah. Mueller's fine. He was supposed to be appointed next. Yeah, there needs to be an index for the responses. Seriously.

He was stupid motions. This is the ninth time you've tried to get this thrown out. No, it's not going to work. And Andrew Miller also just seen a registered libertarian and worked for Rajashton around the time of R&C 2016. Registered libertarian. So he wears a fedora. Mm-hmm.

Yeah, I chase him Raj. Sorry. That's so funny. I think my surprise of Rajas was a libertarian. Has that snake flag don't tread on me? Yeah. From their Prius, whatever libertarians do. I don't know.

I feel like we drive like a brat. Oh yeah. Like it is a brat. It's a weird car truck. Oh yeah. A car truck. It's like, that is a libertarian. A car truck.

It was like in 1980s El Camino, but like, small, small, it was small and stupid. It's funny. Yeah, either that or like an Amigo sport or something. I don't know, I'm really. I know, yeah. Oh, PT Cruiser. Yes. Very great libertarian card.

Very nice. Very nice card libertarian card. With a big old built turd on me flank. So, right in the huge on the cover in the whole back window so you can't see, so he keeps back in indistan. Yeah. So, yeah, so Andrew Miller, though we don't know too many details about what he's being questioned about or subpoenaed for.

We do know that he worked very closely with Roger Stone on multiple occasions. And when he worked with him during the RNC 2016, it is, you know, allegedly helped arrange a bunch of interviews and meetings with Roger Sone and other various. So he's a libertarian. This guy. Miller? So who babysits his pet tarantula when he goes to vote? Is that a libertarian stereotype?

I wouldn't wear that. I go on, who feeds his bearded lizard? I'm so sorry if you like bearded lizards and tarantulas and fedoras and PT cruisers and don't try it on me. Please don't send me any of those. I'm trying to paint a picture. Yeah, it's a good picture.

Thank you. Very accurate in my experience. So to the news update that came out on Andrew Miller this week, so Wednesday and they meet behind closed doors with members of the Mueller team and the judge and This is being overseen by chief justice US district judge Barrel Howell they met for an hour and a half and reporters were not allowed into the room and Miller's attorneys Still trying to help the subpoena so Mueller's team postponed the subpoena and offered potential other hearing dates in front of judge Howell And what was to be discussed at those hearings were one if the motion to squash the subpoena was timely,

and two, if the motion had any merits that it could be dismissed on. So just for your information, some things that would fall under that, those merits would be an error in the grand jury proceeding or preliminary hearing or an improper venue or just there's a bunch of things that legal jargon lists out that could disqualify it but I don't have it. I don't have a feeling that it's going to be squashed. I think the game will go out in a limb and say the libertarian is going to lose this time. Yeah, I think so too. Sorry.

I think so too. I'm so sorry. Have some billboard and like to hatch aon and a band and dirt lot for eight years that Ron Paul billboards live there for 15 years across all the times. He's just going to keep running. Just leave it there. Just lose horribly. Do we know if that's what the hearings were about behind closed

doors, whether or not they were talking about the timely motion or if the motion had merits to be dismissed? We don't know. That's unclear, because it didn't allow reporters. But they were talking about something and they were talking about it for a while. So we'll check back on that. Second update for Roger Stone, which is interesting.

And also, Ty's and Andrew Miller is this woman, Kristen Davis, that A.G. mentioned earlier in the show. So the Mueller team is seeking to question a friend of another friend of Roger Stone, and Davis, a woman who in the 2000s was known for actually running a high-end prostitution ring in New York. Horrible. She actually went to prison for it. And also allegations are convictions on drug trafficking charges as well.

So prostitution charges and drug trafficking charges. Great company. Great company. Great company. This guy surrounds himself with. So she's been subpoenaed by Mueller's team. They call her, you'll hear her referred to in the news a lot as a Manhattan madam. That's what a lot of the headlines are reading. It's a nice alliteration. It is. It is good. Every good criminal has to have a good alliteration. Or else who's gonna remember who you are and the horrible things you've done? Exactly. Well, when I was the San Diego madam, it just didn't have the same ratio. It doesn't. It doesn't. It's like a mass murderiterate. Or else who's going to remember who you are and the horrible things you've done? Exactly. Well, when I was the San Diego Madam, it just didn't have the same ratio.

It does it. It does it. It's like a mass murdering spray. What happened? What's the thing? No, a Madam is somebody who runs a warehouse. Oh, that's right. A brothel.

Yeah. Oh, forget about that. Yeah. So Madam, so she's actually already served prison time and she may be going back just kidding. We don't know. We don't know what's going to happen. But she is going to be questioned by the Mueller team. In a telephone interview on Friday, she was reached by reporters. And she said that Roger Stone is one of my best friends.

I have nothing bad to say about him. She called the investigation by Mueller, a witch hunt. And she said, in terms of Russia collusion, I know nothing, which is not a no. Exactly. Yeah. If it happened. So stone, the Mueller team and Davis's attorney himself could not be reached for

Cromon. And this is important because Davis is the latest of Roger Stone's close companion that have been subpoenaed. So there's been a growing list of people that Roger Stone has worked closely with that have been sub- a sub-speeded by the Mueller team. There's Sam Nunberg as we have covered his complete meltdown on national television when he refused also. It's funny. There's a trend. All of the people that are close to Roger Stone that are being sub- peanut are the ones that are dramatically refusing to come. But then they go. And then they win. They realize they'll be in jail for 18. Um, another person that's been that has spoken to prosecutors is Michael Caputo. to come. But then they go. And then they win. When they realize they'll be in jail for 18.

Another person that's been that has spoken to prosecutors is Michael Caputo. We covered him last week. Andrew Miller, as we just covered Jason Sullivan, who was writer stone social media coordinator and John Cacanis, who is stones driver. Cacanis. Cacanis. Yeah, I think it's interesting that everyone around stone has been subpoenaed, but Stone has not. Very interesting. And that's a very clear signal that Stone is a target. You don't generally call a target in for questioning, or subpoena them to a grand jury. You just get everybody and then take them out. Oh yeah. Now, after he gets indicted, he might, he could make a deal with prosecutors to roll on somebody bigger, but I don't know.

I feel like this is a whole separate thing. I think you're right. I think Stone's a big fish, and I'll go over the context for those of you that made just be joining Mueller. She wrote an art familiar with what we've covered on him up to this point, but just to finish up this quick Davis update. So Davis is served time in prison, as I said, on prostitution charges and drug trafficking charges in stone was actually a strategist for Davis's 2010 New York governor campaign.

She ran for governor in New York. Davis? Yes, the story that I read said she ran for governor in New York. And then if anyone wants to fact check me real quickly on that, because the source that I read said, yeah, that she ran for governor in 2010 is the first I heard of it too. Okay. And she gained less than 1% of the vote. Obviously.

She's a libertarian. Yeah. Well, well, she might have been because Andrew Miller was also in aid to this campaign. Ah, that means yes. Isn't that so interesting? And they drove a PT cruiser around the city with a banners on it. Yeah. A reelect mayor Goldie Wilson.

Yes. So I don't know who that is. Another reference over my head. Who's that? Back to the future reference. God damn it. I need to just watch that movie. What the fuck is wrong with you?

One day. It's like a classic. It's good. It's like a classic. All right, and so just to finish up the Stone update, to remind you all of the context of Mr. Roger Stone, he's a longtime Trump-aiding confidant, Stone has not yet been indicted, as AG just said, everything that's happening with him and who's getting subpoenaed in his inner circle, it's making it look like he is being pursued as a target by the Mueller

team, as opposed to a witness. Being investigated largely for his foreshadowing of the release of damaging information to Hillary Clinton by WikiLeaks, Stun has admitted to having communications on Twitter with the one and only Gussifer 2.0 who claimed to be operated by Romanians, but actually we found out. Nope. They were operated. That account account is already 400 pound man in his bedroom. Exactly. Russian intelligence hackers is Gusefru 2.0. In 2016 Gusefru 2.0 hacked into the DNC and jomped us the laptops and got Hillary Clinton's emails and emails from the campaign and gave them two WikiLeaks. Stone says that he was not talking about any sort of plan to collude with Gustafir 2.0 and get that information.

He said he was merely congratulating the Twitter account on being allowed back on Twitter. He just follows people who get kicked off Twitter and then congratulates them when they come out. That is like second job. Yeah, he does. Because he's just a good guy. A.G. What a nice fellow. He's just a good guy.

That's how it was. It was interesting because they had the emails, right? I think this came out in the 12 indictments recently, the 12 Russian indictments. They had the emails. And then they tried to set up Russia, tried to set up their own, they set up the DC leaks, I think. And that wasn't doing very well. And I think it was actually WikiLeaks who reached out, maybe via Roger Stone, and said,

we can do better. Much give us. So not illegal at all. No. Not at all. Interestingly enough, it seems like Stone has some level of self-awareness because on CNN last week, he said that he is probably the unnamed individual said to be in contact with Russian hackers and the indictment made by Mueller's team last Friday.

Yeah, because when we did this, when we record our last show, he was denying that he was the guy. And then he came out, I guess, and said, no, it's probably me. Yeah. Yeah, they have my word-for-word text messages. Yeah. Yeah, he needs to get in on that, loop the truth train.

He's like, the loop the truth train. I'm so full-eany right now. That's great. That is the most sexual reverence we've ever met in the show. Get on the loop the truth train. Oh my god. Oh my god.

Yeah. So good. Lube the truth. It's going to be new merch for Mueller Sheeran. Oh, a hashtag for sure. Yeah. Just kidding. All right, so my next update is on a very interesting character who we've covered a couple times now.

Her name, her stage name is Nassia Ripka. Her real name is Anastasia Vesu Kewich. And just to give you some context on Nassia Ripka, I'm gonna refer to her by that name because that's where she gets referred to the most. So Ripka, she's a Russian model in a sex coach. She was arrested in Thailand if you remember us reporting on this back in February of this year. She was arrested there while teaching sex seminars.

And Ajiwosh, do you like jump in the jacks on the beach? Jump in the jacks on the beach. And what were they saying? Some mantra. Sackling. I loves on the beach? I'm the beach. And what were they saying? Some mantra. I love sex on the beach. That was it, sex on the beach. Not exactly laying low. Yeah, not a, yeah, that's true.

Just gonna ask you for it. And how was that sexy here? Doing jumping jacks and chit-chatting sex on the beach? It's a cultural divide there for it. It's like sexy over there. Yeah, it's like a sex, like combat for you? Why are you gearing up for it? Like it's gonna be some, it's not what's sexy over there. Yeah, it's like a sex, like combat for you? Why are you gearing up for it? Like it's gonna be some, it's not what sucks you.

When they're in Thailand, they have women that can make ping pong balls come out of their vehicles. You're absolutely right. That is super tame for Thailand. Yeah, they're focusing on the wrong muscle groups. They're jumping jacks. So she gets arrested for the exact soliciting prostitution or like soliciting sexual acts, I believe.

So upon her arrest, Ripco was sending out multiple communications and social media posts asking the US directly to grant her asylum in exchange for damaging information that she had on the Trump campaign. And the US campaign ties to the Russian oligarch, oligdarapaska, who she claims to have been a mistress for. And it's still, she still says, he's my boo. Bay. Right, her name is my bae.

Worst bae. Recordings of oligdarapaska's conversations with three Trump campaign officials in 2016 or, I should say, conversations relating to those relations are what Ripka has and gave to Alexina Valney as we've covered who is a super anti-Putin, anti-Russia corruption figure in Russia. And Ripka took videos and recordings of these conversations that Dara Paska had with then prime, what was still Ripka? Yeah, still prime minister of Russia.

And so she gave those to Navalny, they go viral, of course. That actually results in a lawsuit against Ripka and her partner and how the lawsuit ends as they wind up owing $8,000 to Darapaska for posting private information about him on the internet without his consent. So, and the ballad he went to jail. And yes, that is true. Let's not forget that. Minor detail. Right. So, the reason why she is so important is because she potentially has So the reason why she is so important is because she potentially has really intense insight on the insider relationships between Derapasca and his ties to specifically Manafort. So Manafort and Rick Gates are being sued by a company that's owned by Derapasca for

$25 million over failed business deals. The idea here being that Maniford then explicitly told Dara Posca that he would give him private briefings on the Trump campaign and what we can only assume would be in exchange for making right with the money that he is being sued for. Not okay. They said that they had a plan for the election quote unquote and ribca said that she'd give us info to the US if they rescued her She was convinced and the last email or emails and correspondences from her Thai prison that she was convinced Russia ordered her arrest and she feared being killed by Russia due to the info that she possessed

so There's a context on ribca rest and she feared being killed by Russia due to the info that she possessed. So there's a context on Rybka. Now to give the update from this week, super interesting. She is completely backpedaling and back stepping on everything that she was saying about being willing to give the US intel if they granted her asylum. So Vice got an amazing story this week and they got the comments that relayed through an intermediary named Christina Cheramateva. She's the wife of Vashikeviches that's Rybka. Rybka is co-defendant and mentor Alex Keralov. So they had some really

interesting information and these are the updates that I've been looking for personally on this story as we've been trying to stay up to date with it as it's gone on so A day before Ripka was supposed to appear in ty-quart on Thursday Ripka Says that she will only give the tapes that she has of Derapasca to Derapasca and not the US So she took it back. She says she's not gonna give the US that information. She's not seeking asylum anymore She completely stopped. What if we already got her and got the tapes and now she's just doing this to make it look like she I'm that's way out there. Yeah, well, it's also been reported

It's coming out of my mouth. I'm like I know That's wow. Yeah, I mean that would be awesome It is being reported that the FBI tried to talk to her and the typer's and wouldn't allow it So as of now the public information is that the US and any of our entities have not been able to talk to her except for vice. I remember we reported on that. Yeah. She said, quote, I'm not going to blackmail anyone and I wasn't planning to. That is false. You explicitly said that you would blackmail Russia.

So... Just a fact check there. So she has a total shift now in what she's saying that she's willing to give up. And she says, everything I have in terms of recordings, I would give to Olig and only Olig and my price will be a date and a bouquet of flowers. She said that. She's got a sense of flowers. She said that. Crazy of humor. Yeah, I guess so. Also a sense of infidelity and commitment to being a mistress. A little bit of that too. But

whatever, that's fine. I don't know. Okay, so not making any judgments on that. Only the the horrible international crimes. That's the only thing. Yeah. And yeah, just wrap this up. The sources for this, there's three people that are very close to Ribca, including a woman that's actually been in jail with her in a Thai prison, and a sentence been released. She said that interestingly enough unidentified people have been coming up to Ribca in prison threatening her and saying that if she exposed any of the

information that she had in the recordings, that she would face significantly higher consequences. Yeah, I'm not surprised. Yep, wow. So I guess we'll put some beans on that story. Oh, yeah. I mean, that's why Maniford was not in Genpop because Putin could get to him even in prison. Exactly. So it's not on her.

It's especially less hurt of in a Thai prison where they probably don't have the same kind of security measures, but I'm only assuming maybe they do and maybe were the slackers. But I mean, you can go either way, either way, she knows where to go. It's where it's safest. Yeah, it's yeah. Yeah, I'm surprised she's still alive, honestly. I am too.

And what I'm wondering is, I wonder if her, if Oleg Darapaska, like actually cares about her to some degree maybe or something. And it's like, can we work this, can we finagle this Putin? So she doesn't have to be executed for this, essentially. Yeah. Who knows? All right, guys, well, thank you so much

for all your research. I know we each had two hot notes today. Except for me, I'm just gonna do one, but it's a long one. And by the way, guys, thanks thank you so much for all your research. I know we each had two hot notes today except for me I'm just gonna do one but it's a long one and by the way guys thanks for sticking with us I know that this is a marathon episode, but we all knew it was gonna be so I really appreciate the love and support I feel like somebody should bring us water now Oh, yeah, no, okay, the podcast where are they? We need them. Where's the podcast? All right, so here's here's what I want to talk about. A criminal complaint was filed last

Saturday, not by Mueller, but from directly from the Justice Department. And it wasn't an indictment. It was a criminal complaint on Maria Bhutna. Monday, she was indicted for not registering as a Russian agent. And then a second charge for conspiracy was added Tuesday. Bhutan had been working with Torshin, that's a sanctioned banker Russian guy that made contact with the Trump campaign via Donald Trump Jr. using his membership, he's a lifetime member of the NRA. So let me give you some background on Bhutan. In 2011, she formed a group we have on our fantasy indictment list. They're called the right to bear arms in Russia with

Torsion. And he tweeted about the group in April of 2012 comparing it to the NRA. It's like the Russian NRA. And Torsion is noted in these documents and all these court filings says, quote, Russian official. So that's what they're calling him. But we, and I have to tell you that Torsion's name is not in any of these things.

We're just assuming it's Torsion. Exactly. So that's conjecture number one. In 2013, Bhutanamakes contact with person one who I think is Paul Erickson, that's conjecture two. He's an American Republican operative from South Dakota. He agrees to introduce her to key figures in American politics, including a quote, guns rights organization, which I think is the NRA.

We're going to call that conjecture number three. That's an unnamed, like I said, they're unnamed in the indictment, but it's the NRA. In November 2013, John Bolton, our new White House National Security Advisor, recorded a video about pushing gun rights in Russia, and that was used by the right to bear arms. It was used by Bhutanah and Torschen, in their little recruiting videos. Our own John Bolton. Who hates Russia? I know, it is crazy.

Maybe he wants to promote gun rights there so more people die. I don't know. Love his money and power more than he hates Russia. I don't know what his long I he's I can't even figure that guy out. He's just mustache. A Bhutan and Torshan attended the annual NRA convention in April of 2014. Bhutan spends a year after this meeting making connections political connections. And then in March of 2015 almost almost a year later, she emails her diplomacy plan to Paul Erickson, Person One, in an email titled, quote,

the second posner. I found this little detail interesting. I don't think a lot of people talked about this. But Posner is Vladimir Posner. He's a Russian emigrate propagandist that spied for Russia in the disinformation department of the KGB while working from within the US government during the Cold War. So it appears that she's referring to herself as the second posner. Oh, damn it. Is that interesting?

Yeah. It is so stupid. The simple Google search would reveal that you're a foreign actor with bad intentions. It's not her name's boot, no, too. I mean, it's like, it's just got two eyes in Maria. It's weird. Oh.

I love you, pity. It's so sorry. It's weird. Oh. Um, I love you, Pity. It's the weirdest thing to fail, sorry. I know. But yeah, you're right. I'm kind of on the attack. In her email, in this second positive email, she wrote that the GOP, actually it says political party one, it's the GOP.

Mm-hmm. Conjection. That's conjecture number four. It could be the Democrats. She wrote that the GOP would likely obtain control over the US government after the 2016 elections. She's writing this in 2015. She said the GOP will likely obtain control over the US government in the 2016 elections,

and that the GOP has traditionally been associated with negative and aggressive foreign policy toward Russia. She says, this is amazing. She says quote however now with the right to negotiate seems best to build constructive near relations she actually writes that out in Russia. Wow. And that and that central place of influence in political party one is the gun rights organization as the largest sponsor of the US elections to Congress as well as a sponsor of the CPAC conference and other events. So that's how we know that political party one is a GOP and the gun rights organization

is the NRA. Right. That's right. That she says now that we have the right to negotiate. It seems best to build constructive NINJA relations. What right to negotiate is she talking about? The law, but they create it? No, not that, right? Oh well, I mean, that's exactly what she's setting up.

Oh! Exactly. Setting up literally some sort of blackmail back to you. Speaking of Pete's right to negotiate. Yeah, now that we have the right to negotiate, we need to start making friends with the GOP. Now that we have the right to negotiate, we need to start making friends with the GOP. Now that we have the right to negotiate, why do you have the right to negotiate with the GOP now? It's such a good point.

Yeah. That stuck out to me in this. Absolutely. What were you going to say? Oh, I was just going to say, this is just a nice little reminder that none of this shit would be possible if campaign finance laws were adequate

and actually benefited democracy. Thank you. But because the NRA is allowed to donate so much money to elections, then they become susceptible to people like foreign governments and agents going in and thinking, oh, this will be a good one to infiltrate because they have so much fucking influence. Please. I'm done. Damn, Jordan.

And then the treasury taken away the ability for the necessity for them to have to report. Yep. That dark money. Oh, yes. Yep, that dark money. Oh, yachts. Anyway, I'm glad we got to talk to McGuire about that. I was gonna say I met the P tape at Comic Con. That was what I was gonna say. Yeah, I should know what would be a good time

and bring up the P tape again. Seems like. Yeah, well, I just mentioned it. This is the time. Now that we have the right to negotiate. Yeah, I do have the, it's so crazy. Yeah, the Comic Con P PTApe thing was, so anyway, so she sent out this,

I'm second-posner, email, diplomacy plan, and that's her plan, to go through the NRA to get to the GOP because now they have the right to negotiate. And she's pretty sure the GOP is gonna win the 2016 election. She knows that in 2015. Erickson responded, Paul Erickson responded with a list of people she should beat.

April of 2015, Bhutan attended the NRA convention in Nashville where she and Torchon met with Scott Walker because he was a presidential candidate. He reported, actually, it's been reported that he spoke to her in Russian. He greeted her in Russian, Scott Walker. He's the Republican governor of Wisconsin, by the way. One of the three states where Trump eaked out an electoral win by less than 80,000 votes. You know, filled with Russians. He needs to know how to speak Russian.

Yeah. We should all learn. No. I think someone said they always wanted to learn Russian, but they wanted it to be their choice. Then in July of 2015, Bhutan attends Freedom Fest and asks Trump, you have to say it that way, if you haven't listened to the show before, you have to say Freedom Fest. You have to say it that way. And the Pepeu. So she's there and asks Trump a question about Russia to which he replies he would

like to remove sanctions. And later on in Russian Roulette, we read, Bannon and Prebus were baffled by the seemingly scripted nature of that answer. Interesting. Later in July, Bhutan attended Scott Walker's presidential campaign launch. So she was seeding a hedge in all her bets. Yeah. She'd make her friends with all the Republican candidates.

In August 2015, Bhutan assisted Torshan in setting up a US Congressional visit to Moscow. We have records like I've seen them showing that Rora Bacher was in Moscow in August of 2015. So that's conjecture number six. Yeah. The US congressman. It's a lot of beans. Who visited his Rora Bacher?

Yep, I agree with you. In December, the NRA sent a group to Moscow to meet with the right to bear arms, and they paid for the trip, which included Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clark. That's the guy with all the flair. You know, that guy, that asshole? Yeah. Throughout 2015 and 2016, Bhutan exchanged emails with Person 2 about setting up a series of dinners in DC and New York aimed at introducing Russians to American political influencers.

And in January of 2016, Bhutan and Torschen talked about, back and forth, they sent emails about logistics for the National Prayer Breakfast, which they attended February. Donald Trump, Jr. was also there. And later, Torschen tweeted that Bhutan was in the United States, where she reports that Trump is for the cooperation with Russia." In March 2016, Bhutanet emailed person to and said Bhutan was on board with their outreach plan. In May of 2016, Torshan reached out to two different people close to the Trump campaign to set up a meeting with Trump Jr. during an NRA convention later that month. In one email, Rick Dearborn said Russia wanted to set up a dialogue with the US. You remember that?

The email was called the Kremlin connection. Yep, yep, yep. That was hilariously obviously named. Right. And in May and June, Bootness set up a series of dinners with Persons 1 and 2. And we know Person 1 is Paul Erickson. Person 2, I'm still on the fence about. For Conjecture number 7, and we're going to find this out

anyway. And this is going out on a limb here because I'm not The clues aren't really there for me who for who push it person to is, but I think it's Donald Trump Jr Bootness set up a series of dinners with Erickson and person two and in May at the NRA convention torsion and Trump Jr Met briefly in August 2016 Bootnet arrived in the US on a student visa and posed as a college student. She didn't do any of the work. She had operatives and Russia do all of her homework for her. That was her cover. That's right. In September of 2016, she reached out to persons one and two again, saying there was

an urgent need to meet again. And that was September of 2016. In October 2016, Erickson emailed an acquaintance saying he set up a very private line of communication between the Kremlin and the GOP using the NRA. She then asks Torschen for recommendations for prayer breakfast seats. What Russians do you want to go to the prayer breakfast? In November, Trump wins the presidency with the NRA spending a record $30 million supporting his campaign. After he won, Bhutna and Torschen had a Twitter discussion, quote,

Think about which areas of life we can go towards bringing us closer, ISIS understandably, what else we need to look at the American agenda. Bhutan has suggested a phone call to talk about it, but Torshan is worried that his phones were tapped. Turns out they were, and Spanish intel chief Jose Grinda has said Donald Trump Jr. should be very worried and sent us all over the tap where tapped conversations. That's why I think person two might be Donald Trump Jr. And the end of November, after the election, Bhutan,

emailed person one about the prayer breakfast and said they were going to set up a back channel of communication with Russia. Person one tells her how to book the hotel and suggest torsion cover the costs. So this is a conspiracy with an American now on the Trump campaign. Torsion tells Bhutan who will be attending the prayer breakfast per the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Russia. So he's contacted the MFA and they said, these are the people we want to be there. Go, do it.

Bhutna attends one of the inaugural balls in January and in February, she and Torsion attend the prayer breakfast. Afterwards, she thanks the organizer and sets up a follow-up meeting because she said she had important information to share. Then she emailed person 2 to thank him saying, quote, my dearest president has received the message about your group initiatives and your constructive and kind attention to the Russians.

Thank you. There were more messages, but in a sentence, about the Secretary of State choice. This is in the affidavit from the FBI agent for the criminal recommendation before she was indicted and to get her arrested. This is the information they used to get her arrested. There's messages back and forth about the Secretary of State pick and how, quote, our people are not going to be good with their pick. And so the influence to not choose Mitt Romney and to pick Rex Tillerson instead may have

originated with Torshin and Bhutan and the NRA. Interesting. Conjecture eight. There were more messages that Bhutan has sent to Torshin about the Secretary of State Choice and the NRA money, like I said, and it might be the NRA money that bought that cabinet pick. So we don't know, but where else could that pick have come from? It's also important to note that Paul Erickson lobbied for KT McFarland.

And that might be the connection to Flynn and all this. He's cooperating and Bootner's defense team has said they also want to cooperate, but have not heard anything. We also found that Bootner was actually living with Erickson and was his lover, but she was playing him because the FBI has evidence she has offered sex to at least one other American in exchange

for access to political groups. We don't have any other info on who that was or what the group she was trying to join was. Look at a weak man. I know. I like my my my my so pretty was Harvey Weinstein. Yeah, it comes full circle. Yeah, I'll tell you the twist at the end of my next movie.

Don't do it to me. I'm nice. I'm a lot don't do it. Then in January 2018, we reported that Mueller was investigating the NRA, right? This past January, month later, the group admitted to accepting dues from Russians, totaling $2,500 from 23 Russians, then this past April, butan as home is rated, and torsion is put on the American sanctions list for interference in the 2016 election. Butan are recently graduated, like just last month, or whoever was doing her homework for her graduated from Trump University. Some American University in DC, I'm not sure which one.

I think I might have been American University. She graduated and was looking like she was getting ready to leave town. Her lease was up, she didn't renew her lease, the FBI knew all this, they knew all of this. Her lease was up in Dandagely, she had rented a U-Haul under her name to go to South Carolina. That's where Paul Erickson lives by the way. And he's currently under criminal investigation by the FBI there. We learned that this week. So the FBI found all this out. So the Department of Justice got a warrant based on the FBI affidavit. And she was arrested over the weekend, kept under seal. She was indicted Monday for not registering with FARA. And then a second

conspiracy charge was added to or a second charge of conspiracy was added Tuesday. She was in Dited Monday for not registering with Farah. And then a second conspiracy charge was added to her, a second charge of conspiracy was added Tuesday. She went to court Wednesday where the judge deemed her a flight risk. No. And remanded her into custody. And she sits in jail now awaiting another hearing on Wednesday of this week, which is day after tomorrow from when you're listening to this. Oddly, in her hearing last Wednesday, a new prosecutor for the United States popped up. hadn't seen her in court before for this case. Barbara Curtis is her name. And if it sounds familiar, she's the espionage expert that Mueller added to his team this past spring.

So even though Mueller's team did not indict Boone, a member of his team was at her hearing. So these collusion indictments might also come out of the DOJ if you think about it Mueller might have had the Department of Justice Run this run with this so that it doesn't have anything to do with whether he's fired Mm-hmm And it makes me wonder if any other further crimes of collusion for Americans are also going to come out of the Department of Justice But he also has this special way of member of the special assistance, the mini-molars, I call them,

where like the Manafort case and the Gates case, for example, those prosecutors, Weisman, and somebody else, they've been given special authority to continue on down their course regardless of, yeah. So he kind of handed off his authority to them, 100%. So I don't know if it's going to be mini mullers that he hands off these collusion crimes to, or if he just does them straight out of the DOJ, because Benchkowski is looming, right? Yeah.

So, and what's his name? Meadows, Mark Meadows of the House Intelligence Committee has impeachment papers ready to go on Rosenstein. So we don't know how that's going to work out, but I have full faith in Muller. So... It's amazing. Anyway. Wow. That's the Bhutan indictment, and I dropped 19 other pieces and news and eight conjectures.

So you're welcome. Yeah, that's crazy. Like you aging. A lot of beans. Lots of beans. If you had been count, you had going along the one. I have a bean counter If you're just on Bhutan on Ericsson if you're gonna come and undermine a nation's democracy You can't fall them love. That's full number rule number one. What is she doing? Well, some romcom here. She didn't she was just doing her job

Just right you might have been Twitter-pated, but you know. You've seen his picture? Oh, yeah. It looks like he would have fell for her. Yeah, like he walked up a broad bridge. Yeah, dude, if you're a five and there's a nine all over you and she's Russian, you might want to think twice about where that's coming from. She might be linking you into international crimes, especially if you're a political person. Like, I'm going gonna make a Twitter bio,

or not Twitter, a Tinder bio for her. I wonder, like, what we could do with that. Persons would be great. Yeah. But, Eric says, not so much. Oh, yeah. Well, you're bad for being manipulated by a pretty woman. Have some fucking self-respect.

Yeah. True. I'm sure he's got a great personality. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mm. All right, you guys, we'll be right back. Hey, Mueller junkies. Thank you so much for supporting our show and supporting women in podcasting.

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Oh, yes! Awesome. Well, the indictments are going to start coming at a fevered pace, starting this month. So I wanted to make an actual game out of it for our patrons. So step one is you have to become a patron at any level. Little's a dollar. Go to patreon.com slash muller. She wrote then asked to join our secret Facebook group called Friends of Justice. So you sign up for the patron. You go search for Friends of Justice. You sign up there because that's where we're going to be doing all the posts in that Facebook

group. Then I'll put out a post every Monday where you can reply with your five picks for the week, okay? Inner circle big fish are worth five points. Outer ring Americans are worth two points. And outer ring Russians or people we've never heard of before are worth one point. Okay. So for example, this week, let's say your five picks are Stone, Donald Trump, Jr.,

two Russians, and someone we've never heard of. Then if all of those people are indicted, you get ten points, okay? Five for Donald Trump, Jr., because he's center, two for Stone, because he's an outer circle American, and one for each of the randos, three of them. There's two Russians in some we've never heard of. So that's 10 points, I think. Five, two, three. Yeah, 10. Sure nice. I only took advanced calculus, but the addition fucks me up.

So we're gonna have somebody, I'm sure, we'll track the points each week. And the person with the most points when Trump leaves office, however he leaves, whether he's voted out or impeached or he dies, I don't care how he leaves but when he leaves office Whoever has the most points is the winner. What's the prize? I'm not allowed to tell you. It's good though But we're not gambling good good. We're gambling with our democracy but that's it. No, they are

We're just betting on it. There you go. Are you guys ready for sabotage? Yeah All right, according to the intercept, Saturday morning, Ecuador will eminently withdraw asylum for Julian Assange and hand him over the United Kingdom. That means Assange will be kicked out of the Ecuadorian embassy in the UK and handed over to British authorities. And I think it's safe to assume he could be extradited to the United States. But that could take a while. But there may be a sealed indictment on the docket for him already, which could expedite the extradition.

That's a lot of X-ing. Yeah. Expodite the extradition for the X-pat. Put some beans on that, if you like. I think there might be a sealed indictment for him already. Oh, of course. That's huge. Yeah.

It's giant. He may be charged in the US by Mueller not just for leaking the stolen emails. That's not a crime, right? Being wiki leagues isn't really a crime. But for conspiring with the Trump campaign to release the documents at specific times to weaponize those hacked materials, that's conspiracy. It makes me want to put a sange on my fantasy indictment team this week is he not already well we have to pick five for the week oh and you you change it every week if you want

that's right so for this week I've got a sange stone Cohen or Randall and Donald Trump Jr. those are my five who's a rando a rando is a random person a random Russian or somebody we've never point for that, yeah. You will find it on your bed. I've never heard of it. Yeah, that's what I call them, randos. Okay. Do you ever do that?

Like when you're just hanging out a bar, a bunch of guys are talking to you. He's like, fuck all these randos. Yeah. That's what I call them. Nice. All right, so who do you guys have? You gotta pick five.

Yeah, I mean, it's hard to not pick. The only one that I might not do that you did instead of Donald Trump Jr. You said stone, right? Yeah. Yeah, I said stone, a sange, Cohen, DT Jr. and a rando. Okay. Okay. For sure, for sure stone. I fucking hope so. Mm-hmm Depending on oh and organizations and entities and businesses are also worth two points. Okay, good to know. Yeah. I mean, part of me wants to say, even though they look like they're not treating her as a target, Davis, she seems really sketchy.

Davis and then anyone in his inner circle, basically, but I guess the idea would be that Miller Sullivan, exactly. Oh, no, I'm maybe not solid, but Miller, Miller I know has been working with him for a long time on multiple things. Because these people have ties also to their work outside of this. He's fighting a subpoena right now, right? I don't think that you would indict somebody in the middle of a subpoena fight. Yeah, not right now.

So I wouldn't put him on this week. You're saying like, oh, this week, Every week, you can pick your five, right? Every week, you get to update your team. Okay, well, I don't know if I have five names that I think will actually get undited this week. Well, no, but you get points if anyone does. And no points taking away in your mind. So like, think about fantasy football, right?

Yeah, this is for me not understanding how fantasy football is. So like every week I pick five players. And four of them might do shit, but one of them might get a hundred yards. So I get points for players and four of them might do shit But one of them might get a hundred yards. So I get points for that three of them might do something None of them might do anything But if there's any indictments this week you could get points for it if you name the right person and you have five chances to do that Does that make sense? It does, okay

Okay, so I'm going Colin I'm going stone I'm going Donald Trump Jr I'm going stone. I'm going Donald Trump Jr. I'm going fucking Kushner because I just really want that to happen Oh, yeah, and I'm doing Roar of Walker. Okay. Nice. Yeah I think Congressman I feel like Congressman should be five points. Oh, that's good. Yeah. Yeah, so Congressman and Inner Circle for sure for sure. Okay, um, the, the three of the same, okay, Cohen, Stone, whoo, you know, okay, I wanna throw a random

in there, but five forget, because I always filled them for not at least having one of those. You know, Maniforce's wife, we talked about her a little bit. You said you think she would only get like, immunity or something, that like? I think she's one of the five people that's going to be granted use immunity in Manipur's

trial. And you wouldn't get indicted for anything else if you're doing that, right? It just would be too much paperwork. All right. Who is tough? I'm going to do two randos. Yes. Because one of them could be an entity.

Somebody you could just do five randos every week and you might get points. Okay. So we got Stone, Cohen. Oh, Julian Assange. Okay. So you want Stone Cohen Assange and two Rando's? Exactly. Yeah, cool. Wait, sorry. I'm gonna change really quick. I'm gonna take out I'm taking out Kushner and put it in a Rando. Okay, now you have to also remember Rando's are only worth one point and Kushner's worth five. That's okay. so that's week. That's kind of the get the stretch. Yeah, yeah, the strategy. I like it, but I feel like pushing it down the way. Yeah, just studying on this way too. Yeah, he's big fish. Yeah.

All right, kids, are you ready to flip it blue? Oh, yeah. All right, for our final segment, Jordan interviewed Omar Komp on Najar. He's a Democratic candidate for California's 50th. So let's check out that interview. Hello folks, today for our flip it blue segment, we are joined by Omar Komp on Najar. He is a congressional candidate running in California's 50th

district Amar. Thank you so much for being with us today. Oh thank you for having me. I appreciate it. Love to be on the program. Yeah we're excited to get a chance to chat with you. So as we said you're running for California's 50th district seat. You're out going up against Duncan Hunter. We wanted to take today to just give you some time to showcase your campaign, some challenges that you all are facing and your plans to win this year, uh, win in 2018. It's super excited to have you here.

So if we could just start off, could you tell us a little bit about yourself, the experience you have and why you decided to run? Sure, sure. Well, thanks for giving us a plough for the speech for a little bit So, yeah, I was born in this district that I'm running in. I'm from San Diego. Nationally, people call me the Latino Arab American running in the Trump era. Back home, I'm just the skinny-gett brown guy with a funny name. I was trying to provide a little bit of hope and a little bit of help in a district that hasn't had much change for many years.

The guy I'm running again, his name is Duncan Hunter Jr., he's been around for about 10 years. And then for 30 years prior to that, his father was the Congressman, Congressman Duncan Hunter Sr., so for 40 years, almost half a century, the Duncan Hunter dynasty has held the seat. And I think that when we have members of Congress who you know are there for too long or when you have Jerry Mandarin where you have politicians picking their voters instead of the other way around or when you have somebody inherent their seat and then sell their votes in Congress at the highest bidder, the corporate highest corporate bidder, I think that that has a corrosive quality to our democracy. And I really think Jordan right now is

that where were you moment and the life of our country? People are going to look back and ask us quite literally where were you when people were fighting for their lives and their health care and their constitutional rights. And I want to say that I was there fighting to get fight and making sure that all of my efforts counted. I used to work for the US Department of Labor on Dr. Obama. I worked at the White House for a while. And now I'm a small business owner. So I'm able to reach across the aisle because of my business understanding, but I'm a die hard progressive when it comes to the important issues.

I don't think anybody in America should have to die because they're too poor to live. I believe that healthcare is the right. I believe that we're a country of immigrants. Even if we are a country of laws, I think the most defining question of our time is not how many people break the law in America, but how many laws have broken people. And I think we have to have new leadership

to take on these new challenges that we have in this country. And I think you've heard about Congress from Duncan Hunter. He's broken the law when it comes to fundraising and his financial contribution. He's used them for his own personal benefit. And so my question to voters is, how can we expect someone to pass and enforce laws when they're too busy breaking them

themselves? So we have a lot of corruption happening in Washington today. And Duncan Hunter's the poster child for someone who is corrupt and also defies FBI and is a believer that our law enforcement is inside with America law enforcement. So he's one of those people that kind of fits the mold of what we have right now in the White House. Well, thank you so much for that answer that we just sound fired up and ready to go and exactly like the candidate that your district needs right now. Wanted to talk a little bit about your district specifically.

What are some of the biggest issues your constituents are facing right now and what do you have on your platform that's going to address those things? Sure. I mean, I think one of the things that's going to be consequential that just happened is this new task plan, right? Congressman Duncan Hunter said literally on TV on San Diego Airwaves that this task plan is going to hurt California families.

And he still went ahead and passed it and voted for it. So I think this task plan is gonna hurt a lot of people in our district. We rely on those state and local task deductions that a lot of working families rely on for relief. And that's going to be, you know, taken away from people. My district has double-cut unemployment rate of the rest of San Diego County. And so, you know, jobs are hard to come by in my district.

And wages have been stagnant for many years. So to hear this, you know, adding to the strain of the working class this tax plan is the problem. And then of course the health care issue, right? I mean health care is still extremely expensive. It's about one fifth of our country's economy and people feel it, it's a strain. So by the time they're done, you know, paying their taxes, now that it's gone up under under Trump, but the kind of dumb pain, their premiums, but the time they're dumb pain for the basic gizzen and needs they have, they have no disposable income. They're left living to work and not working to live, and it's hurting people. It's the economic injustice that people are facing, and it's tied to social and racial injustice.

I think the economy, still the number one issue in my district, people care about the personal health, their personal safety and their personal financial dignity. So if I could help people, you know, give them some relief by working on some programs that I worked at the Department of Labor, like apprenticeship jobs, trade school, and really invested in that, I think we could do a lot of good. You know, when I was at the Department of Labor, I left President Sample Memo and I said, here's a program that sounds like your TV show. It's called The Prentishit. What do you do with you always do, which is, you know, put your name on something that already exists and claim credit for things

that already exist, whether it's his Trump hotels or this economy that he inherited from President Obama. He seems fine taking credit for other people's work and if you want to do that with the apprenticeship and that's more than go ahead but we've seen some strip away at the top programs and uh... that's not that i want to be able to invest in a lot more i think you know walls don't work

or continue investing them i'd rather invest in and people in the wall i'd'd rather repeal and reverse the current budget. And invest $35 billion in workforce development. It's a stupid wall. That's a monument. The stupidity that won't do anything. So that's really my core focus is jobs and the economy. That sounds fantastic. And I know we're from San Diego as you may know so all those issues

are super prevalent right now in our district as well. I wanted to go back to what you said about Duncan Hunter really quick. If I understand correctly he outwardly said that he knew this tax bill would hurt American families and then he still voted against the interest of his constituents when he voted for that tax bill correct that's correct i mean he literally said on k u s i he said that that this tax plan is going to her

california and then he said will california stupid i'm not gonna make the rest of the country have to show the burden for california and he's talking about california's local uh... you know our state taxes taxes and the way we do things in California, which the fifth biggest economy in the world, I think we were pretty good in a balanced budget when it comes to the government. So I think his attacks on California's government is kind of ridiculous, but this is a guy

who doesn't take with personal responsibility, right? For anything, whether it's his personal life, you know, he blamed his wife and his kid done the whole like spending campaign funds, he said it was their fault, and talk about family values, right? And then he blames California for a vote that he made in Washington. And so he needs to take responsibility when he passes a law, and it hurts California families, the book stops with him. When there's campaign fraud in a settlement taking place, the book stops with him. He needs to take personal responsibility.

And maybe it's time for him to step away from the legislative side of things and take care of his personal lives because he seems to have a lot going on. And it's happening at the expense of voters in the district who really need help. And it's a really sad time for our country that we have someone like Duncan Hunter who doesn't care about voters who was asked by a Republican voter at a town hall. Do you think your son will follow in your footsteps like your father and you did? And he said no, my son why something to have a real job? So this is a man who clearly doesn't take this job seriously,

and people put their hopes and fears and dreams and livelihoods and people's hands who run for Congress, who are serving Congress, because for the choices he makes in Congress could be a matter of life and death for people who aren't homeless away from his home. So I don't know what he would go out as a real job, but there is no higher honor than serving the public. And he seems to not respect that at all. He's an entitled man who thinks that social security and medical entitlements, but I don't think that's true. I think inheriting your seat from your father and not caring about that seat or the people you represent, that's an entitlement.

And we don't need people like him in Congress to be honest yeah that's a great point of marga so if he's not representing his constituents with his votes who is Duncan beholden to in congress when he's voting yeah i mean look at his campaign funds are where they're coming from the coming from telecoms that's why he's going to what he doesn't let the reality that's why he's you know he gets money from the anarchy that's why he gets money from the anirine, that's why he's saying that the teacher should have guns and classrooms.

When he should know better, because in the military, which is a gun-free zone, a private gun-free zone, instructors and teachers are not allowed to carry fire arms and classrooms on military bases. And the reason is, they say, because it could increase the likelihood of accidents or suicide or some other thing that's unexpected. So why would it be different for civilian life if the rank and file in the military that you serve think it's unwise to have teachers carrying firearms

in military. And then big oil, big firemen. All the suspects that you expect would give money to a countless one who, you know, doesn't really care about the interests of a district, but especially interests in Washington. So, segueing into our next question, then, what do you think the 2018 midterm means to your constituents and to the Democratic Party and to you? What is the significance of 2018 versus another year, let's say, because this is an important year.

Yeah, I think that this could be a redemptive year for our country. I think a lot of people, people ask me, like, I was in Washington DC when Donald Trump got elected, I was working at the Department of Labor and people asked me, how did you feel? And I said, I slept like a baby, to be honest, I woke up every two hours, I cried and went back to bed, right? That was my life for a little bit. I think a lot of people slept that way. And people feel like something was lost. I remember being on the next day going to work next day.

It's strangers were crying on each other's shoulders. That's literally the site that I had. My first day of work and I think people felt like they were some kind of mourning a loss, like a death, and no one was able to articulate it, but it felt like our democracy had died, right? But there was this country that we loved and lost, that something happened

that wasn't supposed to happen. And I think 2018 could be the beginning of writing that shit. And I think we're seeing all the heels of Donald Trump's, you know, terrible visible horrific, extremely just embarrassing trip to meet with Putin. We have a president who was citing with the Kremlin and not with intelligence and law enforcement in our own country. And for those of us who believe we are an nation of laws, I think this is a step too far from most of us.

And I think there's gonna be a lot of people who are gonna say, you know, it's time to be a lot of people who are going to say, you know, it's time to get rid of the hostility and the divisiveness that's happening in Washington. It seems like he hasn't drained the swamp. He's made the rest of the country infected by the swamp. And I think there's a lot of people who just want stability and some stability back into the way that government works. This campaign, my election, the 2018 election cycle, it's not about me, it's not about any of these candidates

that are running that have been on your show. It's about you and me, Jordan, everybody else, about becoming an unstoppable will be, right, against the corruption, the greed, that adversity that we're facing at these times. And so I think this is a turning point. And again, like I said, it's a where were you moment? And we're gonna look back at this year,

and we're gonna say, was that the moment that we went over the ledge and went towards a point of no return? Or did we redeem our country that we were stored that we bring it back? And I think the way that we vote this year, I think it's going to determine the next two years. And frankly, the next four years, if Trump becomes president for former years or not,

I don't think our democracy can withstand eight years of Trump. I don't think it can. And so everything is on the line. And I talked to a lot of voters who ask me, you know, worried that those people who are on those rallies, they ask me, do you think that our democracy, and the midst of all this, you think our democracy and our governing institutions

will protect us? And the honest truth Jordan is no. Clearly no. That's not the question. The question is, are we going to defend our democracy? Are we going to defend our governing institutions? We hold in our moral hand, it believes that change the course of this country. And it's not, it's on us to protect those things, right? Our rights are self-evident, but they're not self-executed, and they could be taken away from us.

And I think people have woken up and realized that we can't take our democracy for granted, because more threatening than Donald Trump, than Russia, than North Korea, to our democracy is us as voters taking it for granted. And I think I hope we learned our lesson for 2016, and we don't repeat that mistake again. Our vote matters this

year more than ever. We appreciate having you so much today, Amar, on the program. It has been such a joy talking to you. We don't want to take up too much of your time. We know you're very busy. Before we send you off though, could you please let our listeners know where they can go to help volunteer on the ground or if they want to donate to your campaign or just follow your journey. Let them know where they can follow you. Thank you so much for doing that. So you can follow me on campacampain.com. It sounds like a stutter campacampain.com or on Facebook, on our campus for Congress. I'm not thinking any corporate pipeline right now is the season where we're trying to

fundraise so I can multiply my message get more people to have more clipboards keep my office open. Yeah, our message out there. So if you like what you heard today, help me multiply that message and beat Deckon Hunter and has built in their buddies by not thinking any corporate pack money at all and leading with my values and fighting for healthcare and jobs and And justice for all of us. All right. Well, thank you so much. Amar folks. You heard it on Muller. She wrote the California's 50th District Congressional

Democratic candidates Amar, Componizhar. Thank you so much. We will be following you and best of luck on the trail Thank you so much, Jordan. All right, we'll talk to you next time. Thank you. Guys, thank you so much for sticking with us for this absolutely insane episode. I'm surprised we did it in under 8,000 hours. You're all amazing. We love you. We will see you next week. We're hopefully we will be announcing a winner of a PlayStation 4. We're so close. We're only about 500 followers away from 10,000 on Twitter. And if when we get 10,000, it was supposed to be 10,000 on Twitter and 10,000 on Facebook, but we only have like 2,800 on Facebook. And I don't think it's ever going to get anywhere close. So I'm just going to bite the bullet and get somebody a PlayStation 4. Nice. Yeah.

All right. Guys. Yeah. I'm excited to announce it. I don't know how I'm going to randomly select one of our Twitter followers. They're generators. There's generators. Yeah. That's the probably the best way to do it. Yeah, because I wanted to just be completely anonymous. Right, because if poopies will get sick, I mean, they are my spirit animal, but like I mean, like it could still happen, but also we'll make sure there's a way to record it

to make it very transparent if you want it to. Yeah, let's make sure we do that. Absolutely. We'll have comies selected, getting upset at us that we did so much in a medical way. No, I bet if we have comies revealing nobody will actually believe it. I bet you wouldn much in a medical way. No, I bet if we have Komi revealing, nobody will actually believe it.

I mean, you wouldn't get a PS4. That's what I meant. You won't win a PlayStation for, yeah, yeah, just put my words in the past. But I'll, all right, you guys. Anyway, remember to vote. Please get out there, support everything you can do. Call your congressman complain, be loud.

Let's go march. Whatever you need to do. Make a sign that says treason with the 45 as the EA or whatever it is. Or A-O, A-S. Words, letters, I forget to you. T-R-E-4-5-O-N. EA, yeah, you're right the first time. Yeah. Yeah. All right. No, I think I was wrong the first time. Oh. Anyway, it's totally fine. We know what it is. Go make a sign. Go March. I love you.

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