James Bonding - INDIANA JONESING: LAST CRUSADE

Episode Date: June 6, 2023

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Man and, Matt and, Matt and, James Bonding Podcast. James Bonding Podcast, it's the James Bonding Podcast. Welcome to Indiana Jones, Inc. The man is back and he's bringing his hat. Oh, his hat stayed on so much of this episode. Adventure has a new hat. There's a whole trailer they did, it was just about the hat. I think you're right.

Yeah, yeah. The hat was constantly flying off and then Harrison was. Ford staples it to his head and then he's riding a horse and it stays on. Maybe. Oh, yeah. Maybe that's how they continue the franchise. It just becomes a sentient hat. I don't mind that, you know?

It's like the hat chooses you. Yeah. If you're true of heart, you become the next Indiana Jones. If you think things belong in a museum and not in a personal collection, the hat chooses you. The Smithsonian. And whoever the Marcus Brody is the Smithsonian ends has to get all of Indiana Jones props. Because I think the hat and jacket are in the Smithsonian, right? That's true.

So the whip, the grail. I know who has his pistol. Who? Dave Mandel. Who's Dave Mandel? Showrunner of, he was chairrunner of Veep and. Which pistol like from Raiders or that Webley from this movie? The Raiders pistol.

Wow, that is cool. Well, if you had any doubts, this is. Indiana Jonesing. I'm Matt Gourley. I'm Matt Myron. I'm Paul Rust. Oh my gosh, Indiana Jonesine is back. The hat is back. Yeah. The Matt is back. And I would say the head is looking better than ever. Yeah. Myra's favorite. It is. That's right. Absolutely my favorite. Yeah. I love it. I think if forced to choose are probably Raiders boys, right? We discovered. Yes. Look, this movie. The Los Angeles, Oakland Raiders. That's right. This review, rewatching of it really. No.

No one was interested. Wait, Siri just gave you some kind of sports scheduled just because we said Raiders? Yep, the Raiders take on the 49ers, August 13th at 1 p.m. Why doesn't she launch into the Raiders re-release into theaters? I know, right? That showed at Look, Dine, and Cinemas? And how come Siri was so quiet about that? That'll be an Allegiance Stadium in case anyone's wondering.

Oh, wow. That's why I brought it. Thanks, Siri. But rewatching Last Crusade, really, I think, reaffirming. my opinion. Yes, I love it. It's not only this movie, peak of his powers, Indiana Jones, as far as I'm concerned, but it's also got heart, you know? Yeah. And humor. And the most comedy of any of the

movies and the most Nazis getting killed. Oh yeah. Most successful comedy, that's for sure. Oh, for sure. It's a screwball comedy of this movie. I 've seen this movie millions of times. And Manna and I sat down to watch it last night. I was taken aback at actually just watching it with a critical eye for a podcast, which I've never done. It's just a straight up screwball comedy. And that's not a, that's not a critique. That's, I mean, I love with this movie.

Yeah, you're right. It's all, uh, there's never any, uh, too serious. And if it is, it's about the, the love of a father for his son and a son for his father. That's what they're both really searching for, not the grail. Oh, but the father. Yeah. And that's straight out of Spielberg because I think Lucas was a, really into that as much, but you know Spielberg,

he's got to get those daddy issues. Lucas wrote the treatment called Indiana Jones and the Monkey King. Which I've read. Yes, nine-page treatment. Rough. Of course. It's like a haunted castle. Yeah. Scottish Manor.

Yeah. Haunted Scottish Manor. He has to stab a demon with an inscripted dagger. Ooh. That ain't no Holy Grail. Inscripted dagger. fail. Right? Oh, hashtag Holyfield. But they go back to the well of

souls. I would, what would we call it, I guess? Oh, just back to a well. I see. I see. Uh-huh. And it's a great well to be in. Yeah. Like, I forgot, like, part of me is like watching it. I'm just like, I'm just going to like really sort of clear my brain of the movie. Yeah, that's what I did. Yeah. Try to enjoy it. And like, I found myself at first being like, you know, Donovan's not so bad. This seems like he's, you know, really into collecting antiquities. Right.

Just a collector. He's just a nerd. Yeah. He's immediately like, oh, thank you for all your donations to the museum over the years, which is like, I'm like, okay, this guy's pretty okay. Yeah. Even though the people that get out of the car to stop Andy after he has a panic attack and leaves his job of professor.

Which I definitely can relate to. Oh, my gosh. God, it was really interesting to just watch him bail on his life. Yeah, I was happy to see you as popular because nothing I think makes me sadder than the professor who has office hours where no students show up. As someone who has taught many years of college, I can tell you that that is the most wonderful position to be in. Really? Because I think nobody ever shows up at office hours because my professors would always go. But that's a good professor.

Hey, nobody ever, why don't you guys ever come? I'm sitting there for an hour once a week and none of you take an opportunity for this. Not me. I was always like, you know, best to reach me by email, whatever. Oh, well, I think that's because we might have a Dr. Jones situation with the love girl. Did you have boys and girls writing things on their eyelids and blinking at you slowly? They just did like a body paint makeup of awake eyes as they. would sleep.

I thought I was like, this means he's a terrible teacher. Like, because he's unclear in what he's assigning and what the work is. Because he's always assigning as their, the bell is rung and they're leaving. And he's like, you're Freides chapters one through 10. Look at where, you know. We're looking at the dig. The 1898 dig of the Egypt. Yeah, okay, bye.

I notice his energy has changed, though, because we remember in the first one, he's sort of like befuddled and thrown off by the flirtations. Now this one, he's into it. He's got tenure or something, I guess. Because when they were leaving, he was making the eye contact at them. Yeah. And I noticed that. Yeah.

And then I reflected, I was like, is this the movie's first way to tip you off that Marianne ain't around anymore? Like, because if they had replayed like a lady, a student flirting with him and he was like, ooh, you think maybe like, oh, is he like, no, I'm Marion's man. But when do they officially say Mirion's not here? Or is it just kind of assumed, right? Well, yeah, they don't really. So, but now retroactively looking at Crystal Skull, that whole thing happened before this, I'm assuming.

So they weren't together long. They were together long enough to conceive mutt. Yeah. So mud was... Well, there's also an other weird timeline here. Because the Utah scene takes place in 1912. Yeah. The new movie takes place.

in 69 and Indy's 70. Yeah. So that means he was born in 1899. So River Phoenix is supposed to be 13 in that opening. Sure. I'll buy it. That's okay. I mean, he's a advanced 13, I think.

What was he in real life at that point? He's probably born in 1970. So he's probably like 18, 19. Yeah, 19. He's really good at being Harris. He is. Oh my gosh. Yeah.

We were robbed. You're not even like, you're not even aware. really of Harrison Ford's mannerisms until you see someone else doing them. Yeah, and thanks to Brantley Palmer sent our researcher sent some notes and mentioned about how these two work together on Mosquito Coast. And so he had already had like, like Harrison Ford data that he could mine to mimic him and stuff. Oh, and any 15 year old boy is going to be hanging out two months with Harrison Ford, I would be emulating him from like day one. I mean, we already all were to like copy him.

But speaking of Brantley, and before we get ahead of ourselves, we have to go backward a little bit to Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom because we have some information on the egg catching scene. Thank you to Brantley Palmer. Yes, thank you, Brantley. He got to the bottom of the- He went on a deep dive. Chicken or egg.

And first thing he found was, of course, the comic book that started at all. Is that a novel? But it's really the novel. And then he found the scripted. not in there, but then he found the shooting script. Yeah, that was the thing that blew my mind, because I've never seen this before. Yeah, it's in the shooting script. There's also a storyboard, but there's still, to this day, doesn't seem to be...

Oh, and the big, big thing was, yeah, there's some shots of the pilots and looking at each other, like, oh, yeah, and he's got the gun, and there's a call sheet and that they're going to shoot the egg thing, but there's a whole Rube Goldberg thing with the egg falling down all the crates and little cages and stuff and indie catches it. So it looks like it was probably shot. Yeah, it's in the call sheet. So listed.

That just makes me wonder, how did this originally come up who first was remembering it? Was it you, Paul? Yes. So I wonder if you must have seen it in maybe he thinks maybe TV promos might have happened? No, I never believed that there ever.

It was me just being, oh, when you go on, when you're hard up for more indie talk and you go to indie webboards from 2006. They had a big thing talking about this, and I just thought it was interesting. I wonder if it ever made its way into like a TV cut of the movie, because like if you watch Jaws on TV with commercials,

you get, there's a couple extra scenes you get. Like one of them is Halloween as well. Quint going to the music store to purchase piano wire to use for short-catching. There's a kid playing an oboe, trying to play Odejoie on it. That's right. And Robert Shaw gets behind him

is like, bah, pop, pop, ba, pop, bah, ah.

That's awesome. Oh, yeah, because you get a little bit of Quint's funny buddy. Yeah.

I like that little guy. I just can't believe this would have never be uploaded to YouTube,

though. Someone would have a VHS copy that. Yeah, I think it's, it'd be really cool

of somewhere you could find the footage. It must be the people's novel and comic book. You'd make

a little a thing of your brain. I think so. But what's your favorite TV extra scene? Like, for me, I remember a problem child having chock full extra TV urgency is that I was so thankful for. Ghostbusters 2, I believe. Also had a couple extras.

A little bit more. Another 1989. Yeah, another 89 sequel. Another summer of 89. Wow, what a summer it was. Oh, man, no kidding. It's a little bit more of Winston. Ray and Egon in the tunnel.

Oh. And covered in slime and in the restaurant. 1989. We've talked about all the movies that came out. I didn't realize this movie opened up on May 24th, which was the day after my birthday. I've just turned 16. I'm probably driving to this movie.

I mean, that's unbelievable. I'm not because I failed. He driver's speeding. So I'm being driven because I failed my driver's test the first time. But still, life is looking good. I mean, what a summer. Yeah, because what you got, you got that. And then Batman, 89.

Ghostbusters 2. Lethal weapon, too. Robot cop, too, right? Is that right? You got license to kill. There's some more... Back to the Future, Part 2 in November. Yeah, yeah.

I mean, fuck. Which is funny, because if you look at the top box office movies in 1988, it's like staggering how they're all original. Yeah. And like half of them are... comedies. I partly wonder if it's, you know, there was a big, not just going with 2003 eyes here, but there was a big writer's strike in 88. That's like why Batman 89 script is a little wonky because they were like had to start shooting. Some of the scenes are just kind of

like, what, how's this piece together? So I wonder if maybe it was just like, hey, next year there's a strike. Let's focus on like literally every studio had its own little sequel. Yeah, it is kind of like the beginning of the end of like how franchise IP took over the world. Yeah. I think 89 is probably the birth here. I think we're just looking at it through the lens of now, you know? You think? Yeah, because like even in the 50s, they were 500 Davy Crockett.

You know what I mean? It's like... That's true. This is like a thing that has always existed. The Flash Gordon's serials. But those were always B level. This is the A level version. Sure.

Yeah. But like the whole idea of like now, there are no original ideas in Hollywood is like, like they never happen. Let's let's come on. Come on, guys. We're all in the industry, you know, live nearby. It's interesting. The original ideas thing, because I was thinking about when I was watching this,

like, you know, Temple of Doom, all of their set pieces were ones they couldn't get in Raiders. It was like, oh, the mine cart and the going down in a car out of a plane and an inflatable raft. And so, like, but this one seemingly doesn't have any. holdover set pieces. I imagine they had to draw these from scratch unless you remember in the nine page treatment. Was there any like, oh, there's a tank horse scene or something?

They go back in this one, according to Brantley. I didn't realize this. After a really favorable test screening, they still wanted to add more, even though the studio, yeah, was saying,

no, we got, we're good. Which is funny because the first or second to, Las Crusades, definitely the Indiana Jones movie I've seen the most because we had on VHS,

and I wore it out. loved it. I remember like the first or second time I saw when that motorcycle chase happened thinking, this movie is action packed. It is just relentless. And it does the trick. And if you think about it, if it went just from him getting the dad out of the castle and then pulling up to Berlin or Donovan having the conversation about getting the, you'd be like, yeah, it was kind of a lull there. but it is wild to go from them escaping the fiery, you know, the room to the motorcycle chase and then to the plane, to the tunnel, it's like amazing. That is like a whole 30-minute block.

What's your favorite set piece in this movie, guys? I mean, I think it's indie going through the trials. I think for me it's the castle, the whole castle. sequence. I love. Like, just from rescuing dad to the fire to the motorcycle chase. My favorite action sequence in it, this is great guys. We all chose different ones as the boat chase. That's good, too.

I think it's the weakest opening of any of the indie films. Because it's not indie and jazz. Even maybe Crystal Skull. You like Crystal Skull more, the opening? I don't hate that opening. I watched that opening again recently. It was cool how it, like, stylized it was. sort of blown away by like just the vistas and like the lengthy long shots that he sat on

like in monument valley and stuff. And then it sets up that really funny gag then that when they get up close, then you realize it's little kids. Yeah. And then yeah, the most pivotal day of anybody's life where you have five trademarks of your entire future. But in 30 seconds, he gets a bullwip, gets his scar, gets afraid of snakes, and gets the hat. Yeah, that comes a little bit after.

This is what I say every time Glenn doesn't get her way and freaks out, I always go, you lost today, kid, that it doesn't mean you have to like it. I think I've already said that on this podcast. Should we write a prequel about that guy? The man and the fedora man, I think, is his. Fedora man. From Friday the 13th, Part 5. Yeah, yeah, he's the halfway house counselor.

Yeah. Yeah, he's a, I like that guy. I'm trying to think, is he like just like an archaeologist for hire or is he even in archaeology? It does seem like he, Indy that day, fused those two, he fused his dad side of the guy in the den by himself thinking and then the adventurer dude that day. And he was like, I'll just be action-packed like that guy, but thoughtful like my dad or something. It is kind of funny when Sean Connery is asking him. Is this what a typical day is like for you? Yeah, well, you know, it's funny because I wonder, you know,

they do go when they go to the dad's house, they see it's ransacked, right? Or is that, uh-huh. Yeah. That's not Indy's house. That's his dad's. Yeah. Right. So his dad lives in the college town with him.

Somewhere nearby, yeah. That's a whole, I mean, do they teach at the same college? A father and son who kind of are a strange coming together for an adventure and figuring it out. It's like, oh, that. guy who I go and I buy groceries for him every week and I drop him. Like it's kind of a weird, like when you think about, oh, the last five years, they've been probably bopping about.

Yeah, do they teach at the same college? Because he's still teaching. They say he's the one that the students hope they don't get. Yeah. Oh, that'd be amazing if they taught at the same college and still didn't talk. Yeah. Like, one of those things. You're like, oh, yeah, I never see Kiefer and Donald Sutherland ever together.

But they're currently speaking. They just didn't talk for 20 years. Or have they not been speaking? They haven't talked much in 20 years. But come on. They're in the same. That's not as much of a, I got the feeling. That's why we've barely spoken in 20 years.

And then Connery's like, okay. So like the faculty lounge is here. Let's talk. What do you want to say? Yeah. I don't know. And then they get into the book and they're like, okay, so here's what we got to figure out. Yeah.

Sort of come together on that. Yeah. Yeah. That's cool. I like that part. Do you think the shotgun. Connery was insulted by Harrison Ford's Scottish accent. When he goes into the catalog.

I never put it together until this time that he does that because probably Indiana Jones knows how to do a Scottish accent because he is a Scottish father. I never put that together. That's so good. I love that. I'm Mickey Mouse. Yeah.

You know that's not Mickey Mouse. Huh? That's not Mickey Mouse that he says. That's why it goes off his shoulder weird and his mouth is his lips. don't match it. What does he say? Jesse Owens. Oh, that is, I'm glad we didn't go there. Yeah, there's a little bit of that. And I also never caught when Donovan is giving treasures to that sultan that he says, donate from some of Europe's finest families.

Germany's finest families. I never put together that, oh, God. Well, we talked about in the previous episode, the people talked about, that's the big thing people have made up is that they sat when they saw it in theaters. He said Jewish families. Oh, right. And then I went down this whole hole where somebody pulled the 35 millimeter print and looked at the sound waves to show that it always dropped down at that part. And that was never in there.

It's just it's because it pauses as he's going behind somebody. The other weird sound thing that I found out today on a Reddit, the music that's playing when the scene you were talking about, like, what do you want to talk about? Okay, let's look at the book and said there's jazz music playing on the thing. And it's the same music that's playing when Donovan first walks in to his office when he gets first introduced. Probably they just needed music. But the reason it was brought up is because it slightly sounds like the Imperial March.

So people didn't know if it was like a little tip of the hat too. Which he also plays an Imperial officer. That's crazy that Walter Donovan and Vogel, the Nazi, are both still. alive. Michael Byrne and Julian Glover. And what about the fact that Walter Donovan, he's a bad guy in Indiana Jones, Star Wars, James Bond. Game of Thrones.

It's like to be a bad guy in all those franchises, that's pretty good. I know. I mean, until Mads-Michelson came along, who's now a bad guy in virtually every franchise, James Bond, Star Wars, he's quite a bad guy. Should we write him? Mads-Mittleson vehicle where he's the protagonist.

Yeah, like a kindergarten cop thing. Yeah. Like where he's gentle and seat. He almost always plays a good guy in his home country, but, you know, because what else? What was, is he's in Harry Potter, right? I think. Oh, wow. Indiana Jones.

The famous reboot of the Clash of the Titans franchise. Of course. Clash of the Titans and Wrath of the Titans. My favorite 3D movie. The other thing, too. I watched this and I was like thinking about when Donovan is aging rapidly and turns into a skeleton and then all was left of him as a Nazi pin. Like all that's like this little swastick thing. I was like, oh, what about his wife who at the beginning wanted him to come back to the party?

Like who's going to tell her? I think she's better. Oh, that's right. She's better off. She's getting a term. I want to post credit it's like airplane type of sequence of the guy in the taxi cab with her at the dinner. party waiting for Donovan to show up. No, it's impossible. He hated the Nazis.

I like extrapolating these things, too, because I would love it in the new Indiana Jones is 1969, and theoretically, Indie could go back to Alexandria or wherever that is and visit the night. He's still in that place, just living there. I sort of assume that, like, once the grail went down the little down in the hole, the night was sort of like, I wonder. I wondered about that, just because he can't drink from it is he's waving like. like, thanks.

I mean, I kind of appreciate what you did because this has been miserable, but also you fucked me. It was nice to see you. Yeah, what's going to happen? Like, is it, what's assumed? Yeah, he goes back there, big rock falls on his head and he's like, hey, thanks. Yeah, what is his outcome? Joseph of Veramathia.

There's another thing. Is there, is there a way where could the story have gone, Donovan successful at getting the cup correct and drinks of this thing? and then like he just takes the seal with him everywhere he goes. That's a real loophole. He just travels with the seal. That's a real loophole. Lays it down on the red carpet.

Or, you know, he turns that, that temple into like a very swanky modern apartment. There. That's probably more likely. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Gets running water, electricity. And then like when you, when you exit, because it's not like as soon as you exit, it's not like you age immediately. We don't know. resume normal aging. No, you know because

Dr. Jones. Oh, right. You know, Henry Jones Sr. He drinks it and he goes out. Indiana Jones goes out too. So you know that it's just like, you've stopped being immortal. Continue. Okay. So it's like you could pause as long as you're in there.

So like, could he just be like I'm going to live here, but like this is my like Dorian Gray sanctuary? Like I'll go out for like a day every two years or something like that. It's not a or even year, like day to day. I mean, the other problem is you kind of are stuck in that part of the world

unless you really want to get around for a while. Yeah, but I mean, I'd take a week off my immortal life. Yeah. You know what I mean? I'd chance it. You're also going to lose everybody you love. That would be tough. Well, I mean, he could bring his wife over, you know.

Yeah. So at least he could do. Matt, I would see new friends every 50 years. That could have sounds fun. Yeah, that's true. That's actually sounds fun. But don't you become like a vampire. podcasts we'd be doing.

We become so cynical and jaded and world weary that no one wants to be friends with you. Yeah, that's funny imagining him. Like, if he's still in the little cavern and he's doing his own like solo, like, live vlog. So he's active on social media, Walter Donovan. Don't forget to hit the bell. Comment below. Just bad lighting. Which cup do you think is the cup of a carpenter?

He's still a Nazi even though the war The 80s were officially over though guys with that cup The fact that it's not blinged out And it's a Yeah A basic cup

I think if that had been made In the Temple of Doom Fortune and Glory days That cup would have been just huge With an American flag on it Just inside the cup With a Cousy Ronald Reagan Cousie

Or just do it You know, I was raised Catholic, and that is, I think, a Catholic fantasy is the like, oh, yeah, the crumbiest cup. It's like the same reason. It's like the same reason. I love Chicago. Chicago's a big Catholic town. They love the cubbies. They never win. It's the cup. It's the same thing. It's like a lot. That's so funny because I had no religious upbringing until it hit my family later. So I actually learned about what the arc was, what the Holy Grail was from these movies. I had no idea what these things were. Isn't that crazy? Yeah.

And the Shankara Stones? Can you believe I didn't know what those were? We were taught that very early. Yeah, at Sunday school. CCC, we'd just be like, okay. What can you tell me more about the dial of destiny? Well, as far as the belief thing then goes, so like I noticed that that opening class, he says, truth is different than fact.

And he says, you know, oh, I know this. bedtime story. Are they trying to like, and it's cool, is it like frame that this is indie, you know, people slag on it and he's like, oh, every time he's back not believing. Yeah. But I think it is the movie's way of trying to give nuance.

It's like he does know fantastical things can happen, but like the way the Holy Grail story is told he thinks is kind of bullshit. And that's like what the fact is different than true like or do you think it is he just kind of goes back to zero again and he's after this one it's tough to buy that he doesn't believe in this shit because he saw his dad be healed by holy water in the holy grail he also met a 700 year old night but i mean at the beginning of

crusade when before he goes on it when he's teaching those students in the beginning does he think when he's already been uh possessed yeah but don't you think there's an element in the arc of the of him going like I'm such a skeptic I can't expect these kids to believe this and I also don't want to teach them that even if he believes what he saw he's probably very cautious about

what he represents you know and it's different than from what his dad believes his dad seems to be believe in like a spiritual element yeah he seems very very like old school religious yeah right yeah that's the most

whatever Greatest Generation versus Boomer moment in all of the Idiot of Joe's movies. It's like, it's like a seat straight from dad, that Jack Lemon, Ted Danson movie that Spielberg produced. It has that same sort of...

Well, this one has a lot of... When Indy's about to make the leap of faith and they cut back to Sean Connery going, believe, believe. And I mean, this one really has a like, not only is God real, but the Christian Bibles. I mean, leave it to Spielberg to finally, justify Christianity.

As a Jew. As one of the world's greatest. I guess it's old testament. Jewish people. Old Testament Jew, but. I was walking with my son in the neighborhood and one of these little Orthodox kids scoot the scooting by. And he goes, excuse me, are you Jewish? And I go, no, but he is.

And he goes, he is. I'm like, yep. And then we just kept walking. Was he asking like, because he always asked. Because I am a Jew and I wouldn't... Yeah, they need to do a mitzvah. Oh, I see, I see. Oh.

The, yeah, you know, the father or son stuff in this is like... I love it. It touches it. But like, it's a little too goopy for me. Wow. I'm sorry. Like, I just got to speak truth here. When we saw Raiders together, when the three of us saw in the theater, I was like,

what I loved about it was just like it was so... stripped down and like raw. And I would say even in its feelings, it's a little softer, which is fine. But also in the like the way it's made, you know, like that boat scene at the beginning, that's pretty bad. That's like, it looks like a stage show thing at a theme park. Oh, yeah. Sure.

And then when they go like to the apartments in Europe and stuff, it's all stage. when like in Raiders, all the windows are open. You're seeing like real life city, street. I just feel like it's got a Jedi feel that they kind of stripped it down a little bit. I love the movie. It's so good. It's better than any most movies. But I just like the feeling that they got something to prove, I feel like is gone.

I'm with you on that. In fact, my weak spot in this movie is the night sequence at the end. When he comes in and there's just an old knight who's been alive. this entire time saying, Hi, how are you? It does lose me. And it does take me out this time

because I did watch it from an adult point of view, which is probably not a good idea. I love the movie too. But yeah, it gets... Well, and then I end up like arguing for stuff that people, hey, like in Temple of Doom,

you know, those action sequence sequences get too wild. Yeah. But I'm like, I wish there was one sequence in this that went bonkers. Like they're all,

a little... I think the most bonkers thing in Last Crusade is the German officer shaking his fist at the Hindberg. I love that. It's the stupidest looking shot in any movie that's ever existed. Like, even the way he's holding his fist isn't like how you would hold it. I love that actor so much. It's kind of like turned this way. That guy. Sadia. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That I am, ILM blue screen stuff that was at the time. They were overtaxed that summer because they had. had to do the effects for everything that was coming out. Like the future too and stuff. And then goes, wow.

Yeah. Yeah. Because yeah, that and you know what? It's like one of those things that my eye loves it. Like the plain thing. I know that's a blue screen, but I like how that looks. I wonder if that's an aesthetic choice by ILM. Well, you never used to see that well lit and over exposed blue screen.

Right. Oh, yeah. It's a date of time. strange. That shot of the pilot going by them driving is practical. Did you know that? That's awesome. Yeah. I'm like watching them on the set and they're like wheeling the plane guy. I'm like, that's amazing wild. Oh, I had, you know, when watching this and the practical effects, you know, I found a new argument, guys, for why practical special effects are better than CGI. You guys, ready for it? Yeah, convince me. When we were kids,

part of the fun of watching these special effects movies was figuring out how they did each one. Each one was its own different trick. When you're a kid now, you just go, oh, computers. Like the fun of rewatching going like, oh, that. Even like when a filmmaker does it practically on purpose, like people still don't even know that it's practical because they just assume that it's like.

I know. I don't with you. When you're like the, fin of that plane is all squibbed up, but then they cut back to a real plane and it's got like painted on holes. And I just, I love that kind of the seams in that.

What about, what about the miniature tank they threw over the edge? Yeah, with the tiny weighted German guy on top. I know. I love that. And then when the lid falls off,

you can't see inside. It's got the little peg. The turret falls off, but then they cut back to it a little bit later and the tour it's back on. Yeah, well. Yeah. I like it when that guy's going,

that was like, yeah. The sound in this is so, good. I love just this like rich island sound of like things being shot and metal screeching. Metal screeching in this movie. This is why I always put this movie on to test any sound system in high school when I was like... It's the best use of the

Wilhelm scream, I think. Yeah. Just that guy falling off the little rock. Yeah. Because like that like that's a situation where I believe that's yeah. Those metal screeches when the when the ship blows up off the coast of Portuguese and you just hear before it blows up that. Of the coast of Portuguese people? Portugal. my Portuguese.

Right. Off the coast of Portuguese. That's very funny. Off the coast of Portuguese. Near the coast of Spanish. Do you think that the scene, I mean, the sound is great overall, but like there's a couple times

where the mix I'm just like, really, guys, we're going to do that? Like, it's the boat scene and that repeller's going. I love it. But still the punch. It's louder than everything. It's so selective.

I love the rat scene. This is perfect. It's like what movie, movie, movie sound is like when he goes, ugh, rats. But you don't hear the rats until the camera goes to them. Like somehow a magic microphone is attached to the lens. It only picks up sound that's right.

Anytime you look through a scope or a binoculars in a film when you start to hear the things on the other side. Same with when he gets on the horse and runs away and then the cars come up. You don't hear the cars until they're... It's perfect. I mean, I love it. I don't want to be tricked.

Oh, along with the sound, though. Holy cow, John Williams, the score. With the, you know, I know I told you, I love the boat chase scene, but I love the little, like, Viennese. Oh, the mandolin. Like that he adds to that. And when you hire a boy Johnny Williams,

you know that he, on his own, he's going to come up with like five. different, the fact that he just comes up with a new theme for the Holy Grail when he could have easily just repeated the Ark of the Covenant thing. J. Dub gets it, you know. Oh, he's the best. So good. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the, uh, what other? What do you think of, what do you think of Allison Doody? You know what? I never quite questioned her when I was younger, but this time, when they had their first little flirtatious scene when they arrive in Venice, it's, am I? I always took it as they were almost quoting something because they say it so by row. Oh, it's like a spy.

It's like spy language. But it's not, though. I know. That's the weird thing, but they're delivering it that way. And then I'm thinking, wait a minute, I don't think they are saying lines that they know. They're supposed to just extemporaneously be witty like this, which is great. But they are both delivering it with such kind of like robotic speech. It's weird.

In the same thing of like there's just points where I was like it just doesn't feel alive. For me, it was like when they're at the top, when the train, when the guy's like, come on, kid, you know that train? That thing. I'm like, oh. They're like, it's just like, yeah. They were like, you know what, it's good? The train looks good. It's moving fast. Like, whatever, like not going back to get like. But the same with that. It's like, but you know, it was funny with that scene when she goes, like, you have your, you have your father's eyes and you have my mother's. And my mother's ears. The rest is yours. Yeah. I was watching with my wife Leslie and she said, I did this joke for you, meaning me. And then she said, you can tell the podcast about it too. Because it cracked me up.

That's nice. So when she went, you have your father's eyes. My wife, Leslie went, and you have my mother's pussy hair. And I laughed so hard. And she went, that was for you. and then she was like, and you can tell the guys on the podcast.

If I had my way, I might recast Allison Dutie and Julian Glover. I just don't think he's the greatest villain. Well, I was thinking about it. They have the tough thing of my belloc's going to be my boy from beginning to end.

Yeah. My belloc. Because when he's doing it, his villainy is seductive. And it's always going back and forth between like, you know what? This guy can maybe convince me to go to his side. And then the second one, just flat out bad. There's no possibility that the leader of the,

the temple guy with the big horn. Oh, yeah. Amrish Puri. Is that his name? Molaram. Molaram. Yeah, there's no. Like he has a good moment.

So this is like, they do it where it's like the heel turn, right, or whatever. So they're good. And then they're reverse heel. But like, they're good and then they get bad. Once you reveal somebody who is now bad, then it's kind of like, well,

if they show any signs of being good, it kind of mixes up the turns. So now they're just kind of left after that turn. But that was the first time a true plot twist worked on me when I was a kid. When it was revealed, when she took the book from him and backed off, I knew plot twist like, oh,

Joker's revealed to be Jack Napier who killed. But that would just kind of hit me like, okay, that's plot information. This was the first time I remember being like, oh, oh, I've been had. Gotcha. Who could you put in those two roles that? I mean, I love him as Vogel,

but Michael Byrne as Donovan would work for me too. I just love that actor so much. the guy who's like when this is how we say goodbye in Germany yeah he actually would but would have been problem is as soon as he shows up

talking about the gray on the first scene you'd be like this guy's bad bad dude right but he's played good guys before like he plays a sweet old man in apt pupil yeah maybe he could ooh Nazi this guy all he plays is Nazi he's in force 10 from Navarone as a Nazi

but he was a Jew that recognizes a Nazi in apt pupil Paul. He's also in the smiley's people. John LaCarray story. So check it out. Check it out. And then what about the girl? Allison Dutie. Allison Dutty is Irish, which I didn't even know until I was watching some like behind

the scenes thing last night. Yeah. And then I was like, I've seen her before. Where have I seen her? Oh, and she's also in the Pierce Boston movie with the bad acting. This is. Here it is. Ready, everybody? And maybe you shouldn't bill Oh my God. And she's Jenny Flex in view to a kill. Oh, so that was the first true. Wait, when did he play a bond villain during cover?

Was that never seen? It was for your eyes only in 1980. So these are two big bond polls too. Yeah, we should also mention today, June 6 is the 40th anniversary of the release of us. Octopussy today. Hey, guys. Congrats.

Thanks for celebrating. We got here. Yeah. I'm excited about that because Octopus, as we all know, is my favorite movie they just throw on in the background. It's so good. So who's the, who's your, your girls that you could, like the actresses in 89 that. That would work as both Austrian.

A Nazi. Yeah. A not Nazi? A Nazi? A Nazi? A Nazi. A Nazi. Um.

Yeah. I don't. Oh, she'd be too big for this. But like a Michelle Pfeiffer. I don't know. I mean, they got Connery. Hmm. But maybe that's two, once he got two superpowers.

Also, Pfeiffer's like, you know, still two years away from being catwoman. Yeah. Could she do a convincing German accent? I think that's, I think she could. You do. Yeah. Well, she was in, um, music box. And that's like about a, my dad,

a Nazi worker, but I know. So maybe she has some double feature that with apt pupil. A lot of Nazis. I like, one thing I do like about watching this movie is how, uh, double down Sean Goddard has Ford are on how bad Nazis are, which is like such a welcome thing to see nowadays. Uh, big time. Yeah.

Oh, good. I didn't expect that to age better. Yes. That's very easy side to take. I'm not hearing the, there's good people on both sides. the scum of humanity is more like it yeah well and then having it's the best choice of the movie of having

Sean Connery's character be behind the eight ball and not be an action star it's just like the most endearing stuff in the movie it's funny when Indiana Jones is like don't call me junior and he shoots three Nazi soldiers It just reaction was like, oh, my son takes souls. I was thinking, though, those soldiers who get a phone call to their families and their son gets the news that their dad is dead.

It's like, oh, my dad has gone forever. Who killed them? A father and son. Archaeologists. Two father and son archaeologists. It's okay. Your dad was a Nazi. He deserved to go.

That's like, oh, right. Oh, that's so fucked up. I do I do I mean it's interesting watching this with all the Nazi imagery in it and like Hitler showing Hitler's showing him yeah he gets Forrest Gump style kind of like this like funny but at least they didn't try to put him in with real footage like Forest Gump That would have been amazing colorize Ted Turner style

I yeah I like Adolf showing up in this if he had just remains sort of like this like that's how it's so weird love it love it first name basis huh Paul I didn't mean it that way I don't there's something that kind of like

I like him as like Vera and cheers is like this thing that in the Indiana Jones movies this like I'll never see her also just because I like how the villains use Hitler he is a bitch in these movies like the villains never are like

I agree with Hitler They're always like, businessmen. Or they seek their own glory. Opportunous. Yeah, opportunists. That's the word I'm using. Yeah, like, because, like, I don't, there's no evidence that Donovan supports the ideology of the Nazis. He just wants the grail.

Right. Yeah. And same with Elsa, not to defend her. I think we should. I think we should. She's, you know, sad about the books. But she's, you know, complicit for sure. Yeah, it's different than.

Right, if they were facing a villain who believed in the... She was just like, you know, she's out there at her Florida book burning, crying a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, the autograph scene, right? So that goes into... Do the replicas of the Grail diary have the Adolf Hitler signature? That's a good question. Or are they from pre-Aidolf Hitler signature?

Like, what point of the movie are they from? Yeah, and like what state is the rubbing in? Is it half a... rubbed or full rubbed? Great question. Who has the, who has that little book, I wonder.

That's a good book. The original? Yeah, that is cool. That might still be in the Lucas archives. Damn, to flip through that would be so fun. Well, they make, you can buy replicas of it. Yeah, you can buy like, you can buy a, sort of like a photocopied, sort of shitty replica of it on Amazon for like

30 bucks. Or you can go on like Etsy and there's like a couple of people that make these incredible ones that are like 900 bucks. I got to say, in the fan world of Indiana Jones cosplay most of them always miss the mark a little bit

like an Indiana Jones costume always has a little bit of a partially because it's the body that it's on you know but even still I think it's also like the color's never a right

I just mean Harrison Ford like one of those pro cosplay people like that like one of those people that like will do a Superman but like also be jacked one of one of those guys, it still looks weird. Yeah, it definitely does.

The hat never, the hat never is exactly right. And the jacket's never exactly right. The jacket always is like, I find that every time I think the jacket always has too much of an of an undershell. You know what I mean? It's like too puffy.

When you see that costume on someone else, it's when you realize that the real costume is forged. I mean, that's the face. You don't have that face. And I don't even say, and the way it hangs on them. And the Indiana Jones stunt spectacular.

Sometimes I can, spent his belief. You know? You've seen that. Oh, sure. It's really, I still don't even, like the avoiding of the spikes of the floor to me is magical. Yeah.

Still to this day. Yeah. That I mean of stunt work at theme parks, that has to be top. It's been running continuously since 1989. Yeah. I'm sorry, 19. I think that came out a year after the studio opens, like 90. But it hasn't, it's like one, it's the only like original thing left of the park.

Yeah. Wasn't they going to take it down? And they decided not to. No, all they did was they just covered the swastikas. Which is like, I'm like, yeah. Whatever. Why are we doing this guys? I know that that is not ignore.

Let's not ignore. Let's learn a lesson. Yeah. Are they, yeah, and they're refurnishing the ride at Disneyland now, right? Disney is done. Oh, it is? Yeah. And it's back up.

New tricks and a lot of restored effects. Mm-hmm. projections are better, et cetera. I haven't ridden it. Every time I go, the wait's too long. Yeah, I think it's my next to Splash Mountain, my favorite ride at Disney. Bad news. Splash Mountain's closed, you know.

For good? Yeah. Well, it's getting redone. It's going to be Tiana's Bayou Adventure. I heard Splash Mountain that name came from because Michael Eisner and Jeffrey Katzen were big on the movie Splash. Correct. And so they were just looking for any way to get the...

But then that it's bookended with Little Mermaid, those guys really wanted to fuck some fish. A couple of fish fuckers. Yeah, come on guys. I don't doubt it, honestly. There's some weird shit going on. Stop telling on yourselves. During the Disney decade.

Can we take a pee break? Sure. I mean, if you made it. Or you guys can keep talking. We bring up fish effing and this guy's like, hey, yeah. I'm going to go check out my... 12-gallon aquarium. But if you guys...

No, I have to. Okay, we'll be right back. This is just me, guys. Mad and... We're back. We're back. The hat is back. The hat is back.

So, you guys have peed? I haven't. And I feel good about that. I think it's cool. Only one of us doesn't have a drink in front of them. Just saying. Oh, that's true. That's, yeah.

I'm having a lemon chillo, La Croy. there's a there's a deleted scene where assala meets indie and professor jones at the train station oh yeah and i'm like that scene is kind of i kind of need that scene i was wondering how they got from point a point yeah i wonder that too yeah there's also a little the deleted thing i think when the boys pick up indy and take him to donovan

i think there's more of a tussle oh really yes like a fight fighter Which I'm glad they cut out Because you would know immediately The Donovan guy was no good Yep, yeah, yeah You'd have to go back and forth You'd have to go really bad Oh no good

And then stretch that out Until you find out Yeah, it would be too much Yeah There's the deleted scene Where he goes on a little bit Of a tangent journey To get Stalin Mussolini

And Hirohito's Autographs, yeah So you could He just keeps turning corners Yeah And dictators take books from him to sign. He's pacing outside Stalin's hotel. What do you think a pencil guy?

He comes out. He's like, hey, hey, hey, hey, Stalin. A young Fidel Castro. Why do you want these? You'll see. Do you think Pete, the pencil guy, the guy that hands the pencil to Adolf, do you think he's, I think he oversold it? I think he, as far as specific acting goes, I think he was a little. I mean, how do you upstage Hitler? Because he was like, it's not easy.

He also was like, seemed to be, like, annoyed that he, but you're fucking, you're Hitler's pencil boy. Like, why would you be annoyed now? Hitler's pencil boy. I was a Hitler's pencil boy. A play in two acts. I knew it was wrong, but I just held the pencil. There's also, I guess, a little deleted part. I helped answer something for me, which is, um, what he's, um, what he's, you?

He does the little test at the end. You know, when he falls through the, the jay. Yeah. I always thought it was weird when he pulls himself out. He's going, ah, ha, ha, ha. It's like, you just fell through a hole. I don't know why you're brushing stuff off here. And it's because before it was like spiders came out of the hole.

He didn't fall through. It was like you pushed down on it spiders. Yeah, yeah. That's better. What? Wait, well, for one thing, just the like physics construction of this thing. There are sell. Just make one of paper machet.

I know, but these are thin stones that are supported by nothing in the center. No, it's a grid. It's all triangles, the strongest structure known to engineering. Yeah, but you can't have cellular structures like that. It's like a honeycomb. No. Oh, so it's like one of those bean bag pouch games where you throw it on the tic-tac-toe and it spins around. Some of them are.

Give me the spiders. Yeah, because in your mind it's more like it'd be better if it's kind of like. Decapitation. Two spiders. Poisonous Satan spiders. You're right. And they've already done tarantulas? Yeah.

Were they spiders or tarantulas? They were tarantulas. Yeah. And they already did rats. And that's not going to top rats for that brief of a moment. It should have been like lava. Yeah. Quick sand.

Especially since, yeah, until. They got it grounded somewhat in reality. I know he's walking to see a 700-year-old man. But. Well, I was wondering. You know, with all the, each one has a creature. Right. Snakes and are a critter or a gross thing.

And bugs and, uh, uh, ants and, uh, rats in this. Yeah. For these first three, if you had to be the actor in it. Yeah. What would your order of preference be? Uh, I would. Not character, but actor working at that. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. I would assume. I'd go, I'd go rats, snakes, bugs. I think. But I would assume that the snakes would be fake. Not all of them were. And did you read the rats were bred for this movie? Yeah.

Because they didn't want diseased rats. So they had like thousands of rats that were solely bred. My order would be rats, bugs, snakes. One of my jobs in my teen college years was working at a place called Charles River Laboratories that bred rats with various diseases for medical testing. my favorite were the fat diabetic rats they were like the cutest and laziest but like cute little cheeks they'd all be in these like

giant uh incubators like sealed air like you put your arms in to like to handle the feeding and like so on and so forth so rats don't bother me that much so given all the options I would take rats and we all agree rats would be the first thing we're not putting fire ants in this I think I know

we'll wait for fire ants when we get to crystal squall. Okay. Then we'll re-over. Because I think I also, I won't say it, but I think I know what the creature is and the new one. And it. The clap. It's the 60.

It's the way to go. It's just crabs. Summer love. Crabs. I hate these guys. Why did it have to be crabs? Again. Oh, my God.

You think we're talking about the venereal disease. It's just India in a room full of actual crabs secret. Sala, throw down the penicillin. What if there's something like really wild, like midaclorians? Oh. Oh my God. But yeah, rats seem like they'd be easy. But bugs, I could see bugs being like not fun because you don't know where they're going at all times.

But snakes are just like two. They have like fucking no remorse or like. Moral code. Like bugs, you think bugs do? Bugs, I think bugs are just like, I eat a leaf. I stick, put up the stick to build a little home for my other bug friends. We must protect the queen. Yeah, a rat is just, or a snake is just like, I'm hungry.

Don't piss me off. I strike. You didn't even know you, I was what you were walking along. It's just like, Jesus. What about that giant water snake? Oh, yeah. Also like, what world? This circus, why does the circus need?

a thousand snakes in a case like four cases of snakes like what is this? Like a water eel snake? What part of the act is this? Yeah, good question. Yes. Like why would we?

Why? At the grand finale of the circus a tank of snakes. Yeah, but also it's like the reptile. Oh, here, welcome to the reptile tent. I want to see some snakes. Take a snake, leave a snake. Here's 40,000 of them.

Straight from the well of souls. Bill, we've got to do something about these snakes. It's eating up half the budget. But that just made me think the propellers are a big death instrument in this. Right. The birds. Oh, sure. And then with the guy with the what you were talking about, the loud sound of the...

And in Raiders, too, you know, the big German guy gets chopped up by propeller. Yeah. That guy who's in all three movies we've mentioned before. What do you guys think of the fake giraffe heads? Not great. I think it might be the worst. back in the movie. Because it just seems like there's like a guy

that's going. Yeah. Siri. So I pantomimized Siri. God, if you just want to be on the podcast, say so. My God. I think the rhino horn, yeah, is also pretty wonky. Yeah, that whole opening sequence is, I like it and then I don't.

I like the River Phoenix of it all, but the... No! It just gets a little corny, I think, you know? Yeah. Corny, I think, is like... I've silenced it. It's the first time, yeah, corn is a little bit in these movies because it's like the first one is just all action. The second one is like crazy.

Yeah. This one's just a little soft. I love the gang, though. You got like the one guy that seems like he's a, he is a Native American, you know, who is. Oh, I love that game. The very white guy with a wig on. It looks like he's a fucking newsy. I can't stand that kid.

So, woo. Woo. Woo. We have. Ooh. on Tigger. It's so the cover of like a hearty boys. Oh my God.

That's great. I love it. I love it. It's spectacularly, the characterization of all three of them. It's like, and you got the, the dorky guy.

Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dorky have the glass. And then you have the cool Indiana Jones type who leads them.

Yeah. Like the gang of idiots. And then the guy they're working for us too, that like cool guy, that little Panama Jack sort of do. Do you know what's funny is like, I think honestly today,

not yesterday, last night was the first, time I noticed that it's the same guy. Oh, really? Yes. It's crazy. He knows who India is, though. He's like, this is the second time I've had to take this back from you.

You recognized him from, it's like, also like, 30 years ago? What are you doing with the cross? Why did you have it on your boat? Like, did he need that? And like he kept it on him at all times? I feel like I used to know the answer to this because I, you know, at the time of this movie read the novelization for this movie. That's when I told you that in that novelization,

Indy has a tingle on the back of his neck when he senses danger, like a spidey sense. It makes sense. I'm okay with that. Yeah. Any other things in the book? Not that I can't remember anything else. I read it in 89, probably, or 90. I mean, his inherent superpower should be enough.

I think that's pretty spectacular. I think we talked previously, you know, how this has the funniest cut of the, like with Brody. Oh, yeah. You know, if anything, he's already found the grail and then because of, so. He's got a two-day head start. He speaks 12 languages. He'll blend in. And he's so funny.

And I love that that. Does anyone speak English? He's got a chicken feather on his cheek. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, man. He meets up with Sala, that's cool too because it's like, hey, these guys never even bent before. The old gang is

coming together. Father of Indy. I love what he calls him. Father of Indy. When we watched Raiders and it's cool though, Brody, Marcus Brody, right? Has kind of more of a paternal side. And yeah, pretty

serious. Straight. Yeah, it seems like they had to make him a little bit more of a clown in this one because if he was paternal and in scenes with Sean Connery. Yeah. Hey, dude, I'm the real dad here. But I like the, I like the background that they're friends that.

Yeah. Yeah. And Brody are friends. I think Brody's the kind of stealth MVP of this movie. He's so funny. Yeah. Well, in a movie where you're having to like bring a lot of different things together. Yeah.

Which if you think, you know, the first two are way more propulsive because it's one thing and everybody's after the thing. And this is sort of like at points they're trying to get the dad. And then at another point, points are trying to find where Brody is and get Brody. Like the, yeah, it's hard for me to sometimes, but I guess it's what you were saying. It's like the metaphor of like, it's not the grail, you know. I swear to God, I'm going to kill Siri.

Fucking kill her. Siri's actually the person who's replaced that guy in the little whole room at the end there, the night. Syria, there, Mitha. Yeah, that'd be cool if they replaced it with just some sort of, like, weird, like, AI, all note, like the guy in the white room and matrix. I would like some sort of steampunk robot. I like an iPad on wheels, like they have it some Johnny Rockets now or rubies, whatever it is, that comes up to, like. Self checkout. Yeah, yeah.

Welcome to the Holy Grail Showroom. Powered by Square. Please tip. I'm just buying merchandise. Why am I tipping? Oh, and you mentioned that motorcycle chase being extra shoots. If people want to check it out on YouTube, there is, it's pretty rare that Spielberg lets people on set for making of stuff to actually see how he does it. But I'm, it's like European and Japanese making of crews get more access.

And I think it's partly why people do commercials or endorsements. It's like, well, people in America won't see this. So it's not spoiling something. But now on YouTube, these things come over. There's a really amazing, like, 10-minute thing of just seeing how Spielberg sets up everything for the... Oh, really?

When the guys get knocked off the motorcycle and land together and stuff, you see him setting that up. But people should check that out. There's also that crazy... There's a Japanese documentary where a guy talks to Stanley Kubrick asked him what the end of 2001 is on the phone.

Stanley Kubrick just says it. He just lays it out. What does he say? You guys want to know? Yeah. He's like... oh, that guy at the end when he goes to the white room, the idea is like, it's a zoo. And it's an exhibit where you would take an animal and put it in a jungle,

but you would kind of take all these different things from the jungle for one room. So that's why it's got like art and a beautiful furniture, but it might not all fit together timewise. And he's basically coming in and seeing his zoo exhibit self at the end. Oh, shit. Yeah. Wow. that room's pretty cool

that was at the exhibit yeah yeah that'd be a cool little like hotel oh yeah you get to stay in the also the space station if you could go stay there

Disney should redo the Star Wars Hotel they're closing it they're already closing it I know why would it because they priced it too high and they weren't selling enough and the overhead is too high

because they had so many actors they're paying actors to work 48 hours ships essentially. Like, do you think they go home and sleep? I don't, I have no idea. Like, I really do wonder about that. Like, do the cast members of the Galactic StarCruz or go home to sleep and then drive back in and then get in the costume?

No idea. On that reshoot, though, it's interesting because that was a reshoot, they did it in Northern California. And I feel like you can immediately tell the topography is the oak trees of California and stuff, you know, barely green enough to seem like Germany. Skywalker Ranch. I know. It's a magical place. Also didn't know that Tom Stopperd seems to have been responsible for most of the dialogue in this movie.

He did an uncredited rewrite and Spielberg said that pretty much all the dialogue is his. And it's such snappy dialogue. That's why I'm kind of bummed that the little exchange between Elsa and Indy isn't more deftly handled because it's so classic like Golden Age of Cinema, romantic comedy dialogue. I would love to see two people really believably giving that. You know, like how Bond and Vesper do their first scene in the train is so good. The best line of dialogue, I think, in the entire film is, I'm sorry, son, they got us. Yeah.

I've talked about that. I still laughed. I laugh. So funny. So funny. Every time. The delivery of that is amazing. Yeah, I would say this, the first and third.

Yeah, the dialogue and writing. It was like way better. I mean, the Temple of Doom, I think, is the thing that's most lacking. Temple of Doom still feels like an admiration to me. It still feels like this weird other. Even with just of the original three. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Although if you took it out and you had just Raiders and Last Crusade, I think you would really feel the distance between those two because one is so, like, I wouldn't say grounded, but I don't know, cohesive where this one just feels so, distinctly a romp, a lighthearted romp, it's missing some of the stakes It's a little like the Jedi thing though,

you know, I'm not the first person to make the comparison, that it's like, oh, you bring back the Death Star, bring back the Nazis. It's what Goldfinger did too, like just lock all the things down and give me the best hits, basically. And, you know, Jedi people

will make the claim of like, oh, it's a forest, it's not Cloud City. A forest is like something we have on Earth. The Cloud City is a little more imaginative. With this, like the fact that the opening setpiece and the last set piece are kind of in similar geographic terrains. They're both kind of like rocky desert mountain canyon areas. I wish there was some other look in this. You know what I mean? Like some action sequence had some

sort of, I guess the airplane stuff. I love that it's the first outside of when the raft goes down. Spielberg's like flying sequences are always amazing. So the fact that you get a real deal flying stunt show and this is very cool. It's just all warm climate in this basically. The guy that was the airplane mechanic that got in the fist fight with Indy and Raiders. And then he was one of the guards in Temple of Doom. He was also in this. Yeah.

In the blimp, but they cut the scene out. He's not in the blimp. He's down there with Vogel running towards the blimp. No, they shot a whole scene where he's in the blimp. You see him there though in this. He also gets in another plane to chase Indy and his father.

But they don't start the engines of the plane and they just fall. They shot that. So that's the Boba Fett death, Richard of the devil. Jesus. I love when Vogel turns around and sees that it's Indy in the

like waiter suit and that double take he gives where his face just you see it register his whole face changes expression oh my favorite moment i think of uh just like quiet moment is the um and then they repeat it in crystal skull on a really cute way but like when um indy is happy about how he did it then he looks to his dad and his dad's like tis tis yeah they do that later then again with indian mutt yeah mutt does like a cocky like i don't know he think about that and then he gives it tis-diss. I wonder if they do a cocky-tis-tisk in the new one. If they do, I'll scream out cocky-tis-tis-tis.

Woo, cocky-tis-tis-tis! What if the whole crowd? What if the whole crowd? The Ark of the Covenant? On the painting of the Ark of the Covenant, do you think anyone's like? Yeah! I remember that seeing this in the theater, and I remember that getting a reaction. I also have a visceral memory of the credits coming up,

and it's the original Raiders font, not the indie font. and sitting there in that theater really flashed back on me this time in Utah and going like I remember being there as a 16 year old going I'm watching indie right now you know it's May 24th

and oh this is gonna be awesome guys yeah we gotta buy tickets maybe we should do that today before we go so is this that's good so is that what can we briefly just talk about

so it's premiered at or it screened at can Cannes with two ends and Ian and S. Cam. It premiered there to polite standing ovation. But we should say

every movie at Cannes gets a standing ovation and this got a five minute standing ovation which sounds amazing but that's actually on the bad side of things. Notably light. And the reviews have not been great. Yeah and I thought about it slightly in terms of

are people so worried about now. This is the only hope I can give it. That maybe it's good. Is like people, critics have learned, ooh, it's tough to have those phantom menace glowing reviews still up

or even the Crystal Skull, like Indies back reviews. Interesting. Are people just now a little bit more like, I don't want to hang on my face. And I got to, like, I might have just seen the indie movie, was jazzed about it.

I'm going to try to have the scales fall from my eyes before I write the review. And so it's maybe now. I don't think that's true. I think it's probably the reviews are like indicating that the true response to the movie. But that's the one way I'm trying to like move. Also, I don't give a shit about Rotten Tomato stuff.

Like I'll see any movie regardless of like. Yeah, but the idea of like a lot of like the things I had read were a lot of it was like discussing the direction of the action scenes. Oh, right. really? How mangled isn't as adept as Steven Spielberg and I'm like, no shit. Yeah, who is, right.

James Mangled. More the, I think just the tempted humor was maybe a little bit much or something. But this movie is going to have to work pretty hard to disappoint me. I don't have a lot of expectations after the last movie. I'm at a point in my life,

like this is how I was with Spector and No Time to Die of just this is gravy. The original three exist. It's going to take away from them. I almost don't even care if it's bad. I'm getting a fix and a hit of Indiana Jones. He's 80 years old, playing a 70 year old.

Fucking give it to me. I don't care. Like I'm, I am here to enjoy this movie. What more could you ask for? Nobody's entitled to get this damn thing. He's 80 playing 70. Yeah. That's fascinating.

Yeah. So does that mean he's always been 10 years younger than what he was playing? Because he's, what, 46? or 45 when he made Last Crusade. Which feels right. Yeah. It's funny because, yeah, they tried to call that out with the so do you. This thing belongs in a museum.

So do you. It's like a... So do you. Their first hint to... Explosion. So he was... When did Crystal Skull come out? What year?

2008. So that was 15 years ago? Mm-hmm. So he was 60. But there was a longer stretch between. crusade and Crystal Skull to this. He was 65. So he was, what was he playing?

He was 65. That's crazy to think back then. Everybody was like, whoa, I don't know. If he would have told them then, give it 15 years. He's going to do it again. When he's 95 and playing Indiana Jones, we'll be like, God, remember how young he looked when he was in Dial of Destiny? And I would say there's probably a 15% chance of that.

Did you notice how, I was watching it and when River Phoenix runs into Sean Connery or the hand that is Sean Connery I was like oh this movie was made now they would have de-aged Sean Connery and put him at the desk. Of course.

Fucking awful. Thank God. To that point it's some of the best Photoshop photo. When he looks at the photo of young Sean Connery with his son I was like finally somebody's got there.

head screwed on straight. That doesn't look like shit. Yeah. But the, well, and then guys, as bond fans, that's why we're,

you know, this is an offshoot of James Bonding. And in the, you know, clearly they cast him. It's a little, you're right? But also Connery's like,

coming off untouchable. He's got an Oscar. This is a huge. He's back. It's the connoissance. Andy got nominated for a Golden Globe for this one. Now,

this was, I think, my first, like, intro of Sean Connery. So I'm like a kid who goes to like Hollywood,

homicide for Josh Hartnett and he was like, who's this Harrison Ford? Sure. Sure. I went to firewall for Paul Bettney. But when you guys saw this, you were like, I've seen Sean Connery as James Bond. Oh, for sure. And untouchables and the Presidio. But like, I mean, Bob Rochelle classic.

Looking at it like. Oh, we got to talk about that, by the way. Were you looking at it like it was Indian it? Like when I watched The Rock and I assume it's James Bond. Sean Connery's character is James Bond. And I watch The Rock like, there's no me assuming this is like a James Bond. No, no. Yeah.

No, but I'm aware of the actor. I was very aware of who Sean Conner was, even movies like Outland and things like that. And they're playing again, I mean, the joke of him being like, oh my gosh, I don't know what to do is, I guess, a joke of like, oh, James Bond is always the guy in control. So it's funny that he's got his funny little hat and glasses with this. Apparently, there's a lot of Connery trying to get the script. a little, like to make Henry Jones senior a little more bumbling.

Yeah. He was happy to do the comedy. That's why he was on board with this. That's awesome. The story of that he improvised the lines of she talks in her sleeve. Yes, he did.

Is that true? That's what Brantley said in the notes and I have no reason to doubt him. Because then later when she goes... Yeah, they would have had to have adapted. When she goes like, kisses him and he's like,

I like the other kiss better. Does he mean it is in, yeah, I liked it because that one at least didn't involve my head getting hit with the, this is how he's,

I think that's how that joke plays. Yeah. I know because I also enjoy being kissed. But it does now have it because he improvised that line. You're right, because she does say, I can't stop, I can't help remembering how great it was.

And he goes, yes, it was. Yeah. So they definitely, if that was improvised, they would have had to adapt it that later. Thank you. If I was Alice in duty and I was on set, and Chuck Connery goes, she talks at her sleep,

whole crew starts up laughing. If I was Allison duty, I'd be like, okay. You think? I would just kind of be like, God, Sean Connery really can't, like he's got to fuck everything. I will say this. I will say this. I remember. distinctly my mom

we were watching this movie the time it was out and she's like I get it they're both very sexy men Of course, of course I mean they're the like sexiest guys of their little generations Yeah

But the 12 years apart Yes that's right Yeah I know that's And given Indies 10 years younger Yeah I mean 22 years right there

You texted me the other day Just a quick Bob Rochelle update you were golfing with a stuntman that knew him. Yeah. Whoa. I was golfing with one of our stand-ins from Goldberg's, Tommy, who I knew because I was first made aware of this. I think like season four I saw him on set with a Conan the Barbarian stunt show jacket. And I was like, whoa, Tommy, what's going?

I knew he was, I knew he was a stunt man. But I didn't realize the extent. of his tenure at Universal Studios in Hollywood. He was in Conan, Miami Vice, Terminator 2, 3D, and Waterworld. He was always Crockett in Miami Vice. He was talking about, like, changing outfits super quick, throwing the sunglasses on and hopping in the boat to drive out and do Miami Vice when he had just done like the Wild West on show or something.

Awesome. It was, he's, he's got fascinating stories. And he knew Bob Rochelle and what did he tell me everything. Well, he knew. He goes, I go, as this is yesterday, I texted Matt that I was golfing with Tommy.

And so the listener knows this is, we talk about this on the other podcast, but Bob Rochelle was a stuntman that I'm obsessed with because he made me understand what comedy could be. Yes. Yeah. So he's a hilarious performer. He makes me crack up big time.

So, and he's in the Presidio. That's why I were bringing this up. I texted, man, I told him I was with Tommy and he's like, do you know Bob Rochelle? And I go, I just turned to Tommy. I go, did you know Bob Rochelle? He goes, oh, fuck yeah. Yeah. This was my response to Matt really quickly.

Having drinks at the smokehouse with Bob Rochelle. What? Tell me everything. What kind of man was he? Was he nice? And I did. And then he didn't text back and then I was, well? I was like still golfing and like had no signal over.

And then I say, And also, how did he die? Yes. Did you get either of the answers? Well, Tommy couldn't remember. He remember the Moralcers, but he doesn't remember how Bob Bershild died. So he was going to talk to some other stunt folk friends of his and find out. And I came away learning that no one ever said a bad word about.

Isn't that wonderful? That made me so happy. Yeah. Yeah. I think as long as a stuntman doesn't, like, kill another man in the line of work, as long as it's off the clock. Good man. Yeah.

Yeah, probably because it didn't kill me. Why is he doing everything safe? Sheedy husband and father, but good stuntman. Well, any other thoughts about this last? Oh, Mad Magazine called it Indiana Jones on the last crude days. Jesus. Oh, that's great. Do you remember the other?

No, I don't. Let's imagine what they are. What's Raiders of the Lost Dark would be? Raiders of the Lost Bart. Yeah, Raiders of Lost Barf. Oh, yeah, yeah. Probably bars. They were more in the bar.

That's too. Temple of Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom. The rumple of poop. I'm looking at them. Temple of droop. Drup. Druel. Temple of drool.

You're probably right. Yeah. Drewl is a very funny. I've said this before, I think, in life. I don't think I've ever said it on the James Bonding Indiana Jonesing podcast. But Mad Magazine has my favorite type of set up punchoid jokes

that exist. It's like person A. I went and did aerobics today and I really broke out in a sweat. Person B. From all the strenuous exercise?

Person A no from seeing all those girls in spandex. But the like, di, de, de, de, de, de, de, de, de, de, de, de, de, de, de, de, de, de, de, de, in the question. No, no, no. Yeah. A silly thing.

Oh, God. I just wish Tom Stopper, eat your heart out if you could fucking write like that. So, Temple of Doom. In Banana Jones, and the Temple of Goons. Oh, that's good. That actually sounds familiar to me.

That's like, that's a little, I think that's a little. It's like a little weak, honestly. And I'm going to find Raiders here. While you're looking that up, I do remember this final shot where they literally write off into the sunset being in the theater having a real sense of melancholy that this was the last all ever see of Indiana Jones because there was no young Indiana Jones at this point.

Yeah. You know a movie is so good when it starts wrapping up and you're like bummed out. And when they start like going, hey, let's go. And he goes, we named the dog Indiana. And I realize, oh, it's wrapping up. It bums me out. And this is also the time where there's, there's no more Star Wars coming either.

It's over, you know, there was always the, the rumor or the hope, but there was never, it never seemed like it was actually going to happen. So this was sad. End of an era.

And also George Lucas is on this run that people would probably be like, oh, this dude's lost it. He hasn't directed a movie in 12 years. It's all Howard the Duck and Tucker and Willow. Like, you'd be going to this movie,

I think, much more as a, oh, Stevens for Sheilberg movie. George Lucas is probably, it's a bit of a... I can't believe they made that Willow series on Disney Plus. I didn't watch it. Like, I didn't watch it either. I was just upset that it was in about the brownies. But like, it's like, what?

I just wondered it centered on the brownies. Oh, the whole. Who were those guys? Kevin Pollock and Rick. What's it? I had him on I was there too. Because he's in Beverly Hills Cop. What's his name? Oh, God. He was a real blow. Oh, hard.

He's awesome. I love that guy. He's in a, the informant that Matt Damon movie is like really funny. Oh, God. He's an amazing comedian. Yes, Stan.

Isn't it Rick? Something? I don't know. But I'm saying, I don't know him personally. I can't believe they made a willow. Like, I can't believe they were like

our viable. Do you know they're doing a Tucker a man in his dream limited series for Disney Plus? It's going to be amazing. A revival franchise is Willow. the one people are longing for? It's like, no, no one cared.

But, okay, Raiders was called Raiders of a lost art. Oh, I said art. You did. You did indeed. But I thought that was too. It's a little weak. Highfalutin. Yeah. Art. Well, we finished the original trilogy.

We sure did. Two more to go, guys. I know, is that crazy that this is the tent pole now, the last crusade? You think that last shot, them riding off on the sunset. but that's actually a big old stick in the center of the tent. I know. It's just the hump movie.

It's the Wednesday. I encourage our listeners to look up David Ehrlich's review of Kingdom of the Crystal Skull because I really find it offers a unique perspective on that movie. And I think it helps the movie if you read that. I also heard Crystal Skull now in Disney Plus has the color stuff. It looks different. The thing you didn't like the saturation levels and stuff. that's been changed, I guess.

Oh, really? In the 4K setups. So you might also like that. Oh, because I own that movie and I thought I'd just watch that, but maybe I'll watch the Disney Plus version. Yeah, do you own the 4K? The HD, what is that? I just have the streaming one I bought, but I might have the Blu-ray, actually.

I know I have the Blue Ways of the original, but I never find myself wanting to go through the energy of putting a disc in a player, so I always opt for the streamer. I know, isn't that horrible? What kind of synod file? If I can't find a Blu-ray in the span of 20 seconds, I purchase it on Amazon. I'm like, I can't be bothered. I'm going to just purchase the streaming version right now. And, you know, 4KL.

Plus you get that X-ray. Oh, man. I love it. I want to know. I want to know. See, tell me everything, Amazon. All right. Can I buy these products on your website, Amazon?

I know. I know. The Grail Diary. So regarding this movie and how many... Oh, yeah. What my writing is out of our famous 007 scale. Yeah. This is a 007 out of seven for me.

Loving that. Do you remember what we gave the others? I mean, Raiders was for sure. No, but go with your heart. What do we think we gave... What do we give Temple of Doom? I'm not... I've not been writing these down like I normally do.

Well, I'll just have to go off my gut. I'm going to give this a six out of seven. So average would be 3.5. I'd say 6 out of 7. Okay. Okay. So it's like a... You're both wrong.

It's cool. Now, do you wish Sean Connery could have popped back? I wish I do wish Sean Connery was in Crystal Skull. Clearly. He's supposed to be in the wedding scene, I think, at the very end. Oh, really? I thought for sure the Oxley part was written at least hope with the hope of him playing it. He almost was going to do it.

really yeah like that was the one thing he was going to come out of retirement for yeah the oxley mac all of those variations that they could read frank deribons me that's funny i thought it was supposed to be more ravenwood it's marian's dad who is oxley and they changed it have we talked about that the way they should spin this series off is not indeed they should do a ravenwood series young abner ravenwood or like you know 30s abner ravenwood maybe with those Teenage daughter. That'd be cool. Yeah.

Father, daughter kind of adventure series. Absolutely. I also saw a Reddit poll that was amazing. People picking Marriott's best outfit and Raiders. I voted. Turned out it was the number one for all indie fans. Can you guess?

I would vote the red pants like Cairo Streets. Yeah. That's it, guys. That Cairo Street outfit is awesome. The exact copy of which is in the Indiana Jones Town Spectacular. Brantley, if you're listening, If there's any way to get to the bottom of, was Connery going to be in that movie and who was he going to play?

And was it Ravenwood? Was it Henry Jones, senior that was Oxley? Or was he just at the wedding? I bet it was hoped that he would play one of the bigger parts. But then if they were going to get him at all, it would be just a cameo at the wedding. But that also was interesting that they were,

you know, originally thinking of him for Skyfall. Yeah. As, what's his name? Cade. Kincaid. Yeah. Yeah.

That Albert Finney played. Yeah. Yeah, his big His big victory lap was I guess He was a big extraordinary gentleman Was supposed to be his last Was that?

Was that his last? I think it's Sean Connery's last movie, right? Or last action, genre movie. No, I think it was his last acting. Was it? Not like you're the man now, dog? No, that was right before. You're the dog now, man.

That's what he said. That's the island of Dr. Moreau. And he hated the director. You're the dog now, man. He hated the director of League of Extraordinary gentlemen. Yes. God damn it. I wouldn't want to be a guy who's on Sean Connery's last movie,

Sheffron, No Fools. Okay, let's see. His last... Oh, Darby in the Little people. He did a CG. Yeah, his last film was Sir Billy, and he played Sir Billy as a voice in 2012. But his last...

And then he did from Rush Will Love that game in 2005. Freedom, a history of U.S. He played John Muir. That looks like maybe a documentary. But yeah, League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, 2003. That's crazy that he lived. What year did he die? 2020?

So 17 years, he never did a film. And he was just up there watching tennis living in a castle. I think that's how true stars do it, man. Every year of Wimbledon. It was just exciting to see. I think also, you know, the Alpich. Oh, he would show up. there that's so cool oh that's awesome you know and robert de nero and alpuccino are getting ladies still

pregnant having to pay off child support and alimony's think about it those guys i know that is that right yeah those guys are going to be on their deathbed with like a camera going like okay uh you're um thanos's grandpa alpuccino action and they'll do some de-aging thing on it Sean Connery being like Guys, you know what? I'm good. Yeah. I'm gonna just spend the last 12 years watching tennis. I was reading.

I read Heat 2. And, you know, it sounds like they're gearing up to maybe make a movie of that with Adam Driver, possibly as young De Niro. Oh my God. When you said Heat 2, I thought you said, he too. Like, it's a new. That's a Me Too movement. Hashtag he too.

Like some men's rights thing. That's so gross. De Niro Pacino. coming out against cancel culture. Are you taking the red pill? Yeah, but like, if you've read that book, it takes place before heat and after heat. Austin Butler's rumored to be playing Val Kilmer

and Adam Driver De Niro. Whoa. And then who's Pacino? Whoha. I don't know because also it takes place present day, too. Yeah, so this would be all of the, late 70s, early 80s? It's early 80s.

And then there's a bit that takes place right after the heat movie story. And then current day. So that would need Val Kilmer because Chris Shihirless, that role, his role is prominent in this book. But, you know, Val Kilmer isn't really in fighting shape. Oh, right. Sadly. But would they use him and then just use like AI voice on him or something? That would be.

But imagine you get Pacino and Val Kilmer current day. Those are two of the loosest canons you can possibly put on a movie since Brando died. Yeah. I mean, Whoah? Huh. Hey, you're going to be using that voice of yours? Does she got a great ass?

Give me all you got. Give me all you got. Bing, bang, bong. Ding, ding, ding, dung. Ha, that's ha. I like it. He goes, he's like,

sorry, I'm not concerned about fucking chicken dinner. When he comes back, sorry, I just saw somebody murdered. I'm not concerned about the fucking chicken. Do you mind if I improvise and carry this television set around for a while?

You know, that was improvised. He walked up on to set that day holding a TV refused to drop it so they had to figure out a way to it. I found it on the curb. It's good. I put it on my trailer. I put on my trailer. Some teams just got to take it. Just needs to wipe off. It's good. All right, everybody.

Well, that was fun, guys. I can't believe it. We'll see you sooner than later, I think, this time for Crystal Skull, because we got to get that in because Dalla did us. is creeping up on us. It's the sixth when we record this. This comes out the 30th, though. I just saw that the LA premiere is the 14th. What do we know about getting any tickets to that thing?

Anybody out there, listen? You're the one who just was with Harrison Ford. Yeah. I can't say why or how, but we'll talk about it next time. All we can't say is it was fabulous. Two boys now. Both of you got to meet Harrison Ford. I haven't even got to hear a whisper, get a smell from him.

Yeah, you're next. Paul Shear has a good story where he saw Empire Strikes Back and behind Harrison Ford at a re-screening. And when he said, she says, I love you. And he said, I know Harrison Ford laughed. It's fantastic. It's probably didn't remember it. Oh, look, Siri's back to close us out. Sure, Siri.

Bye, Siri. Bye, everybody. Thank you.