James Bonding - Moonraker with Bobak Ferdowsi and James Bladon

Episode Date: November 15, 2023

Space James Bond calls for space James Bonding guests. Actual beloved Nasa scientist Bobak Ferdowsi and actual beloved return guest Jimmy Blades join the boys to go over the moon for 007! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Anyway, here's the show. Welcome, everybody, to James Bonning. My name is Matt. My name is also Matt, and we are joined by two of your favorites. Well, one of your favorites and one of your newest favorites. That's right. He's somehow never been on this program. I know, but it's a fitting night to have him on because, well, I mean, let's just get into who these people are first.

All right. Well, we all know James. James Blayton's here. Thank you, James. So much for being here. I'm not going to let you talk. Ba'a Beck Ferdowsy is here. Ba'a Beck.

Welcome. Oh, I get a talk. Thank you. Yes. Of course you get to talk. You cannot talk this entire time. James, I'm sorry. I'm just here to observe, Matt.

So. James, you're one of my favorites. I love when Matt said, can James come on? I was like, of course. What are you stupid? Amazing. Anyway. Thank you, Matt.

Well, you guys both suffered through this movie for us. Yeah. This is no small task. We really appreciate it. And Bobbick, I'm especially excited you're here because I feel like you bring some professional cred with your insights here. Tell people a bit about yourself and why you're so uniquely qualified to take this movie to task if that is the case. If you need to, you may be in full support. Well, one, I'm wearing a space shuttle t-shirt. This is a so. That's number one.

I think that's, you know that I obviously like space shuttles. Two, I just thought you liked t-shirts. I do, I also like t-shirts. But two, I also, my day job is at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory. I work on robotic spacecraft to explore the solar system. So I've put things on Mars. You literally have put things on Mars. Literally put things on Mars. This is no exaggeration. I worked on spacecraft at Saturn.

Now I work on one to Europa, Jupiter's Moon, and one that's going to Earth. That's not as exciting, but it's going to be around Earth. It's going to Earth, but it's presumably originating from Earth, too. You're going to put it further away from the place you needed to be? It's going to be higher up. This is weird. So you think of the Earth as a big flat kind of object. As it is.

Right. And you put it higher than that. It can look down and see all of it. But it's truly flat. Yeah. That's right. But it's also worth mentioning the one going to Europa is presumably searching for some of the best odds of extraterrestrial life. Yeah.

Right. So with Europa, it's looking for habitability. So the question we're trying to answer before we get to life, which I think we're still really optimistic we'll get to, is. could Europa be a place where life could survive? And we're finding a lot of those places in the Solarisism, which is cool. And James, what are you working on? Well, I'm working on a project for Io,

which is a sister project of the Europa project. Because I was told, it's my understanding, according to 2010, that we should be avoiding Europa, leaving that one free for the life that is there alive now. Am I correct on this, probably? I have heard that as well. So here's the thing. thing, you are correct, but you're not supposed to have that information.

Oh, right. Okay. Can we get that out? Iowa's great, though. What a cool moon. I mean, you know, I'm more of a Ganymede guy myself, but, you know. Titan? Titan.

Oh, wow. You're just a fan of the movie. Is that where Saturn? Is Titan Saturn Saturn? It is Saturn. Yeah. Okay. I like the Titan because that's the name of Riker's ship after he gets the Titan.

Right. Well, regardless of our favorite, you know, satellites and moons, we have a special moon that we're here. We're gathered here tonight to talk about, and that's our very own moon. Wait, I have a quick question, and this has always bothered me. A moon is a generic term for a satellite. Yeah. But our moon is just called moon? The moon. The moon. What, really? That's the official name? I still feel it needs a proper noun. Isn't it, I think Luna. Luna? Luna? Yeah. Okay, yeah. All right. But why don't we call it Luna?

Because we don't have a second moon. But doesn't Luna just mean moon? Yes. So is it just turning it to a different language doesn't particularly give it its own name? Why is Earth like Taron? There's so many questions I have. Well, but that I think is a similar thing too. It's land.

It's like Latin for land in some way or something. Well, isn't it in the Bible that... Oh, boy. Here we go. Guys, hear me out. I want to tell you, Matt, there's good news you need to hear about. James. See, the real reason we wanted you both here was science versus religious.

I forgot to tell you James is a youth pastor. Yeah, but I also run the... James is a youth pastor in Calabasasas. It's good Bieber going there. It's great. That's right. We're putting on a few shows right now, actually. Put the word out.

Get the word out. So the moon, Luna, the moon, and its raking. is why we're here tonight. Have we figured out the raker part of Moon Raker? Well, that was just the name of the missile from the novel. Yeah, but no intent on like no explanation for me in Fleming as to why it was called Moon Raker.

I don't know, but it's the coolest name I can ever think of Moon Raker. It just scrapes the moon on its way in a trajectory or something. Oh. Bob, X, this is your first time on the skimmer. Yeah, moon skimmer. Since it's your first time on the program,

we like to ask everybody what their life obsession with James Bond is if they have one what their first movie was how they fell into it so my first is golden eye first you ever saw

yeah at first I recall the guy like to say don't bother well I mean like my I think right I feel like Bond is typically like

inherited from the father sort of to the yeah it's past down yeah it's passed down yeah and my dad growing up in Iran probably wasn't like a huge James Bond fan.

If that, if that was a thing. So I'm pretty sure it's golden eye. I mean, I definitely, and then I feel like after that it comes to the Spike TV, James Bond marathons in college. A lot of those. Yeah. And then those overly expensive like DVD Blu-ray collections, like $200 a pop. And I was like, yes.

Yeah. I need each format. Well, the secret is wait, wait a year. And there'll be $40. Sure. Yeah. I've never waited a year. I've never waited out of that.

I can't do it. I've found I've bought them almost all digitally just to do this thing. Yeah. It's so convenient. Yeah, it is. Well, Moonraker, 1979, the answer to Star Wars. James Bond needs to go to space, but he also needs to go to space via Venice and Rio and wherever else.

Los Angeles. Los Angeles. Oh, God, I got a lot to say about that. Because just to think that this whole third of this movie is unfolding in our backyard right here. In fact, I'm going to get to this right now. Oh, good. We'll go through the film bit by bit.

But when I always watched this in the past, and they mentioned this was Los Angeles, for some reason, I was just thinking they flew north from LAX and it was like, I don't know, Seamy Valley or something where this estate was supposed to be mentioned or located. But they show the helicopter going over downtown L.A. I think you see MacArthur Park in there. So it implies that this thing is either in like the Inland Empire or Orange County or San And then I thought, no, it doesn't seem like they're gone that long. So maybe it's San Gabriel Valley.

Is it supposed to be kind of like a JPL thing? That's what my thought. And he's like a Jack Parsons kind of weirdo. Well, I would, I mean, I think the parallel today, obviously is Elon Musk. Oh, right. I mean, like, private entrepreneur, building out of space program. Today. Yes.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Same number of syllables. But I know. Elon Musk, Musk, Musk, Drak. Hugo Drak. Hmm. There must be something too. Musk and Dax have similar.

kind of plosives. And they both have somewhat indiscernible accents. That's true. That's very true. Wait a second. They're also like kind of spectrumy. I see what you're saying. I love it. Yeah. But I felt. Yeah, because he's into some master race shit that like, you know, when you really put Alistair Crowley into the Jack Parsons mix and the Elron Hubbard thing, you're starting to get some weird correlation. Do you think everybody who's listening to this knows the Jack Parsons bit? Are you just sort of, this is a common knowledge? I guess not. But I don't. I don't. even know that I fully know. I don't know it either entirely. What I've, so early days, and there are people who call JPL Jack Parsons Laboratory, but early days of the rocket program was done at Caltech with a mix of students and kind of just, I don't know, aficionados, you know, amateurs, they blew up enough stuff around campus. I guess they were asked to leave and they went to the Arroyo where JPL is today. And they,

kind of started working on perfecting the liquid motor rocket. The kind of the, you know, the main engines for, I guess, the moon right here would have been. Now, Parsons, yeah, his backstory is very, he's like a local Pasadena boy. He apparently is like this good looking kind of charming fellow, works at a mining company. I think he's good at chemistry. Like, he's good with kind of explosions and chemistry. And the story starts out weird because he marries and then they have Like they go to a unique church, I guess, is how I would describe it, where the pastor or whatever religious figure lead encourages him to sleep with his wife's sister while the pastor sleeps with his wife. I think that's the story. Classic cult behavior.

James, I think you can speak to this. I don't encourage it vocally. Just physically. basically. It's mostly with hand gestures. And a little, huh? Yeah. Hey? Ha? And then he gets kicked out of that rocket program. I mean, this is pre, obviously, like a laboratory existing. He gets kicked out as they want to make it in a more official kind of, you know, place that, you know, an official science laboratory that, you know,

at this point, a military organization is going to inherit. So he gets kicked out. And I think that's about the point where he becomes BFFs with Elron Hubbard, who, including encourages him to go down to the arroyo and jerk off into the dirt. There's that, they'll get into the occult for sure, but also to like invest in a yacht company where the idea was just to take yachts and sell them at like a higher price, but gets, we buy these yachts for $100,000. We can sell them for $101,000. Classic yachting scheme.

Oh my God. So Hubbard runs off with the money and the wife, I think, of Parsons. leaving him back in Pasadena, mixing explosive for power techniques. To the point where he blows himself up, right? He blows himself up, yeah, in his garage. Yeah, wow. You know, just like Hugo Drax. It's a normal LA story.

So when did he record Eye in the Sky? It's going to be a great Amazon series someday. This is going to be a great podcast tonight. I'm excited. We haven't even begun. Moonraker. We start with the shuttle being stolen off the back of its, carrier plane.

I just, that idea, yeah. Even before that, how did they get, I mean, the first guy in orbit is the director of the film. How do they,

they bring John Glenn from NASA. Yeah, no, John Glenn. He's just the editor. He was, he was the editor of the movie. Lewis Gilbert's the director. But you're right,

he is the astronaut. He is the astronaut. No. Okay. Right. No, it's just the same name. Okay. Yes.

I was going to say, that was smart thinking. to have him edit it. They couldn't get Neil Armstrong. It was Lewis Gilbert. Lewis Gilbert. Louis Gilbert. In sort of an anticipatory nod to the main characters from Revenge of the Nerds, Lewis and Gilbert.

That's right. And Sullivan. And so, yeah. Okay, I'm sorry. Go ahead. You say... Well, we're just starting off with this great sequence that is trademark of Lewis Gilbert's James Bonds, and that's just a big vehicle getting.

being stolen. Yeah. You've got the space capsule and you only live twice and the big submarine in SpyHoula. Now, here's my first question. Yeah. Who steals the Moonraker? I don't know, but every time they pop out of those little cubby holes, I'm always surprised to see they're wearing what they're wearing.

I just don't expect them to be wearing like cool French guy leather jackets and jeans. Like that's not shuttle stealing wardrobe, is it, right? No. And why are the stow away electronic opening cubbies standard on all moon rakers now? Places with little padded seats where you can easily stow away. I would have assumed that's for the following, right, the master race to be in there when they need to go. But these were ostensibly made for the military, right? These, the Drax was not intending on keeping this one.

Right. Wasn't he? No. because he says later, he said, why did you steal this one? Oh, because mine went bad. It had a problem, so I had to get this one back. So this was going over to England, right? Here's what I don't understand.

What kind of a time crunch is Drax under for this master race situation? That he couldn't just wait until it made another one. I'll tell you what, because it's the only time in human history that the weather conditions were perfect around the globe for a bunch of shuttles to launch simultaneously. For six shuttles to take off. Yeah. I saw Geostorm and I know that's not true. Just any position of authority from just having watched Geostorm is wonderful. It's like the equivalent is that like we're watching a movie where where Musk needs to steal a working model three.

Right, right. Instead of just waiting for them to build another one that works. Yeah. But I guess it would take years to build. I guess he's been working on this for years. years upon years. Well, he must have been if it's a master race. It does seem really rushed, though. I agree. Like, there's just, and the problem isn't solvable. Like, oh, it's got a problem. And you're just not going to fix it. Right.

And it's easier to steal one. You're telling me there. Is he just given one shuttle out to, otherwise he's secretly built these other shuttles, but five other ones, right? No, at least five. At least six total, right? He had to, six total. That's what I'm saying. Five other ones. And one to, and one that's been on the back of a seven 47. Well, so seven total because it's bad one. Yeah. And also what, what are the English going to do with the shuttle? Eight total, because that's what the space marines are riding.

Oh, right. There's space marines. Oh, I forgot. Yeah, that's right. But I do, like, what would the British be doing with that? I know. Well, I thought they were just transporting it. They were, it was on loan.

To. It was on loan for the United States. Right. And the British were going to do what with it? Right. Also, why were the pilots British? Wouldn't the Americans fly their shuttle to, you? Yeah.

Hey, listen, you guys can borrow this, but we're not flying it. You got to get your own guys over. You guys are good at show first. You can have this TV, but you got to pick it up. I don't want to. Local pickup only will not ship. And they don't bolt them down. It's just a handle, one handle away from being disconnected.

Well, that's science. Yeah. Okay. It's just a little ball joint. And they just sit up right on top of it. Yeah. It's like a bobby pin that's stuck in there. Pull that, good to go.

You're good to take the shuttle off. All right. Off the back of the 747. But for the opening of a James Bond movie, you could do worse. It's not bad. You could. You could. But then you go right in from this into an exciting and never before seen to this extent.

Skydiving, free fall sequence. Shot midair. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty thrilling. I had to, like, I jumped back and watched it a couple times just to. Just for that line. Just so I could know where the hell Jaws came from?

That is a question. It's like, what? Wait. It was a toilet. Yeah, he had to be. He had to be. Why? Or the cockpit.

Why? Yeah, he's not the most stealthy. It's like, why are they, what, who is, who is killing James Bond? Who wants to kill James Bond right here? Yeah, what's the story of this thing? What is that, right? How is it that Jaws is actually working for Drak? So what you're telling me is that DRAX is assumed that once I steal this shuttle,

they're going to send James Bond after me. I need you to go find. James Bond and kill him, but I don't want you to shoot him in the face. Wait, I don't think this first thing's related to Drax. How does Jaws end up working for you? Because the Chang, because the Chang dies and that's when they hire Jaws. Isn't he on a phone call saying like, well, if we can get him, let's get him. Jaws is clearly like a top dollar freelance henchman.

We've covered this before. But he's only, he's failed every time we've ever seen him do any. He literally has. But he hasn't died. You know what I mean? And he's got a good gimmick, so he's probably his, you know, he's more, Obviously, he might have died, Addyna flapped his hands. That slows him down a little bit.

He not flapped his arms, so he would be dead. Well, right. So the idea is that Jaws is just what? He's on spec. But also, like, did Jaws, like, hire out two other assassin people to do the job for him? He's like, I'll wait in the bathroom in case you can't do it. They're like, we can, we'll take him on the flight, we'll get him up there, we'll put on our parachutes, we'll get him to the door. You have to push him out.

Is that what it is? because it seems ridiculous. It's also like what is the point of shooting the instrument panel of the plane? Right. By the way, I don't really think that would make the plane go crazy. I think it would just ruin the instruments. Right. Unless it was like they had an autopilot on or something.

And then they're shooting it, and the autopilot turns off, so now it starts to dive down. You mean as opposed to just shooting bond? Right. Well, that's the age old question. That's always the question. Why not kill him? When it's so blatant, when you're, you're, you're, bringing me into this in a cold open where there's a woman with a gun,

there's obviously a guy in the cockpit who's in on this too, and a guy in the bathroom, and they're on a private jet that they're going to just throw the money away and just destroy a private jet. And no one had to go to the bathroom prior to this? Or it was always like, knock, knock, knock. Well, as we know. Maybe they were just, we don't know how long ago

because she says any higher and my ears will pop, and I'm assuming they're still climbing. Right. Okay. So it has nothing to do with where his hand is. He is yet to be able to turn on his cell phone. Good point. Yeah.

Good point. All right. Glad that's settled. It's a great stunt, though. Yeah, I mean, but was Jaws needed in that scene at all? Not really. He was not. I think the audience just needed to be reminded.

It's fans. Yeah. To be reminded he existed. But at this point, he's not working for Drex. I think that's the important thing to remember. You're right, though, they probably should have put him just where he comes in in the second part. Yeah, that would have been a much better reveal. Yeah.

He's unnecessary. necessary in that. You could have either of those people who tried to kill Bond to end up in a circus tent also would have been funny. But it did make me think, though, that if you'd just seen Spy Who Love Me before this, everybody remembers Jaws in that movie, you're in the theater and all the shit's going on and then up pops Jaws. I bet you the crowd went crazy. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. All right. That's probably true. That's settled. Well, if that didn't do it, the slow-moving Shirley Bassie Torch song, Moonwaker, sure will. Right. is a pretty bad song. It's the least memorable James Bond sign. Oh, I love it.

I love it. I love it. Oh, no. I'm with you. Oh. Yeah, I don't like it because it sounds very Broadway to me. What's not to like? Oh, I love it.

The beginning of it sounds to me like it's a Sondheim reject from like Sweeney Todd or something like that. It sounds very much like a Broadway show, which was written partially by Hal David, right? Who is a Broadway dude? Yeah. And it sounds cheesy Broadway to me. Do you feel that way about Diamonds or Forever?

Did he write that as well? I think so. No, I don't. No, I guess I don't. These songs are sort of like in the same vein to me. I feel like, yeah, this is like the last Shirley song that you get. And it's got the triangles so you know you're in space. The triangle equal space?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's not space. That's what it is. Thank you, Bob. I had no idea. All right. Sure. Now it's better.

Where are you? Why do you hide? Yeah. It makes no sense. But it's just like so... I think the problem for me with the moon raker of it all is when Shirley Bassie opens her mouth for a chorus and you have that amount of syllables,

I just want to hear it go gold finger. Like, I want to go moon raker. I don't have been so thrilled. How about just like the gold finger goes? Nope. No. Moon raker. Wider than a mile.

That's where I would go. Yeah. Well, all right. So there's some disagreement over the song. Right, but the title sequence does tie in a lot to what we just saw, probably more than almost anything, because there are actual acrobatts in a circus. And then the women flipping around actually ties into the Mardi Gras. That's kind of a brilliant point. Yeah.

That is brilliant. We've never started in a circus before. So the women flipping around doing things has never made sense. That's true. Yeah. Thank you, James. Thank you, James. I'm done.

You are excused. All right. So, Bernard Lee, looking like this is his last movie. It is his last. I know. I know. It is. But I love him.

Q says again with a fine, I'm going to say it my way first, with a fine tooth comb. But he says again with a fine tooth comb. And what throws me off about that emphasis is that when I'm emphasizing it the way normal, people do, and that is a fine tooth comb, it means the comb has fine teeth. But when you say a fine tooth comb, it means I have a comb just for teeth. A fine tooth comb. Yeah. And it means he brushes his teeth. My oh my. That is a fine tooth comb you got over there. Does he mean a toothbrush? Or does he mean he has like a tined comb that he straightens his teeth with a with a comb? I think it's either that. Or it's just his generation, which you

to emphasize the wrong words. Like we get. In old movies, they would say, not just British, but in old movies, they would say, like, let's take him back to headquarters. Or he's a boy scout. They would do, they would emphasize the exact wrong word, and I think he's of that generation.

A fine tooth comb. But before it became, like when they were just trying phrases out, they accidentally would, we evolved later. Because this is long enough ago. They were just, like, I wonder when, I want to look at the edymone. of that. The etymology of fine-toothed comb?

Yeah. As an expression. Isn't it from space balls when they combed the desert? It's from spacebole. They have giant combs, remember? Yeah. Yeah. Because isn't it also fine-toothed comb?

Hmm. I don't know. I don't think I would say it, though. I think the, yeah, the phrase is still. With a fine-toothed comb. The police. Hmm. The ramblings of a man in this a fire.

jacket. I'm wearing, by the way, I'm wearing a Moonraker Safari jacket that Phil Nobile gave me, and it's glorious. It's just like the one in the moon. No, you're not, Matt. You're wearing a T-shirt. No, I am. You can't prove it. You guys talk.

All right, Will, this is an audio. Well, I'm happy to talk about the fact that why is it so, why is MoneyPenny so incredulous to hear that James Bond fell out of a plane without a parachute? She's aware of most of his missions. Right.

All the things that happened to him. Right. Is this so unbelievable? That's a good question. And also, why does he take umbrage with the fact that she doesn't believe him? Yeah. Yeah. I mean,

you'd think she'd be used to that kind of, you know, when he comes in, she's sort of like, she's like, James seems surprised. And then like, you're really late.

Yeah. So which was it? Yeah. Did you expect him? Or not? Were you expecting him earlier? Yeah. Or,

I mean, it's just, Matt, why is that? She's got more of a, were very curly hair in this. It's kind of like, And everyone's getting on in years here.

Yeah. Yeah. This is the first movie where the supporting cast is showing that they've been supporting for quite a while. Right. Let's talk about Q's hands, Matt. Oh, okay. I have the Q's Hand report.

Yeah. If you're just tuning in. I'd like to know just how big Q's hands are here. Golden Eyes the baseline because it's the first movie we did in this series where I noticed the enormity of Q's hands. Now, here's an interesting thing. In this movie, I find Q's hands to be a golden eye minus three, which is not to say they're not huge.

They are. I have to agree with this. But the extraordinary thing are his fingernails are a golden eye plus seven. They are incredibly long. I have never seen someone so inaccurate with a pointer. Do you know why? It takes him so long to hit the moment. magnet that lifts the thing. Oh, okay. I was thinking you thought he was trying to point to the center of the

screen. He's clearly trying to trigger. Wait, you think that was practical that he's actually opening it? I think so. I think he's supposed to like touching some button in the corner. I do think he's in the script, yes, but there's a guy back there behind there opening it. Oh yeah. It's not really. Yeah, so why does he have to be accurate at all? It could be anywhere. But that just makes it even crazier. Right. So why does he care? Is he that method that he, I know, he picked a spot that he needs to hit? Shouldn't he be stabbing it front on. Instead, he just kind of lays it on. He kind of like waffes it down to the corner of the painting. Like he's dubbing it like a night. Yeah. Yeah. And it's also like, why does that have to be a secret monitor? Why is, why is the head of the British secret service? Why can't he have a monitor in his office? Yeah, it doesn't need to be hidden. I think it's a good point. It just like it looks like beautiful, uh, decorative things in the daytime. That's right. He's not distracted. That makes sense. They didn't have the old LED wallpaper displays. He doesn't want that. He doesn't want that. But it makes less sense they would have a mirror that high up on the wall. I just really want to check out the top four inches of my head.

Now, okay, here's my next problem with the same. You got a big forehead? Oh, there's so much happening. And this is like when, this is when Desmond Le Welland is fully committed to combing over. Yeah, that's true. It's a straight ladder. Well, is there a baseline for comb over? We'll say it's golden eye.

Yeah, okay. On the comb over scale. This one might be your baseline. This is the most. This has to be it, right? This is the baseline. So from now on, all of Desmond the Welland's hair will be rated as a moonraker plus or minus. Okay.

Okay. Welcome, everybody. This is Moonraker plus or minus zero. Okay. This is the baseline. Yeah. I now want to discuss the standard issue wrist gun. Love it.

Right. Love it. Which I'm looking at it. He's like, and I'm just thinking to myself, all right, do you take off your watch and put that on? No, no, no. You look like a maniac with two steel bracelets on. And putting it on your other hand. Who hasn't been there?

When you get a Fitbit and you're like, what do I do? Do I wear a watch and a Fitbit? We all have gone through that dilemma. It's tough. But here's the problem with that, right? So Fitbit, they ask you to put it on your non-dominant hand. That's where a watch goes. You wear a watch on your non-dominant hand.

So then if you're going to go Fitbit and watch like a crazy person. God forbid you have a Livestrong bracelet. Oh, Mike. We don't do that anymore. That's right. Okay. We don't talk about it. Live weak, die strong.

Okay, so here's the thing. It's a ridiculous item to carry around. I mean, sure, you're not having to go through metal detectors at that point in time, because airports, you just... They were not guarded in that way. Right on. Right. No problem.

You have your wrist dart thing. But also, I'm just a little bothered that he's not wearing it in every scene. Only when it's convenient. Yeah. And if it's activated by nerves in your wrist, it seems like it would be... easily go off accidentally. Do you know how often he's like touching a lady when it's not welcome? I'm sure the nerve in his wrist is popping.

No, you guys are discounting how in control of his nerves he is, as evidenced by Die Another Day when he can control his heartbeat down to dead. That is true. Down to Dead is a better title than Die Another Day, by the way. Down to Dead. I love it. Countdown to Dead. Countdown to death.

Countdown to death. That's good. All right. Let's watch that. But yeah, it's pretty bulky. And when you're designing something that's fake, why not just make it more... Why bother with the theoretical compression chamber that... That would have to be there.

As evidenced by What's Her Face's Little Diary shoots a dart, and it's just a thin little folio. Yeah, well, CIA is probably better than... That's true. That one, that one they went the other way and I didn't see the mechanism at all. No. It looked like just paper. and then all of a sudden a dark comes flying. That mechanism was editing was what that was.

Yeah, exactly. I do like how much Q and M we get in this film. I know. I like when he shoots the horse's ass and M just goes, oh, thank you. That could have been any witty comment, but it was just, oh, thank you. Oh, thank you. Okay, so he's told that they lost the shuttle, that the U.S. government was handing it over for an unknown reason. Yeah.

I don't know if they're going to take measurements. and put it in Madam Tussos, they're going to build a wax one so they had to measure it precisely. The only reason the British would need a space shuttle. Right. I've looked at the British

contributions to space and quite frankly, there's not a lot. Yeah. Yeah. Other than Patrick Stewart, nothing. Other than birthing America

by a revolution to create the space program. Yeah, I see what you're saying. Okay. Yeah. But that's really it. I think they launched a satellite

in, I feel like it was like the early 80s. No, I think then it was the Elliott Carver satellite. the Elliot Carver News settlement

Oh man I wish Hugo Drax is trying to get exclusive broadcast rights in China for 100 years As we know It's the best plot In all of James Bond movies

Okay So he has to go Here's also the part Where I'm like a little confused The shuttle's been stolen Why is the first place You look The place that built the shuttle

That is a good question man I always wonder that too Like where was this thing Where was this diamond mind? That's where I'm going to go to look for the diamond that was stolen. Well, typically, when someone is kidnapped, they go straight to the mother's womb. That's true. Yeah.

It does seem like an odd choice. It's very impractical. Is that it? There's no other reason? Like, they don't suspect drugs. No. There's no suspicion. It's not like, yeah, let's talk to the family of the pilots of the plane or anything

like that. It's like, where was this thing made? Let's go there. I thought maybe this is like a. free internet. They go get some sort of transponder code. I mean, Drax acts for an apology, so maybe they're like, he goes out there to. Yeah, like, I thought, too, it's just like, let's learn more about it. Now, maybe.

Disagree. He's specifically not going to apologize because Drac says, are you here to apologize? He's like, no, the government, U.S. government will get an apology, not you. Yeah, that was a real battle of egos there. Didn't have to happen. Both men were a little charged. Also, I think they, we, we, they went back. to the shot of the dogs with the meat in front of them one too many times. I'm worried about that meat on those old carpets, and not for the meat.

I'm talking like, those have got to be nice old antique carpets, and they've just got just meat juice on them now? Yeah. Well, I feel like the meat has drained out into his silver ladder that he keeps on his meat terrain. Could be like a dry-aged beef. Didn't look like it. I don't think Dax is that worried about the cleaning bill.

No, he's not. I am. I'm not even worried about the bill. I'm worried about... Put yourself in Drax mind. Not goarly mind. The newest thing I've noticed in the movie is the butler that goes out to greet the helicopter that lands. Oh, Cavendish?

Yeah. Cavendish. Oh, no, you're right. There's one bono. It's like he's getting the horses. He just runs towards the helicopter as they go into the home as though he is now, now it's job to park the helicopter where it should be. Yeah, you're right. Dax's like, is like, I never want to see the helicopter move it.

Right. And his job is to then take the helicopter away. Are the keys still in it? Yeah. Do they need water? Okay. So, James Bond goes... So he's at Dax's place.

He goes to Dax's home. Beautiful home, which we have established is somewhere near where JPL is. That's our theory. That's our working theory. But it's been transported... Brick by stone or brick by brick by stone. Yes. Sure.

And then put back together. All the moss is still on it? Mm-hmm. Okay. Yeah. I'm impressed. Best outfit by a villain, I think, in this movie is his pheasant hunting outfit. Oh.

Wait, who? It's Drax's. Drax. The cape? The cape with the gray with the navy lapels. I have never seen a better outfit in my life. And he's got the little ascotty. But that was part of the moments where I was like, oh, that's right.

we're in Los Angeles right now, and there's a bunch of people in English hunting gear flushing out. What California pheasants are they flushing out right now? They fly the, he's so wealthy. Yeah, they stock it out feather by feather from friends. And I'm like, what L.A. weather are they just out in this full tweed? I love it.

But before that, he goes, he doesn't even meet up with, oh, is it, before that scene, though, he meets up with Holly, meets Holly, goodhead, in that very, very, weird office with these like large, they look like Titanic smokestacks. Yeah, yeah. But they're kind of like... They're lights maybe that aren't on. Decor, yeah.

Yeah. And she's... Also, I don't... The other thing I don't understand about Drax's motivations here is look after Mr. Bond see that some harm comes to him. Don't you think if you kill James Bond

after the British government sends him out to find out what happened to your shuttle, they will be sending more people? I think the first attempt to kill him is in the G-Force simulator, which they probably were going to make it seem like an accident. And they're just going to be okay with that? Well, I think that's the price they got to pay. They got to get this guy off their scent. Well, they tried to make the plane crash seem like an accident, too.

Yeah. That didn't work. That's true. All right. And the hunting. They tried to make that seem like an accident. It was an accidental rifle shot. A hunting accident.

When everyone else's suiting shotguns. There'll be no autopsy. It's just he got shot. Although, yeah, then you'd think anyone else could have taken it. Drax could have turned to him and shot him at that point. I'm sorry, this woman was mauled to death by two dogs. It was a horrible accident.

I can control them when they have a big piece of meat in front of them, but I couldn't keep them off this moment. What? We talked about it last time, but that scene is crazy and not from a James. There are a couple moments in this film that are so haunting. It's that the music and the Doberman's chasing her, but also when Jaws comes out of the, Mardi Gras parade towards Manuela in the alley.

And it takes forever and they keep cutting away to another place and coming back and he's barely progressed. And it's really freaky. It's like that clown outfit in general is very disconcerting. It's scary. It's really creepy. I know. It's like the scene in Monty Python, the Holy Grail where they keep cutting back to Sir Lancelot and he's never closer. I know.

I know. But we should talk about Holly Goodhead because this is like, I just love that James Bond is still like a woman doctor. Yeah, but it's like he, she and Drax both went to the same emoting acting school. In other words, a lack of. Yeah, they didn't. They skipped. They skipped that day.

I think, again, this is an ADR issue, that she was probably under energy onset, but then doubled down on that in the ADR thing because it just seems like her, she's basically saying nothing. She seemed drugged the whole time. Yeah. It really reminded me of like an earlier Dr. Christmas Jones. Yes. Yeah, I know.

Yeah, proto Christmas. We'll call her Christmas Eve. Yeah, I would have loved to have seen the woman playing Corinne in that role. I think she's got more life. Yeah. There's more happening there. Or even Manuela. She's got a lot of life.

Well, you know? She did. She didn't die, did she? Yeah, I feel like she's probably dead by now. Really? Wait, wait, who's Manuela again? the Brazilian girl. Oh, right.

She makes it out of that one perilous situation. Yeah. The clown. I mean, knows what's happening off screen, guys. Come on. That's true. Let's get real.

I like Corinne, though. She's very attractive. Yeah. Holly is too. Can Holly fly a helicopter? She's a fully trained astronaut. What do you mean can she fly a helicopter? She's a woman.

That the helicopter attire that she's wearing is like somewhat naval, but also like a deep plunging, which my girl, girlfriend was like, I love all the outfits in this movie. She's like, I would wear all these. Me too. I'm wearing one. Oh, you are. That's not true.

It's a Coors T-shirt. The Drax uniforms at all stages are incredible, whether you are a master-raised person or just a technical astronaut wearing yellow compass. Also, do you think he'd like really sort of somehow be into having James Bond as part of the master race? Yeah, I guess so. Like having James Bond and Holly Goodhead, like these are two beautiful, super intelligent people who have been chosen by each of their countries to be like... Just ruined this movie for me. But they've got their own... They've lived long enough to not be under the spell of drag.

Yeah, he's... They're a threat. He needs to mind control them. Yeah. And they're their own people. I see. That's right. But that's just, if we can touch briefly on Drax's plan here, which is to make a master race in space of these people.

But aren't they just... models, I mean, is there anything, they're not like hugely, you know, powerful people necessarily. They're just really good looking. What's interesting about Drax is a villain, too, is that he's, he's, his concern is killing the human race except for a handful of people, but he's forward, he's that evil, but he's forward thinking enough to not be racist. And he chooses one of almost every race, or at least a general version. The very United Colors of Beton. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's like eight white couples, one Asian and one black couple. That's basically it. But it's like, I got to have all races here as I destroy mankind. What a weird dichotomy that is to me, especially of a 70s villain

that they're like, they don't want to be considered a racist movie. So they give their villain at least some kind of like diversity plan. He's racist against one race and that's the human race. That's right. Right. He's, yes. But he's a lookist. Like he cares how you look if you're a attractive. But also like, by that token, like, just lock James Bond and Holly Goodhead up in a room for 10 months. You're going to have at least two kids come out. Yeah, it's just not enough. He's that Vera. Either twins or they just date and four and a half. But I'm saying his master race is not particularly strong or anything. They're just, they just have good genetics. They just look good. That's it. I mean, I think you're judging them. They are obviously operating a space station. That's true. Are they, though? Aren't they just passengers?

No, it does seem like most of the technicians are not as good looking. Yeah, clearly. Yeah, it's the people in white. They're really the ones they're going to be procreating up there. Josh's his girlfriend, by the way, is super attractive. She's very attractive. I know. I thought she had braces when I last watched this.

We've talked about this before, and it's worth repeating that this is one of those things that it makes so much sense that she would have braces that everybody remembers it that way. You're blowing my mind right now because I still think she has braces. She doesn't. But she should. She absolutely should. What were they thinking or not thinking? It would have been perfect that the two people with the shiny mouths are attracted to each other.

Yes. It's one of those rare cases where the audience is way beyond the screenwriter, so much so that they fill in the blanks and make it happen in their mind. I bet most people remember it that way. What is it called? It's called the Mandala Effect. Oh, yeah, yeah. Where everyone remembers the thing that actually isn't true.

It should have happened. Oh, like the Berenstine Bears thing? Yeah, it's exactly right, man. Okay. Thank you. Well, now it's the Jaws braces. Jaws is a paradox. Speaking briefly about you, you mentioned when Kieran gets killed by the dogs,

she arrives on a little golf cart. Yeah. But she passes the golf cart on the way into the woods. You might think that the golf cart would be a better means of escaped than running into the woods. I feel like, though, if you're, if you're on, if you get, if your flight. I don't think you can outrun. You, you run. You run.

That's what you do. Okay. I stand corrected. I mean, golf carts and the key's not in there? Well, she just arrived in it. She has the key. But they're not particularly fast, I mean, golf carts. No, right.

Okay, but running. Sure. I mean, the trees make sense because you can climb a tree. But then she never does that. No. What's even better is I got a gloft, which is a gorgeous look out for this. Here we are. When they first cut to her running, the minute she hits the forest,

and she's running, they have a bit of a shot that isn't trimmed right, and she's wearing some moon boots. So take a look. It's a quick shot. She's got just some kind of real protective full-calf footwear on to shield her from the brush, I guess, because otherwise she's just wearing heels. Right. But there's some weird little, like, purple and black thing she's got on. So, you know, take a look.

It's up to you. If you choose to accept this gloft. If you haven't already watched it, if you have to go back. So we go from greater Los Angeles area, what I assume is still Los Angeles County. We then take a trip to Venice. Wait a minute. I've still got some Los Angeles notes. Let's talk about Los Angeles.

Maybe it's San Bernardino. I want to hear it. Yeah, let me just roll through these. Please. Chang looks like Seth MacFarlane, and wants to see that, I couldn't unsee it. Chang looks like Seth McFarland. The editing in the G4 segment is awesome when he starts flashing. on shooting the dart into the painting and then they cut to M really quickly.

Did you guys notice that? Yes. Like super quick. I love that. Then I was like, I know we talked about Corinne's death, but she is one of the most tragic figures in all of James Bond. I agree with that. He uses her in such a brutal way.

Yeah. When he comes into the room, she's just like, oh, it's a given that you're going to just use me for sex and that's what I want. And he disappoints her even in that saying, sorry, I'm. not even here for that. I'm here just to take information for you. Yeah. Oh, okay. All right, I'll give you sex for the information. It's not even that I want the information, or the sex. I'm just doing this to get the information. And she just willingly gives it up. And you never really know why she's betraying Drax other than he must be so alluring. Right. And then she's just like his pawn and then is just

murdered by dogs for helping him. It's pretty tragic. She didn't really even help. She was in the room when She was like, no, don't go. She didn't even tell him where the safe was. She just accidentally looked. And then he goes and opens a safe. She doesn't help at all. Yeah. So it's like she didn't even do anything to really deserve it.

She was just standing in the room and Chang saw her coming out of it. I feel horrible for her when Drax fires her. Yeah. Knowing she's going to die, I still feel horrible that she's getting fired first. Like, why did he have to fire her? Just kill her. No, I think if anyone... Why did he fire her?

Just to throw a little more salt under the wound? If you're all, if you're well aware of James Bond's past, you know. Because he doesn't want to do work. His reputation does precede him as Drex says. Yes. I feel like there should be a briefing. If ever James Bond is coming to your company, let's say you're an evil layer,

and you have a lot of people that are building bad things for you or trying to destroy the human race, I would call a quick, like, all-hands meeting. I'd be like, here's the deal. James Bond is coming. He's going to tell you his name. Ladies. Here's a pro-te.

tip, uh, don't sleep with him. You will die. Here's my proof. And then he'll show everyone who slept with him and died. Uh, and as long as we're all in the same page,

and he doesn't get any information out of us, he's going to leave us alone. Everything's going to be fine. Uh, there will now be an ice cream social. Mm. In space. Everyone has a good time.

Yeah. And then, uh, James Bond comes. No one gets any information. No one gets killed. That's smart. Yeah. You should consider developing a master plan.

thinking about it. I don't know what it is yet. It's probably about cake. All right, I'm ready to go to Venice. Let's go to Venice. Venice, of course, is the site of the worst moment in James Bond movie history. Hashtag. Pigeon double take.

Stop it. This is this movie. This now is the worst movie. We haven't even got it. We haven't done living let die yet. So up to this point, has there been anything that's really led you to believe this is going to go back? badly from now. Like we've had a moment that really made you go like, okay, we're in Moonwaker

World. In other words, the bad stuff. It begins in Venice and then Brazil's where it gets to it. Right. Nothing up to this point has been that egregious is what I'm saying. Maybe the jaw's flapping moment, but even that's comic. It's still hilarious. Oh, you're saying does the movie start to get bad in Venice? Right. Do we have any indication that it's going to get Venice bad before Venice? You know, here's the thing I noticed. this time watching Venice, the choice of travel on that gondola, when James Bond calls for his pal to grab the gondola.

Franco. And he's slowly gondling. I'm going to call that gondling down the canal. At a pace that I would describe as 40% the speed of walking? Like, what is the point? Well, and doesn't it look a little pathetic when you see James Bond by himself in the gondel? being, I mean, he's just got his arms crossed,

and I think it's one of the most pathetic shots in any James Bond movie. I feel sad for him when I see him sitting by himself in a gondola. They're romantic modes of transportation. You don't take one by yourself. I would, maybe it's just because I'm wearing a Moonrack or James Bond Safari jacket. I would have no problem taking a gondola by myself.

I like going to movies by myself. But going to a movie is not a, I mean, it can be a date, but it's not necessarily a romantic thing. You rent a gondola to be with a date. Yeah. It's a romantic thing. Have you never experienced self-romance? And I don't mean physical love.

I'm just talking where you just treat yourself warmly. Yeah, well, that's why I'm wearing this fringed barn jacket right now. Dang it. Wait, why is there fringe on it? Well, I had it custom made, man. This is a weird choice, James. I can't believe you guys didn't bring it up. I'm addressing you three here and I'm dressing all listeners.

take yourself out night on the town. So give me an example of another romantic thing that you would do by yourself. Couples massage? A picnic. You'd go on a picnic by yourself. I haven't, but I would. Would you really? Sure.

Prepare a little tiny meal in a small bottle of wine. I really like solo time. I love. Sure. But that's different, but this is romantic time. But romance doesn't necessarily mean like, love. It could just mean like altruism. It can mean feeling good, you know? But that, is that romantic? You should try this jacket on.

Right now I feel romantic. You're rubbing off this, you're rubbing off the iron on. Yeah, now it just says, coors. Oh, here it is. But I just, you know, it's like, a gondola in Venice is, is just everyone's going to see you by yourself. I think you guys are, he's on work travel. I've been on work travel before. I know where you are. But you're here, you're in a different country, and you're like, I'm going to do some of the touristy things. You got it.

I think he does it. I don't think it's. I've got to produce. That's like I'm with you. And I'm going to spend it. That's right. I'm with you. That's like going through Central Park on one of the carriage rides by yourself, too.

But why not if you're there alone? Hey, I don't. I have to go to New York. Because it's embarrassing. What I'm going to do to kill a day in New York. It's pathetic. Kill days in New York every weekend. There's no way.

I never get on a horse carriage by myself. Well, you're missing out. You know what? Next weekend. There are. I send you each a photo of me by myself. Will you post that on a horse by yourself? But doing the same pose that he's doing.

With the arms crossed. I'm going to go down to Naples, Long Beach. Here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to ask the guy or gal who is the horse purvea, or a bear. I'm going to say, how much is it for a ride? First you're going to say, hmm, a woman. I was like how much is it for a ride? They will give me an answer

and I will say I will give you half of that right now if you just take a photo of me by myself and this like this. I may do the same thing with the gondolas down in Long Beach in Naples. They have canals down there and they have gondolas like that. You know, you can pay extra at the Venetian in Las Vegas and get a gondola by yourself, you know. I love that you have to pay extra for less people. The idea is like for the romantic types, you know,

you pay for a gondola by yourself. But of course it would cost more because you're clearly a weirdo if you're asking to be done to do this on your own. I don't mean by yourself. I mean, if you want a private gondola. So like, let's say James and I decided let's do the gondola thing. Should we get our own? It's a little more expensive. We're here.

Might as well. Let's do it. Oh, I'll do it. Yeah. Right. Well, what are some other things that does beg the question of like what are the romantic? activity. I mean, like, how much would it take for me to have my own boat in small world to the ride

operator? Oh, I think if you just ask nice enough, they'd do it. I don't think they could take bribes that Disney employees. I know a couple that do. Do you? No. But like something like that, like a tunnel of love, you wouldn't do that by yourself. Why not?

Yeah, exactly. You got to, because the point of it. You can't, no one's going to love you till you love yourself. Why do you think we? Women love James Bond so much. He loves himself the most, yeah. Well, I don't say you have to love yourself that much, but like he's comfortable with himself. He doesn't need women, and women sense that.

And men sense that in women when women are comfortable with themselves. It's an alluring, attractive thing. You see someone alone in a gondola, you go, I got to get with that person. But there are certain activities. There are certain activities that are romantic in nature that means that they should be shared with another person. Right. I'm not saying that every mode of transportation should be reserved for a couple. I'm just saying that, like, you could take a...

It's like if he drove up to, like, if James Bond was in high school, high school James Bond drove up to make out point by himself. I'm listening. It just sat there. No, it's not quite like that. It would be... Yeah. It's the same.

No, because... It's a beautiful. Like, I'm taking a trip by myself to Niagara Falls. I'm going to get one of the hard-shaped beds. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. No, you're taking it definitely to a different extreme, though, because he's already there. Yeah.

Yes, but there are other boats. Let's say, let's say James rolls up to Niagara Falls, and it's on the Canadian side of the border, and he's like, yes, so you have a reservation for Mr. Blayden. Oh, yes, we see it right here. We do have, we have the heartbed available for only an extra $55. It's like, yeah, I'm here by myself the entire weekend. I'll take it. But part of that is, same thing with a gondola, how many times are I going to be in Niagara? Exactly.

And it's only $55. I got to experience the whole damn thing. Also, I'm going to make it. You're by yourself. It's partially experiencing it. But also, I'm going to mention, too, that that gondola, he's in it because it's his own secret MI6 gondola and Franco is working for him. Now you're talking sense.

But it's sad that I have to justify it with logic because if you're cold, cold, cold hearts and you can't open up to the romance of it. You're talking about, you're talking about self-romance. You're talking about singular romance where I think romance implies. This is, you're limiting yourself for romance. You don't have to romance yourself. You don't have to, you don't have to convince yourself. You should.

You can. See, you, this is the problem. You're, you're not fulfilling your relationship with yourself. You're saying, you're going home and going, I don't need to romance myself. When the other person in you could be going, I wish he would romance me. Why are they not to be able inside of him? He doesn't even recognize me. But the point of romance, the point of romance is to get the other person in the mood.

You're already in the mood. You don't need the romance. But what if you surprise yourself because you don't need it and you don't expect it? What a gift you've given your gift. That's the best kind of gift, honestly. Not to. That's the best kind of gift, the kind that you weren't expecting. Not like, oh, it's my birthday.

Someone has to give you a gift. The surprise gifts are the best ones. Right. It's no duty. There's no duty you went above and beyond. I think you need to treat yourself. This is the worst and best James Bond podcast available on iTunes. Send us pictures of yourself romance.

If you have ever. I have a picture. I was in Japan recently. They have those photo booths that are meant for like best friends or like a couple. With all the stickies. Yes. And I was there by myself and you know, I was like, I am going to go do this. And I put hearts on it.

Right. And I had a great time. Okay. Well, let me ask the first. I also look adorable. What did you do? See? What did you then do with the

what it gave you, the printout or the sticky thing? What did you do with it? You probably gave it to someone, right? No, it's on my refrigerator at home. Just me. James, I'm going to assign you to go on a Ferris wheel by yourself.

Oh, nothing would scare me more. Yeah, I mean, that's less romantic to me, more actually kind of scary. I will never get on a Ferris wheel. Go win yourself a teddy bear at a carnival. then go on Tunnel of Love. Okay.

Knock over some milk bottles. Uh-huh. And then go on the tunnel of love. And see how you feel. Go in a Shake Shack. That's true. The Tilt of Whirl. Yeah.

Whirl. Shake Shack is from Greece. All right. It's actually from New York. All right. So they're in Venice. All right. They're in Venice.

He's in a gondola by himself. That's where we're, that's where we're, yeah. Does anybody see the gondola as like a bait situation? Because that's what it's struck. Yeah. He's baiting out. Even more logic. Yeah.

No, because then what do you mean bait? Because it's such a slow moving vehicle. Everybody's like, oh, what is the point in traveling in that mode of transportation besides to lure out people who think he's vulnerable now? Or self-rovalance. Like, how could he know that the people that were trying to kill him would also be in a slow-moving boat? A funeral boat. Right. A boat hearse.

Right. And if you're James Bond and you see a. a coffin you should run because twice he gets attacked wait no actually that doesn't happen in live and let die does it other people die thrown in a coffin that's true but other people die from the coffin oh yeah diamonds are another day uh-huh um is he trying to blend in with the gondola is that what's happening but he's by himself you know bobick might have the best reasoning for this that he is trying to draw out he wants people to shoot at him i guess or throw knives at him i guess right well maybe like once a year he goes into a city and just kind of gives everybody a shot at him to keep his

street profile up and also just to keep his skills sharp yeah yeah so he's like he essentially is functions like scaramanga where instead of bringing them to a fun house he just goes to wherever he thinks they may be that's right that's right that takes whatever mode of transportation tourists most take there absolutely if he's in brazil he's like you know what i want to get on this cable car and see if someone can kill me up here. That's right. Right. Yeah. In Central Park, it's a carriage. Yeah.

In Central Park, it's a carriage. Yeah. Okay. So that's when the guy with the, that's when the slow knife barge comes by, right? The coffin barge. Yeah. And it opens slower than anything and reveals so many knives. Lots of knives. But placed in purple velvet. Yeah. The time that they went to to do this, because obviously they didn't build this coffin for a dead person.

They built it to do this job, but they still went to the time to lay those in, like, so careful and beautifully. I don't think this is his first coffin knife throw. I hope not. It feels like it is because he only has one knife in his head. And he's not very good at it. He's not. He chooses the driver first when it should be the target. I think he just took over for someone.

Maybe. Oh. He's the wheedling in. a weekend guy. Maybe Frank's out of town. It was his birthday. He gets the day off with that assassination company. He's like, you get your birthday off. How simple it is that he, he throws two knives, one doesn't hit, and James Bond just take that knife. And timing wise, just gets it into him before he can get another knife. It's comical and quick. But why take out the driver first? Is it to slow the boat down from three to nothing? Three to one? If it was the other guy, maybe he didn't

recognize which one it was James. And it's not, he's like, you know what? He probably missed the briefing. Yeah. He wasn't at the All Hands meeting that Drax had. Or maybe they didn't know. Maybe it was like, there's a secret agent on this gondola. Yeah.

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Okay, so then the gondola gets on the, it turns into a hovercraft. Sure. And then gets on dry land and starts going. And we see a series of events here. We see, we see pigeon do a triple take. I don't recall that. Yep. We see a dog stare.

Yeah, there's a lot of commuter takes. We see a distracted waiter. Artist. Pouring beer onto a customer who is not reacting other than to look up and get more beer in his face. This is also when we get our second of the cameo of that guy doing wine taste. I guess we will call him. He's inspired. After the smoking guy who quit smoking when he sees a coffin.

Yeah. In floating, he decides to quit smoking. Oh, that guy. Yeah. That might be me. Why is his reaction like, Oh, fuck, I can't smoke. It's like the Surgeon General was right.

You will die. You will blow your... The United States Surgeon General was right. It can cause amphizema, floating in caskets. And self-romance. And self-romance. Right, so in St.

Marco Square. Is that what it's called? St. Mark Square? That's where all this happens, right? Yeah. But my question is, if you've been to Venice, have we all been to Venice? I've never been.

No. Oh. But that would be a place of it. want to go because it's featured in two bond movies. I would just love to go on a gondola ride. I would just go on a gullaride. I would do now, especially now to prove a fucking point. So you haven't even been there. Amanda, stand here and take a picture. No, Amanda. What are you doing, Matt? Occupy yourself all day long. The whole point of this is I can't be with you. And I'm just going to sing, oh, solo meo the whole time by myself. You guys haven't even been there

and you're telling me who should be riding in gondolas. That makes me sense. sick. So you've been to St. Mark Square? Yes. No doubt with another person. No. No, yes. Of course. Yes. With my wife. But if you've been around Venice, which none of you have, but I have. Okay. All right. All right. All right. Stop bragging. You realize it's not a place for wheeled vehicles.

It's meant for boats and walking. That St. Mark's Square is really maybe the only place where you could drive a thing around. So I'm like, if you're thinking, thinking of options for your gondola. Yeah. Wheels, or is it supposed to be that it's a hovering? I don't know. I think it's supposed to be hovercraft. Okay.

Even hovering is not a smart use of your money. You're not going to get the most bang for your buck by adding hovering technology. And it's also like literally the only place you could use this gondola. This is a great idea. Yes, it does not fit in like in Vegas. Or Naples Long Beach. But it's, you don't need a road. That's the beauty of the hover.

They're designed to be amphibious vehicles, and they can go up onto a beach, and they can, like, they don't need to have attraction. Yeah, but I think James's point is more that there is no turning radius. Like, a lot of the, a lot of the lefts and rights. You take our hard lefts and rights, where, let's say, a gondola on said sidewalk would not be doing a great job of turning. So what do you suggest that it turns into a submarine or, like, a helicopter? Now you're talking. Well, yeah, a helicopter would be fantastic. fantastic. You could actually fly it over, but I feel like with hovering or wheels, there's no place to go in Venice.

The streets are super narrow. There's really... And that's your problem with this film. Yeah. Okay. Now I'm really done. I can leave. We got to the corner. All right. So he goes to a glass factory. Goes on a tour. I've done that. You sure? Have you? You guys? Anybody? Yes, not.

I've been into a glass making place, not in Venice. No. Was it Marano? Yeah, well, I've been in Marano, yeah. Of course he is. Picked up a little something. I didn't know James is a world traveler. You brought him on here like this?

Yeah. That's the only place I've ever been. He's supposed to tell us what the world travelers on. He's doing it all wrong. How much would it cost someone out there on the internet to do a vacation that stopped at every location in the James Bond franchise. Every major location. Yes, every major location. Every location that James Bond has a full-blown scene. How much would it cost? Also, how long would it take? This is a great question for the internet. If someone's out there, bored. Oh, you Google

map it. Yeah. It's like a James Bond world tour. But you can also like knock out a lot of, you know, you could knock out like London is in every movie and you can do that in one of your, you know, Your Johns. And space, is that included? Yeah, you're going to have to get into low Earth orbit. Okay. Yeah. And deep in the sea floor of the...

Yeah, I don't think you're getting above. I mean, how far, how far up do you think they are about that? Well, they're in orbit, so they've got to be a few, like a couple hundred miles at least. Outer space is credited as one of the locations at the end. Is it really? Yes. It's in, here. Oh, that's adorable.

I wrote it, you guys didn't see this? No. This is absolutely true. Filmed on location. Yes, it says, yes, filmed on location, Italy, Brazil,

Guatemala, USA, and outer space, exclamation point. What, also, what constitutes outer space? Does that mean?

Well, inner space is with Martin Short. What's just space? I know what inner space is. It's also a ride at Disney. When it's quays. Is there a difference between space and outer space?

60, something miles, 60, something miles, 60, so like satellites are in outer space? What? Satellites are in outer space? Yeah, they're not. I don't think about outer space is like out of the solar system.

I don't actually know. Yeah, no, that outer space thing doesn't really, I don't know. Is that maybe just more of a sci-fi term? I feel like it might. Is it mean anything beyond orbit? Versus. Oh, out of space is beyond orbit. I don't, I don't, like I don't actually use the word outer space technically at all.

It doesn't seem like a technical term. It doesn't come up at NASA. Yeah. We'll just call it space. Yeah, we'll call it space. Should I suggest that you start? So I was, where would I, where do I draw that line.

Pobico, what are we thinking? What's the, what's the planks limit on this? The plank limit? The plank limit. It's a tiny little. Plank length of, uh, of this journey. I mean, it's like the edge of space is like you two bombers fly at the edge of space, right? Yeah, they get pretty close.

They have pressure suits. They're up there. Right. And the edge of space is, is, it's, I mean, they don't fly it. It's not as far as you think it is. Yeah. To get to space. I can see it from here.

It still, I mean, it still tends. it's like 60-something miles, which I think a U-2 is, let's see, about 100,000 feet, so that's 20 miles. Yeah. How did you just do that? Roughly 5,000 feet. Divide by 5. Well, I'll stick. So, I mean, you're into a point where we can't obviously live without a lot of work.

But, I mean, you have enough air that you can use wings. So that's kind of helpful. You can't do that in space. Yeah. That's true. That's why the enterprise is a great design. You don't need wings. You just need a.

Warp engine. That's true. And some crystals. How you go to do is bend space. Flavor crystals. Flavor crystals. We're out of flavor crystals, Scotty. I don't know what happened, Captain. Okay. So, glass factory fight is a favorite fight of mine. Is it? Yeah. I enjoy it. It should be one of yours, too.

Did you catch something that was very Harpo Marx? Chang rears back to hit Bond with a stick like pulls it over his head and then kicks him like the harpo move over and he rears his hand back and then kicks someone in the butt. I didn't catch that. Yeah, this is the first time I caught it too. Wow.

I got the Pink Panther Cato vibe. Yeah, definitely. A lot in that scene. Yeah. Right. The... They kept calling him Chong, too, like giving him the English accent to Chang. I think.

It's a little racist. Probably because it's the same, whatever. Chang Chang. By the way, they were capitalizing on nice dreams, which had just come out, which is the Cheech and Chong. How many, do you think Chang would have made it to space? Do you think that Drax would have been like, you're coming with us? I think he would in the way that the technicians were all like,

you'll serve your purpose and then we're going to kick you out the airlock. Yeah. It's brutal. That's what he says. He doesn't fit the, yeah. Bond says he's going to terminate you all, basically. Right. That's what gets Jaws to flip.

Yeah. He found love. He's got someone to protect. That's the other thing. All you got to do is get a henchman in love and they'll work for you. You know? That's true. So they make a big deal about this antique class thing in that main thing, the main blue bowl.

Yeah. That she says this is way more money than if you try to steal it. This measly alarm goes off. Yeah, well, that's all. And then that comes back, pays off in spades. It just, wait, is that the right term? Yeah, what a payoff. But it does.

It doesn't, it doesn't, you can actually hack the entire thing off at the base and then the alarm does not go off. Yeah. Yeah. Also that, well, she just holds her hand over it. She doesn't actually touch it for the alarm. So I'm assuming that it's something that like only an object. It's a beam. Yeah, like a beam.

Otherwise, because she doesn't put her hand on it. Isn't it interesting that she's one of the master race specimens that, but still before that she's like, I got to work in a glass shop. Yes. Like, this is just an interim job to keep a busy. Yeah, everyone has their cover. But the good news is she was at the brief. because we know she sees James and she recognizes him. And I didn't understand that choice.

I was like, wait, how does she know? But the other specimen women are all like, this is the countess and lady so-and-so. Right. Sorry, we're out of titles. You're just going to go work on our glass shop for a few years. How'd you feel about the job of main greeter? Okay.

And reactor. Uh, the... Right, glass fight. Throwing him through the, um, clock and then through the piano impossible this whole him landing through that piano with all the steel all the iron that is inside of a piano he is not is there a lot of iron in the piano yeah that whole a grand piano like that the whole frame it's the big metal harp yeah he's not he's not going through that well he died and by the way you kind of expect him to sort of wake up and shake it off

while he's in the piano, like the way they shoot it. Right, because it's so goofy. Yeah. Because they got the opera playing or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. It's a beautiful fight, though. The way that's backlit, that clock is backlit.

Yeah. I really enjoyed that. It is a weird fight to just listen to. I think I stepped out of the room for a second. And because it's just, there's no music, and you just hear Chang, Ha! It's like really staccato yelling, Ha!

crash, ha, crash. And you would never know what's really happening. You know what I did notice on this film? The Foley effects for punching and kicking were like, I feel like more emphasis was on those than in previous James Bond movies. Like the thuds sounded louder to me. Thank you. I could be welcome. Thank you.

Thank you. Well, then he goes to Rio, right? Are we there? Oh, he does. Rio by the CO. Right. So is that, wait, is this, aren't the scientists there that he goes into the lab and? That's Venice?

Oh, right. Yeah. That's where he sees that they have these Rio boxes. Yeah, they're playing with the VX poison gas from the rock. That's right. And he leaves some out and gets them killed. Yeah. Yeah.

As you do. It's his fault. He takes a vial. He takes a vial. Has it during the whole Chang fight. Which is fantastic that he takes one. Otherwise, Em is not going to believe him. But it is interesting that they show him

take it out of his pocket during that Chang. It's actually a good thing because it answers the question of like, wait, he's got the vial in his pocket during all that. So they answer that question by taking out. And it's like, it's fine. And then, right, and so he shows up the next day. And Ammer there with gas masks. And quite frankly, the funniest line ever said by a villain

when he says that not being from your country. British. I don't understand your humor. Right. With the gas mask. I thought that was very funny because that seems like a scene out of like McMillan and wife or something like that where... Now, there's a reference our listeners can really do good. Yeah, let me think of something more modern.

Clarissa explains it all. There it is. I don't know what it is, but it's like you show up to go like, do you see this is where the dead body is or this is where they've got this entire operation. And then they walk in, there's just wires hanging from the ceiling or a guy's staying there. Everything's been replaced. Yeah. Everything's fine.

That would happen on heart to heart a lot. Right. Thank you. A topical reference, we can all get by. Yeah, Magruder and Loud. Right. Hardcastle McCormick. Sibbemagie and Molly.

Anything. The cabinet of Dr. Calgary. So the midwife. Never happened on Culgate. Yeah. But it's this moment. And you'd think that at this point,

would at least trust him enough to know like he's not making this up. Right. But he's very much like, this is the most embarrassing thing. Or the other guy says the minister of defense. Yeah. He says this is the most embarrassing. But then M doesn't believe him either. No, M does.

Only after he pulls out the vial, he's like, so there was a lab. Yeah. It's like, that doesn't really prove it to me. No. You got a vial with water. But this is the first time I noticed when he's in the lab that that palace room is there. It is part of the room. Yeah, they just set up components in that room.

You never look at it before, so you always think that it's a totally different place, but it is all there. They could have taken it down. Yeah. I do love the exchange between Bond and two weeks leave. Yeah. I love it when, you know, I do think I recall you saying that. You know, I like that. Yeah, I like that a lot, too, which is great because if he wasn't in on it, he wouldn't know to relocate his office to Brazil.

Right. For a week. And money penny. And Q. Which makes me think he wants him to do this. just so he can relocate his office to Brazil and work out of a monastery. I think he gets like super fired up for field office work. He must.

And getting new offices. Yeah. He likes redecorating. It's like, Money Petty, make sure they bring the desk this time. This time I want, yeah,

I want it to be like on the Brazilian pompous planes. What am I? So they would go to Rio. Yeah. Yeah. Based on the sign on the box. It says Rio de Janeiro. Sure.

Yeah. And some initials. Yeah, based on that. So again, he's following the trail of production. Right, because he went to Venice for the glass. Yeah, he's literally different. Which, by the way, guys. Starting at the source.

Yeah, sure. It's worked out this time. It did. It did. Yeah, it's a lesson. I got to figure out where all of these parts are made. He ends up at like some plant that makes bolts. No, every story ends in China.

Yeah, sure. Of course. So is the first place he goes Is it to the gondola tram place? Well, first he goes to his hotel and meets Manuela. Right. It takes her clothes off for five hours.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That is a long, that's a long time. That whole scene. Yeah. Sequence is very long. Then does he go to, where'd you say he goes?

Do they go to, does he go to the tram place to look across? First they go. Or is it the Mardi Gras? Yeah, they go to Mardi Gras. Yeah, they go to the seven up tram. The seven of tram, which is crazy how much product placement. I don't think I noticed how much, not just the billboard, but also when the gondola

station gets wrecked, there's still a seven up picture there or whatever. Yeah. Settledity had not been invented at that one. Cubby broccoli is, I got to subsidize this movie somehow. Salts one's gone. Well, and then there's the part where they, it must have been in, and still in its infancy because at one point they're literally going by billboards that say stuff. You know, so it's like Seiko, and then it's like seven up again.

Yeah. It's one other one. British Airways. It's out of Sugarloaf Mountain. British Airways. We see the Concord. I forgot to mention the Concord in this movie. Oh, Marlboro.

That's the other one. The late, great Concord. Yeah, five hours from Paris to Rio. Paris to Rio is five hours? That's amazing. I know. You could do lunch. You could go to New York to London and get there for lunch.

It's crazy. Yeah. So I have a question. So tell me if I'm jumping ahead. But they're at the gondola. Right? He's there to use the telescope to look from the thing over to the airport to kind of see what the path is. Yeah, he's there to use quite possibly the shittiest. The public telescope. Possible. Rather than just bringing something. Yeah. And he's basically looking from the place where he knows the stuff is going across the way to the airport. So he's like up on some this sugar loaf. Yeah. Sugarloaf Mountain. Isn't that what that is? Is it sugarloaf mountain? Isn't that what it's called? Is it called Sugarloaf? It's called Rock Canhton?

A sugarloaf? A mountain in like... That's Tahoe. In Rio? That's a Tahoe ski resort, Matt. Sugarloaf is a... Yeah, is a ski resort. It's also a chewing gum.

No. Yeah, sugarloaf. It was a competitive to... Well, it lost. Well, Sugarloaf lost. Sugar loaf lost. I did... I forgot to mention again. Here's the question, guys.

And I'd like an answer from both of you. All right. Does every double O agent get their own... own camera issued with their own number on it. Yes. Absolutely. Sugarloaf Mountain is a peak situated in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil at the mouth of Guinebarra Bay on a peninsula that juts out into the Atlantic Ocean. I feel like when you're talking like that, you should have like a safari jacket on or something.

That would be awesome. I've even got the cuffs. That would be awesome. Yeah. Thank you, Phil. I love it. God, you're taking this self-romance too far. You never can.

No, but here's the thing. So he's up there to use this public telescope. And Holly's there too. Yeah. Like, she sought out that place for the best place to look across. The CIA will issue radio purses, poisonous pens. Right. And flame throwing perfume.

I tell you. But not any magnifying devices. If you go to the top of the Empire Stamp Building right now, it's full of CIA space and spies. We're going to get a better view of this port. Sears Tower, one world trade center. Abu Dhabi big guy All of them It's lousy with spies

Look down Abu Dhabi big guy You're just seeing cloud My friend So I don't mean to To be running this But guys If we go from there To them riding on the gondola

Down And then Jaws Interrupts He bites the cable to stop it Then he like He kind of has a moment Where he's not sure If he's gonna keep moving

And he kind of like I guess maybe that's when he bites it he stops it and then he bites it and I'm not sure which cable came apart. Then he gets, he gets the, he's in league with the operator. Yeah,

the guy from the Warner Brothers cartoons. His face is like one of those Chuck Jones like gang member villains. Yeah, exactly. And then he basically hops on the other gondola, gives the guy go ahead and like turn it on again and starts up the thing. I was like,

couldn't he have just gotten on the gondola and said now? Like he gets on the opposite gondola I don't understand why it had to be broken and stopped and broken with his teeth. I don't either. You know, all he had to do was say like, give slip the guy five bucks. You're talking about a man whose last plan to kill James Bond involved a stewardess and a pilot. That's true. With parachutes and a plane and a gun and him hiding in a bathroom.

Right. Right. So you're saying that he adds hurdles for himself. I think here's the deal. He has a handicap. He gets an assassin budget, right? Yeah. He's like, I'll do it for this much.

And then they say, well, that's going to come out of your. Can you send receipts? And he's like, yes, I'll send receipts. So then he has to go around and be like, I'm going to pay you $500. But he's really going to write down that he's paying them $4,000. Oh. Pockets it. This job is just really.

He's unethical. Yeah. Yeah. I see what you're saying. Okay. Point taken. That's right. That is a good point.

That makes no sense. Yeah. He could just say, I mean, for a minute I was thinking, is he doing it because he knows James will get out of the gondola and go to the top? You know, I don't know how you would know that. But also, are they on the way up or down? Down. Okay. So he does have to stop them.

Yes, but only once they are together. Yeah. Because it starts back up again as soon as he gets on the gondola. They're stopped. he stops it and then the guy gets back on and they start up again and then meet in the middle

and then the guy stops it again Do you think it was just to prevent it from moving so that he could like make that jump because they have to two of them That's fine once they're together That they have to be stopped Right yes but before that Why that guy is sitting at one control

And the control for the other condola is like 10 feet away so he can't stop them both Well you have to run around They're both on the same line aren't they They're on a big loop you would have a ski lift, you would think. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. All you gondola heads out there, get with us on this. Let us know what's going on. Write us at gondola to info wars at gmail.cotch. And I think it's sad that Jaws is on the gondola by himself. Self-romance. I don't get it.

That's the most romantic. Look at the view. You can see the airport. Everyone goes there for the airport. That tall statue of Jesus is probably visible. Right. Sugarloaf. Yeah.

Sugarloaf. it is. I loved his jump, though, from the one. I know. Because the three pieces of the edit, the first of all, the one of Richard Keel doing the like beginning of the leap, it is physically ridiculous. Because he doesn't, it just never looks like he's going to leave the ground because he just simply like shrugs his shoulders and raises his arms a little bit. Then it flips to a tiny man jumping across the gondolas. And then Richard Keel.

landing. Yeah. It's pretty rough. Yeah. Yeah. So then they get off the gondola. Jaws has all the gondola parts on the planet fall on him. Right.

Including one of the pulley wheels. Yeah. Right. Which, you know, they put around his neck because it's funny. And then I love how James and Holly end up jumping to safety. ambulance people come over and they don't wave them off, they just continue to make out, which is why James Bond gets knocked out, because he's so horned up. He's so horned up.

That's right. After nearly getting crushed. He's like, instead of saying that, he's like, be right back. That's true. That's true. Then you have that whole ambulance sequence. Yeah, that is a weird sequence. Yeah. But it's another

disabling of a villain with a fire extinguisher. Yeah. And it's odd because the fire extinguisher is activated with his feet, but he's already freed his hands, which are much closer to the villain.

You'd think once your hands are free, you'd grab him, not be like, my hands are free, but I'm using my foot, which is at the other end, to aim a fire extinguisher. It doesn't make sense.

The flirtation sequence is pretty funny, just because of what Roger Moore does. he's got some great takes in this movie I don't mean to jump ahead but his look into the camera at the very end when they're having sex in space and he sees the camera

and he just does like three distinct looks that are so brilliant and then it cuts right to the disco Shirley Bassie so great right so right the ambulance well yeah so then James Bond gets away and he dresses in a poncho

right when they're playing we've established their playing music from Magnificent Seven. But he's obviously in a Sergio Leon costume. Yeah. Stumbles into

Q Branch, which happens to be now located in Brazil. In a monastery. In a monastery. Where people are, like, who is doing the,

I assume, what is the Brazilian martial art? Taibo? No. Tybo. Oh, karate. No. Is it jujitsu?

No. No. What is it? This is Capoeira. Is that what it is? Yeah, it's Capoeira, right? It's like the dance fight thing. I don't know.

Whatever it is. There's monks doing it. He opens a door and there's two monks doing that. That's our first, that's our first foray into, oh, something's going on. And then they're doing like the little Catholic Hail Mary sign. Yeah. That's funny. And then I love that someone is using the moonrager laser.

to melt a wax figure. Why? Melting had always... Eyes me love the sound for that, by the way. For the laser? Yeah. Which is very synth-created. The Moonraker laser was a great weapon for Golden Eye-64.

Oh, yeah? Yeah. It was a one-shot-you-dead situation. Nothing looks more like a store-bought kid's gun than that white, completely white, spay-braided laser. which is also like, did we lose the laser technology from this movie forward? It's like, no movie after this is featuring the laser, which you'd kind of think like, James, we're just going to outfit you with this laser now. Well, he does have a laser in the Aston Martin in... But it's not a choo-choo-ch-ch-ch-but it is a... It's not a space blaster.

I will cut the car off of the wheelbase. Right, right. He does with the Aston-Martin in Living Daylights. But yeah, I mean, it is interesting. Because you take this franchise to a place that it never goes to again. Right. Which is we've now put James Bond in space. We've now established there are space marines.

We've now established that there are lasers, hand lasers that can kill anything. Not wax. We never go back to that. That's right. Yeah. I mean, thankfully. Yeah. It's good.

It's good. It's going to be then turned into a franchise that always was fighting in space. I don't know that I'd be into as much. Yeah. He was the forerunner of the aliens franchise Colonial Marines. It's good to know that they're grounded in. It would be amazing if their patch had shared any sort of design whatsoever. Wouldn't that be amazing?

My great-great-grandfather was at the Battle of Drax Station. So then he gets in his hang glider boat and has a big mortar explosion chase reminiscent of the from Russia with love. they even play that 007 theme. So in this James Bond theme right? Isn't that what it's called?

Yeah. This movie he's in a gondola turns to a hovercraft and a boat that turns into a hang glider. Right. Yeah. Pretty cool.

That one doesn't bother me. No. That one's pretty cool. That boat is very futuristic looking. Yeah. Yeah. That's good. Yeah.

And then in that part I will tell you, when he goes over, speaking of Niagara Falls, when he goes over the falls there. By himself. By himself. in a romantic hang glider.

Uh-huh. That's a wasted opportunity. Then, Jaws is headed toward the thing, and he does one of his signature looks. Yeah. He's got a signature look. And when he did that, my 11-year-old son walked in the room, and he does his big, you know, like, I'm going over the falls' face. And my son who just came in for that thing, he said, is this James Bond? And I said, yes.

And he said, that's pretty cheesy. He wanted me to rewind that part and look at Jaws' face again. Which, Christopher? Christopher. Yeah, he's 11. And I was like, yeah, I guess it is pretty cheesy. Yeah, he has a lot of those moments. He does many takes in this.

You want to have a seat set and watch the rest? No. Bye. Bye. No, I'm going to go watch Clarissa explains at all. I'm going to go make slime I watch off YouTube. But it shows you that Richard Keel is much more suited to just being a machine, a killing machine than having any sort of,

Although when he actually finally speaks in this, he's kind of subdued and almost sweet in a Frankenstein way. Yes. Yes. Or whatever he says. Oh, did that throw me off, though. I know.

I know. Once he turns, you kind of feel like, oh, that's what Richard Kiel was like probably. Yeah. You know, just like,

sure, I'll do that. Yeah. Well, here's to us, you know, it's apparently very religious like you. You do it.

Well, I sit behind, in front of him at church. Because I don't, I want to be able to see. Yeah. Yeah. Just to be crazy.

No one can. I mean, it's weird also that you're the pastor and you're sitting. Right, but I mean, that's to feel like one of the parishioners. You know, I don't want to... I'm no better than them, Matt. I'm no better than them. We're all part of the same flock. You're a man of people. You're a man of people and you all look forward to Jesus.

Look forward to Jesus. That's our church's motto. Come on in and look forward to Jesus. What does that mean? Are we going to stare at it? Are we just looking forward to his return? It means whatever you want to me. Everything.

All of the above. So he goes into this, follows these bewitching ladies walking throughout the Amazon. The siren song, if you will. Right, and he travels very far, right? I mean, like I said, at first he sees her coming off the hang glider, and then all of a sudden you see the falls way off in the distance, and they cut to, now he's at the falls. Here's the question. Does he know that these ladies are leading him towards Drex, or is this just James Bond being horned up and following ladies? A little of both.

I love when he goes into that, that whatever shiny rocked, Oh, it's a great set. Oh, it's a great set. Oh, so beautiful. The thing that cracks me up is the rock that is pre-made to tilt him into the water reminds me so much of like a Star Wars play set where they would have those things where you could put a figure on the little foot peg and then flip this, like, lever that was kind of like pop him off to look like they got knocked down.

Yeah. That was one of the most useless elements of a playset because it is so much easier to just take your hand and knock a soldier over or whatever than that. But it felt like that's an integrated part of that play set to have that tilting rock. The moonraker play set? Yeah, you think they were planning for the play set? God, I wish. Do you think every rock was set up to do that? And so any rock he stood on would have done that.

That would have made more sense. But it does seem like it's just the only rock that he happened to walk to. whatever you do. Late, lady, Jill, listen to me. All up, Marissa, look at me. All right, guys.

Here's part two of the briefing. James Bond's probably coming. I want to talk about these rocks. Get him on this rock. Because if he's not on this rock, he isn't going to tilt, and file on the python ain't going to come out of a snake hole

and give him a real hug. I don't care how you do it. I don't care how you do it. If you have to all stand still, do that. Also, don't feel like you have to act or put on any expression on your faces. Not necessary. You're too pretty for expressions, right ladies?

That's why I chose you. All right, good job. There's an ice cream social. Just stand there and look, neckline deep plunged. Yeah. Let's continue. So I just, I want to talk a little bit about the space shuttle situation here and how close people are to the launch of the show. No, I don't think about it.

Yeah. Don't think about it too much. It's insane. Yeah. It's so... It might as well be a two-car garage. I cannot tell you how ridiculous this is. Maybe Baba can even tell us.

I mean, there are such tiny spaces for rocket exhausts to go out. But I will say they're beautiful. I mean, that mission control is a gorgeous... I wish our mission control. Yeah. It's based on the Mondrian paintings. Oh, yeah. When those shuttles launch throughout the world, like they show and launch in the snow and everything, the effects are really good.

And if it's salt pouring out of the bottom of the space shuttle, just gravity of salt pouring out to make it look like the exhaust is such I love practical effects. Wow. Yeah. When the shuttle launches like in Cape Canaveral or Cape Kennedy, which. Cape Canaveral. How people are, how many yards, like 500 yards away at least? You have to be a couple miles away. A couple miles.

Okay, so they're just in the room, basically. I was at the launch of the last... I was at the launch of the last base shuttle, and I was standing as close as you could physically get. I was standing at the rope. And when that thing went off, not only do you hear a noise you have never heard in your life, but the concussive blast being two miles away from the thing

hits you in the chest. Wow. And there's a point where if you're so, if you're X feet to it or X yards to it, your organs will liquefy from the vibration. I love that they essentially crawl through a funneling tube, and they are maybe 50 feet from that room where all the exhaust is, and they just basically, you see it behind them, and then they just are like, oh, we outran that. We're staying ahead of it. It doesn't go down this corridor, guys. crawl like the wind because there's a tube this big that if anything that would just rifle it into them and they would be in the barrel of a flamethrower.

Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Not just a flamethrower. Like a destructive force unknown to anyone. And is space that limited that you have to double the conference room as the exhaust area for the space shuttle? I don't know, but I love that. It's an amazing set that it closes out.

about the bigger place. Right. So it sort of echoes the Dr. No interrogation room because it's kind of got that diagonal circle above, yeah. It's a great looking set. And when you watch that thing fold in on itself, it's beautiful. What sticks out to you most, Bobbick, as a man of science, is to, I guess my question is, what is the most implausible thing in this movie?

Honestly, the one that struck me the most was... The making of this movie? The script. Two things I really suck. One is the shuttle taking off the airplane because there was never be fuel in the shuttle when they're flying it around the highway. Oh, because it would be too heavy? Yeah, why would you carry extra fuel? If there was fuel, could it do that?

I mean, yeah, it would be destructive to an airplane. Sure. Come on, Mythbusters. That and then just the invisibility of a space station. Like, radar jamming isn't a thing. It's not a cloaking device. It's not going to anybody. It's like, oh, there's something emitting a lot of noise up there. Well, it's on the dark side of the earth. Well, it's so much noise that we shouldn't bother looking to see what that is.

Right. That's what they do. Yeah, so much noise. That's great. That's so funny. But I do also love that the, like, whatever the counter group, whatever the American military organization is. Space Marines. Yeah, space Marines. I love that they had a shuttle like, we can go. We can launch minutes from now. So great. And I'm like, oh, that's not how. that ever happens. That, I love that too, that they always just on, ready to go, whether it's a full on space emergency. What would that take? The amount of manpower it would take to constantly have a shuttle ready to go. You have to fuel it.

You can't leave the fuel because it's cryogenically, right? It's super cold oxygen. So it has to be fueled and it takes hours. And then you also have to wait for the right time to launch so that you intersect the orbit in space. Otherwise, you're just like in a random part of orbit. You're like, oh, there we go. Eight days later, you catch up to it. You're like, yeah, time to fight. Oh, that is great. We need to launch. It's going to be a while. It's amazing. It's so ridiculous. That being said, I just love the logo for Drax's whole

space shuttle enterprises. I mean, they may not have really done all that technology, but they got the design part, right? Yeah, I mean, they built, they've made these shuttles after like I mean because the Enterprise hadn't flown yet but the enterprise was built in the 76ish

they had planned this to coordinate with the launch but the launch was delayed so this movie actually came out before the shuttle launch until 81 something like that right so I think you missed

but by that point it's already designed and people went I mean the Russians were able to build one so why not why not the folks at Moonraker We're here with the folks at Moonwaker.

We're here with the folks at Moonwraker tonight. Late Great John Young piloted that. He just died. Oh. Yeah. We flew every man's space vehicle we had. Really? Mercury, Gemini, Space Shuttle.

Wow. What have you done, James? By myself? He's been to Venice. I've been to Venice while you nerds were in school. This is also, did you guys ever see Ron Howard's Inferno based on the Dan Brown novel? No. No.

This is very similar plot to that. I've seen the towering inferno, do they? Not quite that. Okay, not the same. All right. Yeah. I've seen backdraft. Ron Howard did backdraft.

No. There was an inferno. Yeah. Yeah. There was an inferno. So this is probably the same movie. Okay, guys. I was proposing a serious question.

Have you seen, but have you seen Meteor, the also, uh, does it? movie with Sean Connery. Oh, no. It's not good. Oh, I mean then. It's really... There's a movie called Meteor's or? It's called Meteor.

And it's another disaster movie after like Poseidon Adventure and a meteor is headed towards Earth. It's, it's proto, you know, Armageddon. I got to see that. Who else is in? Is it like an All-Star cast or just... It's another one of those like, oh, yeah, that guy and the other guy. But I don't remember anybody else that's talking about it.

Oh, sure, sure. It's like an earthquake or an airport 70s. I can... Irwin-Alan-style disaster. Exactly right. Why have we never seen that? this movie. I don't know. Sounds delicious. We should just do a series of...

I'm pretty sure I have it if you guys want to borrow it. Year three of this podcast. Yeah. The Betweeners. You're going to get more fringe. We have yet to watch a single movie. I know. A single non. We have to do these. But the Betweeners, I think, should we should just explore the catalog. Yeah.

Oh, this is... Of each James Bond actors films. Oh, my God. That's endless. Except for Lazyze. be. Sean Connery, Natalie Wood, Carl Maldon, Brian Keith, Martin Landau, Trevor Howard, Henry Fonda.

Wow, Brian Keith. This is a good movie. Family Affairs, Brian Keith. Wow. Yeah. That's right now. That's right. Parent Traps, Brian Keith.

Original parent trap. We're big Brian Keith fans, James and I. Not to be confused with Keith Brian. That's true. A lot of people make that mistake. Brian Keith His daughter killed herself By throwing herself off the O

in the Hollywood sign He later killed himself as well That's right Brian Keith? Yeah He killed himself So did Mrs. Beasley killed herself too

Mrs. Beasley killed herself Oh my God, how? That's the doll I know From both family fair And that doll was also featured in Brady Bucket Brady Bunch

As Mrs. Beasley? It might be I don't know That's weird huh Is that a fun crossover? It might have been Was that an actual doll That was like a name of?

It may have been. I don't know. I feel like you're saying Mrs. Beasley. I thought that was just a name that... No, that was the name... That was the name of the doll. Jody. There was Jody and Buffy.

Yeah. Mr. French. It was Sebastian Cabot. I can't do that voice. He made sloppy Samuels. That was what he called Sloppy Joe's. Untidy Samuels is what he called. Is that so much more refined?

It's ridiculous. Why do I remember that? I don't know. Back to you, Matt Gourley. Well, let's see what I got left on my list. here. I'm crazy about General Gogol's PJs. Red. Red, yeah.

General Gogol often mentioned as an ally in James Bond literature. I think he is. He really is. He almost always is. Yeah. I like him. I like that they have to do sort of slow motion acting when they're in the shuttle. It's pretty great. Yeah. They're trying to gesture slowly and talk slowly.

I just need to know where that where that misconception of movement comes from. Like the whole space you move slow situation. I don't understand where it comes from. Is it just from footage of the moon landing? I mean, they do move a little more cautiously. I guess I think a lot of it comes from, they can just be sitting there and an arm will start sort of like floating out.

Yeah, I think that's probably. I think it's underwater. I think is when you watch someone walking on the moon, because of the gravity, you would imagine that they would come down faster. So it looks like they're moving in slow motion. Right. Even though they're not. So they propel themselves and it takes a sixth of the time.

Right. One sixth earth's gravity. They also used to think that gigantic people should move slowly. Like if you're doing a 50-foot woman, they have to move slowly for some reason. But that makes some physical sense because the bigger something is the... The slower it appears to move? No. Well, it just has more mass and resistance, right?

Like, it's heavier. Yeah. Look like they would move. That's all right. I mean, yeah. All right. Yeah.

All right. I've seen elephants move pretty slow. I think, I don't know. That is an interesting question. I just, but I just like the whole, this whole third act of this movie, which takes place nearly entirely in space. I believe the third act just essentially starts when they launch those shuttles.

It, the whole third act is as nauseating to watch for me as, as, Underball. Like, it's so slow. It is definitely a similar. It's so slow. Like, they're like, it's a modern equivalent of an underwater battle.

Look what we can do. Yeah. Because space doesn't lend itself, if you're in free space, it doesn't lend itself to fast action. Because you're being helped around with a space pack. But ironically, when they're out in space and they get shot, it is pure fast motion. Yeah, a lot of lasers. Yeah, there's a lot of lasers. That must have been amazing in the theater where you just see the first big, I know,

Star Wars had already come out, but this one, they're like, well, there's a full squad battle in outer space. Yeah, yeah. They didn't do that in Star Wars. No. They did, you know, you got to see Leia in out of space. You sure did. A new one.

That's a lot of fun. I haven't heard about that. Well, she's in outer space. It seemed like in that some of those master shots, they said like, you know, the effects guys were like, should we match the lasers up with anything in particular? Or should they be coming from a certain gun? No. No.

Just make it go from left to right and right to left. Start it anywhere you want. And do you want the sound to sync with those lasers? Not every time. Not necessary. Do you hear sound in space? Then we make our own rules. You know?

Yeah, can you, how does that work in zero Gs? How are you speaking with each other? Well, you have the headset in your thing. And so your sound is at least, well, you have oxygen in there. It's a radio, right? It's a radio signal. Look, I got it. I got to run.

I thought the lasers were great. Because obviously, otherwise, you shoot and you would move every time you fire like a real gun or anything. You can't have a recoil. Yeah, yeah. So you do have this smart. I love that. That's what you're putting waste too much logic on this movie. What was I just talking with someone about?

Oh, we were talking about this on the Andy Daily podcast that's coming about how you can't shoot on the moon. You shoot six guns. on the moon and you're going to go just as far as the bullet goes the other way yeah i think yeah it'll make sense physics are off on that this will make sense no aren't they i mean no no there's gravity on the moon yeah you'll still you'll still you'll still friction with the moon yeah but one six you'll go one six the no i think you fired a gun on the moon you'd be okay no there'd be some there would be more kickback with well it's not more kickback less same amount of kickback as long as your i mean your hand is holding the gun. I know you're a sign. The difference is if you shot the gun,

like let's say sorry. Fair. Okay. You're right. I know. I'm, who's wearing a safari jacket in the family? He was giving you it out. If you, if you angle the gun down, yeah, the recoil there might be enough to kick you up. As opposed to on Earth, where your weight, the weight is too much. Like, the recoil of a bullet will lift you off the ground. That's what I'm talking about. But if you fire a bullet at the ground on the moon, maybe it's enough to give you like a little hop. but it's not going to give you enough to fly. No, but I'm saying like if you shoot it straight, aren't you going to go back? Just like Earth.

Straight is just like more or less just like Earth, right? But why shooting it down would it launch you up? Because then the opposite motion of the bullet going down is you going, it's the conservation of momentum. What keeps you from moving backwards on Earth when you're firing a gun is not gravity. It's your physical being being able to hold the. gun. But isn't it partially gravity that's holding you in place? Because the friction with the ground is a function of how much you weigh as well. Yeah. But in the moon, I don't know that it would be significantly. I mean, what about guys, what about when you're jumping through the air and you

have two handguns and you're firing them? Yeah. You should move back a little when you do that. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Maybe that's, maybe you can do it there. Well, what if you're jumping through the air and you fire two handguns in opposite directions? You would just stay still in time forever. Stay still. Yeah. You would stay still. Yeah. You would stay. frozen midair forever. But that's only if you fire them perfectly through your center of private. I got that figured out. Yeah.

Yeah, that part's never. You're all set. Yeah. You're all set. What about some sort of wrist dart that might react with your nerves? I don't think there is one. No, they make them. They're red.

Red was not, red was not cyanide, right? Or was the blue? I thought blue was armor piercing and red is cyanide. Oh, geez. What armor are you piercing? with a dart. That reminds me, the one thing I do respect this movie for is that James Bond never gets saved by external forces. Like, he saves himself whenever he's in a life and death situation. So when he's in the centrifugal force thing, he shoots the thing and stops it.

And then the second time, I really don't like it when heroes are saved by chance by someone shooting the villain from behind them, where you just think, like, well, that would have been their end except for they just got really lucky. I like the fact that James has to save himself with wits and weapons, but you know what I mean? So that doesn't always happen. I remember I was watching Thunderball and there's a couple times where James Bond gets saved by other people. I think probably the stretcher.

I would say as high as 25% of his getting out of situations is luck. If you've got a hero like James Bond, he should be able to figure his way out of any death situation. It reminds me of like the, they used to be this um, uh, RPG game

that was Star Trek and like Captain Kirk, all of his attributes, like he was like a four on intelligence out of ten and like a six and strength. But luck he was ten out of ten. Wow. Right place of right time.

10 out of 10. Wow. Well, we should, uh, bring this thing home. bring this thing home. Yeah. They, we shoot Drax out into the airlock.

It gets sucked out in the space. That's a good death scene, I think. Leia style. Yeah. That's pretty good. So, yeah, he shoots him with the dart. I'm going to put you out of my misery. He's a great line.

He's got some good lines. He does. Anything Drax doesn't know and he doesn't want. See some, yeah, it's another good line. Which, yeah, you should be used by all of us. Oh, good question. You should have brought the dogs, right?

They're so well trained. They're very well trained. That would have been a waste. They would not. I don't think they'd do well in zero G. I guess, well, there's gravity once they spend the space station. Because also if they barked, they would go the other direction. Oh, but you can leave them on Earth because when he kills the humans, he's just going to come back.

Oh, right. Just big, big, Tereena meat. By the way, also, can you imagine, like, the, like, what, have they thought of how they're going to dispose of all these rotting human corpses when they get back to Earth? There's going to be billions of corpses they're going to have to take years. Yeah. Who's task is that? There's those, like, there's like a website or some infographic that's, here's how many people Bond is killed.

How many has he saved? Because here he saves the population of Earth minus about 110 people. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And he's probably done that a few times over. Right. So stop worrying about how violent he is.

The ends justify the names. Start worrying about how many times he's prevented World War III. That's right. Four and five. Every time, essentially. Yeah. Well, it's time to give this movie a rating. You get to choose from 0 to 007, from 000 to 00.

One thing we've skipped here is the attempting reentry part, which is my favorite line of the movie. How dare we? I know. But just to leave it on that. Now, that is one of those one-liners where I'll be like, okay, I'm in. I mean, no pun intended there. It's so good.

It makes perfect sense. And Q delivering it somehow sweetens it a little. Yes, absolutely, the charming old man. Because there's almost a sense that maybe he's innocent in that. I think he is. You can give him the benefit of the doubt? Because he's not really looking at the screen, right? Doesn't he kind of turned around when he says that?

Oh, is he looking at like, oh, they're attempting. That's the way to do it. But then imagine if they gave Q the line, I thought Christmas only comes once. Or if that does. It would be R. It's R. It's CLEAS that's there looking at the monitor at that point. Oh, is it? Because he had, he had,

Desmond had already left through the pool table. That's right. He's already gone into the carbon freezing chamber. Saying, I know. Could you help here? My hands are stuck. Oh, thank you. Do you know where the, I now know that those 70s molded plastic chairs

in the shape of giant hands just really just lifecasts. Like, the key. It has been Lou about it. All right. What's your ranking going to be?

Who wants to start? From zero rank? Uh-huh. I feel like it helps our G. Double O. Is triple O. Sure.

Fuck you. I feel like it helps our guest if one of us goes first. Yeah. So what's the, what's the, what, 007 is the best.

But what have we, what have you guys given a double O seven? We have yet. Oh, yeah. If you had to issue with double a double We've issued some 006s. Sure.

We've issued some 006.5s. Wait, but one of them has to at least be a double a seven, right? Oh, there will be. Oh, yeah. Well, I know which one you guys will vote for. Of course. You know, but you do. It's Octopus. Could be.

So, for this, this is, you have your average James Bond movies, you have your above average James Bond movies, you have your below average James Bond movies, and I feel that this is firmly in the below average James Bond movies. Okay. not enough in it to make me bump it

to a 3.5 and there's certainly not enough in it to get a 3. This gets a 002.5. Moonraker gets a 002.5. Well, for me as you know, I think it's been well covered on this

program that if a movie is, its biggest sin is if it's boring. I don't mind if a movie's bad as long as it goes big and this movie goes big and I have to appreciate that and I take my hat off to it. I don't think it's a great Bond movie, but I enjoy watching it. It's fun.

It's experiencing self-love itself all over the globe. I think if a 003.5 is middle of the road, I'm going to put it above that just for it's, it's like, it's so inflated and ridiculous. I give it a 004. Wow. I think if you had asked me before I rewatched it, I would have given this a 005. I'm like, oh, I love you in record space. Yeah. You know, the poster is fantastic for this.

Yeah, that's true. And then when I rewatched it, I was, I was like, oh, this is not, it's not very good. It's like seeing your, like your grandpa has aged and their mind is slipping a little bit, like, oh. Yeah, it's like, you know, the, you can, it's like the, you know, yeah, the kind of the paint is a little bit. worn out and you're like, oh, I can see all this behind the facade of like Las Vegas. I would give this, I'm going to give this a double-03.

I think it's not quite average, but I really wanted to like it more. Again, I remember loving this movie and thinking space is yeah, this is it. Space is the place. It certainly was a huge hit when it came out too. Biggest grosser of the series to that

point, I think. Well, I mean, really, I think we should all heed to James here because he's the only one of us who's been to Venice. That's right. Thank you, Matt. You're welcome. Thank you for acknowledging that. Guys, I want to bring it down here.

We're going to pray? Let us. Matt, could you take your hat off, please? I can keep my safari jacket. Could you take off your Pith helmet, please, Matt? No, I'm not wearing a Pith helmet. Do you have to change the battery to get that fan to keep going? You mock me.

But you all want this. I can clearly see your parachute under there. We all can. This film is interesting because I agree with, man, I think like it really is, it really goes for it. You know, like it's got some huge sets. They're thinking big. You got to swing for the fences. and if you're not risking failure, guys, what are we doing?

Right. When we're making these things. We're risking failure every time we do this podcast. Yeah. Yeah, I've achieved it. Fail forward, as Will Smith would say. No, I think that, and I think some of the serious parts are really good. I think some of the sets are amazing.

Some of the jokes, I think, are good, and some of the quips are good. I think some of the comedy is maybe the worst ever. Sure. So it really is all over the map tonally like, you know, but I agree that it's not boring and it's, I don't, and I can follow the plot.

It's pretty straightforward. Oh, that's right. It is a pretty straightforward plot. Yeah. Compared to most Bond movies. Because every time it was going through and I would come across something that I was like, wait a second,

what is this orchid stuff for? I couldn't figure that out. And then they answered it right after. It was like it was to make these bonds. change in mind to a 007. I'm just kidding. So that all said, I think I'm going to go with a 004. Wow.

Yeah. Okay, so we got a 004, a 004, a 003. We need a tie break. And a double, oh, 2.5. Okay. So I don't. You just take the average of all those, right? That's how that works.

Yeah. So that's a what? An average James Bond movie, essentially. It's like a 003.4. But if you, if you added up all of you. your guys's ratings, would it really fall in the middle of what you've actually awarded to film? Yeah, I think this is pretty much in the middle for me as a Bond movie. I think you're going to find that your waiting is below four. Like, it's going to be, I think

it's a lower number. If I put this in the big scheme of the... Which is fine. I mean, like, right the, where the bell curve falls doesn't mean that the center has to be right over the average. Let's see, there's 24 Bond movies. I think this would fall in my top 12, right around 12 probably 13 14 anyway well Matt it's time to figure out what movie we're watching next your choice this time friend indeed my choice we've still got a fair amount of Conneries and moors left

we've only got two crags and we've done all the Brosnan except for one and we're out of Lazy's and Dalton's we got two Craigs one Brosnan many Conneries and Moors and you know what I say what's better after more than more. Oh, I'm so curious. So what have we got left? We've got Spy Who Love Me.

We've got Man with a Golden Gun, Live and Let Die, Octopus, You For Your Eyes Only. Wow, we have five. Everything you're saying right now is amazing to me. And I'm very excited about all of them. But perhaps the one that I'm most excited about is the man with a golden gun. Oh, boy. Really? What made you choose that?

Today's discussion of James Bond. in a gondola drawing out assassins. How? What do you mean? That's all Skarmonga does. Oh, okay. He wants to take assassins on one-on-one. Yeah.

But doesn't it also have the big boat ride with Jay Culpepper or whatever's name is? It sure does. Right. I thought that's what you were feeling nostalgic for. He's got a powerful weapon, guys. He charges a million a shot. See, that's great. We have an established assassin rate.

So I know his account. a lot better than I know Jaws is accounting, which is fuzzy math. That's true. It really is. Wow. Also one of my favorite Bond girls in that movie. Britt Ecclin or Mod Adams? Oh, really?

What do you like about it? I don't know. I just, I really like really resonates with me. Huh. Yeah. Interesting. I think it's the aesthetic of that. Oh, yeah.

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