James Bonding - Bonus: Special Edition-ing The Bond Films

Episode Date: August 14, 2024

What if George Lucas - but a thoughtful and measured George Lucas - special-editioned the Bond Films? What would he ‘fix?’ Well, the Matts, along with their Man In The East, Phil Nobile Jr., sit down to name their top 10 elements of the 007 franchise that could use a little tweaking. No Han shooting first here, just careful and considered wishful thinking. Enjoy.No Good About Goodbye with Quantum titlesDeleted OHMSS scene pictures Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Matt and Matt and James Bonding Podcasts. Welcome to James Bonding. My name is Matt. My name is also Matt. We are joined by our man in the east. Phil Nobill. Welcome back. Thank you, sir. Ah, so good to have you. No kidding. It's not enough to just have you once a season, you know? Special record here.

Yeah. I appreciate you guys hustling, putting me, you know, putting it together in time for my visit here. That's the least we could do. Appreciate that. In fact, I'm going to be in Philly in a month or so. I might check in with you there, too. We'll do a little pocket recording. And maybe there will be a title for Bond 25 by then.

Oh, yeah. I don't know. We're saying what today's date is, but it's April 10th today. I don't think. Yeah, yeah. I don't think you do not have a damn type. I read all about the big K-pop scandal that I think would make a great James Bonding title. The scandal has a name.

Tell it. Burning Sun. Whoa. Yep. I'm on board. Not bad. For the scandal or the title? Weirdly, the scandal is more interesting.

But Burning Sun, I love it. That would have been a great name for the man with the golden gun. Solex device could have been called the Burning Sun. Well, there's Colonel Sun, which was the unfinished Fleming novel, which I still have not read. And I plan to get to this summer for some light summer reading. Yeah. Yeah. And then what else?

there was another thing that needed the sun. Dynar the day's weapon also needed the sun. Thanks to Colonel Moon. Sun and Moon. I never put that together. Listen, today is a very special episode in that it is a special edition episode. In other words, our top 10, each of us, moments that we would George Lucas special edition. In other words, quote, unquote, fix them.

Now, you can argue whether Lucas was fixing them or not. I think most people would say he wasn't. It was not. But ours, in the careful, considered hands of these three guys, we might offer 10 fixes each. We can try. For the whole franchise. We're looking at a possibility of 30 fixes for the James Bond franchise. I think there might be some serious crossover.

Before we get started, is there anything we need to talk about with Bond 25? Any news updates? Did you watch the spoiler footage? I did. Yeah. You sent me the picture. Yeah. I looked at it.

We won't say what it is directly, maybe, but... No. We can time code this. Best case scenario, it's a flashback. That's the best case scenario. That would also make sense of it being set in the 80s if you know what I'm talking about. Correct. Oh, look, there's a strange cat.

There's a large cat walking past the studio right now. This guy comes in and Margo flips out when she sees him. Oh, oh. Something's up. I just caught something. I love that guy Ball's the size of plums So Bon 25

What we know is that Carrie Fukunaga is in Italy right now They posted a picture of him Location Scouting I didn't see that Called I believe Matara Yeah Mataa Norway is filming

Right And and every Nobody knows anything But they're like Norway's the pre-tittle sequence Italy is the pre-tidal sequence We don't know what the pre-tetal sequence is Right

I don't think Do you buy in the Shatterhand title? No not at all Just a working title No, it just seems to... Do you like it as a name? It's been a fan title for about 10 years now,

and it's pulled obviously from the novel, You Only Live Twice, and it's an alias for Blofeld. And I don't think we're seeing Blofeld in this movie. I don't think that we are. Although the bringing Swan back really muddies those waters, and I wouldn't want to bet a ton of money on it. What if she's just in one scene playing golf in his apartment?

With Blofeld. Well, sure. He's adopted both of the kind of pet. I like Shatterhand as a title. It also falls well on the heels of Skyfall, Specter, Shatterhand. But don't you think, don't you want him to have just a real mouthful of a title on his way out the door? Yeah. Everybody got a real, you know, long one somewhere in there.

Right. Quantum of Solace was kind of his mush mouth title. It was the best, yeah, it might be the best we can do. Yeah. I think if you want to, if Swan's heavily involved and it's going the way we think, all the time in the world is a pretty good title. for Bon 25. That is good. And it's meta because it's so fucking long to make the movie.

Yeah. I did think of that. That's good. Yeah. I don't know if they'll go that Pallackie, but. Do you think they do a, like another version of that song? Who could do it besides Louis Arsrock? But you turn it into something totally different.

And not necessarily the title song, although it wouldn't be a very good title song. It's a little too jaunty. Yeah. Hmm. Iggy Pop did it with David Arnold. You should look at that one. It's a fun little cover. Well, there you go.

Yeah. I don't know. Did I tell you guys that I met Daniel Craig last fall? You teased it in an email. Now, you two have both met Daniel Craig. Yep. I have a cousin named Daniel, so we're all looking pretty good. You've eaten at Craig's.

That's right. Here you go. And your experience? I can share it with you guys because I think you would get it. So my buddy Noah is filming knives out with him in Boston, and he invited me up, and I dropped everything and went up there. This is Ryan Johnson's new noir. film, right?

And I literally had to look at all my clothes and make sure I wasn't bringing anything from the Bond movies. I don't understand why you would do that. He loved that. No, I don't. You just couldn't bear it to have him. I bought shoes that weren't in a Bond movie so that I would have non-Bond shoes to meet him with. And it was very weird. What did you wear a Speedmaster instead of a C-master?

We're going to just get rid of it. We're going to put this right there. I'm not going to break anything else in this house. I did not bring a bond-specific watch. Right. But we did end up talking watches. Of course. Which was cool, because he was wearing a vintage...

Talking watches. Omega DeVille as part of his wardrobe. Seems like that kind of thing. I feel like he writes these into... I feel like he writes these into his contract. What was adorable was he was telling me all of the production woes as if I didn't know this stuff up and down already. Bond production was?

Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, the top note stuff of what we had Danny Boyle and Danny Boyle left and we'll have to see what Carrie's got. and and I'm just nodding politely. We'll have to see what he's got? Like, you mean, like what kind of? It gets weirder. Wow.

I said, I made some comment because at that time, the opening, the release date was February 14th, 2020. And I said, well, my wife and I know what we're doing on Valentine's Day 2020. And he was just dumbstruck and was like, yeah, I think maybe, maybe it's done by then. They'd announced it as the release date and he didn't, he didn't know when it was coming out. Wow. Well, I think he's just a reasonable human being who understands. that the fact that he was talking to you in Boston and not shooting a James Bond movie meant it was probably not going to get done in time. Wow, maybe.

I love that you're out there in the field. You're not just our man in the east. You're our man in the field. We're these two M sitting behind microphone desks while you're out there getting some shoe leather worn down. I love it. Totally. It couldn't have been a nicer experience. And, you know, Noah, I'm going to give Noah a shout out because Noah said, you can be the guy that asks for a picture or you can be the guy that has the authentic exchange with him.

and so I didn't like say can I get a picture Oh I completely agree Same way You opted correct This is Noah Segan Of course He was on I was there too For two episodes in a row

Indeed And it was just a cool thing But then his security guard Started blabbing locations to me That hadn't been public at the time And what was one of them? The Caribbean and Italy Neither of those have been announced

And is the Caribbean happening? Yep They're going to Jamaica And I don't think that they are The sad part is I don't think it's I think it's standing in for something else. Oh. Yeah.

That's a rumor that I heard on the, on the internet. But Jamaica, I've heard from several sources since. Your little spiders out there. He's the Veris. Lord Veris. But I think that in the last couple of weeks, there's just been this trepidation about whether it was even happening. But I think, you know. The Caribbean was even happening?

No, no, 25. Everybody's waiting for, because Carrie Fukunaga tends to drop out of things. drop out is a kind There's not any more news that it might not happen No no I'm saying finally with filming in Norway happening And with seeing Fukunaga location scouting in Italy I think we can sort of Yeah count on it happening

Well they're rolling on this thing That rolling but Craig hadn't flown out yet It's my understanding it was second unit stuff happening in Norway But they always kind of start with some second unit stuff So we're okay guys As of now This will probably be a couple weeks delayed But today's what April 10th

I predict that this Bond 25 will be the longest James Bond movie running time was. Even more than Spector. Yeah, I feel like there's so many cooks in this kitchen. Or Casino Royale. And I feel like they're going to want to send him off in a way that makes everybody happy, meaning everybody involved in the production. And this room. That they will be hard pressed to cut things that they probably should have cut.

And we'll end up with a very long. movie. I'll take it. That's a bummer. I'm sorry. But you know it how you can fix that? Well, I sure can. It's the reverse of a director's cut. It's George Lucas's cut. It's a special edition. Let's get into it, shall we? We've each chosen 10 moments in the Bond franchise that we would fix, alter, cut, add whatever you need to do, sky's the limit, something to make something better in the Bond series. Now, this is the most perfect franchise mankind has ever known in the history of earth and God and the heavens above, but it doesn't mean it can't be fixed a little bit. Okay.

When you said sky's the limit, I wanted to just point out that I did give myself a limitation to it was only stuff that you could actually go into an editing room and do. Oh, interesting. I didn't, I didn't say, Sean Connery in on Her Majesty's Secret Service. No, no, no, it's not, no, same for me, but it's things that could have existed in the real world that could be realistic fixes. Now, that could be with computers or a time machine. time machine, right?

The technology available to me now. I can just finally get the things done that I know Guy Hamilton really wanted to do, but just the technology wasn't there. For instance, you could theoretically do a Daniel Craig reshoot on something, but you obviously couldn't with the others because it wouldn't work, you know? Interesting. All right. Okay.

All right. Mine's maybe a little more grounded than that. Well, mine is too. I'm just saying in case anybody really wants to jump out there. In fact, my first one is very grounded. Should I start? Who should start? And you're going in like reverse order of what you want to see happen?

Yes. This is your 10th most wanted change? The number one would be the one that we most want. I feel like number one will be interesting. Yeah. All right. Because most of mine are a little silly. But, you know, towards the top, it's like, well, they really, we should figure this out.

I bet you this number. I'll go first because I think my number 10 is probably on one, if not both of your lists. and that is short and sweet a real thorough trimming of Thunderball just getting it tighter getting it neater streamlining it kind of upping the pace a little bit

now I don't like to mess with people's films and I don't think you should these are all like don't do this at home kind of things I don't think you should go do this necessarily I don't want to watch some fan edit of Thunderball no I don't either I'm just saying in a perfect world this movie would have come out or that Terrence Young goes back

and does it, you know, or did it at the time. There's a version of this that's on my list as well. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And I think it's mostly relegated to them being a little too in love with the underwater stuff. Exactly. That's most of what I'm talking about.

That's exactly what you would cut from. I think everything, when he's breathing oxygen out of the air and not a rebreather, there's, there's, everything's great. You know, I'm watching every scene. I'm enjoying all of it. He goes underwater really slows down to a point of, like, everything's, you know, In every way. While I like a 40-minute nap, I'd rather not do it while I'm watching a James Bond movie. You guys recently even have been vocal about this being your least favorite to rewatch,

and is it just about the underwater stuff? Because it is a pretty leisurely movie. It's a great movie. I enjoyed it a little bit more the last time we watched. I think it's a hangout movie. Like that whole spa thing that's happening, it really takes its time to even send him out on a mission. Yeah. Look, that make gloves scene alone.

Hello. It's not on my list, but. I would probably make that 14 minutes longer if I'm losing 40 minutes out of the underwater stuff. That's fair. All right. Phil, why don't you go next? All right.

With the acknowledgement that that was also one of mine. Oh, yeah. We were supposed to wait if they had a double. Wait, that was one of yours as well, the underwater cutting? Wow. Yeah. Guys, great. Well, from now on, if speak up if someone says one that you have coming later and we'll wait until.

I don't know. I feel like this one worked out just fine the way you did it. Okay. Should we, we could go movie by movie. And I could be like, we could go, doctor now. It's too late. We've already ranked these 10 to 1. Gotcha.

Gotcha. Gotcha. Can't. Well, this is a whimsical one. I'll put a 10th because it's not crucial, but I would canonize never say never again. Wow. It's Connery is Bond. You can't just put that off the shelf and say it doesn't count.

Connery is Bond and that's a Bond film. I would put a gun barrel on there. I would put some James Bond theme music in there. I'd probably leave the rest of the rest of it. of that Herb Alpert nonsense in there because I don't like messing with history too much. Or the Tijuana Brass. Fair. They'll come at you.

They are a surly bunch. But I would love to have that officially accepted into the canon. I would and I would want Barry music in there if possible. Well, here's my... Taken from another movie. My question regarding the Never Say Never Again, Canon, at any point do we sort of add something where Bond is like, this all seems very familiar?

because now it's canon and same thing has happened twice to him yeah i would go through the delis and if he did it somewhere if he did it somewhere i guarantee you he said that at some point when he wakes up in that spot it's playing um i got you babe on the clock radio yes yeah all right mattie and he eventually sleeps with annie mcdwell eventually that's how that's how every uh connery movie will end from now on uh okay this one is really simple i think it's it's it's it's We can do it quickly with a given computer graphics as they are today. I would have, in Golden I, when the tank is driving through Moscow, I would have one of the cars it runs over,

I would have it be the drunk wino's car. And I would have him reacting to the tank driving through the street, rubbing his eyes going, what? So in this world, is he, reappearing or has he also been in all the other films leading up to? Oh, he's been in all of them. Oh my God. So let's let's see. We got to go through those. That would, For All Your Eyes Only was the last one, right? Yes. So where does he appear in Octopus? Oh, definitely on the bizarre, Indian bizarre street fight. Like when Bonn takes the swords following

out. Oh, are you kidding me? Yeah. Yeah, he's watching the street performers there. View to a kill. It's the Paris parachute off the ice tower situation. Yes. Yes, he's drinking at a cafe when Bond goes through the bridge, I mean the boat. Ferrous wheel, living daylight. Yes. Or on the boat with the lady in the pre-title sequence. Right. And Bond just comes in and cucks him. Yeah. Yeah. License to kill. Now I'm going to go for a stretch here. He's at that cultish clinic. A guarantee. He's trying to quit drinking. Yes. He's exactly. Turn it around. Yes. Turn in his life around. Sees Bond again. Grab some of that gasoline and just drinks it straight. Oh, damn. Then on to Golden Eye. Great. Yeah. Perfect. I'm really excited about that move, guys.

That's good. It's really going to bring nobody back to the cinema except us. My number nine is a very simple one. Yeah. We eliminate the slide whistle from the man with the goal. We all have that. All right. We all literally have it.

Let's not even talk about it until the last person says it, huh? Okay. Okay. I don't know how to work that, but okay. You just, you will, you then go to the next thing. I know. Good Lord. So.

On that audio edit tip, I would go into Quantum of Salas, and I would dismiss Mr. Jack White and Alicia Keys. And I would put that Shirley Bassy song, No Good About Goodbye. We want to talk about it now because I've got it in there too. Oh, all right. Wow, wow, wow, wow. Next one comes from what is arguably the best of the franchise, Casino Royale. I would have Here's what I'd do

I'm actually going to have to change Quantum and Casino The Casino Rale ending We cut it To Mathis being dragged away And Bond happily smiling at Vesper Quantum

Picks up Right after that And it goes from there You talk about this on the Casasna Rail But do they know that? I don't know. No, I'm just saying. So you're saying...

I don't know if they heard it yet, is one of asking. Probably. Yeah. Is happening in quantum? Yeah. Whoa. It happens at the beginning of quantum. A lot...

So what would that would do is it would give us the Honor Majesty Secret Service they wanted to do, where you had Diana Riggs death would be starting diamonds or forever. Do you know what I'm saying? I do. I would cut it because honestly, I feel like Casino Royale ends too many times. It does, but it... I want a happy ending. Just give me one happy ending.

Look, no one has to accept or decline these. Well, what's interesting about this is that if you take that dark ending out of Casino Real, you change the template for all of Craig's stuff, which is film after film of him saying goodbye to somebody who's dying in his arms, right? It's, I mean, he sucks so much of the Honor Magic Secret Service DNA into his whole run. Yeah. Right. And I wonder how that would change.

all of that. But I think that that ending is part of why people walked out of Casino Raal saying this is the best bond. I agree. Okay. Well, you know, then I will go to my 1A of Casino Royale. All right. And I would digitally change

all of the poker cards to be less far-fetched. You mean the hands? The hands? They're insane. Yeah, okay. Because none of it, all of that stuff he says about you play the man, not the, not the hand and it's all him winning on luck.

Yeah, it's all him literally winning on luck or losing on bad luck. Yeah, you're not the first person to say that. Mark McComville has noticed that too. And I feel like I'm not a savvy poker player, so I don't recognize those things. But that's interesting. Yeah, I think that's a good point. Yeah, I just think that that's sort of one of those things that takes me out of the movie a little bit. By the way, when I say I'm not a savvy poker player, you should play poker with me.

I'm not a savvy poker player. I'm not hustling. but you could be reverse Savvying all of us I'm not a savvy poker Would you take your change so far As to make it Baccarat again Oh that's very interesting

Swithy, Banco Al-Ruf Gart Gart Du Hoit Bunk No I think that they were so

Perfect in their timing of Holdem Having come just after the Chris Moneymaker World Series of poker win and the boom of... That took the world by storm,

so much so that I don't even know what you're talking about. It was a moment. Yeah. And the Bond films do you do that. Reflect moments, yes. And I... And I like that this, that Bond movie reflects the early odds so well.

Mm-hmm. Fair enough. All right, my number eight is, whether it's digital, it may be worse, but I want to, I want to replace Denise Richards in the world is not enough. Wow.

I'm sorry, this is nothing against her. It just... Seems like everything against her. No, it's just a horrible miscasting. What if we... Would you buy a change of the character entirely? Maybe leave it Denise Richards, but give her another... Possibly, maybe.

Either way. Yeah. Something more to suit the character to the actor or the actor to the character. But this way, it's just... Man, I have a question for you. Yeah. Phil, please. pipe in also.

Regarding the format of this podcast. If you say something, right, that just sparks some new thing in my head. Yeah. Of like while we're in there. Uh-huh. I have a couple honorable mentions, so why don't you throw it in that category. Okay. I'll have to write it down.

I don't think, I think you're Denise Richards. You need to think it through. And I want to hear an alternate. I want to hear. Who would play? A solution. Yeah. Yeah.

You've identified a problem. What year is it? It's 90. 99. 99. Mm-hmm. Okay. That's interesting.

I've ground the podcast to a halt, I apologize. Well, you know, this is what happens. We have to think of 1999 actresses. People are doing their own thinking right now. You know, it would have been better in that role. Who? And just happened to have been the co-star of hers and Wild Things, but I think Neff Campbell would have been better in that.

Would have been better. I'm going to go someone, she's a nuclear physicist, so I'm going to go someone with a little bit more. experience and age and say Renee Russo. Could be interesting. Just someone that I believe has a PhD and is a doctorate and, you know. Or is a detective looking to find out who stole those paintings? Right.

I mean, they had such chemistry in Thomas Crown. I don't hate it. Sure. Yeah. And with that, that would have been after, right? So it would have been a pleasant repairing. Plus, those two, like Sophie Marceau and Renee Russo are kind of like two sides of the same coin.

They're these women with gravitas. and it would be like, who's he going to go for? Right. So I've sold you. Does she have to be an American? No, not for me. Because in 99, I'm thinking, that's kind of peak Helena Bottom Carter. Oh.

Ever since I saw her mutilated in Frankenstein, though, I can't get past it. And it worries me. That's a long time ago. Yeah, I know. That's 94. I know. It's been a, you have not been able to enjoy the last 25 years of Helena Bottom Carter's career. It's tragic.

Man, she's done a lot of great work, man. I'm sorry you're missing out. I'm sure someone else will pop into my mind, but that's where I'm at right now. Cool. All right. Phil, your number seven? Yeah, this is a nebulous choice. But when I watched Spector in 2015 and we got to the Rome car chase and I started recognizing musical cues from Skyfall, that to me was like the flare that like this movie's kind of not going to be great.

Wait, I don't think I even recognize. Were those direct lifts or replay, like, throwbacks? I don't know if the arrangements were different, but it sounded like the same school. Yeah, it certainly sounded a lot of luck. And I clocked it and I was like, oh, this isn't great. And, you know, it wasn't a great car chase maybe anyway, but like that score, the recognition of the repeated score took me right out of it. And I would send Thomas Newman back to the studio and say, do it, do it again. I'd send David Arnold back to the studio.

I would love to send David Arnold back to the studio. I mean, in a perfect world, Arnold came back and maybe comes back for the next one. Oh, I hope so. But. Carrie, if you're listening. Yeah. There's no shortage of things I would love to change about Spector, but that is one that I think, because it just sort of like lets you know that like, no, we kind of didn't. We weren't as excited about this one. And then I got less excited.

Duly noted. Yeah. Okay. Number seven for you, Maddie. Number seven from me is digitally, it's a digital, very simple. We're going to go in. We're going to clean something. up. You want to put Jabba the Hut back in?

We'll get to that for the back half of my list. Okay. But I would like to remove the pole from the jet in Octopus. Oh, that's fair. It just takes me out of it in a way that a few of these things do. It's just so visible to me. Now that I've like, now that I know about it and now that I've seen it, I cannot unsee it. Especially because right after it is that amazing miniature explosion.

Yeah. Yeah. That's a good one. Small but good. Yeah. There's a little tweak, you know. And if you're watching Octopussy at home right now, which I'm sure some of our audience is. If you're not, it's because you've just paused it to listen to this.

I recently acquired a Octopussy One Sheet. Wow. Nice. Longest legs of any bond. Yeah. It's delightful. But if you're watching Octopus right now and you see him go through the hangar with the tiny jet, just take a just take a hard look at it it'll be ruined forever you're cursing them to the life that

you live now look if you don't want the same curse just avert your eyes yeah think of it as a medusa of scenes i just watched clash of the titans last night whoa how's that holding up it does it it does hold up but but in a movie that's like wow that was old and a little flimsy to begin with but it's not like it's aged any worse i i i watch it's it realizing, oh, this probably wasn't as good as I thought it was as a kid. Yeah. But that being said, I really enjoyed it. Yeah.

All right. All right. Number seven for me, surrender replaces Tomorrow Never Dies for the title song. I knew this is going to be in your list. I mean, that's a solid, that's a solid fix. It's an easy fix. It's like one of the best bond songs for one of the most... But you're saying fix, like the connotation is that there's a problem.

a big problem. I don't. And it needs a professional. It needs Katie Lang. You need to call the Katie Lang plumber service to come down and get the job done. Just go in and, I mean,

you don't even care about that movie. It's not like that song. I noticed I have a lot of Brosnan things. I think if Renee Rousseau's in the world is not enough, I like that movie because that actually is maybe one of my favorite Brosnan's. I kind of like that one a bit.

The world is not enough you like. Yeah, some of it I really like. In fact, I might say that's my favorite Brosnan. If Denise Richards were replaced by Renee Russo, that'd be a good movie for me. Look, I can't, I can't even get into it for the 900th time on this podcast. Yeah, I understand. You know, where I stand on tomorrow never dies. Now where?

Firmly on the side of good. I'm kind of with you. I didn't even go into the Brosnan's because, like, why am I going to go mess up somebody else's backyard? Yeah, it's your, it's your thing. Look, enjoy, enjoy. Let me. let me enjoy that Well, I'm a neighbor You're welcome to mess with the houses next door

I'm looking over the fence Twine and golden eye are yours When are you gonna fix up your yard You're making the neighborhood Look like a What are you talking about? His yard's perfect Matt's going with the broken windows theory

And yeah But so when you had a golden eye fix I was very intrigued to hear that Yeah That's your jam But it was just more to like Keep him in line with Because he is so

Brasden is so Roger Mori In the sense of he tries to have the comedic beats more often than Dalton, Laysenby, and Connery, certainly. So I sort of put them together. Yeah. Yeah, he's closest on the spectrum to Roger Moore, certainly. Doesn't it go Roger Moore, Pierce Brosnan, Laysenby, Dalton, Connery Craig? Yeah, that's sort of exactly.

Or Connery, Dalton, Craig, maybe? Well, Connery has such an arc himself Where it's very deadly serious in parts And then he just full on goofy By the end I put Dalton to the right of Connery To the left of Craig On the Fleming spectrum

Yes If I'm not writing a thesis on this The Fleming spectrum of Fleming I love it All right Who went I think you went Yeah

So you went Yeah. Yeah. So I'm going to burn off the slide whistle from... Is that on your list, Matt? It was also on my list as well. Okay, we'll save it then to... Sure.

All right, Matt. No good about goodbye. It says solace in there. I know. It's got the melody from the film in there. You cannot tell me. That's not a rejected theme. That's the number one thing for me.

Same with surrender. It's all over that film. It was supposed to be it. Yep. Port David Arnold. Like he's writing crackerjack title songs that are getting refused left and right. That's a great injustice. Guys, I'm going to dip into Daniel Craig for the first time of my list.

Here we go. You already had a Casino Royale fix. Well, this is a legitimate gripe I have, I think. Casino Royale one I could take it. It's why it was 10. Got it. Got it. It is what it is.

I would remove from Spector. Well, maybe entirely Spector. But the concept thought through line starting with, I would remove Judy Dench's cameo on the DVD.

Oh, wow. And I would remove the very silly targets in MI6 of the previous people from the movies. The Kinko's run. Yeah, that's, he had to

have someone go down and get a copy. Those actually might have just been faxes. Just go to copy cop. I don't care. Get it done. We have all these cameras, but no printers. What are you telling me? That's what he would do.

I would just sort of get rid of conceptually. I think that now hindsight, of course, is 2020. I don't know that the producers or writers would have done any different, but it really sort of affects Daniel Craig's tenure for me. this shoehorned bullshit shared universe thing they tried or are trying and continuing to try to do seemingly um i just don't i don't i don't need that much of james bond's plotting to have relied on the previous film right yeah yeah and i thought about this as well but i just didn't know like where do you start or where do you stop right yeah it's like pulling a thread off of a sweater well like the whole half

brother thing needs to go Yeah. Like, there's a lot. The franchise has never needed this. And suddenly in Craig's tenure, it's all about this. Yeah. And it really, I think it does sort of affect the, just the block, the Craig block. Like when we get the DVD, when we get whatever the new format, digital packaging or whatever it's going to be.

And we have all those Daniel Craig movies together. It's going to be strange because you're going to have this like weird mini franchise inside the franchise. I can't imagine Carrie Fukunov. pulls all this together. His best move is to not really deal with it. Or that he would care to, right? Right, but what if he... But he seems...

What if he somehow pulled that off in a way that you're like, holy shit? I don't know if it's plausible. Yeah, I don't think it is either. Because it was so silly to just go, I'm the... I'll have all your pain. Like, it's like... Yeah. You don't have to be.

You're Blow felt. I know. You're the fucking leader of the biggest crime organization on the planet. You have cameras everywhere. just make that your plot. Don't give me this personal poking of James Bond because you didn't like how your father got along with him. It's like, I don't care.

You could probably make an edit of that film where the brother stuff is taken out with the existing footage and you wouldn't even know, I bet. I pondered it, but I couldn't figure out a solution and so I didn't put it on my list that way. But I've seen things online where there's fans who think that they need to retcon this stuff all out in the next movie

like, oh, Oberhauser was lying and he's not the real real... I don't want to burn any real estate on that. Because that's a double reccon, and that's a mess. Oh, my God. It's a little closer to the mics. Oh, sorry.

You don't want a double retcon. No. It's double recon. It's like a single why. Why do we even bother? Exactly. And I feel like this new Star Wars may be in for some of that, too.

Uh-oh. Star Warsing is going to be great. I can't wait to do that. Many franchise episode thing. What are we doing? A mini-series? Is that what that would be called? A mini series?

A micro series. series. I mean, it's not that micro now that there are 10 movies. Yeah, that's true. They keep coming. It's really crazy. All right. My number six is putting in No Good About Goodbye into Quantum. Do you have that, Matt? Because if not, we can talk about it. No, I do not. So you take the David Arnold song sung by Shirley Bassie. You can look it up online. We've played it on this podcast. It's so good. It's torch songy. I could see where they probably didn't want it. because it wasn't cool enough, but it's so cool compared to the bond history. And to have Shirley Basie back one more time, what are you thinking? Yeah. I mean, it's not like they gave it up

for something also great. No. But I wonder if because there were all those rumors that Amy Winehouse was going to do it, that they maybe thought, well, that might be worth it. And then things went sour there. But why wouldn't they pop that back in? Such a great, nice way of doing it. That's not what she got, right? Huh? She, yeah, I thought, well, didn't she just kind of back out? before she died? I think it was all part of the same sour grapes. I'm sure. I think it was all just.

Yeah. Yeah. But why wouldn't they then pop that song back in and act like, oh, surely Bassy came in to save the day? Can't prove this, didn't look it up. Something about how during the Sony run, they needed to be a Sony artist. God damn it. That shit drives me crazy. Yeah.

That makes sense. That's why you have all the artists that you have in the first, in Craig's four movies. Is that right? I think so. Are they all Sony artists? I believe so. That's bullshit. It's a drag.

It's a drag. That drives me crazy. They work two for four. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's like all this packaging shit going on with the Writers Guild and the agents and the writers have to fire their agents and I love it. Yeah, it's really... Are you going to have to fire your agent? If the guild and the agencies don't reach an agreement, then, yeah, on Friday, I have to pick up the phone.

Nice. Well... Thanks for bringing that up. You can also find that song online with the visual titles from Quantum of Solace, too. So you can see and hear what it would look like. Yeah. But obviously, they would have conceptualized something a little different or timed it different. I don't know.

I think so, yeah, definitely. The titles actually go pretty well with that Jack White song, regardless of what you think of it. Yeah. Yeah. On that note, my next one is something I call Gun Barrel Reparation. and it's taking that bullshit that Mark Forster and Sam Mendes pulled with Quantum and Skyfall and putting the damn gun barrel at the beginning where it belongs. Yeah.

There's no reason for them to be at the end of either of those movies. You can maybe make an argument for Skyfall, but at that point... Because there is the metaphorical one at the beginning? No. No, I think San Mendes is full of shit when he said that stuff. Like he knew that he was riffing on. the gun barrel by having a step into the hallway. That's what I mean. Like, is that why you're saying

you don't need it because you've got that? No, no. I'm saying you can make an argument that thematically might belong at the end because Bond ends up in M's office and it closes that loop and I don't know. You could maybe debate that, but to me, Casino earned its new placement for the gun barrel. Right. Certainly.

Really did. There was no reason to start Quantum without a gun barrel and there's really no reason to start Skyfall without a gun barrel. Yeah, Quantum is the one where they deliberately went no gadgets, no bond theme, no gun barrel. Yeah. So that was all of a piece. Yeah. It was of a piece.

Piece of something. It was. But it's, you know, look, you watch it back to back. We're okay. Bookended. You know, it's interesting that our good friend Phil brought up the gun barrel sequence. Because I, too, have a retcon gun barrel special. edition. You purchase my set of DVDs, everybody.

These will be available on Etsy. Not only do you get every movie in the franchise, but you now get the original early Sean Connery's with Sean Connery himself performing the gun barrel. Nice. And not the stuntman. And not Sam Anderson is I think. Sam Smede. Yeah. What is his name? It's a Sam, right? Bob Simmons. Oh, it's not a Sam at all. You're thinking Sim though. I am not. That is something I'm actually not only surprised, but I do, because this is an exercise, a theoretical exercise. I don't want any of this to actually happen. Correct.

And so I'm glad they haven't done that, but I'm sort of surprised that they haven't, like, for the 50th anniversary, put Connery in those things. Because he did perform a hell of a gun barrel, eventually. They don't do any tinkering at all, do they? No. Not content-wise. They reprinted the optical of it, it's my understanding. Yeah.

So it's... Yeah, so it's... It tracks a little bit. better. Clean and not like, yeah. As an addendum to my never say never again canonizing thing, though, I would use the

Sean Connery gun barrel from 1965 just to keep it legit. I like that. When he came back for diamonds, they used the gun barrel from 1965. Well, you know, Covey and Harry, we're already paying him so much.

Why are we going to shoot this? We're not going to get him in for another day. This is this little side note, honorable mention for me. I'd also gun barrel. reparations on that bullet going down the barrel and die another day. Although you know what? No, I wouldn't. Die another day. You need it to be in that. This is the same reason why I wouldn't change the pigeon double

take. It belongs in these films. Yes. All right. Part and parcel. Matt, what's your number five? It was the Sean Connery gun barrel. Oh, right. You're up. Matt Goreley, what's your number five? Well, I'll tell you. I want what everybody wants and what everybody think happened. I want Jaws' little girlfriend to have a can have braces. You're unmandala affecting the mandala effect by making us all see the thing that we all think we saw. We've talked about this and you may yourself be going, what do you mean you wanted

to have braces? She does have braces. She doesn't have braces. She should. There's a moment it's built in. You can put it right there where it is. Jesus Christ. I'll tell you what really messed with my mind on this was that I went to look this up because

somebody didn't know this story. Uh-huh. And I found a clip on YouTube where someone. one digitally added braces. No. Shut up. And I'm like, what the fuck am I? Like, it made me just question all of reality for about 10 seconds.

Did it look real? It looked pretty good. What? Here's my question. Okay. Is it possible? Is it possible that we're all remembering the television version of this movie? No.

Hang on. Let me just, I'm just going to talk crazy. Let's go. I know. Look, this is welcome to the Rogan podcast, everybody. I'm going to talk about chem trails and then we're all going to get in the sensory depth tank, it's going to be great. But is it possible? Because like when I watch the TV edit of Jaws, when I'm occasionally flipping around the channels, and I see Jaws is on, I'm always going

to stop on Jaws, it's my favorite movie. So sometimes I'm fortunate enough to get the TV edit, which has this whole other quint scene in the music store where he needs to buy piano wire because the shark will, you know, we can't find any fishing line that's going to handle this shark. So he buys Fishing Wire. There's a kid practicing Ode to Joy on a clarinet and you have Robert Shaw behind him

going, bop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop. Like, it's a great scene. And it's only in there because of the timing of the TV edit, right? Yeah. So what I'm saying is, it's not even on the DVD, I don't think. It might be on the Blu-ray. There's one of those with Halloween, too. Right. Yeah, for the TV edit. So is it

possible? We're all remembering that shot from the TV edit of Octopussy. How does that work? I mean, not from the TV edit of Moonraker. No, because when we watched it both times, especially this last time for the podcast, I sat there and was like, let's, okay, let's really see. And it's not, they're not there. But what I'm saying is, the braces.

The braces are there. Oh. It doesn't end any time or anything. We think it doesn't. What if it's, honest to God, what if it's like, two, the shot is two seconds longer with the braces. No way. And they needed that time, so they were like, here, just put this in.

Wait, are you sure that YouTube video said that someone digitally added it or is it from the TV? No, I'm pretty sure. This is what I'm saying. Now that Phil has seen this, I digitally did this. What really I did is tape it off the TV in 1983. Look, I'm just saying, I'm just, is it possible? Think about it, guys. Think about it.

It is possible if they make more of a moment out of it where they look into each other's eyes and it adds 20, 30 seconds. but even that seems like not enough. We also have to factor in that she does turn up in the rest of the movie. Yeah. Like she doesn't have braces. Right. Good point. Sure, you want to factor that in.

That's fine. She's like, do you want to, you can come to space, but this is kind of a master race thing, so you got to get your braces off. You got the Aryan thing going. Maybe, yeah. Yeah. Okay. You can come into space butt.

One of those classic. You can come into space butts. All right, Phil. We're into the number four. Uh, okay. Let's see what I've got here. This is a nitpick, but I think it affects the whole, is the editing in quantum of solace that obscures a lot of very solid stunt work. Let's talk about that a little bit later.

Oh, fair enough. Okay. Maddie, number four. Okay, so there's four left here, guys. We're now getting into the... to just a fair warning to everybody. The next three. Really? Okay. Here's what I'm going to do.

I'm actually going to flip the order. No, I'm not going to flip the order. So my next three guys are very, what if George Lucas got his hands on these movies. That's what we're here for. Okay. What if it's 1997? Barbara's hanging out over at Skywalker Sound.

Maybe they're doing a mix down on Tomorrow and ever dies. And she peeks into a room and she goes, oh, my God. I don't remember Java the Hut being in this first Star Wars picture. And George goes, oh, no, yeah. Well, would you like Renee Russo and you're going to do it? We just, you know, I always wanted, I always wanted them in there, but, you know, now I did it. My original vision.

So the next three will be, if that happened, George gets his hands on these pictures. So, here it is, the first one. It's octopusy. When, uh, Roger Moore, uh, does that inside joke for everybody who saw the BBC's animal trainer and yells, sit down. Sit down. It's a wampa. Oh my God.

Yeah. Yeah. It's like, like, like there's a lot of saliva, you know? It's just like, it's going to be this. It's, it's just, it's just, George, wanted to get in there. So it's literally George Lucas getting in. It's literally George Luce.

He wanted, you know, he wanted to touch the Bond franchise. And you've got three of these? So bad. Yes, I do. This is wasted opportunities to get this franchise fixed and you're squandering them. He just, he couldn't find any more problems with the franchise and now he's putting our, putting an Arctic creature, his climate. I don't even understand it.

Fine. Here's here. You're thinking of it. No, no, you do it. You can do it. No, look, fine. Here's what you want a real one. I would digitally remove the camera.

cameraman from the mirror in the man with the golden gun. Oh, that's good. Yeah, in the fight where he gets the golden bullet from the belly button. Yeah, they hit that mirror. You see the whole crew? Yeah, it's a little, I'll tell you what, takes me out of it a little bit. You can package those Lucas ones with real ones and they can come as a little team, you know? Fine.

Okay. Number four for me, can hang a balloon. I would like the bullet, the shark bullet to just be simply explosive, not not inflating. So he just explodes and it kind of doesn't have to be super graphic, but shocking, alarming way, one way that doesn't take me out of the movie, you know? Yeah. And float him up to the ceiling. Because it's a twofold problem.

He's a very shiny balloon. Yeah. And then it's the driest human explosion you've ever seen. It is. And the grain, the like post-Zoom, everything is. The speed ramping, everything's wrong. So weift that one pretty hard. Yeah.

And had a Rick Baker effect, go to waste. Yeah, right. And to think if Rick Baker was assigned with just blowing a human up, that could have been pretty cool. Oh, my God. That would have been great. Yeah, it didn't have to be like scanners or anything, but just... That would have been cool, too, though. Yeah.

If he just, like, graphically exploded all over the... And they've got, like, Cananga meat all over them. Jane Seymour's wiping Cananga brains off. That would have really chummed the water, though. I know. You know? Yeah. And then there's a little frenzy.

Or maybe he blows up underwater, and the sharks just kind of... frenzy. So you see blood in the water. It's not super graphic. That'd be kind of good. So you're saying he doesn't have to float to the ceiling. That's my main point. That's the main problem. That would take care of the graphic element of it as well. Right. As you say, it would just color the water.

Yeah. All right. Fair enough. Okay. Great. This one is a lost scene. Oh. From Her Majesty Secret Service. When he goes to the Hall of Arms,

the heraldry place. Hillary Bray's assistant is a Spector spy. And he's eavesdropping on the whole plot, and if that guy leaks it, his whole plan falls apart. He can't go impersonate Hillary Bray.

So they shot a whole foot chase with that guy across the rooftops of London. What? There's photos, but the footage is lost. It's a real scene, and I'll tell you why I like it. Because you don't get, I didn't even know about this. You don't get an action sequence in London

until maybe the pre-title sequence of the world is not enough. Yeah. And as much as I love. And that's debatable. Hey, hey, hey. You have the Thames River, a speedboat that is for his fishing trips when he retires. The guys that are putting a boot on a car. Underwater's tires straightening.

Those are the guys from the very popular BBC show. A boat that not only drives on land but turns on land. Yes. You know, because they like, the franchise likes to make these inside jokes with funny with BBC shows everyone has seen in the country of origin. I would like in the next film, Daniel Craig stops by a bakery and Paul Hollywood is there. Drives to the tent.

It happens. Maybe something is underbaked or not proved enough. That's good. God, I would love to see that. Yeah, I'll send you the stills. But I think as much as I love Honor Magic's Secret Service, it's a pretty chill movie for a while at that point. Yeah, right.

You used a little action beat. I think you're right. Yeah. Send those stills and we'll put them on the episode page too. Yeah. All right. Number three to you, Matt. Yeah, okay.

So number three for me. Do we go? George Lucas. Give us, I don't want to not hear these Lucas ones. Okay. Great. Since you're on board with the concept. Yeah.

I want you to think back. What's the biggest explosion in the James Bond franchise? It's the specter. It's the biggest explosion in cinema history. You're absolutely right. Yeah. You know what it didn't have? Wait.

A blast wave? That's correct. A circular blast shock wave. That like blows everyone back a little bit. Maybe sends the helicopter off course. It's a whole, it's going to be. The kids are going to love it. You know, I really wanted the explosion to look like that.

I'm pretending to be Sam Mendes, who's also talking. of George Lucas and he goes, I could fix that. That explosion seemed done only so they could do that behind the scenes video. Right. And the bragging rights. Yeah. Because they're in the behind the scenes video going, all right, folks, looks like this is going to be a world record.

Yeah. Like they knew it. It looks like this is going to be. That's two world records for Craig. Yeah. Roger Moore's got the sky, the car, the corkscrew car. Isn't that a world record of some kind? Or first computer.

It's a first. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So we do that. Okay. And then I'm going to go into the Pierce Brosnan franchise for my real one. Again, George Lucas could help with this if he'd like.

I get rid of the BMW Z3 from Golden Eye. Yeah, I approve of this. And I put him in. I think at the time it would have been the DB7. Oh, I don't know what that looks like. Yeah. Martin. I would put him in an acid Martin. I would also settle for

like a Lotus of lease. What about the DB5? I don't want Craig to have the DB5. You mean Brazen? I mean that Brazzan. But he does in Goldenite. He's driving that later but like I want I want Q to be issuing him not a BMW.

I want him to have a gadgeted out because as far as we can tell in GoldenEy the only gadget he has is a wine champagne cooler. Which if you're drinking and driving it's not a great look for anybody. Sure. Why have that be the only gadget in your car?

Right. You might as well have a DUI dispenser. Yeah. If you have like the, the thing with that car was they got it late because it was a prototype from BMW. Oh, really? So they couldn't like put the missile launcher in

that they wanted to, all this stuff they want, which is why they went over the top on the 750 IL. The BMWZ3, you know, that's why Q was just hitting it with a newspaper going, missile launchers behind the headlights and...

I didn't know that. I have some questions because is this not one of the cars that you thought about buying at some point? No, no, the 750 IL. So the 750 IL is from Tomorrow Never Dies? Yes, correct. The greatest Bond movie this side of the 90s. And the one that gets cut in half... Is this a Z8.

In World is Not Enough. Correct. Okay, got it. I love that I've still learning things about this franchise. Like, I didn't know that about the BMW. I didn't know about the rooftop scene and Honor Majesty's. Wow. I didn't know about the rooftop.

scene either. Is that in the Tashan book? I'm not sure. If he's literally... I still have not read that. It would still work. If he's literally eavesdropping, right? And that's all he does. He never sees Bond. And then when he goes to, let's say this guy then

goes to the top of the mountain there and he hears Bond and sees Bond. It goes, oh no, that's the same guy I was hearing. That's Hillary. But it's the guy's in the film. He's the, at the beginning the guy's like, thank you, Sable Basilis. or whatever the hell. He has like a little moment and he walks off. Wait, when? Oh.

In that scene. He's not the guy with the smock that with the artwork, is he? I think so. With the longer hair? Yeah. He's the guy. I'm almost sure. I was curious about that guy because he looks so distinct. He had this little moment and he walks off and then he gets busted for eavesdropping on the planet. I'll be damned. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like the Mitchell. Yes. So your slide whistle is still. You got to get on that mic there, friend.

I'm sorry. Yeah. He's like 12 feet away. on. My slide whistle is... The cat's here. Hi, Margo. Oh, all right.

The cat's not quality. On the fly, guys, I have moved the slide whistle to my... Number three. When you were talking about the world is not enough. And I said,

off of that, I have something. And you said, save it for honorable mentions. So I've, I had to do some rearranging. I see. I apologize.

You're, like, very confused by the... Yeah. If the switches towards you, you are... I turned it off. I'm good to talk. Sorry, guys. That's okay.

All right. Okay, so number three for me is replacing the golden eye score. Anybody else got that? Yeah, I do. You do? Okay, we'll wait. All right. So on the world record tip, there's one guy in the world that can flip a helicopter,

and they hired him for Spector. And it's beautiful in the trailer. That sort of role that it does, they cut to the inside of the trailer. the helicopter in the film itself. And it's maddening. That's so true. It's so dissatisfying. When Sigourney Weaver actually makes the over-the-back basketball an alien four,

but they didn't have a frame wide enough to see it. Everybody thinks it's fake, but she actually made it. Yeah. So they flew this guy in, and he is, like, renowned as the only pilot that can do it, and then they cut it in half. Can you imagine being the only guy in the world that could do something? Yeah. We are the only people in the world.

who can sit here and make this list. That's three people, though. Yeah. That's true. That's true. That's true. That's true. I got to be honest.

I'm most likely to die first. Not the healthiest of the bunch. I've got 10 years on you, friend. I know you do, but I've got probably 35 years of heart. No. Damn. No, I've got high cholesterol. All right.

This took a turn. Should we have a doctor come in and take a look at all of us? I have too many free radicals. Failure you're too healthy. Get out of here. Doctor no. All right. Philip, what's your number two?

I think that was it Oh, sorry The helicopter thing from Spector. I'm kind of going out of order But you just like it cut So that you see the whole thing Yeah, I think it's And it's indicative of

Some other sort of Lesson-inspired cutting from Specter And it points to the larger issue That really Stuart Baird Should have cut Quantum And should have cut Spector Yeah He cut Casino and he cut Skyfall

And there's a reason Those two are favorites That's true Boy Stuart Baird also ruined Star Trek By making Star Trek nemesis Somebody was gonna

Look, I've got some great stories about Stuart Baird. I'll share someday. Speaking of Star Trek, I have something there for you, Matt. We'll get, don't let me forget after. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hey, hey. I think I see what I see. Yeah.

Institution class refit blueprint. What's your number two, Matt? So my number two is off of the man with the golden gun. I feel like there's a lot of this movie showing up in my list. Some real mistakes, some things I felt like were mistakes. There's a couple things I would change here. and it's it's it's it's it's it's it's treatment of people smaller than him yeah uh and i would cut out a couple things here first of all first thing we're gonna get rid of is uh i'm gonna

bunch this together it's the sound effect of the slide whistle okay takes you out of the movie every time you're watching yeah i don't have anything more to say on that except it's a i think we all know it's a mistake yeah yeah uh i would uh either have him throw money at the child he throws out of the boat. That's almost worse. Or have that child turn into a short round to his Dr. Jones for the rest of the film. That's an interesting thing. I was listening to James Bond and friends, and they were talking about this footage from

Bond 25 and how there aren't many. I'm sorry. What were you listening to? Another podcast, another James Bond podcast. Why would you? I don't even. I feel so bitterly. By the way, honestly, didn't even ever think to look for another James Bond podcast.

Oh, there's millions. Yeah. That sounds good. Let's do that. Well, do you recommend another one? Well, that one's pretty good. Tell me the name again? Well, James Bond and friends.

Oh. Because a lot of them are English anyway, so they got one up on us. Oh, that's like actually six up on us. Yeah. Yeah. But they were talking about how two things actually, that you don't see many children, especially like Bond never has child's size. like he's never chaperoning a kid around.

Yeah. And that's true. It's really interesting and probably really good because when that starts to happen, you're usually in for some cutesy trouble. But Bond 25 footage, we're dealing with a kid. Yeah, I do remember in the commentary track for Golden Eye,

the guy that's the head of the inflaming historical thing or whatever, he's talking about how that scene at the fountain blue in Miami, he uses that excuse to talk about the world of James Bond, this fantasy world for adults, for middle-aged males, and you'll notice there are no children. Yeah. And it's a thing that maybe the kid from Man with the Golden Guns

is the first time you see a child? Oh, I think it is, absolutely. Certainly a child that factors into that's... No, I mean, yeah, I don't think you actually see a child again until... Casino. The kids are chasing the horse. You see kids in diamonds are forever watching the gorilla. Because they're arguing with Jill St. John.

Yeah, yeah. Oh, blow up your pants. A circus, yeah. Blow up your pants. So I think it's like there, but you don't see Bond interact with the kid. Right. You don't see Bond interact with a kid until that moment in the Man with the Golden Home. And weirdly in Diamonds, it's very much on their mind where they're like colliding Bond with the real world. When he walks into the casino with his tuxedo on and there's like these just sloppy tourists just jerking off the slot machine.

Yeah, totally. It's like a sort of like they're kind of deconstructing that fantasy world by then already. Right. So it makes sense that there would be kids in there. Yeah. Mouthy kids. Yeah. Mouthy kids.

So back to your point, though. I'll talk about it for a second about correcting his treatment of people lower or smaller than... Yes. This, of course, extends to NICNAC. Yeah, because NICNAC gets... Look, I think either we do a nice cutaway where NICNAC has gotten out of the crow's nest. Is he dead? He's dead?

Look, I think you spend that much time in the sun without any water. It's not going to end well. No, he did not die. They're going to like Thailand to another close by island. He got put in jail. He's out by now. He's out by now. But you could do a whole pass on the franchise in terms of like taking away some of the less than progressive moments.

Yeah, that was sort of like a general understanding. Like the gold finger hayloft scene needs some work. Yeah, that's an honorable mention for me and the fact that it. is like, let's figure out what do we do with that. It's a larger conversation, really. Sure. You know, I think much like, unlike the Lucas and his special edition releasing, we here at the James Bonding podcast will always make available the original versions of these films.

So whenever you buy our set, it'll come with the original as well. I maybe just needs one of those looney tunes warnings at the top. Yes. You know, we don't endorse this behavior, but it's part of history. But here it is. Ingestion is not endorsing. Exactly. We fell in love with this.

We hope you do too. Sorry about all the slapping women. Slapping buttocks in the living daylight. It's amazing. Remember? I just said member? Remember when we were watching it with the close captioning on and that it said slapping buttocks?

Yes. All right. My number two is. is I've heard late. Oh, wait, sorry. So sorry. You got another Lucas? I forgot to add my, I forgot to tell you all my Lucas moments.

Okay, please. I feel bad. I've ruined that for everybody. Okay. So, now we're into the Timothy Dalton's of it all, right? George, George is excited. He enjoys the lasers that are coming out of the S&M. He might as well be called George Lasersby, the way he loves lasers.

So he's loves lasers. this acid Martin scene. He's like, you go lasers. I love lasers. That's my thing. I sort of made my bones on lasers. Lasers and cars are my thing. And they're like, oh, no, we think we have enough with the lasers and cars. He's like, well, can I do anything to help you guys out here? And I noticed this chase scene. It's kind of exciting. But what if, and in this version, instead of a cello case where they're sliding down, the... That's a taunton? Correct. They were 100% correct.

And they have to do an overnight where he stuffs her inside. It is Tontan instead of a cello case. I wrote it. He didn't just, he literally. No, you're there. He literally got there. I thought these things sound bad on the outside. There you go.

Yeah, so are they riding alive Tantan? Are they like inside it? Well, he, he, uh, he lasered it with the acid Martin, you know, instead of a, he doesn't have a lightsaber. Lengthwise. Like baked it tied into a sled. Yeah. And he split it and they're having a great time.

They're going to go down there in a ton-tong. Why not? I love that. Hey, fat guy. I'm right here, man. Jesus. That's so mean. That's my cat's name.

Guys, who's talking to the cat. My number two, come on up. I know that's what you want. Come on. Come on. She'll do it in her own time. She will manage. I've heard Lays and B talk about this.

Hi. We're talking. taking a picture. I've heard Lazyby talk about this that they shot at least one other take of the final holding Teresa in his arms after she's been killed and that he was able to cry, but that they used the other takes because Bond doesn't cry. And it's not so much that I want to see Bond cry, but I actually have never believed his performance in the end. And it has always struck me as a little stilted and stiff. And I would like to see if he actually, is crying, I really think that would help that ending for me. Now, that's, that's his memory of it. Do you

really think that Peter Hunt gives a, good point. You're probably right. That blows this whole thing out of the water. Of course he's lying. It would be great if he, if they had a really, you know, he really went for it in there and they, I was crying and buying it abroad at the same time. I talked to that fiery Peter Hunt. You know, he's guy. He's just to say it every time, every time. That's all right with me, though. Just keep your mitts to yourself. No big deal.

Freeze up the rest of the ladies for me. That's right. More room for old Joe Blazybee. Laserby. All right. Yeah, good point. Well, that may not be a possible special edition fix. But it might be a CGI job.

You can digitally alter his performance. Oh, I watched something recently where they had a digital tier. It is the worst. It's like the digital smile that Marlon Brando gives at the end of the score. Do you know that story? It's insane. You can YouTube it. Apparently, Marlon Brando was, of course, he's the biggest asshole on earth. Say what you will about his acting. But Frank Oz was the director and he kept calling him Mrs. Piggy,

Miss Piggy. Yeah. And couldn't get anything out of him. And all Frank Oz wanted was this shot of Marlon Brando watching the TV to see that the whole point of the movie had been completed and just for him to give a little grin, like acknowledging. that like kind of our team did it. And just because he's a prick, he wouldn't do it. So they CG'd his smile and it looks so awful. Does it look like Superman from Justice League when they had to like take it must out? It's about that level of CG.

Yeah. Yeah, maybe the CG technology isn't where we think it is. No. I watched Aquaman the other night and it is not. Would you watch? Aquaman. Oh, yeah. Not so much.

It's just, it made me angry and yet I couldn't. stop watching it. It's so bad. I think you're just described the DC franchise. I know, but some people are saying, like, at least this one was like a carnival. It was so over the top that it was fun. So it's the dying of the other day of the DC movie? Yeah. That's pretty fair. You've got my attention. That was your number two? That's right. So am I on two? Uh, yeah, uh, yes. Mm, because I think I'm, I'm going to, I'm going to throw one in. What's the hell? Uh, when, uh, when Daniel Craig was speaking to a reporter. It was like a Q&A kind of thing that the New Yorker Fest did.

He said that when he said Bon James Bond. Every actor has the story about Bon James Bond. He said the Spector was the first time he believed it. Oh, interesting. Now, this is some deep nerd shit. But the one in the trailer is so good and it's not the one in the film. Oh, my God. I didn't know that.

He says it to her in the trailer like he's on phone with customer service. And like he said it 100 times, Bond, James Bond. And he's pissed off when he's saying it to her. He's in her face, but it might have been a little rapy in the context of the film. So they went with a much softer read. But that read and that, I think it's actually a TV spot, a 60 second TV spot. It's just different and better. And do you think that's the one he's talking about?

I do. Oh, I got to look that out. These are the things I need to look up. Tiny little fix, but I would put that in there. That? I got to watch Marlon Brando smile again. Yes, we all do. And I want to see that Quantum Titles again.

Mm-hmm. Okay. That's pretty good. I like taking some footage from trailers, et cetera, that doesn't make it into the cut, like the helicopter. Yeah. Quantum did it too. Yeah. What did Quantum do?

That motorcycle jump on the boat, it's all one take with the camera behind him. They cut it all to hell in the film, and it doesn't register the same. way. Jesus Christ. That foot chase, it's more of the same. What are we doing in this world? Why are we, we have greatness at our fingertips and we're throwing it away? Yeah.

I think, I think we don't recognize it. These are also just like workhors and they've got a deadline just like everybody else. And it's like, well, this is it. It's done now. Yeah. They don't have all the time in the world. In the world. To make it perfect.

I remember that about Indiana Jones in the kingdom of the crystal skull too. You're a teacher? Part time. And he says it differently. Same thing with Phantom Menace. He can't help you. He was meant to help you. It's different than the movie.

I digress. Take it away. We'll cover both of those things on our mini franchise. That's right. This is number two, correct? Correct? Correct. I'm not exactly sure what needs to be done, but I do know that something needs to be done.

This is the live and let die. I need some explanation of Barenceumadis' mystical immortality. Would it be good enough for it to explain that it is mystical, or you want like a rational explanation? I would like a rational explanation. I don't want James Bond to exist in the world of dragons and warlocks. Yeah, fair enough. Whether it's a set of triplets, that would be interesting, by the way. James Bond Henschman that is a set of triplets.

Yeah. You know, I don't... We haven't had twins ever. No, we haven't. How would you like them flirting with the supernatural in a modern day bond? That'd be really tough to pull off. I mean, or at least maybe not supernatural, but kind of a more almost horror-laced bond. Like he's stuck in a...

I would love to see that. Yeah, I would take. But I think they're painted into a corner at the moment. would have to be on the 26th end. I mean, for the last three movies I've been saying, I wish Craig would just get a little weirder. I just want Craig to have fun. Honestly, a little bit of fun.

Yeah. Just let the guy, let that bond have a fucking breath. That's what Amanda says, because we just rewatched Game of Thrones. And she goes, I would watch a full episode of John Snow just napping or taking a bath because he never gets a break.

He's, you know. Yeah. He's beleaguered. Yeah. I mean, it's so true. parachute moment inspector like they're flirting with it you know yeah when he lands on the couch also i didn't mind the couch i didn't like the parachute you didn't like the parachute you didn't like the parachute as james bladen always says that he should have landed next to the couch that's what i say

that's right james also says this i believe so i love james yeah he's great you guys are uh you're my um james bladen you're my bookends i love them love you're the bread and my this is but like it's so it's so is of daniel craigs bond to have missed the couch entirely yeah Right. Well, I give them that cushiony fall. Sam, Mendez, you were in there the whole time. You knew. Okay.

So here's my George Lucas gets in there. Yeah. I think you're really going to like my number one, but this is the number two. We're in the opening of Skyfall here, right? And it is, you know, let's say your gun barrel sequence happens. This is all in our special edition. Sure. We still need that shot.

where he steps into the hallway. He's going to step into that hallway. But all of a sudden, we're going to see a green lightsaber glow. We're not going to mention it again. Wait, he's going to... Is he igniting it? Yeah, probably.

I like that he is. My favorite lightsaber is the Return of the Jedi Luke lightsaber. The green... I agree. I agree. Hands down favorite lightsaber. I feel like different bonds would get different colored lightsaber. Oh, that's a whole episode right there is.

But we could do it real quick. Who's Khyber Crystal are you going to have? All right. So you've got obviously blue, red, green, and purple. Yellow. And white. Yeah. But there's also like, and black.

There's apparently black ones in the expanded universe. Yeah, hey, hey, hey, hey. I've also got like, my bones in that universe. Oh, Darth Mall double and like the Count Duku, Christopher Lee Scaramunga, a little. But he's his curved. His is like a fencing one. Which I like for him because. he is the man with the golden gun. Let's him have a whole unique saber. Yeah. It's great.

All right. So who's what? Look, I think you just have to... Well, Roger Moore is definitely purple. You think so? I thought purple would have to go to like a lazy-be because there's only one purple. Okay. You know what I mean? In the entire Star Wars universe still, even extended universe, or expanded universe, Mace Windo is the only one to wield a purple lightsaber. Craig or Connery's red, because they're a little more intense maybe. Oh, you're giving them a SIF. Well, I'm just saying if we have to use them all up. It's limited on the good side in terms of the Jedi side.

No, no. Guys, it's okay. We're going to do this just fine. There's blue. There's green, right? Blue, we go, because the first one we ever saw was blue. So Connery gets a blue. Okay.

Right? Then we need also good. But there's only one. So what we're going to do is we're going to give Laysenby purple. Okay. Right? then who's the most fun bond to ever come around? I'll tell you who it was.

It was Roger Moore. So Roger Moore is going to get the green, which was our favorite of the lightsabers, right? Okay. Then you go into the Timothy Dalton years. Timothy Dalton, I got to be honest, it seems like an aberration. His two-picture situation, if he'd gotten a third picture, maybe it wouldn't feel this way,

but he's going to have a yellow. Whoa. Not because he's a coward. There's yellows in that arena fight. In the arena fight. in uh yeah they're like they're not featured so it seems a little tough to give one to a bond i don't know well look i'm just i'm also just saying okay uh i think then that pierce brosnan um is gonna have to wind up with the white one those are also in that fight scene there are there's white ones in there

and then here's the fun part it's it's craig right he's sort of like a callback to the era of Connery. But he's a little fractured, right? So I think what he's done is he hasn't been able to fully harness his khyber crystal. So he also had to build vents into his lightsaber for heat. So he ends up with a Kylo Ren Blue. Going this way and straight up. I buy that. Yeah. Is that the, is that the canon? Yes. Those are vents for heat. Yeah. Because he hasn't, he can't fully control the khyber crystal. Completely out of my depth in this thing that I brought up and I regret it. Well, there you go.

Well, you can just accept my answer. I do. Sometimes it just takes a guy to plant the seed and Matt will grow the tree. And I'll sit here and bask in the shade of it all. Yeah. Fair enough. I feel like Angela Bassett walking slow motion away from a burning car right here. See, now I don't get that reference.

We're all Venn diagramming each other. I've spent a lot of time with Black Twitter in the past year. Yeah. And it's a go-to. It's a go-to. GIF. Oh, well, I haven't been on Twitter much. So that explains the, you know,

a smile on my face. Yeah. What is it from? Waiting to exhale. Yeah, yeah, yeah. From what? Oh, waiting to exhale, right. A man did her wrong.

Oh, that's right. Learning the car, walking away slow. Nice. Yeah. All right. Number one for me, with a bullet. It's a director's cut of Quantum of Solace. Mm.

Because I know that this movie was overseen by Mark Forrester and say what you will about his take on the bond thing. I know he was rushed on that edit. I think there's at least one sort of thread or subplot that was excised from the film. And I would just love to see that movie as it's kind of supposed to be, even though the script was troubled, but I'd like to give Mark Forster like an extra month to work on that. The Shirley Bassie songs in it. Yes. What can you tell me about what did he get handicapped on?

What was this plot thread that you just did. I'm just, I'm trying to remember. I think I may have heard it on actually, J. Spawnantin' Friends. I'm trying to remember what that was. I do know about the deleted scene at the end. The Mr. White one? Yeah. Yeah, me too. Because Mr. White gets killed at the end of Quantum originally, and that becomes your gun barrel, which again, they insist on putting it at the end. But...

Like, was it actually visually a gun barrel like Casino Real? Yeah. I didn't know that. It was in film. Like, he spun to kill Mr. White, and that became your gun barrel, and that's the end of your movie. I like that. I think that would have been interesting bookends. It's more earned than what we ended up with. I agree, because it was. It does give more of the closure that you're looking for from those two movies. And it would have, at the very least,

uh, it might have saved us. Uh, wiped out that Madeline Swan specter bullshit. Might have saved us. Wow. What was the, what was the thread?

It'd be so funny if he, if Mr. White, instead of being where he was because he'd been poisoned and knew he was dying, if he had, uh, he had just been retired because they're, had been a buyout of quantum by Specter.

Yeah, or he sold his shares. He just checked his feet up. He got a little golden parachute. Look, I sold Quantum to Spector. Yeah. Hostel takeover, but, you know. I did well. I did well.

My daughter's fine. Wouldn't you love to see that? I think that movie exists in a pretty good form, I've said before. I kind of like that movie. I would love to see that movie given the care that it deserves following on the heels of Casino Royale. That is actually, of all of these. the one that I really wish they would do and I think there's justification for it, you know,

because it was the writer's strike and put it out there. Come on. Yeah. Come on. Come on. He had a lot on his mind. There was a lot of thoughtful choices. Give a cut to Richard Donner. Richard Donner. Give him the Dick Donner cut. Dick Donner style. Dickie Donner. Yeah. And Eon has been so steadfast about like there's never a director's cut, even though there's a slightly longer version of Casino Real that you can buy from the UK that's like got a little more violence, a little more head trauma in it that they cut for the UK. Right. And then just released it everywhere that way.

Yeah. Germany got a longer cut. But they don't like revisiting their films. And so, you know, none of this is going to happen. You know, it gives them plausible deniability on all of the back, uh, the back end stuff of, you know, the, the way he is treating, uh, women and, and the way he's sort of. Right. Because if they're going to, ass slapping, you can't open that can of worms. Sure.

But I say post-95, there's probably archival material and resources to go for a director's cut here and there and whatnot. And I wonder if it's going to be a generational thing. Like, you know that after Lucas dies, we're going to get nice high-deaf versions of the original trilogy. Well, you know, it's now that the Fox Disney merger has happened. The only reason we haven't been getting him now is because Fox owns the distribution rights to Star Wars and they wouldn't let him go. And I just hope that's part of the Fox deal. is that they now also get, I assume they'd have to write that in at some point.

But by that same token, like when Greg Wilson, who's like Michael Wilson's son, who's been sort of getting groomed to take over, if they don't sell it off to Disney, which everyone sort of worries that they're going to do. I wonder if he's going to have a different approach to maybe revisiting these films

and kind of cleaning them up and presenting deleted scenes. Present, all those auditions. I know. The screen tests, right? You want to see Daniel Craig's from Russia with the screen tests. Oh, God. I'd love to see them all.

if you're listening, get to that quantum cut. Yeah. Call it the quantum cut. Who gets hurt? I've got to add become best friends with Greg Wilson to my count on. Yeah. All right, Phil. What's your number one?

My number one. And if anybody's listening to this follows me at all, they know that I've written at length about this. But the Omega C-master as knuckle duster in Casino Real. Oh, right. Which they filmed it. You can see him start to take the watch off in the whole ven. scene. He's racked

it around his fist and he's much like in the novel, Honor Majesty Secret Service, where he takes his Rolex and does it. They filmed him doing that in Casino Royale and then cut out all the explicit shots of him doing it. Do you think because of the company objected? Because why on earth would you

not keep that in? That's super cool. I had a I had a couple of theories. It could have been a rating thing because there's some weird ratings rules in the UK about what you can do to somebody's fist or you can do somebody's face in terms of weaponry. So that might be it.

Omega might have put up a fuss, which I can also see as being a realistic thing. It's also a very busy scene. And it might have been a weird thing to take it out of like him taking the watch off and putting it around. Yeah, you never know what the shots are like. Yeah, that watch doesn't get a beauty shot, whereas the other ones do. Yeah. But it gets dialogue.

Yeah. Doesn't it get a beauty shot in the train? No. Oh. They don't cut to it. They talk to it. They just talk about it. Talk to it.

Hey, buddy. I see, Master, you master. But it's such a cool Fleming moment that I would have loved to have that, had Daniel Craig allowed to have that moment. It would have been a cool nod to the old school fans that this is your bond. This is Fleming's Bond. I'm in on that for sure. Yeah. I like it.

Good one. I like it a lot. Matt, take us home. All right. So, look, I guess I'll give you my Lucas first, or would you like Lucas last? I thought you only had three of these. The final Lucas change. He's still writing.

Okay. Do you want that first? No, take the Lucas first. Okay. Guys, look, I think we're all in agreement. One of the happiest times in James Bond's life is his wedding to Teresa. Everybody from his past is there. Everyone's very happy.

Everyone's so happy, in fact. It's almost like they've just blown up the second death star. What are we missing? Force ghosts. We're missing force ghosts of quarrel, carambay, and at the wedding of Bond. Those are the three you chose. I needed an ally who died, right?

Who existed in movies previous to Honor Majesty's Secret Service. Now, Akee, I think it's very, she's there to go, you've moved on. Yeah. I get it. You're now married to this woman. You know, a quarrel's there. He's happy.

Felix is also there in my cut. Felix Leiter is there. It's Jack Lord. But he's alive. He's alive. live. Yeah. And he's sort of Felix and the ghosts of quarrel are like in the corner talking about how

great this is. All the felixes as ghosts inexplicably grind up. It's not what I'm doing with this vision. There are more felixes than bonds, aren't there? Yes. That's fucking crazy. It's very strange. But yeah, I just think that would be great.

And if you want to make it, the Yubnup song at the end, instead of, we have all the time. Well, somebody please take a picture of. the Bond wedding from OHMSS and then force ghosts those three people in there. That would be ultimately, that would be just a delight. Yeah. It would be funny too if like, if it was really the George Lucas version, right? Because then what you'd end up with is you'd have the force ghost of quarrel, you'd have the force ghost of, uh, Karen Bay and Aki.

And then, uh, they would digitally, for the fuck of it, just put Jeffrey Wright in as no Felix no Quarrel will get switched with Coral Jr. No Coral Jr. is a separate person. I know. What are you doing? What are you doing? He lit. Don't kill Quarrel Jr.

Oh, man. It's unbelievable. Anyway. And my number one thing is, I honestly, I think that the score for Golden Eye is, is atrocious. Oh, we weren't supposed to talk about that. We weren't supposed to until I mentioned it. I said hold it. Yeah, that's a big one.

That's my number one. Boy, that's a no-brainer, man. That thing is awful. And if you had John Barry coming in one last time or bring David Arnold in a little early, oof. Well, I just, it's just so, it's so dated in a way that is not fun. It wasn't even good when it was not dated. Right.

It was almost dated when it came out. Yeah. It was like watching a, it belongs in no time. Circuit City commercial, like the music that. they're using is like, oh, wait, what are we supposed to be doing? Well, it's like watching Fifth Element, frankly, you know, same composer. But at least that's the future. Exactly, yeah.

And I don't care what, but this was James Bond. Yeah. And there's a couple moments of nice scoring in that movie. And it just, it just actually, what it does is it takes you out of it more when the bad stuff is happening. Yeah, and that's stuff not by Eric, Sarah. Yeah. That's what, Mark Altman or something.

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, there are two guys. Two guys. Sort of a patchwork situation. Oh. Oh, boy. I have a couple of honorable mentions.

Let's hear it. The Skyfall CGI face replacement. I'd like that cleaned up. Thank you very much. Do you like it better or worse than the rubber mask inspector? What? You know the rubber mask. Like, he hurt his leg.

And so there's a stuntman wearing a Daniel Craig rubber mask for that whole Specter pre-title sequence for some of those running shots of the helicopter fight. Do you not? No, well, obviously I'd choose the CGI face replacement. I even noticed that. So this is awkward. At least it's... It's analog.

Your rubber mask d'ar is way off, man. Yeah, I admit that. I admit that. And then I always hated how comical it is, kind of like Canangabaloon, how Goldfinger gets sucked through that window. Like, it's a campy ending to a great movie, just the under cranking and just seeing Gert Frode gets sucked through that window. Yeah.

It's right out of the novel narratively, but it's a little looney tunes. It's better imagined than seen. with those days special effects. Do you have any honorable mentions, Phil? I don't. I look. I'm happy to give you some. No.

Yeah, please. Jump in. So, Matt, I think something I think we could all agree on. I think if I would like to cut the heroin needles out of the safe in Tomorrow Never Dies. It's like, what is this subplot? Why do I need to know that Ricky J. has heroin problem. Right.

I forgot all of that. I would also like to add... I would change every suit, Pierce Brosnan wore, to the Searsucker suit at the end of the world is not enough. I'd like him to be in that suit through the entire franchise.

I think it's his best suit. That's a Searsucker suit. Isn't it? The tan... Is it linen? I thought the shirt's linen. The blue shirt. Well, you'd know better than I would.

That suit. It just, it just screams. Hi. Even I'm in on that. I'm relaxing, but I'm also James Bond. Yeah. The suit you can swim in. It's the best.

You just take the jacket off, leave it with M, because you know she's going to take care of it. Yeah. Dive on into the water. Right. And I think honorable mention will also go to, I would, in a special edition, I would like to level out, Desmond Lewellyn's hands. Oh, what? Yeah, they're all a golden eye. Whoa.

Yeah, because it's the scale. I just want them all to be. consistent. So I'll go back in time and I will give him a little aspirin. Just shave it off a little bit. Lake grade Desmond Lewellyn. All right. I, I object to that one because it's been such a joy to watch, to listen to you guys. Catalog the varying sizes and the evolution of it that I wouldn't want to, I wouldn't want to sacrifice. Yeah, I don't want to take that. Have we ever gotten that list from someone? Is someone ever? Someone has. Figured out the sizes that we said. So, to wrap this up, Phil,

I can't tell whether you think the prospects of Bond 25 are good. What do you predict? Are you optimistic? I know last time we talked, I think you were cautiously optimistic. We all are. Yeah. What's your gut? I want to say I'm still optimistic, but I also recognize that I might be delusional.

I might just be pinning so many hopes on this because as we've talked about before, this is probably my last Bond as a hardcore Bond fan. When Bond is going to be maybe 20 years younger than me in the next one, I probably am not going to be as engaged. You say that now, but you will be. You think? That's the beauty of the franchise. I think the age doesn't matter so much as what they do with it.

Well, I base it on the fact that I was, you know, this wave of superhero movies. Yeah. I'm kind of past it. Oh, I'm long past it. And I think it's an age thing. I think it's a generational thing. I loved Toby McGuire, Spider-Man, and whatnot. I'm kind of disconnected from a lot of it.

And I think it's because I'm not too old to enjoy it. I'm just not engaging it the same way I used to. They're not making it. for us. And that may be the thing with the next bond. It's not as age is that they're not making it for our sensibilities. And that's fine. Exactly. You wrote about that. That's okay. I'll be it. It's okay. It's okay to like walk away from something. I'm curious to see what they do next. I'm going to keep watching them. But if they make it for for us, it will die with us when it should live on. You know what I mean? Like I actually applaud that because every generation

gets the bond they're born with and probably one that's pretty good when they can really appreciate it. Yep. And what more could you ask for? Yeah. I mean, I'm, I'm excited for one last Craig when I want it to be good, and I think they've got a lot of exciting choices that they've made. But I can't ignore the troubling things about the push and the push of the script, the abandoning of the Danny Boyle script. Yes. This weird competing rumor about he quit because he wanted to kill Bond or he quit because they wanted to kill Bond. I keep hearing it's Danny Boyle that wanted to kill Bond. In fact, no.

Here's what I don't believe that, though. You don't? But didn't Danny Boyle say as much? He didn't say. No. He didn't say. He just said it's a shame. We had some cool ideas.

they wanted to put another writer on it, and that's just not how Danny Boyle works. Yeah. But that's how Eon works, and he should have known that going in, maybe. But I, it's troubling, but I'm hoping for the best. Preparing for the worst and hoping for the best, right?

Yeah. I'm trying to just let it go. I'm not going to watch too much. I'm not going to read too much about it. I did. I did you? Yeah. I went in, I had only seen the trailers.

That's it. Yeah. I didn't read anything. We sort of made that sort of packed with each other. we were only going to do that. That's right. And I wish I would have done that with Skyfall and not Specter. You know, like, it actually kind of ruined my Skyfall experience, which I've since come to

really love that movie. Yeah. But I knew too much going in. And then I wish I would have known a little bit more about Spector to kind of see what I was getting. Honestly, it's so funny that we were so delusional when we first got out of that movie. But that must have been not knowing anything. We loved it.

And I wouldn't, I wouldn't rob myself of that again. So I think maybe we should go on a bit of an embargo. Watch the trailer. While we're on the honorable mention. we move past it, but you said Skyfall and what if just for fun, available as an extra in our set, you get Sean Connery as the Albert Finney role. Nope. Oh, it's been rejected.

Sorry, guys. I hate it. I hate it. I'd sooner take Dalton even. All right. What about a Ton Ton Ton. Alper Finney has a Ton Tonin. I'd rather a Ton Tonin played Albre Finney's...

What if it's Jabba. What if it's job of the hut? Am I hope? James are hot. It's your father's gone. It goes to the left. Phil. Sir.

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I was telling Phil that I took the first issue that was so jam-packed with Halloween stuff and saved it for a plane ride where I just turned off all my equipment and just read it from cover to cover. And I loved it. That's the way to do it. Yeah. Thanks for reading it. Yeah. Where can people find you? Twitter, Phil Nobiel Jr.

That's it. Please don't look from me anywhere else. Okay. Please. Matt, anything? No, I'm just like, I share Phil's opinion about 25. I know. We're officially embargoing, right? Anything but the official stuff, the press conference. The official channels.

Do you think we'll be seeing that press conference soon? I don't know. It's going to be a weird press conference, right? Because there's going to be so many different things they're going to have to answer. It's, it's... Yeah. The last time they did a press conference after starting production was quantum, and it was kind of a quickie thing. It wasn't the event thing that they had done with Pierce's announcement

and with, you know, the last two, I would say. Yeah. So they might kind of be low-key about it, but they do have a lot of questions to answer. I put Kerry Fukinawa, Fukenaga on the, on the Thames boat with the British military. Swimies. That'd be a fun way to introduce it.

All right. Thanks so much, Phil, for being here. It's always a pleasure. Thank you for having me, guys. And if you're out there and you can Photoshop some Force Ghosts into that wedding scene, please do so. Please do so. Otherwise, James Bonding will return. This Bonding podcast.