James Bonding - Indiana Jonesing with Paul Rust

Episode Date: September 13, 2023

Paul Rust joins the Boys of Bonding to discuss the similarities between the 007 and Indiana Jones franchises. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Matt and Matt and. Mad and. Well, check, check, check. Check, check, check. Check, check. Checkeroo. You guys sound great. You look great. We feel great. That's what's most important. That's it. Health. All right. You guys ready?

I believe so. This is James Bonding. My name's Matt Gourley. I'm Matt Myra. I still haven't figured out a podcast intro, really. No, we don't need one. We don't need one because sometimes the gun barrel sequence is first. Sometimes it's last, sometimes it's right after, right before the opening credits. It's anywhere.

Sometimes it's just three blind mice playing for a while before the movie really starts. And today we have with us. I'm very excited about this. Paul Rust is joining us not for just a James Bond episode, but for what we'll, I think, call James Bonding Indiana Jonesing. Hi, Paul. I love it. It's a great name. I know.

It just occurred to me right now. Jonesing is its own verb that is used in the same way. bonding is. Didn't you come up with that last season? You know what? Don't remember, but I'll take credit for it. Thanks, man. You bet. You bet. Well, thank you for having me. And more specifically, thank you for allowing me to invite myself onto this podcast at accepting my forced invitation.

No, Paul, you're always welcome on this show. Sometimes we just don't want to bother people that we like and respect. Getting a call from a girl you wanted to ask at, you know? I emailed you guys just being like I'm a big fan of the show. Wait, Paul's into us? But yes, now I recall, you did point out the Indiana Jones scene. Listen, we are, we just find that both franchises have so many similarities.

It's true. And they're both just a hoot. Intentionally so, and it turns out that you're a huge Indiana Jones fan, so this seemed like the natural fit, which brings us here to tonight. Yeah, what did you guys feel was the, the genesis of these two being brought together. Just conversations would inadvertently dovetail into... You find that... Did I just pour tea out?

No, it just sounded like I did. That was crazy. I thought I was literally pouring tea out. And I looked at the tea level and I was like, there's no way I could have done it. I had a guest over at my house today and I got so excited. I dumped coffee out of my couch. And it reminded me of like two years,

living in LA, a guy who I went to college with moved out to Los Angeles and he became my roommate. And my wife always laughed at the story that on our first night that we were like roommates, I was so excited he was in LA and I had a buddy. And I was asking him like, well, what do you want to do? Do you want to go to Six Flags or Disneyland? And as I was pouring his Coke into a glass, I went, did you like, uh, uh, I was like a, I was like, do you like six flags? And as I was saying that, I was pouring coke and it was dumping out of the glass.

And I just imagined that my roommate was like, oh boy, what have I done? What have I done? Do you like six flags? I just signed a year lease and this guy's dribbling Coke. Dumping Coca-Cola everywhere. I got to know. Did you guys make it to six flags? We did it.

Did you make it to six months? It's funny the beauty of both of these franchises is I think that it's a strong lead surrounded by henchmen, clear villains, and a femme fatale. That's true. That's true. And even in the production process, there are many overlaps. The casting and also intentions of Stephen Spielberg, who wanted to do. do a James Bond movie and went to Cubby

Broccoli apparently twice, once after close encounters, and then I think after no, maybe it was after Jaws, I can't remember, but Broccoli basically said like you're not good enough. Wow. I know, isn't that crazy? Well, he was right.

What did that guy ever do after closing encounters? But it does make me think when we were talking about future Bond directors, I'd still love to see Spielberg take a crack. Yeah, but don't you feel like he's past it? No. Oh, you mean, you mean, oh, you mean him. him personally. Oh, maybe. Oh, that's interesting. I wonder if Stephen Spielberg got the call if he could resist. Yeah, I think he'd be like, yeah, that girl that, the one that got away.

It'd be like when Paul emailed us to do this podcast, like, oh, yeah, oh, well. But it does seem that they, historically, they have a very, because you guys were talking, what was it last week, in the previous Paul episode. That's right, yeah. Oh, we really got to follow up with Paul Tompkins. Paul to Paul. We should. Paul Williams. Let's just do it.

Paul from the wonder years. Who else do we know? Who else do we know Paul wise? Because if we put Paul F in... A shear? Done. We've already had... No, no.

We can have Paul back just for the month of Paul. Right. It'll be four weeks of Paul. That's right. Paul Timber. Paul tober would have been better. Paul Embers. Guys, Paul Vember.

Paul Vember. Yeah. That's perfect. But, yeah. that with Christopher Nolan, it does seem like they don't want to sort of, and I know Tarantino wanted to do a James Barmerie, but they're, they don't want to hand over the full, the keys over to one person. Doesn't Spielberg seem like the one a tour that would be safe to do that with because he's

kind of proven with Indiana Jones that that's where his interests lie, is that kind of thing? Because what's the story that after Star Wars was done shooting and a, Spielberg had finished close encounters had a hit they went to Hawaii before Star was open Lucas was sure that Star Wars was going to bomb and Spielberg said I want to do a bond movie and Lucas apparently said fuck that let's do I got something better than a bond movie yeah I see your bond and I yeah I raise you archaeology you're not really selling me George no listen hear me hear me out and instead of a secret agent he's a professor of archaeology.

Oh, boy. I would love to actually see, like, a play about, like, the three different times Spielberg and Lucas met on that Hawaii beach to, like, you know? So, first it's, like, 77. Oh, it's like same time next year. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What were the two movies that they traded profit points on? It was Close Encounters in Star Wars.

Oh, I mean, come on. Yeah. Come on. I also do, I guess I buy that, uh, George Lucas didn't believe that Star Wars was going to be it. Like, do you think that was partly like a humble brag? And he was like, Steve, we got to get out of the country. I don't know about this.

And you're a treat because I've had a real rough time and this thing's going to tank. I think, you know, Star Wars is such a big swing, you know? There had been nothing quite like it at that point. But have you also seen those documentaries where the crew in England was giving him hell and the studio, no one was behind him except for basically who, like, was it Alan Ladd? or who, I forget who, yeah, yeah. So I could see where he was like, for sure this is, I'm done. Yeah.

And so he, yeah, it's amazing that he would, uh, these two buddies, like, came together on a beach. We need a, we need a good third act for that play. Like, we need them to like, we need them to like, knock Indy 5 out of the park. A Steve Jobs sort of thing, like the three different. We got to send them to Hawaii again. Yeah. You know?

I saw Spielberg. I telling it, did I tell him it on this podcast? He was at SNL, the night Kumail hosted. Wow. I was like, I was seated very close to Kathleen Kennedy. I was like, first of all, I'm like, what the hell's Kathleen Kennedy doing here? Yes. And then I look down and I see Spielberg with an ascot standing next to Lorne.

And then I see the move of Spielberg turning, seeing Kathleen Kennedy and going, hi. Oh, my God. Kathleen. Oh, my God. Wait, he had an ascot on? He had an ascot on. And I was like, okay, you can do that. That's amazing.

I mean, I love Stevensfieldberg. I've, uh, ever since I was a boy, but also like when you're in college and you're in, you know, some film class and you find yourself like knee jerk defending him to your snobby film teacher who's like dismissing him when they're like, oh, he's a manipulative. He's a manipulative. filmmaker and you're like, that's what making movies is. It's just a series of manipulations. And if this guy's great at it, like, so be it. That's a really good point.

In my early 20s, might have been late teens, I, you know, Jaws is my favorite movie of all time. And I was, we're obsessed with. Me and my buddy John, super obsessed with. We were down on Cape Cod and we were in a restaurant and we saw a man that we still think

to this day was Stephen Spielberg at the restaurant, like picking up takeout food because, you know, it's over near Hyannis. You know, there's a lot of giant houses there. The Kennedy's there. Maybe he's hanging out with somebody. And we see him and hear him and it's like, oh, fuck, I think that is Steven Spielberg. And he goes out to the parking lot and we look and he gets in a very nice Audi.

Okay. And he pulls out, drives away. And we're like, oh, my God, I think that was Steven Spielberg. And we look in the parking spot and there's like condensation water. from the air conditioning and we're just like, I don't know what to do. We just grabbed the condensation water like baptized ourselves in Stevens Spielberg's

air conditioning condensation. I thought you said that you know, look on the ground and he had some kind of residue like Steven Spielberg leaves a slime trail or something like that. You just an Oscar fellow. Everywhere he goes. Yeah, I've never laid my own eyes on Stevens Pilburt,

but it would be a wondrous thing. It is truly a sight to be held. We both went to Calais. State Long Beach, and I think he didn't, maybe didn't finish, but they gave him an honorary degree at some point, maybe when I was there? I don't know. Of course they should. Why not? Yeah, yeah. They should like bring them back. Yeah. Yeah. Name a wing after them. They probably have at this point. Yeah. They got to do that. Did you watch the, uh, uh, documentary, the HBO. I haven't. I have it ready to go. Yeah. I've watched it a couple times now.

I didn't even, what is it? Oh, the HBO documentary. Is it an HBO documentary on Spielberg? Yeah. You've watched it a couple times? Yeah. Wow. It's called Spielberg. and it's like a two and a half documentary. Guys, there's no talk of the terminal. I'm in. That's funny. That's one of the things I heard. Yeah, and I love the terminal.

I've never seen it. I genuinely love that movie. So I was, I wouldn't say, disappointed that. What is the late period movie they hit on the most? Catch me if you can, or? That's in there. Is Munich in there? I love Munich.

Sure. Gets a good spotlight on it. I just watched Minority Report last week, and that gets a, a fair amount of attention. Do you guys see the trailer for the post? I did. I saw that. All my sweets box.

Yeah, I haven't watched it. I have a weird, my friend didn't watch the trailer for Kill Bill Volume 1. And he was like, when I went on an opening day on Friday,

and I saw Kill Bill and the moment where Umah Thurman kicks Vivica A. Fox in the face and I made a kung fu sound. He was like, I wasn't prepared for it because I hadn't seen any of the And from that point forward, I was like, I'm not going to watch trailers of filmmakers whose movies I'm really excited about.

That's very smart. So I haven't watched it because I want to be, I want to go in. Did you do that with Inglorious Bastards? You didn't watch your own trailer. No, I did watch them. Okay. I don't know how I would resist. I couldn't resist.

And I freeze frame my own face. Hey, look, there's me. The Post is, it's that Nixon era politics, which I am so. fascinated by the look of like Washington in the 70s plus. What a journalism. Timely film. Oh my God. I can't wait for it.

And Spielberg and Merrill Streep and Tom Hanks. Bob Odenkirk. Oh boy. Forget it. Forget it. That's great. And yeah, what, well, here I am breaking my own rules. But is it like all the president's menzies?

It's got that feel. Yeah. Menzies. All the president's menzies. I think it'll get you like more like riled up for journalism than that even which is that even possible. I watch that movie like once a year. I love that movie too.

How to spotlight hang? I love spotlight. Well, and I just when I said, uh, shined a spot earlier. When I said that, I was like, am I confusing things by the spotlight talk of it all? What is the, you know, there's movies that I wish I could have, could go back in time and not have seen a trailer for. And the movie that is most in that realm for me is Terminator 2. Because if you had not seen a trailer for Terminator 2, you would know what was real. You would not know that Schwarzenegger was not there to kill John Connor.

Right, or that he was a good guy. Or what's a metal man even. You'd have this whole other experience. Yeah, with a scream during the movie, what's a metal man? Hey, what's a metalman? Why are we freaking out, everybody? Let's get out of here. There's going to be metalmen.

They got one in this movie. He must be real. Two weeks ago was the last performance of T23D at Universal Orlando. Oh, I missed it. Today, this very day, no exaggeration just for podcast entertainment guys. I was watching an interview with James Cameron. That was like a weird, somebody was reading him questions from like that people were sending in online.

So it was like that weird delay of like, we're going to read you a question and he's hearing it and then answering it. But it was to promote T23D. Oh, wow. And it reminded me of just like, oh, James Cameron is awesome, obviously. Yes. But unlike Spielberg, I have zero emotional connection to any of his characters like whatsoever. I feel the same way. And you guys talk about true lies a lot on the James.

bonding podcast and I think it's like a great Bond movie in its own right but I don't um oh boy I'm dipping my toe into the pool of controversy no aliens is maybe the only one that's ever pulled me in character wise other than comedically I've like yeah you liked comedic characters of his but yeah that's that's interesting too though that was my first rated our movie in the theater it was 1991 I was a total of seven years old oh boy and And when that endoskeleton crushes that skull, it's the biggest jump scare I've ever had in a movie to this date. Wow. And, God, I love that movie.

Who took you? What was the... My friend, my best friend growing up, Heath, his mother took us. Unbeknownst, like, she just... No, like, we had this whole... The first rate of our movie I ever saw was at Heath's house. It was called Total Recall. It was a movie called Total Recall.

It was Total Recall. And I remember very vividly, I think it was six when I was when we were watching... Total Recall. His father was like, well, I don't know if we can show it to Matt. I'll have to call his mother. And I just hear Mr. Waterman on the phone just going, yeah, you know, I mean, it's not bad, bad. There's some, you know, there's some violence. Are there any breasts in it?

How many? Specifically. At a minimum three. But just like hearing him scammed my mother into letting me watch Total Recall was a delight. And it's fantastic. My friend, a long-time friend and collaborator Neil Campbell, one of his greatest childhood memories is his dad coming. His mom was going to like out for the night and his dad walked at the living room to him and his little brother and was like,

you guys want to go see T2? Yeah. Like, dad doesn't know it's R-rated or whatever, you know. It's the best feeling in the world. My first R-rated movie in the theater was The Good Son. Oh, yes. The McCauley-Colkin. Yeah.

Somehow Amanda and I watched that on a romantic vacation day. Oh, hi. Like in the room at one point, we'll let's watch this movie. Were you terrified? Like, yeah, I don't know why that came up at that point, but I'm trying to remember. What was your first? In the theater, I have no idea because for some reason my house was watching R-rated movies from day one.

So I've told this story many times. Yeah. When I was four. Jesus Christ. Whoa. Something like that, yeah. And now you're just a stone's throw away from... I know, and I went there for Halloween.

Haddonfield? Yeah, Haddonfield, yeah. How was... That movie came out in what? 78 or 78 or 78? Yeah. So, no, I must have been six or seven, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Is it a scene over there at the Halloween house on Halloween? It is because the best part is, is all of these, like Michael Myers' cosplayers come as a mecca, like just a pilgrimage. And then they wait their turn. so someone will go on the porch. By the way, it's like a state farm insurance house now

that is a business. And so they have a sign that's like, please don't come in, please stay off the porch. Like, we're tired. And so the best part is whoever is up on the porch is really doing their Michael Myers. But the real show is down below where the Michael Myers are waiting to go in

because they're out of character and their posture is kind of slumped. Or like they don't have the same physique. They have their mask like pushed up to their forehead. Do you think like some of them take pride in finding the original Captain Kirk mask and cutting the eye holes themselves? There was one and he even had a girl as Lori Strode with the ripped sleeve in the blood. And that actually when I, I'd never seen that before and it did give me quite a chill. But then immediately I pan over to the left and there's just like a four, four foot nine Michael Myers like waiting.

I wish it was Dr. Loomis. And then there was one who was like trick-or-treating with, he was huge. but he had a tiny little ballerina daughter with a pumpkin thing. Oh my God. That's what I love about a Pasadena. You'll go down a street, you'll turn, you'll see like Lori Strode's house. Yeah. And then turn the corner and it's Pee Wee Herman's house.

And then you'll turn another corner and it's George McFly's house. And then you'll turn another corner of the theater where the player killed the screenwriter and the player. Yeah. I think because whatever, it seems like it's because it looks like the son. suburbs or something like they're like it can look like any town USA yeah still weirds me out that the ferris bueller house is in long beach i know i've seen it because i used to live in long beach yeah the the wayne manor from 60s batman is about three blocks from here i thought about taking the the jaunts my old manager anytime you want i you can only see the brick wall

there's like because it but the house from bowfinger and topper and clue is all one house and that burned down but you can still see the giant like a state foundation and all of the stairs up to the house, but that there's just no house. My old manager at the Apple store at the Grove, Jeff, he grew up in the Batman house. What? That was his house. Here? This one?

Yes. In the, when was he living there? When was he Batman? It would have been in the 70s, 80s. Oh my God, that would have been. So it was close enough to. Oh my God. What if he was Batman?

I haven't seen him and Batman in the same place. No one has. It's unbelievable. All right, let's get into this. Yeah, we've talked too much. I mean, should we dive into, should we pretend this is the pilot for Indiana Jonesing? It's a backdoor piloting. Like they just did with Stranger Things.

Yeah, or the, the facts of life, backdoor pilot of, different strokes. Different strokes. In which case, then, Paul, I have to ask you, as we ask every guest here, what, What is your first experience with Indiana Jones? Oh, guys, I've been waiting to be asked this question. I've listened to it about my drives to work back and forth. Well, we always, we never get to say our James Bond one because we did that in the beginning, but now we haven't done Indiana Jonesing, so we all get to say our first experience.

Well, let me just say when you guys were talking in the last week's episode about how you first with Skyfall and CityWalk. It truly like warbed to my heart. like, this is how they met. Guys, let's promise if we're not seeing going to Indiana Jones 5 with anyone else in 30 years that we go with each other. We have to go. We have to go. We'll be wrong if we don't.

I just saw Thor Ragnarok at the same theater. And I went to like an 1110 showing. And I walked out and it was with Andy who did the music episode with us. And I walked out of there and I just looked up at the screen and I just was like, no, it's not right. I just kept walking. Isn't it nice that you two still talk to each other? It could be one of those like heavy-hearted things where you go to a location that you know,

I went here with my ex. Too many memories, yeah. Long ago. Obama was president. What a time. What a time. It was post-racial America. It was pre-spectory.

Pre-racial. What was a, well, we'll double back to the, what was your first Indian Jones thing. But what was my first James Bond? No, no, no, this is the pilot. Well, you know what? Well, let's take you for granted. No, no, I'm sorry, I miss hers you.

I got excited. I'd say let's have you on for a regular James Bonding episode later. So we'll save that. So now do, we'll all do our Indies. Yes. I'm going to allow Paul right now to pick his movie. Which James Bond movie that we have not done in this new season would you like to do? Yes, reserve.

That's a good idea. Is the room spitting for you guys? You know what? Because I, as I, when I first emailed you guys, being like, could I be on your podcast? I was like, I think my way into it is that I haven't seen all the James Bond movies. So maybe I could be the avatar for the person who hasn't watched all the James Bond movies and the listener could experience it through me.

So I would say one that I haven't seen. Have you seen? I'm trying to think of what you. What would be great for someone who hasn't seen a new bond movie to be like, what the fuck is happening here? I'm trying to think. I feel like the answer is Moonraker. If you haven't seen Moonraker, that might be the answer. Yeah.

Well, with a lot of these, I've just, you know, what's amazing about the network stars is they're constantly showing J.S. Vaughn movies. So you can just like click on them. Sure. And just like watch 20 minutes, you know, when you're hanging out. Yeah. Yeah. But I haven't seen Moonraker from beginning to end. Okay.

Let's do it. That one's a real... Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Great. That's it. That's great. Lood rate.

Okay. So then we'll hear about your... Wait, wait, wait. I had another idea. Oh, geez. Oh, boy. It's a real writer's room. Which...

Which James Bond movie has the most people from Indiana Jones in it? Oh, yes. That's a good question. Okay, so we got... Well, the fellow from Crusade who's in an octopus. Yeah. Yeah. Wait, which...

Now, the guy from Free Rise Only? Donovan? Or is there another one from... No, Donovan. Donovan's correct. In Octopus when he comes, and the guy who plays on the... He plays the little snake.

He plays the James Bond theme on the snake charred. VJ. Armatured? He's the guy who, in Last Crusade, shows the tattoo of the cross on his chest. No. Oh, boy. You know what? It's a moot point because I know the answer.

Forget it. Forget it all. Unfortunately, it's already been done. It's a view to a kill. Because you've got Wuhan, from Temple of Dune and Allison Dutie from Last Crusade. You said Allison. So, well, we have Reese Davies.

John Reese Davies. But we've already used him, too. Oh, boy. All right, Moonwrecked is. But there are more. There's definitely more. Isn't the guy who plays the bad Nazi in Last Crusade in one of the Brosmans? I'm sorry.

Did you just qualify Nazi with the adjective bad? There's good people on both sides. Good people on both sides. All right, Matt. Paul, looking for a new co-host. For Matt Goreley? Why? Because he doesn't see that life is great.

I just a same joke twice of the like, you expect the one thing or the other, whatever. Yeah, Martin Donovan, he's the bad guy in for your eyes only, right? Yes. Yes, that's right. Can we just say to be Martin Donovan and be an Empire Strikes back? I know. That's the trifecta.

A James Bond movie. And I'm not a Game of Thrones. That's right, Game of Thrones. But he's in Game of Thrones as well, right? Right. Mr. Holy crap. That guy's did, yeah.

As far as Donovan's go. Right. He's the Forrest Gump of film. I know. There's a few other guys like that out there. I like that. It's a film. He's the film of film.

Well, so is Moonwraker correct? I think Moonraker's the answer. Because it'd be nice to hear someone. As long as you're up for a bonkers slog. Sure. Yeah, it's bad shit to say. It's fun, though. I like it.

Bonker slog. Yeah, bonkers. That was the original. Okay, so we are going to hear Paul's first experience with James Bond in the episode of Moonraker that we're going to be doing soon. But right now on Indiana Jonesing, we'd like to ask. Paul, what's your first experience with Indiana Jones? Well, it was, you know, you guys, it comes up often here that a dad gets you into James Bond.

And your dad. A dad goes, hey, I like this. And you're like, okay, dad, I want to like the same things you like. Dad, do you like six flags? My dad a diet coke all over the place My dad was very actively When I grew up He was always like

I don't like two kinds of movies Kung Fu movies and James Bond movies So I did not have The James Bond dad I've heard of indifferent dads but actively abstaining you from James Bond. I mean, that's a call for social services, maybe, to have you taken away.

They tried. Mr. Russ, it is time you face the panel here. I cannot believe this. I know. Can you even imagine? I've never seen a dad like this. If my dad met your dad's, how would they even be able to untie this nut?

Yeah, I don't know. Oh, boy. I'm sorry, I'm going to just let people who are listening to this right now, like let that register for them. I know you're talking. People who's 99.9% of the people listening to this have found bond through their dad. It probably is like finding out your dad wasn't your dad. Well, maybe in this case.

But on the flip side, my first experience was I woke up, I think, near Christmas, maybe even Christmas morning or something. And my dad, and my oldest sister, I have two older sisters, they were having a conversation about Temple of Doom. And my sister, I think, had seen it in the theater, and my dad was like, you know how if you run a movie, you're going to watch it the next day,

but maybe Dad was up and just put the movie to watch it to go to sleep to. So they started talking about Temple of Doom, and I was like, what is this? This sounds so fascinating. And they were, I've legitimately thought I've learned the rules of storytelling

from how my parents at the breakfast table talked about the movie they rented the night before. But it was probably so pure, right? Yeah, because they're just like breaking it down to like, because my dad would fall asleep like halfway through. So my mom's like, oh, and jagged edge. There's no twist. Yeah, they kill, they accuse that person.

You're just like hearing it and like in the morning when you're sort of waking up and you're like coming to And you're like, okay, I guess that's, but I remember hearing Temple of Doom, and they were both so ecstatic about it. But this is blowing my mind that your entree to Indiana Jones was Temple of Doom. Like, you hadn't even gotten Raiders yet, which is the amazing one. Yes, of course. I mean, comparatively, I like Temple of Doom, but that's your way in. Yeah, yeah, and that, and in a weird way, I feel like that's right.

Like when I was, up until I was like, whatever, 11 or 12. I was like, Temple of Doom is the best one. And then you rewatch it, you're like, oh, it was made for a 10-year-old. So that's why I, like, loved it so much because it was just catering to every sensibility. The side of 10, and I didn't care for it then. Oh, really?

Oh, man. Yeah. This is one that I will go to bat for, but expect... I get it. I expect to not be able to defend it. Oh, it's... You know? Like, I...

I mean, I'm not going to be as mean about this as say you are about Pierce Brosnan, but... You're confusing mean with realistic. Listen, he is yet to reply to my email asking him to come on the show. No, I didn't. Oh, my gosh. I couldn't do that. I would hurt him so much.

I will quit this show. I can feel my heart like palpitating when you bring it up. You know how they do those? I wonder if there's a, it's like, you know how they do those weird retrospectives at Sketchfest? I wonder if there's a way we could get them to somehow book Peers process. Don't pull out your phone like you're going to email somebody. about it. You make me incredibly nervous. Or if it was like

a this is your life thing, where like Matt Goreley's brought onto the stage under false pretenses and then Pierce Prostin walks out. I honestly think my dear friend Matt might die. If that happened, like if we came out on stage and then I'm not surprised too. I am not the

type that can take being in any way the cause of someone's like of negative feedback. Well, we've all felt that bind, which is like, I know the person's biography and personality, and I think they're a good person, but I just, like, I don't admire them as an actor. And what if you were in that bind in front of an audience of 300 people? How would you respond? I don't know. I'd leave. I would leave. Oh, you would not come back out on stage. I would beg forgiveness.

I would say, well, and now this is stuff that's true. Like, I couldn't do what he does. I, I, I, I, I, I like him as an actor. Otherwise, I think it is those movies. Well, I don't know. I don't want to back pedal. I mean,

they're not my favorite movies. How do we get back on this? Let's get back meddling. Well, we were talking a little, we were talking about Temple of Doom, which I said I had similar feelings to, as Pierce Bros.

How long after you see a Temple of Doom, Paul, do you see a Raiders followed with a last crusade? I think I went a temple. of Doom and then maybe a hint of a Raiders and then

I was going to say mom but I hate it when people go mom and it's like say your mom or my mom it's not your mom like mom's coming into town tonight and you're like my mom she brought home

last crusade like the and I think that was like yeah the time that you could buy a copy that wasn't like $95. Right, when they started coming down to like $10 or $20. This is Iowa, right? Where are you from? Iowa, yeah.

So I watched that then like 500 times and then circled back around to vendors. Yeah. They did put out the VHS that formed the one picture of Indiana Jones. Yeah, it was. Oh, right. That's right. Yeah, I think I had that. The brown or the sides.

The spines, yeah. Oh. The front would be insane. I know. How did you? What? It's beautiful. And then

Temple of Doom, I think McDonald's had like a... McDonald's, that was the same year they made the Back to the Future VHS, right? Yes. That had like the McDonald's logo in the corner. Oh, what?

Like on the broadcast? I feel like ghost also. You mean like when you watch it? It's down there? Any sort of paramount or universal. No kidding. But like it's funny that a... No, just on the cover.

Sorry. The arc of like video cassette ownership was like It went from, it cost $95 to buy this to, like, you go to McDonald's and you buy a meal when it comes with a free coffee. I know. It happened overnight or some dude figured out, or woman, figured out that, like, you

would sell more cheaply. I remember for Christmas, my dad bought my sister and I, Empire Strikes Back, but the $100 one. And that was like our whole Christmas. Yeah. And she was like, what? And I was like, yeah. Like the year before, I think we got Atari 2,600. And this year we got one VHS copy.

Well, and I think that's what Temple of Doom was, like, it's also wrapped up in my first memory of us running a VHS. And, like, there was a thing where we had HBO. And then it was like, we got rid of HBO once we got the VCR because we could get any movie there. I don't really buy that. No, Paul, it's on our terms now. But, yeah, so when, like, Temple of Doom was put in the next morning, and I was watching it, it was like, so thrilling. It had to be. Terrifying.

Terrifying movie. What was your guys' first Indiana Jones exposure? Take it away, man. I was trying to think of an archaological. When did I first? Well, when I first, when I first unearthed the Indiana Jones trilogy, so I, my, my sister. So I My sisters were

Were huge Fans of Harrison Ford You know By virtue of Star Wars My sisters were big Star Wars fans And then they were also Anglo-Files So like your James Bonds Etcetera

Your Beatles so on and so forth Sounds like a solid family Yeah Yeah started great Didn't go great So you know They Just like they franchise a video show

Exactly We are on our crystal skull My sister, Julie, finally, did not two months ago. She finally moved to England. Oh, my God. Because she likes it so much. Her fiancee, she met on the internet, is from England. She was catfishing English dudes?

Excuse me, blokes. And is catfish a regional London? No, it's a... Speaking of catfish... It's a push flipper. I was behind Max from catfish in line for pizza at like one o'clock in the morning in New York last weekend, and I took a picture of him. and I was like trying to think of anyone on the West Coast who would care and was awake to like send the picture to.

And I hope you found nobody. He's better looking in real life. Like you're doing your own catfish. I only managed to like send it to my wife who was asleep. And Lauren Greenberg, who is a writer for Corden, but I was talking to her about Dave Matthews at the time. So I knew she was awake. And they both were underwhelmed. Oh, come on.

I was like, you don't understand. It's... And they were like, unmistakable hair. I was like, yes, that's exactly it. And what was he ordering? Two slices, bro. Oh, wow. Two slices.

See, Paul got excited. I don't... Is he able to... From the MTV show or the movie or both? From the MTV show and the movie. I remember the movie, but I don't remember that. Oh. Guy.

All right. Yeah, I'm sorry. Okay. The point is. Tangential of conversations. What previous movie went from horror film? film like underground indie horror film to MTV cable series scream hey

all right sure well teen wolf right oh my god wait they have a formula real world there's a horror movie refilling a format so they had they had the VHS is when I was growing up I remember the release of Last Crusade but I remember vividly watching of Temple of Doom and Raiders, seeing the second half first, and then seeing the beginning eventually. Wow. My sisters would hoard their tapes,

like they wouldn't allow me to use their VHSs. Wait, you had two older sisters? Two older sisters? I had two older sisters as well. I had an older sister, one older sister. Oh, maybe that's why we're all like this. Yeah, you know, wearing glasses on a podcast. That's right.

And an ability. to spend a day shopping and being okay with it. Yeah. Seriously. I love it. I walk into a Sephora and I smell the scent of perfume and I'm like, I'm at home. I could sit here and just watch somebody. It's actually very meditative and pleasurable for me.

I have no problem with it. Yeah. Yeah, I don't mind a day of shopping. Because back to school shopping meant I got a film flubs book. We'd go to B. Dalton. We'd buy a film club's book. And I would just like hang out. My sisters would go back to school shopping.

I'd, like, sit there, and they'd come out in their different clothes, and my mom and I would go, yeah, that's cute. You know? That's amazing. That has to be the thing that unites us. The three stones from Temple of Doom? That's right. The Shankerer Stones. That's right.

My sisters had it, so I, you know, saw, it was, so I saw Temple of Doom. I saw the middle of Temple of Doom. And I was like, this is so awful. I thought, as a child, I thought, the snake thing's crazy, the monkey brains is gross. Why am I watching this movie? But you're a little boy and not going, this is great.

Oh, I thought it was so gross. How old were you? By that point, I was probably, Last Crusade had not come out yet. So I was probably in six, six years old range. Okay. Yeah, I was probably like five. I mean, it is like one of those, like, logging on,

the earliest memories for me. Were you guys scared? Because that movie has darks. Oh, boy. Oh, it's very scary. Implying the heart out was, yeah. It was so scary. And you rewatch it now and it's slightly like cartoonish.

Right. But it was for me at the level of like Friday the 13th of like, oh, I'm watching this like. Horrifying. Yeah. Horrifying. Matt, I mean, they all have been in the room. Gourley. It's just like, you got to see Raiders in the theater.

I did. Oh, boy. You son of a bitch. Envy. Well, let me tell you how this went down. I have now seen them all in the theater, but... I only saw Crystal Skull in the theater. Oh, God.

And my priest, when Last Crusade came out, he did a sermon about Last Crusade, and I turned to my sister, and I was like, there's an Indiana Jones movie in the theater? That's how I found out about, like, Last Crusade was out. And it was... I saw a Ghostbust movie. two in the theater.

Yes. I saw Batman. Marketing failed you. And somehow I missed it. And I wish I would have been eight and gotten a scene last few said in the theater, would have blow my mind. Well, I actually saw Star Wars in the theater. I was so young.

It's one of my earliest memories. I don't know if I've conflated that with the re-releases that I've seen. So I've been told that I saw it in the theater. So I have a memory of seeing it at some point in the theater. Anyway, I was obsessed with it. and Han Solo especially. And it was a similar thing where this movie Raiders came out, and I never saw a commercial.

I never saw a preview for it. I didn't even know it was out. And my dad of all people whom I loved dearly, he brought me into James Bond, but he's always a step behind pop culturally because he was kind of a business guy and that sort of thing. But we were swimming in a pool, and he's like, Matt, I tell you, I saw this movie.

And at this point, my parents had divorced, and I think he had gone on a date or something. He didn't mention that, but he's just, he just had this fire in his eyes, like he had a great night, right? And he's like, I can't even explain it to you. This fella, he goes in, he gets this gold. He's like, I don't know if he's a robber or what he is. He's abandoned of some kind, but you like him.

And just danger after danger, and just when you think he's out of it, it starts all over again. Then, of all people, my two best friends growing up were these two Jehovah's Witness girls, Kelly and Christy Grinager, and they... Not related. Not related. No relation. On either side of our house. They, I mean, didn't celebrate any holidays and barely went to any movies.

And here they are going, we saw this movie about this guy getting gold. You've got to see this thing. And everybody was telling me about this movie. That's everyone's takeaway in Long Beach. There's a guy who gets gold, Matt. You've got to see this movie. Well, this is wittier. But also, people are burying the lead.

No one's telling me this is Hans Solo in this movie. So finally, my mom, I think my, maybe. my stepdad at the time. He was maybe dating my mom. I can't remember, but we went to see it. And I'm like, wait, Han Solo, basically a cowboy adventure. I was blown away.

James Bonning's my favorite franchise. James Bonn is my favorite franchise. But Raiders as a movie. I know. Raiders as a movie is probably my favorite of anything. Favorite entertainment. I think so.

Yeah. Wow. I love it so much. I was blown away by it. I've said this before. but I am embarrassed to save it after a cat that I love died. We buried in the backyard and years later as a boy, I had my Indiana Jones costume and I dug up my kid.

And you release the spirit that melted your face. But then Temple of Doom comes out on my birthday in 1984, but I was grounded and my parents said we're now not going to go see it. Then my grandfather passed away and they went, Okay, we'll let you go see it And so it had this like It was an emotional time What was the scan of time between the

It was all within a week Like whatever I did I don't remember what I did to get grounded I got grounded Then my grandfather passed away And then we went as a family As like he had just passed away And we kind of went as a like

You know let's have a nice day kind of thing And then so I have such a soft spot For that movie It was also like I was I was What year was Raiders 81? So I was eight but Temple of Doom, I was 11. You know, I was a man at that point.

I could really appreciate a film. Still not allowed to go see that movie, though, without parental guidance. I know, because it's the second PG-13 movie. Temple of Doom? Yeah. No, it was the thing that ushered him. Well, no, I have a little information on this. I love it.

Okay. It was the first to be given the PG-13 rating, I believe, but not the first release. Red Dawn was actually the first. Let me fact-check. I think it was. Grimlins and Temple of Doom came out and they were like, wait a minute, I'm bringing my kids to see creatures eating, creatures exploding in microwaves

and hearts getting pulled out. I think Red Dawn was the first of a release, but something like the lady in red was maybe the... Oh, here it is. No, this, it's Temple of Doom caused the PG-13 rating. Red Dawn is the first PG-13. On August 10th, 1984. I'm curious what you were on,

which is like the MPW. rated a movie. I'm on Fox News.com. Oh, that explains earlier. Business Insider. There was something like, officially they raided a movie and then Temple of Doom

or Red Dawn was the second one, but Red Dawn came out first before the movie that they officially gave the PG-13 too. So Red Dawn, I think, is good. My sister, the lady in red, the Gene Wilder sex farce. Sexed

They were like It was like The first movie that on HBO You saw the PG-13 rating Come up before the movie You know And they like Put up the little logo

My mom took me to see Red Dawn In the theater Oh boy And I was obsessed of that movie So she took me again And at that point I had a toy AK-47 And I remember we had a Volkswagen bus

And we got out of that movie And I got in the back of the bus And started firing out the back Like fake firing And going like Mom get us out of Get us out of here. But it was like in the parking lot of a mall.

Mother Russia. But it was like a scene from Back to the Future where there's a Volkswagen bus barreling through a mall parking lot with 847s flashing. Twin Pines Mall. And then, which is Pointe Hills, which is right by where I grew up. I used to go to movies there too.

Unbelievable. I went, my buddies and I once did really cool. Like filming locations tour of Back to the Future. And we were like, let's do that's great pines and then like oh lost point this is so far out from everything else yeah

it's a lot easier to look at the bus stop where Marty McFly starts as Delorean outside the Greek theater oh I didn't realize that's where that is and then the gamble house is like five minutes from here that's Doc Brown's house that tunnel from two is up there too up at Griffin's park which is also the tunnel to Tune Town

yes which came out like a year after the back to the future part two so I just imagine Robert Zemeckis like he did who free broad driving. And they're like, we need a tonne. I was like, fucking. He never left. He never left. He never left.

He was still there. Yeah. So that was like his, God, what were the two movies did back to back? Castaway and what lies beneath. Yeah. He filmed half of Castaway.

Then Tom Hanks lost the wait and he did what lies beneath between with Harrison four. Yes. I was like, who is the actor and what lies beneath? That's right. Well, you're talking about like,

oh, nobody was telling me, it's Hans. Solo that was like Indiana Jones. There is like a thread connecting those two, which is like they're both sort of like they're people who don't believe or they don't have faith in something. They're sort of cynics. The connection between. That's interesting.

Yeah. He's sort of like, the force is mumbo-jumbo. Right. And then it raised the Lost Ark. You see him kind of going like, it's superstition. And then the Ark. the lost arc You mean that right there

Oh wow Does he not refer to the Stones in Temple of Doom as mumbo jumbo Yeah Which is always a little weird With all the Indiana Jones movies Is that he always goes back to zero Of being like a skeptic

Yeah In Raiders he calls it Hocus Pocus Mumbo Jumbo Jum Oh okay But he also calls the Force Mumbow Jumbo Jumbo Jum. Mubo Jumbo, does he not? What does he call it when he says to Luke?

Yeah, on the willing to fucking, like, uh, mystical blah, blah, blah, mumbo jumbo. Doesn't he say mumbo jumbo? Or am I just putting that in his head? It's something like that. That's why I thought that the trailer for Force Awakens was so exciting for people. Yeah, me too. It's true. All of it.

You're just like, oh, this guy who I grew up as the cynical skeptic. Why did you watch that trailer, bro? What? Oh, I think it reveals that I don't. care that much about Star Wars, honestly. Agreed. That's been the big, my buddy, Armin Weitzman. I remember when I moved to L.A.

And I knew Armin for years. And then, like, one night I confessed to him, I was like, you know, growing up, I didn't, Star Wars trilogy, I liked. But the Indiana Jones trailer was like the thing for me at his, like, jaw dropped and he didn't talk to me for a decade. You know, like, he couldn't believe. But I think that.

came from, to bring it back, like the sort of, like, my dad being like, I don't like Kung Fu movies and I don't like James Bond. He loved, uh, Westerns. And I think like there's some sort of history of the Western in Indiana Jones movies. Yeah, definitely. But, uh, the, the thing that's awesome about Harrison Ford is like he gets you behind somebody who's, who's, who's a cynic or something. Like, so, uh, to see him, like, have that, uh, move. over two hours of sort of like, oh, this guy goes from being a little stinky pants, to a nice smelling pants. Do you think you would have been as infatuated with the film had it been Tom Selleck?

No, I don't think I would have. No way. Yeah. Because I'd seen Magnum P.I. as a kid and nothing was bringing me back week after week. Anytime it's brought up, the initial reaction everybody has is always like, I can't imagine Indiana Jones with a mustache. It's like they couldn't have sued it. Well, maybe he would have shaved it.

It's not necessarily. I think he probably would have. It would have gotten him away from that. There is something so charismatic about Harrison Ford that even Tom Selleck, who is objectively as sexy a specimen as it can be, I think. Sure. Despite his theft of water. Wait.

Oh, that's right. Yeah. He went through a big... The silence after I said that is going to make everybody go like, wait, did my Bluetooth just drop out that I... No, no. oh no, no. Yeah, during the drought, wasn't he stealing a bunch of water?

He was going into the, to another neighborhood, pumping water out of like a fire hydrant, and then bringing it to his avocado garden at his house. What an asshole. What an asshole. I mean, is he doing it on his own? I can't. I love Tom Tsoe. Wait, because I, was he literally driving out himself filling up like a five-gallon container?

I don't know. in a good or bad because if he was doing it himself I would go like well yes he's working hard yeah exactly he's like

he's like he's trying to keep those avocados alive yeah yeah and kill the other people he does have a like a green thumb like honestly I think Tom Selk loves his garden I never had any

you hear this Tom Selick I had zero affinity towards Tom Selick well I'm gonna email him right now and see what I can do it Tom can you come on the podcast. I mean, we all love her alibi, but we just want to talk to you about three men and a baby. It just wouldn't have worked. It would have worked, but it wouldn't be what it is. What is it about Harrison Ford?

He's incredible. Well, he's very handsome. Have you guys ever met Harrison Ford? No, but I all but bumped into him in the middle of a crowd in Disneyland one time. Oh, that's cool. And you know the type where you're like so close that you just have a moment of like I don't know what this is. It hasn't registered that I recognize him yet, but I'm staring at this man. And he just kind of then glazes past you and it's only when it's too late. Sort of the, yeah, like, I don't know, the definition of Starstruck. Yeah. Like basically, you're just sort of like paralyzed.

My whole life. Did he, he came in for a nerdist podcast? Oh my goodness. We did a podcast with him at Comic-Con when he was promoting Ender's game. So you got him at his best It is I can't imagine listening to that thing again It was so uncomfortable in the room

Because he didn't want to be there He didn't want to be there We didn't want to be there And you know You're dealing with Chris Who's such a fucking fan Of Harrison Ford and Star Wars And he's trying to keep it in

And Jonah's like Trying to To know I asked him some random question About some bullshit fly fishing movie he did that no one's ever seen but Jonah and Harrison Ford and like Harrison Ford was like it's just a movie oh god I mean on one side of things you're like oh Harrison Ford seems like a anti-holywood no bullshit guys yeah should more than anything be able to like get him to

the presidency yeah yeah yeah but uh was he with other actors from Enders game No, it was just him. We just had, it was just him and we were doing the podcast and it was, I mean, it was, I don't know if it's now hearsay and legend in our minds that that is like the most uncomfortable nerds podcast we ever did. But we have, the three of us have built it up so much as being this uncomfortable time. Yeah. That in my head, it's the worst podcast we've ever done. Well, maybe, yeah. And it's like the, because he was on such a high stature.

It's so crazy. Like, we've had so, I mean, we had Daniel Craig on and it was a delight. Like, he was great. Well, the comparison between the two is, like, Daniel Craig and Harrison Ford are the two actors who, when my wife and I watch a movie, she has to deal with, like, every 12 minutes, me going, like, isn't he, like, so handsome? I'm just constantly remarking on their handsomeness. Yeah, I can't get over it sometimes. If Mark Ruffalo, like, played an action hero. That would be like my trifecto, like, constantly nudging my wife and being like, he's pretty, right?

I feel that way about Eric Bona, too, for some reason. Where did he go? He's also a Hulk. Yeah, that's right. Much like a Ruffalo. And a Munich. He is and also a Munich. With Craig.

Yeah. Wow. But I mean, Daniel Craig's not conventionally handsome. He's ruggedly handsome. I would even say Harrison Ford, I guess he does kind of have that 40s handsomeness, but even so, he's not a pretty boy in any way. I mean, when you see him, though, enter the Obi-1 club in that white dinner jacket with the red carnation, you go, oh. Yeah. And also, if I'm using the same symbiology of Sergeant Pepper or the Magic Mystery Tour, does that mean he's the dead one?

Oh, he says the carnation. The walrus was Paul. The Beatles are all wearing white tuxes, and Paul has like a red carnation and all the other ones have like white. Are you familiar with all the clues that let you know that Paul is dead? I almost watched a two-hour YouTube video on this last night. I almost... You've got nothing but time. No, it was in bed.

A lot of time in bed, my wife has been like, by the time I go to sleep, my wife has been asleep for two or three hours, right? And I go to bed and I've like worked a long day or something and I cannot, my brain won't shut down. So I often will just... pull out my iPad, put it in a night mode, and like watch YouTube. I read, lately I've been reading, like, serial killer pages. I think it was, like, slightly inspired by Mind Hunter if I'm trying to, like, cover my tracks. But really, for years I've been doing this from, like, I'm going to tuck myself in. You want people doing horrendous, grotesque things to each other?

I don't know if you've read it yet, but one of my favorite true crime books is the Bill James book. Popular crimes? Have you read that book? Oh yeah where it's like he's trying to like he's like he's the guy that invented all the advanced metrics for baseball and he then takes his brain and applies it to all these serial killers and like tries to solve the no he's in the moneyball book bill James for sure it's not Billy Bean though uh but in all those popular crimes he thinks every murderer was Wade Boggs That's probably Wade Bugs.

But with What's the appeal of Harrison Ford I think like You know It's the same as like What's the appeal of the Indiana Jones movies Which is like

He You know he's got a He's a pretty man But he's got that scarlet So it sort of humanizes him And like When you you, uh, I rewatched all the Indiana Jones movies in the last like three months just,

I was like, I got it on a kick and I rewatched him. And there was a part in Raiders Lost Art that I was like, oh, I never noticed this moment. It's so funny when he's like about to get on the, the plane after he gets out of the, the snake zode. And the big muscular baldheaded Nazi is like, come on, let's fight before you get in the plane and you see like Indiana Jones like sigh yes yes okay I'm coming I'm coming this guy and like that's sort of like a lot of people say like oh he's scared a snake so that's what makes him a modern hero is that he's a guy who he has some some fallibility to him and that's different than any

person who's come before but that's sort of like humanity I feel like is guys I'm going to I'm going to write my college thesis. I'm with you. It's in his own face, which is like, oh, he's a handsome guy, but he has some sort of, and also, I think it's like the Rodney Dangerfield quality of like, when you hear Rodney

Dangerfield, like, he became a famous comedian when he was 45. Yeah. And you're like, Harrison Ford wasn't like to cite his Hollywood homicide co-star Josh Hartnett. It wasn't like Harrison Ford became like this heartthrob at 22.

he's becoming Han Solo when he's like in his mid-30s. And so you're just like, oh, this is a guy who's lived life. He was a carpenter. Looms large in his legend. Much like... Jesus Christ. Oh, no, Christ. Sorry.

Damn it, you did that thing, and I wasn't allowing you to do that thing. Paul, I apologize. There's a lot of similarities between the two franchises, but the thing that I like about both of them is Bond typically is a master. Like, he can go in, and he knows exactly where he's going. what he's doing and he's going to be successful at it. Indiana Jones is a little more hapless and he finds his way into things a little more, I don't know, like clumsily at times. I was watching Temple of Doom today and they basically play that as a joke in a way where the plane in the beginning is about

to crash and she goes, do you know how to fly? And he goes, no, do you? And I remember in the theater everybody laughing because that was the first time a hero didn't know how to do every single thing. Yeah. And it was an endearing thing, I think, too. Yeah, I read that to film critic Mark Ruffalo, film critic Hulk. Oh, film critic, he wrote that big thing about James Bond, and he was like, oh, the appeal of James Bond, and I read it all. But it was like, it is about, it's a guy who's constantly a mastery of every skill.

and I'm not putting that down. That's its own pleasure when you're watching James Bond. You're just like, this guy is awesome at everything. And that's what's so cool about it. But certainly with Indiana Jones, like the joke or whatever or the fun of it is like he's always in over his head. Or he's always behind the eight ball. And it gave way to die hard, I think. And then even in a bit to Daniel Craig's Bond, like busting through the drywall in that big parkour secret.

and stuff where he's a little bit more like, I'm not going to do it the typical way. I'll find the blunt force way around it or something. Well, as the even less of a lover and certainly less of an expert of James Bond, like, have you even seen a shift in Octopus? He was the first movie that came out after Raiders, right? Yes, that's right. Yeah. And Living Daylights, did you see any sort of like shift of like this is a post-Rater's world

where we need to... Because die hard, I love diehard, and Matt Zoler Sites had a thing on Twitter. He was like, what's the best action movie? And it was basically a debate

between Raiders and Die Hard and the responses. And like, uh, I do think like, die hard stands on the shoulders of Indiana Jones, which is like seeing somebody

who's sort of behind the eight ball. But like, the conflict I've always had is not being like a full-throated James Bond fan is like, oh, much as I love Indiana Jones, I have to recognize that wouldn't exist at all without James Bond. Yeah.

So I can't, you know, pick and choose. I know. It's tough. But with Die Hard as well, it's like, I don't think Die Hard would have existed without. Well, I also sort of blame Die Hard for a cavalcade of shitty movies that followed Die Hard. Yeah. And James Bond movies, too. I mean, it kind of really hurt the James Bond franchise because what was popular is a villain who's like a rel-

I'm not a villain, but a hero, who's a reluctant hero, and doesn't have all the answers. And then that kind of killed. But that's interesting to hear people, like, laughed at that, that they knew that that was, like, what was funny about, I mean, I know the big joke. Raiders is, he faced the swordsman, and then he shoots the guy because he doesn't want to, and whatever. And when he even says, I don't know, I'm making this up as I go along. Yeah, right, right. I mean to throw a $6 word around, but like I think what the appeal was of Indiana Jones was some sort of postmodernism where you're like laughing at like, oh, normally in a movie like this, a guy would have the fight. And what we're laughing is is like he's shooting the swordsmen and we get past, which all of like Spielberg's early stuff I think is like really great at like, um, he's shooting.

He's always like, he kind of lost this quality. I love Spielberg, so I'm not, that's not a diss. But like there's like an E.T. You have this like amazing moment where he, E.T. heals Elliot's finger after he cuts it on the saw. And then like 10 minutes later, the older brother has a costume where he has a knife through his head. And E.T. tries to heal it with his finger.

And you're laughing at like, oh, I saw. I had this one moment that was really touching. And now they're sort of just like making a, joke about how you were like captivated by that I don't know I feel like that's what it was like a hey we all know baby boomers suck right

yeah but like that was what was cool about those Indiana Jones movies is like oh they're not the generation of the whatever the John Glens are yeah yeah am I saying that director who's the old the James Bond the guy Hamilton John Glenn is also which is interesting with those

Raiders movies because they're also harkening back to the old serials which were of that generation. So it is kind of postmodern where they're taking that style, but then elevating it? I don't know if that's the word. Yeah, or they're going like,

hey, wouldn't it be cool if Marion was like, Marion Ravenwood was her own, like, uh, active character, and that makes it way more interesting than Bond Girl.

Right, right. 7B or whatever, you know. But then they go ahead and do the Kate Capshaw role, which is less interesting. thing than Bond Girl 7 be. That's true. I mean, where would

if you guys were ranking the Bond Girls and you were doing some weird hybrid of ranking the Indiana Jones girls with the Bond Girls, where would she fall in the... Capcha? Yeah. You know, I watched it today and I think time has been a little harsh on her portrayal. I mean, a lot of it is

there in the writing. I mean, she is... Oh, 100%. It's not Kate Kapshaw's fault. I want to say that out of the bat. She does a great job. Yeah. She does a great job with what is written in front of her. Yeah. She does a great job with,

she screams. Yeah. She asks the poor village for a phone to call her agent. Like, she does, she executes all of these lines. All blew my mind. Very well.

That the third Timothy Dahl movie was supposed to be written by the Temple of Doom writers. Yeah. Yeah. What would that have been? So curious. What would that have been? The writers of best defense.

Dudley Moore and Betty Murphy? Yeah, they made this movie with Dudley Moore. It was filmed and shot and finished. And they were like, you know, Eddie Murphy's a pretty big star. No, I didn't know that. Let's just shoot some additional scenes with Eddie Murphy and insert them into the movie. So if you watch Best Defense, it is like an insane thing where they're just like, I'm going to go call my friend Eddie Murphy.

They got to him like in a tank. I did not know that. Well, the Best Defensive podcast is on its way. There's no defense for Best Defense. Bestie's defense. Mad end. Mad and! Mad and!

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Listen to Raised by TV every Wednesday on Stitcher, Apple Podcasts, Earwolf.com, or Must See TV. And tune in to Sidekick with Matt. Meyer next week for your host Lauren Lapkis and your guest, John Gapris. Mad and! Mad and! Mad and! She's on a podcast! So it is to not to begrudge Kate Kapshaw, who does a lovely job with what she's given. It's just written in such a way that she is almost always in distress. Yeah, definitely.

There is no active, really no active role for her as far as doing anything that helps. Especially coming after a... Yeah, Karen Allen. I know, you can't beat that. Ravenwood, it's almost like a slap in the face. It's like almost like a reaction to like how amazing Karen Allen is. And you watch that movie and you're like, also this just reminds me of like, you know, there's a lot of George Lucas bashing. I know it's very popular.

But maybe it's also swinging back that people are lionized George Lucas, you know, in the world. Yeah. But like what's really cool about what I like. about him is like, you know, what's awesome about the Star Wars movies is there's always these little like breadcrumbs where they go like, uh, oh, whatever, I won the, uh, Oh, the Castle Run 12 projects, sure. Like, what's that? Yeah. In the same way with like, Raiders Lost Arc, I think what he's amazing at is like he goes,

she references like, oh, we had a previous adventure or in Temple of Doom when his assistant get shot at the very beginning. Oh, yeah. We've had many adventures with Dr. Jones. And he's so excited to die He gets to do it first I get to see what's beyond first But that's what I love about those movies

They suggest something Where you're like oh something happened before Do you think they set Temple of Doom In what it's 1935 And Raiders is 36 right Yeah it's like a prequel Is it the first prequel

I don't know But did they set it ahead of that So that they could justify Why he wasn't with Karen Al anymore or yeah I was there's no other real reason I was dating somebody in college break and uh come on why no one's dated this guy I would let this guy on here he's dating oh god come on you said he was cool we saw Raiders at uh the college the university was like just showing old movies and we went and saw it and she was like man he was willing to blow up

the arc for this woman and then a couple of years years later, he fell in love with this show girl? And I was like, no, it was a prequel. And I bet she thought this was so cool that I was explaining this. But he did almost fall in love with a Nazi a couple years later. I do think that is part of it, which is like, when you're watching Raiders, you want the relief of like, oh, Marion was the woman he later went off. And yeah, by the way, It's the thing they get right in the fourth movie is that he ends up with Marion. Yeah, that's nice. It's unfortunate, though, that what is it that's lacking, not just in that movie,

but in their interplay in that film, something's not right. It is a little off. Well, with Crystal Skull, I take the position of, what's that amazing scene in The Simpsons when Bart is talking to the comic bookstore owner, and he's like, so this thing that has brought you so much entertainment and joy for many years, you're upset that, like, I know. I tried to take that position with Crystal. You know, the Robert Klein, who was like the editor, not Robert Klein.

Weirdly, he was talking about him this morning. What? I'm talking about Robert Klein, not to Robert Klein. No way. The editor-in-chief of The Onion came and did a lecture at my college, and he was like, oh, I worry this was like 2001. He's the writer of the wrestler and big fan. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Oh, yeah. He was like, I hope people don't think of the onion as this thing that got less and less funny. He's like, I hope people remember it as like, we brought you so much joy. Who cares what ends up happening. So whatever. I agree with that. I agree with that wholeheartedly. And I watch Crystal Skull fairly, I don't want to say regularly, but a lot of people just saw it once and never

seen again. Same thing with the Star Wars prequels because I'm truly fascinated by them almost academically where I was like, it scratches this itch. I hear lightsaber sounds. I hear Ineena Jones music. And it's the same actors and it's a different time. And it's not altogether great, but I still am interested in it for some reason. Like I just don't know how it ended up that way. But I don't hate them. I can't find myself. I can't bring myself. I mean, it seems like I put on the hat, put on the jacket. And look around in the dark for an artifact. I'm like, okay.

Yeah, thanks for giving me that. I appreciate it. Well, I'm curious as James Bond fans that you guys are. It is the moment where Indiana Jones starts creeping into, like, Dr. No, like, he's, there is a communist. Oh, yeah, the Cold War, yeah. So, like, he, at some point, those two worlds are sort of crossing over. That's interesting. Yeah, that is interesting.

And also in that movie, he has another one of those things where they talk about, like you're saying, before, something that happened. And he was working for the CIA as a spy. Oh, yeah. With Mac, who's a British spy, essentially, I guess. That's a character that doesn't quite. He does 14 turns too many. I know. It's really bonkers. It's insane.

I'm still waiting for another. It's crazy. It's just like he's switching over. Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah. But I would love to read a series of novels or comments. about Indies World War II adventures.

I know, I know. The motorcycle chase through the campus. Yeah. In Crystal Skull, I would say, if you had to, like, if you wanted to show somebody like a... That I feel is like at the same level as the set piece in another... Well, maybe not the same level. No, I'm with you.

Yeah. That first third of that movie, I kind of like. The other thing, too, to remember about these things when they make new versions of things or reboots or whatever. They're not sending people to your home to erase the memory of the previous thing that existed. They're not taking your DVDs away.

They're not destroyed. If anything, they're making them look better in comparison. You still have those things. You guys, you can still watch Ghostbusters. Thank God. Has any sequel or subsequent film ever ruined another film for you? I don't think that's ever happened. Well, you guys brought up this question with

and in the sort of category of comparing and trusting the James Bond movies versus the Indiana Jones, you were like, oh, if somebody replaced, if there was a new actor playing Indiana Jones, you would have their reaction that the generation has about like, Roger Moore isn't my James Bond, it's Sean Connery. Like if they gave it to Chris Pratt, like there was that rumor, if they gave it to Chris Pratt, does that cease to be Indiana Jones in my mind? You know, it's the interesting question. No, but it would cease to be as interesting to me.

And it is funny to think about that. As someone who loves Roger Moore and Daniel Craig, I totally understand people saying, like, I can't. Like, now it's, Phil Noville made this, like, he wrote a whole article about Casino Royale that Craig is basically this bond that he loves and he's the last bond that will ever be older than him. And at that point, it may be time to just go like, it's not about what I want anymore. Here's a new bond. probably if the bond doesn't speak to him,

it's because it's speaking to a younger generation. But if there was a Chris Pratt indie movie, he'd probably be great. It would be a great movie, but it would be a point where I'd go, like, I think it's like, how do I say this in a nice way? It's like you can see all the tricks because I'm of that age.

I'd be older than him, and I would go like, I just have seen all this before, so it's a recycling that maybe it's not that it's not good. It's just I'm not as interested, and nor should I be. And do you think they do the route of like the James Bond thing of like

the, and who knows? No explanation. That it's like he is in Indiana Jones. Yeah. Probably. I think they would, right? I think in the past they would,

but now I do feel like there's some pressure on movies now to go like everything has to make 100% sense. I'm over that. I am too, but. Yeah, I know that there's been the debate of like the James Bond code name for all characters and that's just like it's the most depressing. It's so depressing. Why do you need that?

ease at the end of the night to know it all fits together. Don't you want some mystery? Have some poetry, baby. I know. I've never been able to articulate it better. That's a better way to put it. A, that it's the most depressing thing in the world. It goes back to my whole thought

that Daniel Craig's James Bond is the same guy and that DB5 is from 1964. See, and you're clearly admitting that you come home and you can't sleep at night. Well, I often don't sleep at night. It's amazing on Twitter how many people think I'm crazy. They can go to hell.

If you look at anybody's like tweets, you'd go to this person is a habit. I may not agree with you on those things, but I will defend your right to have the opinion. The franchise of it all, you know, I know you're a Star Trek fan. I have a theory, you know, how people have, and I'm a passing fan of Star Trek,

I really like it, but like I don't know a lot about it, but like I know enough that it's the even-numbered movies or the ones people like. the most. I am a huge Friday the 13th fan. Me too. Yeah, I love them so much and they're both Paramount franchises in the 80s and all the Friday 13th movies, the even number ones are the best. That's right. So I like to imagine a head of Paramount was like, make the odd number one's bad. Make the even number one's great. Or what if there's like two studio execs in is like, one's like, I want the even ones. And it gives the shitty exec. But there's a,

connection to this. Is it, I think it's, is it Friday the 13th, part six, the new beginning? Is that what it is? Part six is Jason lives. Right. Part five is a new beginning.

Okay, sorry. But which is the one that has essentially Jason come out in the gun barrel sequence? And he walks. Yes. And he turns to camera and he slashes. And then blood runs down the screen. It has to be an homage.

Yeah, and the director, yeah, I read it or listened to an interview with him where he was like, oh, by this point, I saw Jason as, as James Bond, which is like you get a new movie out every two years. Oh, that's interesting. And as far as James Bond goes, even though people are going to be so heartbroken to hear this, I haven't seen every James Bond movie, but I watch them whenever they're on TV.

If it's on the guide, I click on it because my opinion is of like if you're a fan of movies in general, what's awesome about James Bond or the Friday 13th movies is you get to watch movies film itself sort of progress by each movie

and get to see like what was cinematography like in 1976 or 84 or what was the trend that time and to be able to like go like well these are the building blocks you know there's going to be an opening sequence you know there's going to be a title, you know there's going to be

set pieces and you just get to like have the, I like breathe the sigh of relief with like Jason movies or James Bond movies where I'm like, I know what this is going to be. And the joy I get is just being like, this is so 1980. I know what this is going to be, but what's it going to be this time? Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's the style or? That is interesting. But it does feel like, you know, and for me, I think it's sort of starts, it starts after you only live twice. where the Bond movie stopped trend setting and start following the trends. Or maybe after Honor Majesty's Secret Service. Probably the diamonds are forever.

Far ahead of its time. They get like a little despy. Yeah, and they start looking at the other trends outside of the franchise. You're right, they're not setting the trends. They're borrowing them. But to Paul's point, though, that is like you can sort of, if you just watched a James Bond movie without sound, you could. be like, oh, this is, this is 1982.

Yeah. Yeah. And it's not the clothes. It's not the style. It's the set pieces and it's the, like, how the camera's moving. Right. I mean, even the, if you pull all the vault, like the dialogue out and just had the score, you could sew. Yeah.

Like, the fact that they would just disco up his fucking score. And the fact that they would, like, techno up his score in the 90s. It's even that way. With the Raiders movies, too, or the indie movies, like the women's hair, especially in Raiders and Temple of Doom, are very 80s. They stay away from that a bit in Last Crusade because she's definitely got that kind of 40s hair. Yeah. Her hair's pulled back, so you don't have to worry about. You know, it's interesting.

Yeah, and he has very 80s glasses. They're these glasses. Yes, yeah. Yeah. But they're like, they kind of work as professor glasses, but they at the same time work very much as an 80s GQ. Well, when you guys are talking about songs, I know that you're, Matt Myra, your favorite song is Nobody Does It Better.

Correct. And I do have a soft spot for All Time High. Oh, now we're talking about. And I just, I'm really here more than anything to let you guys know. These are two companions. Oh, yeah. I think you're right. Yeah.

You can listen to All Time High and you go, they're trying to recapture nobody does it better. You're right. It's this sort of like, it's not trying to rev you up. It's just trying to cool you down. And also, the message behind both songs is sort of like, nobody does it better. Like, you could go to any action movie, but hey, we know at the all the end, nobody does it better than James Bond.

That's right. And all-time high is sort of like, don't worry, James Bond isn't like waning. He's at an all-time high. Forget the fact that the original Bond is coming back the same year in a movie. Yes. No. Forget that. I do think all-time high is, that song is like being like,

we're at an all-time high. Don't go over to the other theater. Two screens down. You don't need to. We're at an all-time high. You're going to get a total fill-up here. Don't worry about it. This is full service.

You're not going to get the music over there. Speaking of Philip, the caretaker from The Shining, is his name Philip or is the actor named Philip? Oh, he's at the Temple of Doom Table. He's at the Temple of Doom Table. which I didn't realize until I rewatch Temple of Doom in the last. You mean the British soldier? The sergeant?

Yeah, the British Empire. And guys, we'll get into this when we did the Indiana. Jonesy podcast. We'll talk about how he was the shining caretaker. But it is like, when you watch that, I was watching Little Shop of Horrors last night. And one of the bums in the street, who's like during Skid Row is like the Maroon cartoons guy from who framed Roger Rabbit. And he literally went from the guy in the gutter

to the head of a cartoon studio? The guy in Shining that kind of interviews him at the Overlook Hotel is the first James Bond as well, Barry Nelson, from the Casino Royale teleplay. That's... Wow.

My head just exploded. That is cool. Yeah, he died not too long ago. Good. He had it coming. Plad suit getting... Is he not... No, I've always end up forgetting

the plot of Roger Rabbit with the Maroon studio head. There's photographs of him with Jessica Rabbit. Oh, I messed that up. It is Maroon. That's R.K. Maroon.

Right. Who's the actor? And the present... He's the bald-headed fella. And then the guy who's like the sort of sleazy president of the studio is they're both they both are they both washed together for me and oh yeah I recently

rewashed Roger Rabbit having not seen it probably since the early 90s just to go like okay this is this is a cinematic achievement yeah they got all these franchises together it's the first sort of like it's the first instance of like Marvel marketing yes to Fox and like Let's do Spider-Man. We're going to do it. Yeah. And I watched it and I was just like so very, I was weirdly confused by the plot of the movie. I was like, wait.

It's like a James Bond movie. I was like, do I trust Jessica Rabbit? Is she no good? Yeah. Well, the, I mean, the, you know, when you watch a spy movie, it is, the plots are so confusing. And I was just listening to you guys talk about it. Is there any James Bond movie? movie that has like a very clear plot.

Very clear plot. You were saying from Russia with love. It's clear, but there's also the secret story. Yeah, Dr. No, is as clear as forward as he is clear. But the Indiana Jones movies, I feel like, do have a fairly clear. And I talk that more up to Spielberg. He's a guy who wants people to be like on the same track. Yeah.

You know, like you know what the story is. So it never. I mean, I remember when I saw the first Mission Impossible movie in the theater. Oh, my God. What is happening? Oh, my God. I love Ryan De Palma so much. The fucking knock list?

Yeah. Yeah. Did he ever get that knock list? I don't know. But I do know it was on a CD-ROM. I would love to see a Spielberg Bond because it would be so straightforward and all probably good character, little set pieces and stuff. Yeah, sure.

Yeah, I'm curious what a... Do they know who's going to do five if, if, if... it's going to be the Indiana Jones? Yeah, if it's going to be Spielberg Lucas. It is and it's not Lucas, it's Spielberg. But Stephen Spielberg said George Lucas will have some involvement.

Oh. I read some quote that was like to do an Indiana Jones movie without George Lucas is crazy. I think that's true. And I see that. And I also thought it was kind of like if a guy went back to his college for like a reunion, he's like I'm not going to go without my like Yeah.

My frat buddy. Yeah. Like, it's just be weird. I can't go without the stink. Do you know it? Everybody loves the stink. I'm Gator. Gator's got to bring stink.

Gator and the stink. Hey, Gator, we're stinking? I haven't seen you guys not together in years. Well, don't you remember last reunion? He really screwed everything up. I was rereading, just, you know, like anybody does who goes on a podcast. You just read Wikipedia pages. Sure.

But I read that the third. Indiana Jones movie was supposed to be about trying to figure out find the fountain of youth. I was like, I won't, it's not going to happen because I'm a dummy, and people at Holly Weird are smarter than me. But I was like, oh, what if that was part five? You're watching a guy, Indiana Jones, everybody's like thing in their mind is sort of like, is he too old to be Indiana Jones? Is he young? What if the McGuffin was the fountain of youth?

Let's do that. In fact, we can use that as our way to kind of like, close this out, talk about what the next indie movies should be. Please promise me we'll come back and talk Indiana Jones more. We will. On the way here, I was like, oh my God, I get to talk about Indiana Jones for... I think we should just tackle the movies individual from here. I honestly think that we should just... Boom, boom, boom, boom.

I wonder when we should do it. What's your production? When are you guys going back with love? What is your production schedule? In a couple months. Okay, so you have time. Yeah. I mean, I have a month old daughter.

Right. That's true. No, I was not using. It's funny, like, I've thought about, you know, and you're like, oh, your father's hand down to their sons, these movies. And we were watching an old movie, my wife and I, I think it was like, it might have been a James Bond movie. And she was like, are you going to make her daughter watch? Like, no, whatever she wants to watch, I know, I'm going to make her. Q-Force or two.

It would be funny, though, if the fifth Indiana Jones movie was amazing, right? Then it would be the inverse paramount curse, where the odd number ones are great. Yeah. I think it has a potential to be really good because I do think, and I'm not someone that likes to bash Lucas, but he was seen... I guarantee you they kill him. Maybe, I don't know, but it seems that he has some ability to like, we know, it's like E. going on a spaceship.

It's like, he's going away, but he's going to live forever. So, yeah, yeah. I'm sorry. Lucas was obsessed with the idea of Martians. Like, the first title was Indiana Jones and the saucer men from Mars. And he really, and I got that. Like, I liked that that was the sci-fi thing of the 50s, and he would have, like, they were in the 50s at this point.

But it didn't work. Well, and from what I can gather, you know, just, it did seem like, it was a collaboration where you're having to make concessions to the person who created it. And I'd like to think if George Lucas maybe had 10% of the control, cooler heads would prevail. And like you'd get maybe, you know, I do think Stephen Spielberg probably has more of his wits than George Lucas. I think so. I think he'll take less chances than Lucas.

So let's take a look at what year this would be. So what year was last, or Crystal Skull? What? That came out. It's a, it's a, 57 maybe? Yeah, it's late 50s, and it came out, what, 2010? I thought this question, which is like, are we going to see him at, like, Woodstock? I know.

It's going to be, it's definitely going to be in the 60s. Yeah. And so the Soviets are still the problem. Uh-huh. If they go that route. Right. Otherwise, what is going on in the 60s that would be interesting enough to tackle? Yeah, it's still cold war stuff.

By the way, I want everyone to know that Indiana Jones and the kingdom. The Manson. Okay. Here's a fun game for this podcast. I would like everyone to now guess the Rotten Tomato scores for each of the Indiana Jones films. Hmm. Okay. Okay.

Indiana Jones. So I'm going to start. We'll start with Raiders, obviously. Raiders of the Lost Ark. what do you think the meta score is for Rotten Tomatoes? I'll say 93. 97? Closest without going over is Matt Goreley.

94% on Rotten Tomatoes. Okay, so Temple of Doom. What do you think that is? 1984 is Temple of Doom. I'll say 67. Mm-hmm. I'm going to go one below the year it was released. 83.

Paul is the winner. It's 85% on Rotten Tomatoes. You know, Pauline Kale, right, like, she loves Temple of Doom. And she likes it, if you read her review, she likes it more than Raiders, because I think for her it was like,

hey, these are B movies. This is the ultimate B movie. It's like Temple of Doom is just like being unabashed. Yeah. The camp level is through the roof. That's what you're looking for in Indiana Jones movie. That's what you're getting. Now, Matt, you've gotten to go first twice,

so now Paul's going to get to go first twice. Okay. Indiana Jones in the last crusade came out in 1989. What do you think it's Rotten Tomatoes rating is? I'm going to say 91. Mm-hmm. And Matt. I'm going to go for the year it came out, 89.

We both have gone over. It's 88. Wow, it's only three above Temple of Doom. Now, what do you suppose? Now, think about it. Here we go. This is Crystal Skull. We are looking for the Rotten Tomatoes rating of Crystal Skull.

Came out in 2008. You guys know Josh Vadim? Yes. A hilarious comedian. He told me he saw Crystal Skull in the theater, and he was so nervous about it being good. He got a bunch of snacks and ate them all, like out of nervousness. And he ate so much.

He got drowsy and fell asleep with the first 50 minutes. Has he seen it since? Like your old biology was like, I'm going to save you for this experience. I remember it so vividly. I remember standing in line at the grove waiting to get into that fucking movie. Yeah. And then meanwhile, like Iron Man. It's like this awesome movie.

Yeah, that's right. And then you go and see Indiana Jones. Okay. I'm going to say 78. Okay. And Matt Goyle. your guess. I'll say 82.

77% which is I want to say 40 points higher than I thought it would be. Yeah. Yeah. So what year

did the film come out? Came out in 2008. So is Indiana Jones 5 supposed to be coming out in 2019? Is that the idea? Is it that soon?

Wow. I mean, listen, our hero, as long as he's not flying planes. Hollywood Insider. I went and saw the Crystal Skull while I was shooting

I love you, Beth Cooper up in Vancouver and Chris Columbus directed that. So he wrote the original part three of Indian Jones and I was like, hey, did you see Crystal School over the weekend? And he was like, yeah, and we talked about

what we liked about it and stuff. And he was like, you know, there's a gag in there with the, oh my God, I can hear the indie fans frothing at this. Which is like that there's a, what's the little blow dart thing? Oh, yeah. A blow dart thing. And in Crystal Skull, he takes it and he blows it back into the person who's going to blow it at him. And he was like, that's a gag in a young Sherlock Holmes. That's right, it is.

And then I went and rewatch it. I was like, that's very true. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, my God. Oh, be damned. So this is 57 and if Indy 5 comes out in 2020 2020 It'll be 68?

12 years? 12 years? Wait, yes, 12 years so that will be 69. 1969. Oh, make it around the moon landing. Indiana Jones at Altamont? Take that, you hells angels. Altamont, it's Woodstock, it's the moon landing.

When is a... This has no chance of being good. What is the post? The next Spielberg movie. What era does that? That's 70s. You think he's going to stick around the 70s? Yeah, you can just reuse some of the cars.

You know what? In this movie, Indy should go see on Her Majesty's Secret Service. Go, huh. Maybe they shouldn't replace the actor for Indiana Jones. So 69, what is it going to be? A movie anything is interesting. I'm trying to think of like what... Space secrets.

I like a space, but it has to be... Mythical. Part of the earth that was not touched by... I mean, no, I'm an idiot. What if it's like an Arctic thing or something like that? That would be kind of interesting. He's never really... He unleashes the thing.

When you guys were talking about wanting to see Timothy Dalton in snow, I was like, I haven't seen Indiana Jones on snow. Yeah, he's briefly in Temple, that's it, right? Right, in the snowy... Just in the raft. Yeah. But you're right. That would be great.

Yeah. And, you know, I know we've done some Temple of Doom bashing here, but the first 20 minutes of Temple of Doom, it can't be beat. Oh, it's so good. And the boldness of starting that off with a musical number? Especially coming on the heels of Raiders going like... Boldness. I think it is bold.

When you went and you bought your ticket and I saw Raiders, and three years from now, I'm going to watch somebody seeing a Cold Porter song. Yeah, in Cantonese. I went and saw it at the new Beverly. They had like a Saturday, and Temple of Doom, and it was really cool, like watching people with their kids

and watching it. But I had the same experience anytime I watched the movie, which is like, I love the first 20 minutes. And I later found out that there's a, when they go on their trek between the village to the palace, I think there was supposed to be an action sequence in there. It would make sense. Yeah.

And when you watch the movie, it is pretty deadly and not in a good way like as somebody in the audience what was supposed to be there do you know what it's like he um gets attacked I think they sort of used it

and reused it in Crystal Skull where he gets attacked but there's a joke about he has to use a snake to get out of a bind and I think like when they're they re-shot it or something I don't know but it was like the scene where him and short round are playing cards,

which I like because he gets some nice, like, but I think that was where the action sequence was supposed to happen. And when you watch it, you do kind of go, like, from the moment they get to the village to up until the fight in the palace, oh, right, yeah, that. With the ceiling fan getting around the guy's neck and hanging him, there's really no action sequence. Right.

And I say this, like, I feel like I can criticize Temple of Doom because Steven Spielberg says he doesn't like the movie and it's his least favorite Indiana Jones and my fear of like, oh God, I would love to be a Stevensfield movie. I can't be on record ever. I know. I know. Derek Roddy had such a hilarious joke once where he wanted to make a joke about Oasis. And he was like, I say this with fear of my fantasy has always been befriending one of the gallowsy. like you're always like trepidatious about like I don't want to say something negative but like Temple of Dune something happens in those 25 minutes where you're saying oh man I would love for a boulder to start chasing that or something or a leopard to jump out of the jungle

but there's a lot to unpack in Tumble of Doom there's a lot to unpack yeah there's a ton There's so much to impact in this franchise. If we were going to do this, I actually really do look forward to getting to Crystal Skull and talking about that. I think we should make the sweeping statement now that the Indiana Jones movies, I think we're just going to do it in order. Okay. Yeah, I think that makes sense. In order of the release, not prequel. Not timeline order.

That hurts my head. I'm curious what your guys is a point of view from a certain point of view about this is. Like, my feeling is that prequel should be watched In the order in which they were Chronological or rather Like, I know some people are like Oh, when I show my kid's Star Wars I'm going to start with episode one

And it's like, no, they were built In order for you to like go back And fill in the gaps. Yeah. What idiot! I know. What monster? What moron

sits down their kid and shows us And you're like, oh, so this person, this little boy ends up becoming evil. It's like editing any movie that has a flashback sequence in it and putting that first. So wait. If you did that was Citizen Cade, that it was like, it starts with him in a snowy cabin. You support watching the order that they were made. Yes.

Not in the order in which they're supposed to take place. And I stand by that from that to Firewalk with me. Okay. All right. Yeah. Okay. Oh, we'll get there. How do you guys feel?

I brought this up to get your opinions. What do you guys think? Oh, I definitely released. Even though I shamed everybody who felt the differently. Definitely release order. So are we doing these between Bond movies, or do we want to do a special series? Oh, you mean like a special side series? I think we should, if I was a James Bond fan and I'm tuning each week, I'd get sick of my voice of talking about anything.

So you guys should do James Bond. do what you want. No, we'll do James Bond and we'll do, we'll flip it. We don't, we have a dead spot between these movies. Every, every other week. There's 24 movies. There's 52 weeks. Yeah.

Right. So you need something. We got to fill it. We always talked about filling it with other movies anyway. And I think that an Indiana Jones situation could be, could be very good. Well, just bring me back whenever you guys want to. Well, we'll do Moonwaker and then we'll do these bond movies as we can as we go along. I think that sounds like a blast.

Yes, it does sound like a blast. And we solved a lot of problems tonight. I just am blown away by the 77% Rotten Tomato score of Indiana Jones. What do you call the next movie if it's in 1969, Indiana Jones and the... The hippie man? I don't know what... Indiana Jones. So it's, let's see, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Temple of Doom, Last Crusade, Kingdom of the Crystal Sky.

From what I gathered, there's no even a whiff of Labuff. Correct. No, he's out. Yeah, that's okay. So that could be recast as a Pratt, Pratt. You know, the thing I like about the Crystal Skull, there is a moment where they get out of some crazy situation, and Shiaelabuff turns to Harrison Ford and kind of like laughs cockily. Like, we got out of there. and Harrison Morgan is sort of an emmonishing.

And it's like a nice echo in Last Crusade. And he does that when he shoves the thing in the guy's tire. That's just one, what's the gorely? Oh, the gloft. That's right. That's a roft. I do feel like I'm having a sort of, I feel a sweaty desperation like somebody at the end of a first date. Being like, so there's a nice restaurant.

down the street that made me next week we could go to. See, now I'm hearing this literally, I say we podcast from this restaurant. Cindy's diner there in Eagle Rock. Way on board. We'll have to wait until that Encounter's restaurant reopens at LAX.

What's that? That's that tower. You know, the thing in the middle of LAX. It's a restaurant, originally designed by Walt Disney Imagineers. You're welcome. The indie movies suffer from accumulating too many sidekicks as the movie's go along.

No. It's much the way that I think... Yeah, Crystal Skull has way too many sidekicks. Oh, you're saying, I see what you're saying.

I thought you were just talking about the accumulation of like short round and... No, not over time, but like, I mean, you really do. You just basically have Sala, maybe Marcus in the first one. Then you've got short round.

I guess that's really your only one, but that's a strong sidekick. Yeah. I mean, literally, he's at his sidekicking the whole time. And then you have Marcus, Sala, essentially his dad. And then you've got Oxley, his kid, Marion, Mac. Is that it?

Mac double-crossed too many times to be on that list. Well, he comes and goes as a sidekick. He's certainly flirting with it. But it feels like a lack of confidence in the most charismatic movie star in the living movie star in the world, Harrison Ford. What's he neat sidekicks for? I know. I could just watch Harrison.

But it is, you know, think about this. Disney World. I want you to think about this. Harrison Ford. Say hello to figment. Last time he played Indiana Jones, he was 58 years old. He will now be 70 years old when this movie comes out. Is he the age of our current president?

I guess he is, right? I don't get political in here. That's all we do. But I'd love to imagine. Indiana Jones did a sidekick, Donald Trump, getting into misadventures. But 1969, Donald Trump, who's like just in his prime. Oh, hunk, he's just walking on a shirtless.

Hey, I just got a million dollars for my dad. I'm going to build myself up for nothing. Maybe that's what it'll be. Some sort of revisionist history where Henry Jones goes into Manhattan. I wish they didn't kill him. Who? But Henry Jones. Oh.

Sean Connery, Henry Jones. I wish they didn't kill them off. Oh, in Crystal School. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. Yeah.

Also, you have all those psychics. Which is weird, because do you think Sean Connery was the audience? I was like, hey. I know. Like, I would have done it. I think he would have done it. You'd think? Maybe he would have read the script.

He was like, no. Some little cameo maybe. God, can you believe? We didn't even mention that. This whole time, that's the connected tissue between these robes. We are so stupid. We are the stupidest three people on a planet. Dumbies.

We shouldn't even be allowed to. drive. What if the next Indiana Jones movie somehow finds a way to get all the bond actors together? That would be great. Yes. I mean, it's an inevitability. We know that. They'll all appear.

God, I wish they did that retirement home for Skyfall and never released it. How much of a reality was that? I mean, have you guys seen an internal memo? Varying degrees of reality. One article where it seemed like it was on the table for a bit, but

I get the feeling like when they sat down to go, should we, we shouldn't. Kind of like the opposite of what they did with the atom bomb. But like I say last... Just because we could. It doesn't mean we should. But like I said last week, it does really... It reads and plays like a script that was written to that end game. It does.

And then they just took a left turn. It does. But it still, I've said this before, but it feels like something that should be performed at the Academy Awards, like a sketch for. for the Academy Awards or something that's like opens with Billy Crystal bringing them all back together. I'd also chalk it up to as Sammy Davis Jr. I know Eon is sort of notoriously cheap. That would have to be a chunk of the budget.

I think that cheapness goes away immediately now when you're looking at the fact that Daniel Craig might have gotten north of 50 to be in this next one. Well, that makes me so happy. I, uh, yeah. Like when there were, uh, all the, the tales that he wasn't going to come back. It made me so sad. And now Waltz is not back as Blofeld. I don't think we ever bought it. You don't bought it?

I don't think you and I ever thought he was not coming back. Not necessarily. Yeah. But what do you think about Bloffel not coming back? I was like, oh, it's like how, uh, I love Howard Stern. Yeah. Howard Stern goes, I'm not, I might not come back. I'm like, oh, we all love you.

We signed another five year deal. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, but, uh, it was, the, the, the, the, the Christoph Waltz stuff surprised me. Yeah. I know that there's a... There is a precedent. But it also could just not be a

Blofeld story. And it also could be that he's not telling the truth. Because he's kind of screwed with that before, didn't he? Right. He was lying about being in it and then of course about not being blowfeld because that was part of the deal. That's the whole fucking... That's the...

I blame Star Trek into darkness for that trend. We're like where Benedict Cumberbatch was not Khan, not con, not con, not con, and he was con. And you're like, well, just tell us he's fucking con. You don't think that we can get excited about Benedict Cumberbatch portraying one of the great

villains of the franchise? It really does come down to like your most intimate interpersonal reactions when you're, or interactions when you're like hey, I know this truly.

did not happen. I think I told you guys before the podcast before I left here. My wife, I was like, I'm sorry. I know her baby was just born four weeks ago.

And she was like, I know how much you love this podcast. I am so excited for you that you get to go because she drives around with me and we listen to the podcast and stuff. Oh, that magic woman.

Yeah. Oh, my God. Hold on. If this was an alternate universe where like maybe I didn't I sort of was like, didn't ever mention for a couple weeks

that I was going to do this. And I was kind of like, and then like the half hour right before I leave, I go, hey, I got to go do this podcast. It's like, you know, it's more insulting that you didn't tell me a week ago and now I'm finding out a half hour.

That's like how it feels with those with the darkness. It's like, I feel, I'm just upset that you betrayed me. Just tell me the truth. Yeah. Tell me you're going to go out with your buddies in a week. Don't do this to me.

Just tell me. It's not a pleasant surprise. Which I'm really, that's what I'm hoping for most of all is that we can look into our inter-psychologies. Well, we're here for nothing, if not that. Yeah, that's what Indiana Jones movies and James Bond movies are most about is like intersithing the depth of the human condition. Yeah, behavior. They're all about sensitive.

What you truly are, not what your wish-fulfillment makes you wish you. Well, guys, thanks to you. Thank you. Thanks you. Thanks to you. Thanks to you. We are so glad and we'll do more. Yes, please.

Season three of love is. Yeah. Sometime early next year. You know, I think most of your listeners are from the financial district, right? It will be in the first quarter. Okay. of 2018. My wife and I wanted so much.

We weren't even married at the time, and now we are. That's how much love happened to us. We loved watching it. So congratulations. I'm curious when couples watch it together. Is it like a thing that brings them together, or is it a thing that, like, it makes them have fights later? Well, let me just say, you can do better.

Then you two, no way. The, uh, it's, should we? end this by saying Indiana Jonzing will return with... Yes. We need another Indiana Jonesing... Well, you know, Raiders of Lost Dark when it came out on video it was like 83 or 84 and on the bottom of the cover of the video it says

Indiana Jones will return or something in Temple of Doom and it... Because they knew it was coming out. They did it on Thor. Thor will return. Oh, really? In Avengers... In Ragner Rock? Infinite... What is it called? What is this new one called? Infinite Just. Wasn't the latest Marvel movie an adaptation of In fact of Mal of them?

Why don't they do that? The Confederacy of Dunces. They finally got it done. They figured it out. They made it Thor. All right. Well, Indiana Jonesing will return with Raiders of the Lost Dark. All right.

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