James Bonding - No Time To Die Is Nigh

Episode Date: December 11, 2024

Matt and Matt are back! They never left. Well, they did, but now they're back. And they're discussing all their hopes and dreams for Daniel Craig's last outing as 007, No Time To Die. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Matt and Matt and James Bonding Podcasts. James Bonding Podcasts. It's the James Bonding podcast. It's the James Bonding podcast. Hey everybody. Welcome to James Bonding. I'm Matt. And I'm Matt. And we're back. We did it. We never left in the words of the immortal Quantum of Solace. We never left. We made it through a writer's strike, other things that Quantum of Salas did. yes we've I'm excited to be doing the podcast once again people you know often ask what's what's

what's going on James Bonding and I always say James Bonding will return you know yeah just never fear sit tight and it's not like we're back for a big run or anything but there is I'm hearing there's a new movie I I have heard this but I have yet to believe it I do too because it's been delayed what four or five times this October thing feels like it's going to stick man it is October 6th is what it is in the States, I believe. It's the 8th with the like preview opening on the 6th, the like, you know, like early screenings. But Matt, I am in a dilemma. Oh, no.

Tell me about your dilemma, Matt Gourley. I have a ticket to the L.A. premiere on 28th. My wife is due with our first child on the 27th. Now, often the first babies are late and my wife has been really great about it. The question is, I don't know that I will be able to just nervous system-wise, go and enjoy this movie, knowing it any time labor could begin. If it hasn't already, that is obviously, if it already happened, it's a no-go. This sounds eerily similar to when Henry was born, Avengers Endgame was coming out. And I was anticipating the movie greatly.

And so much so that I bought, you know, that Thursday night screening, bought those tickets. at the TLC Chinese Theater. And we went and my wife also, because Henry seemed like he wasn't coming anytime soon, my wife was also that night going to a bikini kill concert. Oh my God. Like that was her plan. I love it. Oh, my God.

And on the Monday before the Wednesday where both these things were going to happen, that was when the O.B. was like, go home, get your stuff, come back to the hospital at 1 o'clock. And I was like, damn it. Wow. Yeah. And I ended up having to watch Avengers Endgame. So I bought the tickets. So I felt like, all right, I've paid for the movie.

And then I ended up watching a very bad Chinese bootleg at home. And let me tell you, it still hit me right where it needed to. What a good reason to watch a shitty Chinese bootleg, the birth of your son. I will be happy to be excused from this movie for this reason. And in fact, I also went to the Bond in Motion exhibit early preview yesterday. And Amanda came with me. And we were like kept joking, but we're only half serious of can we get her water to break in the DB5? Just for the story.

First of all, I'm so out of everything because I'm not on social at very much at all. Yeah. So Bond in Motion is out here now? It's at the Petersen Auto Museum. Oh, my God. It starts this Saturday, I think. And I went yesterday. And it's pretty, you know, it's a pretty quick time through.

It's pretty amazing. They have so many of the vehicles. The DB5 is there. But you know what was the highlight for me? Tracy's car. Well, that was there. Yeah, that was the second. And Amanda and I are both like, if you get to choose one, and she chose the DB5,

and it shows Tracy's Cougar. Yeah. But it's the Quantum of Solis, Austin Martin, because it's the one with the missing door and all the bullet holes in the upholstery and all the, like, dashboard and everything. and it's all scraped up with that light Italian quarry dirt. And did you happen to see James's waistcoat in there at all? Because between the end of Casino Royale and the beginning of Quantum of Salas,

he's no longer in a three-piece suit. No, he must put that in the trunk with Mr. White. Gotcha. He probably uses that to bind Mr. Wright's with wrists. He's like, I'm going to use this bryoni waistcoat and suddenly have a tom-aum. Ford suit. Have you seen that Orlybar Brown is selling waistcoat wrist ties for $600? What? No, I'm kidding. No, by the way, that price sounds about right for them. Yeah. They're a luxury dealer, apparently, of goods and services. I'll say. I have the Thunderball shoes. Oh, nice. A little

slip-on sneaker things, little boat, like, they're like spary top-siders, but not. And then I have the long-sleeve Thunderball polo. Oh, nice. Because I was like, these are the only two things that would remotely fit my out-of-shaped body. And I was correct about the shoes. Well, all I have is this Shrublin's T-shirt. Wow.

I got, there's like the online purveyor of James Bond fitness gear called S-I-S training, I think, and they have all these shirts like like Lamerican shirt I held the brand rarities. Do they happen to sell a mint glove? Why did we never buy that when we found that on eBay?

What were we thinking? I think it was probably our biggest misstep of this podcast. Maybe in my life? Yeah, I think like number one, not getting the mint glove. Number two, ending up on Earwolf

and then losing our feed for a year. Yeah, see, we should say that's been part of the reason now. I've been talking to the good full folks at Stitcher, they have been so helpful in pulling this. We're moving our feed. It's going to take some time. This will probably go up in the regular place. I'm sure we're going to want to do an episode sometime after No Time to Die comes out when we've both seen it. But of course, I'll have the new babies so it might not be right away. But just pay close attention to our social media's too,

because who knows if this feed gets changed? It shouldn't theoretically be no issue. You shouldn't even notice it, but just in case if for future episodes, look out for news on that. But here we are. We're back for an episode or two or three or whatever. And it is, it is good to be back, man. It's good to see you. We haven't seen each other and I know over a year and a half. It's really wild. Like we've just, you know, we've texted sporadically here and there. And that's always been nice, but like actually seeing each other, it's pretty crazy. It is crazy. I've been such a hermit. Have you? Oh, me too. Have you seen outside of having to go in and work? Have you seen anybody?

Yeah, I mean, a close pod of friends and some family. Yeah. Those that'll get vaccinated. Here, here. And yeah, so we haven't been completely isolated, but, you know, it's safe to say Amanda and I are fairly reclusive as it is. Yes. It wasn't much of a change.

You and I, like, when it first went down and the lockdown happened back last year, it really, I was just like. This is kind of my dream. Yeah. That's when I bought that Lego Aston Martin and was like, oh. You built it before I did. And then I built it.

And then that set off this weird chain of events where I suddenly became a Lego guy. Oh, what else did you get? Matt, what didn't I get? Oh, my God. I'm talking giant 6,000 piece Millennium Falcon. Whoa. How long did that take?

Haven't built it yet. It's in a box. Okay. Okay. The Saturn 5 rocket, which was a delight. That was a three-step. sitting guy. The Disney Castle. That was

like probably like a five night thing. Wow. Then from there it would just let's see I'll just rattle them off. The Batmobile 89 Batmobile. The Batwing. Ecto 1 from the yet to be released Ghostbusters movie.

The Simpsons House. Wow. Is Henry been helping you with any of these or this is after he goes to bed? Henry's favorite was the Main Street train station from Disneyland because the train actually was powered and it would go around in a circle. And he loved literally tearing that apart. Makes sense. He just tears everything apart. Yeah.

He's a boy. Therefore. Yeah. Are you having a boy or a girl? We're having a girl. You're going to be so much happier. I am kind of glad. I think we thought it was going to be a boy.

Yeah. But when it was a girl, I think we both went, okay. He's kind of like. it's I just don't understand what is in boy DNA that makes them mischievous, destructive, and liable to do a podcast about James Bond. Yeah, they think they're very funny too. The kid thinks he's very funny. I'm like, you're not that funny yet.

Like Pratt Falls. He was doing Pratt Falls at like one and a half. Like when he first fell and looked up at me and I was laughing, he was like, oh, this is a thing I can do. So he would like walk it. He would like walk into his room and then just go, he would go, and then do his fake terrible pratfall. And you know, I had to give him some props. I had to laugh at him. I love it. I truly do. But let's talk about no time to die for a second. I let's do this. Don't know anything about the movie, really. The last trailer I watched was with you and Phil on the podcast. Yes. I know a trailer.

trailer came out very recently. It was supposedly the final trailer, the third final trailer, I believe. And there's two versions of that. Explain that to me. I think one's an international version, one's a U.S. domestic. So you're getting more footage in one, I'm assuming. Yeah, or different in each. It's a lot of the same, but a few different shots. Okay. This is exciting. So when Matt asked, hey, should we record? I was like, yes, let's do it. Then I deliberately did not watch the trailer, everyone. I love this. So that my honest first reactions would be heard here on this very podcast. Yeah. And now we should say that I've seen all these trailers. I also believe I've learned, I will of course won't say anything, a spoiler. But then I've had reason to doubt that spoiler.

So I'm hoping I don't know. Well, I'm just like, I'm hoping so very much that you and I don't end up in the post Spector, everything's great haze that we were on. I'm going to. I already am. Because what else is the point? Like, why wouldn't I love and enjoy this thing? Even if it falls away after, at least give me that 48 hours of pure bliss.

I don't care what people say. And I'll tell you what's more. I rewatch Spector recently. Please. And it's not as bad as we first didn't think and then did think. I had a decent time. I mean, come on. It's Bonn.

it's it's free once you've paid for it it's kind of true it's kind of true of everything that you're just like oh if i watch this thing that i've already seen and know what to expect i can enjoy it on other merits yeah exactly and i'm sure you were enjoying his tan suit oh yeah i mean spectre or this one spectre because he's got it in this one too this is this is exciting to i'm i'm i'm kind of like weirdly very excited about it watching this trailer now. Like the idea of it finally coming out, I still can't even believe it.

I know. I also wonder how far back that set everything regarding yet another James Bond movie. Like, you know, because this theoretically would have come out a year ago. Oh, two years ago.

Two years, yeah. To its original plans. Wow, yeah, because it was coming out in April. Of last, of last, of 2020. Yeah, but then would have come out earlier, right? If it's the Danny Boyle version. Oh, God.

Yes, it would have been so much earlier. Yes. It would have been November of 2019, November of 2019. So let's pretend that that happened. We would be probably right now talking about casting, you know. We'd be like discussing who's the new James Bond, et cetera. And we're- We're sure, sure.

I, you know, I personally would go from. for like a, like a, like a, not Hittleston, but what's the other kid, the kid. Fastbender? Oh, fastbender would be very good. Oh, he does so. Fastbender in days of future past and when he's in the 60s, you're like, oh, you're built for those suits. Yeah. Yeah.

Did you know there's a new video game in the making? Of Bond? Yes. No. That is going to not you, it's not going to use a actor from the movies. it's going to do a literary James Bond

So as described by Ian Fleming The scar and the comma of black hair Yes Schmer scar on the hand I love it This is like So that is in the works right now Which is great

Because it's been so long Since there's been a decent James Bond game And The idea Because they did it with Spider-Man On the PlayStation Where they just were like

We're gonna make The PlayStation 5 or for version of Spider-Man, and that's going to, we're going to build off this universe. So they're doing the same thing. They're going to take the PlayStation version of James Bond and build out that universe.

Wow. And I'm like, genuinely might be more excited about that than the movie. I'm kidding. I want to see the movie more than. Yeah. I want to play anything. The,

no time to die. I'll tell you, the billboards have been popping up all over town. Yeah. Once again. Because I feel like they were here. a year and a half, two years ago. I'm almost treating this like how they used to do Star Wars re-releases.

This is like the re-release of no time to die, and I just didn't make it the first time. And it was kind of like how, you know, you would not have home video, and like you would just have to wait until Disney decided to put Snow White back in theaters or something. Yeah. Although I hear this thing's already going to be on video and streaming December 21st or something like that. It's coming quick. The windows are getting shorter and shorter, but like the idea of doing the theatrical release. release of Bond is like so great. I was worried that when Prime bought MGM,

that was going to shift some things. Yeah, that could still be a danger in the future. I also was like, are they going to do a Bond series? I bet if they had it there way they will, but we'll see if the broccoli's hold firm. I feel like the broclies will never allow it. I hope not. But there's still time, by the way,

for one of us to marry Barbara Broccoli. I'm just saying. That's true. I'd marry Michael Wilson at this point. I'd let him cameo at the wedding. Where's Michael G. Wilson? It would be in the contract. Oh, yeah, we have to whole spot the Wilson for no time to die.

Oh, this is going to be exciting. I can't wait to see who the most British person is in the movie. Oh, my God. I have so many feelings about this. I want to watch the trailer, Matt. Okay, let's do it. Bring it up. Do you have, oh, perfect.

You already have allowed me share screen sharing. This is. I didn't even know I did. You are on top of everything right now, and I love it. Well, I podcast breakfast, lunch, and dinner. So if I don't know what I'm doing. This is funny because last night I did Star Trek with Andy, Secunda. And then I have that again tonight.

And last night was like two and a half hours. I'm sure tonight will be a two to three situation. We do, our podcasts are far too long. Yeah. but the idea of like ever leaving this chair, it's not happening. It's never. I'm just like, I'm here. I'm in my, I'm in my, you know, what do they call it?

Detached office. Oh, you are. Oh, yeah. I get. So I'm in the, I'm in what used to be a pool house, I'm guessing at some point with our very, very, very, very, very tiny pool. How's your pool been, by the way? Have you been swimming? Oh, yeah.

That's great. I think about your pool so often when I'm out at this inferior pool. I'm just like, man, that's pool looks so much more comfortable. It was like a tile shark at the bottom of it that feels very thunderball. That's amazing. And before that, that comes across the sounding lavish. This thing was like an $80 tile mosaic you buy online and you just hand it to the pool people. And they're like, yeah, we could, we could pave that in.

I guess we could do it. It's, it's, it's, it's, hey Jim, the sky wants the tile. The sky wants us to put the tile shark in. Again? Again. Just one. Just do it. Okay.

So, I've pulled it up. Matt, can you see the trailer? I see it. You see the lion, right? I'm not sure I'm hearing it. You might need to. Oh, I can actually make that happen. Don't worry.

Okay. I just got to hit two buttons. Boom, boom. And then I'll see. I'm going to test it. Did you hear that? you didn't hear the roar. I think when you share screen,

you have to click share sound as well. This is. So you might need to reshare. That should be set to go. No, no, no. My question is,

because I have it, this is going to be cut out of the podcast by. Is it? I don't plan on doing it. Okay. Then it's never happening and you're all going to have to just listen and enjoy. And I apologize to the listener in advance,

but this is literally my last podcast before the baby comes. So we're making this as stressful as possible. This is just what happened. sometimes people. Yeah. I will fill the void by telling you that I read a nice long interview about Carrie Joji Fukunaga today and he mentioned that the Danny Boyle version was very whimsical and kind of tongue and cheek. And I thought it was the opposite. Oh my God. So I was a Roger Moore? Yeah. Sounds like it. That's that's genuinely the most upsetting thing I've heard that that I'm not ever getting that Danny Boyle movie. I don't know if that.

I'd be for that, but I don't know about this last Daniel Craig. There goes. I hear it now. Great. Fix that. All right. All right. I'm going to turn up my speaker so the listener can hear this as well.

No, they will. It's recording onto my track. Oh, this is great. No problems. You're a genius. I figured this out a long time ago when I had to watch many episodes of Star Trek with Andy. Okay. Here we go.

Should I do a pause or should we like watch Ben Talk? I'm going to, I feel like it's a watch. Talk or is it a... Yeah, I'm sure the listener won't mind hearing... Let's hear the trailer. Okay. All right. Any thug can kill.

I have to know I can trust you. Well, I understand double those have a very short life expectancy. You are a kite dancing in a hurricane, Mr. Lord. Love that line. Is this really what you want? Always alone. I've seen no new footage yet. There is.

Everything is led to you. We used to be able to get into a room with the enemy. And now they're just floating in the ether. When her secret finds its way out, there'll be the death of you. Target enough people. And the people become the weapon. Who is he? James.

You don't know what this is? James born. What? Licensed to kill. Love with Madeline Swam. Please speaking to my own reflection. Only your skills die with your body. And life is all about leaving something behind.

Isn't it? Come on, Bond. Where the hell are you? If we don't do this, there will be nothing left to save. I have to finish this. You have a flow out of this. No. Wow.

I have so many questions, thoughts, requests. Oh, yeah? Okay, so I'm going to just scroll in here for a second. Now, okay, first of all, let's just, I would, my initial reaction to the trailer. That was much more of the plot than I was expecting to get. Interesting. Yeah, and anything we'll say at this point is pure conjecture. So if you consider that spoiler, that's, that's okay.

But we don't, I, we won't say anything. I know one thing, I think. I think I know Madeline's secret, but I won't say that. So the rest is pure conjecture. So if you want to see how good our conjecture is, just go back in the archives. Oh, yeah.

It's not good. Yeah, it's probably safe. This is all going to be incredibly wrong. I'm curious about a couple of things here. The, okay, so where do you think we are with Bond when the movie opens. Well, that I do know, and I won't say. I mean, they kind of...

They kind of say it actually in the... I will say, so if you don't want to know, but they say it in the plot description of this film. And he's retired? Yeah, he's retired in living in Jamaica. Okay, so he's decided to go to Golden Eye. In the... In the...

The In Fleming Villa. Do you think in the universe? It's the Ian Fleming Villa and Ian Fleming has written something besides James Bond. Yeah, and Bond is writing his resignation on a golden typewriter. I've seen James Bond's resignation come through too many times. Okay, so, and this says the conclusion. So they're really treating this as it seems like to me, again, conjecture. They're treating this like it is a five movie arc of James Bond.

And I think that's been pretty clear in the publicity for this film as well, that this is equal parts wrap up his through line and give you a new solo story that is probably tied in in some way, but also a new adventure. I'm getting a lot more Dr. No vibes from Romney Malick than I was in the trailer. Like in the first trailer that we saw, it was, you were kind of like, oh, is he some kind of like evil scientist kind of guy? You know that's been a big rumor about this movie that he is playing Dr. No. Oh, that's interesting. Also, it's no time to die. Oh, if you like your puns. But also, he's wearing a theater of no Japanese mask as well.

Oh, look at you with your knowledge about what those masks are. That's interesting. Can you, in your head, just let's put ourselves in the producer's shoes. Hopefully, Michael G. Wilson's a size 11 and a half or bigger. The idea of going to that particular story to the first James Bond as we knew him on the cinematic universe and ending Daniel Craig's run with that. What are they going for? Well, I don't know that that's happening. I would like to think they learned their lesson from the Blofeld, you know, hiding the fact that it was Blofeld and all the publicity and that they're not doing that this time.

The only reason I could think they would do that is to kind of bring it full circle as a clever gimmick. But I don't know how much that's going to resonate with the general movie-going population. And anybody who's a Bond fan is thought of that long ago, so it won't feel like a big landing necessarily. the thing I think, and again this is purely conjecture, is that they're going to incorporate the Garden of Death from You Only Live Twice. When I look at that island, and I look at the kind of horticulture going on in his hair.

Yeah. It also looked like there was a shot in the trailer of Bond looking at what looks like a, I would guess, an infected hand or something. So I was under the impression that this was going to be, I had like some wacky theory when Phil and Matt and I recorded way back when that this would be he's some kind of like Theranos type villain. You mean like, oh, like Elizabeth Holmes? Yes.

Oh. Yeah, yeah. But he's like he's like a, how would I describe it? Almost like a startup tech bagillionaire genius. Yeah. And there was some worry that part of the reason they delayed is because the plot line included a very contagious virus of some kind and that wouldn't have looked good. That to that point, yeah, that's what it looks like. There's a shot, there's one shot of Bond looking at his hand, which I don't know where it is now.

But where it's the party. Oh, right there. Or if you, right there. Yeah, but he's in a different place than what they just showed. Yeah. interesting. Right. I mean,

well, that's, although that does look like, that looks like MI6 actually. Yeah, it's hard to say. There's like a draft

table behind him. I don't want to say too much. James, you don't know what this is. It's that suit. Yeah. So my guess is like maybe, well,

that doesn't make any sense if Madeline was working for MI6 now. But, whatever, I'm just going by images. in the trailer, which we all know are just cut wackily and all out of

order and who knows what this is. So it does seem like in this just plot from the trailer-wise, he's turning everyone into a weapon, everyone who gets infected with whatever this is, which kind of

seems like it's the what is the name of the in Iron Man 3. I know Matt, you're not a a big superhero movie guy, which quite frankly I envy. There were these villains that were in, they had some genetic thing done to them,

which made them have like abilities and occasionally they'd become unstable and explode. That's right. And like take out a whole like half a city block. extremists. That was the name of it. So that feels kind of like what's happening in the trailer. I hope that's not it. That just seems too nuts-o for a Bond movie. You think it's too nuts for a Bond movie where we've seen not only a pigeon do a double-take, but...

No, yeah, for a Roger Moore movie, fine. A Brosnan movie, I get it. But a Daniel Craig movie, it's too much. Okay, let's talk about that for a second. So we've had now in our, so let's, this is the last chapter of Craig. So this will theoretically be Craig's view to a kill. A world is not enough. Diamonds are forever. Honor Majesty's Secret Service being generous there and licensed to kill.

And if you take each of those movies at face value, they're all pretty wacky minus Honor Majesty's Secret Service and license to kill. Licensed to kill and Army's Magic's Secret Service, I feel like, are the two biggest outliers in the franchise as far as, uh, the, the chances they took. So like, if you think about, you know, 69, 1969 and like doing a movie like that where James Bond's wife is shot at the end of the movie and it's not a happy ending. Uh, and like making the big swing of like replacing Sean Connery. And then you look at license to kill, which feels so much of that reaction to 90s drug movies where everyone's trying to stop a cartel.

And like going ultra-violent with it. Those two movies feel like outliers. This feels like it's going to be an outlier to me. In that vein? Yes. I agree because Carrie Fukunaga has said his favorite two films are Casino Royale and On Her Majesty's. And I think he's really grounded.

And I don't think they're going to go totally. crazy. I think this is going to be big. It's definitely going to be epic. It's two hours and 43 minutes. No, is it really? Yes. Oh, no. No wonder you're worried about going to that premiere. I know. I'm going to get two hours and 38 minutes in and I'm going to get a text. Oh, Matt. That is too long. Well, not if the movie sustains it. It's just if it's not good, then it's going to be too long. Can you think of, like, can you name off, give me, can you name three movies over two and a half hours long that are like, start to finish? You love Godfather one. Okay.

Okay. All right. Lawrence of Arabia. Lawrence of Arabia holds your attention the entire time. Oh, I haven't seen it in a long time. Godfather three, but I won't admit it publicly. But it's true. 240 though is godfather

yeah godfather 2 is three hours and 22 minutes and you know some of those tarentinos are pretty long too oh that is pretty interesting godfather's 255 part two is 322 and part i'm sorry part 2 is 3 hours 22 minutes and part 3 hours and 42 minutes yeah that is so wild that they would let him you think about what a different time

was in 1974, that they would let him do a movie that long, just out of greed, I would think, nowadays, the studio would be like, okay, let's do your Corleone origin story with De Niro as a separate movie. And then we'll do your Michael Corleone follow-up as a separate movie. We'll split that in half and you have two hour and 40-minute movies. Yes. And then they make the monies. As we all know, that's what we want to do. We want to make the monies.

So, but this franchise for doing a two-hour before, that's interesting that they would let it go that long because you do get less butts in the seats because you get less chances to screen the movie. That's right. Just in a given day. Although, I mean, but now, I guess you're not really, but you would have been worried about it

when it was originally going to release that turnaround time. Well, I think the, you know, the broccolies have a certain amount of autonomy that other people don't and they care more about the quality of this. That's why there aren't TV shows of Bond and spin-off movies. And I think that they understand that this is the end of a pretty unique run of Bond films. I appreciate that. And so I hope that that means there's a good reason for it.

I also know that Carrie Fukunaga had quite a hand in writing the script. So I'm hopeful, as I always am. The only concern I have about this movie, as you know, Matt, I have perfect Whigdar. and both, I believe, I'll not be sworn on this until I see it, but I believe both MoneyPenny and Q are wearing wigs in this movie. Wait, what? That can't be. Go take a look.

Two MI6 wigs? Two MI6 wigs. This is out of control. So I get, oh, let's go to that shot where they open the doors. James. In his office. You don't know what this is. I believe I missed it.

I think it's maybe earlier. I'm the people. Become the weapon. Okay, well, that's the back of them. That's not going to help us very much. That's M. And then, I think, Moneypenny. But I think it might be the international trailer

where you see more of Q. Okay, so there's an international trailer. Okay, that's exciting. There it is. The third one down. Do you see it? Sorry. This one here?

If you go back. Oh, no. Top of on the right says it's 224. No time to die Final International. Whoa. Let me just bring that down a little bit. James. Take a look.

fate draws us back together. Okay, this is already a better trailer. I'm not watching clips of skyfall in Quadro Salas. Well, I think that was interesting too, which tells me there's quite a story to wrap up here, the fact that they're giving you a little primer on what happened in Casino Royale. That's, wow, look at that fucking Aston Martin behind M.

Is that in Aston Martin? Yes. Wow. That's like one of the, like, like, I think that's a I want to say it's a concept Martin but that looks a lot like their race

their F1 cars Hmm Us back together Now your enemy is my enemy This is a way better trailer already I'm a little jealous of the international audiences Do you want to just watch this one? Yeah

How did that happen? Well you live long enough That's weird I did tell the good from bad villains from heroes these days. Love that we're getting Felix. Oh my God. To be able to get into a room with the enemy.

Now that's just fritting in the ether. They love to you. Did you know that? What is it? You don't know what this is. Is she one of them? I don't know her at all. When her secret finds its way out.

We both eradicate people to make the world a better place. Where is stopping from? Where is that? I'm sorry, say that again. I'm just that accent. I'm wondering where he probably forgot to take out

his Freddie Mercury dentures and just ended up with that voice. Tide dear. I just want the world to be feeling Fat bottom you doubles. She's a disarming young woman. Have you ever flown one of these things before? Nope.

Come on. That looks like a wig to you? Not M. Oh. Q. If we don't do this, there will be nothing left to save. When you're ready? You're late.

Can I just have one nice evening, please, before the world explodes? I'd see it. I'm certain money money has a wig. And I'm fairly sure that Q does as well. That is a way better trailer for me. I mean, just as a personal standpoint of like, seeing the all the new footage. That's all new footage to me. Um, so what are your thoughts? What do you, what that looks like a better movie than the, than the American trailer, doesn't it?

Interesting. Is that just me? No, I think you're right. I think, yeah, for one thing, you're getting a little bit more of an overview of what's going on rather than just that kind of recap. But that to me, okay, so here's what it feels like. It feels like to me the American trailer is in love with the fact that this is the five movie arc. And the international trailer is showcasing, this is a James Bond movie. And is showcasing the idea of like James on a mission with some help from his pals and the Scooby gang, which is more, to me, more appealing just as, you know, by nature of the fact that like the formula of a James Bond movie is something that I fell in love with at a very

young age and have missed dearly since they've sort of swayed away from it. Yeah. And to that, I mean, you know, cold open action scene. James gets his new mission, goes off, you know, meets the villain. They dance around each other for a little while. James goes on a little, you know, side quest related to the guy, the bad guy, escapes some crazy situations and then winds up again, captured by the bad guy. to me that feels that that that that is like sitting in a in a leather chair with a nice glass of whatever your drink of pleasure is

that is very comforting strawberry quick strawberry quick or an orange valencia what is it oh yeah i forgot all about that. Oh my God. It's been so long. Yeah, it's the orange, Starbucks orange Valencia refresher. By the way, that is, I have the, I have our James Bonding poster hanging above the computer over here on the right. And when I look at the glass that has that drink in it, I laugh. I giggle at it. I think that that's the funny. To me, that's the funniest part of the poster. That's hilarious. Do you realize this podcast is also now nine years old? Holy shit. Right? We started in 2012. Yeah. Or was it early 2013?

No, we started... I think we started right after Skyfall, yeah. Matt, that's crazy. I know. That's really crazy. That is like... When I also, by the way, when I tell people, when people ask about podcast or whatever, and I say, yeah, I've been, you know, I've been podcasting for like 14 years, people are like,

what? I know. I know. And you, I think you have a year on me. right? Yeah, 15 for me. It's like, it is so funny that just podcasting now is somehow a career choice for people. It's crazy. That's, I mean, especially this household with Amanda. Yeah. We're just always podcasting here. It's insane. Well, I mean, that's the thing too of like Dory and I. Well, we had to, you know, we moved right before the pandemic. We moved in February to a slightly

bigger place because with Henry and the dog and Dory and I both podcasting, Dory and I shared an office in the old house. And it was like you had to like put in for time to use the studio. Yeah. We're that way now that we've got a nursery and we're going to have the garage converted. But until that's done, we split the house too. It's a, but like, yeah, the idea of like just people now like, I guess the idea of like our parents knowing what podcasts are. That's a real sign. Is that is just wild to me. They still don't listen, but they know what it is. No. No. My mother listens to my, I know this because I'll get like texts or Dory and I's podcast comes out on Sunday nights usually and I'll get texts on Monday or Tuesday where she references whatever

happened in the podcast and either tells me I was wrong about something I said about growing up or it'd be great if she was a James Bonding listener and she'd text you and be like, Cananga balloon is crazier than Pidge of Duppertang. It's not though. All right. Okay. Let's do this. Let's talk about our greatest hopes and fears for no time to die.

One of my great fears, I'm going to start with fears. Okay. One of my great fears for the movie is that the plot is too big for its britches. Yeah. I think I have a similar fear or that there's been through so many versions of a script if there were vestiges of the old one left over, they scrambled to make those work without really starting fresh and having a really strong, cohesive story. I'm hoping that's not the case. I just hope you don't see script revision written all over it, that it really is just a good story. Yes.

Because we know the acting will be there. I'm very confident the direction will be there visually. Yes, he's very talented. I'm actually, you know, I was a little worried about Hans Zimmer at first, but they've put out an official No Time to Die podcast and there was an interview with him. He seems so excited to be part of the bond canon and understand that you have to bring a fair amount of the old stuff with you. You can't just reinvent it.

That it has to be, if you're going to bring something new, it has to be coupled with a healthy dose of the familiar. And I was actually left that interview thinking he might be pretty good. That's promising. Yeah. That's promising. So the other, okay, so, okay, that was good.

So that was my, that was one worry from me, one worry from you. And I'll now switch off to a hope. I hope, I have a, I really do genuinely hope that the way we leave Daniel Craig's Bond character is satisfying. Yeah. And to that, I mean, I hope. I hope that he's, I hope that this James Bond stays true to this James Bond and doesn't try to take on any shades that weren't this James Bond. It's going to be a tricky landing to stick because one of the most satisfying endings, for some, some would disagree with this, is to do what they have now already done in Specter. They kind of gave you that.

And now they can't really repeat that. So what are the alternatives? It's either got to be a lot better or a lot worse probably. Yeah. And I'm not sure which is better. It's either, that's a hope and a fear for me. I mean,

you know, there is a chance that at the end of the movie, he finds the time to die. Oh, no, there's no time to die. We've been promised that. There's two hours and 43 minutes,

but not one second of that is time to die. What if the last 43 minutes of the movie were in a hospital ward showing everyone James had shot through the movie? And they all were making, they're all going to make it. But he's slowly dying of lupus. The idea of having this character, I'm trying to put this into words. This James Bond feels as though he has been treated

the most independently from all other James Bond. Definitely. of every of the of the of the how many six bonds six bonds well seven i mean i'm assuming you're including barry nelson uh actually peter sellers uh but this idea of like this james bond this is the james bond from 2005 to 2021 so we've had 16 years with daniel craig of james bond which for some 2006 technically i guess you mean since me he was cast Yeah.

Okay. Like, since he showed up on the Thames, looking uncomfortable in a life preserver and a suit. Gotcha. Because that's when they really start pushing him on people. Do you know what I mean? Like, that's when they're like, this is our James Bond. Here he is. So the idea of like, we've had this long with this guy and we've had only five movies come out.

That's crazy to me. The other thing that's crazy to me is just how. How much it seems like they're pushing this as a kind of an independent tale. These five movies seem to be independent from the other 20. That was that way from the get-go, but the minute they made Quantum of Solace a direct sequel. Yes, but I do wonder if there was no writer's strike, would that have been the case? Oh, yeah, I think that was always the plan, because the writer's strike happened at the end or during production. They were already shooting.

I know that they had to scramble, but that was always the idea. Part of me feels like a lot of the tie-ins to Casino Royale were like the stuff that the director and Craig were left to fill in. Maybe, but they definitely planned it to come right off the heels of that. I think that was something they announced fairly early. I mean, that movie did come out only two years after, which is crazy to think about now. crazy. It's so crazy. The fact that 20%

of Craig's Bond films came out in the first two years. No, 40%. Yeah. That's wild. That is wild. In a 16 year run, 40% of Craig's Bond films came

out in the space of two years. I think that that is so crazy to think about. We were really teased. Like, this was going to be the new normal. And like, it was great. We're back to the 60s, baby. You're getting a new Bond every couple of years.

I mean, you know, in the 60s, it was every year. But no one can keep that pace up. So, okay. So, yeah, my hope is a satisfying ending for Daniel Craig's character that is also tied in. I don't know. It doesn't have to be tied in to the other James Bond movies. It just has to sort of, I wanted to be able to exist in that universe. I know, and we've been through this before, I know how badly you want them to happen.

And you want those Asin Martins all to meld, but, yeah, Matt, I'm telling you, you have to let that go. This is its own world. What if in the post-credit sequence all the Asin Martens become one? Like Voltron? Yeah, and then we see a giant Sean Connery put the keys in the door. Ah! Okay, so, all right, now let's just get into more of your tinier. Let's go into more minutia hopes.

Okay. I'm hoping for some good gadgets. Yeah, I'm, I'm a, one more little concern is just the like, the little drop jet that flies underwater and the Batman cable shooting people up through the, the window. It's starting to get a little mission. impossibly for me, but I guess that's true. They have to answer to those movies now. A little bit. And that it's got to wreak havoc on Daniel Craig's knees. I think I am pretty hopeful and excited about just the Madeline Bond, whatever that story is weaving in with both Blofeld and Safin. Seems like it could be very interesting, especially I'm so thrilled Felix Lighter's

back, because it would be so wrong if the last Daniel Craig and they didn't have him. him. Jeffrey Wright is such a pleasure just to watch whenever he's in something. And he has been such a, I wish he was given more to do as Felix through this run. Yeah. But the idea of, like that, that bar conversation between the two of them, or they both look so fucking tired of it in the trailer. I think that's footage that you won't see in the film. They'll be that bar conversation, but I think they're using different takes. You know, that was from an early trailer, and they're always pulling takes that aren't in the film.

And I think any editor worth their salt will pull better delights than that. I'm with you, though. But to me, it's like, these are two beaten men, and I kind of want to see that conversation. Well, I just love that they're in Jamaica, and he's retired in Jamaica, and that you're getting some of that Fleming gold, too.

The idea of the, of the whole, the old school idea of Bond sort of operating autonomously like does do you feel like I really okay here's what I kind of hope I kind of hope they start the movie with a real like James Bond is like literally on a couch watching television

like he's just like really retire or he's on a golf course no I think I know what he's doing oh because they show a little something. What do they show? Well, they just show him walking on his own veranda with a long spear gun. And I think he's like spearfishing because that's very fleming. He's just spearfishing off of his that's not in this trailer. I love it. Well, they don't show them, they just show him. I get the feeling he knows someone's in his house and he's coming around. Oh. But one thing on Felix Lider, I was listening

to that podcast and they were talking to Jeffrey Wright. And I just love this about him. He said when Casino Royale came around, his agent said, hey, the new bond. film is interested in you and they want you to play a CIA agent. Is that anything you'd be interested? And he goes, wait a minute, CIA agent or Felix Lighter? Because if it's Felix lighter, tell them yes, basically. That's what he said. He's like, Jack Lord was the coolest ever. And, you know, I just, that's great. That is a spinoff I could, could take. Oh, sure. There's no question. Jeffrey Wright as Felix Lighter and a Felix Lighter spin off is just an idea. idea that they should run with.

I mean, they were trying, they were going to do it with Hallie Berry's character. Yeah, that's different. What a weird time. What a weird, if you, between the two bonds,

between Pierce Brosnan and Daniel Craig, what happened to the Broccoli and Wilson? What happened to Barbara and Michael? Where they just totally were like, we got to shift gears. I think they saw Batman begins, honestly. Yeah?

I saw the future of the next two decades of cinema. That's interesting. Let's make a prediction and see where we fall. Let's rank all five Daniel Craig movies and try to perceive where you think this will fall in those. So starting from worst to first. It's funny that I have to do this, but I'm going to have to put Spectre at the bottom. Me too. So our number five is each Spectre.

Yeah. I'm gonna, well, let's just do, let's just rank four and then we'll slot in no time. Okay. So at number four, I'll put Spector for sure. Then I would actually take Quantum of Solis and put that at three. I would too with the understanding that there's a huge gap between quantum and Spector and not as big a gap between Quantum and my number two. Right. Which we all know is Skyfall.

That's right. Look at this. We're right in line. And of course, what is most, almost universally the best James Bond movie. Let's just say it's the best movie ever made. Yeah, it's the best movie ever made. Casino Royale. It's the single best piece of entertainment ever to grace the eyeballs of a human being.

And that's with no hyperbole. I love movies where you think it's over three times. Ah, it's no Lord of the Rings, Return of the King. this one is each a gift. Wait, it's not over? There's more. That's what I think every time I watch it.

That's two hours and 24 minutes. So, yeah, that'll be said to think about it. Now, this, no time to die. Here's where I would love it to fall. I would love it to be right behind skyfall. I think that's maybe where it is. I do have a real soft spot for quantum.

So that's going to be personally tough to be. but I think it's going to fall in the middle, soundly in the middle. And I wanted to be a middle where you're like, well, you know, on any given day, it could shift places with Skyfall. Yeah, that'd be nice. You know what I mean? I just, I don't, look. Hell, I want it to be above Casino Royale. Right.

But that's just impossible because I think I might have covered this a minute ago. Casino Royale is the finest piece of entertainment ever to be witnessed by human eyeballs. It really is. It really is such a well-crafted cinematic masterpiece that all other films now, obviously. They become TV. Yeah. They just become, it's not TV. It's HBO. I think that the, all right, I'd like a little more explanation of the DB5, maybe in this movie, but that's beside the point. Well, you know you're getting also the Living Daylights, Asin Martin, in this. Really?

Yes. That's not in the trailer? And I believe the Honor Majercese as well. You're getting one if not both of them. Yeah, I forget, which I saw both of those at the... You know what I would like? Sorry, not the Honor Majesty's. I saw the Living Daylights one.

I always forget, which is the vantage and which is the Volante or whatever. The Volante is the Living Daylights convertible. it's a convertible isn't it no it has a ski rack yeah no it has skis doesn't have a ski rack or does it have a ski rack I think it has a rack I don't think it has skis I don't remember yes whatever the there the volant is a convertible if there's any new listeners we've long said we're lovers not experts correct uh now do you think he's going to open a garage door in jamaica and have them all sitting there No You're so confident in that

No he's giving that up You think so Well I think he I think he like I think every year The double O's get together And they're given a Christmas present by M And he always forgets to shop for James

So he has to just go down to the quartermaster And see what they got No The fact that you see the DV5 in Matera, Italy tells me it's not getting shipped from Jamaica to Italy. Well, then he could have the other three over there in Jamaica. I think you see the, it's either the advantage of the Volante in London. Man, you're really raining on my car parade. Hey, you're getting your cars.

You're getting more than you normally. Plus, there's the new Aston Martin that Lashana Lynch drives in this. My literal, like, ticker tape parade. I would like to see James Bond waving from each Ascent Martin in a word. All six bonds in six different Asin Martins down the Chicago Street while Ferris Bueller sings twist and shout. Oh, nothing would make me happier. This is the first one we've recorded since Sean Connery passed.

Yes. So he joins, of course, Roger Moore in James Bond Heaven. Yeah, that's right. In my 6 retirement home. Which will be populated hopefully one day by me. I'm not sure how I'm going to get there. I'd be an orderly in the house. I'd just wear scrubs and give them their medication.

I'd be the guy who cleans the mink gloves. I'd be the guy that soils the mink gloves. You can't just put a mink glove in a washing machine. We all know. That's true. You've got to really take care with your minks. It has to be licked clean by other minks. you just open a door.

There's one room that's just full of other minks. You toss it in and then you got to retrieve it. That's the hard part. But, yeah, I'm excited about the movie. I'm happy with that international trailer, more impressed with it than I was with the American trailer. And I don't know. I mean, the idea of a, like,

that scene in the Aston Martin, where Matt, Dylan's like, hey, wake up, bud, kind of a thing. That's kind of a bummer to me. Really? I like that. Well, I just, I just have like, this James Bond really, every movie at some point just gives up. I mean, he's a complex character. He really, dealing with trauma.

And who knows what the context there is? Obviously, he's angry at her for something. I don't know if that's in that moment. Maybe he's infected. I don't think that's at that point yet. I think he's trying to either prove a point or he's feeling kind of, yeah, like you said, like he's given up, but she's snapping him out of it and then he does donuts with mini guns in the car.

Come on. No time to die. I haven't got a second to die on all life. He's in the suit that he's in when he reads the forgive me note. Yep. So it's probably post note. Yep. And the note really bummed him out.

Yep. And he's so sad about the note that he doesn't want to do any pew-pues with his rum-v-room. Pew-pues with the broom-vroom. If this movie doesn't have a bunch of pew-pues with the room-vroom, that's what I fear. I just, I want to see what this is. Okay, so the letterhead here. Looks like hotel letterhead. Lots of, is there a chance that that's Vesper?

No. Vesper's handwriting? No, because if. If I know what I think I know, I think I understand what this is. Oh, that's interesting. I wish I didn't know what I may know. You really seem to be plugged in, Matt, in a way that I just don't understand. I don't know how you got there.

I don't either, honestly. I didn't mean to. Was it through Conan? What's happening to you? Oh, you mean like these bits of information? These little trickles of information, these premier tickets, these bonded motion before it opens. Those, yeah, I think, are coming. because they know I do a bond podcast,

but they came through Conan channels. This is out of control. I really feel left out. I'm sorry. I actually tried. I tried so hard to get a second ticket to that period. By the way, I'm going by myself because I can't get more than one.

That is incredibly. Well, that's, oh, that's very sweet. And you should know that if that opportunity came up on my end, that second ticket would also be for you. But the idea of like, going to the premiere on your own solo.

Do you want to do this? Yeah, I do. Just see it early? Oh, yeah, yeah. I actually have found going by myself to movies that I care a great deal about is a good experience. I did that with Rogue One at like 8 a.m. on a Sunday morning and I loved it. And I think they'll be distanced. You'll have a mask on.

So you're just going in anonymous. And it's, yeah, and it's also at noon. Oh, that's great. Yeah. And now, again, this is a huge caveat that I just don't know nerve-wise if I'm going to be able to do this. Because I don't want to go if I'm worried. Oh, you know, you'll know in the morning. You'll know in the morning how you're feeling.

I guess. I went to see Phantom Menace knowing I had to rush out of there for a callback for a commercial. And this was just, I was a young man. So you're like, you're so nervous about that kind of thing. And now I want to told him to go fuck themselves. But it colored how much I. enjoyed the movie. Turns out that's a fantastic movie. Just kidding. I was, no, but I don't want to be worried about it. I only want to go if I'm going to feel at peace. Otherwise, I have tickets for the

sixth and the eighth, and I figure one of those will work out. Yeah. Okay. I mean, look, I'm, I think in the morning, you'll have, you'll have such a better idea of where Amanda's at. Yeah, I'm on that day. And then, like, you might be in a situation where you're like, the doctor's like everything's cool nothing really you know she's probably going to be okay for X amount of days and then then you'll probably be like okay I can do this

yeah just keep your phone on you know well regardless you and I I think will be back right for our thoughts at some point hopefully in October James bonding is always something that you don't know how much you miss it until

it's gone for a little while yeah and then you're like oh my God I've missed talking about this character that should be completely outdated, but we still love. My friend. A pleasure, as always. And as we always say, James Bonding. We'll return.