Jack - The Woman

Episode Date: November 25, 2019

This week on MSW: congress has wrapped up the Ukraine portion of public hearings in the House Intelligence Committee this week. We discuss.

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Yes, beautiful leather. It is a really, really nice day. It seems extra bright. Yeah, it does. I don't know what what that it like sometimes it seems more sunny than other days even though like the way that we talk about weather on this show as San the against every time I'm just like oh god we must sound like such days. Yeah, because I mean that's our that's how we like today. It was true sunny. But there are fall colors a little bit which is really nice nice. Yeah, that's kind of feel in the air a little bit. Yeah, a little bit of a crisp. Maybe getting into the 60s feeling. Yeah, that's high 60s.

I know. We really shouldn't talk about the weather. It's just not fair. But it's just- We pay for it. We do. We have to. Oh god, don't wings. The sunshine tax is real. Yeah, yeah, it's it's expensive here folks. Which makes me wonder why the two more expensive cities like New York and San Francisco aren't notoriously sunny. So what are they paying so much for? I guess it's just

Being in it. Yeah. True. Yeah. It's really not enough housing, low-cost housing, not enough rent control. Yeah. That's an issue here. I had a friend in San Francisco, actually, who just left after 20 years. And I remember visiting her last year and she was like, you know, if I want to move, I've got to leave the city. She's a little older than me.

She's in her mid-40s and she was like, I've lived in the department for 15 years. And if I want to leave this apartment, I have to leave San Francisco. Yeah, a lot of people are in that. And she did. She was like, I should move to a different state, actually. But yeah. What she moved about a curiosity.

Florida. Oh, okay. Yeah. Nice. Yeah, back home to her family. Oh, cool. Yeah. Family.

Yeah, family. It's like, there has to be an underlying reason. Yeah. To choose Florida. I'm just kidding. Sorry Floridian. We're so mean to you. I lived there. I loved it. Some things I didn't like. It's just like any other place. You know, it's just fun to make fun of it. There are the headlines. It is, especially being from California. It's just what we do. You know, at sorry, they're wonderful people. Wonderful place. And it's South Florida is gorgeous. Oh yes, yes.

And so is the golf coast. And I, you know, I can't say enough good things about, about that area and the peoples. So, but the headlines. Yes, but a Florida man, dot, dot, dot. And of course, Greg O'Lear or Oliar, excuse me, postulating that the reason Trump was moving his residency from New York to Florida isn't to evade taxes or anything like that. It's so he can put Ivanka on the ticket

as a vice presidential candidate because apparently you can't have both president and vice president be residences of the same state. I am surprised that there are no rules around having an immediate family member as presidential candidate. Are there no rules for that? I'm surprised that you can't. There's some ethical guidelines around nepotism in the White House. Yeah. But I would think that there would be explicit rules around not having your child or your spouse be, your running mate, because then it seems to, I guess not.

Yeah. They didn't plan for this. Well, there are also new rules that say that they have to be, I guess not. Yeah. They didn't plan for this. Well, there are also new rules that say that they have to be of the same party. As we know, Abraham Lincoln shows what Andrew Johnson, a Democrat, to be his running maid as a dual party ticket to get more votes and stuff like that. Of course, Andrew Johnson turned out

to be the worst president in the history of the universe except for Trump. But one of the... Can you guys give me a really super quick summary of the bad shit about Andrew Johnson? Because I grew up in Canada, and I know he's bad, I've heard. But I don't. Super racist, he was against reformations,

he didn't want to give black people any rights at all. Congress, the likes of... The likes of people. The likes of people. The likes of people. The likes of people. The likes of people. The likes of people. The likes of people. the likes of Congress, were really, really upset with them. And so they set an impeachment trap for him, basically saying, passing a law that says you can't fire any of your cabinet members as president. And when he did, they tried doing peach him basically, because they didn't like him. They didn't end up doing that. But it came close. And it also gave

impeachment a really bad name. It's been a minute, though. So, gotcha. 1860 something. So, I'm going to, I'm going to look them up and hate read about him. Yeah, he's gross. Cool. Thank you for that. And just a reminder to everyone, we're working on getting some video in the studio, some cameras in here that and that'll be available for patrons. Becoming a patron gets you ad free episodes of our sister podcast, The Daily Beans. You also get great gifts like our Super Space Beans mug. You'll get the newsletter with my personal research notes and infographics, jokes and funny memes, pre-sale tickets to live events and meetups, access to the closed social media groups where you can play the fantasy and dietment league, and your contribution helps us hire new staff, pay a well

above a living wage, and offer health care to our employees. Even the part timers, so thank you also much for your support as patrons. It makes all the difference in the world to us. It really does mean a lot. So thank you for that. And with all that out of the way, it's time for my favorite segment, not new, corrections. Oh, I made a mistake. All right, let's start from Tim Waterhouse and met Mortison, Sue Gerrell, Tony Adams, Fia, Peter Steven, all sorts of people wrote in about, I think, the sweat stuff. No, was it?

Yeah, Princess Andrews. Princess Andrews sweat. I made a small mistake in my reporting about Princess Andrew and people had feelings about him and his sweat. So, I've been listening to MSW for over a year and I love what you're doing. Regarding the daily beans episode domestic political Aaron, Prince Andrew's claim of being unable to sweat was an attempt to discredit Virginia Roberts' account of having had a sweaty dance with him at a London nightclub in one of their meetings.

I was giving him the benefit of the doubt. I shouldn't have done that. I should know better. And then there's a couple links to the BBC from News Night about that. And he's basically saying he can't sweat. So to discredit her story. So that must have been another man.

Never let him see a sweat is a whole new meaning. They were in a club. It would have happened to dance club. Well, are they always throwing champagne down anyway? It could have been any liquid. It could have been vomit, it could have been pooped down. Yeah, we had to be crazy nice in the club. Hey, VIP George everywhere. Got the dubstep analog club down town. I remember doing a show opening for I can't remember who had writer for Chelsea lately and who had writer for Chelsea lately. And, uh, Franjola, Chris Franjola.

And he took us all to his VIP booth at analog across the street afterwards. It was like Billy Bonnell and Greg Santos. And we're all sitting there in a VIP booth being waited on hand and foot with a bunch of hot chicks trying to hit on all of us, all of us. And, um, and they bring it over bottles of champagne with sparklers in them and, you know,

bottle service and all that shit. And it's dubstep music. And I'm just sitting there like, oh my god, this is the worst thing I've ever had to endure in my life. And I'm wondering, is this what comics or is this their goal? Ah, maybe. Like, to get to a point where your headliner takes you out

to this kind of a club, because I'm, I'm, I don't need this. Yeah, that's so antithetical to the spirit of comedy too. It is. You're right. Just like basic partying. Although I do like that shit. Yeah, super baser.

Red solo cups. Yeah. Caggers. Yeah. It's hard to convince comics to just go out for a night and we're all so stuck for a day far. Yeah. We're all, we don't deserve any of this.

Yeah. Stupid. Yeah. So that was just a dive bar. Yeah. So we're all, we don't deserve any of this. Yeah. Stupid. Yes. So that was just a weird night. But, um, so you, apparently, Champagne. Sweating. Yes.

By the way, they say, I'm a UK listener, I find learning about the fucked up state of US politics. A welcome distraction from our own political shit show. Oh, good. You for your hard work, the day I most look forward to is the one when they take away Trump's phone. And take him to jail. Yeah. From Joe McWaters, love your show.

It's only a teeny correction quote, because he was being involved in domestic political errand. You mentioned this quote from Dr. Fiona Hill. I've listened to the playback. I believe the word she uses, errant, not errand. Ah. Errant means airing or straying from the acceptable course of standards. This word makes more sense to me in the context of her response.

That makes way more sense. Well, yes it does. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, keep up the good work. They say I also send pictures of my pod dogs to the Twitter feed and you're welcome. I've never heard that word before. Aaron? Oh, yeah. That's why I assumed it was Aaron. I also thought it was too because they were on a domestic political errand. Right. The thing is, other major news sources have said errand to the D as opposed to errand with the T. I wonder what it is. Right, and to me, errand is an adjective, not a noun, and this seems to be the subject of the phrase, but I could be also grammatically wrong there.

Interesting. Interesting. The Fiams send me more corrections. Yes. Thank you for teaching me a new word. Um, Joe McWaters also says, you all said you couldn't remember Prinsandre being in trouble before I live in Sydney. So the palace news is always in our news, um, because Australia is part of the common wealth. I always forget that way back in 2011, Prinsandre had to step down from his role

as trade envoy for the palace because of his relationship with Epstein. So his relationship with Epstein has been affecting him for a long time. Oh, cheese. From Veronica, I love to spend my morning getting ready and listening to you. Yay. You may already know this, but I've got a US flag jargon nitpick when referring to ships or naval bases.

One can say they are on massed, so you can say something like the flag is half-mast. Otherwise, you would use the word staff. So in Vegas, the flags would have been half-staff. Yes, yes. And you are correct. I did know this. I just always say half-mast because I was in the Navy. The only exception is when a flag is in the vicinity of Devonunas, then it's

referred to as flaccid. Good joke Veronica. From Dave Mankone. I think AG is an excellent leader and mentor. Oh, thank you. Oh, also I shut up. Also, I would, I would not look like America. America is roughly 12% black. I was about 3% black. Okay. Damn. Still boot a judge. 0% support. Yeah. From black voters. Yeah. That's not funny. From Barbara Cohen, you help keep me sane. Thank you. On

Monday's episode, yeah, I'm behind. A.G AG mentioned that if one is on Medicare, one can't go to any doctor they want. And I think she also said that only an emergency can someone on Medicare go out of network. That's not 100% the case. If one is on original Medicare, in which case, so long as a provider participates in Medicare, which there is a vast majority of providers do. And she's right, most hospitals can't get accreditation unless from the centers of Medicare and Medicaid, which you have to have pretty much in order to function unless you accept Medicare. And then the patient can go to that provider. It's the Medicare Advantage plans that have a limited

network. Those are the ones that we buy. And I just got my first Medicare email. So soon, any day now, I'll start getting AARP materials. All right, and you'll retire. Janine Sherry, I'm like, thanks for that. I do that this week. Janine Sherry says, I listen enthusiastically to MSW and daily beans every day. Thank you. Not a big screw up, but I'm a grammar beast. Yeah, yeah, I love grammar beasts.

So forgive, I'm not going to, don't worry about it. I love grammar Nazis. I really appreciated your correction of pronunciation of asterisk today. Now, another, et cetera, as pronounced as it's spelled, not et cetera. I often notice this error in many wonderful podcasts. I drive many people crazy with my maniac.

You will never hear me say et cetera, ever once, et cetera. Latin nerd here. Yeah. Also, the abbreviation is an E. Casey, which makes it easier to use. Or E. S. Yes. Yeah. Also, the abbreviation is an E. K. C. which makes it easier. Yeah. Or E. Centra. Yes. Yeah. And also at all. I don't know what it means though. Just it's like so on and so forth. Well, I yeah, I mean, I functionally I guess I know what it means, but like I don't know what its direct translation is. Oh, yeah, it's Latin for it. It's a DRA. And also. And also. There's something like that. And another thing.

Yes. What a full seat. A further mall. Can you look that up so we don't get another correction? Look up what specific, the direct translation of et cetera. Perfect. I believe it's and, you know, and on and on or something, something like that.

It means, and similar things or and so forth. And so forth. Okay, nice. Thank you. Helen Driscoll, yeah. Regarding the Biden screw up. You didn't screw up, but you might need more info. Have a little more patience with Biden.

He's a stutterer and he screws up his answers. He's pre-screening his answers for words that will scramble his speech and it messes up his retorts. There are a few articles out there about the relationship with stuttering. He is actually a spokesperson for stutterers. There is a literary nonprofit organization called the Stuttering Foundation that he is a part of.

Love you guys. That's nice. I did not know that either. Did we give him shit for stuttering? We still don't punch down at domestic violence. No. Just down right there. It's just something you just probably shouldn't say.

I do think he's getting shit for a lot of things, so I wouldn't be surprised if we'd be so much shit. But he's, but he's, but he's entering shit in there. It sort of doesn't affect him very much. He's been a gaff machine forever, people still love it. Yeah, totally. Well, sorry, Biden. And from Russell Thomas, the plural form

is actually both vaginas or vaginal. Oh, oh, it is Vagina. Common mistake using Plurals to the one who said she had used Vagina's her whole life. You're wrong. Did I say I've used Vagina's my whole life? Well, technically, yes. I think I said I've been saying Vagina's. From Kiersten Zulfo, Lovey Ladies, this is such a key piece of civic education. I hope you will slip this into the show. Background on 11-4, AG said, Scotus nominees need to receive 60 votes to be approved.

That's no longer true. Did I say that? I don't know. I don't know. I guess so. Maybe because the nuclear option vote taken during the gorsuch process, Scotus judges only need a simple majority. You do an amazing service. I'm glad. Maybe because the nuclear option vote taken during the gorsuch process, go to judges only need a simple majority. Ah.

You do an amazing service. I'm glad to be a patron. Thank you. From Mark Vallen. Thanks for being a light in the darkness. I live in sweet baby. Matt DUI Gates is district so. Oh no.

As you can imagine, it's full of a lot of Trump pansies. Oh gosh. Poor dude. And reference to jazz cats from the impeachment mega-sode. Jazz is the original spelling of jazz. However, early promoters of the music found it. Hooligans, ruffians, or whatever the fuck they called vandals back then were racing the letter J on promotion posters and signs that said,

ask music. This led to a change in spelling we know today. As music would be better. That's so funny. That gates his adipchit with an oversized head. That's it. It's a sign up. From Jason Huggins, by the way, I'm an event manager and rolly if you ever want to come here.

I'm fun. But Gina is Latin for sheath, plural of A, endings, feminine endings, is pronounced like I, vagin I, and masculine alumina, alumina, alumini. Caesar is originally pronounced with a hard C, so it's pronounced Kaiser, and that's where the German Kaiser and Russian Tsar, Tsar, come from. Also, etymology of jazz is somewhat mysterious, but many etymologists, not entomologists,

etymologists say it comes from jazz. Still coming you from is for ejaculate. Interesting. Gisclubs is where we meet someone. We meet someone to Latin is hard. All languages idiomatic and you're crushing it. From Chris Bailey, news these days deserve swearing so I'm glad someone else swears. I love you guys.

I shouted out. I know this one about Jordan's comment that showering helps her write. Several years ago a study was published at Fountain that the sensation of water hitting all your sensory nerves and your skin makes your nervous system fire at a faster rate, triggering more nerve stimulation in your brain as well. Many people have created thoughts or enhanced problem solving in the shower science. Nice, thank you. Jordan's dick nerds joke is still my all-time favorite. What's dick nerds?

Yes, that was for a long time ago. And I think it was about, was it about kidney stones, I think, dick nerd just... I forgot. I forgot. Oh, God. This is bad. I can't even remember. Yeah. But it's just the Portland, they say.

We're going to hit Portland. We're going to hit Portland and our daily beans tour. We should be starting next spring. From Oliver Stone, not that one, you said Trump is probably having hard issues since he drank and smoked and partied all of his life. I didn't say that. He's a tea totler, right?

He probably is. He's never had alcohol. His brother died of alcoholism. And since then, he's allegedly not had a drink. I don't know about his smoking habits. Well, that's fad about his brother. Yeah. And that's why he doesn't drink.

Let's see here. From Neal Campbell, never miss either show. A.G. puts an amazing effort into a research, putting each episode together. I invariably hear some of the more juicy discoveries on mainstream media a day or so later, except maybe Rachel Mato, who is normally toe-to-toe with your scoops. Oh my scoop.

We, you guys. This is a geeky one. Revenge is a dish best served cold, was neither cling on or Shakespeare. It was said by Khan and Star Trek too, but he did claim it was cling on. That's what I was talking about. It's closest to actual origin is from the Godfather when Corleone says revenge is a dish that tastes best when it's cold But you may not know this as the judge in Roger Stone's case has banned watching the Godfather

Khan actually quotes Moby Dick a lot. Yes. Yes, he does and I mistakenly thought this quote too So I needed the correction. Thank you. Yeah, I was saying it was Klingon because It's Star Trek 2. That's what he says it was. And the Klingons were saying during the dinner afterwards when they all had Romulan Ale that you haven't heard Shakespeare until you've heard it in the original Klingon. So that's kind of how I was piecing that together. Con! Every episode Jordan ever fails to make me smile. I like her worldview. I always sees the funny side when it's hard to rise above the madness. And in the words of Jason Moraz at the end of his song, details in the fabric,

you're an island of reality and an ocean of diarrhea. Not really the lie. Apparently, yeah, from Ashley, hey, we'll take corrections on corrections from Ashley Provo, regarding our out of network ERs. My mom had cancer early this year. She got a staff infection. In her chemo port almost died.

Oh my God, I'm so sorry. We went to the ER in the local hospital and the ER doctor was not in her network, so she was charged thousands. Fortunately, she appealed and it was eventually covered. I think the cover, not cover, has less to do with the hospital and more to do with the specific doctor you go to. It's beyond infuriating the insurance companies expect people to shop around for in network ER doctors while dying.

Yeah. Agreed. Oh gosh, I'm sorry. Lots of connections today. Really informative ones. Very informative. We will get to the news. From Stephen Calland, A.G. mentions the Lenski's meeting with Trump in the White House,

and then the UNGA United Nations General Assembly. This is incorrect. He never got at least today to White House meeting, which he desperately wanted and needed to show Putin that his US backs Ukraine still. His only in-person meeting thus far was at the UNGA. Trump is still holding the White House meeting over his head. The extortion bribery continues in real time. We should call that out. Okay, thank you. For not being lawyers from Theresa Timlin, you do a fabulous job with legal stuff. Cersherari is a certiorari. When I remember that, it's pronounced a certiorari,

but honestly, most of us just say cert. There are almost no cases where this is a right, like in California, Arizona, fighting over water rights. Everything else, parties file a petition for Cersherari, and the Supreme Court gets to decide whether to hear the case or not. They hear a minuscule percentage of the cases, I think it's less than 5%. The Supreme Court mostly chooses to hear cases where a circuit courts are in disagreement.

Circuit courts are presidential for their circuit. So if the second circuit rules on a particular way, everyone in the second circuit follows that law. So when circuits are in conflict, the Supreme Court might choose to weigh in. This may be where Trump's tax return case has a low chance of being granted cert. The circuit courts aren't in conflict here. From Kira Answorth, only two more. Kira Ansmith, president, is set by the Supreme Court by hearing a case and writing an opinion. A denial of cert is not binding. It's not binding precedent in and of itself.

And from Lisa Donahue, all of Yeri, not much of a a correction just a little insight. As a licensed professional counselor in my state, I'm not eligible to work with clients who are on Medicare. I do work with clients who are on Medicaid and I'm reimbursed as exactly as much for the clients on Medicaid as I am for clients on some private insurance. As in fact, I'm paid to a paid a mere 13 cents more for a session with a client with private insurance. Also, the hoops therapist have to jump through to get handled with an insurance company or sometimes hard enough

to dissuade them from even trying. Keep up the great reporting and keep taking care of your mental health. Hey. All right, thanks, everybody. Those are corrections. If you have a correction, please send them to, or just go to mullershearout.com,

click contact and select corrections, build us the sandwich, and we'll get it right eventually. Thank you so much. And now, it's time for just the facts. All right, big week in the impeachment hearings, they wrapped up the Ukraine portion of public hearings in the House Intelligence Committee this week. Some of the big moments were when Sondland changed his tune

and said, yep, there was a quid pro quo. He knew about it, everybody knew about it. Everyone was in the loop, including Pompeo Pence, Trump, Perry. Dr. Hill also testified, and she was amazing, by the way, that the irregular channel, that's the shadow policy driven by Giuliani, Perry, Sunlin, and Volker, may have become the regular channel. And the main goal was the pursuit of personally benefiting the president and the longstanding US policy, the one pushed by the National Security Council on a bipartisan scale, seems

to have been pushed to the side. David Holmes also testified. He's the one who overheard the phone call between Sunlin and Trump, and then found out from Sunlin that Trump only cares about the big stuff that personally benefits him, like investigations into the Biden's and does not give a shit about Ukraine.

There is no more public testimony scheduled, at least in the Intelligence Committee. And the Intelligence Committee is writing up its report to send to the House Judiciary, according to the rules, which is where the impeachment articles are to be drafted. Adam Schiff says he doesn't foreclose the possibility of more depositions and more hearings. He says they're in the process of getting more documents all the time, and that the investigative work will go on. What we're not prepared to do, he says, is to wait months and months while the administration plays a game of rope a dope in an effort to try to stall.

We're not willing to go down that road and here's what's more. The evidence is already overwhelming. And what's interesting about this is we've done it with no documentary production from the administration. If the facts, the facts are really not contested. What's open to question is whether members of Congress are going to do their duty. He failed to mention what's also open to question is whether people think that this is an impeachable offense. It seems like after the hearings, Republicans didn't move very at all.

Some of the, I think, American public opinion ticked up a few points. But what I don't understand is why it has to either be two weeks or months and months and months. I mean, can't we wait a second? I mean, this Monday, we'll get a ruling in the McGann case. I imagine no column again into testify on the Mueller obstruction stuff, and that should, I think, be included in the articles of impeachment, as should the fact that Trump lied to Mueller in his written answers when he said he had no foreknowledge of the WikiLeaks stems when he had multiple calls

on the record with Roger Stone about it. And that's in the Mueller grandeur and materials. It's also in the 302s that have been released through the Buzzfeed FOIA request. And Stone's name is redacted in those, but it did come out in Stone's trial, where he was found guilty on all counts and is set to be sentenced February 6th. So, I imagine this impeachment inquiry is not done. There may be public hearings in the Judiciary Committee. The New York Times editorial board says it's a mistake not to call more witnesses, which I agree with. The investigations will not end

according to Schiff, but there is a sense of urgency. He says, we have to act now. We can't let obstruction succeed, etc. But getting impeachment done urgently doesn't help anything. If the Republicans in the Senate don't budge, which they have not. I can't think of one good reason to impeach now, but I can think of a lot of reasons to wait a second. That's my thoughts. Another legal theory is that Chief Justice Roberts in the Senate trial could compel Bolton and Mulvay need to testify and shift acknowledge this, but there's no guarantee because a majority of senators could overrule Roberts, though that would be ill advised. It would only take a simple majority. So only a few Republicans would have to defect. And but would you really put it past Senate

Republicans at this point, especially if they're compromised. Senate rules provide that House managers can issue subpoenas to anyone, such as Bolton and Mulvaney, Perry, etc. A senator can object to it, saying it's irrelevant or cloaked by privilege. But rule seven provides that a ruling on such a question would be made by Justice Roberts, who, according to talking points memo this week, would likely decide the privilege questions, other other considerations such as the crime fraud exception and the co-conspirator exception to the hearsay rule and the waiver of any privilege such as if Bolton talks publicly he could waive his rights to privilege. Maybe if they find out that he's writing a book about it intending to publicly release the information he could waive

his rights to privilege that way. I don't know if that counts before they released the book, though. He would also rule on subpoenas of document production, and we know there's a ton of that. So by moving directly to impeachment, the house gets its best chance, according to Talking Points memo, of winning the testimony of Bolton, Mulvaney, and others like Pompeo and Perry, and doing so in a timely fashion, along with their ability to get all the documentary evidence from the State Department specifically, but more broadly, the administration. And the House can't depose these witnesses or examine the documents in advance, but it's

a way to get them without having to wait for it to go through the courts. But this would also be true if we waited a second. Like, if we waited just a second, this all would still apply. Yeah. So I feel like Senator Republicans are probably just not going to vote for it anyway. So it's almost like the witnesses that they bring, does it even, do they even really care enough to fight it at that point? It would really only help elections.

Yeah. Because if they're going to vote no and they vote no in the face of testimony from Bolton and Mulvaney and et cetera, Perry, people who might say specifically Bolton, who might come out and say, yeah, there was Quid Pro Quail, there was a drug deal, I didn't want any part of it, and it was all orchestrated by Trump. I had discussions with Trump.

Here's emails with me and Trump. Here's emails with me and Pompeo. And he shoved me out of Twitter for two months. Yeah. Well, apparently his personal Twitter account when he became an essay that you aren't allowed to tweet from that anymore. And then, but he was an avid Twitter and, and I guess when he left when he resigned, they, they used software to block it. We'll get into it later. Okay. Yeah,

we'll talk about it in the daily beans too. Okay, perfect. Well, then I'll wait because yeah, in the Fox and Friends interview that I'm about to talk about, they asked Trump a question if he actually did that. And usually I'm like, well, if Fox is asking it, then there must be some sort of creed and cellist. Right, oh, if Fox is asking about that, then I'll right deal. Well, we'll be right back with more news, including a Paul Erickson plea agreement and an interview with former US Attorney Joyce Vance.

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for a real estate deal. But now that he's admitted to manipulating someone into a wiring him $100,000 for a real estate deal. But now that he's admitted to that stuff, apparently all other charges against him are going to be, are expected to be dropped. That's according to his attorney. He's also been sued in California and Virginia for failing to pay investors back and misrepresenting himself and his businesses to them. He's done a lot of like elder abuse shit too. We've talked about this with like a company that was like a wheelchair. That was supposed to allow folks to use the restroom. That's not even necessarily for elders,

but he also had work with like an old folks' home string of like properties too. So it seems like he's kind of targeting a certain demographic at least, but there's many demographics. I guess he's targeting with all his crimes and there's a lot of laws against taking advantage of the elderly So yeah, we're trying to get people's money saying that you're going to help folks and the whole thing is like a lie Admission managed to misrepresented So that's what's going on with him right now And then on the patina side. So patina now has been offered a job working for the commissioner

for human rights in Russia. Her name's Tatiana Moscow Kovah, and she was offered a job that will entail her defending compatriots abroad. So that's this new position that I guess Brutita is going to get with the Russian government. This basically sounds like protecting Russians against, quote unquote, human rights violations in the United States. Exactly. You're arrest them for breaking the law. Exactly. That's definitely the origin story of all this. And when I first read

this when it came out earlier this week, I did some research into Tatiana Moscow Kovah just to like see who she was and see what this human rights commission looks like. And it really screams like total bullshit, not surprisingly, but she is a total Putin sympathizer. And she used to be a major general in the Russian police force. And now she's the head of the Human Rights Commission in Russia. So I don't want to generalize the butt considering Putin's history. She's the minister with people accidentally falling out of fourth floor apartment buildings. Right.

Yes. And I also... It's really long when her business card. I'm not going to say it in Russian, but And I also, it's really long one for our business card. Yeah. I'm not gonna say it in Russian, but if I could, yeah, the letters just fall off at the end like, you're gonna be like, oh, the game fit on the card.

Um, I like when you're gonna be like, the horrible joke to make. I know, I know. I'm so sorry. That's not funny to joke about people that are legitimately murdered by their own government. So, yeah, but's not funny to joke about people that are legitimately murdered by their own government So yeah, but I'm sorry to joke about people who orchestrate that kind of thing being considered human rights activists Yes, it is yes, it is that's ridiculous. Yeah, and also I couldn't it's crazy how little you could find about her on the internet

like I tried I tried really hard and There's hardly anything about her. Her Wikipedia page is almost blank. It's like two paragraphs. Then I found one article from Russia, like from Kremlin.org or whatever there. Whatever their government website is. People follow it for the story of apartment buildings. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And this was a, it was like reporting on a talk that she had with Putin updating him on the work that she was doing. And the way they have the transcript

of the meeting laid out in the way that it is laid out is just like so discussively contrived. It's like, well, as you know, Putin, this is one of the issues we really needed to work on. But thanks to all that you have done to help this issue, it's now gone. That sounds like, it sounds like Sondland text messaging, uh, Taylor. Yes. Well, I spoke to the president who said there is no quid pro quo, but no quid pro quo, but also no quid pro quo. Yes. There is like absolutely no actual challenging and being like, you know, we really need to work on this.

This is a serious issue. Every single bullet point in their conversation is this was one of, you know, our main goals and thanks to you, thanks to you and all of your generosity. We've now accomplished that goal just like over and over again. Dear leader. Yeah. It's a dear leader email. Exactly. So I would be very

surprised if any of Bhutan's new position is legitimate and actually in the service of upholding human rights of Russians. I wonder when John Bolton was fired if Trump wrote him a dear John letter. That's dumb. Okay. What would that look like? Anyway. Dear John? No, you don't. Oh, well, dear John, isn't that like a Nicholas Sparks book, too? Dear John, that is like the dude that wrote the notebook. Oh, there's also, I think there's a movie called Dear John where there's, he's like a service member who is away and his lover is like writing him letters. I had a joke when I was a baby comedian about how I had to break up with a guy because

he wouldn't mow my lawn, so I wrote him a John Deer letter. Definitely John Letter. That's the early beginnings of my comedic career and it's probably explains why I'm a podcaster now. Thank you for that reporting. Yes. In other news and content warning here, this is about Julian Assange and his case in Sweden, the rape charges against him have been dropped.

The prosecution deciding that they will... The prosecution says the complainant was credible and the evidence is reliable, but her memory has faded and there's little corroborative evidence. This decision can be appealed, I hope they do, because this seems really fishy to me. I mean, the evidence is solid and the complainant is credible, but it's just been too long. Asange still faces 18 charges of espionage, including espionage, excuse me, in the United States in connection with Chelsea Manning case, an Obama commutation Trump has been itching to overturn since elected. I believe Chelsea Manning's in jail right now because she

refuses to continue to testify in this matter since her sentence was commuted. Oddly, Pamela Anderson of Baywatch, the Baywatch lady, is apparently a huge Assad supporter and a polygist and is against his extradition to the US as part of the don't extradite a Sange campaign. Pamela Anderson. Weird. Really? Random, random cause. Yeah.

You can have all sorts of unique motivations. Yeah. We will not understand. Yeah. Well, I'm just thinking like you said, if the evidence is credible and reliable, is that what they said? The complainant is credible and the evidence is reliable. There you go. So if that's the case, unless it's like now outside the statute of limitations or something, then I don't really see why they want to go forward.

Yeah, I don't get it either. Let's see, on other news, new news. Yeah, got more new information. I don't get it either. Let's see on other news. Nunez. Yeah. Got more Nunez in trouble. Yes. So as we all remember, during the public hearings, Eric Swalwell decided to enter into the record the story about Nunez having sketchy meetings abroad in Vienna in 2018. And he is upset about that. And so more lawsuits,

and he was announced more lawsuits. He said that he is going to sue CNN and the Daily Beast for their reporting on his meeting with Chokin in Vienna in 2018. This, of course, the purpose of the meeting was to push for the investigation of Hunter Biden and all the other conspiracy theories that the right is pushing.

In response to Lev Parnas being listed as a source on the matter. Nunez is suing because of that he says he told I think this was I think this was Fox News. I read a Fox News article to get this reporting blugh. My eyes burn. Yeah. But what he told Fox News was it is not okay to work with someone who has been indicted on a serious federal crime to build a media narrative and dirty up a number of Congress. You've seen it. The American people have seen it over the last three years.

We out them and then they come out with a media narrative to try to dirty up the people who are doing the work on behalf of the American people. So we hope that CNN and Daily Beast will cooperate with the court. They should comply with the subpoenas once we file this and go through different depositions. It should be fun. Oh, yeah. He says it should be fun. Like, suing a fake cow.

Mm-hmm. So more lawsuits. That guy just, they need to give him like a fucking, like Murphy bed in the courtroom. He's just a litigian motherfucker. Yes, all he does is court-cought. Yes, he just, like, can sues people constantly. It's so dumb.

I know, for like, zillions of dollars, too. Yeah, and then when they asked him for more, for like more statements on stuff, he was like, you know, I don't want to go into that because the media is obviously against me. And I think you know that I can't go up against that machine. So I'm just going to let it be solved in court. Yeah, I think he said something like 90% of media outlets are corrupt. Something like that. And I was like, okay. So he's media, like meanwhile, like, Oh, on,

OA. And then, and Epic times was the other one I couldn't think of the other day E.P.O.C.A. epic times Just ridiculous. Yeah, I What a what a chode. Yeah, he's the worst and Speaking of him. He is in deep trouble He now has a house ethics complaint filed against him from the Democratic coalition Which accuses him of abusing his official office and violation of house rules

Joy Reid asked the House Armed Services Committee representative Adam Smith, if Nunez faces an ethics violation and he said quite likely without question, and Rep Jackie Spear who sits on the Intelligence Committee, we've seen her a lot in the last couple weeks, has also asked for an ethics investigation, and this all stemmed from reporting, like you said, that Swalwell brought up during the impeachment proceedings at Nunez, the ranking member of the Intelligence Committee,

who spent most of the impeachment yelling conspiracy theories at the witnesses, met with an ex-Ukrainian official, Shokin, to get dirt on Joe Biden and his son. Swalwell said, if the reporting is true, it makes Nunes a fact-witness in the impeachment case. He needs to recuse himself. The allegation that Nunes met with Shokin last year to discuss the Biden's came from love, Parnas.

Like you said, one of the two indicted Giuliani associates. Let's not forget he's a criminal. Further, well, alleged, further top aides to Nunez, Derek Harvey, joined a group that frequently met in the spring of 2019 at the Trump Hotel in DC to discuss the Biden matter. This group was convened by Giuliani and includes Parnas, Fruiman, DeGeneva and Tonzig, those crazy lawyers and journalists, John Solomon, who is now being investigated by the Hill for his reporting on the Biden information, all that conspiracy crap. In response,

Nunez denies everything and has threatened to sue the Daily Beast, which he is now for a story linking him to Parnas. But we have to remember he's also suing the cow, like I said, if the name Derek Harvey sounds familiar, we reported on him a few weeks back. He was the operative providing the name of the whistleblower to house Republicans during the hearings. Interestingly, Nunez's jail cell could end up being bigger than the 100 square foot fake farm he bought

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Hot notes. Welcome back. It's time for Hot Notes. We got some good ones today. Jordan, you have. And I love that every single time Trump goes on to Fox and Friends, particularly over the phone, that you cover it and you cover it so well. So I wanted you to do this one as well.

Thank you. Yeah. He, uh, in hour, this one was long. Uh, I listen to the whole fucking thing, and I have dried blood down the sides of my neck. I can't do that. It was so freaking bad. Beauty from the ears. Yes. Almost as funny as watching the, I think the Daily Show put out this video of the, the hosts trying to move the conversation along. Yeah.

Like, whoa. Oh, yeah. It's the same shit. Well, at this point, Fox and Friends is like, just used to it, which by the way, if you're delivering news from a catch, you're fucking couch potato. You're not like a reporter. So is NK's anyone wanted to, to you know if anyone is on a fence. Can I share in a desk?

You wear that. Good chair in a desk you wear it as to be fair I watch none of the other programming so I imagine the whole point of it is like we're chill. For nuts. Yeah it's not like angry. We're hanging out in my living room. Yeah exactly. In full makeup.

Yeah. Yeah. But they're the worst and they're standing by him so much. In the whole point of these these appearances for him is like Obviously just so he can go and as he says in this interview set the record straight to the American people and He sounded like shit. He sounded like he's getting over a cold or something at the beginning But then towards the end of it he started sounding more normal so I don't know if like his evil just kind of like Really fully embodied his person by the end of it

His his say his deal with Satan kicked in by the end of the interview. Yes, exactly But in the beginning he sounded like complete shit He just sounded like sick or whatever no offense to actual Satan worshipers you guys are true awesome true I don't want to shame Satan worshipers by comparing Especially yeah, especially during this season, which is a tough time for Satan worshipers. So a lot of Jesus going around. But Satan's Santa, I mean, it's pretty close.

Oh, yes. I don't know what that means. I mean, they're, but I like it. They're, so during this interview with Fox and Friends, I did notice though, they're, but I like it. So during this interview with Fox and Friends, I did notice though, they appropriately pushed him for more sources that I normally see them asking him for, just kind of not letting him get away with just giving his sound by an answer that everyone's already heard through Twitter and through his fucking helicopter conferences.

Everyone already knew the answers. And so the anchors actually did push him, can you give me a source on something? But then as soon as Trump was responding to that, he just said, no, I can't give you a source. And they were like, okay, we understand. They just backed off. He backed off. Cool, brother.

Yeah, an example of this though, one of the claims that they were asking for a source on was the claim that Trump said, Barack Obama personally was the one directing Pfizer-atmanipulations and the investigation into the Trump campaign. He said that he thinks it goes all the way to the top and that the Pfizer report that's about to come out is going to be a historical report detailing all of the bad guys behavior, a lot of bad guys.

So he is now calling out Barack Obama individually saying that it was Obama that ultimately directed off this. And that's when they were like, do you have what source are you polling from that said Barack Obama himself did this? And he was like, I can't tell you, I can't tell you the source, but the report's gonna be a great report. Be on a lookout. And they're just like, okay. It's gonna be a great report beyond a lookout and they're just like okay Also Trump Trump kept saying one of the anchors names is like Brian and he kept he kept interrupting him when Brian was trying to get Trump to like move the fuck on as he talked about and he'd be like Brian Brian was calling him by first name Brian now let me finish It's like let me fucking finish. You've been talking for 10 minutes straight. What the hell are you talking about?

How long thing the yeah, rant. Yeah, but a couple of the other things. I wonder what it's like in the newsroom, like when they have a scheduled interview with Trump, like, fuck, I gotta interview you. Yeah, but okay, everyone put your ballgags on because this is fucking hilarious and it's impossible to not burst out like laughing

at how insane he is. But I don't know why I had to be ballgags. I mean, you know what I want? I want like secret Fox News employees because we've had like all the gov secret accounts. I want like, I want to know from like secret, you know, secret lipples inside of Fox News. I want to hear their stories.

And what happens behind the scenes. I do wonder. Are there any? I don't know. I mean, we went to, we had like a local news appearance once remember A.G. and when we got to the studio, we were so surprised at how few people are actually running the operation.

Like the anchors like do their own shit. They're, there's like three people in the room total. That cameras are automated. It's all, there's no, it's not like a group of people. It's like, I feel like when, like I want to watch Maddo, she's got a group of staff. Definitely, you can like hear them. Yeah. But like a lot of these things don't, a lot of these places don't. Yeah. I wonder, I don't know the state of Fox News funding right now,

and if it's like up or down exactly, but I'd be curious to know, and especially if there's any Democrats that work there. But anyway, so he, a couple things that he said, he said that he barely knows Saunland, of course. And he said that Sonland is represented by Hillary lawyers. So he, yeah, so he, yes, so he publicly has gone out shitting on Sonland. I don't know if that's going to affect any of it. Sonland spent a million dollars to be friends with him. Yeah. So sad.

And they've talked what, I think, 20, 20 times is what they said. So, so Trump said that they've only talked a few times. He barely knows him. So we'll see if that affects how Sunland is gonna move forward talking about Trump. Just like Maniford only worked for him for six minutes. Right. It was five months. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. But then at least Trump didn't distance himself as a friend for Maniford. That's like, so maybe Sublitz is gonna be like a fan of by that. And I don't know if they were friends, but I do know that they talked more than a few times and that he definitely knew him more than he is trying to say he did.

Trump also went on to say that Yavanna Vitch, the woman, he's continuing calling her the woman, was bad at her job and that she hated Trump, said that she refused to put his picture up in the embassy, and he said that the only reason she was in the job for as long as she was is because she was a woman and everyone was dressed being nice to her The most misogynist shit and that's been debunked too by the way the the portrait was in the state of format Yeah, and he really like really really hammered in on the woman thing like a lot a lot not like Vailed misogyny like straight up misogyny. Straight up, everyone's just being nice to her

because she's a woman, this stupid woman, she's just fucking an awful. He goes on to say, yeah, because that's how it works. Right, because everyone's really nice to you when you're a woman. Yeah, no matter how you're wearing it, you should at all. Well, that's what makes more money sales believe. Yeah, yeah.

Our lives are like exponentially easier. Yeah. Then he also says that he welcomes a trial in the Senate. He said that he wants out of all the people that he could call as a witness to testify in the Senate trial. His number one pick would be Adam Schiff. He says, and he says why it would be Adam Schiff is because, and he brings back this fricking stupid narrative again,

that Adam Schiff, when he was paraphrasing Trump's call, he says that he's maintaining that that was Schiff completely making upwards and that he wants him to be held accountable for that. And this is like, you're paying, like why? Because that's prejudicial. No, because he's saying that he misrepresented what he said, which is prejudicial to his trial.

Because he's paying. I don't think he has any words like that in his brain. Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Like it could taint, it could influence the, you know, his senate trial. I'm like, he's actually literally giving cash. Yeah, I don't think he has to the jurors. Right.

And I don't think he has any legal argument for it whatsoever. It's a lie. It is a lie that Adam Schiff lied about what Trump said. That is a complete lie. The whole parody thing, which is like, I guess a word that Schiff is described to you to succinctly, right? He said that it was a parody.

He shouldn't have done it. Schiff shouldn't have done it. But it was not a difficult device, but it's not it is. But he shouldn't have done it because of this very right. And so Trump is totally running with it and he will not let up on it and that's just really fucking annoying. Then he goes on, a woe is me rant about how unfair he's been treated and says,

this is my favorite part, he goes, I'm just having to treat someone fairly quote, I come in with no experience which is a good thing but I know life." And quote, that's what he said. It was like the funniest shit. He's like, I couple with no experience as if that's like a merit for him, right? I come with no experience, which is a good thing, but I know life. And that was that was it. That was all he had to say about his readiness to serve as the president of the United States. I know life, I know life. So that just made me laugh this fucking dumb.

And then he said just a couple more things. He said that Pence will be his VP. Apparently there's been rumors that maybe Nikki Haley was actually going to be selected as his vice president. But he just said, I love Mike Pence. He's been great. We're a great team. So we can put those rumors to rest, I guess, if anyone was thinking about that. And then he also said they asked him about the Senate resolution that's coming out condemning the violence against the Hong Kong protesters. And if Trump is going to like veto that, and Trump said that he

supports the protesters, but he also will stand with President G because they're trying to get a trade deal done right now. And I don't know what that means exactly then. I think it's just yet to be seen. What he's going to do. Well, according to some folks, he promised G, if he could get some investigations into the Biden's, he promised G, push back on the trade, you're like delay of the trade tariffs and also said he wouldn't condemn or support the Hong Kong protesters. He would condemn the Hong Kong protesters.

If you know if you'll help me out with this investigation thing, China is like no. Yeah, yeah, which is getting to be like it's not better. Hong Kong is not getting better. Huge escalation this week and then those protests. Trump was also claiming that thousands of protesters would have been dead if it wasn't for him and his trade negotiations because he's saying that he's lauding the negotiations over President Xi's head. And that's why that more people, that thousands of people haven't died. He was egocentric thing ever before.

Yes, it is. He was a real life. Yes, it is. And he just outed his deal with the president, who's not going to be happy about that. Yeah, there are some elections happening in Hong Kong right now, though. And they are the first election since the protests started five months ago, and they are leaning heavily towards pro-democracy candidates winning. And so it'll be interesting to see what happens next there. Very interesting. Yeah, and that a little bit. But yeah, started to derail your... No, no, no, that's totally relevant. And I

appreciate it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I guess that's such a volatile situation that's going on right there. So the fact that he is once again standing with someone that has a history of upholding human rights abuses, that's scary. And we'll just have to see what he does there, I guess. Maybe a Bootness human rights organization. Yeah. Watch them. Watch them.

They will for sure be on the government's payroll as a consultant. Thank you. Well, we hear at Mollershi Road and at DailyBeans support the protesters. Yeah. And this was this was probably my last, my last tidbit and my favorite little gem of the interview.

He slid in criticism of MSNBC because first he was saying, you know, CNN fake news, worse news organization, ever, whatever. He goes, and also MSNBC is really, really bad. And he know what? After all I did for them, after all the money I made them, this is how they repay me. And that was so telling because he just blatantly said that he thinks money that he makes people should be rewarded with political support. He just said it. He just laid it out clear as day and no one is going to pick up on that obviously. That's watching that interviewer give a shit about it. He said that before about NBC as a parent company, the princess. Like I made them so much money and they treated me

like crap. He does that a lot. Everything is transactional. Everything is transactional. Totally. Yeah, that was the first time I had heard him say that. So, yeah, that was like not a surprise I guess. I think he's been listening to that call.

God, an hour. Or a man that I think has to. An hour. Yeah, I think I literally, yeah, I also would have bled for my years. Thank you for going through that for us. Totally. And then at the end they were like, uh, you know, well, you know what I think the best cure is for, I don't know, I forget what ailment they were, it would metaphorical ailment was the premise of this comment, but they said, uh, the cure is for

you to come on Fox and friends every week and set the record straight. And then Trump was like, yeah, I'll do that, you know what? I'll do that more. Well, I guess it's my decision. So yeah, yeah, I'll do that more. And that's my decision. Yeah. Yeah, okay. Yep.

That's how it's literally how you reason with a child. You have to make sure you let them think it's their decision so they can feel empowered about making good decisions. And then you share. My favorite thing is at one point, Anderson Cooper during the campaign was having a discussion with Trump. And he says, I'll do respects, sir. That's the argument of a five-year-old. and Trump's response was, I didn't start it.

I think dude, continue on with the five year old stuff. Yeah. All right, Jordan, thank you so much for watching that and taking the bullet for all of us. Totally. So this week was one of the biggest and best weeks for me personally, and there's news related things go because we got a peek into the forthcoming Horowitz report, which Trump had brought up in that interview that you were just talking about saying, everything Obama did it, a FISA, bad actors, the IG reports going to drop, everything's going to be great. So Horowitz, the Department of Justice Inspector General, and after having personally spoken

to Andrew McCabe myself at length about the chronology of the origins of the Trump investigation, I was not worried, I should say the Russia investigation. I was not worried at all about the integrity of the investigation. I was a tad concerned with the Carter Page FISA application, but that's born out of my own previous skepticism about the wiretapping program and the FBI in general, given their history and the surveillance of Americans. Not to mention, we have a previous experience with the Horowitz IG reports already. They're always very long.

They're always very accusatory. We often hear a scathing Inspector General report, but in previous reports released by this office, the Horowitz office, they determined that Komi was irresponsible with FBI documents, but did nothing criminally wrong. They wouldn't make a criminal referral. We also learned that Struck and Page sent biased sounding text messages to one another, but Horowitz ultimately concluded that no bias affected their work. I have personal experience with Inspector General Reports, their tone and tenor and what they usually find. So I have that frame of reference as well.

And we've also spoken at length about the delays of this report coming out. It was supposed to be released, well, first of all, I remember the IG report that was supposed to be released last year, alongside the struck and page report about the New York FBI field office leaks surrounding the Weiner laptop that led to the reopening of the Hillary email case days before the election. That's still buried. It still hasn't come out. And I happen to think it's because it shows evidence that a group of insiders, including Giuliani, DeGeneva and Tonseg, and either the department, like that they conspired to leak this stuff, which was what pressured Komi to reopen that investigation. And either the Department of Justice is burying it, or it can't be released because it includes criminal referrals about Giuliani. And that's part of an open and ongoing investigation right now.

Giuliani is under investigation. So this report was supposed to come out. This current report we're talking about, the one that Trump says will totally exonerate him and totally implicate Obama himself, was supposed to come out in September. And then they moved to October and then they moved to late October and then November. And then late November and then they said Thanksgiving and late October and then November, and then late November, and then they said thanksgiving and now it's December 9th. And the Senate Judiciary has called Horowitz to testify about the findings, and then he's going to do that on December 11th. And they're going to make as big a deal out of this as they possibly can, because it's all they have.

And I had posited that the month after, or excuse me, that the month after month delay of this report was assigned, they had nothing, and they were buying time to try to find anything they could to make this as bad as possible. Which is why we have bar himself and the likes of Nunez and Giuliani traveling around the world to Australia, Italy, Spain, the UK to try to find anything to discredit Alexander Downer, Mifsood, and any aspect of the origins of the investigation, the oranges. Then we have the IG looking into Comey and McCabe, another FBI leadership to find any shred of bias against Trump impacting their work. And when you want to find something, it's usually not hard to find. You know that whole saying, like be careful what you go looking for, you'll find it. Except in this case, when questioning the integrity

of the likes of Andy McCabe, that's just a bad idea. So here's me over a clip of me over a month ago, talking about what I think the report will conclude. What? What? What? What? What?

Meanwhile, like I said, Horowitz is conducting an Inspector General investigation into the FBI's actions and the Russia investigation, and I assume, Horowitz is conducting an Inspector General investigation into the FBI's actions and the Russia investigation, and I assume it's going to sound just like the Comian's Struck IG report, where they acted badly, but nothing illegal, no bias affected their work, no criminal behavior, etc. Durham, and honestly, if a criminal referral is made, like it was in the case of McCabe, a grand jury is not going to come back with an indictment so the insane q army and right when conspiracy theorists have been waiting with

baited breath for this report because they were convinced it would implicate the entire fby uh... and land comi macaque jim baker uh... obama himself susan rice hillary and probably jfk in guantanamo They said it was be indictment across the board they'll end up a gittmo That's why they were even postulated. That's why they keep and get mo open was just to house these criminals Oh my god, they would tweet just wait until the IG report drops

You're gonna cry liberal tears and we're gonna laugh and dance Etc Well over the weekend we got information about what's in the report etc. Well over the weekend we got information about what's in the report from those briefed on it and it's starting to look like it will go the way of the Nunes memo. It's about 500 pages and we kept getting Republicans saying clearly sad about the results tweeting things like 500 pages can't be good for Democrats and trying to frame this report as best they can for them because they're about to be extremely embarrassed. The headline from New York Times reads, Justice Department Watchdog finds political bias did not taint top officials running the FBI's Russia probe, but documents errors.

Exactly what we thought they would find. Bias has no effect, had no effect on the investigation into the coordination between Russia and the Trump campaign in 2016, but it does criticize the FBI for systematic failures and its handling of the FISA applications. Basically, a low-level FBI lawyer inappropriately altered an email that was used during the process to renew the FISA application for Carter Page, renew.

The IG referred that one finding to John Durham, they did a criminal referral on that, and that lawyer is being investigated for criminally, for possibly making a false statement. And that's what all the hubbub was when all the headlines said that the investigation into the investigations has turned criminal. It's because one guy added one line to an email in a renewal of a carto-page-fice set. One error in millions and millions of documents and pages, and it's by a low-level lawyer in a renewal application, not even the initial application, indicating that the initial slice of warrant was error-free.

And it's also a note that the additional line is not what the renewal hinged on at all. Quote, Horowitz will conclude the application still had properly go in factual bases, and more broadly, the FBI officials did not act improperly in opening the Russia investigation. Unquote. One of the people familiar with the report says, you can see how the warring factions will seize on the various parts of this to advance their respective narratives. In fact, I'll go out on a ledge and say the lower-level lawyer who added the line to the email, Chris Klein-Smith, will not be successfully prosecuted for this. He added a line to an email but had already given the original email to the Department of Justice,

so I don't think this edition was a lie, but his own additional thoughts on the email. Any IG found it was a serious error in judgment, but not motivated by political animus. And I'll tell you what, if that's the only mistake in the voluminous and complex Trump Russian investigation, that's pretty fun, good, amazing. The report will come in three parts. First, the opening of Crossfire Hurricane, that probe of Papadopolis. Second is a review of the Carter Page FISA,

which by the way is pretty irrelevant, considering they didn't get the FISA warrant to surveil them until after Carter Page left the campaign. So if you get Trump conspiracy theorists trying to tell you, you know, they lied on the FISA application to spy on the Trump campaign, that's wrong. You can tell in the IG found nothing wrong with the initial FISA application. And the added line was a subsequent renewal,

and Carter Page had left the campaign well before the first application to surveil him was even granted. Then the third part will be about the FBI's handling of the steel information. Conclusion, Crossfire Hurricane was legally and factually justified. That's according to these briefers. Mifsood was not a spy working with the FBI. Papadopolis was not the victim of a frame job or entrapment. The application and subsequent renewals of the Carter Page FISA warrant were proper and observed relevant guidelines. The reporting I have doesn't say what he will conclude about the steel dossier. However, we do have reporting from over the summer that Horowitz interviewed steel and found it to be incredibly credible. Incredibly credible.

And had the FBI had an improper relationship with Steele or the hiring of Orbus by Fusion who was paid by Perkins Kooey, which is a law firm handling the Clinton campaign violated any laws, I'm sure we would have heard that by now. So this is amazing news. Huge win, very big deal for those of us battling conspiracy nut jobs, so congratulations well earned. Once the report comes out, I'll have quotes and page numbers. So you can respond to the Q Army when they start

to cherry pick parts of the other report that will fit their narratives. So that is my hot note. And I'm so very happy about this today. Do you know when it comes out? December 9th. December 9th. Sorry if you said that.

Cool. 12 and 9. And Horowitz will testify on 12 11. Sweet. To the Senate Judiciary Lindsey Graham. Oh yeah, but we get equal time gross not a little surprise. I'm surprised. I'm surprised it's not also going to be in the intelligence committee. The Senate intelligence committee. Yeah, yeah, all I know is that they've asked

them to do the Senate Judiciary Committee and that's probably because this is a Department of Justice. Yeah. Inspector General. Yeah. So totally. Hmm. Anyway, we'll be right back with the fantasy indictment league and one of my favorite people, Joyce Vance, says, stay with us. Hey, everybody. This episode of Mueller, she wrote, is brought to you by Buffy. I want to personally thank Buffy for the support because Buffy makes betting that is super comfortable and super sustainable. Buffy makes the Earth's most comfortable betting. Their comforters are just named so correctly. They're made from ultra smooth eucalyptus fiber that feels softer than cotton. It's breathable and cool to the

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Europe last December. Journalist Vicki Ward says that Parnas' attorney told her that his client would not make these claims if he did not also have text messages and other documentary evidence to back it up, which is good because neither showk and her Parnas are what you would call reliable witnesses. Don't forget last year in August of 2018 Natasha Bertrand wrote that Nunez also went to London to gather intel on Kristiel, but the UK wasn't interested in speaking with him, saying he was just there to stir up controversy. And two of Nunez's staffers dug pressly in Kash Patel, traveled to London without the knowledge of the US

Embassy or the British government in search of steel, whose lawyers declined them access to his client. Kash Patel, you say? That name sounds familiar, you say? Yes, he came up in Dr. Hill's testimony. He's the guy that Trump thought was his top Ukraine expert on the National Security Council when it was actually Colonel Vindman. And that's one of the reasons Vindman was asked not to attend certain meetings, because Trump thought Patel

was his Ukraine guy and didn't want to confuse the president. All right. So keep all that in mind, though all those names in names in mind as we play the fantasy indictment league. I'm gonna be a titan! No it is gonna be okay. I'm gonna be a titan! I'm gonna be a titan! I'm gonna be a titan!

I'm gonna be a titan! I'm gonna be a titan! Oh, they can't, it's gonna be okay. Just calm down. I can't calm down, I'm gonna be a titan! Uh, can I pick Netanyahu? I know he's not interesting. Well, he's not, you know,

it's definitely not related to Moller stuff. It's not related to Moller stuff. Although, Israel, you know what, I can connect it in six degrees of my group. Yeah, Mosad, Sygroup, Black, Cube, Xaml, Wikileaks, Nader, Netenyaahu. But you're talking about his corruption.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if I was gonna be the referee, I'd say that doesn't count. Okay. All right. Then I'll write. I'm asking, I don't know. I mean, you created this entire project. That's true, but this is all yours.

This is all you totally kidding me. He's kidding me. Okay, for no points. I bet he's gonna be indicted, but then for my points, I'm gonna pick a Nader. Perfect, there we go. Yeah, why waste a pick, you know? Okay, because I could have gotten points for Nader

and yeah, he's totally getting indicted this week. Put some beans on it. Pfft! Pfft! So, baby Nader, who was indicted? Crime, bribery, fraud, et cetera. I said I'd take no point, so I will take no points, but I just wanted to point out that he was undited. Um, Erickson signed a plea deal. It was submitted with his indictment or with his guilty plea,

but it was under seal, so we don't know what his cooperation, you know, how like that, I guess the outline of his cooperation is still, we don't know what it is yet, but he did do a plea agreement. So if you had Eric's and plea deal, you get a point. Maybe the NRA's in trouble, who knows? And the two guards and died it in the Epstein case. I'll give you points for Randos if he had a Rando on that. So, a lot of indictments this week. So, I get to go first this week. So, of course, I'm going to pick Giuliani. I'm going to do pleady old partners. Nice. I'm going to go,

that's too early for noon is. I'm going to go superseding Fruiman. All right. I'll do... I'm gonna do Ericsson. More Ericsson time-its. More Ericsson time-its. Just another various states that he's operating like California. All right, cool.

I'm gonna go with Nader. Tom Barric. Of course. Do you go to? You should go to quarterback. Did you say fruitman plea deal? I said parnas plea deal. I said super seeding fruitman.

I'm going to go and you said parnas plea deal. Not super seeding. I'm going to go with jizz lane. Nice. I know it's not pronounced that way Good Lane I will go Trumb work

I got one more indeed I'm just gonna I'm gonna put new nose on there. Hell yeah, I'm just gonna do it I'm gonna go out on a he's gonna be my wild card Yeah, if that's your dream ZG. Yeah, yeah, put out the energy into the universe that you would like to receive Create the world you want to live in exactly. So New Nes is on our be the change I'm gonna be the change you wish to see be the indictments you want to see in the world exactly speak the truth Speak the indictments you would like to see and perhaps they will arrive to you

I whisper it into the universe, I'll love the secret. Noonah as will be indicted. I will do a rando. All right, sweet, rando. Rando Russian? In a particular kind of rando. Rando. Ukrainian.

Oh. Interesting. You know, wait, what about rando with ties to Ukraine? Strong ties to Ukraine. Okay. Could be Ukrainian born or like separatist. Yes. Yes. So you either have you listened to the podcast or I don't know if it's podcast or radio show on MPI, but it's called rough translation. I think on the way over I was listening and there was an ad for a show called rough translation. I think that's what it's called. And they were saying that they're going to do in depth coverage of what's happening in

Ukraine right now, like the country on the other side of all of the impeachment controversy. So yeah, I'm really glad to hear that because there's not a really tough spot. And I'm learning a lot about Ukraine right now, but I don't know a lot. So yeah, super interesting. Very, yes. Yeah, so Renda with ties to Ukraine. Yes, strong ties. Cool.

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I mean, it was. Well, send you good vibes. All right, it's time for the interview. Joining us today for the interview is former US Attorney Friend of the podcast, MSNBC contributor Joyce Vance. Joyce, thanks for being here with us. Always good to be with you.

It's so great to speak to you too. So a little over a week ago, you wrote this great piece. I believe it was for Time Magazine. You penned a piece about the different Republican defenses that they were going to probably that had come up or would come up in the impeachment hearing, at least for the Ukraine piece. And I was wondering if you could tell us a little bit about that piece and how now that the impeachment hearings are done at least at this part, at this section that they're doing, how you look back on that piece. Yeah, so it's interesting.

It turned out to be very predictive, as you say, it was for Time Magazine, and I started out with this notion of the whistleblower at the point in time where I wrote it about a week out from the public hearings, Trump was still calling for the identity of the whistleblower to be exposed. And so I explained why under controlling law that was a protected identity and also why it was a bad idea because we wanted to protect whistleblowers to ensure people would come forward to report government waste and fraud and abuse and went through those arguments and sort of moved on to this

notion that Republicans would then claim that Rudy Giuliani, the three Amigos, others involved were rogue actors who were acting without Trump's knowledge or approval, which of course happened at one point and sort of worked through all of those substantive advances and concluded that at some point Trump would be left arguing that although he had done all of these things that were alleged, they were not impeachable conduct. And although we're not quite at that point yet i suspect that we will get there you know the one defense that i left out that i didn't see coming uh... was this defense that we heard republican congressman asserting

during the final few days of open hearings uh... and that defense was that trump is the great anti corruption protector uh... that he was out fighting against corruption in Ukraine and obviously that uh... has failed to for all the obvious reasons that we can talk about if you want right well vennman um... pointed that out when he you know when he when it came to the

uh... the forefront that he had written talking talking points for both calls uh... that included anti-corruption statements and those were left out yeah i mean there's just a whole host of reasons trump has never had a religion and commitment to i grew up uh... in any place other than a country that could produce a fake investigation about one of his political opponents

uh... and you know ending up with the fact that if you really wanted to cite corruption, you would have kept ambassador Yvonne Vitch in place, a known dedicated corruption fighter who was, as George Kent, so eloquently said, in the process of pissing off corrupt people because of the corruption fighting, you would never have sent her, huh? Yeah, and the one defense I didn't see coming was that, well, we replaced her with Bill Taylor, who don't you think he's a good guy? But as I think it was Krishnamorthy, who so, uh, droidly pointed out that there was about

a month-long gap in between those two, and that left room for Sondland, and the three amigos to set up their shadow channel. Well, you know, it did and Dr. Hill, Cion and Hill, also pointed out that Sondland sort of moved over into that space and never left it and that was what that 30-grace day permitted. In some ways, I think that that will learn more and more that bill taylor was used and you'll recall that he had retired that uh... secretary pompay i went to him and asked him to come out of retirement take the post but he was not nominated as the replacement uh... ambassador he was sent over

as the charge a and ambassador sundland uh... whose responsibilities did not include Ukraine, somehow it seemed that role. Right, because he was ambassador to EU, right? And so it's just it's odd that he's sort of filled in that blank. But I will say to any thoughts overall about, do you think that this is the end of impeachment hearings, or do you think we might see more hearings in other committees before the judiciary

drafts their articles what are your thoughts on that well i'm waiting to see what happens monday you know we expect that we'll get a ruling monday on uh... don't get long-running litigation over whether he has to comply with the peanut that you just share his sent to him for his testimony and if the judge orders that he has no legitimate privilege to assert and that he must testify then we may see an effort by congress to subpoena a few more of these stragglers you know the republicans could on a big show about how none of the witnesses that democrats were bringing on board were first-hand witnesses and of course there is an outstanding reason for that all of the first hand witnesses have been forbidden to show up by white house by president trump and many of them were honoring that although they

could have testified that they chose to yeah i think the one last piece we're missing i mean that we're missing a lot of pieces but the big one last piece we're missing, I mean, there were missing a lot of pieces, but the big one last piece we're missing is to find out how the aid was put on hold, and if anybody knew for what reason, because that just seems to be sort of a gap in our knowledge, right? I mean, we all assume that what it is, but you know, we haven't heard anyone be able to testify to it. I think we can assume all we want but what there has to be is evidence and that can be direct evidence or circumstantial evidence. They're both admissible in court. We did last night get the first piece of interesting evidence as you know the State Department

had declined to turn over any documents to Congress but an oversight group had asked for those documents from the State Department under FOIA and a judge granted them access to the last night American oversight received the first tranche of about 100 pages of documents. A lot of it was duplicative, some of it was stuff that we had already seen like a read Juliani's older of made up allegations about Ambassador Yvonnevich, but some of it was new and very interesting, including this sort of brief and a little bit difficult to decipher series of emails. It looks like Juliani reached out to the White House to get good contact information for secretary pompeo and that they subsequently had a couple of very short calls the records make it look like

their four minute calls perhaps and also that pompeo spoke with uh... devan unyas and that same sort of basic timeline this is all in the week leading up to the ukrainian elections this is in late march leading up to the April 1 elections. So there I think will be a lot more inquiry into the conversations that those documents represent. Yeah, I was looking through those last night trying to make sense of those emails, but what an amazing get for American oversight. I'm so glad we have these watchdogs and journalists that are doing all these Freedom of Information Act requests. I think we're learning so much from them.

I think that's right. A friend commented to me this morning and said that he hoped that the house wouldn't push this too quickly because we seem to suddenly be learning new information at light speed. And there may be some value to letting it go a couple of weeks longer than the members would like, just to ensure that all of the relevant information comes to light. And I think that that's correct. Yeah, I concur, too.

And we were always sort of also waiting for the financial information from Bazaars, which has reached the Supreme Court now, and then also, of course, the Mueller-Granjury materials, which would have documentary evidence, I think, that Trump lied to Mueller. Yes, all of the above. I would be surprised if we didn't see some form of obstruction based on the Mueller report in the articles of impeachment. Agreed. If not for the lying, then for the all the obstruction that he laid out in volume two of his report Joyce.

Thanks so much for joining us today. I know you have a very busy schedule. I appreciate you taking time to come on. It's always good to get a chance to talk to you. Have a good holiday. You as well. Bye-bye. All right, that's our show for today.

Thanks again to Joyce Vance for coming on, going through those different defenses with us and talking about what she expects to come up from, you know, in the impeachment. I'm really glad to, every time I have her on, she's just a fantastic guest, very knowledgeable. And I know she's got a really busy schedule, so I appreciate her taking time out to do that. So do you guys have any final thoughts today? None for me. No, yeah, have a great holiday with your fam, hopefully, and friends. Yes, chosen fam. Yes, yes, indeed friends. Yes, chosen fam. Yes. Yes. Indeed. Stay warm, stay safe, et cetera.

Mm-hmm. Agreed. Et cetera, not et cetera. Yes. Et cetera. And enjoy, and when you're done with your meal, don't have espresso, have espresso. Yes. That is all we have for you today.

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