Jack - The Ultimate Manafort Epic-sode (feat. Scott Dworkin & Renato Mariotti)

Episode Date: September 17, 2018

Ep #46 - Joining us this week is Renato Mariotti, CNN legal analyst/former federal prosecutor and Scott Dworkin, host of The Dworkin Report. Plus, Jaleesa gives an update on Maria Butina, Jordan reports the latest on Kavanaugh, and AG covers our "Felony Friday." Enjoy!

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the crotch act as I so eloquently misspoke one time. With me as always is Jolisa Johnson. Hello. And Jordan Coburn. We're glad you're here Jordan. You weren't gonna be here. Yes, I am. And then you were and then you weren't because you're sick. Yep. And I'm also sick. Oh, okay, that makes sense. Yeah. And my neck is that what this means? I don't know. It's not looking good for you. Yeah, it's not. You're neck is that what this thing? I don't know, it's not looking good for you. Yeah, it's not. You're trapped in this room with us and I won't hold it against you. I don't know. There's germs in these curtains and they're coming for you. Yeah, I've had it up a respiratory infection for like eight days now. Oh, God damn, that's a long time. It's really long. Oh, I'm sorry. I know the sickness of the White House is contagious.

It's really bringing us all down physically. It's physiological at this point. Oh, yeah. But we are glad you're here. Jordan, we're glad you made it. Thank you. So this is going to be our most epic episode to date, right? Like an epic episode, if you will.

We'll come up with a name for it. Jolisa, you're going to give us an update on Bhutina. Yes. And Jordan, you're going to brief us on the latest Kavanaugh issues that are happening, which has been postponed for a week. I'm excited. I'll be covering our felony Friday.

And today we have very special guests, Scott Dworkin of the Dworkin Report. We've had him on before, a friend of the pod. He's here to talk about his ethics complaint filings to the DC District Court on Kavanaugh, which is kind of cool. And he's going to be helping us out with our Q&A, which is fun, because he knows everything. And then we have CNN legal analyst and former federal prosecutor, Renato Marriotti. But before we get going, I say that because it's very Italian. Oh, yeah.

I could say Renato Marriotti, but I'm like, Renato Mariatty, if those T's hard. Maybe often you get a double T opportunity. Right, exactly. I was just gonna say what my name is, but then that would be bad. Oh, good catch, yeah. No double T's in my name, ignore that. Before we get going, we have some corrections from last week.

First I had said last week that op ed is short for opinion editorial, but it is not. It is short for opposite the editorial Because it traditionally appears opposite to the editorial page in print on in the you know print newspapers the thing that used to happen We used to get our newspapers in print. Here's weird. Oh, yeah, that's right Kind of it's a fun fact kind of like above the fold I Don't know what that was yeah, I'm people like that's above the fold. That means that's important right Kind of like above the fold. I don't know what that was. Yeah, when people were like, that's above the fold. That means that's important, right? Because in papers above the fold means your headline.

Of course. The fold. It's above the fold. I thought it meant like you were above the fray or you were above the secrecy of the, I don't know, I don't know what it meant. But then I was like, oh, above the fold is literally just means you're.

Yeah. I used to read the cartoons. Funny papers are below the fold and above the fold, but in the middle of the fold is literally just means you're... Yeah, I used to read the cartoons. Yeah. Funny papers are below the fold and above the fold, but in the middle of the paper, opposite nothing because it takes up the whole both pages. I had no idea. The fold was like the sea more of a Facebook status.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Translate. It makes sense now. Anyway, so op ed, not opinion editorial, opposite the editorial. So there you go. I also asserted that the Supreme Court ruled that Fox News could lie. It was not the Supreme Court and it was not Fox News. It was a case much in a much lower court and it was for all news outlets.

So be aware of that. I lied. And I have the right to do so because of the Supreme Court. I was just incorrect. I had heard that somewhere and I was I was pulling a trump. I heard it. I've heard it from many people, many scholars and so I said it. Yeah. And I have to actually get used to the fact that the things I say go out to a lot of people now and I have to be responsible for all the way more accountable. Exactly, but we'll try and better correct him.

That's the difference, right? I know, neither would Fox. Yeah, if you, if you, there were a Trump corrections like every other day, he'd be spending 10 hours correcting everything he said the day before. So it can't, no, there's no way. That's a start. Anyway, if you have any corrections, if you hear me say anything in the show that's you're like dude that's BS AG BS AG

Maybe I'll set up a new email account BS AG but for now just email us at hello at Muller She wrote com will be happy to get the truth out there That's what we do. We're very reactive podcast as you might have noticed. Yeah, we're prone to air sometimes. I'm very prone to air and I'm completely happy to admit that. In the meantime, guys, we have a ton of news this week to get to. So let's jump in with just the facts. So all the way back to last weekend, it seems like a decade ago. ABC reported that Cohen has said he will tear

up the Stormy Daniels agreement and apparently Trump was on board with this. And this came out in a court filing late last Friday by essential consultants. It's fucking essential. They agreed to dissolve the non-disclosure agreement, barring Stormy from discussing her affair with Trump. Cohen did this because he believes that ending the NDA or the non-disclosure agreement divests the court of jurisdiction over the contract dispute. So therefore he can then ask the court to dismiss her claim, which explains why Trump is on board, right? He wants this whole thing dismissed. It's a lame attempt to try to prevent Trump from being deposed in the case because if you're deposed you can be asked anything and you have to tell the truth. So if he asked Stormy Daniels in the A with a D, you have to say that you did that, and

he doesn't want to do that because poor Melania. Yeah. Would they make them go into such detail? I don't know. I don't know. Cut, I hope not. No, I don't think so. I think it would just be, did you have sexual relations with that woman?

Or intercourse. I did have sexual relations with that woman. Yeah. not have sexual relations with that woman. Yeah, and it would be end of that and then you would be lying. So, Avanati has called it a legal stunt and I agree with him on this. I don't agree with him on a lot of things, but I agree with him on this. It won't work. We'll keep a spyglass on it for you. Somebody had a new one?

I don't know. Somebody posted a picture of our spyglass lady, and she was like, you know how you burn ants with a magnifying glass with a sun? They were doing that to the top of Trump's head. I saw that on the spyglass lady. Like the sun, this beam was going, and it was the one where it was the,

it was a picture of him where he put both of his fists up when he was on the way to the flight 93 memorial. Yeah. Yeah, 9-11. And so everyone did memes of that whole, like people put to weeners in his hand, like he was having a double hands ease. And like it just, but that was it. So it's us and burning his head with him going, I feel like his head would go up in a brush fire immediately.

It would. It's Tinder. And I don't mean the dating. I know. It would. It's Tinder. Yeah. And I don't mean the dating stuff. I know. I don't like associating, kindling, banging with Trump. I definitely swipe left on Trump. No, that's not true.

Wait, which is, yes, which is no. Yeah, you're right. No, you got it. I would swipe left. Oh, okay. Yep. Okay, got it. No, you got it. All right, so a pop-adolis told us Sunday in an interview with Stephanopolis that his testimony

could help demonstrate collusion between Trump and Russia. Then this is the best tweet of the week at Nat Cassidy. He won Twitter, he won the internet with this tweet. He said, quote, Stephanopolis tells popodopolis he wasn't scrupulous with the populace about his opulence, but popodopolis cops to operance with a monopoly on scurilius, Jelisa, play this clip for us. Okay, but then Poppodopolis got weird. He launched into a Twitter tie-rate Tuesday, attacking Alexander Downer. That's the Australian diplomat he drunk bragged to and a London pub that kicked off his hole and investigated Crossfire Hurricane.

And he was basically saying that Downer was a plant in a conspiracy to entrap him and discredit Trump. He alleged that Downer was working with steel, Christopher Stee steel, the former MI6 operative author of the dossier, quote, the notion Downer randomly reached out to me to have a gin and tonic as laughable. Then Poppedopoulos had just one gin and tonic. Is that, I think that's the laughable thing because he was drunk. Yeah. Also, the fact that he accepted such a sad, sad request for a meeting is kind of on him. He's like, nasty admit that he's so desperate for friends.

He's like, yes, wait, are you the LinkedIn guy? Sorry. Yeah, I'll meet you. Even if they did plan it, who gives a fuck? That doesn't change what you just like what he said. I mean, I guess he is asserting that he's lying, but. True. And he also said, Papa Doppler's on Twitter, he said, quote, some organizations sent him to meet me for the sake of our

republic, for the sake of our republic and the integrity of this investigation. I think it's time downer is exposed as Christopher Steele. And to me that means, are you trying to say that downer as Christopher Steele. And to me that means, are you trying to say that downer is Christopher Steele? Like, have we seen them in the same room together? Get your sentence structure together. And then anyway, he was freaking out on Twitter. And it was weird because he had just gotten sentenced to two weeks in jail. And I guess he was like, bragging like, I only got two weeks and another is a huge nerd and like he reminds me

I don't know you know what I'm not gonna go into it. A bad nerd we love nerds. Yes not that kind of nerd. Definitely a bad nerd like a dick nerd like my husband told me a story how he there was like a girl that nobody would talk to at school in high school and she was like pretty lonely so he took her to prom to be nice like he asked her out to you know to be a nice guy turns out she's a fucking asshole and he's like no wonder nobody talks to that. She's a dick nerd. She's a dick nerd. I think a dick nerd is what kidney stones are. Oh wow. What is that? That's a left turn there. I appreciate that. that's a left turn there I appreciate that you're can you stones i'm sorry

by Jordan and so did big riffs no giggling we're serious news outlet we're very serious news show another tweet he sent out said quote it would be very very, very big problem if British intelligence was weaponized against an American citizen.

I don't know. He even made a reference that Downer had once worn women's stockings. G-E-L-E-L-E-S-L-U-L-E-S-O-K-S-I-N-I-N-E-S-O-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-I-N-I-N-I-N-I-N-N-I-N-I-N-N I got down trees, I skip and jump, I like to press wildflies. Anyway, that's just weird. Downer dismissed the pop-adopolis tweets saying, quote, I'll leave others to make judgments about the veracity of those tweets. So I thought that was nice. He's like, basically fuck off. That's Australian for fuck off.

All right, so on to Monday. We're just on Monday. The Washington Post published a story that top civil servants are leaving the Trump administration at a quick pace. I was asked earlier in the week, what's the difference between myself and the anonymous New York Times op-ed writer. I'm very different in that I'm a civil servant. I'm not a political appointee. And I don't have access to removed documents from Trump's desk. Additionally, I'm not a Republican appointee, and I don't have access to removed documents from Trump's desk. Additionally, I'm not a Republican, guys. I don't know if you've noticed.

But if I had access to push the 25th amendment, I would have, as would be my duty to the Constitution, as part of my oath of office. But the Exodus of Civil Servants, abandoning ship, is up 26% from Obama's first year in office, according to the Office of Personal Management. Combined with other factors, people are just not willing to put up with Trump and is rhetoric and actions just intensify their desire to leave. Elijah Cummings, a Democrat from Maryland in Congress, said, quote, The exodus of Trump senior executives from positions in the Trump administration is far more significant as a result of the administration's assault on federal workers, their pay, and their rights. In addition, there have been many reports of administration appointees trying to identify

and purge civil servants who are not sufficiently loyal to Trump. Arbitrarily resign senior executives and gag those who express dissent. Trump's actions are tearing a gaping hole in agency leadership, driving out our career experts, making our government less efficient and less effective." And you best believe if we hit 10,000 patrons, I'll resign too. We'll rejoin. I'll rejoin what it's over. That's... Yeah, I saw that question come through our inbox to you about what makes you different. Yeah, and it was kind of a fed, they're like,

why are you so different? I felt like attacked almost, and I'm like, I'm very different. I don't have access to the, I can't tell you where I work. I just can't, but I don't have that kind of like Roy Cohn access where I can just take documents off of his desk. So, and I'm also not a Republican.

I'm not like, I love this, I love the Republican, so we're not gonna kick them out because I want tax cuts for the wealthy and no healthcare, because healthcare sucks. So I'm gonna stay here and make sure that that happens so I can strip rights away from people but not say anything and try to keep everybody from blowing up, like that's not me.

Yeah, I think that question is more directed to like he said, Democrats that are actually in the White House right now Like why aren't they leaving? Democrats in the White House. Yeah, I don't think there's any Democrats in the White House Well, sorry by White House. I mean Congress. Oh Well, you can't leave Congress. Yeah, sorry. That'd be funny. I quit. Fuck you. Yeah, so sorry. You can't leave. What'll happen? You won't have a representative for your state. Oh, I mean, like, what will happen to you? Do you like jail for that or something? No. No. I never, I mean, usually when people resign from their congressional positions, what you can do, you can quit. Yeah.

The governor of your state will appoint someone to take place. Oh, okay. Yeah. Just like they did in Arizona when McCain passed away. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's anyway. I'm I'm I'm there. I want to stay there because I want to keep doing what I do because what I do is important. But I'm also now with this very unfriendly new terms of the Hatch Act, very unfriendly new terms of the Hatch Act, etc. It's becoming difficult to stay in my position. So, but I'm trying, and I want to be there for you guys. I basically, the whole thing, the way that I see it, is that once he's gone, somebody has to put the government back together again. And so, I want to be one of those people. Yeah. Even do you think people in the White House, I want to be one of those people. Yeah. Even do you think people in the White House,

I mean, at this time, White House should leave that are, that are, you know, his supporters, or do you think, I shouldn't say supporters, that are Republicans that might disagree, you know, like that guy did, or girl, in the op-ed. Do you think they should leave? I know we talked about it a little bit last week, but if I was that high up,

I'd be like, FU, I'm outta here, I'm writing a book, and then I would write a book. You don't think up, I'd be like, if you, I'm out of here, I'm writing a book. And then I would write a book. You don't think there's any chance of like, trying to mitigate damages or anything? Now, up at that level, you're just your political appointees, you aren't frontline anything. So you're, you're, yeah, you're not maintaining or creating anything.

You're just sort of there, I feel like. I feel like there's so many positions in the White House that are just there to make the White House exist. It's more bureaucracy than it is functioning positions. Yeah, and like you said, there are appointees, so they're already on his side, or at least so he thinks. Right, and that's what you would like to think. If I appointed a whole new staff, if I came in and appointed a whole new staff, I would expect 100% loyalty and there's not that and that's weird. But you know, it is what it is. Also you guys on Monday, Andrew Miller, do you guys remember this guy?

His contempt order was unsealed. So nothing sticks out there other than the prosecution asked for the order to be unsealed and the judge agreed. Andrew Miller is the stone aide who held himself in contempt of court so he could file the appeal to Question Mueller's constitutionality in a higher court, right? Right. So that's that guy and then the next day Miller asked for another day This is so funny. So he asked the judge for I need one more day to file my brief and when the judge asked him why he said I'm having trouble using word More evidence that the Republican should not technology. Just don't tech. It's bad. I remember Manifor trying to doctor his PDF, profit and law statements,

converting them to word documents, and then they come back all messed up. It's just like, don't just hire a Democrat. This may have an impact on his appeal because he needs another day to do this, but we don't have any additional info on that yet. We'll keep you posted, though. Then a judge ordered Bhutina to stay on jail despite the prosecution being wrong about her offering sex to another Republican operative for membership in a political group. And Jalice is going to go over that more later in the show. Then Pence said, good old Pence said in a TV interview that he would take a lie detector test.

Absolutely. I would take a lie detector test to prove that he's not the author of the New York Times op-ed. That is insane that the vice president, think about this. I don't know if you can rewind and put your mind six years ago, but the vice president says, I will take a lie detector test to prove to the paranoid president that I'm not behind an internal coup. Like, what the hell is going on?

Like, could you imagine Biden feeling the need to do that or Obama putting out any kind of feelers? Like, I don't trust this guy. Like, that's bizarre. And Biden's like, you can trust me. I'll take a lie detector test. Everyone would be like, what the F is going on? Oh, especially Republicans, you know they'd be like,

this is not right. But because this is so, because they've done so many insane things up to this point, we're used to it. So everyone's like, they really get it that. Flip in the script, yeah, I'm impressed. Please create such an atmosphere of fear. Yeah, of a fear and insanity, where that kind of shit is normal.

We all, like that in any other week or any other administration, that would be a huge, giant story, like gigantic, and here it's just a passing, oh, a pen study, take a lie detector test. And now onto the next story. Yeah. How the fucking lie detector test,

like the most unreliable tests also. Like, they have it, like they, I don't think they've watched TV since Perry Mason was on, but yeah, it's not. It's, it's, I can't believe they've even used those still. Yeah. I'm sure you'll have a very nice, unrigged lie detector machine to untouched by Russia. Totally. I'm not stepping on the thumbtack.

I'm sorry. I don't think he did it. I don't think he wrote it. Russia. Totally. I'm not stepping on the thumbtack. I don't think he did it. I don't think he wrote it. Mother. Yeah. We also learned this week that Trump wants to declassify the Senate Intel interview that that's the Senate Intelligence Committee interview transcripts of Bruce Orr and Carter Page.

He wants to declassify those. Trump does. This is clearly an attempt to try to discredit Bruce Orr. He is the top Russian organized crime guy at the Department of Justice. And he may, might try to allege that Orr cooperated with Derapaska in 2015, which he sort of did because he was trying to flip Derapaska.

He was trying to bring him in as an operative, but Derapaska declined. So who would stand to gain if the top Russian organized crime expert in the United States Department of Justice were fired and come to think of it, who would who stood to gain from the top Russian spy expert in the FBI Peter Struck to be fired? Who stands to gain from that? It's clearly Putin and the Russian mafia, namely Simeon Miguelovich. And that's who, by the way, is in, you know, the, the, he's the main kind of the focus I felt in the movie, active measures. And also of note, these attacks from Trump are coming after the treason summit closed door meeting between Trump and Putin.

So speaking of struck, it's, well, I kind of wonder, like, did they have a conversation where Putin's like, get rid of struck get rid of or because those are his two. Yeah, when you ask political of the enemy. Yeah, he is in his request. Now that's super conjecture. Yeah, it could just be because both of those people are investigating Trump. Right. And we're investigating Trump. And the reason they were investigating Trump is because he was hanging out with Russia. Yeah, or is higher upton struck, right? Or is it a different agency? But is he like a bigger deal in terms of whistle blowing on Russia?

Yeah, I feel like Peter's truck might be a little bit too small of a fish for food. But the entire, the whole Anna Chapman investigation in the 80s, he did the biggest spy swap we've ever had with Russia. So he's not a big deal like yeah Yeah, definitely is big he kept us He he basically was the spy hunter in the 80s and 90s. Mm-hmm. Yeah, maybe Putin wants us to think it's not a big deal

And therefore he he seems like he has no attachment to it But it could have been like a bigger scheme like a lot of this is a bigger scheme people think that like we're Not us put Mueller's just investigating this all of a sudden. It's like they've been, people have been on this for a long time. Like that's what active measures with, yeah, the whole, yeah, the whole scheme of it. Like the whole Ukraine situation and how this is just like every spine novel you've ever read is either going to be, is either going to be great Britain, Russia and the United States. Yeah. Those are, those are the three major.

No, I think the Dutch are coming into their own. That's just a separate show. Anyway, so that I just I just feel like all this is having after the trees in summit. I wouldn't be surprised. We need to get those notes. We've subpoenaed the notes of the translator in that meeting and we I want them. Also speaking of struck, Trump tweeted Tuesday that struck and page had texted about a quote media leak strategy.

Basically alleging they were conspiring to undermine him by leaking to the media. But the media leak strategy was a department initiative from the department of justice to prevent leaks. Like that was their thing. They were like, this is our media leak strategy to stop leaks and Trump's all look they were leaking on purpose Anyway, keep an eye on that because that's ridiculous Trump is out to get any and all Russia experts and I think Putin could be behind it conjecture I bet I you know if

If he's not behind it. He's at least in on it. Yeah, I'm not doing it for nothing I think about them more or less synonymously now, I think more is what it is. So it's like if Trump is going after them, it's obvious that Putin's interests are entailed in that. Right. Like, what are you doing in Syria, Trump? Whatever Putin wants them to. Yeah, which has been weird because he bombed Syria.

He's anti Assad, but when he bombed Syria, he bombed an empty airfield and made sure to call Russia the day before to get all their troops out of there. So it's like, are you really like, are you? Yeah, are you really? What about that whole wanting to assassinate a South, though? Like, was was that real? Like, because Pat's Putin's homie. He probably right then. He didn't know who Assad was. I was what I'm ending. That's right. He was like, he put gas on his own people, kill that motherfucker. And they're like, no, no, we can't do that because you owe Putin your winner. Oh, oh, he's friends with boot like I just feel like he just didn't even know. That's hilarious. He does learn a lot in real time, like on this five, which I would

too, if I were present. And when we get into the book, when we get into the book, there's a difference between, you know, not knowing and being like saying something and having all your advisors like Mattis say, that's not a good response. Here's why we can't rip up the Korean trade agreement. Totally. We need our missiles there. Will this just move on to Portland? We can't move on to Portland.

That's a 15 minute. It takes 15 minutes to detect a missile from Portland. It takes three seconds to, eight seconds to detect a different... He's different, yeah. And so he's like, but he still doesn't get it. So it's not just like, I'm sure there were a million things Obama didn't get, right? And then they had to tell him, and Obama's like,

oh, okay. But even then, Obama was still educated. Well, he accepted it. Yeah, that's you. Oh, all right. Yeah, do that. But Trump, that's why Matt has said he has the learning capacity of a fifth or sixth grader because he just he hears the information he doesn't take it any Doesn't retain it. Yeah. Yeah. Let's let's move the missile detection people to the country. It's trying to bomb. That's a great idea.

He's not right next to the country. We wanted to detect missiles in. He's not right next to the country. We wanted to detect missiles in. And so yeah, but they explain that to him. And he's like, no, he's still one who, well, I can't we, and so that's why Roy Cohn took that letter off his desk. Anyway, we'll get to that in the book. So if you're not a patron, check it out. We're going to be reviewing that.

Wednesday BuzzFeed dropped a major story on a series of suspicious money transfers after the Trump tower meeting and after the election. We've been saying here on this show for a while now that the Trump campaign, I think, agreed to pay the Russians for hack and release during that meeting, during the Trump tower meeting. Like, they made a deal. Like, you guys create DC leaks and a good job for 2.0, we'll pay you, especially since we learned that from the fusion GPS transcripts that Manafort took a note in his phone that said they could use Cyprus as an intermediary. Well, according to BuzzFeed, investigators are now focused on two bursts of banking activity

bursts. One happened 11 days after the Trump Tower meeting and one happened right after the election. According to the documents, money was moved from Russia and Switzerland Russia, sorry, Russia and Switzerland to the British Virgin Islands and then Bangkok and then a small office park in New Jersey and Aras Agalarov the billionaire with these up real estate guy with ties to Putin and Trump He is the pops her son. Yeah, I mean his kid. He used overseas accounts to filter over $20 million to himself and his son Amin and two of his friends, Amin's friends.

And I just think of like, if you watch Parks and Recreation, I just think of those two douchebags that hang out with a season sorry. That's so scary. Yeah. You know that you know I'm talking to the girl. Oh, ham here. Yeah, I can't even.

They do the startup company that's like the most lavish, 720 neon everywhere. Entertainment 720. Yeah, they have like basketball players just hanging out playing basketball. Pam like he's like, so you can give me $300,000 a day to just play basketball with myself. Yeah. Anyway, that's what that reminds me of. I mean, Agililarov, I think that that guy. But anyway, so his dad funneled $20 million into his kid's Emmine's account, and two other people who attended the Trump Tower meeting got paid too, Cavalazze and Goode Stone. It's Rob Goode Stone.

That's kick back to Jesse Egan. Thank you for it. It's cool that he has his own theme song now. Yeah. Even though he's a piece of shit. He's so gross too. Anyway, these transactions came to light after bankers filed suspicious activity reports. A Saur.

We've talked about those before. They filed these banks. When something weird goes on in a bank, this happened with Manafort's bank, where they let him $16 million. You know the guy who is going to make Secretary of the Army. They put these suspicious activity reports out. Vanders won, had a couple as well. And anyway, these suspicious activity reports go directly to the Treasury, which in turn

shares them with the FBI, the IRS, congressional committees, and in this case, Mueller. Anyway, beginning 13 days after the election, after the election, the Agalarovs bank account, and in Russia made 19 separate wire transfers to New Jersey, an account belonging to Amin Agalarov, that hadn't seen any activity since 2015. Interesting. So beans come true.

But some beans on it. All right, so late Wednesday night, in the wee hours of Wednesday night, at beans on it. Alright, so late Wednesday night. In the wee hours of Wednesday night, at least on the East Coast, the Senate quietly passed a resolution to hand over all Sam Patton testimony and documents to Bob Mueller. Everyone made a thing about this, but I couldn't figure out why. Like, I'm not sure what Congress would have, that Mueller didn't have already. But apparently, spicy files, who I love, you are my new internet boyfriend.

I don't know if you're a guy, but you're welcome. Point lover. Not, yeah, but like, no, fake boyfriend. Not even that, like, just, like, that's serious. Yeah, the boyfriend, he lives in Canada, you can't meet him. Anyway, he pointed out, or she, I don't know, spicy files is,

I don't know what the pronoun is. I don't know how you identify spicy files, but spicy files pointed out something new in these papers. And that is that part of the money filtered into the Trump inaugural by Sam Patton, remember when he bought four tickets to the inaugural for $50,000 and they did all that whole thing. Apparently, the origin of that money is Jordanian.

It's not even Russian. So we're keeping an eye on that whole thing. Apparently, the origin of that money is Jordanian. It's not even Russian. So we're keeping an eye on that for you. And I'm, you know, me and my new boyfriend will let you know if anything develops with that. But that's weird. Like now we're bringing, we had UAE, we've had Israel, we've had Saudi Arabia, Russia. Now we've got Jordan. Yeah. Not you. I know. God damn it. I know. Jordanian. We'll just say and you know I whenever you do things. I'm gonna call it Jordanian Offway Jordanian dude. That was so Jordanian of you. I wonder how many countries will be involved by the time This is all done. Well, I'd be the whole Italy Greece is continent just

All of Asia the axis. It'll be all the axis. Yeah. And if Russia succeeds, all the factions that they create within those countries too. That's pretty much anyone who's not in NATO. Totally. He's going to be part of this. Somehow I'll be involved. I don't know yet, but it'll come back to him. It'll be Jalicean. Yeah, it's the perfect crime.

Also, Wednesday, God Wednesday was a long day. You guys, Trump signed an executive order. This is important. This is important. He signed an executive order. This is important. This is important. He signed an executive order saying he would put sanctions on any country that interferes in our election. Given that he hasn't implemented any of the sanctions Congress voted on when Russia interfered

in our last election, this document is a giant pile of flaming dog shit pretty much. Not your idea, bro. Like, quote, I promise I will sign a paper. This isn't a real quote. This is just me. I promise I'll sign a paper, this isn't a real quote, this is just me. I promise I'll sign a paper that says, I might put sanctions on a country

that interferes in the election, even though I have a record of never doing that. And it's totally up to me to determine if they did or not, which they did, but it wasn't them, and if it was, no collusion. That's what I feel like it says. So shove your executive order up your ass. Yeah, nobody's buying it.

Bloody McRapist. I don't believe you. So Sorry Thursday I get I get a snarky when I have a little like a little bit of a cold. Yeah, oh, I thought I was you channeling your inner like Trump like Trump couldn't come up with something like bloody McRapist. That's true, but the way too cool for him. The passion is there Yeah, you're right. You're both passionate. When I do my Trump impressions, I get, I get, I think it,

maybe I just get panicked. You're like, you're at a rally. Yeah. I hate it. I hate myself. Thursday, the Hill reported that Trump is secretly calling mad dog, maddice, moderate dog, maddice, proving he's a joke stealer and a hack.

We decided, we've been calling him that since pretty much the beginning of this show. I remember it's more like moderate dog, Madness, but don't sing. And so I went on Twitter and I was like, he's listening to us F, me and the A, like shit. He knows who I am, everything, I'm gonna be fired. We're all going to die.

But it turns out David Priest actually sent me a message and he told me people in the beltway have been calling him that since Trump appointed him. So we weren't the first. Parallel thinking, it happens a lot in a sentence. It does, but I thought specifically, like certain words, like we're all comedians and we can tell when a premise is just,

you can kind of tell if somebody just came up with the same idea or whether they're stealing your joke because it's worded a specific way. I guess moderate dog is. That one's like a fair, yeah. That's fair. Fair game. Oliterations are very limiting to true. Moderate was a, but I love them.

But I will tell you, Trump did not coin that phrase. Yeah, I don't think he would have thought of it. His nickname just so lame. I feel like a moderate dog madduck, I feel like even though it's not the biggest singer, it's still too smart for him. Like Trump just says things like dummy. Like he just, you know, very stable.

So what happened, what happened clearly was that that name was used for Maddice after he got nominated by Trump, everyone's like, oh, what are you moderate now? Moderate dog man. And so that went around the beltway and eventually it got some, or Trump heard it somewhere and started using it. man. And so that went around the beltway. And eventually it got some, or Trump heard it somewhere and started using it.

He did not write that joke. I guarantee you, he does just a hack. He doesn't have a concept of moderation. Right, no, no. And he doesn't even have the tenacity of Carlos Mencia. Like the original joke, Stealer. Oh my gosh, that's so funny. Yeah, Carlos Mencia would sound more competent

in a debate. He'd been drunk. He'd come to that. Yeah, absolutely would. Wow. Oh yeah. I would love it with some more competent in a debate. You've been drunk. You come to that. Yeah, absolutely would. Wow. Oh, yeah. I would love to hear his take on the wall. That would be, you know what?

I probably wouldn't talk to him. But does he hide in shame now? And hack shame behind his own wall of shame? No, he came out on like the WTF pod and everything was like, yeah, I steal jokes. What? A few on famous hot money. He came out and went into hiding after that.

I want to say, yeah, yeah. Okay, that has been, you're right. I haven't seen him since. Wow. Yeah was a wild money. She went into hiding after that. Oh, okay. That has been, you're right. I haven't seen him since. Wow. Yeah. It's true. Although I've heard rumors that there's a separate light for him at the comedy store in Hollywood. And Hollywood, they have two lights.

They have the red neon light. When a comic goes up and their time's almost up when they have like a minute or two minutes left, they light. They give you a light so that you know that your times are almost up. And apparently they have that red neon light that goes on at two minutes, but they have a blue star. And if the blue star goes on, that means that signals to the comedian

that Carlos Mincea is in the house and you should switch to crowd work. Ah, I've heard this rumor, and I don't know if it's true. Oh, that's funny. That's so funny. I guess the kid reserves that for all hacks. I've got them, yeah,

but we're gonna see this, this blue star come on a lot. I'm like, when is Carlos Mincea in the house? No one's so funny. I guess it could reserve that for all hacks. I've got it. Yeah, but yeah I've seen this like this old star come on a lot. I'm like when is Carlos? We'll see in the house no one's telling me But that'd be interesting Yeah, and I've done the OR and the main room and the bellroom So and I haven't seen it like I only see the red neon interesting Yeah, I don't know if that's real or not if you're from the comedy store and you know the truth Actually, we know a lot of people who work there. I could probably just ask like Isaac Allen, or like, is that real, or Renee? Yeah, that would be a homie thing for them to do. Yeah, yeah. I think it's funny. If it's not true, it should be.

That should be punishable by the law stealing jokes. Yeah. I sound like Trump right now. No, you gotta work on a lot. To the death. My first 100 days. I wouldn't trust that. But that's a real thing. Also, guys, also on Thursday, the Kavanaugh vote was postponed for a week. Jordan is gonna cover the Kavanaugh news later, but please, everyone call Murkowski, not McCaskill. And Colin, I'd say that because I made a mistake in called Murkowski McCaskill one time.

So, call Murkowski, Alaska, right? And Colin's main. And anyone else on they, Alaska, right, and Collins, Maine, and anyone else on the fence really. We actually have three Democratic senators that could vote yes. Call everyone, flood their offices with calls, tweet at them, make noise, make noise. And if somebody on Twitter says, that's not going to do anything. Just slide right past their negativity and tweet at people anyway. Totally. It makes a difference, it really does.

I think so too. Yeah. It was also reported Thursday that 27 defendants in the molar investigation have banded together to form a joint defense group, meaning they all hang out and jerk off together like Paul McCartney and John. I'm kidding. If you're wondering why I said that, apparently there was a story in GQ this week where Paul McCartney was in an interview and he said that they masturbated together one time for fun, for giggles. Anyway, they all share information on the case to help each other out.

We've noted in the past that when people are getting close to a plea agreement, they usually pull out of this defense agreement. It happened with Flynn, member, and then when Cohen pulled out of his defense agreement, we're like, oh, he's gonna flip because Flynn did it. That happened. But speaking of plea deals, we had a felony Friday. Felt-a-ne-free-day. Yeah.

As Manifort flipped and began cooperating with Mueller, we all celebrate it this week. Oh yeah. This is huge. Uh, huge. It's huge like Jaina. I'll go over all of this in hot notes. So stick around for that. We're gonna talk a lot.

My whole hot note is this Man of Fort Flip and cooperation situation. Tears, I know. I did. I had a glass of wine. Yeah, it was nice. I sat out on the patio and I was like looking at the night sky or the evening setting sun going life is good. It's beautiful. It was. It was a moment. We've been waiting for this for a really long time. Yeah. I just want John Spurlock, the guy that went first out of this

podcast who told us to, I think it was, fuck us in the heart. Yeah. He wanted to fuck us in the heart. Yeah. Fuck us in the heart. Fuck you in the heart, bitch. And so we were lying. Oh, yes, bitch, yes, of course. So we were lying, said this was a witch hunt, obviously. I just want to see him personally right now. Yeah. What's your face look like, John Spurlock? He did want to meet for coffee.

He did. He wanted to test him on that. He tried to hit me up for a date after telling me to fuck myself in the heart. Like, he's like, you should get coffee sometime. I'm like, no. Strange fella. Classic misogynist.

We should not. And then, yeah. And then I could probably die. He could probably kill me for saying no. Oh, yeah. It seems like one of those guys, one of those guys who'll strangle and choke you and kill you for saying no to him. Absolutely.

On a lighter note, you know what I loved is when we found out that a man of war was flipping. You were so excited that you messaged us on Facebook and you said, Mueller is cooperating. Mueller is cooperating. You like made me laugh so hard. Did you mean man of four? Finally, we got Mueller. Yes. He does have cookie to crack man. We got him. Mueller's in our sights. He's have cookie to crack, man. We got him. Mueller's in our sights. He's going down. This old podcast has been a front.

Shh. Don't tell anyone. That's great. Also on Friday, other things happened Friday, but they kind of got buried under this news. A Democrat that Mueller referred to this Southern District of New York. Remember when we saw him at the airport and he was standing near a fuck face?

Yeah, yeah. A gate 35X on the way. Yeah. DT Jr. And anyway, he was headed to New York to hand off a bunch of lobbyists, Democrats and Republicans to the Southern District of New York for fairer violations. That's the red string is a foreign agent. And federal prosecutors in New York are now weighing charges against Greg Craig,

which is a great name. He's an Obama guy. And he works at the law firm. He works for Scadden, Arp, Slate, Meager, and Flom. Why? That's an awful name. I'm gonna say that again. Scadden, Arp, Slate, Meager, and Flom.

I just like Flom. Flom is the best part. Flom. Yeah. It sounds like a muppet. Hey Flom, how you doing today? I'm good, I'm Flom. Anyway, it's like Java the Hudson theme song. They usually just call it Scadding.

And if that sounds familiar, it should be. Because Scadding, well first of all, this would be giant because of the prominence of Greg Craig and the Scadden firm. And prosecutors are deciding if they have enough to bring charges against Craig and settle with Scadden because they wouldn't really bring charges against Scadden the firm itself, although you could, but it's hard to do that.

If you remember episode 17, remember our worst sound ever? Like the- Oh yeah. Like, and we had already gotten our sound together by that point, but we were recording in a kitchen with like 12 people. It was insane, yeah.

So in episode 17, that's the Vandersworn episode. Manafort solicited the Scadden law firm to write a negative report on Tamashenko to justify her being jailed. That was the law firm that whitewashed the report. And according to Vandersworn, Craig, Greg Craig worked on that report without filing as a federal agent. Skaden also represented Alpha Group in the past. That's the company mentioned in the dossier whose servers were communicating with Trump Tower

early in the campaign and chaired by Hermann Khan, Vanderzwon's father-in-law. So Jalisa, I'm going to ask you to play the clip from episode 17 and please pardon the sound quality. We were but a baby podcast at that point. So let's listen to that clip about about Vander Swan and Scadden. The indictment, this indictment alleges that Vander Swan knew about Manifording Gates getting a cooked report from Scadden law firm on the jailing of Tim Aschenko. So I just want to say on the jailing of Tim Aschenko. So I just want to say, this is a Democrat.

This, a Greg Craig, Craig, Greg, could be either. I think it's Greg Craig. Craig Craig, yeah. He's a prominent Democrat, an Obama Democrat. And we've said since the beginning, if Democrats go down for this, so be it. So be it, that's the truth. I am not so biased that I will bend reality to make Democrats innocent the way Trump

supporters do. So get on board. It's tough too. If we don't play dirty and then we let our people go, it is why I think sometimes things like this happen. But I still believe in democracy, I think we're choosing the right side. I believe in. Yeah.

If you messed up, if you didn't file as a porn agent and he actually whitewashed a Tema Shanko report on behalf of pro-pouting Ukrainians and men of fort, fuck you. That's awful. Yeah, it's really awful. I was a little bad divine. What he did too, that's also awful. It's very so.

It's very funny how the GOP would totally hang onto them. They would be like, that's totally freedom of speech. Yeah. That's, yeah, man. Yeah. That's... Yeah, man. These are the things that John Kizak has been warning everyone about. Really? I don't know.

He seems very anti-establishment. He is. I should say anti-government, that's not fair to put that on him. Of course, there's going to be the episode he listens to when I'm flippantly talking about his political views, but I just mean being very skeptical of government and what's going on, how it functions, who's pulling what strings. Yeah, the more we find out.

Oh, that's amazing. I want to want to talk about it. Also, everyone thinks that I just said John Q's Act for some reason, because I don't know. Yeah, not everybody. I like his system. I like his system. I think the system is great.

That's where John Q's Act and I kind of diverge, where I'm really into politics. But I mean, we might not actually diverge because I'm into the way it's supposed to be, not the way it is, as far as getting money out of politics and stuff. And I think he would agree. His democratic socialist, he's against,

he had a lot of problems with Obama, he had a lot of problems with everyone. Did it ever function in an a an ideal like you know Like was there a time politically when you feel like this is perfect No, not in my lifetime. I think Rachel Maddow said she likes the um the Eisenhower Yeah, the I'd our administration was really good. Yeah, this is pre-money and politics Yeah, I missed that one. And we also didn't have internet, like we, we can. Yeah, so is it better, Rachel?

Is it you wouldn't have a show? Like, maybe she would. Is it really better? Byers, but she gets to talk about it. So, true, yeah. All right, I'm sorry. No, go ahead. No, I was just going to express my dissolutionment

as a millennial that grew up sort of in the height of money and politics. Yeah. For me, definitely, I think I going to express my disillusionment as a millennial that grew up sort of in the height of money and politics. Yeah. For me, definitely, I think I'm more on the on the John Q's side. I feel very, very disillusioned. Super cynical. I just think the web of the corruption is this is bread so deeply, totally. And fabric of our government right now.

Well, that's where I am. That's where my husband is. That's why we were actually before we were Hillary supporters, we were Bernie supporters. And not for any other reason, other than we cannot have a debate about issues until we get money out of politics. You just can't. And that's why initially I wasn't a Hillary supporter because she's a money in politics person. And that's fine, being an established Democrat.

I'll take that, which is, I voted for her in the main same Yeah, but it's still not ideal. It's just the best that we were offered at the time I think she was extremely qualified true, but money and politics is still the issue So she's like it ideally you have but when you have two people who have money and politics you got to pick one exactly And I'm not even saying lesser the two evils. No, because she was I don we qualify yeah yeah so qualified to have a slanderer in the well I did notice that a lot of the people that I knew and the hung that I hung around with and myself included bought into a lot of the negative Hillary propaganda that came out of Russia yeah yeah that was aimed at Bernie Sanders supporters, specifically aimed at Bernie Sanders.

It worked, yeah, the Bernie or bus, Splendid was really good. It did. More than I think we started, yeah. And I hope that that doesn't come into play in 2020. The midterms? Oh, 2020, yeah, because the midterms, I think, were pretty on board, blue.

It seems like we're, yeah, I know I'm talking about presidential elections. Exactly, yeah. You know what, fight it out in the primaries. Totally. And great, but when it comes to, when you get a democratic nominee, don't turn your back on them because they beat your candidate.

Right. Big picture, thinking of big picture. It's just the way it works. You can't do that. Yeah. And like I've said, I will vote for a steaming pile of dog shit over Donald Trump. Like, if it's why there's no Democrat, why is that hard? It could be independent. I don't care. Because we can impeach the flaming pile of dog crap probably with less resistance than Trump. Like if it came down to it.

What, what? Sorry, it was just assuming that this dog crap would be precedent. Sorry. I went with it, I went with it, metaphor, pretty literally. Yeah, I got it. If there was a literal steaming pile of shit in the White House, we'd probably have an easy time impeaching it

because it can't tweet. Exactly. I don't blame you for already moving past it though. That's my bad. Wait, what? Oh, wait, this is a little bit of a lie. I love dark shit in the White House. Yeah, that literal pile of dark shit probably

contains less viral infections and all in-trimmed. Yeah, yeah. Probably contains less viral infections that are in this room right now. Oh no. You and I are pretty sick right now. Okay, fine. I really hope that our voices aren't bumming you out this week.

We just don't have a choice. We have to get you the news. We get weird for you. They're raspy and mysterious. Raspy, girl, stone. All right, finally guys, Emily Jane Foxx, love her. She works for Vanity Fair. She dropped a bomb on Friday afternoon saying,

Cohen is now talking with Mueller I didn't think Mueller would let him in the door But Cohen has now had a meeting with Mueller. She doesn't have any information on how long he's been cooperating or what they're where they're at in that process But we shouldn't be surprised by this because he was like a cat in heat flashing his but hold a prosecutor since July Like come on. I got info for you well here's my but the only that's how I my cats talk yeah most kinds are like that they know they're giving the but the only surprise here is that Mueller is talking to him at all like I said but we'll see if Cohen has anything Mueller needs that he doesn't already have and whether or not Mueller uses anything he

has because his credibility is shit would I wouldn't, if you put Cohen on the stand, Gates wasn't his credibility was shot. If Gates isn't credible, no way Cohen is credible. Fucking essential. That's fair, yeah. Fucking credible. I would, I'd bring him in though to see if he could get me any new leaves that I could go find credible evidence to back up. But like, I wouldn't bet all your, yeah, your, I wouldn't bet all your evidence on it.

Anyway, put beans on that. We'll see. He's talking to Mueller. It's essential. We'll be right back. Hey guys, thanks for listening to these ads. We're getting pretty popular these days and our ad card might start filling up, but you can avoid all of it by becoming a patron. As a patron, you'll get ad-free episodes, access to all of our premium content, including more than 30 past bonus episodes and our book club installments. You'll also get our weekly newsletter with links to all the pertinent articles of the week and my personal show notes. Finally, there are all sorts of gifts, like laptop stickers, t-shirts, tote bags, and our sexy Justice calendar. All of this could be yours for the low, low price of $1 per month through October 1st.

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Oh yeah, thank you. So, remember when prosecutors accused Maria Bhutina of offering sex in exchange for political access? I do remember that. Yes, well, they were wrong. So, apparently, this assumption was based on a three-year-old text between Bhutina and a long-term friend named DK. And according to court filings, DK said in a text to Bhutina that he didn't know what she would owe him after he helped her out with her car, and she jokingly replied, sex. So Bhutina's lawyer, Robert Discroll, or Driskull, said that the sex comment was clearly a joke in that Bhutina sees DK as a brother, friend-zoned, and it looks like that claim actually

holds up, though, because earlier this week, prosecutors said, quote, the government's understanding of this particular text conversation was mistaken, which is really just a formal way of saying my bad. So of course, Driscoll was super happy about the admission. He stated, I want the government's walk back to get as much coverage as prominently as their initial false allegation. But then the judge got mad at Bhutina's lawyers because they tried to submit a last-minute piece of evidence

which was just the video of Bhutina and Eric and singing Beauty and the Beast. And a super cringing music video. Did you see that, Angie? No. It's really weird. So yeah, they basically tried to submit this video to prove how in love Bhutina was with Alex.

Oh, wait, wait, wait. Yes, I did see that. It was awkward. Rachel Maddo played it. Oh my god. Yeah, yeah, and it's like making its way around the media sort of, sort of, sort of. Yeah, little, just tying. Yeah, they totally, overly produced video.

Just very strange. Like, even if you were in love with someone, why would you make this video? I was thinking. But along those lines too, like, just because you love this guy, doesn't mean you're not a flight risk. Like, this is such a... To me, like, it's a big mistake for guy doesn't mean you're not a flight risk. This is such a- Exactly.

To me, it's a big mistake for the prosecution to think that this was a sex joke. It's kind of misogynistic, honestly. Oh, totally. But I'm pretty upset about that, yeah, yeah. But this doesn't take away from the fact that she's a fucking spy. She's still a spy, even if she's not a sex spy. And the judge would be like, yeah, I'm not buying that. The judge was actually pretty pissed that they even made her watch the video at all.

She was, she was like, well now that I can't get five minutes of my life back, I can't she didn't say that, but she was pissed. Yeah, she's like, you guys are not getting points for this at all. That's hilarious. She's a great sketch out of that. Oh, totally, there's gotta be like a boutine

in the beast like parody, or like a porno, something. And you have to do that. Tailess of the time. Oh my God, she did look like me. I'm not gonna lie. but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, but you know, She probably loves attention. She just loves cameras, community loves Disney. She loves helping the Kremlin. Exactly, yeah. She's just happy to be there. Yeah, I don't want, but he looked in love. He looked in love. He's a sucker, do you see his eyes?

Oh, she looked, he's so in love. Dude, she's, you know. Yeah, he's a four. Yeah, totally. One could argue that the world has almost been destroyed by men who are suckers. Yeah. Yeah. As Trump would say to you. I wish I had a like a stone cold heart I would just take advantage of people like that, but like I just yeah, it's not in us. We're not you guys take advantage for good though

You know, we're not six. Yeah. All the ladies are doing shit like locked up abroad I totally love you so much cut with me to Columbia We cocaine and strap to your balls. Oh man, cocaine strap to your balls. It is true. So you can say go out of Columbia. Remember neutacles? Remember neutacles that we talked about? What if they were made of cocaine?

Oh my goodness. Cocannacles. That's funny. Oh, you'd have to have them surgery. See some accident happen. That's gotta be anyway to sneak drugs in a festival. Cocannacles. Wow.

Don't give them any ideas, guys. We're on the air. I Used to put them in my birth control pills because dudes don't touch they don't touch tampons I don't touch birth control pills. So you're like oh here. Do you want to inspect my tampon? They'll be like no we're good. There you go. Go right ahead. Very creative. I like that But I never smuggled drugs into any venue in my life. Yeah me neither on the record I'm never taped any ways to my boss. Yeah, me neither on the record. I'm not. I never taped any of this car because. Yeah. I won't even comment anymore.

My experience. All right. So basically, both the prosecutors and a boutinas lawyers are doing courts tomorrow Monday, because this episode is on Sunday. And yeah, basically, we're just going to see what happens. But they're going to keep her. She's still a flight

risk. They they're not buying the whole year in love with this fucking Trump story and that's that. Yeah. All right. Well, thank you so much for that. Sex buys. Yes, Goldstone sex buys this. I mean, she's not a sex buy this. So I guess yeah, we'll make that clear That's the moral of the article is that she's not a sex buying shame on the prosecutors for accusing her of that. But they didn't need to do it anyways, because they have sex spying. There you go. Yeah. I got it.

Has a nice ring to it. That is disappointing and awfully sexist. Oh yeah, yeah. In a way. But also, it would not be surprising. I mean, that's why I feel kind of bad as I believe it, because I'm like, I'm part of the problem. But also, they, I mean, really Russia is the problem.

Exactly. I didn't believe it too, but we are the kind of people who are like, oh, we were wrong. Yeah, so we were all our lives. Exactly, we're all human, the prosecutors are human, even if they are old men, men, men, old human men, old human people. Old human people.

Old's this white guys, you know, they're trying, they're trying. It is, I mean, I'm happy to admit when I'm wrong, that's please send me corrections. Yes. We'll take care of it. But at this point, we welcome the emails. We do.

Yeah. We always say no emails, but liberals love being accurate. That's like one of our flaws. Like our weak spot. We just want to, even if we're wrong, we want to be right. Does that make sense? No, we got to, as a make any sense at all. I think the problem is we're right so often that the other side thinks that we're full of shit.

Oh, because we're just right all the time. Yeah, and they're like, we're not buying that. Yeah, because we spell things properly. And if we correct ourselves, then yeah, we can have 100% accuracy in that sense. Well, right, but we correct ourselves so seldomly. Yeah. Because we're right all the time,

no kidding, I'm just, no, I'm just, no, but that's the thing is we are, but we can't that yes. Well, I mean, it's it's just like I just did We're flawed, but if we're willing to accept the reflotte then aren't we no longer flawed? It's kind of it's kind of like I'm humble as fuck yo. Yeah, like no, I'm that's Hard to be humble when you're perfect I think it's yeah, that's what we're all learning But we know we're wrong so seldomly that when we do say it no one hears yeah, yeah, and we're wrong right now But that's okay. No, well you are yeah, I'll speak for myself. I'm kidding. I feel like my mod is narcissists

That's my problem. That's aren't we all yeah? Well liberal start being wrong Then they will be right get it. Oh get it to thinker Get it nice right It's almost a public image limited thought You're like I'll show myself out That's the end of that joke. It's a perfect transition to Jordan's. It is.

Jordan, Jordan, you have Jordanian, the new Jordanian podcast, news stories. You have the latest on a Kavanaugh'sy. Yeah. Contribution hearing. If I'm called a Feminazi, I'm calling him a Kavanaugh'sy. That's just how it's going. But it be known Mollershiro does not think Dr. Kavanaugh is actually a Nazi. And we also probably didn't coin that.

Oh yeah, no, no. Yes. If Trump says it, we're no matter it. No matter it. This is a really interesting episode. I like it. Yeah. I can too.

Sniffles and coughs and all. Yeah, good. And bad jokes. I'm just going to say before I do this segment, I'm prefaceing it with an apology for my voice and sniffling. And so there will be dudes who are way into it though. Oh yeah, that's interesting. Yeah.

There's a, what is that rule 42, rule 34? Oh yeah, if you say it and someone's in two, like it's a fetish, if you just think it, yeah. I can believe it. So there's gonna be at least one dude. Hey, if only one guy is changed by this. Oh boyfriend's retainin' care of me. So he can't. Oh, yeah. I love the sweet ending to that porn over every. I thought you were talking about newness for a second. Oh, god. What's he doing? Nunez is dead to me. I need a new boyfriend.

You got spicy. Yeah, I broke up with Broady because, I mean, it's about time. He's been, well, I mean, now he's involved in sexual assault. Yeah, I was getting out of control. That was gross. And then I've got spicy files now. Spicy files.

And you're still hanging on to a boyfriend. It's John Qsack. Oh, dude. That's pretty cool. John Qsack looks like my boyfriend kind of. That's true. It's really true. He's got a boom box and he's completely Lloyd Dobbler.

Oh my god. Does he kickbox? Ryan? Oh no, let's get him to do that. The transformation will be complete. Yeah. Ryan is. Okay, anyway.

All right, so Judge Kavanaugh updates. He is still a judge, so I have to call him Judge Kavanaugh. Basically, a couple couple stories coming out. First story is gonna be in reference to some shit that went down in the early 2000s that people are saying he should actually be impeached for. Second thing is gonna be what we heard this week about allegations of sexual assault against him in high school.

So I'm gonna cover the first thing first. So nearly released emails have actually showed that what Kavanaugh was working with, and this is something that's also been asked to him in various public hearings and everything, so this won't be news to a lot of you. But during presidential George W. Bush's judicial nominees in the early 2000s, Kavanaugh actually received

a bunch of confidential memos, letters, and talking points of democratic staffers. These documents were talking points of democratic staffers. These documents were talking points of the opposition and they were not supposed to be seen by the other side. And it turns out that they were actually stolen by GOP Senate aide Manuel Miranda. If that name is familiar to you, like I said, that makes sense. Could he write Hamilton? No.

How would he write Manuel? Oh, yeah, he stole, dude. Yeah, it's a play right there. Yeah. Yep, so we're on to you. He stole a bunch of Democratic documents, also the script of Hamilton. It gave him the script of Hamilton, but this makes no sense to us. We hate this.

You keep this part. We're taking the rest. We're taking it. Nicholas Cajun on this. Yeah. God, please don't. So, so Miranda basically stole from the Senate server a bunch of research and talking points. And the person that writes the article that I'm getting this from that will include in our newsletter, he had actually written them, the author had written them for the

Senate Judiciary Committee, as he was the chief counsel for nominations for the minority. So this is a very reputable source. It's a really good article. Definitely it's from Slate recommend that you read it. Like I said, we'll put it in the newsletter. So receiving the memos itself right is not an impeachable offense. The issue comes that Kavanaugh has lied then and continues to lie about what happened with that. So he's asked under oath multiple times in 2004 and 2006 during confirmation hearings for his position on the

US Court of Appeals for the DC Circuit about whether or not he had received this information from Miranda. In each time he've also denied it and he sort of does this thing over time that Donald Trump likes to do where he says, I didn't see it, I never saw it, but even if I did, it would be normal for me to have gotten that opposition research because things are made public in these sort of proceedings. And that's just absolutely not true. He's so light about it.

That's crazy. And he lied about it. How do you go from, I didn't get any of that too, it's normal to get that. Yeah. Doesn't it sound like OJ's book, like, I didn't do it, but if I did, this is how I would lied about it. How do you go from, I didn't get any of that too. It's normal to get that. Yeah. Doesn't it sound like OJ's book like I didn't do it, but if I did, this is how I would have done it. You can't say that.

That's like, I didn't fuck your sister, but it's totally normal to fuck sisters. That's how we do. And it's how we do it. I'm like, mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Good. Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So an example of his perjury in 2004 Senator Orrin Hatch actually asked him if he had received quote, any documents that appeared to you to have been drafted or prepared by Democratic staff members of the Senate Judiciary Committee. Kavanaugh immediately responded, no, and that's the story that he stuck with.

Then in 2006, Senator Ted Kennedy actually asked him if he had any regrets about how he treated the documents that he had received from Miranda, those presupposing that he did receive the documents, and then Kavanaugh rejects that premise is even correct, restating that he never saw any of the documents. Sneaky. Yeah, that's what they always do that. Yeah, they're like, let me challenge the tribal stuff.

What did you do with those documents when you got them? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Yeah. They're what documents? Well, I took them weight. Yeah, you can't just, yeah. I think he was trying to catch them. Yeah, I would imagine so, hopefully.

Basically, if the documents are shared from the Democratic side as part of some sort of things that are entered into what they call normal business, which is what Kavanaugh claimed happened in the his most recent testimony, then why would they have been labeled, which they were, quote, not for distribution? Obviously, it's not precedent for people to distribute their research, their opposition research when they're trying to confirm a nominee. Another email chain actually included the subject line, quote unquote, spying. Another red flag.

Another email chain said, quote, Senator Leahy Staff has distributed a confidential letter to dem counsel and then prescribed, prescribed for Kavanaugh that precise confidential information we had gathered about a nominee Kavanaugh was boosting. So it's a logical to think that they would have just given that Miranda would have just given this quote, confidential information over to be used against the Democrats. At the time that all this went down, Kavanaugh was actively working with Miranda and outside groups to try to force his nominees through the Senate classic. I wouldn't have expected anything else. So basically, the thing that I'm just going to scoot along here because I want to get to the other part, but the thing that is so problematic now is that he's done nothing to correct the record on that.

He said, like I said multiple times that he never even saw those documents when there's evidence that he absolutely received the documents. And then on top of that, he's trying to say, if he did see the documents, then that would have been normal. It would have been normal to be shared. So that was, as in November 2003, when the Sergeant at arms actually seized the judiciary committee servers Kavanaugh would have been on notice that any of the letters talking points or research described as being from Democrats that were provided to him By Miranda or suspect and probably stolen from the Senate server. So there's really beyond reasonable doubt But it's very clear that he did nothing and he always tried to do is cover this up And he's light under oath repeatedly.

Yeah, at least four times and there's proof of it. People are arguing on, no, he didn't lie. No, he said this one thing and there are documents from him saying another thing. So yes, that is what lying is. I don't know how to explain it. This is what it's come to. When you are in such defiance of the truth that someone could say 1 plus 1 equals 3 and you're like, he didn't, that's correct, he didn't lie.

And you're like, well, how do I explain? Now you get down to the basic, like, how do I explain that 1 plus 1 equals 2 to somebody? Like, that's the basic. Exactly. That you're just, you have no argument. So it's when you're a bit hard to deal with. And then not only did he lie at the time that it was all coming out,

even after it came out, that Miranda absolutely did steal those emails and that those emails were stolen, he still said that he still lied. So he didn't correct himself when the truth came out, even though it's probably likely that he was lying when everything initially was going down and the truth quote unquote wasn't out yet. So, I'll look at that guy for every number one. Number two is something that I'm sure everybody's heard. There are sexual assault

allegations coming out against Kavanaugh, something that happened when he was in high school with a classmate. There was a girl from another school who said that they had pushed her into a room and turned on the music really loud and then tried to... let me make sure I get this right. I believe it was... Oh hey, should we do a trigger warning? Oh yeah, yeah. Now that I think about like what we're about to talk about, yeah that's a good idea. A trigger warning, sexual assault, if you have issues with that ear muffs. Yes. So basically a letter is surfaced that somebody, like I said, a old classmate of Kavanaugh's said that when she was drinking in a party with Kavanaugh in one of his classmates, they turned up the music really loud. That was playing in the room so as to conceal the sound of her protests

and that Kavanaugh covered her mouth with his hand, she was able to free herself, but she says that the alleged incident has caused her a lot of psychological pain. And she's actually sought treatment because of this and she felt the need to, you know, like a lot of survivors, you sort of grapple with whether or

not you should come forward with a story. And she decided that she wanted to come forward, but she made it very clear to the Democrats that, and representatives that she made the story available to, that she wanted to be anonymous, and she didn't want her identity to be revealed, which has made the revelation of this story a little bit difficult. Suspect almost, particularly the Republicans, and a lot of Democrats are like, why didn't Dify share this with us?

Why are you keeping this from us? And it's at the victim's request or the survivor's request. Yeah, so the survivor author, DeLedder, and said it's a California rep anti-issue, and then sheder, and said to a California rep, Anna issue, and then she forwarded on to Diane Feinstein, and then Diane Feinstein hasn't released it, and this has been causing a lot of public outcry because it's obviously constituents

who are wondering why she's not releasing it. Feinstein is saying that she's really trying to respect the survivor of the request to not have this release to the public. And before I knew what it was about, I'm like, show us the FN document. What is it? What is it?

And then you're like, oh, okay. Yeah, what happened to the document? Didn't she forward it to the? Yeah, she forwarded it to the FBI so they can actually launch or officially sort of put it in Kavanaugh's file and do any sort of investigating that they need or want to do. Oh, that's right, because they were doing the background check on Kavanaugh. They have to deliver that to the White House and they included that. That's right.

They included that in their background check and sadly it's up to the White House who is entirely people with rapists and wife beaters to decide whether or not they're going to take that into consideration sadly yeah and fine-steen said that she basically sort of came to the consensus with i guess herself just a party of one and everyone at the party says yes yeah i'm sure she talked to other people i know she did but but basically the consensus being that it happens so far in the past, it doesn't warrant really further discussion, which to me is kind of an offensive

explanation to give. I know obviously what was detailed is not nearly as bad as some of, you know, the other me two allegations that have happened, but that doesn't mean you sort of, I think, should decide, or at least she shouldn't say. She just shouldn't have said that because it happened too far in the past. It shouldn't be talked about, you know, as it relates to the content of his character, that's, I think, she should have just, like, kept her mouth shut on that. Right, true or not, don't, shush. It just don't say that. Right. That's weird. Yeah, I agree with you. You already had the out of the person saying,

they didn't want their identity to be refilled and didn't want to push it. You could have just left it at that. So I kind of think that was stupid of her. For our listeners who couldn't see me, I just made a big wild hand gesture and went a duh. Yeah.

Whoa. I had arms. It was pretty. Hey, geez, Bernier. Yeah. Hey, hello. You can't see me right now, but I'm doing It was cool. Yeah, hey, geez, Bernie. Yeah. Hey, hello. You can't see me right now, but I'm doing Bernie. Yeah.

You're very big. Oh. Socialism. Yeah. But the woman who's... Good impression if you can see the whole thing. Yeah, it probably just sounds really stupid. The woman who's the subject of the letter is actually being represented now by Deborah

Katz. She's a whistleblower attorney who works with a lot of me to survivors. Good. Yeah. But of course, that attorney has not responded to any request for comment. Fine seen. Finally released a statement on September 13th. She said, quote, I have received information from an individual concerning the nomination

of Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court. That individual strongly requested confidentiality to cliente come or press a matter further, and I have honored that decision. I have, however, referred the matter to federal investigative authorities. So we'll see how that turns out. I mean, it's, yeah. Did you see there was a letter signed by 65 women who went to school near him? Oh, yeah.

I like this guy's all right with me. It's an all-boy school, by the way. But 65 girls that knew him when he was a kid wrote a letter saying he didn't rape me. Like, not raping 65 people is not a qualification for the Supreme Court of the United States. Like I can put together a list of 65 people. I never raped. Yeah.

Should we just, I can be, now I can be a judge. Like that is the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. I got my 65, like they're gonna call it that now. Like you got your list of 65, 65 people you never raped. All right, cool, you're in. Yeah, it would also suggest that they were prepared for this allocation to come out hence why they had the letter prepared.

Yeah, how'd you get 65 people rounded up from the past, from that long ago, quote unquote, so quickly. That's interesting. Yeah, they knew this was gonna come out. Absolutely. It's also funny. You know what he did. Yeah, and yeah, I knew that it's questionable and then it was gonna be something that was gonna pop up. It's funny to me that his response to people saying he's a creep who's like, no, it's fun. Look at these 65 women I had contacts with. Right? Look at these ladies. They like it. Yeah. It's awful. It is But you know what it makes me think I could run for office one day With even though I have songs about blow jobs on the internet. Oh, yeah

I never raped anybody in high school. Yeah, so like and I've got I can get 65 people together that like me So I think I could run for office the gate is and blown open now for what you don't have to worry about it completely. True. Unless you're trying to make a movie, then you're going to get fired if you said some shit. But president of the United States, that's chill. All right, guys, thank you for all that info. Now we got a felony Friday this week. So smashing Rudy Giuliani's 60-day rule that Mueller must, you know,

shudder his investigation during the 60 days leading up to the election. Mueller was finally able to squeeze Paul Manafort into pleading guilty and entering into a full cooperation agreement with the prosecution. So in exchange for dropping five of the seven charges in the DC trial and any future superseding indictments, by the way, which we have been predicting would come if he kept pleading not guilty, but now they're not going to. Right. Unless he blows this cooperation agreement.

So in exchange for dropping five of those seven charges and any future superseding indictments for crimes of collusion, Manafort has agreed to cooperate fully with prosecutors, including handing over all documents and stuff they require, talking to prosecutors at any time, and the grand jury at any time, with no counsel present, he waived his right to counsel. I think that was to speed it up, to speed up the process, because he's in jail. And sometimes it might include, it says, going undercover, like like I can't imagine. Um, so interesting. Like, he wears a disguise and a mustache and I wouldn't buy it. Yeah.

He's kind of recognizable at this point. Oh, yeah. Although he kind of looks like number two from the Austin Powers movie. Well, that's true. But I was going to say like, we don't remember abandoning Arnold. So like maybe after a while people will freak it. Yeah, maybe like in a hundred years or so. Yeah, keep them on the low for now.

Wait, I don't want to give them any ideas. Yeah, so, but he waived his right to prosecution, which is interesting. And also in this agreement, it's still good before and after his sentencing. So it's like for always. And I can't stress enough the importance of this cooperation agreement. Maniford is the linchpin. We've talked about this and so has like Maddo

and Chris Hayes. Everybody has talked about how, you know, I mean, he's, Mueller's been handing off all these cases, the Cohen case, the, you know, to different prosecutors, the Trump organization thing. Right. Been handing everything off, but he's kept man-affort. Oh, yeah.

And I think it's just because he wanted to put the screws to him to get him to cooperate. Now, he finally has. And I mean, even if it's just to get what we really went on at that Trump tower meeting, that's still huge. Uh-huh. Yeah, I mean, it's insanely big and then, and Pence is involved. Like it's, he's kind of like the linchpin of this whole thing So I can't like stress enough

How important this is probably the biggest part the biggest point in this investigation biggest win for prosecutors to date Even when you consider popodopolis and Flynn and everybody else who's cooperating. Oh, yeah, this one is huge and And once it was out that Manafort was going to plead guilty We knew he was gonna cooperate because there's no way Mueller would have dropped five charges in exchange for nothing basically So Manafort will still be sentenced in the eight counts from Virginia They'll probably get a letter sentenced though now that he's cooperating

those are the eight counts he was convicted on And now he faces I guess it's probably about 10 to 12 years in prison. Wow. Which is a bad. Yeah, well, that's the better option though. You messed up. Yeah, and he said something about wanting to protect his family. I don't know if they're going to go into witness protection.

We have an expert. We're going to ask here in a minute. But I mean, that's a much lower sentence. Now, it's kind of also a signal to everybody else who's not cooperating, who should be cooperating. I mean, like, if you want, you can go to trial and we can find you guilty and, you know, you can go through all this or, you know, you can just cooperate. I'm going to get you. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. It's pretty pretty strong message. Anyway, you guys had a lot of questions about the Manifort Cooperation Agreement

and I wanted to get an expert on the pod to answer them. So please forgive the audio quality because he's joining us via cell phone. He's got a very busy schedule. It's a former federal prosecutor and CNN legal analyst, the host of the on topic podcast, please welcome Renato Marillotti to Mueller, she wrote. Thank you.

So off the top, we've been hearing teasers for a while now that Manafort was in talks with Mueller, and then Mueller snubbed him at first, or at least the talks broke down, but now he's got a deal that includes a cooperation agreement, and Manafort is apparently cooperating in two investigations and I'm interested in what those two are but I am also wondering, is this a full cooperation agreement meaning is he required to cooperate about everything

including Trump and the Trump campaign? Yes, yes it is. In fact, the Justice Department never enters into cooperation agreements that allow someone to pick and choose to cooperate against. Like I'm going to cooperate against this guy, but not that guy or on this matter, but not that matter. What cooperators are required to do is come in and tell the government everything that they know and by the government I mean here prosecutors tell prosecutors everything

that they know about all of the criminal activity that they've seen and heard and answer to any questions that they're asked and that's with this plea agreement between Manafort and prosecutors States. It says he has full complete cooperation on any and all matters that he's asked to cooperate on and that agreement says that it's asked to cooperate on. And that agreement says that it is the only agreement between him and prosecutors. So it is very clear that that is the entirety of the deal he has. Okay, so he has to and I read the cooperation agreement. And that's my understanding as

well, is that anything that they ask into perpetuity and not only that, but before and after his sentencing, and he has to cooperate and answer their questions without his own council present, which is kind of, I haven't seen that before in a plea, or at least in a cooperation agreement, usually they can have their counsel there. He has agreed to be questioned by the grand jury or by prosecutors without counsel. So just to be clear, I think the reason that that provision is in there is in order to speed things up because he is in custody. And bringing him out to meet with prosecutors outside of prison could take some time. So it's potentially that they're meeting with him while he's in custody. Or it's also possible that they were just, you know,

it's a way of not having to coordinate schedules with the defense. Now, he has the right. It says that there that if he changes his mind, he can request that his counsel presence and his counsel can then be present for particular interview. But what this shows is the time is of the essence for the Mueller team that they want to talk to him and continue downloading information.

One thing that listeners should know is that before getting this deal, Manafort and his team would have had to provide all the information he had to Mueller so that Mueller could evaluate whether or not it made sense to give him a cooperation deal. So we know he's given something of value. And as you point out, this means now that he's on the hook after he's already to not only

give information, but also to testify and cooperate in any way. And that's not just with Mueller and Mueller's team, but it indicates any other law enforcement effort that he's asked to cooperate in. So that would mean any component of the Justice Department, such as the New York federal prosecutors who convicted Michael Cohen and are continuing their investigation of the Trump organization, or could also mean potentially state prostitution.

Ah, yes, that question's gonna come up in a minute about state crimes as well. So any prosecution he would be required to answer questions. And I kind of like the idea that he has to be kind of at their back-and-call, which he has time to do because he's in jail still. I'm assuming because of the witness tampering and his quote-unquote flight risk status or his threat to the community. But so we have several questions from our listeners who tweeted at me to find out if they could have their Manifort questions answered. So if you don't mind, I'd like to go into some of those questions.

All right, so the first question is from Snarky Snowflake. And that person wants to know if the joint defense agreement between Manafort and Trump has ended because we learned Manafort's first proffer was last Tuesday and you can't apparently be cooperating and be part of that joint defense agreement. As we've noted, when Flynn was backing out of it and then a week later, he became a cooperating witness and then Cohen as well. That was kind of the cue when people backed out of that joint defense agreement. We were like, oh, they're getting ready to cooperate. So what gives with this joint defense agreement?

Well, that's a great question. So all the joint defense agreement is, is it is a kind of a written down way of formalizing the fact that there could be a common interest between two different people who are under investigation in this case, or sometimes in other cases, to be boo, have already been indicted. And it allows them to have a certain level of privilege when their attorneys are talking to each other. Here, the, so regardless of what's in the sheet of paper, regardless of whether or not it was formally terminated, as soon as Manafort started cooperating and started talking to Mueller,

that ends the common interest between him and Trump, because they have divergent interest. At that point, Manafort is trying to get a deal. He's working towards cooperation with Trump and the Crump obviously is not done Mueller's team. Now, if during that period of time between the announcement of the Manafort plea and, you know, the first, let's say, between the first talk, the first conversations between Manafort and Mueller and the announcement of the plea, if Trump's lawyer said something during that time period, I don't think it could be used against them

or revealed by Maniford's team, but that's a pretty small window. At this point, now that everyone knows that Maniford is a cooperator, that joint and common interest is terminated regardless of whether that's formally been done and there's no way that they would be able to maintain privilege in those conversations. Oh, okay.

So you don't actually have to formally quit the agreement. It's automatic once you start cooperating. So when he gave his first proffer last Tuesday, bam, the whole thing is done. Well, that's essentially that's right. I mean, the reason that defense attorneys do it, first of all, as you want to be upfront with the other people, you don't want them to, for example, just close something to you that you could potentially, that could potentially, um, make a potentially argue, you know,

you hid from that that you were cooperating with the government, they told you something that could be used against their client. So that's why you usually try to be very upfront about needing to exit the joint defense agreement. But regardless, I mean, they may have been out. We don't know what conversations occurred between Manafort, Stephen, and Trumpstein. But regardless of whether they were upfront or not,

the common interest between them is ended. There's no joint defense agreement now going forward. And all the joint defense agreement is there's a formal version of that common interest. And many defense attorneys, and I know on the defense side, we enter into joint defense agreements, but sometimes we decide not to do it formally and then you just informally have that joint defense.

So regardless, it's over now. Okay, and I'm sure there's probably a clause in that joint defense agreement saying, if if either side decides to have a different or uncommon interest than this is terminated, I would assume that language is in there. I don't see, I personally, I haven't dealt with a lot of these, but I do deal with a lot of contracts in the industry.

So I can see how that clause might show up. The next question comes from a couple people, resistance schnauzers, which is amazing. Stand up to fascism, Adi Wolf and Kim Mishke, they all want to know if this deal is pardon proof, and if there are potential state charges in play. And I think we also have to consider that there might be superceaning indictments for crimes of collusion that Mueller could bring up after that if that happened. There have been some commentators have used that language, and I don't like the language part and proof.

One thing I would just encourage everyone to do when they read commentary and legal analysis, is to really read it carefully, and if somebody's making very outlandish claims, to be very careful about accepting that is true. So what does it mean to be pardoned proof? To me what that sounds like is, even if Manafort is pardoned, he's gonna go for it and cooperate, no questions asked. And that's, it's the truth is more complicated.

Okay. If Manafort is pardoned, that's a good thing for Manafort. No matter how you slice it, even though Manafort is now in Mueller's team, if I'm Manafort, so of course I want to pardon. I want to pardon not only the president, I want to pardon by the governor of every state, right? I mean, you want them to be, obviously,

you want that to be removed. By the way, to me, one of the interesting questions that I think will eventually get answered is why the hack Manafort had this change of heart because up till now it looked like all he was doing was trying to get a pardon. He seemed like it was on Trump's team. We've had a very drastic change of heart. But regardless, if Trump hardens Manafort, could that affect his cooperation? Sure. Now then, to me, if I'm on Manafort's team, we've got some big choices to make.

Manafort is still facing potential state liability. That's out there. Now state prosecutors are not typically, they don't typically bring very complex white collar cases, financial cases like Mueller's team is brought against Manafort. Now, it's possible to happen here, but it's also possible that prosecutors in Virginia

aren't gonna be able to get their acts together to do that, or the penalties may not be as high. I'm not licensed in Virginia, I'm not, I don't live there, I'm not gonna give you guys any, you know, any thoughts about that, because I don't know, but I'm just putting that out there, that that would be one of my first questions if I represent in Manafort is, you know, any, uh, thoughts about that because I don't know, but I'm just putting that out there that that would be one of my first questions if I represent a manifold is, you know, how likely is it that he's actually going to face state charges is a practical matter not on paper. But as a, as a practical matter. And then, you know, the, the, the, the other issue for Maniford is, has he already, you know, he's told things to Mueller with I assume

at the IAG, he's present. He may have also made, given the grand jury statement. And if he hasn't already, he may do that very soon. And that, that when I was at federal prosecutor, we call that locking him in because he's under oath in front of the grand jury. So, so, what Mueller could do at that point is,, regardless of what Manafort wants to do, he could put Manafort on the stand, ask him the same questions he's already asked him, and then if Mueller, excuse me, if Manafort says something different

and lies on the witness stand, then Mueller could use those statements that he gave to the FBI or those statements that he said under oath against him. And he could potentially charge him for lying under oath or something like that. Now obviously then Trump could pardon me for the lie under oath and he could go on and on. I hope that that kind of absurd scenario never occurred. And I'm not saying it does. But what I am saying, I'm just trying to give everyone an understanding of the complexity of it. And so a lot of times people who read my Twitter feed or listen to on topic my podcast, they're getting sometimes me trying to explain a lot of shades of great of them.

And I'm doing that because I've had a lot of experience both as a federal prosecutor and defending people in complex, you know, criminal investigations like this. And I don't want people to be misled into thinking that the answer is very simple. Yeah. All right. So, um, yeah, I don't, I don't see it happening, but I mean, that would just be like another log on the giant pile of obstruction of justice, although it's very difficult to prove intent. I don't, politically would be optically very bad for him. So Edith Frost and Atklin Jenkins 85 and At Robin Rhodes are wondering if Manafort should

be concerned about Russian retaliation, like his physical safety for him and his family, because I think he mentioned his family's safety or as lawyer mentioned his family's family's safety As to why he was doing this or taking this road and if witness protection is an option for him Wow, that's a great question well protection of witnesses is a key thing for of witnesses is a key thing for people who are involved

in investigating crime. I, you know, when I was a federal prosecutor, my office had a witness who was murdered and we often had threats against witnesses. That's a common occurrence. It's not, there are various ways in which the safety of witnesses is insured. So right now, Manafort is in prison.

He can actually be kept separated from other prisoners as he insures safety. And I believe he is. I think that he right now is on his own. And then on the outside, you're talking about his family. Yes, his family can be protected if there's a credible threat against them. So there are different ways in which that's done.

Sometimes it's done more informally where they'll be moved to a different location, kept with whether it's kept the US marshals or with FBI agents or people associated with a program called Witsack, which is what people with civilians think of as what they kind of call a referred to as witness protection. That, you know, they can be protecting them or there is a more formal program called

Whitsack that somebody can enter into, but there's a lot of who involved in that. But the longest right now, there are measures that can be taken to protect family. It would be very interesting if that did in fact play a role in Maniford changing course. I think there's no question that Maniford had a very rapid change in terms of his legal strategy. And I'm interested in finding out what that is myself. Yeah, but it's got to be hard when you're Manifort. I mean, your face has been all over everywhere and everyone knows who you are and what you

look like. And then also, they're like, oh, well, in this cooperation agreement, they're like, you could be asked to go undercover. And I'm like, really, you're going to put Manifort undercover because is he going to wear a bag over his head? Because we all know what he looks like. That is what I will say to you, seven people asking if that is boilerplate.

There's a lot of stuff in these, like, you know, a journalist we're calling you as soon as that plea agreement was announced. And I could tell him certain thing to be in it because it's just they're all the same. It's standard, right? Standard operating procedure. Yeah, I kind of figured as with the asset forfeiture, which I'll get into in a second, but

I want to Okay, well, let's just get into asset forfeiture because a lot of my listeners are wondering First of all, at $46 million in property. What if first of all, what if they're mortgaged to the teeth? Is that does that debt stay with Manafort and the government gets these properties free and clear and can sell them for full price or do they have to short sell them? And then also, where does that money go? Does it go back to the Federal Reserve? Does it go to the Department of Justice and just hang out in their revenue bag of money and they can use it for, I don't know, other spending on other cases, Like I'm not sure.

Everyone kind of want to know where that money went because everyone's, you know, everyone's saying this investigation costs $28 million on the high side, but we just made $46 million in asset forfeiture, paid for itself. Woohoo, is that actually how it goes? Well, it's not quite that simple,

but it is a funny point. I was a federal prosecutor for almost a decade, and so there was a number of times where there were threatened government shutdowns. One point we had a government shutdown, and I remember that they shut down some of the folks doing the civil side of the US Attorney's Office,

not the criminal prosecutors like me, but some of the folks doing the civil work, and I thought it was hilarious because they literally make money for the government, they're people who collect, when there's, you know, whether it's forfeiture or collecting restitution and so on and so forth, they're the ones who make money.

So it's silly that they're not, they weren't out there doing their job. So yeah, look, there's no question that, at times going after white collar criminals can be a profitable venture. A lot of times I will say it's not. A man afford in some ways is maybe in the minority because a lot of times you go after people who commit fraud or do other things like that and they've spent all the money, whether it's on ostrich jackets or something else.

So a man afford at least has something left at the end, some significant amount of money and that's a goodich packets or something else. So, I mean, at least it's something left at the end, some significant amount of money, and that's a good thing for the United States. So, to answer your question, to start with, the fund is separate. It's not like it goes right back to Mueller, and it just is a flush fund that, hey, now we can hire more people

or get new computers or whatever. It essentially is going to a more general fund that's not accessed by him. If you're, I don't know exactly how it viewed within Mueller's team, but I will say the federal prosecutor went back when I was doing that, there were stacked kept on asset-forfeiture

by US Attorney's offices. It's something that was considered by the Justice Department in terms of, you know, the performance of United States attorney's offices around the country. So like, you know, the typical federal prosecutors, like the folks who have been investigating Michael Cohen and so forth, they're measured, you know,

that office is measured by their asset forfeiture. And it's considered an important mission. I will tell you most, that office is measured, not either, they're asset forfeiture. And it's considered an important mission. I will tell you most, inside this ball here, most federal prosecutors are way more concerned about prison time than they are about asset forfeiture. I'm their concerned about getting the bad person in prison. And usually on the defense side, they know that they're gonna lose those stuff anyway.

So they're happy to, they're more concerned about prison time as well, but it's important. And I'm trying to think, what was your other, was there anything that I missed there? Yeah, what if these properties are all in debt? What if they're all mortgaged? Yeah, and it's funny, I've represented a lender who had properly forfeited one time, not in private practice. So essentially essentially the government steps into the shoes of Manafort. So just so we're clear, as the forfeiture is a way for the government to obtain property that either was used in criminal activity. So let's say the criminals are using a get a really fancy getaway car or Right or if he if we was able to buy the property using his ill gotten gains for money laundering

So you know you got it exactly right or for whatever else He took tax proceeds that he should have been sending the government and using the buy something else So they then the government essentially can take that get it It it becomes essentially the owner of that property, and then they have to deal with whatever leans are on it. Okay, so they become the owner of the debt as well. So if this $46 million in property has $45 million and mortgages on it, there's only a million dollars

then net and asset forfeiture. Now that's right now, I will say there's some complexity there because if the federal government believes that the lenders entered into the loans with some sort of fraud or some, there's some problem in terms of the loans themselves, the government could push back against the lenders and say, this loan is invalid because you knew

when you gave it to him, you know, that whatever, you know, there's some fall city on the on the documents are so forth. Okay, that makes sense. And let's see, finally, man vs playlist on Twitter wants to know if the plea deal includes Manafort getting one or both of his sweet ostrich garments back, insisting that the country deserves to know. That's hilarious. I, you know, for, it would be, there'd be some point of justice

about Mr. Manafort wearing the ostrich jacket when it gets sentenced, prison. But unfortunately for that, for comedy writers everywhere, those ostrich jackets are going to be owned by the federal government. Oh, so they're owned by the people now. So this is our Oster's jacket. I think it will be because he's going to owe a lot of restitution as well. So whenever's not covered by forfeiture, uh, is going to, uh,

which petitions, he's got to pay back the money that he's steady stole, essentially. So, uh, I suspect that we're going to end up the public one of getting those one way or the other. Excellent. You guys hear that? We all have a brand new ostrich vest and ostrich jacket and a three-quarter sleeves python coat. So we're all very excited about that. Well, Ronata, thank you so much for joining us. Where can people find your podcast? So you can find it on most popular podcast platforms, Apple podcasts, Stitcher, Spotify, etc. It's called on topic with Renato Marriotti. All right, well, everyone, former federal prosecutor and CNN legal analyst, Renato Marriotti.

Thank you so much for joining us today. And before I wrap up, guys, before I wrap up the Manafort story, there were a few other things I wanted to address. First, part of the criminal indictment was a foreign-funded and bizarre effort to smear a former Obama cabinet official as an anti-Semite back in 2012, because this US cabinet member was anti-Jana Covitch and pro-Temishenko. And it's clear, though it's not mentioned, the name isn't mentioned, but it's clear that this cabinet member is Hillary Clinton. This seems to be our first clue into crimes of collusion and how it might tie into the 2016 election.

And finally, what do you guys think? Well, Trump resign over this. Lots of folks. There's a lot of rumors going on right now like Ron Howard, the great filmmaker and like all these other people who have rich friends that know Trump or close to him at his golf club or whatever or in the White House are saying he people are telling him to resign and Bookies in Vegas have put the odds at six to four now It's it used to be it used to be eight to eight one or something. It's six to four now So I don't know. What do you guys think? Do you think he might actually resign over this? I don't think so I will I wish he would but I don't think you

Well, just stay as long as you can hear the dogs The dog thinks he will resign. I feel like they want to chime in on this You are very multi-talented really so I would not but pass you that you can speak to dogs It's funny. They're going crazy. They're losing their mind. They really are. I don't think we'll be wet down anytime soon. Yeah. I hope you guys can hear that. We're going to just keep going. Anyway, continue. What

were you saying? I just don't think he'll leave. I think he's too proud. I think his biggest weakness is the fact that he thinks he's the smartest man in the room. He's too narcissistic. Yeah, he won't let it go without a big fight. Remember the dog in the bone? Remember that, Fable?

Mm-hmm. Yeah, no, the dog's bone, and then he sees the bone in the water, and he drops, and he goes to get the bone in the water and he loses the bone, and he's fucked. Actually, that has no relevance in what I'm talking about. Narcissist. Narcissist, you're right, people who are that way, they're, their ego, they just won't let them resign, right? I think I'll barricade the White House before he leaves.

And you're welcome for the dog in the bone story, which is not relevant. That's a little bonus concept for the non-miss. Oh shit. I'll show myself out. You did it again, Aisha. I agree with you, Julie, so I saw you put that pull out on our Twitter aging and I voted no on it.

I don't think he will resign for the same reason. Yeah, I mean, he is all too full of himself. And we started reading fear this week, Bob Woodward's book, and holy shit, he is the most ridiculous person. He's the biggest truth in higher. Like any, and he just he completely Runs from the truth that is that is what he does It's him in that very moment. Oh, yeah, hopefully like it's nothing

He does not have a fucking ounce of self-awareness. There's no way that dude is resigning Yeah, which makes me nervous because it's like for Mueller to rely on precedent and just issue a report It's like I don't fucking know how that's gonna work because if Congress doesn't impeach him, also yeah, I don't know. And he would be smart to resign because if he resigned, he could get out of this and Pence could give him a full pardon. Like Ford did to Nixon.

Nixon knew that. Literally his only way to get out of this without an issue. And he won't do it because I think, and I agree with both of you, I think he won't, I think his ego will get in the way. Anyway, guys, thank you so much for all of that reporting. And, wow, what a crazy week. We'll be right back.

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because I wish I always had Mana for it, but I didn't, and it would have been a good one. I'm just gonna keep Kushner, Junior. Oh, I always forget who that third one I have is. Cohen, Bettina You know what is she gonna get any more this a trial count like as an extra? No, she has to have more more charges. I don't know if she but she pleads Yeah, you know what you could actually call it Bettina plea agreement. I was gonna say yeah

They're they're due on Monday, so I'll thermo Bettina in there. So that's for plea agreement or charges I'm Monday so I'll throw a bit of a routine in there so that's for plea agreement or charges. Um, um, um, ooh, charges. All right. Yeah. And uh, and then a random. That was weird. All right. Everyone, all right. I hope with our weird low sick voices. Okay, I'm going to do cushion or DTJ, Trump org, and then two foreign entities. Antities. Antities. Humidities? Yes entities. Antities. Antities.

Humanities. Yes. Humanities. Antities. Excellent. All right. So those are our picks for this week. All right.

You guys ready for sabotage? Yeah. And joining us today for sabotage is the co-founder of the Dem Coalition and host of the Dwarken Report podcast. He's one of the guys behind the filing of two ethics complaints against Kavanaugh this past week to the DC District Court. And a good friend of the pod, please welcome Scott Dwarken. How you doing?

Good, how have you been? Been pretty good. You know, democracy is slowly dying, but restoring it through justice is pretty tasty. I mean, you know, is slowly dying but restoring it through justice is pretty tasty I mean you know it's something it's something it was it was a big week for that so yeah I'm excited about what's next you know I am and speaking of what's next we wanted to call you because you're kind of one of the most knowledgeable people of all of these strings of the investigation and I wanted to know who you thought We're going to be the next group of indictments

Well, thank you very much. That's a that's a high compliment Especially coming from you. I appreciate it. I do You know, I would say that up up next first is an obvious choice and that that'd be Roger Stone I think that he's gonna get indicted uh... you know in the next uh... i'm not gonna give a timeline because i i don't i don't know how short it can be from now uh... but i would say next week or month

uh... sorry do you think uh... do you think he can be indicted without andry millers testimony yes i do i think he can i think they have enough evidence against him already can be undided without Andrew Miller's testimony? Yes, yes. I do. I think they have enough evidence against him already and enough people testifying against him to be undided. All right.

Good. Yeah. That's what we were thinking, too. So I put snow on my team this week. So who you got next? Good call. There's a good call. You know, two other obvious ones, especially with Maniford flipping. And so this is a, I would say a given Kushner and Don Jr. both I batched in the gather because

it's probably going to be relating to the meeting and Trump tower and the aftermath of that and Jared's involvement on that with Don Jr. And so those are my top three choices. I'd say now I've got two surprises coming up, so brace yourself. All right. All right. The fourth person I believe is Ivanka Trump. Is that because of the Trump organization's involvement in the Cohen payments?

She's involved with every single thing that it involves Russia, every single thing that involves the Trump organization, everything that involves the Trump foundation, and she's the only other person besides maybe Don Jr. that is connected to everyone and everything besides Donald Trump himself. And I think that it's going to be probably pretty clear very, very soon how in trouble she is. And so that would be my fourth pick. I know people think that that'd be like a PR disaster for Moeller or something, but I think when it comes out that she's basically a mafia boss,

it's clear that obviously she doesn't care about children she doesn't care about anything else going on cabana the nomination she's not influencing the White House in any way I think that you know she's gonna be she's gonna be the fourth on that list and do you think don't get it for everything including like her that azure by johnny hot hotel that she was all mixed up in and pretty much everything. Trump Soho, Arizona, Illinois, she's going to be tied to all of that. And then, Isaac Bajan, Ukraine work as well, because, given mine, you know, Donald and her went to Ukraine to do business there. It went maniford was working there. All right, so who's your fifth surprise? I didn't have her.

I had the Trump organization. So I'm actually going to replace. I had DT Jr. and Kushner and Stone. Those were my first three. And I'm going to replace the Trump organization with Ivanka because I put the Trump organization knowing that it's rare that an entity or a business would actually get charged to choose the executives in that business. So I think that's why I'll switch that over to Ivanka. And who's your fifth? This is an interesting one here because it's weird. I have it between a couple people that I had to choose. But my number one choice here, I'm going to have to choose between the

three. And I can tell you how all three, but my top one out of those, I'd say, is going to be Charles Kushner. Is that Kushner's dad? That is Kushner's dad. And he, you know, we've, we've found that he actually is serving. It seems more of an advisory role than we ever thought. He's been to many White House events and we have a month video there with their brother Joshua Kushner and who was in Russia around the time of the start of the campaign with the wives of the different oligarchs and we have video and pictures of that as well.

But I think Charles Kushner was involved with all of this. And I think he also was, he was a year europe around the time different different times in belarus and uh... other other places around the time that this was all going on and uh... he obviously is a criminal so i don't think that that uh... i don't think anything's changed in that family uh... the backup the backup three

which is an interesting one because i don't credit them as the same kind of line. But you know, Nunes, Rorobacher, and Hannity, those are the three that I would keep an eye on. Those are the three that I keep an eye on as to investigations being announced against them that they've been probed the entire time and that the fact that they probably committed some crimes. Yeah.

We definitely have them on our roster, but I hadn't brought me into play yet. I was kind of waiting for basically the collusion dominoes to start falling, if you will. And I realize collusion is not a crime, but there's like 900 crimes that can be in the in the Rosenstein's memo. He says as a Department of Justice representative that there are crimes of collusion that are going to be investigated So I'm that can be a whole host of any number of things Yeah, I'd say that you know collusion is a crime in the way that we're defining it because The law that will be broken is conspiring against the United States, as you know, obviously. But I think that's a Trump trap. So what I say nowadays is, yeah, collusion, he colluded, it's illegal, and the law he

be charged with breaking is conspiring against the United States. Because I don't want him to win that collusion argument. I don't want to have to define it every single time. And yes, at the same time, he did, he colluded or whatever you want to say. You know, or you can simplify it and say, did he work with, it was the knowledgeable of, did he assist, did he let it happen in regards to Russia attack the United States? On top of that, did he, with his company conspire against the United States on top of that did he with his company conspire against the United States without Russia? Did he conspire against the United States with his family? Did he conspire

against the United States with his foundation? Did he conspire against the United States with his campaign? And I think those are the key elements as well because those, you know, I think there's one common denominator here. A lot of people are getting charged with conspiring against the United States. And whether or not it's with Russia may not matter because again, if they're plotting, criminal plot, knowledgeable committing a crime against the United States

and that can be conspiracy without Russia involved. Yeah. You break it down to what, I think it's Section 52 of the US code, 30121, Section 30121, and you can't work with a foreign entity to get anything that is of value, and that's a felony, right? And then also a felony, which a lot of Trump supporters don't realize is knowing that a felony happens and not doing anything about it or not reporting it

is misprision, I think, and that's also a felony. Right, not being knowledgeable about it. And so the corroborating evidence as in the testimony from Maniford, I think one of the most important things from that would be in that case, his knowledge and the fact that he knew and Cohen agrees with that. And eventually, you know, these are criminals now.

So it's hard to take their word for it. It's hard for Jury to take their word for it. But I would say, you know, as you get these, as you get dozens of people who flip on them, dozens of people who interviewed and said, yeah, he knew about what was going on. He drafted that Don Jr. letter to obstruct justice.

There's just so many things. The great thing I think is going to happen is Mueller will lay it out, potentially not in just one report, potentially in multiple reports laid out in a timeline and laid out different crimes that Trump was involved with that implicates some and recommends impeachment with every single report. But we'll see what happens. I hate saying that because that's what Trump says. We'll see what happens.

You know, and it's like, okay, so he's just going to do everything he can to rip everybody to shreds. But I think we're in store for the, you know, I think it's going to be a whole gauntlet between now and the election of making sure that it's very, very clear, you know, everything that he's done from, I guess, starting to run and before then has been running a criminal enterprise that has helped monitor over a billion dollars for a Russian government and related entities of the rushing government military. Yeah, and apart from writing a report or a recommendation to Congress or

whomever he turns it over to based on what Rosenstein says, he can speak volumes in upcoming indictments. He can lay it all out in a quote like what they call a speaking indictment and and it would be there. That is another way to report it to the public Right, and he could also present his findings, you know, like other other folks have publicly he can start speaking About different matters and you know keep in mind who would have flint flip on you know who who are these people that he's tattling on it's not and how do you get connected to the russians in the first place you know i mean uh... that these are there's a lot of questions

here as to what these people are saying i think pop a don't pull is told more than we think in that we know obviously he did uh... one thing that ronato mar Marriotti and CNN analysts told me today is that Manafort has already told Mueller everything he knows. You think? I know they had their first proffers session on Tuesday. You think it's all out there already? He's a former federal prosecutor. I would take you. I'd take his words. I'd take you with a grain of salt as you would anybody, but he was very certain that, you know, they're not going to move forward

without, with a deal or anything without having everything on the table already, the evidence and the corroborating testimony as well. But I just don't that surprising and that'll be in our podcast of Monday or tomorrow. Good point. Now it'll be in my podcast on Monday. One last quick question for you before I let you go. What's going on with Pence? Because I mean a lot of my listeners, let's see, we've got Atma Kenna 999, we have Atunterscore radiator cat at Kevin Corcoran and the real Mike Rudd and Romney T. Marino just to name a few. They're all asking me now that Manafort's cooperating, what's going to happen to Pence? Well, Pence has his own Russian ties, but I don't think that it involved the campaign

and things like that. It may have been more like a set up because it's through religion, the Russian Orthodox Church and whatnot. I think his biggest problem right now is going back to that being knowledgeable of. And the fact is, on November 17th, I submitted to the DOJ, I believe, a complaint on him for being, or no, on Flynn. And what we did is we certified it in Senate to, to Pence as well, because he was, he was helping to run the transition that was starting up. In tandem with that, Congressman Cummings sent a certified letter from Congress directly to Mike Pence

alerting him that Flynn was paid by the Russian government and was a working agent, an unregistered foreign agent for the Russian government. So Pence doesn't have that paper trail is rock solid. He had to have gotten it delivered. There's no way he wasn't aware of that. And so being knowledgeable of that beyond the pale, I mean, like he really, there's a lot of evidence that implicates him for knowing that Flynn was a foreign agent for Russia and then they hired him anyways. and he was cool with it. And he lied to the American people multiple times about it.

And there's a lot of different instances as well where he's where he's lied. I think if I'm in the White House right now, I'd be most nervous if I'm Mike Pence and also most excited. It's like a combination of things. You know, what's Donald going to do next, but at the same time, like in my next to be thrown under the bus, if he thinks that I'm trying to make a move or he thinks that Republicans start turning on him, you know, is he going to try and bury Mike Pence and push him out the door? I would assume that Donald would do that before Donald goes down himself. But yeah, Pence is more corrupt than, you know,

we need to stop thinking of people like Pence and Kavanaugh Soft spoke and white dudes, you know, we need to stop thinking of them as you know any kind of peaceful Peaceful people these are radical these are people that have radical views and They don't align with most mainstream ideologies in America. And they're very conservative, right-wing viewpoints. And so, you know, if we talk about who's running the government, who's locking kids and cages, who's doing all this stuff,

and the legislation, who's working with the Senate and the House, that's Pence. And so Pence is quarterbacking most of this legislation, or not legislation, most of this legislation or not legislation most of this horror that's going on in the border most of the any legislation that's getting passed and Trump's just acting as the clown deflecting everything else. So I really think that at the end of the day we're going to find out how how evil Pence has become and how evil he's always been because this all started

way back in the day especially with tea party stuff pants is one of the bigger pushers of all this nonsense and he just remains oh i don't know really no much about that and so i i just think that he's gonna be exposed i think he's gonna be exposed and it probably be by donald if not uh... by muller alright well i am definitely going to update to Kushner, Kushner, Donald Trump Jr. Ivanka and Stone. And I really thank you for coming on today.

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I got it. So it's a business pills. I got this person actually likes a podcast, but she said funny things. Or he, oh wait, no. Well, I don't know. OK. Chrissy Viet.

Yes. Yes. Chrissy Viet. We don't know her, hisissy Viet to do something. Yes, Chrissy Viet to do something. We don't know her, his pronoun. Yes, title, yes, they say. The title is great. Stop with the stupid music. I really, I really like the podcast.

It provides an important information that I want to know. However, you play that stupid music from that stupid game show while you're giving the important information. It's irritating. I can't hear what I want. And it takes away for the importance of the information. So quit playing the stupid music stupid. Mom, is that you? What music are they talking about? I tried to play the game show music. Yeah. The NFL music, like, the whole idea is that they don't like when we take

serious topics and just put anything, even the law and order one, like just game shows, TV show music. I thought maybe she was talking about the girl from Ipanema. Oh really? Is that a game show? No, it's pretty serious. Yeah, I didn't even know the origin of that one. No, that's the girl from Ipanema.

That's not a game show. I mean, I could see how you could think it would be a game show. Maybe she's listened to episode one where we played the Jeopardy music in the background. Oh. That could be what she's talking about. Yeah. Chrissy, get past episode one.

Get past episode one is very important. One point. But thank you for listening, if you're liking it. Yeah, we're on 46 season two. Just, I always forget that. Yeah. I feel like people will get bored if we didn't have sound clips though.

Yeah. I feel like as well. But this week I want to start, I want to take out that channel change. Oh, yeah, we got a lot of things. Oh, yeah, entirely. Let's remove it. Oh, yeah. I've gotten two complaints. Yeah that'll do it.

That's enough for me. Well there's a whole thread about it. Did you see? There were very split on our on our Patreon group. Oh cool. If you want to get in on the juice of juice. If you're going to miss a sound just just look it up on YouTube. I feel like. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're going to take that sound out but then somewhere in the episode we're going to hide a really loud one. Just like randomly and then it's Yeah, he's gonna wipe your face machine. We're gonna take that sound out, but then somewhere in the episode, we're gonna hide a really loud one. Just randomly. And then it's gonna scare you.

And then we're gonna go, no, we're not gonna do that. We're gonna take the sound out. Don't worry. Any other bad reviews that we got this week? Oh, you know, I think that's it for, yeah, for this past couple of weeks. But hey, guys, keep it coming.

Oh, sorry. We did get an email about someone, oh, remember the email from the person that really didn't like her giggling? Yeah. Yeah, that happened. Oh, yeah, quick giggling. But then they were like, no, I really love the podcast.

I didn't mean to offend you. And I'm like, well, we're comedians. And women laugh. And I think they were like, oh, here's one. She said, oh, it doesn't come across. This one's called op-ed writer. That's their name. Oh, yeah. A.G. versus panel. They gave us four stars. So here's their complaint. A.G. is great, but her colleagues are less informed. This is true. Yeah. Got me there. I do 25 to 40 hours of research a week.

Yeah. I'd like to, yeah. If you guys had the time, I'm sure you would, but like the whole idea of the smoke and weed, I just, I don't know if I can squeeze it in, really. The whole idea of this podcast was to have you guys on and like, so that you would ask questions of me and I would answer questions because you guys would have the same questions as the rest of the universe would have, right? Like that was the initial.

Remember when we first started the pod? And I'm like so you guys don't get to all researchy, just be yourselves and ask me questions. I'll answer the questions because that's what people want. Yeah, yeah, we represent the people. So that was kind of the whole idea, but now we're all super informed. Yeah, we are always been in a politics too So unfortunately, that was always going to be harder. Yeah. Yeah. True, true. Yeah. Well, we lost a star. That was a four star review. Yeah. Yeah.

I could have been a perfect score there. Hey, we're human. Yeah. I was. I was. Ranteed. All those stars. That was over the Malcolm dance interview. Fantastica. That sounds like, okay. Yeah, they're trying to pit us against each other guys. Don't hide it here, it's a part. I like this segment where we just read negative reviews and laugh. It's very humble. This is fine. Yeah.

Yeah. We're so awesome because we're that humble. Okay, too ranty. I don't know. Three stars. Malcolm dance's rant was annoying AF. What I could tolerate on my first episode, who consisted of too ranty. I don't know. Three stars. Malcolm Nance's rant was annoying AF. What I could tolerate on my first episode, who, consisted of too much editorializing, not enough information.

I don't have time for a rambling podcast. We are actually pretty strict on our structure. Yeah, yeah. But okay. Hey, man. Yeah, you know what? You want NPR? Go to NPR.

They're right there. They really are All the time for free the icon is right next to apple podcast Sure, it's literally right. I got a fun one. You want to hear this? Yeah, it's three stars by baby dragon sister They say the subject is great info annoying delivery It's a I appreciate a G and think her info and context are fantastic Her side kicks jokes go on too long and are not that funny, and stop talking about beans.

Anyone ever thought it was cute or clever. I never did. I guarantee you, they are sick of it by now. Just stop. The info and inside AG brings to the table are interesting enough in their own right. You don't need corny jokes or forced profanity to keep our attention. Forced profanity and accidental profanity. Yeah, it's pretty natural. Okay, well let's take a poll.

You guys let me know. Do you want to keep beans? I think beans have taken a keep me in jolisa. Yeah, you were all replaced as with beans. Just a pile of beans. I wanted to do a magic trick now where I go like, like, like a blanket over you and I pull the blanket back and it's just beans.

Yeah, yeah. Oh my gosh. I mean, I think, again, I think these are fair comments that these people are making, you know? They can have, it totally makes sense that some people are gonna think that stuff and that's fine. Beans is completely stupid. The reason is, like, that's what the joke was,

is that it's completely ridiculous. Because people love it, I didn't think they would. So, I mean, this person obviously hates it, but I've seen so many people just, they love it. And it's shirts and things that say, and I'm like, I don't know if we have the... You either team beans or team beans, or team no beans. Yeah.

Their hatred for beans is suspicious. Yeah, they secretly love beans. team no beans. Yeah, they're hatred for beans is suspicious. Yeah, do you secretly love? Team you a team be know the self hatred is deep. Yeah, who hates beans? Actually, I hate beans now that we're actually on the topic I don't eat beans, but I love the food any vegetable or like exactly like just me. I don't discriminate I hate all Beans or all that cheese. Yeah, bring me meat and cheese Yeah, carbs. I hate all beets. Oh, that's easy. Yeah, bring me meat and cheese Yeah, carbs. I'm all about carbs Carbs meat and cheese. Yeah, which is amazing cuz Julie says by far like the most in shape First I know

It's so tiny when I suddenly die you'll all know why So many carbs and maintain that I don't even know I evolved Yeah, beach body everyone go to be no, I'm just Yeah, beach body everyone go to be no, I'm just Okay guys, this has been an insane show. Thank you so much for listening There was a lot of you know, just like they said in those reviews. There was a lot of Ginkering went on too long. Oh, yeah, absolutely I might have been some beans come back catch us I think it's either Wednesday or Thursday when we're gonna do The chapters one through three from fear by Bob, Bob, Bob, Bob, Bob, Bob, Bob, Bob, Bob.

Bob, Bob, Bob, Bob. Oh yeah. Bob would work. Yeah. Anyway, this would be a controversial episode, I feel. I'm curious to see how people react. You think why? I don't know, just because of the beans.

In the jokes. Yeah, yeah, there were a lot of jokes. I mean, the thing is, we are comedians at heart. It's strange how some people don't pick up on that. I guess we're not that funny. Yeah, that was the highlight of this drama, it's amazing. Yeah, just dead fans, just one sentence.

It doesn't come across. Huh. I was like, right, let me get a argue with that. Yeah, comedy is subjective. Fair enough, we are a news and politics podcast, dude, I can't argue with that. Yeah, comedy is subjective. Fair enough. We are a news and politics podcast, too. We try to keep, anyway. All right, I need to take a nap and some suit of fed

or some sort of. You get to, we got a picture of the painting, too. We got to put that out on Twitter. Oh, yeah, yeah. It's a pain in a painting of us. It's amazing. It's very, it's kind of, it's kind of, can see it now that I think about it.

Yeah. Yeah. You put our faces think about it. Yeah. Yeah. You put our faces on them out. Yeah. It kind of, it kind of goes along with that other review where A.G. is awesome, but she's just a little two into herself. Yeah, but you know.

And now you've put my face on Mount Rushmore. I take it as self-love, you know? I feel, yeah. Well, if a bunch of women actually believe in themselves too much, that's okay. I feel like we can maybe, of course, correct. We could rush here. We could can maybe course correct. The rest of the country will be hard the other way for a minute. Just a minute. I'm lucky I didn't talk about Serena Williams this week. I would have gone to off. Oh man. It's a whole episode there. Yeah. We might do a bonus episode. Let's do

a bonus episode on Serena Williams. You guys become a patron, you'll get the bonus episode, you'll get the book club, you'll get the painting picture in the newsletter, you get a million dollars, you get no, you don't get a million dollars. If I don't get it, club, you get the painting picture in the newsletter, you get a million dollars, you get, no, you don't get a million dollars. If I don't get it, you don't get it, right? So anyway, we'll be ordering new calendars too, sexy justice calendars starting for, because the old ones are from July to July, the new ones are going to be from January, just for next year. Very nice.

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