James Bonding - Austin Powers with Brian Aubert

Episode Date: April 10, 2024

Brian Aubert from the great Silversun Pickups joins the Ms to discuss the seminal Bond parody, Austin Powers: International Man of Mystery. Also, there's a nice Michael G. Wilson story. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Matt and Matt and James Bonding podcast All right It's me Yeah So And that we're listening to right now

Is Brian from Silver Sun Pickups Hello hi We're very happy to have you How you doing? I'm so thrilled This is so wild Welcome

Welcome in the James Bonding Aston Martin It's a two-seater So you're sitting in the middle right now I'm sitting on the top You're sitting on the radar Right on the gear shift It feels wonderful

Yeah perfect Austin Powers Segway. My name is Matt. My name is also Matt. My name is Brian. That's right. And we are all here gathered here today, friends and lovers, because it's an off week, which means we're going to cover one of the off-brand Bond movies.

We did a poll on Twitter and a runaway first favorite was Austin Powers International Man of Mystery. I will say, not surprising. What I was surprised by was how close Thomas Crown Affair came to being the number two. Why were you surprised by that? I just was like confused by it. I mean, it doesn't count to me as an offshoot Bond movie. Really? Well, it's not a super Bondian movie, but you've got a bond in it.

Right, but by that token, why aren't we watching The Rock? Well, I think people would make an argument for that. There is that theory out there that that's Connery years later, like his bond years later. Is that true? Yeah, there's like a fan theory that that's Bond years later. he was put away. Well, he became too dangerous. But don't they make a reference to that in the movie?

Like, what did you do? And it was kind of like a little slight inside joke or something? Yeah. And also, he, I love the, the end of that movie is them finding the missing frames from the Zepruder film. Yes. Oh, wow. How did you want to know who killed Kennedy? Credits.

I didn't remember that movie at all. Way to go, Michael Bay. Really? That was Michael Bay. Yeah. That was before I knew. That was a late, yeah. That was a late 90s Criterion movie.

Wow. Criterion? Yeah. They did a criterion of the rock and Armageddon. Wow. And I had both of those. What were the like special, like, the most special things, man? Wait, are you saying Michael Bay and like,

I'm saying Michael Bergman are all celebrated in the criteria. Yeah. They are wiped. Christoph Kislauski and Michael Bay. But, you know, it's funny is like those releases are all wiped from like Criterion's like website. You can't find any. anything out about them. I understand. But if you go on the internet, you'll be able to see them.

I used to have both. They were double disc. Laser discs? DVD. Oh, fancy pants. It was the late 90s. DBX. DBX. What's that re-rentable? Or the rentable DVD that came out that last? Divix. Divix. Divix. Get your divvix a flubber at Circuit City. Right next to the borders. Yeah. So Brian. Yes, sir. Tell us about your history with Bond. What brings you to us today? Your great band. Just, you know, get us up to speed on your life to this point. Okay.

What led you to Matt Gordley's podcast? I was born in Topanga. Oh, really? Yeah, I'm a Los Angeles guy. Me too. You are, yeah. Long Beach, right? Well, Long Beach for my college and adult years, but Whittier for my child and formative years.

Yeah. I grew up in Topanga. If you took, not like the... the fancy pants to bang it that most people think about. But was any of it fancy pants back? Well, my life was sort of in the valley. Okay. So if you took like one of those scoop things that you win prizes at, like at a

Oh yeah, claw machine? Yeah, claw machine. Yeah, claw machine. And you took like a little 70s middle class, Will & Hills neighborhood. You scooped it up and you plopped it right on top of a mountain. That's where I grew up. I got it. So I was kind of in between, even though we were up high.

It's very E.T. Yeah. Oh, nice. Oh, wow. Okay. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. lot of trick-treating during daylight hours. I get it. Yeah. Yes. That was the weirdest thing about 18 to me as a kid. I was like, yeah, me too. What is that? Why? Why are they? I was like, when I was a kid, I felt really sad for Gertie. I was like, that's so messed up that her Halloween's messed up. Yeah. That is so messed up. That's right. Fucking alien man. Bond, uh, I remember my first bond memory was, uh, my family's Hawaiian. Half my family's Hawaiian. Oh. So I spent all my summers there. And, and, um, I remember. And, uh, I remember, my first bond memory was, um, And there was an awesome.

Tough gig. Yeah. Well, when you're a kid, you don't know. Yeah. I just thought, grandmas, ah. And then as I got older, I realized, wow, this is amazing. Which island? Oahu.

Oh, wow. Yeah, my grandfather still lives in the house that he bought in 1953. Oh, my God. Yeah, he's still there. Wow. It's pretty wild. Wow. And there's a drive-in theater right off the Polly Highway,

which is the highway that goes in between the mountain on the south shore of Oahu. I already love this story. And we drove by it at night, and I remember looking over, and I saw a guy skiing and he lands on a picnic table and everything goes crazy and I was like what is that you saw that yes you remember your first bond image I was like what is that what is that thing and my cousin and you know when you're a kid someone describes to you Raiders Lost Ark and you go oh my god you're much more scared of it like with her faces are going to melt yeah I said who is that my cousin who's older he said that's james bond that's 007 and I said what is James Bond

double seven and he started telling me he's like there's evil people and he's a spy and he does these crazy things I love that you've got your one culture pop culture friend or you go to to yeah I know I always get led into things you know all the way till later on I still probably do um like I'm so nervous about it but I couldn't wait to like see it yeah and then I think we all went to go see like clash of the titans or something like that and it was this was a different drive-in so there was a lot of different screens around and I kept looking over at James Bond. And we went over there and we got to listen to it.

Like we left Clash of the Titans and watched For Your Eyes only. And I remember being terrified of it for some reason. Yeah. Not Clash of Titans. Yeah. I don't know. Something in my mind was like, what is James Bond? And I saw the beginning of it with, you know, it was scary when I was a kid,

when this guy got dropped from a helicopter. Me, now it's funny. Yeah. But then you're like, oh, death. It is gloomy. That whole scene is pretty gloomy. Well, you know, when you're a kid and you think, well, Luke's going on the Starlight Pit. That's it, guys. Like, I don't think, they're going to get out. They'll be fine. I thought, oh, man, that's it. Yeah, you know, you have no cognitive. As a child, you have no cognitive awareness. No, and it's scary.

The fact that they cannot kill the protagonist this early in the movie. Like, you have none of that or necessarily that couldn't happen to you, you know, or something. Yeah. Yeah. I guess chances are you're not you could get dropped down a smokestack in a wheelchair with a neck brace and a cat. Or a sarlack pit for that. Yeah, but even you're a kid, you know, you think you're going to have to deal with quicksand, and you think you're going to have to deal with quicksand and you think you're going to have to deal with. Or hope you're going to have to deal with quicks in my case. Yeah.

I wish. I was prepared. So Squibbs. Quicksand. Quicksand. Yeah. For two. All right.

Yeah. Yeah. I just remember thinking of so exciting. And music, even back then, it really hit me hard. And that Sheena-eason song really hit me hard. Even Zanadu. Yeah. Like, I never saw the movie, but something about that song, Magic gives me chills.

Same here. And I have that feeling with Blondie too. And I, not to get too detailed or, but I feel like it was partially, I was aware what blondie looked like and probably had like a dream as a young boy and then associated that music with my like first understanding that like I really, these things called women and I like. Yeah, me too. Like I guess that's. I didn't know what I wanted to do.

I don't know. Yeah. Yeah, I always like girls. I didn't know what to do. your first daddy like, Hama, howma, howma, how many, dream? But to this day, I have, like,

the reason I feel okay bringing that up is because I know it can sound sort of like oddly creepy or something, but when I think of those songs, I get a nostalgic feeling in me that is more romantic than anything else and it's like magical. Yeah, emotional and weird

that I couldn't figure it out. That song, magic in particular. Yeah, I think it's called magic. I was in Iceland. My wife and I got married Italy five years ago. Whoa, tough game. And we went to Iceland beforehand, and we were at a bar, one of the two bars in Reykavik,

really, the clubs. So you went to the... Boston. Sure, sure, sure. Boston used to be, there was Kaffa Varn in Boston, right? Boston used to be circus. And if you actually want to... When I walked in, like, every musician in Iceland is in that bar.

So when I walked in, they were like, hey, lazy guy, panic man, you know, hey, look at you. It's like they have all recorded at sunset. I mean, how small Iceland is, the percentage of bands that come out of it is staggering. Really? It's staggering. So if you want to meet Sigurossor at this bar or this guy that I met who did tours, this girl came and wanted to meet Bjork. And he's like, oh, you have a good chance of meeting Bjork. And they went to this bar and this girl got into a fight with the DJ. And she's like, oh, that girl's so mean. I said, oh, yeah, well, you just met Bjork. Oh, my God. What kind of fan are you that? Wow. Yeah. But in that bar, the DJ, this guy was playing all this great music, and he started making his own beats on it, and he put magic from Olivia Newton John on, and I still felt it. You know, there's something about it.

It's somber in the movie. I don't care about the movie in any level whatsoever. Have to believe we are magic. That part. Nothing can stand. Don't cry, man. I'm feeling all of it, guys. Boy, before, I'm sorry, I don't mean to railroad this, but I have the same feeling for the part in Zanadu when Olivia Newton-John goes, cowgirl.

Oh, yeah. And I don't even remember what the music is, but it gives me chills in the same way. You know, like grease really hits you? Yeah. Like, I remember the ending of Greece being really, really sad and being kind of, you know, just something about. They die in that car crash and it goes to heaven. Yeah. I'm talking about grease, too.

Oh, sorry. You know when the cool matter comes in. I think it's like this, you get nostalgic and you're not even old enough to get nostalgic. I know, it's a weird. It's a feeling you can't understand. Yeah, and it carries with you. Yeah, and it carries with you. Yeah, that is funny, the false nostalgia you're given by movies that take place in a different era in your life.

And you're six. That was so great. Yeah. Like when I was a kid and I watched the Sandlot and I was like, yeah, man, when I was playing baseball in the 60s with my friends, it was just the best. Yeah. I feel that way about lying in winter. man Cider House rules for me

yeah my orphanage in Maine it was like a lot of fun I feel like we about breaking the waves Lars von Schernernernerner I just feel like man I remember those days guys back you know in rad how you remember the time

you wanted to win money on your BMX bike pump up the volume let's not get down you ever get that feeling that's come up on this show before pump up the volume

really hard Harry it's not streaming anywhere I have tried to watch we tracked it down I have the DVD Dori made me watch it. Bring it next to me. I had the first streaming mishap recently, too,

because I had this moment where I went, wow, with all these things, like, now it's just like you can get anything. And I had some friends over, and we were going to watch Sid and Nancy. Oh, wow. We can't. Now and you can find it.

Same thing relevant to our interest, too. The Harry Palmer trilogy, which the Ipchrist file, funeral in Berlin, and billion-dollar brain, only billion-dollar brain is available online. And I really, I've never seen those movies. I really want to see him. And we could easily get the, like, blue rays and do it for the show.

But I want, like, everyone to be able to easily watch this thing. Of course. I don't think it's available. Yeah, that's weird. Happy Harry Hardon. Happy. Let me tell you. So I watched that movie for the first time a couple, like, two months ago.

Dory wanted me to see it. She, because she had seen it six times in the theater. Geez. Wow. She was in high school. It's like my platoon. It's the best. And I just was, it's so hilariously heavy-handed.

Oh, yeah. And she's right. It's like it does end with everyone starting a podcast. Yeah. Whoa. We should remake that as a podcast. Wow. That's what it would be, wouldn't it?

It would have to be. Right. But yeah. So Brian, then what is the rest of your bond trajectory? Okay, then more, obviously. Yeah. It was just like, wow, I love this. I saw a little bit of fear as only that I can remember because it's all very, very hazy.

Right. And I didn't see octopusy at all. I started to see things on television that were all more related, you know, and I loved it. I just thought this. I was like, this guy, I love this guy. This is me. I'm in 007. You know, running around. Look at me. I'm jumping on things. I think I would like, and I was the kind of kid that would watch greatest American hero things and jump off things. Yeah, me too. Like, like, you guys just thinking you also didn't know how to use the suit? Like, what was the thought there? Well, I was more a Superman guy. In fact, in a way, I, wow, who's a superman guy?

Yeah, I resented. I sort of just, Greatest American Hero didn't fully click with me. Just the song. Yeah, the song is so good. Same thing. Yeah,

same thing. But Superman for sure. Yeah. So anyway, Moore was my guy. I remember hearing about Connery, watched Little Connery, nah,

you know. I was like, what is this? We've got to be the most more-centric James Bond podcast than is. I follow your sort of Bond life. Yeah, because it's probably our similar age.

I know, I'm sorry. We must be similar in age. Well, listen, I do remember. a time. I do remember a time. Yeah, I just turned 44. Oh, I just turned one more than that. Oh, yeah. On my birthday, I got invited to do this podcast. Oh, my God. How nice, happy birthday. Thank you. I know you guys

knew that. We were told my birthday was. Oh, my wife knows how much I love this podcast. So, yeah, then I became, you know, older and Connery all day long. Yeah. You know, it's just like, oh, I love this. And before we go into Pierce Brouson, I just want to say, I do remember the time. I do remember the the excitement for him to be James Bond was probably it was insane it was like Phantom Menace yeah it's coming out yeah the name sounds dumb but it's got to be good he was the air apparent he oh yeah we were finally getting what we were promised this was it it made so much sense and it really made sense right after Moore right do it even though I'm glad it didn't happen because I think Dalton worked for those 18

versions you know I mean like do you think they would have been yeah right right so I didn't see Octopus, I saw a view to a kill. Now I'm like on fire because Duran Duran's got the greatest song ever. Wow, there's a little question. So upset that my parents took us to see a view to a kill but missed the opening. Because like I was a big opening credits guy too and like opening scenes. I was like, I love that stuff. So we walked right in in the middle of the song with the neon dancing and I was so we were, it took me a little bit to kind of get back into it. And they let us stay back in the day you could do it. The United Artists in Willing Hills. Yeah, they let us stay to see the beginning.

Of course. It's a United Artists Theater. This is their movie. I know, really. That's right. Yeah. The Broccolies came down and like, let that kid watch it. They let me do that with the GOO.

Roll it again, Jimmy. The kid stays. The Goonies as well. I missed the beginning and I was always so like, I had to see everything. I had to see the credits. I don't blame you. I still kind of am that way. Like, I don't want to miss anything.

I hate being in. I hate being in movies. I hate being to movies. I can't do it. Me too. Because I want to get in and relax a bit before the movie starts. Yeah. eat my snacks, get them done, so your work's done.

Do you remember how much work it was back? I mean, now with the arc light and all these places, which at first when the arc light moved in to Hollywood, this was like in the 2000s and all of our bands were starting up and the east side it was just cheap. And we just thought, what a hoity, tooty bunch of crap that is. And now I'm like, it was not, it's not the Arklight guys. Reserve seating? Come on.

Yeah. Remember, I mean, we worked so hard to see movies that we wanted to see. I waited in line forever to see return of the jazz. I remember that my mom took me like a sick or something and I and my mom took me the day and I was scary it was nobody in theater but my mom and I and again it was like one of those things Star War I remember Empire Strikes Back like flashes up when I was little and I remember people in the theater in Hawaii again it was in Hawaii I remember people in the theater in Hawaii going what when he got Darth Vader all that and I remember like he's getting scared by the

audience going, I'm not that scared of movies, by the way, everybody. I'm talking about when I was kids. I'm terrified. You seem really like with the, I was little.

It's just like something, you know, when you're little, it just sort of really hits you. You seem like a powerful elephant and movies are tiny mice. That's right. I love horror movies.

I squish movies. I'm like, for your eyes only. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah, my favorite horror movie is die another day. Mine too. You're not wrong.

But anyway, Connery all day long. Okay. Loved it, loved it, loved it. And then kind of was in more stupid, you know, yada, Got it.

Dalton liked it. Didn't see Living Daylights in the theater. I saw Lices to Kill. I liked Living Daylights a lot. Lice to Kill is 89 where I'm starting to kind of go, I know that Ghostbusters 2 is not good. I know that this isn't good. There's a lot of movies come out.

Batman, everybody loves. You know what I mean? I'm starting to know that you can not like. I liked it. I don't know. I was a little bit the same. It was weird. It was like paste weird and the Joker was kind of cool,

but things seemed so. at the time I just thought yeah it's big sets and things I think I was with you it's the first time in your life where you're starting to not only like there's probably a time before that where you see things critically but you also don't have like a

cultural experience where you can feed back things into that so it's the first time where you can kind of go oh I've seen that better before maybe and you know I don't know yeah and you know you get into the whole thing of it all you think oh of course a ghost special movie is huge and everybody loves it and that's how it goes

and Star Trek movies come out, coming out, and everybody loves them. And that's the way it is. You don't realize, which is good, because at the end of the day, then these movies just exists, and when my son sees solo, he's not going to go, how did it do with the box office? And he's just going to be like, that was fun. I really enjoyed that. I wonder if it has something to do, too. It's like, I'm sure the three of us, even at that age, were aware that we wanted to go into

some kind of line of work that dealt with creation or artistry or something. And so you are looking at those things critically going kind of. of like, not how do they do this, but like, what is this, you know? And so that's when you start to deconstruct things and you don't even know you are. Well, back then, too, there was no, a DVD sort of changed the game, right? Yeah. Back then it was like you had specials. Yeah.

You know, I remember the Back to Future two special coming on TV and going, wow, this is how they do things behind the scenes. Yeah, when I found that on VHS. Oh, yeah. Oh, you have that? I had it on VHS. Who hosted that? Kirk Cameron. Oh, God.

I knew it was Kirk Cameron. Yeah. Did he go back in time or anything? Look, that was the famous special where Rob Zemeckis talks about hoverboards being real. Oh, yeah. And toy companies not being... That, boy, he... It's on the DVD now.

He really... Zemeckis really planted that into kids. Oh, yeah. I remember everyone I knew when they were little, they're like, yeah, they're real. Interesting. I was like, well, then why does... I was like, they're real. Why is his jacket raise up when he...

We did a whole episode of the Goldbergs about that, about Adam getting injured and then having to pretend that he injured himself on a hoverboard, and then he had to, like, make the video of him on a hoverboard? I just, I don't know if I saw... movies differently back then with audiences, like with all kids, because now you avoid them, you know,

you do matinees or things like that. But then you'd see it right when the heart with people. And I remember so many reactions people had. Like even Ghostbusters 2, I remember when the guy said, when he says San Fernando Valley, our place erupted in their car,

and I remember Back to Future 2, the ending of Back to Future 2, feeling weird in the crowd because the crowd was like, what? Boo! When it said to be continued. Oh, God, that ending.

And I got my heart broken a little bit, I was kind of into it. Yeah. So great. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Like when Marty comes back to doc from the, you're watching the doc from the first movie.

Love that. And Marty runs out. Yes. Right. Oh, I remember. I remember seeing two recently and not. Well, it's not good. Two and three are fine, but one is so magical.

One is so insane. Oh, one's a complete story. But two, at the time, you got to remember at the time when people weren't really rewatching back to future all the time and they weren't. binging back to future. So when it came out, it was like, oh, it's been a long time since we kind of went back here. And now if you sort of watch it, you go, oh, we're just back to back the future.

Yeah, and speaking of Star Wars. We're like, Rosencrantz and Gildenstein. Oh, right. I know. Well, Empire's that way. And I think that it was, it had a slightly negative reaction at the time, too, because it was like, wait, you're just going to give us a cliffhanger? What if the Internet existed then?

I know. I, when I hear Star Wars fans, man. Oh, yeah. I'll talk down to them right now. You guys are kind of pieces of shit right now. Yeah, what's the whole phrase? No one hates Star Wars like a Star Wars fan? I just like hear people.

I've had adult people coming to me at parties and like yell and screaming about Last Jedi. And I just go, I don't know what to tell you. It's great. Yeah. And I hate to say this. And this is my one thing I always say in it. It's a bummer to say to people. But I go, listen, at the end of the day, the magic's gone for you.

Right. I'm someone who didn't love that movie. But not for a second do I think I'm entitled to have it. my way. I really enjoyed it. I just remember, I loved it. I like, I just like everything that's happening now with those movies because I really, really, really remember how horrible it was. For prequel-wise, you mean? And the special editions, I was, the special editions were the biggest problem. Oh, that's an interesting thing we don't ever really talk about. They were worse. How do we feel about those special editions? Not great. And then late night,

night wasn't great, but I remember getting in. Couldn't wait for it. Couldn't wait. And then even feeling like when I saw him that it didn't matter. if it wasn't good because it was new Star Wars, like new little snippets within the movie. And that's, that's like, I look back at that now and it's so silly. Well, that's a sweet spot. That was the Star Wars sort of sweet spot where if they came out with things. But that was really just the way we were in 1997.

You know, we weren't ready for things like the special edition of Star Wars or Austin Powers International Man. Oh! I was thinking of how to get it back to that, too. It did it. All right. 97 was a big year at the box office, everyone. Let's talk about it.

You got your Star Wars special editions, your Austin Powers International Man's of Mysteries, your Tomorrow Never Dises. Oh, wow. Your Tetonics. Tetonic. I believe the last Schwarzenegger movie, Eraser. Oh, wow.

It was a great time to be alive. Yeah. I enjoyed 1997. I had a decent 97. Those were not my best years. No, we've talked about it on 1990 high five, the special episode of James Bonding, where we just asked Matt Goreley. Craig Rowan and I just interview Matt Goreley about 1995.

Even though it's 2005, the whole story is 2000. I'd say this every time. The whole subject we're talking about is 2005. And it easily could have just been called 2000 high five. I know. But we call it 1990 high five. I don't know why. I don't know why either.

But, you know, I think about that. Snickers bar. Yeah. And I just want to go there. It doesn't exist. Amen. It's, the place exists as another Irish pub, but not the same one. And it doesn't, it got like, um, corporatized or something.

But man, this place, sticky floors piano. It became a tilted kilt. A bar made out of upright pianos. Oh, yeah. There you go. The dividers between tables were old oak classroom dividers from the old Long Beach School District. Oh, wow.

There were fruit flies in the place. It was amazing. Wow. So 1997. I saw this movie for my birthday with my family and my girlfriend at the time. And thinking of my stepmom going to see this movie cracks me up because she, like, clearly would not have liked it and didn't. Guys, let me give you the top, what, the top five movies for 1997. I think I know the first one.

You do indeed. It is Totonic. It is Totonic. Men in Black. That was number two. That was number two. Lost World Jurassic Park. Okay.

Liar, liar. Wow. And Air Force One. Get off my plane. You know, Harrison Ford had two spots in the top ten, thanks to Star Wars Special Edition at number eight. Jeez. And number ten. All three of them came out that year, I think.

Yes. Number ten private parts. The only one to crack the tag ten. That only made ten million dollars an opening weekend. Where's tomorrow? Which it got beat up by Jungle to Jungle. I was a big Howard listener at that point in my life, and I remember all of it.

I thought he beat Return, he beat it. Didn't he beat Return of the Jedi? It was not the big thing. Yes, but like Jungle to Jungle was first place. Jungle to Jungle. The Tim Allen movie where he, I think, somehow has a child that was raised in the jungle. Naturally.

That's too much, too. He's a New York Wall Street guy. That's already putting too much in my head. Okay, guys. So number 10 of this year, cracking the top 10. A little picture we call tomorrow in every, dies. Now, Austin Powers is number 36.

Oh. That must have been more of a sleeper hits. What do you think Austin Powers' box office was... Gold members. Gold members was another huge. By who shagged me? Right. That's the second one, right?

Yeah. We're going to get into it. But Austin Powers, it's domestic gross. What do you think it was? I'll say 30 million. 60? Closer without going over is Matt. It is $53 million.

It made a million dollars less than Starship Troopers. Whoa. Oh, that's another film I saw. Oh, man. Tomorrow Never Dies, Starship Troopers, and Austin Powers were three films that were brought to us at my class in film school. What? Yep, we saw them before everybody. That's amazing.

Where did you go? I went to USC. Oh, that's why. Yeah. And there was a class, not really a class. I mean, it was where it's called 466, it was on Thursday nights, and there's this one really massive theater

called the Norris Theater, which some of the much bigger classes that we'd go see, like, Dr. Casper, who'd teach, like, the big classes, the Hitchcock class and all these things. 466 was anybody could come and see this, and it was somebody from the film industry would bring in a movie that hasn't come out yet,

and so everybody would just kind of come to this thing. And... Good evening, Mr. Ball. Like John Favro, brought swingers, things like that. Oh, look at that cat. This is, he's never done, she's never done this. She does this all day long normally when people are not here, but she must be very comfortable with you guys.

It's one of those classes that's when Starship Troopers came, the composer showed up to get interviewed and our teacher was so hammered and drunk he couldn't get through it and they replaced him with Leonard Moulton the next week. What? Yeah. So Leder Maldon took over. Yeah. That's amazing. And he said like, let's not talk about it. just like let's move on oh my god yeah that was crazy did he last yeah i think so did you ever have

any run-ins with irvin kersner there he was no far gone i did no no i didn't no no no but yes so that we're showing austin powers here yeah it's another james bond that class brought tomorrow never dies i can't remember who came from that and uh and awesome powers i can't remember he came for that too so we saw all those before it came out wow so boogie nights actually. Oh, yeah. Paul Thomas Henderson. I think so, yeah, I believe that.

What's your Michael G. Wilson story? He, this was a little bit after. I'd like you to spot me. Oh, that's exactly what it was. No, he did. I'm going to go hide in the audience. He did scold us a couple times. Really?

There was a summer class. Of course he did. Hang on, did you take a class? We taught? Yes. We talked to him. I got into a fight with him. What?

Yeah. This is probably why I'm here. Yeah. He sent me this story. Okay, I am all ears. Okay. There is a class that my friend told me about in the summer, and it was probably about 15,

it was not that many people. And it was somebody who runs James Bond. And this is like 98, this is after Tomorrow Never Dies, right before World's Not Enough. Yeah. Right? And so,

and again, this is my 90s me. So it's like, if it's not, you know, it's not a foreign movie, I don't want to deal with it. with it and James Bond's dead to me. I'll go see them all. I saw them all in the theater. If the protagonist isn't a red balloon. But you know, you know stuff. Yeah. 90s me is the me I want to forget as well. Well, no, I think it's good though because it 90s you then adds into you later on. I suppose, but still. I know. I mean, I, you don't,

I'll take its residual effects, but I don't want. Yeah, totally. No, I think you become so much more open to stuff, but I do like how your palate changes. Yeah. Does that make sense? Yeah. So, but I wish I was more with it. Like later on I would have been more like, whoa, Michael Wilson, you know? Yeah. And I was like, okay, I'll go to this bond class with this, my friend. So Michael G. Wilson comes in and goes, hi, I'm Michael. I run with the broccoli's, uh, John's Bond.

I run with the, I'm my crew. I run a lot of. Basically, yeah. You know, I was almost in the beach boys. I am of those Wilson's. Yeah. And we, no. We're, the whole class is basically like soup to nuts, beginning to end,

writing a movie, finishing a movie, and using a lot of golden eye and tomorrow never dies. Okay. So we had to get in teams. So we were the odd jobs. And everybody had their own little team as we'd work together. And so we'd start out like, oh, James Bond, blah, blah, blah. So you had to write, did you have to write a James Bond feature? No, he would talk about budgets and things like that.

So I remember one time where we got in trouble, because he gave us the Tomorrow Never Dies beginning. and we had all the what do you call the the pictures story boards story boards for tomorrow never dies and he wanted us to budget wise figure out

how to put it together where you're gonna just that this and that and this and that what if he does what if he just out outsources this is how I was wondering what this was

and he had an ending line at the end of it which I feel like he was just searching I don't know if it's something he does it Christmas only comes once a year those two guys came

those writers and he got mad at us because we somehow we didn't get the script. We just got the storyboards. So we came up with this fully wild version of it and presented it to him. And he went, can I see you guys outside for a second? Like, okay. He goes, I just think that the odd jumps are doing a terrible job, but I don't want you to be left behind and I don't know what to do.

And I just, I think you guys need to snap it together, okay? Like, okay. Please tell me he said snap it together. It's like something like, yeah, because he seemed like a nice uncle. Yeah. You know what I mean? Oh, wow. Wow.

Yeah, and he did seem like he's skating in the room. There was one of the other things I remember, like the Golden Eye promotion. When we got to the promotion, he showed us all these posters. Now, this guy, it's, there's a lot about it that seems so sharky and so calculated, but there also was he cares about this thing. It wasn't just that, you know, motivated by all these sort of cynical things. He clearly cared about. bond. But we looked at posters and stuff. And he said, what do you think of this poster? This poster doesn't work in Japan because he has a, he's not shaved. This poster for Golden Eye, we have to give

him a shadow in America for Golden Eye. We can't have him in a suit because it tests that men think he's a wuss in a suit. Like it went down to this level of Golden I thing and I was like, wow. That's so crazy, cool. Yeah. And then the writers came in and they were just they're making world is not enough and they kind of said the same thing like we're going to do work they were super quiet and they just sat there and kind of I don't I barely remember them because they had so

little energy. They're just shrinking violets they're like that in their interview yeah so they just go yeah this next one we're trying to get more character developed which is you know now we hear that all the damn time right and I remember that and then the thing that I got into it with him was he said

with Wilson or Wilson the writers we do they just kind of there and they're about the next the next movie is going to be more character driven more back the old days you know this bond girl is going to be unlike any bond girl you've ever she's going to be the best bond girl ever she's a rocket she's a neurologist or whatever she's the best uh the best uh action we've ever her name's christmas she's a rocket her name's christmas we did not reverse engineer this and the payoff is huge can you imagine when we named her christmas at the beginning and then came up with that at the it blew yeah we were blown so and at the

And he's at a high too. Like tomorrow never dies. They're all doing well. Golden Night's doing well. Tomorrow Never Dies is doing well. People like, at the time, people seemed to like tomorrow never dies more because it was more Bondy fun, like more. I agree. Over time.

Over time. That proved right. Thank you. Oh, man. And, yeah, he said, he said, uh, went was the last good James Bond song to everybody. And everybody basically said, if you do a kill. And he agreed. and he was talking like,

what can we do to get people and some people actually said the Katie Lang one, but he kind of poo-pooh. He poohed that because he was just like, no, no, no, but in the, you know, what? That was in the post credits. Yeah.

Yeah, kind of. And he said, who do we get that he can get on MTV and get younger people involved and have like a radio song? And I said, Bjork. I was like at the time Vest Routine was about to come out

Homogenics coming out You know this is like she's really high up there She's still singing sort of pop songs She would get on MTV And he goes yeah We thought about her Too screechy for older people And I said

Well here's your problem You asked me how to get younger people Yeah But then you don't want I was like every one of these Like Durandoran older people would hate Yeah Like all these things older people would hate

If you want younger people you have to do that and he's like well i just think i just agree to disagree with you i was like okay i'm like i don't know i was like Cheryl crow you end up with Cheryl crow nothing against chryl but she's not like getting kids crazy right you know like York's about the headline Coachella and something so it's like get her she's already kind of done them did they once barbara broccoli took over so you had chris cornell which i've learned to like that one yeah but he's shrieky a little bit. And then they were going to do Amy Winehouse.

She passed away. And so then it was Jack White and Alicia Keys. They've skewed a little bit younger since. Adela is kind of that sweet spot that everybody will love. Well, I think if they're going for that, that's what they should go for. Yeah. But I think they were trying to, and I think, like, you know, friends with garbage and stuff. And I think that was their next move.

Yeah. And that made sense. Yeah. There was a big video for that and all the stuff and it really worked. I enjoy that song. Yeah. I know. I told Butch that you guys.

I did. I was like, your Bond song actually ranks higher and he's like, great, man. He's a lot of fun. We had Butch back on the...

Lovely guy. I love him. Yeah, I'm working with him right now. He's making a record, yeah. Oh, nice. Yeah. That's cool. It's also like such a great name.

You guys Shirley too. She's so wonderful. Oh, wow. But yeah, that's pretty much, yeah, there's a lot of my Bond class. That's a good, good run-in. But I remember he seemed... like get out of your kid you know yeah we don't need you kids now why do you think the kids

that was what it was and he just like what was so funny about it it just seemed like he's already tested this like this thing yeah like in my head at the time before casino royale because casino royal because casino royal pretty much saved james bond for me yeah it made me realize and this podcast has made me realize oh right this is awesome yeah yeah yeah yeah Cicina Royal was where I was like, oh, it's not dead, it's not gone, it's not the past. Yeah. This is the best James Bond movie I've ever seen. Oh, nice.

Kind of a stroke of. It's amazing. It's the time for it, too, though. It's the time. Right. To sort of reset that. Especially because not to like force it back to Austin Powers, but like that, that came at the time when Bond itself had become such a self-parody. So to go all the way with a parody works, which forced Bond to self-correct.

Right. Weirdly, I would say the other, I would go the other way on that and say that Austin Powers comes out in 97, right? And we're with, we get tomorrow, Never Dies, that same year. So you can't think of Toronto Never Dies as any sort of reaction to that, right? No. You sort of have to think about World's Not Enough in Diner the Day. And I think that those both are crazier movies. Diner today specifically.

I think that what's crazy about that one? I'm just going to the spy museum in D.C. and I just went there. Oh, you did? Yeah. It was so awesome. Zau's cars right there. I remember going, nah,

this one? Yeah, I know. It was really fun. The whole band when we had a day off and all of us went out and went to these museums and things and I dragged them to spy museum

and there was James Bond stuff and there's the real James Bond stuff which was mind-blowing. I know. Unfortunately, about 200 junior high and high school kids got off the bus and got in there for their tour group and it was horrifying.

Yeah. They were yelling and screaming and I'm trying to look at Joss's team. They had so much. many things. Yeah, I know. It's a prop heaven of Bondwa. I gotta go back. Yeah. I feel like though the Brazzan ones were on course, that's what they were going to

do regardless of it. Because Austin Powers watching it was so interesting because, and I know that you guys have talked about this and Daniel Craig's talked about this. Once they started diving into older James Bond, they're having trouble now because of Austin Powers. Because Brazen, there's

nothing about these movies that the Brazen ones read at all, or even some of the, you know, let me more. Because Austin Powers isn't James Bond. You know, he's like this 60s dandy. He's not being James Bond. Dr. Evil is being somebody that's absolutely James Bond. And at the time, kids didn't know who there was even referencing.

I've even, my wife when I was, I think, watching You Only Live Twice, she's like, why is Dr. Evil in this? Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, Dr. Evil is Blowfeld. Exactly. Yeah. So it's this weird thing.

especially for younger people, that they get the super villain and the bondiness in some ways, but their bond isn't doing it. You know what I mean? Right. That's why I remember when I saw it in the theater, what I really liked about it was its recreation of the bond layer. Oh, yeah. Even the bond sold, like the villains' army down to the onesies and the hard helmets, you know.

Yeah. The same machine guns. I went into Austin Powers thinking. I think at that point in my life I was more into the Beatles than James Bond Right so I go into this movie like Yep And as soon as it opens it's the hard day's night

Running down the street thing The beard the exact beard that fucking Paul McCartney's wearing And you know And then you even see the interstitial music with Ming-T And you see Susanna Hasse with a rickenbacker And you're like I love you know this that I sort of like really as How old was I at that?

97, I must have been 14. Sorry guys. It was like a 14 year old. And I was just like, oh, this, I like this because it reminds me of the Beatles. And then all of the James Bond. Yeah, were you even getting the Bond stuff? You know, I was, because, you know, the blow felt of it all. You can't escape, right?

Yeah. But there was a little bit of it, too, that I just was like, I vaguely remember this outfit on one of the James Bonds. like the... Which, when? Oh, that, that, his whole thing, his whole top suit is George Lazenby. That blow... Oh, is it? Yeah, with the ruffle and the blue.

But he's doing more of a... I think it's obviously more of a just swinging... Yeah, it's like a 60-swing-in, groovy. I mean, my, um... What was my nephew? My nephews, when they watch it, like, Dr. Evil is Dr. evil. And if they see anything, regardless of...

that they think oh yeah that's dr evil expectors that's dr evil or when they saw jango and chained they said he's dressed like awesome powers right oh my god wow oh your nephew's always going off to see jango unchained yeah yeah they were six and seven yeah on their own the vista the vista let anybody in i started taking notes on this like i normally do and my notes were literal De Bonn, I thought I'd list them out. And there were just so many that I stopped. Because right out of the gate, you've got, I mean, obviously, Blowfeld, got the Walter P.P.K.

There were so many that I just went. This is a movie that exists because of this. I don't even need to track this. I took no notes. I just kind of tried to watch it. You know, it's really, I really enjoyed this movie when it came out. And I really loved, you know, Jay Roach's. sort of approach to it.

I just thought that the some of the use of the I can't imagine their budget was big. It looks so cheap. Yeah. Like it almost like when there at Bluffield's layer

it reminds me of interning somewhere. Like it's like going down these studios. Totally. And the, they're just like that hallway has pipes in it. Like run down. But I just like, you know,

like the whole. thing of like basil exposition at the beginning of the I like basil exposition I'm just like delighted by what's he doing there in the beginning reference like that sort of like yeah and when the door closes on Dr. Evil and it says cryogenic freezing beginning yeah like it's just like this kind of stupid humor yeah for me I just found joyful yeah um I always have mixed feelings about this movie I don't know why I think maybe it's because I so love the commitment that everyone makes to the absurdity like a Zucker Brothers film.

It has that in it. Yeah. And at the same time, there's so much mugging that it borders on Jim Carrey, which always Yeah. But then, but then he's a, Mike Myers is able to follow that through to another level. Yes. I find myself laughing again after being like turned off by it. A little.

That's how. Yeah. That's exactly how I felt. And I'll say that. again like looking at it from a point of view like going back to the film school when this movie it was showed to us the beginning of the movie people were kind of like okay and when the dance thing happened people went wild and they couldn't believe it and then the first time one of those interstitial 60s thing came on people went crazy and I'll remember when he said this is my

happening man this is my happening and it freaks me out our crowd applauded it was there was like and this is like cynical film kids it was so because because there was no yeah baby it's like borat right every person you've never liked in your life like likes borat right yeah it was like yeah baby shot good but before that didn't really exist so it felt the energy felt huge yeah sure and you couldn't begrudge it because it was just like this thing of mike meyer he wasn't on top of the world like this is way after wayne's world yeah and it was something new like this was not a genre i mean parody obviously was but this was so specific yes a bond-esque parody with a fish out of water character.

Yep. Which is a strange thing to do already to just take, well, I guess that's the piece of me watching it right now, I thought, is it better than we go to the 90s? I guess it is. Yeah, I think so. But I was like, really, the 60s stuff is so great. But the weird, I don't remember 1997 being fascinated with the 60s, you know?

I was, again, but because of like. It's more of a 70s thing. That's what I, you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. I guess they will because the 80s was very much... Because 2000s are all about 80s, right? And the 80s were kind of all about the 50s.

There used to be a 30-year thing, and then slowly in the 90s and with the information, it became a 20-year thing. Yeah, and now it's probably 10. Well, now it's like, fine. Spider-Man is being, you know, it's... Next year, this movie was 21 years ago. Yeah. Isn't that crazy?

That is crazy. But when you watch it, I watched it on tour a year ago. We were on tour, and my friend Michelle has a drive. It's weird on tour bus. now because there's no, everything's streaming, which is impossible on a tour bus because the Wi-Fi is bad. So you get somebody who has a hard drive or something. And we didn't want to do whatever we were normally doing,

and she pulled up awesome powers. And we watched it and laughed and thought it was great. And we were like, oh, we forgot that this is good. The other two are not good. Is that the case? I disagree. Well, I don't know. Liking them better, but I could be wrong.

I just remember. To me, it was like Saturday Live where it's like, now there's a bigger dance song. Now there's funnier interstellar thing. It's just like every skit that happens in the first one, they do it seven times over. That's right. So that's what I remember.

It's like, Arrow Smith on Wayne's World. That was funny. And then they keep going crazy and it's like, okay. Right. I need to watch them again. But the first one, just because it designs it, you know? And that was so funny.

We were really nice to it. And I thought, oh, when you invited me to do this, awesome powers, I'm going to rewatch it. It should be fun. Yeah. And I was like you. Yeah.

Seeing it as like a comedy when it like kids still gets some high laughs. Yeah. Because I think Mike Myers is infectious how much he enjoys playing Austin Powers. That's it. Yeah. That's also the thing that slightly puts me off. Yes, me too. And I feel that way with Jim Carrey sometimes where it's a little bit of that in there.

There's like, it's not Austin Powers that needs this laugh so bad. It's Mike Myers. So it and it's making a couple. But there's moments he enjoys it so much. I know. But then there's moments where I'm like. guys, he want to be a sexual, exciting guy? But then he'll go like, no, I can't sleep with you, darling.

And I'm like, oh, that's an interesting character take. Like, you're drunk, you know, like, oh, he's a nice, he's a sex addict with a heart of call. I really, I like the, sexual assater with a heart of a girl. Yes. He didn't assault anyone. No, he doesn't. He harasses.

Oh, yes. Day to night. No end to his harassment. But when it comes down to it, he's a gentleman. But a lot of vagina. Yeah. And, um, Elizabeth Hurley, which for some reason, like, just seeing her made me feel nostalgic.

Sure. Yeah. And she looks the same. Yeah. I liked her in it. She's no, she's no, I mean, she's better than some bond girls. I will say she does some. Oh, for sure.

The thing where I was like, oh, she's actually, she's actually pretty good here. I thought so. The thing that, like, flip that switch for me is on the plane when she is looking at him spinning on the bed and she laughs to herself. Yeah. Like, there's so many ways to do that so badly. Yeah. Yeah, it's a problematic moment in a script in the first place.

I know they're commenting on it. She does it well. Are they commenting on it? Yeah, they must be commenting on the sexism of it because even Golden ice sort of does. Oh, I think they're trying to justify the sexism. But if she thinks it's okay, then we as the audience. I feel exactly like that, Matt. Yeah.

Like that's when I was watching it. I got so many levels trying to see this, what it's trying to do. And a piece of it feels like a product of it's 97 time. by having it's kicking it's two sort of like it really is character-wise what they do with him I can't believe I'm going to have this discussion

I can't wait about the character of Austin Power That sounds deep I mean his backstory fucking buckle up everybody here we go His brother's blow from the character of The character of Austin Powers is written as is written to be genuinely a good person Of course In the sense that there's the explicit thing

with Mimi Rogers' character where he's like, no, of course, I never slept with your mother. She always had her husband, and he was able to take care of her. Yes. And, you know, like, I loved her, but, you know, she was married

and I respected that. And there's the explicitness of, like, the scene in bed where he wants, where Elizabeth Hurley wants to kiss him, and he's like, no, no, you're drunk. And then there's the scene at the end. Yeah, and there's a scene at the end where he's, like, talking to Dr. Evil about

it was just free love, and this is what we did. If we knew it was like that, we would have done it differently. So, like, they're just... Myers is, like, playing this character that is, like... Yes, he's constantly talking about sex

to people who don't want to, but he's used to being around everyone who thinks the same way as him. So there's that adjustment that has to happen? Yeah, there's that adjustment, and then watching it under today's lens with that no longer being a justification for things. It's a really interesting watch in that sense.

And it is. It's not like I spent the whole movie watching it with this, kind of like 2018 lens, but you can't help but notice it. And then think about, because like you said, 97 is a sort of cake and habit too thing where you are at least cognitive. Yes. It's not his fault.

Yeah. It's what they want. It's what they want. They're starting to acknowledge some issues with the past, but only to further their own agenda to continue it in a way. I was thinking about how you said you watched it on the bus and you loved it. it and then watched it now and maybe not as much. A movie like this is really well served by an experience

because I was watching it and going, okay, okay, okay. And then Amanda sat down, surprise the hell out of me, just started laughing. She's not like a big laffer for movies and, like, it just doesn't happen. And she was just giggling the whole time. And then I started to enjoy it a lot more. It's comedy.

I mean, don't you remember going to see comedy as or now even in the theater on your own? And it's not working. Like, I remember as a kid being so, or even now, you know, getting so, like horror movies and comedies and things like that, the audience really plays into it and you get so into it and you can't wait to bring your friend to see it and you go and there's nothing and no one's laughing and it's not happening, you know? Yeah, it's not necessarily the movie's fault to try and make a single person laugh all the time. You're not getting the enjoyment I expected you to get out of this. I'm so sorry.

It is a social experience really, and a comedy really, really is social experience. I went and saw this. This is so weird. My friend took me to this weird AR, VR. exhibit is like a convention. It was pretty crazy. It was super like Silicon Valley and weird people talking about all this weird stuff. It's so weird. Just the other world. What is this?

And this Imagineer, this old Imagineer guy came up and he started talking about Disneyland and he building robots and things like that. I wonder who. It was awesome. Yeah. Do you remember his name? No, I don't remember his name. But he was showing like the robots they built for the Guardians of the Galaxy line, that they're social and all these things.

He basically, his whole point was, if you're going to go do VR, that's wonderful, but now what? What's going to be in it? And he talked about how somebody who's running Disneyland or something, I can't remember the exact details, but they shut down the park

for him and his family. And they were running around and having a great time, but it wasn't working. They just didn't know what it was. They're going on the rides, there's no lines, and they just thought,

why is this not as fun? And they realized because there's no one there. They realized it had to be having, people in order for it to be fun and when there was no one there it just wasn't anything and sometimes movies are like that yeah you know i think a lot of times movies are like i think most of you they're like cite that when you like the best way you can experience that if you're at home and you're like well i don't know what they're really talking about i would invite you to look into your local theater whatever revival theater you have and go if there's a movie you've seen a dozen

times that you like and you think it's funny go see it at the peak time absolutely And see it with a crowd because you're going to have such a good time. Like, every time I've ever seen Ghostbusters in a theater, it's still kills. Same with Bond. I'll go see any Bond movie. Unless it's at midnight. Unless it's at midnight. Yeah, I know.

They're showing them at the vista at midnight. And both Matt and I are like, no way. Wait, what they are? Yeah, because I want to do that. No, no, I'm not jumping your. Hey, guys, what about me? Can I have got you guys? I'm not even going.

We discussed how it's too late for us, right? And Mark's brothers at 11 a.m. I'm going to go see one or two here. Are they really at the vista? That's awesome. I'm playing a day at the races, which is my favorite. That's the best theater in Los Angeles, really? Still this day, I think.

Let's talk about some of our favorite moments of this film. There's real laughs. Like, what really made you laugh? Because there are solid. There is like something, too. I think we should all talk about here and just acknowledge the fact that like, if you're a fan of this podcast and let's say you're 20 years old, you know, and you don't know what the world was like when Austin Powers came out.

Yeah, it's hard. It's, I, and you don't know a world where yeah baby doesn't exist in a, in a, in a context of Ricky Jervase in the office. A ringtone. Yeah, or like what's... In the same way that we would watch Connery's Bond and didn't know a time before that. Right. Yeah. Totally.

So I just want to like put this into context for you. Like this, Austin Powers, you have to realize what a, what a, what an achievement in zeitgeist it was. Yeah. For Mike Myers and Jay Roach. It was Austin Powers, Napoleon Dynamite and Borat. bore a culture of catchphrases and quotes. Wow, Zoolander. Zoolander, too, yeah.

Maybe that was part of my issue. The first Zoolander. Yeah, no, that's right. There is a lot of joke. You guys, it was like comedy gold in here. You should, listeners, you should see the way they look at each other. And also, let's not forget about the wonderful Mrs. Daufire. Anyway, continue.

Oh, yeah, that had like. Hello, trying to bring that back in the writer's room in Poulbergs. You love, you love, you love the guy. Drive by Frooting. Stuart! I have a real tense relationship with catchphrases because they obviously out where they're welcome or outstay they're welcome. And then, you know, doing the Super Ego podcast, I understood for the first time I happened because you do something. And then people would echo them back to you so much that you didn't even realize you were kind of saying it back to them in a way, whether it was in a recording.

And it takes real restraint. and I get going to that shortcut now. And I do think it is a comedic shortcut and it's sometimes lazy. And I wonder myself, it's a troubled history. I agree with you there, but Austin Powers, it's really funny. And I think it helps the absurdity of what this is

by giving us some sort of like, yeah, just something to kind of lock in on because it's like, what is happening? But it's also not his fault. No. Oh, no one's blaming him. He did something inspired and great, and it was the zeitgeist that brought it back to him. It's what you do with it after.

Yeah, yes. Well, that's why I'm saying the other two movies, like Austin Powers was the little engine that could, right? Yeah. And then by the time, when Phantom Menace comes out. Yeah. Changes cinema history for the better. Phantomettes comes out. The trailers come out, and I remember, you know, I hated Phantom Menace.

I still saw it four times. Yes. I had to be sure. Nine. Nine. I know, and I remember one time I'm going, that's good. That's good, right? Hey, hey, do you feel Star Wars?

I just felt Star Wars. That was a Star Wars moment. Wasn't that a Star Wars moment? That was totally Star Wars, huh? Yeah. There are lightsabers. There's lightsabers. There's four lightsabers for three guys.

Oh, man. How do they even handle this? Yeah, this is pretty cool. Oh, they keep cutting to the kids. Oh, you know, there's wacky stuff in the other movies, too. That's the thing I always hated. We'll go, the acting in the other movies isn't good either. I'm like, yeah, it is.

It's pretty good. It's not like this. One of my favorite things, and I don't want to, sound insensitive, but I'm going to say this. One of my favorite things is what a jerk, it seems that Jake Lloyd was. A jerk. I feel bad for him. I heard some bad things.

Oh, he just like, you know, it just. But not at the time. He's just an innocent little Jedi with no father and a bunch of midaclorians running through his blood. Did you guys hear that recently? They talked about what George Lucas wanted to make. He wanted to go full inner space. I was like, guys, I'm so sorry you're mad about Po.

Yeah. But come on. He wanted to dive into the midi-chlorians. The third trilogy to be about the wills, which would be interacting with the Midercloreans. And what we would have learned is that we're just ships, or they're just ships. Basically, it's Meet Dave. Yeah.

I love that. I love that I was there too. Yeah, he was great. God, he's good. Wow. You're right. You're right. To come up with a catchphrase at all that connects with people.

people isn't that easy. But it's like a nickname in that you can't, you can't plan it. Don't you think, yeah, organic. It has to be kind of given back to you. Right. Yeah. Right. And I don't think that that was ever Mike's intention.

No, I'm not saying it is. I'm just saying, Mike. Well, but he is a king at that, Mr. Yeah, Mike. Mike. You know, Mike. Not to be confused. It may be his intention because you're right on Saturday.

Wayne's World. He's, it's, most of his comedy is chas phrase comedy. Swing. You know, all that stuff. Exactly. So he's sort of, but he's good at it. Um, my, what does his Deter character had a catchphrase. All of his characters basically had a catchphrase.

And believe me, I'm not judging. I've done this myself. It's just a really fascinating thing to examine, you know? Yeah. It's, it's, uh, well, it's also like, you just can't, I, this, I owned this movie on VHS widescreen. Oh, wow. I bought the letterbox version of this at Suncoast video.

We used to watch them very thin. Very face screen. I had to. I had to. Wide screen Phantom Menace. Oh, man. VHS.

Oh, brother. That came in like a big box with a couple of books. Like, I didn't want to miss Mindy Sterling's reactions to Dr. Evil. Like,

it was just like, I just need to absorb of all of this movie. She's, she's, proud of Bissena. She kills it. Yeah. Crushing.

Crushing it because the Lucky Charms bit is so stupid until she says that. Yeah. And when she says, it's a commercial. I just thought that was hilarious. The best part is when they show

the Padio Brian, what's his name? the Irish guy's response, and then you cut back to Fralfourbiz. And she's just, like, stone-faced. Yeah, she's funny. Dr. Evil, I remember stealing the movie and not for me this time. Really, I was the opposite where I remember, that's where Mike Myers feels like he's doing some too much of his stuff. But this time, you like, you got into it?

He's a little under the breath things were getting me. They were making me. Oh, my God. I wasn't into it as much. When he's trying to do the Macarena for his scene. That's funny. I like, see. There's like a little tone.

There's like a little under the, uh, that like that when he does that and just the look he gives Seth Green. That's funny. Delights me. I just like when he's like talking to his crew of henchman and they, and he will run things by. And he just seems very sweet and gentle.

And it was a brilliant way of playing. I do. I like that about him, but I just remember him being so big. And him again being on MTV. video awards. He just reprised that character again on one of the talk shows. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

And so she was like, you know, Mini Me, Mini Me was huge and Zip It and all that, and Dr. Evil had a rap. Yeah, you know what I forgot about with Awesome Power. How do they deal with Robert Wagner being killed? And then Brett back. And same with Will Ferrell. No, oh, Mustafa's back

in the 60s because they time travel to the 60s. This is before all those Anchormany movies and things like that. And I feel like you can get a sense of them cutting together things. I think so, because Myers especially loves to do a run of jokes that are built on each other. But they seem scripted. So they're not like an improv riff that they'll then cut together.

But this seems like the origin of that. This movie feels like it's been put together in some ways. Does it? Yeah. It seems like, well, let's just now do this, you know, Burr-Back-a-Rap. And then we'll cut to Dr. Evil. here and then, because they don't, you know, they just kind of like wander around and then they

find each other at the end. Yeah, well, you know, I actually would be very curious to read the shooting script of Austin Bayhors, just to sort of figure out what they're, what is scripted and what isn't scripted. But I just, honestly, I find this to be a, just a fuck ton of talented groundlings people. I can see that. Just what is real fair all exactly in this movie? What is he? He is. Is he just a, like a lodge member? No, he's like a, like a, a, Eastern Turkish. Is he? He's like a Turkish scientist.

And those jokes, that kind of joke when he falls in, he was like, I'm very badly burnt. It's funny. Yeah. And they, people were making jokes like that so much after that. But at that time, that timing and stuff was so weird. When he's peeing after coming up, when Austin Powers is peeing. Yeah. Same kind of joke.

You know what? That was weird because I was watching that scene. That's funny. And I was like, oh, this isn't doing anything for me right now. I think. I don't think it's not funny. but I'm just not laughing. I think what's funny is Michael Myers

the way he's... Michael Myers. Yeah, the way Michael Myers kills Lori. And it was all a dream because it's in the new movie. Yeah. No, uh, Mike Myers,

um, the way he's playing Austin coming out of that. Yeah. He's like dopey, like looking around. That's pretty funny. It's great. It's like,

what would you be like after a 30 year time? Yeah, I like that. And then there's like the penis pump jokes which is like, I get it. That's the Zucker. That's the airplane. movie. No, I got to tell you.

No, not at all. It was vulgar, but just because like, just the mugging. So dumb. He picked up the book and said one one book. Oh, man. Oh, yeah.

Swedish penis pump enlargers and me. This sort of thing is my bag, baby by one, Austin Powers. That's not funny. That killed me. Oh, yeah, well, you know.

I'm sorry. One man's art. Just because, just because it was the exact line. I think it's because you're a brazen man. That must be it. That really must be it. But I do love, I still love and laugh when he goes,

Danger's my middle name and looks at her. That I laugh so hard. Good, because that's the thing is there are times when he plays it subtle. And that killed me. And he does it twice, right? Well, he doesn't say it again. They give him a necklace. He gives him a necklace.

That's the male symbol. And he looks at her like, hmm. I think of that look even now. It's the best part. Because it's just, but I like that's where he's a comedic genius. Oh, his eye raises up. It's so funny. And for some reason, I think him trying to get that golf cart through the hallway.

Oh, sure. Still to this day, makes me laugh so hard. Me too. That was the biggest. He's so happy. He's like so like, he's like so nervous about it. That was the thing that I remembered the most from this movie being in the theater and really enjoying was that moment.

It's so funny. Dedicate that time. That's another thing I love about this movie. They are willing to dedicate time to a long con joke, which, you know, Usually in a comedy, you know, there'll be one of those or something, but you get the P thing, you get the turning the thing around. There's the dying Mustafa. There's another one or something.

Where they just like. Well, the steamroller with Michael McDonald's. That's funny too. And what I love it about it, and this first time I really sort of paid attention to it, because I used to, I think I used to just be laughing so much during it. I really wasn't listening. But like what I like about that is when they're cutting back to Elizabeth Hurley and Michael

Myers, I'm doing it too. cutting back to Well, you know, I want to respect for Mike Meyer, Michael Myers, Michael G. Myers.

When they're, uh, cutting back to Ms. Hurley and, and Mr. Myers, uh, they're,

they're both like, get out of the way. You gotta move. Like, they're both like trying to save him. That's so funny. Yeah. It's a slow.

What almost has that? That is straight up Zuckers. Yeah. I remember that, remember that, remember that, remember that, when he, like,

he just didn't. Do I ever. But remember he just like, the one thing he didn't want to do is hurt you or kill you. And I was like, Michael, Mike, Mike, M. Myers, Mr. Myers. Austin doesn't seem to want to kill anybody. Right.

I heard anybody. No. Even when, you know, when that guy gets his head eaten off by, what is it, passive aggressive trap? Seabass. Sea bass. Yeah, sad seabats. They're an aggressive string.

And he just goes, ew. Every time of violence happened, he goes, ugh. Well, that's a stuff. Gross. And I will say, a plot-wise, the plotting why, I think this movie is nice in the sense that it's a very, it's a very, simple, perfectly plotted story. 94 minutes. With a beautifully done sort of like arc.

I mean, you're talking like almost to the minute, it hits what you wanted to hit. It hits the, you know, act two is right where it's supposed to be. Act three is right where it's supposed to be. You know, his lowest of low is right where it's supposed to be. It's a beautifully simple story, which I think is key to this because it allows them to sort of put this crazy comedic frame on top of it. I agree. It leaves, it's such a simple plot that it leaves, although it's not simple, it's just economical, and it leaves time for the comedy to breathe. It was 94 minutes. I fit this thing in between two World Cup games. Yeah. Wow. Oh, nice. Yeah. It's, it's, well, it, this movie is a

comedy and straight up, and he doesn't turn it into an also action. You know how people later on genre blend? This is not trying in any level to create a new hero. You know, this is straight up. about jokes. I mean, it's the commitment to it is great. What's Bob's Big Boy about? I don't get that. Is that all just for the joke of having those guys say, Bob's Big Boy is great.

Yeah. I think. I know. Threw me for a loop. Bob's Big Boy was a big restaurant that. Back then? Well, in Burbank.

No, that's what I'm saying. I think it was gone around that time. So it was supposed to be like a throwback. That's why you'd have it in the 60s and not really. It kind of came back at one point. But there was a point where Bob's Big Boy was dead. Yeah. And that's why Clint Howard delivers the line.

Well, actually, sir, they've been serving That whole scene It was not into it all. I was like, oh, no. Also, if you watch that first- Oh, no, feed my goldfish, not too much. I thought, oh, I'm in trouble. The first time I watched it,

or the first time, the time I, last night watching it, rather, the last time I watched it, this time. That scene, if you watch him, the general, it's so choppy. They're cutting him up so much. I noticed that too,

that they would dissolve between his takes, That was interesting, right? You couldn't get the timing on him? It must have it. I like when he goes, I want to deceive you guys like we did back of World War II. W and WW2. That's pretty funny.

I like the joke when he goes, the Cold War is over. He goes, oh, we did it. A comrade. It's a fucking great joke. That's a fucking great joke. That's the thing, though,

there's some really highbrow, there's highbrow comedy in this. And then there's the Tom Arnold scene. Dude, it's such a bleak. Oh, okay. So, that I was laughing. You lit up like a Christmas. laughing out loud at that.

I had one, at first I, it turned to me. I went, oh boy, I remember this scene. This is dumb. And then when he says, you tell that turd who's boss. That's what this whole movie does is it turned to. It totally turned me. Who is number two work for? That's funny.

It's just like so funny to me because it's like, did they just sort of like go back and go, well, let's call Robert Wagner number two. Fantastic. Then we can have this scene. Or was it just the, it's like the Christmas Jones. When does it come? But I think that was one where they just took a look at Bond and when Specter's henchmen were named numbers,

oh, we got to do number two. They probably stayed away from it in Bond. Mike and his brother probably all, like their childhood had talked about who number two was. Right, right. It must be that. Number one. That's a bathroom scene where I'm going like,

all right, let's get through this. And then there's a point where it does become funny again, and that is the talent of Myers, is that he will make you laugh, use it up, and then bring it back. Yeah, and even when Tom Arnold said, what did you eat? It's like, okay, okay, that's funny. Because there's this dead henchmen in the toilet.

The look Tom Arnold gives, this is Tom Arnold, there's a four-year period of Tom Arnold where he's nailing yeah, true lies. True lies. And it's true lies in this one. And it's the look he gives back to Austin Powers where he's just like, what did you eat? Like, there's just a pride on his face.

He got that seat. Like when they put him in that. scene. He walked off the second going, I did that one. Oh, yeah. I nailed that. I bet he walked on second. I'm going to nail this one. I'm going to nail this one. I like the way Austin Powers. I don't know what the spy work. The blonde guy. The blonde guy. Oh, the blind guy. What the, what is that joke? Just for the joke. I don't know about that joke. I didn't see anything. Yeah. You didn't see anything. That's stupid. But, uh, yeah, I don't know if that was like. I like that awesome powers went to the bathroom to use the bathroom, not to do spy stuff. Like he actually goes to the toilet. He goes to look where of it. Yes. I know. sit on the toilet. He's not doing spy things. What's he going to do in there? He just went to the toilet.

There's like a... That's pretty funny. You know what? The whole, I'm going to... The whole Elizabeth Hurley on the phone with Mimi Rogers covering up Austin Powers' junk. Yeah.

It's just, we're sitting there watching this two-minute scene that is just this, the joke of how am I going to cover up the nudity. But also, you're getting this, like, backstory on Austin Powers during it. And I think that that's, I, for some reason, I forgot about those nudity things. Yeah, there's two of them. Well, then I remember, again, going into why the other movies, do they do more and more and more of the same sort of thing.

Well. Did, in this movie, do they, when he's with, when, what is this, the whole, uh, in Japan, Oh, that's a, you only look twice. Oh, yeah, twice. And then Osprey goes, and then Osprey goes, and the whole, uh, when he's with, sometimes not at all. Yeah. Did they say that in?

In Bond? Yeah. No. I thought in my head, right, me too. This movie made me think Sean Connery said that.

No, I think it's just Bonzon in Japan. Yeah. Men come first. But that's how, yeah, I remember that,

but in my head, I heard like, Tiger. I heard like, Trump Prime not at all. Yeah. He does say something.

He's something like I could get used to this or. Yeah. Yeah. I think that might be exactly what he says. Yeah. And then the layer reminded me

one time on tour again, the TV was on the bus and the spy who loved me was on and my friend and I sat down my drummer Christopher and we were laughing hysterically because it's a great movie but you know when

oozys are big or rocket launchers are big sure you do man the grenade world in Spy Who Loved me is insane we were laughing so hard we kept saying everybody grab your grenade grenades everywhere and every five seconds people are throwing grenades

there are grenades blowing up everywhere where people are grabbing grenades in a big crate and just throwing it and... That's funny. And this movie had that a little bit. A grenade and a Uzi. 60s are just machine guns in general. For real.

70s are grenades. 80s or Uzi's and rocket launchers. 90s would have been... 90s to me is sort of like... John Wu... Like sparks. 90s is the rebirth of the fancy handgun. You think so?

Yeah, maybe. Yeah, like the chrome or the gold or the whatever. I think it's like... Oh, like Romeo and Juliet. Sort of like... Romeo and Faye. Right, right. Oh, face off.

She's got a silver, Desert Eagle in this. Gotcha, I can see that. Last action hero, of course. And I think that it's funny because like, and then you go into, you have to also remember the re-invigoration of the AK-47-Henchantman.

Which I feel like might be timeless. Oh, for sure. When I was a kid, there was a thing called Entertech. Did you have that when you were a kid? Called what? Entertech. And it was basically, before they painted guns, like my Han Solo gun was black.

you know the toy there were these water pistols that were designed to look exactly like real machine guns that's right and they're called Entertack I remember this

the song was like feel so real sounds so real which is so insane so we had these things they were a battery operated yeah but if you play James Bond or you played any of these things

when you were a kid you had them and you literally looked like you had these guns Yeah. Well, it's like that, you know, that scene in Terminator 2 where Schwarzenegger's fixing the truck and he's looking over at the kids and then he asked John Connor, why do you always, why the humans kill themselves? Yeah. Why do they kill themselves, John? Holy shit, that's right.

Remember this? Did you have these, Matt? Yes. Oh, did you go early? Both mats? Yeah, I did. There was like a pump shotgun. There's the little snub, M16.

There's an RPG. There's, yeah, they're like tech nine. All the, all the guys. that are used now in horrible. You have the plastic molding has the nuts and the bolts and all the stuff. It was really crazy. There's also like a T&T detonator. What?

Oh, for like a water balloon or something? I don't know. That was like to refill it. Kind of cool. Yeah, there's an oozy one. It was easy for us to make little movies and stuff because we had those like, you know. Yeah. When I was in college, the way we would make movies, we'd have to order airsofts.

I wish we had those. Well, we did when I was in junior high. Yeah, we'd, Airsofts and then we'd have to. to paint the muzzles. Wow. Ours. That didn't happen until, like, for me in junior high and high school, when they started painting the orange muzzle, yeah.

Wow. God, it's crazy. By the way, nice of Susanna Hoff's find. I didn't know that was her. Oh, yeah. That's the first thing my eye goes to. I have a... I always goes to Zazza.

Oh, I love... I mean, there was a minute... I love that Rick, that 335. It's like so... There's a moment on tour where Silver Sun, we would... Before a show were in the... in like the dressing rooms and stuff there was a big bangles moment where we would just put them on

and like repeat them on and they're so great they're so good yeah so and i i for so going back to like dr evil i'm not liking him as much as i did awesome powers this time because what i remember like dr evil has the songs and all those sort of things i forgot that you know bbc song yeah too i could which he performed what you performed at the mjv movie awards that's when it looks like mike myers is is loving this. Yeah, because you can tell he just wanted to write that stuff and he's fascinated by this. And he's his moment to be this. Yeah. You know, and it comes across like, he's loving this. This is serious. This is a funny. I would genuinely love to do some, a series of very long interviews with Mike Myers, particularly about these three movies. Yeah. Because I have a joy for them

that I think is, I haven't really fully been able to express outside of the times that they were popular. Do you think he'll have a renaissance? Because he's trying to have. I think he can choose to. I think he can choose to if he wants. He's open to it like anybody else and I don't see how he wouldn't. Like, Austin Powers was one. But he also made... I know everybody loves Married and Axe Murderer and stuff, but I don't think it did really well.

Oh, so I married an ex-merderer. Yeah, it's great. I enjoy it. I really enjoy it. But, like, I have to say, like, with no... Look, I don't care. Judge me all you want. Okay.

Austin Powers gold member, I saw in the theater five times. I saw that during a back. bachelor party. That's what the guy getting married wanted to do. I dragged everybody for my birthday to see it in the theater for my second or third time. These will probably make me watch the rest of these. I'll give it a shot. You know what?

I don't want to judge because I haven't seen them, but I just remember them being sequally. Well, you know, the gold, but I think they were sequely in the, we know this is a sequely way. For instance, the opening of gold member. Well, I think it's 97 where they want it both ways where they're nodding at. Look how this is, we're doing this as a repeat, but also. I really want to do this as a repeat. Yeah, and I think that's, that's the,

if you can embrace that about Austin Powers, then you can embrace the entire franchise. Yeah, you do. And like, we were talking about Phantom Mass earlier. When the trailers came on, again, the little engine that could was Awesome Powers. By the time Phantom Mess came out, the trailers that opened up that movie.

And I remember, like, Lucas film and all those people, they had such clout that they demanded. They're like, you can do three. It's going to cost you this much money. It was the beach, which everybody booed at. everybody booed everywhere

and there was a rumor that Leonardo DiCaprio was in the man Chinese for Phenomenes and the beach everybody booed so much that he didn't want to play Anagan. That was a little rumor. Oh my God. It was like a silly rumor. I believe that rumor. Yeah. And then the second one was the spy who shagged me and people went crazy.

It was like the biggest thing ever. What was the third one? I don't remember the third one. I didn't know this. The uh, but gold number, I have to say, just as a kid of the 90s, a teenager of the 90s. who was in my, I was in my teens in the 90s. Oh, that's sad. I'm sorry, guys, you're very old. No, I'm just saying the 80s were so fun.

I know. I think these were fun. I know. Look, you know, the beauty. And we got a little of that 70s stuff on us. We got that 70s dust. I think the reason I get along with guys, particularly your age, like a lot of my best friends are 42 to 48.

Like, these are like my best friends. And it's because of, it's because of the fact that my siblings are all so much old. My siblings are all 40 to 48. Do you have any kind of, like, I have a, oh, how should I put this without getting a backlash? A slight disdain for the 90s that is a fault of mine, not of the 90s, because there is really good stuff from the 90s and really bad stuff. Start strong, nice. Like any decade. But it's all to do with where I was in my life.

So it's nobody's fault but my own. Do you have that for like the 2000s at all? I guess what I see is I see the nostalgia that's being touted from the 90s now. And I think a lot of that is worthless. And I look back at the 80s nostalgia and I try to as objectively as I can go like, well, but E.T. is good and Raiders is good. Oh, I see what you're saying. But honestly, I think there is a quality difference. I think like some of the stuff that people are nostalgic for at this point in time, I even go like, really?

We're going to do full house again. Are we doing full house again? Not at all. But is that because we're older? Is Space Jam good? That is a great question. The answer to that question is, it's fine. And I'm not taking anything away from it.

All these animators work really hard. I have some shitty nostalgia things that I like purely for nostalgia. But a lot of my nostalgia from the 80s, I think, does hold up somewhat. Not like view to a kill, it's not good. I love it. That's like a blind nostalgia, right? I'm with you on a view to a kill. It's great.

It's so good. It's so enjoyable. But it has to be nostalgia, right? No, I don't know because I can't have nostalgia for that because I do remember it. I didn't realize how it dumped on that movie was until later. I always thought it was like a big one. Me too. In fact, I was the first, how I found out about you guys was, I just started listening to podcasts,

and I was listening to How Did This Get Made, and my friend and I decided to go see it live for the first time, and the movie was a view to a kill. Oh. Oh, you saw us in full tuxedos. you guys in full tuxedos. I was talking about James Bond and bonding. And then, and I was from a super ego and things like that. Oh, yeah.

And I remember thinking, they're doing that movie. Oh, okay, I'll watch it. And I was like, I guess I got to tear it apart, right? Yeah. I watched it. And I was like, yeah, I get it. I see it.

This is weird, weird, but this movie rules. Yeah, it rules. And then you go, you and Paul. No, they were, but they loved it. They were right, but they're wrong. Yeah. It's like, it's true that stuff's going on, but it's, what is it? Grace Jones, I mean, it's everything.

You can't, you know, Grace Jones rules. Yeah. Zorn rules. That song rules, the score. Oh, we love it. And I'm with you, man. When I first heard Super Ego, I knew, because I listened to that tape all the time, I'm like, oh, this guy just put that damn rad music on.

It's so good. That, the music. Yeah. It's so good. So Vito Kilt Me works in all those levels. And I just don't see it as like a bonkers one. God. Because things get real bonkers.

Yeah. I love when we just, when June starts talking about the butterfly dance. Yeah. She's right, but she's totally right. It's absurd, but we can do that to every one of these movies. And then we start going off on the whole who builds the fucking dumb models. And then I forgot that in this movie. There's this joke.

You guys remember doing that episode? Tiny Factory. It builds months. Oh, right. Oh, that's right. Oh, we just totally pulled this thing around. I'm just like, oh, my God. Yeah, that's a good place to full circle this.

We got back to. Guys, I'm always here to bring us back to a task. That's right. You guys went on that bit about... Yeah. Well, just the idea... You know, the whole concept... That was so funny hearing you guys do that.

I barely remember that. The whole concept of this... Honestly, what I think I like the most about Austin Powers is that I'm watching this movie and I'm watching people who have a real sort of reverence for the same things I do. who love it enough to make fun of it. Yes, that's the thing. That's like when people take us to task for not liking an odd Bond movie here and there,

I think that's a misconception. It's like Mike Myers, like, if you love something, you deserve to make fun of its weaknesses a little bit, you know, and he's doing that in a loving way here. Yeah. Yeah. There are some preposterous things in Bond that are almost on the same level of parody as Austin Powers,

and he's really celebrating that. And I love that. And they are sometimes, too. Bond. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. The Moore, I mean, it's obviously not as winky. And Dimeson.

Forever. Zero, Brosnan winks. No, I know. Think about the, like, the HQ setup. When they scroll across the screen, temporary headquarters British intelligence. Funny. Yeah.

And they go in there and they do the whole, you think you're going to watch this whole Q scene. And they reveal that here's the toothpaste, and he guesses what they are. and they go, no, you just have terrible tea. That's a good one. And then when they are needing to use the gadgets, they are just dental floss and toothpaste.

Pretty funny. Oh, that's right. I never put that together. He uses the things as though they are gadgets, but they are just functioning. I did not even put that together. That's pretty fun. That's pretty awesome.

Two questions. One, who was making fun of this sort of thing before this? You know? Making fun of Bond? Yeah, like who were the big? I know there's a lot of spy. Yeah, in like Flynn. Like, Dr. Yeah.

An Arman Flynn. Even Casino Royale 67. No, but you know, like the movie tropes and the thing is like, is this the first one? Dr. Dr. Evil, the first one to do the monologing and hey, why don't you just shoot him? Oh. Like as a self-conscious kind of thing?

What year did Spy Hard come out? Right. Because I feel like Spy Hard might have been first to the gay, but that's a background. There had to have been some ones before this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If this did invent that, Yeah, I think Spyheart is a little bit, they're first to that sort of,

the genre of it, but Spy Heart was... And naked guns not doing it, right? No, no, naked guns making fun of cop shows. But Spy Hard is making fun of... Wasn't there a monologue... I do feel like there was a monologue, villain monologuing things like that? Yeah.

Because I remember when Seth Green says, just shoot them. Yeah. I thought, have we gone here before? I know. Because now it seems so obvious and the joke seems so tired, but if this is the first time...

Yeah. That's pretty funny. Right. It had to have been talked about, right? But it's certainly like... With superheroes monologuing too bad, like the joke, you know. It's done really well. I mean, we haven't even talked about the late great Carrie Fisher popping up.

She's not in the credits. Oh, really? No. Yeah, she did it on, you know, she just popped by. Oh, she's so good. She's so good in it. I know. She's so good at everything.

Listen to the words he's used. That's pretty funny. And I also... Sometimes it feels like we want to take over the world, right? Like, it's like this... I feel like she's, this is her time in her life when she's an author and probably running therapy sessions herself or taking. She looks great. Yeah. Yeah. It's really, she's so nice to see her. I like that Dr. Evil liquidates them. He's like, I killed them all. Yeah. Yeah. And those darkness, it doesn't get too dark. No. And so I like when I was like, why he murdered all those people. Yeah. I have a gun. Like when Seth Green's like, I have a gun in my room. That's funny. Go get it. Oh, funny thing. I love it. time he opens his door to come see his dad or every time Scott comes out you hear this generic 90s grand he's just like such a I don't care man I'm so glad to revisit these movies because

anything in that 90s period I probably did not give a fair shake and I look back and it's funny how stupid movie like this can do self-examination and you can go like I had a movie like this probably a little wrong as I did almost everything in life at that point. Yeah. Well, you know, I was just, but what I was going to say before about Goldmember, the thing that like, because of how old I am and how I grew up, like watching fucking HBO real sex, like whenever those were on, like Real Sex 26 or whatever, like when I see gold, when I saw Gold member and he's that fucking German swinger that you've seen 17 times in real sex. You mean the Dutch, his, his, Do you mean gold member?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, because he does that really specific Dutch accent. Yeah, he does this. Yes, I'm sorry. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. And that whole run of Michael Kane just hating the Dutch. Yeah. I'm not racist except the Dutch.

That runs very amazing. Michael Kane's great in that movie. That movie's, I'm going to say, I'm going to go out on a limb right here and say that movie is very funny. I haven't seen it. I probably haven't seen it since 2007. Wow. So I'd be a very interesting. interested in watching that. I guess do we do episodes on the next ones? Do we do do shag me and then?

But we also got to get back to Indiana Jones. Oh guys get back Indiana Jones. Well I think Indiana Jones and we're going to be done with Bond in a second. He used to Star Wars up and Star Wars Hit. And then I think here's my pitch everybody listening. Okay. You know, why don't you be this audience? I'm going to. Okay. This isn't something we want to handle off air. Don't you think they want to or you don't want opinions? Well I'm because you and I've talked about this briefly like there might be a small break we could take. No. See, we're going to talk about this in front of the children. You know what, children?

This is not a discussion for you, but Brian will be sitting in. Now the kids are nervous what the parents are doing. I'm willing to have it. Okay, I do. Yes, I definitely think that you guys should have a real sex podcast. I think that's going to be great. Can you just, how do you watch this? Taxi cab confessions.

What did you think of it? What do you think of this student show? So gross. So gross. Dude. I was so turned. show and high death. I was so insanely and I felt like I would have been the right person. I should have been into it. You were young and having sex. It was neither educational nor titillating.

Horrifying. It was the worst down the middle grossness. Yes. Have you ever wondered how your grandparents keep it interesting? Oh, God. Are they having a drum circle slash thumb circle? But that character, that's exactly it. That's exactly it, right? So that character, that character of gold member, the Dutch fucking swinger. You have a sink in here. I need to wash my hands. I understand. So perfectly nailed it. I found it so fucking funny. What are we going to pitch? Let's hear it real quick. You can edit it out.

I'm listening. Here's my pitch because we have, I hate to break this to Mr. Matt Goreley. I would look at the time code right now. Ooh, 131 and 55 seconds. Just in case you have to cut this. It's one of the shorter ones. We'll cut off some of the beginning.

We have ads sold through the middle end of September. Are you kidding? I'm not kidding you. I looked at it the other time. Not just in mid-rella. mid-roll internals, not just like Air Wolf internal? Like actual ads.

We do? Like money ads. Wait, now there's... Now they're selling. So, follow up to that. I guess. Well, that means on how he feels. Well, that means we're kind of committed to it.

Right. So here's what I'm saying. If we're committed to doing this podcast, I think there's a simple solution here. What? And it's to do Austin Powers for three weeks right now. Yeah, Indy Star Wars. Indy, so we do Austin Powers.

We're going to be done with James Bond. next week. Well, not quite, because we still haven't done never say never again. We should do everything or nothing. Okay. We're not going to be done as soon as I think we're done. Yeah. But I think when we run out of actual.

James Bond Jr.? No, stop it, everyone. I don't remember that at all. We both never really enjoyed watching that or watched it. No. I remember the action figures. It's also like, is he the nephew, but why is he a junior? No.

And who, where is his brother? How did he get a brother? Yeah. Is it like, did Tracy have a sister? We don't know? Is it like Godzilla's little. Kid Godzilla? Gonsuki?

Matt, what are you looking at here? July 10th, there's nothing sold. Oh, look at the year. Look at the year. Look at the ads for the year. If you go, this is crazy that we're doing this right now. Yeah.

Go to payments. Go to... The people to know that they are looking at their computer. Oh, future. Go to click on future. Matt Gurley just opened up a safe. Something, I see fuzzy. I see some crazy things in there right now.

Square space. Oh, that's just in the month. Looks like he has a gold revolver. So maybe we'll take the weeks off where there is an ad. Interesting. I don't know, whatever. Because I just feel like we could use a little breather and refresh. Oh, we can go to every two weeks, sure.

Because also there's going to be a little bit of a dearth of information coming in, but then the bond information is going to come. Hard and fast. 25 is going to start coming. I'll ask you guys about that. Yeah. So this is your special, this is your special podcast right here, the behind the scenes of, there you go. This is it.

No, this is the episode. you guys need to make. Just you guys discussing how you're going to plan these out. We got a lot to talk about. We're even talking about doing a Patreon with some special character stuff and everything like that. So we'll see. There'll be more bonding to come, but maybe...

What's the pitch? Yeah. My pitch, so... Well, my pitch was the following. So we do... We do the... We do Austin Powers every other week right now. I think you should do that.

I mean, there's two more of those. And then in the in-between weeks, we... flip to Indiana Jones. And then once we're out of Austin Powers, we then flip in Star Wars. I like that. I can't wait to hear your Temple of Doom one because I find amazing how much hate that movie

Gives. And I love it. I love it too. It's so good and it's so I still think it's better than the third because the third's trying to romanticize the first and two was just like I'm on my own train. Oh man. The music is so insane. You know what I mean? I love that movie. I got such a nostalgia for that.

People rag on that one. Yeah, if that's one where people who are 10 years older than us would go, what are you talking about? That's a shitty movie. I hear that a lot about the Goonies that people older than me are like, come on, that's not a good movie. But for me, two years older. Do you what I mean? Yeah.

Like, if I have a friend that's two years older than me. That's funny because I'm one year older than you and I like it. You're on the cusp. Yeah, but I like it. But you're probably a year away from not. Like back to future, everyone's sold. Maybe, but that movie spoke to me. And that was the same summer as View to a Kill.

And I was building shit like. data. Wait, wait, wait, wait. It was. And back to future? Oh, I'm sorry, I meant Vue to a Kill. Oh, no, Vue to a Kielnheel. Wasn't Goonies 85? Maybe. I'll check. Yeah, I had to, 86. Really? No, maybe 85. 85. Back to the future. Because I remember that summer. So back to future of Vita will kill. So the year before that was Ghostbusters and Gremlins. Wow. And Van Halen, 1984. Oh, what? I've heard a bit. Yeah. All right, let's, let's ask you real quick. If you, if you, if you, if Austin Powers now,

if another person came out now, this is my second question. And they had to, they were going to do a spoof and all they had was Daniel Craig's. Like what would be those tropes and things? You know? You know what I've never seen

a Johnny English movie? I haven't either. So I'm curious. You think that's what it would be? It might be, honestly, it might be. Didn't they just do a new one? I don't know. Matt, I don't know.

Do these new movies have these? Spoofs don't exist, by the way. Do they have spoofable things? things they must right? Spoofs don't exist anymore and if they do they are direct

to video on demand like I saw something was recommended to me on Amazon Prime after I rented this and it was a movie called Tukin and I was like

what is that that must be a parody of all the Taken movies they'll come back though yeah because scary movie came out I remember thinking

wow this is back like this whole airplane airplane yeah yeah it was the lampoon and I didn't want anything to do no I didn't

What was wrong with me at the 90s? I don't know. You're young and you got to fire up. Were you just so sullen? Like you weren't into comedy at that point? I was actually more outgoing. I was super extroverted in the sense that I was very social. Like now I'm a little bit more reclusive.

Exactly. But I was very like, and I don't mean this in a good way, like life of the party. You know, like where I would just get engaged in a social thing. I know what you mean. And outgoing and ready to me. single and and uh but probably also ready to to willing to deconstruct things i mean we have a podcast now to do this so it's it's warranted on a podcast but probably unasked for versions well you know young men in their 20s are in my mind insufferable over that i think that's where

you're coffee at caros like what were you where were you doing this oh you name it i think i don't know maybe not but i don't know i think that's what happens though and i think if you're someone just if you like everybody likes music and movies right in the beginning in the beginning when the world was created everyone loves movies and music no but you know in school they all love it and then as you get into college people like it but then they're fine with what they know you know and some people now love it you know and we start twisting and we need new things and you're you're 20 so you are insufferable but this is your time where and where you're going to find out about all these things and it's like I'm going to listen to

pavement now. You know what I mean? I had less tolerance for things that were outside of my taste, which is ridiculous. I did too. I did too, but I feel like you circle back to it. Yeah. I feel like these things push me, even like eating pallets and things like that. Remember, this was the time where you just were so specific about all your things.

You'd actually argue with people about stuff. And now there's no way you do that. And you're much more open and you're much more soft to everything. But I'm so glad I went through a lot of that because I still have the knowledge of those things. I guess. They splintered me into knowing about movies and knowing about things. And now I sort of bring it back to... You know, it's interesting.

I feel the same. I feel like I had a very specific taste, which I still think I have. I like it. But I didn't have a sense that taste was subjective. Exactly. And that's exactly right. Now I get it. And nothing has showed me that more than Bond because the thing that I love about Bond is that

you can all like different versions of the bond and they're just as valid. and like when I'm knocking on tomorrow never dies and someone knocks on view to a kill, I get it completely. Yeah. You're 20. What those things are, what those things are, you think that's your identity. Yeah, exactly. And you think people are smashing on your identity.

And now I don't care. And it goes back to that toxic fandom of Star Wars and stuff that you like, just because you like something doesn't give you any entitlement toward it whatsoever. I think that's the way it sort of has to be. And I think for us, even in my band, for, being around so long. We already had that sort of brain space about ourselves. And so we were sort of like we're doing our thing.

And if you're not into it, cool. There's like a million other bands over there. Go listen to them. We're just going to do this. And whoever wants to follow it. You know, it kind of, it doesn't matter. It's so funny. Because if you create something, you know, do you really care if somebody doesn't like it?

Because someone else will. You shouldn't be. Amanda and Maria are starting a female podcast network. They're great. They're the best. They're the greatest. And that slipped out the other day. And someone on a forum, someone showed me that was like, why does this need to happen?

And that argument right there to me blew my mind. Like it affects you zero, whether this is made or not, if you're not going to listen to it. So why are you taking energy to, like, it doesn't even, you don't even need to ask if it needs to happen. I mean, I think you can make a strong case that it does. But why is that even a factor? all you have to do is not listen to it if you're interested in. Why does this need to happen? That's always the funny thing.

But him asking that question was the strongest case for why this needs to have. Exactly. Exactly. It's crazy. It is pretty funny. And I like I listen to you guys. I listen to every one of these things. In fact, this podcast kind of...

We get you through the night. Well, yeah. No, before an album comes out with us, my bass player, Nikki and I usually spend about a month, a little over a month. flying all over the place, playing in stores for people, which we enjoy, and sometimes doing corporatey things, like for Amazon and some things that are fun and some things that are like, whoa, whoa. And there's, you know, I like playing acoustic things for people because we get to actually meet people and people who listen to us are generally nice and open to things.

But this, my son was just born, and we were going to, way a lot and they were traveling. So it was so much like travel and so much hotel. And I started listening to this podcast. And there's this thing. And I think especially early Stern fans know, there's a meditative quality to how they spoke to each other that you couldn't explain to people.

And podcasts sort of have this. And you guys sort of have this. And I liked James Bond a lot. But then I became like, oh, yeah. I really liked James Bond. I was telling him I was going to talk about. And I just like hearing people talk. Yeah.

And so I'd listen to it a lot in the hotel. hell room and just get on the next one and I got everybody on board I was like hey let's theme this this promo tour James Bond like what do you mean I'm like why don't we just talk about James Bonn and in the car we'll just never every time we're in a moving vehicle I got my tour manager involved we just go down the theme songs oh and so we just kept doing it and everybody got on board and it's kind of fun and we do stuff and it saved me in this one particular moment where Nikki and I this was the thing where they weren't even pretending what this was is with Apple iTunes.

We go into this room and it's like a room smaller than this. I mean, your room's so small. I'm so sorry. I mean, we are arm. No, no, no. Is this room? And like the main iTunes guys

just sit on the couch and Nikki and I are on a couch and they're like, and I remember going, oh, what is this? Like, I can't, you know? Yeah. So I did a song and they clapped

and I said, don't clap. Let's not clap. Let's just all know what this is. And I said, where's bond villain? And then a guy said something. The guy's like, no, no, it's this guy. And then they started talking.

I started talking back to them. Yeah, and then you had something. Best Bond song, worst bonds, best Bond song. And then, like, one of the main iTunes guys, you could tell from like, I can tell from doing these things, who's the boss? And if I can pick on the boss a little bit, you see these guys giggle. Yeah. And the guy, the main guy goes, well, everyone knows the worst is Duran Duran.

And these guys erupted, no, you're crazy. And I said, you're running iTunes. You were in trouble, you know? Brook the ice of this. this whole awful moment. Amazing. The guy running iTunes thinks that the Durandah is the worst. Yeah.

And then some guy yelled, it's Madonna, you know, and it got this whole thing going and I got through that. Yeah, that is, that if,

I'm happy we did this podcast for that. It is Madonna. It has to be. It's a, right? Come on. It certainly isn't really cool. Oh,

then the thing that was fun about it is that we were really good friends with Sam Smith's publicist. Oh. And we were going to end this part going into her office. When we came back to Los Angeles, she was going to secretly play us the song. Before it came out?

Yeah. So it was going to be this thing like my tour manager and my bass player and I and a radio person end it with a special treat after listening to the music over and over and over again, going and hearing the new Sam Smith song. But we didn't do that. Well, still, just the promise of it. But isn't that fun?

Yeah. So this whole thing inspired that to turn that thing into something fun and it was fun to what get everybody on board. Yeah. And James Bond does that because everybody has these sort of stories and I could say that and a guy could say something and people react to him. Yeah. It's like going to see Spector was so much fun because at the Arklight Bar, which is one of my favorite bars, to me it's like Star Tours. But instead of like going to different planets, people have just come out of different movies and they talk and I love it.

My wife says if there was like a heaven, it would be sitting at the Arklight Bar hearing people talk about movies coming in there. You're going to go see Hereditary? Oh, watch out. good luck in there you know last time it was there Tarantino sat down and the book next to us amazing wow and what the fuck was he was talking about a movie he really enjoyed him oh baby driver oh yeah he was talking about

he was that makes sense I love that stuff but I remember specter part of the fun of it was we all left it and this and it was the opening night and everybody in that bar is talking about no but the opening scene in moon raker this and that everybody is having huge conversations and this is just the longevity of this thing and so at the end of the day, you can, like, I think Spector was one of those movies that everybody loved too much

in the beginning. And I think everybody likes it too less. It's much better than people think. You know, it's got great parts in it. Bond is really something that you can, you can talk to people anywhere, anytime about Bond, even if they don't know much about Bond. Like Molly on the podcast last week was a great guess because she didn't know. She was great. And it's just as valid an opinion for someone to come to Bond today, having not seen it, or to go like, why do I know this trope or something? I didn't realize it comes from here. So there's some. And, and it's just as valid an opinion. And it's, something for everyone to talk about Bond, even if they're not steeped in it. Why does it have to exist?

Why does it have to exist? But unlike Star Wars characters change and all these long-time movie franchises, this is the same guy, even though it's a different character. Yeah. And I think it would be really rare to have somebody with no knowledge in any level whatsoever, even from their family or anything, and to be completely not an understanding. They would have to have, I can see no man. They would have to have never seen.

It would be impossible. They would have to have never seen Jason Boren, all these things. So it's different. Wait, I want to pitch something before we wrap this up. And we talked about this briefly. Let's say when we get through the movies proper, Casino Royale, Quantum of Salis, and even never say never again, we do that thing that we talked about with James Bladen. And we do a...

Oh, we do the mixer? This is a marathon podcast, maybe three to four to five hours, where we have a cocktail person come over make cocktails from the Bond movies and any past guest is welcome to come by at any time and just knock on this back door. No way, really? And just stop in whenever they want, have a drink and stay as long as you want or come and go. Careful what you wish for, buddy. Yeah, well, we're inviting you now. I am coming. I'm window to start. We have to put it together, but if that, doesn't that sound fun? Yes. Yeah, it does. Okay. Sounds crazy. Okay. It'll be a good time. We'll get shit hammered. I was going to bring martinis today, but I thought, oh, you know what?

10 a. It's 10 a.m. Yeah, but that's my speed, man. I'm a dad. And you said 10 a.m. I went, great. What am I going to do for the other two hours in the morning? I know.

Same. All right, let's rate this movie on a scale of 0-0-0-0-0-0-7. To $1 million. That's funny. Like, that joke is funny. I think Ready Player 1 has a joke that made me laugh because it was so strange when the guy goes, and then you're going to win a million, a trillion dollars, some weird little thing. Anyway.

I'm going to, let's see. Who's going to rate it first? I have to think about it. Compared to Bond? I don't know. That's a good question. Here's how I think we should rate this particular film. Yeah.

How successful is it at what it's set out to do? Mm-hmm. Hmm. Yeah, because you can't really compare it to anything. I, for that, I'm going to go 00-06. Double-six? Yeah. As far as like a comedy?

Yeah. If you're going to watch it without any history to it, maybe double, 205.5. Hold on. I think you're dropping it. I think you're dropping it. I think it's,

I think this is, I think it's 007. Executed almost perfectly. I think so too. All right, I'll do 006. I'm going to double seven as far as saying, is it trying to do,

is it doing what it wants to do? A thousand percent. Yeah. Like I can't see where they. No, no doubt. But it's doing what it wants to do 100 percent. Is it effective?

I'd say 90. I just, I think it's, 95% I think it's 95%. I think it's better than almost day. I'm giving it a 006.5. I'll give that then. Yeah, being a little too.

I got the eager newness and be like, hey. This is fun guys. 007, it's for everyone. Hey, uh, should we tell Brian he's not invited to that big? Oh shit. Oh, I already knew. I mean, but we're having it at his house. Yeah.

Oh, no problem. It's fine. We'll just pick a weekend when he's out touring. I'm having a Thomas Crown Affair party earlier. Shit, okay. It's so awesome. Pierce Brouson's coming. We show up and it's, and it's, oh, Steve McQueen.

Oh, man. Well, Brian, tell us where people can find you, what you've got going on, your great band. Thanks. We're basically starting recording our album in a couple weeks. A fifth album, so we've just been writing a lot, and we're doing it with this guy, but you think that we really love. If you guys are going to, anybody who likes us listening to this, is the first time you're hearing that. But you love the guy.

He's lovely person. Oh, wow. We're breaking news right there. Yeah, oh, wow. Silver Sun News. That's right. What of the people responsible for the famous? talk to the world is not enough. Now, why do we need another album? We don't. Yes, you too.

No, we don't. There's no reason for another album. That's what I always say. I think that to keep, you get to make sure your bands are humble, I always go, hey, every band that goes up and thinks they deserve something, even back when we were just playing clubs and stuff and bands got up there and like, I deserve this. No one deserves anything. You should be lucky because if there was a law that said, all new music must end, we have enough old music to keep us going, that people haven't heard forever. Oh, right. Right.

You know? Yeah. So it's just like... That's an interesting point. That's a very good philosophical way to approach why you should make music. Yeah. Not just because you're supposed to. Right.

Yeah. People always ask us about albums. People always ask us about albums. Because we don't have a big team around us. We've always been like very self-contained. Yeah. And people go, when are you going to make a record? Is it every three years?

Every four years? I go, I don't know, whenever it's time. That's good. That's kind of how we are in Super Ego, too. Yeah. Where, you know, as long as it's fun and working. Yeah, you're ready to do it. Yeah.

But thanks for inviting me. It was a real pleasure, guys. Thank you, Brian. It was a pleasure to have you, and I hope you come back to our marathon cocktail soiree. Uh-huh. So, with that, all right. James Bonding. We'll return.

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