James Bonding - Live and Let Die With Phil Nobile JR

Episode Date: February 21, 2024

Our man in the East, Phil Nobile Jr returns to talk all manner of Roger Moore, New Orleans and Voodoo. #KanangaBalloon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Gentlemen, how are you? We're so good. And we're glad you're back, even though we're recording this one first. It's a bit of a time warp. Oh, got it. So we'll do all our pleasant to catch us later. We should do callback jokes in reverse. Okay, hang on.

We should set up some callback jokes. I'm going to reference something that I will reference later on in our day, but to the listener will be something that we, boy, this is tough. It'll happen. Don't worry. Let's all make a callback. right now to last week's episode and see if we did it. Well, we can force it in.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, we could, I mean, certainly. Yeah. That's not the baloney kingdom I remember. That's a chip off the old honky tonk. And that's why we have eyebrows. Okay, we've got our work cut out. But for today, it's all about live and let die. 173, Roger Moore's first foray into the Bond franchise.

That's right. As James Bond. I was watching this and Amanda comes in. Still a saint. Sits down and goes, you know, he's pretty good looking. And Roger Moore is good looking as he's going to get in the franchise. That's right. That's right.

You think this is his peak good-lookingness? Yeah. I think he's healthy. He's engaged. And he's being photographed probably better than he is in the next couple of movies. And we know he's doing his knees-bend workout because he writes about it in the making of this film in that book. He is rocking serious kidney stones all through the making of this movie, by the way.

Well, he's just not drinking enough water. Think about that. And he's mad because he can't have his hair cutter come along, right? His hairdresser. Yeah, hairdresser. His hairdresser was not hired as was promised, and he flung his breakfast toast across the room and raised. All right, while we're on the subject of that book, I don't know if you guys

talked about this on the thing, but it's being re-released in hardcover in October. And I am as sure as I am of anything that we are responsible. for that. You are responsible for that. We were merely an outlet. We are merely the amplifier for your voice. I think you're right. I think you're probably right. And shouldn't they reach out to us to do a three-person forward? I think they should know if they were gentlemen. What is going on, guys? This is happening. Desmond Welland's hands are being Googled at a rate, not seen ever. What's happening? And I don't want to like, I don't want to rattle you guys, but you know your lover's not experts, Cretto. Yeah. I think you're becoming experts. No, no, no, no, no. As a fan, and I don't think you have a lot of fans on the show. I think I'm the one fan you keep bringing on to the show.

I'm listening every episode. You guys are becoming experts. Oh, no, no. Well, coming from you, that's high praise, but I beg to differ. You'll know that you're experts when you fucking hate it. Oh. Well, then I am not an expert. Not yet.

Not yet. I'm even watching Live and Let Die last night. Do you guys ever have this? Let me ask you about this. Because now James Bond is kind of like, I don't want to call it a job because there's no drudgery involved. I enjoy it, but it is this thing we have to do weekly. So it's a set thing.

So when I watch it, I am now watching in that context. But last night, I got a live and let die flash of like when I was a kid watching this movie. And that was a feeling I haven't felt in a while because I still enjoy it. But again, I'm watching it in current day mode. And I'd forgotten about all the nostalgia that goes with this. And like, if you put Bond on the shelf for a year or two and come back to it, that's the first feeling you get. And even though I've seen this movie very recently, I still, this one, man, I flashed back. This was the first DVD I ever bought.

Really? Oh, wow. Yeah. And also we should mention this will come out close to May, and it's almost a year since the death of our boy, Roger Moore. May 2030. Isn't that what we came back with? With me.

Yeah, that's right. We all talked Roger, and we talked about the book. And I think, you know. Obviously, this book is why. That's, we are why. And it's appropriate. And I think we landed on Live and Let Die as our collective favorite of his at that time. Yeah.

And here we are looking at these great Live and Let Die stunt spectacular prints by Matt Goerly. By Matt Goorley. They hired him when he was about six years old to draw this. I was zero. I was born the year of this movie. It took them a little while. That's right. The licensing.

And then they were like, well, we got to do a poster. Yeah. I know a young man in Long Beach. Way to you're back. I'm sorry. I keep forgetting you're from the least remember. I know. The least memorable place in Southern California.

It is so memorable that even John Greenleaf, Whittier had never been there. They just named it after him, apparently. But clearly this movie made a mark on the three us in a way that the collective sort of opinion doesn't value the movie. Yeah.

That's a good point. Is it just ripening? Is it becoming, is it just that when you get to the sameness of some of his franchise, this one stands out so much? Boy, it really does. And is it the black exploitation thing? It's just, it's one of those outliers,

and I love the Bond outliers. And I actually think this is as close to good as an outlier gets maybe, sure, with the exception of like, on her majesty's service. So something that can still be an outlier. that is an outlier but can still be a good movie. Yeah, most of the outliers are good because they're so bad.

Like, diamonds are forever or few to a kill or something. Well, it depends on what your definition of outlier is. That's true. Licensed a kill is a bit of an outlier. Yeah. Quantum's a bit of an outlier. That's true. But I like both of them.

I don't know if Connery has an outlier. I don't think of Quantum as an outlier. I think of Quantum as the post-credit sequence for Casino Royale. It just happens to be two and a half hours. It costs $170 million. I think Connery, Diamonds are Forever is a bit of an outlier of his, yeah. Just in terms of the logistics of how that came to be. Yeah.

Interesting. Well, let's get into this film, huh? You got your notes? God, I love this thing. Oh, my goodness. I wrote notes. Because I've seen this movie, this is probably in my top five of the bond that I've seen the most.

This is one of the ones I used to put on all the time. It's why it was the first DVD one I bought for some reason. I really watched the background a lot in this one. and already right out of the gate noticed some things about Bond's kitchen that goes beyond that espresso maker or whatever it is he has. But his fridge is tiny.

Do you guys notice the size of his refrigerator? And I'm sure that was probably a common thing in England at the time. But it's like the size of, well, it's like the size of a Casper mattress box that comes in the size of a small refrigerator. And he has rooster gelo molds hanging up in his kitchen. He does have a real country theme going there.

Or bun cakes, yeah, or something, yeah. I think that the, they're jello molds, right? They are. The rooster jello, the copper rooster jell-movite, which I feel like was on every kitchen wall. Yeah. From, I don't know, the invention of copper until 1988. It's the invention of kitchens. I mean, I'm familiar with the sort of the rooster imagery in kitchens. I did not ever assume it was a jello mold. It's probably a cake thing. I always thought it was. I think it's probably a yellow thing. I just pretended in my mind. Well, you know, I just- It's got to be a cake thing. It's got to be, right?

Yeah. Is he cooking anything besides that fucking cappuccino, though? Yeah, just quiche. You know what? This is the first time I noticed that he actually grinds the beans himself. Oh, yeah. That's what that big machine is solely a grinder, right? Because the espresso thing is separate.

That is insane. That is insane how big the grinder is at that point. Yeah. Yeah. It had to be some kind of like industrial steel motor. But I also want to know what goes on at M's. Maybe, you know what, here's my guess. Em has one of these machines, but he's never seen it because he doesn't go in his kitchen.

Because we know he has a butler. He has a full staff. Right, you're right. So when he asks for coffee, it's just brought to him. He hears it. So it's either that or he's a big Maxwell house instant coffee guy. He's probably just tea. That's why he always needs the spoon.

He might be a tea guy. Bond's coffee only. He's not tea, especially Fleming's Bond. Especially Fleming. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to jump past this oddity, an outlier of a cold open, that's for sure. Sure. Yeah. No bonds.

Oh, do you mean the cold open? Yeah. It's one of, I think one of only three that do not have bond in them as a character. Right. So you got Dr. No. Well, there's no cold open. You guys call all that. Fair enough.

I'm not counting that one, but okay, you can have that if you like. Okay. We're not taking it. We don't want it. Yeah, we don't need your charity. Fine. From Russia with love. Right.

I don't like counting that one. For me, I will count it if the actor playing. James Bonda had to appear on screen. Well, then the other one doesn't count either. Yeah. There's your hint. Oh, wait. Hang on.

Oh, man with the golden there it is. Right. Yeah. Roger Moore plays the mannequin of himself. Only one without even the actor in it. Correct. Wow. Yeah.

That's big. Was this a, they're like, I wonder what their thought process was, having gone through the Lays and B transition, only to re-transition to Connery, to then bring in this guy who now. Now, they've signed to more pictures and they understand as a competent actor who knows how the business works and won't fucking grow a beard and move on to a boat. Yeah. They probably didn't know how much they had. There's an anecdote about how Roger Moore kept coming back with his haircut and Cubby kept sending him back shorter, shorter because he was, he had some seriously long hair when he got hired.

Yes, I've seen those photos of him. And it is, he's the, we've all, we agreed in the last episode. we talked about Roger Moore that he was the most like James Bond of all the actors. He embraced it the most. Yeah, the way he lived on the south of France to avoid taxes, et cetera. But I wonder what was going through sort of like production, from a production standpoint, or from Cubby's standpoint of like, let's not show him until afterwards. Right. Let's not acknowledge it in the way that we did with the Lazy's Be.

Hmm. Yeah. There's some unveiling with Lazyz-N-B that kind of went over like a lead balloon. I wish that was Sylvia Trench, by the way, instead of an Italian agent. Oh, interesting, little tie-in. Yeah. I love his hair in this. It's the highest and tightest you'll get Roger Morris Bond.

True. And he looks fantastic in this. He's just uniformly leather bronze throughout this. Like, he doesn't have a single tan line. Yeah. somehow. And his other various lines haven't shown up yet in his face and whatnot. He's got just the right amount of age in his face.

He's, what, 45 in this? I'm approaching live and let die age. Do you think it's a coincidence that the next time we see Bond's apartment, which is Inspector, it is also a scene where Moneypenny brings him something, and M, technically speaking, gives him orders? Yes. I don't think it's a coincidence. I don't think they were.

making that far ahead. I can't imagine they were. I like to know. Now, it makes sense that he's, I would like to see a scene of Daniel Craig's Bond apartment having been decorated. Like, does he finally get it done?

Does he hire someone? Does he do it? Does, like, Swan go like, we really got to put some stuff up on the house there. Oh, I feel like they'd get out of London and move to the south of France or like a Normandy or something. That's a great question.

Where are they going to be living? Yeah. Oh, you're not thinking that Swan's going to be in this movie. It's not going to happen. I was hoping. It's over. Is it? You think it's over? I do. Yeah? Yeah. Especially the idea of Danny Boyle coming in with this out of left field idea. You don't think they'll try to tack something on like, Honor Majesty's opening like they were going to do originally? I wouldn't be surprised to find out Danny Boyle didn't watch Spector. Yeah. How about that? I would be surprised to find out he did. The personal life of Bond is intriguing to me. Let's talk about

his apartment. You only see it in Dr. Well, we talked about his apartment a lot last week with Phil. That's right. Sure. we did. Another callback. Well, let's continue that conversation. You get Dr. No, you get live and let die, and you get Spectra. Is he the only times you see Bond's apartment? Yes. Yes. Do you think, because he has this, like, really modern kitchen and he has this almost like colonial living room and bedroom. Are we seeing all of Bond's apartment? It's just living room, bedroom, and kitchen? Are you thinking there might be an office somewhere? An office? No, because his office desk is essentially in the living room. It's where M puts his tea down.

But do you think there's another bedroom or this is kind of just a bachelor pad at the time? It's London. Things aren't huge there. It's a bachelor pad. Definitely a bachelor pad. Yeah. His one in Dr. No, looks like a museum or something. I know.

It's very strange. And it has an interesting, like, diagonal layout, too, that, yeah, I really am fascinated. Do you think that he has a parking spot for his car? What kind of personal car do you think Roger Moore's James Bond drives? Might be the Bentley. You think so? You think he's still rocking a green 30s Bentley? Or maybe like an alpha.

Romeo or something, a little tiny... Yeah, I feel like Roger Moore's James Bond is more of like whatever the fanciest Citrian is. Right. It's possible. But does flats like that even come with a garage back then? I don't know. Certainly horse stables were nearby.

Sure. In the Fleming books, he talks about it, keeping it out of a garage somewhere near his house. Wow. That's crazy. Looks after it. Every week, yeah. Wow.

That'd be nice. My man, my car man. Yeah. Wow. Okay, so the Money Penny, Money Penny getting the girl out, again, is just reinforcing the relationship that Money Penny's really into being cuckolded. She's a cuck. She's a glutton. She's like, I can't wait to watch James Bond to have sex with another lady. Yeah, I'm going to keep this up. She's bros before host. She's certainly James Bond's best friend. I don't care what he thinks. Oh, no one is going to...

She's a great friend to him. No one's going to help him more than she will. And that goes even Felix on down the line. It's like she's his fixer. She's his Michael Cohn personal attorney. Yeah. When he tried to quit, she rewrote his resignation letter. That's right.

To a request for vacation. She would make $130,000 payments to Stormy Daniels for bond. Of course he would. I want to know if... By the time this comes out, who knows what will have been revealed. By the way, I love the touch of him asking her if she's married. When he looks at his watch, it's 5.48 in the morning and someone's knocking at the door. He's like, you're not married, are you?

Like, this is something that he's been through before. It just came up. Yeah. I thought that was a very nice touch. So they get him out of there and they send him to... Where does he go first? New York, right? He goes to New York.

So who's the most British has happened already? And it's down to M, and it's down to the guy who does. dies in a very British way at the United Nations. It's Bernardly. Really? I kind of like the, just the way that guy taps his earpiece. He's really subtle. I like him, but the way he dies and then nobody really reacts. They look at him, but it's kind of like, is he dying?

He's a real joker, that guy. And whenever anyone's giving a boring speech, he pretends to die. So they just assume he's at it again. Oh, that's that dry English wit. I like how they decided to have the United Nations look like you're traveling through a small world with how. culturally each person's country in front of them is like okay you're there you're holland uh-huh is the united nation versions of that that weird dinner and honor my sister service

oh yeah girls eating yes each girl eating the what do white people like corn okay i'm opening a new restaurant of racist food where you you you state your races you come in and that's what you are relegated to the most stereotypical meal of your country i would just lie and say i was canadian every time just a stump so you would they Just get mousse burgers and maple syrup. Yeah, poutine, mousse, and maple syrup. I'm into it. I'm way into it.

I'm Irish, so I would just get potatoes and Guinness. What are you, Phil? I'm Italian. So just spaghetti. Spaghetti. And kiomte. Yeah. Well, I'm Portuguese.

Linguisa. And half Cuban. You get a delightful meal. You get plantains mixed with linguisa. I've even had Linguisa a long time. I like Linguisa. Yeah. Remember last week when we had Linguisa and then recorded the podcast?

Oh, that was good. I missed that. Let's go to lunch at a Portuguese restaurant today. Let's find one of those. Okay, so I want to talk about this New York situation, this driving up to Harlem. So also, they, when Bond arrives in New York. New York. And he's in the car with Charlie, his driver, and Whisper drives along and shoots him. They know all of this simply because Solitaire said a man comes. He brings violence. And they were

able to determine where and what time he was arriving in what city. Well, there's an interesting point in that Mr. Big's entire network is a sort of a weird fantastical version of the horrible stereotype that all black people know each other. Yeah, right. It really. the shoe shine guy, he's in touch with the cab driver who knows the pimp that's driving. Well, I think they all get a little taste, you know? It's not even that they know

each other, it's that they all have each other's numbers and CB handles. Yeah, constant contact. I love the 70s CB of it all. I think it's a wonderful, this movie, I don't think, if this movie doesn't exist, I don't think Smoky and the band exists. No, you're right.

Well, that's a very good point. I was thinking about, you know, they talk about how it dipped into the black exploitation era, but there's also a healthy, healthy dose of redneck exploitation in this movie. And when you think about the fact that Bert Reynolds was offered this one, do you think that was baked in in sort of anticipation of good old boy, Bert? Because that same year, he makes white lightning, which you could blind show someone two clips from both movies and be very similar. There's like these boat races on the swamps. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. These good old boy sheriffs chasing guys.

White lightning is Archer's favorite movie. It's awesome. It's really weird to think that smoking the band, comes out four years after this. Is Gator out at this point already? Gator's a sequel to White Lightning. So, okay. So Gator 76. White Lightning comes out like, I think, a month after this movie. Wow.

So what is in the zeitgeist that is doing? Is it Cool Hand Luke? What is deliverance? When is deliverance? That's later. Oh, it's before. Okay, so this is building, and this is kind of like when it proto jumps the shark and then Smoky and the Bandit really brings it home.

God, I love Smoking the Bandit. There's barely a genre for it to be riffing on, but there's all this sort of the seeds of red exploitation or Hicksploitation. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think we should do an off week about smoking in the band. Are you serious? I'm in.

Yeah, because it is like so. It's so. It's so. Sheriff Pepper. Yeah. And quite frankly, I haven't watched it in like 10 years and I remember loving it the 19 times I watched it as a child. That is the biggest leap from Bond movie to in between. I mean.

No, it is not. I just made the connection for you. There's smuggling. There's espionage. I mean, J.W. Pepper is definitely the connection there. I'm trying to think of at least one other connection, even an actor, other than Burt Reynolds being considered for Bond. You've got to do a run of also Rans are almost bonds.

Yeah. You do a Sam Neal episode of Bert Reynolds one. Wait a minute. I've got to be able to find some connection. Hal Needham directed it. Jerry Reed, Sally Field, Jackie Gleeson. God, I mean,

I mean, there's, is there anything in there? Chart-topping theme song. Oh, man, I don't know that song. Jerry Reed's one of my favorite musicians. And Jerry Reed is so good in that movie. Like, he is, talk about, you got Brosnan hurt acting? Watch Jerry Reed get beat up in that movie in the Biker Bar. His hurt acting is bar-none, top-notch, the best hurt acting I've ever seen.

Nice. That's how you do hurt acting. Biker Bar None? Biker Bar None. All right, I'm sorry, I'm done with my smoking the Bannet Rant. That was going to be the first movie we did as an outdoor movie here at the household. Oh, that's got to be kicking back up pretty soon. Yeah, yeah.

I'm excited to talk about this PimpMobile. Because when Felix says we need a, what does he says, we need a make on a white pit mobile. Yeah. How vague. could you be? He does follow it up with the license plate, doesn't it? And I also realize that I'm going to start using,

if I ever have an alias, it's going to be Nelson, David, George, what he uses for the license plate. I love the tiny missile. This might be a gloft to some. Let's hear it. I think collectors know the deal. Do you notice that her tarot cards have 007 on the back of them? It's not that much of a gloft.

No, but that's a strange thing. you either notice that or you don't, because once you know it, you can't unsee it. Yeah, it's like a magic flower drawing. But Jimmy Blades bought me at the deck. It's somewhere in the garage when we moved. I've had trouble finding it. The lovers. It is crazy.

This movie is introducing Jane Seymour. I know. She's 21? She is. Here? Just holds the screen. Are you a fan? I love it.

Oh, yeah. She's one of my favorites. But she's also like, she's, not only is she beautiful, but she's also like acting. Like she's like, because I find a lot of times you have a lot of these bond girls that they're not, how do I put this? Great at acting. Not nuanced.

Yeah. Yeah. Like I would even, like Rosie Carter is playing it too big, I think. She's pretty bad. She's trying to, so big. Yeah. She's in a different. She's like, she is, I think she's, she's playing in a, in a theater where they've only sold tickets to people in the third row of the

balcony. That's how she's performing. That's the most consideration anyone has ever given that performance ever. And you're right. I stand with you. She's big and shrill. It is cool. It is very cool to see all the Harlem stuff, like to see New York at that time.

I love Strutter, too. I would love to see a film with Strutter. For some reason, it never occurred to me that Strudder is the one that gets killed later for some reason. Oh, why? I don't know. I just had forgotten about him as a character. He disappears for so long.

Yeah. And there's so much movie. This is a really packed movie. And it's a different city. It's New Orleans, right? Yeah, he's back in New Orleans, so I just assume it's, I don't know. I like that everyone that is in the funeral procession is always in on whoever they're murdering. Yeah.

And they all have one outfit for this move. Yeah. Whatever the day. It's called shot on the same day. Oh, absolutely. Like, they didn't move the camera for some of them. Now, all right, bring that, bring Strudder in. him here. The white

agent who gets killed in the pre-title sequence, I just found out, is the son of Roger Moore's cinematic idol, and that's how he got that job. Who's the cinematic idol? Oh, God. I knew you were going to ask me that. His last name is Dix, and it's not the cowboy, but it's some actor that Roger Moore went to see in his youth, and he found out

his son was local to New Orleans and got on the gig. That's why that British agent has no British accent. Yeah, that's another thing that I was like, should I go back? Because they just called him a British Agent, I don't remember Our Man in New Orleans

Or whatever Yeah, I suppose You know, over there working for the Secret Agent Secret agent What in the world? Can we talk real quick While we're still in New York

He's in the play with Rosie Carter Yeah, he is They're doing dinner theater down there Bonds Chesterfield coat in New York It might be the best more has ever looked. The double breast situation. It is gorgeous. I agree with you. I think because his hair is

high and tight. He's got gloves and that overcoat. Is he wearing a blazer under that? Or is it just... He is, but it's still so finely tailored. Chesterfield coat that's just chef kiss. Yeah, I've often said that's my favorite. He kind of... He explodes into Safari Jacketland in the next

movie and sort of rides that bus all the way to 1985. Yeah. That's right. But right here, it's like, real classic look on him. Yeah. He's looking, yeah, this whole movie. I love the way he's dressed. It's a lot of good outfits.

Even when he goes hang gliding and he's wearing a navy suit. But that navy suit peels away to a khaki suit. Why? I know, why? I know why it's dark for the first part? Why not keep it dark? But I guess you just just island where it simply isn't done. You don't wear a dark suit in the tropics, I guess.

It's like white after Labor Day. Um, I have to say. say, Coral, I'm jumping ahead a little bit, but Coral Jr.'s Placement of the Secret Latch to open up his radios and guns. Yeah. Not awful. No. Don't you think it should go up?

It's a bad choice. It should go up. Yeah. It should go not in the direction that anything you put on. Yeah. You're absolutely right. When you use the thing. Yeah.

Yeah. It's like, you know, I have a secret door, but to activate it, you have to turn the handle. I don't worry. This light switch. This switch, yeah, Mark's secret door. I don't want to be insensitive, but Carl's dad. thought a tank was a dragon. So maybe smart...

Listen, there were dragon legends about that island. Or maybe, I don't know. Maybe they're just dumb. It's possible. They're just boat people. I'm going to bring this movie up because there's also something I noticed in here. I don't know if we talked about this before, but you guys keep talking. I'm going to find this.

There's something special in here. So if I was only listening to the commentary 10 years ago, I would have learned that Rick Baker did the Barents of Meaty Head and the Canangible. Is that in the commentary? It is in the scene where some media's head gets shot and his eyes roll up, which always blew my mind, but it's a Rick Baker effect. So there's differing opinions on whether or not Rick Baker opinions, different stories on whether or not Rick Baker did the Mr. Big makeup, because not particularly good makeup.

No, it sure isn't. But Yafit Koto, who says a lot of crazy shit, said it was Rick Baker who did that makeup. Famous alien abductee Yafat Koto. Right. Exactly. I mean, he seems like a lovely man, but he tells another. crazy story about how he got fixated on living like James Bond after he made this movie. No kidding. He said he had to have the best, he had to have the limousine. He had to have the

best suits. And it was all because of Bond. He said he had a three-year bender where he couldn't snap out of it. Wow. I love it. He feels it, right? He completely changes in the cave. He's really stern and serious throughout. And then when Bond shows up, he's more than just hospitable in an evil villain sort of way. He's just suddenly like super happy. He breaks about that choice. You're familiar with my part of the movie I love, which is the did you didn't hear this yet because Thunderball comes out.

Everyone's confused as to how many we're recording it once. But yeah, you know, I discussed in the Thunderball episode, everybody's heard already. The, just how friendly Largo is in this, in the, there's like this brief moment where

in every Bond movie where the guard is dropped by the supervillain who's talking to Bond. And they just, for a second, you get a glimmer of humanity out of these supervillains. And like in Largo's case, it's when Bond is asking him how fast the Disco Volante goes. Oh, right. More than that.

20. Like, he's just so delighted to talk boats with someone. Finally, a guy gets my boat thing. Here's a theory. These films, while we love them and they're, you know, they're classics in their way, they're not really made by actors, directors. No. So an actor will make a choice.

And in fact, Yafikoto, I was listening. to an interview with him where he was really pleased with his choice to be this gracious host because he thought it made it more scary if he was super cheerful and positive and friendly to them. And it is a good choice. Yeah, I like it. He doesn't get there in any organic way. No.

Because he's just sort of making shit up on the day. Well, I also felt like it worked for the character, though, because, like, he's pretending to be this Mr. Big guy and then he's, he's, uh, cananga. Mm-hmm. So I, you know, it has an era. There's a little, uh, fractured personality happening. Yeah, sure. There's an air of madness because Bond has, at that point, ruined everything for him for the most part.

He says he doesn't. But it does feel like maybe he's like, all right, I've lost everything, so I'm going to have some fun with this guy going out or something. Yeah. He also cites himself. He said Cananga was a Bond super fan. So he was, like, emulating him and jealous of him, and he wanted to, like, impress him. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah.

And then Yafikoto ended up becoming. It's weird, right? Yeah. Man, I have so many questions for Yopacota. I think he's like maybe the most getable guest you could possibly have on this podcast. Really? Next to Lays and B? Where does he live?

He's got to live in L.A. He once did a master class at my grad school. I didn't get to go to it. That's your home stretch guys. Like guests from the movies. Yeah, we should. I know. They're all dying.

Damn. Not you, Yafit. You're long for this world. The aliens have helped you quite a bit. Rosie's, she does a lot of appearances. Oh, not after what I've said. Well, let's talk about her because... I want to show you this.

Did we talk about this last time? Brazen's a get. You can get Brasson in here. Rosnman would love to be a guest in Mac Gourley's home, I'm sure. I would have to get Phil in. Yeah, I'd love to have him, but I would feel bad. What would we, what would be the move? Would we not mention your opinions of him at all?

Or, like, how would we... Let's say that he was here. Let's say he had agreed to do it. And we got ourselves A James Bond. I got this. The pinnacle of Pierce Brosman. So Matt's first question to Pierce Brosnan is, so Pierce, you're on record as being somewhat unhappy with your run as Bond.

Talk to me about what didn't happen for you. Why did you leave disappointed? Oh, that's a good idea. And then let him be the bad guy for his own run. And then you just agree with him. The whole time I would be paranoid that he knew that I had been, I had talked ill of his performance. He's listening to this right now.

I know. But the problem is I bet it goes in one ear and out the other. bless you, Pierce, but I bet he doesn't retain any of the stuff. I think when you are that handsome, you don't hear. You're just floating your feet or something to do this. Well, I guess what I'm saying is if he was coming on here, I bet a bunch of people would tag him and me in the same tweet and go like, oh, I can't wait. Because people have done that before.

Oh, yeah. Matt, why don't you like Brazen's acting? And it's like, I know he'll probably never see it or whatever. But I do hate when people tag you in things that would hurt somebody else in any way. People are dicks. There's no need. Yeah. Because I've also gone on record and say I like him as an actor otherwise,

and he seems like a wonderful man. Yeah. And I say that again. So you could hack all his social media and, you know, just sort of control the feed of what he's seeing maybe in the weeks following the podcast. There's really no way to do it. It's disappointing to me. I think it'd be so interesting to have it. Well, it's not going to happen anyway.

That guy's busy. He's working. He lives in Kauai. You know what? He lives in Kauai. He lives in Malibu, too. The guy loves, you know what we do? We just, we share, we talk about how much we both enjoy, what does he do?

He does the long boards with the sticks. Oh, paddleboard? Yeah, we'll just talk about how much we all love paddleboarding. Better learn paddleboarding. I love those boards with sticks. All right, Rosie, you were talking about Rosie. Well, I can't remember if this came up before, but when Bond says make your choice to Rosie, it's echoed in the music. And he goes, make your choice.

It's at the same time. Hold on. Is this a gloft or is this like schizophrenia kicking? It's a little of both. Oh, wait. Okay. And I'll kill you if you don't. But you couldn't.

You wouldn't. Not after what we just done. I certainly wouldn't have killed you before. It used to be a convincing act, Rosie. It's worth of sin. It's not an act. Here. Make your choice.

You know what? I'm convinced. That should be a drop for someone's awesome remix. Make your choice. Make your choice. Make your choice. Make your choice. Wow.

Isn't that something? This is the good content that listeners. Turn your monitor off, man. Yeah. Oh, right. That's amazing. Why? Make a choice.

I'm a spy. James Bond. Why does coconut head not shoot Bond as well when he walks up to roast and I feel like coconut head has like one or two bullets Maybe I feel like coconut head is like two lenses two scopes for eyes but one bullet Stereoscopic security like well we could do we could give you the 3D Mr. Cananga But if we do that we're only gonna be able to put two bullets in there at most But if we don't do 3D we can have like a hundred bullets in there

He's like give me the 3D yeah that's so cananga What do you think James Bond would do? He'd want the best of anything. We'll give me the 3D. Well, James Bond only needs one bullet. Make it choice. Make it choice. Oh, man.

Now that's in my head for the rest of the day. Great. We didn't even talk about the cold open. I mean, not the cold open, the opening titles. Title sequence? There's one girl in particular. This is almost a gloft, but not a gloft. They are phoning it in a little bit.

Those dancers. Yeah. My favorite dancer is the one that is dancing when Maurice Binder's name comes up. And she is, seemingly twirling in a circle, I will describe it as twirling in a circle, lazily waving at the ceiling. Yes. Yes. That was a popular dance at the time.

Like, she's really like, hi. So look out for that. When Maurice Bender's name comes up in the title sequence, that girl dancing is. It's in my notes. Maurice Binder did not have a lot of choreography advice for his model. No, it's very bizarre. But like there's a literal, there's like a little wrist twirl that makes it a wave that's very funny to me. Okay, so the, I like the club.

Why is he ordering bourbon? Have we discussed this? Does anyone know why he keeps ordering bourbon? Well, he is on record as wanting to break from the martini. Yeah, so that's why he doesn't smoke cigarettes, doesn't do martinis. He smokes cigars and drinks bourbon. Right. Yeah, but like.

takes in the local stuff. Why? I guess just to differentiate him from... I know, but you're James Bond, not John Conner. But those were also movie tropes. And not cigarettes, but the martini thing was all obviously the Vesper thing, but he never really went on to drink that much in the books. He would always kind of have a different drink in the books.

Oh, he'd have a drink of the book? Basically. He would drink anything. Yeah. But most constant thing, especially on this first one, was how do I make it my own? How do I not make it seem like I'm afraid of taking it? taking the role and he was very cognizant of not wanting to do an impersonation. So I think

where he saw opportunities to zag where Connery Zigged, he took him. Yeah. And I think is good. It worked out for him. I mean, I think I said last time, Lazy's Nby kicked that door open, but, and let, you know, kind of cleared the stage and let Moore do a new thing. Right. But more really capitalized on it. It is interesting then when you see flashes of Connery in Moore's Bond, like in Four Your Eyes Only when he kicks the car over. I do like it, though. I like seeing a stern Roger Moore, but maybe it's best in little doses because it's really frames it as something special. That's a very good point.

You know he's serious. When Moore gets serious, you know he's serious. And you know he was cranky about that, too. Yeah. He's like, my Bond wouldn't do that. Yeah. And, you know, there's a weird note about when Moore took the role. The producers were teaching him the James Bond walk.

This is sort of in league with that what is and isn't Bond and stuff. But you have to move like a cat, pushing off at the ball of the foot. Once you move, it's got to look like you could walk through a brick wall if necessary. Isn't that sound interesting? Pushing off with the ball of the foot, I think of that as kind of like a tippy toe walker. When I read that, especially when the brick wall thing, I was thinking the way Craig skinks around Casino Real. Yeah. When he's like walking to the casino and stuff, he's walking with that purpose.

This is reminding me of a YouTube video that I found. It was on, I believe Deadspin was where I had originally seen it, and it maybe was a year ago. have I been before that before the world became nothing but horrible things it was a guy who works as a

reenactor in some sort of a colonial or pre-colonial society reenactment place some historical place I don't remember where it is exactly

and I'm trying to remember what he was wearing I feel like it was like a similar to a Davey Crockett looking fellow. But he, he does this 50, there's a 15 minute video of him explaining how people used to walk.

Wow. What? Yeah, shoes have made people not walk like human beings. Oh, I have seen this. I've seen this. Okay. All right. Exactly what you're talking about.

Yeah. And it's very, you know, it is, he does talk about like the ball of your foot and how like you should be like feeling for anything that might be on the ground as a, and like he does weirdly fascinating. 15 minutes of video. Yeah, that's right.

So kids, you know, if you're bored. To be fair, though, this is talking about pushing off at the ball of the foot, which gives you this propulsion kind of thing, and it's this sort of predatory swagger. Yeah, it's the opposite kind of. Yeah, yeah. And I mean, I could never...

You know what, Matt, could you cut that out where I talked about the video? You got it. Yeah, you got it. No, no, no. Definitely just cut that out. Yeah, yeah. I definitely put it up.

I can't, in a million years picture, Roger, though. No. Sorry, Roger. No. I could picture him being draped in Velvet. Yeah.

Yes. Roger Moore. He basically is. He seems like he, he seems like of all the James Bond actors that have come and gone. He seems like he was the one who most enjoyed the fashionability and trend of shag carpeting. So much so that I have a gloft. Okay. Oh.

The boat that Bond steals last and pulls up to the dock in with all the like, cops and everything has shag carpeting in it. When he gets out, you can see it. It's like brown or green shag carpeting. What must it smell like so wet? I know. I know. It's incredible. This is ridiculous.

When he's getting up onto the dock, you can see down in the boat and it has shag carpeting. I like how they, when Sheriff Pepper is talking about his brother-in-law and the cops see the black gentleman driving the boat, they just go wide-eyed. They don't say anything. They just go, oh, that must be his brother-in-law. Yeah. but they're so like, oh. I never noticed that.

Like, oh, my God. Did his sister marry? Sister married a black. Oh, my God. Like, that's a real, like, choice the actors are making and are directed to do. Oh, absolutely. That's a loft. The way he kept saying it, my brother.

Billy Bob. Are you sure? You're sure. Does that boat get destroyed? Yeah, it's the one that rides up into that tanker, right? Poor Billy Bob, man. Oh, well, he had it come. He was a real racist prick.

When he wakes up. It's not going to be good. Good for him. Okay, so the Harlem stuff, the bourbon. We're down into Jamaica already. We're already in Jamaica. This is crazy. You know what?

It's easy to look at a film like Thunderball and they use the jetpack and you go like, oh, that was novel and crazy at the time. Thunderball. Thunderball. This one, it never occurred to me because hang gliders have been such a thing for so long that when this would have come out, this is right before the hang gliding craze of the 70s and 80s, that that would have been this like, whoa, whoa, what is this thing? A hang glider.

I had no idea there was a time before hang glider. Yeah. I guess it's very similar to, you know, the water ski, you know, the jet ski. Yeah, what do they call it, water bike? Yeah, the water bike, yeah, yeah. Or even helicopters, they were kind of novel. Yeah, from Russia with love. Yeah, exactly.

So we set five minutes from now. Right. That's the world of bond, right? That's right. That's why you'll never get the period film. I wish no. I wish they would. Maybe that's what Dan.

No. We were kids, so I cut this probably on the ABC movie back in the day. I don't know how quickly, but it was fairly immediately after watching Living Lettie that we tried the hairspray in a lighter trick. Oh, yeah. Did you guys do that as kids? I lit so many aerosol things on fire as a child. Yeah.

I was a maniac. I would describe myself as a near arsonist. I was too. I lit my bedroom on fire, as a matter of fact. A fire. Did you really? Yeah, in fact, I was deodorant, but not spray deodorant. It was because I was doing a lot of that spray deodorant fire thing.

And so I had a stick of deodorant, which has alcohol. So you were wondering. And so you could light it like a torch and hold it. And so I did that in my room and I shook it to put it out. And then the deodorant flew out of the canister rolled under my bed, which was an antique bed, full of like an old box spring that was just, and it just went. And so I ran, my buddy was there, we got water. We got it out.

But my carpet was all charred. And then I was waiting for my stepdad to come home that day. And I had to pay for a new mattress out of my allowance. And yeah, it was really stupid. But I was always blown. Well, you know, me and Squibs. Like, I was always like building bombs and blowing shit up. But do you remember when you would do that aerosol spray thing?

There was always, and I don't know if this is true or not. But everybody would always say you can't do it for long because the flame will creep up and it'll blow up. Yeah. That's not true, right? No. No. So go ahead, kids. No, don't.

Don't do it. Also, kids. be aware that if you were going to shoot at a gas tank, it's not going to blow anything up unless you're using an incendiary round. I guess that's true, yeah. So I just want to share a little bit of... Is that true? Yeah, it is true.

But, yeah, the aerosol can. I used to take, you know, another thing I used to do is WD40. I was a big fan of... Yeah, me too. I was a big fan of taking WD40 and writing my name on concrete and then lighting that on fun. That's pretty cool. That was good. You know what that was a good American fun.

That was good. That was what we were up to when we were kids. We were outside burning things. Yeah. What were you doing? kids just watching YouTube? Yeah, what else could you do? Yeah.

What do you think we would be like if the internet existed? Like, if the internet was... I'm afraid, because I had already figured out squibs and there's a, you should check this out. There's a documentary that Jay Chiel from the Film J. Chil from the Film Junk podcast made about me getting squibbbed called The Squibbbing. And it goes back to my drawings I had done as a kid on how to do these diagrams and everything like that. Are the drawings in the dock? Yeah. Oh my God.

Yeah. Yeah. And then it ends with me getting squibbed. I've seen the video. Yeah. Yeah. but there's a whole little mini doc on it. I love you. I love all your dreams.

I know. But I wonder, like, I wonder if the internet, if the internet existed at the, at, that, what it is now back in, say, like, 85. Like, I wonder if I would have just, would I, would I, would I, would I, would I, would I be a writer? I would certainly be flagged on no fly lists for all the shit out. The shit you were Googling. I wonder if I would, like, would I be, would I have more of a knowledge of, like, or

would I just use it to watch dumb videos? Yeah, I think I would have been like making so many films, especially with the filmmaking technology that I, you know, like I had to use Super 8 cameras and stuff. I remember being blown away by Microsoft in Carter, the encyclopedia, uh, CD-ROM from Windows 95 that I just was like, there's a part of me that thinks that had I had all of Earth's knowledge at my fingertips, I'd be the smartest person in the world.

Yeah. But there's the other part of me that knows that I would not. would waste it. He'd be down some horrible rabbit hole. Yeah. I would have invented cake farts. Like that's what would have happened. Yeah.

I mean, I'm grateful to the internet in the 80s, I guess. It made me seek things and work for my knowledge, which was helpful. Absolutely. Mad and Mad and! Just wanting podcast. What? Squarespace is still bringing you this podcast. We're discussing live and let die,

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magazine. Hey, Fangoria magazine. Yeah, let's talk about that now. I know we talked about it a little bit last week, but it's worth mentioning. You are now the editor-in-chief of the new premium of Fangoria magazine.

That's right. Fangoria Magazine, which was in publications since 1979, and it went away a couple of years ago, and it's been purchased by a guy named Dallisonier, who's my new boss. He's the producer of films such as Bon Tomahawk and Brawl and Sellbach 99. He's got a real affinity for practical effects,

and he's a real fan, and he's got a crazy dream that we're going to bring this magazine back and bring it back as a brand and make horror movies under the brand. And we're talking about it. Quarterly now? Quarterly.

You're making horror movies under the brand? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. I'm pretty excited about all of it. What kind of like level films are you making? They're going to be, you know, I don't, I can't speak to specifics about like how much, but he's, you know, he's, you know, the, uh, the philosophy of it is that they got to feel

appropriate to Fangoria. So they're not going to be CGI'd affairs. They're going to be real like, embracing the practical end of stuff. Oh my God. And they're going to be. be, uh, they're going to be fun. And the magazine is a kind of a dream for me because I was reading it. I, I have issues of, you know, that I had when I was 15, 16. I've been in that magazine. You're in it? I was interviewed for it a few years ago. I think if I can remember correctly,

it was because of I was there too talking to people talking to like people from Halloween. Right, right. Yeah. Yeah. If I think, you know. I got to find it. Yeah. I, I, It's somewhere in the back room. But it's such a huge part of my childhood and a huge part of why I got into writing, why I got into films as a passion because horror movie scared the shit out of me as a kid. And so the fix, the fix was to read about how they got made.

And suddenly I wasn't afraid anymore. Same. Ah, that's funny. And then what got absorbed through that because there was some quite good writing back there, like aimed at 15-year-olds, but it didn't talk down to you, which I thought was kind of cool.

And you start to read about, directors and editors and how, all right, so this movie is gory but this movie is actually very good. And you would learn about, you know, how the auteur theory. I've learned auteur theory in fucking Fangoria. Yeah. Yeah. God, I go to the comic book store

and I love comics, but there was always Fangoria and Starlog. Starlog, yeah. Starlog, same company. Yeah. Technically, we own Starlog. So, you know, hit me up if you got some ideas about how to resurrect Starlog. Are you talking to me or the listeners? I'm talking to you and the listeners.

Oh my God. It's, yeah, our first, sorry, our first issue is coming out in October. I like this idea of a quarterly, right? It's going to be a quarterly? One of my favorite magazines is a quarterly magazine, and it comes, and it's, they put, it's a quality stock, and it's bound beautifully. And when it comes, it's like, ah, it's that four times a year where I get this magazine. Well, Birth Movies Death, too, did that, right? Birth Movies Death did that, but more like six times a year, I think.

And I loved my time at Birth Movies Death, but, but I loved my time at Birth Movies Death. but this magazine in terms of presentation and production, Matt Myra is totally on point. I can't wait. Like, they sent me the dummy, which is like a big, thick blank of like how many pages it's going to be with the stock. And so it's just white.

Yeah. But I was like, oh. Yeah. Have you ever seen the fretboard journal magazine? No, sir. It's a quarterly that actually sort of based itself off of this very popular surf magazine. And also, I'll thank you not to call Matt Myra, sir.

Oh, sorry. Oh, yeah. Thank you. We're very informal here. Oh, fair enough. sir. I'm no one, sir. But, yeah, no, it's a, there's something, there's something about that. That's how you, I think, resurrect the written periodical.

Yeah. As you, is you give it some heft and you make it a thing, a thing that you look forward to. And not like one of these, like, you know, when I get an issue of like, not to badmouth car and driver, but like, when I get an issue of car and driver, I'm like, yeah. Yeah, we want it to feel. I mean, the pitch, the thing that got me hired, I think, is I told Dallas when I was, was a kid, Fangory, it was like a special coveted thing that I had to go seek out, right?

Because it wasn't at the convenience store next to my house. It was the convenience store two miles away that was okay with carrying it. So you had to put a little effort into getting it. And it was a special thing when you got it. I didn't get it every month because I couldn't get over there or whatever. But I wanted to resurrect that feeling in a 2018 reader. So it's not going to have an online component, really. The stuff in the magazine, and I can't talk about what's coming in the magazine exactly,

but there's some really exclusive stuff. that I'm excited to bring to people and you're only going to see it in the magazine. And it comes out in October? It comes out in October. I'm in. And I want to know why Fangoria has not yet appeared in the Goldbergs.

That's a great question. It is a great question, isn't it? That is a great question. I just say that, listen, I know you're not calling all the shots over there, but this is a personal issue from my collection when I was a little kid. Oh, my God.

And I'm going to give it to you. And if it turns up in Fangoria, or if it turns up in the Goldbergs? You know, hey, that'd be swell. Let me see. But I want you to just. Just take it with you. Put it in the writer's room.

Maybe just plan an idea. If you need a different issue, if you need like issue 17, call me up, I'll get it to you. Oh, man. Nightmare and L. 3 4. Because I know that the Goldberg is set in, very purposefully set in 1980 something. So you'll hop around. The dates aren't really, it was super important.

God, this almost would have been perfect for the episode I just, we just did. The Fangare episode. No, we did an episode where Adam, borrows his mother's fur coat because he wants to recreate a Bigfoot video. At first it was going to be a Harry and the Henderson sequel he wanted to make. But blah, blah, blah, blah. We ended up making it because if he wanted to get the video on Ripley's believe it or not.

Nice. But you know what? I'll see what I can do. If you could ever do a Bond throwback for Fangoria, this is the film, right? I mean, this is the closest dual horror movie any Bond movie gets, kind of with the voodoo. With the voodoo? It's a supernatural.

It's got a sort of hammer slash amicus vibe to... Well, yeah, it also has snakes. It also has... Alligators. Alligators. Animatronic creatures. Men turning into balloons. There's so many things.

Right. There's so many things. But yeah, I mean, the fact that barren samity lives at the end is very supernatural. Right? Yeah. How many times can that guy die? Well, I don't think he really died when he went in with the snakes, guys. You think he's put on a show?

I think he just pretended to die. He's like, I'm not getting out of this. I'm going to pretend to die. of these snakes are poisonous. Fair enough. That's our secret here at this theme park. Thanks, Chris Nolan. That's our secret at this theme park.

Like, what is that show that they do, right? Oh, I love it. It's a tourist show. It reminds you at the Disneyland Hotel, they used to do some kind of like teaky fire show. It was like a fire dance show or something. Yeah, and the Polynesian has the Luwau show. Yeah.

And the language is pulled from that a little bit. So there's an episode of Madman where he goes to Hawaii. And the guy is like, the show for you wonderful people. Yeah. Like he took it. Word for word and it's in Mad Men. Really?

Yeah. It's really strange. I love the way that guy talks. Yeah. He's a real, uh, barrens. Sabity, folks. I wish the movie took place over a longer period of time, so it would have been conceivable that Pepper would have been there on vacation

with his wife. You had, on a recent episode, you were trying to figure out how much time it spans in a given bond. movie. Yes. Yeah. What do you think is happening here? Oh, this is a great question.

Yeah. I think we're looking at, are we counting the deaths of the agents at the beginning of the movie? Is the beginning of the period of time, or do we just start from Bond's engagement? Let's, okay, we'll start from that. Okay, so we'll give that two days. Like this happens in under a week. I think this is a six-day time span. It just feels so, it feels so long because there's so many different set pieces.

There's so many different outfits. outfits. Yeah, I'd say two weeks. You feel two? Yeah. You think he's gone for half a month on this case? A lot of traveling. A lot of back and forth from Jamaica to New York. Those are short trips. But do you feel like Morris Bond is the kind of traveler who needs a day after he lands? I do. I do feel that. I feel that he's delicate. You know what? I feel like he's got a lot. I think he has his own personal doctor who prescribes him things, that we don't at that point understand as being narcotics. But in the early 70s, it was like, yeah, take this. Take this upper.

It's going to be great. Cripling pill addiction. Yeah. This film's interesting, too. I noticed there's a holy shit. This is the first time I think that there's a curse word in a Bond movie. Correct. And three silent fucks.

Three? Well, Mrs. Bell has one. And then J.W. Pepper basically, they cut. The boat engine cuts him out. Yeah. And then there's another motherfucker that one of the black guys says that I can't remember. like there's just they're really embracing this kind of I mean that's another thing for more's era you know just a little vulgarity just going it's got to be Tom Mancowicz

the new screenwriter well he did diamonds of forever yeah yeah I would have thought diamonds would have got a little saltier yeah maybe yeah and Vegas especially it's perfect we don't need to change anything about that movie I did not by the way I went to Vegas I did not learn how to play backer-r-rout because I could not find a back-r-r-rart table yeah I wouldn't imagine they could find it much. There is one at the aria, I'm told. So next time I go.

You got to. I'm going to make a B-line for that. Why do I have this note, quote, what happened to your friend? Listen, quote. Someone's saying that in the film and then it cuts away, but I want to know what the rest of that combination or conversation is. What happened to your friend? Listen. And then it cuts away.

Is it two of the cops? I can't remember. I'm not sure I remember that one. Oh. Is it the cops right before a person? Pepper commandeers the vehicle? No. I can't remember.

What's happening there? All right. Sorry, popping back into my notes here. When Whisper, when they knock out Bond in the little, like, lounge room where they're going to cut off his pinky. Yeah. And Whisper has to carry Bond out of the room. Yeah.

How many takes do you think they were able to do that? Because it looks like Whisper's really strongly. That's why I think that was it. Yeah, I think that's the best. Yeah. By the way, I will say this, and this happened to me last time. Every time I watched this movie, I forget about the plain portion of the chase sequence. Every single time I'm going to watch this movie, I forget that this scene exists.

Yeah, I do too. And why is that, do you think? I don't know. I think it's because it's sort of unremarkable and completely superfluous. Yeah, and right before the boat chase. Yeah, and I guess it's also like why, like, it has everything going. for it. It's got a civilian,

funny civilian, who is somehow now involved in a James Bond chase. Yeah, this is Bell. It's got it's got Bond taking the helm of something. It's got Bond in a vehicle.

It's got, you know, it's got Bond breaking wings off of a plane. This has usually everything I like in a chase, but I just always forget this exists. There was something that I read where it's,

Manga, which was under the orders from, I think, Saltzman. let's have a plane chase where the plane never takes off. And that was it. That sounds about right. That's how they rolled. Where they also like, let's have a boat chase, but a lot of it's on land. Yeah.

And then let's do it again in the next movie. Yeah. I only just found out that they, that saltsman and broccoli at this point were trading off. Right. So this was a saltsman jam. And the next one was the cubby in the lead. I guess that sort of makes sense, though, because they're cranking him out every year at that point. This is his last jam then.

Yeah. Because he's off by Spy Who Love Me, right? Isn't that first broccoli's first solo flight? Exactly. The last one. So this is really his last one. Yeah. I think maybe Harry got a little bit of a raw deal.

I think he was unlikable. I have to agree with that. I don't know. I get the feeling he was difficult and nuts and not grounded in reality. And Covey's like, stop ordering all these elephant shoes. My heart breaks when they show that footage in everything or nothing where they're at the premiere or something. and they run into each other. And there's like this sort of like, oh my God.

But it's like also like, oh man, you fucked up, bro. Well, it's interesting if they are trading off, it's worth looking at who's, I don't think they did that regularly enough because in the early days they were probably together on them. You know, yeah, yeah, together. If you back it up two films, though, that means that Saltsman did on Her Majesty Secret Service. That can't be right. And Cubby did diamonds. And I do like live and let die way better than man with a golden gun.

So that's interesting. It's Cubby that Connery had the problem with, right? Yeah. Yes. Yeah. That's interesting. But then everybody else loves Cubby. What is it?

Is he on the Night Show when he says that? Yeah. Everybody else loves Cubby. And Sean Connery, to be honest, doesn't seem like the easiest person to get along. The friendliest and easiest person to get along with. I think if you're into tennis, he loves you. Golf or tennis. Golf or kiltz.

Right. History is written. by the winners, guys. That's true. That's so true. That's so true. Curious. Well, let's go to the point where we have some crocodiles and alligators here.

And Tic... Crocogators? Did you notice that Kenangay doesn't call him Teehee? He calls him Tih. He grew up the entire movie. Acting. I like that. To he.

That's a fun choice. Also, where does one order oil drums full of raw checkup? Oh, you know what? I feel like that's got to be... There's got to be a farm that also sells in bulk like that. Probably. Two alligator farms. Shark chummers?

Shark chummers, yeah. Give me a drama spoiled parts. Do you think a shark, is a shark into that? You throw a raw piece of chicken in the water? Probably not. It's more bloody. What is chum usually? Like, what is it?

Fish gut. It's fish, okay. It's like all the fish fowl that no one wants. Okay, yeah, that's probably more what sharks are into. They're chumming right now. Have you, did you have occasion to watch the outtakes this time, or they're just already in here? of the Ross Canega running across me.

Yeah. Isn't that interesting his name is Cananga? That sounds so much like an African name, but he's just this red-headed white guy down in the bayou named Ross Canangga. And it was, what came first? Him.

He did. They shot at his alligator farm and then named the villain after him. It's amazing. Because Mr. Big is just the villain in the books. When they were scouting or whatever, they land on that name, so they changed it before they started shooting, right? I think it's like Jakarta or something or Jakata, the original name.

Or you think of Jim Kata. What is the movie? The original name of. Of Kananga. Before they changed it to Kananga. Oh. It was like Jakata or something like that. Yeah, I don't remember.

That'd be an interesting read again. I'm about ready to go through the Fleming books again, I think. If you haven't, give the audiobook of this one a listen and feel deeply in your heart for Rory Keneer trying to get through. from this book. It is really uncomfortable. Really? Yeah. He's doing these like 50s jive black voices.

Why? Why make that choice? Why make that choice? You don't have to do that. You don't have to do the voice. But what if he made that choice before he got to that point in the book and like he's locked and he's... There's a whole chapter of just what Bond is overhearing in a Harlem nightclub. And it is only quotes of...

And the way he's... The way that Fleming has typed it, forget it. There's no way to not sound racist when you're doing it. I am using an audible credit on this right now. Do it, do it. They made a, I don't know if I agree with the choice in terms of like historical preservation, but they renamed Chapter 5 in this audiobook. What was it before?

N-word heaven. What do they call it? N-word heaven. Negro heaven. Oh, God. Boy. Oh, boy. What a troubled, what a troubled author?

and man. Yeah, a troubled author and a troubled sort of like thing, the outlook to reconcile with your love of bond and the time, you know, and the time that it was. And online where we're kind of like, well, we, me, I don't know about you guys, but we're kind of scolded for worshiping this franchise just for the things that the casual finger wagger knows about. Yeah. Like if they knew about the stuff in the Fleming books, holy cow. Yeah, I know, of course. And then I'm like, yeah, walk around feeling guilty about it sometimes. Yeah, yeah. but I don't know what to do I do feel like

we enjoy this franchise but with the understanding that it has a horrible element to it and in an academic sense that is also part of why I enjoy it not because I like

embraced this in any way but I I'm curious to see how culture has changed and like Fleming had real problems he has real problems as a person and views

and an artist and the movies do as well, and they're really worth talking about it. But we also get backlash from people saying, like, these are the way the films were. This was a different time. And I kind of want both parties to say that we're not, like, it's a conversation really worth having. I really want to talk about the flaws of these films, not just in creative choices, but like in societal choices. And either way, like talking about it, I think is a good thing because nobody's endorsing these things. But for people to say that we shouldn't be talking about these things to give it a pass because it's from another era, it's not like we're really 100% coming down on it.

But I find this stuff incredibly interesting that people saw things that way. And this franchise is singular in that way because what other IPs are floating around that have been sort of like under one company's umbrella for 55 years. And to see that sort of shift. To see where they lag and to see where they jump ahead in some ways, they got a lot of shit for having more have a love scene with Rosie Carver. they're like, oh, well, we can't play in the South. And Cubby Broccoli, who we were just kind of thrown shade at, to his credits, and then we don't play in the South. Right.

You know, they were, there's a weird push-pull happening across the whole of the franchise. And just from an anthropological point of view, it's really fascinating. Yeah. And that's what I continue to engage with. And you can't deny that the franchise hasn't caught up to the times. If you look at Craig's films, like they really, they, they, they, it's not like it's stuck back in the past. So it knows it's, it knows its missteps, you know.

I think that the franchise has tried. every decade to be in that decade as best it can. And it's very clear with, for instance, with this black exploitation sort of genre that Bond has been thrown into. They're trying to keep up with the late 60s or 70s cinema vibe, right? So then in the 80s, you're like, well, what's what the movie's like now? Let's give them license to kill. Let's go dark drugs, do that. And then in the 90s, you're like, well, we need like a computer-driven Bond who like has this techno music.

that somehow well let's put let's make ammo female and have James Bond have to deal with that and then in the mid-aughts you're like well what is the franchise now

well you know these boring movies are popular but also like let's sort of like pull them back a little bit let's take them back to the beginning and then they give us Craig

so I think that the I think the franchise is much more you can be much more critical of the franchise had it not evolved at all and had it just continued to be doing

movies that were set in the 50s and just had this attitude of like yeah you know it's even more interesting i think to look at the way bond films handle women in the sense of like obviously hugely misogynist in the beginning now they kind of give their female some agency but they still struggle a bit with like needing a damsel in distress which is at odds with today's world as well so even today's films, which I think they've, like, pretty much handled racism pretty well. I think there's still some troubling aspects, you know, like they get, like Madeline Swan, she's a doctor, she's got station, she's got agency, but at the same time, I mean, she chooses to walk away, which is a strong choice, but she needs to be saved in the end.

Yeah, but she also saves him. Right, right. You know. Yeah, I'm just saying, I'm not saying, like, it's right or wrong. it's just will Bond ever transcend needing to save his his female?

You know, like that's an interesting sort of thing. I would like to see Bond save a male. But Cuano Solis handles it really well, I think,

with Camille in that he kind of helps her out. He does save her. She's freaking out because of the fire, but she's there on her own mission. I can't wait to watch that movie again.

I'm really curious. The weird thing about, you know, the female sort of aspect of that, whole thing is that Craig, you know, aside from Lazy's Bee, Craig is the only stretch where Bond ends the movie alone every time until Spector. That's why everybody's so assuming that he has, that Madeline Swan has to come back after Spector. But if you look at Spector as just an entry

in the franchise, that's how every Bond movie ends. Right. Him driving away with a girl you never see again. Very true. And so that's why I'm sure the Boyle is going to lean into that end of things. But he's never given Q a bottle of champagne. That's true. That was new. Yeah. Or given him a burner that only he calls her on. That's weird. Let's talk, I want to discuss what, because we don't, we see a lot of gadgets in this film. Right out of the gate. But we see no cue. Yeah. Weird. It is a very interesting choice. I like to assume that Desmond O'Ewellyn was busy doing something, maybe some handwork out of town. I got a lot.

Let me Google that. But yeah, I want to know why he's not in it. But also, I just, I, I, I, I'm going to, I want to guess as to how big his hands were during the making of this movie. Unless, Matt, you can tell us what he was doing in 1973. What was Desmond Llewellyn up to? Well, it's because his hands were so inflamed. He couldn't shoot the film. He couldn't get through the door. Yeah.

He couldn't get a sleeve. Yeah. Someone sent us a Photoshop of him with those giant fake hands. Yeah. And that was very funny. Imagine I'm trying to get through a door like that. Oh, according to a message board here. This is where all the best information comes from.

He was busy with a TV series at the time, and Harry Saltzman didn't think it was necessary to have a cue in the film. Oh, see, this is what Cubby would have been like. Cubby would have waited. We'll get him. Also, remember, Desmond's cue wasn't that popular in the early 70s. His fame with Bond came later. I don't know about that. They burn him off fairly quickly in Honor Majesty Secret Service, right?

He's only in the pre-title sequence. And at the wedding. And the wedding. It was more about them wanting to distance the new Roger Moore Bond from the Connery Bond. I could see that. I've heard that before. That I could see. Sure.

Possibly. Yeah. He comes back in Golden Gun and they're all just shitty to him. Shut up to you. Yeah. On that gadget tip, though, I know you're not buying my theory that the apartment scene is called back in Specter. But. I love your theory.

In the script of Spector. Yeah. He's also got a woman hiding. in the bedroom. Ah. Later it turns out to be a specter mole, by the way. Wait, when? In his apartment?

Yeah, when Manny Penny comes to see him. No shit. And I'll throw another thing on there. They reshot that scene. In the first version, he's wearing a bathrobe. Powder blue? No. It's like I'm not interested.

Well, Mores is yellow. Here's an interesting theory. I heard the guy who wrote the screenplay based it on the book and there's no Q in it or any Fleming books. He didn't know that Q was supposed to be in every Bond film, so he added Q in the Man with the Golden Gun. No. People kept asking.

I could see Tom Mankowitz not that familiar, but you know Cubby and Salsman. I think Mekowitz has spoken at length about the books. He knows what's up. Well, but Q isn't in the books. That's the thing. Right. In that book. Hmm.

I don't know. The gadgets, the Rolex, the magnetic Rolex. Yeah. The markers go red, much like they do in Specter. Okay. All right. That I buy. That I buy.

All right. Okay. Just like the bomb watch. I like it. And then obviously there was that one sheet poster where he's wearing an outfit that he's not wearing in the film, but it is the live and let die. Yeah. Have we ever get to the bottom of that?

I'm sure it was just a cool throwback poster look. Yeah, he never does wear that. But why do that, though? I mean, he has a jacket over it. That may be the only bond outfit. He has the jacket over it. At the end of Specter. That's the outfit.

Oh, that's the outfit. Is he wearing a turtleneck? Mm-hmm. Oh. Is the, because he's got the brown leather holster in that. On the poster, yeah. It's not, it's not, but it's a use. It's not, there's not, is there a, um, is there a, um, is there a, um, um,

is there a magnum in it? No. No. He's got a PPK in his hand in the air. By the way, I love that gun. When he shows up firing that magnum and does not care the fact that he would have to reload by now. And like the fact that everything just falls, like, rarely do you see Bond lay waste so easily with one bullet. But I do like that they're really going for it with the magnet.

Except for the one guy who comes out him with the sword and he shoots him the shoulder and then has to shoot the guy again. But that's weird because he shoots him in the shoulder. and he just recoils a little. Then that second one, he gets blown back. The second one lays him out. Yeah. I feel like that's another thing they're going, like, let's differentiate from Connery here.

Let's give you a big American gun. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's probably in the culture, it was after Dirty Harry. Yeah, right. So when he gives a whole speech about the fucking gun. So people are thinking about that.

Yeah. Is this one of the Bond films that takes the place the most in the United States? Like, which one is the most? Goldfinger. Well, you know what? Yeah, it depends if the island, if Canangas Island is part of the U.S. territories or not. Yeah, I don't think so. But this is, yeah, probably more than Goldfinger.

Licensed to Kill, too. Because Goldfinger starts in England and Austria, yeah. But Florida, it's got Florida and Kentucky. Licensed to Kill has a lot of Florida in it. View to A Kill has lots of San Francisco, but just at the end. This one's Harlem, New Orleans. No, not just at the end. I think Vue to A Kill is it, right?

Because when he goes to visit Zorn, his estate is. like in Southern California, right? The whole... No, that's France. I thought he had it built... No, that's Moonwraker. Oh, God. Sorry, I've got my... Mother's not express.

I've got my Versailles, like, estates, mixed up. Sure. I got another gloft for you guys. And the Moonraker one, he built in California. Yes. But he had imported. So that movie has a lot of California in it, too. I mean, there's a good... Theoretically, yeah. Two scenes.

And then, of course, the whole... whole middle of that movie takes place at the Venetian in Las Vegas, right? Yeah. The gondolas. Yeah. I have a gloft for you. Let's hear it. For some reason, Clifton James is padded in this movie. Right. He's apparently not as fat as they needed him to be, and he's just got these thick. You can see it when he kind of moves around. It's not like a human belly. Check it out. Also, by the way, this is the movie, though. where we need Q.

Because I need someone to explain this shark pellet to me. I need someone to explain this. Yeah, he said pull the pin at one point. Balloon-inducing pellet. Do you have to prime that bullet before you put it in the gun, and that's what he does before he puts it in Cananga? I think so. I think so, yeah.

That's weird. But it's like, I just, like, I would like a short three minutes, two-minute scene. A little bit of a... Well, that's what you get in that exposition of this weapon. It's so interesting. Tell me what it is. But I just want him to do it. I want to do it in the field.

I want him to show up at the... Standard issue shock. At the ladies and gentlemen, like at that thing, like at that show, I want him to be there. You know, now that I think about it, like, that's literally a cue scene where he's like, tell me how it works. And then they try it out on an assistant who gets, you know, made a fool of. Yeah. That's right out of the Q scenes. Yeah.

I think that it would have been hilarious had he said Mr. Bond. Oh, Mrs. Bond is already here. And he goes in and it's Desmond Lewellyn in a wig. I would love that. I can't disagree. Listen here, 007. I can't be putting on those hands.

When the boats go through the wedding in the bayou, and the bride cries, right at the end before they cut, the groom smiles. Like, I like that. Like, hell yeah. I never noticed that before. But, like, that's a good,

that's a fun director choice to be like, you're dude, you love this boat situation. Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty fun. What else we got? Let's see, boat chase and then big showdown. Yes.

Okay. Now, the, because there's also the sawblade. Like, there's so many gadgets. It just appears. It's the most gadgets, considering that there's no cue. It might even have the most gadgets of any Bond movie. Who is he, like, Morse coding with his shoe brush? The man who shows my hairbrush.

Oh, right. Shares my shoe. shoebrush, too. That's a joke that's just for like Bond and us. No, no, it's only for Bond. Like, that's literally he says that only for him.

Well, I think we're supposed to get it. No, no, we're not there. We're not there. Wait, what? I just feel like James Bond does so many jokes that are in, just like, if you're in the world of Bond. What's the joke?

Shares a hairbrush. How is she supposed to know that the activation, this communicates with quarrel? Oh, I always took that to me, first of all, is that a hairbrush? I feel like that's a shoe shining buff. No, because when he checks into the hotel,

he's SOSing somebody. He's SOSing. He's Morskoding somebody. Oh, I always took this to mean that we are so close that we literally share a hairbrush. Like, I would let him borrow my hairbrush. It's a callback to a confusing scene

that happened earlier. Yes. Is that right? Whoa. Yeah. Matt. That's a hair, I guess that is an old-time hairbrush?

Yeah. Budding experts. But is that, I'm sure that's not an expression? My dad had hairbrushes. Oh, totally. Like those like, just like, it was the palm of your hand. It looks like it's for a dog or a horse.

Yeah. But I feel like that's an old expression. You know what I back? I guarantee you James Bond Lifestyle has that hairbrush. Uh-huh. A link to purchase that hairbrush. Boy, I hope they get click-through sales over there. Did you look at that side today?

Isn't that a thing? No. They put out some new stuff or is it? You have to be close enough to share you. No. No. Google that term and it will only come up in reference to live and lit. That is the first thing it comes up.

DB5 from 1964 is on sale. God, how much. They won't say. You have to contact the seller. And it, like, has a smokescreen thing. And, yeah, it's tricked out. What I want that? Yes.

Yes. I had to, like, for a second, I was like, well, I'd never drive it anywhere. I'm like, yeah, I would drive it. I would drive it. I mean, if it drives, I'd drive it. There's another thing happening this weekend that you sent me that we talked about last week. So I'm going to force it into our conversation. Let's do it. Next episode.

Okay. All right. when Cananga balloon finally happens Never occurred to me before too But everybody would be just covered with blood and flesh Yeah, it's completely dry It's the driest explosion It's the driest explosion

Ever Here's my grail for this movie The native film footage of that explosion Because you can tell Like there's a cut where they're blown up On a section of the film frame Or it's like the grain The grain is the size of cornflakes

I would love to see what that looked like On set because they were cutting around some stuff in that film. And yeah, it is the least money explosion ever. Why did they do that? It just, maybe it looked really shitty. Oh, I'm sure. Yeah.

They were polishing a turret at that moment. Because it's also clearly sped up. Yeah. Yeah. Do you still firmly believe this is the worst moment in a franchise? I certainly believe it's worse than the pigeon double take. Again, my defense is, that's intentional comedy. this is meant to be a hugely dramatic and climactic moment

and it takes all the piss out of it. Shouldn't you have been torn apart by sharks? Okay, sure. But here's, again, my defense of Pigeon Double Tick being crazier is that they had to sit there in the edit bay and make the decision to run it back three times. Yeah. And that John Glenn was like, this is going to be hilarious.

Coming on the heels of that damn... Pigeon doesn't give a shit. Hovercraft gondola. He doesn't give a shit about this condoling. The pigeon doesn't care. So you say it's a more egregious bad moment than the Cananga balloon. I do because I don't like the realm of possibility for me. Like you...

James Bond, we buy his gadgets, you know, as un- as impossible as some of them may actually be, like, to fit the mechanisms of a grappling hook. I got no problem with the gadget. Right. Okay. Okay. But like, so I buy, I buy, there's a world where James Bond has a gadget that does

that. I buy that. Let me ask you this. We can at least agree that both things take you out of the film a little bit, right? So I would argue that it's more of a shock to be taken out of this moment the climax an important ending of live and let die than it is to be taken out of the moment where Roger Moore is driving a gondola hovercraft through the streets of Venice and people are going ooh okay oh it's how I will agree with you yeah we'll give you this that moment the cananga balloon

is more detrimental to the film that's my whole point it is more detrimental to the film than the pigeon double take however uh-huh I will say this the pigeon double-take take is more bad shit crazy to me. Here's a very big distinction between the two. One is premeditated. Like if this was murder, that's first degree murder. And the cananga balloon is manslaughter. It's true.

They didn't mean for it to be ridiculous. On paper, the cananga balloon is probably awesome. And they just kind of like, oh, this is as good as it's going to go. Harry, what do you want to do? He's like, oh, fuck it. I'm out of here. Do what you want. Blow up the frame.

Whereas they had so many opportunities. Like a lot of people got behind. I guarantee you someone said, what if they move their head a third time? But I can make an argument that Canangabaloon is premeditated. I know the effect being bad was not premeditated, but from an early stage, they had to see, the thing happened in post-production where they're like, oh, let's do this, it's a lark. They had to build, design, make a man in flate, shoot it, and then try to fix it in post. And that's a lot of, that's a conspiracy, friends.

But had they, but let me ask you this. It's a conspiracy to cover something up. This is a plot. This is just pure plotting to destroy the audience. Well, where do you fall in, listeners? Hashtag Canangga balloon or hashtag Pigeon Double Take. And Matt, how could they really voice their support? Well, Matt, if they go to Podswag.com and forward slash that with a bonding,

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Yeah, I think it's actually Podswaggs, slash bond. Buckle up everybody. It's podswagg.com forward slash bond. Right. Does Michael J. Willison read on the shirt? Yes. Can you make them out?

Yeah. It's amazing. It's so tiny, but it's there. All right. It's almost time to rate this film. Anything else you guys got? Jane Seymour, great job. Yeah.

Jeffrey Holder. Great job. I love it. Jeffrey Holder, great job. He's so good in this. Mankow would said if he'd known that Holder was playing that character, he would have written more scenes for him.

which I thought was cool. Yeah. You know, like definitely recognizing that. There's that one thing where he is overdubbed. I think it's when Bond, when they're walking in and he's in the show. And he's just doing these like inaudible whispers between laugh punctuations. And it's like, abutisikidabata. And then he does it again at the end when he's getting the sword.

Yeah. He's like singing to himself. It's creepy. I love it. Oh, he's so good. On the, on the, on the, on the, uh, blasphilation tip, there was something interesting that I read where Harry and Cubby, noticed that there were, in movie theaters at that time, there was a line of people going to see the

white movies and a line of people going to see the black movies. And they said, what if we put them all in one line? That's brilliant. I thought it's beautiful. And beautiful. Yeah. They had good intentions with that. That on the heels of the like this won't play in the South. Who cares it won't play in the South? There's an argument who cares. They didn't want to make the most money. They're doing the right thing. Speaking of do the right thing. You know who else did a great job Bernard Lee. He did a great job being in this movie,

even though he clearly didn't want to be there. I think this is the movie. He does, he seems like he does, has no desire to be here. That's right. You know, I feel like when they start their performances,

there's room for different things to happen, but by the time you get to like a six or seventh movies, your performance is kind of ossified into a certain thing. And he was just like, I don't like Bond. You know, there's no nuance left. Oh, that's sort of where he was coming at from.

Yeah. Bond annoys me. Yeah. And that's sort of, you know, something that kind of got boiled down from a lot more interesting interactions. Right. Over the years. That's true.

But I maintain, and I've always said that every Bond guy's first performance tends to be their best. And I think Roger Moore is super engaged and energetic here. I know you guys love his later stuff. Yes, we do. No, I think you're right. I think this is his best performance. That's probably true.

This is the most engaged you will see. Yeah, that is very interesting. You'd think like your sophomore or third effort would be where you really really. settle in. They get comfortable. They get a little bored sometimes. And that sort of feeds into the whole stereotype of Bond as this sort of like too cool for the room, unflappable guy. Yeah. But when you look at their eyes and each, like Dr. No, Casino Royale, this one, maybe not lazy to be. But they're just, they're in there in a way that they kind of aren't ever again. It's in the same way that they bond would be on a mission. Like they're staying alert because this

is their first film and they've got to deliver. Yeah. Yeah, that's fascinating. All right, let's rate this some bitch. All right, we're rating this film on the James Bonding scale of 000-0 to a 007. We've given out no triple-O's. No triple-o's. We've given a triple 0.5. Have you done a 007?

No. Me either. What got a 0.5? Well, we did casino, the 1967. Oh, right, right. That was a great listen, by the way. Yeah. It's real dumb.

I'm going to go 206. I love this movie. Wow. Yeah. It's in my top five. I'm going to go probably. I was going to go a little less than that, but. Oh, you do you?

I know. I'm going to put it at a double 05.5 for the absence of Desmond Lou Ellen. Oh, that's fair. Phil is exactly correct. Yeah, I was close to that myself. I understand it, but I'm glad I'm bringing the average up a little bit. There's a couple ways that I have to look at this, right? The rating system, are we coming at this rating system as the way I rate the, when I do the Star Trek podcast,

The way I rate them is I go, it's zero to 10, but the higher it gets is the more I'm likely to be flipping the channels, see it, and continue watching it through commercial breaks. Sure. That's like, once you get past, like, it's because it's one to 10, after a five, I will stick through one commercial break and two, three, four, so on, so forth. So with this James Bond. You're asking like, are we doing that like all of us had thought of that method? Well, no, the James Bond would. I'm just explaining sort of my rating standpoint. for this. So like a three and a half is the one that I will watch through one commercial break.

So when I'm talking of 5.5 guys, you're getting two, maybe three commercial breaks. And then you turn? Oh, for me, it's purely how much I enjoy it. Not even if it's objectively a good or a bad film. It's just subjectively personally do I like it. What did we give you to a kill? Because we should have given that a seven. Well, no, I think I gave it a six or a six point five, something like that. But I mean, I do want to leave room for the best to be the best. But quite frankly, I'm never, if I'm flipping the channels and view to Akilaz on, I'm watching nothing else that time.

Fair enough. Yeah. Same. Do you find yourself, like, if you happen upon something with commercials, you're not just going to put your iTunes version on? I'll do that sometimes. Yeah. No, I always watch the commercial one and I don't, like, without fail and here's why. I feel like it's somehow more exciting.

It's a shared experience. It's not to be missed. People in the world are watching it in the same time as me. Wow. And that somehow really has a draw for me. Sure. Like, if those movies are on TV, if it's, feels like an event. It's still like the holdover from the ABC thing. I guess here's my,

here's a question for you guys and we might not know this because we're not experts, we're lovers. Um, but do they ever do the television cuts for these movies that have different scenes in them? Added scenes or less? It could be just different because sometimes when you watch Jaws with commercials, you'll have the music store scene. Yeah, Halloween has they reshot stuff for TV. Yeah. Aliens as well. Um, and because I don't think there's a legendary. and someone recreated it on YouTube there's a legendary recut of Honor Her Majesty Secret Service for television

and you guys should find that. I'll help you find it. What's different about it? I believe there's narration. What? Yeah, it's not good. It's, uh, who does the narration? John Connery.

I can't remember. I can't remember. I hate to leave you with like this not helpful bit of tribute. No, it's a trail that our listeners can follow. Yeah, you know what we should do? We should talk about it last week. Yeah, let's talk about it last week.

So listen to last week. last week's episode. So, Matt, I picked live and let die, which means it is your turn to choose a film. I'm a little bit at a loss here because let's see, we've only got one Connery left, Dr. No. We've got two Craigs, but we've spoken about those off mic a little bit, which leaves us just with Spy Who Love Me and Four Your Eyes Only in the Moore era, right? Yeah. So I feel like I want us to do another more to kind of even up Connery and more.

I'm going to go, as you know, I'm at... I'm heading to Switzerland. I like the theme of the snow. We're still a little bit in the colder part of the year. Let's go with four your eyes only. Because last time we saved that till the end, let's get that one in now and enjoy some Lake Placid or whatever that other way. I'm excited to just see some good, classy figure skating guys.

Sure, sure. And skiing. And shooting. Where are they? In France? Where are they in that? No, aren't they in Lake Placet? I feel like they're in an American...

Why did I say Lake Placid, too? Oh, probably because the Lake Placet Olympic Was it at 19 to 80. I don't know what the fuck is that? Guys. Is it Belcher? No. Lover's not experts.

We'll find out. Tune in next week to figure out if we know where they are. Tune in two weeks. Because James Bonding will return. James Bonding podcast. James Bonding Podcast. James Bond King Podcast. James Bond King Podcast.

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