Jack - Van Der Zwaan Is Indicted (Ad-Free)

Episode Date: February 26, 2018

This week, we’re joined by Paige Wesley & Armando Torres from Cult Podcast! We discuss Dana Rohrabacher, similarities between Trump & Mueller, as well as a breakdown of the additional Manafort & Gates indictments. Enjoy! 

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And they still have time for other songs. They're fooling around. Who can stop? They might be giants and their liberal rocket gender. Who? No one. This had to stay for forward somebody else's money. So to be clear, Mr. Trump has no financial relationships

with any Russian oligarchs. That's what he said. That's what I think. That's obviously what our position is. I'm not aware of any of those activities. I have been called a surrogate at a time or two in that campaign and I didn't have, and I have communications with the Russians. What do I have to get involved with food and for nothing to do with food? I've never spoken to them. I don't know anything about a mother than he will respect me. Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing.

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Hey. So as you guys know, I go by A.G. because I'm a government employee. I need to keep my identity separate from my politics. And recently, I've been getting a lot of very concerned messages from listeners pointing out a very obvious clue to my real name on the internet. And I'm here to tell you thank you so much for your concern, but don't worry. I'm aware of it. It's not a violation of the Hatch Act, and that's also not my real name. So nudge nudge wake wake. So please follow us on Twitter and instead, Mueller, she wrote, we're over 2,000 followers, guys.

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Rora Bacher, he's been up and down. I think we reported on him last week because he was at the Vesselnaut's guy. Vesselnaut's guy was at his confirmation, or not his election, whatever that shit is when you're in an inauguration. Yeah, I think we heard what. So, Jalisa also has a report for us and that's on the differences between Mueller and Trump.

Two rich dudes, what happened? That's a big question. Yeah. A fork in the road. We're going to get to the bottom of it. We're totally going to. That's really awesome. It's a wonderful article shared with us this week by At Scott, See Mechanists on Twitter.

We look forward to that. Today we have some very special guests from Sister Podcasts on Podbean, the Cult Podcast, which I love. You can find them on pod bean or wherever you get your podcasts like them follow them all that we have page Wesley welcome page and Armando Torres how you guys hello I'm good I'm getting as well thank you see if I know each other because right before this you guys recorded cult podcast and then before that I was here with Robert Timothy recorded science

Faction, this is intense. This house is literally just switched seats Musical chairs did well. I've been I've been a big fan of you guys this podcast I hope you got my fan letters Fucking hearts and all that You are not John Spurlock All that? No. You are not John Spurlock, I swear. You say on the internet.

You sir are no John Spurlock. All right guys, I know I say this every week, but this has been a crazy week in news. Fruits of this investigation are starting to drop and monkeys are picking it up and eating it and getting drunk. If you guys ever watched that David Attenborough special on the OcoVango Basin, one of my favorites. Anyway, side podcast.

Anyway, these indictments are coming out now at like a fierce pace. And so we've got all these felony charges. I have a feeling they aren't going to slow down for a while either. So hang on to your seats. Make sure, you know, go back, start, listen from one again. Listen from the first indictment, so that I think it'll give you nice framing of how this whole thing is un unaffolded. But we have a lot to get to this week,

so let's jump right in with just the facts. All right, on Monday, CNN reported that Jared Kushner is being investigated for his finances and his meeting with Sergei Gorkov. Among other things, Mueller is now looking beyond Kushner's Russia contacts. That was what he was initially being looked at for. And into his efforts to obtain financing for his 666 Fifth Avenue property.

Which how do you guys know? I sent that to my mom when I saw it, and I was like, I think Kushner might be the anti-crisis. Oh yeah, he thought so. He would explain a lot for you. Yeah, we had to pick that number. Yeah, I bet he did. Actually, at those properties, you do get to choose your numbers. So, the guy whose last name involves Kush had to get the sickest number.

I like that. You guys are dorks. So, anyway, he's looking beyond that into his finances from Chinese and Katarii investors. Also, Mueller is scrutinizing a meeting Kushner had with Gorkov, Sergei Gorkov, a Russian financier. Flynn attended some of those meetings, and since he's cooperating with the investigation, I speculate that some of Flynn's proffer has led to this line of inquiry. Yes. On Tuesday, Mueller indicted a guy named Vanders-Wan. I've been calling him VDZ. I don't know, it just sounds like an STD to me.

Or like Dragon Ball Z or something. It's just way cooler than his name. He's the son-in-law of a Russian oligarch named Herman Kahn, which is spelled like German Kahn, but it's Herman Kahn, who runs Alpha Bank or who needs a run. He's one of the four people who are ahead of it, the Alpha Group or the Alpha Bank in Russia. Alpha, if you're going like, I've heard that somewhere before, yes you have.

It is the entity that Trump servers began communicating with at the beginning of his campaign. That's what I thought. I was like, we've heard of this. And we mentioned that in the fusion, well we didn't, Glenn Simpson mentioned it in the fusion GPS testimony. And he's mentioned in the Steele d'Asia, the Alpha Bank. So they're kind of, they got, they're the blue dress to put it bluntly. The indictment, this indictment alleges that Vanders won knew about Manifording Gates

getting a cooked report from Skaden law firm on the jailing of Timashenko. Timashenko is the opponent of the pro-Russian Ukrainian president Yanukovych. That's the guy Manafort worked for. He's a Putin guy, Putin installed him in Ukraine so he could have kind of control over the Ukraine. And Timashenko was the people's person and she was the opposition party and they jailed her and then they cooked this report up with scad and law firms to kind of, they made fake news. Basically. Yeah, for sure. They're really good at it.

Oh, it's their best thing, yeah, their best skill. Yeah, this was a part of a larger effort to get people in the United States and the EU to publicly support Yana Kovic and create fake news about Temeschenko. This likely came from Gates' proffer meeting from February 1st, just a few weeks ago, which we'll talk about later, or it could have come from that no-knock raid at Manafort's

house, but I could be wrong, I'm guessing. The weird part is that I could say the following sentence, I could say, quote, Manafort managed the campaign of a guy handpicked by Putin in Russia, and his main strategy was to jail his female opponent chanting lock her up and creating fake news about her with the help of Russian troll farms, and you wouldn't know what country I was talking about. and his main strategy was to jail his female opponent, chanting lock her up and creating fake news about her with the help of Russian troll farms. And you wouldn't know what country I was talking about. Right.

It's insane. So, Manifort worked for so long for that Anna-Covid's guy, lock her up came from that campaign. Oh, yeah. From Tim Machenko. And spreading fake news about her. And they're like, hmm, what helps we can do this in the United States.

And so, if you didn't, bro, if I can do it to the United States? And so what they say if you didn't broke fucking do it to the United States is that it? What do we call fake news? That's actually fake news. So real news is fake news What's fake news? When you call it compromise, I think that's the compromise definitely just infamazia This is some good Kushner a year It's gotta be a strain by now. And I think I brought up in a previous episode that I hope in prison his nickname is Tushner. Oh!

Left? No. Really? Okay. We also got confirmation Monday from Coats. That's the head of the NSA that the Russian spy chiefs remember a couple weeks ago, three Russian spy chiefs came over. The guy from the FSB, the guy from the SVR, and the guy from the GRU.

We got confirmation because Blumenthal or somebody sent Grassley, maybe sent a letter over to them saying, dude, what the fuck, we let these dudes in, one of them sanctioned. Well, codes got back and said, yes, I did meet with the chief from the FSB and the SVR. I got him a special visa to let him the sanction guy come in, but the third guy who was also sanctioned ahead of the GRU was here But we still haven't figured out who he met with or what he was doing. It's a problem. Yeah So that's the scary And if you buy this guy's and if you've seen a picture of that guy, Google it cuz he's a fucking scary looking to he looks like he looks like like fucking scary looking dude. He looks like he looks like like this all is straight out of just like a

great like spine novel like scadden industries and the head of the GRU and he just looks the part you know he's just a creepy looking dude. On Wednesday Trump tweeted that Obama is to blame for Russian meddling and called out Jeff Sessions for not prosecuting Obama for Russian meddling. Now that's confusing. It is. What about the Russian hoax? I'm confused. Yeah.

I always remember too. What would Obama's motive be? Like why? Like he clearly didn't work. Like if he was the one doing it. And he's leaving office. It's not like he just wanted to be the last Democrat ever. That's what he was doing.

He's just calling Putin to be like Sup bro yeah I just it's so like Russia didn't include no Russia didn't interfere with the hoax but if they did it was Obama yeah I do both have sexy beach pics though yeah but do we have do we have an Obama on a horse or a bear or anything like that? the horse and the bear ones are my favorite. It's what America needs right now. That's what a picture Russia is just as a whole family. Exactly, yeah.

That's why they're cozy bears. Yeah, it's ride bears to work. There's like bear cops in the street. Oh my God, bear cops. Bear like, bear cops. It's coming this season. You see what I listen to? It's podcast. I have to try and picture what a lot of this stuff is like,

because sometimes I don't know what these people look like. And so now just imagining that like all of Russia's defense is bears. Oh, so much better for me. And if you do a show on Fox called Bear Cops and it's Obama and Putin, that works because it's a black guy and a white guy. And they're solving cracks together on bears.

Yeah. I'm excited. Or just like thick hairy gay cops. I watched that too. I watched both. I watched both. You think Trump just wanted to be the last one to do the thanks Obama meme? Oh yeah. That would do it for sure. Maybe. So yeah, so Obama's to blame for Russia. Okay, so it's funny because the next thing in my note says we learn today, which is Wednesday that gates might make a deal. As a new sealed indictment hit the docket, we'll find out later this week. Just three days ago. Also on Wednesday we found out about a guy named Cawk. And I just thought, Cawk, you're mad at him. Because his name is Cawk.

I don't know, I've been familiar with Cawk for quite a while. Well let me tell you something you might not know about Cawk. Cawk is a banker that lent Manafort money when no one else would, and Manafort may or may not have promised Cawk a job in the White House. Specifically Secretary of the Army. Oh what a dick. Cock. Oh poor army.

I could mock them for days but only because I was a Navy. Totally cock. God of course he finds a one guy named cock. All right, then something weird happened. In a sad attempt to seize the narrative, right? Right wing, new sources, Fox, and everybody started a little hashtag campaign. They tried so hard, but it fizzled to get Flynn to withdraw his guilty plea. Now the reason you guys don't know what I'm talking about is because this was so sad and pathetic that it never made it anywhere.

The reason, okay, so basically remember the new Nes memo? Yeah. Oh you do? Cause I don't. It's kind of like that. But basically the judge in Flynn's case filed an order that said, and I'm paraphrasing, in order in addition to evidence of crime, criminal evidence, the prosecution must also hand over any sculpatory evidence to the defense during discovery. Brady. Okay. So that's basically, it means the judge ordered Mueller to turn over any and all evidence that's good for Flynn, not just the stuff that's bad for Flynn, okay? Now the hilarious part is the right wing latched onto this and you're like, hey, hey, Flynn must be innocent because the judge is ordered to turn over stuff that says he's innocent.

But actually, this isn't order that judges enter during discovery as a matter of procedure to remind the prosecution that they have to give over to exculpatory evidence if they haven't. Yeah, it's a, it's a, these people don't understand how government works. Well, there is things don't, it's considered a Brady violation, can prove it, it's a, it's a, it's a, these people don't understand how government works. Well, it's considered a Brady violation, it can prove it. It's a reason to have convictions over turns.

Oh, for not handing over a sculpatory evidence. Yeah. Right. So now it's probably in all federal court cases, a rule or a policy that you have to remind the prosecution to turn over any sculpatory evidence. Right. What did they just be doing that on their own just to try to make a case for them? No, it's a prosecution.

Oh, God, I had it. This would be like if you murdered somebody and the state is trying you, but they found evidence that since maybe you didn't murder somebody, they can't keep that from you. Got it. They have to at least tell you. They might not use it in the trial, but they have to inform you of it. And if they don't, least tell you they might not use it in the trial that they have to inform you of it And if they don't it's what's considered a Brady violation. Oh cool. Brady Bunch. Yeah, I know All right, so that was stupid and a dumb hashtag happened

What was the hashtag? I think Freeful in her side. I don't know so I you know what it was price something dumb like withdraw your guilty plea mic or something This hashtag is 47 luck old people are not good Yeah, free blended work is because it got mixed with a different hashtag free flan at your pola No, I was convinced I'm not sure if it's a bit bad. I'm not sure if it's a bit bad. I'm not sure if it's a bit bad.

I'm not sure if it's a bit bad. They have not your cheese now. It's not that far. What is this? What is life, Ethan? Thanks Obama. Also on Wednesday, we got the transcript from the VDZ, the Vanders Wann, and Dite Met Hearing. It turns out he's not cooperating with Mueller

He just signed a guilty plea. He just pleaded guilty no cooperation Nine from vandors one so his charges must not have been bad enough for him to need to actually He's also not a sense of the likelihood of them being able to charge Yeah, I'll read him as much lower than somebody who's actually here and he just lied to the FBI So it's not like the 32 other charges. Right. Let some people have. Thursday, Mueller entered a super-seating indictment on the Man of Fort Gates case

that included 32 new felony charges on top of the 12 from the first indictment. These new charges include tax fraud, money laundering, and lying to banks to get loans, also known as bank fraud. These new charges were filed in the Eastern District of Virginia, whereas the first charges were filed in DC. I'll go over the indictments a little later in the show. I'm going to talk about the indictments in the second half of the show. We learned that Tom Green is actually Gates' lawyer on Wednesday. You love? On Thursday. On Thursday, but then 10 minutes later, we learned he was fired, but then he came back again. Right.

But I think it was just bad reporting. He decided to be his lawyer. It's been musical fucking lawyers for Gates for a few weeks now. His defense attorney... Sorry. No, good. His defense attorneys, when they left, they said it was over irreconcilable differences. Yeah, okay.

They didn't like Frank got fingered. That's it. I still like picturing that it's like the tongue ring. Yeah. Actually, I know what the irreconcilable differences were. And I'll tell you in a little bit. Nice. We'll get to that.

So Muller was scheduled to meet with Sam Nunberg. Do you guys remember Nunberg? The Nunberger? The Nunberger. Yeah. He was scheduled to meet with Mueller on Thursday. Nunberg was a Trump campaign aide. We talked about briefly an episode, I don't know,

10 or something. Listen, just go listen. He was fired in August 2015, way early on, for racially charged Facebook posts, which I thought would get you hired onto the Trump campaign. Maybe it was the other way where he was like, hey, we're all equal. You gotta come.

You gotta come in. To Trump, that's racially charged very triggered so he was fired and he was also an associate of Roger Stone Trump sued Nundberg for $10 million saying he broke confidentiality by telling the press about the affair and arguments between Hicks and Lewandowski. And they settled in August 2016, but the details are not available, so we don't know how they settled. Fanfiction. I've been writing Lewandowski and Hicks fanfiction for like two weeks. We should do some like Hicks Lewandowski, Porter, Erotica. I'm down. I'm down.

I volunteer. 50 Shades of white. White privilege. Aged. Cream. On Friday. We heard Rumbleings Friday morning that Gates may have flipped. He wrote a letter to his family and friends, many of whom didn't want him to plead out, saying that he had a change of heart. Gates had been going back and forth on a plea deal all week. He was like the biggest cock tease with the thing in the since the beginning of February.

Finally, he gets a plea deal in. He pledged down to two counts pleaded. Excuse me, pleaded down to two counts to Friday in the United States, tax and fair of violations. And Ferra's Foreign Agents Registry Act. Yeah, not applying as a foreign agent. Yeah, as a foreign agent. So he, so two counts.

To Friday in the US, tax and the Ferra stuff, and then lying to the special counsel. But here is the awesome part, you guys. The lying to the special counsel part didn't happen months and months ago. Like most normal fucking people. Right. His lying happened on February 1st.

Oh, 2018? Yes. He just lied. That's when he had his plea agreement hearing. It's called a Queen for the Day interview. And the reason they call it that is because he's gay. No. He's a big Freddie Mercury thing.

The reason? It would make me like him more, but I don't think that's the case. Yeah, I know. There's nothing cool about him. But they are, they're just also repressed. Yeah, I know there's nothing cool about it Just also repressed and that's why there's such fucking pieces of shit I feel like we have to make a trailer now Little bumper So queen for the day means this is your plea deal interview and if you if you're good

And you can tell all of your past crimes and everything you know and you are not subject to Charges for those crimes right you're immune unless you lie He was so close why lie on a time when you're immune like that? It's crazy. Because if you pulse it, he can't. Because if you lie, everything you've told them, you're liable to face charges for in that interview. So it's the dumbest thing anyone could ever do. I don't know why he did it. He thought he was smarter. He thought he could smarter than Mueller. I don't know why he did it. He thought he was smarter. He thought he could smarter than Mueller. I like that. I like that. Clearly not like if somebody offers you a immunity, that's when you just like let it fly. Like on drag race, when somebody gets immunity,

that's when they pull out the weirdest head. Exactly. Exactly. Like let it all out. I would admit that Jay walking. Oh yeah. Yeah. For sure. Plus all those murders. Yeah, oh yeah. Well, the side stuff. I didn't tell you. Yeah. Well, anyway, remember when you were just asking me about why is lawyers quit, dude, are reconcilable differences? I think they quit because he lied in his fucking plea deal

of being a lawyer. They were like, they were like, drugs fuck. They did it. I know, thank you. You know when you go to a black jack table and they smack their hands and hold them up so you can see, that's what they did. You're an idiot. I know, thank you. You know when you go to a blackjack table and they smack their hands and hold them up, so you can see that's what they did.

They did casino hands. Where is lawyer's present when he was giving this? Yeah, that's so good. They just face palm, that's what Mueller now like. Jesus, crazy. And the FBI had to push back from the table and be like, thank you so much. Thank you.

Because now everything you just told us, which is probably those 32 other charges about bank fraud and tax evasion and everything you did with Manafort, all that shit you just told us, we're gonna file indictments. And I think that's probably what happened. Just a theory. But the fact is, he lied during his queen for the day. Also on Friday we learned that one of the Russians and dited by Mueller

last week remember the 13 Russians for election meddling on behalf of Trump turned out to be the head of the pro-Assad Russian mercenary group that attacked US troops in Syria on February 7th. That's insane. That's easy. Yeah the US US troops were attacked by Russian mercenaries in Syria and one of the Russians indicted last week was ahead of that group. There's something bigger going on, man. Bigger than Russia even. It's just, it's crazy.

We talked about it in one episode, right? That concept of a deal. That was a marketing idea. Yeah, yeah. North Korea, there's some world order going on here. Well the recolonization of the Middle East through the Marshall Plan by building nuclear reactors in Saudi Arabia. Oh my god, I sound like a fan-file ass.

No, no, no, no. Time will clear your name. Connected to the dots. Alright, then another superseding indictment was fired, filed by Mueller against Manafort, alleging he paid Europeans to lobby on behalf of Yennecovitch and told them to act like they weren't paid to do so. That's fake news, right? Was the Ukrainian equivalent of the Hillary pizza shop basement sex trafficking rig?

This is the meeting that Gates lied about in his queen for the day interview. That's what his lie was. He said that meeting didn't happen or wasn't at that meeting. When Maniford tried to get these European politicians, I think there's three or four of them. The VIP group of people. Yeah, two. Oh, also, you know who else was there?

Yup. Dana Roarabockers, and you're gonna go into that. Very nice, ties in perfectly. He's extremely pro-russian. Yeah. I'm wondering like what could they be trading? My theory is Roarabacher agreed to oppose concretionally into the Ukraine, which actually happened

shortly after that meeting. Oh. So he could have received maybe campaign donations from Russia. This is all congested. Yeah. Also on Friday, we found out Rosenstein called the White House a couple of weeks ago

and tell him there was an issue with Kushner's security clearance. Oh, really? That required ongoing further investigation. You don't say. But they've been so good about that so far, man. And he did not say that this information was discovered during the FBI background check. Okay, and that is indicative that the information could have come from the Mueller probe also indicative that it could have come from the Mueller probe is the fact that the fucking deputy attorney general called the

chief of staff instead of the FBI turning a report over to the White House council. So bull. Robus time call the chief of staff directly. I think Kushner's time as a free man is winding down. We've been calling that since like the second episode. We're waiting. How good is that? If he's on house arrest, he could just live in a six, six, six,

hell broke. No. No. Perfect. Yeah. We use own personal help. Yeah. Yeah, I love it.

Great. Yeah, especially because a bunch of other Russians live there, apparently. Textiles at work. They couldn't. They didn't even try bunch of other Russians live there. $10 at work. Mm-hmm. They couldn't even try. They didn't even try. They don't even cover shit up. They want chaos and they're getting it. Either way they win at least right now.

No, usually when you cover shit up, you try. They're right. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's ridiculous. They've done it well for the past 30 years. We didn't know they were still doing this. We weren't thinking about them and all of a sudden they chose to be caught. I don't know. They won't chaos, I think. Oh, they're just yeah, well, maybe I think they're stupid

I'm crazy. Don't worry about it. Late Friday night the White House released a statement saying the White House as it has said from the outset will not be commenting on matters involving Mr. Manafort or Mr. Gates as the matters between them and the Office of the Special Counsel are dated and have nothing to do with their service to the campaign. Lulls. What is that? What is the White House? No, it's just a stupid house. Houses don't talk. They write letters. You guys, this is really awesome. That's the news. We'll be right back after this quick break. All right, we're back. Thank you so much for listening to us. We've made it through the week's news.

Yes. Which means it's time to pass the mic over to Jordan Coburn. Hello. She's gonna tell us about this beautiful wonderful man named Dana Rohrabacher. Yes, so representative Dana Rohraobacher. He's a Republican from Costa Mesa, California. Of course he's a... Having been in Costa Mesa, it is scary. I wish he used to see Irvine. I used to live there like the Virgin Megastores. So step-furt wivesie. So he's from that district. And he has had a friendly history with Russia like no other representative. And now it is coming out that he's from that district and he has had a friendly history with Russia like no other representative and now it is coming out that

He's been involved in a lot of these key points within the timeline of the Mueller investigation so Not that he's being investigated criminally. He's not at all But his name continues to pop up and so there was a great article published and I think it was USA today Maybe it was a little bit in the newsletter subscribe, yeah But they lay out a timeline just of his involvement so I'm just gonna go through that because there's a lot of really juicy stuff This is very juicy juicy So back to 2012 is when the FBI first warns were

Sorry, it's dated Nothing to do with my wife. Cut off. Fast forward. You house. FBI warns him that a Russian spy was trying to recruit him as an agent of influence. Twitch, I imagine, he responded, what? But next time, he was an agent of influence.

I know we're joking, but these are great shows. I know, they really are. They call NBC or something. Yeah, I'm sure they exist somewhere and I don't know, 4chan. What's what are the kids doing? He stays. That's a little too much, I guess.

But what he actually said was that he said he wasn't worried when the FBI warned him. He's like, I'm not worried. And there's no evidence that he's been paid off or anything by them. So he's just going to keep trucking. Okay. Fast forward to March 19, 2013.

This is when the dinner with Manafort happens. The one that Gates was caught lying about. He was present at this meeting, like A.G. just said. And so this was when Manafort was working on behalf of a pro-Russian Ukrainian political party. Let's see, they said, okay, so they'd worked together on Reagan's campaign, actually. Did you know that? Manafort, yeah, Manafort, and yeah, I didn't know that yeah My god, yeah, that'd be amazing to talk to them though just to that being man for it is 74 or something He's really 73 is not what

So good no 22 months apart it blows my mind So cute. Prove doesn't look great for 70. No. Very like pinned by clothes, pinned. Yeah, that's like great for 45. It looks like the emperor.

Like what's hair blew up? Like, oh, that's true. That's true. Yeah, that was amazing. So, so Manafort didn't file as a foreign agent with the DOJ or disclose this dinner. And that's kind of where it starts coming under investigation. The contents of this meeting is what Gates pled guilty to pleaded guilty to.

You got it. And what actually happened is they both reported back to Ukraine. To Ukraine. To Ukraine. Yeah. To Ukraine and they found that document so that fucked him. Fast forward to April 2016. Meeting in Moscow So he goes and meets with a high ranking Russian justice official and this is during the time that Congress was

Expanding the Magnetski Act which prevents human rights abusers essentially from traveling to the US or spending money in the US. So essentially from traveling to the US or spending money in the US. So, uh, robra, robra, how do you say it again? Roar a bocker. Roar a bocker. Thank you. Roar a bocker. Is Dana. I like Dana.

I like Dana. I like a bear in Lira. Yes. It's all bears. I like that. Yeah, thank you. That is very helpful actually. It's a good pneumonic.

Roar a bocker. It's also the season finale of Bear Bucker. Yes! It never gets hold. Really? That's what I mean. I'm kidding. No, sorry, listen.

It's like 20 minutes. It's not. Don't worry, I'm still laughing. So at this meeting, Aurora Bucker is given a memo that says that changes to the Magnitsky Act would have favorable consequences on behalf of Russia. And when confronted about the meeting, he says that it was a quote-unquote nothing burger. And it was real. He actually says that.

And says that as the position that he holds in Congress, he has a duty to go and get any info and intel that he can. And that's all he was doing was just hearing him out. But really what happened at that meeting was they presented a whole slew of facts that dispute the premise of the Magnitsky Act and say, you know, Magnitsky wasn't that guy. He was actually a piece of shit in these ways. He was in the Dismphamia campaign against Bill Browder and Maggie. Exactly. Exactly.

They were full of Davie. Yeah! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha You just go home to people and be like, no, no, no, it's not you. It's me. It's all a beauty black box. It's gotta be a hot, not black, you need a white guy. Oh, so good. Don't worry about it. We'll have to do that later. He's a banker. Oh, that's right. He's a white guy.

I said it. I'm black. I'm sorry. So what? So what? I'm not gonna find out. It's okay. It's okay to to sell the balance.

If we didn't say anything about these Mexicans, let me know. Thank you Armando. Yeah, thanks Armando Torres. Oh yeah, if you can't tell from my voice, very brown. Very pretty. Yeah, also have Jewish though, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So I can talk about the baker too. You can do that. yeah. So I can talk about the Baker. Okay, so next month in May and June of 2016, Rohrenbacher goes back to Congress and says to his subcommittee, hey, let's pursue this Magnitsky Act discrepancy. He sets it up so that they, the, these foreign agents essentially could come and present a full documentary that just documents the counter case essentially for the Magnetski Act. That's the Browder movie.

Yes. Yes. I'll see that. And then also, simultaneously, this organization, that Vesselnetzkaya, the Russian lawyer who's sole purpose in life essentially, it seems, is to just overturn the Magnetski Act. She has her group that she created, which is called the human rights accountability global initiative. Too many words.

All of the connections are human rights, HR, AGI. She got that. Her Aggie. As if they care about human rights. Exactly. It's just an amazing yet again a troll campaign. No, it's the human rights what? It's the human rights accountability. Yeah? It's the human rights accountability.

Yeah, it's the human rights accountability. So you have to be accountable for being too nice to people. I like that. It's like a generator for just like generally good words. Yeah, we got to keep these human rights fucking activists in line. Yeah, and the whole purpose of this organization is to overturn the Magnitsky Act,

which is punishing human when right violators They're pretty clever for the most part I think this is where they fall short this podcast But like I just I think that they actually tried a little bit right they seem to have tried to cover this up with the with the intention Yeah, because they they put the Russian adoption blanket over it saying that it's a human rights Yeah issue to not adopt These Russian children that need to go and seek asylum in another country.

Because basically what happened was when Putin found out about the Magnitsky Act, when the Magnitsky Act was signed, he banned Americans from adopting Russian children, which is horrible human rights violation, I think. And that's why the Magnitsky Act is synonymous with adoptions. And that's why when they were crafting the statement on Air Force One about what the meeting in Trump Tower in June 2016 was, we were saying it was about adoptions, because what adoptions means is sanctions. So, yeah.

Very important. Yeah. Really quick. The documentary that you were talking about a couple of points ago, was that made as evidence and then just was made public so that anyone can watch it? I don't know if it's made to this way. Public opinion.

Oh, you can't even watch it. I don't know. I just heard, so what I read was that they were planning on presenting a documentary to the subcommittee that was gonna outline all of the points. I did, yeah. I just supersized me. Yeah.

I think they tried to release it and Browder sued and blocked it. I think. I don't know. Tell me, Browder, I know you. Listen, I know you're listening. Yes. It is Doug Benson's going to make his own version. Oh, great.

Doug loves Magnitsky. Oh. Featuring Kushner. Ah, yeah. That's good. You're good. It's just good to meet me. So, his plans to have the subcommittee oversee this gets thwarted by Ed Royce, who's the

chairman of the Foreign Affairs Committee, and he says, we're just going to make this discussion a full committee topic, which means that Royce is going to get to call in the witnesses. Okay. So, basically, Rowan, Rowan, Bokker, Dana, Lauren, Baka, Dana, Lauren Baka gets thwarted there. Baka, it's the Baka. Yes.

And fun fact right here. So, Foreign lobbyist, Akmichin, how do you say his name? He's Vesunod's guy as Helmi. They're always going together. Oh, I miss him. Yeah, yeah. So, but Akmichin.

Yes. So, he registered as a lobby So, but act mentioned. Yeah. So, he registered as a lobbyist, but not as a foreign agent, but he was very involved in this process and essentially helping Roar and Bucketwood. He's actually foreign. Yes, like that. So, we get mad at Americans for not registering as foreign agents when they are lobbying for Russians, but this guy's a fucking Russian.

Let me fact check that actually. Okay, cool, but that is around a fucking Russian. Let me fact check that actually. And if that is around them, yeah. Thank you, yes. We'll put a pin in it. But one of that guy's clients owns Prevazon, which is the company sued by Prit, right? Prit, Prit Bahra. Uh-huh.

Prvazon, home means. US Attorney in New York for using stolen money, essentially, to buy real estate. You have the $230 million tax fraud from Russia, which is what the magnet ski, the lawyer magnet ski was looking into when he was jailed and murdered. Yes, and then Trump gets in and then fires Barara, right? And then, a bunch of other, yeah, exactly, with a bunch of other people. And now, and then the guy that he replaces him with settles the case for $6 million,

which is apparently like 50% of what they thought they were gonna get out of that lawsuit. Okay, finishing up. June night, 2016, Trump Tower meeting with DTJ Kushner Manifort. They talk about Russian adoption is there in the Magnitsky Act. That's kind of well known now.

And just for context. And then June 15th, 2016. Or a boxer wasn't at that meeting. No kind of well known now, and just for context. And then June 15, 2016. Well, Rorobacher wasn't at that meeting. No, you're just putting that in context. Yeah, just for the timeline. June 15, 2016, House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy, who's a GOP colleague of Rorobacher, gets recorded saying in a meeting, quote unquote, is crazy, there's two people I think Putin

pays. Rorobacher and Trump. And then the recording cuts off as Paul Ryan fumbles to stop him from talking. Oh, no. It's how we know we're a family here. He was trying to make a joke. That's what they say.

But we didn't root it in ranch. Yeah, exactly. The best of the reign of truth. Exactly. So then they say that it was just a joke. OK, two more dates. September 20th, 2016, Rohrbacher meets with Flynn in Washington. And in November 2017, NBC reports that the FBI was interviewing

witnesses about the content of this meeting. So that's something that I think we can look forward to. Spring of 2017, Rohrbacher cancels trip to Moscow, because it'll be too hard to have a real conversation with all this brew ha ha about Resh, he says. Wouldn't it be interesting if the reason that Mueller knew about this meeting was that Flynn knew And Flynn's proper included it not the no-knock raid not dates is proper But Flynn's that's weird. Yeah, and then just to close that up, a source who asked to be remain anonymous, he was a senior

house GOP aid because he's apparently not supposed to speak to reporters, says that it was not that he chose not as an accord to not go to that trip. It was because Royce, the chairman of that committee, declined his request to travel to Moscow. Wow. Probably because it's just a bad look, I guess. I don't know. Yeah, just why don't you just chill. Let's just lay back for a second,

because we know you're gonna break the fucking law. Yeah. Side note, these old white people hardest fuck, like these crimes, these crimes are crazy cool. Yeah, white color crimes should have a tone show. Oh, it does, right? What's the best white color crimes? You know, white color doesn't have a hair white.

You're right. You're right. Good point. You're right. You're right. Good point. You're right. If I explained any of these crimes to like my Mexican family, I think that's cool. We've just been selling crack.

This is crazy. Oh my gosh. Oh, last thing. Sorry. Hema was Julian Assange in August of 2017. Oh, yeah. Minor detail there. Yeah.

He likes, he's but he's with Stone and WikiLeaks. Yeah. He likes, his buddies was stoned and wikileaks. Yeah. Where he says the sange said that the emails were not obtained at all through any sort of Russian influence. Oh. Okay, Kozybear. Okay. Well, thanks so much Jordan.

Yeah. Thank you. So, geez. I know, I love it. I'm going to talk a little bit about these indictments that went down you guys. So on Thursday, like I said, Mueller filed indictment of 32 felony counts of bank fraud, tax evasion and money laundering. The indictment outlined in really amazing detail, a two-part scheme that

Manafort and Gates carried out. The first part of the scheme lasted from 2006 to 2015. And that's when Manafort and Gates earned like tens of millions of dollars working for that pro-Russian Ukrainian candidate, Yanukovych. That guy was telling you about. He's a Putin guy. Putin wanted him installed there so he could have control over Ukraine. The second part took place from 2015 to early 2017, maybe later. And that was the two of them lying like nine different times and falsifying documents

to desperately get loans from banks because their Yanukovych money stopped because in 2014 Yanukovych was overthrown and he had to flee to guess where? Russia. And so he took off. So that money stopped. So all from 2015 and 2016 in part of 2017, Manafort engaged a running around like idiots trying to get anyone to lend them money, millions of dollars. And as I said, they were falsifying documents, that's the bank fraud to try to get loans. Then in July of 2016, just after Manifort and Gates, then in July of 2016, just after Manifort and Gates worked for the Trump campaign, they got a $16 million loan from a tiny bank

that usually lend, sorry, only loans to veterans and neither of them, man, ford or gates or veterans. And this loan, the $16 million loan represents a quarter of their entire income at that bank. But there's a guy there and his name is Cock. He worked at the bank and it appears that Maniffort, as I said earlier, promised him a job in the Trump White House in exchange for the loan. Now something that is important to note here is that Manafort was in a lot of debt to

a Russian guy, to Russian interests, to the tune of about 17 million. Eight million of that was to a guy named Dara Poska. Do you guys, does that sound familiar? Not exactly. Ring about because we've talked about him before. Okay. He's the guy that Manafort promised campaign info briefs to that we talked about during episode 14, the Shannon Woodward episode.

Yeah. Supporting role. I like this guy. So Darapasca will, well Trump owed him, sorry, Manafort owed him a shitload of money. And he's, him and Mike Gates are scrambling around trying to get these loans all the while just getting the job at the Trump campaign. And right when, because Daripaska sued Manafort in early 2016.

And when Manafort got the job with Trump at the Trump campaign, he withdrew the case. Derrapaska withdrew the case. And now we have emails that are coming out in these indictments that are between Manifort and a guy, what's his name? Calimnic, okay. He's an intermediary between Derrapaska and Manifort.

Manifort's emailing Calimnic saying, hey, I work for the president's campaign now. Anything we can do to get even Steven. And he promised Dara Pasca these campaign briefs on Trump. And that's with the Navalny tape. Remember the Navalny tape I told you about? About the yacht where somebody's got video of a, I think it's probably kill a kill him neck or Darapaska giving a Kremlin guy all the information that Manafort gave him.

So this is just all super fucking shady right? Like and this is I think gonna be the glue, the connection at least for this conspiracy part of it because there I mean we had Russians reaching out to the Trump campaign, reaching out to Flynn, reaching out to Kushner, through the NRA, all that stuff. But now we've got Manafort reaching out to the Russians. He goes both ways. Because he owes him a lot of money and he's trying to pay him back with information from the Trump campaign. And that's conjecture.

But I think it makes sense. It seems pretty obvious to me, with the Navalny tape and everything. Exactly. So they met August 2nd, 2016. Then in the Vanderzwon guilty plea from Tuesday, we learned that Gates referred to Vanderzwon to Kalimnik. That's the intermediary between Manafort and Darapaska

that I was telling you about. And Manafort was briefing him, which is briefing Darapaska. And he's also person A in the Vanders Wanted Dietman. Remember I was like, who's person A? Is it Kushner, is it Manafort, is it Donald Trump, or Jr.? No, it's Kalimnik. And so that's who that guy is. And Vanders Want lied about having conversations

with Gates where Gates referred Vanderswan to Kalimnik in September 2016. That's what the Vanderswan indictment is about. He lied about that. Kalimnik made references. Well basically, Vanderswan had a phone conversation with Kalimnik in Russian, and Kalimnik made reference to payments that were just the quote, two of the iceberg and potentially go liability for Manafort. Right.

Manafort seems to have been trying to trade as influence, as I said, and position on the Trump campaign to pay off his debt to Darapaska. So what I was wondering is, why does the O Darapaska money? Like, did he steal it? Did he get a loan from it? And not pay it back? I think that I loaned.

Yeah. I was also thinking maybe they were supposed to do work for him and didn't do it like maybe like mob style out there You like maybe like maybe yana kovic was supposed to get elected Okay, cuz they're already trading documents and information. So who knows how they've been operating before and he and yana Covage was not elected. He was overthrown and had to flee to Russia So maybe and maybe they got like a certain millions of dollars to get his elected. And when he didn't get elected, they came after him for it. I don't know.

This is deep, dude. I don't know. But anyway, Friday, Gates was charged with 23 new felonies in addition to the eight he had before. He replaced his legal team, hired a new lawyer, got the 31 charges dropped and pleaded guilty to two new charges then signed a cooperation agreement with the government. So on February 1st, as I told you before, gate slide about the FBI or to the FBI about that meeting in 2013 that he had with Manafort, four European politicians to lobby to Yennecovich and Roorabacher was probably there. That day, well they say Congressman One, I'm pretty sure it was Roorabacher. Yeah, we can fill on the planes. Yeah. So that day his three

lawyers quit, I told you, probably because he lied. The 23 new abilities they charged him with were likely things they told him during the likely things that he told them during the proffer meeting. Because as I said, when you lied during that plea negotiation, you're getting it because of way. Yeah. So they had him dead to rights. His cooperation argument is nuts. When he signed, he signed a cooperation argument with the government.

He has to testify anytime they want, anytime they want him to, to any grand jury. Oh my God. Testify at trials. And the interesting thing about filing charges, muller filed charges, these charges in the Eastern District of Virginia and the original charges in the DC court. And now they have to do two trials. And they have to pay their lawyers twice as much.

And so that he's just... Oh, that's smart. Fucking puttin' it to him, okay? So, but to cooperate, they've asked, they've told him he might have to go undercover and I'll have to do that I don't know. Although I was he gonna wear like a weird wig Yeah, he's fucking gay somebody Photoshop that please He has to hand over all documents and evidence and and he can't and he can't he's waived his right to have his legal team present at any of this shit Okay, And if he doesn't do any of this stuff, he automatically goes to jail for the amount of time that

his two charges would put him in jail for, which is four to seven years. And he goes immediately. And there is no parole in federal prison. Wow. That's beautiful. That's beautiful. Yes. I love it.

Justice. So the court could give him nothing if he cooperates most excellently. America. Beautiful. Yes. I love it. Justin. So, the court could give him nothing if he cooperates most excellently. Right. They might give him probation or six months or whatever. So, Mueller is really going to go after gates and his proffer seems to be very worthwhile to Mueller.

To dismiss 31 charges. Could that, they only brought those 31 charges to get him to flip. But, could that, so but could that something be the could quote the quid pro quo between the Trump and Russia. Gates was there for all that. Okay. And he was there for that whole manifold meeting Darapasca back and forth. And the other way there for the whole.

Yeah. He knows a lot. So. All right, guys, we've talked about the end diamonds. Do you guys have anything about the end diamonds you're wondering or any questions about them? I just think it's such a nice sign that it seems like he's strategically releasing end diamonds at this point just to get as much information as quickly as he can now from all these people. Yeah, it's like if you're at the point where you can strategically release end diamonds, you're in a good spot.

You're pacing yourself. It's like if you're at the point where you can strategically release in diamonds, you're in a good spot. You're pacing yourself. Yeah. Here's another thing that's really interesting too. When Gates lied during his proper, and then he got slapped with 23 new charges, and then had to flip 23 new charges in another district, doubling his court fees, and then flipped. That's Mueller saying, don't fucking lie to me. Seriously, he's gotta set that message straight.

I feel like, because he doesn't have to release any of that shit. Yeah. But he's like, hey, you wanna lie to me? You think I don't know everything? And that whole 13 Russian indictment thing besides letting the country know and letting Trump know that Russia meddled in the election,

so stop saying they didn't and do something about it for 2018. The detail he went into that he knew everything about those Russians. Yeah, he knew their names. He knew their fake names. He knew the names of the building. He knew their address. He knew emails that they sent back. That's why I love him.

He's so thorough. He says he genuinely loves the whole process of investigating people. But that message is like He has everything. He's a real deal. Man, do not lie to him. Yeah, it's it's incredible He's the Dave Chappelle of investigations. I mean is that accurate? Who do we like? Who's our favorite comedian? Well, you talk about Dave Chappelle as a comic. Well, yeah, like I'm saying Mueller is like the bet He is Trump's match Trump has skated through his whole life getting around Who knows what and and Mueller is not about that life?

He's so good. Sometimes he comes up with the punishment and then figures out the setup along You know what he does though he has an in-game in mind when he sits down interview someone He knows the answer to every single question. I hate to be this guy's kid. Seriously, I was just thinking that. Like, where were you? I know where you were. But he's such a caring guy. You were with Michael. Michael was wearing a blue shirt. It was in this film. You know what though? His friend, like one of his longtime friends that knew him like back in college said that it was the war that really changed him. Like he was a very normal guy like pretty happy but like reasonable before that. And after the war when his friend died he became this straight edge by the book we got to

do something about this country. And you can see it today, 73 years old and I think he's going to die with a great legacy. I think. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, definitely. He may save this democracy. I believe it. You think he has one secret blue one just for his lady? Yeah, I'm not even kidding. Guess what, baby, it's time for the booth. It's a similar Monday. I don't check it. Yeah. Alright, you guys, guess what, it's time for the indictment fantasy league. Alright, based on this week's indictments, I have moved gates from the indictment category, which was a super he was in the super seating indictment category So I get a point for that

And I'm moving him into the plea deal category. All right, so I've added a few names as well I've added Dana Roerabacher. I think he's going down. Yeah, I've added Thomas Barack. Okay, okay He's an old friend of Manafort and he was head of the inaugural committee for Trump. And it's interesting because in this, and this is totally a theory that I don't know, I just did some math and it just came to me. And it's probably completely wrong. Now, Manafort and Gates laundered $75 million. Manafort kept $18 million, Gates kept $3 million.

That leaves about $50 million unaccounted for it, which is about the amount of money that the inaugural fund is over. Oh shit. However, if you think about it, they've been laundering that money since 2006. True. I don't know.

You know what, A.G., if that's gonna be a big point right there, because that's a hell of a connection. I don't know. I heard 50 million and I remembered 50 million. It's gotta be somewhere. Where is the money? Now I've got links to both of those articles

In That would be a good one. Yeah, yeah, so it in and Barack is old friends with Manafort Manafort wrote a letter to Tom back in 2016 pitching himself for the Trump campaign Barack sends emails to Trump all the time like you rock There toats bf's yeah, and Trump like Mueller too before all this. He was so weird. He was also close to Gates. So I think his time is coming.

Wow. You're saying Barack? Okay. Thomas Barrett or Barack? Oh, I thought you were saying Barack Obama. You know what? I thought so too. And I was just like, I didn't know this. I'm not gonna ask. Thomas Brock.

Okay, there we go. Thank you. Yeah, no, the only thing, Obama's getting indicted for us for this. I was sure, a bad motherfucker. Are you gonna ask if he was born here? No, yeah, let me see your verses. Everyone, are we sure that Thomas Barock isn't just Barack Obama with a cool mustache? I don't know if I can mean that.

They're already candidate, please run, Tom Barock. Yeah. I've also added Pearson and Pascal to the indictment link. Pearson and Pascal worked for America First Policies. That was a nonprofit that Gates worked for before or after he left the Trump campaign. I can't remember which I think before. It's a pro-Trump nonprofit. And it's responsible for the digital and data projects. Okay. So that's why I was like ding-ding-ding. So Pearson and Pascal or Pascal. As you guys pointed out the irony of it being called America first.

Yes. Oh my god. So Pearson and Pascal. And then I have a bunch of K Street dudes. K Street is the the street where all the lobbying firms are. So I think that there's gonna be a bunch of guys who man of four it worked with that didn't register as foreign agents that maybe lobbied for Russia or anyone. I mean, if man of four flips, he would have to tell them everyone he knows that's broken the law and Gates might know some K Street dudes too. So I think I got a bunch of K Street dudes because

I had a bunch of Russians and I got a point for that. And then I've got Euro dudes, a bunch of Euro dudes. I think there's three sealed indictments headed to the UK for the UK right now sitting on the docket and I think they're for these three guys that were at that Vander Swan Roarabacher Manifort meeting, Gates meeting that they all lied about? Why they all lie about that meeting? All I wonder. So Anyway, so I got a bunch of Euro-Euro dudes on there too So I think and I think you guys with a week or two I think Kushner's going down. Yeah

Kelly said by February 22nd all people without clearance had to be out of the White House. Nice. And as you know, Kushner doesn't have clearance. So Trump in his CPAC speech, which was so gross, said he would leave it up to Kelly, but sort of hinted that Kelly had better let him stay because of what an amazing job he's doing. So they will soon be at an impasse,

especially when the phone call from Rosenstein came to the White House that we learned about. Cush can't get clearance. Likely due to his financial ties with sanctioned Russians and China on the 666 property and possibly others. But a time will come when either has to remove Jared or fire Kelly over Kushner. Are you saying there's a possibility he owns something

other than the 666? Kushner properties, I think they have a lot of bills. Do you think he might own the 666 tonight? Oh, hey. The neighbor of the beast. Thank you. So I think Kushner's going down and let's see. He's probably not with Russian conspiracy to start with.

Probably just money stuff. Money laundering, bank fraud, tax evasion, violating sanctions, things like that, things like these gates and Manafort things are. Exactly. Because I think he's kind of keeping these over here, because he doesn't want to get too much in the conspiracy and obstruction, because he doesn't want to show anybody what he's got. He's so smart. I'm not sure Mueller won't release them in groups like that. He could mix it up. I don't know.

We'll see. But you guys just time for this week's sabotage. [♪ OUTRO MUSIC PLAYING [♪ Dude, the 12, the Dem Memo dropped. Yeah. Oh, shit. Yeah, the dem memo dropped. Yeah. Oh, shit. Yes, crazy. So that's-

I haven't seen it yet. No, yeah, well, it's pretty much what we all thought it was going to be. It picks apart the Republican memo piece by piece. OK. It basically says, no, the judge did know that the steel dossier was gotten through political opposition research. The FISA warrants were not based solely on the steel dossier was gotten through political opposition research.

The FISA warrants were not based solely on the steel dossier, and then they listed all these other things they were based on. Right. They were saying that FBI would be remiss if they did not surveil Carter Page because he's such a fucking creepy dude. You know what I love if they like just took the letter of Nunez Membo and just like corrected the grammar and just send it back Yeah, so this I put this down as the sabotage because it is the it's the last minute news and it occurred to me that

Maybe people didn't realize why I called this piece sabotage. It was because this is news that comes out right before we record and it could throw, you know, throw us for a loop, throw a wrench in our plans. And because there's a theory that the etymology of the word sabotage is from the industrial revolution when workers threw their wooden shoes called Sabo into the machines. No way. To, to, you know, break them down. That's cool. So Sabotage. Yeah. But actually I think what it could also mean and nature has been just proven is that when

you wear a big giant wooden shoes you give yourself away walking into a room. Fair enough, fair enough. Yes. You can't sneak around with those shoes. And you've done the sabotage yourself. But. I just like yelling, Sabotor! Yes, that's very good.

That's very good. I like your inflections very much. You have a small tool. It's the thing that's first thing something. My original sabotage, which came out minutes before that, was that I found out that Manifort has asset forfeiture clause in his fucking thing in his indictment. Is that mean he gives up his assets?

Mueller is brutal. If Manifort is convicted, per the asset forfeiture clause in his indictment, he will have to hand over all of his real estate to the government. And if it's sold or burned down or otherwise diminished or outside the jurisdiction of the court, Mueller can take sub-mails instead that he deems necessary. Wow. It's fucking insane, you dog. Take your dog. I'm pretty if I'm wrong. Doesn't he, doesn't Manafort also owe money to people still? Yes.

Like he's in like dire streets for you to be in there. He's f**king funny. I doubt the, I doubt the information he gave Dara Paska was worth $8 million. Let's start at GoFund me for a man or four. Just to see how much. Because it might be like 14 bucks. You mean how much you can just indirectly give to people? Yeah.

Yeah. I want to just see comedically how much money people are willing to give. A decent. Where's your empathy America? How poor are these rich people? They're in a lot of debt. D.E.Z. I'm going to go shit.

And I have like a couple hundred dollars. I don't know, anyone shit. All right, guys, we're gonna go on to questions. We had some good questions this week. I took a poll on Twitter about whether or not Maniford will flip. 63% said yes, and 37% said no. What do you guys think?

Oh, I think yes. You guys are? Why would anyone give them to upper Trump? I don't think even his son would. I don't think I don't think it's about Trump. Okay. What do you think? I don't think he'll flip. I don't think he'll flip one because I think there's people outside of our country that are invested in him keeping their secrets. Exactly. So like if he flips, he dies. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if you know what happened to Yana Kovic or not Yana Kovic But the guy who was running with Tamashenko what happened he was poison. Yes by Putin. Oh, so they're free to

They're free to not try. I feel like that makes us Be less surprised to see him get poisoned than I would be to see him flip. That is so true, damn. So I think he won't flip because I think he would rather spend the rest of his life in a... A live imprisonment. In a white collar prison. Well, in an American prison as opposed to whatever Russia has. Yeah, and... And...

Yeah. I didn't think about that at all. Yeah, he's so fucked. That's sad, guys. Like, that's depressing as fuck. Yeah, and he... I don't know. I don't think about that at all. Yeah, he's so fucked. That's sad guys like that's depressing as fuck. Yeah, and he I don't I don't know I don't think he'll flip. Yeah, he's behold you know what? I'm not depressed fuck that guy I'm just depressed for the fact that Putin has a hold on this like more than we would like I would just hope that out of all this something happens to him Funny you bring that up because at faux pro bot, also just goes my F on Twitter,

asked if Muller can indict Putin. Oh, he can't. What? It doesn't mean he will, but he doesn't mean he'll come and sit trial. Yeah, I'm not saying he can do it all he wants. I'm not saying he can make a difference. He likes attention.

He might show up. Well, I actually get in on a paper. I'm supposed to be in the paper. I'm here. Closety. I actually think he will indict Putin, just'm supposed to be going up here. I'm supposed to be. I actually think you will indict Putin just because I think he'll tie up all the time. We're putting him on the fantasy indictment like Putin officially. That's exciting.

There we go. That's exciting. I mean, he's clearly broken some more. You're right. You're right. He would have to have proof of it, but anyway. Yes. Kevin Barnes asked, what do you think the major reason is for Mueller to have talked to Vandorswan?

Is it something that Gates said? Kevin and I also determined that Maddo's mighty neck is what holds up her huge brain. So that makes sense. Maddo, I know. I know. People shaving her for her. I know, no. I know. Last week, like, I was high and you just listened to it. Yeah, we love Maddo here. We weren't shading. Just kind of messing around. No, I was just wondering if somebody called her after having a thick neck. No, she'll listen to it. It was, yeah, but we love, yeah, we love Mad Al here. We weren't shading, just kind of messing around. No, no, I was just wondering if somebody called her

after having a thick neck. No, she has a lizard person. She has a thin, elegant neck. She does. I'm like very sexually attracted to her. I think. Okay. Yeah, I'm sorry.

We're a neck and only her neck. Yeah, yeah. We're really into the neck. My favorite part, my favorite part was when she was, she was doing a story on who was it? Nancy Pelosi that stood up for seven hours and ended her speech in Congress and she took off one of her Chuck Taylor's or her vans and she put it up on the desk with a ruler taped to the back of it to show what four-inch heels looks like. So adorable. I know you're listening Rachel.

So he said, what do you think the major reason is Mueller to talk? Why does he want to talk to Vanders? Because Vanders want to know about that meeting. I think that either Gates or Flynn or told him about it. And so he brought him in to ask him and he lied and he goes, no, I got emails and he's like, all right, I'll tell the truth. But I'm not cooperating. And that's why that went down.

Laurie Malin, it might be Malin, and I had a discussion about how to say by Felicia in Russian. Please let me have. Well, let's see. That's for Dania, Felicia. Yeah. Felicia, like.

It would sound by itself. Felicia. Felis... Like... Felisvania. Felisvania. Felisvania. Yeah, it was pretty good. It's on my phone. Oh. Alright, so how to say by Felicia in Russian.

I have a daz-Vedania Feliciav. Oh. I have... There's a word called poca. A felis-neak-off. And then poca-felis-nitskaya. Po then Poka, fellas Nitskaya. Poka, fellas Nitskaya, that's by Felicia. That's nice, I like that.

I like that. I like that the Russians have an equivalent of Felicia. Yeah, very inclusive. Yeah, yeah, they don't. They don't have like five or six names and then Mary and some of those five or six. Felicia, it's Gaya. They all sound like super villains, every single one. They do. and then Mary and some of those fighters. Yeah. To the Philistines Sky. I don't sound like super villains,

every single one. They do. Shout out to Attim Hullian, who said, quote, I listen to a lot of podcasts, and this one is important to me, as it's one of the few podcasts. My wife and I discuss when we have time together. Oh.

It's very sweet, but like you should also spend more time when you're right here. Why? You can give me a high-tech. I think they have jobs that keep in the park. It's very sweet, but like you should also spend more time with you right here. Say, say, say, money laundering and tax evasion are one, but what are the others? And then she also said, you mentioned five pillars in three areas. What are those? So within the money part, okay, so there's three areas of this investigation. And this is just what I've come up with in my head. This is how I keep things in order. This is not official. I have the money, then I have obstruction, then I have conspiracy. Those are the big three. And in the money part, which is one of the three areas, there's five subsets.

And that includes a pay for play, like the mysterious withdraws of money from shell companies by Russia. Those are the payments back and forth. Good pro quo. That's one, tax evasion and fraud, money laundering, bank fraud and far-of-violations. So those are the five parts of the one of the three pillars of the most agressive. I love this. In my head. This is, you can make a curriculum, like a textbook,

a whole chapter, maybe like, maybe I had a whole textbook. A nice chapter on this. You could, after this whole thing is over. You're right. Quick question. Hey, it was that was mine, I'm sorry. Sorry, so quick question. If somebody gets money from the Russians for something in this like in this...

Conspiracy. Yeah. That's illegal money, right? Yeah, that's called an in-kind campaign donation from a foreign national and it's illegal. Yes, so if they use that money to do something like use it in their real estate business or something like that, that's technically funding business with illegal makes. Can't you do a RICO Act and go for a record here? Well, if they're funding the campaign, that's an in-kind donation. In any way, if they're funding real estate from illegally gotten money through money laundering, then yes, you're going to Orico.

So we've got 18 different ways that these people can be. Are they going for recative? They might, if they have to. I haven't heard. Because I know you don't want to add on stuff you can't prove because then something will. They've probably had like backup plans upon backup plans. Yeah, because you also got to realize that Mueller

is leaving some of these charges for Attorney General Schneiderman in New York. That's right, yeah. So that he can prosecute these estate crimes in case Donnie decides to pardon anybody. Right. So he might be saving some of these other like Rico and stuff like that for real estate in New York like maybe Kushner's 666 building. Right. For his stuff because

he you know I know that they've been working in parallel to decide what they're gonna do. And honestly that you guys I sound like I know what I'm talking about but there is I am I am I sound like I know what I'm talking about, but there is, I am a tiny speck of dust in a sea of information of what I have, what we do not know is immense. And I want to make that clear that I don't know shit. Okay. I'll vouch for you. You know quite a bit. Thanks, man. I'll report on what I know. Yeah. And what's publicly available, I will make conjecture. You read a lot. I'll make, thank you. I'll make a, sorry.

I'm sorry. It does. Damn, have you even heard a TV? No. I, that's a Jim Gaffergan bit that I'm. Oh, even though I just liked it. You know, it's great about television, no reading. It's something.

So I, I just want to make it clear that, you know, I know these little bits of things that are publicly available. I try to put them all together into one delicious show. And then I will make theories based on these things. I try to connect my own dog. Yeah, I like that. Delicious something burger. Debra Feneros, at Debra Feneros on Twitter asked if the 13 Russian nationalists, can they be sanctioned? Will they be sanctioned or will they have their assets seized? Regarding forfeiture of assets, yes. In this indictment, just like in Matovårds indictment, Mueller says if the Russians are convicted, the U.S. will seize any assets obtained using proceeds from the crimes.

And if they can't because the assets have been sold or can't be found or outside the jurisdiction of the court have been diminished or comangled with any other property that can't be divided, the court can seize any other property of the defendant. As far as being sanctioned, I don't think so. I think sanctioned is a function of the executive branch, the president treasury, it's the Department of Treasury, cetera. So I would maybe think that if you know the DOJ sent this over to the treasury department and said, oh, you got automatically sanctioned these guys because they've been indicted in a United States federal court. I don't know what the how that works. But either way, likely nothing's going to happen to any of these Russians, except they're not going to be able to show their faces anywhere because if they do, they're going to get extra dited. We're just telling the

story. We want people that just know what happened. That was a whole point. They called it talking indictment. Yeah. Let's see. Anyway, I guess that's the last question. Wow. Okay.

Thanks, Deborah Feneros. Did I get everyone? Yeah, I got everybody. Wow, thank you also much for engaging with us on social media. Keep the questions coming. We do love them. All right, you guys, any last thoughts here before we wrap it up can't wait for next week Yes, it's just gonna start. It's just gonna go nuts. I know you guys make my commute so much for me

Colt podcast. Yeah, I'm gonna check out all the cool Yes, inspection cult podcast and and of course Mourciro all are pod main raw sisters or you know brother podcast yeah sis podcast maybe I don't know sister gender podcast yes yes the gender exclusive binary podcast unless you look at the coding, then it's very binary. There you go. Yeah, what do coders do about being non-binary?

Which bag do they use? Sorry. A bottle. A mountain dew wand. A virtual bathroom. Zero, zero, one. Zero, zero, zero, one. Zero, one, please.

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