Jack - Trump's the Symptom, Spite's the Disease (feat. Tea Pain)

Episode Date: March 30, 2020

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So to be clear, Mr. Trump has no financial relationships with any Russian oligarchs. That's what he said. That's what I said. That's obviously what our position is. I'm not aware of any of those activities. I have been called a surrogate at a time or two in that campaign and I didn't have not have communications with the Russians. What do I have to get involved with Putin for having nothing to do with Putin?

I've never spoken to him. I don't know anything about a mother than he will respect me. Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. So, it is political. You're a communist! No, Mr. Green. Communism is just a red herring. Like all members of the oldest profession I'm a capitalist. Hello and welcome to Muller Sheer Out. I'm your host A.G. And Jordan Coburn will be joining us remotely for her hot note a little later in the show.

We have a lot of relevant news this week as we are self-isolating again. of relevant news this week as we are self isolating again. And we do have an update today on the major Trump tax cases and Mueller obstruction of justice cases and Mueller grand jury materials cases. Those five major cases working their way through the courts. I have an update for that. Plus, we are joined later by the author of Home Tweet Home in American TweetHeart T-Pain, USA.

Mr. T-Pain was going to be with us to discuss the implication of Trump supporters after Trump is gone. He will be gone, whether it's this November or some other day. He will eventually be gone, but he leaves behind roughly 30% of voters that support him.

And we have to talk about that and how we cope with that because a lot of people happen to believe that Trump is a symptom and not the cause of basically the rot from inside of this country. We do have a lot of news today. We've got some stuff about Russian oil companies, Venezuela, like I said, we got the court case updates and I'm going to cover it all for you. And Jordan will be here later with our hot note. But first, we have corrections.

It's time to stay. It's time for me to say I'm sorry. Oh, I made a mistake. Okay, so for corrections this week from Scott, he says not so much of a correction, but I have been at home in Las Vegas, Nevada for two weeks under lockdown. Nothing I have listened to has reminded people who are still sitting around doing nothing to fill out the census online or by mail. Start reminding people to do so, please. Also, Nevada is not getting covered enough in the news.

Las Vegas exists in name only right now. Almost no one is working. And at least a million people in the valley have lost their jobs. Thank you for that Scott. Yes, we do need to get on the census. You should receive the postcard in the mail. You can do it online too.

And yes, Vegas. I mean, we had a $3.3 million, or $3.3 million jobless claims this week. And I would imagine like a third of that came from Vegas. So we have to be, you know, we really have to recognize these communities that are hard hit by this. It's everywhere. It's not just national and by county by county. It's global. But yeah, Vegas took a pretty hard hit this week. And here's hoping that a lot of those jobs, particularly in the service industry,

will continue to get paid. And hopefully the unemployment expansion in this latest rescue package signed by Trump this weekend will help with that. It's only four months of extended benefits, but we'll see what happens at the end of four months. There may be another stimulus bill. Don't know, though.

That's not a lot of appetite for it among Republicans. From Ben Taylor, FYI, splitting ventilators is actually a bad idea in the current pandemic, despite what you hear in the media. I'm a doctor ventilating these patients in the UK. COVID-19 causes a type of lung damage, which is very sensitive to the way you vent someone. If you vent too much, you damage the lungs and kill the patient. Too little, and your patient dies from not being able to breathe, obviously. You can't control this with split vents, better to save a life rather than kill two people. It might work

for a neuromuscular disease, for example, polio, but not for COVID. I recommend getting the polio vaccine and staying the F home until there is a coronavirus vaccine. He says my job really sucks right now and your show helps keep me sane. Well, thank you for doing everything that you're doing. I'm glad that we could help even a tiny bit compared to what you're doing out in the front lines and I will stay home for you. I'm glad that we could help even a tiny bit compared to what you're doing out in the front lines. And I will stay home for you. From Claudia Swan, ladies, you are the bomb.

I am so in awe of your ability to keep your cool in the face of everything going on right now. You're a beacon, and I'm grateful, not so much a correction as a tip. In her A block the other day, Jordan mentioned a website that records COVID-19 numbers, but I can't recall which one. Everything I've read suggests the best,

most reliable one-stop site for COVID-19 info is the latest numbers. On the Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center, which you can find at coronavirus.jhu.edu-map. So that is definitely where I like to get my numbers from, too. Thank you for that, Claudia. She also says there's an amazing interactive map and much more. Please check it out. PS Your Live Stream Skype was terrific.

That was a lot of fun. Thank you for being there. We did a Friday at 4 p.m. for patrons of both Mollarshi Road and the Daily Beans podcast. We did almost last two hours until Maddo came on. We shut it down when Maddo came on, but it was a live streaming cocktail, Q&A, quarantine, bananza. I don't know, we'll have to come up with a better name. That's pretty long. From Jennifer Lemon, oh, we're gonna do it again this week too. So patrons, we'll keep an eye out for the email

for the link to that. From Jennifer Lemon, you are an invaluable light in the darkness, thank you. And at a correction, more information on sex differences in COVID-19 mortality. I'm a scientist and we often see stark differences in incidents in severity of diseases in animal models and humans. Female sex hormones are protective in that injured cells

don't kill themselves, um, apoptosis. And they don't do that as easily in females. Uh, this contributes significantly to improve survival in pre-menopausal women to things like heart attack, stroke, traumatic injury, et cetera, compared to men. I was able to recently increase my Patreon contribution because of your pure awesomeness. Well, thank you very much. I'm glad that you're able to do that. I really appreciate it. Helps keep us afloat. From Liz Keys. I got a lot of friends who say, I can't stand listening to the news right now, and I've been recommending you folks to them because everyone needs news,

with swearing, and laughter these days. Thank you. A correction on a correction. I agree that if there's no election, terms would expire. And there would be no president, no VP, and no speaker. And all that would be left would be the two-thirds of the sitting senators. And the PPT, President Proton, would become the president. You said it would likely be Leahy, but this is not necessarily true.

The PPT is elected by the Senate, and while it is by convention, the most senior member of the majority, there's nothing to say it wouldn't be Schumer or Warren. Okay, cool. So, there's no rule, hard and fast rule there. Yeah, and I think we talked about that with Andertora as like, it's just generally the oldest white

is guy in the room, so that might not be the case. From Andert Grimm, love you guys, especially the potty humor. Not really a correction, just what potty humor I'm assuming all the things we laugh about, about Jordan's bidets of our lives. Literal potty humor. Not really a correction, just wanted to let you all know that many community bank workers are also being called

essential and having to work during the lockdown so that businesses can still get their cash. Can we get a shout out for all essential workers today? Thank you. Don't know how I'd maintain the same remnants of my sanity without this show. You are very welcome. I don't know how I would maintain my sanity, the remnants of what's left without you listening. So I appreciate that.

And yes, shout out to all essential workers. Community bank workers, food service workers, just everybody who is at work right now, cranking out food, working at grocery stores, the Amazon warehouse folks, just making sure that everybody gets what they need and so shout out to all the essential workers. And those are corrections. If you have any, please visit mullershirope.com. Click contact, select corrections from the drop down

and build us a compliment sandwich. As we like to say, we'll get it right eventually. And now it's time for the news. We have a lot of it, so let's jump in with just the facts. All right, from the Washington Post today, according to former US officials, the acting director of the National Counterterrorism Center was removed Wednesday in what insider sphere

is a purge by the Trump administration of career professionals at an organization set up after 9-11 to protect the nation from further attacks. And that's according to two former US officials. As you know, we've been seeing this sort of movement within the Trump White House to get rid of non-loyalists across agencies. And this seems to be part of that.

His name is Russell E. Travers, a highly regarded intelligence professional with more than 40 years of government service. Total colleagues, or excuse me, he told colleagues he was fired by acting director of national intelligence, Rick Grinnell, the guy who has zero minutes of experience working in intelligence, and the new recently appointed or installed, I should say, director of the National Intelligence. And this is according to those former officials who, like others, interview spoke on the condition of anonymity, obviously. Why do you think I go by AG?

So, Travers, who took up the acting position last August, had been resistant to pressure to make personal cuts at the center, which has been undergoing a review of its mission and effectiveness, this is just typical dismantling of government agencies. But it's not just Travers, also removed, was Traverse acting deputy, Peter W. Hall, both were acting, and that person, Peter Hall, is now returning to the National Security Agency. And meanwhile, a spokesperson for Rick Grinnell has denied Traverse was fired. Traverse quote, was offered the opportunity to move to a new role and chose to retire.

Yeah, I've heard that before. The move, the job, and take it or leave it situation. I have personal experience with that. The Assistant Director of National Intelligence for Strategic Communications, Amanda Scoach, said in a statement to the Washington Post that, you know, Travers was, you know, we wanted to give him a new job, but he decided to leave. Quote Russ told Acting Director Grinnell he wanted to retire and he didn't want another assignment. One of the former officials said that Travers walked into a meeting on Wednesday, expecting to brief Rick Grinnell on his counterterrorism when he was told he was out. And he had no intention or desire to retire, according to these officials.

So these are conflicting reports. And in that meeting, Grinnell told Travers, he would like to know how long it would take him to leave. And so Travers replied, he would need a few weeks to complete the administrative work. The Turkey. Now, we're going to go on to Turkey now, because this is Turkey. Now, we're going to go on to Turkey now because this is something that is a recent development in the Kashoggi story because Turkey announced this week it was charging 20 Saudis in connection with the murder of Washington Post journalist Jamal Kashoggi. But the prospects are dim that anyone will be held accountable. Now, according to the New York Times, this is all coming out of the New York Times, there's a lot of other outlets covering this story too.

But none of the suspects, none of these 20 suspects are in Turkey, and the Turkish courts do not normally try defendants in absentia, meaning, you know, they can't, they have to be physically there. And calls for international legal action have gained pretty much no traction. Human rights advocates doubt that the Saud justice system will ever punish the suspects charged there. As we know a while ago, they had some weird thing where they sentenced five people to death in connection with the murders, but didn't say who, and it was a very weird, behind closed

doors proceeding. In October 2018, when he went to the Saudi consulate in Istanbul to retrieve paperwork that he needed for marriage, Kashoggi was killed, and then he was dismembered by a team of Saudi agents, and his remains have still not been found. After weeks of denial, Saudi officials acknowledged that the kingdom's agents had killed Mr. Kashoggi, but they've insisted that the killing was neither premeditated nor ordered by the Crown Prince, the Central Intelligence Agency, or CIA, has assessed that the Crown Prince had likely ordered the operation with pretty high confidence.

So I think it was moderate level confidence. I can't remember the level of confidence, but there was confidence involved. And on Wednesday, Turkey announced the end of its investigation into the murder of Kosoge with those indictments of 20 Saudis. 18 were charged with, quote, murder with monstrous intent to inflict grave torment. That's an interesting charge. U.S. lawmakers have sought legislation to limit arms sales to Saudi Arabia in response and in December they passed a provision requiring the DNI, who is now Rick Grinnell, the moron, to declassify what the United States knows about the involvement of Mr. Kush's show

Jeez Murder. And of course the director failed to provide that information by the 38 deadline in this month. Both Democratic and Republican leaders of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Mark Warner and Richard Burr, and we know he's in trouble right now for his stock scam, both urged the Acting Director of National Intelligence Rick Grinnell to reconsider the decision not to declassify the information. So even Burr is asking for Grinnell to hand this shit over. Of course, we haven't heard much about the phone call that was stashed away along with

the Zelensky call in that code word classified system. There have been a few calls with Trump about, we don't know if they're about Kosoji, but they were definitely with Mahabud bin Salman. And Mr. Garnels' office has said it was not releasing the information, so it was not to reveal intelligence sources and methods. That's it's, that's it's go-to line for not declassifying things we actually need to know about. And let's see also this month, Senator Ron Wyden, a Democrat member of the Intel Committee,

said he would seek another way to release the information because he says it's in the public interest. I don't know if that's going to be a court filing, but we'll see. It's going to be tough, you know, with Bill Barr, heading up the Department of Justice. And also this week, I mentioned briefly in one of the daily beans episodes about Robert Levinson. His name came up in a coronavirus task force briefing where Donald Trump said he didn't believe he had died. Levinson is a retired FBI agent that vanished in 2007

and his family is now claiming publicly that he has died in custody in Iran. There was a statement posted by the family's help Bob Levinson Facebook page that said the information they received from US officials had led them, both them and us, to conclude that Levinson was dead. Quote, we don't know when or how he died, only that it was prior to the COVID-19 pandemic. Levinson disappeared under weird circumstances, way back in 2007, in the spring on Kish Island, a tourist spot off the coast of Iran. And this was during an unauthorized trip for the CIA to gather intelligence on Iran's

nuclear program. And after that trip to Kish Island, he was never seen publicly. Again, he was last viewed alive in a 2010 hostage video in which he wore a prison-style orange jumpsuit and pleading for help. And in early 2011, the family received photos of him, holding up a handwritten placard with messages in stilted English, such as, why you cannot help me. Family members continued to believe he was alive,

at that point, this proof of life photos, for example, and US officials repeatedly sought to secure his release, or at least to learn what happened to him. The Obama administration brought up Levinson consistently in their meetings with the Iranians negotiating the nuclear deal that President Trump eventually tore up. Officials in the Trump administration, like I said mentioned, Levinson in every public statement, urging Iran to release Americans in prison in the country. But the State Department and the Justice Department also offered a combined reward of $25 million for information on any information on Levinson.

Although Trump said during that press conference as we indicated that he didn't think Levinson was dead, FBI director Christopher Ray said he recently met with a Levinson family to explain that, based on evidence they've been collecting for the past 13 years, all signs point to the likelihood that he has died in captivity, but Trump insists that that's not been confirmed yet. So a little bit of conflict there between Trump and FBI director Ray. So I just wanted to give you a little background on Levinson, who he was when he disappeared, the circumstances, and kind of why he was brought up in that press conference. It seemed to be a little out of, you know, sort of out of the blue. A lot of people, I don't think new about Robert Levinson. And before we get to some hot notes, I have an update for you on all of the Trump cases. The big five working their way through the court system. First, in the House Manhattan DA, well, there's a House and a Manhattan DA,

a Missouri case, to those two cases, and the Deutsche Bank case from the House. Oral arguments were set for those three, for March 31st, but they, with the Supreme Court, but they have been postponed due to the coronavirus outbreak with some saying they may be heard in April with a decision by July, but that is of course up in the air. We don't know where the coronavirus outbreak or the situation

we don't know what it will look like in April. Many people are saying that the peak of this won't come until you know the first week or second week of May. So it could be postponed again, but if it is heard in April, the decision would probably be in the summer. But if this gets pushed back past the summer, it's not going to be after the election, not going to be until after the election that we get these cases heard. And in the McGann House, subpoena case, this is where they, you know, they want to McGann to come and testify about obstruction of justice in the Mueller investigation, the district court in DC ruled in favor of the House, as we knew, but then the appeals court ruled to dismiss the case for jurisdictional reasons.

And then that appeals court ruling was then vacated and on Bonk rehearing was scheduled before the full panel of eight Democratic, democratically appointed judges and two Republican, Republican repointed judges, none of which are Trump appointees. And that is supposed to be set, that re-hearing unbunk is supposed to be set for April 28th. Again, don't know what the world's going to look like at the end of April. And in the Muller-Gran jury case, because we know April 28th, I think, was also the New York and Pennsylvania primaries for the Democratic 2020 nomination. And I think they've been postponed, at least New York and Pennsylvania primaries for the Democratic 2020 nomination.

And I think they've been postponed, at least New York has. And in the Mueller Grand Jury materials case, this is the one, you know, where like the Jaworski Road map from Watergate, where under secrecy rules, they were supposed to hand over the Mueller Grand Jury materials to the house. And the circuit court ruled for the house on March 10th. That was gosh, 20 days ago. And there has not been a stay issued, meaning the DOJ is supposed to turn those materials over

and the Department of Justice has not filed to have an on-bunk re-hearing and they have not filed for a stay, either, either from the appellate court or the Supreme Court. But with some new information here, they have until April 26th to file for an on-bunk re-hearing. A decision on that petition should prop, I think it will be denied by the DC Circuit Court, that full panel I was just telling you about eight and two with no

Trump appointees. I think it's the same panel. It's the full panel. And that would take place likely in May, a decision on that. And then the Department of Justice can file for a stay from the Supreme Court again, and appeal on the merits to the Supreme Court after that. And of course, it's just delay, delay, delay, that's the only defense that Trump has in these cases. And of course, we'll keep you posted on these cases as more information comes out.

So with all of that news that weekly Mueller related and Russia related news out of the way, let's bring Jordan in remotely. She has her hot note for you. Let's do it. Let's hit the hot notes. Hot notes. Hello everybody. This is Jordan's Mueller She wrote hot note from Mukichin. Hope everybody's doing well considering, as always I miss you all. I'm gonna jump right into it here because I got no one else to shoot shit with so it's just me. Alright, here we go. The article I'm gonna be covering in article Obama actually tweeted out from the Atlantic called How the Pandemic Will End. It's lengthy, but it's really comprehensive, I think, and it does a good job of sort of summing up a lot of the things that maybe we've been hearing for various news sources

as all this stuff has been going on, but it's just nice to actually see it all. Layed out in one article, and it's from a guy that also wrote an article not too long ago warning everybody of the possibility of a pandemic. And now here we are. So I think he's a really great writer and a really awesome contributor to the Atlantic. So here we go. Okay.

So he starts off by putting everything sort of into context. Right? He says on the Global Health Security Index, there's a report card that grades every country on its pandemic preparedness. The United States actually has a score of 83.5, which is the world's highest, right? You would think that that makes sense,

but that has been completely decimated as this is transpired, because even though there were months and months of warnings to us as COVID-19 was spreading everywhere, when we finally tested by the virus itself, right, we failed. So it doesn't seem like that ranking was well deserved, whether that's because of the leadership coming directly from the top. And I don't know if I don't think it's completely fair to 100% blame Trump obviously. He obviously sucks and is not doing a good job obviously. But there's other factors that our country had that I think we kind of we slept on a lot

and we thought that we weren't a better spot than we actually are. And so the author goes on to explain that in order to contain a pathogen like this, you have to develop a test and you have to use it to identify the people that are infected and then you have to isolate those people and then you have to trace the people that those people have a contact with. And that's what was happening in South Korea and Singapore and Hong Kong. They did that to a, the nth degree, but it's something that the US didn't do, right? And we continued to fumble for quite a while, and still are, I think, at the top-down level.

I know there are states that are taking immense leadership positions right now and basically guiding the country to hopefully a better outcome, but the United States really has dropped it on so many ways. One of the ways, the CDC, for example, they developed and distributed a faulty test in February. We've had independent labs that have created alternatives, but the FDA process of approving them has kind of been slow up until this point.

At the point where tens of thousands of people were getting infected, right, there were only like hundreds that were getting tested. And that was a really scary time period, especially because that's ideally, obviously, when you would want as many people tested to that. That's when that's when testing is incredibly essential, right? I think it's essential all the time because identifying who is sick and who needs the quarantine that's when testing is incredibly essential, right? I think it's essential all the time because identifying who is sick and who needs the quarantine and who might be eventually be safe to go back to work

is always gonna be important metrics, but especially when it first hit the country, we really needed to have a coordinated testing response and we just didn't. And the fact that the US didn't is insane. Alexandra feeling of George Chinese University, she works on legal and policy issues that are related to infectious diseases. She said, I'm not aware of any situations that I or others have run where we considered

a failure of testing. So professionals all around were not anticipating this. I know there were some, there are a decent amount of folks that were sounding alarm saying, hey, hey, the US is not ready for a pandemic. We're not ready. And if anything, those people were not, not only were they not really listened to, they were shoved to the side. You know, our pandemic response team, for example, at the White House level on the NSC, I think it was, was dissolved, right?

So, incredibly poor response to something that was considered to be an impending threat by many, just an eventuality. Our health care system largely operates off of the assumption that unaffected states can help the other states that might be going through an emergency. That's kind of the status quo in terms of, you know, what happens if someone runs out of supplies or if there's an emergency happening in a regional area. You know, the thinking was, oh, we'll just have people come in and help them. Well, what do you do when literally every single state is hit?

And that's now the state that we find ourselves in currently. He then goes on to talk about the future of COVID-19 and trigger warning. There are some disturbing projections coming up, but I promise it will end it with a positive, but for these next couple of minutes, it's going to be a little bit of a doom and gloom here. They, okay, so the author presumed that if things go unchecked by the end of Jan, there will be roughly 15 COVID-19 patients in need of a hospital bed for every available one bed. So that's 15 people that need a bed and only one bed that exists. That's assuming the mitigating fat or the things that we can do to make this better and tamper the effects down are not done. This is like worst case scenario projections. By the end of the summer, without adequate measures, it's estimated that 2.2 million Americans will have been killed

by coronavirus. COVID-19. So those are the doom and gloom stats, okay? But here's what's moving on. Move for, for say, moving on into the future with some hope. This is what's outlined as needing to happen to change us numbers and get those down. First and foremost, and what's important is to rapidly produce PPE. These are masks, gloves, other PPE equipment. That's redundant. Personal protective equipment. These shortages, they're happening because they're generally made to order and they depend on

international supply chains that are just completely breaking right now. Obviously, the demand is incredibly high and not to mention the fact that the demand is high but the places that they're made are also affected by COVID-19. So there's a lot of people that are stepping up in various ways trying to do whatever they can right now. We've seen it everywhere. We see people that are taking it on themselves to make masks in their home. In fact, I was talking to a patron who's super awesome.

I wanted to give her a plug because she's single-handedly made 600 masks already. She's one of our patrons. She's super awesome. You can follow her on Twitter at Lil Olive XOXO. That's LILOLIVEXOXO. But she's done so much work and that's just for one person to make 600 masks is incredible. And there's so many people that are doing that everywhere. And these are the kind of, you know, measures that people have to resort to right now because we just weren't prepared. We weren't prepared for this to happen. And it's required, honestly, of people right now, that everybody steps up in the ways that they can, whether that be staying at home, whether you have the ability to make masks like

all of is, that's obviously, I mean, she, she, the way way she explains it she literally spends like her entire day making masks she's like stopped doing what she normally does and now just does this so that's an incredibly dedicated super badass response to this not everybody can be as badass as all of so shout out to her but just staying home for example you know that's that's a in a sense it's a bare minimum, but it's also huge. The impact that it makes is essential right now. So everyone has to come together because everything's so fucked in our system, basically, which is very sad, but very uplifting to see everyone that's coming together and doing that. Another thing, Trump invoking the Defense Production Act to launch.

So this is in a wartime effort, basically. American manufacturers are supposed to switch to making medical equipment. And this is something that people in the public have been nagging Trump to invoke over and over again. And he didn't do it for a very long time. He finally invoked it last Wednesday. But apparently he's failed to actually use it. And this is reportedly due to lobbying from the US Chamber of Commerce and heads of major

corporations. So that's indefensible. And hopefully that changes. Next, we need more tests. Next, we need more tests. Right, we need a huge rollout of COVID-19 tests. They've been really slow to arrive because of five separate shortages. This article, this article's author lays out. One, we have shortages of masks to protect people that are administering the tests. Two, we have a shortage of the nasal swabs that are used to collect the viral samples. Three, we got a shortage of the extraction kits for pulling the virus's genetic material out of the samples.

And we also have a shortage of the chemical reagents that are a part of those kits. And finally, we have a shortage of trained people who can give the tests. So just listening to that list again, you know, this is a lot of supply chains breaking essentially. Good news, the FBI or FBI, oh god, the FTA. Very different, very different entities. The FTA is now, I miss molar time, dude. I'm going great. We haven't talked about fucking molar stuff, but forever. Here we are. Who knew? There'd ever be a day where I was dreaming of the FBI. What have I become?

The FBI is now moving quickly to a proof test developed by private labs. At least one can deliver test results in less than an hour. That's incredibly fast. This would potentially allow doctors to know, while the patient, they can hopefully walk and get tested and then walk out knowing whether or not they have it. We're adding capacity on a daily basis. It says Kelly Robles-Robluski of the Association of

Public Health Laboratories. And obviously, once the test become more available or as they become available, they're going to, the first priority is to test hospital workers because these are the people on the front lines. These are also the people that are potentially spreading from person to person. So we have to get them the resources that they need, they are our first line of defense right now. The third need is social distancing, right. And talking about these people on the front lines, this article lays people out, everyone essentially they say during COVID-19 falls into two camps. You're either in group one which is you're actually a healthcare worker or you're a first responder or you're someone that

has to be out in the community combating this or you're part of the second group which is just basically a plain fool who are not doing those jobs right now. And the job is for Group 2 to stay home, so that Group 1 has more time. So basically, this whole quarantine is to buy Group 1 more time. And it's time that is imperative to the survival of potentially millions of Americans. And it's really that plain and simple.

I feel like I keep hearing people say, I don't see the point of this, you know, Trump likes to say at what cost, right? And I hear members of my family talking about this too. And I understand that someone could be sitting here being like, my whole life is fucked. I don't have money. I have nothing to do. I have mental health struggles. I have physical health struggles, everybody's lives are being impacted in some way and some people it's definitely more than others and it seems like with a situation that doesn't have a definitive end in sight right now, that's really scary, right?

That really, really scares people. And there's an option where you could just not quarantine as a society and you can essentially just let everyone loose. And eventually, COVID-19 will resolve itself, but not without killing an incredible amount of people, a huge, huge amount of people that are going to die not only from COVID-19, but from other things. For example, all the people that go into the hospitals now that can't get the care that they need, because COVID-19 patients are taking up space in the hospital that they need. Right? So, it's frustrating trying, I don't know if you all have family members that are expressing that too,

but it's truly that plan and simple. It buys them time. Stay home. It buys them time and it saves lives and you really can't argue that. It's pretty, I think, indefensible, just like a time I've used that word to describe Trump. Who would have thought? It's indefensible him going out there and saying that we're going to reopen the country in a matter of weeks. It's completely bullshit. It's putting an idea in American's minds that they do not need to have right now. It's creating a disjunct in how the federal government is messaging things versus how people on state like state and local levels are messaging it. And even within his own federal group, it's like Fauci's on his team,

Fauci's just sitting there literally with his head in his hands, which is not up to COVID-19 code, Fauci. And he's sitting there, and there's a bunch of other officials there that just hate the shit that's coming out of Trump's mouth because like I said, as I sit here looking at my postcard, that says, President Trump's coronavirus guidelines for America right on the back,

it's saying all this shit about staying home and then he gets on TV and says shit like the country's gonna go back to normal, just totally negating the purpose of everything that we're working right now to try to do, to mitigate this as much as we possibly can. and to stay home, social distancing. So this leads us to the fourth need and that is effective coordination and dissemination of information. Like I said, the White House press room is kind of a high drama space right now with those sort of images of Fauci

just looking entirely exasperated and over having to work under the biggest city at that's ever been elected into that office. But apparently, Fauci says that Trump's been listening to him. He says he's got his own style. Let's leave it at that. But any kind of recommendation that I have made thus far the substance of it,

he has listened to everything. And really, I mean, it's hard to believe that there's any sort of seamless transition of information from one smart person to such a not smart person, but Fauci, if Fauci has just please don't, Fauci. That's so many people are counting on you. And you're doing such a good job, please don't lay. It's probably not in your control though, unfortunately. If anything, you'll probably get kicked out if you wind up losing that spot and that's complete bullshit. But it's essential that people get together

on government, state, local, and federal levels to have coordinated messaging and have coordinated campaigns to direct the public to do what's going to mitigate this in the most effective way possible. I was looking at the article that it mentions a recent analysis from you, Penn, that estimated even if social distancing measures can reduce infection rates by 95%. measures can reduce infection rates by 95% that's a huge reduction. So even if we can achieve that 95% reduction, we will still have 960,000 Americans that will still need intensive care. There's only about 180,000 ventilators in the US and only enough respiratory therapists and critical care staff to safely look after 100,000 ventilated patients. So to not follow through with social distancing as much as possible, just looking at numbers

like that, it's, again, indefensible. The only option right now for us as group two is to maintain the social distancing protocols for as long as it's advised by actual medical professionals and these officials and these, you know, academics who have dedicated their lives to studying pandemics, it's essential that we listen to them. Abandoning it now would be catastrophic. The article then goes on to look at the sort of three endgame scenarios of all of this. First is that similarly to SARS in 2003, every nation manages to simultaneously bring the virus to heal, but author mentions that given how wide

spread this pandemic is, it doesn't look like that's going to happen. So probably can't expect that first scenario to play out. Second is that the virus does what past flu pandemics have done, which is that quoted burns through the world and leaves behind enough immune survivors that it eventually struggles to find viable hosts. This is the herd immunity scenario, as you may have called it, or heard it referred to as. This is kind of what Trump is sort of touting sort of slow-key baiting people with, which is horrifying. identifying COVID-19 is way more spreadable and fatal than the flu. That's documented by a lot of evidence right now, obviously. It's also brand new. It's also something that no immunity is built up whatsoever in communities. So again, like I described before, to essentially just allow this to unleash itself on a society would be knowingly

understanding it's going to entirely, entirely break our healthcare system. People are going to die unnecessarily of COVID-19 itself. They're also going to die unnecessarily of other things that they needed to get care for, but couldn't because of the overflow of the systems. This is a thing that the UK sort of seemed to consider for a second, but then they backtracked when the models revealed those dire consequences. And the fact that Trump is even remotely dropping little hints that he's even vaguely considering that is absolutely not okay. Third scenario is that we sort of play as the author describes a protracted game of whack-a-mole with a virus, stamping out outbreaks here and

there until a vaccine can be produced. This is the best option but also the longest and most complicated, he says. The steps for a vaccine, I know some people have been hearing like last Monday there was a possible vaccine created by Moderna and the National Institutes of Health. And it went into early clinical testing and that's incredibly fast. Fauci said it's overwhelmingly the world record for that to have been developed so quickly. But now there's so much more in the process that has to happen for a vaccine to sort of come to fruition and be administered to the general public. And the author kind of lays that all out, so I'm going to do that because it was really

enlightening for me because I didn't study science. I went in as an engineer in college and two weeks in was like, nope, don't want to use my brain that hard. And then I dropped out. So I'm saving this shit for the smart people and I'm going to directly read the quotes. Okay, but it's also the fastest step among many subsequent slow ones. The initial trial will simply tell researchers

if the vaccine seems safe and if it can actually mobilize the immune system. Researchers will then need to check that it actually prevents infection from SARS-CoV-2. They'll need to do animal tests and large-scale trials to ensure that the vaccine doesn't cause severe side effects. They'll need to work out what dose is required, how many shots people need, if the vaccine

works in elderly people, and if it requires other chemicals to boost its effectiveness. So that's, I've already had a friend DM me, those like, oh, they're already testing the vaccine and shit. And it's like, yeah, that's the most basic first, first, first part of that process, which is incredible. Like Fauci said, it's incredible that they're able to get to that spot so quickly. And the scientists that are in those labs and are working on this right now are also heroes and it's incredible to work that they're doing,

but it's gonna be still 12 to 18 months at least before we could actually see a rollout to the general public. So that's definitely something to keep in mind when you start vaccine fantasizing. I'd also just on the topic of vaccines too. I think when this is all over, when we talk about behaviors that are going to like, hopefully come with us into the waking life that is after this really shitty night

mayor that we're all in right now. I think one of one of those things is going to be getting vaccinated for things like the seasonal flu. I admittedly have not gotten that every year. And after this, I will 1,000% get that vaccine every single year for the rest of my life. And I hope that everybody is experiencing a similar feeling. This is a total shift.

It's a complete shift that we're all going through on our brain like nothing's gonna be the same again after this public health wise It's a crazy bookmark in our history and I hope that people can find the good in it where it exists and we can take it into you know society once we start getting to see each other within six feet again. And we can keep making the world great. Take that, Trump. Make the world great again.

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to Hang out with you all even if it's thea text characters and an avatar But that's that'll do for now. So become a patron if you're not because we do those for our patrons and I hope you all are holding up Okay, be well. Thanks guys All right, thank you Jordan for that update. I hope you are holding up okay, be well. Thanks guys. All right, thank you Jordan for that update. I miss you. My hot note today is about Russian oil in Venezuela. And this will tie directly into sabotage,

which we'll get to here in a minute. But this is very interesting. This is a flu under the radar this week. Russian state oil company Ross Nafte, which we all know, it suddenly sold off its assets in Venezuela. And this is from the New York Times, the Russian state controlled oil firm Ross Neft said Saturday that it was ceasing all operations in Venezuela and selling off all its assets in the country,

signaling a massive shift in the Kremlin strategy that could actually rattle Venezuela's crumbling economy. This is not going to work well for the Venezuelans. And that's going to tie directly into what we go over in sabotage because there were just recently some indictments of some folks related to Maduro, not related familiarly, but like familiarly, I can't talk today, but you know, But like, familiarly, I can't talk today. But, you know, associates of Maduro have been charged. And so, keep that in mind as we go through this. But Rosneft has emerged as the biggest economic ally of Venezuela's Maduro. And Russia accounts for up to two-thirds of the country's oil trade.

And it's a significant share of crude production. And this is a lifeline provided by Rosneft. And it has allowed Maduro to maintain a flow of hard currency and supply to the country with gasoline. The US imposed sanctions this year on two Ross Neft oil trading subsidiaries for helping Maduro because we don't recognize him as the president of Venezuela. We're Juan Guaidó.

The sanctions which have hurt the company's business elsewhere in the world were cited by Ross Neft spokesman Saturday and describing the sale as one of the reasons why they were unloading their Venezuelan assets. But still, the sale of Arrasnaf assets is not necessarily a move away from Maduro by Russia. But, you know, Arrasnaf said it was selling Venezuelan assets to an unnamed company that it described as wholly owned by the Russian government. In that respect, Moscow will be more entangled in Venezuela than before. Because of its ownership in Rosneft, it sold off a bunch of it. It's just over 50%.

This might actually be a way to grab on and hold on to control of oil and Venezuela. Industry executives say the sale appeared intended to disconnect Rosneft from Venezuela without substantially changing Russia Russian role. Russia's role. Rosneff employees in Caracas have not been notified of any changes in their job status. Things are just going along like they always have been, which also suggest operations are continuing as normal. Some analysts, though, have cautioned that while the Kremlin is likely to continue holding

major positions in Venezuela's oil industry, the Kremlin's new holding company may not have the financial muscle, commercial network, or desire to maintain oil trade and investment at the level desired by Maduro. A Kirok-based oil consultant named Antaro Alvarado says, quote, they will probably not want to put the money down. They will regard the assets and wait to see what happens. And he said that referring to the volatility in the global oil markets right now because that OPEC price war that's going on. And David Goldwyn, our State Department's top energy diplomat from the first Obama administration way back, says that the move would further limit Venezuelan revenue

from oil exports. So it just hurts the Venezuelan people. Rosneft has been trading Venezuelan oil to small refineries in China, and that it's been in violation of the US sanctions. And while in theory, another Russian company could do the same, it could not do so immediately in the absence of Rosneft's trading systems,

which would choke off a source of revenue for Maduro's government. Mr. Goldwyn called the sale of victory for U.S. sanctions, coupled with a crash in global oil prices, the sanctions had made it worthless for Rosneth to trade in Venezuela and crude, so they consider this a win. Meta spokesman for Rosneth said in an interview

with Russia's Interfax News Agency that the sale was necessary for his company to continue doing business internationally. It might just have been a way to skirt these sanctions, skirt these US sanctions, which is the Russians, that's what they do. So Ross Neft is controlled by the government, but partly owned by private investors. Its stock is listed in the London Stock Exchange. British petroleum has held roughly 20% stake in the company and has representatives on the board.

So BP is bought heavily into Ross Neft. And their investments in Venezuela have become entangled with Russia's goal of regaining a geopolitical like stranglehold in South America and restoring influence that Moscow had lost in the region after the collapse of the Soviet Union. So that's sort of what we're looking at here. Sanctions on two Ross Neff subsidiaries that were shipping Venezuelan oil to China and India to slow purchases has led to a near overflow

of petroleum storage tanks in Venezuelan ports. And that put further pressure on Venezuelan production, which has stabilized it about three quarters of a million barrels early this year, but it's falling as the coronavirus is reducing energy demand. So that's compounded by the coronavirus problem. And the Trump administration this month sanctioned TNK Trading International, which is the subsidiary of Ross Neft after it's stepped up shipments of Venezuelan crude.

So we will keep an eye on this story for you. I hope Maddo goes over it. She wrote a whole book called Blowout on Russian oil and their strangleholds around the globe. So I think it's very important that we talk about this and we kind of keep it on our radar a little bit as COVID-19 takes over the news cycle. I think it's important that we keep these in our sights because there's a lot going on there.

So that brings us to sabotage. All right, so for 20 years, right wing extremists in Miami and Washington have been slandering the Venezuelan government, accusing it of drug trafficking, harboring terrorists, without having any evidence, and they got their wish on Thursday. This is the United States Department of Justice indicted Nicholas Maduro and 13 other current or former members of Venezuela's government and military and in addition to the indictments Bill Barr offered a $15 million reward for information leading to the arrest or conviction of Maduro as well as $10 million rewards for

Dio let's see Dio's dot-o Kabat Kabayah. He's the president of Venezuela's National Constituent Assembly and Tarek Isami, he's the vice president for the economy, Hugo Cardohal, former director of military intelligence, and Clever Alcala, that's a retired general, military general. The indictment, though, has already backfired. Hours after the announcement, Alcala posted videos online that threatened to cause further splits in the opposition and could result in the arrest of Juan Guaidó. That is who the U.S. and other countries back as the true leader of Venezuela. And before going into those details, it's important to understand how politically biased the

charges against Maduro and the rest of these folks, I named, how politically biased they are. The indictments are another brick in the foundation for a pretext for either a direct US military operation or a proxy military operation using Colombian forces. There are obvious comparisons to 1989 when the US put a $1 million bounty on Panamanian President Manuel Noriega only to subsequently invade the country if you remember that. And that caused an estimated 4,000 deaths. The reward the US is offering for Maduro and these others that's troubling as well.

They've already been compared to a bounty, the equivalent of a bounty on their heads. And Maduro has already survived at least one assassination attempt. And the rewards could be interpreted as a get out of jail free cards. It's someone succeed in murdering any of these folks. On the other hand, the rewards verify what the Venezuelan government has been saying As a get out of jail free cards, it's someone succeed in murdering any of these folks. On the other hand, the rewards verify what the Venezuelan government has been saying all

along that the U.S. is offering millions of dollars for people to turn on the country's leadership. Another blunder with these indictments is that the Trump administration is sending contradictory messages, oh, total shocker. On one hand, they have tried for like the last three years trying to get high-level Venezuelan government officials to defect, promising space to operate politically, you know, after the transitional government comes into power. But on the other, talking to the other side of the mouth, they have dided the most high-profile members of the

military who have defected. And number one, being Clive or Alcala, and they brought him up on charges of narcoterrorism. And so the brazenness of that indictment is attempting to cast Venezuela as a narcotics at Narco-state. And the lack of foresight regarding possible, you know, blowback from this, the attempted sabotage of dialogue and the mixed messaging talking out of both sides of their mouth, all signals that the Trump administration is pretty much desperate to ensure its regime-change policy shows results. They want results. And the victims of this policy, of course, defend his way, and the people, who would be much better off with a policy of de-escalation, dialogue,

and removal of the sanctions. So, keeping that in mind, let's play the fantasy and diamond league. I'm gonna be a dietit! No it is gonna be okay. Dietitit! Cye dick! Dietitit! Cye! I'm gonna be a dietitit! Oh, they can't, it's gonna be okay. Just calm down. I can't calm down, I'm gonna be a dietititit!

Alright, so for Fantasy and Di'tmolique, and this is, I feel like the fantasy and Di'tmink is a little like on hiatus a little bit. I know I was putting, I was putting bets out yesterday about how many pens Trump would touch and then hand out and How many hands he would shake during the signing of the rescue package because the stimulus bill that that he signed on Friday And I've got photos of him giving out two pens I don't know how many more there were they didn't televised it They were supposed to televised it and no one ran it on TV I don't know if that was a network decision or a Trump decision

But no Democrats were in the room. So that was interesting. But beyond that, I mean, there are, I think there could be indictments like retaliatory indictments that come out of this department of justice. And so I'm gonna go ahead and put, as my five picks, pretty much the same picks I had last week. It's gonna be superseding Parnas

and superseding Fruiman and superseding Korea. That's the other associate that was indicted along with Parnas and Fruiman. And I would also like to do Giuliani, although I don't know that Barr is gonna indict him, unless it's to protect the president and that could be a move.

So I'll have him on there. And I know they're not gonna bring up additional charges on Flynn, at least I hope they do, but I'm not gonna pick him. And I'm not gonna pick him in hopes that they do, because that's what always happens. So instead, I'll do the own choir, specifically Pecker. So those are my, those are my fancy indictment league picks,

although I don't see any legit indictments coming out of this Department of Justice. Although I will say I was surprised that Burman in New York did indict the Turkish Hulk Bank when Trump was pushing back and Barr was pushing back on that. So that's interesting. And so I think if anything happens with Giuliani, it's gonna be because there's just no way not to indict him.

He's just not uninditable, if that makes any sense. But we'll find out. All right, no commercial breaks this show. You're welcome. So let's get right to the interview. I had the distinct pleasure of talking with one of the Twitter greats. Let's take a listen.

Joining us for the interview today is your friend and mine on Twitter, author of Home Tweet Home and American Tweet Heart at T-Pain USA, is where you can find him. It's T-Pain. Thank you for coming on Mollarsy Road today, T-Pain. Well, thank you, Sister A.G. And how do you, America? I'm really, really glad to get to talk to you. First of all, amazing books and incredible presents on Twitter.

I appreciate, I follow you a lot. Your tweets and retweets are very helpful during these days that are upon us right now. So thank you. Well, two fans probably helped me when you came. So I wanted to talk with you today about something I noticed you tweet quite a bit about. And this is about Trump kind of being a symptom and not a problem. And what happens when Trump leaves office, whether the real danger lies with him or his followers.

And going all the way back, I'm going to go back to his comments about Mexicans when he came down to Golden Escalator. We can go back to the Central Park five. All the way to Charlottesville, his refusal to disfile white supremacists, the wall chants and locker up chants as rallies. Now with coronavirus, his followers are wanting to have coronavirus parties to deliberately infect their families

because of his downplaying of the seriousness of this virus. We have pastors telling people to come to church, Republican lawmakers telling folks to go out to bars and restaurants and we even have the Mississippi governor telling mayors that they can't have shelter-in-place orders. And Florida beaches are not closing in Johns County until today. So I don't know what you think about this, but what happens once Trump is gone, his followers will still be here what do we do well

he pays daddy used to say that what we need to do is stop blown on the fur and get to the hide and what would that even say that basically we need to steal the still things down to their essence so we can truly understand them and i think that's what we need to do with uh... with with magaphox we think we need to look at the mag of mine and see if we can understand it. It's the same before Trump during Trump. It's going to be the same thing after Trump. So let's he may be just go into this a little bit because he lives here in North Arkansas and you can't say a lot of pop in without hitting the magga down here. So you think you've got pretty good understanding these folks.

And most good folks like you and me and you're at regular folks on the street, they measure success in their life by achievement. And that's like happy families, good careers, friends and strong community life and stuff like that. But the magma mind, you gotta understand, it made your success by the failure of others. If you can imagine the kind of mind that is voted for Donald Trump and wants to do it again, those same folks have probably made a string of bad decisions in their life. And there's no hope of changing that.

So if they can make just one soul more miserable than them, they consider their life a success. Now that's kind of sad, but if T-Pang gets too true before you, you'll let him know, won't you? Oh, of course. No, but I think you've hit the nail on the head. And I mean, if we understand that that's sort of the motivation behind a lot of this, then how do we mitigate it? How do we combat that?

I mean, I would like to make racism and homophobia shameful again. Well, you know, T-Pain wants tweeted that if your MAGA neighbor thought it would, he thought it would hurt your property value, he'd burn his house down. It's all about this, this bicycle thing, and that comes from a lot of motivations, but it's usually the fact that their lives didn't turn out the way they wanted. And they

feel that that way, the only control they have is to tear down other folks. Now, I know that's a little cruel, but that seems to be the overriding psychology behind it. You also, you can talk a little bit about the Christians, the Magah Christians and the evangelicals. You know, they have a similar problem in life because not only do they have that spite thing going on, you know, they've got a conflicted religious doctrine they've got to contend with. And in the Bible, God says he judges people and nations on how they take care of the widows

and the orphans and the poor and the sick. And the evangelicals, let's see liberals always looking out for poor folks and sick folks, automatically, that ain't for them. So they got to create an alternative version of Christianity that's more congruent with their political agenda. So they kind of create a doctrine of cruelty. And T. Payne has seen this before Trump got here. The cruelty is there. And it takes place, it takes, it manifests itself at racism and in class struggles and anti-science and anti-intellectualism

so that people actually brag about being stupid. And how do you deal with that? Maybe the coronavirus is part of the answer. You're talking about the old George Carlin doctrine of we're the virus and the earth is trying to mitigate us as the problem. Is that sort of what you're getting at? T. Payne was thinking more of the Charles Darwin doctor. If you know what he's talking about, these people seem to be given an opportunity, and they seem to be making all the wrong decisions

to sustain themselves. It seems like that this is the opportunity for maggots to essentially displace itself. T. Payne. I want to sound cruel, but these people are given these opportunities and they're making all the wrong States. Yeah, I mean, I remember when it started innocently enough as as Magas burn in their own Nike's that they paid for already to own the labs or you know things like that just blow in their microwaves up And now but now we have. They're hardly dating. They literally burned their early days. $30,000 bikes, right?

To own us. But now we're in a situation where it's life and death. They're out basically trying to infect themselves with coronavirus to own the Libs. And yeah, that's not going to end well. Well you're right on the mark there and you know it's just like a bad horror movie. You know the liberals are wanting the mag is not to go into the shed because there's a guy in there with a chainsaw and he wants to wear their skin for a mask and that just

makes the mag as well and be with even more. That'll show them let them. It seems that no matter whatever position, intelligence, and information forms, they want to do the opposite because that is just their nature. And at this point in time, it's going to be something that could end up being very self-destructive. Yeah, and I think, you know, this self-fulfilling man of his station of cruelty as practiced by the Trump cult, I think, it sounds like there's nothing we can really do about it. You just sort of have to let them either self-destruct. I mean, you can try to get health care for everybody and get stimulus money out to everybody

and try to mitigate the damage as much as possible to try to help as many people as we can. But I don't know that anything can change this, if they're willing to risk their own lives, I don't know that anything can be done to change it. And it's not just their lives, though. The problem is, you see, they walk among us. And if you've ever had a conversation with a problem is, you see, they walk among us. And if you've ever had a conversation with a maggot, you know they're the worst mouth

readers you've ever run across. And that's mouth readers is the last thing you need in the middle of a contagion. And mouth readers, in this case, are spreading two things, a coronavirus and trumpism. And we still not sure which one's going to end up being deadlier. So what do we do? Well, keep paying the sex at that. You know that everybody, all these magas, keep saying that Trump was sent by God. And you know, maybe they're right because he ran out of locusts.

What we're going to have to do is what we're doing right now. Be smart, stay indoors, and try to to mitigate the damage from the virus as much as we can. But what we do is like, like Jesus said, we lead by example, people see your faith whether you're Christian or whether you're just a good citizen. You lead by example, and eventually people will either follow that or they'll pretty much fade into the dust in a history. It's going to take time and it's going to take love and it's going to take truth. Truth is such a valuable, precious commodity right now that we just don't seem to have any

up. You turn on the TV and Trump telling you everything's rosy and all the numbers. It's just like that scene in animal farm where all the animals are hungry but pigs are there given their speeches and their showing their charts and graphs how the food production is not more than ever and how things are great but their bellies are still empty. It's so much like that. And we just need to have more doctors fouch using less Trump press conferences. Yeah, I agree with you on that.

And I imagine this is very difficult for a lot of liberals or Christians true Christians who want to help people and don't want people to be hurt and live very empathetically that way. And I think that makes it extra hard for people with kind hearts. Oh, T-Pain's heart broke this week when he heard about those 51-a-tangin doctors that died. There are those people who are on the front lines. And those are the real heroes.

Those are the real angels. This T-Ping is all mushy inside when you start thinking about that. Yeah, I was struck by the hospitals in Spain having to make decisions about who gets ventilators and here in the United States, we're going to get to that point. We've already got hospitals discussing automatic DNR orders and it's going to get worse before it gets better. I just think that we all have to be there for each other to help prop each other up because of our nature, our giving nature, I think is going to take it.

It's going to be hard to cope with when it all comes down. Well, while folks are listening out there, he's been known to preaching gospel on occasion or two, and he's got a real bone to pick with these pastors that are out there, much like once again, with a spiteful mega-minds, challenging people to come to church, to face the coronavirus head-on, to show that God is on their side, and the virus will not touch them.

Those people, they need to be locked down right now and put in a room with rubber walls and some crayons, because they're going to get a bunch of people killed. They're supposed to be good shepherds and they're just leaving their flocks to slaughter. And, you know, the idea about Trump wanting the church's pack on Easter is like the scene out of a 70s movie, the starts where everybody ends up dying. If you think about it, it may be Easter's group is the right thing for that because that's the celebration of an innocent man being killed by the government.

Yeah, and it's just amazing to me that this has become political, that you're considered a leftist snowflake moron if you want to stay home and be safe. And you're right wing proud American patriot if you wanna go and take your kids and grandma to Disneyland, it's just odd. It's just really odd that this became politicized,

that a virus became political. He painted never thought he'd live long enough to see that wanting to live would be a partisan issue. This week alone, actually I was just keeping this just looking through the news feed in there a minute ago. A couple of pastors that have spoken out against the coronavirus, they died this week.

One of them said that the coronavirus will never touch him while he walks in the light. He's lights went out. And there's going to be a lot more of this. And these people are leading us in a wrong direction. And they're following Donald Trump. Yeah his poll numbers are up. I don't understand how that's possible. Well, America is a good people. And America has always been kind to leaders during crisis. If you look at it, at the back, of course, with Jordan's Bush, his numbers, his approval numbers on handling 9-11, were up in the 80s.

Although his regular approvals were in the 50s, 55s. Obama's was in the 50s, but during Sandy they jumped up to 78. Well Trump went up to what, 56? That ain't good news if the difference between your regular approvals and your crisis approvals is that, and those numbers have been dropped in nice, all six points in the last two days. It's a good point. Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, that's a good point. If Bush got 86 after 9-11, that's a really good point.

In just a few days, Sister AG, we're going to have a 9-11 every day. Yeah, somebody pointed out on Twitter that the globally we went from. It took us a month to get to 1,000 dead and then 48 hours to get to 2,000 and if you just We know contemplate those numbers for a minute. It gets bad fast T-Pain is not He's T-Pain likes to stay optimistic that he is not excited about the next two months. It's gonna be rough. Yeah, but we do what we can

Care for each other, stay indoors. You were asking earlier before T.P. got off one of his detangence. That's what, what do we do when Trump is out office? First, we're all going to do a little dance. But then after that, we're going to have to deal with a, with a 30% percent of the population that's still going to remain

loyal to almost a deep state, you might say. And T-Pain thinks it's so essential that whoever is the next president, nobody, and whoever he assigns to be the Attorney General out of shift, is that he gives that person carte blanche to do whatever he needs to do to address all the crimes that Trump committed near an office. And just cut that person loose and not be act like Bill Barr and Trump and where they get together to talk all the time, just let him go do it. And the more that those folks can be held to accountability,

that's going to have some effect on their followers. And the more that the truth comes out, the more that movement will weaken. And of course, that movement is old and those things will slowly attrute over time. So it's going to take seven to 10 years to really flush this out of our system. Yeah, Elizabeth Warren had a good plan

for that Department of Justice task force to reconcile all of the crimes of this administration. And we cannot do what we did after the Iraq war, after we have to fall, you know, because you remember the whole well unity we should move forward not look back etc we can't do that again it's it's things like that with ford after nixon and after the rock war it's that kind of looking forward and letting the shit go letting the crimes float away that uh... i think maybe helped get us to this point where we are

right now and i we can't we can't let that happen never again, never again. That's a deep thing. He's been kind of dark today. And if you don't mind, Tid like to share with you something a little more meusing, if that's along these lines, if you don't mind. Please, we always like to end our shows with good news. So hit it, hit it. Well, if you've been watching Twitter and you've just been outside walking around, folks have started to do some fun things

that they've been putting stuff bears in their windows. So that way when the families are out on their walks together, they walk by and they look and they search for stuff bears and the one is they call that a bear hunt. And that's fun. But the maga folks down here, they kind of misunderstood the rules of the game. And so they've been to them. They've heard bare hunt. What they do, they've been standing with their pants down

in front of their windows. And we've taken the column out of moonwalk. I don't know if I want to see all that, man. Where are you north, North Arkansas? I don't know if I want to see all that man. Where are you north, North Arkansas? Gizzard Ridge, man. Gizzard. For the Arkansas population, 47. Gizzard Ridge, of course, it's called Gizzard Ridge. That's awesome.

That's just what folks here call it. Bear hunt, the moonwalk. I love it. Yeah, we're doing stuff like that too. Similarly, we've got, you know, we put little hearts and bears in the windows and nobody takes their pants down here, but somebody, I think we have those little tiny libraries that people have in front of their house, people are putting food and non-parasables in there for other folks to grab. It's nice to see the communities coming together, so but I'll pass on the moonwalk.

But I'll pass on the moonwalk. Well, to do what he made is he's mighty disappointed in our leadership, but he is never disappointed in our people. America will disgroove this. America will stand tight. And it will take time and there's going to be loss but we will overcome. You take that to the day back.

Yeah, and I hope we can kind of keep this even though we're all sheltering in place apart from one another. There's this just great sense of togetherness and community support. I hope we can keep that going well after this is over. T-Pain is going to say eight minutes of that. Well, thanks T-Pain for talking to me today. I really appreciate it. Everybody check them out on Twitter at T-Pain USA. Author home tweet home in American tweet heart wherever you get your books any any final thoughts any last words of wisdom T-Pain wants to pass on to to our

listeners today we're all listening to the other T-Pains praying for and T-Pains pulling for you all right thanks T-Pain I appreciate you yeah we have a lot to do we do have a lot to do we have to roll up our sleeves and do it as long as we're washing our hands I appreciate you coming on, Muller She wrote today. Thanks again. Thank you, Sister A.D. God bless her. All right. Well, thank you so much to T-Pain USA at T-Pain USA. You have to follow him on Twitter. He's just so funny and so insightful. Thank you for joining me today. And thanks to everybody for listening and I appreciate your patience as we record these shows, sort

of piecemeal, chapter by chapter, and we're all isolating in our homes. We try to do as many interviews as we can and we'll continue to do that. I wanted to explain the reason that sometimes I speak to Jordan live and that sometimes when I don't speak to Amanda or if I don't speak to Jordan and just everyone sends in their blocks separately. It's because at our network right now, they are working furiously, furoriously to basically edit everyone. Everyone on our network is doing remote now. Everyone has to be edited together and stitched together, and it's a much more complex

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