James Bonding - Nobody Did it Better: Roger Moore Tribute

Episode Date: June 7, 2023

Matt and Matt say goodbye to their favorite Bond. Joining them for this special episode is Brith.Movies.Death's resident Bond, Phil Nobile Jr. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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ahead of time. Oh. Right. Oh, you're going to say, wait a minute. We took different things from this. We thought we'd save ourselves some work and get a little ahead of the game because God knows it was dry as a remainder biscuit after a voyage as far as Bond news goes. But then as soon as we started recording three weeks ahead, all this stuff comes trickling in.

Yeah, as you remember last week, we gave you a 20-minute interlude in the middle of the podcast to discuss news that had happened, and we thought for sure we were going to be just fine with this lovely Roger Moore tribute we're about to deliver you. That's right. Yes.

Next week, the movie will probably be out, Bond 25, the way this is going. Just shocking. I mean, really, I think what this means is that the Bond franchise needs us. Definitely. They can't do anything without us recording. Right. I mean, I think that's, the evidence is there.

I have yet to see evidence to the contrary. So with that in mind, I guess we just have to keep doing this podcast. We're ever going to get another James Bond movie. That's true. I understand. And keep it Daniel Craig, which is what this little insert is all about. As of today, it hasn't come officially from, from, 07.com itself, but all of the major newspapers are reporting that Daniel Craig is back for two more films. This is absolutely crazy, guys.

We did not have any inkling that this was going to happen, but it has happened twofold. I can't believe it. So we're seeing reports from everyone from the Guardian to the Independent to Forbes to the Daily Mail.

So it's been reported in enough places that Matt and I felt like, hey, we should get on and mention it. We're not dumb-dums. We know about the news. Yeah, this isn't some shatterhand rumor. This is real stuff. This is real stuff. So what you're going to hear is we talk to our guests, Phil Nobiel Jr., who's amazing.

We talked to our guests all about the great Roger Moore. And afterwards, we ask him a little bit of like, hey, what's going on with this news? Is there any news out there? And at the time, there wasn't a ton. So this little update for you is we know. Yes. And then other than that, it's just up for us to do our conjecture on not what this one Daniel Craig Bond movie will be about, but what two movies? Are they going to continue the through line of the story?

Are they going to play a little bit more like Skyfall did outside of the sandbox or what's going to happen? We'll tackle that as we think of it in future episodes, I guess. And we have some weird rumors about how much. much he's getting paid for these two movies. And right now, the figure I've been seeing out there is he's getting $150 million to do both of these movies. Jeez. That's about what we're getting for this podcast. Yeah, thereabouts, give or take about $150 million. Yeah, I mean, just this episode. I mean, we are here only to make millions of dollars.

That's how, that's why anyone is in podcasting. Here's an article in The Guardian that says Daniel Craig should quit while he's ahead as Bond, but the kind of the case they're making is Connery didn't and he paid the price, but they're talking more about never say never again, which isn't fair. I think even Diamonds or Forever isn't a fair comparison because Connery stepped away both times and came back. There was an in-betweener. That's what you're forgetting. And so far we've had Daniel Craig, and Dan Craig's only 49 years old.

And I think what we're all forgetting is that 2017-49 and 1986-49 are very different. Yes, and I will also back that up by saying if we're taking like the trajectory of the previous bond, specifically Roger Moore, because he went seven films, Spector is your moonraker, and we are due for a four-year-eyes-only. And then, even better for my money in Octopacy, to close. it out. I am immensely excited about this news. I love it and I think that it's great because what it will allow for this, for our beloved Daniel Craig to do is to really say goodbye. And if they're going to do on Her Majesty's Secret Service, that's going to really allow him to do what, what Sean Connery couldn't do. You start diamonds or forever with, you know, him going after Blofeld. But, you know,

It's really got no through line whatsoever with Honor Majesty's Secret Service. Yeah, I think they're going to keep Blofeld as the main villain and kill him in the second one, but they'll probably have a secondary villain, like some Spector head number seven or whatever. And they'll really be able, I think we'll see some, like, great acting from Daniel Craig, too. If, you know, Madeline Swan is somehow dispatched or whatever, I don't know. I think we're in for some exciting times. He's got the chops. He's got the chest.

He's got the look. It's Daniel Craig, everybody. All right. I think that about sums it up. All right. Without further ado, everyone, here is your long promised Roger Moore tribute.

Hey, everybody. Welcome back to James Bonding. That's right. We're sitting here with a guest that I think has been a long time coming as someone to appear on this show. We have here today, Phil. It's noble, right?

It's nobiel. Nobiel. See, now this is... Whoa. This is news. Because Hot scoop. Phil and I

specifically have never met face to face, though we've been online friends for quite a while. What I feel like is when John McLean meets Al

at the end of Die Hard. And I'm not saying Are you afraid of killing kids? Is that the problem? Well, he may be John McLean. I could be Al. I thought he was

McLean in this story. I don't think that's necessarily true. Because also I think Phil is whatever we do over here with James Bonning on the West Coast.

You're like the East Coast rep. He writes for birth, movies, death, and he handles all the Bond news there. He's incredibly knowledge about this stuff, and not only knowledgeable, but insightful. You should Google his article on Casino Royale. It's one of the best things on Bond I've ever read for written. By the way, I write everything for Phil. I am not real. Thank you.

That's very nice of you to say. I feel like Charlie Buckets right now, or maybe the little Filipino guy who got to be the lead singer for Journey. This is something. I've been listening to you guys for a while. I didn't like your podcast at first. Well, that's not. I understand. I was in a cranky, bonded, serious mood. And at that time,

and I learned to kind of not take Bond so seriously, in a large part, thanks to this podcast. I'm glad to be here in person to thank you guys for that. It's nice that you can fully appreciate. What I hope comes across in this podcast is that Matt and I, at the end of the day, we love James Bond. We do. We'll have some fun.

with it. To the ends of the earth. Always take it too seriously. But honestly, especially what we're going to talk about tonight, it was never really asking to be taken too seriously at some areas. And that's on them. Yes. That's really on them. But we truly like you, Phil. We love it. Phil right now is wearing the watch from Skyfall. It's the Omega Planet Ocean. Phil is the only other human I know that has a powder blue Terry cloth goldfinger play suit. I do. Yeah. And I got it from a lovely lady on Etsy. And then I I took it to my teller. Oh, you really went for it.

One of the strangest conversations I've ever had in my life. I can imagine. I said, I need you to bring it up so that if I wasn't wearing anything underneath, my scrotum would be hanging out of it. And he looked at me strangely, and he charged me 50 bucks, and we got on with our lives and agreed to never speak. But are you looking at you strangely, or was there a twinkle in his eye where he said, finally. Why I got into the business. I've been looking to accentuate the man's scrotum for years. Yeah.

And finally. This young boy who wants to play as James Bond. I don't know why he has an accent, but he does. It's a South Philly Italian accent, but... Ah! You can do that. Forget it! You want you to see your balls, I got you.

Try this Philly cheese steak. Right? Well, he's not dice. But, you know... He's just name-checked to the state, and its biggest gross domestic product? Well, I said Philly. Wait, is I named its capital. Okay.

And then... Capital is Harrisburg, but okay. It's... I named it... It's... I named what it's... It should be capital. All of our authority and credentials have already gone out the window and we haven't even spoken about bonds. For a second, let's just talk about Pennsylvania.

Why is Philadelphia not the... Why is it not the capital? I don't know. Why is Sacramento the capital of California? He raises it. Why is Albany? Port. Why is Chene the capital of New Jersey?

Fuck New Jersey. Yeah. Well, that hurts. He lives in New Jersey. Listen, the guy's going to Philly, though, to Taylor. He's not getting his tailoring done in Trenton. No, what I'm not an animal. Well, look, we're happy to have you here, Phil.

It was right to have you the first one in this round. I'm honored to be here. I'm sad you never got in the last round, but, you know, we're going to have to reserve a movie for you. Oh, we are. I feel like you'll, in some way, be a regular correspondent even if we have to Skype in with you on certain things, especially as Bond news unfolds because you've got your plugged in, you got your finger on the pulse. Whenever that might be. I know.

It's a drought out there. It feels like there should be something by now. I have a theory. Oh, it's not my theory. Let's talk about the theory. They are hanging back on any Bond 25 stuff. They're letting Trump get out of office first? Well, that would be wonderful.

There's a theory that they're going to let Daniel Craig have his Logan Lucky moment before they start obscuring that with Bond news. Uh-huh. And I hope that's true. I think no news is good news because if he knew for sure he didn't want to come back, I think he would have said, well, I think he'd also go like, I'm not going to hold you up, go. But I think it's a dance of his. him saying, I need more time to recoup because clearly it takes it out of him doing it. And

the producers saying, like, let's not totally push him right now. And the longer he gets from the last film, the more he probably romances it and goes like, all right, that wasn't so bad. So I think there's a good chance of him coming back for a little more. And there's one other bit of evidence when Roger Moore passed, Daniel Craig's goodbye was sent from the 007 Twitter account. Like that. It was a picture and a note from Daniel Craig and it was sent from that account. He's still part of the family.

Maybe he runs the Twitter account. What if he did? I could not see a personality type in life that less would be likely to be running an official Twitter account for anything. Well, speaking of the passing of Roger Moore, that is the sad occasion that brings us here on the opening episode of our...

Are we calling this a second season? This is James Bonding Season 2, yes. Let's call it season 2. This is the Lazyzee. The lazy years. This is our... So it's one episode. One and done.

And then we're into Roger Moore. And then we're back to our old format. So what were your initial feelings? By the way, I should mention this happened on my birthday. His death. Yeah. Yeah, it was, uh... It hit me like, uh, you're always expecting it.

You were always, I was always, felt fortunate. I was like, oh, all the bonds were still alive. It always felt like a thing. You don't get that. Like, your Beatles are only half alive. You're not all your stones or... You're... there, you know, who else?

You don't have all of Led Zeppelin. You don't have all of the who. Yeah. These people burn out. That's right. A lot of Star Wars actors have passed on, you know. And you think of a hard living archetype. You think of a James Bond actor.

And the fact that they were all still with us was a surprise. I have to admit, I thought it would be Conner, even though he's a few years younger than more. Of course. But he still has tennis to keep him vibrant. Is that what he's doing? He goes to tennis matches. He goes to watch them. He just sits there and like pumps his fist from.

Andy Murray. That's what he does. I didn't know that. Yeah. But he's so low-key. Roger Moore was so out there, such a public presence. He was on Twitter, not like Daniel Craig. I know. Very true. And so it was a shock because he seemed so vital still. Yeah. He also seemed like a... He seemed

more like James Bond, I think, than the other actors in the sense of how he liked his free time and how he chose to evade taxes and move to a beach location. and have multiple marriages. And just, I felt like he was living his life to the fullest, the most Bondian.

He's certainly the actor that embraced the role and the lifestyle the most. Absolutely. And Ward is a badge of honor, which I always respected. Now, you said certainly, and Phil's phone thought you said, hey Siri. And what? Let's see what it responds to. Oh, you have a British Siri. Oh, yes.

This is unbelievable. I'll tell you what, there is something to read, because I want to read to you, just a little excerpt from a wonderful article in the New York Times written by A.O. Scott, which was a bit of a eulogy for Roger Moore for a certain generation. And he was talking about generation extras. So it goes like this. I grew up being... Hang on. I'm going to play a little bedding music of nobody does it better. That's nice.

You guys can't hear this, but the audience loves it. We can hear it. Oh, you can. I'm not plugged in. You guys can hear this. Uh-oh. Say what you will about the James Bonding podcast, but our tech work has never been paralleled. Oh, now it sounds amazing. Believe me.

I grew up being reminded at every turn that Sean Connery was the better bond, the quote, real bond. As if such ridiculous Anglo-American Cold War confection could stake any kind of claim to authenticity. The Conner consensus seemed like part of a larger baby boomer conspiracy to bully people my age into believing that everything we were too young to have experienced firsthand was cooler than what was right in front. front of our eyes. We've been struggling against that ever since, which is why we invented so much of the cool stuff that everyone takes for granted now. Back in the 70s and 80s, the older 007 installments, especially Goldfinger for some reason, showed up reliably on television, but for me they could never match the sublime, ridiculous thrill of seeing The Spy Who Love Me, Moonraker for Your

Eyes Only, and Octopussy on the big screen. Those movies were heavenly trash, with plots you didn't really need to follow, and sexual innuendo that struck my young eyes and ears as deliciously risque. There were radio-friendly pop songs and over-the-top action sequences. Mr. Moore exerted himself heroically, grappling with villains atop a moving train, chasing them down ski slopes or into outer space. His unflappable suavit accompanied by an occasional smirk or upward twitch of the eyebrow. He knew exactly how silly these endeavors were, but he was committed to them all the same. He was an ironist and a professional, and as such a pretty good role model for post-60s pre-adolescence. Mr. Connery brought a rough sexual swagger to Ian Fleming's fantasy of British masculine competence.

Later, Daniel Craig would bring a pouty, wounded prettiness. His 21st century, 007, is at pains to seem sensitive, ambivalent, woke. But Mr. Moore's blithe efficiency has always struck me as a truer expression of the Bond ideal. He was, by his own admission, an actor of modest gifts, which made him perfect for the role, at least as far as I'm concerned. My James Bond is not macho compensation for lost imperial power. like Mr. Connerys, or an anxious avatar of globalization like Mr. Craig. He is a cartoon superhero in an evening wear, a man whose mission is to embody and therefore to transcend a second-hand, second-rate age, to be cool and clever in a world determined to be

as lame and dumb as possible. Nobody did that better than Roger Moore. I mean, did it play at that time? Lovely. See? We did a great job. Marvin Hamlisch is up there sitting, having an Americano with Roger Moore. Marvin. That was beautifully said. Wasn't that well written?

I had not read that. I'm going to fade this out like a cool dude. And that's true because he, you know, we're all within a certain age range. I think, was Brosnan Moore your guy? Brazen it was more in my wheelhouse of youth. But again, I had the back catalog of VHS to keep me up to date. Moore was when I saw Octopus as our first theatrical bond. That's right.

Yeah. Yeah. I think what that was beautifully said, and it's hard to add to it, but what you have to really give Roger more credit for it was taking over a role as iconic as it was when one guy had failed, kind of. Yeah. And like that's the mark of an icon. He brought it. He made it his own.

He didn't try to imitate another guy, and he bent it to his own personality rather successfully. And, like, that's not something that had happened before. in terms of iconic roles that were recast. And it's hard to do now. Yeah. I think. Yeah. There's a scrutiny to a recasting on that level that he, you know, escaped on skates.

You've got to give him props for. And it's also, like, hard to think about other roles that are as iconic as James Bond. It's a franchise now that's been going for 50 plus years. It's something that has been with, you know, generationally with males in a family. I feel like it's something that's passed down. like, you know, before you're old enough to drive, let me show you this guy. Yeah, it's basically like in the old days that father would take the son out hunting from the cave, and now they just show them a bond film, you know.

Now they probably not because, Indiana Jones would be the only analogous thing I could imagine because to me, I feel like I would fall in that baby boomer role of if you recast that role, I am such a Harrison Ford fan of that character. I can't imagine. I know there have been people posited to go into that role, like Chris Pratt and stuff. And I won't say anything against him, but still, it wouldn't feel right. But how he did it. I mean, it may have been the combination of how he made it his own and that Lazy's and B failed that set it up for him.

I always give Lazybee credit for taking the bullet. Yeah, he really did. Yeah, he was first on the beach. Do you think it made it, do you think that made it easier for more? Yeah, a little bit. Yeah. I think somebody had to take that bullet. But think about the next guy's going to play Wolverine.

Right. Yeah. One guy played it for 18 years. Now where it's, Lays and Bee sort of had to be the palate cleanser. Let's all remember that Dougree Scott was going to take that role and then decided to do Mission Impossible 2. How's Doug Gray? Is it Doug Gray? I always thought it's due gray.

You know what? Either way. The point is, I would know if he had taken the role of it. Yeah, that's right. We don't know. These days, he'll answer to you. So do you have? of a favorite Roger Moore moment.

I mean, I know there are many, but I'm just trying to think. You mean, in the films? In the films, yeah, Bond. He is unique in the fact that what we both have decided are the two worst moments in the history of Bond happened on his watch. That's right. If you're just joining us, we still have, I still, I think I probably lost the hashtag battle, but I will maintain that Cananga inflating and Blum,

popping like a balloon is worse than the pigeon double take. Solely because the pigeon double take is intended as comedy. It is, but it also is physically impossible, and it's a pigeon triple take. Okay, fine, but it is physically impossible to inflate like a balloon and slowed up. Have you tried it? It's just the idea that a pigeon would even acknowledge this boat that's driving. Looker right back into it. I know, I know.

Phil, where do you fall on this? I'm just grateful to witness the magic at the moment. And I'm thankful that I live in a world where I don't have to choose one or the other areas. Oh, come on. Well, here's the thing about Roger Moore. And why I was so cranky about him for a while is that all of Roger Moore's iconic moments were stuntmen. It's like Willie Bogner. Right.

That's true. Yeah. So in his passing, you have to sort of step back and say, what was really his moment that was the long time that he owned? Well, I think it's knocking a child out of a boat. Or slapping mod Adams. Like, yeah. It's funny you should say that about the stuntman thing because I put on view to a kill the other day, because it was Tuesday.

And that opening sequence is, I love the opening sequence. But Roger Moore literally never steps foot in snow. Everything they go to him is close-ups in studio. And so it is 90% stuntman and not even for stunts. Just like mildly jogging up a hill. That's why they had that fur-lined hoodie. But that's part of what I love about it. I think that my favorite moment of his,

I just think him in the capsule at the end of the spy who loved me when he's being gawked at by Q and M. Those are his best moments. All the ending lines are pretty great. He's just such a, he by then is James Bond, and he by them has turned, by that point, he has turned James Bond into Roger Moore. Yeah.

A naughty schoolboy thing. Yeah. He gets caught doing something and he just sort of acknowledges it. I watched Spy You Love Me and for your eyes only back to back when they did the Ceph charity screenings, and he's got a moment in both of them that I kind of, it's a signature Roger Moore, and it's not like one is bigger than the other, but when someone is trying to kill him and he looks out the window and gives them a little like sort of neighborly nod. Oh, to the woman in the helicopter and Spy Who Love Me, right?

Yes, Carol Monroe in there. Oh, yeah. And then the guys when he's driving around the Citron. I also think like when he's fighting off the advances of a 14-year-old ice skater, it's really, that's Roger Moore for me. You know what? I love the... I love the backgammon scene in Octopus,

because I do think that's a nice little equally matched moment, Battle of the Wits chess game. I mean, not literally, but I really like that whole scene. Yeah, it's almost as iconic as when Sean Connery's playing that video game. It's never saying never again. Would have been playing in the theater next door. They're probably right around the same time in the film, too. Yeah, I always, though, think of Roger.

more as the, you know, some people think it was to bond's detriment that more made it so campy. But I also think that for the time, for the 70s and the 80s, I just feel like that was the bond we needed. Yeah, because everything else was pretty gritty in the 70s. You know, you watch the French connection. And you're like, God, this is great, but it's really intense and then you've put on the spy who love me and it's like ha yeah but don't you want some level pine for what a gritty 70s bond might have been like yeah yeah

that's true yeah I do but I'm okay with what we got yeah oh I have no regrets for the Roger Moore years I I put them on probably I probably watch his bond more than anyone and I'm thinking about it I do solely due to one movie We'll get to it. We'll get to that.

We're going to rank the Roger Moore films. Should we just move into that? Yeah, I mean, yeah, we'll talk about all of his entire James Bond run while we go through these movies. We will, and then we have a little treat where Phil brought his copy of Roger Moore's book, Live and Let Die. And it has some wonderful insights in there. Phil, you might remember if you follow Matt or I on Twitter, is the man who brought to our attention, brought to our attention, this book

that is just filled with Roger Moore being a lunatic. Yeah. Roger Moore. So here's the format. We sort of established this format in the music episode, the music of James Bond. This is trademarked, by the way.

This formula. Trademarked. We came up with. Mac Orley, Matt Myra, 2016. We're bringing it out again. Was that 2016 when we did that? Yeah, we did that. in December, right?

Didn't we do it over Christmas break? I felt like we did. We're home from college. We're back, guys. We're back in action. So here's the deal. We have asked our guest, Phil, to rank their favorite

James Bond movies. Matt and I have done the same. You asked me to do this 10 minutes ago. We did. We all made our list. Matt did text us both a few hours ago. Yeah.

I was in the middle of network notes with my showrunner, so I was typing on me my Apple Watch. But honestly, for us, it should be something if someone put a gun to your head and said rank the Roger Moore movies, you should be able to just rattle them off. Absolutely be able to do that.

So we're going to rank our movies, and we are not going to talk about a movie until it has been mentioned by all three parties. And we go from worst to first, and not that there is a worst Roger Moore movie. They only just get better. Yes. There's the least favorite to most favorite.

And this is our subjective favorite picks that you'll see, especially in some of my picks, some of the films are objectively better or worse than I may rank them. Totally. So I guess we'll start first. The guest gets to divulge this information first. Sorry. What is your least favorite of the Roger Moore movies? Okay. We're just talking favorite.

Which one do you pop in the least? Yeah. I'm going to go Moonraker. Moonraker. Interesting answer. Now we're going to have to give that one mark because it has been mentioned by one of the parties. Now, Matt Goreley.

Well, I'm going to go The Man with the Golden Gun. Whoa, that is very surprising. Really? Now, my answer is for your eyes only.

That is the Bond movie. I watch the least. Also, I'm not putting what I watch the least. I'm just saying favorite. least favorite. I think that's a brave choice because I think you're going to catch hell for that, but I'm with you. But I think it's, honestly, it's one that I'm like looking at the, you know,

opening this delightful box set and I go, hmm, what am I going to pop in today? Yeah. That one is never selected. No, same here. It might suffer from the fact that it's on a page with another of our favorite movies, but I just, I'm like, no. We'll talk about it. Yeah. Okay. So

number six. The second least favorite from all of us. We have a, We have one for your eyes, only one for Moonraker and one for the man with the golden gun. Let's flip the order. I will go first. My second least favorite Roger Moore James Bond movie

is Moonraker. Interesting, yes. Since we're going in reverse, a counterclockwise fashion, Mr. Matt Goreley. Let's talk Moonraker. Ooh. Now, I like this movie, and I watch it a fair amount. But it's bonkers.

We did it. We got to one already. It's bonkers. It is 18 movies in one. It is endless. It is mistake after mistake. Holly Goodhead. I think the most egregious James Bond name. Maybe.

Yeah. I think there's no effort into that bond. Well, we did figure out that Sylvia Trench was under the radar pretty bad, but subtle. Subtle. subtle because it took us 35, 40 years to figure out that that was a horrible, horrible derogatory name for a female. But Holly Goodhead, I think, is lazy. Yeah, I think so too, yeah. And let's, I mean, let's talk about the villain.

I think this is, this results from the James Bond problem that happens throughout the years. I think every five years or so, a James Bond movie is the result of what is popular in cinema. at the time. And they're like, hey, we should do that. We have this great character. Let's put them in something. And, you know, this is in the 70s. This is after the massive success of Star Trek, the motion picture.

I'm kidding. Star Wars. And it's just their sort of attempt to do a space bond movie. And they, what do we have at that time? We have a shuttle. We have a shuttle that, you know what? I've got to be honest with you guys, it was not designed to leave low Earth orbit. This thing is not going to that space thing.

It doesn't matter. You're going to Neil deGrasse Tyson this movie? I'm going to knock it on that point. I love that opening. I love where the shuttle takes off. Laser guns. The airplane. Laser guns.

It's brilliant. It's a total rehash of prior Bond movie. Twice. Yeah. It is really, what's the villain's name? Dr. Hugo Drax. Hugo Drax.

And he's low energy, but I like him too. I like his just dry delivery. That has one of my favorite, Roger Moore moments. Is it when they're hunting? Yes, that is a great one. When they're out hunting and he just pops the guy who's got a sniper rifle trained on him. That's a nice little moment. And then there's this hammer horror moment where these dull-bomins tear a part of woman in slow motion.

Yes. Odd. Yeah. My problem with Moonraker is if they committed to a Bond in Space movie, I think it would probably be in our top three. But it's just a full-length Bond movie where he's wandering around city to City. And then the last half hours in space. Yeah. That's...

It is the... It suffers the most from... Clearly, the producers and production designer went on a globe-trotting scouting session and went, little of that, little of that, little of that, and figure out a way to put them together. Because I want to go to these places. He also holds a pigeon double-tick. Yeah. That's a Glenn, right?

That's a John Glenn movie. John Glenn. No, it's a Lewis Gilbert. Is it? Yeah. Oh, Glenn did all the stunt, the second unit. I think John Glenn might have edited it. He did.

Oh, yes. Which is why I blame him for the pigeon double-tick. He probably did the second unit. I knew it was in my head for some reason. I was blaming John Glenn for some reason, and that was it. And of course, I'm not referring to John Glenn, the late-grade astronaut who would have probably helped on that movie. Yes. I'm referring to John Glenn, the stunt coordinator turned editor.

I think he's the editor. Yeah, he was the editor. And I think he did some second unit stuff and then got to be director on the... He was in the family. Like, he was just in the... machine in the broccoli machine. So, I think we've set our piece on Moonwaker, and now we need to hear...

I do watch it fairly. It's one that if it's on... Then again, if there is a James Bond movie on, I'd stop and watch it. Now, Phil, we need to know your second least favorite, Roger Moore movie. It's View to a kill. I feel like we're just not talking about this one for a while. View to a kill.

This is unbelievable that you would say such a thing. It's very believable. I understand it, but it's just... I have a reason. All right, we'll get there. We'll get there. Okay, so now, since we are going again in reverse order, we're going to start with Phil, your third least favorite.

Okay. Then I'll just go up to the next one and say Octopus, I think. Octopussy! Phil, we are just so far apart on things. I can't even understand what's happening. All right, I will say my... This is now the third least favorite. I have live and let die on here.

Really? Yes, I do. Boy, Roger Moore films are a litmus test for how different three human beings can be. And I think we're discovering that Moonwreck is the only thing that brings us together. Yeah, United. So far. Wow. Okay.

My third. He's going to get his little list now on here. Is not going to be popular. Uh-huh. The spy who loved me. Whoa. That is just egregious on so many levels. I know.

I know. Don't. You do not need to write in. on our opinions. You can write in for other happy, fun reasons. Yes, again, these are opinions. Yeah. These are not fact.

We hope that you at home have your own opinions. In fact, we stated this before when we've done this podcast, but I think one of the best things about the Bond series is that it is so varied and there's something for everyone to like in these movies. And so you shouldn't get mad at the differences. You should celebrate the differences. Unless you like a Brosnan. When you have the life sentence of being a Bond fan, you're grateful for the variety.

Yes, it's true. They're watching 24 movies and semi-regular rotation. It's nice when they're different from each other. Yeah, let me ask you this. When you go to put the Star Wars on, you've got a lot less choices. Totally. Your palate is limited. Here, it's a golden table buffet.

Have you added the Force Awakens into your rotation? Yeah? Yeah. Although I liked Rogue One More, but I don't rewatch it as much. I liked Rogue One More as well. I also don't rewatch it as much. I saw them both in the theater and never watched them again. Wow.

I don't know what that said for me. Agreed. I also saw them both in the theater never watched them. Oh really? I've watched them a bunch. A bunch.

I'm a real homebody and I like television. I'm going to tell you Matt, when we were discussing doing this podcast again, we sort of just landed on the fact that we both

we like to be home but Matt likes to be home a lot. I do. I do. Matt has built a home with his own two hands like a real man. I know.

I'm so jealous when I see his social media like just creating his domain this is it's insane it's it's almost as though he has a large-scale planer and he's chopping trees and getting lumber it's it's just it's not what I would have guessed it's unbelievable no with the leather door son of a bitch well I didn't do that that was I was too I cared too much but you were wise enough to have some professional do it at Lanzetti lanzetti upholstery in Pasadena check him out he's great I guess I have to go over there and say I want the

Matt gorely he'll give it to you do I say I want the Matt gorely do I say I want the M. I say the Matt Gourley because I don't think he's still fully understand he's from a James Bond movie. He's never done it before or since. He didn't get the same story

my Taylor did about the No twinkling his eye. Hey, you coming in here for a door? Hey, I got a door right here. I want about an inch and a half from the ground so you can seize my scrotums. And I mean seize it with a Z. So, Matt, we're going back to you.

And then I should check. Okay, I'm going to go on the board with four your eyes only. Four Your Eyes Only has two on the board. Dang. We're coming back this way, Phil. Mark it for your eyes only. Whoa. It's like hitting a bonus in a slot machine.

Yeah. In fact, this diagram I'm doing looks like one of those complicated. Looks like you're a crazy person. How many pay lines do we have? It's so many. Let's talk about For Your Eyes Only. It's a return to base level for Bond after Moon Raker. Yeah.

Down to Earth literally. Yeah, and below sea level. Yeah, that's right. So far down to Earth. We see one of Roger Moore's most serious dramatic moments in kicking the car over the edge, something he was not comfortable with. I mean, if you can kick a Citrian off a cliff, why not? Yeah.

If it's got a warrants Yvon look like in it all straight. Why didn't Warren Zeevon do a Bond song? And I'm not joking. That would have been amazing. That would have been great. Ah, ooh, James Bond in London. Ah, ooh! That's a great thing.

Redundant statement. That's the first one we get to see computer work happening. That's right. I love that. See, there is a lot to like about this film. Again, we are only talking about how they rank lower than what we are. already love because I love some stuff in this movie. It is,

um, it's, there is a lot of, uh, Q headquarters. You get a, you get a, you get a mobile Q headquarters,

which I always enjoy seeing. Yeah, you get a little Jeremy Bullock in the background, Boba Fett. When did they give Q a support staff? Is this the first one? Oh, earlier.

Oh, that's a good question. There had to have been something, like when he gets the, Aston Martin, there's not someone in the back. There's no one in the back. I think there's a couple guys in the background with lab coats. You just see Q by himself for,

long time. And many times in the field, too. That's the weirdest. Right. I like the idea that, like, I mean, I think the first time we really see it is you only live twice, right? When they have the, the mobile. I mean, like, the mobile, let's bring out everybody on the boat. Okay.

I think you're right. Well, he brings him some stuff in Thunderball. But yeah, there's like a. He does. He brings him to the Bahamas? Yeah. I'm trying to remember that. He shows up in the tropical shirt and the straw hat.

You don't remember this? I hate Thunderball. It makes you swallow the radioactive pill? God, that may be next to the Brazzan's My Least Viewed Bond. Thunderball is a slug fest and It's boring. You must have hated our opinions on that movie

Because we had Mosier in here and he was like, So, we're all so bored by the underwater stuff. Well, we're going to watch it again. Yeah, we are. Here's the thing, and Fourier eyes only, which I just saw on the big screen, which is why it's lower now. I can get into that. Oh, I see.

But they're all better on the big screen. Yeah. And if you're sitting there and you have nowhere to go, nothing to do, you can get lost in Thunderball for four hours or however long. I bet that one is better on the big screen. How great was Goldfinger when we saw it at Sienpio. It was great. Which, I mean, obviously Goldfinger, everyone loves Goldfinger,

but just seeing it in that environment of just in a semi. I think everyone should watch it in a cemetery if you can at home. Living La Dyes should be the one to watch in the cemetery. Oh, that would be great. But for your eyes only on the cemetery, big screen after Spy Who Loved me, I was so hungry for just a weirder, crazier Bond movie than that was. He wanted to step it up. And I get why they went with these respectable...

Yeah, they should have switched those. They should have gone a little more off-roading a little bit. But you don't end with For Your Eyes Only, even though most people find that to be one of Moore's better films, just energy-wise, that's your opener. It ends with a Margaret Thatcher impersonator. Oh, my God, I forgot about that. Oh, good Lord. And then her husband wanders on. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Well, I showed For Your Eyes Only at Draft House as a part of a triple feature. I did from Russia with Love, On Her Majesty's Secret Service, and then For Your Eyes Only, the end of On Her Majesty Secret Service plays so perfectly into the beginning of Fear Eyes Only, because he's standing at her grave. Right. Oh, right. And that's maybe the only time that Fear Eyes Only is great is right after Honor Her Majesty Service. Yeah, it's the Quantum of Solis theory.

It may be. It may be. But let's talk about the good stuff. Like, that motorcycle chase in the snow, I like. Do you have to go to Conti's score? No, I don't. I'm afraid I don't. And in fact, I think that goes a long way as to why this is a lower movie for me. It's lacking. It's two of the time.

And you just can't beat John Barry. And coming out of, what is it? We're coming out of Moonraker John Barry and then going into Octopusy John Barry, which two scores I really love. I, what do I like about that movie? Do you like the Conti score? As an outlier, it's sort of interesting. Yeah. But no, I don't love it.

You miss Barry on these movies more often than not I love the Sheena Easton thing though I love putting the singer in the opening credits That's a cool thing Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah

Spender was clearly rang out of ideas at that point Oh yeah That was novel Yeah I mean I liken that to the Cheryl Croll Music video from Tomorrow Never Dies What a great film Just really great all around

I think that's probably one of the better Most solid bond films has ever been made But That gift that I sent you last night It was Matt sent me a text accidentally and he apologized and instead of replying with words

I just sent a gift that I'm gonna guess a 55 year old woman made It's incredible Oh it's magical It's just Pierce Brosnan on a golden scroll It just and each top of the scroll Says Pierce the bottom says Brasnin And is glittering and he's in a black

Unbutton shirt I bet you a finger, Pierce Brosnan, made that himself. Pierce, you're welcome to come on the show. We're big fans. I really, I feel like he's the gettable one, right? Lazy's and be, oh yeah, yeah, but let's be honest. Touring in the support of a duck. That's true.

That's true. Why am I here? We weren't in action. We weren't back in action yet. We were still in talks with Sony. Fair enough. So, yeah, of the things I like in this, I like Bond Girl

in this movie. I enjoy her having a motivation of her parent her father being killed. I like that. I like that she's good with a bow. I like that that's right out of Fleming too. Yeah. And she's a little low energy for me though. She got a bit of the dead eye. She is, but her dad just died, you know?

All right, fair enough. She's numb. She's a little numb. Yeah. She's a little, you know, she's a weary. She's a weary traveler. Looking for revenge. I love the end assault on the monastery thing.

and like rock climbing and that it's like he's got a crew of men it feels like a world war two commando mission or something which is a film that I love that type of thing and that's also one of those real life places you only see in the James Bond movie yeah yeah you know where they really take good care in that at that at least at that time I don't know if it seems like now we're not getting those locales as much because you know it's 50 years later and we have the internet the world's been explored but I just really feel like in all of the movies that Cubby was around for, I feel like the location is a character in the scenes.

Yeah, that's true. I feel like now we're not really given that. What is the last one? I think Scotland a bit in Skyfall. Yeah. It was novel. Yeah. I think a bit inspector with that crater,

it at least is a... It did nothing for me. That did nothing for me. It was a missed opportunity, it felt like. It was missing some kind of presentation that would have made it feel special or a little larger than life. I take it all that.

I don't know if that was like a knock on like, not a knock, but like an inverse homage to Blofeld's volcano layer from the moment. I mean, like, but why do that? Why not, fucking give me a volcano layer? I'm okay. I can buy that. I can handle it. I'll buy a fucking volcano layer. This is James Bond.

Yeah. I guess there's the Quantum of Salas, like desert astronomy hotel. Again, boring. Like, really, just like really like, I mean, Moscow in Golden Eye, I think. is fun when that tank chase happens. Yeah. And then we go back further, you know, Key West is okay and... Gibraltar.

Gibraltar is pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah. And... But then going back, going backwards, I mean, I feel like, you know, I think of you to kill, I think of San Francisco. Yeah. You think of the Golden Gate Bridge.

Yeah. Go backwards and whatever. We'll get into all of these Roger Moore movies. I'm very curious to watch Kwanos. solace again because I mean that was I haven't climbing on our revisited that since we talked about it yeah it's an easy

revisit because it's so short relatively yeah I watch I like that movie I know we've talked about it but I do put that one on because I think it doesn't require a ton of attention because you're not exactly sure what's going on half the time it is the only it is the only it was for a long time the James Bond movie

that I only saw in the theater and I never watched it again and I completely forgot the plot. I was like, I have no idea what happened to that movie. I saw that movie. I had a poster of that movie in my room and I fucking forgot what that movie was. That was a great poster.

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$0.0. Okay, Matt. All right. What's your number four? My number four is the man with the golden gun. What was that grunt? Oh, just an interested sigh. Two, two men with the golden guns.

Oh, we're almost there. Okay. We're almost there. All right, so who's next? I've lost complete if I went last on the fourth, we've all said four, right? Yes. Then I will go again. Okay.

And I will say, the spy who loved me is my number five. Two on the board for the spy who loved me. All right. And then am I next? Yes. Now, we're in number three, so these are theoretically our top three. These are ones we really like. Yeah, we are in our third favorite of spy who love me.

Mine is Octopussy. Oh, we're going to mark one off for Octopus. That's two for Octopus. Everything's on the board. Everything's on the board. Yeah. We only have one each for live and let die and view to a kill. Interesting.

Yeah, very interesting. Indeed. Interesting. And as usual, listener, whoever did the average spreadsheet of our musical bond rankings, please do the same for this so we can know between the three of us the actual average of what the best and worst bond Roger Moore Bond films are. It's great. The fact that we can do that, have the resources out there. We love you.

We appreciate you. I mean, there is a point where we maybe will sit down and do an entire episode based on the 24 James Bond movies to get that average. That's a mathematical certainty that will do that because we'll be looking for episode. We're going to have to at some point. Every other episode, guys, you're going to get some fun treat. It's time to talk about the man with the golden gun. Oh, he's got a powerful weapon. It charges a million a shot.

What is it about this movie for me? As you know, it was my lowest one. It just lacks a certain vitality for me. I, compared to the others. Cannot disagree with you more. I love them. Man the Golden Gun was dangerously close to slipping to number two on my list. Well, it still has no.

Yeah, where was it for you? It was actually right smack in the middle. It was number four. but the man with the golden gun what do I not like about it I like everything about this movie I like the fact that there's this assassin out there who has bullets made

that have 007 written on them you know what I want to watch that movie tonight the fact that it's the last of my list and I want to go home and watch that thing I love that in the script the sentence Nicknack Tabasco was written and I love that fucking Christopher Lee delivered that line

in a believable fashion. He's great in that movie. He is fantastic in that movie. He, for me, is one of the best Bond villains. We should mention that we just lost Clifton James, the sheriff, yeah, not too long ago. While we were on our hiatus,

we lost, we should probably do it a new memoriam episode of all the people that died between episodes. It was a rough hiatus. for everybody in the bond world. There was a real culling. Because who else, there were others? Ken Adam?

Did we ever talk? We didn't even talk about Ken Adam. Oh, God. Guy Hamilton passed away. Guy Hamilton passed away. Oh, geez. Ken Adam, oh, man, I love that man so much. I wanted that.

I never, there was a point where I was going to buy the Toshan special edition that had the Ken Adam signature. Oh, Ken Adams signature? I have that Toshin archive. Yeah, but there was one. There was one that had his signature, like with some, I think, I forget what set it was, some set. It was like his drawing of some set. It was, you know, one of those tautians like, this is $5,000.

Here you go. Oh, right. You know. Yeah. Yeah. But I didn't do it. I didn't pull the trigger. This is not a Ken Adam movie, though, the man with a gun, right?

It's Peter Lamont. Yes. Is it? Right? You see it's so authoritatively, but I know you don't know. I don't know for sure, but I'm saying yes, because I'm a good podcast. It doesn't have that. Yes.

I don't think it is. I mean, let's think about the sets in it, and my answer is no. Yeah. They don't feel Ken Adams. They don't feel big. They feel like a haunted house attraction. Yeah, let me check while you guys. Thank you for checking.

I'll tell you about Man with the Golden Gun at the time of its release. It was the most poorly reviewed Bond film. And the least performing until license to kill, right? That might be true. Yeah. Wow. Stumped me there. I think so.

But yeah, Sinifantastique magazine had a one-line review. He said, James Bond is dead. Whoa. They hated it. It's a greasy movie. Everyone looks very oily in it. Yeah. But what I like about it, what people don't like about it,

is that Roger Moore still figuring out what his Bond is supposed to be. Right. And I think when you're watching 24 of them, those tend to be the most interesting performances where they're sort of sorting it out. Yeah, that's true. And to the detriment of the Daniel Craig era, he's been milking that for four movies now. Like, who is Bond?

But I always gravitate to the earlier performances. Dr. No. Dr. No, it's not the best Sean Connery movie and they're not the best bomb, but it's the best Sean Connery performance. He's lethal in that movie. Pierce Brosnan is never more engaged than he is in Golden Eye. That's true. Tomorrow never dies, but go ahead. Yeah, GoldenEye is pretty cool.

No, there isn't. It doesn't exist in our world. And I think part of why people celebrate Spy Love Me is because that's when Roger Moore sort of cracked his character. He's a little meaner in this one, the weird way. But those become much more fun to watch over time Interesting. What they're sort of finding their way. Now I look forward to watching it with that in mind.

John Graysmark and Peter Lamont co-art directors. You were right. My authority was rewarded. Sorry, I doubted you. That's okay. But, again, I like the, what is it, a solar? Solar agitator? No, what is it?

It's like a sun. Solex. You're harnessing the power of the sun for some sort of laser situation. right, which is a plot we get again and die another day, but that doesn't even need to be there. And diamonds are forever in a sense. Yeah, it's very true. Satellite, but the,

but the, really for me, the beauty of that movie is the detective work James Bond is doing where he's tracking down that bullet, he's tracking down that gun, he's trying to find this guy, you know, he gets saved by the assassin, he's just like, what, you know, there's just, it's just, it's just a shell

game for him. He's unraveling mystery after mystery in that movie and I and I and fucking Irvin. Yeah, Herbie Villishe. That's amazing. Herbie Villishe's like He's such a good perfect you know, side guy.

Yeah. I find little fault in the man with the golden gun other than him slapping him on Adams and that looking awkward for everyone involved. I do love the scene where she's sitting dead at the sumo match. Yeah. You know, you're watching that for the first time,

you don't know that that is happening immediately, and it is a good reveal. It's grim. It's grim. It's grim for the Roger Moore era. Yeah. Or what will become the Roger Moore. But I will say that I think that the slapping of Mon Adams is out of character for Roger Moore, but not out of character for James Bond. Yeah. But there's a, there's a meanness,

as I was saying in this movie where he's shitty to Mary Goodnight he's shitty to Q yeah there's there's a cranky and he's gonna shoot the the munich or the gun right yeah yeah yeah and the dick yeah

it's just yeah yeah it's the nastiest Roger Moore's ever been like when he talks about how he didn't like kicking that car off the edge of you know he's he's forgetting his backlog of nastiness and yeah I mean I think he is on record of not enjoying a lot of what he was doing in the man with the golden gun and they push back from that the next film.

Yeah. I thought Britt Eklund, a lot of people hate her, but she's one of the most gorgeous Bond girls in 24 movies. I find her a little difficult to watch in this movie. Just not looking. Obviously, she's beautiful. But, I mean, I do find her a little grading her performance, a little grading.

Mod Adams, especially I think because you have the contrast of Mod Adams, who is so poised and probably one of my favorite all-time Bond girls, even in this role as the lesser Bond Girl. Yeah. I just find her to be so elegant and such a perfect match. for Roger Moore in many ways. Even she could match up with Connery very well, too, you know. I have the Mod Adams when they did the Bond trading card set.

I have the Mod Adams signature. You know, one of the autograph cards I have is Mod Adams. I met her and Britt Eklund at a bond event once, and Britt Eklund was a lot like her character in that movie, and so was Mod Adam, or she was just, like, so poised. I don't know another word to use for her. That's fine. statue-esque and just very refined and I don't know she she was charming as hell yeah the third nipple

the third nipple what an Ian Fleming yes what an Ian Fleming yeah yeah I'm trying to remember if that is from the novel it seems like it has to be oh yeah are you kidding me I can't remember I'm gonna say this as definitively as I said Peter Lamont was the outbreak in fact he probably that's probably he heard about a third nipple and went oh there's my next bond movie oh great that's novel He'll put on a fake third nipple. That's how we'll get that boy. I tried to do five, you see, but they had to scale it back to three days. Oh, Mr. Fleming is a bit.

Well, I've got a little saddle full of nipples here. If you'd like, here's one for you. Oh. And here's two for you. Oh, thank you so much. Two bits. Thank you so much. Don't spend them all in one place.

Mr. Fleming, if I could just before you go away. I have to go, so do make it quike. I just wanted to know if you had a chance to talk to Roger and how you felt about him. He's up here with me, you know, just wearing nothing but play suits and aprons. You see, making little... He's cooking up there. Absolutely, don't you see, he's making me figs and yoghurt and scrambled eggs. Oh, has he maybe used a bit of a large espresso machine that only makes coffee?

Is that all it does, you know? What a great line, that's, of course, straight from the novel. Ian, it is a pleasure, and I hope we'll be talking to you some more. Well, certainly I live here. in the microphone. So knock any time. I'm like genie in the bottle, don't you know? I know it takes a lot of energy for you to manifest. It does. It does. And I'm not made of energy. I'm mostly made of Chesterfield cigarettes. Appreciate you visiting. Perhaps next time you could come and my co-host, Matt, could also be here. I mean, you know, I really have no desire to meet him. I find him a bit dull.

Understood. You're listening up there. Absolutely. You know there's not much to do. Understood. All right. I must be going. Thank you, Ian for visiting. Bye. Flutter, flutter. Wow, there he goes. Back into the bike. I dare dream that he was going to show up.

Speaking of dreaming, I just had a nap. Yeah, oh, I don't know what I missed. You're not going to believe it. What? For, I'm going to guess, the 25th time, you missed Ian Fleming's ghost. He had visited, he visited again. I don't believe. I'll believe it when I see it.

He said some very nice things about you, though. I hope you do. Well, that's nice to hear. I like him very much. He was a gentleman. He was a big family's work. I just thought, oh my God, this is. is a man's man here.

Great. Probably hates lesbians. It just doesn't understand them. I've learned to appreciate them. Oh, my God. Matt, did you see that? Oh, I'm sorry. I was just on a call.

Seems crazy. Thank you, and thank you, the man with the golden gun. If anyone has anything else to say about how great the man with the golden gun is, I will hear it. Flying car. Love the song. Lying car, done in a miniature. Yeah, that is pretty amazing. And, of course, the stunt, the looped.

DeLoop Corkscrew stunt is pretty incredible. If Fiori's only had either a flying car or a slide whistle, it would have gone up in the rank. Yeah. Very true. Yeah, it doesn't even have, it has a submarine, but not a car submarine. Oh, that slide whistle might be, like, in contention for third worst moment. Yeah. Yeah.

Just a bad call. I thought I came up with another worst moment that I couldn't believe you and I hadn't talked about. And now I'm trying to remember what the hell it was. Oh, guess what? We're going to find it again. Yeah, we will. No choice. We're absolutely going to find it again.

No choice but too. Okay. So, Phil, you went last, which means you go first. Number two. My number two is the spy who loved me. Oh, that is it. All right. Is that three?

We have... Roger Moore's favorite Bond movie. And the worlds. Most people's favorite Roger Moore movie. 100%. Not mine. Not mine. This is a movie in the Roger Moore era where they get back to basics, figure out the formula of James Bond

and Roger Moore looks comfortable in that tailored suit. I think you're right. I think you're both right. You just said it, and you said it earlier, that he really figured it out here. And it hits the mark so much that to me, I think maybe that's why it somehow doesn't work.

It's like on its frequency, the entire movie, and it just, nothing feels novel to me about it. I think, like, I just feel like it's so comfortably Roger Moore, and the plot is so comfortably Roger Moore's bond

that I just find it slightly, I don't want to use the word dull because I still love the movie but you know what I mean? I just I don't know I'm never compelled to go back to this one it's slow moving and the Egypt things feel my favorite death in all of James Bond off the building yeah that's pretty good

the way he slaps the tie away that is riffed on in quantum yeah yes and it's not seemingly very Roger Moore is there still a little of that mean Roger Moore creeping in or that mean Bond creeping in with that yes but I I think that, for me, that death feels very...

I mean, that one... I'm trying to think of what feels most of the novels, and... I mean, it's probably Daniel Craig brutally killing that guy in Quanto of Solace that feels most like the novel when he stabs that guy in the fucking leg. Oh, yeah.

He just drains it or arteries, bleeds him out. That's probably the most novel-esque of the killings in James Bond, I think. Not, I'm not saying directly from the novel. No, in tone. But I'm saying in the tone of Ian Fleming. and what he hoped to do in that series. The killing of Professor, is it Dent in Dr. No, where he shoots him in the back, basically?

Yeah, yeah. But still in the Craig area when he's just choking the guy to death in the stairwell. Yes. That's Fleming-ish, because Fleming made Bonn hate killing. Yeah. It was an ugly thing, and he felt bad leader because you got right after he crushes that guy out. He's, like, cleaning himself up in the mirror and taking that whiskey and taking that moment. That felt very fling him.

Certainly. Putting a shark bullet in Yafat Koto's mouth and inflating him like a balloon is very flaring. Oh, Yav. We'll resubmit that for a worst moment. Submitted and filed a secretary. Also, strangely, I know she does it for most people. Barbara Bach as a bum girl does it. Oh, you don't love Barbara Bach?

I don't know. You don't love Mrs. Star? I do not dislove her. Yes. But there's something not pulling me along. wonders for me as an adolescent boy. She's beautiful. This is why I love this stuff, because again, there's something for everyone.

On paper, the idea of her of being the Russian secret agent with the counterpart to M having his very Russian end thing with Ms. Rupovich instead of Ms. Moneypenny. Like, as the secretary, that's all great. But Barbara Bach's acting just isn't quite as charismatic as you might want to be for that. It really is a great character idea. Who would have been, if you put any other Bond Girl in that part? Well, I got to go Mod Adams, right? Yeah, mine Adams would have been great. Yeah.

Huh. But it was Barbara Bunk, and I, for one, I have a special place in my heart for her. It's the one, the only James Bond poster, my wife has let me hang in the living room, is our Italian spy who love me posting. And it's a beaut. Yeah. Which one, what is it? Roger Bore had the best posters and the best theme songs, I think, in terms of the runs.

His posters are beautiful. It's painted, right? Yeah. Yeah, it's them standing, essentially straddling the two subs. Yeah, I know. another one yeah yeah that is good um but that one i like for you know i like the teamwork they have to do i like the russian and i that's the other part about the my favorite of the roger more moments is that i forgot until you mentioned that that when they're in that capsule

m and the and the russian m is also there yeah so you feel like they both get into that quite a bit yeah those shenanigans are those two our favorite spies this shenan Indiana getting. That is your favorite bond song, right? Yeah. Nobody does it better. I think it's just such a melodically beautiful. Just.

Bump, Bum, Bum, baby. Yeah. It's that string section that really gets me on it. And then they decided to use a military band version for the end credits. Yeah, I don't know if that's right.

But not even just a military band. It's like a Broadway show military band, like the male rockettes. Yeah, absolutely. Oh, God. What a shit show? Hey, boys. Obviously, the cold open in that movie is incredible.

Yes. Incredible. Truly, I still watch it and go like, whoa, you know, I get a little chill. It's magic. The one thing that took me years and years to figure out was that we were supposed to understand that he was killing Barbara Vox's boyfriend in that chase. Yeah. Because he's covered in ski gear.

Oh, really? That took you? Yeah. I, for some reason, got that right away. But doesn't she say it or someone says it? a plot point. I mean, Phil's just not paying attention like us. I'm actually, I'm very stupid. But yeah, before high-deaf, I think I would say. I didn't.

Oh, sure, sure. That was that guy. Yeah, well, because all those guys looked the same. Pan and scan VHS probably wasn't doing it for you at the time. Overly tanned, heavily poured skin. Have you yet with your backyard area? Have you yet figured out where you're putting a movie screen? Already done it. Okay. When are we watching a James Bond? Let's do it.

In fact, that's what Live and Let Die was last week. I just popped it up and watched it, but let's do this. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Great. You're leaving town. Yeah, I leave Saturday.

What a jerk. You son of a bitch. But maybe that's the way we should do it. We can record some commentaries out there. Yes. You'll hear the birds chirping. Under the stars. I love this.

Oh, my God. Matt? It was perfect. Matt's really something. Our bromance is back. We've never been more in love. Full force. That's right.

Now that you're married, I can finally let you know. how I feel. It's safe to say it. Oh, by the way, everyone, congratulations to Matt Gourley, who is now is his first married James Bonding podcast. That's right, yeah.

I guess so. I'm so proud of you. You're not a complete, legit stereotype Bond nerd unless you have the wedding ring. So there's all these guys like groove into like, I don't know the Bond shit

and I've got this jacket and like, yeah, Bond doesn't have a wedding ring on. That's right. It's always the guys who, it's always a married dude. It's always a married dude that loves a James Bond,

but I will say, one of my favorite things about the beautiful wedding that Matt had when I saw him walk down. Most people were like, I can't wait to see the beautiful blushing bride. Oh no. She's going to be amazing. She's going to look so gorgeous. She's going to radiate what she did. But I see Matt. I see a barn door open. I see Matt exit.

And the motherfucker is wearing the white dinner coat with the red carnation from goddamn Goldfinger. The one thing I asked my wife if I could do, and my wife said no. What? My wife said the words, you're not cosplaying at our wedding. Wow.

Now, let's put another level on this. When Matt was on another podcast talking about Casino Royale, he was talking about his fandom and his love of Bonnie. He goes, I'm not one of the guys that, like, buys the clothes. It's true. It's true. And I was like, well, at least on this podcast, Like Matt and I, I think, are lined up pretty well, but I know you and I have an affinity for the Crockett Jones.

I took off my Tom Ford sunglasses and came in. Hell it is. But Matt saved it for the most important day of his wife's life. To tell the truth, I was very aware of that before, during, and after buying and wearing. It was. But I just like the look. Of course. And it looked great.

Oh, thanks. I need to see this. That's more of why I did it. But also, I also honestly. Indiana Jones in the Temple of Doom I love that look as well. It's pretty much straight from Goldfinger. I'm... But the only other time I've ever bought

something fashion-wise from a film is these glasses. These are the Indiana Jones glasses. Oh, right on. Oh, that makes perfect sense. Smart. Okay, so... Do I have a fun... Well, I have a picture of... Okay, so look how gorgeous

Amanda's like... Beautiful. Like, you're obviously... I see more beautiful bride, right? But then look at that motherfucker. Look at him. Look at him. And I will say... That picture is from the cheap seats. You know, I went to aisle, though.

I could have sat wherever I wanted to sit. I mean, people are going to clear out for Matt Myra. They see best selling author, Doory Shafir. They see Matt Myra. They're like, well, fuck, I've got to get this guy. So I just want to have a shout out to... First of all, I said this to my wife immediately. And I believe I turned to...

Who was with me? Maybe Paul. No, Paul was up there, right? well he was only in the front row for a bit for a little toast oh it's Todd who I turned to Todd Cooper

Todd Cooper I said that motherfucker is wearing the goddamn James Bond jacket and I post this picture from very far away you saw the picture right yes sir

it's from a great distance I'm on the aisle I take the picture and I just want to shout out to Max not Maxwell and his comment not minutes after I post this

was Looks like Amanda was cool with the James Bond White jacket. Jealous, Matt? Wow. You got your number. And the answer is, yes, I was jealous. I am happy to report that, Matt, and I literally stuck away during the reception at one point. Grabbed our wedding photographer, because at the place where we had the wedding was a beautiful oak-in-lined library study.

And so we took a couple of pictures of him and his suit behind the desk. I was wearing the three-piece gray suit that is very, very Connery. Very goldfinger. Yeah, very goldfinger. And Matt also dressed in goldfinger attire. We were like, my wife was, actually, Dory said, you guys should get a, like, a real picture if you're both dressed like this. And we did, and we'll use it maybe for the return of this.

We went into an office. It's black and white, though. I need to ask her if I can get the color ones, but they look good. black. Okay. Yeah. We should get the color once. Yeah, but we, Matt was like, this office kind of looks like M's office. We should go in here. Yes. So, and she had like packed up her camera.

Yeah. We like dragged this poor wedding photographer out. You've worked for 12 hours, please. It's for a James Bond podcast. I don't care. I don't know. I don't know. I don't care. I don't know. When any of those words are. Well, that's a good woman. Did she know that it was, that

you know the backstory? She knew. Yeah, I think she knew, but she also was like me, I think she's just like, yeah, she never, she's pretty good about that stuff. And I have a little bit of a James Bond corner in the house that's kind of slightly, I'm in the leather door. I mean, it is the door to my office, but obviously one side shows to the rest of the house. And she just goes with it. I mean, I got lucky in that. I mean, that's what you guys are married. I can brag on my wife for one. Her name's Amanda as well, right? Her name's Amanda. On her 40th birthday, I took her to London and she accompanied me to Anthony Sinclair, where she

watch me get fitted for two suits. Oh my God. Like on her birthday, not on her birthday, but for her birthday. Yeah, that's sweet. You, on our honeymoon. My wife and I went to London

for our honeymoon, right? No, we went to the Crockett and Jones, and we both got boots. Yes. On our honeymoon and my birthday, for my birthday, she rented a 57 Porsche convertible at it, but it looks a lot like an Aston Martin,

and we drove around. It was awesome. Boy, we, guys, we did well. We did. We did. We married well. How do we have a nerdy James Bond podcast and ended up with these women? I don't know.

We define the odds. Maybe they don't exist. They're imagining. Wait, I have never seen Amanda Andy and Fleming in the same room. Maybe. Wait a minute. Okay, so the spy who love me. The spy who love me, of course.

You know, it's my second favorite. It is the most James Bond of the bunch, I think. Is it also the film least like the book? I think it's probably... It has nothing to do with the book. Yeah, it's just a title. But then again, the title-wise... It's a good title.

What else is just title rip? Quantum of Salas? Moonraker, yeah. Moonraker at least has Drax. Drax, but completely reinvents him. He's not the character in the book. And that's my animosity toward Moonraker. A lot of it's about how much they've just abandoned the book,

which is one of my favorite. Yeah, I love that book. By the way, are you guys familiar with the foliosis? Eddie. Yeah. So they have these limited edition, illustrated, like beautiful painted versions, and they're doing them kind of book by book of the Fleming books. They're like $60.

Yeah. So, but they did Casino Royale first. Then they did from Rush with Love and Dr. No just came out. I have a casino real and it's beautiful and I feel like this is the set that I'm going to collect because I have like the shitty paperbacks. But this is like a shelf ready thing and it comes in like a hard case. And there's 60 a pop? 60 a pop, but they have beautiful paintings in them.

Done. What is this called? The Folio Society? Folio Society, if you're out there, please sponsor us. Not the brand again. But here we go. But every birthday, my father-in-law gives me one of those. Oh, that's genius.

You really lucked out with this guy. Is he also in New Jersey? No, he's in Massachusetts. Oh, that's why. Yeah, he's a classier breed of cat. That's why. Where in Massachusetts? Ashby.

Ashby is west, right? Central? I can walk to New Hampshire from his house. Oh, it's a really weird world. It's west of me, which was Lowell. but that's man that's great I've been looking at those so you know I like

here and there I like to get first editions of my favorite books I would love the first edition well here's the thing with an Ian Fleming first edition the one I would most want is from Russia with Love because of the Kennedy thing or not it's my favorite movie

I think the story is such a it's just that's for me but it the last time I looked I think I could probably get a decent one in decent shape for about $20,000. Oh, Jesus. Don't do it. You're sure? You're sure.

I have to tell you an auction that I lost out on. Oh. I was looking, I just came across, there were two things I wanted to buy, and they weren't crazy expensive. One was the test casting of the Skyfall Manor sign that says Skyfall. Yes. Did you see this on UBanks? Yeah.

Yeah. So it was one that the special effects people that were contracted to do that, did as a test pouring. It wasn't used in the movie. But it was only, it was pounds, but I think it was like, oh, I say only. It was $600, I think. That's what the estimated thing was. But like, for bond memorabilia, that's pretty low. And I didn't think I was going to go for that. But one thing that I really wanted was a crew gift that Daniel Craig gave to everybody on Skyfall, which was a fold-out stool, the kind that you can, like, sling, it has a sling that you can carry over your shoulder, and it's three-prong legs that hinged in the middle and a leather satchel. And a leather

satchel and it was like embossed with thank you daniel craig and it was like really well made and really nice and i think it was like i bid 320 that was the highest i would go and it sold for 3 30 oh you dumb fuck i'm just like that's so ridiculous i can't go any higher than oh man and so i didn't get any of them but i didn't try for the skyfall one but um oh man i wonder what what memorabilia would you most want to i mean i guess the answer is the fucking Submariner watch from Goldfiger. Or the Aston Martin. Yeah, I was just looking at one from that time period and it's about $45,000.

Right. Yeah. Totally. I mean, and then there's that, um, they found that brightling. Yeah. The top time. Thunderball. It was like a gut, a guy, your counter.

Roger Moore saw Rolex, went on for auction about a year ago. Oh, what that go for? I want to say about 40-something thousand. That's not as much as I would think. No. Although if it's a non-working Rolex. Rolex and just a prop. Yeah, but the prop.

Yeah, the prop part works. It's a not-working Rolex. Yeah. But I have a... What would you... Okay, so what would you most like to have from the... I'm going to say, my answer is the Goldfinger Submariner. Is Ashton Martin a prop?

I think we're going to leave the cars out. Handheld things? Yeah. A prop. I mean, it could be a suit. It could be a desk weight. It could be a bar of gold. Well, I would...

I think I would take one of M's quilted. leather door is one of the ones from the movie Sure. Maybe. Even if you had to reframe that fucking wall. Yeah. And I'll tell you what, I want both of them. I want the ability to shut both doors because the first entry door isn't

leather. It's just a regular door. Maybe, yeah, I mean, I'd have to really think about it, but. Is inflatable canangna? It certainly is. Yes. The answer is yes. I would put that in my living room. Great conversation starter. God.

Right? I mean, God, if I fit in any of Dale Craig's suits, I'd take one. Yeah, I think, I don't know that, watch that. Say what you see, man. It's a video. Watching a gorgeous, gorgeous video of the Submariner working saw from the horrible scene that we all hate with a cananga balloon, but I guess it's actually later. I love that. I love, I love that he uses the watch as, as.

the way it was intended. But the saw movement is somehow still functioning perfectly. After 30, 40 years? Yeah. That's amazing. I found the schematic of that watch, and the way that it works is that there's a tube that goes into it, and you blow in the tube,

or send compressed air, and it sends it spinning. That's brilliant. So it won't just do it independently on your wrists. Those guys are so... FX guys never cease to amaze me in just how brilliantly simple the things they have. before 3D printers, right? Yeah.

Oh, God. Well, that was a good little break as we go back to... That wasn't a break. That was a spy who loved me related situation. We were talking about props. We went off to live and let die. And I guess it is time for the number two. You're heading up.

Number two. My number two is Octopussy. That's it. It's on the board. It's on octopsy. Boom. God, I love this movie. I have seen this movie.

50 to 100 times. Really? Yes. I'm sure I have to. This is my... I got to clean the house. I'm going to put something on. This is my...

I'm going to watch a James Bond movie. I'm going to put something around. Almost. But... This first one I saw in the theater, and I've said that before, but I just remember going with my dad to the La Marada Mall,

which was otherwise deserted. In fact, it was the only mall I'm aware of that seemed to have, like, stuck over. walls like it was like an adobe wall. Not that I'm thinking about it. Is that true? That may very well be some weird conflated memory or something, but it just felt like you

were walking through like a deserted Hopi Indian Reservation or something. There was like a deserted arcade called Noah's Arcade, a department store called... That's the arcade from Wayne's World. Is it really? Noah's Arcade. Oh, that's what this was called. Oh my God, it's amazing. Yeah.

There was a department store called Beinos. Nope. And a yogurt. Where'd you get those socks? Beano. There was turns you could take in this mall because it wasn't just like a straight linear mall that you wouldn't see people for quite a while.

It was so weird. But then they had the best theaters there and my dad took me and that was it. Like that was, I got to remember just loving that movie. Yeah. How about you? It's a movie for me that I first saw in VHS, obviously. And there's something that I find so

comforting about that movie. I don't know what it is. I don't know if it's a combination of circus appealing to my childhood and, you know, the Mod Adams is the fact that it's named

Octopus as a child delighted me. Yeah. I mean, that's how I learned what that word, what it really means. Because you ultimately go, what is that?

Octopus. Octopus. Octopussy. Octopussy. It's so enunciated every time anyone says it. Louis Jordan is off-putting. I have never seen lips move so clearly in my mind than when he says octopussy. Like it's just like, there's so much mouth movement when he says it.

He is born to play a villain. And, you know, one of my great, one of my favorite James Bond tropes is the man on the ground. you know, when James Bond gets there, his contact, and to throw a former tennis star into a movie. And for him to be so likable and so enjoyable, I love him, I love, I love Q, I love the alligator that he's got to hide in, or is that a crocodile?

I don't know. It's an alligator, probably. James Bladen, who's been on this podcast, I'm sure we talked about it on that episode, is an avid tennis player, and they see him at that tennis club they go to or something, Vijay. And I'm just like, Get him. Get him on.

I got to have him on. I was there, too, James Bunny. I don't care. I love him in that movie. So great. That song, I know a lot of people don't like that song. It played in the ceremony music at my wedding when you guys were just sitting there waiting for us to come out. Oh, I love it. I don't have anything good to say, but I think we put a mark on that very early for you.

I'm not a fan. It's a divisive film. Yeah, there's nothing about his performance that I like. And it's so all over the place in terms of its set pieces. It's the last movie in which I physically buy him as playing at James Bond. I love his reversible uniform that Tom Cruise ripped off in Mission Impossible for. That fight on the top of the plane is spectacular at the end. That's not Roger Moore.

Hey, listen. It is in the mind. Louis Jordan, no, did you know that? Oh, it's weird. He was really flying that point. Yeah. He was fine with it. He had a weird glint in his eye.

Put me on the plane. What do you think of, what do you think of Yo-Yo Sawman? That's fine. Yeah. That's okay. I like that for Bond crony. Yeah. That's fine.

I hate the theme song. We finally found a crack in our friendship. FM radio, nay dear. Yeah. I agree. And that's why I love it. It's not a great theme song. So you love it ironically.

I don't. I don't. I have a love for that. era of soft rock that is not ironic. I recognize how cheesy it is, definitely, and I recognize it's melodramatic, but I have no ironic look for it. It is 100%.

How that song sounds so Herb Alperty? Maybe while Herb Alpert was doing the shitty theme song, I never say never again the same year. Yeah. It was something in the air that year. I always put that on when Amanda and I are like on a road trip and she doesn't know the words and she always sings this lyric and it kills me. It's, uh,

we're in all time high. Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Don't take my hotel away. All-time high. I like it a little more now. I hate that song. You hate that song. I rank that very low in the music.

But that last sax note, do-d-l-l-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-l-l-l-l-l. Come on. I mean, if that isn't not James Bond, I don't know what to say. It's well-cast. I mean, Louis-Jourgand's great. Lord Adams is good. I like V.J. Fine.

Yeah. I just feel like everyone's going through the motions. It's strange. Why are you saying about that? Fine. He blows the James Bond theme. Yeah. The snake trotting thing.

That's pretty fun. That's a weird, like... I like the tuck-tuck chase. The tuck-tuck chase is fantastic. He's got so much power in that thing. It's just fun to say. Tuck-tuck chase. Are we supposed to think that's offensive now, though?

He's throwing money at beggars to create obstacles during a chase. As far as James Bond, insensitivity goes historically, that is low on the list. Very low. Yeah. Well, in Japan, women always come second. Very sexy food, Mr. Lovina. I'm Taka Kanaka. Yeah, I just, octopussy for me, I can't get enough of it.

Yeah. Yeah. You know what, Phil, I want you to, next time you're doing a chore at home, pop it on, and then tell me how you like it. How about that cold open? Come on. The cold open's okay. Yeah.

Okay. Okay. Okay. That's okay. Okay. Is a rare steak, okay? Is a don't perion 56 chilled it exactly, whatever the quote is, okay? Well, that's like listening to the Beatles without earmuffs.

The Pussy feels like leftovers out of the fruit, unfortunately. It's junk food. That's exactly right, though. It is like warmed up leftovers, but delicious warmed up leftovers. I recognize that. It's Taco Bell at two of, am you know oh yeah sure you pay for in the morning but you'll enjoy it's actually a little better it's yeah yeah yeah love some fry I can get fries with my tacos it's amazing that one of the films has not

come up yet that most people hate I am stunned I guess it's my pick for number two yeah yeah so we each have two more two we each have uh oh wait okay mine my number two is we have one more to say each I have two more, so this will be my last number two. Yeah, so you go twice in a row. Have you to a kill? Yes. I don't know what to say. I've defended this movie tirelessly on how did this get made on this show.

I have nothing bad to say about it. I recognize that many people think this is their worst bond film, but I am just comforted by it. I put this on when I want to fall asleep, and I mean that in a good way. Like, it has to be when I was born. It was the second one I saw in the theater, but it was the second one. the first time where I was going by myself with friends. So it's like super nostalgic. It ran on cable like crazy.

Are we officially talking about this? Oh, I'm sorry. Oh, what? Matt, I've never been more in love with you. I'm ashamed of myself for not putting this in my word. I cannot believe you right now. I apologize. Well, why don't you go first?

Well, let me just say the number one for me is of you. a kill. I didn't know that about you, but you hit it pretty hard on how did this get made. Because I had to. It's unassailable. It is ridiculous on every level. But this is not about what is the best Roger Moore film. This is about what our personal favorite Roger Moore film is. Own it. And for me, it is a view to a kill. It is an out-of-this-world theme song. Let's talk about Duran Duran. One of my favorites. They took their time. They were like, hey, we are, this is the 80s, this is the kind of music we make.

I see what you've done there and I respect it. Let me inject some of that into what I do. So they fucking come up, Simon LeBond, John Taylor, sit there and they go, Bannan-na-na-da-da-da. Yes, let's do that. Okay. So View to a Kill comes in. It's like, blows my mind as a child.

This movie, I must have seen, I must have seen this movie. what year to come? 86? 85. I must have seen this movie when I was five years old. This movie for me just it's just so lovable.

I love the score from this movie too. It's so stupid. This may be, for my money, the best pairing of Bond song and musician title song musician and John Barry. The way he

weaves that melody into the whole score. Like those heavy brass. Again, that for me is like part of my, that's what I found detrimental about Daniel Craig's James Bond movies. Is there fear of using that score?

Like, I find that they are... But I don't think David L. Arnold has that fear. I think it's just Thomas Newman maybe doesn't quite... The last two films are that. But part of it isn't his fault because the songs come later and later in the schedule now.

I had an advanced release of the Skyfall soundtrack and there was no like skyfall quotes in there at all and then when the movie comes out and he's floating into the casino he clearly put it in last minute so I would assume he'd want to do more but yeah

Spector was there maybe a little bit of I mean I don't even get it yeah when they're making out after the train flight that's the song sort of folds in yeah but casino royale's pretty fully integrated yeah yeah so good oh there's another guy who died while you were away first Cornell oh yeah that's right

oh we gave some of us gave him a whoopin on not me Not me. I have a clear conscience. It wasn't me. The theme song was a shot in the arm. It's the theme song we needed at the time. I'm with you. Boy, we can agree to disagree.

Sometimes you go to war with the theme song you need, not the theme song you want. Maybe that was the theme song we deserve. Christopher Walkin is amazing. Oh, what a villain. You've got Grace Jones. Come on. May day. She's amazing.

May day. And you're in the beautiful, beautiful city of Paris, France. with a butterfly show that is out of this world. Papillon. The swinging of the poison butterfly to my collection, no? The swinging of the poison butterfly as a device for killing someone is right up there with the ridiculous things I've ever seen in the movie. I even love the cold opening. Beach Boys song Be Damed.

The man invents a sport. The man invents. Snowboarding. And somehow in this world, this movie doesn't exist as a movie. So some survivor of that Russian squad went back to his home in the Ural Mountains or whatever and went, Lately you'll see what I've seen and I've got to try this. I don't know if you're familiar with skiing, but we only need one. Imagine water skiing, but you freeze the water and turn it on the slope.

What you do, you see you put both foot on one ski. It's a little wider, but a lot more fun. Did you make that up yet? Yes, definitely, I definitely did. I have not... Now we start the X-Games. I mean, he's wearing a fur-lined hoodie. Sure.

Just to hide his face. I think a lot of my hang-ups with the ones that aren't my favorites is I see the movie that could have been. Yeah. And with Vue to a Kill, I have nothing to back this up, but I just have a sneaking suspicion that a movie where Bond goes up against a genetically engineered Aryan Superman over computer chips and Fox Grace Jones and Paroleon. shoots off the Eiffel fucking tower. This script was designed for a young bond. Probably, yeah. And imagine. I don't, as you were

speaking, I just kept hearing bells go ding, ding, ding, ding, checking the list. I love it. I mean, keep talking. But imagine if it wasn't a 60 year old man doing it. Yes. But again, I think that is part of the charm of that movie.

Just the charitable term? I mean, it goes bonkers. It embraces it the entire film. The Remy Julianne car chase with the car getting not just bisected but like the top it just gets diced smaller and smaller like a cartoon like literally like a warnerboarder's cartoon yeah it's incredible I mean it's so stupid and then that that bus jump is amazing

yes that movie I gotta tell you about that the the fire truck chase I just as a child I was just like I knew they could do that we will never see real stunts that cartoonie again because they can do that CG-wise. They do comedic stunts CG-wise.

But that's like a lot of life to risk for something so stupid, you know? That has to be appreciated. I think at the end of the day it was all worth it.

Definitely. If even five people died. Jesus. That's a fair point. And I can't keep a mad wishing a movie was a thing that it wasn't. Yeah.

Boy, I love the Roger E. just taked out of that film. Oh, Tom. He, on Siskel and Ibrahimbrit, he just, like, leans so hard

into the ridiculousness of Zorn's plan. He points out that if you're flooding Silicon Valley, you're not flooding the manufacturers, you're flooding your customer base.

The manufacturing all happens in Japan. This is the worst plan of Bond villain has ever had. That's the issue he takes with the film. That's the issue. He takes a lot of it. But I can just see him getting all hot and bothered in the theater.

Yeah. Like leaning over to Gene going like, you fucking believe what they're trying to do? You know they're all made in Japan, right? Shifting in a seat, huffing and puffing. And Siskel's over there going, just enjoy the film, it's brilliant. What is wrong with you?

This is the best movie. Roger Moore is great. But yeah, view to a kill. It is my favorite. Now, we were talking before you got here about how these lists are so fluid and organic and they change them. Totally. If I came at you another week, would Vytoa Kiel not be your number one?

It would be Octopus if you came at me another one. So Vuto A Kill would shift to my number one pretty regularly. It isn't right now, but it would frequently. Yeah. Yeah. But well, on to the last one, which I believe we share. I think that's the only one left, right? Live and Let Die.

It is live and let be. Phil and I have the same number one. Live and Let Die. Live and Let Die. Always been one of my favorites. So far away for me. And I will tell you, there were times when live and let die would be my number one. Yeah.

So what changed do you think? I think my time with Matt Goreley has... I soured you on that movie? No, you've made me more appreciate late phase Roger Moore movies. Well, if I have one mission in life, it is to bring late phase more to the... You have really warmed me to them in a space where I thought, you know, as a kid, I think, living and let die for me was I just thought it was very cool and I thought it was very uh 70s very black exploitationy very like I mean when I was a kid uh I would my parents would let me rent

whatever I wanted so you know Foxy Brown and and Shaft were movies that early in my life were movies that I enjoyed and watched yeah I watched them as a kid and um I loved this I loved that flavor getting into this movie. Yeah. And I really enjoyed that. But as a grown man in my 30s, hanging around with this asshole over here, I just was like, you know what, I got room for camp.

Sure. I watched this movie, as I said last week, and I really enjoyed it. And then this is the first time that I caught the strange parallel between Solitaire and Severin from Skyfall, where he basically comes in, and says like, she's saying, like, get me out of here.

This man is like, I'm a kept woman. Help me. Can you kill him? And it was really the parallel struck me that. I'd never really noticed that before. And he's basically saying, I'll do that for you. Just stick with me. Help me out and I'll do that with you. You know, doesn't end well for one of them.

But I won't say which. I'm assuming most of you listeners have never seen these films. Spoiler alert. It's fabulous. But I think, you know, entering the role first time in, he, you're, it's very, I think the suits in this movie are so 70s. I think he goes, he does look great. He does look great. But it is a, it is a, it is a, I feel like they are always fashion forward with James Bond, but I feel like they always try to keep it as traditionally fashion forward.

They can. Which I think is good. With this one, they just were like, let's go. Yeah. Yeah. And that's a hallmark of his run. He's sort of wearing things that are very in the moment that are going to look classic in a year. And so you see wearing something different.

Safari jackets and whatnot. And then this one he's wearing powder blue, like flare denim jeans and a denim jacket and then a low scoop neck tank top. Yes. And he is tan as George Hamilton in this movie. It's incredible. I mean, so this is. a movie that I for me

iconically it's the turtleneck it's the black yeah the black turner which yeah they really drew on that for Spector again I mean such a such an homage but also such a like why why are we doing that again why are we doing that outfit

it was it just a direct lift what inspector yeah well it's it's it's not shown that way in the film at all no I know it's just a market because he has in the poster for Specter? He also has the shoulder poster. Is it with a, like, Smith and Weston? Like a magnet, yeah. A big old revolver.

Yeah. Yeah. And that is, that's the only time in the Bond films where you see him using what feels like a very American gun. But this was the 70s and I know the broccoli and Saltsman were keen on kind of shifting things more American at this time, especially with the movie before being Diamonds or Forever when they put it in Vegas

and there was that rumor of Bert Reynolds being considered for the role. So I bet this was like when were the dirty hairy movies was this one yeah his gun is a direct response to dirty Harry wow I love that you know that that that weird experimentation is what I was talking about earlier where the every guy's first movie is a little less cookie cutter and that's what I love about living like that it's more colorful it's it's a little more weird it's a little more not afraid to try something different and at the same time as a kid I remember seeing it and loving the the gadgetry that the watch that you know could

pulled the spoon and also had the saw. We see his apartment. Yeah, but Q is noticeably absent, not just in that he's not in it, but why? I mean, they send Money, Penny, and M to his apartment. It wouldn't kill you to put a third person in there. Why is Q not in it? I think it was a scheduling thing. I'm not sure if that's the deal.

I think Desmond Llewellyn was doing something and he wasn't able to. I love the idea of, it's behind the scenes thing, but that Roger Moore was apparently like in enormous pain the entire time for this movie. Well, this segues us, I think, perfectly into talking about this book. So tell us that story. Tell us any of the other tidbits. You've written another great article about this on birth movies' death. Yeah.

And so give us the highlights as we kind of start to wrap this up. So somebody thought it would be a good idea for Roger Moore to keep a diary of the filming of Live and Lettine. Was that person Roger Moore? Maybe. Some brilliant human. Someone published it. Some God with the foresight of what's good.

in the world. And the book is pretty much his day-to-day accounting of the film. And it's, what's crazy about it is that there's no filter. Clearly no publicist was involved in this. He talks shit on Harry Saltman almost every other page. That confirms my suspicions. He just talks shit on him and about how Harry's screaming about money and how Harry's terrible to local restaurant help. And it's all very funny about how he's like

fucking with him about the money until you realize that Harry Saltzman was destitute almost and had to sell his, stock and like two years later he was selling his share of bond rates. But Moore is very self-deprecating in spots. He's very, just so candid. I'm going to try to find you a quick little spot here. I love it. I'm so excited about this.

This is a very special moment. What music should I put under it? Oh gosh, I don't know. Live and let die. Yeah, might as well be living let die. Let me pull that on. Good grief. When you were young and your heart.

Now, I cannot do a Roger Moore impression. Sorry to say. Harry cornered me at lunch for our floating gin rummy game, and this time I broke even, which is like winning when you were playing with Harry. He left early in a glum mood because he has to pay today's production costs out of his own pocket. Or perhaps it was because I stirred it up

by telling him that whatever our stunt driver was being paid for his 50 foot leaps, it was not enough, and that I told the stunt driver the same and told him to get an agent. He said, Just being shitty. That's fabulous.

He talked about his morning workout. His knees bend workout. Let's hear about this. Knees bend workout. Let me just set the scene for you now. Daniel Craig is a personal trainer on set. The man's working out furiously to maintain the body that he has for James Bond. Now let's take a step back to the early 70s and let's hear what Roger Moore is up to.

Roger Moore typically in this book is watching Morning. chat shows. He throws some shade at the Gabor sisters while he does his morning knees bend workout. In this particular instance, he says, Day 22 started off on a very black note when in the middle of my knees bend morning workout, Mike Jones, my hairdresser, telephoned from London to tell me he would not be joining me in Jamaica as a unit hairdresser after all. Mike, who chopped off my locks for bond, has been with me for several years, but out of two hairdressers on the unit list, it was decided to only bring one to Jamaica. Harry chose to axe my man, which displeased me no end.

I finished my workout in a furious mood and flung my breakfast toast across the room in rage. Roger Moore is definitely the most personable bond, but also clearly the most vain. Oh, my God. I can't have my hairdresser. This toast begun. What is the thing where he basically says he knows who killed Kennedy?

Oh, my God. That is spectacular. Jim Garrison's. About to wrap new ones. has been in New Orleans shoot and he says, Jim Garrison, the District Attorney of New Orleans, who conducted his own investigation into the assassination of Kennedy,

invited me, along with a couple of FBI agents, to his office to view some film. I am not at liberty to disclose what I saw, but it left no doubt in my mind that it was not Oswald who fired the fatal shot. See, at this time we didn't have the benefit of the Oliver Stone film that told us all of this, but...

Yeah. It's good shit. Oh, that is unbelievable. See, James Bond on the hunt who killed Kennedy? Come on. It ties in. Kennedy was a Bond fan.

Well, that's the fucking beauty of the rock. Oh, right. That's the beauty of the rock where you're like, maybe it is James Bond. Yeah. I'll share one last thing with you, then we'll put this book away. Let's see.

Day two of filming. It's my birthday. Happy birthday. He's just writing to himself. Happy birthday, me. Waking up this Saturday morning to the 6 o'clock alarm was a nasty. I limped around the room on my paralyzed leg, trying to do my morning knees-bend working.

I was in such a black mood. I started giving Louisa hell. Louisa is his wife at the time. She wasn't at fault. I suppose I was resenting the fact that my leg was hurting and she hadn't mentioned the fact that it was my birthday. Well, that's fair. I decided I needed my favorite laxative cereal, All-Bran. Room service seemed determined not to understand when I asked for All-Bran. All what? said a deep Southern voice over the telephone. The headwaiter settled settled it with, give him a bowl of corn flakes. Louisa handed me my case, and as I took it by the handle, it fell open, scattering everything. She scooped the things back and I slammed out with, you didn't even remember it was my birthday.

Oh. Oh. And then writing about it and then telling you about it. I have to read this and your copy is pristine. I don't know if it's pristine. But I want to say that it is now yours. No, I can't take that. I just paid $5 on Amazon for...

But you have another? I don't have another. No, we can't. We're going to order our own. You're not going to find your own is the problem. These things, here, if you feel so badly about it, send it back after you read it. Okay, well, I will borrow it to read it and then maybe I'll let you read it. Yeah, I mean, I'm going to take a gander right now.

I read the whole thing. That's really kind of, please enjoy it. That says, I know he's your favorite, and he passed away on your birthday. Oh, and he was mad on his birthday in that book. That's very touching. Yeah, man. Thank you very much. No, no problem.

Oh, that's very nice. Phil Thank you so much for sharing your favorite and least favorite Roger Moore. Thank you for having me.

And just to wrap this up, since you do handle the news for birth movies death, we can very quickly talk about how there's just a absence of news for Bond 25. Yeah. We don't know anything

except maybe they've done some scouting and that are Purvis and Wade back on the job. So there's a tabloid writer in England named Baz Baz Bamigboy, I think, is his name. I'm going to probably get that wrong. It's his fault. But here's the thing.

He is in a rag in England, and he was right with every one of his specter scoops last time. So he said that Purvis and Wade are doing a treatment. So that's fine. Okay. That was a week after they'd said, we don't even know how you do a Bond movie in this post-Trump era. So we'll see what happens. But it's been very quiet. And as I said earlier, I suspect it has something to do with them letting him have the spotlight for his Soderberg.

movie for Logan Lucky. Like if that does well, that could be a supporting nomination for him, which would be kind of cool. But I think they want to sort of let him have that moment before they say anything. I think as you were saying, the silence is probably at this point meaning that he is coming back. Do you think he'll do one or two?

Yeah, I agree. I think it'll be one. You think he's one of done. There was the rumor. You think they're not backing up the Brinks truck with $150 million. I honestly don't think he should do it. Because I felt like he was phoning it in a tiny bit inspector. Yeah. And I'd like... Where do they go?

That is a good question. I think they do the, on Her Majesty's opening where she gets killed. What else can you do? He's married? Fleming-wise, the girl has always gone at the beginning of the next story. Yeah. Like, it's never a big deal. Sometimes there's a line.

I don't think they'll do that, though. If any case moved in with him in books. And it was like, she left. Yeah. I think that that's what they'll do. You really think they'll just off between movies she's gone. It didn't work out. Well, then I think.

if they do that though they'll still really take this character arc through and he'll be depressed as you can even see her i think you could see it could come across very early in the cold open that she has been killed and that he is you don't think they'll do as an on her majesty see they're already pulling them in live and let die costumes i mean come on i mean you know the specter script ended with him telling her we have all the time in the world i didn't know that oh my god why didn't that see it's clearly on their mind come on it was but it got cut so now it's nothing it might And I will remind you, too, that they shot the ending of Honor Her Majesty's Secret Service, but they thought they might use her death for the opening of the next film.

So maybe that's where they're headed with them. That was 50 years ago. I feel like, here's the thing. If they start with killing her, then that sets the tone for another grim Bond movie. And I'd love to see him kind of just shake loose. You're in the same camp here. Again, that was sort of always, that's always been our problem with these Bond movies after the first one that the actor steps into lately, i.e.,

Brosnan and then Craig where you're just like, why you're on your heels so much? But then can they do four movies that are of the same narrative arc and then just do a fifth movie that's like, here we go. It's a one off. Let's talk about how silly the opening credits of Specter R with the villains and you're like, why are we just trying, why are we tying this all in? Yeah, trying to make a Marvel universe. Why are we doing this?

Why are we trying to make a shared universe? that only exists with one character. And I do think that abandoning the thread is sort of in its own way of fine bond tradition. Absolutely. But they're not, like, Blofeld's introduced for one movie and then they just leave him behind.

I think he's going to, I think she's going to die and it's going to be a movie about killing Blowfeld. It's going to be the novel you only live twice. Well, that's, I'm going on record.

I didn't mean to. I didn't know I was going to go this heavy. Well, remember a massive specter trailer breakdown where we were just like, this is Honor Majesty Secret Service again. Yeah. It still may be. I'm doubling down.

But again, point to history where you had three films with Blufeld in a row, and none of them had anything to do with one another. Yeah, that's true. They could just sort of lean away from some of that brother stuff and from the continuity and make one that could be a ticket or leave it standalone. I'd love it. I mean, ideally, that'd be great. Yeah, every time there's going to be news,

We're going to have to check in with Phil and find out what's doing. You good for that, Phil? I am 100% into that. That's a great idea. We're glad to have you. We're glad to be back. We're glad to finally be back in the Aston Martin. Yeah.

I don't know how three of us fit in here. It's a two-seater. It's ridiculous. But, Phil, would you like to plug your website? Would you like to plug? Yeah, I'm showing up on both movies death. As soon as is more Bond 25 news, I'll have more to say about that. But beyond being here, as like exciting as that is for me, I'm excited that you guys are back.

Oh, thanks. Like, I really miss, like, turning out my phone and seeing that there was a new one. It was like a thing. I would check it. It is, it is. I will say that somehow, over the course of us, disappearing, our audience has grown tremendously. Well, it's because we're not doing episodes. You think that's what is?

I know people don't want to hear it. They like it in theory, but they don't like it. So we heard what you said. We acknowledged what you said. And Matt and I said, let's do it. Not only that, but let's do it once a week for a year. Once a week for at least a year. At least a year.

That's right. You're making that claim right now. Well, yeah, we are contractually obliged. So if that gives the listeners some solace. No, we're happy to do it. Let me say, over the next year, you're going to get at least 50 of these. That's right. We'll be covering some of the things people have requested.

We'll probably take a look at the becoming bond documentary, some of the knockoff films. Absolutely. We're going to talk about. Becoming Bonn, we're going to talk about your, in like Flint, so we're going to be talking about your Austin Powers's. We're going to be talking about, oh, I didn't realize you were spinning off. OSS, you've got to do those. Yeah, that video game stuff probably.

Yeah, we've never seen them, but yeah. We are opening it up Kingsman. Everyone's been asking us to touch on the Kingsmen, which I have not seen. Oh, what? I saw it. You know when you're talking about watching Octopus a hundred times? Yeah. I've watched Kingsman 15 years.

Really? Yeah. It's watchable as hell. Someone did the actions. I've seen the action scene in the church. Yeah. And someone cut that with a 70s pop song to be like if the Kingsman was Guardians of the Galaxy. Oh, wow. And it's fantastic.

I don't know about that. I don't know if I should say anything, but there's something in the mail coming for you guys. Oh, Phil, you spoil us. Yes. It's technically contraband, but you're going to want to do at least a segment on it. Should I tell you? Yeah. So do you know about Bond going into public domain in Canada?

Yes. There's a collection of short stories that they had a legal window where they could do them. And one of the writers in that book sent me a copy, and I started reading it. My jaw started falling open. It's either a great argument for or against intellectual property copyright, depending on how much you enjoy the stories. Open sourcing intellectual property. These stories are fucking crazy. And they put them in sort of bonds biographical chronology.

So it starts with him at the boarding school. Oh, my God. It's a double-oh. And it ends with him in a retirement home. And the stories are bond. I'm glad to see he survives. Oh, my God. So I have a friend in Canada who's sneaking me two more copies across the border.

And I'm excited to hear you guys. I can't wait. I can't wait. Very quickly before we go, I'd like to ask everybody's opinion. starting now, of what if it had been Sean Connery and Skyfall and it had been a home for retired agents?

Would that have broken the world for you and destroyed your mind? It would have been worse than making Blofeldt's brother. Yeah, I agree. Oh my God, I forgot that they did that. Yeah. That's Austin Powers.

Yeah, it sure is. That's one of those things where you're like, I blocked that out of my mind. Yeah. I did block that out of my mind. I suspect that when the current regime steps down and the new Wilson Yeah, the young little guy, yeah.

I think he's going to go codename. Like when he's running this thing in 10 years? No, you can't go code name. I'm still hoping they'll do a period piece. You can't go code name. Because you've already got this Daniel Craig through line. It's too hard to start modern timing, and I would love them to just do a 60s piece. I think that's that continuity issue that's going to make them go code name.

Because a period piece will be expensive. Yes, it will be. They never shied away. from that. But here's the thing when you do a period piece, all your fucking product tie-ins. Gone. Really? I mean, I don't know. But, I mean, was Heineken around back then? It was, but it's not the same when they're, when they're showcasing their new bottle and their new, you know, when Asin Martin's like, we can roll this new model. When Ford's like,

here, take this Land Rover, you know, it's not. So it's a lot of idiots to go buy these things. Yeah. But that would be amazing if they would do it, like vintage Ford Mustang, like a man with a golden gun and old Heineken bottle. It would be. It would be very cool, but I think that the way the money is with these movies now, I just think they can't, they can't step away from product Cyan. They cost, they...

If that's the reason they don't do it, that's horrible. They pay down so much of that, the cost of that movie for them. Like, I think, I think I Anakin paid $50 million or something. See, well, then they should get new sponsors like Lucky Strike or, you know, something that you don't get any much, but that's trying to make a comeback or something. Lucky Strike is bad. See us in the New James. bond, Phil.

It's cool again. Bisque. All right. All right, Phil, thank you. It has been a long time coming. We were glad to have you, and it was wonderful to finally meet you. It was a pleasure. Thanks, guys.

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