James Bonding - INDIANA JONESING: RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK

Episode Date: March 1, 2023

James Bonding presents: Indiana Jonesing! The time has come... Matt Mira, Matt Gourley, and Paul Rust discuss the blockbuster that started it all, Raiders of the Lost Ark. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Matt and Matt and James Bonding Podcast. Myra Gorely, Gorely, Mara. James Bonding podcast, it's the James Bonding podcast. It's the James Bonding podcast. Adventure has a name, and it's Indiana Jones. Spumper, Dumas. Scoopied out. Matt and Matt are here with Paul. Indiana.

Oh, wow. I'm Matt Gourley. I'm Matt Myro. I'm Paul Ross. Oh my gosh. And this is Indiana Jonesing. Man, how long has this been promised to, and I'm not exaggerating here, the world. 2017. I looked it up. Wow. Yeah. Okay. I was like, when, when did we talk about this? This is, as far as I'm concerned, the punchline to our setup in 2017. The show is now Indiana Jonesing. Paul's here. Yeah. We're going to talk into it. Oh, boy. My heart hasn't raised like this since I've gone to the depths of Pancac Palace.

I hope that is one of, let's say, 83 of those, and I'm not even joking. Let's count. Okay. Terrible. How many film franchises are there that are named after a person that you can also turn into a gerund that fits the name of a podcast like James Bonding, Indiana Jonesing, what, Jack Reaching? I mean, it is reaching to do a podcast

about Jack Reaching. That's for sure. It's reaching to think you're going to have any listeners. Oh, well, as long as we're talking about James Bonding, let me must say, from my point of you guys, I am a massive James Bonding fan. It's how I fell in love with both of you as podcasters. And then I went, and you know, as you do, you fall in love with the musicians work.

So you go and you seek out their other album. So I did that too. So it got me into your other shit. And then you found your way into the band. Yeah. Yeah. Somehow, I showed up at rehearsal one time with holding a key tar. We need a key tar on this.

Hey, can I plug in? Do some podcasts, dude. Why do you have a key tar? You're in. So the rest of the podcast will be playing a key tar. This is, uh, it's, it's, it's really nice to finally. I was, I looked at a calendar. When did I say this to you in December?

Yeah, we were talking because you and I were getting the, James Bonding archives back for our own now that that they're out free. Enjoy all the entire library of James Bonding everyone. Oh, it's the best. Yeah. But I, yeah, I had the new, I had just seen the trailer for Dial of Destiny. Yeah. And I was like, oh, I don't know about this.

But I'm excited. Yeah. How are we going to do this in time for that movie? I was like, if we start in February, we're good. Once a month. Once a month, we talk about each movie. We go see Dial of Destiny and we talk about it. I think we've even got a month buffer if you think about it because February, March, April, May, but it actually comes out June 30th.

So that's really July because we probably won't be able to record. The Young Indiana Jones the entire series. Just do our recap. Yeah. And we do the entire Young and Indiana Jones Chronicles. Oh my God. And all they like choose your own adventure books. And the video games.

It's going to be great. Wow. Trading cards. So when do we want this to come? come out. We don't even know. I mean, I feel like it comes out. Right now, it's being live cast. Yeah. Oh, boy.

No, there's a live audience outside. Oh, that's... Wow. That's about right. They're watching on closed circuit television. They're pumped. They're pumped. Rusty, save it for the Temple of Doom episode. Dipping into the Doom references. Bad when we're here for Raiders.

It feels like, Paul, you're... You're a doomhead. I'm a bit of a doomhead. I'm a bit of a doomhead. You too, huh? Yeah. I mean, which is not to say I'm not a Raiders face.

You're looking at a long time crusader. Yeah. I love it. I love that about you. I had to get there. I was like, this is fine. Wait a man.

Let's get this. Are you Doom over Raiders? Are you Raiders over Doom, Paul? I am a doom head, but let it be known. I am a Raiders. A rampant raider. Yeah, me too. Me too.

I think quality-wise, like, top to bottom, Raiders is the high water mark. It's unassailable even just as a movie outside of the franchise. It's like Casino Royale to me. It's a perfect film. Should we talk about how the three boys saw it together? That's right. Take us through. With all's in-laws.

That's right. If an adventure has a name, it's Mr. and Mrs. Arfin. Tell us what you mean. Well, no. So you came across that there was going to be a screening of Raiders of Lost Ark. This really feels like our dial of destiny. That's right.

True. I mean, suddenly Glendale's showing this at like Sunday night for $6? Look, Cinema, Glendale, $6 Sunday night. It's one of the lie-down theaters where you can just get a full buffet. It's welcomed and okay if people are a little ram bung... Like when that's permissible, then I'm open for it.

It's just when there's unclear guidelines about whether people should shut the fuck up or not, you know what I mean? So I loved the vibe there. And so also, as I found out, no trailers. Right.

So if you... I like that. If I didn't know, five minutes late, sorry, guys. I think you know that we... I didn't even need to see this movie again. Truth be told. This is probably one of the movies

I've seen the most in my life. in, well, I want to ask what you saw in theaters but before. Yeah. So you got the tickets. We came. We converged in the Armenian capital of the world,

Glendale, California. I love it. It's a shopping destination as well as a destination for entertainment. It was dubbed in Armenian. It was wild. It was wild. It was a really kind of perfect evening with a perfect movie.

Yeah. Like, getting to watch it with the three of you and hear us laugh at certain parts or enjoy certain parts together was really fun. And then also, people around us, just getting people, hearing people react to Raiders. That's always interesting when you haven't seen a movie in a theater for a long time. You sort of forget, like, what tickled everybody and what was funny. Yeah. You know, sometimes you've watched parts so many times that you no longer really have a reaction to it. Yeah.

But then someone starts laughing. You're like, oh, that is hilarious. Like my man, my man, Myra over here laughed at that guy leaving the apple on the, uh, Indies. We'll get to that because you pointed out something I've never caught before. So remember that. I will. I will.

I didn't catch it until that screening. Yeah, there were a couple things because I haven't seen this on the big screen since. Well, so this came out in 81, right? Yes. Yeah. 81. Did you say it again? 19.

31. Siri, are you on this podcast or what? Start listening. Oh my God. We haven't even introduced Siri. So rude. And then take a breather. Yes, it may or June 81 it came out.

I think it was May, right? Because they always come out a Memorial Day weekend, which I know because my birthday is that weekend. And so it's such a treat. But this movie stayed in theaters forever. And then they would re-release it every year or so. So whatever the last. run of re-release is probably the last time I saw it on big screen. It was such a pleasure to see it. I think I only saw it on big screen once in college, our local Bijou Theater on campus that would show

the art house movie mainly and independent stuff. Occasionally they would get a print of a movie like Raiders Lost Ark and we all went and yeah, it was like faded. It was pretty like bleached out it's stuff. Oh, wow. So the real 35. Yeah, it did. You said it played for a while. I think this had played for a while. I should say, I saw it first run in the theater, but it was the rare movie, and I think I've mentioned this before, where I wasn't the one saying, mom, I got to see this movie. My dad saw it and said, you've got to see this movie. My two best friends, Christy and Kelly Grinagar, Jehovah's Witnesses who don't get out and do anything were telling me about this movie with this man in a hat.

and then you go in and you you just know it's a guy in a hat and people are jazzed about it and then you get to have that experience did you go to a bunch of different movies where hats were there and you're like, but I was like,

wait, no one told me this is Han Solo, first of all, that's a huge, like burying me. It blew me away. The movie blew me away. Yeah,

to not know about it. And then, yeah, it still has the power to blow you away when I saw all of us together and saw that print the sound. What was your experience, Matt? It was, well, seeing Raiders, the first time I saw Raiders was on a rented VHS.

Temple of Doom was also a rental. Last Crusade was a drive-in theater. Oh, that's why you're big on it. And one of the reasons, I'm sure. Yeah. In that order. Or had you... In order, yes. I was fortunate to see it in order. I have older sisters who were way in terrorist board, so... Yeah, I get it. I guess I was, too. You have an older sister who's in a Harrison Ford? No, she wasn't, she didn't share any of this.

She was big on, like at this point it was like Breakfast Club, Pretty and Pink. Those were her movies. In fact, I remember a night where I wanted to go see Return of the Jedi. She wanted to go see the... Fire Fox. The night the lights went out in Georgia and my mom wanted to see under the rainbow. And I was like, all of those movies have Star Wars people in them. Mark Hamel, Carrie Fisher.

So why not just go see Star Wars and get them all? Yeah. I had two older sisters. The oldest was the one who was into Indiana Jones and Star Wars and liked Han Solo and that thought Harrison Ford was cool. My middle sister wasn't necessarily against those. She enjoyed Washington too. And the old but was into the John Hughes movies.

But my oldest sister was also into the John Hughes movies. So it was just basically a mix of mostly sleepover, girl sleepover movies that were really fun to watch. But then occasionally everybody would get on board about it. You saw it at a crusade at a drive-in. Yes. It was 89, which was quite a summer for films. We've talked about it. I believe that was a sequel city.

That was a last crusade. And I think after last crusade, it was like Batman was playing. Batman, Ghostbusters 2, lethal weapon 2, license to kill. Karate Kid 3, I believe. Huge. Huge if true. A lot of, they were trying to close out that decade with Friday 13th, Part 8. And like, we're all complaining.

Halloween 5. We all complain now. Nightly around Home Street 5. Turns out, 89 was the real year of the sequel. Yes. How could, how much would you love to just go back to that summer? And even if you're a current age, and you get to just live in this summer for three months

and do whatever you want all day long but knowing these movies are going to come out and they're erased from your memory other than you know you want to see them and you get to see them out for the first time. Summer of 89 and when I broke my collarbone, no thank you. Oh shit. I don't want to leave.

What's the age separation of your sisters, man? My oldest sister is 12 years older than me and then seven years. So they were like real, you know, teen, 20s when I was of age. So they're kind of like closer to my age. Yeah. I remember you saying that they were like Anglo files too, so they got you into James.

James Bond. Beatles. Somehow the monkeys also fell into it. Sure. That makes sense. Monty Python. They really filled me with things. A lot of animals.

Beatles, pythons, monkeys? I know. What is this? A music collection or a God, Gantzoo. A couple of Duran's, you know. One or two. This is a cage of Durantz. There's two, as you can see.

And, yeah, no, they really, they did have a, have a greater influence on my, but then that's all, you know, they're old. So they're like, we're in control of what. Fair of way. Yes, 74, 1974, is my oldest sister. 1977 is my middle sister. The Raiders was, came out a month after. I was born. So it's,

we're in lockstep. I mean, in many ways, I am the tote of my life. How do you, how so? Oh,

you know, my little lie. I'm always picking up hot things. Dropping them, clearly. I spilled my coffee before we started

recording. You're also not getting your name until an action figure comes out. I also offered you coffee

And he went, thank you. We are not thirsty. Sometimes people think Dennis Buren is me. Oh, yeah. It's actually he's just a different guy. This explains how you aggressively hang your coat every time. Yeah. Threateningly. Yeah.

Well, that's good to know that. I mean, it's just an interesting setup, is it not? That we're all baby brothers? Yeah, that is true. That's true. Yeah. What? Hey, let us know.

Or if you're a baby brother with an older sister who likes it in. Smash that like and subscribe button. Don't forget to bring the bell icon. So you can be updated when a new episode comes out. I got so into Indiana Jones that I bought a fedora that I left out in the tent in the backyard one night when I stayed out back in the backyard. The cat sprayed on the hat and stained it. And I continued to wear it because I was so Indiana Jones. I also, and I think I've mentioned this before

and I'm very embarrassed by this. Keep in mind I was probably nine or 10. After my favorite cat was killed by a car and buried in our backyard, I dug it up wearing my Indiana Jones costume. Not to do anything

creepy with. I just wanted to like be Indiana Jones. And I kept her buried. I didn't like as far as I know. Isn't that disgusting? No, I love it. Serial killer tendencies. And I love the notion that Indiana Jones is always wearing like a piss cap pissed.

Like, you know him in Denholm, Elliot, before he goes out and he's put in the gun into the suitcase and dropping and stuff. It'd also be funny if he gets his picks up his hat. He's like, yeah, God, damn it. It's too late to get to the cleaner. Well, it was the cat that pissed on the hat. So I guess there was some connection. I remember dressing up as Indiana Jones for Halloween in. kindergarten or first grade

and I can vividly remember because I had a bullwhip with me. Wow. And I'm like, let a kid let like a first grader go to school with a bull whip. I love it. But I remember whipping the basketball hoop in the gym and it stuck and I swung on it but then I couldn't get it down.

Oh, but you must have looked so cool for a minute there. Oh my God. Got a little fat indie. Here we go. I'd never had a leather jacket though. That's like you can't kids aren't just given leather jacket. No, I think I was just a tan shirt. Yeah, me too. You just gave you a vision of like, you know, people like to complain sometimes that there's missteps that the franchises makes, the fridges and the whatnots. But at least we never saw Indiana Jones use a whip to like score a point of don't turn them in or something. Hold on,

friend, there's still time. I know. We'll see. Still time. We'll see what happens. The dial could be a sports clock. We'll see. So yeah, you dress like him. whenever possible. I bought the action figures. They weren't great for some reason. And they sucked. Yeah. It was something about like the way Indiana Jones also needed to sit on the horse

so he was really bow-legged. Oh, right. Yeah. There was a horse set as well as. But I ended up liking the Temple of Doom ones and they were like six inches or something and they were just kind of thick. But they would have like a whip arm and very, I like,

oh, that could kind of crack. They had like a springy action to it. Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty impressive. And the thuggy, like the main thuggy guard that gets squashed in the conveyor belt had a sword hand. I only ever remember seeing every figure but indie. Yeah, you couldn't get indie. I never saw Indy.

It was just an aisle full of Marians. A lot of Bellyx. Bellocks, yeah. There was a, was it, if I remember it correctly, was there not a mail away? You could mail away and get the Belloc in the Hebrew clothes? Or was that just... You're right. I think you're right.

But would you open the envelope your mom's face melts? But what an enticement. Like get Belloc in the Hebrew vestments that he dies in. I guess with the toys thing, it's like... It's funny because I...

You know, George Lucas rules. And in Star Wars, they do all that like fun, world building stuff, references to things you'll never see, but it kind of entices your imagination. They do that all through the Indiana Jones movie. There's lots of examples where they kind of like,

Indy, you and I have a minute or just like a reference to what his relationship is with Ravenwood. Yeah. Like all these kind of things you can imagine. Hints at Past Adventure. But it doesn't lead to toys. It's like there's multi-characterters all through the Star Wars universe because they're world building that way. But there's not like a.

Like a Denholm-Eliate action figure that kids won. There is no Denham-Aliac. There should have been. Well, there's only one. Give me the Abner-Ravenwood spin-off prequel. I would love that. It's pretty wild that that hasn't even been sort of floated. I'm sure.

What's that? I'm sure they're going to... I wonder maybe that's one way they'd go. ...back into the well. Abner Ravenwood is maybe the coolest name I've ever heard. Yeah. Abner Ravenwood. And his name, his last name is after a street in L.A.

then I think we've probably all driven. Yeah. Yeah. Lawrence Cazden, I think, named it. And then Marion is the name of his mother-in-law. He, like, turned name Marion. I was like, want to kiss us. I'm going to go Cazden.

I'm going to get front seat at Thanksgiving dinner. Etypice-in-law complex much? More like C-Etyple-in-law. Etypa. And Indiana, of course, is George Lucas's dog. Yes. And it was originally. Indiana Smith. That's right. Yeah. And this all, I mean, look, not that we need to, but if we want to tie it back to the reason we're here in the first place is Spielberg said to Lucas, I think I want to direct a James Bond movie. And Lucas said, and I'm paraphrasing, now, fuck that. I got something for you.

Did he put out a fedora and winked? He did. Steven, what you want is one of these. That was good. I loved it. I loved it. It's a fertility idol for me. I would love, you know, how like a, like, a, you know, like, a. of Jobs that is that what it was called the Aaron Sork and

Steve Jobs movie had that really kind of didn't love the movie but it had that kind of like setup of you're just

picking up three different presentations he did I would love even if it's just a night of theater three acts of Spielberg

and Lucas's trips to Hawaii Oh sure because they do one on before Star Wars Yeah when Star Wars

the opening weekend of Star Wars, they're in Hawaii together. Yeah. But by the end, he's having to go. Yeah. Yeah. So me and Amy, we got to sell this property on Hawaii. Like me and Amy Irving, we're married now, and we can't keep doing these trips to Hawaii anymore, Georgie Boy. Or you know there's some Hawaiian trip where it's, so there's a saucer man for Mars.

And Spielberg's just like, oh, God. That's the last scene. Except I think the last scene is, now hear me out. It's a dial, but it's not, oh, it's not soap.

It's not a dial on a television. It's a dot, what, George, it's a dial of destiny. Fuck off. Fine. I'm going to mangled.

It has nothing to do with it, right? Correct? He's executive producing. Oh, is he? Yeah. along. I wonder if he did

at all get involved. I'm curious. I am very curious about that. Because it sounds like he had no connection to the Star Wars legacy movies, right? Oh, we're talking about Spielberg. Sorry. Oh, Lucas, I don't think...

I don't know that Lucas had anything to do with this. Well, I controversial hot take time. Here goes, here goes. Oh, here we go. I'm already saying it. If George Lucas didn't have any creative involvement and definitely you know you know Steven Spielberg didn't direct the fifth one it's not really an Indiana Jones for me wow oh hello whoa whoa in the same way controversial hot take number two

I don't consider non-George Lucas post prequel star wars movies really star wars movies they're I'm not saying they're not I'm just saying they're not and they're kind of the thing yeah it's interesting and like this movie could very well be better than Crystal skull, but there's still being too many missing... There's a strong opinion from Paul, who now makes more sense that you're saying, go woke, go broke.

That makes so much sense. That's true, he is. Yes. Oh, my God. Not my Indiana Jones. Yeah. Look, it's going to be interesting seeing Harrison Ford.

Like, I remember when four came came out, Crystal Skull, watching in the theater going, oh, he's, oh, he's moving like, kind of like an old guy. Yeah. And that was fucking almost 20 years ago. That was 15 years ago. Like, we have parents.

We know what's gone on in the last 20 years. Yeah. It's like when Robert De Niro kicks that guy's head into the curb and the Irishman. And you're just like, I actually think that wouldn't hurt. Yeah. To be kicked by that guy. But his face is young. It's like he does it with like the weight of a marionette puppet.

Oh my God. A Team America character. His hands move with it. It's like the joint of his foot just slides along the head. I remember that it occurred to be watching a firewall at the Chinese theater with my dad. Wow. A sentence that's rarely been said. I would have my epitaph.

We were sitting. there and there was a part where he had to like punch Paul, what's his name? Betney threw a wall or something like that and Paul like flew through the wall and grud. And me and my dad looked at each other. It was like, it doesn't bode well for future idiotic.

It was a bunch. You can't even do the punch? It's also weird if you don't have Harrison Ford punching with the indie punch sound. Yes. Very distinct. And that's something getting to Raiders when we watched it from the theater.

My God. God, the sound in this movie is so good. The gunshots. The gunshots. They're so facie. Indy's gun is sounds so cool. Oh, it sounds so good. And prior, pre-Indiana Jones, there was never like gunfire as an art form.

It was always just a, you know, this was like, it's so good. And you hear like the metal tinging and the, oh, that's a minor example of like the overall thing the whole movie's doing. which is just like genre shit that been made before that people just didn't take as seriously or love it as much with as much craft. And they're like, well, we're doing this. We love this. So let's have the guns sound.

Like, you know, I hate when people say something's a character or whatever. But I do feel like the sound is definitely like a color in the movie. Oh, for sure. It's Ben Burt, right? Yes. Yeah, the Wilhelm. Did you not notice the Wilhelm screen? Of course.

Of course. That may be the first time I ever noticed it in my life. I think we all should have, like, clapped when it happened. I laughed. Yeah. But I just wish everyone. Or did like a call in response. It does it that we do it.

If you love Wilhelm, scream real loud. Ooh. Yeah, I forgot to say when we watched it. That was a huge part of getting to see it in the theater with you always with the sound and stuff. You know, the flip side of that. is I think it got taken off due to legal reasons, but Steven Soderberg did this cool thing where he took everything black and white

and took off the sound. And, you know, sometimes I like to put on music and put a movie I'm familiar with and just watch the movie and listen to an album or something. I did that with Raiders just recently. Didn't find a cool sink up. What did you try, though? Neutral Milk Hotel.

We'll see. We'll see. I'll get back to it. It was like it gave me the opportunity to watch it. And I did think like, man, instead of going to a film school, somebody could watch this with the sound off.

And you would, I think it's like why it inspired those kids to want to make their own raiders or why. I heard Joe Dante in an interview say once when he first started doing Q&A's with fans, and stuff. Every fan he met in the 80s who

wanted to be a filmmaker, wanted to make a movie like Raiders the Lost Ark. So I think there's something like when you watch it maybe more than a Star Wars movie, your brain gets to do this really fun thing of like, how'd they do that? And I bet I could do that or how do they pull it? It's just all cool tricks.

All the shot composition is like very deliberate and like it's interesting. I guess it was the most storyboarded movie Spielberg had done to that point. That makes sense. which also save time. The movie only cost $18 million to make. That's insane.

And it's only an hour 43 or 45. Yeah. In this day and age, I didn't even have to go to the bathroom during it. I mean, it's him. It's the first movie. He had four movies before this where he's actually being regimented about staying under budget and under schedule. And it's mainly because it's his friend George Lucas's money on the line.

But then it makes a complete shift in. Spielberg's work. It was like 1941 was the one right before and it was so bloated and my wife found a shirt

that says 1941 forever and ever and ever and ever on the back and it's the cruise shirt of them griping about how long it's taking to make

1941. So it's cool to think like I just love watching it. The hour and 43 minutes thing is just because it's the fucking leanest,

meanest movie. It moves so quickly. So muscular. Yeah. Yeah. Sinewy. And I think so, you know, almost to its detriment, I do wish that they had not cut out

the submarine scene. Yeah. Because it does beg the question, how do he get there? Right. Did he just hang on to the... Yeah. That submarine scene is so funny because along with that and the part right around it where somebody looking will see that Toe isn't in a car, it just says,

hat and jacket bunched up. On a stick? Weird. Which is cool because it's an example of that under budget. We're just going to fly by the seat of pants lean and mean thing because otherwise. Stephen, we could put a guy in it. I know it is. You know, you're sure you just want to put the stick?

It costs the same. I know. It's crazy. Does anyone know the story behind why he's not there? What happened to him? For the listeners that don't know when the like final Nazis after the truck chase pull into that little town, circle after the truck with the

arc has been taken away it's belloc and they're all pissed because they can't find it they just show a shot of the car and tote from behind is just so clearly not a human it's just a leather jacket on what looks to be like a cross yeah like how

kids make a movie of their back here they're just like fuck it yeah yeah it's I got these two broomsticks great time together we're gonna it looks like tote would be so offended he's like that's how you see me had he already melted get him back.

They had a bit of a freezer trying to bring them back. But what I was going to say, that's so catches your eye later, you don't notice it forever. And you don't really question the submarine thing too much. And I think it's because it comes after the horse truck chase that is so magnificent.

It's almost like when a band plays their biggest hit and then follows it up with a new track. And then later, when you're thinking about the concert, you're just like, whatever, it was awesome. Everything was awesome. You're so dazzled by that truck chase, you're kind of like,

submarine smover, whatever. If they tried to pull that 20 minutes in, it would be a completely different story. I think people would be like, fuck this movie with the submarine shit. Doesn't make any sense. How did he survive? Yes, yes.

But instead, we watched him on the horse. The horse thing, when he rears, when he rears that horse, it's so funny. It really is funny. It's a question I was asking the other day. I was like, do you? I talk about Indiana Jones my regular life, guys.

Doesn't just have to be on a podcast. No, same here. Do you think, I'll ask you guys this question, do you think that they knew that that shot would be hilarious and cool? Or did they just think this shot's going to be cool? When he, when he finally, when he like is like, wait here. and then he goes off and the next thing you see is him

like, they shoot it up. Yeah. You see the sky and then you see the horse and him coming to frame. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Do you think Spielberg was like,

this is going to be awesome? Or was he like, this is going to be great and funny? I mean, those are not mutually exclusive. Good questions. I think he's probably always got all his shots are so dynamic

that they have more than one feeling going for the most part. Yeah. But I never quite felt that shot the same way until he saw it in the theater the other night. And I was just like, this is, it's really cool. But your response was like in awe but also laughing. I was like, that's so cool. Also, it's hilarious.

This is how he's going to chase down the truck. And I never noticed after the submarine arrives at the base, there's a German soldier whose arm is in a sling. And it makes me feel like, was that some scuffle on the submarine from the deleted scene? Maybe, yeah. I've never noticed that before. I love that. Yeah, he wishes he was on the battlefield.

It's like the kid who gets like a sling at his arm and can't play baseball that summer or something. Oh, yeah. Not talking about my summer in 1989 at all. Someday I will go out there. One should be other people. Fuck them. I want to see them all in slings.

The actor actually broke his arm and they're still like, fuck it. We didn't put tote in the last shot. Let's put this guy in. Also, let's double cast a bunch of people. Hey, that guy in the beginning, that gets all the darts in the back, let's make him the monkey master. Wait, you mean two broken arms?

Huh? Double cast? Yes, double cast. Interesting choice. And then you got Pat Roach, who's in all three movies, who plays the German that gets chopped up by the propeller blades. Yeah. So in the first one, he's the propeller blade dude.

And the second one? He's also in the bar fighter. What do you think it is that makes... Like, because this is Vic Armstrong. Yeah. Who did all the stunts. Yeah. Yes.

He did all, you know, a lot of the James Bond movies up till view to a kill. I think at least. But the, the, the, the, the Mercedes, when he's underneath that truck with the whip, like, that is, that is more dynamic feeling than anything with that was in a James Bond movie previous. Yeah. Ooh, do you. Yeah. I'm wondering if it's like, right. If it was Spielberg's influence, that was like, no, go not.

do this, yeah, sure. Yeah. Because I feel like Covemberg's idea. I feel like Covey would be like, oh, yeah. Well, it does, I mean, that's really interesting because it's what you were talking about, Matt Gourley, that it was like, what you were saying, Matt Myro, it was, is like him say, no, I got something better. You can do instead of James Bond this.

And then they're doing a stunt that you go, whoa, that goes beyond anything I've seen in a James Bond movie. Yeah. I wonder. Yeah. if the obviously somebody making a movie like that their whole thing is just like I want to up my own personal

ante but it makes you wonder if they have their eyes on how other people are doing in the race and you're just like you know what this is blowing James out of the like yeah I wonder too if it's by design or just happenstance that this movie was so eminently playable as a kid because all the set pieces are literally in set pieces so yeah you've stacked up couch cushions for stones and blocks and you jump over pits.

What it lacked in action figures, it made up in the hours of playtime. Oh my God, you're so right. When anytime it would a TV movie or it would air on ABC on a sunny way, you goddamn guarantee that Monday. Every kid was set up their own little like, jungle gym. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Sto, the Shikara Stoes they have to get. I know, because you just go find three rocks. in your backyard and you're set.

Good to go. Oh, man. Yeah. Would you do dress up? I didn't ever, couldn't dress up. It was hard to find a whole lot. We had an old, we had an old pewter wine set. Oh.

That had a cup that I used to pretend was the last crusade. Oh, wow. And I always used to like run around with it. We had an arc of the covenant that we would put our commandments in. So I would just use that. Yeah. Yeah. For you careful to be the Holy Grail.

That's weird. Yeah. I had an amazing imagination. Also, I buried my cat in the thing. Did you have a choice between having, destroying that or having like a date at prom? And you're like, God damn, and I want a date for prom. Okay. I did go to prom, but I made both of us get tied up to a pole and say, do not look at the stage.

Also, I kind of, we should, did you want to take a break? No, no. Oh, or you wanted to move something. No, go ahead. I want to distract you. No, no. I was going to say whenever you guys ready, we can go through the movie,

but it sounds like we got more general discussion. No, I was just going to say that if you retro, I sort of retro misremember the details there. I was making it sound like the reason, making a joke that the reason Indiana didn't destroy the covenant is because he was choosing Marion. And that's not quite the case. It's that as an archaeologist,

he knows or whatever a person on earth. He feels like it's wrong to destroy that. He was choosing history. Yep, yep, not mystery. Because it's wrath of God. There's this painting or picture I have up is the picture. It's a print of the Ralph McCory illustration from the book that they show him in the movie. The one you, funnily, while we were watching, you were like, let me open the book to the exact spot.

Yeah. Yeah. And there's the picture that shows. like everybody being kind of thwarted by the arc and that must be how he somehow knows, I guess. I don't know. That's the thing that he holds in the back of his mind there. Is that scene the best exposition scene in human history? That's how I felt.

I was definitely the best exposition seen in any of the indie movies. Yeah, for sure. I mean, they're all Indiana Jones exposition is good exposition. Pretty good. Yeah, oh, always good. Yes, I should. Because they also don't lie about it being exposition. It's usually a man telling another person.

Yes. Here's the deal with this historical artifact, whether it's Walter Donovan. And it's also like they never get it done while they're driving. You know what I mean? It's like never like, we have to get from A to B. Also, let's do this exposition. Well, like, Crusade, they literally kidnap him just to give him exposition. Right, right, right.

And this one, the FBI comes and sits with him. And those actors are so good to point. Yeah. I mean, what I love about the, I think what makes that exposition scene, and I'm going to think on that it might be the best exposition scene in any movie ever. That's because, I don't know. I like when Doc writes on that chalkboard and Back to the Future too. That rules. That rules. Well, the first, his first movie exposition is pretty good, too. With the model. Yeah. Sorry, I couldn't paint it and get it to scale. Yeah. That is pretty good. I laugh every time, Christopher Lloyd's face. Every time it hits the bucket. Yes, the timing of that cut to his reaction is so funny. Every, every.

Every time I laugh at that. Oh, but the exposition scene, you know, I think, you know, whatever. Steven Spielberg's the man. He's the best that ever was at. Well, Spielberg executive produced back to the future. He's no stranger to exposition. Yeah, that's right. Maybe he came up with the chalkboard for duck.

But just one of the many, many, many reasons he's the man is, or the total filmmaker is he does this cool thing where whatever he wants the audience to be feeling in the moment. He'll locate the character in that scene that you should have that point of view. And so that exposition scene is really cool. and maybe watching it on big screen to help me see everybody's faces all at once and stuff. But they're all skeptics. None of them believe in it.

It's just their degrees of skepticism. Right, right. And the guy from Star Wars. Porkin's. Yeah. He is like the most skeptical. And because you get different them all either in a white show

or close house, you can go, oh, Porkins is like my guy. He's the most skeptical. But what's amazing is when that picture does show up and they open the book, it's the cherry on top of like, they all start slowly getting on board and getting excited about what this could mean.

And by the end, when they open up the book, it's almost magical. It's like, oh, the reason he opened the book is because they're all getting jazzed about where this is going. That when Porkins sees it, he's down for it it's so cool

because that's you also in that Williams like choral score or whatever that the arc theme comes up to right I can't remember exactly oh and that shot of like Brody looking over at Indiana Jones and just admiring like

this guy's the best he's got passionate about and seems to know everything I love he might be the dark horse fave of the Indiana Jones shows you for me because you get two versions of him

these very sort of subtle and straightforward in this movie and then he's pure comic relief and hilarious. I mean, he's the best bumbling fool I've ever enjoyed in a movie. I know,

he's great. Because you can, like, it's not, he's not just a fool. Yeah. Yes, yes,

I mean, he's a fine actor. It's been established that he's an intelligent man who runs an archaeology department at a prestigious college or is the dean. But somewhere he's

losing around Italy. Whatever happens. Maybe it's jet lag or something. Between, Raiders and Last Crusade, he, something happened to Brody. That's a fuck, that is a great cut too when Harrison Ford's

like, he'll blend in. And his little aside. Excuse me. Water, thank you. No, fish peeing it. And anybody, no, what I'm saying. Also great in 40, I mean, trading places too. Oh, that's right. Maybe that's where

post, after trading places, was after Raiders and I can only see him. Like, I think that maybe we talked about in that initial Indiana Jones he talked about, but it feels like that tradeoff, that change in Brody is partly because he's like the paternal figure in Raiders.

So if you had him be too paternally around Sean Connery, it'd mix it up. So he has to be like the fool. And my heart breaks a little bit because I love his scenes in Raiders how he's like this dignified person. He has that little moment when he he gives a fake smile

to Indy about like, Oh, yeah, they'll give it to the museum. And then when Indy walks off, his heart sort of breaks. Like, oh, I know we're going to not be able to give it to the museum or whatever. It's cool. Like, I really love his performance. Yeah. Yeah.

Should we dive down? Talk about Raiders and a lot of us do it. Yes. Start with one of the greatest cold opens in cinema history as well. Yeah. Oh, that match, that match shot to the Paramount Mountain. I wanted to ask you guys, if it had been another studio, how would have they pulled that off? Well, this is what we're going to have to figure out for the Disney one.

It would have been like, oh, they're going to start on a castle, right? They have to, like a German castle or something like that. They'll go from the Disney castle to the German castle. But does Disney want to be associated with Nazis? Look, it's the 60s at this point, right? I don't. Yeah, the griswolds might as well be running around there on a funny vacation. I think it's a flash maybe.

Oh, you think it starts early. starts early. I'm not spoiling. I don't know that. Okay. But yes, I think they don't mind. But in the order of the logos, this isn't my theory. I saw it on Indiana Jones Reddit.

Very cool. That the second logo would maybe be the Lucas film. And so it's more about finding a way to pull that off. And maybe there would be less fan uproar because I could see people getting torn up about like having the Disney castle in the movie. Sure. But if they go like, this person was like, I wish I could get credit. It kind of looks like a bridge.

Like maybe they dissolve into a bridge. It also looks a little bit like a train, like a locomotive. If you take the lettering and I know there's a train in this movie, they show it in. Chew, chew, chew. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah.

I mean, if it had been like, I know Touchstone wasn't around, but if the movie had to somehow figure a way to open up with Indiana Jones next to a big blue ball with a. lightning bolt going through it. I was like a cool Mayan temple that has like 20th century fox like engraved it. Oh yeah. What about the Bloom House logo that goes on

for like five minutes and has Michael Myers and then like a grudge girl and all the stuff. Finally gets to Indiana Jones and he's sleeping. Like, huh? What? Oh, right. The movie. Oh, the movie. Yeah, it's starting. It's A-24 and he's just

playing bingo. Oh my God. But he's playing bingo. He's playing bingo. Bingo. Bingo. Okay. Okay. The new Big Bag theory related.

Bizzingo. It's going to last a little longer. No, he's playing battleship. That's what it is. So yeah, cool opening with that logo. And then the other logo-y part of it is the title font, which Doom is the only one

that has the actual Indiana Jones style, adventurer style. I usually can get pretty hung up on the poster font. Doesn't match the title credit font. But this one, I'm cool with it because it does, I think it would be too much. It's kind of like, I like the slow burn of it being like an adventure movie. Well, it's also like first, they spend so long not showing Harrison Ford's face. Right. Which I think is an interesting...

It's very bonn. I was asking your mother-in-law. Jaws. Yeah. Your mother-in-law had gone to a preview screening. Remember she was talking about this? And I had asked her, I was like, so did you know Harrison Ford was going to be in it? She's like, I think so.

And I went like, well, then who is it for that you don't see his face? Right. Because, like, if you had gone to a preview screening and not known anything about the movie, how cool it would have been to then see it's Harrison Ford. Oh, that's great. Yeah. I'd love to see. the footage where he steps out and it's Eric Stoltz.

Have you ever tried? I know it exists somewhere. Have you watched it in chronological order? Like, watch Temple of Doom. Oh, no. Because then that's a better opening shot, actually, to not see his face until you see his face. Why?

Because you've already met Indiana Jones. No. And to meet him that way coming down on that white tucks. Oh, right. Yeah. I mean, I like the, just how it says, Raiders Lost Ark. I'm also thanking God that didn't get special edition

where they added Indiana Jones and the Raiders Lost Rock. Even though they've done that to the DVDs. To the title everywhere else. Yeah, I asked Matt because I was like, it doesn't say Indiana Jones. I thank God he didn't get to it. No, no, no, he did. Yeah, they never got to the movie itself

and that has to be Spielberg. I think the exact same thing. But you can't understate that Paramount Disolve into that mountain. member being in the theater and just that simple thing going like, oh, what? Wow. And everybody in the theater, you could just kind of feel this like, it's a big hit. They found it. They found the mountain.

Yeah. It's on Kauai. That mountain is on Kauai and you can drive, like when you drive typically the road from the airport to the north of the island, I remember looking for it the whole time. I can't remember if I saw it because there's pretty much every mountain looks like that there. but Alfred Bolina standing there giving like guided tours for free.

I just love doing it. Yeah, it's also just a, yeah, what you were saying like your first, the impact of it is probably a little like a two. If you're a movie lover, you just love movies, love logo, parent studio logos and stuff. And so to automatically kind of be like

it is presenting the movie as a movie, capital M movie by being like the logo looks like the shit in the movie like it's just like such a fun it's also interesting that like that's it that's the only logo ahead of the movie right yeah right those days you didn't need 14 different subsidiaries to make the movie

oh my god if they had to do that with each different like oh god no each one had to fade into the other logo right until you finally got to paramount and jimonic podcast and then you get some more of the sound

with that face of the whip. I mean, not more of the sound. This is the first time you get the feeling of that. It hasn't even cracked and you get in this amazing sound. I hope everybody at home

liked my sound effect more than the movie. That's what they should do with a special edition. Go back and replace all this out. Every time the red dot goes, I'm like, what does a submarine sound? Like, I don't know.

You just hear me asking? Right? Close. That was that. Is that okay? But also what that movie has done now is made everybody, whenever you see anybody in a movie or a TV show that's in a tomb or an ancient whatever, you're expecting booby traps.

And it makes you disappointed when you yourself are in a tomb of some kind, and there's not booby traps. Oh, every time I've dug up my pet cat, I've thought, where are these? Finally, somebody knows what I'm talking about. No, I know you mean, in poltergeist, he goes, hey, when the bird rots, can we dig up the bones? Yeah. This kids love digging up weird boats. Don't bury him in that pet cemetery. I just want to state again, what a cat person I am.

That cat, I adored that cat. He's king of the cat people. Oh, I tried finding the cat we buried. Don't feel about it. I just couldn't. I was dumb and curious. Look, I also just finished reading the Black Dahlia, so it makes me feel gross when I think of digging up a cat. Evisceration.

Yeah. But yeah, the booby traps are really cool. Can we talk about their technology? I mean, it's like beams of light. Yeah. Impossible. Yeah. Impossible.

That's what you think. I don't know if you've been to a little place called Adventureland in Disneyland. Yeah. They have all those same booby traps. With modern technology. That's what you think. As far as I'm concerned, I'm getting in a Jeep. And it's like 1930 something in Salas, right?

I just love it. I just love it. Raiders is based on that Indiana Jones ride in Disney. Yeah, I'm pretty sure. Just like Fire to the Caribbean with Johnny Depp based on the ride. What could possibly be? Does anyone think the ride came first? Is anyone up there think the ride came first?

Well, maybe it's set prior to Temple of New. He is in India or Thailand. Maybe. Yeah. Although Marion and Anne's, Sala are in the pre-show video. Yeah, just Sala reference the events of Raiders in that line here.

We don't know. Sorry. Well, what could possibly be the technology? I don't think it's a revamp with mutt. Sorry, that. What could possibly be the technology that there's a mechanism that senses light? Look, I know. Well, have you ever walked in a mom and pop store and dings when you walk in?

Same technology. In the 20th century. I want to know. how these guys did it. At that time of day, with that be bubble, I love it, because when I remember seeing that

going, I never would have expected that, but as soon as he says, stay out of the light, you're like, oh, of course, it'll trip a movie trap. Of course.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and also the technology of the weight changing, like when I was a kid, that would like burn my brain trying to figure out the... Do you think if he had just gotten it right? Yeah, but that's the great thing.

It's like, if he's counterweighted. that one I can buy. It's this light. So he had too much sand is what you mean. Or too little. That's it. We don't know.

No, too much. You're right. It had to be too much. So why not Indy just take out a little bit more, like, don't risk having it be heavy if it's just kind of about making it lighter. Because then it would go up probably. I think it's probably on like a canter lever scale. See, that's what I'm saying.

This checks out. The blow darts check out. But if you remove it completely. it would go up. Right. Right. Which would then cause the ball to also go. I think up or down's going to make the temple collapse. Yes. You're good. But getting back to the light. How does it work? They don't have photos sensors in whatever Hovito's culture. I mean, maybe they're the forebears of photosensitive cells. If you're thinking of the Los Angeles, they were very advanced technologically. Before they went into the ocean. I'm not seeing any other advanced technology in this in this tomb. What about those... You don't know what those blowdarts are made out of. Or those titanium. Sharp spears through Alfred Bolina's head and neck.

That effect... Yeah. Looks like it's from a Friday 13th movie or a slasher movie. I mean, it's the first example of maybe like five in this movie where you're like, this shit is PG. Yeah. Like... There was nothing else to go, though.

They had PG and R. That's true. I mean, I think they should have got X. That's crazy. I think it helps that you don't see the spears go through his body and penetrate. But it is really graphic. And when I was a kid, it did mess my shit up. Yeah, but it cautioned you, right?

You're not going to enter any tombs. Yeah, you never step into light. Never step in the light. It became this crazy OCD. I can't believe you even became a performer. Couldn't leave my house. How does the light work? He brings the room on stage.

leaves up the light before he goes on. Sometimes it's fun to sweep. It's fun sometimes to sweep around in the old corners of the internet on old, like, fan pages of Indiana Jones and stuff. And there's a couple of things there that, if I think of it, but one of the people shared something that it tickled a part of my brain that was like, I think I've had this weird, it's kind of an cany, uncanny thing, that they used Alfred Molina's head corpse, fake corpse,

for one of the mummies in the cave of... And it's the one that gets in Marion's face later. It's like those are... Did they like dress it up differently at all? Yeah, they like sort of... Not that it, yeah, that it's the same. But yeah, yeah, yeah, that they just kind of made it. How did Sapito get transported all the way to...

Tyro. That's what Destiny will answer. My ancestors that probably looked like us. You know, just a coincidence.

Wow. I mean, it's not a, it's a, it's not an nitpick. It's just like, ooh, that's,

guys, I don't know if you know this, but the snake in the plane is also in the tomb. Oh, I made that. That is so funny. Don't get me started.

Well, can we clear the air about the snake here? Yeah. I mean, I'm sure people have heard this story. So long story. No, no, no. It's not that they've heard this story. They're aware of the controversy and they're waiting for your side of it. Here your snake traversy opinion. I was on a game show in the 90s called Debt with Wink Martindale. And I won and I got to the final

round. Dink Martindale. Dink Whartendale. And they ask you one question you can bet all your winnings all or nothing. And I chose my field of question to be Raiders of the Lost Dark, although behind the scenes they ask you three. I chose Star Wars platoon and Raiders of the Lost Rock. Or Indian, it justs. These are strong categories for you. Yeah.

And they ask me, what's the name of the snake in the plane when Indy gets out of, you know, the temple there? And I said, that's easy. It's Richie. And they go, no, it's Reggie. And you can't tell in the movie. He goes, that's just my pet snake, Roger. And I later came to find out that it was, in fact, I believe, Richie.

And they screwed me over. Or did I say? It is Reggie. You said Reggie. I said Reggie. They said Richie. They're wrong. It officially is Reggie.

What if I'm wrong this whole time and they were right? And that I've just bastardized this, my own story. How much? How much money are we talking about here? What'd you risk? I think I risked something like $3,500 and I would have gotten two or three times that, I think. And I ended up leaving with a $500 savings bond. So there's a fucking associate producer out there who owes you seven grand. Yeah, you got ripped

off. Yeah. Because it is Reggie. And I love that that snake's name is Reggie. It's all regulated now thanks to quiz show. And this was too. In fact, when I said that, everyone went quiet and they paused the game and I had to stand there with Wink Martindale while all these people conferred because they're like, did he get it? Did he not get it? And the longest minutes of my life was standing in the spotlight with me and Wink Martin Dile and Wink's just like sounds like they're not sure, friend. Oh my God.

That's so perfect. So what do you do? You know, just make it small talk with the first time I've heard this story. Really? Yeah. It's a that I haven't heard of the part about. That makes me. Barndale having to make small talk.

The judge's figure shit out. Driving home in my 84 Honda Accord, even though it was. the late 90s that was grinding gears. I had a savings bond I could cash in for $500 or wait like 10 years and get $1,000. And a pink rubber piggy bank that was the logo of the show debt, which was just, and I had that pink piggy bank forever. You got rid of that pink piggy bank? I guess I did.

It was too painful, man. I understand. I cash that savings bond right in because it was, I was in college. I needed all the money I could get. when I was in my early 20s working at the Apple store at the Grove they had a employee stock purchase program where you could like

take 10% of your paycheck out every paycheck period and you would be able to buy employee stock at whatever the lowest strike price was for that quarter and I was like I'm 23 I need the money now

oh yeah no shit I'm like man that would be fucking sweet lots of Money. That stock split seven times. But I needed gas. Yeah. I have my hunch is that the person who wrote the question was a stubborn asshole whose like job was on the line. And they were like, well, you think it's Richie, huh?

Yeah. It's definitely Richie. Send this guy home. Yeah, this kid's not going to fight it. Look at him. And they were right. Yeah. They were right. Bringing it to James Bond and James Bonding, you guys with this opening, you guys make a remark that I love in James Bond. Like, when are we going to get an opening that is a true cold opening that's not connected at all to the movie plot wise? Raiders doesn't do this because you get little belloc popping in. But if it's not a complaint, it's not like me being like, oh, I wish it was a mission. I'm so happy Bellox there especially because when he pops it back up

but you feel the beats you feel the James Bond beats that he's doing in the movie Yeah when did that start up the particular meeting the adversary villain At the end of the cold Is that I'm at that has to be Happen in a Bond movie

The actual meeting the actual one Oftentimes that doesn't happen to like second act Somebody who's connected to the villain though Like a hunchman yeah well it happens from Russia With Love You meet Red Grant and that's the second movie and Rosa Kleb. Hey, that very year,

Blofield and James Bond are facing off with each other and Fras Only in the beginning. Oh, yeah. Wait, what? Oh, of this year, yeah. That's right. That may be the first where you get the villain himself. But he's not, they're just done.

No, a man with the golden gun. Yeah, he doesn't stick around for the rest of the movie. Yes. No, it's not true because it's the mobster, even though there's like a mannequin of James Bond. That's not. But also, like, you don't get the gun. The unrelated cold open wasn't a thing until Goldfinger.

Okay. That's right. Yeah. That's right. And then they managed to do it. Up until on her majesty's. And then. Excuse me.

I would say like after Goldfinger, it was like a 70% rate of them doing. You only live twice as related because they fake as death. Right. Diamonds Forever's related because he's after Blofeld. So that's an early one of the cold open ends with him being like, wink, wink, blowfield's about. Yeah. Yeah. James, Blowfelt's about it.

In classic terms, how could I put it, but blow felt about it. You mean the author of all my pain? Yeah. But in that same summer of 81, or you could get a villain in a belloc or a, who was the bad guy and for your eyes only the Russian dude Christados

Yeah And then Oh for your eyes only Yeah Red Grant Okay You mean in For your eyes only

Sorry Yeah Rushwood love is Red Graham Yeah So the In the theater Next to these movies In the multiplex that summer

Yeah It's Superman 2 Fighting Zah And shit But I would say Out of that summer Of Baddies I love Belloc

And one thing I love about Belloc is, you know how with the James Bond villain There's always that thing of if He's not stronger than Bond, the villain. He has to be smarter than him. And if he's smarter, then that means he's like effeminate. It's just like a weird route they choose. He can't be smarter than Bond.

He has to like be smarter and then like turned on by Bond. He also plays dirtier than Bond. That's true. Yeah. He takes shortcuts and stuff. But what I love about I think they do that because they have to figure out a way

to make the villain be sort of seductive to the hero. What I love, who's the actor who's the actor who plays? Bella, gosh, darn it. I should remember his name. Paul Freeman? Freeman, yes. Oh, great.

Thank you. When he's delivering his lines, he's not doing a mustache twirling thing of he's trying to get the impact of being a bad guy. When he's talking to Indiana Jones, you see like he's trying to use all of his tools of like true

seduction but also just persuasion to get him on. There's no point where he's ever like making it difficult to come to his side. He's trying to get Indy to transfer out of a state college into his Ivy League school. Yeah. Yes.

Yeah. You'll give you tenure. Tenure. Let me say something on this because I have for a while now been saying if there's a weakness to the Indiana Jones franchise, it's its villains. And I even included Belloc in that

and I've said it on podcast before, but I did turn to you on the screening when we were watching this and Belloc comes up and I turned to Paul and I went, I was wrong. Paul, he's so charismatic and he's so subtle. And I think maybe it's just, he's not

grandiose or memorable, but in the for like for a benefit of the movie, to the benefit of the movie where like Bond villains are way more grandiose and I think they're trying to go with that with Molaram. You know, what's interesting about it too is like in the vein of James Bond, do you have these villains who are actually not the ultimate villain?

Hitler is the ultimate villain. They're doing this all to please Hitler. Right. And that's how they, like, you want to open this up in front of Hitler without checking to see if it works? Don't forget Shiva. Yeah,

I love that Belloc is actually like a henchman. Yeah. To Blowfeld slash Hitler or whatever that. And Blowfeld and Indy only come face to face when he signs that book. I do think Walter Donovan's a pretty, I actually think he's a pretty weak villain in both Bond and Last Crusade. He's just, I don't know, there's something. I like him now as an older actor on like Game of Thrones.

The fact that he has to be a good guy at first and a bad guy later, like gets a mask, maybe that robs him of getting to be a full villain the whole time. And you're right, like, Mola Ram is just like, doesn't say anything. It's weird that they just don't make the ambassador guy in Doom run. the thuggy cold. Oh, right. Chaturlo. Yeah, I know he looks different.

Like, he might seem too small to be run a thuggy cold or something. But it's just weird. Like, let that villain talk and kind of be the point of view. But with Bellock, yeah,

um, I do hear, I hear people, maybe he's not like, just, uh, you don't get the full, maybe because he isn't like a,

um, capital V villain Yeah He never punches or hits anybody No and you've got It's harder to like Hinchman He's your classic like

I won't get my hands there Yes But he's oh that reminded He's gifted with Lawrence Kastin's Writing in the Dialogue which is like the best in any action movie Ever yeah

And so he gets to say shit Like that thing about like I could bury my watch this watch here Take it back up in 500 years And it would be yeah They say the Ark is a tele-communicator with God. So he gets like a lot of cool.

And then that whole scene between him and Marion when they're drinking each other under the table and stuff, he's wonderful. Which I'm still trying to process that scene. I'm like, because it felt when he reveals that it's for his family's vineyard, to me that was like, oh, he's playing her. I've wondered this too.

Is that supposed to be? He can drink just as much as she can because they're also drinking. something he grew up with. I've wondered if that's supposed to be a turn that like, it doesn't really land. Right. Like, you think she's like,

oh, we saw her introduction as she can drink anybody. So we just know she's acting a little bit more drunk to get him more drunk. But then when he's like, it's my label, then you would think it's the moment where then he becomes sober. Yeah. And he's like,

take her away. But also, like, he doesn't seem drunk when they, when everyone comes into the tent. So maybe that is him. I feel like that's him playing Mary. I never caught that before.

Okay, so maybe it is the family label part is revealed when the guy comes in and he's like, Bip. Yep, I think so. Yeah. It is funny, the idea that your family label, if you grew up drinking, it means you have like immunity to its effects. It's really great. Taking it off the teat, you know?

So the scene after the opening then goes to the classroom. Matt, you had Mattie M. You had thoughts on the classroom. Here's something I didn't really put together until. And tell me if I'm wrong, everybody listening. Please, please tell me I'm wrong. All the time. Whatever.

There's a, everyone, you know, their girl says, I love you on the eyelids. She closed their eyes. You see everyone fawning after Indiana Jones. They all make their way out of the classroom. And then there's a beat where a gentleman in a sweater vest, timidly. And bow tie. And bow tie. He timidly is holding an apple and just wondering if he should go through with giving the apple to Harrison Ford.

And he finally, he just does and he gives it and goes, which I feel like is him as a gay man being like, I got to let him know. I'm going to come out with this right now. I always put it like he was just like all business kind of nerd of like this is what I do. And, you know, but when you pointed that out, because every woman in that class. is making goo-go-go-eyes at him. It's the cherry. That's great. Yeah, like, I used to register as like, oh, he's the classic ass-kisser, leaving the apple, trying to suck up to the teacher.

But it's weird that I'm saying ass-kiss and suck up with this. But when I watched it, I did think, not in a punching-down way. It's like the cherry to the joke of Harrison Ford turns on everyone. And you've got to get peace with that. Because I was always wondering if he's just, admitting you are fucking hot. The thing that I feel like supports your thesis there is that if he was the teacher's pet, why would he do it so stealthily and so like awkwardly you'd think he'd want him to set it

and kind of like look at Harrison Ford like I'm giving you an apple. But it feels almost like leaving a secret admirer note or something. That's what it felt like to me too. And I laughed at it because I had not really seen that on the big screen in forever. And I hadn't really. It's a sweet one too. Yeah. His little, like his

attitude is really sweet the way he drops it off. He's like whoever that actor is. Like that's very good specific actor. And then Brody takes it. Are we to read anything into that? Maybe. No, I think we're going to find out in the new movie

that Brody had progeny. Oh, so that's what we think a wall or bridge might be. I think so. A bridge between the two movies. Not a wall. Because he says he's her godfather, right? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I'll make a little. That's a trilogy. But I think that, I think even, I think she would be too young. Although, let's see. It's 69. This is 36. 36.

Yeah, okay. Okay. All right. All right, Brody. No, let it go. Okay. And then the exposition scene. We talked about it.

And then he goes back home to his house. I love Dr. Indiana Jones' house. Dr. Henry Ford. Where is that long smoking jacket? Where's the house? I think that's a set on Elstreet. In the same way that Matt has wigdar during COVID, Matt, I've really developed my set dar. Oh, that I think it's a beautifully made like art deco kind of bachelor's den that he goes back to.

Interesting. thing. And I just imagine loving it being like on the same set where like the Hoth set was. But then

yeah, he goes and he gets so excited for the big throws that gun and the floor length smoking jacket robe is amazing. Yeah,

what is that? Okay, so they get what happens between cuts? Like, I think those two.

Why is he in a smoking jacket? Well, that's his, that's what you'd lounge around and in your own house. But like, did they go home? It was like, come on, hang out. We'll go, we'll talk.

We'll chit-chat. I think those two government guys have to go to their top men and discuss it and they have to get approval. Then they contact Brody or Brody stays with them. Yeah, Jones goes home. Jones goes home. Has a, well, they have champagne, right? Yeah.

Yeah, he's got champagne chilling. You get a succession of three great Jones looks. Four, I guess you get the classic at the beginning. the academic one. Then you get smoking jacket one. And then the next one, when he gets on the plane, I think it's the only time in Crusade maybe,

he wears suits, but they're more kind of like tweedy professor suit. Yeah. Tweed-ish. Yeah. This one, when he gets on that plane, he's got that beautiful, like, pinstripe sort of like combo. That's the last.

And then maybe that's what he wears on the steps at the end. He doesn't want to get chalk on that one. No, no, no, no. You're writing crusades. When he goes to Venice, he's wearing a regular suit. Yeah, that's maybe less stylish. It's more like... It's lighter.

It's more summery. But it could be the same... He wears on the steps at the end of Raiders when he's walking down with Miriam. Could be that same... Maybe it's a different suit. I don't know. It's the same hat, though, right?

I think it is. Yeah. It's his regular hat. Yeah. Oh, that he's wearing with the suit? Yeah. No, it's a new fedora. A different hat.

I mean, yeah, at some point, to answer your question of like where he's changing, at some point before when he gets off the plate, he goes into like a truck stop bathroom and changes it. In his Indiana Jones clothes, yeah, before he goes and meets Miriam at the bar. Didn't that? But also, like, it's funny. Every time I watch an Indiana Jones movie, I just go watching the red line move across the globe and stop everywhere. I'm like, why would he go anywhere? It takes so fucking long. You know, did he like, yeah, when he flies

He's gonna stop in Hawaii? Hawaii, did he stay? Did he have some fun? Yeah, I mean, there's probably some relics he could find there, just a little. Oh my God, it's so... I'm gonna write a series of novellas called Indiana Jones The Layovers.

I mean, it's Kauai. He probably went to some adventures. When got the idol. So boring, you're right. You got like one life magazine. Yeah. And those flights would take way longer. They're props flights, too.

Yeah. Yep. But when that red line shows, up just, oh sorry, what were we going to say? No, no, that's it. The, the, the, when that shows up, uh, when I saw it as a kid, that seemed to me, like, it existed in the same way as like a stained glass window at church. It was just there and it like made sense.

Yeah. And I knew exactly what it is. But I don't know the antecy. Like when I first saw it, I remember saying my mom, it was probably with Temple too because I saw that place. But it was like, what is that? And it's like, oh, that's kind of movies used to have a fun way of showing how people were traveling. I think she's right, but I never saw what that is.

Yeah, I think it is a trice that had been used. It's called propeller leather. It's just like they never knew to cut it out back then. But it's gorgeous how it does that kind of like then like zoom in once he gets to Nepal. Yeah. Kind of like does that little push in. This Nepal sequence, man. I always want to say like this is my favorite sequence.

then the next one comes along. Hey, the shootout. Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead. No. Is there more, though? What? Oh, that's what you.

You're going to say it's your favorite, and I was going to say, I thought, we didn't discuss this, but after Raiders was done, I was like, I think that's my favorite sequence is the shootout. Yeah. It is really nice. It might be mine, too. I think it is. It's weird that it wasn't full of rich tourists.

who are about to climb Everest with whatever I think of Nepal, I think of like, just like, fucking. hiding behind the shirts that say keep Nepal weird. For me,

it's down to the opening sequence, the Nepal bar and the truck, the actual moments on the truck. But the shootout, I think this is the one I played the most as a kid for some reason, just because the gunfire and he's also got a 45 caliber in this.

Yeah. You always associate him with the, either the regular service revolver or that Webley one in Last Crusade. The sound of the guns and the fire, the way the music drops out. So there's no John Williams score. So it's just all this like, oh, hey. And it's pretty, I mean, it's, it's pretty tense. And there's like, it's a great, there's a great story to the fight too.

Yes. And like, you don't think about what's happening to, what's named Toff? Tote. Tote. Which means death in German. Just like, yeah. Correct me from wrong. He does not have a name in the movie.

I don't know what's his credit. I don't think he's credited. He's not at all. I don't think he's credited as anything. Because the name, as far as I know, the name didn't exist until, yeah, hench guy. That's great.

So many names have been created just so a toy has a movie. Yeah. But this is also the intro to Marion, and it's one of the greatest character intros there is. Oh my God. And just her whole drinking scene, into her conversation with Jones, then conversation with the Nazis, and then the fight.

It's beautiful, flawless, man. Flawless and perfect. Yep. The irony of her having that one thing around her neck. Did she know people were looking for it at that point? Or is she just knew it was worse to her? Something, I think. And then the, I mean, the amount of cash that shoots them both.

That she takes down in that drinking contest. Yeah. Like she fills that box with cash. Right. But that's some Nepalese money. You remarked that the person she's facing off in that drinking game. It reminds me. It looks like my daughter.

He is cute. I thought he was a woman for the longest time. I did too, but he's just an English actor. There are so many white people playing Nepalese people in this. In fact, the one guy that comes in with tote has the full-on prosthetic eyelids. I didn't know until very recently that those were there to make him look like a different race. I thought they were, I knew that they were makeup effects, or makeup, but I just thought it was to...

Just to make him look... To equal whatever tot's going on with his face. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now's a good time, too, to talk about the famous... What would you call it? Bullet they dodged by originally having Marion be so much younger than she already was because there's that transcript of the original story discussions they had with Kazden and Lucas and Spielberg.

And she was going to be something... talking about when they first met. Because I think in this version, when Indy was with her, she might have been 16 or 17. She goes, I sound like a guy who knows all the state laws in every,

across the country. He said 17. No. Primal 10. She says, I was a child. I was 17. You knew better.

And, uh, yeah, uh, the bullet dodged you're saying is like, yeah, was she like going to be like 12 or 13 or something like that? I haven't read though. People should read that like story conference thing.

It's amazing. It's so fascinating. And it's Lucas who wants it that way, right? Hang on, hang on. You don't know when the fuck Indiana Jones started hanging out with his mentor, Ravenwood, like when he took up archaeology. No, but she's talking directly about when they had their first romance. Right.

And he broke her heart. What I'm saying is he was 19, maybe? Maybe. Maybe. Oh, I see what you're saying. The difference between what their ages are? Yeah, but if he's popping around Ravenwood, that means he's probably gone through grad school. That's what you think.

I think he started earlier. Maybe he's a doogie house. That time that he... But she's saying I was a child, you should have known better, meaning like you weren't a child. And also, if that's her... Is how she's...

Is her experience? Yeah. Then that is, she's going, I was a child. They're like, okay, Indy should have known better. Clearly. It was 12. You're older than me.

What if Indy said that? And just, but he didn't. Oh, my God. I just love that... I was a child. I was 17. Yeah, and I was five. What's your fucking point?

The fact that the character would be canceled today, not the movie, but like Indiana Jones, the archaeologist as an old, let's say how old would he be now? I mean, look, product of the times, though, they probably could have gotten married back then.

Oh, I'm sure. That aside, I was just, I remember sometime reading or hearing about this transcript, and I feel like I remember Lucas kind of saying, You're like, oh, she shouldn't be 12 when this actually happened. And you're kind of like, whoa, put on the brakes. She should be the age of a youngling.

Youngling. George, George, slow it down. She's as Padawan. What's a Padawan? Wait till you hear. I've got a great idea. You're going to wait. Can I talk to you about the glory of midaclorians?

When you were talking about the Ravenwood prequel adventures and stuff, I did think, oh, that would be something they'd have to be delicate about, is that he's falling in love with Canon. In canon, Ravenwood's daughter who's a child. Yeah, but if they never even deal with it, if it just ends, whatever the Ravenwood thing is, it ends with Indy coming to the door for the first time, you know? Yes. Oh, perfect.

And they're like two years apart. But I just want a hero, another like archaeological hero. And Ravenwood sounds like the guy, and it would be kind of like 1914 or 1920 or something. And you have the lore that he was obsessed with the arc more than, Jones was, so you get to see how did he get the headpiece? Yeah. Where did he get it?

Yeah. You guys are talking like you're making solo a Star Wars story. I'm telling you. Where those dice come from? Matt, read our script. Abner Ravenwood and the staff of Raw? Come on. The headpiece to the staff of Raw from the temple of Soul.

It does do the thing though where you find out how he got his name like in Solo. That is true. The intro to Marion, though, like he said, is like so cool because any fella or any girl who likes girls would be like, I'm in love with this person. She's so cool and strong and funny. And then if you're a girl and you're not attracted to girls or you're a boy and you're not attracted to girls. She's still so effing cool.

And you want to be her. You're going to give her an apple. You want to be her then. You're going to give her an apple. And you've got Harrison Ford. And you're going to give him an apple. Yes. They both get apples.

But I love that opening scene because it's, it is, there's pain there. You can see she has a something, a history with him that's complicated. It hurts her that he's showing up. And so it is a really, uh, it's so good. And she's one of the best, uh, female action.

characters because she now she does end up being the damsel in distress but it's so reluctant on her part not because she's afraid but because he dicks her over yeah and she's too yes the two big post bond twists are that indie scared of snakes that he has some sort of like vulnerability that's really funny and that's just one version he's got vulnerability all through the movie where he's like getting too cocky and then yeah gets kicked in the nuts and stuff but then marian is the also the twist it's like she's a person who's just as formidable as indie and uh if they if they both thought monkeys were gross

movie would have gone a lot more dates what about dates you can eat them it's a date you eat it every time I go that's Phoebe Walleridge that's her date she's she's she's she's she's she's she's she's she's she's

she's handing the date plate over I think is that Deep Roy that kid? No. It's not? No. Okay. Deep Roy was an adult man at that point. I don't think so. Yes. He was?

Yeah. Are you talking? Well, there's Salas kids and then there's the person who's working in the like sorcerer's house. Yeah. And I don't know if that's necessarily Salas kid. Yeah. I don't think it is. And that could be possibly deep. But that part, maybe we're jumping ahead a little bit. But that part is the most, not a bad way, non-raidersy part in my mind. set. That set must be,

Oh sure. Must be like, and it also just has that moment where he's like, maybe something mystical is happening. And there's wind chimes and music. And he's like, yes,

there is something mystical. Like, it just doesn't, uh, feels a little explanation for that old wizard man either, except for like, I'm a friend. Come,

come. Come. Oh, yes. Oh, my God. He's a perfect, just like movie character. Like,

one and dumb. Two things I always do in my real life. If I'm measuring something like doing some woodworking or something and I'll say to myself it's like 76 inches but then take one back for whose god this is also whenever like Glenn is crying in her crib or in her car seat and I know she still has to sleep I'll go in there to try to soothe her and be like I feel like I'm getting married and I go I can't honey I'll be back I'll be back to save you because when I leave I feel like I'm betraying uh you know these movies also and these podcasts also offer opportunities like you

just did Matt to just share personal experiences. So when you said the measuring thing, I don't know if I've ever shared the story ever before, but one time when I'm like 12 or 11, my friend and his brother who's like 10, we're curious, whose dick is longer? Let's go get a roller. We'll go. And instead of going in one by one, we'll just all stand in the bathroom together. But you guys verify.

I mean, it's not like you're digging up. You're fine. You're fine. There's no honor system here. So we got to be all there together and measure. I'm the smallest. And we step out of the bathroom. And I notice while we're coming out that my sister is down at the hallway with a friend.

And I go, hmm. Okay, she's there. She's gone. Didn't really think about it more than that. Like three weeks later, a friend of my sisters comes up and goes, your sister was saying, you came out of the bathroom with a ruler with your friends?

She did know. She did know. She saw it. She saw it. Oh, no. Take one back for who's got this is. Exactly. I love it.

It's like the only conceivable reason 12 year olds would be with a ruler in the bathroom. Yeah. You weren't going to do renovations. It's pretty obvious. Eight science. That was not deep, Roy. I was wrong. It's okay.

Hey, you know what? You could be a person who, a real Richie, a person who writes a question where he insists that it's Richie the snake. And you know what? Because you have a computer, we'd believe you.

Thank you. I'd be like, okay, I guess it was Deeproy. Thank you. The end of that fight in the bar before the next scene, when I, my familiarity with this movie

is watching it a taped copy from ABC, Sunday night. So when she goes, I'm your goddamn partner. She doesn't say goddamn, and it goes to commercial. It's like the perfect commercial actor, Ernie Anderson. Saturday night on the love boat, Sunny Bono stars.

I have watched the TV ads for Raiders. It's like, it's the movie that left you cold. What? Really? Why? Sweat? Yeah, I suppose. Sure, sure, sure.

So what happens after that bar fight? Straight to Cairo. We get the red line. to Cairo. Red line to Cairo. I always get that confused with Roger Moore being told to Cairo is where, like, honestly, the two movies. The two movies

in my brain have become a movie. What's the Roger Moore? Spy who love me. Roger Moore is looking for Beckish. Beckish, yes. And he's beating everybody up to get an answer. And finally, he gets the answer at the top of a building.

He's holding, so there's someone who's holding onto his tie hanging off the building. and the guy goes Cairo and then James just goes like knocks the tie out of his hand and he falls to his death Yeah a rare brutal move for Roger Morris Bond

But the two movies for me Like when James Bond is in Cairo and Harrison Ford's Indiana Jones in Cairo I'm like half the time The scenes I'm like where's that Oh no that's the other movie Yeah Yeah well the spy who loved me too

It was before Raiders So they were kind of Yeah Indy was going around on his back Although you look at octopusy after Raiders, which so stole from Raiders, although also kind of came before Temple of Doom. It did, but kind of also with its kind of like Indian culture. You know what I hadn't. I hadn't noticed this until today I was thinking about it. Has there ever been, has an American ever directed James Bond? Before Corey Fukunaga? Cari Fukunaga? No. First America. American director.

Yeah. Unless you count Irvin Kershner, I'll never say never again. Irving, did you ever have to become a British, like a UK citizen? I had to learn the accent, which I'm doing right now. A British accent. Oh, what part of my accent, don't you understand? What part of the United Kingdom are you from? From the American Air Force Base.

I got through on a loophole And you see that's directing You have to throw them for a loop To have drama Solutions too You gotta be in figure out That's right When you were directing

Robocop 2 Best movie of my career When did you know It was the best movie you were back Day one When I got the script When I got the script It was written on the back

Of an old Archie comic And I said Let's shoot the whole thing Let's shoot the Archie comic. And we did. It got cut for time. Did you feel anything about, like, did you feel a connection with a robot cop?

Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah, that robot cop, if you don't connect to do. That part where we took out that, the brain and smashed it on the concrete. That was me. It was,

I was extempore on the day saying, let's do this. It's in my brain. My brain's in a jar. My brain was whacked out on nuke. Oh, man. Classic Kane. We were doing a lot of nuke.

Kane and his nuke. We were doing a lot of nuke on set. Yeah. We were doing it. Let me tell you. There was a part of the budget that was just set aside for nuke. Nuke changed my life. So, Erd would, I don't know if you know this.

If you go to prop stores, a lot of times you'll see, quote-unquote, real props of rogo up too for the nuke. But it's just the little eye drop with. that you get, are you getting a piece of this at all? Are these pop houses ripping you off? I can't say, I can't say, I won't just say,

if you can get your hands on some vintage nuke from the set of Robicup 2, do it. Do it. Do it. Huh? Put's Quail-lose to shame. Oh, don't even get me started.

I met my wife when I was tripping balls on nuke. I'd gone to Studio 53, which came after, oddly. I don't know why. It was a West Coast. Like Devil a Do. Well, they franchised it. They decided to go backwards a number.

I don't know. I wanted to be 55, but they wouldn't let me do it. And so I was going to 53, which was, of course, on Lagooner Beach. And there was a lot of hippies and artisans. And there was the Sawdust Festival and the Pagent of the Masters. And you'd get high on nuke. You'd go stand still in a great Renaissance painting for two hours so a bunch of rich families could look at you. And then you go to Studio 53, drop a little bit of nuke from an eyedropper into your.

your gins and tonic, have a blast. And we go to up to an old 70s wood-framed house and just, just have a wet nap with three to five people. What a day. What a day. What a day. It sounds like a beautiful night. Irving.

Thank you so much. You're welcome. I really must be going. I'm doing an Indiana Jonesing podcast. Oh. I'm doing a podcast about Indiana Jones. The multiverse is a lab seat. Yes, what?

I don't understand why you would be doing that podcast. because the new film is coming out and we want to do one a month until it comes out. And we wanted to talk to you about never say never. Did you have to become a citizen in order to direct a James Bond movie? Oh, good question. Yes, I did. I had to become a British citizen. Well, you were on the military base.

How did you, how do you know that? I've never told that story before. Mr. Kirsch. Oh, paging me. Paging Dr. Me. God bless you for remembering the off ramp we took to get here. I had no recollection of how we got to Irving. I'm always happy.

I do have to go. I've been dead for years. Understood. Bye now. Take care. I love it. He drops by though. He's just a treat.

Every time, he always tells a story he's never told before. What I miss? You're not going to believe it, but Irving Kirchner was. Salah is quite, what, a great character and a whole array of great characters

in this movie. Yes. That actor, he's so funny. Speaking of prop houses that sell things that you're like, come on. I've been seeing lately containers like this big of red blood from jaws.

Come on. And I'm just like, who's buying these? A little dropout of bullshit. That's what they call it. Yeah. They say it is. It should be brown in there, the bullshit. Yeah.

It is not. There's no way. It would have evaporated by now. Even in a hermetically sealed vial. Yeah, Richard Dreyfus is under there with a zip lock bag. I tried to catch a goldfish in a pet store. Wow It's like that

And like always I always see casino chips From Casano Royal You mean those Yes those right there And I got one from Dr. No There I often see them Yeah

And then Our man in the east Phil Nobiel Jr. Beautiful Wow Yeah Where'd you get those Sweet tarot cards

From my buddy Matt Mark May Hey Paul I noticed You haven't gotten You haven't gotten me A James Bond

Trinket Sorry. What if somebody were like, it was hard to trust that tarot reader I went to. Like, oh yeah, huh? I was like, you pronounced a terret. That was the first red flag.

So I'm going to read your tarot card now. Oh, boy, I put down 65 clams for us. The card of teeth. You've been dealt the card of teeth. Kong of coops. Cong of coops. Oh, the quant of coops. Coops and the

Ang of Coupes. So we're in Cairo. We are. We're having a great time there. We're going through the marketplace and uh-oh, a bunch of Cairo mercenaries come after Indy.

Cursonaries, I'd call them. Chironseris. Irvin cursators. Yeah. Unexpected. It always surprises me. It's a great scene between Belich and it's a great scene

between Belich and Indy in that. After the explosion. Is that post-explosion? Yes. Because he's drinking because he's so upset because he thinks he killed Mary. Yeah, which that is one little plot point of them switching baskets, which I guess is kind of works for those cereals they were kind of vaping.

But I remember even as a kid going and gone. You just what he's got to look at every basket, you're like, this is a task that no one's going to complete. But what basket did they put? Did they intentionally switch baskets, the Germans? Yeah. Why? What do you mean? Why?

To throw him off the scent. I got curious, you know, just because of that serialized thing. And if you watch the movie, there's, oh, there is a cliff hanger at the end of every kind of like 20 minutes, every like two reels. That is like, and the Marion truck explosion is totally like would time out as the comeback next week to see what the fuck happened to marry it here. But it is a new boy's going to get out of this one I wonder if I just You're gonna jump it That seems either

It seems to like sophisticated To me or something It's still like not something that I would expect in an action movie Where she gets killed He thinks she's dead And then kind of gives up hope for a moment Like that's usually Near the end of the movie or something

Like you like I I do, it is when she blows up, when the truck blows up, it does make me always go, oh, wow, I forgot that this kind of comes quicker than. It's an interesting structure of this movie, and it's often been said that this movie would go point A to point Z virtually the same without Indiana Jones in the movie. Right. Meaning the Nazis still end up with the arc and are killed by the arc and would have done so without him. They never would have found it. I think they never would have found it if he wasn't there.

Oh, that is a great rejoinder to that comment. I think they would have, because they already were heading to her bar and they would have tortured her and gotten it. She would have put up a fight. I think she would have just sold it probably because she was already open to that. Interesting. She wouldn't have known its significance, would have just been like.

I think they would have gotten it. I think Abner would have told her the significance. Yeah, it probably would have happened the same because even Belloc would have won. wanted to do the thing, regardless of Indiana Jones, he'd wanted to open it before they bring it before the Fuhrer. Exactly. But there's even a notion to consider like, if Belac just did that because Indiana Jones kind of messed up his mission and now he just wants to double check, you could argue that Indiana Jones actually messes it up because if he had opened it up to the

furor, Hitler would have been like, like, yeah. Like, Andy, just let it do their business. Let them melt some faces along the way. The only difference is it wouldn't have ended up in that warehouse. It would have just languished on that island and maybe more Nazis would have come to get it because no one would have been left at the site of the opening. It wouldn't have been a cyclical thing though, right? Each time someone found it, you just open it up. I think it stays on that island forever as everyone constantly dies. I like that notion though. That helps with that. It's like, yeah, if Indy hadn't come along, then it wouldn't be in quote unquote safe hands where really evil people couldn't get to it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's just interesting when the reason I bring this up is I was working on a

ringplay with a friend of mine and we were talking about structure and there's just so many people like wine or microphones that are like it has to be a movie has to be structured this way that way this way it's absolute horseshit actually raiders is not a very it's not a classical structure and like you're saying it really is based more on cereals where you've got marion dying halfway through the movie as opposed to like near the denouement or something yes right right right right right yeah yeah uh and he doesn't change really. I mean, you could say he kind of ends up believing I mean, he doesn't have a character arc.

I think that's part of the, you know, it is the shortest running time of all the indie movies. And I think it's because it's what makes it's awesome. It's like an action movie completely stripped of any like barnacles that could slow down the ship or any like accoutremon, a car that would slow it down. Yeah.

So things like, that or just like cast aside just so the movie can moon faster. So like if it was getting hung up about like, no, he needs to actually have a moment where he thinks he should go back to the United States and, but then he solves his internal goal before his external goal shit. Oh, I know he would have gotten a team of elite Marines to come back with him if this was like made now. He would have gone back to the United States.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Corkins would have come back to in his military uniform. It fits with the way like Michael Kahn talks about how he, the editor, how he edits Spielberg movies and stuff. He's like, I don't get hung up on continuity. Sorry, your cocaine? My God. Did someone say cocaine?

That's how he got into an editing room. It was just like, they think he's like, oh, so he's bringing Muck Cajicane. Michael Cain. He edits just based on like feeling he's like, continuity, spontaneity, it's whatever you feel. And so with Raiders, I think, yeah, the reason you don't get hung up on, what is that happening? Or, you know, that really actually wouldn't because you're just like, it's so propulsive. Yeah, there's no time to really think about what you've seen because everything you're seeing is keeping you in the moment so much. Yeah. And

if just, you know, as we compare the future Indiana Jones movies, the argument to this being the best one is that the running the short shortest running time is an indicator that it's the least if an action movie should just be like what moves the fastest that would wins you know I know this will be an interesting topic because I know there are a fair amount of people out there that think last crusade is either their favorite I'm not sure they think it's the best I find it really hard to dispute that Raiders is not the best even if you might like last Crusade. Do you think it's a better movie or do you think you just enjoy it more? I think Raiders is

the best of the bunch as far as like a quality made movie. Yeah. But Last Crusade is by far my favorite. Gotcha. Yes. I see. Perfect. Yeah. I love that and you that's both of those exist. Yeah. In fact, it's

almost really rare that those two cross over, right? Because it's the same thing with Bond where Casino Royale is, it is my favorite and I think it's the best, but if I'm like the most fun for me is a view to a kill or something yeah I think last crusade is really fun yeah like octopus is not great when I watch it all the time yeah like I'll put it on whenever I'm watching it right now that same split I just finished it of how to view those movies

too reminding me and I didn't uh I read this somebody else came up with it that Raiders is like a 70s movie and temple of doom is like an 80s movie and last crusade is a kind of a 90s movie because one's 81, 84, 89. So it's sort of like, and that does feel like the, the 81 elements of this are like, Miriam's a badass. And Harrison Ford is vulnerable. 84 is like fortune and fucking glory.

Rambo. Yeah. Rambo Jones. And then 89 is like, I love it. But it's like, hey, dad's thinking about his dad. It's getting a little touchy-feely. And now, you know, he's going to a little squishy. Tracking Spielberg's life.

Yeah. And 90s movies were all that. It was like boomers sort of like the coming to home. Like, what if we saw the graduate? And he had a daughter. We haven't talked about the cinematography much. So it's interesting that Douglas Slocum, I think, does all three of these originals, right?

Yeah. And I heard it took so long for him to like come out of a bathroom. Because his hair was messy when he went in. Yeah. And then it would take hours when he'd come out and it'd be perfect. You know, well done. But it just took a lot. Like a pomade factory had gone through.

I mean, I just didn't understand it. And I think he would, in order to do it, he would have to like get a shovel and go into the ground to dug the slowdown. This movie looks so different than the other two. It has a classic Hollywood. would almost technicaler look to it where the other two don't and I can't.

I think it also looks more like low budge or something like it looks like fitting with what you're saying. It just looks some. It's a little gauzy. They made it fast and they did everything they could in camera.

Yeah. You know, just to stay at the 18 million budget. Yeah. And like every shot was storyboarded pretty much before. Yeah, so few effects shots. They knew what they were shooting every day.

But I think it's the best looking. I'm not going to argue. Best shot one. Yeah. I think so too. Because Temple of Doom feels the most on a set, which because it almost entirely was. And I'm not a huge fan of Janus Kaminsky, other than like with saving Private Ryan, but that era of Spiel, the second half of his entire career, when you get Kaminsky shooting Crystal Skull, you can really tell. And it's interesting in its own right, but it doesn't

look like an Indiana Jones movie. Yeah. I like it. Yeah, looking all lush and stuff. So there's a warmer light in it than there should be. In Crystal Skull. Yeah, and it's got that also that some of that desaturation. Right.

He really works with the like oras and halos of people, which in itself is cool, but it just, I remember when I saw it, it felt so weird in this movie, you know. Didn't feel indie-ish. No, it didn't feel like a comic book. When was the last time you guys have seen that movie? Crystal Skel. I haven't seen it. I've seen it a number of times. I haven't seen it since the theater.

I don't hate the movie. I don't hate it. I saw it twice in the theater. So I've seen it twice. Yeah. I'm kind of like looking forward to seeing it again. Yeah, I'm looking forward to talking about it.

Especially the first, maybe third, I think is pretty strong. No, I must have rewashed it like a few years later because I remember liking Mutt more. Yeah. Yeah, he's not bad. Yeah. It's just the baggage you bring knowing Shiaelowel. Booth that makes it a little difficult. Yeah, but like if you don't know Shailabu,

outside of the work he does, he's quite a... I went Shia LaBuff and Lindsay Lohen to be the Robert Downey Juniors of their generation. They're so talented. They just get their shit together. People would welcome them back.

I'm so excited. And they have the talent to do it. But, so what happens after he gets thrown in the naked dews? Is there anything? Well, first they go to the map room at Tannis. Right. Right.

And that's the segment with the sun coming down and the John Williams score. So good. Yeah. You get your first instance of Indiana Jones donning a disguise. Yes. It's also the first time because we saw it on the big screen. I had never noticed on the model on the floor. There's like red writing on one of the buildings that's like,

I can't remember what it says, but like, neat here. It's been vandal. I thought it was like a German saying like it's not here like we've dug here it says something like that but maybe I'm wrong I don't know I think it is Nazi written yeah on the yeah and it seems like some sort of desecration

and whatever they're writing or maybe it's a dig here oh wait well how would they it said something like like nicht like not here it felt like so they must have dug there and it wasn't well because they were already digging because they already had totes half of the right

the staff of raw headpiece yeah also if you're watching that for the first, you know, and you don't know anything about Temple of Doom being a prequel

and why would Indy have skepticism about, you know, weird shit happening. It is just a cool moment, too, if you're watching Raiders,

you see in his eyes just like, he's starting to like, flip out. He's like, this shit is cool. Yeah. He gets a little

that, like, a zealot look in his face. And then they've set up, how did they have the headpiece for so long and then you finally see Tote come up in Heil Hitler. And it's such a perfect reveal of a Heil Hitler

and the reveal that that's how they have it. You also saw that happen and no one puts it together until you see it. Yes. Yes. And then the monkey do it a little high-hielder thing too. Connect those bad guys. Very stupid. I enjoyed that. I know. I know.

Oh, my God. We should, with all these movies, with Raiders particularly take a moment to be like, there was always some stupid shit. Yeah. Like, there was the monkey giving the Nazis, if it had happened to Crystal Skull, you would have been so down on it. That's true, I guess.

But I remember that cracked up the theater when I saw it. Well, he gets his. It's a she. Bad day. They call her a she. Oh. So this like Axis Sally of a monkey that's like a traitor. Yeah.

Yeah, my brain kind of does a weird mix of the, when he's in that hole versus with. he's in the other hole of the snakes. And when he gets... Maproom of Tannis versus the well of souls. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I know that they're... The well of souls, every time I watch it,

like, where's that light coming from? Yes. You mean when they close it, and there's light? Is it not the torches? It's not the torches. Well, also, when he and Sala pull up the arc out of that sarcophagus or whatever, it's just beaming light, and I guess that's God. But is God giving two men the strength the lift that stone,

lid off the thing that is. It's the same thing that's in Marsalis Wallace's briefcase. Oh, yeah, yeah. Before they go in there, somebody pointed out, I had never noticed this, and then I went back and I was like, oh, it's true, that when they start to dig, you can see behind that way far behind them the Nazi

plane that later will be where they have the fist fight. And so if you do kind of like the geography, you're like, oh, they go down there through there and then pop out at the bottom there and stuff. Yeah, because it's all real. Like that whole area was built. Have either of you seen the stunt spectacular in Disney World?

Yes. Kidding me? It's the greatest thing. The plane's there. My dad recorded it on the VHS camera and it's better than Indiana Jones movie. If you're going to put a tape on. I need to take a quick digression because Matt, you may not know about this, but I often talk about this stuntman at Universal Studios that I'm enamored with named Bob Rochelle.

He was in the Old West Stunt Show. Okay. So someone sent me new footage of Bob Rochelle. just being interviewed. And that in itself is glorious. But then I realized this was an hour-long program. And here's what the show is. It's called Young Kid Time.

It's an Australian singer-danger-dancer show. And this episode just starts with these kids waking up and they're on a plane and they're going to Universal Studios Hollywood. The whole hour-long thing is them going on the tour and they'll see some kid watching the Miami Vice Stunt Show and dreaming. I wish I could sing on that. And then they cut to these kids doing song and dances. Then they go in the Battlestar Galactica ride and this girl goes,

oh, she dreams and she sings. And she sings about how like, I love a man who's a robot. Like a robot's the only man for me. And then they do a country song and dance on the Wild West show. Then they go to the Conan one and sing the song from Thunderdome. We don't need another hero. Oh, my God. I'll try to remember to post that link in the show notes.

So whoever sent that to me, it's a goldmine. One of the standards on Goldberg's Tommy, he was a universal stuntman. Who? Tommy, I don't even know what his last name is. Sort of. He has a Conan jacket, crew jacket. Could you still talk to him? I need to know if he knows Bob Rochelle.

Okay. I need to take the look. You were reaching for your phone. I will make that. Do it now. I can make that happen. Do it now. Just for the listeners.

Gorley in his eye has the same look that Jake Joan Hall has in the last scenes of Zodiac. I thought you were going to say that airs and Ford has in the map room. You're seeing the glory of tennis. But that's the same. And I always thought that his, whenever he, like, he had it on one day, we were like out and it was freezing. And he had this Conan Barbarian Stuxo jacket. And I was like, that's the best jacket I've ever seen. How old is he?

He's probably mid-50s. What's his last name? Tom is his name? Yeah. I'll find it. I can find it. Schwarzenegger. A little bit of nepotism there. Tom Rochelle?

Well, I feel pressure in my bladder. Do we want to do a situation where the two of you keep talking and I adjourn and then come back? Sure. You're not on pins and needles and finding out what this guy's name is? Oh, that's not what I was. Yeah. Tom. I'm so curious. I'm sure that. I was going to say that. I'm sure the listeners are riveted by this.

Guys, you're going to find out. Or from Friday 13th, Part 4. Tom, this is hilarious. Am I like in my sent? I'm thinking of John Casino. That's a stuntman. Tom. Now, I've really railroaded this podcast.

I apologize to all the listeners. As Matt looks in his phone and Paul goes pee, I'm left realizing I've screwed myself into... Editing, an immense amount. I think that this is important. This is going to be quite a long podcast. Yeah, we're an hour and 56 in. I should probably... Oh, actually not as long as I thought.

Really? Yeah. You don't have to find it now. I want to find it for you. I mean, also, Paul's not here. So yeah. Should get your daughter on the show? Has she been on the podcast?

Uh, maybe. Henry recorded many a podcast before he could talk. Glenn, come here. Uh, hi. Come here. Do you want to meet Matt? Look, hi. Who's that?

That's Matt. You want me? I'm dadda. Oh, my God. Hello, Mommy. I am just over the moon to be in a home again and see this young, this is a young, beautiful little baby.

Matt's first podcast in person since 2020. Yeah, I've been zooming everything. Why wouldn't you? Right? Except for like something special. Yeah, but then I was like when, hi, are you going to be on the show? Are you going to talk into the microphone?

Can you say hi, Matt? Can you sing sunny day? Mm-hmm. No? How about let it go? Let it go. how about um come on feel the noise okay we're going to get back to it

oh my god she's so adorable we all love you so we're going to see you too thank you listeners for indulging I mean that is pure indulgence oh what time is it okay we'll be done yeah oh good god if we're not oh She wants the podcast. Oh, no. She's got the gene.

She's in her blood. Oh, no. I love you. She wants me to... I want to do my own version of, You must remember this. Carolina Longwood is our inspiration. All right, Matt, I'm not going to force you to look any different.

I mean, look, I'm just trying to get back on the Wi-Fi here. seem to have changed it apparently. Oh, maybe. Okay. Snake, snakes. Snake, snake. What were you going to? What was another part that?

No, I think we're in the well of souls at this point. Yeah. The famous line, Asps, very dangerous. You go first. Yeah. And I realized that was right next to snakes.

Why don't it have to be snakes? Yes. Snakes, why don't have to be snakes? I was like, holy shit. This is like a gold mine here. And then, yeah, love her. How they get out. Love the like scaring your sister part of just like she goes into a tube of bubby's and gets like it's such a funny.

When they're lifting the arc, it made me really miss the great movie ride also. Oh, yes. Because that scene was in there. And depending on which train you got on, that would be where your tour guide came back. Oh, really? I love it. Where did you get that? him

and then they come out and when they come out you see that little guy who's he's laying against the wall of the hole they come out and it's a deleted

moment where it's a joke where he's standing there it sounds funny the cube gets pushed out and Indy and Mirriot are there and the guy thinks because they were in that tomb

they're like zombies or something so he like passes out oh god one thing I love He's knocked out in the back there. I love that the certain seams you can see in this movie are actually to its benefit. So when they push that big brick out and it falls to the ground, it falls out of frame, makes a huge, like, thump noise. But you can see the shadow of it and it bounces.

Yeah. That I was like, oh, that, so you're pushing a stone that has been in place for two and a half thousand years. Yeah. No problem. just like, no problem. If he has all this super strength, why isn't he just like, you know? Well,

I saw a cool, um, collative learning is a YouTube collative learning. I don't know how to pronounce it. It's a YouTube channel that is one of my... Sounds like you need to do some collotative learning. It's one of my very favorites.

He is one of the OG film analysis. his stuff on the Shining is the text that everybody uses to read the Shining. He's not in Room 2.37. He said he didn't want to be. So he did a whole video. I didn't either. I did, but they didn't ask. He does this whole thing about Raiders being that starting with him opening up the book to the right page, you could read the movie as, and I don't usually love this sort of stuff like, Cameron.

doesn't actually exist in Ferris Bueller. But it's that the ark does have God's power with it. It doesn't want it to go to the Nazis. It can't outright do things, but it's going to help Indy along the way and give him some extra power when he needs it to do the thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, God is on Indy's side.

I mean, it's truly obviously supernatural. Like, God exists in this movie. canonically, yes. It can burn a swastika no box. Yeah. So then we're on to the horse and buggy chase. The horse chase is amazing. Although it is very funny when they switch to that wide shot overhead of indie running out on the horse through the crowd.

And the hat suddenly is floppy to cover his face. Yeah. What will you do? I don't know. I'm making this up as I go along. Yeah, the fist fight into the horse jumping onto the truck. It still has tension. Yeah.

It's still even after knowing how this thing goes and having seen it so many times, you're watching on a big screen with the sound and everything. And the music, it's just like, everything's like, oh, God, what's going to happen? How's you going to get out of this? And the relentnesses, and it repeats the way he does the same thing to the guy that he did to him. Yes. And he's shot in the arm, perfect squib.

Also, like, what are we talking about? It is good. guy back there like what's his deal do you think he's like he was like the unit commander and just didn't want to have to get out there and do that because those soldiers are ancient they're like 65 year old dude yeah because they're old Hollywood stuntmen there is like a there's a couple beats where he gets his own story you know what I mean yeah and he's like oh fuck I guess I'm gonna go do this yeah wait there's two major things we haven't even talked about first of the famous story of the Cairo swordsman and indie like having dysentery that's day so they had a big fight choreographed in me. It's a little disgust that the swordsman actually had diarrhea and was vomiting. But he was willing to go through with it. Yeah. He was like Harrison.

You didn't even have a beard. He was vomiting hair. And then we even talked about the plane fight with the bald crushing German. Yes. We were starting to get there when I brought up the stunt spectacular. Oh, I got so excited about when you saw the plane on the stunt show, how is that? How is that done? So they're having the fist fight and it blows up?

They're having the fist fight, uh, dodging. They're, the, oh, I remember the sound cues are there. The big punches come over the speakers when they're fighting. And I'm trying to remember how the plane, it's something, the gas thing gets knocked down in the studs spectacular. And then the plane, the plane blows up as they're running from it. I don't remember what happens at all. Yeah, no, the plane blows up though. Yeah.

love that stunt show is still grandfathered into the era of every stunt show has to have the fourth wall broken so they have to be making a movie or have a character that plays the stage manager that comes out and goes and cut now in a really Hollywood action spectacular this would yeah yeah yeah so there's a guy playing a director who's wearing oh my god yes yes yes on a crane yeah and they have that like whole the whole uh they have that spiel of like oh that was a real good take John how do you feel and he's like great ready to go again yeah who are these people why why are is there a bleacher full of audience on our shoot today why are there a bunch of kids and and shitty shorts and and the ad that is our that conveys the first ad usually is the one who's

talking to the audience yeah always has a name like jamie that could be a boy or girl oh right that Myra, you are the best knowing that. I'm Jamie, the first AD. Hey, I saw, Emily Jamie last week, last summer when I came out. Very suspicious. My favorite, that airplane fist fight scene, I think, has my favorite comic moment in the Raiders is when that guy comes down. He's like, okay, India, I'm going to fight you.

And you see, Indiana does me like, okay, just like, give me a moment and I'll get up and I'll fight you. Believe it, like you could get away with that. Also, when he, his knees buckle when he gets hit the first time and he does like a comic kind of like, yeah, oh, whoa. Yes. Yeah. We got Frank Marshall in the cockpit, the producer. Yeah.

That's Frank Marshall? I didn't know that. Yeah. It's a cool. Yeah, and then it feels like a real. What happens in that with the, with the, he gets killed by his own bullet, right? Yeah. She uses those.

blocks at some point to conch him out and then a bullet ricochets through the cabin or am I thinking of last crusade with the bullet? Thank you. The guy who's doing the tank and he's all shot up

when it ricochets. He's the same guy. He's doing the same thing. Thank you. But when it's the same point in Doom when they go from tunnel, the train track to the bridge

where I go, whoa, this is like no other action movie. It's the same when they go from the fist fight plane thing. to the truck chase is like most action movies don't do this where usually go

okay action sequence boring part action sequence but when you're a kid it's like two pieces of candy in a row and this movie was going to have the mine car chase

originally that is in Temple of Doom out of the tomb that they're in right yeah yes yeah that would have been so much to the budget yeah oh they were going to yeah it was the track that they used to deliver the art to the

Nazi vehicles. They were going to use like the shoot to get it out of there and then they used that to but yeah that little... Look him him hanging underneath that car, underneath the truck rather. It's still incredible. And holding that car

emblem and stuff. Oh, I didn't explain. You brought up at the very beginning that so we bought our back got our tickets for the movie and then my in-laws who were visiting my wife's mom and her husband. They're visiting for a month.

It is so great having them here, especially with their granddaughter. It's really a special time. And we're talking. I'm like, oh, I'm going to go see Raiders because we were watching

close encounters. I was like, oh, I'm going to actually see Raiders in a couple days. And they're like, well, that sounds fun.

And so they bought tickets and they were, by chance, in the exact same row as us. It's adorable. It's amazing. It's really terrific. But,

what reminded me of that just now was when the movie ended, they both had such a light in their eyes about that truck chase. It's still like so cool. And also Leslie, um, uh, my wife, uh,

she's Jewish and her mom and her mom's, uh, husband is. And there is a particular, uh, and you know, as being the husband of a Jewish woman and the father, father,

father of, father of a Jewish daughter. daughter, father of a Jewish daughter, there in these times, in these white nationalist times, there is a true fucking joy to see Indiana Jones punch the

shit out of the faces of Nazis. Not just melting them, but like punching them over and over is real sad to that. Punching sound effect of all things. But also, you know, I wasn't like necessarily like physically or emotionally bullied

growing up, but I think there's a huge kick to that movie of just like anybody who feels small, feeling bigger than the big guy. There's some point in that movie where it starts with him getting chased by a big boulder and he's so tiny. But by the end, he's just like punching bald guys. You feel so... I've joked before. I'm like, I wasn't into sports or comic books. So I never had this strong man fixation that boys must have or they either have to be a jock or a superhero.

but I was like, oh, wait, no, Indiana is my favorite thing. Clearly I love Strongman, like that wish fulfillment. The Nazis are the best villains, and I think, do you think that the Dial of Destiny, which I know the Nazis are the villains in that,

even though it's 69? Oh, I didn't know that. Do you think that was sort of like the starting point? You don't think Nazis 69ed? Oh, my God. I know they didn't. They had sex in nine. Nine.

They're 69ed. Noin sixth. But versus the, thugies in doom and the... Yeah, but I think this time they probably went, like, we've learned our lesson. Temple of Doom, Crystal Skull. Communists, right? What was it? Russian communists?

Yeah, we got to get back to Nazis. How do we do it? And I don't know what the flashback element of it is, but I know that the 1969 Nazi thing actually, I think, works pretty well. Yeah. What I know of it. There's a dial and it's of destiny.

But I believe all of that time. I like that the odd numbered ones have Nazis that they I know. Even numbers have not Nazis. And they're probably the better films. Yeah. I mean, when I saw it in college, it had been a long time since I had watched Raiders and whatever I, whatever sophisticated moral code I had built up by that point since I had last seen Raiders,

I remember being like, honey, it's killing a lot of people. Oh, they're Nazis. And that's like what everybody does when they watch the movie. It's the best to go to Earth. You can just go. They're inhuman. It's okay. They're not human.

You know, at Disney World, they have, they, they, They used to have the swastika on the plane. And now they've painted over that. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Like, it's just red. Mickey Mouse's head.

I know. It's Mouse. M-A-U-S. I mean, he's black, white, and red color. No. Hey, so is Coca-Cola and the white stripes. And they're all products of Nazis. Yeah.

Just, it's marketing. Okay. So then, yeah, after that, then the, is that one the... We're on the boat. It is wild that, um, again, flying in the face of a convention. That is the... the big action sequence for the rest of the movie then is the truck chase. After that, it is boat and then getting to the final...

Boat ghosts. Boat ghosts. The little scene between Indian Marion and the stateroom of the boat is really great. It's not the years. It's the mileage and just the mirror thing and the here. By the way, in my mind that that boat captain is Kananga's dad. I know because what's his name? It's something very close to that.

It's awesome. It's very close to that. Yeah. And he's like, because I feel like, I feel like Cananga's dad was a good person, but then something happened with Cananga where he was too spoiled. Yeah, because I feel like, like, you know, you naturally think, oh, is it Coral? Because Coral also had a boat.

Yeah. It's not Coral. Because Coral was like, yeah. Coral's like just like living in the, fucking Jamaica, having a great time. I also love that Sal is just singing Gilbert and Sullivan sucks. That is very, I never, I did not remember that. A British song is a soaring soul. Listen to these baritones here.

My two tenors. Then we got the submarine. I found him where? There. Weirdest delivery. Oh, that scene when they're in the room together though. Like, I thought it, I was thinking about it after we got traders. I was like, if my favorite action sequence is the bar shoot.

out. And my favorite funny moment is when he has to get up and fight the guy again. My favorite, not just romance moment, but I think just favorite scene in Raiders is that scene between the two of them. It's really so sweet, well-written, and oh my gosh, you'd be so cold-hearted to watch that scene and not be affected in some way. You're probably a Nazi if you're not affected by that. So we received the first cut, he pointed at his day. Oh, geez. It hurts right here. and Lucas was like, come on, guys, grow up. But the people next to me was like a dad who obviously loved Indiana Jones and brought,

and the mom too loved Indiana Jones. Then they brought their kids to watch Raiders. So I got to have that experience with this city next to me the whole time. And they were, once it started getting going and like the 20 minute mark, I could see these kids were hugged. I was like, God, it's so awesome. It still holds its power, yeah.

But with that, I don't know if you heard it when he went, it's not the years, it's the wild. I heard a little next to me. that's right I did hear that the dad being like what it wasn't it wasn't someone doing it with their mouth

no a kid farted but it was like pure film criticism he did it on purpose like when they switch baskets I don't think so we looked out as Janet Maslin making a critique

but yes then after that then the submarine and then the punching the guy, the hat flipping up. Yeah. Also, when they say, where is he? He's there. And you see him kind of salute when he's running over the top of the sub. I love that.

Yes. What were you saying about the weird line delivery? I found him. Where? There. It's just very stilted that whole little exchange. Yes. Yeah, you're right.

Because he's also staring that same place. He's not like he changes his viewpoint. It's either he's looking at him or he's not. It's like that we'll come back with the dogs guy and Dr. No. Yeah. We'll go back with the dogs. Yeah.

That doesn't really match anything that's happening here. It could be the same guy. Why are you delivering it like that? Same guy, maybe. It's his father. Yeah, and then we have the opening of the arc with some dated but wonderful special effects. So you have the kind of like the dye in a tank to create the clouds and then the swirling lights. The actors were all wired with those lights in their sense.

suits and I love poltergeist and this is all like poltergeisty yeah and then ILM early 80s paranormal stuff is and the ghost turning to the like ghoul and then of course

the head exploding and the face melting with the famous wax right actually shot one frame a second is that right yeah oh whoa cool yeah

put a heat lamp on it shot at one frame a second yeah and then with Bella's head exploding. That was going to get them in our rating. Right.

And they had to put, that's why they put the, there's like a, yeah, there's like a light over that, like a foggy cloud thing over that. They did that and then the MPA is like, yeah,

okay. Right. And what happens to, what's the other Nazis name, Fritz? Is that what he gets, he deflates. He shrinks,

yeah, okay, yeah. The like Ed Bagley Jr. looking guy. Yeah. Because that was a thing they built and then just sucked the air out of it. It's so funny how they all get different.

Why wouldn't they all melt or explode? Maybe it's based on your childhood. Whatever your worst fear was. How much you believe or don't. I mean, it is like the best end to killing bad guys seen in any, like if every movie ended with the bad guy opening up a box that built his face, you're like, that's an A plus movie. And they go from such a huge climax too. and we got this thing to

we're just going to put it in the warehouse is the biggest fuck you that is so good and an amazing mat painting That's the 70s movie part of it Yeah exactly You can almost compare the each ending Yeah because fortunate to the vibe Because the second one, Temple of Doom

is full on short round riding an elephant surrounded by children And he's dipping Kate Capschon The village has come back to life It's all colorful It looks like the 1984 Olympics Yeah. And then 1989 is the riding off in the sunset.

And this is such a cynical Phil Kaufman sort of ending. I'm just like, hey, they're going to... The good things aren't ever going to come to you. Yeah. But when they're melting and stuff... And then, yeah, the not looking... What was it going to say? Oh, oh, oh, with the head exploding.

You know, the Temple of Doom was like, after that, they had to come up with PG-13, that and Gremlins, because they were two like Spielberg movies. People came trusting the Spielberg brand, expecting E.T. And they got something else. I'm like, you saw Poltergeist and Jaws, right? Like, you know, it's not always cuddly. Yeah, yeah.

And the first Raiders is pretty. Yeah. But, you know, the MPAA is. is a self-governed. He's self-governed arm. It's not the U.S. governments. It's the own industries. And so I love it.

Their spectrum on what is correct and okay is entirely based on, is this person making money for, like, hey, if they're making lots of money for the studios, let's not get in the way of that. So you have like, David Crow, Brodiburg making scanners, a guy

heads blows up and it's like, you're gonna get an X if you don't tone this shit down, David Cronerberg. And then it's like, hey, this guy, he's pretty cool. We're all really happy with his movies.

Could you just like put a little fog in front of it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Great, PG. Well, any last thoughts? I have to watch my daughter, so we should probably wrap it up. I apologize about that. Sounds like that could be a line

and dial of destiny. I hope so. I have to watch my daughter, mutts sister. I have to watch my daughter put on the hat and the coat. And whip all you people who don't like the woke things. How do we rate this thing, three Shankara stones out of five indie movies? How do you? I mean, is this, is this, if it's in the franchise, I feel like we can just go on zero to double O to 007.

Okay. That makes sense. That is perfect. I love that. Keep it there. I'm easy on this. I'm, how do I go higher than a seven?

I'm a seven. You can't. 007 for me as well. Licensed to kill. Yeah, 007 for me. That's a 0021 between all of us. Wow.

Blackjack. Will anything beat it? I don't know. I don't think so. I don't think so. We'll see. Diala Destiny could be amazing. Look,

here's what I'll say about that. Mangle, first of all, everybody involved, like, Feedweller Bridge, I think is brilliant. Mangled after Logan.

I'm like, you can do whatever we want. Mads-Michelson? This is, yes. La Schief? Come on. Oh, I'm not, my heart is open to it being good. Yeah. I don't think it'll necessarily, I'm not expecting it to be bad.

I was just saying it's different. It's, I can't say it's, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just, it's, it's one of these is not like the other. Yeah. It's mostly because of the people behind the scenes not being the same. But I have a hunch. Crystal skull's already been not like the other, so it can't be worse. I have a hunch.

I might like it more than Crystal skull. I think the thing I'm prepping myself for. That's probably going to be the case. I'm going to like it more than Temple of Doom. Damn, I love that heart. Wow. I love that. Well, we'll find out more.

We'll be back with Temple of Doom sometime in a month or so. Indiana Jonesing will return. Yes. And please, please, look, when Indy goes and grabs the stones and he salutes the snake, does that snake move? Look out. That's a rusty watch out for this. We'll see you next time.

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