Jack - You Can't Fit the Mueller Report on a Bumper Sticker

Episode Date: October 14, 2019

Today on Mueller, She Wrote, we have an interview with Jon Cryer, plus: we’ll be going over the DoJ finally starting to hand over Mueller documents, some shocking news about Deutsche bank, Rosneft is back in the news, there's a new senate intel report on Trump and Russia and our weekly Fantasy Indictment League. Support the show at patreon.com/muellershewrote! 

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That's what I said. That's obviously what the opposition is. I'm not aware of any of those activities. I have been called a surrogate at a time, a two that campaign and I didn't have and I have communications with the Russians. What do I have to get involved with? Food and fire, I have nothing to do with putting I've never spoken to him. I don't know anything about a mother

than he will respect me. Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. So it is political. You're a communist. No, Mr. Green. Communism is just a red hairing.

Like all members of the oldest profession, I'm a capitalist. Hello, and welcome to Mueller, she wrote, I'm your host, A.G., and with me today, I'm Jordan Coburn. Hello. And Amanda Reader. Hello. How are you guys?

Good. So, yeah, excellent weekend. I feel much better. Thank you for all the well wishes. I was out. O W T had to go to the ER. That's a lot of letters. But I got a shot of steroids. And now I feel like, we have Lex Luthor, John Cryer for our interview today. Thank you. Nice segue. Yeah, amazing interview. Probably my favorite interview I've ever done.

No offense to any other interviews I've ever done, but he's just so smart and so funny, and you're gonna love it. It's at the end, so stick around for it. I'm gonna listen to it probably a couple of times. You will not be sorry. Plus, it's ducky you know you have to. We do have a lot to get to this week but I wanted to tell you about our upcoming live shows.

We'll be at Politicon in Nashville on October 26th or 27th. 27th it's on Sunday our panel is at 2pm on the Democracy Village stage so take a look at the schedule and following the panel we will have a meet and greet. So stick around after the panel. And on our panel joining us us is Joe Weinbanks. Oh, cool. Yeah, form prosecutor from Watergate. I know that, that's awesome. Really cool.

So I'm really excited about that because she, I have so many, so many impeachment questions. I want to know what broach she's going to wear. I'm excited for a political on you guys. Yeah, it's in schedule. There's a lot of douchebags there, but it's so much fun. High douchebag questions. It's so much fun to peel yourself away from the douche nozzles

at the end of the day and go have drinks with all, like, my O'Wiley and Joyce Vance and the Brad Peabody Fang and Natasha Bertrand and everybody that you love. And then you can always see Comey because he's eight feet tall and you just yell at him from the crowd across the room. Because we've been in a building with so many douche bags. I was like, is my head gonna pop off

in the company of so many Fox News people? You know what, you'll learn. Just, he should just walk around with a tactic. He's just walk around with a giant blue curtain rod everywhere it goes. So you can just hide from everything. Yeah, it's funny. I know he totally like mere cats anywhere he goes, huh?

He's just like, everything. Yeah, it's funny. I know he totally like mere cats anywhere he goes, huh? He's just like, people meet at him. Where you wanna meet at Comey? Yes. I am a landmark. But what I learned at least was the first year we went and only year is that those people hang out from both sides like they're good friends.

They have long established relationships with each other from Fox News versus from, even like people from TYT, right? So it's crazy to kind of see that, to see how they have decorum with one another, despite the fact that their programming would suggest they would be at each other's throats when they see each other in real life,

but it's not like that at all. Everyone actually treats each other with a lot of respect. And to a degree, it's kind of frustrating. It sounds like the Prager use. Why the fuck are you friends right now? Yeah. It's just like the Prager use, Dana Loesch, that other one girl that gets kicked out of everything. Oh, God.

Um, Lumer, that's her, um, like, uh, Jacob trolls. Those, those, people are generally generally everyone laughs at them and they're always removed yes yeah totally they're escorted off the property yeah yeah that's so it's very interesting yeah to see the level but it yeah you're right it is fascinating to be like I guess you know social contract civil decorum we we often have to work with people we don't like. And I imagine that that's, you know, what it must have been like in the Congress maybe 15 years ago.

Yeah, I can't really argue, you know, for being at each other's throats. That doesn't really lend itself to any sort of good policy making or. Yeah, I'm so frustrated when it's being so civil, but the fuck, yeah, exactly. But I did kind of see them and I was just like, what, what, your friends? Yeah, interesting. What? I mean, it makes sense. You know, frustrating. But there's

no Nazis for sure. Yeah. They're not welcome. But yeah, Chris, Christie looks like a jolly guy you want to have a drink with, you know, totally very approachable. Yeah, except the pleated front pants. I mean, you got to stop. I'm going to disagree if you can stop that one. Well, you haven't seen his charm in person yet. No, I have not. I have not. I've only seen it on the news. He does look like he should be the head of some adorable nonprofit.

Yeah, he kind of looks like a kitty coo to kids or something. Be in a kid show. Yes, he does. Like the Wiggles, yeah, or what's the one with the Teletubbies? Just totally like, hi kids. Yeah. Really selling me good job. I feel like he'd make a good Santa. Like, he's just seems really jolly. Yeah. His future career is gonna be a mall Santa. Yeah, maybe. Then he opens his mouth and just flames coming out of his eyes and turn black. I know, no. And you can't cry, like,

when you go to see him at the Santa mall, you get like the bridges closed down so you can't cross it to get over there to see him. There's trolls. He should have trolls underneath the bridge. I still have nightmares about a talking Christmas tree that was at the mall near as my house growing up. Oh, no.

I have one of those. And you can program it to say whatever you want. Oh, shit. There was a person inside of it who would talk to you as you walked by. Oh, that's scary. It was like a giant worm. Oh, shit. There was a person inside of it who would talk to you as you walked by. Oh, that's scary. It was like a giant worm. It was terrifying.

Okay, I doubt we have any listeners. Maybe a few who are from Halifax, Nova Scotia, in Canada. But if you know what I'm talking about, Woody the Christmas tree, which was that MacMal is so terrifying. MacMal. It's called MacMal, that's what it was called. I know, it was a shopping mall named after the local

indigenous tribe, so fucked up. Wait, people are so ridiculous. That's so terrible. And I'll show you guys a video or a picture of it later. But it was like this ginormous, as high as the ceiling, like, toast a really fucking tall. And as you walked up to it, it would be like, hello little girl.

Oh, geez. It was like someone inside of it talking to you. So terrifying. Yeah, nightmare is fierce. That's giant. No, mine was tiny. Mine was a little too. like a teddy ruckus bin but shaped like a Christmas tree.

And it would normally just say jingle bells, jingle bells or whatever it was programmed to say. But I found if you recorded a tape and put it in the back of it, it would mouth to whatever you were talking. So we would have it say, I'm gonna cue your grandma or something terrifying when my cousins would come over.

Remember those fish decorations everyone used to program? The singing fish thing. Yes, Billy Bass. Why do I know that? Don't ask me. I'm not the one from Halifax. No one puts fish on walls really, right? That's not a thing.

You don't like taxidermy of fish. Oh, people do that. I guess people do do that, huh? Yeah. That's crazy. Especially sailfish, and that's the thing. Yeah. Is that the thing with the big fin in the long pointed nose? that's the thing. Yeah. Is that the thing with like the big fin in the long pointed nose?

That's the one. Yeah. Interesting. So we'll be at Politicon. Yes. And then we'll be in Boston November 7th. Tickets are available for both. Still, I believe.

Also our sister pod on Twitter. Follow them at Daily BeansPod. That's us. Follow us. And if you follow at Daily BeansPod on Twitter, you will automatically be entered to win lunch with myself, A.G. and our network CEO, Jason, from Starburns Industries, the whole Rick and Morty crew, not the whole crew, just Jason, but he's awesome, and we'll fly

to wherever you are in the lower 48 states, and we'll come have dinner with you and a friend. So all you got to do to enter that is go to Twitter and follow at Daily BeansPod and that will automatically enter you to win. We have a big show today, including an interview with John Cryer, like I said. We'll be going over the Department of Justice finally starting to hand over Mueller documents sort of. We have some shocking news about Deutsche Bank.

Ross Neft is back in the news and the Treasury is involved There's the battle for the Muller Grand jury materials that's heating up There's a new Senate Intel report on Trump and Russia Cohen is raising his hand again the White Horse prophecy is maybe coming true There's a story about Constantin Kalimnik that ties into the current Ukraine impeachment story because of course it does and There's a shake up at Fox News and the fantasy indictment league is lit AF today but before we get to all that it's time for my favorite segment corrections. It's time to stay, it's time for me to say I'm sorry.

Oh, I made a mistake. Okay, Rita Gera, Joseph Stingle, Sumit Sheff, Paul, Mary Wagner Moritz, Tom Cunningham, Bethany Roberts, Michael, Rebecca Underwood, all of these folks, Amanda, want to challenge your notion of what X-Pat means. Rita Gera says, I'm Portuguese, I'm journalist, living in LA for five years now, working as a correspondent, but I'm not an immigrant. I haven't gone through the immigration process. I don't have immigration status. I'm not looking to permanently migrate here.

I have a work visa that doesn't give me the rights and duties of an immigrant. I'm an expat currently out of my own country, but with family, friends, possessions, bank accounts, still there knowing I'll go back. So when they say expat, that's what they're talking about. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, it was absolutely not a hill I I'm going to die on like, totally

not. And that was just based on my own personal experiences and conversations with friends. And that makes perfect sense to me. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes if a friend wants you to stop saying something, you just do it because it's not, you know, why if it bothers you, I'm not going to say her an argue about. Absolutely. And it was also more for me like the idea of living in a place long term inside a leg there. Yeah. So yeah, that makes perfect sense. And again, really not a hill.

I'm going to die on just based on passing conversations with friends. Yeah, it was just a conversation I had had with a friend before and like me as a white person and her as a person of color, she was just saying like I find the term expat in my personal opinion and my experience to be rooted in privilege and racism. And I was like, cool, well, I'll call myself an immigrant then.

So it was, and then I had read an article about it. And it was just sort of like not something I had done deeper research on. It was just based on like a few articles I'd read and some personal conversations. And this wasn't about you're moving here to be here permanently. This is about when you were Yeah, temporarily in London from Canada when I lived in London Which at the time I thought I was staying there. Okay, so it seems like maybe that's the difference at least that This person's pointing out is that if you're planning on going back you're an expat because your bank accounts You're everything you pay taxes back in the whole place

Etc. You and you're not getting the all the rights and duties that come with being an immigrant I think for some people to you they're not planning on staying. Even if I think sometimes two people who even plan on staying in their adopted country refer to themselves as an expat, I got some feedback from people on Twitter and just some emails about that. And that's totally fine. You know, like, the statement I made last week, again, like, I don't think you can use the word expat that you racist, obviously.

And yeah, it was just a personal choice for you. Just a personal choice for me. And like honestly, it's a label a lot of people use and they're comfortable with that, and that's totally chill. And honestly, good on you for seeing the world and getting out there and experiencing other cultures. That's big and massive importance.

Yeah, that's huge. That's why when I've caught like 12 people on stolen valor that are Trump supporters. Because if they come out and do this Trump shit with this, you know, fuck immigrants and fuck that and fuck that, I guarantee you they've never traveled. It's just the way that it is. You can't have been in the military,

at least traveled in the military. Maybe you joined and you got Dust Duty in Texas or something and never went anywhere. Yeah. But if you've traveled the globe, that is the like so important to travel. That's the antidote to hate, honestly. So I really apologize if I cost any hurt feelings by that, but yeah, again, no worries. Not a hill I'm choosing to die in, not something I strongly believe in. Yeah, I think your intentions were gold. Heather E and Molly Cooper

got on me about the pronunciation of Nevada. It's not Nevada. It's Nevada. Okay. I'm from Nevada and I don't really have an opinion either way. I don't know what I feel that just contributed to this conversation. There you go. Me. Me. I mean mean Brian Alst, it's from Brian Alst, Amanda suggested Wednesday in the daily beans that Obersfeld decision in 2015 was the case that provided her the right as a Canadian to marry her US wife.

That is incorrect. Obersfeld stands for the proposition that states must extend same-sex marriage rights to all persons, the case that defined marriage for federal purposes, including immigration benefits, was Windsor versus United States 2013, where federal law had previously limited definition of marriage between a man and woman. Really? That's what they're saying. I knew about the Windsor case, but for some reason, I thought it was the 2015 decision which allowed Americans to bring their same-sex spouses to the country.

Apparently that was from state to state. Okay. But we can look it up. we can get a correction on corrections. It's happened. Rebecca Underwood says in the daily beans for Wednesday, the flute that you toot, A.G. said she thought AOC was on the judiciary, but AOC is in the house, not the Senate. Did I say that? I'm sorry, because I know that.

But thank you. Mary DeSette said regarding the Southern District of New York, Judge Marraras decision in the Mazar's case, you all mentioned his ruling would constitute precedent. It does not district courts don't set precedent. They are at the bottom of the totem pole. Other courts look only to appellate courts for precedent and Supreme Court. I'm assuming. Keerste Tassel, she says, minor, minor, minor for Amanda. The singer that is awesome with his clapbacks on Twitter is James Blunt, not Josh Groban. Oh, yes. Yes, yes, yes.

And also I've seen him, I'm pretty sure, on the celebrities of reading mean tweets segment that Jimmy Kimmel does. Yes, yes. James Blunt, that's the guy. James Blunt's the guy that gets. Beautiful. Yeah, yeah. Josh Groban is like, you're right. Almost for you.

Yes, yes. Yeah, let's Josh Groban, yeah. Yeah. So. So. So. So. So. Oh, never sweet. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes Watson, they say, in episode the flute that you toot, you all talk about the mandate of heaven. And they want to let us to know a mandate of heaven isn't whether someone will go to heaven. It's the idea that the ruler has been approved by the gods. Okay. Or God. So if you're disapproved, you can still

get in heaven. I'm not partly. But he's no, he's no longer mandated to be the approved ruler by God. Oh, okay. No, that's way less. I don't know why you said that was a lemnity who gives a fuck. I didn't know that that was even a condition of being the president. Apparently, that had Robert. It had been.

Apparently, it has to Pat Robertson. John O'Lourr says on Tuesday's edition of the Daily Beings, you mentioned 67 votes are needed in the Senate to convict on an article of impeachment, articles of impeachment. In fact, article one section three says a vote of 2 thirds of the members present is necessary, which implies two votes to convict on an article of impeachment, articles of impeachment. In fact, article one section three says a vote of two thirds of the members present is necessary, which implies two votes to convict would be sufficient if only three senators showed

up. So 67 would just be if everyone should. Yeah, so we just need to send a bunch of people down there to sit on senators so they can't show up. Sit on them. It's my only defense. I only remembered this because I had heard Linda Monk author of the Bill of Rights, a user's guide mentioned it on another podcast literally minutes before.

So thanks, John O'Lorre. Sarah Martinez, Kirsten Zulfo, Jennifer Bell, Casey Fox, Neil Campbell, all want us to know Moby only, knob touch, Trump. All right. So, we got so much feedback on the M's discussion that we had because apparently we had thought or Mandy had heard that he'd gone around touching Dix at parties touching Rebunus dick on his one day people His one dick and Lessi's got diphthalic terata, which means he's got to name two Moby Dix I learned that from truly a pursuit

I had that question when I was like 10 and I saved that card because I thought two penises was hilarious The genus edition. So anyway, apparently Moby only knob touched Trump at a party. Gotcha. So, there we go. Amazing. John Kenley's and Patrick Wilkin say on Sunday night daily beans, you said, VP replacement is just a majority of the Senate.

It's actually both House and Senate. So both House and Senate have to vote to replace the VP. Luke Weeks, Luke Weeks. I wanted to send this link to explain Prime and also Federal funds to different indices. Liebore is set by banks in a survey. Prime is really Fed funds plus 300 in most cases. So this is basically when I was talking about that whistleblower that came forward in a survey prime is really Fed funds plus 300 in most cases. So this is basically when I was talking about that whistleblower that came forward in a Deutsche Bank case, his son, his dad apparently was investigating some Deutsche Bank investors that were manipulating the live-bore. And I said, live-bore is how we set prime rates, but apparently live-bore is set by banks

in a survey and prime is Fed funds plus 300. Whatever that is. So. But there that is. So. But there it is, that's real. He said I spent 18 years working for a large investment bank and would be happy to help patriots like yourself keep up on the financial stuff. So thank you. Thank you.

Very much. Thank you so much, appreciated. And now I'm sure he'll send us another thing telling me what Fed Funds plus 300 is. I just imagine that movie, you know. The movie 300? Yeah. Richard Dolwisch says, A.G. said,

I'm going to pour one out for my homie referring to Ellsberg. The Ellsberg is not dead, and you usually only pour one out for your homie when they're dead. Gerald, let's see, Gerald lot sent this week's ago when it was fresh, he says, from sketchy stop Wi-Fi must have not gone through. So this is an old correction, I think is what he's saying. Netherlands is not part of the Five Eyes Intel community.

That's Austria, Canada, New Zealand, US and UK. Australia. Australia, Australia. Australia, sorry, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, US and UK. We get tons of good intel from the Dutch, but they're not included in the post-colonial remnant of which the 5i is comprised. Thank you. I thought Dutch was 5i.

Nope. Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Canada. Sorry. You get better shit from Canada than the Dutch. Anyway, those are corrections. If you have any, please head to mullershieroute.com. Click contact and select Corrections and build us a compliment sandwich. We'll get it right eventually. We do have a lot of news to get to, so let's jump in with just the facts.

All right a long time ago in a land far far away. The House Judiciary Committee asked the Department of Justice for all the FBI Interviews or 302s from the Mueller investigation and this week in a court filing from the Justice Department We learned that 17 of 33 of those 302s have been handed over. The 302s the house has received include John Kelly, Kushner, Rosenstein, 7302s from Manifort, Chris Christie, Michael Cohen, he had six 302s, Rick Dearborn, Adam Dillon, Corey Lewandowski, Mary McCord, KT McFarland had five three O2s, Stefan Miller or Stephen Miller, Stefan, Stephen. Rob Porter had two three O2s. Chris Ruddy, Sarah Fuckabee Sanders, Sean Spicey and Sally Yates. The missing three O2s that the DOJ has yet to produce include Bannon, Comey, Eisenberg,

Flynn, Gates, Hicks, McCabe, McGann, Prebis, and Jeff Sessions. Oh, you know, not important ones at all. Yeah, what the hell? Yeah. And the DOG said all the 302s have some redactions. They estimate about 15 to 20% are redacted. Not 15 to 20% of the 302s, but 50 to 20% of the content of all the 302s.

The 302s with Trump advisors, Porter and Dylan are redacted 75% or more, Rob Porter and Dylan. The House agreed that redactions that fall under Grand jury rule 6E could be redacted. So now we'll see how the court responds to the outstanding 302's not yet handed over. This filing was made in conjunction with the hearing that took place Tuesday regarding the house seeking the Grand jury materials from the Mueller probe, and I'll go over that hearing in hot notes because it's a good one. And it's, this is bar that's not turning them over.

Yeah, this department of justice. So they're not turning over Comey and McCabe's then because I imagine it's a good one. And it's, this is bar that's not turning them over. Yeah, this department of justice. So they're not turning over Comey and McCabe's end because I imagine it's, it's relatively exculpatory. Hmm. Yes. Like that word. I just learned it. In fact, remember the judge and the, the judge and the McCabe case gave, uh,

the DOJ to October 15th to either indict McCabe or drop the case or he's going to release the 302s, McCabe's 302s. So that's coming up this Tuesday, that deadline. So that's going to be interesting too. We could see that this week. Yeah, we have a lot of deadlines this week. Go, go, go, yes. Big week.

Crazy news on Friday from the New York Times at Deutsche Bank does not have Trump's tax returns. We all know Deutsche Bank is the only financial institution that was willing to lend Trump money since like the 90s. And this week they told Federal Appeals Court that it does not have Trump's personal tax returns. The case got back to the House Intel. This case goes back to the House Intel Committee and the House Financial Services Committees when they subpoena Deutsche Bank in Capital One. The Federal judge ruled in favor of the House DEMs and Trump filed an appeal with the Department of Justice filing an amicus brief backing the president.

The second Circuit Court of Appeals, Merrick Garland, in charge of that one, is hearing a case, is comprised, but the panel, there's only a three-judge panel for this one, two GWs and a Carter. So two appointees are George W. Bush and one is a Jimmy Carter. Last month, the New York Times and other media outlets asked the second Circuit to unseal a letter from Deutsche Bank that identified two members of the Trump family whose tax returns they did have. And on Thursday, the court rejected the request saying Deutsche Bank told the court that the only tax returns it has are not the presidents. The weird thing about that is that a bunch of current and former bank officials told the New York Times that they do have

portions of Trump's personal tax and corporate returns that they collected in 2011 when they took Trump on as a client and needed the returns to approve a series of loans to Trump in early 2012 for properties in Durral and Chicago. Since then, they have lent Trump $170 million for his downtown DC hotel and by the time he was sworn into office, he owed Deutsche Bank more than $300 million. So Deutsche Bank is saying, we offered him $300 million without seeing his tax returns. We don't have them. So the question here is, why don't they have the tax returns? Did they destroy them? Did they return them to Trump?

Right. What happened? Or did they truly just continue their streak of reckless practices? And yeah, reckless lending and not actually have required to see the tax returns So maybe they had some dealers like trust me. You don't want to see my tax return Yeah, or just fill out these financial documents that show what I made and what I spent and what my shits worth without any proof Right kind of like those no interest no income loans that we're happening during the before the housing crisis With the predatory lending there There's no income loans that were happening during the before the housing crisis with the

predatory lending there. The way things operate in the upper echelons of society and the things that people are able to get away with based on just legacy and name and the sort of the flip side of that, if poor people, like it's expensive to be poor and you have to sell your soul to get to survive. Do you have to prove everything about yourself every single step of the way that you want? Exactly. Any sort of assistance.

So it's so frustrating. Love and opportunity. That's why I like the DMV. It's a great equalizer. Everyone's missing. You have to fucking go. You hang out in the Hollywood DMV. There's like famous people who just don't even want a fuck of beer.

You can't send your assistant to the DMV and I love it. Every time I drive past the DMV, the one that's closest to my house in San Diego, I'm like, you poor unfortunate soul. There's always a lie, like wrapped around the block at like eight o'clock in the morning. Yeah, don't go to that one, go to the alcohol. Oh, really?

Get an appointment, you walk right in, right up. Also PSA everyone, get your real ID because that's gonna be required starting, I think, October of next year it is. Thank you, Jordan, you're welcome. It's required for travel. Oh! In California, you mean? Yeah, yes. Well, I think October of next year it is. Thank you, Jordan, you're welcome. It's required for travel. Oh, in California, you mean? Yeah, well, I thought you were my provoting.

I was like, no, we don't have to. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. It's literally called real ID. And it's like a new form of identification that everybody is required to get. Yes, like a curse. Flying, you have to have like a new style license. That would probably work too.

Yeah, I think a passport is fine. Better work. But you no longer will be able to just use your driver's license trying to get on a plane. Unless it's the me- Unless it's the driver's license, which falls under the real ID in the category. Exactly. Unless you're rich. And then you don't probably need it to travel. To travel on your private jet. Yeah. Also this week, the Senate Intel Committee, chaired by Republican Richard

Burr, released a sweeping bipartisan report on the Russian efforts to elect Donald Trump using social media during the 2016 election, which deals a blow to current Trumpian efforts to push a conspiracy theory that Russia had nothing to do with the election interference. That's part of what he was asking Ukraine to do in exchange for reinstituting the U.S. military aid and investigating Joe Biden to get Zelensky to publicly question the findings of literally everyone everywhere that Russia interfered in our elections. In our last week's interview with Asha Rangapo, we talked about that and how that is just basically Black propaganda.

Not to mention, we now have that information about the Oval Office meeting with Lavrov and Kislyak where Trump divulged Israeli intelligence to Russians about ISIS in Syria, which is now relevant, where Trump also acknowledged Russia interfered in our elections, but said it didn't bother him because America does it all the time. So there's new report corroborates past findings by researchers, journalists, and the intelligence community, and the Senate committees that the IRA troll farm, the international, what is it called? The Russian, what is the IRA stand for?

Internet research agency. Thank you. Troll farm sought to influence the 2016 election by Harmon Clinton and supporting Trump at the direction of the Kremlin. A high up Putin. So this is basically a Republican back report from a co-equal branch of government again saying Russia did it. It comes with the sign off from the full Senate Intelligence Committee including assholes like Roy Roy Blunt, Jr. and John Corne, who have said recently that Trump was only joking when he questioned Russian meddling or asked Ukraine and China to investigate the Biden's. So it seems like the Republican senators on this Intel committee that no Russia interfered in our elections or any Russian senator who knows Russia interferes in our elections, they're go to defense for Trump is that he's only joking. Yeah, that is. They said that he's only joking. Mm-hmm.

Yeah, that is. They said that time and time again. I think I've seen like Jim Jordan say that. Yeah, all of his super classic defenders. Yeah. And it's obviously, I can't imagine they would, like how can you stand by that? That that's really gonna be our standard

of interpreting people's intent, is just to arbitrarily decide that they're joking or not. Yeah. The president's words matter. Yes, no. Not anymore. They don't.

It's such an insult to people's intelligence. Yes. And speaking of social media influence, I know exactly what you're going to say. 2020 Democratic candidate Elizabeth Warren trolled so hard Zuckerberg this week. She ran a fake ad on Facebook saying Zuckerberg has endorsed Trump for president. Then down in the ad she says, by the way, this is a lie.

But because of Facebook's new rules about what people can say in political ads on their platform, I'm allowed to flat out lie to you. Wow. Facebook came back and said, hey, if Warren wants to run lies, she's allowed to do that. Oh my God, I did not to flat out lie to you. Wow. Facebook came back and said, hey, if Warren wants to run lies, she's allowed to do that. Oh my God, I did not see that.

Yeah. Amazing. I'm so fucking mad at Mark Zuckerberg. Yeah, he met in the Oval Office privately with Trump. Yeah. And then there are terms of service changed where they allow political ads to be dishonest. They also have, I can't remember her name,

but there's someone who's like, I'm pulling that up. Yeah, head of global public policy or at least on the global public policy team who was literally like a senior Republican strategist who worked with Giuliani. Like you can't make this shit up. Yep, Jennifer Cohen tweeted it, it cone tweeted it and she tweets a lot so I'm going to find it really quick. Okay, here it is.

Chief Digital Strategist for National Republican Senatorial Committee, August 2009 to March 2011. Harboth is Facebook's head of global elections policy. She literally worked for Rudy Giuliani. I can't make this up. That was from Brandon Friedman. Yeah. Yeah, the top of Facebook, there are so many Republican operatives

and right-wing operatives. And I just love that Elizabeth Warren was like, all right, here's a fake ad, Zuckerberg endorses Trump for president, and then says, by the way, this is a total lie. And by the way, Facebook lets me make this. I just absolutely love it. It's just, I think it's probably one of the best way

to combat false political advertisements on Facebook is by putting one out there and alerting people to it. Yeah. And then maybe that people who see that ad will think twice when they see other political ads. Right. Yeah, I just absolutely thought that was brilliant troll. It's great.

That is, and luckily Democrats who I imagine, or who do you think she was targeting with that ad? I wonder, everybody maybe? Facebook users, yeah. Yeah, I guess, if it were just Democrats, the Democrats actually read things. Yeah, so they will see the fine print underneath. That says that that was not an actual claim she was making.

But effectively kind of is though, Congressional statement and Democrats read things. We'll go back and look at the 2016 primary to rehash that argument. But yeah, no, I know you're right. And it's it's really brilliant. What's frustrating is that Zuckerberg has said, oh, we'll let voters decide. I hated that statement. I hate it. You're going to let voters decide what ads you put in front of them are real or not. Yeah. That's the problem. They'll be able to trust

you as a platform. Yeah. Because TV, on TV, you aren't allowed to put false ads on television. That's against the rules. Right. So it's just going to be a matter of one of, I mean, the FEC, I guess, effectively sort of legislates with Facebook and mine and platforms like that and mine because I guarantee, I can't say that. I think really hard. I think really hard that this is not going to be okay over time. Yeah, this will have to change, especially if we vote and get some DEMs in office who can actually make laws that regulate this issue.

Right, because you put money behind Facebook ads. So how can you, how can you use your campaign funds to finance ads that are fraudulent? And in 2016, they got caught with Russians putting ads in there, paying with rubles. And we're like, oh, sorry. We'll try to fix it. And now this is their solution.

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the OG fixer, is gonna be brought back to New York for more proper with the state prosecutors, which could result in Cohen testifying before the grand jury. Merry Christmas, Cohen. Yeah, it's all you wanted. This will be the third time he's met with prosecutors, and it said that will happen this month in October.

This is according to law enforcement official with knowledge of the meetings. This is part of the Manhattan District Attorney's side, Vance's investigation and the meeting will take place with Vance's general counsel in the head of Economic Crimes Bureau. We at Muller She wrote, noted that letters about this case have been co-signed by Vance and the major economic crimes unit. And that's significant because the economic crimes bureau specializes in prosecution relating to securities, commodities, investment fraud, mortgage fraud, financial institution fraud, commercial, bribery, kickbacks, bank fraud, structured investment schemes, internet

fraud, international money laundering, and terror financing. On its face, this particular case is about whether the Trump Organization violated New York State law when it falsified its records and describing the reimbursement to Cohen for the hush money payments to Karen McDougal and Stormy Daniels. Vance has also asked for eight years of Trump's tax records so they can establish definitive proof of whether the money, how the money has been allocated, where it's gone. And this week, a judge rejected the president's argument that he's immune from criminal prosecution. That was Judge Marrero.

He dismissed Trump's lawsuit to block Vance's subpoena. In Marrero, dismissed Trump's case Monday, though within minutes Trump appealed to the second circuit. And there's a temporary stay, so Trump doesn't have to hand over his taxes pending the appeal. This ruling, if it goes to SCOTUS, would be the first time SCOTUS would rule whether a president could be investigated for a crime while in office uh... and the constitution doesn't explicitly say he can or cannot uh... so this is a precedent set in case

according to cnn coen is not looking to trade for a lighter sentence he's meeting with vances office without any limitations uh... and if trump is indicted in new york state that would likely be used as proof in an impeachment trial and new york state does not fall under the restrictions of the Office of Legal Counsel memo that disallows the indictment of a sitting president.

All right, so it would override that LLC memo. It would. Finally, fuck. Yeah, if they decide that way. And I think Hill, Appeal, and Bonk are appeal to Scotus are both as well in this case. And speaking of impeachment, Romney appears to be taking the temperature of fellow Republican

senators on impeachment and removal. I think our longest standing unanswered beans revolves around the idea that Romney would flip enough senators to remove Trump if he was impeached in the House. And something of note in the last episode, and this came up in the corrections I spoke about needing 67 senators to vote, that's not exactly true as we were corrected in the beginning. It's two thirds of the senators that are there, so we just have to show up and sit on the senators. Maybe we can run a special at the cracker barrel that day. We were 20 Republican senators out of the building. We might have a better chance.

Our Applebee's are chileys. Something. Shlotsies. You wear it enough flair. Yeah, but we would, you know, if fewer people shut up, we would have a better chance of the white. If the white horse prophecy does not come to pass. I got a correction on the white horse prophecy.

Oh good, I can make it quick. Cool. So I don't know if she's comfortable with me using her name. So I will only divulge that she is a sheep and continue. So she says that I disagree that it's defunct the white horse prophecy prophecy. And that people don't believe it. It may not be a teaching that the church leaders talk about, but I heard it quoted enough times in Sunday school for the July celebrations, damn near every day of the 2012 Romney versus Obama election,

seminary, and for my mother-in-law, that I will fight to the death about it not being a mainstream belief. Believing Mormons will tell you it's not an underlying belief because it, oh, sorry, okay, that sentence doesn't make sense. Anyway, she says she believes it's characterized as Mormon folklore, but that essentially it seems to be like a pretty prevalent theory. Why did practicing Mormons not want me to think it's because I think they'll think that they're crazy. I think that's what she was getting out with a sentence.

Oh, it's not all the rest of it. It's this. This is probably one of the more sane prophecies that I heard in the Mormon. We don't teach that. It's not like a mainstream teaching, but like, by the scenes, everyone still looks at it. Yeah, so she's an ex-mormon, I'm pretty sure.

Well, she says, as the Mormon who told you about the White Horse prophecy, that was her prophecy. All right. Yeah, and I believe she's ex-mormon, but I don't think I saw that first. Sorry if I'm totally fucking up your life right now. Well, interesting.

If you are Mormon or ex-mormon or Jack Mormon, I would love to hear what you have to say about the White Horse Prophecy. Is it still thing? Is it still thing? Is it still thing? Yeah, you're also talking about it? Yeah, what happened?

What's up? What's up? What's the praying of it? Was it used in 2012? It's the deal. In the Romney election? Is it defunct? Why? It's bar going to go to war with Mormons and they're going to be like, why are you ashamed

of the White Horse prophecy? If that is in fact why you don't want it to be a mainstream and not folklore, I really want to know. No judgment, honestly. Yeah, totally. So Romney, he's actually taking the temperature of other Republican senators. And here's an interesting story. i found buried in the news this week venezuela could lose sit-go to ross neft unless the u.s treasurer and steve

intervene so basically maduro the sanctioned leader of venezuela barrowed one point five billion dollars uh... from russia ross neft in bonds and he has a payment of over nine hundred million do this month if it if he doesn't pay, Ross Neft can collect on the debt because Maduro put 49.9% of the shares up as collateral for the loan from Russia. Now the US and 56 other countries recognize Guaidó as the leader of Venezuela, not Maduro, but apparently Guaidó made a $71 million payment on the debt and interest payment, and many believe that payment legitimized the loan contract between Maduro and Russia But a source close to the company's case says that making an interest payment doesn't concede the legality of the debt and that making certain payments

To avoid default does not waive the legal claim that the transfer was fraudulent Sit-go as a 110-year-old company bought by Venezuela in 1986 and is viewed by many as the key back into US markets once the Treasury listed sanctions. The transfer of ownership from Venezuela to Rosneft would be triggered by a default on that $913 million payment that is coming due on October 27th. The bondholders would have the right to seize 50.1% of the shares of Citgo thanks to a special license to circumvent the US sanctions issued by Steve that allow bondholders to have a recourse of Maduro defaults. While Maduro is not the recognized president anymore, but the US Treasury would have to intervene to prevent the majority of the shares to be handed over to Ross Neft by Maduro,

who has tried to sell sick go several times in the past. If the US Treasury allows the default, I'd be very interested to see what kind of money came from Ross Neft or Maduro to the Treasury, Steve, or personally or otherwise. So look for discussions on it in that code word classified nice system in the White House. But yeah, Venezuela is about to list it go to Ross Neft. Damn. Bummer. Yeah, that is a bummer.

And there's a major tie between the Mueller probe and the Ukraine clown posse. You'll be surprised to hear who it is. Jordan has that for us in hot notes. And Shep Smith has left Fox News, according to some, he had just about had enough of it last month after trying and vain sometimes to make sure the accurate information was getting on Fox News. Okay. Now is the straw that breaks the camel's back? Yeah.

Last year, he told a Time Magazine reporter, quote, I wonder if I stopped delivering the facts what would go in its place in this place that is the most watched, most listened and most trusted. I don't know. But sometime in September, according to a well-placed source, he went to Fox News Management and asked to be let out of his contract because of infighting with other show hosts and was getting to be too much for him and Fox wasn't backing him. For example, on September 8, Tucker Carlson mocked Shepp for standing up for Andrew Napolitano

after the judge was called a fool by one of Tucker's guests. The network failed to support Shep on that and in many other instances of fifth-gradery, I guess. Executives tried to get him to stay, but on Friday he announced his departure bluntly on the air, and then quickly and quietly left, clearly emotional because he'd been there for over 20 years. As Jen Kirkman said on Twitter, welcome to podcasting Shep. Something odd about the departure that sticks in my crawl, Murdoch met with Bill Barr the day before Shepard left, or Shep, I don't know if his name is Shepard, Shep Smith left.

Huh. I don't know if that was some sort of weird state run journalism push out. Right. But it seems to know from sources that Shep's been wanting to leave for a while. Yeah, I could definitely see him just wanting to leave on his own accord, but I could also

see someone behind the scenes that's politically motivated trying to get him out. He may have also, yeah, he may have left because he heard word that he was going to be pushed out. Yeah, or you can simultaneously hate your job at Fox because there's a bunch of crazy liars and their children, and somebody has somebody pushes you out. Because you're one of the only voices of semi-reason on that network. Or maybe somewhere in the middle,

people that are Trump sympathizers were advising the people on the board that were interacting with him and his complaints about his co-hosts and on other shows to just stay steadfast and not support him at all in his criticisms. Yeah, I don't think those things are mutually exclusive. Yeah, I won't pretend to know a lot about Shep Smith, but the only thing I do know about him

is that when I flip through the channels and I land on Fox News, which I occasionally watch, just as I browse around here with the other guy. Here at the other side is saying, he is one of the only people who doesn't make me want to gouge my eyeballs out. Yeah, that's true. I mean, he's one of the one.

Chris Wallace, yeah, him and Chris Wallace, Judge Napolitano now is is this and they're you know Not on the Trump train. Yeah, basically mm-hmm. Yeah, and like You know, it's I wonder what he's gonna do now, right? podcasting yeah Come be on the show not mine, but you know make your own I have becomes over to CNN That would be interesting that would be really interesting dude That would be smart though of CNN and I'm probably not MSNBC They're just way too far to the left

But someone like CNN trying to create some sort of appeal to people that are moderate We're not other network former Fox News commentators on CNN. They're not right there. Yeah, yeah Interesting All right, we'll be right back with hot notes and the fantasy indictment league is loot. Hey G here, and as I'm sure you're aware, resisting Trump is my passion, but sometimes the onslaught of insane news is too much, and I need some meantime, I need a break, and I have a lot of self-care rituals, but one of my favorites, I get into bath and I play this puzzle game.

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You download free at the Apple App Store in Google Play. You download free at the Apple App Store or Google Play. That's Friends Without the R. Best Fiends. Alright, welcome back. Hot Notes. Hey, welcome back today in Hot Notes. I'm going to cover the case about Moller's Grand Jury materials that could determine whether the House vote is needed to move forward with impeachment. But first, Jordan, you have a story about another way the current Ukraine scandal is tied to Mueller. Yeah. This is kind of a flashback. Some of this information and stuff that sort of got skipped over, I think, without the context of all this corruption that's going on with Ukraine.

But it's pretty crazy. So today, my hot note is about a classified State Department assessment from 2018 that concluded that Ukraine's last prosecutor general, LeChenko, allowed for Kalimnick to escape from Ukraine to Moscow after the U.S. had charged him with obstruction of justice. So this basically made it so it was no longer possible for the U.S. to get him and get him in for questioning and more importantly, right for like trial ultimately. This assessment was made by interviewing Ukrainian officials and an organization called Naboo, which stands for the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine. Naboo, Naboo. They said that not only did Blutsenko allow Kalimnik to escape, They said that not only did Bluttsenko allow Kalimnik to escape, he also helped and multiple investigations into Paul Manafort.

So he was a huge ally to the Trump campaign. As a result, we all go, yeah. As a result, it is now being suggested that the House expand its investigation of Ukraine gate to this fleeing of Kalimnik, as well as the throding of those investigations into Manafort as it's becoming increasingly clear that the Trump campaign has been soliciting help from Ukrainian officials for quite some time now for their own personal gain, and like you said, AG to absolutely no benefit of the American people. Since Manafort was deemed a non-credible witness, Kalimnik was potentially the only other person

who Mueller could have gotten answers from regarding the sharing of campaign polling data that was shared by Manafort and passed on ultimately to Oleg Derepaska. So all of this was happening under President Poroshenko, and the State Department noted that during this time Poroshenko was awaiting military aid from Trump. Similarly to Howe Zelensky, we now know is waiting on the waiting military aid from Trump when he was being asked to do him solids. And then in May 2018, three US senators

actually wrote a letter to Litsenko, he was the former prosecutor general, expressing concern about his manipulations of the investigations. The letter said, we are writing to express great concern about reports that your office has taken steps to impede cooperation with the United States special counsel Robert Mueller. This reported refusal to cooperate with the Mueller probe also sends a worrying signal to the Ukrainian people as well as an international community." And then this is new to me. So during a meeting in January with Giuliani, let's

Sanko apparently said that he was going to direct his office to take steps to reopen up those hundred Biden investigations. So this is just more quid pro quo stuff with Giuliani it's looking like. And it's very, I think it's frustrating probably to hear, it's frustrating for me personally to hear about all this in the context of Ukraine gate because it's like, they're efforts to obstruct justice during the molar probe were successful enough that this sort of flew under the radar when it really would have been very illuminating and Ukraine gate may have been able to sort of kick off all the way back then.

And we wouldn't have had to wait until now. But that's where we're at. Wow. Thanks, Jordan. Yeah, thanks for that reporting. Also, this just in across my desk, unconfirmed disputed report that you have any progoation is dead.

Whoa. Following a plane crash. Whoa. In the DRC. It's all in Russian. I'll have to translate it and we'll get back. And we'll get more to you in tomorrow's daily beans or Tuesday's daily beans.

But that is interesting. He and his companies provided significant funding to the agency that allegedly used the IRA. That's progoation. Yeah. That's that's pergusion Yeah, and apparently he's reportedly dead, but there are disputes still unconfirmed Still unconfirmed apparently it happened on the 11th of October Interesting. Yeah, good arguments against pergusion's death all in Russian. I'm gonna have to look

I'm gonna have to look into this more. It's all in Russian and get back to you guys. But so that is unsourced, unconfirmed, and there are good arguments against it, but I just wanted to bring that up because it kind of goes back and ties into, you know, the internet research agency and all that. So let's see here Tuesday,

there was a major hearing in front of Judge Barrel Howell in the case filed by the House Judiciary to obtain the Grand Jury Materials from the investigation. Do you remember this? This is when Nadler filed to the court and says, we want the Grand Jury Materials using our full article one and powers, including and up to impeachment. That's when I thought the impeachment inquiry officially began. This was well before Nancy Pelosi announced it, though it made her little public announcement, or big public announcement, I should say. Dems have reason to believe that the grand jury materials will show that Trump lied to Mueller when he said he was unaware of the timing of WikiLeaks dumps

of the Russian hack materials from the DNC, D. TRIPLEC, and PEDESTA. The proof of that lie, and perhaps others, would play significantly in the current impeachment inquiry being conducted by House Intelligence Foreign Affairs and Oversight. Lawyers from the Justice Department argued Tuesday to deny the House judiciary request for the grand jury materials, saying that despite legal rulings during the impeachment inquiry into Nixon, the courts in 1974 were wrong to have given Congress the Siricca Road Map and grand jury materials. Judge Hall responded to that assertion by saying, okay, wow. As I said, the department is taking extraordinary positions in this case is what she said. And as we know, Trump is arguing the Manhattan DA, in that case, that a president can't

be investigated or prosecuted under criminal law. And in a Mazar's appeal case this week, a second-circuit panel disagreed to one, but the dissenter in that case, Judge Rao, a Trump appointee, said that a president can't be subject to criminal investigations because we have impeachment. And now, the Trump camp backed by the Department of Justice is saying that a president can't be subject to criminal investigations because we have impeachment. And now the Trump camp backed by the Department of Justice is saying that a president can't be impeached either because it's an illegitimate impeachment inquiry. But in this case about the grand jury materials, Judge Howe seemed to do like one, two-hour-long I-roll the entire time the Trump lawyer was there.

Shapiro is her name and argued Trump's position. How called the stance that Nixon was decided in correctly and Judge Sarekka was wrong, one of several extreme arguments in her case. How was a 2010 Obama appointee? And she pressed Shapiro on whether the Department of Justice now viewed Sarekka's landmark ruling as wrongly decided when he ruled to transfer a sealed report in Grand jury evidence to the House investigators who prepared Nixon's articles of impeachment. The Sirica Road map, as it's become, as it's come to be known, gave Congress evidence that Nixon was guilty of multiple criminal felonies for the break-in and subsequent cover-up of Watergate. The evidence was so damning that Nixon resigned before he could be impeached. And the Nixon case was appealed and Nixon lost because the court found the House impeachment

investigation and Senate trial to qualify under an exemption that allows prosecutors to share information preliminary to or in connection with a judicial proceeding. And in this request from the Mueller Grand Jury Materials, House counsel Doug Letter asked Judge Howell to order the release of the redacted portions of the Mueller report and the grand jury materials and the grand jury witness statements to Congress under the judicial proceeding exception just as it had been done by Sirrica during Watergate and as appellate by the appellate court afterwards. But the Justice Department argues that in a decision this year, the D.C. appellate court basically changed grand jury secrecy requirements in a way that would exclude impeachment inquiries.

That was the case we talked about, McKeever versus Bar, that struck down one factor relied upon by Sirica in finding that contraire to his 1974 ruling judges have no inherent authority to release grand jury materials. But when the public interest outweighs the need for secrecy, however, it does. And this is even a footnote. And maybe Shapiro and Trump and the Department of Justice missed this footnote. That decision carried a footnote, the McKeever Bar decision, carried a footnote that's still qualified, that says that agreed with Sareka specifically named Sareka and said that is correct. What Sarika did was correct because impeachment still qualifies

as a judicial proceeding. So the case that Trump is citing has a footnote in it that says Sarika did it right. Yeah, what a fucking dumbass. Yeah. And that makes Trump's argument totally moot. So how did not say how or when she would rule but the writing is on the wall, if you ask me,

with her, okay, wow. I'm retort. Okay, wow. She ordered Department of Justice lawyers to explain by Friday why prosecutors aren't sharing grand jury materials under another exception that allows prosecutors to give federal or foreign officials information about grave hostile acts of a foreign power or clandestine intelligence gathering. She also ordered the Department of Justice to disclose how many, disclose how many and

which of the 302s it pledged to hand over. That's the story we opened with. At the top of the show, she wanted to know the legal basis for refusing to hand over all the 302's of witnesses that did not appear before the grand jury as they are not protected by grand jury secrecy rules. And as we reported at the top of the show, the Department of Justice has handed 17 of the 33302's over that were asked for. And so she said, I need to know by Friday why you haven't handed them all over. She didn't ask about their redactions, but a lot of them had redactions, and two from Dylan and Rob Porter were 75% redacted.

And those are about conversations with the president. That's not protected under grand jury secrecy. This case started before the Ukraine scandal broke and Pelosi announced an official impeachment inquiry. And Doug Letter told the judge that Pelosi's impeachment was not limited to Ukraine, but included an umbrella of pending investigations ongoing by six different committees, which she was careful to say in her announcement, if you remember, she did mention that. Pelosi did. And the letter said that Pelosi supports, or Doug Letter said that Pelosi supports his argument for the Umbrella statement that it could go well beyond Ukraine.

If how rules that the grand jury materials must be handed over, which I believe she will, she is thereby saying that the materials are being handed over because impeachment is a judicial proceeding, just like it's said in McKeever and just like it's said in Nixon, that ruling would, if so facto, verify that there is in fact a legitimate impeachment on underway. I believe this is one of the most important cases in our era, because it not only would get the grand jury materials to Congress that could show Trump lied to prosecutors and committed other criminal felonies, not that federal crimes are needed to impeach, but that would certainly bolster the case for impeachment, especially in the Senate. But it could lead

to Trump's resignation and knowing Republican senators can't hold the line any longer if there are actual crimes. And it would legitimize the impeachment, thereby removing Trump's last argument for not cooperating. Meaning any stonewalling from after that would definitely be obstruction of Congress. It will also shore up all other cases in the court right now, relying on Article 1 powers that effectively turn the House into a grand jury. So I'm hoping she rules this week.

But man, if we could get this absolutely historical ruling and Rudy were arrested and Trump were indicted in New York, there'd be like no way out. So if anyone tries to tell you Mueller has nothing to do with this and he failed, you can remind them that none of this would be possible without him, his grand jury materials and the work of his team. It also just blows my mind. It's like, who is the report for then? If you're gonna continue to have so many redactions

for all the people that need to see the unredacted parts to make an accurate judgment on him and his character in the totality of all of this evidence, as Mueller says. They would argue just Mueller. Right. Right. Uh. Hey, don't, don't, don't.

She threw hands into the air. because he can't indict a president. Congress has to have the right to impeach. They have to have access to the evidence, which is why they gave it over in Nixon, why in the McKeev versus Bar ruling, they said, yeah, judges don't have inherent power to hand over grand jury materials, except in stuff like Sarika when there's an impeachment, because impeachment is a judicial proceeding. It's been held up. It's never been gone against.

And there's no reason for Judge Braille how to rule against this. I think she'll rule for it. There probably will be an appeal. We could hear in the Supreme Court this case again, but Scotus would have to uphold this because it's noted in so many previous cases, even from the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court just ruled on this McEver bar thing where they said Sirica did the right thing. And this is exactly what they're trying to do here.

So it's just, there's just no way out. I think he's just trying to run out the clock. Are you guys ready for sabotage? Yes. All right, Kalluti Rudy is now the target of an investigation by the office he used to run, the Southern District of New York, and likely by a unit headed by a former Mueller prosecutor. Rudy is being investigated for violations of the Foreign Agents Registration Act, for

lobbying on behalf of Ukraine without registering with the Department of Justice specifically when he got information from Fertash who was likely paying him through a shell company called Fraud Guarantee set up by Parnis and Fruiman and disseminated that stuff he got from Fertash to American journalists like Solomon and on TV news networks like Fox. That's fucking illegal. And the brand new shiny fair enforcement unit set up in the Department of Justice and headed by Brandon Van grack is probably investigating it Van grac was formerly of Mueller's team and that's not being reported

Those are just my beans that it's being looked at by by van grack's fairer unit in the Department of Justice And it's justice porn for me to think that the Southern District of New York which Rudy used to, and the fairer unit headed by a former Molytee member could bring him down. Rudy has said he's not being, he's not been contacted or interviewed, like that's a good thing. He must not remember much from his days heading up the Southern District of New York, because if you're not being interviewed, you're the fucking target. So that's the sabotage for this week. Fantastic.

Are you ready for the fantasy indictment, League? Yeah. I'm going to be a target! No way, this is'm gonna be a candidate! No, it is gonna be okay. I'm gonna be a candidate! I'm gonna be a candidate! I'm gonna be a candidate!

I'm gonna be a candidate! I'm gonna be a candidate! Oh, that can't. It's gonna be okay. Just calm down. I can't calm down. I'm gonna be a candidate! I get to go first today.

I'm so excited about that. And if you had a Rando Igor, or either Parnas or Fruiman by name, or Korea, or Cucushkin by name or Korea or Kokushkin by name. Give yourself a point and congratulations. They were indicted and three of them were arrested. I think Korea is still at large. And if you had four randos, you're going to get four points.

But give yourself a point piece for you if you had an Igor or any other randos. More in Monday morning's daily beans, we go over that arrest and that indictment really in depth. So check out the daily beans, our sister podcast that comes out Monday Morning, October 14th. So you'll get to hear that. I get to go first, I'm gonna go with Rudy Giuliani. Nice. Saw that one coming, did ya?

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super girl on the CW and my favorites, although probably not as relevant anymore, hiding out and pretty in pink. Mr. John Cryer, John, thanks for being on Mueller, she wrote. Oh, hey, I'm glad to be here. I'm so glad you're here. I've been following you on Twitter for a while now, and I was interested in getting your opinion on a couple of things today.

First, you and I had chatted a bit before the interview about House Democrats looting the scope of impeachment and putting all their eggs in the Ukraine basket, as you said. And we know Pelosi has said she wants to focus solely on the Ukraine issue, despite knowing that there are other calls hidden in that code word classified system, like with Putin and Mohammed bin Salman, and not to mention the entire Mueller investigation, a monument's violation, abuses of power, like when he sort of pressured the Postmaster General to double Bezos' shipping fees because he owns the Washington Post, and then of course, tax and finance felonies.

But I was wondering how you feel about keeping the focus really narrow and on Ukraine. I've been up to minds, and I've actually been lucky enough to have some communications with some people in Congress about this, mostly because I just rant all the time on Twitter, and I've been lucky enough to connect with some of them. I understand the logic of keeping it as simple as possible. Clearly, the Ukraine situation clearly, the Ukraine situation is a fairly simple, egregious abuse of power as egregious abuses of power go. Although, by the way, it seems like more levels of it are unfolding as we speak. You know, we've seen Parnas and Phruman arrested and Giuliani is now under investigation, although it's not technically for the Ukraine situation, at least it's not clear if it's that yet.

So there appear to be, this is a flower that's unfolding as we're speaking. It is. It is. So I have mixed feelings about it because it's gaining levels. If the idea was to keep it simple, this appears to be gaining levels of complication by the minute. And I'm also one of those people who's been raging since May of 2017 that, you know, just asking James Comey to, you know, to let Michael Flynn go, that's an abuse of power that is an impeachable offense. That is when he should have been impeached, frankly. You know, after James Comey testified, the impeachment should have begun then. So I understand why a lot of people in Congress have sort of lost heart to some degree in

terms of the public being able to keep the thread and the public being able to understand, you know, all these things that Trump seems to be doing. But I've always felt that, you know, all those things have to matter too. You know, the Mueller report is, you know, those, there are five indictable cases of obstruction of justice in there. You know, even one of them should have had him removed from office.

You know, so that can't not mean anything. Yeah, no, I agree with you 100%. And, you know, we also have to remember, while half of this Ukraine scandal, at least apart that Pelosi seems to be focusing on is the direct ask or actually bribery to get Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden and Joe Biden's son. The other half of this is based on trying to get them to get on the propaganda wagon of saying that the 2016 election was not hacked by Russia,

but rather Ukraine with the help of the Democrats, that whole conspiracy theory funded by Fertosh. And so they're inextricably linked. And I'm of two minds too. rather Ukraine with the help of the Democrats, that whole conspiracy theory funded by Fertash. And so they're inextricably linked. And I'm of two minds too. I'm with you on this because I feel like you, if you're going to make one of the articles of impeachment obstruction of Congress

with all the stonewalling in the Ukraine situation, how can you leave out those at least five purely obvious criminal obstruction of justice felonies that were uncovered by Mueller. It seems hard and if not impossible to separate, but maybe they make the articles of impeachment more complex, but keep the public message simple. I'm not sure. Yeah, I, as I said, I get the conundrum

that people in Congress are facing because obviously the Mueller report came out and it was damning, but because Bill Barr said what he said, the impact of it was dampened greatly. And I really thought at the time that that would totally, you know, bite them in the ass, that now it would look like a cover- up and people would just rise up in rage right away. And that did not occur. So I can see why Congress people are unsure what will resonate with the public. And interestingly, in talking with them, there's still a fair

amount of confusion amongst them as well. And this doesn't provoke a lot of confidence, but they don't know exactly how to handle it. At this point, it's such a blizzard of wrongdoing that nobody knows exactly what to do. And if you go back in history, obviously, you read the articles of impeachment that were against Andrew Johnson. And there's everything in the kitchen sink in there. I don't know how they possibly limited the debate on that.

I don't know how they handled it because there's a lot. Yeah, and they might have had different attention spans at that point in our history as well. Yes, perhaps. And that's not saying that it's worse or better now. It's just that we are inundated with so much data on an hourly basis that that's just how we operate.

I think the blizzard of wrongdoing could be by design for that very reason, but my argument for impeachment was always that it's Congress's duty. If you don't impeach him for this, who's impeachable? It was a veteran who signed up and didn't have bone spurs and fought for their constitution. That was my whole argument was that, you know, this is your constitutional duty. And I'm wondering if it undermines that constitutional duty or slip sides it in some way by not putting everything he's impeachable for in those articles. But I can also see, like you said, the benefits of not doing that. Yeah, this is such an unprecedented situation,

at least in the modern era. I don't know if the T-Pot dome situation, I don't know if that freaked everybody out, the same moment. But yeah, it's testing the institutions, and so far, they don't know how to handle it. I mean, what we've got is basically a wannabe mobster in the White House who's, you know, who's who's testing

this every possible way. And so far, you know, our system wasn't built for that. Yeah, and I'm with you on that. I think we have to attack the autocracy now because the next fascist might not be this stupid. Yes. Oh my gosh. Thank goodness He's so dumb and you know and contradicts himself and you know, you know When you talk with supporters of his most of them are still supporters because they're not paying attention. They're sort of ignoring are still supporters because they're not paying attention. They're sort of ignoring. They find ways to be in denial of huge amounts of information. But you're right. Somebody is going to do this and realize that Bill Barr has revealed to us that having an attorney general who's willing to completely mislead the public and is willing to abet your more ridiculous activities, I didn't realize that I can't say that before this, I realized that having

somebody in that position was so powerful. Yeah, no, that's real. In fact, a lot of people go after Mueller for missing the boat, but I think that his missing the boat had a lot to do with Rod Rosenstein forming his narrow narrow lane and saying he'll land the plane and then also Bill Barr's release of his findings, which I think are thorough and incredible and no different from these Ukraine findings. I mean, they're basically the same. It's just a different country. And along those lines, there have been benefits that we've seen from the narrowing of the scope of the Ukraine impeachment

scandal or the impeachment inquiry that's going on here not that impeachment is a scandal, but Ukraine definitely is especially for the press and the public for so for example in a one-on-one interview with Secretary of State Mike Pompeo after his appearance at some religious freedom bullshit conference Nashville There was a Nashville report our tax dollars pay for that shit that drives me nuts. Oh, and that anybody in this government talks about religious freedom and yet stands behind the Muslim ban.

Yes, and I know they've changed it too. And no, no, it's just countries now that just happen to mostly be majority Muslim countries. Yeah, whatever, fuck you. It's a Muslim ban. It's what he called it the whole time. And you don't get to claim your in favor of religious freedom when you do that.

And we'll get to religious freedom in a minute with the attorney general wrapped up in that. But anyway, this Nashville reporter talking about the benefits of the narrow scope, this Nashville reporter, local reporter, NBC affiliate Nancy Amons was able to ask very pointed questions in that one-on-one of Pompeo that he was just unable to answer. And I think that that's one of the goals of impeachment is not obviously not just the congressional article

one powers and duty to impeach, but to garner public support and, and, you know, I think maybe keep in the focus narrow here helped simplify that message to the public. He was unable to answer her very pointed questions, and I think she was able to have those very pointed questions because this issue is just so simple. Do you support a president asking for foreign help in a US election? It's very a simple question. And Republicans on the Hill can't even answer it at this point. Yeah, I mean, there was the Mike Pence interview that had that. There was the Mike Pompeo interview as well. And what, you know, it is frustrating.

Obviously, people in politics fall back on talking points. They do it, you know, that is it's a rhetorical trick that they do. You just ignore the question and say the thing you want to say. That's, and it's incredibly frustrating. But thankfully, that reporter, at least with my compay, just kept hammering until it was just so painfully obvious that he was refusing to say that he met with Giuliani while he was in Warsaw. And by the way, when they do this, that just means yes, by the way.

That is my compay, admitting that he, that he in fact, did meet with Rudy Giuliani in Warsaw for no reason that he can actually justify in front of the American people. But yes, I agree that, that posing, that part of impeachment is forcing these people to be confronted that way. I am worried about the Senate because you've got just these crazy Lindsey Graham blow hards that will have a deep a moment, you know, I mean, during the Kavanaugh hearings,

I, you know, Lindsey Graham, I I joked afterwards that Lindsey Graham was going to be playing Fee and Dreamgirls at a local community theater after this because it was such a spectacular diva moment from him. And, you know, he, but so I do worry that that unfortunately public hearings are, are not the, the, the, the necessarily going to work because of the way that the Republicans often handle them. Yeah, and that's another downside, delimiting this to the, to, uh, to Ukraine because folks like Lindsey Graham, uh, might be swayed in the Senate if there's a call, which I'm sure there is between Trump and Erdogan or Trump and Putin or both in that code word classified

system about the withdraw of Syrian troops. And I think that that could motivate Republicans more than, you know, asking for foreign assistance since half of them took donations from Russia in the last election anyway. Mm-hmm. Yeah, you know, again, it's, but what I do think is sinking in with the public and the polls do seem to reflect this right now is just a general sense of these guys are incompetent and up to some crazy bullshit. I think that general feeling is, obviously, the majority of Americans didn't vote for Donald Trump. They didn't want him as president. Now, I think that's sort of

metastasizing into a, that there are actual polls saying that 51% of people favor impeachment and removal is that's unprecedented as far as I know. And so I do think the Ukraine is the investigations into the Ukraine situation are finding more layers of corruption that are resonating with people. If it turns out, it appears Giuliani was working on behalf of these, of Parnas and Fruiman,

as well with the liquid natural gas. By the way, I'm still, I still don't understand that and perhaps you can explain it to me. And I'm a guy who follows this stuff. But so the idea was that they were trying to get rid of the ambassador because they were trying to get rid of the president of a liquid natural gas company in Ukraine. Is that what was happening?

Yeah, Rick Perry and Igor and Lev and Giuliani were trying to put friendly board members on this gas company in Ukraine. And this is not the gas company that Biden worked for, by the way, just a different one. No, not Burisma. No, yeah, but they did that so that they could control, you know, the gas, probably pipeline, you know, with, you know, Russia and all that, because we, you know, as we know, they're trying to get a peace deal between Putin and Zelensky and Ukraine and Russia so that they can lift the sanctions there. And a pipeline deal, if they had enough people pushing for this pipeline deal,

they could get a ceasefire. And when that peace happens, then they would have the resources they need, or at least the public support in those countries they would need, or in the EU to lift the sanctions that we placed on Russia for annexing Crimea. That's my guess. I'm speculating. But yeah. Okay, plus, yeah, basically all of the oil and gas companies end up being basically oligarchy

facilitating the oligarchy. I think the bigger thing for Americans that people don't seem to get yet is that basically Trump and unfortunately many Republicans are hoping to turn America into a Russia-style kleptocracy at this point. I mean, that is what I figure is the big, long-range goal here. And I know that sounds sort of apocalyptic, but it's the only thing that makes sense at this point. Yeah, I know that in the nuclear, Middle East, Marshall Plan, Saudi Arabia, reactor stuff. But if I were you, I'd check out Blowout, the new book by Rachel Maddo.

She explains it all really well in there with the kleptocracy, oligarchy, all the oil, and how Russia is using that around the globe to try to further their political interests. But I'm still a little torn on this after speaking to you. I don't want to go back to the Ukraine thing. I don't want to make the same mistake we made with Mueller on the Ukraine thing, because you know, you can't fit the Mueller report on a bumper sticker.

Although we were going to, we were gonna put that whole last paragraph really tiny on a bumper sticker. Although we were going to, we were going to put that whole last paragraph really tiny on a bumper sticker. Just to sort of make that point. But I did want to speak to you also a little bit about speaking of the Attorney General Bar and religious freedoms. I know that you were tweeting about this recently and your Twitter is at Mr. John Crier. He spoke at Notre Dame, blaming violence, drug addiction, depression, mental health issues

on the new secular age. And I was wondering what your thoughts are on that crazy fucking bullshit to that happen in that speech. Well, of course, there's nothing new about that. But it does go to what a lot of the tribalism that surrounds Trump is Christian tribalism, Christians in America feel under attack. And they feel, mostly it's pop culture. But that's because the pop culture has always turned a bit of a jaundice eye towards religion and, you know, because Christianity has been the major religion in the United States. You know, there's always

been a, a, a, as I said, a jaundice eye turn toward religion, you know, especially artists generally, you know, feel like it's their job to rebel from that. So yeah, pop culture has a generally anti-religious bent, you know. Obviously blaming all that stuff on it is hilarious in many respects. But you know, it's basically religion, the, you know, as who that had once been referred to as the opiate of the masses versus the actual opiate of the masses, which is now like that. And, and, and such, you know, it is a, you know, as I said in my tweets, I, you know, it's fine for him to feel this way. I don't know why he's giving that talk to lawyers. I guess when he's trying to talk about moral systems and the idea being that somehow

having an ethics and moral system that is divorced from religion is the end of mankind, although it sure works for me, but whatever. Bottom know, bottom line, I don't know if that's the driving force between why he's so corrupt and awful and, you know, why he feels he's justified in doing the horrible things that he does. You know, plenty of bad guys have justified doing awful things because they wanted what they thought was a better thing. And that seems to be how he's operating.

Yeah, I think you're right. I think if we, you know, in the same way that we can frame Trump's behavior in him wanting to be an oligarch, and thereby explaining why he does what he does. I think if we, because the oligarch tag or goal didn't really fit with bar, but I think if you give him the theocracy tag, then it kind of explains his willingness to be corrupt in order to further his feelings on theocracy and that they would sit around and talk about sharia law in the way that they do being you instituted by Barack Obama in the United States. But then turn around and make these sorts of speeches to lawyers at Notre Dame. Just it absolutely

blows my mind. Yeah, yeah. No, the hypocrisy runs deep with these folks. And Pompeo, also known for bringing up his religious beliefs, often in terms of what he does as Secretary of State. Again, I understand there's plenty of people in my life who are sincerely religious and I love what it does for them and the happiness that it brings to their life. I'm not against religion, I don't want it imposed on me, I'm not a religious person personally. I certainly don't want it imposed on my nation and on the foreign policy of my nation. I don't think that helps. But yeah, there is an odd strain of it,

and it's fascinating to me. I mean, I once put on Twitter, my grand unified theory of Trump, which is that he aspires to be a Putin-style oligarch. That hence, the whole Trump Moscow deal was just a, an effort on his part to play with the big boys, you know, and get into that crew of, of, of, of, of Putin's, you know, I think he's had many dealings with Russian organized prime over the years as a developer in New York

City. New York City obviously has been dealing with that for decades now. Russian organized crime has largely supplanted Italian, the old Italian organized crime in New York City. And he's obviously, to be in the construction business in New York, you're going to have connections to that. And to what degree, you know, he and Trump invited it, I don't know, you know, I think a lot of that's becoming clearer as we, you know, as, as, you know, more and more people speak up.

Yeah. Agreed. And I think in the case of all of these guys, uh, it just boils down to fragile ego and narcissism in the end. So, um, whether, whether you take the theocracy route or the oligarchy or, you know, autocracy route, I think, I think that's the stem. I think that's the root of it. But, um, everyone, John, John Crier, um, catch him is Lex Luthor and Supergirl and the film Big Time Adolescent, dropping in 2020.

I can't thank you enough for joining us today. You were literally one of my favorite people. And I wanna thank you for using your voice for good. And I cut you off with your credits. What were you about to say right there? No, I just thought it was a great segue. It was like, you know, we're talking about oligarchy and all this stuff, and then we go,

and by the way, Lex Luthor on Supergirl. Well, I think it's relevant. That shit, it would be Lex Luthor, I suppose. Uh, but mostly, you know, it's funny because, you know, we, we, we, we, we, we, we toss these terms around oligarchy, you know, autocracy and all that stuff. And I, and I feel badly because I, I do feel like that, you know, I, I feel like sometimes that alienates people and, you know, we're, we're, we're trying, you know, I feel like that, I feel like sometimes that alienates people. And I feel like are we trying to be smarty pants is talking about super serious stuff?

But all this stuff does boil down to a basic level of corruption that Americans should not have in their lives. If you visit countries like Russia, you know, countries that have been dealing with autocratic dictators that have corrupted their societies for a long time, there is a cynicism that just soaks into the society. That is so awful and sad.

And one of the nice things about America is we still have a certain amount of earnestness. You know, we still care. We have a certain amount of hope. And if we lost that, I think it would be tragic. I think it would be a terrible, terrible tragedy. And that's what I think is, you know, I think it's healthy to have a certain amount of

cynicism about politics. You know, it's grubby and it's all, and it's tainted by money, absolutely. But we should have some hope that we can do better than this. And I believe we can. I believe we will. I believe Donald Trump will be the first US president who has impeached and removed from office. I am grateful that people like you are fighting the good fight

and these make in these podcasts that are letting people know there is community and that we are all understanding what's happening here. And I'm grateful that I can speak with people like you and get out on social media and talk with people as well. So thank you for the time. I really appreciate it. Oh absolutely, no worries. And yeah, I think the, I think the Lex Luthor thing. I remember we had talked about, remember when the Trump wanted to buy Greenland, I swear to God that was a Lex Luthor plot to you know when the ice caps melted He would build tropical golf courses there. I swear to God it was a Lex Luthor plot

So I feel you on that and thank you again for the kind words. I really do appreciate it And thanks for thanks for coming on Muller Sheeran. It's such a pleasure. All right guys. That's our show for today Thanks again to John Cryer for taking the time. We spent a good 25 minutes on the phone and he's just so funny and I really appreciate him taking the time out of his busy filming schedule and his schedule of being awesome to come and talk to us. Really great insights on autocracy and theocracy. Just a lot of great stuff to say and about, you know, I'm still undecided on whether I'm

for putting all the impeachment eggs in the Ukraine basket or spreading it out a little bit. It's just hard to tell. There's so many pros and cons on both sides. I'm feeling like I should trust Nancy, based on our earlier conversation about we need to trust our experts. Just been there a long time.

True. Yeah. Are we doing final thoughts? Sure, yeah. Oh, sorry, sorry. OK, I should ask you. You're like, can I say something now? Jump in the gun there, Jordan.

Go on, I'm just just take over. She's like, please. She's like ready to end now. She's like, can we do final thoughts? No. No, I was listening to, there's a really good Vox today explained podcast episode. Great podcast.

Yeah, they talk about like then nine, I think it's nine, either seven or nine possibilities of impeachment scenarios. And it goes through like all the different people that would be, you know, eligible. Eligible to be the president. Yeah. And it goes basically kind of who, the seven who could end up president. Yeah, or the different scenarios in which like what is most likely how Trump could potentially

react to all of them and it's interesting and they talk about Pelosi and how she probably wouldn't be able to actually sit in that because she would be she wouldn't be a I don't know, this is the right word, but essentially like confirmed by the Senate to like, keep that role, they could like, vote her out essentially. In which case, it would go down to, I believe the Secretary of State, but he might be wrapped up in it, and then if it's not him,

then it would be the Treasury Secretary. So Pompeo or Benutia. Yeah. Steve. Yeah. President Steve. Yeah. President Steve. Yeah.

Sorry if I totally bastardized that process with Pelosi. It's in the, it's in the podcast. Yeah. I forget exactly what would happen. But the moral of the story is that even if Pence and Trump both go down, it's not likely that she would also go with the president. Yeah. Yeah, I've been saying that forever.

I don't, and I don't know that, um, I don't know that Trump would resign. We, I think we'll impeach him. And unless we remove him, we'd have to vote him out. And I don't know that Trump would resign. I think we'll impeach him. And unless we remove him, we'd have to vote him out, in which case Pence would take over. Pardon him. He would still be susceptible to state crimes after he left office, because you can't

federally pardon state crimes. And I don't think Tish would just let shit lie, Tish James, New York Attorney General. And of course, we still have the New York Trump org case going on with with a Manhattan District Attorney. So that's really interesting. What's it called again, Vox? Vox today explained. Yeah, it's a good podcast.

It's a really like yeah. It's like within the last week, I forget which day exactly you'll see it on our feed. Sweet. Yeah. Anything, Amanda? No, no, not much to me. I'm excited.

My mom's coming to town today. Yeah. Coming, Amanda? No, no, not much to me. I'm excited. My mom's coming to town today. Yeah. From Canada. And she doesn't know a lot about American politics, but she's been listening to the podcast recently. That's really cute. She's been like doing a crash course, so she can understand. She's like, my daughter does the podcast. I don't know anything about the Senate, but I'm going to learn. So that's cute. Nice. I'm going to go pick her up and get her flowers and show her around San Diego. Oh, oh gosh, you got here safe, heaven. Yeah, and we'll be back tomorrow

and again, we'll be traveling in New York Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday. So if you listen to the daily beans, you might get a bridged versions or maybe none. iPhone recordings. iPhone recordings. We'll put something out somehow. Just even if we're just like, hi, we're very tired.

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