Jack - The Witch Hunt Trials: Manafort Edition (feat. Joyce Vance & Andrea Chalupa)

Episode Date: August 13, 2018

Ep #41 - This week, Jaleesa gives an update on 666 Fifth Ave, Jordan gives an update on Nunes, and AG breaks down the latest on Manafort’s trial. Also, we’ve got incredible interviews with Joyce Vance (MSNBC Contributor) and Andrea Chalupa (Gaslit Nation Podcast)! Enjoy!

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No, Mr. Green. Communism is just a red herring. Like all members of the oldest profession, I'm a capitalist. Hello, welcome to Muller She Road. I'm your anonymous host, A.G. smashing the Crotch Act, A.K.A. The Hatch Act. I work in Trump's executive branch until he purges me at least. So for now, I use a pseudonym. With me, as always, is Julie Sajansen. Hello. And Jordan Coburn. Hello. What a crazy week, you guys.

I spent the week in D.C. and I got to meet Scott Dworkin and Robert McWire and David Priests as well as some listeners including our good friend Janelle Hampton Oh yeah! Her friend was there and I got to meet a wonderful signholder at the Cremlin Annex protest and her name was April and she was delightful I got to speak at the Cremlin Annex protests as well, and I toured the White House, so I was inside. That's so awesome. And I can't wait to take it back from the shit given.

So, I had a ton of fun. What did you guys do this week? I just kind of hung out. That's funny. The downtime is nice. Yeah, yeah. I did a lot of like mental health me days. Oh good. And I know that you're working now, right, your phone banking. Yes, yes.

That's so great. It's political too, which is so nice to do a job that feels relevant. I just call people basically and ask what their opinions are about Donald Trump. And if I get them to continue answering after that question, we ask more specific things, but that's usually when people hang up the phone.

Well, that's so cool. It's very important. That's one way that we can make a difference, and I'm really glad that you're doing that. We're about to. I started my first week on the job. Some fucking lady on Twitter tried to get me fired, because I responded to a Trump status once, and I said, something very mild. I was like, you're a disgrace to humanity.

I can't wait to hear gun. Whatever. Can't what you die. Something really mild like that. And she and she comments, I bet your employer, she tags you see San Diego and she's like, are you okay with your employer saying these things? Are you sure you want them on your like staff or whatever? And then I respond to I was like, all right, this is the most mild comment to try to get someone fired over for stuff. And then I responded, I was like, all right, this is the most mild comment to try to get someone fired over for staff.

And then she responds, oh, don't worry, I've already contacted them and your supervisor. And you're just like, she knows who that is. Yeah, I'll see, dude. And then I reported her on Twitter and then they fucking got her. Oh, nice. Yeah.

That's good. Yeah. Yeah, somebody tried to fax some-gun thing. I said on Instagram to To my agency to the federal government like just I don't know if they just picked a random facts at the federal government offices and sent it in there But eventually made it down to my public relations officer and she's like, hey, uh, this is hilarious What the fuck? I can't believe these people literally are okay just trying to ruin someone's life Yeah, and I don't believe these people literally are okay just trying to ruin someone's life. Yeah. And I don't think they realize that as government employees,

we have First Amendment protections. Not well, private industries don't have that. Like, remember the lady on the bike who flipped off the motorcade? She worked for a private company. They fired her for that. You can't do that in a federal government because of First Amendment protections.

So, ha ha So yeah, that's actually UC San Diego is technically a public university. There's no hatchback thing. I have to worry about it. Right. Okay. We're basically privatized because everything's fucked, but still toe to round being a public university. So aside from all that, there was a ton of news this week. Julie said, you're going cover an update on 666 Fifth Avenue or Satan's Tower, I like to call it. Oh, yeah. Devil's Tower is actually a cool rock formation, so I don't wanna call it that, so we'll call it Satan's Tower.

And Jordan has an update on Devonunas. I'm gonna be going over Manafort's trial. And we also have some amazing guests this week, including Andrea Chalupa from the Gaslit Nation podcast. I had the opportunity to meet her sister in DC this week, and that was a lot of fun. They're absolutely great ladies, full throttle in the resistance, and I love them both. Awesome. And we have MSNBC contributor and former US attorney under Obama in Birmingham, Alabama,

Joyce Vance. She's one of my favorite MSN NBC contributors, so we're going to talk to her a little bit. She answers and clears up some legal questions that I have since I am not a lawyer, even no my name is AG. So we have a lot to get to. So let's jump in with just the facts. On Monday, we learned that a US district court judge issued a ruling invalidating the Treasury's new rule that organizations such as the NRA do not have to list their dark money donors. I mentioned this possibility to Robert McGuire in a previous episode, so let's listen to that clip really quick.

Now, could there be any lawsuits filed against this decision that might end up resulting in a stay on this new Treasury policy, or is it just kind of nothing we can do about it until unless Congress acts. Yeah I know I I would say I haven't heard of anyone floating that idea and I feel like I would have if that was a possibility. So this is a big win for the citizens for responsibility and ethics or crew in Washington DC which is a watchdog group that ended up filing suit against the FEC and that's what kind of I was speculating in that clip like is anybody Washington, DC, which is a watchdog group that ended up filing suit against the FEC.

And that's what kind of I was speculating in that clip. Like, is anybody suing these mofos for this? Because this doesn't seem right. They were doing it as part of the whole of the whole citizens united dark muddy donors to super PACs. And this could have implications for this new treasury rule as well. This will, anyway, it's like a small tiny step in the direction of repealing citizens united. And I love it.

Yeah, I think it's beautiful. Yeah, this ruling is likely to be appealed. Right. But, you know, we'll see where it ends up. It's good that it's being adjudicated. And the NRS losing support day by day, so hopefully their repeal is weak as full. Yeah, yeah. They don't have any lawyers.

They have no money or sad face. Progress is gradual, but it feels like progress. Yeah, and we have to hand it to the Parkland kids, honestly. Totally, yeah. The Kushner's family finally unloaded 66 and Jolie said has the details on that for us later in the show. Then you guys, the craziest installation yet of the Loub the Truth tour, Trump admitted to collusion in a tweet when he said that the Trump Tower meeting was set up to get dirt

on Hillary. Right. And not only, I mean, he's been denying this forever and his lawyers have been saying, no, that's not the case. And not only does this mean the president is admitting that his campaign conspired with a foreign adversary to get opposition research on an opponent, a political opponent, but it sort of tosses his son under the bus for lying to Congress about the meeting. And it puts them both in the obstruction scope of the Mueller probe.

Since admitting they fabricated the statement about adoptions, you know, the one that Keralo quit over that, you know, it's the spokesperson, their legal team spokesperson. He was on Air Force one. He's like, I got it. I quit. You got it. I can't. He jumped off.

He just parachute. Baaah! And Jack. I'll see you guys later. Just lands on Mueller's arms. Funk. I knew you'd jump and he's, I've got you. That's such a wearing his marine uniform in my head. I don't know. So yeah, totally through Don Jr. under the bus.

That's insane. It's so obvious to me that the Loub the Truth Tour, which is what we call Trump and Rudy's attempt to get the truth out to his base slowly, so that if Trump ever does sit down with Mueller, he won't have to lie to Mueller, right? He's like putting off all these doing these negotiations, putting off the sit down interview,

meanwhile kind of releasing the truth here and there a little bit so that he doesn't have to lie to, he's basically kind of, he knows it's a quote unquote purge retrap for him, which is not you just don't lie and you aren't trapped. And and that's just kind of how he's doing it. And this is one of the big pieces. And if I sit there and I think about all the things Mueller's going to ask him about Julianne has been leaking those things bit by bit. And we've talked about that. Totally. I am also the fact that it came out now that his previous explanation for that meeting

was they were talking about adoptions, and now he comes out saying is to get Dr. and Hillary Clinton that corroborates something that we all knew all along, which is anytime adoptions are brought up. It's always for something sketchy. It's never adoptions. Yep. Adoption beans. Adoption beans.

So anyway, since Mueller, we've talked about Mueller being more likely to write a report than drop an indictment on the president, right, because of the DOJ policy that says, you know, don't indict a sitting president, write a report to Congress, the court of public opinion can weigh heavily on the inevitable impeachment hearings that will ramp up once we flip Congress. So at least for Trump, you know, this is good, you know, well, not good news, but you know, this is kind of Trump's strategy, but he's sort of just hanging everybody else out in the wind. Junior is fucked. Have you lost your mind? He's asleep. He stole my bike. You liar. I swear I didn't do it, Dad.

Not to mention good old Jay Sekulo, who adamantly came out on television and said the meeting was not about dirt, it was about adoptions and that Trump did not dictate the adoption statement. And much like Kelly and Conway's alternative facts, Sekulo is now saying, well, the facts have developed. So his story changed with the facts, dude. Facts don't develop, man. They just exist. And the events of that meeting haven't changed. Your bullshit story about it has. So if you believe this, dude, you're not the brightest gray out in the sea.

Maybe they have a time machine. They're going back and developing the facts. It's just weird. What a weird thought. Somebody had tweeted out, like, innocent people have one story, and it never changes. It's the liar that has to change their story. And this is all that the facts are developing. No, you knew all the facts and if you

didn't, you're a terrible lawyer or you have a shitty client, which is true. Yeah, all right. So way back in March of 2017, McCain, John McCain said in a speech to the Senate that Rand Paul is working for Putin. He said this when the Ransky would not support the addition of Montego in Tnado. He's like, you're working for Putin. Well this week, Rand Paul told reporters he hand-delivered a letter to Putin on behalf of Trump when he had a bunch of other traders there with him on the 4th of July. Do you remember that meeting? The White House said the letter was meant to be a means of introducing Rand Paul to

Putin and that White House says Rand asked Trump to write the letter. Like, hey buddy, can you write a letter to Putin? So I have a reason to talk to him. That sounds so like what letter, what did the letter say? Like hello Vlad, do you like Rand? Check this box. My dude is Pudy. That's Rand Paul standing in front of you. His hair is almost as good as mine, XOXO. Do you have Vlad? Here are the passwords for Florida voting machines, wink wink. Like what did the letter say? Like meet my friend. That's just

the weirdest ninth grade thing that I've ever heard in my life. And what's extra weird is that Russia somehow got a hold of and leaked a Lindsey Graham bill imposing heavy sanctions on Russia. And I'll be god damned if that wasn't hand delivered by one of those senators on that trip on July, in July. And that's conjecture, but put, you know, put some beans on it. And then Trump magically enacted some sanctions this week, which we're doing January by the way. So don't start sucking his hoo-ha now.

28 months late. Uh, uh, uh, uh, bureaucracy. Oh, right. Of course, space force. So yeah, sanctions and now, I bet. I don't know, I would love to hear the back channel phone call or code in a picture of flowers or whatever from Trump to Putin saying, maybe that's what was in the letter, sorry, these are just temporary, don't freak out

or pretend to freak out, everything will be fine. I don't know, Russia played along though. They came out slamming the sanctions and warning of retaliation. Like, what are you, what are you going to do that you're not already doing? Like, what retaliation are you going to cut off our oligarchs? Like, release the p-tap. Do that. I'm down for that. Yeah. Are you going to interfere in our elections? We know that one. Yeah. That's why I'm like, what else are you going to do

besides completely dismantle our democracy and take a part in NATO? What else do you going to do besides completely dismantle our democracy and take a take a part in a no what else do you have? I don't want to know, but I'm sure it's just it seems just like it's probably a fake thing. I don't know. Anyway Wednesday, the special master in the Cohen case filed another update to her report, her final report saying that the 4,000 and eight pieces of privilege information she had delegated previously were not all actually privileged because she had delegated previously, were not all actually privileged because she put out the 4,000 in eight pieces and then the prosecution said pretty much, like, I don't know, filed a thing for all of them saying, no, they're

none of them are privileged. And then she came back and said, right, you're right, 2,558 of them are not actually privileged and handed those over to the prosecutor. So that's the end of it. They have everything now. So the clock is ticking on Cohen. So that's an interesting thing. Then Lordy, there are more tapes.

This time featuring Jordan's boyfriend, Evan Nunez, she's going to go over that for us later in the show. Now learning is being referenced as a cowfucker. Yeah. What did you know? I didn't know people were calling him that. No, but what's really funny is, I always fuck farmers, not because he fucks cows.

Oh, I think that you're gonna talk about the farmer petition, right? Yeah, yeah, okay, cool. I'm excited to hear about that. Yeah. All right, then Senator Warren tweeted that Rousseau, a subsidiary of Derapaska's Russian aluminum company, is getting an exemption on aluminum tariffs.

And they got that exemption days after the Trees and Summit in Helsinki. Oh, really? Yeah, we kind of saw that coming. Yeah. Oh. That was one of the sort of faults with the Magnitsky Act, is that the president can just take whoever he wants off that O-Fec list Just be like, no, no, but this is for tariffs. He's like, I'm not gonna. You're fine, you know Then Friday Roger Stonehenge

Rock Andrew Miller was held in contempt for refusing to appear after being subpoenaed by the grand jury in the Mueller probe US district judge barrel how Incidentally, she's the same judge that ruled that dark muddy donors can't remain anonymous. At the beginning of the show, she made a ruling Friday, after a sealed hearing, it turns out that Miller held himself in contempt of court,

so he could appeal the decision. I don't understand that. What? I hold myself in contempt! Why should you be any different? Take them away! And then the man Hatton Moundem also testified this week to the Grand Jury. And we learned this week that Mueller subpoenaed Randy Cretico to testify before the Grand Jury next month, September 7th, actually.

Which first of all tells us that the conspiracy indictments aren't going to drop until at least after September 7th. When Manafort's second trial is scheduled to start by the way, like three days later, or ten days later, and pop it up is scheduled to be sentenced on the 7th as well. Krediko is the comedian guy, remember who Roger Stone claims was his back channel to Assange? And he was subpoenaed last year to the Intel committee and appeared then. Check this out from episode 5 you guys. Also, Roger Stone told the House Intel committee that his WikiLeaks liaison was Randy

Cradeco. Cradeco has now been subpoenaed to testify in mid-December. So it appears that Mueller is circling Stone. We've said this recently and he's the only one in the group that hasn't heard a peep from Mueller and he brags about that, but that's not something to be happy about, because that means you're probably a target. So many beans, episode five, I know. And I wonder if there's any, I was actually going to say if there's any stone left unturned.

That's stupid. That's not. I wonder if this could be the final piece of the conspiracy investigation or I don't know it could be the beginning. We could not even know. But it seems like this is kind of the last group, at least that we know about that he's relentlessly going after outside of just Trump himself. Wasn't the Manhattan Madam also doing the whole nun bird thing saying that she wasn't

going to testify and she'd never say anything Against Roger Stone. She did but she went. Yeah, she probably somebody probably explained it to her. I Don't know. I don't know where we are in this investigation. I'm feeling though that the end is near. I feel like September is gonna be a huge month. I knew this month would be a huge huge month and hasn't disappointed. And I don't know how close up to the election. I know Rudy Giuliani has set like a September one drop dead date for you, can't do anything after September one because the elections are in November. But I don't know what the actual I haven't even seen the policy. I think it's more of a norm. And so of course they want Mueller to, you know, ascribe to all the norms, but they clearly don't care about norms except when it comes to this. So we'll see what kind of things go down in September or

if they get put off until after the election, I really don't know. But there is a confirmation hearing for Kavanaugh September 4th and we'll talk about that shortly. So yeah, I really think that it's wrapping up. It seems to me at least, which brings me to what happens with this podcast after the investigation is over. And a lot of folks in media and listeners have been asking this. And the answer is nothing.

We aren't going anywhere. First, believe me when I say we could spend the rest of our lives on tangling this monster of an investigation. We've done 41 main episodes, over 30 bonus episodes for patrons. And as you all know, we've only chipped the tip of the iceberg as the experts say, because the news is coming at us at this insane pace. So there's always going to be a need for a voice for justice in politics,

aside from this investigation. So we're, you know, we we wanna continue to be that voice. So we're not going anywhere, don't worry. Someone said we should be gardening, she wrote. Just like change our name, because we could talk about anything and they would still listen. Oh, I'm on, how do you garden on the radio?

Yeah, it was just like, we literally, because that's how cool our listeners are. Like I feel like they would be cool with like just listening to us kind of take down anything, even if it were the molar investigation forever or, you know, just regular news. Yeah, gardening conspiracy. Or just foreign influence or there's a million things we can do. Just some politics is always going to be an issue. And I've said this before and I'll say it again, Trump wants to be president for life. That's ridiculous. I think we need a special prosecutor for life.

I think there should just always be a Bob Mueller just investigating the shit out of our politicians. Yeah. Can we force him to do it? We would have to probably put a constitutional amendment in or something. I don't know. Yeah, I was going to say they'd have to be appointed by Mars or something. Something that's incredibly objective. Maybe the space force can do it.

Oh, it all makes sense now. I was born in space. Come here to save the world. The aliens have to build the wall. Oh, man. Friday, the Boston Globe called on all newspapers across America to publish op-eds or opinion pieces, Trashing Trump for his attacks on the media. We're not a newspaper, but count us in. The fourth state is under fire, along with facts, which have been referred to as malleable, or in developing, or alternative facts by both the Trump White House and the only entertainment cable network he watches.

Everyone familiar with Orwell knows exactly what Trump is up to. So this week, I wanted to bring on the author of Orwell and the refugees, the untold story of animal farm, and she's also the co-host of one of my favorite pods, Gaslit Nation. Please welcome Andrea Chalupa to Muller She wrote, Andrea welcome. Hi, I'm so excited. I'm really excited to have you with us today. So you had been asked, I just want to set this up a little bit, you'd been asked in 2012 to give a speech, or maybe it was earlier than that because you'd done a lot of research, but you were asked to give a speech at the National Press Club in DC and you had collected so much research on animal farm and oral well that you ended up writing a book about

it and it's all about how a Ukrainian refugee helped get the story out and that's very personal for you. So can you tell us about that? Yeah, so this is a very long journey. So for many years, since 2004, I was researching writing a screenplay, a proper feature film, historical drama on Stalin's genocide famine in Ukraine and the Kremlin information war that covered it up. And I was telling this story through this real life

Welsh journalist by the name of Gareth Jones. And it's actually the anniversary of his death this month in August. On August 12, he was killed. The day before his 30th birthday, out on a reporting trip, research suggests by the Soviet Secret Police and that was in retaliation for being the first strident independent voice in the Western media.

That relentlessly was exposing the fact that Stalin deliberately created a famine in Ukraine. He sealed the borders of Ukraine, wouldn't let anyone out and took out all the food and had Soviet agents stealing food from the people. And it was a deliberate starvation. And in fact, the human rights lawyer, Rafael Lumpkin, who first coined the phrase genocide, used Stalin's family in Ukraine as a classic example of genocide. And the Kremlin to the state continues to deny it.

And so working on this screenplay, I needed, you know, nobody wanted it, like no producers wanted my script because it was so depressing. And just maybe I wasn't really a great writer at the time. But so I was looking for some happier endings, something to give the scripts some hope and give myself some hope because it's an uphill battle to get any movie made. And so I turned to George Orwell for inspiration. And I was reading Christopher Hitchens' introduction to animal farm and just a few sentences in his introduction immediately struck me. He wrote that Orwell had struggled to get animal farm out into the world, no publisher

wanted it. And then finally, some small press put out some copies, and one miraculously ended up in the hands of Ukrainian refugees who immediately understood what Orwell was trying to say with animal farm. And these refugees worked with him to create animal farming Ukrainian and give it out in the refugee camps. And I was just stunned by this. So the fact that Stalin's own victims took their power back to get their story out in the world through Orwell partnering with Orwell. And as I was researching this story, I decided to make these refugees an Orwell part

of my screenplay to show that the truth never dies, that Gareth may have been killed by Soviet agents, but his reporting lives on in Oral's animal farm. And the more I discovered that this young well journalist and George Oral had all these real-life connections. For instance, they shared the same literary agent. They were both good friends with Malcolm L. Muggridge. They were roughly the same age, and they were very much interested in the same parts of the world. So I just imagined the past crossing, and so now Orwell was a character in my screenplay.

And what was even more amazing when I put all this Orwell's magic into my screenplay, I took it out to market and still producers didn't want it. And I was like, okay, I don't know what to do now? And I went to my uncle's farmhouse in the Catskills for New Year's Eve and I was telling him about this whole film project and I didn't see him in a while. I told him like the whole happy ending of the script. The truth comes out through Oral's Animal Farm through these Ukrainian refugees, their refugee camps, a world or two. And my uncle looks at me and goes, oh yeah, I have a copy of that Ukrainian edition of Animal Farm. I picked it up in the refugee camp when I was a kid.

Oh my gosh. Yeah, and my aunt then got up from the table and grabbed the book. And a book had only seen in my research and photos and handed it to me. And so now I have it. And it was this amazing sign from the universe basically telling me like keep going, keep going. And shortly after the script was optioned and we just finished shooting it for four months in Poland and Ukraine and Scotland with a three time Academy Award

nominated director Agneska Holland, who grew up in the Soviet Union and in Soviet occupied Poland. Both her mother and father were journalists. Her father was arrested by the Soviet secret police. And his official cause of death was suicide, while under police interrogation. So this story was very personal to her too. And we had an incredible cast of actors, all of them, you know, even actors who would just join us for a day on set for a couple scenes.

All of our actors were just phenomenal. The film stars James Norton as Gareth Jones, Vanessa Kirby as this wonderful reporter who helps him get the truth out. And then Peter Sarsgard as Walter Duranty, the Pulitzer Prize winning Lascaux Bureau Chief for the New York Times who works with Soviets to suppress the story and succeeds.

And Walter Duranty does is so vile. It's of course not as vile as the October 31st, 2016, New York Times, story saying that the FBI's on no links between Trump and Russia. But I think modern viewers can understand is what Walter Draghi was up to and how frustrating this was. So basically, my book, Orwell and the refugees,

was all of my research in this whole Orwell connection. I just had all of it. And so the National Press Club in DC asked me to present on it. And I did. And I put it all online as an Amazon candle, a friend of mine, Molly Krabapple, who was the artist of the Occupy Wall Street movement. She did the cover for it.

And shortly thereafter, some college kids in Toronto called me up and said, we wanna send you on a college tour of Canada for two weeks. Would you be willing to do that? And I was like, sure, but we need you to make it like a proper book. And so I had to figure out how to make it a proper book. And I self-published and I went on this proper,

very drunk college tour of Canada, talking about war wild, all these audiences across Canada. And that was so fun. And then when I got home to our Canada, talking about war while to all these audiences across Canada. And that was so fun. And then when I got home to the States, the big news was that Ukrainians were launching and uprising against their Putin puppet, Yannakovich. And when the Western press was large ignoring the story, like covering Justin Bieber's arrest in Miami,

while Ukrainians were being killed by riot police and government snipers, I then turned to the network of college students across Canada that I met on my speaking tour and worked with them to immediately activate this hashtag, Digital My Dawn, and worked with Ukrainian diaspora groups around the world to quickly launch this like SOS hashtag, calling on world leaders, major media to pay attention

to protesters who are being killed by the democracy in Ukraine. And within minutes, we're trending number one globally. We got responses on Twitter from the Prime Minister of France, I mean, a major act. People like Gary Caspar, Russell Brand, Bianca Jagger, or we were written about and impressed around the world. And that created this big movement to help raise money,

whatever it was needed for medical supplies for the protests. And we were able to crowdfund to send a videographer over there to do a live stream in English, to connect English audiences to what was going on minute by minute on the ground and really compensate for the lack of response from the Western media. So the whole experience of making this book, or on the refugees, was absolutely life-changing and it led to much larger and more important work, which also positioned me to be very sensitive and

active to the rise of Trump and Manafort. Yeah, that's kind of how I was gonna tie that in, because I mean, first of all, aside from Trump and Manafort and Yanukovych and Temeschenko, aside from all of that, before any of that happened, the number of coincidences that you stumbled upon in your research is astounding. And you're like, like you said, the whole universe was sort of lining itself up for this.

And then, I was kind of hoping you could tell me like, like how it sort of went for you after you'd done all that research, after you talked to your family, got that book in your hand. And now all of a sudden, we have Manafort, who had worked for Yanukovych, as you said, Putin puppet in Ukraine, the annexation of Crimea, the softening of the language in the RNC platform. All of that, kind of just sort of like what was that like for you to sort of, I mean, the parallels are intense.

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, it was like living a really bad movie, bad because it was real life, but there were moments where it was like, I was really wondering whether we were all stuck in some simulation by some like advanced AI writers room with a really wicked sense of humor, because even moments like during the recounts,

like right after Trump won, I was desperately calling Alex Halderman's office, you know, the computer scientist at the heart of the recounts, Alex Halderman's office, you know, the computer scientist at the heart of the recounts. And this is when we first, you know, days within days of the election and leaving him a voicemail. And I turn around and I look and right behind me is like this menacing black Trump building. I was just like, okay, all right. And so yeah, there's a lot of moments throughout that felt horrible, horrible because, wow, this one hand is going to make a really great film, but on the other hand, the lines are going

to be destroyed by this regime. And of course, going to strengthen Putin's influence around the world as well, which will also lead to the destruction of other lives and alliances. So, all of it has felt terrible and surreal in a way that I still I'm not used to. And so that kind of brings us to your podcast, Gaslet Nation, which I absolutely love. And I'm assuming this this probably came out of this reliving of a bad movie that you're talking about. So what are the connections there? Tell us about your podcast. So yeah, when I was on set,

so we, the idea of the podcast, well, Sarah and I wanted to do it for a while because Sarah and I talk on the phone regularly. What you hear on the podcast is what we do on the phone, but there's a lot more shade throwing and gossiping. We're much meter on the phone, so we kind of dial it back for the audience, because we want people to still talk to us.

But so when we finally said, OK, let's get this together and make this podcast happen, that was really, I would say, born out of my film, because I was on set from, I was in Europe, February, March, April, May, for four intense months working on this movie and it was really long hours and very isolating and I kept looking at America on Twitter and it just, and American Twitter

just looked like a pit of screams. Like I did not wanna go home at all and I just kept dreading it and that feeling of dread is even captured in the film where Veribanesa Kirby playing this British reporter based in Berlin has to go to Hitler's Berlin and she's dreading it. And there's this moment, there's a scene that just captures how I was feeling at that time about having to go home to Trump's America. And so to sort of give myself something to come home to, I Skype with Sarah and I was like, we need to do this podcast because I'm, you know, I can't, I need something to come home to.

That's going to make me feel like I could get through this year. And so we reached out to Dame and they jumped on it right away. And they were, they've been really lovely to us. And Sarah and I were like, the whole goal of the podcast was, first and foremost, the war is in the mind. They're trying to demoralize us. They have this firehose of terror that just blasting this corruption in our faces and sort of challenging us. Like, what are you going to do about it? Nothing.

There's nothing you can do about it. So what they really want is for people to check out and stop being engaged and just feel psychologically emotionally defeated by them. And the way Sarah and I combat that is through our friendships through each other. And so we wanted to broaden our circle of friends and just let everybody in and our conversations and with the hope that we can sort of sustain larger,

larger, you know, group of people just like we help sustain each other. And because that's so important for us to be there for each other right now. And that's really the whole heart of it is sort of if you can protect your mind and take back your mind from what they're trying to do to it, with this far right. And especially like the media being quite slow and still debating racism and not sort of reluctant to call liely on racism racism. So it's just the gaslighting across the board. We want to sort of help sustain people during this, during the gaslighting that's just ongoing.

Yeah, I, I, we're, that's exactly our mission too, is, is to help prevent fatigue and exhaustion and keep everyone engaged and offer comfort. And I think it's fascinating that you are you know you're kind of realizing your ancestry by doing something like this and I think that it's it's absolutely fascinating to you know battle this whole or wellie an idea of don't believe what you see don't believe what you hear fake news etc. and actually working to get facts out there while also keeping people engaged, I think, is the best thing that we can do. So I really appreciate you, and I'm honored that you came to join us today. Do you want to tell our listeners where they can find you, where they can

find information about the film, where they can find information about your book and your pod? information about the film where they can find information about your book and your pod. Sure. So I guess they can listen to the podcast on Day Magazine by following at Gaslit Nation on Twitter. And for anything else that I do on especially in the film, I will be posting on my Twitter account and drag and drag chili puffs. You can go there. But yeah, we're really thrilled by all the work that you're doing, and it's everything that you just outlined in terms of, staying engaged in fact checking. That's all we were doing in the Ukrainian Revolution

to combat Putin's propaganda. So it's really astounding that the war has come to America now. This information war and that we all have to stay vigilant and stay engaged. Yeah, absolutely. History repeats, and now I think it's the women's turn. Yes. Well, thank you again, Andrea. It's really been a pleasure talking to you.

I love your podcast. Please keep it up. There's room for all of us. We need more of us. And I'm really just, I'm so glad you were able to take time. Oh my god, my pleasure. I'm a huge fan of Mollarshi Road. Thanks so much. I am a huge fan of Gaslit nation so high five women and podcasting. I will talk to you soon I really want to have you back as more stuff develops okay. Oh without question and thank you so much this is really great and let me know if you need anything and and honestly your podcast is excellent and I learned so much when I listen to it. Same Z is to you. Okay, G. Talk to you later. All right, have a good one.

Bye. She's so great, you guys. I love their podcast. Everyone check it out. It's a great name. Yeah, Gaslit Nation. Yeah, so as soon as you're done subscribing to Mollershee wrote, check out Gaslit Nation. They even used the 30,000 email clips in their intro.

Oh, yeah. Sick or sister pods. I love it. More news Friday, the DNC served WikiLeaks by tweet. Apparently WikiLeaks is part of the DNC's lawsuit against the Federation of Russia as was Kushner, Jalisa. You reported on that, you remember? Oh, yeah. And it appears you can serve someone via tweet, or at least they're trying to, particularly

when they're inside the Ecuadorian embassy in London and you can't go in there, or you know, I don't know, it's a, it was an interesting thing, I'm going to talk to Joyce Vance about it in a little bit too. So Amarosa wrote a book and I don't care. Tweet at us if there's something in there about Russia, otherwise I don't need a book to know that 45 is a racist asshole. Exactly. I'm way more interested in Bob Woodward's forthcoming book called Fear. It's got some Russian news and it apparently, and we may cover that in our next installment of the MSW

Book Club. You can join now by visiting patreon.com slash mullarshi. Kavanaugh, as I said before, will have his first confirmation hearing September 4th. Do you say that was Beyoncé's birthday? Oh, yeah, September 4th. She's a Virgo. Oh, all right. Yes. Well, there we go. Maybe she can say, as a birthday present, I'd like you all to do anything in your power

to make sure that doesn't go through. Well, she tried to get Hillary elected. She tried to do everything in her power there. Yeah, but we got to stop this Kavanaugh thing. That's true. I'll Twitter. Yeah, tweet out. She can stop it.

Do not stop writing and calling your representatives and senators and tell them to do everything they can to stop this nomination until they can push the FOIA requests through to get the documents they've requested. That's insane that they've had to resort to filing FOIA requests to get documents to vet this guy. We can't let Trump appoint a guy who thinks the president is above the law with alluming subpoena. Mueller, if you're listening, I hope you find a subpoena and drop it before September 4. It's just unbelievable to me the Republicans would block the release of documents for senators to read about a judge they're being asked to appoint. All of this from the party that wouldn't even speak to Merrick Garland for over a year.

It's Gross, I don't know. It blows my mind that that's even our elected officials are doing that. Yeah. Anyway, this week Bill Nelson claimed he's He's in Florida there. He claimed that Russia successfully hacked some of Florida's voting systems. Apparently, he told the Tampa Bay Times that Russians had, quote, penetrated certain counties in the state and now have free-rained to move around. God. Unquote. And he said the chair and vice chair of the Intel Committee told him to tell the election supervisors in Florida, but the Department of State, with good old governor Rick Scott, douchebag says there's no evidence of the hack and they're asking for specific information.

It's like, okay. That's so scary. Why not even just take a precaution? Is it a money issue for him? No, they need the vote. They need the Russian votes. Karen McDougal got her men's journal cover from Magazine owner David Becker. And this is to fame payment for her story to make it look like a contract.

There was a legit contract despite men's journal objecting. Say, we're going to lose advertisers. We put her on the front page. Apparently, they didn't even take her picture or interview her or tell her about it. They used old pictures and archived content about a workout routine she had. But this whole thing is so that the $150,000 payment to her is not hush money. It's a contract, right?

It's not a catch and kill scenario. Do you think that that'll hold up? I don't know. It made our name so tiny on the magazine cover. It's just like, you can't even find it. Yeah, it's just a weird scenario. Yeah, and Cohen is wrapped up in this, as we said earlier, the Southern District of New York now has all the evidence

and he's under investigation for tax fraud as well. So, I mean, I don't think you're going to be able to, you know, two years later, slap an old photo on the cover of a magazine and say we gave her $150,000 for that, not to keep her mouth shut. Yeah, the timing is just really sketchy. Yeah, it is. And then with the AMI lawsuit, it's about the fourth woman.

And it's just ridiculous. Why would men want her workout? I mean, I guess I get if it were like, as opposed to be for other reasons, but it's men fitness. Yeah, men's journal. It's strange. So much, sorry, here's my workout routine for you,

for you fellas. Yeah, yeah. So much of men's workout routines is going to a gym and staring at women. So we'll see, they could play that card that it's about the aesthetics, but all their other magazine covers ever were men. So they would have to say that we're taking this new direction conveniently right now for the sake of misogyny. It's like, well, they're, you know, not misogyny, but like, you know, just sex.

Exactly. Well, they, they, they totally protested this and Peckar was like, no, just sex. Exactly. Well, they, they, they, they totally protested this. And Pecker was like, no, do it. Right. He was advertising dollars. So clearly it's a cost-benefit analysis for him. Right. To lose these potential advertisers and potential stars, male stars for their covers

in the future, he, he might, it might be worth it to him to tank the whole magazine. Yeah. Just to avoid this. To avoid the political scandal. Yeah. This crime. That is the bright side that it definitely would insinuate that that was a sketchy thing. That for sure happened. Yeah, I'm sure though that it's got to be easy to prove.

Yeah, whether the evidential is director circumstantial, I'm sure it'll come up and I don't know if he's going to get away with it. The way that Mueller and this, this is of course, it is probably going to come out in the Southern District of New York, but even their trials have just been impeccable and Super detailed and I'm sure that by the look the whole communication chain about Covering it up giving or the cover making it happen. I'm sure they're recorded conversations with Cohen where they decided to do that I mean, it's I'm sure they're

Robberated to prove it was a conspiracy to to make that 150,000 look like a legit contract. Alright, you guys, that's the week's news. We'll be right back. Please head over to Apple Podcasts and give us a rating. And then subscribe. That simple act goes a long way to helping us get the word out about the Mueller investigation. And more importantly, it expands our efforts to flip Congress blue in November. And don't forget, follow us on Twitter at Mueller She wrote to be automatically entered to win a PlayStation 4. Don't ask. Thank you so much for listening. We would not be here without you.

Alright, welcome back. Hot notes. Okay, today Jordan has some tasty vitals on her cowman, new nez, but first, if you guys ever grew up in sort of a farming rural area and and like joined the 4-H club, it's gotta be. I like, I just imagine it like that. Or like if you've seen Napoleon Dynamite and he's drinking a milk and he's like, this won't go into an onion patch. You know, that's just how I envision Nunez with his old mullet, you know, just eating crustless sandwiches.

Yeah. I do like those. Collecting chicken eggs for a summer job. Do the chickens have large talons? Anyway, that's how I imagine it. But first, Jalisa, you've done some research for us on what's happening with Satan's Tower, 666 Fifth Avenue, the Kush building. What do you find out? And that's correct. So last Friday, Jared Kushner, while still working

at the White House mind you, sold off his 666 Fifth Avenue building to a Kotarling company called Brookfield Properties. And his company, or this company, isn't just partially owned by the Caterlink government. It's their second biggest investor. And so we've previously reported that Kushner was in a lot of debt over this building. It was $1.4 billion in debt to be exact. And when he first started working at the White House, he was meeting with potential investors and using his government position as leverage.

So this is why he eventually lost his security clearance as we know, he would basically go to the guitar of government and be like, hey, wanna buy my building? And they were like, no. And so he go back to work at the White House and he would push for the US to announce something like a blockade of guitar, which we did. And then he go back to the guitar of government

and be like, well, now do you want to buy my building? They'd be like, yeah, fine, you psycho, well, by your building. So it's just really strange. It just seems like the cushioners in the Qatar government after doing some research actually had a really good relationship previously, just three years ago, Brookfield and Kushner properties partnered up to redevelop a new Jersey mall, and Brookfield also loaned Kushner money to purchase the former New York Times headquarters

for $295 million. Not to mention late last year, Kushner received a $1.84 million loan from a Atari-owned company called Apollo, as well as $30 million from its railing investor, just days before he flew to Israel for his first diplomatic trip to the region. So this is kind of just what he does. He just uses his power very openly, very publicly, to get money and lots of it. And so it just seems like the only issue is that he got caught up. I mean, he's been doing this for like three years.

So it's just crazy. It's like all in plain sight too. So he's obviously gone to the White House with some really clear connections to the guitar government. And he also went in with a lot of debt, which means Mueller could tie this to his motive. And we now have all this evidence

that he's successfully strong armed countries like guitar into investing in his private businesses, which is why I think Jerry's eventually gonna get jail time for this. It's like, I know he's gotten away with it so far, but I think Jerry's eventually gonna get jail time for this. It's like, I know he's gotten away with it so far, but I think we're at a point where it's just, he's probably just trying to rack up a lot of money to get a pretty nice commissary when he's in prison.

Like maybe it's all just like, I know I'm committing crimes in front of everyone, but I still have time, because he can't be arrested probably until they're ready to get Trump, right? Which is when he's probably not president anymore. Until they, well, until they start dropping the conspiracy or the crimes of collusion and diamonds.

Right. Right. But it could, it could be separate, kind of like how Manafort's tax and business stuff was kept separate from the collusion. Yes. Until. They could drop an indictment on Kushner. But I'm sure what's happening now is Mueller is,

I mean, there's so much, there's so many different lines in that investigation that it's just taking time. The avenues he could take that there's so many, there's the Jared Kushner way, the Donald Trump, junior way, Ivanka, and then all of them together, like it's just, yeah, you're right, it's just a matter of which way he wants to go, right?

Which way's probably the quickest or the most, I don't know, make the most thorough. Yeah, thorough, like the most sound. Yeah, and if you think about, if you guys noticed that Rep Collins was arrested this week for insider trading, by Berman, by the way, who's the guy that replaced pre-barara.

Well, that's so funny. I know. Hell yeah. They're planning work. Yeah, Berman was installed by Trump, and now he's taken down Collins, which is one of Trump's early supporters. It's not got anything to do with Russia,

but the reason I bring it up is because that simple investigation of him being on the board of directors for this medicine company, finding out the drug failed, which is the only thing that keeps this, the only thing this company has, and then telling his son about it, and then his son telling seven other people about it and then not losing

you know hundreds of thousands of dollars and they have the emails and they have the phone calls and they have everything that investigation took what a year to put together so like it's you got to kind of keep that in mind so it's so loud to get these bigger things and now when you're you're talking about you know cutter Saudi Arabia the intel that you gave to the Crown Prince to, you know, to get, and then all the different policy shifts and yeah, the Chinese investors, like all of it, like it's all connected with this photo of his history.

Yeah, it's going to take a while. That's much bulkier. Yeah. There's tons more evidence than there would be in this simple, straightforward and absolutely hilarious insider trade in case. He stepped down by the way. Tons more evidence than there would be in this simple straight forward and absolutely hilarious insider trading case. Yeah. He stepped down by the way. Oh, he did his rebid for election. Yeah. He's not going for it. So we actually it's a pretty solidly solidly read area, but they don't have the name recognition on the incumbent anymore. And so the Democrat might have a chance. That's amazing.

That's just this in a weird, you know, caramel way. So it does tie into flipping it blue, which ties into impeachment. So there I put it. This guy Collins also, keep listening. Yeah. He also asked or called for the Mueller investigation to be shut down. He was one of the first people to say that. So it's it's all he's come back to Russia. It's always about covering up for their guy. Yeah, absolutely. I'm sorry. No, go ahead. How many buildings do you

think? I don't know. Let's just say Manhattan alone, because they're buildings, hell of buildings. How many do you think are owned by companies that are huge players and foreign governments? I think all of them. I think they're all apart.

It's one of those billionaire things you do. It's just you own skyscrapers. It's like, it becomes like the yachts and stuff, right? It's not even a bad thing, I think. It's like the idea is that it's just like a... It could be used for money, right? I just didn't think. bat a thing, I think, right? It's like the idea is that it's just like, it could be used for money, right? I just didn't think, right?

That can't be that thing. That piece of it, I just didn't really think, I never see all those buildings and think, most of these are owned by foreign governments essentially. Exactly, yeah, yeah. Or just like these big players in general, like they wanna be, you know, oligarchs and stuff that are American.

Well, China bought the one bank building in LA, downtown LA, the one that gets destroyed in Independence Day. Oh, that's right. That's how I know it. It's as big as claimed of things. I'm like, look at that. Whoa.

Yeah, it's a lot of foreign investment. It's a lot of foreign investment. It should be bigger than a lot more, I think. And that they're focusing on bringing manufacturing back and keeping jobs in the United States, but you know, we sell the grand parts of our real estate to foreign investment. And then sometimes we sell visas doing that. It's interesting. Yeah, because there's, I think there's a rule, don't quote me on this, but if you invest in real estate in the United States or business in the United States, you can get a visa. Oh, so if you're rich enough.

Yeah. Yeah, you can buy citizenship. Oh heck yeah. That's a good question. But if you actually need a safe place to go because your family is being raped and your son is being recruited into gangs, no. Then we'll separate you so you can protect your kids while they're raped and then detention camps.

Yeah. Do we have to celebrate Melania's parents becoming citizens or giving out a few? We do not have to. That has changed migration. It's disgrace. It's disgrace to this. Oh, wait, they're white. It's fine.

It's totally fine. I'm not angry that they have it, of course, because that's what I think other people should have is a better shot, you know. They have shots. I celebrate. Yeah, like other people should have this. I just have to celebrate them.

I celebrate immigration. I celebrate immigration. And I support family reunification and family immigration. Right. I do support that. The hypocrisy here of someone who basically stands up and says, if brown people do it, they're going to be rapists. And they're going to be criminals in our country. Right.

Look at these five people on stage. They were all hurt by criminal immigration. It boils down to racism. So many times. Yeah, so many times. It's fear. They were all hurt by criminal. It boils down to racism. So many times. It's fear. It's xenophobia. Yeah.

It's a common common tool. And the fact of Trump's supporters can't see it is just sad. Right. China all of a great piece about the racism connection to Russia, how it's like one of the widest countries ever compared to the countries that have integrated a lot more around the world. Like Europe used to be very white.

And it's still white in a lot of ways, of course. But like, the princess is now brown. And so that's like, you heard what Laurie Ingram said right what she said she went on a racist Twitter rant or rant on her show this week saying you know there are certain areas in America that have taken such a huge demographic shift and it's not the way we want America to look and especially in places like California and... Man, as a brown person, this is tough, I'm not. And she's like, she's saying, she's basically saying, it's not as white as it used to be.

Yeah. And isn't that terrible? We didn't vote for that. She said, we didn't vote for that. I can never relate to that. I'll never be white enough to be racist. She got called out pretty hard on it and then tried to walk back her comments and it was

huge. She's also the one that has that Twitter gif of her doing like the Nazi salute and then she goes into like a wave. It's so unmistakably a Nazi salute. Yeah. I retweeted something and this is so funny guys. First of all, if I retweet something or if I like something, it does not mean that I support everything they've done since birth. Right, right.

There's a picture out there of Steve Miller, adjusting his coat and he's kind of making the white power sign. And Snopes apparently is calling it false. Even though if you read the Snopes article, it's just their opinion. They're like, I think he was adjusting his jacket. There's no, we haven't seen the full video to know enough that it's this. And I'm like, well, that's an opinion, then it should be unknown or whatever. And so chill out. And I promise you, he's a racist anyway. So yeah, you don't eat that picture or that video. It's just, you know, yeah, everybody, it's fine. Also, Baxel are saying, we didn't

vote for those demographics. I didn't know we get to vote on what colors I would love Or see what it looks like on a ballot Will rich people's ballots have that on there? Oh Snap How many brown people do you want to allow in your state this year? Zero to ten

I do I do No 15 That makes some really smiling Thanks for letting us in on the secret Or it's actually called the United States Census where you have to now self identify as a undocumented immigrant, which means we're not going to be able to count all the people and we're not going to be able to get all the

support that we need. Yeah. That's that's hugely xenophobic. All right. Thank you so much for that report. Jordan, what is the deal with Calman? What's going on? Yes, Calman. With your boyfriend. So just a reminder for anyone that Is unaware or doesn't remember Calman is his name. I guess it's not his name Calfucker is what was that people are calling him because he's from the 22nd District Which is Central Valley of California. It is extremely farmer-centric and I'll go into that that fun tidbit about farmers and I'll go into that that fun tidbit about farmers signing or just putting forth a petition. It's I'll close out with that because it's just really funny. It's related to his cow nests.

I would be best if I was a farmer too. Yeah, anyway, you're gonna get into it. It's so funny. Yeah, so first newness update. Also, thank you for not referring to him as my boyfriend, A.G. I really appreciate that. I did though. Thank you.

Earlier in the episode. No! Yeah, and I did say what's the deal with your boyfriend. And then I was gonna ask you how he's been. Oh, we're starting the tune in so. I did though. Yeah. Yeah. And I did say, what's the deal here, boyfriend? And then I was going to ask you how he's been. Oh, you're sharing the tune in that. I was suppressing. He hasn't been returning my text.

I don't know. But I did say, well, have you been texting him on WhatsApp? No. That's what you go down. They're private emails. Yeah. But I did put here in my notes that you should get to pick a new boyfriend when new Nes loses his job in November.

Oh, thank you. Because I will happily take Andrew Jans as my friend's chance. I think Andrew Jans is going to kick his ass. Hell yeah. Can I get a new boyfriend when he's in jail? Like, can I switch out? No. Oh, okay.

You're a broady? Step with broady, yeah. Oh, my God. I knew that's rough. No, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think once we find out he didn't pay for that abortion, that's when.

Okay, okay. That's what we're waiting for. For context listeners, Julie's and I have made comments that express some sort of fondness about these people, so they've been damned as our boyfriends. I don't even know what I said about it. It was out of our brains. It was, yeah, I think you guys have been damned actually by this. But yeah, this was like many episodes ago.

Yeah, we got to go back. It's a tease. It is, just a tease. They're not really a boyfriend. Yeah, exactly. Fuck that guy. So hard. But not because it's not my boyfriend. I feel like you said, I fucked that guy.

It's a boyfriend. Oh, god. Jordan, you're not making my job any harder. We're teasing you about this. He's not made without. All right, so update on my boyfriend. This week, you may have heard this reported on Matt out, but there's an audio recording that someone got.

It was obtained from a member of a progressive group who attended a fundraiser for GOP representative, Kathy McMorris Rogers of Washington State. And Nunes was talking to somebody about the Mueller investigation. And essentially what he winds up doing is a couple things in this recorded memo. The first one is quote unquote, he says, if sessions won't unrecuse and Mueller won't clear the president, we are the only ones, we being the GOP, obviously, which is the real danger.

We have to keep all these seats. We have to keep the majority. If we do not keep the majority, all of this goes away. So this is basically a straight up declaration that the goal in the midterms this year will be to maintain the house so that they can further protect Trump from being prosecuted and not prosecuted. Sorry, I misspoke investigated and this investigation from continuing and I was saying, you know, it's hilarious is that the defense for this some of the talking heads that still support Trump are saying, uh, he didn't say protect, uh, you know, anything, or he didn't say we have to, you know,

do this. He basically, it's the, in the beginning of his statement, he says, he says, read, read the statement again, and we'll go, go piece by piece. He says, if sessions won't unrecuse and Mueller won't clear the president, we're the only one. So that right there establishes, they have to clear the president. That's what his point is in this particular statement is that it is up to them to clear the president. Yes. And so anyone saying,

they didn't say they have to clear the president. They didn't say it was a job to protect the president. The word protect isn't in there. Critical thinking is supposed to be a skill they have. Right. Exactly. And they're trying to take that second part of the statement out and keep it by itself so that it doesn't sound like, you know, that's what they want it, that's what they're going to be.

They think we're going to be it. But basic reading comprehension, man. Yeah. Yeah. And obviously, Nunez has been a true patriot, quote, unquote, as Trump has called him in that he's been, I honestly, I think Robert Bacher deserves more credit in terms of supporting Trump in Russia

because New Nets is just a face of it, although he did have them, though, as you all remember, which basically, this is the thing too. It's not even that the GOP in general is trying to stop the investigation into Trump and the, you know, revelations of the effect that Russia and possible Trump Russia collusion has had on the US, it's that, like, the Senate Republicans have supported

the intelligence community. It's a house Republicans. The chair, the chair that Devon Nunez holds, they're the ones that are just so obsessive about denying facts and just completely gaslighting everything. Right. And the tape definitely explains why for people that weren't aware before, maybe didn't listen to Mollershiro, they wouldn't have made that connection until now.

It makes perfect sense now why he was doing all those weird things. Maybe before they were like, oh, he's probably just trying to be, you know, the Donald's advocate and just, you know, defending guy that no one else is looking out for. It's just for the sake of, I don't know, fairness or whatever. But now it's obvious that with the clearing him, clearing him of what?

Why does he need to be cleared? Right. And now that he's made the statement, like you said, Julie said, that you go back and think about his behavior with that goal in mind. Think of that as his mission statement. You know, if sessions won't unrecuse, it's up to us. That is behind the motives of all of the creepy, crazy conspiracy shit that you can do in Congress.

It's so obvious to me. I don't understand. It must be Trump derangements and Trump. Yeah. And then that is not the only thing he said that was so damning actually on that recording. Another thing that he talks about, which is very, very interesting. I don't think we've really talked about this in these exact words, is he suggests that in regards to impeaching Rosenstein, the reason why GOP is not supporting it right now is

because they know they need GOP, do they need the Senate to be focusing on Kavanaugh and getting Kavanaugh through. So he's saying that they need to prioritize Kavanaugh getting through right now and then keep the house and then every GOP member is going to be supporting impeaching girls instead. And that I think could be a legitimate game plan, especially on behalf of the House GOP, I'm hoping that the Senate GOP keeps consistent because I think that their loyalty to the I.C. extends past Kavanaugh. I don't think, you know, I think that them refusing, you know, Jim Jordan's pitiful attempt at introducing articles of impeachment against Rose and Stein,

I believe that DOP legitimately shut that down because they shut it down, because they're postponing it. I think it's right. Yes, otherwise Paul Ryan would have said, this is a viable thing, let's park it, and we'll talk about it after we confirm Kavanaugh. But that's not what he said. He was like, y'all nuts.

This is stupid. We're not doing this. So you don't think Paul Ryan is on board with that on board. I think that is my spine. Listen, waiting to get out. He wants to leave. But if he were sticking around, I think that I think new net is this trying to stick around in the idea.

Most Republicans are not, we're not on board with the impeachment of Rosenstein. Really? And not for this reason you don't think. Oh, no, that's okay. I mean, Nunez is trying to stick around in the idea. Most Republicans were not on board with the impeachment of Rosenstein. Really? And not for this reason, you don't think? No, that's okay. So he's on his own. Nunez is kind of on his own, and this is what you're saying. Well, there's a couple of other people.

Yeah, they're Republicans of the House of Intelligence. But Nunez was there with this woman, this fundraiser, not thinking there was no press allowed in, thinking it would never get out. And somebody was like, what are you gonna do with that impeachment of Rosenstein? He's like, we want to, but we have to wait because we have to focus on Kavanaugh.

You guys want Kavanaugh, right? And that's just an absolute giant pile of bullshit. Right, and by we, excuse me, is the handful of house people. Got it, got it. Meadows, Jordan, you know, the little group of six thousand or whatever. I'm not saying it's not possible that if you know

Down the line they see that as the most viable option of keeping power that they they're willing to go after roses I I do not put that past the GOP right. I do not think that they will do that. Got it got it Yeah, I agreed I don't I think that they introduced it to see what it would be like it was pretty fringe and everyone was like no Yeah, okay, yeah, like it is crazy, but they are having a great, own grave in the most desperation. And that's because. Yeah, yeah, it's awful. I think it's like a hell marry. This whole plan is a hell marry.

Yes. And I love how quickly it failed. It was so satisfying. Mm-hmm. Jim George. Just like that. Nunez memo, which by the way says that the Pfizer warrant was not based on the steel dossier. Just so you know. Uh-huh. Yeah. There's like multiple things that, yeah, I came before. says that the Pfizer warrant was not based on the steel dossier just so you know.

Yeah, there's like multiple things that came before. Not that you read it or anything. Yeah, exactly. I didn't read, sorry. My name is Devon Nunes. I, uh, okay. So continuing our Devon Nunes and his, uh, reelection going into what we were referencing before, uh, the Cowbfucking allocation,

which again is just like, uh, it's a deep state term for him. But basically it's this idea that Nunez goes around in his district that is filled with farmers and tries to say that he's a front of the farmers. He whatever has all these guys farmer. He's a farmer. I'm a farmer. Exactly. And he's constantly saying it and the farmers who by the way are largely like GOP members. They're not progressive people They're sick of him misrepresenting himself as a friend to farmers or someone that even farms and when we say they're not progressive people We mean like socially social democratic Yes, like not liberal. Yes.

Yeah, we're not using the word progressive, we need to know we're not saying like those are aggressive people. Right, right. No, the farming in California is some of the most high-tech incredible stuff that goes on. They feed the world basically. Yeah, yeah. And it's, yeah, just like you said, they're tired of a shit.

They're tired of him coming up and it is, you know, $500 shoes, saying he's a farmer. And they're like, no, you're not, man. And don't insult farmers that way. Yes. Also though quite literally, they, like, this story reports that they voted for Trump. So they're not, they're not democratic.

The people that are bringing this, they're not Democrats. Exactly, yeah. The effort to, okay, so sorry, I'm jumping out here. So basically, someone submitted a petition to the Sacramento Superior Court to make Definitists stop calling himself a farmer on the ballot. The petition was filed on behalf of the ballot. Is it on the ballot? That's where, that's what they're trying to do.

It's, yeah, it's initiative that's funded by a democratic pack But they got people that voted for Trump and and are like not you know They're not super progressive people. Yeah to be the face of this because they're the ones that are actually affected by new Nez lying and not supporting them and not being for them in the way he says he is Exactly and he how he should be because his whole representative, like his whole district is like fucking so tied to the farming industry. And a lot of them were probably not pro-Trump anymore because of the terrorists that are weakening the markets where they can sell things like soybeans and almonds.

Exactly. And all of the things that they grow here in California, we're again, we're one of the biggest agriculture producers in the world. And that is an important job. And to be toyed with like that, I would be pissed too. Exactly. You're taking away my markets and you're calling yourself a farmer and you haven't been in decades.

So please don't put farmer on the ballot to confuse people or to falsify information. It's like a lie. Exactly. So, three people in the district, Paul Buxman, he's a denubus stone fruit farmer, as well as Daniel O'Connell and Hope Nisley. They are advocating that he stopped being mandated to stop calling himself a farmer. It's hilarious. O'Connell is an active advocate for local farmers and is the executive director of

the Central Valley Partnership. His Facebook account lists his occupation as an ecosystem services consultant for the University of California Systems Agriculture and Natural Resources Department. So this is very, very, very smart dude, very involved in the farming community and all of their science. He doesn't, quote, I don't believe Nunez has had any income from farming for at least 10 years He has some interest in a few wineries, but he's distance himself from those and says he has no Yeah, it's very different and so yeah, I don't see any cows and marmeries. It's like Trump saying I've had a wineries in Charlottesville

Yeah, and he says that Devon has no involvement in their day-to-day management, even if you were to count a winery as farming. So again, when this comes out, people are saying these are deep-state farmers, and really you're wrong because Buxman, he's a stone fruit farmer, he says that he used to be a Devonunus supporter, which is crazy to me. And he's just tired of Devonunus calling himself a farmer when he is not. easy to me. And he's just tired of Devonunus calling himself a farmer when he is not. Because the well, his well's gone dry, for example, like his literal well, so his water source has gone dry. He's lost orchards due to lack of water. His neighbor's workers have been targeted in ice audits and the recent rush of tariffs have ruined the markets for his crops.

Yeah, it's the whole, I think it's coming down to now where finally people who voted for Trump are actually feeling the negative impact of doing so with tariffs, with immigration, they're losing their workers. And they're finding out now that they indeed were voting against their best interests. The tax cuts didn't come through. Nunez, he's never in his district. He's always in DC or in New York or whatever. And it's, yeah, they don't feel represented and I don't blame them. And we're really pulling for Andrew up there. Definitely, yeah.

And also I'm gonna live fact check myself. I cannot confirm that he voted for Trump. So don't take that to heart. Okay, okay. Just so he was a devonane. Oh, the stone fruit guy. Yeah, stone fruit guy. But they're supposed to get resolution

on that proposed ballot metric, it's on August 30th, so we'll do an update just for funsies. That's amazing. Yeah, and yeah, the calf-hucker thing comes from them just saying that he's basically screwing over farmers. So the more aggressive people are, like, we'll need as a calf-hugger.

Way funnier than what I thought. Yeah, no actual allegations of B.C. I'll be here as well as that. He's very beneficial to our, yeah. We're not gonna be in any end part of this shape or form. Yep. All right, well thank you very much. Thank you, Jordan.

And like I said, you should get a new boyfriend when he loses. Yeah, you know, I would love to as soon as I'm released from my past comments. Really? All right, you guys, are you ready for MananaGans? Yeah. Manana. Manana.

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Manana. Manana. Manana. Manana. Alright guys, the Maniford Trial was lit AF this week and I'd like to go over it in our new segment Mananigans. That's Man of Fort Trial. This segment will be around for as long as Man of Fort is on Trial So who knows that could be a while This one actually is wrapping up. But there's another one. Yeah, there's always gonna be I think another trial for him in prison

But a webcam seems invasive, but if he agreed Look at the Manafort in his natural environment Jail David Addenboro to just marry in for the Manafort or the honey Badger guy Paul Manafort don't give a shit. Oh my gosh That'd be cool. Oh Manafort don't care All right, so day five of the trial was Monday Rick Gates was on the stand and Monday He told the court, he and Manafort committed bank and tax fraud. But the stunner was that he admitted he had stolen

hundreds of thousands of dollars from Manafort by filing false expense reports. He embezzled and it was funny because he wouldn't say the word embezzling. And the, I think that actually came later in the cross examination, but they're like, so you embezzled. He's like, I falsified expense reports.

So you embezzled. He's like, I falsified expense reports. You don't want to say it. I'm like, he goes, why does it matter? And then he turns around to the jury and goes, I embezzled money from Paul Manafort. It was just hilarious. The jury likes him more now.

And I want to be clear, first of all, this guy is a criminal and an asshole and I hate these. Yeah, he's a terrible human being, he's garbage. And I, but that's just funny to me. It is funny. I am filled with money. If anyone flips the item, I like to go up a little bit of a notch in my book.

Yeah, yeah, just a peg or two. Yeah, still shitty. He is cooperating with the government. So I guess that's a silver lining, but for his terrible, still shitty. He is cooperating with the government. So I guess that's a silver lining, but for his terrible, terrible existence. Anyway, it makes sense though that this would come from prosecution because it takes it away from the defense

in case they wanted to use it to paint gains as a shitty guy, which is they're gonna end up being their whole defense. But he does go to jail for 100 years if he lies on the stand. So that's probably not likely. Then there were spats between Ellis and the prosecution. Again, when Ellis read them the riot act

for unnecessary questioning about the motivations of billionaires, then they had a pretty heated argument for about 10 minutes with Ellis criticizing Andres, the guy, one of the prosecutors, for not making eye contact and rolling his eyes. Look at me. He also banned the use of the word oligarch and had a back and forth with Andres about that all in front of the jury. Then late in the day, another big argument happened between Ellis and the prosecution about

the pace of the trial. Ellis kept telling Andres to get to it. And Andres replied, we're at the heart of the matter. And Ellis just yelled yell just listen to me And as the Gates testimony continued Ellis would continue Urging Andres to hurry it up continually interrupting saying next question and he would be okay next question And he would just like do that like Yeah, dick. He like he seems fun talk about what I'm gonna say

Yeah, but. He seems fun. He might talk about what I'm going to say. Yeah, but, opinion, bring it back. They also called a Treasury employee to the Stan Monday who testified that Manafort and Gates did not report their foreign bank accounts. And we learned that Manafort made over $60 million working in the Ukraine, which we learned from the testimony of Cindy LaPorta, which started Friday, but continued into Monday morning.

She talked about how Manifort avoided paying taxes by using shell accounts and Cypress and creating loans and then forgiving them. And incidentally, remember that one time in Manifort's notes from the Trump Tower meeting where he said use Cypress as enter, that now says to me, and this is a conjecture, but I'm right, that they actually discussed paying Russia for hacked materials in that meeting and they were going to use one of Manafort Shell's companies or Shell Bank accounts, one of his dozens of separate accounts as an intermediary to pay the Russians. So look for that. Look for that in upcoming Super seating and diamonds on Manafort

for crimes of collusion as outlined by the Rosenstein Scope memo. But some beans on it. And be sure to check out episode 23 for the information on that Rosenstein memo. We go over it in pretty good detail in episode 23. Day 6 of the trial Tuesday, Rick Gates was cross-examined by the defense, but the big surprise was the defense repeated questioning about Gates' extra marital affair. And he used a lot of that embezzled money to pay for that affair, including renting her a flat in London and stuff like that. So what a toad.

One at 7. Day 7, more Rick Gates. And the big story on Day 7 is that right at the end, one of the defense lawyers hinted that Gates had had four affairs, saying, did you tell the special counsel yet that you actually engaged in four extra marital affairs? To which the prosecution immediately objected. The defense here was trying to show that Rick Gates wasn't being truthful in his testimony but the prosecution objected immediately. There was a long sidebar up at the bench and they put this white noise machine on so the jury can't hear him talking and that has been put under seal because apparently, it contains info about, quote, ongoing and open investigations.

And indicating that Gates is still working with special counsel to me at least. This is clear evidence that he, maybe he slept with Bhutina or ribca. But it somehow tied to crimes of collusion. So one of his additional extramarital affairs has to do with future superseding indictments for crimes of collusion.

I wonder who it is. Yeah, wow, them bring that up. They thought I was gonna help their case. Little tunnel, it's gonna come back and probably be a nightmare for them. What if it's a broady related thing too? Because it, could it have involved? You think it gets sex with broady?

Well, I mean, not too, not too mention it. It's kind of them. Yeah, it gets sex with broiding? Well, I mean, not to you, not to mention it. It's kind of them. Yeah. He had an extra murder. Yeah, I should be able to be. I should be able to be a binary gender, or I should be. I can't be, anyway.

I can't believe that attorneys at that high of a level defense attorneys are doing that tactic where they bring up things that are supposed to just divulge deficiencies in their character that are completely irrelevant to the actual investigation. Like, it should know better that that's gonna get shut down. Well, and it's also a common thing, though, even if it gets shut down immediately,

the jury can't unhear it. They always say you can't unring the bell. And that's something lawyers have been doing, defense lawyers have been doing, especially when you don't have a case forever. They're like, oh, what about your penis being small, withdrawn. You know, and the jury will strike that from the cob.

Oh, yeah, okay, when I win a raise a that from the cob. Oh, yeah, okay. When I win away as a small dick. They like to do that to victims of sexual assault too and stuff. They'll try to get them all caught up in details that don't match up perfectly after they separate their time on the bench by months at a time. So, fuck up. Yeah, that's sometimes, you know, that's, yeah. That's gross.

Now, of course, on day seven, the judge continued giving an extraordinarily hard time to the prosecution about hurrying it along. He berated them when he learned one of their witnesses and IRS agent had been watching the whole trial from the gallery, even though Ellis had allowed him to stay. And they had to force Ellis to go back to the transcripts to prove to him that he said the guy could stay. And then Ellis goes, I don't care what the transcripts said. transcript said maybe I'm in mistake don't do it again. What a baby Dude

send him Gerbers, but doesn't he also like treat people like crap when he thinks they have a shot at one anxious Not necessarily like intentionally, but just like it's a coincidence It's almost like he subconsciously is tougher on people that he thinks I don't think it's subconscious You think it's conscious? Yeah, and I think I will get into that because you're, you know, you're right. Sometimes in order to make sure that the appeals process, they can't poke any holes in the case by being unduly difficult on the prosecution because you think they're going to win. It's kind of like how Mueller is doing his due diligence with this back and forth with

Giuliani to make sure that if he does a subpoena, nobody can shoot it down for him not doing and everything that he could. Totally. So Ellis doesn't ever want anybody to come back and question his judgment or his ruling or the outcome in a courtroom

and it helps prevent hung juries and it does all this other stuff. But it's also just a kind of a dick. Yeah, that's you, yeah, yeah. So day eight, Thursday, the trial started with an apology from Ellis Saying he was wrong to criticize prosecutors in front of the jury and he told the jury to not allow that to sway them in any way So that was nice

Also on day eight to To each other Yes, just kind of a grubby old man Also day eight two different banks testified that Manifort faked his profit and lost sheets We reported on this do you remember what we talked about how he asked gates Also day eight, two different banks testified that Manifort faked his profit and lost sheets. We reported on this. Do you remember what we talked about how he asked Gates? He got his profits, a profit and lost statement in a PDF document and he asked Gates if he

could transfer it into a word document. And then the formatting got all fucked up and they tried to change the profits and it looked obviously stupid and completely doctored. It was like bad Photoshop. It was almost like that Donald Trump Jr. Photoshop where he made Trump's approval rating go from 40 to 50. And it's so bad. Like stop, if you're a Republican,

stop trying to do Photoshop. And stop trying to amend PDFs. You suck at it, hire someone. But you know, you probably don't want to do that because we would testify against you. It's just hilarious to me to watch them try to do technology. It's so funny. It makes me feel so much better about myself. This is the son of the man that called in and falsified another person saying, what a great man. Anyway, these banks, so they got these profits, profit and loss statements,

changed their profit, like added $3.4 million, and the banks said they testified they would not have lent Manafort any of the money if they had known that, if they had seen their real profit and loss statement. And then we also learned from the Airbnb guy that Manafort listed his Soho condo as a second home, saying he lived their full time, which saves you a shitload in taxes when actually he was renting it out on Airbnb and not paying those taxes. But then a second sidebar happened that was put under seal. And in a filing Thursday Mueller's team said that it wanted to keep that sidebar under seal because it related to an open and ongoing investigation. When the defense asks Gates, quote, were you interviewed on several occasions about your time at the Trump campaign, unquote, the prosecution objected, before Gates could answer, and they had a sidebar.

And right after, Ellis called for a break during which the prosecution discussed, quote, ongoing criminal investigation into Russia, meddling, and possible coordination with the Trump campaign, unquote. They said, quote, disclosing the identified transcript portions would reveal substantive evidence pertaining to an ongoing investigation.

In addition, sealing will minimize any risk of prejudice for future trials from the disclosure of new information relating to that ongoing investigation. That, to me, says that that indicates they will, they're planning on having a future trial and a future jury for these future indictments. And also, he quoted saying the government's concern would continue until the relevant aspect of the investigation is revealed publicly. So it's coming out. I think that's blatantly clear evidence that superseating indictments from Ciphercrimes of Collision are coming, which we've been saying. So we're going to need some

bigger beans. And then came Friday. Friday was weird. The judge granted the request from special counsel to keep that secret conversation sealed. But then something weirder happened. The trial was held up for several hours after another bench discussion about the Mueller filing, criticizing Ellis and requesting he tell the jury to ignore one of his comments in order to prevent them from misunderstanding the gravity of the testimony presented to them.

When the prosecution was asking about a $5.5 million construction loan that Maniford applied for, but did not get. Ellis said, quote, you may want to spend time on loans that were granted, unquote. And the prosecution said that that statement misrepresents the law regarding bank fraud conspiracy and improperly conveys the court's opinion of the fact. You don't actually have to get the loan to break the law. It's like attempted murder is a charge still.

And so he said the Mueller's team said that could likely confuse and mislead the law. It's like attempted murder is a charge still. Yeah. And so he said, the Mueller's team said, that could likely confuse and mislead the jury. And this sparked speculation that there could be a plea deal because they had all this sidebar and they took five hours. But honestly, I think it was just the judge telling a jury to ignore what he said. He marched him in later and reminded them to keep an open mind and that man affords innocent

until proven guilty, seemingly in addition to something else he may have told them behind closed doors because he did go into the jury room for a long time. And then after he went into the jury room after they had that bench discussion, which is sealed now, and he was in there for a while, and then he let him go early for lunch. So I don't think there was any flipping, but you know, we're going to talk to Joyce fans about that in a minute too. And day nine was also the part where Manafort got $16 million in loans from Koch, who was promised a job as Secretary of the Army, but apparently was also promised like Secretary Treasury and the HUD Secretary, which is what Ben Carson got.

We learned that the two loan officers who were given use immunity for this trial said that they felt uncomfortable about Koch wanting to lend man of fort money so badly. I didn't have the money. I thought to myself, join the army. It's free. So they were totally cock blocking. Also on day nine, which is Friday BTWs, prosecutors filed a motion asking Ellis to revisit another comment he made in front of the jury and the prosecution says it will likely rest its case on Monday.

So I found that fascinating about all these sealed sidebars. I found it really, like there's like three big ones and so I felt compelled that I wanted to talk to an expert. Joining us today is one of my favorite MSNBC contributors. She's a law professor at the University of Alabama and previously served as the US Attorney in Birmingham under Obama. Please welcome Joyce Vance. Joyce, thank you for agreeing to appear on Mueller. She wrote, glad to be with you. Well, I'm very honored. Your insights on MSNBC are always succinct and educational. So I wanted to bring you on today to talk about the sealed sidebar conversations that have been going on in

the Manifort trial this week. So can you explain what those are and maybe why they wanted them under seal? It's very interesting. This looks mysterious and maybe even devious to folks who haven't spent a lot of time trying cases in a courtroom, but really when you're trying a case, these sort of things happen a good bit. And the reason for that is, juries should only hear evidence that's properly admissible in a case. And so judges will speak privately with lawyers to determine sometimes what that evidence is, if there are any other issues in the trial. And to make sure that at the end of the trial, the jury has only heard properly

admissible evidence so that whenever the result of the trial is, it can be affirmed on appeal. So I think it's important to put aside the fears that some people seem to have that there's mischief of put here. That said, though, these sidebars have been pretty interesting. I think the most important one came during the cross- examination of Gates, the government's star cooperating witness in this case, when he was asked by the defense on cross-examination about some of his conversations with the government and the government objected and proceedings

followed six pages of conversation between lawyers and the judge that are now sealed, which means we can't see them at least for now, but what emerged is a clearer picture of Gates's value to the government. And so this notion that although he's cooperating in the Manafort case, there are also other ongoing investigations that he's playing a role in. I think we've suspected that all along, Gates's plea agreement holds out investigations that he's playing a role in. I think we've suspected that all along, Gates' plea agreement holds out hope that he will in fact not serve any jail time

if his cooperation with the government is fruitful. And so that tells us that he had something very valuable to offer the government. The government was willing to indict Manifort without Gates as assistance. When they filed that indictment, they didn't know that gates would cooperate. He was a named co-dependent. So that tells us that although he has value in the Manafort prosecution, the primary

value he has to the government is probably in other areas. And we can speculate about what those might be if you want to. Well, yeah, no, I think you're, you know, that's a really good insight because I mean, we've been speculating for a while now that there's probably, you know, especially since that four-page redacted Rosenstein memo came out about the scope. And it said, Manifort was able to be investigated for crimes of collusion, whatever those might be. I understand there's several that could be in there. But these little sidebars, particularly the one you mentioned, kind of indicate

that there is open, there are open and ongoing investigations, potentially with Manafort, or even just as Gates being, he continued, I believe, to be part of Trump's campaign after Man of Fort Laft. So, I think that that's a really interesting indicator. And then of course, we also had the sidebar where the defense took that parting shot about four women, extra marital affairs. And then they had their little sidebar and put that under seal as well.

So, it's all very interesting. It is, you know, and the defense of strategy is to dirty up the government's cooperator they had their little side barn put that under seal as well. So it's all very interesting. It is, you know, and the defensive strategy is to dirty up the government's cooperator and convince the jury that they shouldn't credit any of his testimony. Of course, he was the person that Manafort chose to be the government star witness in effect.

So we'll have to wait and see how that plays out with the jury. Yeah, I agree. And I'm also with you that I think that the delay that happened on day nine was the, you know, I think it was several hours it, but the timing seems to be, you know, the government, the prosecutors filed their motion about curing something with the jury. The judge went into that jury room for quite a while. And apparently it got fixed. and he came back out, brought the jury out, did roll call and let them go early to lunch and then they picked up right after lunch. So I don't see it.

I kind of don't see anything going on there was a lot of speculation that perhaps a juror had been exposed to some outside information, which of course, juries shouldn't have happened during a trial and that the judge pains takingly may have spoken with the juror and with the lawyers in order to make sure that that juror could continue to fairly deliberate. These things happen not frequently. to fairly deliberate. These things happen not frequently, but Judge Ellis has been thorough about maintaining the integrity of this trial, and that option would seem to be in keeping with his general approach. Yeah, agreed, and I think that some of the other speculations that we're coming out about there being some sort of a flipping or some sort of a man-of-fort deciding to cooperate. I don't know that there was time in those discussions for that kind of a man-of-fort deciding to cooperate. I don't know that there was time in those discussions for that kind of a situation. Right. I saw that speculation. You know,

sometimes a descendant won't actually decide to plead until he realizes that the evidence is in and that he is inevitably going to be convicted, but man-of-fort certainly knew that walking into this trial and is willing to roll the bones for better, for worse. Yeah, correct. And he has a whole other trial coming up in September. So there's there's always right. Round two on slightly different charges. And it's worth pointing out that Manfort had the option, the government gave him the option of just doing it in one indictment. And he insisted that they indict him on these other charges in Alexandria where there was venue.

That meant the location that was correct for the government to bring charges. He could have waived that and dealt with this in the course of one trial, but he apparently wanted to have two. Yeah. Okay, so here's something that I had mentioned earlier in the show that kind of confused me. And it's about the Andrew Miller subpoena and they've been trying to get him in for months now and he's been Working through through that but then apparently he held himself in contempt of court So he could appeal it. I'm not quite sure I understand that move. Can you explain that to me?

This is very interesting and I'm not entirely sure what's going on here because the judge sealed these proceedings, and yet the lawyers came out of court and talked about it, and they indicated that they wanted their client to be held in contempt so that they could tee up for appeal. The issue of whether or not Mueller has proper jurisdiction a special counsel. You know, this argument we've seen before, Mueller was illegitimately appointed.

Therefore his indictment of Paul Manafort should be dismissed. They lost in the district court. Now they're trying to get that up on appeal, but typically when a court seals its proceeding, as you don't see the lawyers walk out and talk about them.

So I'll be interested to see if the judge has any comment on what happened after her hearing concluded. Yeah, that will be interesting to hear about. And then one final weird question that I saw on Twitter this week that apparently the DNC is suing the Russian Federation. We knew that from maybe a couple of weeks ago when they were trying to serve Kushner in that case, but they apparently processed served WikiLeaks via Twitter. Is that how much legal weight does a Twitter serve hold?

So this is absolutely a brilliant strategy in the DNC lawsuit. Of course, there will be some legal proceedings. I'm certain to determine whether or not service by Twitter is now a good form of service, but WikiLeaks is notoriously unavailable for service of process in legal proceedings. And the DNC, which is helmed by my former DOJ calling Tom Perez, who is the assistant attorney general in the Civil Rights Division, and a very fine lawyer in tactician, apparently came up with this strategy of serving WikiLeaks on Twitter, where WikiLeaks is present, and they went to the judge and the judge authorized this service.

And so yesterday, we saw this really interesting tweet from a process serving firm announcing that they were serving Twitter and this very public venue i haven't seen that before perhaps it has happened and i'm just not aware of it that definitely worth watching this could become a very interesting way of serving entities that are present on twitter but that don't have a physical office where they can be served you have that's pretty amazing they could set a precedent

it's good this could be a precedent. It really could. This could be a very interesting, very important development and perhaps an unforeseen consequence to some of these folks of using Twitter. Yeah, I was pretty taken aback by that. So I'm sure they'll go through the courts and it'll probably be appealed and all that. But, you know, who knows how it's going to shake out. The judge did approve it like you said so and and again I think one of the points of of process serving at least after looking at what happened with Kushner is is your due diligence

You try every single way that you possibly can and exhaust all of your options and and I think that this they just found a creative way to Add another Option to just kind of solidify the whole thing. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah, I think you're exactly right. And it's going to be very interesting because you mentioned, and I think rightly so, that this gets worked out on appeal.

America is getting this sort of law school education as a result of the Trump administration. And so far, we've been involved in criminal investigations and trials, and now it looks like America is about to learn about the appellate process. So that's great from my point of view, because I'm an appellate lawyer and think

that that's an important part of the process. But really, many of these issues are decided only preliminary in front of a district judge, a trial judge, and then they move on to one of the 11 circuit courts of appeals in the United States or some of the specialty appellate courts for a decision by a panel of judges. So this great adventure that our country is on together to explore its legal system is about to enter a new stage. Yeah, and I, again, I'm so honored that you were able to join us today.

You've clarified a lot of things for me. Everyone you can follow Joyce on Twitter at Joyce White Vance and always listen to her when she talks on MSNBC. She knows her stuff. So thank you so much for joining us today. That's so nice of you. I'm a huge fan of the podcast and it's an honor to get to join you. Oh, well, that's so great to hear.

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You already for the fantasy and diamond league. Yes Alright, well, before we get into this, you had put a pin in something when we were talking about the Manafort trial. What was it you wanted to say, Jordan? Yes, yes, yes, thank you. Just another thing of Ellis being a baby. He had, apparently at one point, I forget which prosecutor was exactly, but he was, he started berating a prosecutor and said that he's like, I understand your upset, but you have tears in your eyes right now.

I could see them. I could see you have tears. And he was like, I don't have tears in my eyes, Judge. He's like, I'm not a dad. I'm not a dad. That's what's going on. Yeah, I just thought that's incredibly unprofessional. That's ridiculous.

All in front of the jury. Exactly. That's just interesting. And I really hope it doesn't affect it in any way. And it's like, if you're trying to, like you said before, I think that's very true that he's trying to, you know, make this super sealed tight in the event of appeals. But tears in your eyes that has nothing to do with what's going to come up in appeals. That's not helping anybody.

Maybe he knows the jury will sympathize to that because the average person would be like, hey, this judges really mean. So maybe we'll consider that. Yeah, maybe just focus on your job first before tomorrow. There's a lot of games. It seems. I don't think it's games. I think it's just an asshole. Yeah. And we've heard this from multiple multitudes of prosecutors who've tried cases in his courts.

He's just a jerk. He's just an angry, bitter old man. And I mean, maybe he's a very happy guy. And he gets it all out at work, you know? I don't know. Maybe that's like his kickboxing. I really don't know what the situation is, but I don't know him very well. But what I do know is the mountains and mountains of evidence in this case are heavily

weighed against Man of Fort. And I don't, I'd like to think that none of this a wholeery on display by LS is going to have any effect on the fact that there are stacks and stacks of documents and proof that tax fraud and all this stuff. I think you'll be found guilty on 10 counts. Totally. Anyway, back to fantasy indictment league. Let's see.

With the clue for me this week in the Mueller subpoena that credit go is not going to testify until September, I'm taking stone and and Assange off my list this week, because you can't get Stone without Cretico's thing, his testimony. Or you can, but I don't think he will. He's kind of a tie up all the loose ends sort of fellow. So I'm taking Stone and Assange off my list and I'm going with Donald Trump Jr.

Though now I think there won't be any conspiracy and indictments at least until September. But I want going with Donald Trump Jr. though now I think there won't be any conspiracy indictments at least until September. But I want to put Donald Trump Jr. and Kushner on there. And it's Kushner because Julie says you and I talked about earlier that he could be indicted on all these financial crimes aside from a conspiracy. And that could come out prior to then. And Donald Trump Jr. just because that brings me joy. So Kushner Jr. I need the high point value too. Cohen, but he'll be indicted in the Southern District

of New York, but that counts. They don't have to be indicted in the Mueller investigation. It's as long as he's wrapped up or referred by. And I think Bhutina could get another superseding indictment, those count by the way, superseding indictments. And then one Rando Russian that I've never heard of. So put me down for that. Okay.

Rando Russian, Bhutina, Cohen, Kush, Junior. Those are my five. What about you guys? Nice, yeah.

Mine are the same. It's just like a little emphasis on Kushner. Because yeah, with the manifold financial stuff, following the money, you're right. I think that would be something that could come way before the collusion stuff. Because collusion will probably be an afterthought for a lot of people after they see all the money. It might be easier to just have the case

after they make those connections. Yeah I don't know but yeah that's stuff that he could have. Stuff that Mueller could have on him in conspiracy could be. I mean I think it's in full. Yeah but the money stuff is just like it's right easy. It's just like right. Yeah yeah yeah. And it's kind of like the Russians, the Russian diamonds, and the man afforded diamonds, the gates and diamonds, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, low hanging fruit. Mm-hmm, right.

What are our superseding and diamonds points? Are those separately? It's, it depends on who it is. Got it. But in a diamond and a superseding and diamond are the same value points for depending on the person. Okay, then I for sure am adding buttina because I think you're totally right about that.

Stone, if he continues to refuse to respond to his subpoena, I don't know, maybe would it just go straight to indictment? I think he really wants to get that credit-co testimony though. I think he really needs it, if he wouldn't be going after it so hard, if he, I mean, they've tried to get him in like four times or something and he's been refusing.

Yeah. Now he's put himself in contempt. Um, or was that Miller? That was Miller. My bad. Yeah, Miller. But they're all stone people. Yes, yeah.

And then yeah, the Manhattan Madam who has gone in now, their whole ring of criminals. Mm-hmm. Okay. Well, I'm going to keep stone on there. Just cuz fuck that guy. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, DTJ, for sure. Really hoping Kushner, goddamn, why is it taking so long? Come on. Yeah, that's the question. Why does it take so long to take his security clearance, man? This guy. No, I mean, I think it's probably just indicative of how close he is to Trump, so that's actually probably good. True. Yeah, so let me let me just cover that.

Clarify. Credico is testifying September 7th. Miller is the guy who held himself in contempt and refuses refusing to testify. Okay. And so I remember us reporting on that couple of days ago. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, cool.

Which is, yeah, because he doesn't even seem, he's a big fish in that he knows a lot, I guess, but yeah, I don't know. He was a scheduler. So stone scheduler. So Stone's scheduler. So he would have known all the meetings when it happened. And that is some probably corroborating testimony that Mueller really wants before he throws the cuffs on Stone.

Yeah, I think that's fair. I agree with you. Miller would not be indicted. So taking him off your indictment list is what you did, right? Or did you ever have him on your indictment leak? Oh, he's on there. OK. I just mean. Oh, I thought you were taking him off your indictment list is what you did, right? Or did you ever have him on your indictment leak? Oh, he's on there. Okay.

I just mean. Oh, I thought you were taking him off. Well, I'm taking, I'm taking stone and a sange off because I don't think that because Miller is delayed, because he's helping himself in contempt of court and credit code is delayed. He's not testifying until September 7th. And I don't think that Mueller will and stones the target in that. And I don't think he's gonna get stone until he wraps up the investigation with those two. So there's a few more. And I don't think he can indict those two until after he interviews them either.

Okay, I get it. So you're down the road. So you're down the road and you're leag to like this week. Yep. It's this week. Yeah. Beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like Jared Man, I can't wait. Any minute now, I stand by it. Yeah, Tina though, she's a good, you know, she's arrested, but like, what if they get her for that?

If it's not, and I'm lying and conspiracy, those are her two indictments so far. There we go, okay. So more indictments, yeah. Yeah. Once again, on this week of Jordan doesn't understand how fantasy football works. I'm in the same boat.

Yeah, I'm going to, okay, I'm going to say. I'm in the same boat. Yeah, I'm gonna, okay, I'm gonna say. I wonder if people bet on our picks, and then it's like fantasy, fantasy indictment. Ooh, that's meta. Yeah. Thank you. Okay, I'm gonna do DGJ Kushner, Bettina. I don't think Assange is going down this week,

Orstone, I totally agree with that. Miller, that'd be great. Who the fuck it holds himself in in-contemptive court? What, I've never heard of that. Apparently it's to file an appeal, you know, that's what Joyce was saying and she didn't get it either She was like, I don't know where's going with that something how he wants to appeal his own thing Yeah, I will more question it Mueller's trying to wrap up in the next few weeks you think right? I don't know not even like a

Theory like I think we're talking about early. I think he'll wrap up when he's done. Yeah, so like it probably would go past the midterms. You're thinking. Again, I don't know. I don't know what Mueller thinks is the date he has to stop dropping, like not, he's not going to stop investigating during midterms, but he's not going to drop any indictments in a window around the election. And I don't know what his window is.

Even if people are saying like, you know, interfere with the election if you do it, you don't think he'll care about that. Like he'll just go with whatever. No, I'm saying he's not going to drop any indictments. Oh, okay, okay. And maybe it's September 1st to the day after the election. Oh, okay, I see. Or maybe it's September 15th to the day or maybe it's October 1st to the day after election. I don't know what Mueller's, what, because Mueller will not interfere with the election.

He will not do it. So he's not going to drop any indictments near the election. I don't know what Mueller's what because Mueller will not interfere with the election. He will not do it. So he's not going to drop any indictments near the election. But I don't know what his so there'll be election indictments and posts and I'm trying to think there might not be pre-election indictments. He might not be done in time for his window, whatever that is. If he wants to get everything, you know, if he's going to stop September 15th, dropping indictments. So he doesn't interfere with the election. And he doesn't wrap up the September 7th stuff with credit go or he doesn't get Miller in like he wants to. And he can't drop all of the collusion indictments until he has stone, which means he has to have all those stonehenge guys. He might not drop any indictments until after the election. I just don't know what his time frame is.

The weight of indictments in a blue wave two would just be generally better. I think. Yeah, yeah. Just for morale. Right. I guess. It would be good for everyone. Yeah. I think maybe a subpoena to Trump, not an indictment, but a subpoena to make him testify prior to Kavanaugh's hearing would be helpful. Mmm. And that's pretty innocent. That's not gonna. I mean, it could fuck with an election as it should, but I can't be anyway. I know it could be like, fuck Mueller for subpoenaing someone. It's not like it's a super big move. I mean, it's a huge move, but it's not as big of a move as indictments of people like

Kushner. Right. It could be worth. Yeah. That's why I'd like to see that subpoena happen sooner rather than after the election. But I mean, he might not do it. Yeah. Yeah, it's a big move. Not like a kid.

Yeah, All right, did we get a winner for the PlayStation? Oh, I was gonna ask Julie so about that you were gonna you were gonna do that right? Remember we all sorry. I thought you were gonna do it. Well, we had the person winner and wanted to donate it Yeah, and then you were gonna do it because you would talk with her about you had like seen her little like you're right That was yeah, that was my move. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And it's funny. I talked to her earlier. We're transparent here.

Yeah. So we're going to announce that next week. Absolutely. Yeah. All right. Cool. That's good. PlayStation 4.

Not many get you PlayStation 2. I'm kidding. Also, the reason it's taking so long is because we've picked like a million people, four, five. But they don't respond to us. Yeah. They didn't get five. We've been reaching out to people. And then the last person we picked was like,

oh, that's so cool, I want to donate it. So we're going to find the next person down the line. Yeah. Yes, transparency and government and media. Inflation and podcasts. Are you guys ready for sabotage? Yes. All right, this week in sabotage, I found a story from our buddy Scott Stedman. He dropped it the day we record this, which is Saturday.

And it's about Carter Page, our friend, and how he found out that energy investment group, here's the headline, energy investment group claims 350 million in capital commitment from Carter Page after 2016 election. So an investment company that's based in Vegas, that's your hometown, right, Jordan? It is. And this investment company with oil and gas interest

in the Middle East claimed that they got a commitment of $350 million from Carter Page's global energy capital after Page's involvement in the Trump campaign. So the investment company, they're called RD Heritage Group, all Republicans have heritage in their... they claimed on their website that they had secured a capital commitment, capital commitment of hundreds of millions of dollars from Pagens Company, basically saying $350 million in capital commitment by global energy capital and investment management and advisory firm focused on the energy sector primarily in emerging markets, which means the Middle East.

Global energy capital was founded by Carter Page. Carter spent seven years as an investment banker at Merrill Lynch in London, Moscow, and New York. Carter was also a foreign policy advisor to Donald Trump. So in, and this is important because in, when Page testified to Congress in November of 2017, he said he had no other income beyond passive investments in 2016 and 2017.

And when asked to clarify by Swalz, well, he reiterated, he had no clients in 2016 and 2017. And when asked to clarify by Swal's, Swal will, he reiterated he had no clients in 2016 and 2017. So he lied to Congress with no clients and no income and no public business transactions is entirely unclear how he thought he could come up with $350 million for this investment to already heritage. And, but there's email messages and calls. Or what I should say is that I know Stedman tried to email and call them and page and

everybody, and none of them would come in on the story. Their registered address is a UPS store, where this $350 million was going to come out of, to UPS store in Vegas. And the only other deal that they had going on since 2013 was earlier this year with something called Lean Life Health. That's a Canadian pharmaceutical company. And Arty Heritage and all of its partners are actually not accused of any wrongdoing. They were just paid off for them $350 million. So the question is, first of all, he lied to Congress saying he didn't have any clients. And he told Congress he had no money. So where is he going to

get $350 million? Where do you think he's going to get that? I'm thinking, do you guys remember the Ross Neft sell-off? That Trump was supposed to get 19% of, that Carter Page was a broker for. Maybe that's what he thought he was gonna use to do this. But wherever it comes from, or wherever it maybe didn't exist, the fact of the matter is that he lied to Congress. So I was wondering, that's why I have it in sabotage if you thought

that you might wanna bump Page up to your fantasy indictment league. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And remember, it's just for this week. Yeah, for this week, I'm gonna say no for this week because I think it would take longer. Yeah.

Yeah, I see the same, but it is interesting. I'm for DTJ and Kushner though, but they're on my league. And he dresses so suspiciously. Also, I still have two left. So I'm gonna say yes and a random Russian to just mine up. Okay. Just like the guy in the neighborhood watch pictures, doesn't he? I was actually in court the shadow. Yeah, he looked like the guy that's gonna look out for.

I was asking Scott, like, how was he, do you think he was gonna pay 350 billion dollars? Was he gonna have like a floppy hat sale? Like, would he, he's Inspector Gadget. He had no money. Yeah. I just assume these people always have pools of money flowing in somewhere. I just have no clue which one it would be. And I don't know if it's specifically the Rossignath sell-off or if it's just some other thing that the Trump campaign had in the works that he had his fingers in. It could be any number of millions of bad deals or you know when I say bad I mean well they're bad. Yeah. Shady deals.

The ketical illusion is multiple streams of income. Yeah. Totally. All right you guys, it's time for Q&A. So this week, we don't have like a theme song for Q&A. I was gonna say there's just a piece of Death Space there. We'll get something next week. Q&A, do do do.

Okay, that's all I got. Yeah, so we wanted to do a couple of reviews. You guys have some reviews that you want to read? Oh yeah. This is, these are my favorite. Our one star reviews. You start good or bad? Our hilarious.

Oh, let's go, let's start bad. And then we'll end up with the nice ones so that I feel better. Oh, sure. Yeah, okay. I can do, well actually, I'm gonna pull it up really quick. Just like that. Yeah nice one so I feel better. Oh sure. Hey, yeah. Okay. I can do... Well, actually, I'm gonna pull it up really quick. Yeah, yeah, I'll go ahead and do the first one.

So this is from Davey Crockett, 2-2-2-2. He said, three words, Trump derangement syndrome, and then a winky face. I think the winky face is suggested. I think he's like, I like it. But he gave us one star. He did. So maybe he's like snarky about it, but he's like, I don't know. I just think it's just old and he doesn't understand emojis. Oh, that's the, yeah, sad truth probably.

Kind of like, Man of Fort can't figure out PDFs. Yeah. And DT Junior can't figure out Photoshop. That's true. I think trolls are just so mysterious sometimes. They could be pretty simple too, but in this case, he might be trying to tell us something. Maybe he's Russian. Maybe he's trying to tell us Russian. Yeah, maybe he's trying to tell us Russian. There's a lot of numbers in his name.

It's going to be too, too, too, too. Yeah, while the twos. Yeah. A suspicious amount of twos. Very interesting. It reminds me of the Mitch Hadberg. I wish my phone number was too, too, too, too, too, too. And people were like, how do I get a hold of you?

I've just pressed 2 for a while. That's funny. He has an odd number of twos, I think, also, which is really not. We see the five twos in this name. That does mean 10. A odd number of even numbers. Yeah, so I wonder, does he like the number two itself,

or does he like 22? Davey Crockett. Yeah, I don't know where it ends Where does the madness and King of the Wild frontier? Hmm. Yeah, tweet is Stevie Trump derangement syndrome I've been hearing this go around and to me what it sounds like is the people are saying that Trump has derangement syndrome And I agree with you. He should get that checked out. That is sad Yeah, it took me a while to decipher that negative review

Stating exactly what they're saying and then they put a winky face. Yeah, yeah, I think he likes it. I think it's, again, misunderstanding of technology by Republicans, by Trump supporters. I shouldn't say Republicans. She said, yeah, emojis, reviews, all things. They're just confused. They're very confused.

What's yours? All right, so mine is by mission accomplished, certain off bad. That's not a good, reminds me of Bush too much. And okay so this review is from a it's titled nasty language. It's as she says, or he, women talking like 15-year-old boys with phrases like, noob the truth. There's more snide-and-snark than facts. Yeah I think that your misogyny can't see past women using the F word and therefore you don't hear the facts.

Yeah, people will really pollute the truth. Yeah, they love to, yeah, and also it's fucking two hour long podcasts. We have more snide starts and facts. And calling us boys, that's a, I mean, that's what I take offense to being called boys, would I take offense to women not being able to talk in ways that apparently only boys talk like yeah. Oh, I guess that's really what it gets down to the massage and like you're saying, A.G. But it's kind of has a woman sound to it, right? It sounds like a lady. It's a proving mother. Exactly.

Exactly. Mastie language. I've never heard a man be like these women in their nasty language. What Trump called Hillary nasty. And what's up with the name Mission Accomplished? Oh, that's an old bush thing where he after the war he's like Mission Accomplished. So they're not pro bush or they are pro bush. They're pro bush. And then Trump also used the Mission Accomplished thing and everyone laughed out at him.

Maybe you shouldn't use that because it's one of the biggest Political faux pas in the century So anyway, what about some good ones? Okay, we have so many good ones plenty good ones Okay, if I say one chili so that you already had you can stop me. No, I have a lot Okay, so I like this one. This one is from Jim in Ohio too. Also another two. I don't know It's called musseless Podcasts for the Trump resistors. Having consumed many, many podcasts around in the Trump Russian scandals,

this one, this is one of the best. Not sure why someone wrote it was low quality sound. Audio quality is great. And the show has high production values as well. Shout out to Jalissa. Whoa, whoa. Smart, funny, and insightful. MSW is what podcasting should be.

Thank you, Jim. That's awesome. Thanks, Jim. I like that one. I like that one. Yes, right back at you. All right, give us one, Jelisa. Okay, this is from Abby, Boozone, or Buzzon.

Says mind-blowing facts. This crew is hilarious and smart and amazing. If they're wrong about a fact, they come back to it and correct themselves. That is how you know they are good, honest journalists. This is my new NPR. Yeah. Thank you. That is a big compliment. Are we journalists? I mean, I don't call myself one, but I'm not one to tell someone what to call me sometimes.

I mean, if you, yeah, that's true. What is the definition of a journalist exactly? Reporters, I think to a degree we report. I think we're fourth estate, but I don't know. I feel like that's like, I feel like so legit. That's crazy. Yeah, that's a huge compliment. Thank you. Thank you. Sometimes we get insights from guests and stuff that may have not been previously reported. And they're journalists. So I mean, if they, they like us, and I am strong with the imposter syndrome as we've discussed So maybe it's just me not feeling like I worthy of that. Yeah, I don't know what the definition of yeah Maybe she looked at that that's hilarious that we're having a conversation about this. Yeah, we all have What yeah one more each one more okay, okay, okay, this one is How to choose all right this one's called Triwan Episode, you will not regret.

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watch you walk away. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. With a little less sexism than I do. True, true. But I mean, I think when it's from a woman, Autumn Joy, I just assume that's a woman now that I think about it. I'm part of the party. Do you know why they want they love to see you walk away? Because of my butt. Yeah, all right. Just checking. Yeah, it's empowering, I think, if coming from certain, you know, I'm just gonna leave it at that. Empowering in the butt stuff. Yeah, yeah.

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you got to subscribe on Apple and leave us a review. That's the best way to do it. They've they've told me and uh, but you know, I can't edit PDFs or use emotive properly. So I might not be the right person. You should do an edited version of a bad review. A bad photo shot. I think so. I think so. Yeah. I did that one time, but this somebody tweeted out

something about, I love how Obama and Hillary are giant pieces of shit all in caps. And I crossed out everything except I love Obama and Hillary. And I said here I fixed your tweet for you. But like blacked it out like obviously. It's cute. Didn't even try to Photoshop it.

All right, so we've got a couple questions this week. At T. Ferrandino asked if there will be a scheduled protest to protect Mueller. The only one I know about is the one that would be triggered by Mueller or Rosenstein's firing and for info on that you can check out Trump is not above the law.org and then you can find the protest near you for when that happens. At underscore radiator cat, yay. Wants to know if I think Hope Hicks interaction with Trump is obstruction or witness tampering and Marissa Gabrielle says, quote, Hope Hicks meeting with Trump on a plane.

Witness tampering her butt stuff. I know. Do you butt stuff tonight? I wanted to butt stuff tonight. So as you probably all have heard, hope Hicks boarded Air Force 1 this week with Trump to go to Ohio. And for a group of people who flipped out

about LaReta Lynch meeting on a plane on a tarmac in Phoenix with Bill Clinton for 10 seconds, even though she had nothing to do with the Hillary investigation because Komi was taking it out on his own, which is why you guys wanted him fired in the first place. So what? You can't come to me and say he went rogue and he did it himself without talking to his AG and deputy AG. And so that's why he's he's was fired. Oh, but look the deputy the AG is talking to Bill Quentin on the plane So they're totally conspiring because she's in charge of that investigation. You can't say she is and then say she isn't whatever

You know what I'm talking about But yeah, she boarded the plane and I you know someone was like maybe she was wearing a wire and and no the secret servers won't let you on With a wire and, and no, the secret service won't let you on with a wire. They'll find it. Um, so I doubt that that's the case, but I'm sure Mueller will want to bring her back in and ask her what happened on the plane. Uh, I would. So we might be able to look for that subpoena soon or she might just voluntarily go in and

speak to her about it. Yeah. I saw a headline that suggested that maybe she could, it's, it was an opinion piece, I think, um, that maybe she's thinking about getting it was an opinion piece, I think, that maybe she's thinking about getting back into working for him or something. Oh, yeah, she was going to take a position at his campaign doing something, not as, yeah, for his campaign, for his 2020 campaign. Oh, yeah.

Something like that, or maybe work back at the White House with them or something like that. Yeah, I can find the source and bring it back. That's weird. At Big Politics, nerd wants to know the word for the frustration we all feel waiting for indictments, kind of like the political equivalent of blue balls. Well, as you know, I've compared it to waiting for the beat to drop in an EDM song, but at Sam Stanton says it's called Sadistic Edging. And he says that's a nuke phrase. I'm like, no, that's a brilliant phrase. I feel like it's a purgatory. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Like we're all kind of being punished sort of for not staying on top of all of this as a citizenry, you know? As meta. Maybe. Yeah, yeah. I like that. It falls into the simulation idea too, you know, whether it's religious or whatever.

It's like the idea that we're all kind of left behind. Yeah. We took our democracy for granted and fucking sicknesses have taken over. It's not our fault though. It's their fault, but I'm just saying. Apathy. Yeah. This is everyone's problem. Sam Stanton also wanted to know something. Now that Peter Smith is back in the conversation, but Peter Smith is the guy

killed himself, remember, with the no foul play note. There's a buzzfeed piece out on him now. And at the time, Shane Harris told us he felt that there was no foul play as his suicide note read, but he says he never felt right about it. So let's go over that timeline. I went over this timeline this week when I spoke at the Kremlin annex protests. June 7th, 2016. That was Giuliani's pre-Trump tower meeting meeting. Do you remember when he was like,

we had a pre-meeting trip wasn't there? That was June 7th. And that night, Trump promised a speech about Dirt on Hillary the following Monday. Then the next day, June 8th, Russia launched DC leaks, and then on the 9th was the Trump Tower meeting with Vesonetskaya. Two days later on the 11th, Asandra appeared on UK television saying Hillary Dirt was coming, and later on the 11th, Asanja appeared on UK television saying, Hillary dirt was coming. And then on the 13th, Trump was supposed to give his dirt speech, but didn't. Likely because he thought he'd have physical emails in his hands from that meeting.

But instead, they just promised they would set up the dirt and agreed to set up leaking outlets like DC leaks and Goochifer 2.0 with payment going through one of Manafort's super-yout intermediaries. Remember his notes from the Fusion GPS transcripts? June 14th, next day, Russia launched Gucci for 2.0. And the next day, Gucci for leaked DNC and D-Triple C emails. Then between June 14th and July 27th,

is when Peter Smith was looking for Hillary's emails. On the dark web, said dark web folks had reached out to him, and he went to this guy named Tate at the FBI and asked him to verify if these were really Hillary's emails. And then of course July 27th Trump gave his public wink telling Russia to hack Hillary, right? If you listen to him, 30,000 emails. And hours later they attempted to, but never succeeded that we know about. And Peter Smith says he's working with Kellyanne Conway and Clovis and Flynn and Bannon, and BuzzFeed is now reporting that Smith spent money looking for Hillary's emails and even set up an account to manage the cash flow. 88 total transactions with

about $140,000. The FBI agent that he was working or talked to in a mat tape who warned Smith that whomever was saying they had Hillary emails was likely a part of Russia's campaign against the US to interfere in the elections. The word is that Flynn was in contact with Smith about all this, Peter Smith. And he's been cooperating with special counsel for a while now. So we might see this in a separate indictment from the Trump Tower conspiracy, or it could have all been connected. We just don't know. My guess is that it was one of several side efforts.

Uh, and Flynn is going to bring down, I think probably Clovis, Kellyanne, and Bannon, along with that. Now, Peter Smith is deceased. So, that's all the weird trying to find Hillary's emails and who was coordinating it. And I think that was Stone is such a big piece of that. And speaking of that, Chris Bliss, one, says he used to think Stone was a bit player, but now he suspects there's something about Assange and Gutefer. We don't know possibly a big deal. Well, that's it. Here's what I think. I think that in the Trump Tower meeting with Vassal Nezkaya,

Donald Trump, Jr. Manifort were promised hacked emails. So they set up, they agreed to set up DC leaks in Guchifer 2.0 and Manifort was said that they could pay them to do that out of one of his separate accounts. And Stone said he knew a guy who could get Wicked Elegs for the Trump campaign instead. Not person is a credico. And they'd be way better at deploying hacked documents and emails.

WikiLeaks is just a much bigger platform than DC leaks or Gucci for 2.0, which, you know, they said were Romanian and not tied to Russia, but the indictments that Muller Drop proved that they were. So the stone was the go between for the Trump campaign and WikiLeaks. So who knows better whether or not Manifort also paid WikiLeaks, but he certainly paid Russia. And so, you can put some beans on that, if you want. That's all conjecture, by the way, well, conjecture.

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Any last thoughts? No, I think that cover is so much. It was a lot this week. That was so much. Yeah. I feel like more and more hope is dropping every week, though. Yeah. Hope picks.

Oh, no. It's, Yeah, it's definitely picked up about three weeks ago and it hasn't stopped ever since that trees in mega-sode. You should check that out if you haven't. And it's, yeah, the news I think is not going to stop until maybe we get that little election break, you know, from Mueller Go Enceilant, Radio Silence for, so that, you know, because he's he's 100% going to make sure he doesn't interfere in the elections That would be bad For for both sides. So anyway, thank you guys so much for listening Please become a patron subscribe to us on Apple podcasts. We love you so much our series

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