James Bonding - Directors of James Bond Ranked

Episode Date: December 6, 2023

Matt and Matt rank all eleven directors of the James Bond franchise. (EON produced) Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Uh, cool. Everybody, welcome to the James Bonding podcast. I'm Matt. And I am Matt as well. We are here with a special in-betweener for you guys. That's right. It's another Saturday morning here. After I had another long night out,

That marks the only too long night out that I've had in probably the past 10 years. Did you really go out again? Yeah. I went to one of those personal karaoke booths. And let me tell you, I dug into Skyfall. Who was there? Any friends of the pod? Well, Amanda, my wife.

There you go. Yeah. There you go. I just want to know if there's anybody else there who could like appreciate you're digging in on it. I think they would be kind in giving me more credit than I deserved because it wasn't my best work. Well, Matt, I'm glad you rallied and you were able to be here today in your own home office

while I am in New York. It's the last of the bunch that we have to do part, and quite frankly, I'm excited about it. That's right. now we can finally get to some of these off-brand films. The world is our oyster, my friend. And once I'm on hiatus.

It is never enough. The world is never enough. Speaking of the world is not enough, Matt. Today we decided to tackle something a little different. It's not that different because it is sort of a ranking, if you will. I will.

You will and they will. We are talking about all of the directors of the James Bond franchise. Eon produced everybody. Eleven total of the official directors. I was hoping there'd be ten just to make it easy to have it or just clean. Oh, top ten. Yeah. Well, we could do top ten with honorable mention for number 11. Top ten with a single elimination round. But that is pretty incredible. There's 24 films and 11 directors. So that's an average. of what, like two point something per director?

Yeah, I mean, what throws it off a bit is these, uh, one, two, three, four, five, five one time directors. Yeah, four of them Brosnan directors. Yeah. I mean, listen, they gave him no consistency. They really set him up for failure, Matt. Or did he just ruin these men where they couldn't take it anymore? Disagree. You know what it was?

There was like some, some people were like, I can't direct these movies. There's no room for me on the stage with Desmond Lewellyn's hands. So, you know what? I'll do it once and that's it. Well, let's recap who these directors are in the order that they appeared. First of all, starting, of course, with Terrence Young. Yeah. Who directed Dr. Noe and from Rush with Love, then came back for Thunderball.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Then... It took a turn. for Goldfinger we had Guy Hamilton who also went on to do Diamonds are forever live and let die the man with the golden gun am I missing any for him nope that's it and then by the way by the way we'll say that about Guy Hamilton and maybe we'll talk to it about it when we get to it let's just yeah listed then Lewis

Gilbert who did you only live twice the spy who loved me and Moon Raker then it's Peter Hunt, who the one-time director who did on Her Majesty Secret Service, long-time editor. Mm-hmm. Then we have, I'm doing all of this by mind. By mind. Then we have John Glenn, who did, For Your Eyes Only, Octopusy of You to a Kill, the Living Daylights, and Licensed to Kill. Right? Then Martin Campbell for Golden Eye and Casino Royale.

Then is it Roger Spotus Wood? Spotus Wood? I think it's Spotus War. Yeah. Who did tomorrow never dies. I mean, the world is not enough, right? No, tomorrow never dies. Then Michael Apted did the world is not enough?

Yes. And then Lee Tamahade. Yeah. We've been schooled on how to pronounce this name. So much so that we didn't want to mess it up. So I went and watched a video of him being introduced at a New Zealand Film Commission conference. So if we are pronouncing it wrong now, quite frankly. We're still sorry?

I guess. And then Mark Forster for Quantum of Salas. And then here's another one that I've been schooled on for pronunciation. Do you say Sam Mendez or Sam Mendez? I say Mendez. Mendez. So I say it wrong, apparently. Go ahead.

What is it, Matt? I don't know. I thought you got schooled on it. I did, but it was so long ago. And frankly, I don't, I don't get into it. Oh, boy. But he's our last. Yeah, Sam Mendez.

Sam Mendez, I think, is what it is. I don't know. You know what, bear with us. Yeah, listen, I think everybody's just excited to be a part of this conversation and tell us everything they think. That's right. Yeah. Well, Matt, it's interesting here that we have this list in front of us. I have also pulled up a list of adjusted box office for inflate.

Oh, great idea. You're welcome. So I think we can also... Well, I never thanked you. I just said it was a great idea. You're welcome. And thank you. So it'll be interesting to see some surprising numbers on this box office updated for inflation.

So is it box office per director? Well, Matt, I would have to do math for that kind of a thing. But it is box office per most. movie. I will say this. I will say number one on the list of the most domestic is, you're not going to guess it. Most, that's a challenge. Not global, domestic. This is, yes, this is, this is domestic United States. So, for instance, uh, skyfall made $304 million domestically. And that's not number one? No. It's not.

It's number three. Is it die another day? No. Casino Ryan? We'll get to this. Okay. You're not even close. You're not even close.

Well, then I don't know what to say. But yeah, so it's time. We're going to go through each director, ranking them from top to bottom, or rather bottom to top. Yeah. And we'll get into it. Matt, let's just jump right in. I feel like you're number one. I just have a feeling on your number one.

And quite frankly, I'm not going to agree with it. Wait, you're talking about my number 11. Your number 11, I'm sorry. I think our number 11 and our number ones are probably the same. Really? Yeah. Okay. All right.

My number 11 is Lee Tamahade. Oh, you did it. I can't believe you did that. I was so expecting Roger. I know, but, I mean, I, I, I do think that even though I enjoy watching die another day more than tomorrow never dies just because it's so bat shit crazy, I do think it's pretty poorly. I mean, it's bonkers.

I'm sure a lot of it was probably mandated by the time it was done and maybe the producer's saying they want to kind of ramp up things, like literally with the speed. Literally, literally ramp it up. I bet he had quite a hand to play in that. I mean, the sense I get from him is he's got a, a, a flair and personal style that reflects his directing and it maybe is a little overreaching. Yeah, I will say the video, the video I watched of him, he was in a fur coat. And I was like, you know what, that's a fucking director. Was this when they were shooting the ice castle scene?

No, no, no. This was recently. In Palm Springs. In a building near a train station. Okay. I know that because the train went by and it was very funny. What are your thoughts on Lee Tamahari? Well, listen, this is not to take away from his body of work outside of the James Bond franchise now. I'll have to say, we're rating all of these people on their performance with the franchise we love so much. Yes, because he was renowned for his, what's that we were... Once we're warriors? Yes, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. So that being said, I have to agree with Matt. die another day is so bad shit. He didn't get a chance to come back and do anything else. So it's, it is what it is. That being said, there are some nice shots in the movie?

What? Not really. Are there any nice shots? I'm trying to think right now. Visually. I like the car chase on the ice. Like, that's done well,

but part of me thinks that was maybe a second unit director too. But also I think the part of that's not done well because of the speed ramping. It happens so much in that particular instance. Now, is that a post-production thing, or do you think they actually set up those Matrix cameras, those 360 cameras? To do the speed ramps?

Yeah, but don't they do... I guess they don't do that, like, revolver. No, they don't do like a rotating situation, thank God. That's how bad I remember this in my mind, that everything freezes and Neo jumps out of that BMW. and classic Neo. And that really for me, the fact that I can't think of anything good. Well, you know what?

The sword fight, I like the direction of the sword fight that happens inside the fencing club. But you know what we're also talking about is like tone and what he's doing with the actors. And I think he's not, ah, you know, like I think that was one of the considerations I put into some of the work here. and that's why, like, there might be some slight surprises on my list in terms of how the director works with the actors and how believable performances he gets. And, I mean, the acting in this film is definitely on par with the visuals and that it's all

just on cocaine. Yeah, it's on that, it's on that snowy Arctic power. What do you think it would be like if Lee Tamahade had gone on to direct Casino Royale? that's an insane question. I don't know. Amazing. I would love to see that. I honestly have no clue.

That's crazy to even think about. Yeah. It's hard to think about that movie done by anybody but Martin Campbell because it's so it's so well done. Anyway, I'm sure we're going to get to that very shortly.

Yeah. Not very shortly, actually. It's going to be a while. Okay, so Matt, we had the same number 11. On this list. Yeah. It's time to talk about the number 10. And since you went ahead with your 11, I will, I'll swing through with my fancy-dancy number 10.

It is, ladies and gentlemen, Michael Apted. The world is not enough. And we'll do that thing where we won't talk about it until. Okay. So, Matt, what is your number 10? My number 10 is Roger Spotus Wood. Oh, that's interesting. Roger Spot.

I can talk about him for a while. Spot his wood. Spotteswood. All right. So that is out of the way. Number nine on my list, Matt, this might surprise you. Hmm. All right?

Okay. I just want to throw this out there before I say the following. Lewis Gilbert. Not altogether surprising. Okay. Okay. You know what? I'm torn about that myself. I'm struggling with where to put him in this list, but I don't have to decide that right away.

No, you don't. Number nine for me, Michael Aptead. What? We're going to talk about Michael Aptead. The world is not enough. B. B, B, B, B, B, all right, let's talk about this movie. He's number nine for me because I, like, I can't think of anything either way. You know, both he and Roger Spottis would, what is kind of that way to me, where it's just like, eh, okay, I guess.

The film got finished. It did. Well, you know, and it's interesting. I haven't watched The World. It's not enough since the last time you and I watched it for the earlier version of the James Bonding podcast. Yeah. So I'd be interested to revisit now, but. Just going back in my head of the film, he gets good performances.

I like Robbie Coltrane's performance in it. Yeah. I like, you know, it's some over-the-top Brosnanisms. Yeah. It's a little bit of a, I think, you know, it's interesting about that movie is Judy Dench has the most to do in that movie to that point. Do you know what I mean? She has more to do in that than she actually does it,

Casino Royale, Vondra Salas, Diner the Day. Yeah. It's not really until we get to Skyfall that we see another performance from her like that. Right. Where she's actually doing, she's actually in more than two scenes and involved in the plot. And in that movie, she is woven throughout the story. Also, you got two villains that kind of have actual souls. See, that's why I'd put him above Spaduswood because Carver's going nuts in that movie.

but it's just kind of a cartoon performance. And I think Renard and what's her name, Electra, they've got some depth to their character. This is a movie. I actually think this Brosin's probably my second favorite, because I could see where this one almost made it. You know, if you'd take Denise Richards out and maybe scale back some of the goofiness and the plot a little bit,

there's something here. I'm actually looking forward to seeing this one again. Yeah, it is also, there's a lot of, of, it's Desmond the Welland's last scene. Yeah. So it will be interesting to revisit his hands and see how big they got. And you've got that Trinking. Brosnan suit that you love so much? It has a linen suit with a blue shirt that is just the Bees Knees.

It is pretty good. Do you have that? I forget. No, there were a couple times where I almost purchased one and then realized I do not have the build of Pierce Brosnan. Well, who does? It looks, it would look ridiculous on me. So I've held off. But you know what? Maybe a couple summers from now, Matt, you and I on a beach, and I'm wearing that suit, and you fall into the ocean.

I have to save you. So I'm going to dive. What I'll do, actually, is I'll go find the highest point nearby. So I hope you can tread water for a little bit. Sure. That sounds, I'm into this. Yeah. So, I mean, not an incapable director.

Nothing. There's nothing. I mean, how much of a performance can you get out of Denise Richards in that role, really is the question. Right. But then part of directing, too, is casting. And this is where I really wonder, like, how much the producers are saying it's got to be this person or the director. Like, they always seem to collaborate pretty well on these movies. I think to my, to my knowledge, or rather not to my knowledge, but to my,

life's thought. I've always thought it was the producers on these movies, more so than anything the director would say. He's also an interesting choice for a director, because isn't he known for that series of documentary films, The Up series, where he follows children from a young age all the way into adulthood? Seven Up and all that show? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What else did he do as, like, narrative films? I'll tell you right now. Please do. Enigma. What's that? Oh, the recent one? The machine?

The 2001. One, not the Enigma Machine. All right, here we go. Ready? A lot of docs. A lot of docs. A lot of docs. A lot of docs.

He did, he's done a couple episodes of recently. A lot of Ray Donovan and Masters of Sex. Oh. And let's see. I'm going to go back. Back, back, back. 20. Play for today.

ITV Playhouse. That's a... Well... Yeah, I mean, really, just a director of documentary up until recently where he's started to get more into television. Okay. So... Well, Matt, what's your number eight?

Let's go back to the list here. Oh, boy. It is interesting how these directors start to... We're going to get to a block in a second that's like... Oh, boy. Yeah, like, how do you know. you put one above the other? Yeah, yeah.

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But I don't think people would be surprised to hear that that one's lower, considering that film's troubled history. I get what you're saying. Yeah. Well, then let's discuss when we need to. Matt, what's your next? My number eight is a journeyman director and someone I like very much. I like his films very much, but we'll talk about it when we get to it.

But John Glenn. Matt, that's so interesting because that was my flip. flip-flop. I was flip-flopping between Forrester and John Glenn. Well, then let me just say that my number seven is Mark Forster, so we'll talk John Glenn, and then we'll talk Mark Forrester. Wow. What a treat. Wow. I mean, really the only thing that saved John Glenn from utter demise for me was his real light touch with a view to a kill. I happen to, it's weird. I put him low on the list, but I happen to really like his films. I guess there's just nothing very special about them.

They're just good, like, job or bond films. And I don't know. Like, he's just right in the pocket with Roger Moore. He's certainly an active. Is my wife showering? Yes, she is. This is crazy. You're in a hotel room and your wife is there.

And she's showering right now. She's, she's, this is crazy. Like, it's like one foot away. She knew I had to podcast today. I don't know why she didn't do this earlier. Well, this is very James Bond. Oh, boy. Should I go in there?

A water pistol. I apologize for the audio, everybody. In fact, I'm just going to like tweak this down just a little bit. Hopefully you just get less ambient. All right. Okay, so, yeah, we're talking about John Glenn. John Glenn. Okay, so let's list the John Glenn movie.

It's for your eyes only. Octopus, a view to a kill, living daylights, and license to kill. Right. Now, of those movies, I think that you and I genuinely really enjoy, really enjoy watching three of them. Octopus, View to a Kill, and Living Daylights. Yeah, I think you're right. Is that fair? Is that fair to say?

That's fair. And he's, and the body of work-wise, it's, it's, it's, it's. It's five movies. I'm looking at him too because this is really all he did. I know. He did other films beforehand, but he did his... Wait, hold on. I'm looking at editor.

Let me look at director. He did something called the Point Men, Space Precinct, Christopher Columbus, Iron Eagle Three, checkered flag. Like, why didn't he work more after Bond? That's weird. Well, you know what? Part of that, Matt, might be that the adjusted for inflation, lowest grossing movie in the history of the James Bond franchise is licensed to kill.

Yeah. Adjusted for inflation, it made $80 million. Maybe he just retired. You think so? I mean, why not? The industry retired him. Well, he would have been 50. when he finished.

Do you think he was like, yeah, I'm good. I've got it all done. It's possible, but I really do like his films. They're not, like, artful, you know? Like, there's nothing all that special about them. They're just kind of, in a good way, they're a little hackneyed, you know, like they're just, they're just riding on the tropes that they already invented before his films. And they, I can't think of anything new. that they really bring in any way.

But in a way that's comforting. Like, his are the most comforting Bond movies to me because they ask nothing of you and take nothing from you. Right. And give you everything you need but nothing more, nothing too healthy. In a lot of ways, you know, it's like when you have a franchise that's extended for this long,

it's a lot like having a TV show that's up and running, you know? Yeah. And you're coming into a family that has been going and making this thing for a long time. Yeah, and he had been a part of that. Yeah, and what's expected of you at that point is to come in and let everybody do what they do well. And, you know, if you have any ideas, great. If it fits the mold, then we'll go for it.

Otherwise, you know, a good director of television is someone who can, you know, fit into the production. Can fit into the system and do and execute, you know, what the showrunner wants executed. and to that point, like, your job, I think at that point, and the point he was doing those James Bond movies, was to go in there and execute what Cuppie Broccoli wanted. Right. And I think, like, the actual praise that should go to him is when he wasn't a director, because he was doing a lot of second unit stuff in editing. Like, he did the Moonraker skydiving sequence.

He did the editing for Honor Her Majesty Secret Service, which was, like, revolutionary. And I'm sure a lot of that was coming from Peter Hunt's direction, but still, I actually think his best time was before he was a director, and he had been with the franchise for so long. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, John, you're great. And don't, if you happen to download this podcast before your next flight,

just know that we love you. That's right. And in the tradition of Desmond Llewellyn's hands, John Glenn has the longest teeth you will ever see. that's right John Glenn's teeth or a moonraker plus or minus

all right so that's John Glenn anything else you care to say about Mr. John Glenn no other than I love his work with the Apollo program

okay well here's the deal John Glenn never flew on the Apollo he was a Gemini and Mercury astronaut okay oh no I'm flew on the space shuttle

you mistake me I'm talking about how he used to head the Apollo fan club for Battlestar Galactica. Oh, this John Glenn. Now I know. There's a third John Glenn. Okay, so then I guess Matt, we're talking about Mark Forrester. You've done it again.

It's Mark Forster. Forster. Forster. But now he's the toughest one because I think that's why this film is so doggone frustrating. Because of the writer's strike and more information is, I feel like coming out over time that he and Daniel Craig really had to work together to make this thing and he didn't get the editing. I would love a world where we got to see the intended quantum of solace. Because there's some great stuff in this movie visually, frenetically.

Sometimes it's a little too confusing. The acting is really good. I actually like the tone. Some people think it's too serious. But I'd really, really, really love to see a director's cut of this film. Do you think we'll ever get that? God, I want it. No, no, I want it.

It will never, ever, ever happen. You don't think? No. No. Why, they, they, the James Bond franchise is not a big BTS friendly situation. You know what I mean? Well, they, they stick things with special features, but I feel like this one deserves it, and they might someday recognize that, because, first of all, they'd make a ton of money, I'd think.

I don't know how, I don't know how many, people are out there clamoring now listeners to this podcast and you and I aside when this becomes the next on her majesty secret service in about 15 years 20 years I think this will happen god I hope I live to see the day like a four hour cut of this movie well man what I love about this movie it is it is beautiful it is a beautiful movie right there are he there's there there there are so many shots in this movie that are just gorgeous. Yeah. The framing's beautiful.

The color is beautiful. The absence of color. You know, you're going over, you know, it's got fire. It's got water. It's got desert. It's, it's really spectacular. I mean, that opera scene is amazing looking. Yeah.

He also brings interesting touches we've never seen before, like the, um, the scene descriptions, like when you go to different places that are kind of like the font is, is integrated into the composition. And I'm really looking forward to watching this movie again. I've been holding up. I've been wanting to watch it, but I keep thinking, I shouldn't watch it now because I'll be watching it soon enough. Yeah.

And I mean, the rooftop chase scene in this movie is fantastic. The cold open of this movie is up there for me as one of the best cold opens ever. As you can go back and listen to on our cold open ranking, cold openings, hot rankings. That was a fun episode. most popular episode of all time of any podcast ever yeah pretty much so

I just cannot get over how I mean this movie so hinges on watching it within a very close distance to casino royale for it to really fully take its form

yeah I once saw him speak at USC they did a kind of bond day where they showed on Her Majesty Secret Service on the big screen, which by the way is so good to see on the big screen. And it was him and Tom Mankowitz and I think Barbara Broccoli. My God. Yeah. I wonder to say maybe even Olga Kerolenko because I think he and Mark Forster or she and Mark Forster were dating at the time. But there's just something about when he talks about the film, you can tell he was really invested in it. And he was really invested in it. And he

really cared. And that's why I'm so bummed that the circumstances were what they were because he wasn't just a jobber coming in. He seemed like he wanted to make a good film, you know, like Martin Campbell did and Sam. Yeah. Again, I have to say, this is like, this is up there with your, with your sky falls as far for me as pure like beautiful James Bond movies. Yeah. So Mark Forster, you are incredible. I wish you got to do more than the one movie. I'm tempted to put them higher on my list,

but because it's only one movie, I feel like... I know, that's where you suffer. I think maybe we should talk about ranking people, ranking the five one-timers in a separate sort of situation. Maybe right after we get to the end of this, we'll just pop back and go boom, boom, boom, boom. that's a good way. So that being said, Matt, that was eight and seven, right?

Right. So it's time to talk about number six. Yes, that was eight and seven. Number six on the list for me is Roger Spottis Wood. That high, huh? Yeah. Are you doing that? No, I'm not.

I'm not. I'm not. I really genuinely, I genuinely like, I like that movie so much. I know you like the movie. I don't do it, I don't do it like to make light of our friendly disagreement over the film. Uh-huh. I do it because I think he pulled the best performance out of Pierce Brosman. Hmm.

Of any, of anybody. I really do. and I will take that to my grave. I know you have your problems with the film. I know that you, you know, generally don't care for a single second of that movie. I think that's fair. But I do genuinely. I enjoy it.

And I think that for me, for my money, again, going back to the whole John Glenn of it all and being someone who can deliver a gentleman. James Bond formula and a James Bond look. And I think that he did, Roger did as good a job as, as he could, given the material. Okay. I'll let you have the last word on that.

You had no word on it. I love it. I think people know where I stand. I just feel like the tone is, is so all over the place and it cancels out the good and the bad. I think that the tone Well for me I don't find the tone to be all over the place I find it to be very tonally James Bond

But that again we've had this discussion many times And I'm sure we'll have it many more times We're going to be old We're going to be decrepit We're going to be in a home In North Hollywood for former podcasters That's right we will And we're going to look at each other

One of us will have a deathbed conversion Or whoever outlives the other will go On his deathbed He relented Matt was right. It wasn't good. Boy, that would be fun. A old home for podcasters. We'll be there watching the director's cut of Quantum of Solis. Let's write that TV show.

Oh, God. Old home for podcasters. Yeah. It's just, we're sitting there talking. We're talking. Constantly talking. No one's recording it. But we're talking. That would be great. All right. So, Matt, who is next on your list? My number six is Lewis Gilbert Nailed it

You nailed it You only live twice Moonwiker And the spy who love me Here's my question Matt Yeah Why

Lewis Gilbert I feel like Is higher than he should be here When you look at the true body of work And you look at a film like You only live twice Which is Which is all right The spy who love me

which is the best of the Brosnan's. I mean, the Brazons, the Moors, the Roger Moore movies, widely accepted as such. And then you'll have Moonraker. So for me, I'm looking at like Moonraker and you only live twice being on the same list here. And I'm like, mm, okay. And then the Spy Who Loved Me in the Middle.

I feel like this drags him down. Yeah, I understand what you're saying. I think I struggled with putting Mark Forster above him. But again, Mark Forster's only got one film. And then again, Lewis Gilbert's, basically only got one film because they're all two the same. But I mean, he did bring something that the prior films didn't have and that was pushing it to its limit. That hadn't been done yet. And I think there's something to be said for that, especially in Bond. And I also think, like,

in Moonraker, there's some, and you only live twice, especially. There's some really great stuff in there, some great shots. Like, some of the cinematography in Moonraker is quite good. And I don't know. They're big, too. Think about the coverage he had to get, too. He did Volcano Lair, tanker ship with two submarines, and moonraker.

Right, that's right. Huge, huge James Bond movies. Yeah. It's worth mentioning, too, that cold opening of Spy Who Love Me was another John Glenn joint. Oh, right. The famous Union Jack

parachute scene. Yeah. But also I just love the sweet little man in his interviews when he's got his Oxford shirt buttoned all the way to the top and his little

sweet speech impediment. I don't know. Louis Gilbert. What else did he direct? He's actually had a career. Suck it, everyone else. Louis Gilbert. Louis Gilbert.

Alfie. He did Alphi. Oh. Educating Rita. Oh. Shirley Valentine. Boy, he's done a lot. Still with us, by the way.

No kidding. No kidding. How old is he? Man is still going. Born in 1920. He's nearly 100. He's 98 years old. Look at all the pictures on his IMDB are him in the blue shirt.

All button to the top. He's just so sweet looking. Hello. Hello, Matt. I'm hunting rabbit. Matt, thank you for liking my movie. You see inside of this boat, we have many tiny submarines, but they're big submarines. They're not miniature submarines.

They're real-sized. Oh, my goodness. Wow, he really... Talk about a career. This guy has been around and has directed almost. I mean, the last thing he directed was in 2002. What was it? It was a movie called Before You Go.

The imperfect lives of three sisters are revealed at their unloved mother's funeral. Julie Walters, John Hanna, Tom Wilkinson, you know, decent cast. Yeah. So yeah, Lewis Gilbert, let's, I'm on a pop over to. the box office mojoes of Lewis Gilbertisms. You only live twice, Matt, is the number four. Okay. Adjusted for inflation, domestic gross in the United States.

That is $329 million adjusted for inflation. Spy Who Loved Me is number 16. And Moonraker is number five. So he's got four and five on the list. Pretty good. Pretty, pretty. good Lewis Gilbut. All right.

It brings us to number five. The top five. Oh, boy, oh boy. Here we are. We're in the top five. And number five for me, buckle up, Mr. Matt Goreley.

Uh-huh. This is the five and four for me. We're flip-flopperinos. Okay. Okay. Just have to say, and this is what I've landed on. Okay. Number five, for me.

Yeah. Yeah. Sam, Sam Mendes. Me too. Whoa. Yep. This is unbelievable.

That's right. He's an interesting fellow because I think Skyfall, his work on that is truly great, really remarkable. And then Spector really knocks his average down quite a bit. Yes. It's interesting. Here's my question to that. to that point of Spector. What?

And we'll obviously address this again when we do our third episode about Spector. And when the director's cut comes out. You love a director's cut. I love it. My question is, how much of the bad things of Spector are on Sam Mendez? Yeah, you're right, because of the script. Yeah. It's a similar thing to Mark Forster.

right but i mean the job mark forrester did consider what he was given yeah with the timing of everything but here's my question on this specter let's talk about a little bit right now but the things we don't like about spectre right yeah i think the main thing that we both are not huge fans of is the trying to tie in together all the daniel craig movies at the end of this film yeah that is a huge that that that that hugely knocks it down in my estimation and the brother thing

yeah the brother the brother thank god i always forget about that it's funny how those two things didn't bother me the first time i saw it and i was very aware that they bothered a lot of people right out of the gate but i for some reason was just like no that seems okay and then really we took a second viewing i think it was because we had so many expectations going into the movie and our expectations like everything we wanted out of the movie

it gave us but on top of those things it gave us horrible things you know what I mean so like we wanted we wanted him to be on a mission

we wanted him to do this that and the other thing they ticked off all those boxes but in addition to ticking off those boxes they decided to do this weird

shared universe thing where all the movies were connected then they decided to do a the brother orphan thing, which was unnecessary. And on top of that, the whole thing with like the specter over the quantum situation, like trying to wrap that into there.

It was a tall order. He did give us a lot of stuff. And he also gave us some beautiful visuals in that movie. Now, he's so high on the list, though, for me, because of skyfall. Right. And just what he was able to accomplish with skyfall. Yeah, so that is a good question. I wonder, I mean, it's obvious there were script problems on Spector and that they were

really went through a lot of versions and they were rushed and they, I think, were clamoring to get that third act done as the film was ramping up to shoot or even shooting. Whereas Skyfall, they really got to develop. But also, wasn't Spector delayed and Sam Mendez wasn't going to do it? And then they decided to wait for. for him. So you would have think they would have had a little bit more to offer their script-wise. But whose idea was it, though, is my question. Whose idea was the connecting them? You know what I mean? Well, I feel like I could be wrong about this, but because Purvis and Wade weren't originally

on that, was it the John Logan draft? Was he who did it, I think? Or Peter Morgan, why do I get those two mixed up? But he did the first draft. This is going to be able to figure out. This is the great mystery of our James Bond fans. I know, but they weren't even on this one at all. And then they were brought on later. And I feel like they added the third act. But maybe it was always intended for them to tie the things together. I don't know.

Why do we not know anyone? I guess because it happens mostly across the pond. But it's like, I find it weird that we don't know tangentially anybody in these movies or dealing with this production-wise. Yeah. I'm going to start poking around Sony You should You're like hey hey

I've seen I walk by some offices I see some Specter and Skyfall posters So maybe I'll just knock over there And be like hey question Yeah And I know the script was leaked The early draft version

But I wonder if there's more than one version out Where you could start to compare The iterations of it I don't know But they're working on the next one Purvis and Wade Yeah solely, right?

Yeah, as far as I know. So this will be interesting to see, because this will be the first Daniel Craig where they go solo, I think. Yeah, for now. Because it was Paul Haggis on the first two. Then, what, let me see who. Logan on Skyfall.

Okay, and Spector, right? And then I believe Logan on Spector as well. Logan went solo on Spector, and that's when they needed to bring in. And then they brought in Purvis and Wade, yeah. Spector, by the way, Matt. Yeah. Number 14 on the adjusted for inflation.

Wow. Skyfall is number three. Hmm. Okay. So I'm just hoping you're enjoying that. By the way, worldwide, Spector is number two. Skyfall is number one. Okay.

Wow. All right? Just see you have that in your head. Okay. Skyfall, of course, made $1.1 billion. Jesus. Specter made 880 million. Skyfall is a billionaire.

It is, it is. And domestic gross is 27.5% of Skyfall's take came from the domestic box office. Wow. Wow. There you go. All right. Number four. Number four with a bullet is Mr. Guy Hamilton.

Me too, Matt. What? This might be our closest list ever. Yeah, that's true. A little, you know, a little, tomorrow never dies again, throwing everything off. Yeah, it always does. Okay, so here's the deal of Guy Hamilton. He gave us, he gave us essentially the future template for all James Bond movies, which is Goldfinger.

But then he followed it up with diamonds or forever. Not a great film. Then he came back up and was like, here's Live and Let Die. And then he did The Man with the Golden Gun, which is boring. And I think for me, and tell me if I'm wrong here,

I feel like since we ranked him similarly, we probably have similar thoughts on it, but Goldfinger and Live and Let Die coming out of the same person. That's a hoot. That's pretty good. I would say he's the most, his films are probably pound for pound

the most fun of any director, if not always great. You know what I mean? Like he's, he's established so many things in this franchise, not only like just plot devices and tropes and stuff, but tone and style. And he was the first to really kind of goof off with it a bit. And so they, for the fun ones, like he, he, even though he did Goldfinger, to me, he's always a Roger Moore type director. Like, I think that's where he wanted to be in that mode. Well, he does sort of get the... Because Diamonds of Forever is a Roger Moore film, no matter how you slice it. It's 100% of Roger Moore film.

What would he have been like in that? I think it's easy to imagine. I think it would be better. I agree. It should have been his first. But, you know, if you're a director and you have Goldfinger under your belt, and we're ranking James Bond movies, I mean, quite frankly. How do you, how do you, how do you not give this guy a top five spot?

That's right. I could also imagine Connery and live and let die pretty easily, actually. That's interesting. Living let die is the most 70s of his wardrobe. Oh, I love it though. That's so good. That light blue denim get up when he walks around Jamaica with Rosie. His, his turtleneck, black turtleneck.

Yes. Stealth outfit. was so good that they threw Daniel Craig in it for Specter. And did you see the new trailer for Mission Impossible? He's in something very similar. Oh. Well, it's all, I guess, a nod to, you know. Goldfinger Matt, domestic box office.

It is the number two, James Bond film, $608 million domestically. Hmm. now goldfinger worldwide does not crack the top 10. Wow. And that's unadjusted. This is unadjusted worldwide box office. Hmm.

Okay. So pretty interesting. $608 million adjusted for inflation. Unadjusted gross, $51 million. Wow. Released December 22nd, 1964. What a Christmas tree. December 22nd?

Wow. 22nd. Interesting. I mean, I always think of James Bond movies as November, December, don't you? Yeah, definitely. Yeah. I mean, some of the summer ones, license to kill, living daylight's view to a kill. Dr. No, for your eyes only, live and let die, spy who love me.

From Rush with Love, Moonraker, you only live twice, for all summer releases, everything else was November, December. All right. Anything else to say about Guy? Guy? Well, but he also directed a fair amount of films that I actually do like. Now my wife is blowdrying her hair without the door closed. She's a podcaster. I know. I know. It's crazy. Honey.

Dory. She obviously can't hear me over the amazing amount of noise that's being made. I apologize to our listeners at home. I can't really hear. it that bad. It's not too bad. All right. Well. So let me just run through a couple of films that he's directed. They're all sort of in his trademark style.

Funeral in Berlin, which is one of the Harry Palmer trilogy, the Michael Kane Ip Kress File movies. That's, I think, the second one. Battle of Britain. Force 10 from Navarone, which is one of my favorite films of all time. God, I love that movie.

I don't think it's a great movie, but it's just one of those World War II movies that, you know, they lose a man as they go along the whole mission every 10 minutes and keep on going. I've never seen it, Matt. Rimo Williams, the adventure begins. What a classic. Cool. Now, you were just going through Guy Hamilton's list. After Force Ten and Navarone, I believe you were talking about... Rimo Williams. Yes, that's exactly it, Matt. And Rimo Williams, the adventure begins where it's basically kind of a James Bond movie itself.

Have you ever seen that? What if Wilford Brimley was in a James Bond movie? And Joel Gray as an Asian person. And Fred Ward, who I wrote into a pilot not long ago. Oh, really? I love him. I love Fred Ward. Yeah, I do too. He showed up in Season 2 of True Detective. He didn't have much to do, but it was really

nice to see him. Very enjoyable. Yeah. Very character, actor, badass kind of guy. Yeah, he's great. So Guy Hamilton, we salute you. Yep. All right. Who's your number three, Matt? I'm wondering if we're going to go... Do you think we'll run out the list of?

together. I think our top five might be exactly the same. This is going to be an interesting discussion. Okay. Yeah. Matt. Yeah. My number three. Uh-huh. Peter Hunt. Oh. Oh. This is where we went to Rye. Yeah. Mine is Terrence Young. Oh, well, we're going to not be able to talk about Terence Young until right now, because my number two is Terrence Young. I'm looking at his IMDV, man, he worked up until 1988. Oh, wow. Yeah. So this is the man that started it all. He started it all, and he made, he made, he made, he made Dr. No.

I mean, you can't, you can't not give him credit where credits do. He made Dr. No, and then he came back and made from Russia with love. And Thunderball. Which, you know, well, I mean, let's not jump into it. But all accounts were every documentary you see on this, everybody always says, you know, he was very much James Bond himself. Yes. They always say that about him. They always say about him because the man enjoyed dressing well and just being an all-around cool dude.

Eating well, drinking well. He sent Connery to his tailor before he had the job, right? told him to sleep in the suit. It's amazing. He got so much out of this. And by the way, he's a hands-on director, Matt. And I'll approve that to you by sending you this photo. He was born in Shanghai.

Wow. Hmm. You sent me something? I did. I sent you a photo of him directing. Okay. Because it's delightful. Oh yeah, he's got his hands on Tatiana in the bedroom scene and from Russia with love.

But look at him. He's in this beautiful hounds tooth type coat in a suit and tie. I wonder, wow. Yeah, his films, you know, obviously just, not just because they started it all, but they do have, um, they do have a, like a class to them that maybe some of the others don't quite, you know what I mean? where the rest are like we know we have to have class. It feels like his don't need to fake it, that they kind of are classy, you know. Yeah, and a lot of what he established, you know, we talk about Guy Hamilton establishing the formula with Goldfinger, but, I mean, I mean, just think of how iconic the shot is of Sean Connery's first words on the screen.

Right. You know, just to frame that up with the, that's amazing, talking to the lady in red, and you're in a smoking. casino and he looks up and lights a cigarette i mean just ready to go from that point on right right and and for me i you know from russia with love is close to a perfect james bond movie well we'll find out next week when we oh my you watch from russia with love what a treat right for everyone listening at home that episode might be a little bit late depends on where our schedule

on Monday. Oh, yeah? Just in case. Okay. All right. I don't have a ton to say about Terrence Young, surprisingly. I think just because his is really the gold standard. Like he set the tone completely, and it was just a matter of where do you deviate from that.

Right. Well, he also has the number one grossing James Bond film of all time adjusted for inflation, Matt. Thunderball? That's correct. Yeah. Thunderball. Wow. Unbelievable.

Okay. It is time to talk about Peter Hunt. Peter Hunt. Yep. Your number two, correct? He's my number two, and he only did one film,

but he did the editing on all the films prior, or I think most of them, if not all of them. Yeah. But the way he he pushed the envelope that would, I think, wasn't appreciated at the time and really wasn't until you got to Casino Royale or even Quantum of Salas that East, or, you know, the Boren

movies. Like, he was doing some shit that you just didn't see. And I think he deserves a lot of credit for that. He was the most innovative director. Yeah, maybe so. You know, of that period, too. of these movies. And, you know, they let him do a lot.

They let him, they gave them a lot of freedom. And I think because of that, they were paid back with a movie that's great. And I just, you know, it's hard to say where it stands in the pantheon of James Bond movies. It's just, I think it's ruined, rather the legacy of it's ruined by the fact, or maybe helped by the fact that George Laysenby, only did one. He was one and done. Yeah, they did give him total freedom, but I feel like if I'm remembering it correctly, they weren't entirely happy with it because, you know, they went the other direction with Guy Hamilton after this. So I don't think he was asked back. And I don't think

they appreciated what he had done. But what's interesting too is how innovative he was and how realistically he pushed it. However, how much he adhered to the original novel more than any Bond film to date, I think. Yeah, I wish he'd gotten more work after this movie. Oh yeah. What else to, what did he do? You know, some TV. He did a Gulliver's Travels, but nothing nothing else. Huh, let me see. Nothing really, yeah. The Persuaders. Oh, he did the Ipchris file. Oh, these are editors.

Hold on as an editor. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Wow, yeah. Wild Geese 2. Oh, boy. Oh, man, the original Wild Geese.

Now, that's a movie. Do you ever want a good day? Sit down and watch Force 10 from Navalron into Wild Geese. And you're going to get a Guy Hamilton movie. You're going to get a Roger Moore movie. And you're going to get a lot of. of just good junk food action, dated movies. Here's his quote regarding James Bond films,

which he likened to paperback novels. My feeling was that one should make the film seriously, but never take them seriously. Oh, that's beautiful. It's good advice. I love it. Speaking of taking things seriously, it's time for our number one.

James Bond director. He hails from the island nation of New Zealand. Wait, before you go ahead, it's also worth mentioning, I think, that Peter Hunt was the first gay director of a Bond movie, too? Uh, I didn't even know he was. Yeah, I believe he is. Well, he's dead now. He died in 2002, but if I'm not mistaken, I believe he was.

was. I don't know that he was out, but I think it was common knowledge possibly on the set, too. Well, fucking innovating in more ways than one, Peter. That's right. Just, uh, also the, you know, the best editor they ever had, honestly. The fuck, it cuts in the, in the, in the train fight. Yeah. With, um, you know, those two dumb-dums. Anyway. Uh, uh, uh, Peter Hunt, well done, sir. You did one movie and catapulted yourself to number two on the list. You beat out nine other men. All right.

Are you ready to talk about your best friends on the planet? Martin Campbell. Ladies and gentlemen, born in Hastings, New Zealand in October of 1943. it's Martin Campbell, the director of such films as the Mask of Zorro and the Green Lantern movie. We have a man who did

two terrific James Bond movies. That's right. I just watched... Legend of Zorro, not the Mask of Zorro. Legend of Zorro. Oh, he did Mask too. He did Mask and Legend. Oh, my God.

I just watched The Foreigner. Oh, how was it? I haven't seen it yet. I actually, I liked it. I thought it was pretty good. Maybe it falls apart a little in the end, but it was kind of fun. I think when people are disappointed in it, maybe it might be the marketing area. They're expecting more of a classic Jackie Chan.

Brosnan's pretty interesting in it, too. It's funny because I was looking at some of the reviews, and they're talking about how bad his accent is, but he is playing an Irishman and he's Irish, so I don't know what the hell they think they're talking about there, you know. But it's worth a watch. Maybe they've never heard him be Irish. Maybe they spent some kind of listening to be English. A Northern Ireland, Irish person, too, which they have a little bit of a different. If you're a listener of this podcast and you are familiar with the accent he used in the foreigner, I haven't seen it yet.

Tell us, do you think it was good? Do you think it was bad? Are you from, if he is doing a Northern Irish accent, are you from there? Did it sound terrible to you? Let me know. Yes. Tweet us. But yeah.

Casino Royale. I mean, Golden Eye, great film. But what I'm really here for is Casino Royale. And I think the thing I love about Martin Campbell is how he manages to somehow totally deliver what a Bond movie should be gracefully, elegantly. But you're also not really paying attention to the directing, you know, he's. Totally. It's not like a super artistic film, although there's a lot of artistic moments, especially in Casino Real and tender moments and good cinematic moments. But I think his real talent is you just get engrossed in the film.

You're not watching it. You're in it, you know. And that movie more than any Bond movie just makes me forget I'm watching a movie and I just get sucked into it. I love that. I mean, the direction in that movie is evident everywhere. everywhere. And yet you're not, but you're not like heavily conscious of it

when you're watching it. That's what's so great about it. No, you are. Well, I think you are. I think whatever you can fully suspend disbelief and enjoy a film, I think then, well, for me, my brain becomes slowly aware.

Really, but that by definition is suspending disbelief is when you aren't thinking that, you know? Yeah, and I think but that, I think that's what makes a good director. Oh, I agree. I agree. No, that's not saying.

Oh, right. Yeah. I guess I'm just like macro and your micro. But as we sit here and talk about it, you can think about it. But I feel like when I'm watching that movie, it just gets me in every time. And that's what I love about it. And then it's only later when I go, holy shit, that was artful and seamless and masterful how he directs and how he gets you through scenes without even thinking about it, you know?

I think what he does. What he does well, Martin Campbell, is make, I just twirled my glasses out of my hands. I saw that. It's ridiculous. What he does really well is direct action. Yeah. He, he, man, I mean, even thinking back to, yes, the parkour stuff at the beginning is fantastic. But, like, think about the stairway fight.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. think about the whole I mean we always forget every time we talk about this movie we we end up talking about the scene at the airport that chase but we're always like I always I never think about that movie when I think about the movie yeah I never think about that scene and when you think about that scene it's an amazing scene but it's between so much right great action that you just like you're like oh yeah that wasn't that movie And not only that, but like, that first scene between Vesper and Bond on the train,

just moments where, I don't know if this is Ava Green or Martin Campbell, but the way she enters and she just like storms in, plops down, throws her purse down, and just goes, I'm the money. Anyone else would have probably just walked in normally or something. Like, I don't know. There's just a specialness to us that is not over the top or flashy, but very memorable. So good. It's endlessly

It's an endlessly rewatchable movie Yeah And I haven't Again this is another one that I haven't watched Since we last talked about it I've seen this one of not too long ago Just because I love to have it on What

Here's a question Yeah We've talked about who we would like To direct the next Bond movie You know it would be amazing If they would bring him back For Craig's last Bond movie last Bond movie.

Oh, my God. I wonder if they've considered it. I mean, he's... So good. I feel like he would do it. Yeah. Because I keep thinking like, oh, Danny Villeneuve or, you know, one of these new fancy directors, but why not just go back to the guy who's gotten it done?

Here's what I say. I don't think you need a fancy director for a James Bond movie. I don't think you're looking for that. You know what I mean? I don't think you're looking for these twists on the formula. You need someone. competent action director. It's a tough one, but you need more than just a blockbuster director.

You do need someone who, who like Terrence Young, has taste and style and can incorporate in these action movies seamlessly so that the two go together. And that, as it is evidenced by a lot of these movies, is not easy to do. Yeah. And that's what you truly need, yeah. So Martin Campbell, you have our vote. for Bond. Please come back. Please come back. I wish we could just call Barbara Broccoli.

I know. Just be like, hey, Babs, we got some ideas. You know, us. These two that do this unauthorized podcast about James Bond. Yeah, so that's our list, everybody. Those are our top 10 directors, top 11 directors. I hope you guys agree with us. If you don't agree with us, tell us in the comments. Don't forget to subscribe. I'm just slipping into a YouTube video. Yeah, no kidding.

Wait, before we wrap up Martin Campbell, I do find it interesting that he's both of our number one pick, but the rest of his resume isn't anything spectacular. If anything, it's kind of the opposite. I mean, I think Zorro's pretty well regarded, but Green Lantern. Well, you know what? You know what it is, though?

I think maybe that it's the material. You can be good. Like, something can, you can thread the needle on something. something so well. You could be really great at at X. Do you know what I mean? Like yeah you know I'm a I'm like it's obviously his wheelhouse to do yeah for sure and it's like you know you're yeah I can be you know I'm a competent writer but I'm really good at writing jokes on the Goldbergs you know what I mean? It's like that yeah it's like that's there's a wheelhouse for people and I think his wheelhouse is the is the mix, is the James Bond mix of action and drama.

Yeah, I think you're right. Because like Green Lantern doesn't, tonally is not that. I've never seen it, but I've seen a bit of it. Yeah, anyway. All right, Campbell, we love you. And now it's time, everybody, for the number one, for the people who've directed, there's five people who have directed one. And that's Lee Tamar Hottie, Roger Spottiswode, Michael Abtead, Mark Forster, and Peter Hunt, right?

Yes. Well, it's going to be no surprise. We'll just do them in the same order. By the same order. Yeah, for me. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to sign off on that order.

I'm going to sign off on that order, man. Pretty easy. Well, that, everybody. We will see you all next week for. From Russia with love. Oh, I didn't do that right. We usually say James Bonding will return. I'll start it.

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