James Bonding - Danny Boyle and Bond #25

Episode Date: December 20, 2023

Matt and Matt discuss the prospect of the rumored Danny Boyle Bond #25. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information....

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Starting point is 00:01:31 I found the James Bond office at Sony. Really? Yeah, it's right across from my office. Like, it's in the building over. I was over there the other day. It's behind the Ghostbuster cars. But in the window, there's a fucking massive Daniel Craig. And then every Bond,
Starting point is 00:01:50 Daniel Craig poster is in that office. And I felt like going over and like, Hi. Hi. Could I have a sneak peek behind the kitchen carton? Well, you are Matt. In fact, I don't think you even knew that I had already pressed recording. Oh, I did it.
Starting point is 00:02:06 And I'm Matt as well. Welcome to James Bonding. Ha, ha. Stealthcasting. What, guys, I know. Big news. I think I'm going to bother some people next week at Sony. Yeah. Listen, this is a banner day for us because we're recording two episodes in a row.
Starting point is 00:02:21 I can't believe it. You can't believe it. America asked, we delivered. Because we're all still scrambling to get our schedules right, but we promise we will deliver. Our schedules are right now. It's just our guest had a much more accelerated schedule than us. And it is worth it. But that's not even this episode.
Starting point is 00:02:39 We're doing an in-between episode right now where we're going to talk about a little bit of the developing news. This will be a somewhat shorter episode to make room for... Bon 25! Yeah, we have to make this a shorter episode because we've got a recording in an hour. But this is very exciting for some people. It seems like the news is generally good. Let's recap. I love a recap, Matt.
Starting point is 00:03:00 Okay. Bond 25, as we know, is scheduled to be released in 2019. That's right. By Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer and Eon Productions. And Anapurna Pictures. Distributing. This is very exciting. Now, keep in mind, all of this news generally comes through us through various sites,
Starting point is 00:03:18 but we go to our trusted man in the east. We filter through Phil. That's right, we do. Because, honestly, whenever we don't, we get things wrong. Guys, this is what we like to call the filter, spelled with a pH. That's right. We filter No Bill Jr. everything. And we're better for it.
Starting point is 00:03:36 And a lot of times, you know what? Even through that filter, we get stuff wrong and Phil corrects us. He's the one that should be doing this podcast. And if you lived out here, he would be. I don't know why he still lives on the East Coast. But he is our man in the East, so I guess that makes sense. And congratulations to him. He is now the editor.
Starting point is 00:03:51 I believe editor-in-chief. I could have that wrong. I haven't filtered it. Of the new Fangoria magazine. Hey. Very exciting. Mazel Tov. I think someone did a mock-up of his first edition, which, of course, Fangoria is all horror
Starting point is 00:04:06 sci-fi magazine, but his mock-up was just all James Bond stories on the cover of Fangoria. I don't hate it. Well, Phil, we love you, and we're going to reference your article here in Birth, Movies' Death, about the upcoming news. So, let's talk Danny Boyle. What do I know about Danny Boyle? I like Danny Boyle. I know he makes movies.
Starting point is 00:04:30 that people enjoy. Right. Have I seen a Danny Boyle movie? Sure. Train spotting? I haven't seen trains spotting. Sunshine? Haven't seen Shumdog Millionaire?
Starting point is 00:04:41 I've seen Slumdog Millionaire. Well, guess what? I haven't. 127 hours? Is that the climbing movie? Yeah. Yes. I have not seen that.
Starting point is 00:04:52 Oh. The Steve Jobs movie? Which one? The good one. not Ashton Coucher No, the Michael Fassbender one I haven't seen it I have
Starting point is 00:05:04 Oh So we are uniquely qualified To handle this Have you seen the second train spotting? No, I have not I have Excellent Let me see if there's anywhere missing here
Starting point is 00:05:16 I'm sure there are Danny Boyle for me Always felt like a Just one of these guys That directs movies that Oh 28 days later days later.
Starting point is 00:05:29 Yeah. Perhaps, perhaps my favorite zombie thriller. It's great. And I, I haven't. The beach. I've seen the beach. I've always had zombie fatigue and that movie is fantastic. Oh, shallow grave.
Starting point is 00:05:42 I think one of his first films, if not the first, really good. Oh, and he just did Battle of the Sexes. Haven't seen it. Yeah, okay. His new show, Trust, bringing back Brendan Fraser. This is exciting. Yeah. So, as the story goes.
Starting point is 00:05:58 close. Purvis and Wade Neil. Neil, Pervis. And Robert? Wade? Wade? Joe Don Baker. Sure.
Starting point is 00:06:09 In one of his bond forms. Either Whitaker or Wade. He, they apparently finished a draft of a script. This is exciting. But the producers were intent on a big name for the next bond for Daniel Craig's potential swan song here. So somehow, Danny Boyle got brought up and I believe they started talking,
Starting point is 00:06:32 but Boyle apparently came to them with an idea. Whoa. He said, I want to do this, and I want my screenwriter from train spotting, John Hodge, I believe. Is that right? Yeah. John Hodgeman. That's right, John Hodge, to do this script.
Starting point is 00:06:48 So what's essentially happening is that script is being worked on right now, and if it comes back and they like it, all signs are go. This is amazing. If they don't, they will likely go back to the Purvis and Wade script without Danny Boyle and probably go to who was, I think, at the top of their short list, which is the director of Hey, singing a song while I'm procrastinating along, stalling for the name. He did that. Ah!
Starting point is 00:07:23 I can't, I literally can't help you. Uh-huh, uh-huh. He did, he did, hold on. Uh-huh. He did, uh, he did, uh, that one with, uh, Chris Pine and his, his name is probably Scandinavian in some way, Yon de Hanga-Donga-Donga. Uh, that one with Chris Pine. And, uh, and Ben Foster, right?
Starting point is 00:07:47 Not Star Trek. Oh, Matt, talk while I look at that. Okay, well, Matt's going to check out everything he knows about the director whose name he doesn't Now, this is interesting, though, if they're looking at a director and he's got such a cachet that his, or maybe his idea was just interesting and unique. And I hope his idea was essentially that James Bond gets in a time machine and goes back to before Spector. See, I shouldn't have let you talk.
Starting point is 00:08:14 Oh, no, no, no, you don't like the idea if he gets a time machine? All right. Jan de Mang. Yang DeMange. He did 71. I was thinking of David McKenzie who did Heller Highwater. That was the one. but I think Jan Demand, who did 71, is believed to be the frontrunner.
Starting point is 00:08:31 Denny Villeneuve is also a lot. I love that because, you know, Sean Connery, of course, says Jan Demand dog in that movie he did. Oh, my God. So that's a little bond connection. You've got a lot to apologize for. See, now, Denny Villeneuve was at the top of my list to do a Bond movie. But Danny Boyle's an interesting choice to me. I love train spotting.
Starting point is 00:08:51 It's one of my... I put that up there in one of my... favorite 90s movies. I saw the sequel. I liked it a lot. He also directed the opening ceremonies for the 2012 Olympics when they did, remember when they did that? Daniel Craig and the Queen skydiving. Do I remember? Matt, there are a few moments, watershed moments in my life when I'm watching the Olympics, and that's the only one. That's the only thing that got me to do it in. Well, I also enjoyed when the Spice Girls arrived on top of black cabs. I don't remember. that. I bet you I just watched the
Starting point is 00:09:26 Daniel Craig thing. I'm a sucker for some Spice Girls. Yeah, they don't hurt anything. No. They make everything a little bit better. That's right. So, this all seems so fast, meaning that they're still slated
Starting point is 00:09:43 for this November 2019 release. And the way that they shoot movies now, it feels like they're shooting movies forever. I know. Unless you're a Star Wars franchise, in which case you spend six to seven months and then a movie is out. That's correct. Now, that very thing I was talking to Phil about this is a concern of his is if they do go with this Danny Boyle thing, are they going to have to bump the release date?
Starting point is 00:10:03 And I was thinking that they probably still wouldn't because they didn't with Spector when they had issues. And they've just known for cramming things in, but he might be right. They'll do it fast. Yeah. Fierious. Oh, my God. Wait a minute. Wait a minute.
Starting point is 00:10:15 And Diesel's the villain. Crossover. What would that be like? Oh, that's a whole other podcast that we shouldn't do. You haven't seen them, right? I've never seen one. This is the other thing we have to do. Guys, it's going to be a big three months for our Patreon page, which we haven't started yet.
Starting point is 00:10:32 Then we do fasting and furious where we don't eat, but we watch all of the fast and furious. We don't eat for 12 to, no, God, there's eight of them now. So that'd be 16 hours of not eating. God. We will get furious. It would have to be when the new one comes out, which is, is there one this year? No. There's got to be.
Starting point is 00:10:48 No. There isn't one every year. They're doing a spin-off one with Hob. Rob's, the Rock's character, and, um, and, uh, what's his face? The Jason Statham's character. They get their spinoff. Oh, thank God. You know, because it's just adorable because the rocks, you know, so big, right?
Starting point is 00:11:11 Yeah. And then Jason Statham, he's not so big. Okay. And yet they can both fight. I see. So it's pretty amazing. All right. Wow.
Starting point is 00:11:19 That's a formula I can get behind. Well, that's about all the time I have to talk about. Thanks so much, everybody. We'll see you next week. with Octopussy. Let's get back to Danny Boyle now. What do you think this idea is? Because the rumor was, the scuttlebutt was that Purvis and Wade had done a sort of on Her Majesty's Secret Service draft. Right. So are you in favor of that happening or getting thrown out? And what do you think this new could do some conjecture on what you think this new one is. Right. We've been down the
Starting point is 00:11:46 let's retread this thing before. It was a little movie called Never Say Never Again. Right. Yeah. We've seen what that would be like. When we redo a story of a James. Bond franchise. So, yeah, I feel weird about a remake. As you know, confusingly, in my heart, I feel that James Bond is always the same person. Oh, no. It's too early in the morning. So, you know, that little weirdness for me is like, eh, I don't know. I don't know if they should do that. Aren't you at all curious to see what they would do with an actual Honor Her Majesty Secret Service reboot. Well, look, in my mind, her name's not Tracy. So we got that going for us. But it doesn't have to be Tracy. Right. But then my question to you then is like, was Daniel Craig's James Bond married to Tracy?
Starting point is 00:12:36 No, we know this. We've covered this. He deliberately and definitively has not been married to any. He's not been married unless they mention it in Daniel Craig's movies. No. End of discussion. Matt, this is really obviously a sore spot for me. I know. I mean, we've seen it. But this has been asked in the answer. I think if Roger Moore never visited Tracy's grave, this wouldn't be as big of a problem for me. That's fine, but there was never a reset in his movies.
Starting point is 00:13:02 There was a reset in Craig's movies. Okay. Okay. Done. Done with that. Okay. Now, if you guys sent some, you know, tension in my voice, it's because we've talked about this. Ad nauseum.
Starting point is 00:13:15 Yeah. And quite frankly, if you want to hear more of this, check out a patron page. we're starting a sub-patrian, which is just on this topic. Just Matt's timeline theories. So, I mean, look, I am worried about this ramp up to production. Because here's what I assume, knowing a little bit about how Eon makes their movies. I feel like they've already been around the globe. They have.
Starting point is 00:13:44 And as Phil wisely points out, like, Inspector, they had, major script reworks, but one of the qualifications was you have to work out something where we crash into the Westminster Bridge because we've already built that. And that's a worrisome sort of thing when you've got to reverse engineer these plots to fit set pieces. Yeah. Because weren't they like location scouting in Eastern Europe or something already for B. 25? I don't know if it was Eastern Europe, but I had remember reading something about them already looking at locations. So, you know, is it that hard to really cram a location to a script? No, I do it every week. So it's not like be all end all. It's like, could we set this there? Yes. Set piece crash into a bridge,
Starting point is 00:14:31 crazy. If they have to do something like that, that's a little more of a wait, what? I don't think they've done that yet, though. I don't think they've started building. I don't believe so either. Hopefully not. But the one good saving grace of this is maybe Danny Boyle's idea doesn't use Blofeld, which with Christoph Walt's not coming back. Or maybe if it does, it uses it in an interesting way or something, because that was something that was going to be a little tough. Like, to get back into the old school, Blofeld changes every time thing. There's no number one or number two in this, right?
Starting point is 00:15:03 There's no, in the boardroom scene, we don't have any number identifications of people, right? I don't believe so. I would be interested in a number two, in a specter. That's a good idea. Yeah. And it just kicked Blowfeld down the road a bit. So still using Specter I'm way on board for. It's going to be interesting, though.
Starting point is 00:15:26 I mean, the political climate now is so crazy. Whatever do you mean? International politics is crazy right now. Not here. We're fine, everyone. Send help. Send help. Here's something else for my theory that Quantum of Solace is going to age like a fine.
Starting point is 00:15:45 wine. The water crisis with South Africa running out of water. Come on. Parts of Mexico are already out of water. Come on. Come on. Water is a commodity, everybody. That's why Nestle bought all that water.
Starting point is 00:15:56 Ten years ahead of themselves. Well, I think any natural resource, if you do a movie about us running out of it, you're going to be okay. That's true. Because we're going to run out of it. It's also kind of boring. You know, I do wonder, I got a figure, right? If we're looking at a year, like, like, what?
Starting point is 00:16:17 what, 18, 19 months until the next movie comes out, right? Yeah. So if we're looking at it like that, they've already got to have, I'm just talking production side of things. They've already got to have their fucking Heineken's in place, their Smearnoff's in place, their Aston Martin,
Starting point is 00:16:35 their, whatever their big tie-ins are going to be. I'm sure Omega's back on board. So for that, it's interesting because with these movies, they're not really James Bond movies I would say of the last 20 years or so
Starting point is 00:16:57 so yeah I would say last 20 years 98 Tomorrow Never Dies Forward they feel more like commercials than they used to yeah speaking of that
Starting point is 00:17:08 I obviously got it wrong last episode that when I was saying we hadn't watched we had watched the world is not enough I meant tomorrow never dies but I think you can forgive me my confusion
Starting point is 00:17:18 I can't personally I cannot We, of course, will be covering the world is not enough. Because the linen suit that he wears in... Yeah. Well, that is a bright spot in that film. It's not at all featured in Tomorrow Never Dies. No, but...
Starting point is 00:17:35 So I wonder... What was I saying? Oh, yeah, they feel like very commercial. So I wonder how someone like Danny Boyle, someone who's sort of seemingly autori, seemingly independent, seemingly like... I would say, He's a great.
Starting point is 00:17:57 He's a more, like when I think of Sam Mendez, I think of, I think of films that are visually interesting and polished. Yeah, Danny Boyle is a little more greedy. And Danny Boyle, I think, is, I think of as more judging by the movies I've seen and the movies you've seen, thus we've seen his entire catalog. I think of them as more gritty. Yeah. And realistic. I agree. And he's known for kind of working fast and working on small budgets.
Starting point is 00:18:42 He's even said about a Bond film prior to this that he didn't want to do him because he's used to like $20 million films. And he likes working with those constraints. But actually, the more I think about it, the more I think I'm up for this. Yeah. Yeah. Especially if he's got an idea and he's got his screenwriter. His screenwriter is John Hodge. Here are his films.
Starting point is 00:19:02 Shallow grave, which I really liked. Last 10 minutes is a short, don't know it. Train Spotting. A lifeless ordinary? Do you remember that movie? Vagely. What is that? Is that like a romantic comedy?
Starting point is 00:19:12 Yeah, it might be. Or a dromedy? Is that that? Oh, it's with Ewan McGregor and... No, and Renee Zellegger. No, you're thinking of... Oh, I'm thinking of... That, like, remake of Sex and the Single Girl or whatever it is.
Starting point is 00:19:29 Yeah. You're McGregor and Cameron Diaz? Yeah, are Holly hunters in it? Let's see. Yeah, Cameron Diaz, that's right. Oh, I like that film. Okay, here we go. I was back from my blockbuster days.
Starting point is 00:19:43 The beach, I've never seen that, but now I think I want to watch that. Oh, the beach is decent. That was his follow-up to Titanic, DeCabria. That's what he decided to do after he was the biggest star in the world. Well, probably because he just got off that boat right there in Mexico, and went right to the beach and was just dazed, and Danny Boyle said, do you want to shoot this in four hours? And $40,000?
Starting point is 00:20:03 Okay. The final curtain, the seeker, alien love triangle. That's a short. The Sweeney. No, I don't know it. Trance. Don't know it. The Sweeney, Colin Paris. Uh-huh. The program and T2 train spotting. T2 train spotting, judgment day. Love it. Okay. Well, I mean, it's just, it's, I guess he's Scottish. He's going to be out of his element. writing something this big. I don't, maybe, but he's Scottish, so he's got to be steeped in the Bond lore in some way.
Starting point is 00:20:42 God, I'd love it if it was all in Scotland. I know, I wouldn't mind going back. Are you kidding me? Yeah. Like, really get in there, dig around. I do want to see a James Bond. No, I don't. Scratch that.
Starting point is 00:20:56 I was going to say I'd like to see a James Bond movie that it really goes nowhere, meaning location-wise, but I was like, no, that's not what I want to see. Like a bubble up? episode? Yeah, like a bottle episode. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:06 Like the whole thing takes place in MI6. Or in an interrogation room. That sounds a little too boring for me. Yeah. At least in MI6 you can like have some fun interactions, run into Robinson. Maybe he's still there. That's right. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:21 Tanner Robinson. The thing that I find now that this is to the point where like I want news on this as much as I do the Mueller investigation. Because you got to figure this news is. is going to come pretty quick. They're either going to do this or not, probably within the next few weeks to a month or two. Ultimately what? It's Barbara's decision, right? Yeah, I would assume. This is Michael, like, sort of like... I don't know. I don't know that, but I'm sure Daniel Craig has some saying it, too, and he's probably in on this, but we still have never solved the mystery of how
Starting point is 00:21:53 much Purvis and Wade are responsible for the good or the bad. So I'm dying to know what their version is. I'm trying to think of how to get a hold of drafts. You're in there in the Sony office. I know. Put on some night vision goggles and dressing a black turtle neck and go in there and get it. I bet they are... Like North Korea, you hacked Sony and released Specter. I'm going to pull it Donald Trump and ask for North Korea to hack Sony again. Please don't.
Starting point is 00:22:21 Life on a lot was not fun at that point in time. I'm told credit cards didn't work. We had no internet. When the writer's assistants had to send things, they had to go to the Starbucks that's down the street to get on the Wi-Fi. Yeah. So, not a fun time. What is this idea I'm dying to know? What do you want it to be?
Starting point is 00:22:48 I would love the idea of, we talked about this a bit on the 10% of the last episode where we actually talked about from Russia with love. And by the way, I loved having Kevin as a guest. We got to have him back. Oh, he's great. He's one of my favorite podcast. people. He's great.
Starting point is 00:23:06 But again, and I've said it before and I'll say it again, that Gilmore Guys podcast was a delight to do. I would love something that just gets back to basics like that. I mean, this is, we're a broken record. We're saying all the time, but I felt like we got them. I felt like we got that inspector. Like we sort of got what we. The third act tried to put it all back.
Starting point is 00:23:29 To want. What we thought we want, I think. And I think because it was parceled out to us, that was our initial joy in the movie. And I haven't rewatched it since, I haven't seen it again since we went to the I-pick. Specter? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:50 Oh, really? Yeah. Hmm. How do you feel about that? Ask me how many times I've seen Octopussy since then. How many times? Probably seven. I know.
Starting point is 00:24:01 That was not a problem for me to watch this movie for the upcoming episode. I finished it this morning. I had to get up to finish it this morning. That is another one that ends a lot. It ends a bunch. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, it definitely does. Oh, we're good here.
Starting point is 00:24:14 We'll talk about that. Oh, yeah. We'll talk about that. What would you like to see it be? Like, okay, let's say he does go on a mission. Yeah. What kind of mission and where? More importantly, where do you want to go?
Starting point is 00:24:23 Well, this is sort of what I was talking about with the state of politics at this point. It just seems to be like everything's done with a keyboard nowadays. I know. I don't want it to reflect any current political crisis. I know they kind of do that vaguely a lot. I like my bond's a little more timeless. Sure. It's so hard to...
Starting point is 00:24:47 Let's go through a beat by beat. Where do you want it to be set? You get two locations, two major locations. Where do you want them? Personally? Yeah. I would like to see Daniel Craig's James Bond in Las Vegas. Oh, boy.
Starting point is 00:25:03 I would love to see... Current day, Las Vegas? Yes. Why don't you just send them to Disneyland? Man. You're face lit up. Matt. I don't know what you're doing, but you got up on the mat side of the bed today.
Starting point is 00:25:20 This sounds fantastic. Well, I could save, I'm going to save Eon Productions literally $100 million right now. You ready? Yeah. The whole movie shoots an Epcot. Because it goes around the world. World Showcase. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:35 You want to do a scene in Macau? We don't have Macau. You want to do a scene in Macau? in Morocco. You'd start in London. You'd start London, right? Yeah. You head back.
Starting point is 00:25:45 Oh my God, we're in France. This is amazing. James Bond's in Paris. But he's meeting M at like their London brewhouse or like pub at Epcot. Okay. Because there's no like MI6 there. There should be a little MI6. Well, there is a room that is no longer used that used to be used for Winnie the Pooh meet and greets.
Starting point is 00:26:03 It's Christopher Robin's bedroom. I think that'd be a fun AM's office. Okay. Or Q's workshop. But, I mean, here's what you could do. You could hit Canada, London. You could hit Canada, England, France, Italy, Japan, America, China, Morocco, Okay.
Starting point is 00:26:27 But let's talk. Let's talk seriously, Matt. I can't entertain this idea that it would be amazing. It's brilliant. Oh, I'm not saying we, Matt, I'm not, you're misunderstanding me. The movie doesn't take place at Epcot. We just use the sets. So a bunch of restaurants?
Starting point is 00:26:46 Every country restaurants. A small scale Eiffel Tower. You mentioned Canada. Bond has never gone to Canada. Montreal. Oh, man, Montreal would be great. What about some like French Canadian villain? I'm going to be a podcast turned away from you now.
Starting point is 00:27:01 You are. You're not even looking at me. A French Canadian villain sounds great. An apologetic villain? Like, Bond's villains are always very polite and hospitable to him. Yes. This would be like overkill. Next level.
Starting point is 00:27:15 Maybe that's his weapon is overkill of politeness. So nice. He's not been to Australia, South America, or Canada are the major places he's never been in the films. I mean, I could see some fucking, like a great chase through Sydney Harbor. Yeah, that bridge. Yeah. Oh, man. I hope they don't build that bridge.
Starting point is 00:27:34 Slighting on the top of the opera house there. beautiful I love it I'd like Canada because I know we got snow inspector but they didn't really use it for anything I want to see Bond ski or something yeah that's what you want yeah and you think the best place for him to do so would be in Canada no I think it would be the Alps but that's where they were last time right where they were yeah yeah but if you're going to go to Canada why not yeah you'd like to see him in Egypt again yeah that'd be interesting I think yeah yeah New York would be interesting again. Modern day Manhattan.
Starting point is 00:28:14 That is interesting. What would that look like? That's hard to imagine. It is? But, I mean, man, if they shut down those streets and you got a car chase going on in Manhattan... They'd do it for Bond. Fucking awesome. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:30 It would be good. I don't know, though. I mean, I just feel like he... What do you think Daniel Craig wants out of this? Meaning, like, what do you think he wants for his James Bond? Do you think he's like asking them to kill him? No, I don't think he is anything that concrete. I think he wants another skyfall probably,
Starting point is 00:28:49 because that seemed to be the movie that he was most satisfied with. I'd love another casino reall, especially like thematically bookending it in that sense. That's one reason why, that's one reason why Honor Majesty Secret Service, if done right, would be like a really good swan song. But not ending with Tracy's death, maybe that comes kind of at the beginning like we talked about. And then the rest is a revenge mission and maybe sanctioned by M. Like it really is a mission to get Blofeld.
Starting point is 00:29:19 And that ends his, what's a five movie series? You might be on to something like that. Quintilogy? Because, well, police academy until six came out. So I'm not trying to think of an example. What's the name for it? quit it would be a penta
Starting point is 00:29:40 pentology pentology but what you're saying here though if you kill her in the first act I like this I like this a lot what they considered for diamonds or forever originally
Starting point is 00:29:52 for my in my brain what the movie then becomes is taken with James Bond the movie taken yeah yeah
Starting point is 00:30:01 like it's I mean James Bond on a revenge mission we've seen little glimpses of it But we've never had a full-blown. A license to kill is sort of that way. Hmm.
Starting point is 00:30:16 Oh, that's true. He is going after. I don't know, though, because that one, he's doing a little too much James Bond in that, in that middle act where he's trying to ingratiate himself and like. But I like that. I want him just to be. Brutely. Angry.
Starting point is 00:30:40 Man on fire. Let me ask you this. Do you think Danny Boyle came to them as kind of, kind of like very familiar with the Daniel Craig timeline saying like I have an idea that responds to the prior movies or he came to them and said I have an idea for a Bond film. Let's just do this and of course Daniel Craig's our man. Do you think it's independent of those films or do you think it really fits in? Yeah, I would imagine too he's kind of got some something. Danny Bullough strikes me as someone who is painfully aware of the legacy. So you do think it would respond to the prior
Starting point is 00:31:18 movies. No, I think he's just aware of like the overarching legacy of James Bond, the 24 movies that we've had and sort of that thematic thing. And I don't, the whole build out of the cinematic universe of James Bond and connecting every movie, I think was the biggest mistake they've made storytelling wise in the entire franchise. Really? Yeah. Yeah, it doesn't age well. It didn't bother me when I first saw it, but that and the brother thing is too much for one movie. I mean, it's just, because you're just taking, you're sort of just taking everybody's problem with Skyfall with, um, with the, oh, I wanted to get cut. All the, here's my plan.
Starting point is 00:32:05 Yeah. Uh, you're just sort of taking that and like blowing it up. Yeah. Into this into this now complete crazy arc. Like, because if Silva wants. wanted to get caught and so on and so forth. We've talked about that at nausea, but like if that was really the case, you know, that train coming through, there's so many like, wait, what?
Starting point is 00:32:30 How did he figure that out? But you suspend disbelief from the movie. But, like, to then, like, say, well, actually, even that was a part of his half, his stepbrother's plan to just keep needling his stepbrother. Right. Like, what is he doing? Like, literally, at the end of that movie, you're just like, so you just have been jealous of the fact that your father enjoyed skiing with me. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:02 So now what you did was throughout my life, you have just been needling me. It also really diminishes Silva's character because his whole purpose in Skyfall was kind of an ideological, like, I need to get back at M kind of thing. Yes. this implies, like, it was still Blofeld's idea, like, to go, I want you to go get revenge on him and stuff. And it just, it doesn't, it doesn't feel right for Silva to be subservient to Blofeld. Like, he's too much of a rogue. Or was it that Blofeld allowed it to happen? Yeah, you could justify it that way.
Starting point is 00:33:37 But when you think of it again, like those last two Craig films, when you think about them even, like, twice, they don't hold up structurally. Which is interesting, too, because these John Hodge films, some of them are sort of plot-based, like shallow grave, but they're better character pieces, which I think is good, too. Like, the train spotting especially, it's adapted from the novel, but it's very different from the novel. So he's got his own chops. In fact, the novel isn't even that structured. It's just kind of like almost vignettes in many ways.
Starting point is 00:34:13 But the film itself really has a linear story while at the same time. it's all about the character. And I always think that in Daniel Craig's era, especially the character stuff, has really been the best. So I'm less concerned about the plot and more about, like, that's what where Skyfall really shines, is the dialogue and the character stuff.
Starting point is 00:34:32 Yeah. And so maybe they'll just keep the plot really simple. It'd be nice to have a simple Bond movie again. Well, I guess more that's, I guess, what I'm looking for more than a bottle episode of James Bond, I guess, is really just something simple. But, you know.
Starting point is 00:34:46 You want a clip show where They sit on the couch and go, remember that time? Hey, do you remember when I got married to Tracy Bond? Then he winks right at the camera. Do you remember when I shot a shark bullet into this one fella? You know, that was the fun thing of that Golden Eye video game. That Golden Eye, not the 64 version, but when they remastered Golden Eye. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:13 Oh, I'm sorry, it wasn't called Golden Eye. The Legends? Legends. Yeah. Because it threw down. Craig into all of those movies. Oh, here he goes again. Guys, it's patreon.com forward slash James Bonding, probably. Anyway, we don't have any definitive answers.
Starting point is 00:35:31 We're just sort of musing on this episode. That's what we're doing. We're sitting around. We're talking to our friends, you, the audience, and we're just sort of going like, well, what do you think? And what are you speculating? What are you think is going to happen? Do you have any predictions? Do you have any inside information? Yeah. Don't forget to give us a like. And hit that subscribe button. That's right. Any business we got to cover. The knick-knack Tabasco shirts are close to being ready.
Starting point is 00:35:56 We've seen the final design. Abraham Mustafa knocked it out of the park. I would like to bring up one thing regarding Mr. Daniel Craig. His Aston Martin is going up for auctions. So if you'd like to buy Daniel Craig's Aston Martin DB 11, then you have your chance. It's estimated to go between $400,000 and $600,000. I also find it odd, by the way, and I think, did you and I discuss this, that Daniel Craig, who occasionally seems to have problems with being James Bond, would drive around it in an acid Martin.
Starting point is 00:36:40 He did? Yeah. Do you think he really drove it? Yeah, that was his car. Wow. Anyway, the Daily Mail is sending, put a story out about his appearance at the BAFters. The BAFTAs, I just said. The BAFTA, very English.
Starting point is 00:36:57 Very un-Baptur. New Englandy of me. And the headline is, double over tired. James Bond star, Daniel Craig, 49, leaves fans baffled with shockingly waxy, older appearance at the Baptist. Is there a picture? There sure is, my friend. He just looks. He's got a little water weight on him.
Starting point is 00:37:24 Yeah. But, you know, he's entitled. Quite frankly. He looks like, I mean, there's, it's like Steve McQueen and Spencer Tracy got together a little bit. Well, quite frankly. That's a great combo. Also, he'll have no problem getting back in shape. And more so, I am not one to talk.
Starting point is 00:37:47 I would still be happy to look like that. kidding me? I would die to look like that. A lot's happening. We're very excited about it. There's going to be more and more news as time goes on and you know where to come to get your news. That's right. Well, mostly follow Phil on Twitter. Yeah, really. You do yourself a favor. I've also got something coming out that is Bond related. It's a piece of visual work. So watch my Instagram and Twitter places in the next week or so. Yeah, Matt's been working on something that is quite frankly beautiful. Do you want to to see the finish. Don't say anything.
Starting point is 00:38:20 I will look at the finish because, quite frankly, I'm here and they're not. Matt, that's fucking beautiful. Thank you, my friend. That is beautiful. It combines two things that if you listen to this podcast, you know that I love. Oh, my God. It's really terrific. It's fantastic.
Starting point is 00:38:40 You're all going to be very excited about it. Proceeds for this print will go to me. So that's it. This is a shorter episode, but a goody. Yeah, listen, it's news. You got news. We got news. Follow Phil.
Starting point is 00:38:56 Get real news. Can you, do you think next in between an episode we can actually get to a movie? Is it time? Yeah, I think it is. We should start with Casino Royale 67. You think so? You don't think? I mean, that's the one big bond we haven't covered.
Starting point is 00:39:13 And we'll get Maurice back here. And that doesn't have to be done in the... the regular Bond other weeks. Right? Oh, like we could fit it in for a... I just feel like because of the James Bond movie. That's a good question. Because it's the character James Bond.
Starting point is 00:39:31 You know what I mean? Yeah, but I'm not picking that for my next week. No, no one is. It'll be last. I don't. We'll talk about that. We'll figure it out. All right.
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