James Bonding - From Russia With Love with Jonah Ray

Episode Date: October 19, 2022

Jonah Ray joins the Matts to talk about their love of Russia with Love! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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I love it. My name is Matt. My name is two. Welcome to James Bonding with Matt and Matt. Matt. Manette, man. Today are, we welcome to the illustrious program, Mr. Jonah Ray. Jonah Ray.

Jonah, Ray. Jonah, of course, Comedy Central half hour just aired. Excellent job there. And, man, you're coming to Comedy Central in January? No, we start shooting in January, the Meltdown Show. Yeah, this is where we are right now. This is where this is going to happen. This is where the magic.

We are in, we are essentially, we are in this place recording right now because of that gentleman right there. Really? Yep. No, yeah, we wouldn't be here doing this. Well, I don't want you to take some credit. No, no, no, no, just, you know, just an idea. It was a good idea. Yeah, cool.

It was a good idea. I see what's happening. I think you deserve some credit. Yeah. Oh, thank you, man. As an independent arbiter. Yeah. This is why I've been called in.

Yes, of course. To dole out cooeds. I am a muse. I am a conduit. Yeah. Yeah. Whatever. I'm an aqueduct.

Coons to you. Today, guys, we watched the second installment in the James Bond franchise. This is the third episode of the show. And that movie was from... From Russia with love. I didn't bother you that that is actual source music on a radio that he turns off. Yeah, it's the only time that happens, right? that yes no i i didn't mind it for some reason but i see what you're saying i'm sure at the time

that was mind-blowing yeah but i mean like i'm just saying like you know see daniel craig driving down the street listening to skyfall it is really he's not really he doesn't really you know like i don't really see him as a fan of adele maybe some high feet maybe some dub step but not at the man is daniel craig yeah he was a big bond um they do it is it uh honor majesty secret service where that little person is sweeping and he whistles gold finger Do you know about that? Yeah. So, boy, this is a real precedent.

So, wait, this is the second movie. Second movie, this is our third episode, because what we're doing, Jonah, is we're doing, uh, we're doing Dr. No, then Skyfall, then from Rushwood Love, then back up to Quan Outsal. So we're sort of going from both ends and meeting in the middle. Oh, okay. Yeah. Wow.

We just wanted to change up the order just because we didn't want it to be forever until we got to some modern James Bond. And Matt and I are sort of partial to Roger Moore, so we're sort of saving him for the... Yeah, I see that, but it seems like it's it just makes that when you get to those later ones or the Roger Moore's it, it makes it that much sweeter.

Yeah, you've done your work. Yeah, I love this idea. It's going to be... I love it. It's going to be great. Let's talk, let's talk. We have to ask our guests, Jonah, about their sort of experiences pre this podcast with James Bond. Were you a fan growing up? Did you watch it at all?

Did you care at all? Didn't care much when when the first Pierce Broson one came out which is Golden Eye Golden Eye When that came out

I was in the midst of for some reason I was so I was in school I was in middle school I believe and I didn't like school But I for some reason

I always thought it'd be fun To start clubs And I would always start a club And then just bail on it After the first session I started a bowling Serial club starter I started a bowling club

I went to one I bailed I started How were your relationships At this time? Well I was Like with just who? Just women.

Oh, well, I was in middle school. Were you dating? There were no such thing as girls for me. That's true. Yeah. No, I was, you know, I was like in sixth grade and that was 300 pounds and I was not about to. And I was all boy school. So far we got a lot in common.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, and the reason, and one of the things when I started the movie club. Oh, boy. I got us to leave school a little early. Holy shit. So whoever was in the movie club. He's a fucking genius. could go see

Golden Eye and it was I remember being like whoa but when the next one came out That was sort of it Yeah I just

Same here You know I don't know why I think it wasn't ready For You know The humor of it I don't think I was ready for

You know I don't think I was adult enough To understand The jokes that are in there For people As opposed to like It just seemed cheesy to me And I was such a huge fan

of Mel Brooks that like uh and like you know Mel Brooks's movies a lot of them were made around that same time so they have the same kind of like you know sweaties late 60s early 70s yeah the look brown sweat is sure right of the film is there skin sweat yeah exactly they didn't like you know how to you know even Romero

didn't know how to light uh correctly for zombies and dawn the dead you know so they didn't look green and gray when you were a kid though did anybody did like your dad ever like turn on the TV watching old James Bond movie no was gold night your first Bond movie? Gold 9 was my first bond movie.

Wow. I saw, you know, top and tails. And I didn't really, you know, I knew it was a, you know, it was a cultural milestone. Sure.

I know it, you know, double seven is. I know. Yeah. You know he has a buddy named Q. You know, you have all that stuff that you know,

um, and are just reference points for other things. Like, you know, maybe the first time I saw the, you know, the barrel of the gun going across to, it might have been a Muppet Baby's episode.

Yeah, sure. Yeah, you pick up sort of stuff like that from other people's references. Like, like, Like, you know, tons of references to movies. Simpsons, just nothing but references to movies. And so, you know, it's so weird when you finally get to see those movies.

You go, oh, that's why. That was funny. I laughed anyway. Yeah. I had the exact same experience, but with Warner Brothers cartoons, not first run. But exactly. I would walk around the house doing Jimmy Cagney impressions, not knowing who that was. Right.

People like mothers in the neighbor would be like, how do you know who Jimmy Cagney is? I don't. And you'd see it later and go, ah, full circle. Yeah, yeah. And I need to work on my impression. You know, and that's sort of, I think that's kind of, that was what was cool, not to get off on tangent, but what was kind of cool about Tiny Tunes was that generation, because if you can remember back to Tiny Tunes, they would have scenes sometimes, or maybe it was more Animaniacs, but have scenes with Michael Keaton as Batman would show up, and then like, because it was Warner Brothers, they did that, and like Jack Nicholson was there, like, this whole, good fellas. This whole, yeah, yeah, yeah. Was it was, those were very much Hollywood cartoon.

I mean, Animaniacs was, you know, they were in the Warner Brothers, watching. tower. Yeah. In fairness, it's Burbank. Yeah. What? Nothing.

Hollywood as a general term, not as a jurisdiction. Do you guys need me to do an independent arbitration again? Yeah. But this time, like, just to decide the case?

Yeah. Oh, geez. Now I feel pressure. I like handing out positive outcomes. So I'm just going to say that nobody wins. Okay.

Think about your sins. All right. I really do. I said Hollywood in the general sense. Sort of... As in, that's Hollywood. kid.

Hello. Sort of a related question. John, I know you're a big fan of Weird Al. We all are. Yes. Did you see Spy Hard? Yes, I had a poster for Spy Hard in my room. I've never seen Spy Hard.

Leslie Nielsen. You've never seen Spy Hard? No. No, maybe I have. It's not. I can't say go see it. Like, it's not like a touchstone picture, you know? Well, it was weird when, you know, they stopped making naked gun movies, but Leslie

Nielsen didn't stop making naked gun movies. No one? No one told Leslie that they were done making It's just spy heart Oh no no this is naked gun 45th and the ninth Dracula didn't I'm just wearing a Dracula goes to the same Do I like this? Do I love it? Though there are some great jokes in Dracula dead and loving it

I have never seen it but I digress That I would watch that before you watch spy hard Do I have to watch both no? Okay If you want to be a completeness when it comes to Masters of Comedy of Brooke Which I damn it which I even like here's the thing this one of the biggest comedy snubs I know

BJ Porter who was a writer on Mr. Show and you know helps story comedy death rate he still he'll say about Dracula then loving it the last 15 minutes are some of the funniest moments in any Melbrook's movie

really oh well that's good enough for me I listen I could agree with that really there's a soft spot for Dracula dead and loving it welcome to Dracula dead and loving it Welcome to Dracula Dead and Loving It Bonding podcast. No, it's Dracula Dead.

Loving it. No, I'm sorry. But, yeah, so I don't, you know, I don't really, I've never really seen much. I've had friends, like my friend Peter Attencio, who's, like, he should be a guest on this show. He's crazy into James Bond. Well, really? Yeah, he even, he, four did, like, a whole run of him when they got the rights to show the James Bond movies. He did all the interstitials, and, like, he took a huge pay cut because he wanted to be involved with this so much.

Oh, my God. Because he got to play with that. the law of the props. This was probably like four years ago, five years ago. Man, they just, they got the, as we were on our way out the door, they got the rights again. Oh, really? And I was begging them to let me do interstitials for it. Yeah, yeah. No, they had

Tencio direct those. That's awesome. I think he ended up writing them mostly. That's awesome. But, uh, yeah, so I've had friends that love it and, you know, it's hard to watch it when you've seen every bit of reference or parody of it beforehand, you know. But in your defense, though, those

brazen ones are basically self-parodies or at least parodies of early bonds for me because I kind of had a similar experience except I was really into him as a kid and then kind of stepped away for a while and then came back for the Brosnan era and I was like oh I don't know it was just they were just action movies in a diehard world other things were doing it better well they actually I think that the series of James Bond movies is interesting in that it each movie that comes out it begins to parody itself more more more more more yeah well everything

comes a callback. Yeah. Until you get to die another day, which is maybe the worst movie I've ever seen. He texted me the other day watching it. Oh, God. It is. Just couldn't believe it. It is, that movie, which was the 20th.

No, we'll just talk a little bit. Teaser. It's a little bit. We're going to touch on it a little bit. That movie is the, it's the 20th anniversary of James Bond. And there is so, 40th. 40th, right. Yeah.

20th picture, the 20th movie. Right, right. But there's so much, you know, look at, this, wink, wink. Like, for instance, John Cleese, who's playing Q at that point, Hans Bond his watch, and goes, this will be your 20th, I believe.

That kind of, like, so self-referential. That was the second, Brasen? Third. Third. Fourth. How, he did that many, huh? Yeah. Wow. It was just fourth and final. Yeah, he wanted to do more. Yeah, he wanted to do more.

He would have loved to have him do more. He's a good looking Bond. He looks like what you think think James Bond. Yeah, exactly. You know what I mean? All right, man. I appreciate it. Is that only because of, uh, youth? Is that like reminiscence

and youth? Yeah, a lot of it could be nostalgia. But I think I love the kind of grizzled looks of Connery. I buy him as

someone out in the field and I buy it with Daniel Craig. I don't know with Pierce Brosnan. To me he's like department store. Well, I don't think

you can with Pierce Brosnan or Roger Moore. Yeah, I agree. You never buy the brutality with Roger Moore. But they went all the way with Roger Moore

to the campsite. And Braznan, you want it both way. He wants it both ways. And it just never worked for me. And I admit that I'm totally right.

Yeah. Yeah. As he always does. No, that I may not be correct. But, you know, everybody has their own. Had you ever seen a Sean Connery James Bond movie? No, before we made you watch this. Wow.

Well, this is a good one to start because this is as legit as they get. Some get a little bit more wacky, which I enjoy. And it did have, I mean, there was a lot of jokes in it. Yeah. You know, there are... This is probably the driest one. Maybe Dr. No.

Would you say? Yeah, I think... Yeah, I think this might be, this, in many ways I find this to be the simplest James Bond movie. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, I mean, there was, it was just one, like two very open double crosses pretty much. Yeah, everything else is just a linear detective story. Yeah, and it was, and it was, I still found it to be kind of interesting. Yeah, I did too.

What's going to happen? Robert Shaw's going this way. Sean Conner's going that way. So. And there's only two action pieces, huh? There's the raid on the gypsy camp and then there's the boats. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, but there's also, I find that fight we'll get to in a minute. The fight in the drain car is amazing. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a fucking brutal fight. Yeah. Now, this we should say too, because people, the general public seems to feel Goldfinger is the best and most classic Bond film. But I think among Bond fans, this is usually the one cited as one of the best, if not the best. Maybe Honor Manor Man.

I love it. I love it. I can agree with that. It's a great looking movie. It's, you know, it's, you know, it's, it's, you know, it's, it's, It's Istanbul, and they really use the fuck out of that temple. It's like, that's like in the background of almost every shot. Well, what's interesting about that is the, you get a little continuity error happening there right there.

Because Moneypenny says she's never been to Istanbul. Wait a minute. Is she there? Isn't that where the fucking skyfall chases? Oh, boy, you are really. Right, it is, huh? Yep. So right there, they fucked up.

That's the only flaw in that lineage. There's never another single single single. Okay, so Jonah, as someone who's never seen a Sean Connery... And believe me, there's a bit of guilt. There's a bit of guilt with it. I don't think, don't worry about it. We have no judgment here. I mean, like, as a guy that, like, I try my best to just watch...

And I talk to Matt about this line. And we get into arguments about it where it's like, you know, all I do is try to watch movies I've never seen before. That's what I do with my time. But, you know, they just keep on coming out. And the easy accessibility of just clicking a button and watching, you know, the new Joe Swansberg, even though I don't like him. Like, I still want to see the new one, you know. Yeah. But Bond probably feels like a tall order because there's so many. Where do you start? And I'll equate it to this exactly.

And I've done this to a lot of other things. And Matt's heard this one is that it's like when I first heard guided by voices. Which is I was like, who is this? Who is this? This is guide by voice. I was like, this is great. I'm going to go get some of their. records and you go and they have a just a rack and a half full of albums and I'm just like you

know what I'm all right yeah yeah I'm right what about Superchunk just the same you know just there's too much of it yeah and it's too overwhelming to even start like where do you start super chunk how many Twitter followers I know that's just they looked it up the other day how many Twitter followers do you think Supertunk has uh 5,400 I'll say 24000 it's 19 000 oh you guys as the arbiter of this yeah you're both right okay Okay, so this is good. I'm kind of very happy that Jonah's not seen a Sean Connery. Yeah, yeah, it's nice.

We're getting lots of different perspectives. What is your overall impression of Sean Connery is James Bond? You know what? It's a bit like, he's a bit too blasé, in my opinion. Okay. Um, he's a guy that has seen shit, has done horrible things. Um, there, it's just, uh, not to jump ahead, but when the guy, he's been broan out with the entire movie is found dead. Yeah.

He could care less. It's like it's, and maybe there needs to be, for me, some like, repercussion, some, you know, some, like to show detachment more. But he's so obsessed with this girl that's not even the hottest girl in the movie, you know. It's like, he's so obsessed with. her and like for no real good reason besides the fact that she's you know kind of cute and got an accent and then like this guy who is my favorite person in the movie

he's so great he's so great like pretty like an accent that kind of comes in and out but uh he is the he is the quarrel of of rush with love quarrel is the very similar role in Dr. Noe. So it's like whenever I feel like whenever James Bond meets a buddy like meets this guy

he's got a that's helping him on the mission always incredibly likable character actors Yeah, and usually doomed. Yeah, and I knew that would happen, but yeah, as far as like, just too blazee. Yeah, and I'm with you, even when he tells Karim's son that he died in the training, it's like he's mad at the sun. Yeah. You know, not consoling or anything.

Yeah. But it's like, don't bother with that. I got shit to do. Here's my argument for this. I think that James Bond does show great sympathy by gathering his things. Like picking up all of them. In his way. Do you think that's just, it's so mechanical for him?

Yeah. It's like a fallen soldier and you just grab his dog tags. Yeah, but I think if he didn't, I think the character of James Bond is capable of not caring in such a manner that he would not have bothered to do that. Yeah, and I think definitely it's interesting because this is definitely a character choice. So you should see a later connery where not only does the character not care, but the actor does not care. Oh, boy. Also, the Sean Connery voice isn't there yet. It's not fully formed.

Yeah, the classic. I mean, yeah, it's just like, it's not all the way there. I think that's a little bit of him trying to tone back the Scottish. His jowls hasn't dropped. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so the movie opens up with the full-on cold open. Uh-huh. And the audience has led to believe that James Bond is being.

being hunted down. I have a couple questions to throw at you guys for this. Do you think Sean Connery is acting like a fake Sean Connery in the scene? I watched it this time thinking he is.

He's doing subtle things of almost robotic movements or something. I agree with that entirely. I think that he moves differently. And I think that there's a couple of things like he gets a little more scared

than you would think that James Bond would get scared. Also, where is he coming from in a tuxedo that a killer will go kill him in a hedge maze. Who knows? Like, I was expecting to hear a party nearby. Yeah.

But that Spector has set up this hedge maze, all of this pretense for what's essentially just a murder exercise. Right. Yeah. But what we don't... Well, they referenced that later. Yeah. Did they? Yeah.

When they're walking through the training area, it's like... Oh, we use live targets. Training is nothing compared to actual experience. It's like, well, we have live targets for that. Oh, okay. Got you. I agree. We use live targets also.

Yeah. But yeah, you know, I wasn't expecting it. Oh, good. I wasn't, I thought it was weird. The one thing that, like, made me, you know, in retrospect, when he just, he, like, shot, I was like, things Bond isn't really the kind of guy that just shoots willy-nilly. Yeah. And then, just, you know, if it's an exercise, unnecessary mask.

Very, it's like, that mask was only for the audience. Yeah, right. It's like, you know, is that Russian guy going like, it's like, I just gotten into it. I see my friend. Are you asking me to run around like I am James Bond? I do not look like a James Bond. Yeah, no, even the guy that has to go and kill him. He's right.

I can't. I don't want to kill him. I can't kill that guy. Robert Shaw. Fucking Robert Shaw, so good in everything he's ever been in. He may be the best henchman. I know people say odd job because there's more of a gimmick there, but Robert Shaw, just the versatility of the different roles.

he plays in this movie. Yeah. Yeah. It's really great. You know, Dee was Robert Shaw from Jaws for Halloween once. Yeah.

Facial hair and all. Quint. Oh, yeah, okay. Quint. Then he pulls out, yes. Then he pulls out the first, the first gadget

we ever see in a James Bond movie, I would say. And that must have been mind-blowing at the time. Yeah. I think it would have been. Although I, we're talking about

that, yeah, it just looks like thread from his coat. Well, no, he pulls out. God damn it. Yeah, it basically is. Here's my thought on that. I feel like the choke

wire that comes out of the watch I feel like that's a real sort of thing that the SS soldiers had or something like that. I think too but I don't think the general public would have I think everybody's watching that and go why didn't I think of that? You could easily just wind it back up

no problem. But you know my thing was like I was like there's got to be a little handle for it that you have to grab it and like it would be hanging off your watch therefore to you always be kind of like tickling your arm hair you know. She's worried about it. So you're you think I always think it's a bug.

You think it works like a pool toy. Yeah, yeah. It's going to have a little thing. You need a little thing to be able to pull from, right? Or it's going to go right back in, like if you don't knot your hoodie string. You've got to not your hoodie string. And you've got to not your strangulation wires. Exactly.

Where are you going to grab? Did you know that they reshot this opening scene? Because when they took the mask off the guy, he didn't originally have a mustache, and people thought, oh, they're still going to think that's Sean Connery for some reason. And so they went and reshot it with the mustache. so people would be very clear that it was not Sean Connery is James Bond skin deep. Yeah, he wears a mask. Well, I think it's also, well, here's why I would think they would might think that.

Because you go 17 minutes into this movie without seeing Sean Connery is James Bond. Really? You go so far, because, you know, I'm not counting the cold open situation. You go from the cold open to Spectre meeting on a boat, chess match. Right. Yeah. Then to Tatiana. Yeah.

then to James Bond. Wow, right, yeah. Good point. I feel like that might be why they're like, we need a mustache. Sean's not in this enough. We need a mustache. Yeah, so this is, so what you're seeing here, Jonah, is the, what was the main sort of villain for nearly every James Bond movie up through,

to Diamonds or Forever, right? Are you talking about Blofeld? Talking about Spector? Spector. Yes. And then he's kind of dispensed in four-year-ey-ey-eye-only, but just as a little nod that character is. But, yeah, Specter. Yeah. So Specter is the special... Wait, we forget every time. Special Executive SP is two, right?

Yeah, special executive for counter... No, special executive for counter-terrorism, extortion, and revenge. Revenge. That's the name. I know the journey was fun, but... but you guys should have just looked it up. It can't be counterterrorism. No, for counterintelligence.

Counterintelligence, terrorism, right? Counterintelligence? Thank you, Katie. Thank you, Money Penny. Special executive for counterintelligence, terrorism, revenge, and extortion? Yeah. We nailed it. We just did ER instead of our...

So they do revenge for hire. Yeah. They do extortion. They don't do for hire. They do... Well, they do their own revenge. Well, then you don't... You don't promote it.

Why would you promote that? Like, if I had a company, I wouldn't call it Pizza Fridays, just because internally, we have Pizza Fridays. Right. Yeah, good point. Exactly. Oh, that's just for us, the pizza. I'm sorry.

We don't actually, we don't deliver pizza. I don't know why we put the banner outside of this office building. This is really, I'm embarrassed. Hi, I'd like a pizza. Oh, no. It's Thursday, so I didn't know if I could come in. No, actually, you know, we don't even, we just don't have pizza. You don't have any pizza?

No, we do. There's pizza. But, you know, it's tomorrow. Yeah, it's on Friday. It's my kid's birthday today. Yeah, that's fun. I mean, a happy birthday? You can get them anything you want out of the Urban Outfitters, but we don't have any pizza.

Yeah, but if you need, like, some extortion. What? Yeah. Do you know who I am? I'm James Bond. Oh, shit. Yeah. You have a son?

Oh, yeah. Jimmy. Jimmy. Yeah, he maybe saw the cartoon. Anyway, I got to go. I'm just funning you guys. James Bond, Jr. was the nephew. I never understood the junior situation.

Well, that's like Supergirl was his cousin. Yeah. Yeah. And it's not really like it. We'll get into that. Also, you kept your cool when the guy revealed himself as James Bond. I got scared. No, I do.

As a worker for a Specter. Really what he wanted is just pizza. He obviously wasn't. I'm not on a mission. You know, I got to live too. Yeah, but it's just, you know. It's not always work. Opposing teams.

It just feels weird. All right. Okay, yeah, the face makeup was ridiculous. The, the, then it cuts to a scene of the, of the, of the chess match. We haven't had, do we want to talk about the titles in the song? Oh, let's talk about the title sequence. These are not a Morris Bender title sequence, which he's known for all of these early ones, except for this in Goldfinger, I think.

This is Robert Brown John. What did you, what did, what did, what I call my, sorry. What did you think of the title sequence? You know, they knew how hard it would be to read them. That's why they always show up twice. Yeah, you notice that. It's like, it's on my arm. Wait, what was that say?

It's on my arm again. Yeah, the producers came in. I love the idea, but you know we actually have to read these. Yeah. Could you flatten them out a little? It's a guild thing? Yeah. You wouldn't understand.

It's a guilt thing. And so this is one of the few instrumentals for a bond film, one of three, I think. Dr. No. Well, they kind of literally. in that. Yeah. Honor Majesty's Secret Service and from Rush with Love.

But then they play the vocal version of the song at the end. Which is also available on the James Bond soundtrack, the vocal rendition. There's just a James Bond soundtrack? There's a Best of Bond.

Oh, okay. What was the original idea of just having such an elaborate credit sequence for a Bond movie? Well, if you watch a movie... In Vogue at the time, too. Saul Bass and the Hitchcock movies. Yeah, yeah, I think what happened

is James Bond as an entity He lived on for so long past that being in vogue, that it just was like, well, we have to do this. And thank God, because I love them. I love the title sequence. I mean, Skyfall. Skyfall one was just mesmer. I want that as a, you know, fucking desktop screen saver.

Yeah. Home screen on my phone. Anytime someone calls the whole sequence just plays. Yeah, yeah. And I miss every call. Every call, yeah. Matt, why don't you pick up for like four and a half minutes? Because daggers are gravestones.

That's why? And why does your phone ring for four and a half minutes? It seems like it should go to go to go. voicemail. Bravestones are then teeth in a skull is why. This song, so this song was performed by Matt Monroe, but then later as a radio hit by Frank Sinatra. Did you know that? I did not know that it ever became a radio hit.

Well, I don't know. Maybe I use the term hit liberally, but it's not a John Barry tune either. If you said adult contemporary hit, I would believe that. Yeah, it's played a lot. Adult contempo. Coast. Yeah, so, okay. I like the title sequence.

I think it's cute. Low-tech. Yeah. Just some belly dancing, which obviously relates to the belly dancing that happens later. The unnecessary gypsy turn. Yeah. The gypsy exploitation.

Yeah. That happens. It's very unnecessary, let's go look at gypsies in a way that I felt racist watching. Anyone else agree with me? I felt more sexist than racist. I don't know how you had Jonah. Well, I felt like a huge asshole because I was like, there's no way gypsies are this hot. Arbiter Jonah?

Thank you. Yeah. Yeah, there are some hot gypsies. But before we get to the gypsies, I want to talk about the chess match. Please. I want to talk, there's a few things in this. I want to talk about, too. I wish we had a podcast. We do.

He gets, he gets, you're watching a chess situation in a, in a, we'll call it the situation room. Uh, there's a, uh, he gets it, receives a note on the bottom of glass of water. I like that. It was on the napkin. It was on the napkin. Yeah. Yeah. Yes.

Yeah. Yeah. It says you needed immediately. Here's my question. Why, why does he then decide to win? I thought it would have been a more. Oh, to just tank it. I think it would have been a more interesting turn for him to just tank it.

Because we find out how full of pride he is. Exactly. He can, he can, I can win and have. handle this. You know, he's so smug. Yeah. Yeah. So that's exactly what I thought. It's like, you know, he gets a thing, but he even tears it up. Yeah. And he's like, I can do it. And then when, you know, he's

just saying later on, it's like, no, it worked. She's the one that messed it up. You know, he has so much pride that he won't even admit to losing. This actor, I love, what is his name? I wrote it down. Vladik Sheber. Do you get, do you guys remember the original

Red Dawn? He's in this movie? Oh, is he really? Yeah. And have you ever seen that really Camp 80s musical, The Apple? He's in that as well. So he's kind of a, I would say like a B-movie character actor throughout the years. And he has this long, not-illustrous career. But this is the only, like, legit movie I've ever seen him in.

And I love him. Yeah, I was just going to say, did you just, like, shit on Red Don casually? I love Red Dawn. I know you love Red Dawn. But it is a B-movie, let's be honest. Red Dawn is my favorite Wolverines movie. Wolverines! I fucking love Red Dawn.

Red Dawn. I didn't see the remake out of protest. How'd that protest go? It's still going. Were you one strong? Well, no. I've got, there's a whole crowd out on sunset, and they said, like, yeah, go take two hours for podcasts, but make sure you talk about our cause. Yeah. And so I have to get back out.

What's funny is when everyone thought it was the reaction to the Zimmerman verdict, it was actually Matt. Yeah. It was Matt's Red Dawn protest. Why have they been protesting for about a year before the trial, even the, before even the murder, I will say, those Zimmerman, as soon as that was over, they're like, we're joining with you guys. This is more important.

Yeah, yeah. Read down, everybody. So, yeah, that chess match, okay, I see your point, guys. Yeah. I'm going to say, yes, I see your point. But can I shout out to the production design in this chess room I love? And also, did you notice that when they go to a wide shot, the ceiling is a mat painting? Yes, I did notice that.

And I will say, this is rare for me, especially in these early bonds, this is one of the few that's not. production designed by Ken Adam who is one of my all-time heroes. Yeah. It still looks good, but I miss like that Doctor No chamber, like the angular sets. Yeah, with the stylized place. Yeah. So normally what you get in a Bond movie is the villains layer is really stylized and kind of mid-century modern and a really cool steel and wood and all this stuff.

And so this one's a little bit more classic, you know, because they're in Istanbul half the time too. And there is no layer, really. It's just a boat. Yeah, right. It's just a yacht. Yeah. Yeah, that's what we see. So after he does the opposite of tanks the chess match, he wins it immediately.

He should just have someone throw him a threatening note every match. Yeah, that's how he sucks a amount. Also, like the guy bringing him the note, like his way of showing him there was a thing, just like just puts it down and stares at him. Not suspicious. Yeah. Yeah. You'd think they would have prearranged how he's going to get a note.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. You look thirsty. Remember? You really want to drink the. right and just really look at it look at what you're drinking you want to do that no no I'm fine no no I think you should really just take here's I'll

put it I'll set it closer to you I mean in the middle of a Chesky yeah I understand but you're very thirsty I am not thirsty really Thursday I am not I'll make you happy I'll make you happy it's your move there's a note no

I surrender I surrender also the cocking doesn't when he walks away yeah it doesn't shake anybody, the guy goes to shake his hand. Great fucking extra work by that guy who tries to shake his hand. It was a good job.

Yeah. No. Yeah. Yeah, but then we cut to Siamese fighting fish. Right. And that's real. Like, yeah. I feel like they bummed you out a bit.

They fed the fish to the cat too. Well, that must have been a fucking fake thing, right? Well, you know they're letting the Chinese fighting fish tear each other apart. I'm sure they fed it a real fish. Probably. I know. Yeah. Because they kill a shark, too, in Thunderball.

Yeah, they did kill a shark Really? Yeah. Where did they shoot these things Or you could do that? In the 60s? Jamaica. You can still do that.

It's not where, it's when, Jonah. Yeah, I guess you're right. I go down there to do my bestiality snuff films. Oh, yeah, yeah, exactly. You should really get the series. It's called the gore on girly. Goarly.

Forget it. No, no, no, I want to know what it was, though. Don't worry about it. We'll talk later. It's, yeah, it's a, we'll just. Gore on gore on gorely? Yeah. Gore on Gorely on Gore.

So it's like a play on girl on girl. Yeah. Yep, and it's a gore because it's a snuff film, so there's going to be some murder. And fucking. Oh, it checks out. Yeah, that was pretty tight. The premise was there, and I'm sorry about it.

I'm sorry about it. Why? Just because you've flubbed up, do you want to take it back? No, I just think it wasn't worth it. I apologize. I go down to Jamaica to do my bestiality snuff films. Yeah, you should check out the series. It's called...

Funnier that I fucked it up a second time. Yeah, Siamese fighting fish. To find funny. Just fight. It didn't hurt inside as much. Sorry. Siamese fighting fish, fighting each other. Yes, the real fish are fighting each other, which for some reason I didn't mind.

I had fighting fish. I had Siamese fighting fish. But you keep them separate jars next to each other. Did you make them fight? Oh, you ringmaster. But they never died. They never killed each other. You god player.

They want to do it. That's what they want to do. Right. It's against their nature not to fight. I want to go in Thunderdome. Yeah. Wait a minute. Would you rather go beyond it?

Two men enter, get to know each other, walk out, have some food. Oh, that kind of Thunderdome. You want to hit up Pizza Fridays? We can't. It's actually the company doesn't even... What? It's Thursday. What are you talking about?

I'm James Bond. Again? Yeah. Blofeld, you know who plays Blofeld? Whose arm plays Bolfeld? Peter, I don't know where his name, but he plays Professor Dent in Dr. No. Oh, yeah? Yeah.

He's a friend of... the production, I think. Very cool. Yeah. Yeah, so we meet our villainess. I love her. You see the... Nurse Diesel.

That's what that comes from. You see like Frow Farbissina. Yeah, yeah. Sort of the same. And then obviously the awesome powers, Mindy Sterling, directly referencing that. Yeah. Yeah.

And there she is. She's a Russian defector, who defects to... Specter. To Specter. Defector to Spector. Would you identify her as Russian or lesbian first? Because they go pretty far with both. They go really heavy-handedly with both.

Yeah. And I will stop for a second here to say that Ian Fleming has a serious lesbian problem. Really? He does. It's very clear in his books. He's just... Have you guys seen Orange is the New Black? Have you watched that?

No, yeah, no. Well, the kind of like head of the officers has a similar thing where he just was really upset by it. But you also get the feeling he's very attracted to it. And I don't think Fleming had worked through his issues. So lesbians are villains until they're turned straight and then they're not villains. And it's just really uncomfortable sometimes to read the books on racist, sexist, and especially, like, lesbian. And gay people are always villains and that sort of thing. I mean, it's the 60s they were back then.

Well, that's what, you know, James Dormey has an amazing stand-up. Yes, yeah. Like how all old villains were just gay. Yeah. Yeah. Even like transformer villains. Star! Star scream!

It's an amazing bit. It's got to be online somewhere. I've seen it, yeah. I've seen it do it live. It's really funny. Yeah, I did write lesbian overtones. It's not an undertones. Overtones.

Yeah, she just felt her up. Yeah. Felt her up. Real good. Very, I don't know. I felt them comfortable watching. Well, I remember when I think I first watched this, I didn't expect that in a movie like this.

at all. That's one thing I love about bomb movies is they do throw you certain things that you, you know, the hit man in diamonds are forever. Yeah. Yeah. I think is one of my favorites. They push it. Yeah, they really do. They push it. And Skyfall, didn't talk about

that with Skyfall, did we? Did he or did he not? Oh. Because you've seen Skyfall. What is your question in your mind? He's coming on to him. He's coming on to him, and he says there's a first time everything and then Bond says what makes you think this is my first time oh yeah

that just made me think James Bond will do anything for his country and if he has to blow a dude to get the job done what were the specifics of that assignment he was actually he came across a filming of Gorong Gurley it was fucked it up again that'll do it was double seven assault on fire island go wrong gorely it's erotic material I challenge you to watch it for more than five minutes and not be just fiercely turgid not to You'll be hard-pressed not to puke out of your mouth and dick. So in your mind, in my mind, that's sort of where I went with it.

I was like, well, he'd do anything for a mission. And also, I feel like he's so sexual. Yeah. Try whatever the fuck. Right, especially if there's a girl involved, some three-way or something. Yeah. But he's like, you know, he's like Prince or Bowie or any of those guys that just they've had it all and they're just going to continue to push their sexual boundaries.

Yeah, it's time for a new ambiguous bond. A new, more ambiguous moment. I need a new tug. One of them will make you sick? Yeah. Yeah, so with this, yeah, so we see this whole scene. Tatiana Romanovich.

Romanova or Romanova? I don't know. Romanova. It's one of those. Whatever. I'm gonna, I'm gonna go ahead and side with Jonah on this. Really? I may take the,

the opposition on this. Not the hottest girl in the movie. Not the hotest girl in the movie. I find her adorable. No. Yeah. I do. Both.

Gypsy whores were hotter. And the girl in the canoe, I thought, was... Here's my girl like that. I like Karen Bay's girl. The girl that was hotter, I think, was Robert Shaw's masseuse. Oh, well, I don't mean to be indelicate,

but when she takes off her robe, she's not wearing a bra... It's like she's wearing like a cup of liquid skin. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was the best thing in the world. Yeah, I'm not... I'll just say that I won't say. that I won't say anything.

Yeah. But, Money Penny. Yeah. But. Money Penny. She's just classic. Yeah, she's a good-looking lady.

She really is. But I think, yeah, I think Sylvia Trench is still hotter. Well, it's good to know that when these women come to the three of us and ask you have to choose which ones. Yeah. This is probably within a week that, yeah, we will definitely, definitely know where we stand. We'll also have to grab the shovels because they're probably all dead.

No, none of them. Money Penny. Money penny, yeah. But they're all dubbed, too. That's the weird thing. A lot of ADR in this movie. A lot of ADR. And just bad ADR, too.

Yeah, I feel like they forgot to bring microphones. Yeah, there's a point. Because they're not, like, in a place that would be the audio, they're not like standing in front of the Bellagio fountain or something. Well, there was the helicopter when the helicopter comes to Specter's place. Yeah, that's fair. That was fair. And then there was all the guns.

Fair enough, the loudest machine ever invented by man. Yeah, okay, I'll give you that. But they're dubbed by different actors. And I think even Rosa Kleist. is, I don't know if that's her voice or not, but there's a point where Tatiana says, oh no, Q is showing the briefcase and he goes, here, the latch

is here and here. And the actor doesn't even say the second end here. He's just sitting there, he goes, and here, and then his mouth stays closed, and then he goes, end here. They didn't even try. Well, just think about the leader of the gypsies where he has his only line,

one of only two lines off camera. And it's just the most aggressive character filled. What does he say exactly? We're talking about the fat guy, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm okay, I'm okay. Yes, yes, yes.

Something to the effect of that. It's just, if it was just like, thank you. Yeah, yeah. You're not his son. And he's just running, not doing anything, and during that huge fight, we can get to that. Yeah, we'll get to that in a minute.

So, yeah, Tatiana, her friends called Tanya, I don't know why. It doesn't make much sense to me. She's charged. The mission here, her mission is to... God, what... It's to bone down with James Bond.

It's to bone down with James Bond. But what is the fake endgame of the Russians? I don't think she tells. Well, she... Russia or Spector? No, what does Spector want Russia... What does Spector want Russia's goal to be? Because I understand England's goal.

I understand Spector. specter's goal. I don't understand what Tatiana is told that Russia is into it for just to kill James Bond. That's the only thing they want. I don't think they give her anything. They just say like you've got to obey or you'll be shot. Yeah, yeah. Get with this guy. Yeah.

All right. Get upon this. Fuck. On film. Hey, wow. Which they do. And you see a little flash. That was, well, when Tatiana's walking to the bed, you can see the silhouette of her full naked body. Nice.

This is... We watch this. Nice. Yeah. Explicit for a James Bond movie. Nice. Nice. You are an 80s Miami Vice Extra. The way you just said that.

Thanks. Over there. I can feel like coming in me. Okay. So here's the, here's the crux of the situation. everybody listening at home the plan this time the supervillain plan is get revenge on James Bond for killing doctor no where the R inspector comes from yep extort the Russians for the lector machine we he terrorize Istanbul by blowing shit up and causing tension between the Russians and the English yes that's a tea yeah you you already said it with terrorizer too.

That's pretty good. Spector really doing a lot of, and it felt pretty special, right? So what are we missing? Counterintelligence? No. That's there in there with the lecture, that's implied. This is literally every single thing in their description happens in this movie. We need to put all of these early movies to the Spectre test.

You know? Yeah. Does Dr. Noe do that? Special Executive for counterintelligence. No. Dr. No does not do it. I still don't know a Dr. Dr. No's plan was just to make some rockets not go straight. That was his plan. How come Special gets two letters, but counterintelligence doesn't?

And that's literally two words. Don't worry about it. Don't overthink it. I gotta go. Don't overthink it. Okay. Yeah, so the plan is, we have a lector machine.

It's a machine that decodes secret messages from the Russians. Tatiana works in an embassy that has one of these machines. The plan is, pretend you're in love with James Bond and get him the machine

do we tell you anything else we'll kill you sold in the room we'll get you anything else will kill you and on the other side of this James Bond gets a note that says hey there's a Russian girl Russian consulate worker

in Turkey or Istanbul rather that wants to give of a specter machine. She wants to defect. Bring a spectre machine with her and fuck you. Sounds like a trap. I love this.

I love that everybody, both sides, know it's a trap. Yeah. And the British, Cronstein's, his reading of them is they will know it's a trap but can't resist it.

And they don't even deny that in Em's office. Like, let's do it. Em's just trying to kill Bond. That's all he's ever tried to do. There's this crazy mission. You have to be the one that goes on it. Ooh.

It's fun. Oh, I'm skipping over the fact... Okay, so that's the plan. I'm skipping over the fact that we meet James Bond outside with his green Bentley. The Bentley from Casino Royale, the book. Yeah, yeah. It's got a telephone in it.

Right. Silver Trench, he's got his girl, his steady girl. He shorthands Universal Exports and calls it Univex. Oh, wow. Never heard that before. No, I haven't either. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't catch that this time either.

Nice. It's James Bond put me to the Unvex. Yeah, so that happens. Then he goes over to Em's office, tosses a hat onto the hat, onto the hat coat rack, and, oh boy, M's in there. Yeah, but I like how he makes a joke

and quickly realizes that it's not the time for jokes. Yeah. Well, I think he's afraid of his boss. I think it's, yeah, definitely, definitely just a fear of M for some reason. Right. I don't know. I don't know.

Maybe it's just such the proper era, you know? I think so. Because you got now, current James Bond doesn't mind punning off to M, no problems whatsoever. Right. But. We'll see how this new M relationship's going to. I'm looking forward to me. Then Q, we get to see, we meet Q for the first time.

Yeah, Jonah. Did you know that was the first time we meet Q? Whoa. Really? Yes. Yes, indeed. Uh, Jonah's reaction to it, you thought light on the gadgets? Yeah, I was a bit, uh, I thought it was a bit light on the gadgets.

It was a bit, eh. And then this compartment, that's all it was, compartments. My favorite thing about that briefcase is that a feature of it is that it holds gold sovereigns. Gold sovereigns. Yeah. It's just, and here is some ducats. Yeah. And here's a strap that you put on under your shirt to keep your wallet.

because there's a lot of pickpockets of Istanbul. Did you notice, too, they would never let this fly in a movie today when Q is showing all of the elements of the briefcase. His pinky has a huge, like, purple bruise. You know how you can smash a fingernail and it turns all purple? Yeah. Which I love because it feels like he's working down there.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know it's just the actor. Slammed his hand in a door or something. Yeah, so we get the, we get the double-O agent-issued briefcase, which contains a flat throwing knife, a tear gas, container that is tripped by latches being opened in correctly.

Gold Sovereigns. The belt of gold sovereign. And a Walther sniper rifle. Yeah. That has an infrared site. Yeah. 22 caliber. No, sorry.

What? It wasn't. It was a 25 caliber. I got to go. I got to go. I think you'd be hard pressed to kill a person with that thing. Especially from that. You could hit them, but those.

bullet's tiny. He might fall and maybe die on the fall. Maybe that's all they were hoping for. I guess. Maybe that's all they were hoping. Well, we'll get to that later. The same thing with his bretta, because that's why his bretta was that calendar, and they gave him the 9mm. Yeah. Which today, 9mm is like, come on. Well, you're going to get the

that's posted shit. Yeah. You're going to get a higher velocity, longer barrel, more of a spin. That's true. I'm saying maybe it's going to work out, just fine. We'll get back. We'll be right. Yeah, so I thought, great, Desmond Willen with hair. First time we see him, this guy now is in the next 18 movies.

Wow. Yeah. Yeah, the only one he wasn't in up until he ended was live and let die. Yep. And that was just because of the script being unnecessary. Really, it took him 18 movies, be like, no, not this one. Oh, he died. Oh.

Yeah. How do you feel now? Better. He died in a car, actually. Yeah, he didn't even die of old age. On a way to a... This is in 2000 and... Maybe 2000?

We'll say 24. Yeah, 2012. He was on his way to a book signing. Oh, shit. Such a sweet. Yeah. Bummer. But they wrote him out very nicely.

He got a good bye. He got a good goodbye. Although he never gave those words of advice ever once. Because he leaves by saying, what have I always told you? Here are a couple things I've never told you. Never let them see you bleed. And second, always have an escape plan.

I have to go. My planet needs me. Bye, Philo. So, okay. Great. He's set up, ready to go. And then we meet our co-pilot through the movie. Character actor, Mexican character actor, whose name I forget, but died shortly after production, correct?

Pedro Almodar or something? Is that it? No, that's a director. Yeah, why I always get him confused, but it's something very similar. But yeah, super likable guy. Can we talk before the transition of getting there is when they start using the James Bond theme. And throughout this entire movie, it is only used for driving in cars leisurely, flying on an airplane. Leasurly.

Walking through the embassy office. Walking and getting in his hotel. Did you notice that? And then it climaxes when he opens the briefcase. Bannard Bannan Bannan Dada

Dada And not Shweiler Oh, is he Going from the lobby To his room Oh, I hope

There's This room won't do Bannabit I'll try the bridal suite What was up with that too? Like, It's like It's like the guy's listening in

And it's just It's like A tense situation Like clearly There's something Wrong with his room Tell me How'd he got the bridal suite

He's like There's the other bridal suite That'll be fine Like it's like And then he goes a, like, there was, who was that guy? Was he with the Russians?

He was just, I think he was just working, he was working for these, he was working for Spector, I feel like he was a Spector agent. Everybody's in a spy game around there. So do you think they gave him that room with the idea that he would want to go to another room? Yes, so the acting on behalf of that gentleman was incorrect. Yeah. It should have been more of a, this is all going swimmingly.

Yeah, exactly. Say we have the bridal suite ready. That's what he should have done. Because that's where they were going to have the, yeah, that's where the camera. was ready to film and fucking. Golan Gour on Gourlet. Man and

Matt. Perfect. So, okay, so we come in, yeah, Q's there, great. Oh, I'd like, I did, I made a note of the elevator wipe. He gets into the elevator

and then the transition, the scene transition is a wipe. Let me throw something at you. Yeah. Can I borrow a match? Oh. No, but I have a lighter. Oh, I prefer a liner? I use a lighter. I use a lighter.

Better still. Except when they go wrong on you. Exactly. Hello. We are spies. Right? That's what I mean? That's what you say when you're spies, right?

God, there's so much good stuff with that. Let's sort of, let's, we're running a very long time right now, so let's make some broader. Let's make broader strokes. All right, all right. Do you want to, sorry. Go, yes, go. Just quickly about that actor, he was dying during this movie, and he died, they, like, rushed his scene, so he desperately wanted to finish this movie. Which one?

The, uh, the, uh, carambe. The lovely. The buddy. Really? Yeah. And he died, I think, definitely before the movie came out. Yeah, right after production. Yeah.

Was he died? It was cancer. Jesus Christ. I know. And his son is in License to Kill. Oh, man. Those cubby, those broccoli's. They keep like getting bummed out by this guy.

Yeah, I know. That's so sweet. He's so sweet. He's great. He's great. It's so affable. It was almost like he was in a different movie. When you first meet him and the girl is like clamoring to be with him and he's just resistant to having to have sex with a beautiful woman.

And his comment is, back to the salt mines. That blew me away. Oh, my God. Oh, I have to go have recreational sex. Back to the salt mines. Oh, wait. You didn't get that he. He was going to eat her out because the salt mine would be the vagina.

What? No. Oh, that's the layer. Oh, I tend to not give these older films that kind of double entendre. Yeah, also, I don't think. Yeah. Oh, it's there. I don't think any guys were doing that because this movie is just full of just women being disrespected.

Yeah. Do you want a case and point? So he's putting his dick in the salt mine? It's just like it's like back to work. No, my point is the salt mine. Oh, I think it's, I think it's a double. Yeah, I guess maybe you're right. I didn't occur to me.

Yeah, I think it's a super double-up. But it's such a slam. Like, oh, I'm so powerful that I have to go have sex with this beautiful woman. Here's a just, it's not yet at the, we're not at that place, but. But you can go ahead, yeah. There's a part in the movie where there is the Bob Hope, you know, advertisement on the side. And then the guy lifts up the window. It's right where the girl's mouth is.

And then he starts to come out, shoots him down. and then James Bond says she should have kept her mouth shut like that is a joke that he's just making which is a reference to a normal term that someone would say about a woman with a black guy like it's you're getting ultra abusive on this situation she should have kept her mouth shut

that's like a thing people said should have kept her mouth shut I think he should have kept his mouth shut is as common as saying. I see what you're saying, though, yeah. I mean, it's definitely sexist. I can't, yeah, I can't, you can't defend. I can't defend the sexism in the James Bond movies because it is so blatant. That's like a reference to abuse.

Yeah. Should have kept her mouth shut. Well, I mean, Sean Connery famously. Told you twice, you know. Famously, Sean Connery in that Barbara Walter's interview talks about how he does think a woman needs a good smack every once in a while. And Roger Moore. had to go to court because his wife was beating him at one time. You know that?

There's your difference in bonds. And it somehow endears me even more to Roger Moore. I mean, he's a tall, big guy. He could swat back, but he's such a sweetheart. He swat it back with lawyers. Yeah. All right, so I think I interrupted something. Yeah, no, it's okay.

Yeah, we're going, so the, let's see, I don't even know what I wrote it. We're probably about onto the gypsy camp. Yeah. Well, let's talk about it. So they go to a gypsy camp. For fun? They go to a gypsy camp to avoid going back to James's hotel, correct?

I guess. I don't know. And at this point, the Russians have decided that they need to kill? He must not be there for good reasons. Right. Well, this is after James gets the thing, right? No. Oh.

No. No. Just watched it this morning. Something blew up. But first we start with... Oh, there was the attack on dudes' office. Yes. Yes.

Yeah. But it goes from belly dance into gypsy catfight, like that. And then into action sequence. Yeah. I mean, it's the really the... It's the real deal. Three punch. It's what every man wants to see in a movie, right?

Belly dancing, cat fighting and... Well, the catfighting. I mean, that's... It was pretty brutal. It was, you know, it was a girl version of mandingo, you know? Yeah. Yeah. It was just, you know, they were going to kill each other.

In essentially cotton panties or swimsuit bottoms. I don't know why they needed to take up their skirts. Yeah. I guess maybe it's just more material to grab. Yeah. So maybe it's a tactical advantage situation. But yeah, they're at a gypsy camp, and I will say that I really felt like

it felt it felt like a racist view of gypsies oh how do you mean every single gypsy character was a caricature of a gypsy character

it was like a circle jerk of pickpocketing the whole camp was sex and booze and revelry and just debauchery and I will also say that when shit starts to go down so there an attack happens

happens on this thing. They're trying to kill James, or the guy James is with, uh, the Russians are. Uh, the attack goes down. James, I feel like James nonchalantly was just stern shit up. Just like throwing the fire wagon, the wagon that was on fire. Yeah. He just sounded like blotze, just cut and stuff. Just turned over table guys are fighting on it. Yeah. Tossed it into nothing. If people were fighting near him, he would stop the fight by knocking both of them to the ground. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And, and. And. At one point he turns back and cold cocks the guy. Like he sort of dispensed with that gentleman and then decides to turn around.

I got to go back and knock him out with my pistol. I got a pistol with this guy. Willy-nilly with the shooting, just deciding to do it here and there. Yeah, hard to tell who's on whose side. And he and Karen Baer just firing into the crowd. And something you see as the viewer, which I thought was incredibly great, is Robert Shaw up there in the sniper's nest, taking people out to keep James Bond alive.

Yeah. Yeah. Because he needs James Bond alive for his plan to work. Right. For Spector's play. He saves his life. Yeah, saves his life. But then...

He's like a fagin. Yes. Yeah. He's... Very much so. I like it. Yeah. Okay.

So after this gypsy fight... Everyone goes back to partying. Everyone goes back to party. Yeah, even the head gypsy man has lost ostensibly sons-in-laws or family members, and it just comes over with a laugh, a hearty laugh. already laugh. Here, have a girl. Yes, you get to choose.

Yeah, you get to. That was, and like, you know, he appreciates it. Yeah. What do you want? Stop the girl fight. That's what he asked. Yeah, that was interesting, too, because what is his thinking there that he was a gentleman and he doesn't want them to fight?

I think so. Very not sexist. Yeah, which seems almost out of character. Well, because he's afraid one one's going to beat up the other one's face. Probably. And that's a waste of a pretty face. on both of them yeah he wants both faces

and so they show up to his tent and then then they fuck right is that what happens I don't know the only thing you know

is that you end up one of them is sewing his cuff while he's still wearing the shirt like adoringly yeah yeah yeah

there's love slaves yeah this is gypsy love slaves uh okay so the lector they have a whole plan to get the lector

and the plan is blow up the Russian consulate from underneath and then take the lector. And there's things I love about this, like in a spy story that they say, they tell her one day and then come a day earlier. Yeah. Which just seems like legit spy stuff.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Which I thought was cool. Which also, but the whole thing, it was just like, you're willing to go to the lengths of blowing up the Russian consulate in Istanbul to get the lector. Why not have done that earlier? Hmm.

Yeah, you could use that Yeah Anybody? No one can answer that question Why not do it? You know, without Tatiana's involvement at all Just sort of just blow it up And

Well, he likes her. Yeah, but I mean He likes her, likes her But what does she do essentially? I guess she just confirms its location Because otherwise, you're right, yeah Yeah Guys

Then they run through a really cool looking set Yeah Oh, they do, yeah They run through like a burned Like a blown up set No, no, no It's not blowing up. It's just like it's the, it's underneath.

It's the catacombs. Oh, I'm just talking about when they blow up the consulate and they have to run through the, when they run through the consulate and then go down the hole. Yeah, down the hole. And then there's all those pillars holding up, you know, all those catacombs, which is great. Which, and then there's the thing with the rats. Yeah. Rats and catacombs.

Sean Connery. What are you thinking about? What? What? Can you believe that they would do that twice? Full circle. Back to the well of them. Full circle.

Yeah, even though he wasn't in that scene. I know. But it was, I did think about it. A little weird character thing that I never caught before when they're calling back to the office in M and Moneypenny and all of those chiefs of staff are listening in on the code thing. Yeah. And then Bond says,

something about having sex or something, he goes with M in Tokyo and he asked Moneypenny to leave, which I never thought of M is he's probably married and he's just dicking around in Tokyo. That was a new character stuff for me. That was all, I like that a lot. But that means like they're in Tokyo and then M and Bonn just had this night out where they went to a Japanese bathhouse or something? Yeah.

Sounds good. Maybe that's when James went gay. With M. Yes. Forgotting. Not so far-fetched. Yeah, so what's sort of, I mean, the nitty gritty of this whole situation. He has the lector, great.

Now they get on a train. And this is sort of... They run straight to the train. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah. Right on it. By the way, the whole time... watch this. I'm like, this is a great plan. This is perfect.

This is going to work. Nobody's going to get hurt. Everybody's having a good time, except for the people who got blown up inside the Russian consul. I'm sorry, Russian. But then we start the train scene. Yeah. And then we see Robert Shaw's on the train. And he's so English, you can't believe it. Old man. Old man. In the book,

Red Grant is a homicidal, like, maniac rapist killer that kills when there's a full moon. He's just an Irish killer that goes and kills when the moon is fall. Wow. This is Fleming always has weird little things like that. It is

it is it's the, for me it's the pinnacle James Bond fight. It's amazing. I think this sort of train car fight. Now, okay, so here's the plan. The plan is it boggles my mind how cleverly written this sequence

is of them missing the train stop. The Russian officer that gets on unwittingly is killed as well as Pedro. They're both killed. James then has to... They end up having to stop somewhere, but he calls ahead to get M to send somebody to the office. It's from the office.

That person gets sent. James gives away his coat when he tells the guy that his brother is dead at what point does he say the code because Robert Shaw overhears the code happening

the code word happening and then Robert Shaw is then able to kill the guy sent by MI6 before James gets outside put on his hat grab his briefcase adopt his accent

adopt his accent which makes you think he's like a program killer I love it, though, because when the actor does it so well, I believe the character does it so well. Yeah, definitely. He's the Russian James Bond. Yeah, yeah.

Well, he's Irish. Oh, sorry. That's right. I forget Spector has many nations. All nations. Yeah. Everyone likes a good extortion. Revenge.

Anyway. Yeah, so what we see now, My, here's my, my brain watching this now for this might be the 30th time I've seen this movie. I just sort of was able to sort of just watch it from the standpoint of watching it for the first time. And we have someone here who's actually watched it for the first time. Was it tense for you? Which was the scene. Was James vetting Robert Shaw?

Tense? No, it wasn't tense at all. It seemed like he knew the entire time. You thought he knew the entire time? It felt like upon the conversation they were having where he said old boy twice and like when he was like, you know, he was suspect and immediately felt like he knew. I didn't agree. I think he was suspect, but I think the wine thing was like tipping him off and then asked him about how he dropped the drug and the drink. And then his explanation kind of panned out.

And so I think he was still waiting to see. Yeah, I thought that was kind of, I felt like he was matching up with James Bond. like step for step as far as like his explanation for things and no do not-da-da-no. And then I think it really was, the deal was really sealed when he tried to stab him. He opens up the brief, no, he opens up the briefcase. And it's the standard issue, 007. Yeah, and he's thing you are. This guy's legit. This guy's, yeah, totally legit. Let's talk about life. And then what does tip him off? I'm trying to remember. Oh, he just pulls out his gun when they take Tatiana in and drop her off and then he comes in

and then Red Grant just has his gun out, right? I think so, right? Yeah. that's when he's going to do the deal. He's going to kill him there. Yeah, and he puts the silencer on, and then for some reason, decides that I will not kill you because you will buy a cigarette from me for 20 gold sovereigns.

Yeah, I think... Where are the gold sovereigns in this case? Boom. Open the case. James Bond is dead. You have the gold sovereigns. This is where it falls apart. This sort of...

this little turn is where it falls apart. I see, I didn't catch that. No? I didn't, no. I think because I was willing to go, this is probably one of the first, if not the first movie, where a villain before killing them

kind of wants to tell them the... Although Dr. Noe basically did it too. Yeah, Dr. Noe basically did it. But I'll buy it in these early ones. It just got overused. Yeah, well, I like... What I like... It became a parody.

What I like about it in this one is that do you believe... for some reason you believe the character is so ready and so willing to be better than James Bond that he wants to say, this is how I beat you. Yeah, I feel like he wants his little dessert before he kills him. Yeah.

Yeah. He wants to toy with him. To see him struggle. Yeah. Yeah. But I just don't understand why he doesn't pull the trigger. I fully think he's going to but this is just my conjecture, but he just wants to talk to this guy. In some ways, they're kindred spirits. but also he's beaten, he's like Cronstein in a way.

Yeah. I think he's got too much hubris. Yeah. We might be giving it too much weight. I don't know. What do you think? Yeah, I think it's pride. Just too much pride.

Yeah. Yeah, and then they fight in a fucking train quarter. They keep knocking into Tatiana. I can't understand why this fight is so good in the second movie. And then many of the next fights and all the other movies are just kind of lame action movie fights. You know, they took great pains to make this real. The elevator fight in diamonds or forever is just as good, I think. I think so too, but I think they were directly going,

we got to do something like that again. But this is all due mostly, I think, to Peter Hunt as the editor, who was the first, even of that era, to really do these quick cuts. And back then, one of the rules in editing now is cut on movement because it's more dynamic, but back then the rule was don't cut on movement. Let people come to a stop before you cut away from them. And so this fight is so crazy and frenetic. I don't think anybody had seen anything like it before.

It's really tense, too. Yeah, it is. Like, is he going to get the, you know... Because there's no clean punches. It's just all grappling and... Yeah, and I don't think... I think you're still in John Wayne-style era for those type of things, you know, clean punches and gunshots that make you yawn and stretch before you fall.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, like a Cleb when she dies? Her orgasmic death? I have that in my notes. I feel like she's... She's really just letting it loose. So yeah This Robert Shaw

Robert Shaw is amazing Fucking phenomenal Kind of crazy When you like Think about the fact that You know Eight years later He's gonna be Quinn

Yeah Because he's so Yeah And buff Yeah That is crazy But But

For me For my money I think He's got to be the best henchman I think He's got to be the most capable And he's got to be Just the

acting, I think, is above all. There's no gimmick to him. Yeah, and there's also, I think, every time, the problem with henchmen, I think, throughout James Bond, is that henchmen are cast. When they're cast, the henchmen are usually character actors that I'm sure you get headshots of a bunch of people that are dressed up like odd job, and you go,

that's our odd job. You know, it's just sort of like, we need a chauffeur, get me all the pictures of Asian chauffeurs you have, and like, that's how they cast them. and I think that and that sort of is the thing throughout.

Jaws, I think, you know, Richard Kyle he's cast because he's that big. Yeah, and they're not characters.

The characters are not written out. This guy was a character. Yeah. And I think that pound for pound acting wise, Robert Shaw

might be the best actor in the entire history of the series. Wow. I think about it. He's up there, yeah. Yeah.

I mean, maybe you put Judy Dench, Ray Fines up there. I'd put Daniel Craig in there and Javier Bardem? I don't know if I'd put Daniel Craig up there. Harvey Arbadenham I can see.

Well, I have an extra slot. Have you not seen my shelf? Oh, I guess so. Yeah. My shelf still has Pierce Broson on it. Oh, dear. But yeah, no, Robert Charles is so fucking good. And that's really, I think, if there's any,

if there's any takeaway from this movie, to watch this movie, the biggest reason I think to watch this movie is Robert Shaw. That's sort of how I feel about. Agreed. Yeah. You guys agree with them? That's great. I'm glad we all agree.

then you think the movie should be over and then they decided to have a boat chase they decide to have a helicopter car chase and a boat chase yeah yeah I forgot about the helicopter thing which was really cool but unnecessary you know they have a boner for helicopters in this movie because it's in the beginning it's in the end

and I think actually helicopters were not even 10 years old at this point in regular use oh really yeah I think that was sort of this like you'd put a Chevy Volt in a Bond film yeah yeah what a good you're putting in perspective for us

oh yeah that's right too I think that briefcase full of what we would find to be like cliche spy things, I think would probably blow an audience of that time away. Yeah. Yeah. I love it. Yeah. I love the whole situation.

So then, yeah, then we come to the, I'm going to just skip the boat chase. Yeah. I actually fast forwarded through the boat chase at home. Nothing's revealed. Nothing changes. Yeah. I know just technically they missed the shot that I was like, we're going to rehearse and some special effects guy blew the explosion,

and then they had to kind of like rely on one camera to grab it or something. By the way, some of those fucking stuntmen like are on fire. Did you see the one that blows up in the guy's face? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That doesn't feel like it's on purpose. Yeah. But that was one of the ones. Because like the, because the shot is slightly off when it happens, it makes you go, oh, you know,

and then he jumps into water. Like, but the water's on fire. The wall, he jumps into water on fire. That's the guy, it's the exact guy I was talking about. The boat chases is. worth it just to see stunts gone wrong. Yeah. And like the most shoehorned in,

well, it's like where we say, like in England or where I come from, where there's smoke, there's fire. What does that mean, though, in the context of this? Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's fire everywhere, because you just blew up a bunch of gasoline. Yeah, the smoke is inconsequential.

Yeah, yeah. Also, guys, on a boat throwing barrels out, Robert Shaw? What? Robert Shaw, what do you mean? It's just like Jaws. Oh, right. This has the Jaws connection.

and the Last Crusade connection. Yeah. Yeah. The two best movies that both of those actors were ever in. That's true. That's true. I will walk away from the microphone now.

Yeah, so then the ending, sort of the ending scene, you think everything's happy, you forgot about Kleb. Everybody forgot about old knife shoes. She thought she was going to die, and then Spector ends up killing the other guy. Because that's what Spector does.

Right. Which is a lot. Yeah. Very often. the person getting yelled at who thinks they're going to die the guy next to them dies well it's it's a lot like

the I think season four opening of Breaking Bad or Gus Fring is talking to Jesse and Walt about how horrible they've done how they're just going to start just it's again and like you know Walt's you know trying to save his ass

and then as Gus is getting ready into an outfit he goes and he kills and he kills his right-hand man. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Yeah, that's very Bond. Yeah. Bond started everything, I guess.

The shoe knives. Pretty awesome. Shoe knife. Shoe knife, by the way. Poison shoe knife. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I forgot about that part of it. I really forgot about it.

We really must get the venom of the festera. Why? Why? Why? Don't you want people to know they're dead, and Spectre has just gotten the best of them? Most of them do, yeah. Yeah.

I mean, I don't understand why we want their longer working with like maybe a 45 seconds 50 I don't know it's 50 too long it could break stuff

how long does it take to make a hot pocket make it that long first how long does it take to invent a hot pocket you and your logistics I'm just timeline

10 years of helicopters she she dies in the most sexual death I think I've ever seen. Oh, it's great. Yeah. Also, the Rusky, hard time deciding.

Well, yeah, because she, at this point, is she aware that Kleb no longer works for the Russian super service? I think that's put in for audience tension. I think... I think pretty early on she's truly in love with them. What do you guys think about? Yeah, I agree with that.

Yeah. I mean, how could you not be? I was in love with him very early on. Right? Yeah. Here's what happens in the book. Do you know how this movie ends in the book. I love this. She gets him in the shin with her shoe knife. And Fleming didn't know if he wanted to write bond books anymore, so he ends with a

cliffhanger. No way. And you don't know if he's going to die. And then it comes back. I can't remember where the next book is, but he's recuperating. But it takes him a long time. Thunderball. Yeah.

Is it? Well, that's the only one that starts them recuperating. Is that the spa? I can't remember. I want to say, because I think this is a little... I could be wrong. I don't know. Maybe.

Maybe. because Thunderball's the one he writes with Kevin McGlory Yeah Which I feel like is late I don't know Someone out there knows Because they wrote a script Movie screenplay first

Yeah I don't know Anyway What's What's Because Ian Fleming wrote Chitty Chitty Chitty Bang Yeah

But it was Who wrote the book for Chitty Chitty Chitty Bing Because there was like a switch thing they did Oh Rold doll That's right Who also wrote the screenplay And the screenplay

Wrote the screenplay For you only live twice That's right. So, like, they basically, they switched. Oh, I didn't know that. They were friends, right? Yeah. Yeah.

Huh. You write this movie. How's he? I'll write, yeah. I'll write to one of your big... Could you take my feathered pen? Yeah. And cigarette inhaler?

Right? Yeah, I could, but I'm... You're mumbling again. No, I'm very busy with James and the giant peach. What? James is a good a peach. It's a giant peach. I'm writing James Bond on the Giant Peach.

What do we do with... Do you tell. I swear it. But is your Giant Peach large enough to ride? It might be. I'm also riding Jimmy in the Chocolate Factory. What? You know that Charlie in the Chocolate Factory has been published for years.

Uh-oh. It's a sequel. How have you done it? a glass elevator? Of course, I've done a glass elevator. I can't tell which one of you guys is which person. I think it's switched a couple times. It is a won't govator.

Yeah, who are you being? You're still Ian Fleming, right? In my mind. Yeah, okay. I'm always... You're asking about the glass elevator because you know in Charlie and the Jackal Factory that you've seen a glass elevator.

If I was doing your road dog... I don't do it very much. I'll tell you how it wanted all that. I'm very hard. I'm sorry. I thought there was a glass elevator in my movie as well. I wish I was a third British author I could be.

Who could... J.K. Rowling. I'm a baby. See, you're getting the timeline there. There you go. Helicopters are new. We from Russia with Loved. We sure did.

Next up, Quantum of Souls. Matt. Matt Matt Matt and Matt Madden Friendship bonding bonding

bonding friendship Matt and Matt That's the theme I don't know how we don't Just make that the theme Oh I think we should Yeah

We'll just sing it every time Yeah Not cool Why should just replay the thing I did when I made it up Are you an ASCAP? Why don't we just cut it out? Yes and BMI

Okay then we have to All right Sorry. Well, then let's get it clean. No, I can't do it. You don't want to be on 22 podcast episodes singing it. That and bad. We could, this is just great.

We'll do it all at once. How about that? Okay. So we'll get this clean. All right. So, one, two, three, and then on the four. Matt at that. I forgot.

That's doing it again. Matt and Matt, Matt, Matt and Matt and Matt and Matt and man and man. I'm sorry, bonding friendship. Okay. Oh, and then French. Yeah, yeah, sorry. One, two, three. Matt and Matt and Matt.

Matt and Matt and Matt and Matt. Bonding friendship. Friendship bonding. Man and mad and French bond. Double seven. This is the song. Myra. and Jonah

on this episode but not on the rest this will flesh itself out which we need you here every week done Jonah Ray thank you so much for yes if you want to follow Jonah on Twitter go ahead and search for Jonah Ray Donovan Jonah Ray Donovan at Jonah Ray Donovan

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Matt, we will... Quantosol's next week. Do we haven't lined up guests? We haven't lined up, well, we have some guests sporadically throughout. Yes. Lined up, but Quantum of Salas, we do not have a guest yet. We will have one. We'll figure it out.

That's one you, like, I'm going to ask you to the lame party. Yeah. Yeah, that one is the one we're like, we'll have you on this, but we should have you on something else cool. Yeah, that's true. And then Goldfinger, we're doing with Allie and Georgia. Okay, right. And they're going to make us some mint juleps.

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Just use Jonas' lyrics. Thanks so much. What do you do? I have to go, Dernsruzy, because. I'm dead. But Ian, we've both been dead for years. What? We have both been dead for years.

We've been Shyamaland. I don't understand what that means. M. Knight Shyamaland. Sorry. Still, at reference point, as many years after our deaths. Who? I have to go. Bye.

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