James Bonding - INDIANA JONESING: TEMPLE OF DOOM

Episode Date: April 18, 2023

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Matt and Matt and James Bonding Podcast. Myra Gorely, Gorely, Mara. James Bonding podcast, it's the James Bonding podcast. It's the James Bonding podcast. I don't mind stealing rocks from the hands of Mola Rom. Wow. And I'm going hungry. We can't pick this up.

I'm going hungry. We're here to talk about Indiana Jones and the Temple of the Dog. No, no, man. I'm pretty sure. What? You've got the wrong movie. What, come on.

And I already did that joke when you came in. Yeah. And what did I say? They didn't hear it. Yeah, I said, save those pearls for the pod. We'll spare no joke. This is Indiana Jonesing. I'm Matt Goreley.

I'm Amair. I'm Paul Rust. And just like Temple of Doom was some leftover in the best way, set pieces from Raiders at Los Arc. They said, save those pearls for a sequel. We said to you, save that pearl of a joke. Yeah. And we'll use the temple.

I think the results were similar. Yes. Mixed at best. The most controversial Indiana Jones movie until Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, would you guys agree? I would say that a lot of people agreed on the Crystal Skull situation. I just mean, yeah, not controversial. So maybe you're right.

Maybe this was the bastard child of the franchise until Kingdom of the Crystal Skull came along and made this thing look like the golden boy. It was like, hold my beer. Yes. But I will tell you, I always have and always will be a fan of this movie. It's problematic. It's not perfect. But like Return of the Jedi, it exists in a way that I cannot watch it critically.

I only watch it with my child brain. for better or for worse you know it had been it had been so long since I've sat through the movie really front to back front to back

I'm saying that what kind of a language is that that's a little teaser well it had not been a long time since I pleasurably experienced the bliss of watching this movie I was this part of it

where I was like I kept looking around and I was alone watching it my wife had like was in her office doing something And I was like, no one else? This is gross. Like, just to myself. You were doing like gym, office, side takes to the camera.

Yeah. Yeah. That's my whole character. Well, it's good. Anything you remember that being a particular, like, side eye look to the dog? I mean, it was, it was really everything at the palace that just, like, killed me inside and outside. I get it. And, you know, this one really beggars belief when you get to the mine chase and things like that.

What I love about it is like the depiction of the Indian people. You think now, oh, that's kind of offensive. You know, it's a caricature of them. A different time in the early 80s. And then you read about it and you realize that India was like, this is offensive. You can't shoot here. Right. Yeah.

So they shot in Sri Lanka. So it always was a little like. Yeah. And you would like to end this with the British Army saving the day with its colonial troops. I see. Obviously. Yes. Yeah, Matt, you point out something, which is like, yeah, anytime somebody goes like, oh, you know what, it was a different time.

And people didn't think about those things. I'm like, I assure you there were plenty of people. Did you ask the actual people? Yes. Yes. At the time who thought, oh, this is some f-ed-up stuff. Yeah. Well, what about you, Paul?

I love it. Now, not to say I love it. because of it's problematic stuff. And I don't even know how you say, you can't go, oh, problematic stuff aside. I love it. I know you can't break it off as cleanly as that.

It is a sort of thing of like, oh, Temple of Doom was the first Indiana Jones movie I saw. Right. Yeah, of course. Yeah. You never forget your first. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

And it was built for, you know, the age I was when I saw it, which is five. Six. So any, any nightmares or like, were you scared by it at all? Because this is the horror, Indy. That's true. We rented it, I think, for Christmas morning.

Christmas even to Christmas morning or something like that. We had it night in the morning and I woke up in the morning hearing my dad talking about it with my older sister, both Hugh Ginny and a Jones fans. I think my sister had seen in the theater. Uh-huh. And my dad had watched some of it on video last night. And the prep I heard. Now, I don't even know any Indiana Jones existed.

Okay, okay. Oh, I'm just picturing five-year-old Paul Russ kind of like standing outside the kitchen door. It's warming my heart. It's warmer than when that guy's heart bursts sunfire. Well, just so you know, I was wearing a little New York Yankees captain. But so I was overhearing their buzz, which was like, that was so. some pretty, like, they were talking about how crazy it is. Yeah.

And how, like, crazy is in, I guess what they were basically saying is, like, how visceral it was. Yeah. And then we went downstairs into the basement to all watch it as a family. And this is amazing. The main thing I remember is the hand going in the chest and pulling out the heart. And I would say, that would stick with you. That plus same basement watching Superman 3 at the end when the lady got turned into a robot. Sure.

Those were the two big. I watched them and I'm like, uh, they, yeah, they were, they were your Halloween, Matt Worley.

Did you, did you get any nightmares from them or anything like that? No, it was probably one of those things of, uh, the only, when Bruce Wayne sees a big bat in a cave and he wants to dress up as bad bad. I was like,

I love horror stuff now. Give me more. I want to watch all of it. The only movie ever had nightmares from, uh, was Bill and Ted's bogus journey. Because of the Grim Reaper? The robot uses.

Oh, yeah. The evil robot uses. And more so I found terrifying was the good robot uses. Because those are the ones that were made in the parking lot that didn't, that were like, they were not the uncanny valley. They were just like robot versions of Keanu Reeves. Oh, yeah. Oh, those are terrified. It's the same thing as the Superman 3.

Yeah, that was. This weird uncanny valley transformation thing that like messes up kids. What's your origin story with Temple of Doom, Matt? Temple of Doom was first seen thanks to Columbia House. Oh, so you did Columbia video? Yeah. Bold. Bold.

We. Yeah. My mother did it. Whoa. I was very fond of doing that. So exciting. Getting any kind of male period is exciting as exciting. Oh, but it would be a videotape?

And it did get it. And it was always the fun of like, are we going to keep it this month? You know, so you'd open it up and it'd be like, this one was Temple of Doom. And it's like, oh, this is a keeper. Yes. This is a keeper. as in retrospect yeah obvious that we'd keep it

but when I was watching it as a child it was touch and go really because it was so gross gross or scary like gross so you were grossed out by it grossed out by the dinner scene yeah and it still to his day because I'm like yeah this is like

you think this is gross just wait a second check that out that's pretty gross right hey yeah watch this it's just like builds the ladder of it does it builds It builds like in the way that it's supposed to build. Yeah.

But it's just like even in my adult brain, I'm like, this is fucking ridiculous. Yeah. This movie is ridiculous. I find it wonderfully ridiculous. Oh, my God. It is especially on the heels of raiders. My favorite genre of food outside of the food I grew up with, which was mostly like Italian Spanish.

My favorite food is Indian food. I love Indian food. I love chicken Vindaloo all day long. Remember that place we went in England? Yes. You guys ate at a... All they have there is curries. Oh, we went to DeSum in London when we were there for the podcast festival.

Best Indian food I have ever had. Maybe some of the best food I've ever had. Incredible. Yeah. Yeah. But, and like... Chilled monkey brains, everything. It was so good.

Snake surprise. Snake surprise. The surprise is more snakes. Slugs. Like soup. Yeah. Every time. Like that's where I'm just like

This is I loved it so much And I had bugs for lunch And I still And you still had bugs at dinner Yes I did So gawly What was your first?

I may have told this story before So I'll make it short But I was This movie came on Yeah My babysitter Turn out the lights And made me watch it

No This movie came out On my actual birthday In 1984 I was turning 11 And I got in trouble And we had plans to go see it on my birthday,

and my parents grounded me and said, you're not going to get to see Indiana Jones on your birthday. And I was devastated. What did you do? Well,

what did you do? I would start that house on fire. Luckily, my grandpa died. Oh, no! Which is not what I mean. You killed your grandfather? No wonder you couldn't see Indiana Jones. Because it was such an emotional time,

my parents took pity on me and surprised me on my birthday because everybody, I think, needed something positive. And we went off. Positive. Just a snake surprise. So you guys went and saw this like unrelenting, like brutal.

I know, I know, but it is such a funny like. I ate it. And we went to the La Marada Mall Theater. And this was back in the day when a Star Wars or an indie would come out, you could buy a program, like almost like you're going to Broadway. And it was a thick, you know, soft cover magazine style, but with a binding. And I still have that program from Indiana Jones. And there's like behind the scenes photos. And I saw it.

And I just fucking loved it. I was 11. It was all the things. I mean, in some ways, this movie affected me more than Raiders because I know I saw Raiders in the theater, but I don't have a memory of it. This I have such a solid memory of. And all the mind chase and everything, it was just heaven. And I think I was obviously sad because of my grandpa.

So all of that is connected. And that's why this one especially, I can't not see it as an 11-year-old. None of the remorse for what you had done wrong the day before. I don't even remember what that was. That's what I want to know. That's like where I'm that? Because like that's a big swing to take with an 11-year-old of like, you're seeing Indiana Jones. Oh, yeah.

You've done something. You're not seeing Indiana Jones. But clearly my grandfather wasn't well. I think my parents recently divorced. I was obviously going through some shit. Sure. Don't ground me. They need more movies.

Well, and the fact that maybe you don't remember it was sort of how inconsequential. Oh, I remember now. I rob the bank. Oh, okay. Okay. With the heat boys. You got the definition of like escapeism in that moment. It sounds like maybe you guys were all kind of dealing with some heavy shit.

And then for two hours, people get to go and go on a ride. You admit to the North Hollywood bank robbery and suddenly helicopters overhead. I don't remember. I may be misremembering this, but I even want to say, did my mom and my dad take me together even though they were divorced? No, it couldn't have been. Much like the ramshackle family. family trio of short round

Willie and indie. And Molaram? Creepy Uncle Molarab. Do you remember anything from the audience response? Because the only indie movie I got to see first release was Crystal Skull. You didn't even see Last Crusoe?

Yes, I do. I remember specifically I've mentioned this before on the podcast before, but I grew up in a neighborhood where there's a kid named Johnny Carson and Steve Martin. So Johnny. That's a long first name. Johnny and Jeff Carson's mom, Judy, saw it. And she was like, well, I just can't believe his head was going into that rock crusher.

And he gets closer and closer. And every time they cut back, he's farther and farther. Criticizing the editorial work of a Michael Kahn. Let me ask you guys this, because that was one of the moments I was able to put away my childhood brain and watch it critically. how much of that is just borrowing on that kind of editing style from the shitty cereals? Or are they really... Is that intentional?

It's the fun. It's meant to be that. It's a attention bill. When they finally cut back to Indy, he's not even two feet away. He's eight feet away from that thing suddenly again. Yeah. And I think it's also trying to get around that it's all...

Once you notice, you can't unsee that it's all Vic Armstrong most of the time because it was... Oh, right. Harrison Ford was back in America getting back surgery. So that's like they were spending their three weeks or however long on this like a little conveyor bell. It was out for a month. Wow. Which is wild to think about.

He looks so good in this movie. Yeah, you wouldn't know yet. Yeah. Which is like. Too bad it wasn't Harrison back strong. If you think about it in those. I don't even need to think about it. I agree.

And now I'm thinking about it. I still agree. I didn't even notice the Vic Armstrong's. That's how, like, taken I am by this movie. I was thinking about David Letterman always saying that he bought his first car at Harrison Ford. Kills me every time. Every time he was on, every time Harrison Ford was on the late show or late night, he would say that to him. I bought my first quint hat at Kate Capshaw.

Oh, nice. I have a quint hat. That's going to take a while. What was I? I'm going to say about Kate Capsha. There was a lot of like, I remember because again, it had been so long as I've watched the movie all the way through this. I used to catch pieces

of it all the time on like HBO and stuff and I'd watch it as long as it wasn't at the gross dinner scene. Right. But like I remember everybody talking about Kate Capsha not being good and I'm like again watching it as a adult I was like, she's great. Yeah, I don't have an issue with this either. The character's written.

Yes, exactly. Yeah. There's, the script is not altogether great for many reasons. And she is a victim of that, I think. You know, same with, I mean, well, this one just gets crazy with voodoo and fire cures the blood trance. And, you know, there's a, I have a lot of, I did step out aside a couple times. You notice when the short round burns Indy and gets him free. Right before that, he burns another guy.

And I'm just like, I want to see the Rosencrantz and Guildenstern where that guy falls down. It's like, how do I get here? I was just having bug lunch. and suddenly I'm a thuggy cult member? Holy shit. I've got a wife and kids. Bug lunch. It's funny because it's like bagged lunch, but it's bug lunch.

Bug lunch. Well, I mean, should we just go through it? I think starting with the best opening of any Indian Jones, any Jinji Jones movie for me. And I love the first one. Yeah, I don't think anything beats the first one for me. I mean, this will probably be a refrain throughout this because it was my first indie.

love so much of it. It casts such a shadow then over watching Raiders, watching Last Crusade because it satisfied whatever, you know, six-year-old part of me or whatever when I was fully watching this movie over and over again. Now as I grown up, I'm like, oh, Raiders is a masterpiece. Yes. And this is like a fun thing in the world of Indiana Jones.

So same thing with this. It's like, oh, there's that opening of Raiders, I feel like is unbeatable, in my opinion. You know, you're absolutely right. But the Temple of Doom one is probably my second favorite. It's like seeing this and you're watching it like, oh, Spielberg got to do that. And I didn't realize how.

I wanted to get a giant musical scene. Yeah. How much when I was a kid, I knew it emotionally but not intellectually, how bond this opening was down to his tucks and all that. Oh, God, I just love. Yeah, that, well, yeah, what you were saying about like how it's just like, oh, he can make a, Spielberg can make a musical.

The whole movie from beginning to end, it's like, okay so this is the movie after E.T. He's making it during the success of E.T. in the aftermath of that. And so... And he's falling in love with Kate Capshot. Yeah. Full height of powers

both personally and... Male prowess. Yeah, yeah. Male prowess. Yeah, maybe too powerful. Well, what I love it, I mean, it's like, well, you know, obviously, the literal, it's like anything goes,

but then to also sing it in a different language, like anything goes, anything goes is such a flex move. I never can put that together. Just the statement of we're starting this movie with buckle up. Anything Up. Anything Goes. Jesus Christ. To the extent that they go into a huge pink open void that can't exist in Club

Obi-One. They're doing front-wise and backwards. They're having individual scarves form into one big scarf. She comes back. I mean, I love it all. It's just if you love bonkers shit. I know. And even as an 11-year-old, I watched that and went, I understand this is theatricality. This is not supposed to be real. Why was I still bothered by some of the editing later? I don't know. Because that was fine for me. I don't know why. Well, and if you just look at it in terms of that career, it's like after E.T, he could have made a boring, like, or an E.T.

E.T.2 nocturnal fears. Yeah. But no, he just like pranks it up a notch. And the movie is just like so like, I'm putting my foot down on. your neck and you're just like, they enjoy this like crazy ride. Oh, I love this movie. You know you've always wanted to see a 30s musical brought to life in 1987. That's the thing.

You didn't know that. And then they showed it to you and you knew it. And that's such a good song too. It's Cole Porter. It's like amazing. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like beautifully, it's like one of these songs that everybody knows. So you're not like lost in the Mandarin of it all. Yeah. I'm sort of like,

I know the songs. I can hum that too. I only knew the Mandarin version. Is there an English version? There is. It came out a couple years before. Okay. I see. And what do you guys think of those baddies at the beginning? They're pretty cool. Oh, they're good. And we haven't even talked about the Paramount logo.

You think you're like, oh, yeah, Raiders, another mountain, I'm sure. Well, it is a mountain. But hold on. There's a twist. It's a gong. It's a gong. Did you ever expect a fucking gong? No. I, you know, as build, I don't expect a gong in the movie. No. Suddenly I'm getting gong fever. Yeah.

And a logo dissolved. Oh my God. Did you first saw? Did you get gong fever? Did you get gong fever? You never watch the gong show the same again. I have a paramount update, a logo update, I think, on this. We discussed it, part five. Yeah.

Somebody pointed out on Reddit that on the new poster in the corner, there's a paramount logo because they have some distribution rights. And the subject title was, we're getting our paramount. And everybody was like so thrilled. So I think we could count on it. But do they get to go last? I just, I don't usually get,

you're not even going to believe this when I say. I rarely get sincerely with no irony or cynically that nerdy about things. I am so happy to hear that. I understand. Wow. What if it's like, I mean, what, so will it be, Disney. They'll go Lucasfilm, I bet first, then Disney, then Paramount.

And it'd be funny if they fucked with everybody and went Disney last and then faded to a real castle that looked like a castle. Yeah, we've talked about that. And Mickey Ballast is chasing goofy around it. Imagine the balls if they went Paramount and then the Paramount faded into the Buena Vista Mountain of that logo. Matterhorn. What if it opens in Harrison Ford is bored out of his mind in Disneyland. which I have seen firsthand. I ran into Harrison Ford at Disneyland one time.

Are you serious? Yeah, I had just passed him in the crowd. Are you thinking about his animatronic guy in the indie ride? Oh, I've spent some time with him. I know he just passed me when I was doing that dumb push the talking trash can and he just walked right by me and he just looked exhausted. Maybe he thought you were R2D2 and he was like, I can't deal with this. Talk to enough trash cans. But has Harrison Ford ever look better in this white tucks descending this staircase?

I don't think he has. Yeah. I think he looks the best in this movie. There's a Schwada V that you cannot put a title to. It's just there's a something else happening. Oh, yeah. That red carnation. Is he divorced by this point or is he married?

Because he has Bachelor energy in this movie somehow. Harrison? Yeah. I think he's freshly married. agreed to Melissa Matheson. Oh, at this point. Yeah, having kids. Okay, then he's got-

What you're feeling is George Lucas. George Lucas was going through the divorce when he was figuring out what this movie would be. So maybe Harrison Ford is like happy family energy. In a sort of some potency out of him. Day F. Kill kind of way. All three of those guys were going, Spielberg's falling in love with Kate Capshaw.

Harrison Ford is committed post-Cary Fisher to Melissa Matheson. They're going to have kids. George Lucas is in a divorce. Yeah. Let's fuck Mary Kill both Spielberg, Lucas, and Harrison Ford. I love this. And then I got one after this real quick.

Have we even said this is Indiana Jonesy? What year is this? This year. It's 84. Yes, this is Indiana Jonesy. Okay, okay, okay. Before we get the date for kill, Harrison Ford is George. So it's 1884 them.

We're covering 1973's live and let die. Yes, it's 1988 for them. I would kill Lucas. fuck Ford and Mary Spielberg. I mean, killing Lucas does save us a lot of headaches later in life. Yeah, he's done his work. We've gotten all we need for Lewis. It's Howard the Duck and beyond.

Yeah. So kill Lucas, just because at that point, yeah. Yeah. He's done his service. I'd probably go to the capture route, Mary Spielberg of all the, that's what I was. Of all three of them. Yeah. Oh, Mary Spielberg F.

Harrison Ford. Yeah. Because I think Ford might be. a slightly grouchy spouse. Oh, and I think if you know, you sign up marrying Harrison Ford or Indiana Jones or that matter.

You're marrying a guy who's going to cat around. That's just, you don't want to marry that. Is 84 Lucas bearded or chinless? Both. Okay, and here's my other one.

Fuck Mary Kill. Raiders indie, Temple of Doom, Indy, last crusade indeed. The irony though is that I grow a beard to hide my second chin. I've got a few in here myself. No, no, I'm going to grow one to create the illusion. Lucas does that thing that I think guys

think they should be doing to have a stronger jawline, but it does a disservice where they trim the beard up to their jawline. and it just exposes that lost nas neck he has. That was the biggest consequence of his divorce was not having a missus there to be like, dude, let's talk about the facial hair situation before we go out to this party today. Yes.

I think it looks beautiful. I'm going to... I think it looks beautiful, Marsha. Wow. Better go up to the surface of Nabu now. Uh, uh, the, um, oh yeah, the, um, so going back to what were you say? Oh, the logo and the, oh, F. Mary kill, uh, the, the incarnations of the trilogy. I'm gonna, I'm gonna fuck Temple of Doom, Indy, because he's just looking lean, mean.

I'm gonna kill Raiders, Indy, hear me out. It's not that I don't like the character, but I don't think he's sticking around. I think I'm gonna marry Last Crusade Indy because he's, he's kind of got closure on his daddy issues and I think he's going to be a better husband. I was going to say precisely, he's worked out his daddy. Marriage material. Marion Ravenwood decided to marry, believe it or not, Crystal Skull and the image of Jones. Right.

Right. But that's not in the equation. She also wanted to settle down with Raiders Indy and look where that went. That's what we're all in for. If you want to marry Raiders Indy, be my guest, but he's not sticking around. For one thing, he's going to end up with. Oh, no. Oh, my gosh.

God, to cruise around on a first day. on that motorcycle. Baby. Oh, so cool. F. Mary, Kill, Marion, Willie, Ilsa.

Now this is the sort of heteronormative talk I like. I mean, look, we've, we've bookended that

with full-on indie. I'm gonna, despite what we've heard, there aren't that many good people on both sides of Nazi. So I'm gonna go ahead and kill Ilsa.

That's true. Yeah. Okay, we'll leave it at that. All right. Let's get into this. I'm going to marry Crystal Skull, Marion. She can find. Let's just settle that.

Mary Marion and F. Yeah, I think so. Willie. Well, that's a part of the romance of... The Willie they won't they? In the Temple of Doom. Yeah, won't they, Scott. It's top notch.

Yeah. I think their whole romance is part of what's different about the Marion stuff is that it is, I think, supposed to be completely a frolic. It's not... It's a screwball. comedy along the lines of anything goes. Like, it's, it's that kind of Hepburn and Tracy thing. The only complaint I have about Willie Scott,

the entire thing is the 80s hair. And that's not her fault either, you know? I would have imagined her in that kind of 30s. But it's an interesting. Oh, yes, yes. She's got that tight perm that you just don't see on women of that time. Right. Would you prefer more of like a Betty Boop hairstyle?

No, but like Betty Grable, maybe. or Veronica Lake, you know? Imagine like Veronica Lake hair. That'd be good hair to have. Yeah. Oh, see, I was thinking of who's, I want to be left alone. Greta Garbo, that too, yes. I think that Spielberg and Lucas are both hairblind.

Because Star Wars is full of 70s hair. Yeah. Allison Dutie, though, has it as Ilsa. She's got period hair. That is true. That's a gross statement. Yeah. take a shower.

I didn't mean it that way. Wow, we've been real dudes here. I think Carrie's alternate title was period air. But yeah, the other opening stuff, that little shootouts cool. I like the, oh, props to Lucas, since we're doing a little kind of nasty Lucas talk, you get that awesome Star Wars universe building sort of stuff where when is, buddy gets shot. He's like,

we've gone on many adventures. And so you're like, oh, what adventures existed between him and his buddy? Wuhan. And then the bad guys, their little trio, you can just imagine little,

they have such a kind of, they're a little dimensions. And then you're like, oh, what was it their story? Him and really before you. Probably all went to bad guy college together. Yeah. Yeah.

Not in the same dorm, like in the same course, and then they started hanging out. Are you getting at the fact that this is called club Obi-One? Is that what you mean by universe building? No, no, I just said that. Speaking of referencing past adventures that the audience will never see. I didn't use the right word with universe building.

I meant like that sort of thing of like... No, that's universe. You can throw a word out like whatever in Star Wars. There's a thousand things like, right? Somebody just names a planet or a battle. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Oh, my imagination gets to kind of put that together.

I feel like props to Lucas. Nobody else would have kind of like moments. There's that later in the movie when they're at dinner too and he's talking about chatter. I recall they were going to take your hand. It wasn't my hand. Your head perhaps. No,

it wasn't my head. It was my misunderstanding. There's some good dialogue in this movie, even if the story's a little. Yeah. And the other writers, yeah, the Gloria Katz and William Huyuk.

They co-wrote American Graffiti, which is like, amazing. Yeah. And I do, they're the two, they're the people I try to most kind of like figure out,

what's going on? Did they bring? This is the Purvis and Wade of Bond. Yeah, what they bring to the party? But George Lucas, you know, I love them,

but I just don't think, like, behavior is his thing. And American graffiti is just filled with that from beginning to end. But then William Katz, not William Katz,

William Hook at Gloria Katz, their movies like Best Defense, Howard the Duck. they're really bad movies. And so it's like, well, then what? And Temple of Doom, you know, I think they made like choices of like, they could have made Willie Scott a different kind of...

Look, are they bad movies or are they writers who will listen to the directors? Right. So Spielberg is an interesting thing. Was there any other screenwriters on this at all? Even non-credited? And then you, no. And then the third one, Last Crusade,

which is like, really, I think one of the best things is like its script is Jeffrey Boeum who's amazing and then yeah before that good golly why am I forgetting

to stay Laurie Cassie was he not Larry Kasten was he working on Larry Kasten He didn't want to do it He didn't want to do it

He was the Maira the situation He was like He's like He really was like This is way too dark and not at all what we started out doing

I think you mean This is way too dark I don't want to work on anything like this Jimart Stephen I'm going to a path. I also probably think it was like, he's directed like a couple of movies.

He was about to make Silverado. Yeah. The idea of, uh, I'm just dating something called Grand Canyon. Just to wait and see. But this whole opening, Wuhan, who by the way, featured in a view to a kill, not a year later. That's very true. Yeah, CIA agent. Drove a Jeep Cherokee in that.

Just this. the Spielberg shots in this movie starting with this lazy Susan thing the way it's all the best I was watching that today too how almost every shot in this movie has two it starts in one gives you one bit of information

pans tilts whatever and then there's a second thing that tells the story it's just so incredible and seems so simple and basic and you see JJ Abrams really echoing this in the new Star Wars movies and everything but I'm a little surprised more directors don't do this kind of thing. Tough to be that simple, I think.

I guess. It doesn't like that run up in pre-production. You don't get that anymore. You know? Yeah. It's like you sign on to a movie. You're probably like the third director who's been on it at this point. And it's like,

we shoot next week. That's what I'm curious to see what Mangold, if he's going to at all say part of the charm of these films is the cause and effect and the shots and the lining up the shots and the, he's like storyboarding. Are we going to see some? Spielberg like shots from him. You'll see Harrison Ford on a horse.

Well, you'll see a stuntman with CG face replacement. On the horse? Yes, it's Harrison Ford's face on a horse. This horse is looking at me weird. We need a different horse's face. Let's just use Harrison. It's right up there too. Please do.

Please ride out a horse with his face. Please do some AI shot of Harrison Ford's face on that horse. Just give me Harrison Ford as a centaur being ridden by a horse. Yeah. The shot that I think of a lot in that opening That's really cool is that like when it's Uh pushing in on the three baddies sitting at the table when you first see them.

Oh yeah. Also because when I watched it, I taped this off of ABC like Sunday night. And that would be the point where while it's pushing in, you can tell they didn't want to mess up the opening titles with this. But now it's the time. Okay, we're going to a story. We can finally put up edited for content on TV.

And I was like, if there ever was a movie too. Yeah. What did you like? The, the kebub through the chest was that gone in the ABC version?

It is, I think, cut around. Yeah. Another James Bond. Yes. When do they use a kebob? Diamonds are forever. Yeah.

Putter Smith, Pasadena, South Pasadena resident Putter Smith and jazz musician. It's your classic instance of the henchman being alive way after the movies ended. Yeah. Yeah.

Which became... We can calm down now. Nothing is of any danger whatsoever. Oh, my God. The henchman. We forgot about the henchmen. Right. I'm curious from both of you,

your thoughts on what this, yeah, means James Bondwise, because if Raiders was sort of like, hey, we're not going to be above the level entirely about how we're doing a James Bond movie here, then what's the next one? Octobussy after Raiders,

which is heavily influenced. Yeah, and so now it's Raiders time to kind of respond to that or add to the thing. And then they start with a James Bond, like kind of homage. That's a while they're between Roger Moore movies. Yeah, that's right. It feels like somebody going over to somebody on their deathbed and like pulling a plug and be like, and I'm going to start dressing like you, like single white female style. Yeah, I mean.

How do you guys respond to that as James Bond fans? just it's just as we would do if we were making a movie is I would throw something in like that I would hate you on yeah I had absolutely no problem with it I ate it up I think at this point even though you're talking to someone who wore that tuxedo in his fucking wedding yeah like that's right were you at the wedding I was at the wedding as well this was before I knew you used in a in a try piece but I and we took pictures I I I was a man interested Willie and the red shoes head to toe and the wedding photographer took a beat to have to take pictures of he and I

because I was in a three-piece suit and he was in that. Oh, I remember this. The wedding was just a ruse to get a James Bonding photo shoot. Yes. I remember loving it and I think I was more into Indiana Jones

than James Bond at this point. Oh, that's interesting. There was no problem on my end. Yeah. None whatsoever. It was weird to see Indian such formal attire. You know, especially to open the film. You didn't expect it.

I remember in the theater kind of going, whoa, this is just, What is this? Well, we talked about this last week, or last episode, which was, uh, uh, Indy gets three looks in the first one. He gets his classic look. Yeah. He gets him in the, as teacher indie.

Yeah. Then robe at home indie. Yeah. Then like the only time you ever get to see him in like a, maybe not, I guess you get to see him in Las Crosaybor in like a pinstripe suit. Yeah, but he's like a navy suit in the end of Raiders or something. And then he's wearing that kind of same suit again at the, or a suit.

Yeah. This, it's just two looks, that white tucks, and then he goes into the plane and has his little backpack. There's his dinner look where he's got... His little sleepover bag with his indie clothes. He's got like a borrowed tweed jacket and glasses at dinner, too. That's right. You're right.

And he's got that, I couldn't shave like 5 o'clock shadow stubble. Yeah. GQ look. The sharp, the guy's the Laoshae and his bow. boys. They are dressed so sharp, like those bow ties with the two-tone black and white. So good. Yeah. They're hard to tie right, you know. Yeah. We should, next time we all meet, dress up as Laus Shea and his boys. That'd be a great idea. Who are you guys Laoshae and his boys? Which one's Laus Shea. Don't worry about it. Well, I think that brings us then to maybe the intro of short round. Yes, after they leave the action there.

Yeah. Academy Award winner. No, that's amazing, too. Just the timing of this, that he's so in the zeitgeist, went away for so long. Couldn't have happened to a nicer fella, it seems, you know? Amazing. Everybody was happy for him, even though Harrison Ford should have resented him a little bit because Harrison's been nominated, but not one. That's true.

Watch like Kate Kapshaw's going to win next year. And then Amish Puri, who's dead and played Molaram. The funniest in competition sort of thing with Kek Capcha I think about is episode one, the Phantom Menace was released the same day as her directorial debut, The Love Letter. What ticket is Steven Spielberg buying that day? Oh, he's got to go to two movies. He's seeing two movies.

Yeah. Oh, my God. I didn't even. Who's in that movie? Liam Neeson, Jar Jar. Jar. And then in episode one, it's like Jake Lloyd. and even McGregor.

Greg Proops. Greg Proops is the two-headed fella. So we get short round, we get Dan Aykroyd. We get Dan Aykroyd and what I would describe as his finest short-pant outfit. I mean, just the choice. Just the choice. It feels like a Dan Aykroyd choice to be like, could I get short shorts? The British.

It is because that same year is Dr. Detroit. the whole opening is him wearing short shorts jogging. I'm like, Accroid was, feeling good. Acroy, you got Acroids fingerprints through this whole franchise because, you know,

he's a huge crystal skull enthusiast. You know this? As the vodka will tell us. Yes, but he also believes in like the magic of the crystal skulls. Yeah, no, he's aware of it.

He's aware of the magic. I see. I see. He's knowledgeable, you mean? Yeah. He's informed. He recognizes facts.

Beyond what you people view. Do you believe in the mysticism of the Chakara stones? Of course. Me too. What are you talking about? Yeah, that's why we watched these movies. This is a trilogy of documentaries. So what's the dial of destiny? So, don't worry about it.

It's a bar of soap. It's a dial. It's a dial. It's a TV dial. Okay. It's kind of like the pick, tenacious dees. The pick of destiny. All right.

But it's a dial. And then you got... Oh, that shot, though, when they're walking and with Dan Aykroyd at it. That's the gift that keeps Ungiven. Because I watched that 100 times before somebody was like, that's Dan Aykroyd.

I was like, oh, whoa, you're right. Then I watched 100 more times and somebody was like, back there and is kind of dressed as like missionaries, I think. It's like Steven Spielberg, Frank Marshall, and Kathleen. They're dressed up.

I didn't know that. So that was the gift that keeps ungiven. Watched it a hundred times knowing that. Then, just two weeks ago, You realized Harrison Ford's in there. When short round is running out, when all that stuff is happening, he still has the blocks tied to his feet. And he's running along with blocks tied to his feet. Isn't that amazing?

That's amazing. It's packed. Because in my brain, the blocks are tied to the pedals. But yeah, no, they're on his feet. And to think the whole fact that this ends with the reveal of nice try Laushe and the closing of the door that reveals Laushe. so funny. I just love that as a kid. And I'll put it in the category, Temple of Doom is the funniest.

Indiana Jones movie, and that's like one of the many very funny. I can't get him more with that statement. Okay. I appreciate what you're saying. I appreciate what you're saying. When the big thuggy guy comes up to make him drink the blood and just walks up to Sully and Harrison Ford just goes, hi. Yes. That is gold. Sure. Sure.

That is gold. My favorite. The funniest part, the funniest moment in all of these movies to me will always be Sean Connery lying to Indy about the Germans having shot the plane. That is a true big LOL. But it's, it's, sorry, son, they got us. Oh my God. Sorry, Sean. There's corny comedy in Las Christian. It's like you know you're dying.

You know you're going to, this theoretically you should die. Yes. You've caused the death of your son and yourself. And your brain is like, okay, let him know I'm responsible for this. Yes. Also, it's a rare moment of war from him to end.

Like, he's so cold, so mean. And the one time he's like, sorry, son. I got to with the heaviest of hearts, right this to you. Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit is really. But yeah, the nice try, Lao Shea is a big love. But yeah, that's my favorite, The thing that I laugh out loud the most is when they're in the trap and the spikes are coming down

and that shot of Indy going, look, we are going to die. Oh, my God. He steps up the acting too. When he goes through the trance to turn into the cult member and he's writhing on that bed and those like echoing things and then he comes in the light and starts laughing, there's no Harrison Ford phoning this in. He's hamming it up and it's pretty amazing. It gets the chance, you know. he gets the chance to dance.

He's taking that ticket. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, we've talked before, Harrison Ford is all about finger work. That's where he does most of his acting. Yeah.

And then that ritual thing, he's like, definitely, like when he's going, it's like, he's making every finger crooked he can. He really is. But think about every classic,

you find her. You find her from the fugitive. Just look at him frozen and carbonite. Yeah. It's very finger heavy. When he's turned out down on his thighs, When he turns into that cult guy, he's doing that Bugs Bunny having a drink of alcohol. To which I go, is that just, is Bugs Bunny like, like, is that a relapse?

Is he turning back to alcoholism? Every time I would watch that as a kid, I'm like, falling off the wagon. He's like, this is going to snap him back off the wagon. It's going to be very sad. Look, can you? I know this was on MythBusters, but I don't remember the Out. come, but they tested the whole can you jump out of a plane

with a inflatable raft. If I recall, they pulled it off. This is the low point of the film for me. Really? This and the kind of like trek to Pencott Palace. It's just a lull. It's, this is where Temple of Doom just doesn't

work for me for some reason. I remember as a kid to that raft falling, just kind of going, okay, this is ridiculous. Well, it doesn't work until they do that that like, you know, 13th shot where it's like they land on the mountain and you still see the plane back there. So you're like, okay, it wasn't from that far that they fell. Yeah, straight into this year and about a amount.

So it's kind of a buy. Interesting. That's a good, yes. I'll use that next time as the defense. Yeah. Yeah. And also it's like the blue screen, whatever that optical stuff is easy to do at night when it's dark, but they're in daylight and it's happening.

And then when the raft is dropping, it kind of does this weird kind of physical thing that could it like their dummies are too light. So it's kind of just folding. And the opticals of them in the river looks so much like the opening to land of the lost where the water's miniature. But the, they're full size. There's too much headspace about it. It's also like there is like the question though, is that an aesthetic choice to look like you're in a cereal and his rear protection? No, I don't think that is. I think effects-wise, they were always trying, if not stylized.

It won the Oscar. Did it for effects? Yeah, I was like, I think. Ghostbusters. Interest. That's the big thing. I hear online people being like, it is kind of fucked up that Ghostbusters did win. I think it won because of the, for Tembo Doom, the mind car chase was probably the thing.

Did Raiders win? No. I don't know. Maybe it was also a little bit like we should give it to these guys. for what they've done. Oh, it's kind of a, here you go, Peter Jackson. I think so. Maybe it didn't exist.

I was just realizing today, too, that all of these movies, all four of them so far have a third act chase set piece. So you've got the horse and truck, then the mine car, then the tank chase, then the like Soviet forestry vehicles. You're right. And they're all the same thing, which is it is the action high point of the movie.

and after anything after that it's maybe like thrills but not necessarily like high you're on a bridge or you're trying to get the grail inside the cookie cave and there's always

we've left the thrills now we're in the spills yeah yeah as far as Roger Eber at Gene Siskel's concerns there's always a gross out animal or insect thing So there's snakes, insects, rats, and ants. That looks like a goth kids list that you find in his desk.

Ants is the last one. I'm running out of ideas. It's also crammed up against the page. He ran out of room. It's like ants. Do you think the new ones? Snakes so big. Going to have that?

Are they going to do a creature of some kind? I would assume they will. What will it be? Snakes, probably. Again? Just to hark and. back to the That's good.

We're in the fan service industry now. Well, I mean, it'll be a snake eating its own tail. He's in a pit of snakes eating it's a tail.

It'll be a snake surprise where inside it's bugs. What animal could they use that they haven't used that has that kind of visceral gross reaction? Chlamydia. Yes.

Sexually transmitted diseases. They were popular back then. Yeah. The clap is the thing that like Indy walks into a road, he's like, ugh. Just a harem. He walks, well, it's 69.

He just walks into like burgeoning porn movies. It's just, it's just his colds. It's like it's final tap when the coldsore moves from person to person. Yeah, it's a root. People are cold swords. The clap. Why did it have to be the clap? Shivalous.

Very dangerous. You go first. You want sloppy seconds, Sala. sloppy second solom that's a remarkable sentence and we see Dr. Jones there is nothing you cannot possess that I cannot possess wait what

there's nothing you cannot steal that I cannot possess including this woman gross crabs crabs that's what it is it's going to be crabs very dangerous you go first Crows.

He's just going to be a youth hostel with unclean cots. The treasure, the dial of destiny is buried in this Italian youth hostel and we've got to go through these old sheets and cots to get there. Crabs. Very dangerous.

So the with the plane crash, just before they go into the village, just one thing to there is some kind of like people misremember bringing a detail about something that happens on the plane that's like really

the Mandela thing? Yeah because I think it's in one of the comic books or it's described in the novelizations but it's basically after Indiana Jones and everybody falls asleep, not the pilots on the plane, before the pilots

start emptying out the fuel, they look back and they realize what a serious badass they're dealing with because one of the chickens in the cages lays an egg and before it drops on the ground, Indy catches it in his sleep.

And then the pilots are like, whoa, this guy is for real. Is this, did you just, no, this is like a fever dream you had? No,

ever since we first started, came up with Indiana Jonesy, I think if you check our like email or text to it, I was like, we get to talk about the egg thing. Yeah. That's right. But I didn't know what the egg is.

thing was. You brought it up recently, I think, at some other point. Yeah, so it's weird. That's fucking wild that that is a thing that only Paul Rust remembers. I don't have the miss. I wish I had the miss memory. Do you have them? It's more, I read online people being like, no, that sort of stuff.

That's like so fascinating. No, I saw it. The big one that we can look out for in Last Crusade is when they're talking about giving the riches over to the guy to get the tanks and the fancy cars. stuff. Some people claim that he said Jewish families and Jewish was dropped out because he goes by someone

and they're like they cut it out during the videos but I think it's horseshit. Like on original film print somebody actually went and checked the sound levels of the original film print and saw that it stays down. It doesn't go up during that way. Anyway, just as long as we're figuring out

Mandela effects of Indiana Jones. movies. But anyway, egg talk. Now they're at the village, right? So does this scene, does the egg scene exist in any form of media? Well, yeah, is it comic or novelization? This is my question. Yeah, I wonder which one it is. I don't know how. You guys talk just like, I'll do a little research on this. Thank you. Because if you're, do you, do you, was this something you looked up because you remembered or you just heard people had remembered this? It was one of those things where when you're so desperate for

Jones content. You're going back like seven years into the web board on Indiebmovies.com. And then you're like, oh, there's a 12-page discussion of this egg shit. Did it happen or not? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Well, there are certainly chickens on board that. There's chickens on a plane. He is asleep. I wonder if it's like... He has a hand. That's a lot to like put on these pilots to like have to like... that performance.

To take that beat to look back for him to catch the thing. That is a lot. For them to then look at each other and go, thank God we're getting out of here. Also, I just don't think that's like indie style. Like that's more like a guy who's been trained in a trailer maybe? No.

My question is, was it ever filmed visually represented? I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think they got on said. They're like, this is stupid as shit. Well, some people are saying that it justifies why that one pilot is so

scared when he walks by Indy, but I just assumed it was because he's afraid of parachuting. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Let's do the, it makes sense. He's scared of parachute. He does scared that the guy who caught it while he was asleep might swat at you? Who among us hasn't caught something while they're asleep?

Here's someone that says they had it in the novelization. Okay. I would buy it as like a panel in one of the, you know, the Marvel comic adaptation they did. I'd buy that. Yeah. If there's a graphic, an illustration of Indiana Jones hand holding an egg, I will... Because then you'd get to have the thought bubble. You'd get to have the thought bubble of the pilot if you're doing, you know.

That helps. You know. That helps the... He should have just used that thought bubble. He just caught that egg. The other thought bubble. What a badass. Now when I walk by him, I will clever.

The other pilot says, what a badass in his thought bubble? Like, they can have a conversation and thought. So did you, it was the novelization. That's what someone said they remember. It doesn't seem to be any like real, real, like one guy in the internet who just like caused this situation. Brantley, you know what to do. Brantley.

So yeah, then this stretch of them at the village, I do think it's kind of like one of the slower parts of the movie, which is kind of weird because in the last 20 minutes of this movie are so like unrelenting in like action. It feels a little like unbalanced sometimes when you want to take it in doom. But Raiders kind of does that. too, but I'm not...

I mean, when we talked about Raiders, one of the things we, like, loved most was that exposition scene, though. It was like, so... And this is, like, compared to that, it ain't shit. It really isn't, because of that, you're also meeting Marcus Brody and

eventually Sala. Oh, no, because then you get right to Marion. He's not... But in this, what's different about this one versus the other Indiana Jones movies is Indiana is not actively researching or trying to

piece it all together. He wants to get away. He wants to not do this. But once the, you know, once the children are brought up, he's told, you know, you have to go rescue the children and get the stone back.

So essentially he's, he's given, he's given his fetch quest. You know, and he goes and they, he's not buying into the, to the cults, right, cult's long gone.

And it's only when they accident, when he accidentally stumbles upon the cavernous, like if he was actively searching for an entry point into this cavern that he knew to exist, this temple, and he was actively searching in the mansion, what are we calling this? It's a castle,

palace. Then I'd be like, oh, this is more of an active Indiana Jones. Yeah, you want him to be on the hunt for a treasure. Right, he's literally like falling backwards into stuff out of a plane,

through the wall into the cave. Like it's not. And then yeah, it's just then I'll get on a mind cart and try to get out of this across a bridge. It's not. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Also the, yeah, what you're saying about like, in the other ones, it's like people come to Indy

because he is the expert and they want him to figure out this problem for him. This is kind of like, hey, right place, right time for everybody here to kind of. So that might feel. Also, just the, Yeah, it's not like he's like, you know, like in Raiders, when he figures out how high the staff is and, you know, knows where to place it. So it points out where the ark is hidden.

And like when he's searching for the clues with his dad's diary and Last Crusade and he's like, you know, searching from the library and sees the X. Right. It's not like he fell into that X. He gets, in Elsa's word, get giddy like a schoolboy. And the same thing with the staff and Raiders. You see that look on his face when he's kind of leaning on the staff. and he's like, you know, he's Jones. And this, the closest you get to it in this one is after he rescues Willie.

And she goes, now let's get out of here. And he goes, right, all of us. And he's determined to help the children. But you're already into the third act at that point. It's goldfingery in that sense. You know how Jane thought is always sort of behind the eight ball in that movie? Yeah, yeah. That's true.

And it starts with the gold finger tucks. Interesting. Interesting. Ooh, the tucks is a sign of a passive protective. The passive protagonist. That's right. He drinks goldfinger. There's mint julep here.

He drinks molaram's blood. Yep. Interesting. Drewel drip. Also the, the, the, uh, you in the same argument of why maybe, like I, I, I would be bummed out if they repeated everything that worked in Raiders and this stuff.

So it's not like I'm, you just want them to do something different, but then is like as good or something. And it's not as good. So that's why I'm bitching. But it's like the, uh, you know, the Sakara stones don't have the same wallup as the thing that holds the, you know, is the arch of the covenant. In every way, just even the way they look, they're so simple.

Yeah, because unlike the crystal skulls, they're not real. Okay. Yeah, that's the only one that's real is the Christmas. The other one's horses. I mean, come on, you guys believe that bullshit. Get out of here. Come on. Come on.

And then just the fact that it's like, uh, the absence of something is what's, it's just a heart that's like when you try to prove how God does not exist. It's just an impossibility. So how do you, you're just kind of like, there were kids here.

Oh, okay. All right. Isn't it weird too that you never, the five never get put back together. There are only always three of the five stones. You never. Oh,

because that's what they're mining for. I know, but it's, it just feels strangely like you don't get a closure. I want to see what will happen. Oh, if Gola Ram had them like, he wouldn't make sure nobody, ever had any potential and then Indy finds out, oh, they found the two and or they,

well, I want to see what happens when you get the five stones back together, you know? Hey, with Charlie Watts dead, that's going to be impossible. I know. Oh, Charlie Watts will be found. You won't. No, the stones must all be together for the 2025 reunion tour. When you put Mick Jagger and Keith Richards close together and they just both start glowing. then the um and then yeah that the uh when you hear the information too i love all the stuff of like

the guy kind of like through broken english enhanced stuff that's like total spielberg stuff even how like short rounds imitating hair support is that uh that's all great is like jaws and stuff when this is when they're feeding him his lines yeah thematically because he doesn't speak english yeah it's just a different also i love the whole thing of like that mean Indiana Jones is like, oh, here's what he was talking about. That's cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, this is the second of what will be four examples in this movie of bad shit in your mouth that you don't want in your mouth. So the first is the poison.

Yes. Yeah. The second is this village food. Yep. Third is the palace food. And fourth is the blood that India has a drink that makes him go batty. Right. Now, when people are like, why is this movie a prequel?

I think you could make the argument that it's like, oh, because they don't want to mess with the Marion stuff. If it's a sequel, then you go like, oh, him and Marion are in love. And if you make it a prequel, you're just like, oh, you before that, him and Willie, you loved each other. Or, you know, how to fling. But I think it's more that it's like the whole movie is one big, big. regression to a previous time before the first. Like, if Raiders of Lost Ark is puberty, most puberty,

14, 15, you like a girl, she's spunky, she likes you back, you make out, you protect her. This is like, girls are, ew, they're so loud and shut up, older sister. Gross. And the... Third one is... I don't want to eat this. The action is more.

The third one is, Dad, I hate you, but I love you. The action and humor is more kind of like regressive than the first one. And then, yeah, down to then this kind of like, it's not even like pre-puberty. It's like infantile. The idea of like, I might have to eat something icky. That's like more what they're trying to like,

I feel like bring you down like the getting into. into the bowels of a temple inside a doom and a cave. It's just kind of like all about like going deeper and deeper into whatever your id is. There's visceral. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's like, I mean, the- Which is cool. It does, it is the point in the movie where you, the Cape Capshot character is

least sympathetic is when she won't eat the villager food. Yeah. Because it's like, and when she's, you got to know that they're not running around with a lot of food here and they're offering it to you. Yeah, in life. That's always a bad. move. Nobody likes to be by a picky eater. You gotta eat it. I don't care how much gluten's in there, honey.

You know, they were so happy, though, with that fly landed on the food and she shook it off at 80. You're like, hey, we're wrapped for the day. We're done. Cut! Did you see that fly, George? I missed it because I was trying to eat it. You missed it because you were trying to eat. Okay, whatever, George. Does my beard line look too high or too low? I just really struggle with this. I keep shaving at a certain point

and then my neck skin drops below it. It keeps... I don't know how the hair is detached from it. Anyway, what take are we on? Rap, we're rap. Let's go to Hawaii. When you were

talking about the music or the stones coming together made me think of the badass John Williams music that has that like crazy singing choir that happens and stuff. So just as we leave the village there and they start going on their little trek, that music that plays, I know Spielberg loves it too, though John Williams music.

Yeah. Yeah. I've just been reflecting maybe because as John Williams getting older and he was nominated for the Fablemen's and didn't win. And you're like, oh, maybe that would have been a nice cap to the legacy. The thing I've been thinking about him is maybe somebody could make this argument against this, but I don't think he's ever done bad work.

His stuff might be in bad moments at bad times, but like whatever you feel about Temple of Doom, the fact that that track music is A plus John Williams, it's so cool. The music in this is fantastic. He never has done bad work. Crystal Skull is the only time I've heard of movie as his where I, to this day,

couldn't tell you anything. theme from that movie that isn't already existing from the previous Indian movies. But also your brain was overloaded. I've seen that movie a lot. I've seen that movie a lot. There's like a cool

military march at the beginning, but there's no catchy themes in that movie. I hope that's not the case. I know you can already listen to Helena's theme from Dial of Destiny. It's pretty good. Yeah, because I think that

Two opportunities for new themes would be Kate Blanchett's character or mutt, right? You're talking about Irene Spalco? Sorry, Spalco, yes. The way you're sinking into those wubble-yews. I can't wait to get to this movie. I don't know why I have a fondness for that movie, but I do. And I don't know why. Oh, Crystal Skull?

Yeah, it's still pizza. The last time I saw it was at the Grove opening night. I have a similar fondness for that like I do for the prequels in that I recognize it's not just a flawed movie but it doesn't really work but there's like a nostalgia

and just the fix of a new Star Wars or Indy means a lot even if it's bad I still get a like a fix out of it it's weird. Yeah no no no it's I mean I'm excited to revisit it just sort of like now with no expectations yeah and I'm going to send you this article

that David or like the critic wrote about that movie being about family and you'll watch it in a whole new light. It's pretty great. I mean, there is family stuff in here. What's a little kind of confused about it is that's when Willie you do wish she had like some dimension because the idea like that when they're all in the jungle together during this truck and they stop, it's more like indie short round father's son. Yeah. And if Willie just was like in a funny. way didn't want to eat the food. Just not in an outright. Like, just find that how that's funny. And like, but for her screaming around at animals, it's just like, oh, well, this could complete

some nice little, like, the family thing you're going for if she wasn't like the big sister and Indies now the divorced dad who's adopting two stepkids or whatever. It just doesn't. The character is redeemed when she puts her hand in to pull the lever to save them. Yeah. Like, because those bugs are gross. Yeah. And she, well, she heard they are going to die. For some reason, too, I really cued in at the end when she says she's from Missouri. She's going back to Missouri. And when you kind of think 1930s, Missouri, all of this makes sense. She's just like a farm girl.

Yeah, she's overcompensated. Marian's like a street-wise. You know? Main Street, USA, Missouri. I think also a real bio of Kate Ketka. She's from Missouri. Well, like Marion feels very street-smart. And, you know, she's worldly.

she's been around with Abner Ravenwood around the world Globetrotting. Right. And I think Willie probably did regional theater ended up on Broadway and then a residency in Shanghai. Or no, they're not in Shanghai. Where are they? What's that? Where is Club Obi-1?

Where are they? In our hearts. China, right? Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Yeah, with Will. I mean, obviously the argument you could why it's a bummer is

Marian is just like so her own person who can do her own thing and is like can work side by side with Indian conjunction and who wouldn't want a gal like that and then when you see you know you could this is like definite a third wave

feminism perspective you could go well hey maybe this isn't a misogynistic portrayal of a woman it is like yeah these movies can do portrayal any woman. You got a woman like Marion and this one like likes jewels and pretty dresses.

What's wrong with that? And when she's thrown into adventure with Indiana Jones, that's the character she is. Like, I buy all that. That's, you know. And I mean, I don't, you know, when when she's like in it and Andy's like, I'm going to cut the ropes on the bridge and she's just like, oh, then she like wraps up.

Yes. Okay, here we go. I'm like that's how I would feel. Yes, you're speaking to, oh, that's exactly it, man. It's like when I watched Temple of Doom recently the last time, I was like, oh, she's supposed to be the character in the movie who's responding to everything. And if you just have like snakes get cut up and other snakes pour out,

and Marion just kind of shrugs. Right. This stuff doesn't work unless you have like, yeah. Yeah, because you kind of have that with Sepito in the opening, the Alfred Molina part in the opening. and a little you get that throughout with Marcus and such. And then short round gets to be a part of all that fun stuff too. Like he's not.

That scene, man, when he is trying to get Indiana Jones to snap out of it, oh, breaks my heart. Indy, I love you. Best friend. Yeah. And the shot, oh, God, this is what I was just noticing, these Spielberg shots of short rounds in frame and profile. You see Indy's torso and he puts the Yankee ball.

cap on short round then kneels down to him and you don't know that short round's holding in these hat and he brings it up and puts it on him all in one shot it's so great yeah you're making me realize though I do wish there was like a little action a smaller set piece a smaller child next to short round yeah that shorter round that he holds mom and so baby love short round short round Between when they land in the village until the... They get to the palace. Fight in the palace when he... Yeah, when they get to the palace and he's fighting the thuggy.

There's not much action. What it should be is that fight in the palace where that guy's standing in the shadows against the mural should be while he's in the village. That, like, the thuggy assassin comes to kill him there. Yes. And that's what sets him on the trail. So it happens earlier, plus you get some action earlier or something.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And this time instead of set against a mural, it's a wall of mud like Rambo and his eyes just pop up. I love that little guy coming out of the mural. It's so good. That's cool. So good. And the way he dies in the ceiling. It's all the like, I guess you'd call them gags kind of like in the stunt terminology of the way someone dies or a way a stunt is presented almost as a mini set piece of itself.

There are so many good gags in this movie. Yeah. Just the cabab, the guy getting hanged in the ceiling fan and the guy pole vaulting at him and getting thrown. The gone rolling and it's getting shot, I think is a great side. And then the ultimate, the bridge, cutting the bridge, it's so simple and so visceral and thrilling. Yeah, there's a small moment when the hammer gets thrown. Yes. That it just bans the guy over.

And that's one of those guys where you're kind of like, is he actually part, like, is he an evil thuggy or is he like a conscripted worker? Yeah, does he have a soccer team? He should be coaching right now for his daughter, but he's drank some blood, some bad blood. Yeah, and then they get to that little gross feast. Also, it's like when they're in the mine and the guy's whipping the children, I'm just like, why would you have children doing this? they're all tiny. They can't really mind that fast. They can get in little crevices.

They can get into little crevices. He's getting himself very angry. Yeah. And he should have just had all these, you know, adult males that seem to be around. Yeah, you're right. And stealing people's children where they're going to be a lot more questions than, they start talking together. And then, you know, it's more annoying than children.

Nothing. Yeah. going to have to deal with all those kids with their teenagers. I want to get out of the cave tonight. The whole thing, though, of going into a cave that's hidden in a wall, I mean, I know that's like the thing in Temple of Doom. It's like the coolest shit in the world. Hidden temple and tunnels and stuff.

Like Fraggle Rock, you know? Yes. 80s was big on the, there's something going down on tunnels. Yeah. Big on subterranean fun. The way that that thing opens with the pressing the breasts.

I know that's not the like lever you're supposed to press but just another Spielberg moment. Yeah, that is, that's seen as sequences really. That just made me remember fondly naked gun when Leslie Nielsen's. Remember fondling.

Exactly. I love that whole little thing where they're waiting for each other. Yeah, that's such a throwback. He's checking his breath. their dialogue with each other. That's all fantastic. And it's probably like Indy and Willie at their best.

Like my favorite scene of theirs. And then, oh, short round just to give credit or credits do. Like, he could have totally been the... Jake Lloyd. Yeah, Jake Lloyd. He could have been like the EWalk from the previous year of the movie where people are like, they fucking try to make this for kids and add this cute. Like, it speaks so much.

to that character and the performance that there ain't one single complaint ever about people being like oh, short round, he's so annoying, we're an annoying kid. You like love short round. It's probably because you're a kid when you watch it and you're like,

God, it'd be awesome if Indiana Jones is my dad. It's why it's sad then when he's trying to get him out of his thing. It's like when you see your dad be sad and you're like, what do I, can I do? Speaking of that, I saw my dad's reflected did so soundly back at me

when they're on the conveyor belt and he beats the big guy and he screams at short round with that pointing the short end. Stop fooling around with that kid and get... That is exactly how my dad... My dad moment. This speaks to my dad.

My dad moment that it reflects is when they're in the little the spikes coming down. And he goes, just don't... Just stand back against the wall. It was like, Almost temper lost.

You know what? I'm a nice guy. Just put your pockets in your hands in your back and just stand back against the wall. My dad would be standing against the goddamn wall. Well, and then it leads to short rounds hilarious. And well, this spike scene is like my favorite sequence in Temple of Doom. One of my top three sequences in all indie movies is when after the short round does that, he stands back and he's like, you told me. I know.

It's such a funny, like, family. And then the music kicks in again, the same music. Oh, it's the best. And then you have that going against the holy, I mean, it is Williette or funniest. The like having to put her hand in the thing. It'd be like, oh my God. No, you're both right. That read, that Harrison Ford read of we're going to die.

We are going to die. And then he does like a little mug at the end. And then, yeah, it is like, for me, it is like the set piece of Temple of Doom because it is also Temple of Doom. It's like, really the action is like funny. It's just like such a funny. Like you're laughing the whole time that like the way they argue, the way it like fires up again. You know what's interesting about this movie,

the climax, which I guess is the mind card chase, right? Sort of. I mean, that's the biggest set piece they have. Yeah. You think about the biggest set piece in a view to a kill, not the bridge, but the underground mine with all the wall.

coming at him. Yeah, yeah. What's going on there? It goes underground mine two bridge. Yeah. Oh my goodness. Both being shot in England, spies on set.

Interesting. Wu Han, that guy, he shoots Indy. He goes to work around. It's probably him. He's like, you know what they're doing? I just worked on. Cubby,

I just, I'm listening. They're doing a mine chase with a bunch of water coming through. Oh, really? Okay. It's not too late. We can turn it around.

Let's do it. They got Grace Jones. I mean. Oh, well. Okay. Let me call them up and see if they can leave the set standing. So then, yeah, we got this spike and then we get to see the big ritualistic lava pit set. That set's incredible.

Yeah, and I like that little interstitial mat painting thing that happens when they just. Oh, yeah. The caverns. The walk from whatever the geography of this fucking. in boggars places, which is like you go through a statue into a tight corridor, into a giant cave that then brings you down lower into a lava thing. Surrounding an active volcano? Correct.

What is happening here? Yes. But like the magic they show in this, you know, the fact that that guy's still going with his heart in his hand. Yeah. It's like, that's real spooky shit. Yeah. Yeah. Now, that's something if the Nazis had. Yeah. Oh, boy.

Right. They got their hands on those. You know, this is probably a prequel mostly too because they were like, if the sequel, people are going to wonder why he's not fighting Nazis. Ha, ha. That's true. Just like when you were asking about America. Yeah. Yeah. When you think about it, 1936 is even early to be fighting Nazis.

Sure. Yeah. I mean, they have MP 40s in that movie and the MP 40s named after the year 1940. What are we doing? No, we know. I mean, yeah. He's fucking idiots. I mean, it's like when Marty McFly is playing an ES345, which didn't come out until 1959.

Did you shoot my new ES339? I did. Look at that. You got a little. 39 is it 19? No, no. As in it's 2009. It's the Lil body.

L-I-L. Yeah. That's my new baby. That's cool. Beautiful. I was really just thinking about this setup just like while you guys were talking. I was like, I really got everything except a single coil. And then I was like, oh, I bet that Ibanez taps the coils.

Yeah, and that's what... You got everything you need. That Ibanez is... That's the David Kyrush guitar. Well, hey, you got four guitars here. Which one of the indie... The Koresh. Well, I've got five.

Oh, five. Okay, whoa. Good question. Now, okay, so which one is the Sikara Stots? It's more fun to do the indie. That nylon string is my like first real main guitar. My first love. So in prequel order, Temlo-Dub.

Yes, you got it. That's Raiders. The Koresh-Sesh has to be Temple of Doom because it was also the second one I got and it's the cult, you know. Children, flames. David Koresh. And it lines up.

And then, last crusade. Crystal, oh, God. Last crusade is maybe the ES 339. Just because it's beautiful. I'm with you on that. And then the resonator would probably.

That's the dial of destiny because it's got the like, of destiny. I can't do that to my beautiful Taylor can't be Crystal Skull. But you love Crystal Skull. You said it's your favorite. How do you get by with 36 less guitars than me? Good question. As I always say to my wife. They all do different things. Don't worry. I have a shitty

Samick bass in that seat below you. Oh, really? Rumble seat. I feel it. So yeah, then they go into that big temple of the dog. Digging back into that program I got on the night of seeing this. I remember there was some behind the scene stuff on how they built that. This feels like something the theater manager did in Matt's hometown. No. And it's not something.

You could buy. They were bought at the concession stand. I have the return of the Jedi one too. Again, but you probably saw it in a similar theater. So maybe that manager transferred. Same theater. That's true. It's the same manager.

He's typing these up at home. But if I remember correct. He was binding them himself. That lava pit when they're lowering the model guy down, the victim. I remember correctly, it was lit, but it was laundry detergent, or like soap, detergent soap that they lit underneath with like debris in it. I think that's the best effect of the movie is that lava there. And I mean, it's so funny then that the heart thing freaked me out because it is so bloodless

and simple. It's just like a hand going to do like a slit and. Oh, it reminded me of like all the best nightmare on Elm Street. practical effects. Yeah. And the closing is like shot in reverse. Yeah.

But it also does the thing of like you could just tell it's like Elstree Studios, Elstree Studios, Elstree Studios. And then when it goes into the close up

of taking it, it's like ILM in North Carolina like the same way. Spielberg's pool. It's similar to when Luke and Darth was Delma's pool.

It was Delma's Pool. Oh, okay. I've looked up that house on, could like, oh yeah. For sale. Is the pool still there? Uh-huh.

And they're like, this was Vera Miles house. And the editing bay is still the, her editing room by the pool is still constructed. If that came up for sale, would you? Well, here's the thing. To own it, you have to be a shark. Oh, shit. And I'm a jet. So I can't.

That is a problem. Spielberg talk. Yeah. Wait, do you think he had a natural inclination towards the jets on West Side Story? because he's of the shark. Yeah. Or when he's like, I want to do West Side Story

and like, you can't give up shark movies. What is it? And we're not going to show the sharks until well into the movie. He feels, he feels so bad about making Jaws. He feels like he killed a lot of sharks accidentally.

That's what it is. Oh, you know. Yes. Yeah. Which also weirdly Peter Benchley, that's how like Peter Benchley was like regretted writing Jaws

because of the negative connotation it then had on sharks. Like people would hunt sharks and, that's the same thing but you know what they made the best movie ever so i remember that too with friday the 13th that a lot of hockey goleys were killed after the movie yeah they were hunted and killed for their skinned for their masks my horny teenagers yes we gotta get it before he gets us yeah oh that would be a good concept hey scream six has a little touch of it okay the horniest teenagers Indiana Jones and the horniest teenager i don't know talking about that's the girl with the love you

I've only now just felt our ages and it's kind of gross we're talking about horny teenagers guys we're very old I was a horny teenager much so then yeah Mola Ram

he's the batty I think as I said in the Raiders I do think you didn't need the kid you could have just had the dignitary guy or the diplomat guy The Prime Minister

be also the guy who's entirely working with Molaram. And there is a deleted scene that was filmed where during the whole scuffle with Indy... Polaram lays an egg. Yeah, and then he catches two of them. And Batmobile gets away. She runs back into the palace and runs into him

and they take her and then bring her back in. Wait, wait, say this again? There's a deleted scene that after those guys, you know, when she's like looking down at Indy, and then the temple guys pop up. Yeah. I think they take her out of the temple back into the palace. They talk to that guy.

Chatter loud. Yeah. And then that's when they bring her back in to do the ritual of putting her down. But it just added a little bit more to him how he's a bad guy. What were they? So he was revealing. So, okay, so it's like a monologue for a villain to her kind of. thing like a Bond villain. Yeah,

and whatever the reveal his connection. So you don't get it later when he pops up during the ritual and you're like, oh, okay, he must be. Wait, so I only remember that guy's name because the Mad Magazine parody. His name was Chatterlow and he would mumble.

That's like every time they did every time they did Star Trek, it was the exit prize instead of the Enterprise. Oh God. I just was like, oh, you've done it again, Mad Magazine. And speaking of Bond monologuing villains. Did you notice this time when Molaram is kind of monologing to Indiana Jones when he's

pinned down and they're going to convert him? And he's stroking the hair on his little shrunken head. He's holding his like horned helmet and he's just like a Blofeld's cat. Like he's just stroking. That is true. Yeah. A couple other things I noticed when Chatterlau gets pinned under that wheel and ostensibly dies. There's a wide shot after that where he's kind of cronged. around and not dead. And then they cut back and he's still and lying down. But you never see that guy die. It speaks to how kind of flimsy of the baddies are that you'd go like,

oh, what happened to him? And oh, that kid just kind of like, maybe this is the dial of destiny. Oh. And the worst escape of a villain, I think in any movie is Molaram, when they just cut to that weird long ways trapped door that is so unwieldy that he has to, do you know what? talking about in front of the altar and he just pops out.

I think it's awesome. So I'm like shocked and in outrage that you would think it's from standing full fully erect to the next cut is he's lying down. The dummy just falls through this thing. It is so weird. They do that because like you wouldn't want to see just like a guy at a big robe trying to like slowly get down to his knees and then lay on his back. It just seems why not just have a regular trap door that he just falls through?

Why is it that weird? It felt like a toy. You can't you cannot like make this cave to your own desires. They're just using the practical set they're on. This is the only way if trapdoor is going to fit here. Okay. I am satisfied. That's the awkwardness of a performer having to like lay on their back and then like go down that thing.

Reminded me, you know, I went to a Catholic school. And in seventh or eighth grade, we had to do these little scene reenactments from the Bible. just for a class of like 22 kids that were in the room. And we did the Abraham's sacrifice of Jacob. I think I'm getting these names right. Way ahead of me. He's like, you know, he's going to do it. He's going to sacrifice.

And then God goes, yes, the classic story. A, it was so cool of you that you're about to do that. You don't have to do it. You're in A plus in my book because you're a psycho. Bro, bro, thanks. Thanks. bro, the end. Pause.

You proved yourself. So I was the kid who Jacob, who was getting, who was supposed to lay on the slab on the altar to be. This is fucking crazy. So we were talking about it. And then somebody's,

you can't watch Temple of Doom, but you'll do this to kids? No, my family love Temple of Dune. We watch, oh, but you're saying PT-13 rating. Well, the church, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yes, that's the worst thing the Catholic Church ever did to the kids. The parallels of, yeah. The Catholic Church in the temple do were pretty rich. But the, oh, so I had to lay on my back to do on the altar. And then somebody's reading what the story is. And then me and the guy playing the dad, I think my friend Ryan are like reenacting it. and you know around like six or seventh grade it's not like your penis is big

it's just bigger than what it was and what it's doing where is this heading and how your pants fit it's just all new territory and we could talk about it hey I'll go up I'll lay on my back you do the thing but once I got up there and had to get on a table and lay on my bat with my guys imagine that you wouldn't even like to do

that as a gruner. I didn't do it right now in front of you. I stopped halfway. This is awkward. This is vulnerable. You clearly see the outline of your penis. So then I started to do that thing. I was laid up my back, but I kind of like was folding up my thighs to cover up and like kind of let the weakest V shape cover up the cross. Were you in a robe? No, I was wearing my school clothes. Do you think the real Jacob did this during the sacrifice? You don't understand? He's like, I understand. Boy, do I? But I remember a couple of my friends in the faster that started laughing because they knew clearly what was going on. I was like, oh, this is a nightmare for Rusty.

That's like the time Carl Berkel had to read the word organism and red orgasm and everyone laughed and he went, what? Hey, what about the girl who was doing a, uh, talking about Ireland and she pronounced pubs as pubs. Oh, that's a pretty good guy. Going to my local pub. That's a good times. That, that knows.

Those were some good times. I mean, honestly, I can't remember anything like that for my childhood. I feel like... God, I didn't have it as good as you guys. Gross mispronunciations of words. I went to Catholic school too. Hey, really? I never had to lay down flash.

Sorry, you missed that. How many times is that? The snake, we remember this was my Rusty's lookout for this at the end. Did you guys notice the little snakehead kind of moved? after he takes the stones and he takes his hat off and he kind of goes like I docked my cap to Snakey

I always forget this when he walked away the little snake statue turns a little bit and there's speculation on the indie fan boards that that's like some sort of like periscope situation that's like

he me be be beam he took the stones now when I was a kid I was a kid and I saw the snake move I go that's it's like the beginning of

Raiders when you take the thing and then the thing starts going down like this is activated by him doing this and it must be then I guess alerting so I didn't think of the periscope technology but the idea that

did you guys see it it's dumb it's weird I just watched I've looked for that before but this time I always I always thought it was just an acknowledgement on the snake statues part of Indiana Jones's braveness No, I think it's a message of like,

I'm not going to deal with you now. But in a year, some of my buddies, you're going to have to answer to some of my buddies in a different part of the world. Meas, why did it have to be me's? I thought you were talking about Nazis and it turns out you're talking about snakes. So then Indy gets caught.

Yeah. And transferred. over. It works, which is like the crazy thing too. Because I'm like, in my mind, I'm like, oh, he's just Indiana Jones. It's just pretending because he doesn't buy him this pocus mumbo jumbos. Yeah. Yeah.

But then it really affected him. Yeah. I'm like, oh, my gosh. Yeah. This thing's real. I've never really thought about, I've thought about with the other ones about like, oh, this, I guess this is really, that they can really pull a chest out and the guy survives. I mean, the fact that like this is like, again, every time.

time people bring up the fact that it's alien. I'm like, look at this other shit. That at least, a little bit more scientifically plausible. Sure. Crystal skull is the most believable, and I know I don't need to tell you guys that because you're big into Crystal Skull.

I can't wait to get to this movie and just hear your experience with aliens. Our knowledge. Yeah, your knowledge, sorry, yeah. Our wisdom. Yes. Just how we know the truth and you obviously don't. But yeah, then it is funny that like two years later

and he's like, that's all horseshit. Dude, you drank blood and made you a different person. Maybe you don't remember. You watched a heart come out. It does make me like sad the short round is not in the other movies. I know. What's happening during last crusade? You bring Sala back for Dial of Destiny.

You don't bring Keyhe Kahn back. That would be incredible. Bring them all back. I'm sure the studio's like, fuck, we should have done that. Yeah. I know. They've missed a bit more. Yeah.

You get the feeling with John Reese Davies. kind of wield him in and he's just standing in one place for that airport scene. I don't think he's really going to be in the movie that much, you know. Oh, you know, I didn't watch the new trailer. I haven't watched the new trailer. No. Because I, what him surprises. I won't say anything.

No, it's not because you, you didn't ruin it. Well, now we know he's fucking standing. Well, no, he's in the, you watched the teaser. I knew he was in it. Yeah, but I didn't know he was standing. You could have been sitting in that scene. That's true. Spoilers.

Oh, I didn't know. He was going to be as old as shit. Why did you ruin it? I was going to say we could talk about that trailer, but you guys, all you care about is your crystal skulls. All right. It takes a lot of focus and a lot of energy to learn more.

I mean, they harness all energy. We can agree that Mac is the greatest Indiana Jones character we've ever had. Certainly. Okay. The whole time, you're just like,

wow, what a number they've done on him. Yeah, bring Mac back. Do another. Bring Mac back. Mac attack. Mac attack.

We need the Mac attack. Why isn't they talk about all the missions Henry and Mac went on. Indian Mac went on. Let's see some of those. Young Ray Winstone. Come on. All right. Let's wrap this up.

We got to the, now we're at the mine chase. Yep, yep. Because, right, he gets out of the thing. I do like the little,

when they get Willie out of the cage. I think that's a good suspense when it's going up and down. Yeah. And she slaps them. The miniatures, the miniature work to me now looks a lot like when they, would build models of rides

at Disney. I love it. And put a lipstick camera in there. That's exactly what they did. Yeah. But like that's, now it just,

it feels so miniature to me now. In that little program, they had like a 35 millimeter camera mounted on a little mind car wheel that would just follow stop motion and they'd take pictures. I love it.

That's so good. And the special effects was the team at ILOM, had a young. I think like 19-year-old David Fincher working on visual. Didn't he work on Jedi as well? Mm-hmm. Yeah.

I think he did. Those were the two ILM things and then he popped over to music videos and stuff. But yeah, that mind car, yeah, you can see the miniatures and the, but it's, yeah, it has a charm. We talked, I think, about the sort of, hey, if you got problems with the fridge, look no further than the mine car going over and lay. ending perfectly on a gap of track. And I do, I'm on record. I do not have problems with the fridge. I don't have problems with the fridge.

In fact, the first third of that movie, it's pretty good. First third of the movie is pretty good. Yeah, I feel like the beginning is really sure. Princeton part. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a good thing. But yeah, the, I would imagine it had to be pretty cool

to see that in the theater, especially that's like the point of the movie where it's like wow they're still going it's like escalating the action like because there's no let's get quiet and talk and feel parts after that like after he gets out of the trance it's just like action for beginning to end and then don't take the left tunnel and I just love that that mine car that whoever built that for mining built it like a roller coaster with dips and gravity falls.

That's so true. It was supposed to, they were going to do that in Disneyland Paris. They were going to, that was what their Indiana Jones ride was going to be with the temple chase. Like, you go now and it's like, it is a roller coaster.

It's called, I figure what it's called. So it's some temple name. It's the view of kill right now. They're mine cars. You get in them and they're mine cars, but it's outside. Oh.

So it's just saying you're on like this, you're on, it's a roller coaster. I know. You guys are. Are you fans of the indie ride? I'm not. I don't,

I find it to be like clumsy and kind of squandered. Well, it recently underwent a long four-month refurbishment. And wasn't it like much better and then they had to like pull back a bunch of fire and stuff like. Didn't it get kind of tamed for? And then there was the falling debris that was made with the dry ice machine. No, an ice machine and the ice machine kept rusting and like that broke down very shortly after the ride came. out. But, you know, I'm excited for when we do an episode about that ride. Yeah, I love the ride. You do. Yeah. I love the pre show of the ride. That I like, yeah.

I like the line. Yeah. Where it is John. Say that about many roads. I know. That's true. It's weird because it's John Rees Davies and he talks to Karen Allen as Karen. What? I never noticed that. That's so funny. But, uh... Wait, where? She's in it? She's in it too, yeah. Karen Allen's in the pre-show. And he called her Karen? Yeah. But is he doing his Sala accent? Yes. It's so weird. That's perfect. That's my favorite theme part. I always heard that story that they wanted Harrison Ford.

And he said he had a really high price but for charity and Disney wouldn't pay it. And then it was also he said there was like a rude trash can that didn't say hello to him previously. Isn't now he's out. I'll do it if the trash can talks to me. Get rid of the trash can and I'll do it. No way, man. That's Matt. he's our bread and butter.

He makes Disney go. But yes, the guy who was making the mines, he definitely was also going home and playing a roller coaster tycoon, having a good time, desired some coasties. Yeah, coasties. There's lots of great little cause and effect things with a beam in front of it, the track switching.

I love when short round ducks out the guy and the guy grabs onto the mine car and then he walks up him. And then the look on that guy's face is like, you can do that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, do you guys know that book that's like, fortunately, unfortunately, have you ever read that book to your kids? It's like, unfortunately, he fell out of the plane.

Fortunately, he had a parachute. Unfortunately, the parachute had a hole. That's just like all Indiana Jones. Yes. It's just always fortunately, unfortunately. Yeah. And I think it reaches its peak of like funny, fortunately, unfortunately, when it becomes like verbalized to water, water, water,

then water comes. Yeah. And then, yeah. Yeah, water is a tough effect. Like when they're standing on that cave, they're in broad daylight now, which is already tricky. And then when they're standing there and that water comes out, it's iffy. I feel like that movie got a little,

ILM was a little head of their skis. They thought they could do stuff or something that. I think they were overwhelmed at the time. They were doing too many different things. Yeah. Yeah. But they got an Oscar for it. So what do I know? I do think it's like some shift between,

because that's the same summer. You mentioned Ghostbusters. that insanely came out the same day as Gremlins, Ghostbusters and Gremlins. The same summer as Temple of Doom. My theory of like everything has like seven years. So if you go like Star Wars 77 to Temple of Doom 84, that's like the Lucas Spielberg era.

After this, they wouldn't ever really kind of make a movie that was like socially irresponsible like this. And just kind of like wicked and yeah. But then also that summer, you could make the argument that Remlins and Ghostbusters were more the templates for Blockbusters for the next seven years, more than people weren't like making Indiana Jones Spielberg, Lucasy things. They were kind of doing this like Ghostbusters, Gremlins thing of like genre splicing. Like you could do comedy and paranormal comedy and monsters.

And it then becomes like the next seven years is post blockbuster. What does Spielberg make in that time period? So after that he makes the color purple, Empire the Sun, Always. Oh, man. Hook. Last Crusades dropped there in the middle. But it was definitely like he was out in the... That run of three movies, they always talk about how late Spielberg is.

He's kind of lost a step a little. But that... Well, then George Lucas goes completely into the wilderness. How are the Duck? Insane. And then doesn't direct anything, obviously, you know, for... like years. But then even and then like kind of goes into hibernation. It's just like ILM becoming a better CD-ROM company. Yeah. They made some great games, LucasArts. Hey, the Maniac Mansion,

right? Wasn't that a beloved? Yeah. But yeah, I think this is definitely, um, I don't think they get as like bonkers as this. It seems to be like kind of leaving it on the table. Yeah. The bridge, The bridge scene's terrifying. It's so great. I even love that at some point it looks like it cuts to, I don't know if it's like 16 millimeter grainy film because are they out on the bridge

with handheld cameras and that's why they couldn't have a certain film stock but you can feel the film stock change. I love that film stock change. When he's on the bridge, whatever like the shadow definition that happens on his body and face, I'm like,

God, I'd love Indiana Jones movie that look, they had that whatever that grit. I noticed it too. It's like 70s looking. I remember coming back from like swimming at the pool at the public pool coming back to the Jennery's house

they had HBO you said you watch it on HBO and we turn it on and it's just during the bridge thing and we're like doing that post swim snack that tastes so good like wet hair or wet trunks and watching like the bridge scene I was like it is like a true like oh nothing got better after that I was the happiest of my lake

with those dummies because every movie prior to this would just drop still dummies and they built these dummies with pneumatic limbs that were like in their resting state wanted to kick. You know, ironically. But they had little kill switches that were plugged into them. So when they fell from the bridge, those switches would pull out and the circuit would connect or whatever, or the valve would release and those things would start kicking. That's like those scuba steves you could basically like wind up and then their legs kicked. Yeah, exactly. And when those wide shots. I mean, it just looks like real

people falling. It's so good. The bridge scene is like the one that I'm maybe out of all the Indiana Jones movies where I watch and I'm like, I really don't know how they did some of this. Because they did it. If you look at the location, it's really funny because it's a completely dry riverbed. It's only like

that many feet above. Like it is all tricks that they use to make it look bigger and, you know, deeper. It's so great. The same tricks I use. We're going for a ride. Oh my God. Yeah, very funny.

That's he crazy. And then did you guys all stand up and cheer when the British Empire came in and save the day? Yeah, the real heroes of the Indiana Jones. It's like when the Marines come at the end of a James Bombing. I know. It really is. It really is. Yeah. That's true.

Yeah, yeah. And it's the guy from The Shining. We haven't even mentioned that. Yeah, so the guy who was earlier in the dinner scene. Yeah. It speaks to how sin that character is. that like when he shows up at the tumbo doom, I don't think many people at the theater were like,

yeah, the guy from the dinner's bed. I was, I was like, oh, we survived the gross foods. The new Marcus. We got him.

This movie has found it's Brody. And he should have been flipping out more about those snakes being on the dinner table and realizing. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. This guy can't get out of haunted large structures.

Oh, that reminds me. I don't know if you guys have gotten to see it yet, but for you two, as Indiana Jones fans, or for any of the listeners who are Indiana Jones fans,

this is, you gotta watch, Dig Man, D-I-D-M-E-N. Saw a billboard for that. Co-created by Neil Campbell, my buddy, 20-plus years,

and co-created with Andy Sandberg. There's four episodes out so so far. You watch them on comedy, Central after South Park. It is the funniest show and also legit great adventure stories. Like the, the, the, the, the muffins are really cool. And the villains have like really legit, great genre backstories and stuff.

I saw the billboard for that. And I was like, of course. Why has anyone done that already? I know. I know. It is the big, like, oh, my God, this should have did. This is the best. And particularly for an animated series, because you can go anywhere, do anything, draw anything.

It's amazing. And it's just spectacularly funny. Check it out. Check it out. Check it out. I'm looking forward to it. Well, then Molaram falls to his head hitting cliffside death eaten by alligators. I think he made it.

When he comes back and dialed it, you're like, come on. He could have survived that. Just missing two limbs. What if the villagers went on the search for the missing Sankar stones and then they got all evil and stole their own children? Ooh, towis. He goes back to the village and already all the plants have regrown. How long were they gone?

Well, there was a deleted scene where you show they get a plank of wood across the temple lava pit and let the kids run across. And then once they get across the makeshift bridge, they may fall apart. And so now Indie, Willie and Short Round are stuck on the other side

and that's when they go get on the mind cart. Yeah, meanwhile, the kids are fixing all the plants at the village. They've run away. I see. I never asked once, like, when they start running across the table and the palace, like, how they got out, I never thought about the lava pit. I guess that's why they cut the scene. It didn't necessarily. Yeah.

But having that little bit would maybe just give an extra bit of like, yeah. Well, they're on a whole other side of the bridge. But the kids, like, said, like, we need to get picked up at the museum by the school bus. You kind of all, like, wait outside. Like are all the kids just waiting for Indian Willie and Short Round to show up so that they can all do this like great? What's happening? And they have to. And they have to.

Yeah. Because they get Indian Willie and Short Round get to the village before the kids do even though the kids leave first. Yeah. So that means Indiana Jones and like a complete first assistant director move is like kids. Yeah. Would you to stand back there. When we get over the hill, you start running. I'm sure.

And when the kids went back, they had to go. Dayline, let's go. As Indy, do they go through the bugs and through the spike chamber back through the palace? Yes, they do. And that means also the spike chamber goes up and down a few times and they have to deal with them. All right. So did we rate? We did.

Out of the 007 scale. Oh, also short round and the elephant are best friends. That's right. Oh, you're my best friend. You're my best friend. I love that. It's so funny because it's like, well, he tells Indy that too. Yeah.

But that was, then he's like, oh, God, Indiana Jones can change just by drinking some blood. This elephant will never change. But he says that first about the elephant. It's when they're getting on the elephant. He goes, ha, you're my best friend. Oh, that's right. You're right. And then he tells Indy, you're my best friend.

I bet he tells that to everyone. I don't like short around anymore. Yeah, he tells everybody their best friend. Chatterlau, you're my best friend. Well, I was a kid telling somebody there was my best friend was gave me the same butterflies as when I first tell somebody I love you. I'd be like, I'm going to say it. Yeah. I think this is the right time.

Yeah. We're watching We'll be friends for a while, right? Yeah. If I were to say, hey, you're my best friend. What would you say? Check box. That's cool.

But yes, a ranking, a rating. Okay, so we all gave sevens, I'm assuming. Two Raiders. Yeah, I believe so. This one, for me, I'll go first because I'm probably going to be the lowest score of the bunch. You look at the scale, right? So 0, 7. What's the middle?

Three and a half. And you got to look at it. Just be careful. Hang on, I'm just saying, I'm just letting everyone know. Let's look at the scale as it is. So if I were to say something like this gets a five. Okay. It's not as bad as it sounds.

Yes. It's above average. I understand. I mean, if you're, if you are the person who likes it the least, are giving it a five, I can live with that. I think that that I will be the lowest score. But it is, it's above, it's above the median of three and a half because of the performances in the film. And that Harrison Ford read. you're going to we are going to yeah yeah it's just yeah full star in itself it's worth a point and a half

all right five for me uh six for me a six as well hey that's an average of a what five point seven or five six six now open on some point five five fives that we can have at our disposal down the line yeah correct yeah oh you're gonna need to utilize them as we yeah yeah you can even go point two five if you need to if you need to yeah yeah Okay, well, you've heard it here. I cannot wait to sit down and discuss the Last Crusade with you guys. It's going to be fun. I love that movie so much.

And I love that. You love it. I love the movie too, but I love that Matt loves it. I like it too. Last Crusade was always the demo VHS I'd put in when I was setting up a surround sound. Like in high school. Yeah. I didn't have surround sound, but I set up external speakers for my VCR.

Last Crusade was our first indie tape. that we owned on video. And then do you remember McDonald's like released videos once in like 91 and 90s? One of them was Temple of Dune. And one of them was Back to the Future.

That's funny. They were great things. It was Back to Future. Temple of Doom. Ghost. They were 99 cents? Is that what you said? Yeah, you'd get them with your dinner.

They would... Like a happy meal? Yeah, but for grown-ups. It was like Christmas time. This is a gift meal. Yeah. Yeah. And the V.

HHS has had the little McDonald's logo on the corner. Oh, I bet those are really collectible. Yeah. They're probably great everything now. So if you have one of those unopened kids, just go send it off to be graded. That's true. Yeah. But yeah, I guess that's probably how a lot of people.

All right. Well, join us sometime in the month of May for Indiana Jones and the last crusay. The luck crusade. And then we'll be June for Crystal Skull. And then Dial of Destiny comes out June 30th. We'll see it and then probably do it shortly thereafter in the month of July. And the fact that we're all grown men with small children. Yeah.

Do we have a midnight screening in us? I will for this. Yeah. I may already. You're probably going to do a preview Thursdays like 7 p.m. 8 p.m. Probably. Probably. Yeah.

Yeah. I betrothed my long time friend Jeremy and I will probably go see this. But you guys are more than well. welcome to join. Yeah, Jeremy should come with all of us. Okay, I love that idea. Yeah, maybe he can even join us. You keep up your end of the bargain.

Yeah. We'll get a fifth member and everybody can dress as their favorite cigar stone. I'm definitely a number two. I don't know what you guys are. I took the test once, the quiz online.

Which one did you get? He was like four, but I didn't want to be. So you're one of the unfounds. Yeah, I wish I was one of the ones. I'm neither village nor first found. Just kind of middle, middle child Shankara Stone. Matt, who are you?

First found. Oh, wow. Yeah, all right. I'm probably the best. Which crystal scholar are you guys? The one that's just plastic and stuffed with cellophane? The one that controls knowledge. Okay. Not time. All right. We'll see you next month.

Bye. Bye.